lore-discussion

[marble pewter]

Even though the mitre is commonly worn by bishops

Marie is a nun

Again, seeing as they’re both open to romance — apart from a game mechanic reason, it indicates that the religion in Warframe is different

Lyon called the religion - Luminary Orthodoxy

[restive river]

I believe both
They were just swaps essentially of the normal damage types lol

[ashen pulsar]

it's dualism

the religion is called dualism

we've learned about it already

[marble pewter]

But he specifically said in a chat - “You wished to know about the Luminary Orthodoxy, did you not? In order to avoid boring you to tears, where would you like to begin?”

[strange turtle]

Luminary Orthodoxy is the sect

[waxen mesa]

are sentients still meat robots or are they something else

[marble pewter]

Ah yea that makes more sense

[ashen pulsar]

the luminaries are sol and lua

the gods

[strange turtle]

They’re mechanical but like. Have you ever seen the word “biomechanical” used in sci-fi? Not the IRL definition but like, machines doing stuff based on normal organic/biological processes

[waxen mesa]

im well aware of the orokin meat towers if thats what you mean

[marble pewter]

did someone’s chat just disappear

lol was confused

[waxen mesa]

but the sentients are that same biomechanical tech the Orokin were fond of?

Did the xenoflora completely make them intelligent or were they already very advanced?

[strange turtle]

No, thats actually biological, thats meat

[waxen mesa]

if the arrow is > that way then you have chats with no new messages set to be hidden

[strange turtle]

The sentients aren’t meat

Anyway

[waxen mesa]

its very easy to accidentally do it

[waxen mesa]

so sentients are like....smart moas? pre xenoflora

[strange turtle]

Theres this one item you can get, can’t find it right now, with this description thats confused between if it should be called a component(?) or organ

[waxen mesa]

or somewhere between robot and cephalon

[strange turtle]

It gives the Sentient Fragments individuality, rather than being part of a hivemind

[strange turtle]

Kinda?

Basically Sentients can make what are called “fragments”, which is what most of the units we see are, and xenoflora gives those fragments individuality.

But they also evidently have normal individuals without the Xenoflora too. Hunhow, Praghasa, Natah, Erra and the Archons etc

[waxen mesa]

i thought the drifter said something about sentients not intended to be sentient

ill have to find the chat. probably amir

[brittle siren]

This guy again 🤦‍♂️

[waxen mesa]

is that the guy who said Whats-his-face could 3d orbital satellites

[brittle siren]

Idk but he did say that Vauban can craft ANYTHING

[waxen mesa]

yeah tthat was him

can't wait for him to claim that Nidus could control the entire infestation

or maybe Caliban could control hunhow

[strange turtle]

They weren’t

They developed it though, as we can see

[lilac aspen]

They were intelligent already

It’s just the xenoflora gave them “free will”, or rather the separate individual selves

Because a majority of the Sentients we fight are merely fragments

Parts of a main sentient

The flora let those fragments go “I am myself.”

[unique talon]

I wonder where Wally teleported him

Besides all Warframes he somehow was the only smartest one who didn't succumb to the infestation Madness

[humble sierra]

I mean technically it's because of him they all have bullet jumping

[unique talon]

And the only one who was able to speak by himself

[dark compass]

He worked out at the library

[ocean geyser]

Im pretty sure Dante offed himself bro

[fast dew]

Nah

[ocean geyser]

Seriously?

[fast dew]

He died by murmur hands iirc

[lilac aspen]

Dante was just him

[loud oriole]

dante just built different, literally

[fast dew]

I mean

[ocean geyser]

I thought the Indifference did some Conjuring shit and took over his mind
And then he killed himself to prevent himself from becoming a tool (or the indifference did it for him)

So did he just “I’m Still Standing” the Murmur till he died?

[unique talon]

We don't know exactly

It's just told that the indifference took him to somewhere

[loud oriole]

void waffle house

[loud oriole]

-# Thus, Dante gave up, allowing himself to succumb to the Book's influence and take his life. However, the Book and the hellish words within did not allow Dante to die, and instead altered the very fabric of who the Warframe was. Transported to stars unknown, that wrong-tongued Voice now murmurs endlessly within his head, longing to be known, to exist, and to survive.

[unique talon]

Kinda strategic from Wally's part taking Dante

Since he was a much powerful frame

[ocean geyser]

I KNEW IT WAS SOME CONJURING SHIT

[balmy marlin]

ive got a lore question that i thought about when i was rewwatching the intro cutscene but who exactly is the girl who delivers the lotuses to the warframes at the start

[ocean geyser]

Us

Mara, DE’s stand-in for the Tenno, collectively

[loud oriole]

Jonita 'Mara' Warframe.
or Jon Warframe for short

-# source: i made it in my head

[gentle isle]

Wally does call the tenno MARA LOHK a lot

void child

[lilac aspen]

Jolyn Warframe

[marble pewter]

Lyon has one line too now that I think about it

Although he says Void demon instead of Mara Lohk

"Greetings and salutations, Void demon."

[strange plinth]

wally n the cavia call us 'mara lohk'
still seems odd to me that either of them would call us 'void demon,' that's the helminth's name for us
'void child' seems more likely imo

[brittle siren]

||so does we know where Lyon came from just base on this "language" from his mother?||

[lilac aspen]

H m

For starters let me begin with
Holy shite poor Lyon

[lean garden]

lol france

[stiff beacon]

Its French

[lean garden]

or gaule as they call france in warframe

[brittle siren]

oh still french, thanks for the info

[fast dew]

||devil! sorcerer!||

[brittle siren]

DE make npc has PTSD never gets old

[glacial pendant]

I find it funny that bathrooms in Höllvania are gendered as Sol and Lua but these gods are reverse gendered in La Cathedrale

[frail harness]

Stalker is a warframe, right?

[loud oriole]

yes, technically a variation of Excalibur but unique in helmet and being able to vocalise single words instead of roars and screams

[frail harness]

How does he get past the infested madness if he has no tenno?

[strange plinth]

same way umbra, kullervo, jade do
they have something to focus on
in stalker's case, his hate for the tenno is the primary thing

[lean garden]

and his family too

in fact, Id argue theyre one and the same

[strange plinth]

at first, its his family, then he forgets them, then remembers during jade shadows
the whole gap between there is just the hatred afaik

[frail harness]

But isnt the infested madness a concern for the protoframes in the long run? They have something to focus on too with the whole indifference thing

[silk atlas]

Realistically him looking like Excal (and the other Acolytes having similar grafted head designs) is just him being from old old WF when they weren't skilled enough to cook hard with the designs

[lean garden]

Id say the hatred is an offshoot of the family thing

[loud oriole]

yeah i forgot to add that in as a footnote in my message lol

[normal mountain]

I'd say he's closer to Ash than Excalibur, ability wise
But yeah

[brittle siren]

Actually, Marie said Sol and Lua can both be male and female in different interpretations

[glacial pendant]

Yeah that's why the bathrooms being labeled as sun and moon is funny

[spice wedge]

He was once a human, now all what is left of him is a warframe after radiation destroyed them completely.
They are now eternally a warframe a human soul inside a machine.

[golden raptor]

was the zariman part during the hex finale all in le head or were we like actually transported to the zariman from hollvania and we can influence events in 1999 from the zariman?

[spice wedge]

Uhm we were actually part transported.

[strange plinth]

we did get abducted by wally in the original quest
we're just kinda walking back through and being able to help rather than just watching

[spice wedge]

But with something called concentration with connecting them.

[restive river]

1. Warframes are still people
2. I think you’re mixing him up with the protos

[spice wedge]

2. Ducky you mentioned proto.
3. Yes they are but radiation sealed them inside warframes.

[restive river]

I think you’re mixing up a lot of lore-

[strange plinth]

the radiation from the interactive was in one location and sealed tenno inside their frames
stalker is just a warframe, no tenno attached

[restive river]

It was also a rare anomaly

[spice wedge]

He was once a human.

[restive river]

All frames were and kinda are

[spice wedge]

But still whst hapenned to him and jade.

[restive river]

They got helminthed for having a baby

[golden raptor]

did teshin die and resurrect in duviri or did he just tank void exposure and the fall damage from landing in duviri

[restive river]

Still human, just infested

[spice wedge]

I wonder why they didn't show us the scene of who they were once.

[strange plinth]

we saw silhouettes

[restive river]

No he didn’t die, he would have but Mathila nursed him back to health

[fast dew]

Artistic licence

Or whatever

[restive river]

They don’t need to always show everything tbf

Closest we really ever get to see a warframe’s original face is Umbra and Flare/Temple

[spice wedge]

Ah yes when Ballas did something to his mind.

[golden raptor]

does the drifter have his own origin system? or is his origin system the same as the operators now?

[fast dew]

Its.

They didnt exactly but there would be one if the drifter actually stayed there

I think

[spice wedge]

The zariman is the only area,where they are actually connected .

[strange plinth]

originally, maybe. but drifter seems to think that whatever is left of their reality came through into duviri
the drifter/operator split happens at the deal, so they were the exact same up until that point

[fast dew]

That timeline is most certainly dead

[spice wedge]

The lotus hands helped him to escape that book.

[restive river]

All Zarimans are one

[restive river]

Yeah I know lol

[strange plinth]

yea its this one specific point that does that
and time travel shenanigans but those are innate

[stiff beacon]

its not that complicated

[restive river]

It can be at the start

[spice wedge]

When he see his adult version of himself.

[restive river]

It also depends on one’s history with these topics

[golden raptor]

so basically anything pre zariman isn't split?

[restive river]

You grow up with sci fi concepts and get really into how they work and you’ll get it easier

[restive river]

Technically no, no split

The split occurred with the deal with Wally

[spice wedge]

So how much years it took drifter to get archon shards, meet hunhow and to stop Ballas.

[restive river]

If it helps just think of the Zariman as the same as the Operator and Drifter

Same being, different positions in spacetime

It is both plugging the void hole to duviri and the void and is within it, plugging the other end

[golden raptor]

so the deal was for everyone to get saved except for the drifter? or was the deal about the operator being given powers? or both?

[restive river]

It is both versions of the same ship both were stranded on for a period of time

[strange plinth]

tbh its anywhere between a few months and a few years
none of the npcs visibly age or anything, including the ventkids
granted, lifespans are Weird™

[restive river]

Both
He saved all of us and didn’t save us at the same time

Split us, specifically in two
One with powers alongside the other tenno
The other without, watching the tenno blast the adults
One got saved
The other lost to the void

[strange plinth]

"I can save them, all of them,"
saving them = giving them powers (and maybe letting them out of the void idk)
operator's deal was all of [the children of the zariman], while drifter's was all of [the rest of the children]

[spice wedge]

His deal was like it gave eternal life for exchange.

[restive river]

What

Drifter got the other kids saved

We don’t know what Wally wants from us yet at all

[golden raptor]

so like... the tenno have their own drifters or is there only one canonical drifter?

[strange plinth]

only the one

[wind ruin]

All the original warframes were. However, most of those we have now are copies of the original and are entirely artificial; metal skeleton, metal skull, cybernetic eyes, infested flesh

[restive river]

Only one!

[snow depot]

I do wonder what he even wants

[brittle siren]

no offense but nice headcanon when JADE SHADOW literally tell his origin

[spice wedge]

True

[restive river]

And? We replicated Umbra and he had all his memories, the anims are remnants of the frame’s personality, we have human cloning
They’re still human, deep down within their minds, or what’s left of them

[golden raptor]

so... when multiple drifters are in the same mission it's just a gameplay thing and not technically (lore) possible?

[restive river]

Yeah just gameplay

[brittle siren]

No idea, but it certainly not related to his finger at all

[golden raptor]

what about multiplayer duviri?

[brittle siren]

gameplay

[spice wedge]

Wait how much of those tenno's in sleeping pods were there, where was 1 tenno only.

[restive river]

Gameplay

[restive river]

Hundreds, probably thousands, but likely not millions

[brittle siren]

base on Roathe saying, hundreds? I may be wrong

[wind ruin]

That's getting into what the Helminth does with the personalities and memories, the people, who were the original warframes. It's, um. Yeah, loads of spoilers there, a lot of which is clarified with Lyon's conversations.

[restive river]

We rarely get exact numbers lol

[spice wedge]

And how much of tenno's left to live.

[brittle siren]

we dont know

Rell is the only one confirmed dead, among some during Old Peace (hence the Vanguard)

[restive river]

I mean it’s not all Helminth
Flare and Mirage come to mind, those remnants are still a part of who they were when they were human

Heck the frames used to be sapient, Dante was very intelligent

[tawny night]

what happens when you get all the protos to play Fables and Frontiers?

[restive river]

To say they aren’t human isn’t really accurate

[brittle siren]

Yareli, Kullervo, Umbra too etc

[golden raptor]

did the main quest story (operator's side) happen to all of us or was it just telling the story of one specific chosen operator?

[brittle siren]

most gameplay aspect before Zariman quest is canon

[wind ruin]

Fine, no longer biologically human. Does that satisfy? And we don't need to 'infest' more people to make the warframes in the orbiter.

[restive river]

We are all the chosen operator in our own playthroughs, to me you are a random tenno and I am the chosen, to you it is the reverse
Gameplay > story

[restive river]

I’d argue biologically altered but sure lol
It is getting to semantics so this is where we can end it

[brittle siren]

since Whisper in the Wall, none of the gameplay matter to the lore anymore (I'm still confused why Jade Eximus even in 1999. Old Peace does not so DE just add this in to make us suffer)

[restive river]

The foundry is very powerful

Umbra shows us how human the frames still can be even when fabricated, he is a more extreme case ofc but it’s an extreme way to get the idea across

[restive river]

Gargoyle’s cry made sense iirc
And we can just say Albrecht hooked up Scaldra tbh, the tech would be lost anyway in time

[spice wedge]

Yea but transferred to warframe has and alot of side effects, which they became infected.

[restive river]

I would love a quest that involved the wider tenno

[restive river]

What?

[brittle siren]

true but like Jade Shadow is much after he went to 1999 so

[spice wedge]

Maybe TAU

[golden raptor]

What even are eximus units? like are they void touched individuals or what

[brittle siren]

other Eximus make sense because we saw some Grineer have eximus power during Old Peace

[restive river]

?
Jade Eximus could exist prior to that, like during the Orokin era

[spice wedge]

They got hitted by jade light as punishment.

[restive river]

Quite literally they are “built different”

[brittle siren]

yeah but then Old Peace contradict that though, since none Jade eximus exist there

[restive river]

Does it?

[brittle siren]

you could replay over and over again, no trace of Jade eximus on Tau

[strange plinth]

grineer and corpus, special equipment
infested, mutations
corrupted are made up of the other three
the rest don't have exact explanations

[restive river]

Oh fr?

I could still see the jade light eximus in 1999 being Albrecht’s doing

Also the anarchs not having jade light tech makes sense

[brittle siren]

you could check codex on the enemy too, only the old eximus existed

[restive river]

What’s lacking for scaldra is any confirmation as to how they have it

[spice wedge]

And they said how infection came from the 1999

[strange plinth]

yea no jade eximus in the memories
which is odd, because them being malleable is part of the gameplay of us replaying it, so the jade eximus could leak in too

[brittle siren]

I think Jade eximus in 1999 is just gameplay purpose

other eximus sure

[brittle siren]

not really since Nikoth is the one behind Arnach

and a lot Grineer + Dax was on her side

the only thing that make sense though is Techrot since they could just take the info from future

[golden raptor]

did all tenno go through tauron academy? or was it just the chosen tenno?

[brittle siren]

I think a lot of them go to Tauron

[strange plinth]

i mean, we don't see any other students

[brittle siren]

because they are dead

[spice wedge]

Because oroking golden masters all 7 of them sended to a battlefield to die.
Plus getting sentients and grineers to fight against each other against tenno's

[golden raptor]

if there's only one drifter, why did they make la cathedrale and hollvania mall a player hub 🤔

[strange plinth]

no proper reason not to. people hang out there sometimes
the cathedral is also directly part of the sanctum, so you can't really cut it off

[restive river]

If she gave them jade light weapons it’d be fairly obvious an orokin was backing them

[restive river]

Fun

[ocean geyser]

Laughs in funny alternate timelines
Like seriously, that’s the canonical reason for crossplay

Therefore
My drifter
And your drifter
Can exist in the same game

[restive river]

I don’t think that really applies here

There’s only one Drifter and that’s the Drifter of the Chosen Operator who is, collectively “us”

[ocean geyser]

Their argument is essentially “there’s only one drifter so you should never see the drifters of other players”

[restive river]

And yet Duviri has them
Sometimes it’s just gameplay

[ocean geyser]

Or at least wondering why we can

[restive river]

They try to fit gameplay into the lore but it doesn’t always happen

[strange plinth]

lore-wise, that is correct. there is only one drifter
but in the same way that we are all the chosen operator, we all have a drifter

[restive river]

There is one Drifter and that’s your Drifter
Or mine
Depending on perspective

[golden raptor]

the other tenno is probably confused why there is a grown ass person using void powers same as them lol

"nah they just graduated late, 's all"

[main crane]

There are many nodes in the Old Peace quest. Probably some other Tenno are sent to other nodes while our Operator is in another node. Just my theory.

[runic jungle]

Because of eternalism and the duviri paradox, there is a drifter who chose to stay and a drifter who chose to leave and go into the origin system. Y’all think that drifter that chose to stay will ever show up? I think it could be an interesting concept. Maybe our current drifter gets hurt or something happens to them so we have to go to a duviri, another duviri, and try to convince the monarch, who is the “other” drifter, to help us.

[woven coyote]

Not really how that works

Eternalism isn't just marvel and dc writing (garbage multiverse)

[runic jungle]

Ah

I was using that logic. Mb

There is only 1 drifter then

The paradox comes from how they arrive in the origin system if they chose to stay at the end of the quest. Oof

[hollow trench]

I showed you my paradox pls respond

[runic jungle]

Lmfaoo

[woven coyote]

As others far more competent at this than I put it, it's theoretically accessible

Also since drifter stuff happens in the void i kinda don't see any split timeliness emerging there

It's sorta outside time if i understand it right

[runic jungle]

Please drifter, I need this. My mother is being controlled by her ex. I live in the origin system and I wanna help her out.

[runic jungle]

The void is weird, the drifter doesn’t age even though they are like thousands of years old. They are stuck in their adult years

Same with the operator

[woven coyote]

That's explained in kim chats as being because of the loops

[runic jungle]

Except the operator is stuck as a child

[strange plinth]

operator was in cryo, drifter aged until they wanted to leave, then got stuck in the loop

[woven coyote]

Yeah

If tenno couldnt age rell wouldn't have needed to permanently transfer into harrow. But some form of decay happened to rell over all those long years

And he needed a body to continue his vigil

[runic jungle]

I guess that true, rell needed to fuse his mind with harrow. But it could be cause he was holding Wally back. That could have taken a serious toll on his physical body.

[woven coyote]

Then we wouldn't have needed the lua pods

As i understand for the tenno body to be eternal or unaging, i think some other piece of established lore would have to give

[runic jungle]

Yeah as of now, we don’t have anything concrete on that

Maybe some future quest will show the mortality or immortality of the Tenno. I know we can get flung into the void to trap us, like in the new war.

[turbid merlin]

ANyone remember that time Darvo dated a SIster of Parvos?

It was this weird short story they included in the inbox messages you got for the Twitch Prime Rewards they used to hand out. Like the Octavia Iridos set.

https://www.warframe.com/news/prime-gaming-iridos-collection These things.

[jaunty oasis]

Was it a sister of parvos? I thought it was a scammer of some kind.

[placid lion]

Eleanor my beloved

[coral mirage]

Stopping by before going to bed and starting New War tomorrow.
Ballas is SUCH A JERK. He has everything coming to him.

[placid lion]

You're in for a treat

[golden raptor]

what made narmer win the new war if he only incapacitated 1 tenno lol

[tall echo]

We're the one who made the deal

[golden raptor]

so, by being thrown into the void, all tenno lose their power similar to heart of deimos?

[tall echo]

Most likely

[proper barn]

We are the like biggest factor in system stability.

Like we take out leaders and such. Also he "takes us out." During a big defence of the system like I can't imagine that was good for morale. @golden raptor

[golden raptor]

yeah, but i was under the impression, that with how jacked the tenno are in general, (assuming that the "chosen operator" wasn't special) each one of them having their own necramech/railjack/warframe/weapon/amp arsenal, they would completely breach the sentient mothership multiple times over

[proper barn]

why?

in the old war they had a HARD TIME

even after the SOLAR RAIL WAS GONE

[golden raptor]

now that i think about it, why didn't the rhino warframe that had the corinth that kahl picked up just rez? was it only the chosen tenno, by being bound to Adis, that had the ability to revive?

[proper barn]

oh that's because their was

[tall echo]

Wasn't dead

[proper barn]

the like things in

What's called Where you use a necramech

[tall echo]

Orphix

[mystic lynx]

transference?

[proper barn]

yeah orphix things

stop transferance. and they ahve GAINT ONES on the plains.

[golden raptor]

ah right lol

[hollow siren]

I can't remember if Condrixes in the events have those fields or not

[tall echo]

Condrixes, which are essentially supersized orphix. Anti-transference field is referred to as orphix field in the quest

[brittle siren]

Reading this thread makes my brain cells die every damn second

https://x.com/hjemdg/status/2005825088411549952?s=46&t=5XSoAshUqsO-YG_gq2tB3Q

Karo♦ (@Hjemdg)

I think we glossed over this a little when old peace came out, but congrats to warframe for its first alien species!! 🥳🥳

X · Dec 30, 2025, 2:15 AM

Tldr: Some of these guys do not even think Xenoflora is a real alien. Some even said that the Orokin put them there (??????)

[gentle isle]

media literacy is hard

[frail harness]

I mean, they're visibly a bit techno-organic, so I'd buy that they were created by the root sentients

How has Teshin not died of old age by the time New War happens?

[strange turtle]

Very good anti-aging cream

[strange plinth]

iirc he specifically says that he wasn't in stasis or anything so
idk, really good meditation techniques?

[fast dew]

1. The lifespan of a normal human is already longer than most in warframe (see Darvo)
2. Its likely that the orokin augmented the dax (and other servants') lifespans (see Loid, even pre-cryo)

[proper barn]

That's literally not what's said.

They are the only alien life found.

[frail harness]

Yeah but that was said by one Grineer and he's able to be wrong

[proper barn]

No it was said on Stream as a fact.

Also they are called XENOflora.

[frail harness]

I dont really care personally if theyre actual alien life or not but Xeno being in the name doesnt really mean anything because the Orokin can just name it that

[fast dew]

They're alien life lol

Like. Undisputedly

[frail harness]

I do not care, i was just saying the name doesnt prove it lol

[fast dew]

They are that. Just that.

[frail harness]

Truly them being alien life does not matter to me in the slightest and i am neither against or for that idea

[proper barn]

But that's what was said.

[frail harness]

I do not think you read what i said

[proper barn]

If it doesn't matter why respond at all?

[fast dew]

Youre saying that "oh it could be both idc" but its not

[frail harness]

..Because people were trying to correct me?

[fast dew]

Its just not both

[frail harness]

I said 'i wouldnt be surprised' i didnt say theyre made by sentients

[proper barn]

Yes cuz you where wrong.

[fast dew]

Or, rather, either or

Being wrong in the lore chat is gonna get you corrected

[frail harness]

I said id buy it lol i wasnt arguing that they are 100% made by the sentients

Besides i stand by them looking techno-organic regardless of their origins

[fast dew]

But you suggested that they could be, which they're not

[frail harness]

oh no

[proper barn]

Okay arguing and being wrong aren't bad things.

It just felt werid when you said "idc" when pushed against.

[fast dew]

I dont really see the techno-organic part either. The flowers very well could be just. Shiny.

We've seen bugs that look like metal

[frail harness]

I was trying to articulate that i was not arguing their alien-ness and purely meant that the xeno in their name doesnt mean they are 100% aliens

Thus their alien-ness does not matter to me, i dont care about it

Yes they are aliens but them being named Xenoflora isnt what proves that, the stream is

[thick yacht]

You know what

I think I finally understand the Orokin Empire

I understand the glory of the empire, yes

No, but in all seriousness they actually caused humanity to completely stagnate and possibly put it at risk of outright extinction

An immortal aristocracy with no ability or want to change whatsoever pillaging the entire system for their own sake and suppressing millions with no hope of uplift, and on top of that locking all valuable technology behind genetic locks that prevented anyone not of their caste from accessing it or building on it

It’s even worse than the Genetic/Cleonic Dynasty situation

I’m doubting they even really cared about the Empire, more of what they could just pillage from the system and use to fuel their own greed and hubris

To rule should be a burden, not a gift

[brittle siren]

The Sentient never said that they created this, nor it was from accident

[frail harness]

I know

[brittle siren]

and that just the freaking Tau moon

we haven't seen the planet yet

[brittle siren]

though this beg the question

what made the kuva?

ik Void is related but it can't just be void

[hollow siren]

"the planet"

Tau is a whole solar system. That particular moon is called Perita

[dire mountain]

Yeah theres at least one planet and one other terrestrial body

[fast dew]

We know its not Wally, as it existed before he did

[pale cedar]

I don't think DE are gonna give us all of the Syatem from the start and add more locations to the system as time goes on

[brittle siren]

It said Tau Moon here so I assume that Orokin just call that planet Tau too

[fast dew]

We call those planets tau as well

They just have letters next to their name dictating what planet is what

[hollow siren]

yeah "Tau" is just a prefix for celestial names irl

there are tons of Tau systems irl

the one in warframe is likely meant to represent "Tau Ceti"

[brittle siren]

and from this there at least 2 or 3 moons other than Perita

[pale cedar]

Tau Moon could literally just them saying it is a moon in Tau like if we said Solar System Moon: Lua

[hollow siren]

Sol moon: Deimos

[brittle siren]

though irl Tau Ceti is just one star

[brittle siren]

also I just noticed, that the lyrics during this part is different, so Adis could still alive but not on Perita

[hollow siren]

yeah, warframe Tau being two stars is kinda to solve the discrepancy where the one in-game was always described as blue, but Tau Ceti irl is not

[brittle siren]

or we will revive him

[pale cedar]

DE took creative liberties

[wide halo]

I just got into an arguement with someone

and i need confirmation

Xaku, right? Xaku was 3 frames, destroyed, put together and is currently being held together by pure void.

Eidolons have a similar aesthetic - glowing energy tendrils - uncontained energy that leaks and tries to bridge gaps, while xaku's void tendrils are acting as glue, keeping them together

am i wrong?

i'm being told that there's a link between xaku and sentients and that it's hidden lore, and when i bring up revenant, radio silence

[brittle siren]

tbh Xaku is mostly void while Eidolon just a zombie Sentient. Remember 2 shards Lotus?

[wide halo]

yes i recall

they're sentients that are, basically, on their deathbeds

the eidolons on the plains are like severed limbs of the sentient that attacked the unum, soulless fragments

pure instinct

that's my understanding

[brittle siren]

Yeah other than "zombie" concept, they are not really related

[wide halo]

and it's my understanding that the kuva bomb that gara placed in the sentient to kill it kickstarted it's reproduction process, but when it died, the 'children' it produced were...

The Eidolons

walking corpses

or wait, was it stealing kuva?

it was years since i read the entry

[brittle siren]

No, it's not "children", it's just small pieces of the original Sentient that split out and move on their own.

[wide halo]

well yeah, hence the quotes

[brittle siren]

About the bomb though, idk if it specifies that it was made from Kuva. Sure Unum blood is special kuva but isn't throwing a thing that the Sentient wanted to eat a bad thing?

[wide halo]

i used 'children' in the loose sense because normal sentient reproduction is a weird kind of mitosis, the larger one splits from shards that become their own individuals

at least to my understanding

it might have been trying to feast on the kuva, and gara did the thing with the bomb to stop it

[brittle siren]

Also, there is no confirmation that Xaku's body was held by the void tendrils, as those are Xaku's power. Same with Eidolon, their tentacle is just their own body mutated to be like that

[wide halo]

point is it's not sentient energy

[brittle siren]

It is Sentient energy

Again, look at Eidolon Lotus

[wide halo]

in xaku?

[brittle siren]

She literally fueled by pure Sentient power to survive

[brittle siren]

No, Eidolon

[wide halo]

xaku, is what i'm saying, isnt sentient energy

[brittle siren]

No one said that though?

[wide halo]

eidolons leak sentient energy

not saying you did, a clanmate of mine is trying to say that

[brittle siren]

The only Warframe to have that is Caliban

[wide halo]

revenant?

[brittle siren]

Normal is Warframe + Eidolon trait

Prime however is from the void, very likely by Unum

Through conceptual embodiment

[worn crescent]

Odd question, is the indifference/wally higher dimensional? Like I know they’re “unbound by the strings of Khra” if they had all of their fingers but is that like in a Nine sort of way?

[brittle siren]

I mean kinda, also he is currently bound by Khra, not unbound

[worn crescent]

That’s why I said if he had all of his fingers

[brittle siren]

Tbh we don't know, we could only assume that he will be able to do that when the time comes

[worn crescent]

I remembered a conversation that the drifter had that mainly sparked it, it went along the lines of “The indifference is so dangerous because they can look at your entire life like the pages of a story book” and that felt very 4th dimensional like

[wide halo]

thanks for the time, btw

[fast dew]

Wally is tied to a dimension.

[stray herald]

right, since khra is time, the 4th dimension is time

[fast dew]

... hes tied to the void. He's tied to Lohk

The strands of Khra is just the embodiment of timelines

Cmon, loid taught us that

[stray herald]

right, so does that mean he's bound to the concept of eternalism?

[fast dew]

Eternalism isn't directly related to Wally, but wally does seem to have some control over it

Or, the timelines. Think like how a spider has control over webs

[worn crescent]

So he can feel the vibrations of time?

[twin wigeon]

The Strands of Khra "are merely Void-renderings of the chains of cause and effect. Conceptually embodied timelines, if you will" - Loid (Butler)

[fast dew]

-# am I lowkey pretending im Loid for this? Yes, its how I cope

[stray herald]

right, if he can see many diverging paths from the main timeline, he can basically foresee how your story unfolds

[twin wigeon]

and without intervention can have unfavorable realities swallowed up (by my interpretation of: "Soon the Murmur will crawl through the cracks and devour this world and its possibilities" -Alb. Entrati)

[restive river]

I wanna say some newer interpretations say time would be 5th or something?

[worn crescent]

Wait what? I don’t know lore all that well but I do know physics, 3 axis of space, one of time where’s the 5th axis coming from?

[fast dew]

He can feel shit that goes on in certain timelines it seems.

I mean there's the void

[restive river]

I mean it’s theorized there’s like 11 higher dimensions

[fast dew]

Hello void

[restive river]

It’s been a bit so I don’t remember it fully but it’s complex and weird

[worn crescent]

That’s string theory, which from why I remember is considered to not fit within the standard model?

Or for string theory to exist there needs to be 11 dimensions

[fast dew]

And now those are words I do not understand anymore

[restive river]

I may have to brush up but
I do know I’ve seen people talk about higher dimensional shapes recently

In terms of geometry at least it’s still being discussed afaik

[worn crescent]

Wait until you hear about light cones, or virtual particles

[twin wigeon]

I feel like the void is kind of like the intersection of several realities folded ontop each other allowing for access to different realities

[restive river]

It itself is nothing

[fast dew]

Oh i know that sorta stuff, I was super into it as a kid, but I am rusty so I wouldn't put myself in a position where I could be questioned

[twin wigeon]

hence why we can visit duviri and la cathedrale

[restive river]

No space, no time
But in theory, through it, you can access eternalism

[restive river]

xx99 isn’t a different reality

[twin wigeon]

Mb yes you're right

its just a pocket of time

[fast dew]

Euleria would go wild at the possibility

[restive river]

Duviri is within the void and is within that untime and unspace

[fast dew]

Hell. She'd go wild over the concept of time travel. Or duviri as a whole

[restive river]

I don’t believe I’ve gotten it yet but I’m assuming there’s a chat that confirms this?

[restive river]

She
Wrote the book on this-

[fast dew]

No i mean the fact if she did shit right she could actually achieve it. Over just theorising

[twin wigeon]

I believe Roathe's idle chatter in Cathedrale confirms that the void is great with making rooms or smth

[worn crescent]

So it both does and doesn’t exist? Or is it like the fiberglass between dimensions or something?

[stray herald]

the backrooms

[fast dew]

No silly its called seriglass!/j

[worn crescent]

That was a horrid joke

[restive river]

Noone but Wally has accessed eternalism but albrecht did seem to develop time travel through voidtech so

[fast dew]

It was and I am not sorry

[twin wigeon]

backrooms is still a regular room, its just locked to people without a void signature or smth. After all theres a window to the outside

[worn crescent]

How dare you do this to me Thomas the tank engine

[restive river]

I believe that’s referring to the labs, we know xx99 takes place on Earth just in the year xx99

[fast dew]

Jokes on you i love trains

[worn crescent]

Ah so that’s where the level 2 comes from, trains are neat though

[fast dew]

... god im so damn autistic

[restive river]

It is a plane of reality that does exist but is nothing, by itself
Through a sad old man in and now it has energy, the void can create through emotions and concepts
Idk what can do that

[fast dew]

Nah the level 2 is just the government label i have dictating how much support i need.

Basically I need a lot of support but not all the support

[restive river]

I hate ios keyboards so much

[worn crescent]

Oh I legit thought you were making a joke, I was not aware that was an actual thing I am so sorry

[fast dew]

Nah don't be sorry, lotta folk dont know of it

Its often simplified a lot into "high functioning/low functioning" which isn't always accurate and often misses a lot of people

[twin wigeon]

According to the warframe wiki (orokin archives hasn't updated to old peace yet :/) Roathe's chatter in the cathedrale: "One thing I will give that idiotic ingrate Albrecht and his experiments - the Void is terribly useful for finding ways to create endless amounts of, of... rooms. Too bad they doomed us all."

[fast dew]

-# they're working on it the curator was busy

[restive river]

Yes I believe that is about the labs, not the basement of a church in 1899

[twin wigeon]

i will admit it never specifically mentions time but its logical that they're in a time-controlled room allowing them to stay immortal and stave off the infestation

[restive river]

I mean Drifter can loop them

[worn crescent]

Maybe the void isn’t a void and is more chaotic matter? By having strong enough emotions it gives the void something to “crystallize” off of? Just throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks

[restive river]

They don’t adhere to the year like the others though

[twin wigeon]

i don't think the labs are a room, Alb. created infinitely looping rooms to trap the murmur didn't he?

[restive river]

I mean it was literally observed to be nothing, no anything at all until Albrecht, the full conscious being fell in

[restive river]

Roathe says rooms

[twin wigeon]

ok fair

[restive river]

Also I am unsure on Albrecht making them infinite to trap the murmur

But both can be true
Roathe talking about the labs and the rooms being infinite due to the void

[pale cedar]

I feel that's more

Great Indifference being infinite than Labs actually being Infinite

[restive river]

The way Roathe talks about it it sounds like the infinite rooms are purposeful

But 🤷‍♀️

[hazy prism]

It's funny so the Sanctum Anatomica being a maze of endless rooms is canon

[dark compass]

Do you think I can find any book there

Or is it the same shit on repeat

[hazy prism]

I imagine it might have the same books repeating or messages from Wally like the duviri tablets

[ocean geyser]

I remember someone mentioning Loid might’ve gotten lost in there once

[ashen pulsar]

@bitter vine the zariman what an attempt to add sending people to tau. Unfortunately, it failed, leading to wally trying an experiment where he drives all the adults insane and gives the kids void powers. eventually the zariman drifted back into orokin territory and it was discovered that the tenno had void powers.

[bitter vine]

so how could operators memories be at tau if operators memories also showed the zariman

[ashen pulsar]

basically, what happened is from the handshake the operator splits into two people, operator and drifter. Drifter doesn’t get any powers and goes on to create duviri and get stuck there. Operator does get powers and is rediscovered with the rest of the tenno and becomes one, fighting in the old war and then going to tau during the old peace.

[lean garden]

I dont see the disconnect

[bitter vine]

ok

[lean garden]

the Operator didnt reach Tau via the Zariman

they reached there via the rail there

[bitter vine]

ah

ok

[ashen pulsar]

the rail that was built by the sentients who were sent while the zariman was believed to be lost

[pale cedar]

Sentients were sent before the Zariman was believed to be lost

[austere void]

oh is it stated ?

[ashen pulsar]

really?

[pale cedar]

Yeah

Sentients were built then sent
Orokin got impatient
Built the Zariman

[lean garden]

yea, theres no other way there

[lilac aspen]

Sent the Zariman
“Whoops, all Void.”

[lean garden]

yea the sentients started the long way, and then someone got antsy and impatient and so the zariman project was created

and the the zariman project failed LOL and the sentients reached anyways

[lilac aspen]

They tried to do a Minecraft by using the Void as a shortcut

Nether traveling

[austere void]

I thought they somehow went there while being in the zariman

[ashen pulsar]

oop thought it was the other way around

[lean garden]

nah they confirmed the order in an interview

which funny enough, didnt vindicate the "sentients were first" crowd

because while their statement was technically correct, their premise was horridly wrong

likewise for the "zariman first" crowd

where instead the premise was correct, but the statement wrong

[austere void]

btw did the orokin have a way to know the sentients safely arrived on tau ?
ig with the completion of the solar rail 🤔

[lilac aspen]

Considering they are machines of sorts

[pale cedar]

I don't even think the Orokin wanted them to survive the trip

[lilac aspen]

They’d probably get notified or something by the Sentients

[austere void]

and use the void or smth as a mean to justify the "fast" speed of the data between 2 whole solar systems

[pale cedar]

Orokin probably expected them to use the Void which they didn't on the way there

[austere void]

grummar 🧠

also, with Roathe's kim chats, we got a f ton of info about when the old war could have happened, do we think it's accurate, or just him spitting nonsense due to the memory loss ?

Like he says he was alive during old war, which makes sense
and he said he's a few centuries old

[hazy prism]

The old war memories seem mostly intact and accurate, but as we get closer to the old peace/roathe being taken by Entrati, his memories are less trustworthy/more biased ||Until we get them back||

[austere void]

hhhhm interesting

[stiff beacon]

im blaming tuvuul for that

[hazy prism]

Did the sentients gain their sentience/sapience after arriving in Tau (not talking about the xenoflora, just the free will to rebel against the orokin) or did they always have that to a certain degree

Also, did the Sentients know their weakness to the void. not really important but I imagine the Orokin wouldn't tell them that and a random Sentient gets obliterated when they tried using the rail

[stiff beacon]

i just kinda assumed sentients like hunhow adapted intelligence and the ones like itzam huffed xenoflora

[stiff beacon]

considering they're robots and they were made by the orokin decent chance it was preprogrammed knowledge to inflict suffering incase they became self aware

[hazy prism]

That's the vibe I get aswell, like Praghasa, Hunhow, Natah and Erra(not 100% sure with the last 2) were sentient through more natural causes (through adaptation)

[dark compass]

their intelligence developed on its own. But hivemind separation was only achieved with xenoflora

[ocean geyser]

The whole thing was that their super adaptation made them sentient

That’s like
The most standard thing about the sentients lol

[dark compass]

Smelling those flowers made them think outside the box

[hazy prism]

My question was poorly worded, I should have just asked, do we know how intelligent the Sentient were in beginning

But, the general idea I guess is that the adaptations made througout the journey and arrival and Tau lead to their intelligence/sentience, with the individuality for lower tier sentients coming later

[dark compass]

Yeah, Itzam said that their minds have grown on the journey or something like that

[hazy prism]

It's been so long I thought I imagined that, ok good to know I'm not crazy

[dark compass]

No-no

You are crazy

But you indeed did not imagine that

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27443459

[strange turtle]

Correct

Not only do we see him being personally involved in the Zariman logs, but Roathe reveals that it was either his project or a project directly under or supported by him, since he is the one held responsible for the Zariman failure

in the choice of Tormis as expeditionary could be read a collective rebuke to Executor Tuvul for the grotesque mishap of the Zariman Ten Zero.

[wind ruin]

Yes, that's the implication of all the logs and recorded broadcasts being solely from Tuvul.

[north ferry]

God everything is so confusing and unexplained in this game.
But at least while trying to sort it out i realised something else that should be obvious. Even when Natah 'reverts' Ballas makes her wear Margulis' face.

[silk atlas]

I can assure you, a lot of the stuff is explained in different places where DE puts the lore in the game

[silk atlas]

Frankly at this point I've been citing my sources on where the info comes from due to how many different places there are to scrub through.

[brittle siren]

Kinda unrelated to lore but does anyone know when the next dev stream?

[silk atlas]

It isn't even the new year over in the west so no

[strange plinth]

end of jan/feb is likely, but no announcement or anything, no

[brittle siren]

Do you think that before Tau there would be a filler update, kinda like Lotus Eater or New War prologue

Because Tau seems like a very hefty update

Imagine new star chart

[silk atlas]

Doubt, likely just going to be the dossier we saw in the quest.

[brittle siren]

Also, Rebb said that they will be doing a new update for RJ in 2026

[brittle siren]

Eh idk, because it seems like we have the giant planet yet to be discovered

[silk atlas]

wdym giant planet

All of the stuff we did was on Perita

[brittle siren]

The Tau teaser literally showed the giant planet looming over Perita lmao

With Perita’s sibling moons too

[silk atlas]

I just think a whole Star Chart sounds pretty out-there in terms of what DE would be willing to put out, considering their earlier big updates like 1999 and TNW

[dark compass]

I feel like they need to wrap up Wally somehow before doing any sort of big new arc

Like idk let us catch up with the old man

[silk atlas]

That's a given since we're in the "Void War" arc

[brittle siren]

I mean not in the scheme of the current star chart. It could be just this one planet with its moon. Kinda like the 1999 map but with many more nodes

Or maybe just the planet

[silk atlas]

I just think it's far more likely they'd just drop those into the dossier then

They already made it and I doubt they're just gonna let that rot when you can already select missions there

[brittle siren]

Yeah that makes sense more but I love to open a new star chart like RJ's one

[brittle siren]

I mean they can make a big one, then when we choose a moon or the planet, it will show as the dossier UI in the quest

[silk atlas]

Yeah still not seeing it. Just drop it all in the dossier

[brittle siren]

[dark compass]

1999 style mini star chart

I can see it

[humble sierra]

OMG GUYS LOTUS MADE A DEAL WITH WALLY CONFIRMED!!!1!1!1!1!1

[fast dew]

Everyday I regret getting into warframe because of this woman.

[humble sierra]

No chats today, and I'm stuck with this on Roathe-- I've done the fight over 30 times by this point, and I've got all 21 voice memos, including Oblivion, so he's learned that he ||willingly took the serum||.

Do I have no other choice besides resetting?

[dire mountain]

Weird

Im at best friends

[humble sierra]

I'm at close, I physically can't proceed because there's no chats anymore

Not even anything from the others to convince him

[fast dew]

Maybe just run a few rounds of descendia?

[strange turtle]

You don’t like Rebecca?

[humble sierra]

Nothing changes

On descent, he's all like "Come to debase me more, or are you just here to rob my corpse"

Then nothing upon returning

[eager briar]

You’d think parvos would reconsider the sisters program after the 50th one he recruited that week is killed within hours

Maybe a new training manual maybe tighten the restrictions on who can join

[worthy dew]

i think you might be bugged

he talked to me after finishing the 21

[brittle siren]

tbh it only work against other faction, for Tenno it for those that have skill issue

why this convo keep bugging out when I use this option????
this is the 2nd time already

[azure jasper]

You'd think he'd stop sending them against the Tenno at least. Not waste the resources he spent making a Sister what she is

[brittle siren]

I mean better have sth than nothing. If someone invade your house, would you just let them be or at least do sth? Even calling police is an act of doing sth other than nothing

[azure jasper]

If that someone is an Eldritch horror that can wear literal supersoldiers like a suit? I'd move houses.

[brittle siren]

Move where if they would find where you are anyway?

My point is, Parvos (and the Worm Queen) throwing Sister or Kuva Lich at us is to at least delay us, and I think that some Tenno have already failed mission because of these type of enemy in the past (because in reality, some player did fail to kill them)

[azure jasper]

I wonder why Parvos hasn't done more to try to get the Tenno on his side. He wasn't exactly a fan of the Golden Lords either.

[brittle siren]

what he gonna do? Create a warframe?

[azure jasper]

I mean, he's done it before with Protea, but I mean more diplomatic endeavors.

[thick yacht]

He’s Corpus

We are fighting his faction

[strange plinth]

i mean, he commissioned it from ballas
the most diplomatic he's been with us was at the end of deadlock protocol, otherwise we're messing with his plans or not of concern

[lilac aspen]

He has tried to
His mail he sends after the quest has him outright asking “What do you desire?”

Obviously though we aren’t going to befriend him because he’s just as dangerous as every enemy faction still

Sure he’s more diplomatic but he’s also very ambitious in his goals

The head Rich lazy Corpus members were already a problem

Now there’s a Rich Ambitious Corpus guy with a brain too.

[azure jasper]

I miss those old events where you took a side in internal conflicts with Corpus, or where you could help Alad V or Tyl Regor. It would be interesting to have those again, but throwing Parvos in.

[lilac aspen]

Imagine
Alad V mail

“Tenno, I need help, again.”

[strange plinth]

ah ofc, that's what alad's been up to since the new war
the corpus civil war
DE please i want to participate in, or at least watch, the infighting

[azure jasper]

And woth Undermind we find out that Nef literally went underground. Or tried to anyway.

[oak wedge]

I want to join Parvos

The only thing “bad” about him is he doesn’t like Tenno
And for good reason
They mess up his business

We kill his adoptive sisters
Steal his stuff
And destroy his ships, robots, data, exc

And no, he isn’t bad for trying to use the Jade Light
If you think he’s bad for doing that, then The Tenno are way worse

[brittle siren]

what

you mean re-create Jade?

[oak wedge]

Well yes and no

[brittle siren]

then what do you mean "worse"?

[oak wedge]

The Tenno (Operator) use Umbra as a weapon

[brittle siren]

uh

because Umbra let us?

lmao??

[oak wedge]

To be fair, we used Transference to help him

[brittle siren]

and?

[strange plinth]

that whole quest is about helping him heal, and then him allowing us in

[oak wedge]

Yeah

[brittle siren]

he could just jump on us anytime he wanted, even Arthur can do that

[oak wedge]

Fair

Alright what about crafting other Warframes

[brittle siren]

and for Jade, she does not dislike being controlled, in fact, if she still alive, she would help assist the Tenno

[brittle siren]

the same thing, but most have their mind numb anyway

[oak wedge]

Yeah fair
But I don’t think Parvos would use Jade herself

[strange plinth]

that's. what he's doing?

he's harvesting her essence for the jade eximus project, we make a replica

[oak wedge]

He’s using the essence Jade left behind which in spirit, is Jade, but isn’t really her

[brittle siren]

He did try to capture Orion/Sirius too

[oak wedge]

Most likely for information

[brittle siren]

ah yes, sure, let capture a newborn baby for "information"

[oak wedge]

Tudhruns

Oops

He probably didn’t know it was a baby

[oak wedge]

That was me misreading your message

[brittle siren]

If he know that was a warframe baby, he would try to see what he can do to produce more baby warframe

that even worse

[oak wedge]

Parvos realistically wouldn’t know about Jade’s situation or Orion/Sirius

Knowing Parvos and his lore, he’s pretty family oriented
I doubt he’d try to make a bunch of Baby Frames

[brittle siren]

ehhhhh

[strange plinth]

at the start, no, the corpus were just figuring out what stalker was up to
botb, dialogue, however-

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cummins-gif-12535975135255283466

[oak wedge]

What?

[fast dew]

Join parvos.

join Parvos.

Do you have any idea how catastrophically bad that would be

[dark compass]

Eat Parvos

[oak wedge]

To be fair, I’d prefer Parvos over most of the other faction leaders

[strange plinth]

in botb dialogue, he's absolutely been given a debrief. he knows who jade is and what happened to her

Parvos Granum: "Cephalon, I know who you are – well, were. Do you think you are helping Jade? Preserving her honour. Her dignity? The Orokin used her, like they used you. A pantomime of justice and truth. She could have been a force of something greater. She still can. As a weapon of my righteous desire. The free hand of the market made freer, one smouldering beam of Jade Light after another."

Parvos Granum: "Jade fulfilled her purpose. She provided an heir. In doing so, she died. What further closure can your actions possibly bring her? It is sentimentality, and as such, weakness."

[brittle siren]

Even Lotus and Loid?

[fast dew]

Id rather stay with the lotus and loid

[brittle siren]

even Arthur?

[oak wedge]

Those are the exceptions

[brittle siren]

no taking back your word

[fast dew]

The dynamic Boob window duo, lotus and loid

[oak wedge]

I’m said most
I’m not taking it back

[brittle siren]

you choose Parvos, stick with him

oh lmao Thomas still block me

[oak wedge]

Real lol

[brittle siren]

still, I like Parvos ideal but not his ways

[strange plinth]

sidenote i still hate that the botb dialogue isn't in the regular mission, i crave the banter

[fast dew]

And Margulis but I don't count her

[brittle siren]

will it make Corpus better? absolutely
will it make more ppl suffer? maybe?
will it benefit and fix all the old problem? Idk

[strange plinth]

eh, lotus got it from margulis
they're the same in that aspect

[oak wedge]

He’s doing a better job at having morals and having his ideals at the same time than most are

[brittle siren]

she has been trick by Ballas most of the time so she is fine

[azure jasper]

Parvos is the best the Corpus have to offer. Alad is...Alad and Nef is an idle coward.

[brittle siren]

well the Queen is stupid, Infested is always bad unless it is Helminth and Wally is an eldritch being, so I do understand your choice

[fast dew]

Parvos is the same?

Thats like

A whole thing

[strange plinth]

parvos probably likes alad more than any of the other board members, they're the most alike

[brittle siren]

he not a coward, he know when to retreat, and it's not a bad thing

[fast dew]

Parvos mocks Nef for his actions but are literally doing the exact same thing

[brittle siren]

uh

[oak wedge]

He is NOT using debt slavery

[brittle siren]

he literally do everything himself lmao

forgot that Thomas block me

why I even bother reply to him

[dark compass]

What happened

[oak wedge]

Parvos talk

[dark compass]

:(

[brittle siren]

I think some argument make him block me

[oak wedge]

If I had to choose a faction leader and I can’t choose Loid, or The Lotus, it’s Parvos

[brittle siren]

but as a male human under Parvos rules, you kinda forever destined to be a goon

because he like woman surrounding him more

to become his "Sister"

[fast dew]

Doesnt fight us and relies on a warframe, doesnt do his own work, benefits from others, relies on people to give the money to him (iirc this is in his tenets), he's a loan shark which relies on debt to function, steals shit but never goes there physically (such as his attacks on the entrati labs, not drusus' museum)

[oak wedge]

One problem
My Operator is Female

[brittle siren]

that the only downside

[fast dew]

His sisters are fighting for him, not him fighting with them

[brittle siren]

cool, welcome to the team - Parvos did not said that

[brittle siren]

he is OLD, what do you want him to do

[oak wedge]

My drifter may be Male but he’s always gonna be in 1999, Duviri, or in Loid’s firm grasp

[dark compass]

People talk about how Parvos is all "fair game", when it means that he'll use all his accessible power to curb stomp people because he is not exempt from any opportunity

[brittle siren]

and beside, he create Specter, weapons for Sister to fight on his stead

[oak wedge]

My Drifter is going to be Loid’s (adoptive) son

[brittle siren]

he more a brain person than a brawn

[fast dew]

That uh. Doesnt really matter. The shit in the entrati labs are also before all this. And he still did it. He did it during the orokin empire era

And loid specifically states it was Parvos's men. Not parvos.

Reminder that loid has killed people before actually

[dark compass]

Yeah he shot me once I can confirm

[oak wedge]

Loid was preserved
Parvos wasn’t

[brittle siren]

again, staying hidden is not coward, you also need to account that he almost dead because of the board members

he is being extra careful

[oak wedge]

And us destroying his Protea

[brittle siren]

if he die, Corpus is as much as dead (that what he think)

[fast dew]

Ehh. Loid doesnt exactly see the drifter like that. He kinda just. Sees drifter as an adult.
The operator however

[thick yacht]

Loid has combat experience but only a few characters have war experience iirc

[fast dew]

Who. Reverses time. And... makes it so she's. Not dead.

[thick yacht]

Arthur, Quincy, Operator, Roathe, and probably a few others I’m missing

[brittle siren]

i think Parvos have but now the kinda fragile to do that

[oak wedge]

I know
But my Drifter high key needs a dad

[thick yacht]

They all fought directly in a war

[brittle siren]

Loid is still pretty young

[fast dew]

Loid isn't young lmfao

[oak wedge]

She can’t help Parvos

[fast dew]

He is at a minimum of 60 years of age

A minimum.

[brittle siren]

he not exactly old, did you look at his skin?

[azure jasper]

Well, Drifter has war experience now...

[oak wedge]

Loid is still in his 20s/30s due to cryostats

[fast dew]

He is. At a minimum. In his 60s. Precryo.

[brittle siren]

it smooth like a doll

[strange plinth]

look at darvo, he's like 116 or something
"almost 105" according to Ties That Bind

[fast dew]

This is precryo math.

[oak wedge]

He is still in his 20s/30s health wise while Parvos didn’t have access to the things he had

[azure jasper]

But yeah, maybe Varzia, too, since she fought in the Old War.

[brittle siren]

uh then Loid is already hundreds of year old by the time he awake lmao, since he went to sleep during Old War

[fast dew]

He was around for Euleria's childhood, so thats around 20 years, he was around for the grandchildren's childhood, so thats another 20 years, and he was, at a minimum, 20 when he started working.

So, minimum 60 years. Ignoring that he reportedly served for "more than a lifetime"

[thick yacht]

Varzia yeah

[oak wedge]

Remember, Loid was working with Albrecht, who was Orokin for a time
Parvos only had some of the Orokin’s benefits due to him probably buying most of it

[brittle siren]

did anywhere say that he 20 when Euleria was a child? or is he even there during her childhood?

[azure jasper]

Also, did Loid ever do Continuity? We can surmise Albrecht did from the Sanctum recordings.

[fast dew]

... ||thats a minimum. And given that loid was dressing her, id say he was around for her childhood||

[oak wedge]

That’s a dumb question
Look at Loid

[fast dew]

No. He didnt.

[brittle siren]

I mean that a butler job, she does not need to be a child for him to do that

[fast dew]

That doesnt mean anything though?

[thick yacht]

To be fair, royalty are dressed all the time

[brittle siren]

and he is the only one that serve the family too

but when did he join Entrati family is unknown

[oak wedge]

A: it’s Unconfirmed that he used continuity
B: he visually has the skin of a newborn

[fast dew]

||... an adult does not need to be dressed. Note that he also taught her about complex things in ways a child could understand. A child.||

[brittle siren]

again, he could help her during Albrecht absent

not specfically have to be during her childhood

[oak wedge]

Loid most likely used Continuity to keep himself healthy

[strange plinth]

how would loid have gotten access to continuity
he's not orokin, and albrecht certainly would've been punished for letting him do so

[oak wedge]

If he got caught

[fast dew]

Ehh. The rank of orokin Albrecht was in was low. like. Either he is an Archimedian with that title covered by being an orokin, or he was genuinely so low on the rank of orokin he got assigned a person who is supposed to serve an Archimedian.

[winged flume]

Doubt, I don't think he's that vain.

[oak wedge]

Albrecht is like a slippery snake in grass

[strange plinth]

there's a whole ritual done in lua to ensure it works correctly, i don't think that's done secretly

[oak wedge]

Fair
Albrecht could’ve paid people off considering he was most likely rich due to his inventions

[thick yacht]

Maybe

[brittle siren]

knowing albrecht, he could have done it, I mean there is a mirror that the exact same one in the Yuvan room

[oak wedge]

Yeah

[fast dew]

And Albrecht might’ve had Ballas favor from something but continuity is a no go

[thick yacht]

Also find it interesting how Roathe is possibly the highest ranking Orokin alive now

Nihil is confirmed not to be an executor

[fast dew]

Remember, non orokin cant even look at kuva

[oak wedge]

There were most likely exceptions

[fast dew]

There absolutely wasn't

[stray herald]

son of the entrati family said loid used to carry him on his back, wtf

[fast dew]

Thats what killed Yareli's person. Ballas wanted her body, and he still killed her and turned her into a warframe.

[fast dew]

Yeah. That's been around since son was introduced

[brittle siren]

well yes but we don't know if he join the family before or during the birth of the Son

[oak wedge]

What about that one Naberus story

[strange plinth]

albrecht is in no high position to have an assistant granted access to kuva/continuity
he had his moment of fame when he discovered void travel, and then pretty much disappeared

[fast dew]

when the grandchildren were very little

[fast dew]

Blue kuva?

The... temporary thing?

[oak wedge]

The little girl would’ve needed Red Kuva to make it permanent

[brittle siren]

bluva for now is still unconfirmed

[stray herald]

bluva lol

[strange plinth]

the same little girl who was turned into a yuvan as punishment, and then turned into a warframe for her continued disruption?
i wouldn't be surprised if she could find some kuva, yeah

[oak wedge]

Blue Kuva is basically useless
So it won’t show up at all

[thick yacht]

Which the Seven themselves promptly seized control of judging by the Zariman trip, so they didn’t even let Albrecht have that really.

The Seven wanted the glory for themselves

[brittle siren]

yes, what I mean is your previous point that he dressed the Mother during her childhood, but I can't recall any detail like that

[oak wedge]

Fair

Albrecht could probably pull it off
Knowing him

That’s my point

[fast dew]

Oh. Comes from ||reuniting loid with the family. Apparently. So I've been told||

[fast dew]

Ehh. Not really

After the void incident and his bit of fame, he was seen as insane.

[oak wedge]

If I’m correct
Didn’t Albrecht make multiple Warframes for multiple people?

[brittle siren]

it not impossible, small chance, but still plausible

I mean he saved Kalymos into a void cat

[fast dew]

... no?

[oak wedge]

Quorvex
Dante
Exc

[fast dew]

He designed Qorvex

[fast dew]

Dante wasn't his

[oak wedge]

-# I forgot about that

[strange plinth]

albrecht designed qorvex and (probably) stole helminth to make the protos, but that's about it

[brittle siren]

Dante is only acquainted with Albrecht and Loid, so he could be Ballas design too

[oak wedge]

Didn’t Albrecht give Parvos his Protea? Or am I wrong about that

[thick yacht]

My question is how did he steal Helminth

[fast dew]

Dante is only really associated to the entrati family bcs he died there looking for their secrets.

[thick yacht]

I specifically remember Ballas having a locked Lab on Lua

[oak wedge]

Fair

[brittle siren]

he should make Dante proto smh

[fast dew]

"I have violated the entrati family" doesnt ring out as "given"

[oak wedge]

Fair

[glacial bough]

Ballas is the primary designer of every Warframe unless specified

[fast dew]

Remember, loid had to kill parvos' men for trying to steal Albrecht's shit

[oak wedge]

Yeah true

[brittle siren]

no, Parvos steal Albrecht time tech and use that on Protea made by him and Ballas

[fast dew]

Loid has also killed infested :3

[oak wedge]

Oh
Fair

[fast dew]

Go loid go

[glacial bough]

Qorvex, Revenant, Xaku, and Caliban are the explicit exceptions

[oak wedge]

And most likely Murmur

[brittle siren]

it's funny that the only warframe that has nothing to do with Ballas is Rev Prime

[fast dew]

Absolutely murmur

[thick yacht]

I want to know what Roathe’s kill count is

It’s probably some absurd number ngl

[oak wedge]

Who made Rev Prime

[strange plinth]

we watch him kill the murmur

[oak wedge]

Me too

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/77176186148499456/1435489161602928650/Tumblr_l_1222864187355579.gif

[brittle siren]

you should have said body counts, it would make a funny joke

[fast dew]

Look at him go

[strange plinth]

the unum, based on his prime armor description

[oak wedge]

Yeah

[brittle siren]

Unum (probably)

[oak wedge]

That’s probably very high too

[oak wedge]

Yeah fair

[brittle siren]

but via Conceptual Embodiment

[oak wedge]

That both proves and disproves like 50 theories

[fast dew]

Can the Unum even trigger CE

[winged flume]

Loydinetta.

[oak wedge]

If Conceptual Embodiment can make something real outside of the void, then that explains a lot

[fast dew]

Gayonetta is another term i have seen for him, yes

He is a diva and I love him

[glacial bough]

Rev Prime is eternalism, not CE

[oak wedge]

even better

[brittle siren]

well even Kullervo can

[fast dew]

Reminder that Albrecht wears doc martins

[strange plinth]

rev prime is called a 'fatherless aberration' by ballas in the prime trailer, so he didn't make him
the armor description mentions the unum. "evokes the unum's grace" or something
then there's a fairly unreliable account of someone asking one of the story leads where rev prime came from in an airport, and their response included the unum
but the exact method isn't mentioned. probably eternalism, because the unum can see those realities anyway

[azure jasper]

I always figured CE was accessing Eternalism to bring an aspect of one reality to another.

[thick yacht]

No one living has a higher kill count than Operator and I’d put money on that

[oak wedge]

Rev Prime existing means that we could have multiple versions of Umbra
(Volt Umbra, Mag Umbra, Any of the ||Prime Vanguard|| , EXC)

[thick yacht]

As in direct kills

[strange plinth]

kullervo's in the void, though

[brittle siren]

eternalism means that Ballas in one of the timeline throw the Warden into Eidolon pool then make him prime, which against the "Unum made Rev"

[brittle siren]

And Unum can use void power to stop time so

[oak wedge]

Roathe’s kill count and body count are probably both very high and probably relate to eachother in some cases

[thick yacht]

🗿

[strange plinth]

is that void power, though?

[thick yacht]

Tbh I don’t think Roathe has slept with that many people

[brittle siren]

she have blue energy iirc

[fast dew]

Void power doesnt necessarily mean she's in the void. Seemingly you need to be in the void to trigger it

[oak wedge]

The Orokin play many games

[thick yacht]

🗿

[fast dew]

Or else we'd be causing CE so often

[strange plinth]

no, he seems to imply that nitokh kept him on a fairly short leash in that regard

[thick yacht]

Fried

[brittle siren]

though Rev Prime is coming out from the void, so he was formed in there

[fast dew]

Physical leash or metaphorical leash because from what ive heard of Nitokh it very well could be both

[oak wedge]

As I said
Body Count and Kill Count probably relate in some cases

[strange plinth]

probably both, yes

[thick yacht]

Well at least he can’t complain because my drifter is doing the same

You will not try and seduce Marie

[brittle siren]

I mean we haven't know what is the connection of Unum and the void yet

[thick yacht]

🗿

[azure jasper]

I wonder what happened to Nitokh

[brittle siren]

but she can see the future and stop time, so she has to have some connection

[glacial bough]

Roathe is explicit about having many relations before

[oak wedge]

That’s the Void for you

[brittle siren]

and we know time power is always related to the void

[fast dew]

Anyways off from.
This topic.

Ik it isn't important but hey. We got confirmation that it is actually a copy of Loid's skull on necraloid. Im pretty sure we just all assumed before this

[thick yacht]

[strange plinth]

it was a fair assumption, but it is cool to know
'my own replicated skull' n all

[brittle siren]

you read it wrong, Drifter said that Necraloid think that skull is his (aka real Loid skull)

[thick yacht]

Necraloid doesn’t know Loid is alive

[brittle siren]

which is wrong as we can see Loid is alive

[thick yacht]

[brittle siren]

this was after whisper

[thick yacht]

I wonder if the Entrati’s infestation can be reversed at all

[dark compass]

If Alad V did it

[glacial bough]

Unlikely

[dark compass]

We can do it too

[fast dew]

.. and then loid interjecting saying "that is a replica of my skull"

[oak wedge]

Possible, but won’t happen

[fast dew]

They also cant continuity out of those bodies.

[brittle siren]

but from what material, Albrecht could not possibly make Loid clone and glassed that one

[fast dew]

:p

[glacial bough]

Comparing Alad to the family is night and day

[brittle siren]

even drifter said it could be polymer

[fast dew]

... we've made replica skulls before

[thick yacht]

I don’t think any of the living Orokin can continuity

[fast dew]

That. Isnt new technology

[brittle siren]

and when is that?

[thick yacht]

Well, maybe Nihil can

And the Grineer queen can

[brittle siren]

Nihil is just data now

[strange plinth]

mutalist vs gray strain, the amount of time they spent infested

[brittle siren]

Helminth best boi, helping us in all time period

[thick yacht]

Also

Ballas could’ve

[oak wedge]

||Multiverses* 1999 isn’t exactly the original universe||

[brittle siren]

i wish we can bring Helminth appearance in 1999 to current time

[thick yacht]

I don’t know why they gave him an Amalgam body when he could’ve did continuity out of his body when we stabbed him

[strange plinth]

yes it is
as is XX99

[thick yacht]

Maybe Erra wanted a laugh

[brittle siren]

1999 IS in the current timeline

in fact, barely any other universe exist anymore due to Wally and Baro shaking hand

[oak wedge]

Fair

[fast dew]

Look up boneclones. Automod won't let me post the link.

[oak wedge]

I still love how they did that

[winged flume]

I missed that lore bit, I was dealing with recording hoarding and stuck in Trek MMO land.

[brittle siren]

the more I know

[fast dew]

Its something that has been happening since 1993

[strange plinth]

just for the '1999 is in the current timeline' evidence

[winged flume]

Is there a way to interact with Evil Baro I missed that point in the game. I aways had a hunch he was shifty when he would spend uncomfortable amounts of time in the Void between resurfaces.

[fast dew]

Nup

Maybe later this year?
-# ew I can say that

[winged flume]

How did you make your text smaller?

[strange plinth]

Evil Baro was just around for 4 weeks, though his voicelines, emails, etc are on the wiki

[winged flume]

Ugh I hate fomo events.

[fast dew]

-#
By putting that in front of the text, w a space between it

[winged flume]

I was in a awkward point in my digital life.

[fast dew]

-# guh

[strange plinth]

didn't really miss much, tbh. he was just Weird for a few weeks

[winged flume]

I still am in an awkward point in my digital lfie.

[fast dew]

Some interesting lines, a glyph and a reskin of stuff

[winged flume]

I hope those things come back an he's different again, I'm so annoyed I missed it. When the Baro cycles were synced between systems I sort of knew there was a lore reason to be seen.

[fast dew]

It probably will for tennocon baro

[fast dew]

Well, yes. Made a deal w wally. Evil baro seemed to be a unforeseen consequence.

[winged flume]

Like I was stuck doing Army bullshit and I missed the Pragasa relay thing.

[fast dew]

Yeah that sucks

Can't wait to watch tennocon again this year. In my bed instead of canada.

[winged flume]

Hopefully I freed up a bit more space on my Deck (I have a video hoarding thing with STO and Warframe as the games are transient and so is life) so I can record the playthrough of The Old Peace and do some stuff in the EVENT and get some stuff tonight/tomorrow.

I also record my first time throughs with some games as Steam Achievements are neat too.

[strange plinth]

most likely, yea
or the eskhatos stuff will get dropped in the naberus shop. one or the other

[fast dew]

Naberus...

[winged flume]

I can see WalBaro being a Naberus thing.

Mirror Baro?

[strange plinth]

evil baro was around for naberus, that was the gimmick

[winged flume]

Bara Ki'Torn.

[fast dew]

Wonder if Loid will get any lines for Naberus. Given he'll be with the family

Will the family yes I can spell

[winged flume]

I left my spelling of lfie because fkarkit. Life is this.

[fast dew]

But yes, outside my autocorrect being my worst enemy and best friend, I do hope we get more Loid content

He's being set up for... something. I can feel it

[winged flume]

Loid is just awesome. He can be cantankerous but he's been through some stuff.

[fast dew]

Cared more for us in the Refractory than the lotus

[dark compass]

When he was introduced chat said Diddy Baro and it was read out loud

[fast dew]

He's gonna be infested is my bet

Hes gonna get infested and shits gonna go down

[dark compass]

https://youtu.be/tdM43ycZCrk

The moment

[winged flume]

"No, god, please no; no. No. Noooooooooo"

[fast dew]

Infested loid is either big flower or he turns himself into a proto to save himself.

Both work.

[winged flume]

Gold Loid, he's still hot, just has metal skin.

[dark compass]

Voidshell Loid

[fast dew]

Proto limbo but its Loid

[dark compass]

Uhhh

[winged flume]

I dig.

[dark compass]

Loimbo

[fast dew]

Remove the hat tho. Long hair and a top hat doesn't always fit.

[winged flume]

It's just we put him back together and he's just Loidbo.

[dark compass]

He will take off his glasses for hat animations

[winged flume]

Loidbo

[fast dew]

No that's actually brilliant

Loid does look suspiciously like limbo prime

[dark compass]

Hmmm

You might be right

[fast dew]

Also, look at Kalymos' jacket in this... concept art? Finalised concept art?

[fast dew]

Its weird right! Its weird and it makes me worry.

[dark compass]

Fancy car

[winged flume]

Alright enough whinging, time to play The Hex The Old War, THE OLD PEACE

I haven't played it yet.

[fast dew]

She's carrying god knows what

[winged flume]

I did The Teacher a few hours ago.

[fast dew]

Go play it! Its fun.

[dark compass]

The serum

[winged flume]

sauce Techrot noodles.

[dark compass]

Missile platforms

[fast dew]

Imagine kalymos as a bingus if you will

[winged flume]

Bingymos.