lore-discussion

[strong viper]

Wasn't it changed from Void angels being manifestations of Zariman passengers?

[restive river]

No

They’ve always been the ghost crew feeding off the finger.

[strong viper]

Oh. I remember a lot was clarified or changed around that time, might have gotten that mixed up.

[stiff beacon]

out of context that is wild sentence

[restive river]

At least in game, idk about concepts outside of it but those don’t matter really as they didn’t make it

[strong viper]

I was one of the people who thought Kira (the angel you kill in the quest) was OP/Drifter's mom.

[restive river]

Like the Zariman 10-0 was the reason Duviri had it’s land, terraforming machines
But that was changed to conceptual embodiment and the Zariman didn’t need terraforming tech as the Zariman eggs were already in Tau

[brittle siren]

Also whose idea was to call Wally The Man in the Wall?

I'm not ready to fight a literal void concrete wall

[restive river]

That is certainly a theory

[strong viper]

Nah, it got cleared up shortly after the Zariman update that it wasn't the case, despite how heavily it leaned into that.

[restive river]

Albrecht called him “that man in the wall” or something along those lines and Rell repeated “The Man in the Wall” later on

[brittle siren]

Then Drifter or OP would react very differently, yet they aren't

[restive river]

Albrecht had the idea
Rell reinforced it further
And now further and further

[strong viper]

I mean right after, they pay respects to a grave.

[restive river]

I think it’s unfortunately unlikely we’ll see our parents

[woven coyote]

No changes no

[brittle siren]

And somehow Wally knows Vinci art to make that form 💀

[restive river]

I’m all for Wally summoning two void angels, revealing them to once be our parents and using that to torment us

[strange plinth]

kind of like a feedback loop,,,

[restive river]

Likely pulled the image from Albrecht’s mind

[restive river]

A fearback loop

[brittle siren]

I am also wondering, why the Wall form has no eyes? What is the thing on his head that has cuts?

[restive river]

Potentially to mirror Albrecht, he too had a weird no eye helmet thingy

[strong viper]

I'm ready for a lot of things that won't happen, like giant void angels fought in archwing mode, 8 player raid mode (removed), and CODA BUBONICO

[restive river]

Or just to be creepy, his eyes are elsewhere

[restive river]

Coda bubonico is the lost likely one there lol

[strong viper]

It annoys me so much because DJ ROM literally has a bubonico arm

[restive river]

I do know DE would likely only bring back raids (updated ofc, ig og raids were awful) if it makes sense

Wally makes sense lol

[strange plinth]

its right there let me rip it off of 'im

[restive river]

I think the Coda weapons are the only ones not tied to their liches in lore
But also yeah that’s reason enough, we need coda bubonico yesterday

[strong viper]

There were onky two raids back then, and they were pretty easy bosses (both bosses on Eris I think)

[fast dew]

Why does Albrecht have the form of a naked man in his mind when dying? What did DE mean by this/j

[brittle siren]

So what do these gaps represent?

[woven coyote]

Last time they tried to connect more than 4 people for a missions things went sideways, unfortunately

[restive river]

If he held love in his heart when he fell in would wally look like loid?

[strange plinth]

slap a void key on top

[fast dew]

Uhh Albrecht's broken mind

[restive river]

Orphix venom / scarlet spear ):

[fast dew]

I mean wally does, in the... whats the word?

[woven coyote]

Only one of them

[brittle siren]

Then it should be like crack pattern or sth

[fast dew]

When Albrecht gets his ass beat

[thick yacht]

[restive river]

I mean his wall form specifically lol

He obv can appear as anyone

[woven coyote]

One raid was about vay hek and his formorians, the other was about bigger jordas

[restive river]

Anyone who’s interacted with the void ig? Maybe?

[fast dew]

I was trying to do a funny but my brain hasnt caught up

[brittle siren]

I forgot about Scarlet Baro

[strange plinth]

if roathe is correct, he's not very limited
existing in the origin system is practically interacting with it

[brittle siren]

Is he Wally or sth else

[fast dew]

He was something

It wasn't baro. Or. Our baro at least

[strange plinth]

real baro was stuck in the void at that time

[woven coyote]

Punctured space tire or something

[brittle siren]

Yeah ik, but the way he talks isn't Wally either (most of the time)

[turbid merlin]

I want a Prime Trailer where Balas is just pissed off about a frame.

[strange plinth]

rev prime:

[turbid merlin]

Like he's just angry that frame exists.

[stiff beacon]

yareli

[fast dew]

Yareli prime:

[restive river]

Probably doesn’t help everyone uses the rails-

[brittle siren]

Yareli

[strange plinth]

mirage too

[brittle siren]

Mirage too

Lmao

[fast dew]

Almost all of the prime trailers ngl

Bro is just an angry man

I want to hurt him so bad.

He deserved worse than falling into the sun.

[brittle siren]

Hildryn Nidus: Oh my precious one

Revenant: What is this abomination

[woven coyote]

fatherless abomination

[stiff beacon]

man

[brittle siren]

in the wall

[stiff beacon]

i wonder how flabbergasted he will be with styanax if he gets one

[woven coyote]

?

[turbid merlin]

Not really what I was thinking of, but that reminds me that someone needs to show that to Ironmouse.

[brittle siren]

Or he not gonna get any trailer

[ocean geyser]

he literally says rap tap tap

[mystic lynx]

what's Styanax lore again?

[turbid merlin]

I mean, a frame that just causes him to lose his cool.

[ocean geyser]

it was his last thing before he left

[brittle siren]

Well I mean a lot of ppl said that

[woven coyote]

Notably two people haunted by wally

[stiff beacon]

nah hes no. 50 hes getting one trust

[brittle siren]

He save a city somewhere that have a cult which trying to make an abomination of many humans

[strange plinth]

evil baro had a couple lines that seemed more wally than anything else
namely, the requiems in reverse, 'childish bargains with yourself as the fear sets in', 'rap, tap, tap'
evil baro signed his emails off with "Ki'teer" rather than the full "Baro Ki'Teer"

[ocean geyser]

"And into that silence came what comes after. The nothingness that is always watching. Always hungry. Knocking to be let in. Rap. Tap. Tap."

those people always had a wally affiliation so like

[restive river]

He has a leverian and a video where he basically just saves people from a Corpus who’s a wannabe Ballas essentially

[brittle siren]

Yeah but like

He talk like he was also a victim of Wally

[woven coyote]

Still dont get why he would be flabbergasted at styanax prime?

[mystic lynx]

why would ballas be flabergasted at styanax then?

[brittle siren]

That a Corpus? The more I know

[restive river]

I believe so, his aesthetic matches from what I recall

[ocean geyser]

he saw his deluxe skin

[stiff beacon]

i dunno i just think he would at his absolute g ness @mystic lynx

[ocean geyser]

ngl i wonder if Ballas would hate warframe skins

[stiff beacon]

yea

[ocean geyser]

some of them do have lore after all

[restive river]

Some aren’t canon

[stiff beacon]

prob

[ocean geyser]

yeah

[restive river]

Some are
Some are maybes

[brittle siren]

Eh the frame I think that Ballas would react when they have Prime is Jade and Uriel

[ocean geyser]

we can work with the ones that are as the maybes

[brittle siren]

Though Uriel prime exist already

[restive river]

Not prob
Proto excal and nyx (not arthur and eleanor) aswell as the sentient what if skins aren’t and can not be canon

Ballas would hate Yareli deluxe

[ocean geyser]

Ballas when he sees a Heirloom skin:

[woven coyote]

Not necessarily
Roathe mentioned he knew "uriel prime" so it would be before even the incident on perita right?

[stiff beacon]

eternalism mother effer

[brittle siren]

I actually think he invented that skinline

[restive river]

No…

[strange plinth]

theoretically accessible

[restive river]

Sometimes skins are just skins
There isn’t a lore explanation for candy cane scythe and bunny ears

[brittle siren]

Yeah but he would still feeling disgust to a devil frame

[ocean geyser]

where'd he get the jello skin texture from

[restive river]

There’s no reason I have a discord palette or a syandana from a dead streaming platform in universe

[woven coyote]

Or maybe he would talk it up like an honour?

Uriel after all was feared by the sentients to the point they "crucified" him

[strong viper]

What's the lore behind the acolytes of the stalker? Are they just edgy warframes?

[ocean geyser]

imagine how goofy Twitch would be if it survived to the Orokin era

[restive river]

We don’t really have a lot on them

[ocean geyser]

could you imagine Orokin Vtubers??

[restive river]

Bezos would absolutely be an Orokin

He practically already is

Bro is nihil

[ocean geyser]

he'd get the long arm for sure

[brittle siren]

Either someone knows how to remotely control a dead Warframe from afar or rogue Tenno

Tbh it's still my theory so don't see it as fact

[fast dew]

TIL that lunaro had its own trailer????

[strange plinth]

they existed for an operation in which they were trying to hunt down alad v, and he uses the favor he got in TSD so that we'll defend him. the acolytes are killed during the operation. they have no lore since then

[fast dew]

DE really thought lunaro would be a huge thing damn

[main crane]

Probably crazy Warframes like Stalker since they also talk like Stalker.

[restive river]

I think the best theory is they’re just like Stalker, similar punishments and that’s why similar helmets

[ocean geyser]

Lunaro is pretty cool
people just hate Conclave

[restive river]

I’d say sapient over crazy since feral frames are different from what Stalker is

[main crane]

Fair

[ocean geyser]

its just
so small compared the rest of the game

[strange plinth]

i think them being other low guardians is an interesting theory, its a shame that it has no proof

[restive river]

It’s really fun when nobody really knows what they’re doing, at least among friends where it’s very unserious lol

[stiff beacon]

yea shit came out before spectres of the rail

[main crane]

Is Chroma considered a crazy/feral Warframe?

[brittle siren]

I forgot Stalker had Excal body

[restive river]

Best I got is the same helmets lol

[brittle siren]

After mind-controlled by Sentient yes

[ocean geyser]

i think Hunhow was controlling him so sorta?

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cummins-gif-12535975135255283466

[main crane]

Oh. I didn't know that💀.

[fast dew]

Woag...

[restive river]

More so enemy of my enemy is my friend situation

[main crane]

I just assumed he's sapient and crazy

[stiff beacon]

kinda dude be working some sort of adgenda

[restive river]

He is

[ocean geyser]

i mean hunhow wouldn't stop yapping

[brittle siren]

I hope we could take Hunhow to Tau next year

[restive river]

Hunhow at most manipulates him

Not full control

[brittle siren]

Typical boomer

[main crane]

Oh right

[stiff beacon]

the update before warwithin

[thick yacht]

What if the Prime Warframes were initially low guardians

[restive river]

Maybe some but def not all

[ocean geyser]

im imagining Hunhow on a giant hospital bed with a Kuva IV drip and various archon shards in him
although he'll probably refuse to be saved

old man wants to die

[restive river]

Don’t care I’m gettin grandpa out the methane sea

[ocean geyser]

real

[brittle siren]

What if we somehow bring Praghasa back

[woven coyote]

New opration, make a medical submarine to heal grandpa

[ocean geyser]

he might lock in

[restive river]

The real issue with getting him to Tau is having ample shielding for him

[brittle siren]

Imagine using Adis light on Praghasa

[fast dew]

Just use uh...

[restive river]

We could maybe just take a fragment of him or Lotus

[fast dew]

Shieldgating

[restive river]

It does sound like Lotus is coming to Tau too
Uh
Somehow??

I assume we will be using void travel so

[ocean geyser]

main enemies being grineer because they'll try to steal him or whatever
or sentients because his old ass doesn't wanna be saved

[fast dew]

I dont think Albrecht's on tau tbh

[woven coyote]

Better we steal supplies from their labs

[ocean geyser]

trueee

[brittle siren]

I mean Lotus has been inside the Void with Lua for hundreds of years

[fast dew]

Not rn at least

[restive river]

And she was likely void shielded during that time.

[woven coyote]

Well lotus was convinced there was something related to him we needed to find there

[brittle siren]

We could use that tech

[restive river]

She wasn’t on the surface, she was in a single room

[restive river]

Maybe

[brittle siren]

Hunhow is difficult because he very big

[restive river]

Fragment

[woven coyote]

Steal pluto from the corpus
Comandeer the dwarf planet as a planet ship

[brittle siren]

Unless we can use Praghasa remains to go there

[restive river]

Fragment him and boom
Problem would be if the fragment gets some xenoflora, if any still exist

[ocean geyser]

i feel like that;d ruin her even more

[restive river]

Yeah idk if she can “survive” another trip

[ocean geyser]

bro we're disassembling him like legos atp

[fast dew]

Man I like the sound cue sentients have

[ocean geyser]

the beep when they adapt?

[brittle siren]

Though my theory is Albrecht has found a way to go there faster than Solar Rail

[fast dew]

Nah in like. Cinematics, there's like

Awoop woop...

That noise

[woven coyote]

Turns out it's his usual favourite method

Just helminth it

[ocean geyser]

yeah that's what i mean

[woven coyote]

Just unceremoniously spat on tau

[ocean geyser]

high pitched, right?

[brittle siren]

I would imagine Tau has no infested until Albrecht come

[ocean geyser]

infested xenoflora...

[woven coyote]

Oof

[ocean geyser]

if there's any left

[fast dew]

I don't think there's a much better than instantaneous transportation tbh

[brittle siren]

Coda Adis /j

[ocean geyser]

that would be fire actually

[thick yacht]

Albrecht is arguably the most dangerous Orokin alive

[woven coyote]

Depends how long the bateries on those giant eggs last i guess?

[brittle siren]

I mean instant is much better than 30 minutes of void contamination

[fast dew]

Genuinely how? He's one of the few alive in general.

[thick yacht]

He can manipulate time itself

He can change past, present, and future

[fast dew]

....uh. no.

[brittle siren]

He made Coda worse in 1999 is proof

Bring the Man in the Wall everywhere and every time he visited

[thick yacht]

That’s what he did in 1999

[main crane]

Nuh uh

[main crane]

What he did in 1999 is the course of the timeline.

[brittle siren]

Also he not really changing anything, he just prevents Wally eff things up

[delicate hamlet]

who defeated kullevro and imprisoned him again?

[main crane]

In 1997, techrot starts. In 1999, the Hex events happen. In year 2000, nuke explodes, techrot escapes Hollvania. Then the following years, the Radiation Wars happen, then the Orokin Empire begins to rise.

[thick yacht]

He could’ve went back to 1997 and prevented Techrot

Or rather, the Technocyte Virus

But at the same time, he’d have erased all the history up until now

[brittle siren]

Techrot prob existed a long long time ago even before 1997

In another form

[fast dew]

Nah, the nuke doesnt. That's why there's the loop. It contains his shenanigans.

[woven coyote]

Kullervo imprisoned himself in his own guilt

As for who threw him in the void, i could be missremembering but i think it was implied to be ballas

[fast dew]

Where did the coda part come from? Afaik he didnt do anything to the coda.

[thick yacht]

Also, even on new years’ it was still 1999 in New York City

It was only changing time in Europe iirc

[delicate hamlet]

Thanks, now i can draw fanart of kullevro shankin ballas in the knees

[brittle siren]

Or maybe he accidentally fell into there due to extreme emotion

[fast dew]

If he did that, we wouldn't have warframes.

[brittle siren]

His “cure” makes ppl turn into Techrot faster iirc

[restive river]

I don’t think we’re going the same way he did

[brittle siren]

Not Coda

[fast dew]

No? It made them asymptomatic

[thick yacht]

What if Technocyte is just a mutated version of the Cordyceps fungus

[fast dew]

Just carriers instead of active infestation

[delicate hamlet]

Last of frame

[thick yacht]

last of us theme starts playing

[delicate hamlet]

war of us?

[main crane]

The Frames of Us

[thick yacht]

Man TLOU was such a banger

Anyway, back to warframe.

[delicate hamlet]

back to kullevro fan art

[thick yacht]

I do feel like Technocyte/Infestation acruelly does have traits with Cordyceps

It seems to be some sort of biological fungus that gained transmission to human hosts

[fast dew]

I need to draw loid flipping folk off tbh

[main crane]

or a computer virus that began assimilating biological organisms

[thick yacht]

How does a computer virus break outside of the computer though

Just turn the PC off

[delicate hamlet]

make it like a smiling friends hand pov

[lime wind]

should i give broken war potato?

[pallid spoke]

The one you get from the quest already has one installed.

[lime wind]

oh ok

[mystic lynx]

is the french revolution marie is talking about the one in 1789? does that mean la cethdral is either 1799 or 1899?

[strange plinth]

probably
1899 is most likely
||some lyon dialogue that says his grandparents were involved with it, so 2 generations down for 1899||

[wind ruin]

Cardinal Sunday: 1899 ends on a Sunday. Doctor Friday: 1999 ends on a Friday.

[strange plinth]

that as well, yes

[blissful merlin]

Next protoframe group he’ll be doctor Wednesday or something😭

[waxen mesa]

That is if we get a next one

[fast dew]

No, those days both signify the end and start of something

We'd need to find another day that does that

[restive river]

Wednesday is typically treated as the middlepoint day, so maybe that’s something but eeeh

He may just go through variations of sunday and friday

[dry bough]

I don’t know why it never occurred to me that the Executors seem to be the seven deadly sins lmao

[fast dew]

Yeah this is common

OH MY GOD

[strange plinth]

the second most common part is the argument of which executor lines up with which sin that occurs after

[fast dew]

||is scarne Sloth? His plan was to hide and do nothing||

[dry bough]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Ballas is arguably all 7

[dry bough]

Ehhh

Envy is kinda a key point of Ballas’ entire story and leads to his downfall

[fast dew]

Pride is also his downfall

He says lust is his sin

He is greedy as shit

[strange plinth]

hubris n whatnot
i'd say he lines up with envy more than the rest, though

[dry bough]

Two major points

[fast dew]

Mm. Wonder if Tormis could be pride then? Given his appearance he looks like he'd be prideful

And tbf lust is just an orokin sin in general

Freak [derogatory]

[main crane]

Where does Tuvul fall?

[strange plinth]

-# so it begins

[fast dew]

Grey is correct on their prediction

As it always is

As it always was

[strange plinth]

something something we end as we began

[fast dew]

What albert or whatever said

[strange plinth]

i'd probably put tuvul under wrath or pride?
his zariman speeches about how the zariman colonists should be honored about what they're doing, then quickly devolve into 'fine. you want to rebel? i'm taking away your meals. i'm cancelling the project entirely.'

[dry bough]

Most likely wrath imo

[fast dew]

Mm. What about Avantus?

God she's pretty

[strange plinth]

avantus was mildly racist and then died idk /s

[fast dew]

Well, she must be worse than ballad somehow

[strange plinth]

lmfao her wiki page is empty

[fast dew]

Ballad.

Ballas is a song now

[strange plinth]

nothing here,,

[fast dew]

DAMN

Not even a image 😭

My girl got done dirty holy hell

[dry bough]

So we’ve got, to my understanding
Ball ass — Envy
Karishh — Gluttony
Scarne — Sloth
Tuvul — Wrath
Nitokh — Lust
Avantus — Greed(??)
Tormis — Pride(??)

[fast dew]

Once we learn more about the new executors we can say definitively

[dry bough]

The only definitive thing I can say is I should’ve let that goddamn palanquin burn

I just think it’s hilarious that Karishh needed an entire damn vehicle just to move himself because he was such a lardass

[wind ruin]

Look at Tormis' statue. Definitely Pride.
Now, which Orokin Virtue goes with which Executor?

[wind ruin]

So, if the Palanquin takes too much damage, Ballas lets the Tenno know ever so politely that he's allowed to take over the Tenno's body with Continuity in case of being fatally wounded.

[swift sentinel]

That's the palaquin's Cephalon, not Ballas

[thick yacht]

Are the Orokin capable of terraforming

They have to be, since Venus is cold

[twin wigeon]

they are

after all they created the sentients

[thick yacht]

So is Mars still a barren red rock

Why*

[twin wigeon]

mars is barren because its not worth it ig idk

[thick yacht]

But Mars is easier to terraform than Venus

🗿

[twin wigeon]

venus just needs to cool down

its also the closest to earth

[thick yacht]

Venus also needs a thinner atmosphere

Like, FAR thinner

[mystic lynx]

there are already civilization on mars so idt terraforming is needed much

unlike venus which is unhabitable otherwise

[thick yacht]

As if the Orokin cared about other civilizations

[twin wigeon]

the terraforming of Venus happened much earlier in orokin society during the Lith era i believe

[mystic lynx]

no i mean it doesnt need terraforming to make a civilization there

it can just stay as a big red rock and sustain life regardless

[thick yacht]

And you’d think they try to do the same to the moon

The moon is legit a barren dead rock

[mystic lynx]

they kinda did?

well they just make a big building there

[twin wigeon]

the moon was shattered because they terraformed and strip mined it

[thick yacht]

They built a orbital superstructure on it

[thick yacht]

Thought that was because we pulled it out of the Void

[woven coyote]

With an atmosphere and wildlife

[twin wigeon]

i don't think so

pretty sure it was shattered pre-void veiling

[thick yacht]

If the Orokin really did this to the moon then maybe it was not wrong to say they were actively killing the system

How do you actively mess up this badly

Literally did the Kryptonian method of mining it out until it collapsed into itself

[strange plinth]

there's definitely damage from the moonquakes after it was pulled out of the void
but the orokin did a bunch of damage as well, roathe mentions it when talking to lyon

[humble sierra]

Now imagine that almost system-wide

[thick yacht]

What did he say

I never got that line

[twin wigeon]

they did lots of dmg to the point they had to look to the stars for new living space

[humble sierra]

And the Sentients rebelled because they realized what happened to Sol would happen to Tau

[twin wigeon]

honestly based

except for the part where the sentients wanted to kill everyone, even non-orokin iirc

[thick yacht]

My question is HOW. I know you can mess up and they used gold in everything but you could mine the entire asteroid belt for a million years and still not exhaust all of the gold in the solar system, so what the hell did they do to ravage the planets this badly in a manner of what, ten thousand years?

[strange plinth]

"What's it like knowing that we broke your deity open like an egg and gutted her for riches?"

[thick yacht]

That’s something I would expect from Ballas

[humble sierra]

There's also this line

[thick yacht]

That’s just cruel

[strange plinth]

ah, that's the one i was thinking of. shattered
just found the other first

[humble sierra]

The banter in La Cathedrale is insane

[twin wigeon]

Heretic of Xata everyone, speaking truths like always

[strange plinth]

"(mocking roar?)" is my favorite roathe quote

[humble sierra]

The sass

[thick yacht]

What do you think would be Lyon and Marie’s reaction if they looked at Lua again and saw this

Something tells me they’d hate the Orokin even more

[twin wigeon]

Luminaries?

[humble sierra]

Sol and Lua, I believe

[stiff fable]

Roathe taunts Lyon about it. Lyon tells him it's still not as bad as Roathe's voice.

[tall echo]

omg lyon confirmed only has one eye

there is proof

[limpid frigate]

Since its cannon that Kaya Velasco was able to get out of the time loop, couldn't she have brought the whome hex with her, additional if she couldn't we have use that process and done it?

[tall echo]

they'd have to go back anyways so not much reason to do that

[brittle siren]

My guess is Kaya time travel tech depends on Nova's own abilities too

[limpid frigate]

Lore Nova is a monster

I don't see why they would? They Hex are there in 1999 because of a time loop. The time loop exist because Albrecht went back in time to escape the indifference and then decided to use the time loop itself as a containment for Wally.

But the probelm is that wont work. 1999 is on a loop and thanks to our intervention basically becomes stable void realm. outside the flow of time.

Meaning the original Hex and friends more then likely died by the techrot/nuke without ever having powers.

So whatever we do to the Hex won't affect the actual course of history, and im going to assume we have more then enough power to pull all the hex from the time loop and keep them in the present

[fast dew]

Well uh. The hex got transformed outside 1999. Like. A year or two before it. So they were transformed outside of the loop

[brittle siren]

The nuke is not gonna happen, the loop now only makes the Hex not become full Warframe iirc

[strange plinth]

..except there's multiple things that say that its the actual past that affects the course of history
namely, the hex finale completion description, and the coda existing

[fast dew]

The loop protects the timeline from any weird time altering events. With help from Kaya

[brittle siren]

Though I wonder, would they kill themselves when it started to go bad?

[fast dew]

That was

Sudden 😭

[limpid frigate]

no no, the hex were infected with a Sub-strain of the Helminth virus, their personalities and etc, were ment to stay they were never surpose to full change. Eleanor being the outliner because of her psyhic link

[fast dew]

Flare:

[strange plinth]

the helminth batches they were given were modified to be slow, but they absolutely still fully transform

[fast dew]

They are. Its just modified to be slower.

[limpid frigate]

Still a mental connection thing.

[fast dew]

Not really?

Flare is literally Temple

There was no Temple ever made

Not by ballas

[limpid frigate]

That would mean temple would have been in the universe, before the Orokin even came up with the idea of warfames

[fast dew]

... yes

Is that a shock?

[strange plinth]

chronologically, yes
causally, no

[fast dew]

Flare, with the help of Kaya, escaped 1999 and hibernated in a comet, and came back out to join octavia in the night of the naga drums

[limpid frigate]

Ok look, the Helminth they were all infected with. was by albrecht's design made to prevent full infection by the infestations. thats why its a sub-strain. if you got hit with Ballas' og volt strain you 100% become a volt. but if you get hit by Albrecht's you become an Amir. It was designed to not full infect, because he wasn't sure how it would work with the drifter going back.

The only way they would become 100% infested is if they allowed the infestations to take over.

Flare's fate was decided by us, via the interaction we could have him embrace Lizzy, reject her, or let her take over.

but 2 of the 3 options support that so long as the Proto's resist the Infestations influence, they won't full turn.

1999 existed in the past. once albrecht went back in time to escape wally, and wally then there, that timeline started to exist outside the flow of time.

it was only thanks to the Drifter/operator, that the year was stabilzed into its own pocket dimension.

nothing that happens in that pocket dimension effects the outside flow of events.

Techrot was there before hand, The orokin still escaped earth, and they eventually get to the point of making warframes in the future.

in temple's case. Ballas designed the strain that would become the "Temple" strain but didn't name it Temple.

He never deployed it because it was probably inherently rebellious.

Entrati "borrowed" the strain and took it back to 1999 to give to Flare, thus flare would end up naming the strain after their stage name.

But the Blueprints for the strain exist, we get copy go back to the future, and have ordis cook us up temple

Kaya is probably the only one who can naturally effect the flow of the timeline, because of how the Nova powers work, and she go to the future by latching onto the Drifter's pressence and skipping to the present day.

the others can't and are stuck in 1999, nothing they do with affect the original timeline

[strange plinth]

i direct you to the hex finale's completion description, and the fact that technocyte coda follow you to the future

[limpid frigate]

Thats because of us, we are the link that allows the Coda to come to the future, its probably linked to the cyst we get on our necks, while they are active.

The Coda don't exsit in the furture until we make them a reality

[strange plinth]

correct, because they follow us there from the past
they go dormant at 100% disinfection, then re-emerge (following our Void-saturated DNA that arthur mentions when spawning one) in the current era

and, again,
"The Hex are united and the reactor is safe. History now follows a new course."

[lean garden]

For addition:

[strange plinth]

thanks, wanted to find that but couldn't remember any context around when/where it'd be posted

[lean garden]

lol its always easy for me to find it because...

[strange plinth]

lmao yea that'd make it easy

[brittle siren]

Why I feel like the Infested also want to fight against Wally

[brittle siren]

Though do the Coda and Techrot would want to join with the current era Infested? Because even though they share the same properties, different strain has different purpose

[narrow pendant]

the techrot is more like an ancestor to moden day strains

[brittle siren]

Yeah ik, but they does act own their own sometime

[narrow pendant]

yeah each strain has its own personality and goals

so far we only have seen that the grey strain fears whats under deimos, the infested in general fear the void because they cant consume it

[twin wigeon]

The infested are more scared of Wally and the void in general

Or they would be more scared. After all they call us demons

[limpid frigate]

Thats a given, The infested is Biological and its main directive is survival, Wally is an Entity that do all sorts of things to the Infestation if it wanted to

thus encountering Wally wouldn't be in it's best interest

[gentle flare]

Can someone explain with true facts... Is our Operator - one Tenno on Universe and others just manifestations of eternalism? Or we just don't know about other real and alive Tenno?

[tall echo]

there are other living tenno, and we know this

[pale cedar]

Eternalism isn’t as relevant as you think it is

[tall echo]

completely irrelevant, on a technicality

[gentle flare]

Who, except Rell, we really know as alive Tenno in plot?

[tall echo]

other players

canonically other players are existing tenno

[pale cedar]

You see other Tenno in multiple quests in this game

New War and the Rell comic

[hollow siren]

Not really any other named Tenno if that's what you mean

but we do see lots of other Tenno in the game

[crystal pendant]

if the duviri paradox is the imagination of the drifter and everything else are just a pigment of his imagination, how come teshin was there if the drifter hasn't met teshin yet? i just finished the thrax quest so i am quite intrigued

[pale cedar]

There is

[hollow siren]

I mean in-game

[pale cedar]

Rell isn’t the only named Tenno

And remember they were named in a quest

[crystal pendant]

i think tenno is a title but there are other frames and children alive

[hollow siren]

Tenno refers to the children from the Zariman

[loud oriole]

-# ^Children of the Zariman Ten-Zero

[crystal pendant]

i think there's a quest for that where they show the other children

[pale cedar]

New War

[crystal pendant]

can anyone answer this

[hollow siren]

||Teshin fell into the same Void Gate that we and Natah did. He landed in Duviri's past.||

||He is not from Duviri, he just lives there now||

[pale cedar]

CE is what’s on your mind made real

[hollow siren]

Duviri has had two outsiders visit: The Scholar (aka. Albrecht), and Teshin

[pale cedar]

CE isn’t just things in your imagination staying in your imagination

[drowsy saddle]

And now, Da Mang in Da Wal

[hollow siren]

well Outsiders as in Reality beings, not Void beings

[fast dew]

Wonder if Albrecht liked being in Duviri. I didnt think he did

[gentle flare]

I can't find real fact about Tenno and his unique or not unique nature...

[crystal pendant]

so basically the void made that world real by manipulating the emotions of the drifter?

[hollow siren]

Physically manifested Drifter's memories of the book Tales of Duviri

[crystal pendant]

ahh i see now, i don't know about that book but i’ll see what i can gather

[pale cedar]

Have you done any of your quests?

[hollow siren]

Euleria Entrati (aka. Mother), wrote the storybook "Tales of Duviri", the purpose of which was to teach mainly children to regulate their emotions and minds during Void travel

[hollow siren]

How far into the story are you

[drowsy saddle]

Apparently a copy of Tales of Duviri is in the Entrati library, so there's a few copies floating around aside from the Drifter's doodled on copy

[fast dew]

There's one in Albrecht's netracells

[pale cedar]

It’s a popular book

[fast dew]

(Not normal over him keeping his Daughter's book in his vaults)

[hollow siren]

do you know how books work

[drowsy saddle]

I find it especially funni that Kaithes are just... Real creatures and not a fantasy design for the book

[hollow siren]

there's a copy of the Lord of the Rings trilogy in my shelf rn

[drowsy saddle]

No im an ipad baby

[gentle flare]

I complete all the tasks, but frankly speaking, because of the eternalism, I just lost all meaning...

[hollow siren]

We made a deal with the Man in the Wall, that gave us our Void powers. That's it.

[pale cedar]

This just means you didn’t pay attention to what Eternalism is

[hollow siren]

Eternalism is effectively just the study of how Time differs between Reality and Void, and how those differences can theoretically be utilized

it's not some concrete magical force

[pale cedar]

DE have only ever used it 3 times

They use CE way more

[hollow siren]

yeah CE is a concrete phenomenon that happens quite commonly

[limpid frigate]

Wibbly Timey-Wimey Bullshit XD

[hollow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/david-tennant-bingle-bongle-dingle-dangle-yickity-do-yickity-da-ping-pong-gif-12583062133741823213

[lean garden]

the bar to CE is low, which explains why people keep tripping over it and making CE

[loud oriole]

you get ce, you get ce! everybody gets ce!

[dark compass]

Conceptually embodying deez

[violet storm]

You mean deez nuts

[hollow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[ashen pulsar]

ight that’s it i’m conceptually embodying a hydrogen bomb

[neon wadi]

okay i know i just joined so i really dont wanna be a pain but I've been trying to really sink my teeth into warframe, I started ages ago and gave up but I learnt about the whole "games starts after steel path" only issue is I feel way behind on lore cause im already along on the story line. whats the best way to catchup without spoilers?

[fast dew]

Screw this chat

Bald loid be upon ye

[fast dew]

I am so sorry this wasn't directed at you

[neon wadi]

HAHAHAHA

[fast dew]

Also you're fine dw 😭

Thats why this chat exists

[ashen pulsar]

game doesn’t start at steel path vets can be kinda condescending in that way

[fast dew]

Also anyone who told you that the game starts at SP was a pretentious asshat

[dark compass]

conceptual embaldiment

[hollow siren]

I mean, the statement itself isn't entirely wrong, but it's not a good thing to tell new players

[fast dew]

EMBALDIMENT

[dark compass]

im sorry

[fast dew]

No thats funny as shit

[ashen pulsar]

people say “awww you finished the new war? congrats, you’re out of the tutorial” or some shit

[fast dew]

Like Kentucky fried Albrecht

[neon wadi]

oh right right

[fast dew]

Me everytime a vet tells a baby tenno to follow meta (im gonna murder someone)

[dark compass]

baby tenno ask for a build then never communicate :(

[fast dew]

Screw meta go follow your dreams broski

[ashen pulsar]

no, it is wrong. by the time you’re properly handling steel path, you’re already midgame

[hollow siren]

"Hey I'm new any advice?"
"So for ETA you'll want these Arcanes and mod setups..."

[dark compass]

"dont forget your incarnons"

[ashen pulsar]

EXACTLY

[fast dew]

If you wanna play Yareli on skatemnbord go play yareli on skatemnbord

[neon wadi]

yea im just rolling with whatever looks cool, I really wanna get into fashion frames too :>

[fast dew]

Real as shit

You can do pretty cheap ones if you know what you're doing

[hollow siren]

as long as a weapon build has at least one:

• Base damage mod
• elemental mod
• multishot/attack speed
• crit stats

it'll be fine for 90% of the game

[fast dew]

Lotta new frames are well designed now, unlike the early ones (im sorry nyx but holy shit.)

[ashen pulsar]

“so what you’re gonna want to do is finish the old peace since there’s an event on rn, then do every node and get steel path”
and then a few days later:
“ why are there so many noob in my steel path lobbies? it’s so annoying”

[neon wadi]

but yea any suggestions on lore reads?

[ashen pulsar]

quests

[fast dew]

Orokin archives for the transcripts

[dark compass]

who would win
MR10 Sevagoth Prime vs Sporogenesis

actually this is not a lore discussion

[neon wadi]

ok sounds easy enonugh

[dark compass]

we need to go back to bald Loid

[fast dew]

Bald loid.

[hollow siren]

Baloid

[fast dew]

Qorvex blasted the b e a m a little too close

[ashen pulsar]

eternalism. he is both bald and not bald.

[neon wadi]

I already feel enriched in such vibrant wf culture

[fast dew]

Yeah you'll learn that i like bullying twinks

Stupid ass old man

[hollow siren]

we made his hair infrared like we change the Cavia's colours

[ashen pulsar]

grandfather twink

[fast dew]

Wrinkletwink if you will

[neon wadi]

HAHAHAHA

[fast dew]

Oh god im funny as shit

[neon wadi]

nah thats a keeper

[fast dew]

Nah but fr i do like Loid

[hollow siren]

The wonders of Orokin technology have allowed us to eradicate Twink Death

[fast dew]

I tolerate Albrecht.

[loud oriole]

me also realizing that I don't need every element on my weapons
162.5% crit chance talons do infact go brr

[fast dew]

Sometimes you just gotta draw hunhow pregnant for your mental health

That. Wasnt meant for this server but this works

[ocean geyser]

They didn’t put up her statue? 😭

[loud oriole]

the look on my friends face when I told him that "yeah sentient biology is weird, Natah's mother is a ship and her Father birthed her and her sibling(s)"

[fast dew]

Tbf this one isn't a official image. Iirc they can't put unofficial images up there?

[dark compass]

officially we dont know how they look. Statues only have in-game file names attached

thats how people connected them

since wiki is officially hosted, datamined stuff is probably out of question

[ocean geyser]

Isn’t this mf literally from the game though 😭
Some of these images are just gameplay screenshots

[hollow siren]

these are the models extracted and displayed on their own

it's not an in-game screenshot

[ocean geyser]

Ah

[fast dew]

Many of the statues also are unseen

[hollow siren]

and the only way we know that statue is Avantus is cause of its file name

[hollow siren]

you can walk around and see them all in Tauron Academy

[fast dew]

But dear god she is so pretty

[fast dew]

YOU CAN?? I could only see like. 5

[hollow siren]

there's eight statues, two of Ballas for symmetry's sake

four in each corridor

[fast dew]

Ofc there's two of ballas.

He would.

[loud oriole]

two for ball ass because as Thomas just said

[ocean geyser]

Or was, until she got ghoulsawed
Or uh, Grineersawed? Ghouls didn’t exist yet

Orokin would probably hate Ghouls though

[fast dew]

Sawed... I sawed the daemons...

[ocean geyser]

Lmao

[fast dew]

Sorry the doomtism came out.

Im sure she was pretty in all her gore and viscera.
-# sorry hannibal has been rotting my brain recently

[ocean geyser]

Someone’s gonna make some dramatic af Avantus death art now

[fast dew]

I would if I wasn't busy uh

Drinking?

[ocean geyser]

Drink faster so you can draw
Or stop
Depends on the drink

[fast dew]

Uh just 20% melon liquor

[ocean geyser]

Melon…

[fast dew]

W some sprite bcs i cbf to make a proper cocktail

Melon......

This is a nice green do we have anything close to it in warframe

Ignore my legs

[ocean geyser]

Lega

[fast dew]

Ill turn your legs into deli ham.

[ocean geyser]

Maybe the Warframe That Is Green

[ocean geyser]

I don’t think it’d be tasty

[fast dew]

Deli ham never is.

[ocean geyser]

True

Well sorta
Depends on where you get it

[loud oriole]

dw the only legs I cannot ignore are Ballas's dangly human legs on his sentient legs

[fast dew]

Its dogshit here 😭

[fast dew]

Hehe those are so very silly.

Unfortunately ballas is also pretty

[pale cedar]

Pretty ugly

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframeballas-ballas-gif-903064965064944974

[fast dew]

I actually think Albrecht is ugly as shit

[ocean geyser]

He gets a little wrinkly when amalgamized

[fast dew]

I have so many questions for loid. Why did he choose that man.

[ocean geyser]

I mean he does look a little scraggly

[pale cedar]

Ballas got a scar for literally no reason

[ocean geyser]

His Orokin look is a bit better i think

[fast dew]

Have you seen his portrait

[ocean geyser]

Yuh

[fast dew]

Broski looks like Washington

[loud oriole]

crazy hair Albrecht my beloved

[fast dew]

A blue, w dreads, Washington.

I like his eyes n the scarring around them

[loud oriole]

he stared into abyss and it stared back

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

[loud oriole]

i still want to know why the Indifference chose a vitruvian man with a dragon key slot as his main physical void form.

or even more precisely how

[pale cedar]

It’s not even his main physical form it’s just a form he took

[hollow siren]

well the vitruvian man represents logical science and understanding. The illogical and unknowable Void entity taking that form is like a mockery of our hubris

also wdym "how". Shapeshifting is one of the first things we saw it do

[pale cedar]

Literally is the first thing Wally did after being created

Right after being created Wally took the form of Albrecht

[loud oriole]

this answered both for me lol i guess the mix of morning brain fog and lore loss made me forget that Wally doesn't just copy paste physical forms, but also ideological thoughts turned physical

[fast dew]

He chose a man bcs Albrecht likes MEN

[tall echo]

Relatable

[ocean geyser]

Because the Lotus (and by extension some of us) didn’t believe he even existed
They believed “There is no Man in the Wall”
So he showed up as a giant man in a wall

There’s a guy on Rell’s wiki page going on a tangent about it
I wonder what he thinks now

[drowsy saddle]

From a meta perspective. Its an excellent twist on the trope of "visualizing the incomprehensible" by making Da Mang in Da Wal a literal man in a wall

[loud oriole]

MITW deniers when wally literally shows up as a Man in a Wall

[drowsy saddle]

Makes Qorvex all the more ironic

[ocean geyser]

Lmfao

Speaking of, i found that wiki comment

Idk if this dude even plays anymore but New War must’ve been really funny

[drowsy saddle]

God I'd pay good plat to read his reaction lmao

[ocean geyser]

Titanoverlord when there is, in fact, a Man in the Wall:

I left a comment saying “Boy do i have news for you”

He’ll probably never see it

But yk

[pale cedar]

I think Lotus hit that guy on the head with that theory

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

[pale cedar]

Cuz that’s sort of that Lotus believed

[drowsy saddle]

Its an incredibly iconic look tho, instead of the generic cthulu esque and weird shadow monster style, its literal

[ocean geyser]

I wonder how many people also denied the existence of Wally Pre-New War

I desire to see people mald over the funny guy

[pale cedar]

There’s been loads of crazy Wally theories in this channel

[burnt light]

I always think the indifference always takes the form of something similar to those they meet, even themselves

[loud oriole]

wally is the friends we made along the way

[pale cedar]

There was once someone convinced that whenever we did Transferece Wally was the one who activated it for us

[ocean geyser]

That’s generally what happens yes
It loves mimicking people
However it also loves trolling (hence the wall form)

[burnt light]

I feel what are chances we just kick Wally back into the void and keep him in a prison

[loud oriole]

he'll find a way out

[pale cedar]

He’s still trapped in the Void

[ocean geyser]

Which is immediately shut down by Ballas and Silvana using Transference

[burnt light]

With way they are describing him, he feels like he can’t be killed

[ocean geyser]

Transference isn’t just a Tenno only thing, we’re only better at it because we can do it innately

[ocean geyser]

He probably can’t
Not in a conventional sense at least

Maybe we need to Kronos him and chop him to bits with the Wall of Lohk

[pale cedar]

Tbh they don’t have transference they have transference tech which is dangerous to use

[drowsy saddle]

Well specifically we don't slowly go schizo from the transference bleed

[loud oriole]

death is a foreign concept to wally

[ocean geyser]

Considering we’re trained not to, yeah
But it still has an effect

Silvana is somehow fine while being a bunch of trees

[pale cedar]

I don’t think we will ever kill Wally just hold him back with defeat after defeat till the only place he can be is the Void for the rest of eternity

[drowsy saddle]

Istg if we ever find a lore note about someone using transference on a pickle...

[ocean geyser]

😭

[loud oriole]

pickleframe when

[pale cedar]

I feel if he could die there would be a what happens to our powers as they are a piece of him

[ocean geyser]

Probably get yeeted

[drowsy saddle]

Can we bring ballas back just to shove him into a pickle

[loud oriole]

98% of him dies in the void but he latches on to the remaining 2% of the void related stuff in the origin system

before uttering the line;
i always come back

[lilac aspen]

It would buff him

[loud oriole]

buff pickled ball arse sounds evil

[drowsy saddle]

Even more wrinkly than before

[loud oriole]

skins no longer blue, its green

[dark compass]

ITS NOT EDITED??

I always thought the chin was edited

[loud oriole]

good ol 1970s Japan and their wacky animation styles

[stray herald]

Pray we get more named sentients in the future

[loud oriole]

i hope Boreal and Nira make their proper appearances if in the future we dive further back before the pivotal moment of the old peace

-# (and who ever is bound with Erra to make Pazuul)

[tall echo]

presumably pazuul

[hollow siren]

Pazuul is that

[dark compass]

Isn't Pazuul an actual name

[hollow siren]

Pazuul is the Ram, he was the leader of the four Sentient Beasts

[pale cedar]

Yes

[tall echo]

pazuul is the RAM

shove him in a pc

[dark compass]

Nira, Amar, Boreal and Pazuul

[pale cedar]

Though Lotus does try implying he isn’t as in charge as we think

[hollow siren]

atm it's unclear who is running the Narmer hivemind

we know Erra can host his own Hivemind, but it's not confirmed if Pazuul can too or if he's just kinda hijacking Erra's ability to do so

[dark compass]

"sorry you misunderstood. He isn't in charge, he just charges. He is a ram"

[loud oriole]

Pazuul must be very expensive to hire back to warframe now

[strange turtle]

Pazuul revealed to have been off-screened by Nira in the Tau quest trust

[hollow siren]

Actually they make out sloppy style

[dark compass]

This is how we beat the indifference

[tall echo]

oh no

[dark compass]

The power of love

[drowsy saddle]

Understand the Concept of Love

[dark compass]

In the end we will choose how to comfort the indifference and it'll be reflected on the compass

[narrow pendant]

im believing hes in that form because of albrechts vitruvian describing him "a man, trapped in a wall"

[hollow siren]

moral compass will have purpose in Tau 2026 trust

[dark compass]

No just reflect on it

It will have a purpose when we won't expect it

[drowsy saddle]

Its not even a moral compass

Its an emotion gauge

[strange turtle]

Alignment determining the future of Cetus in 2032

[narrow pendant]

sol and lua alignment if you want to go with dualism

[loud oriole]

three options;

• big hug
• firm handshake
• backhand slap that transcends all reality

[drowsy saddle]

The pimpslap heard across the multiverse

[loud oriole]

"Rap, tap..

SMACK"

[narrow pendant]

insert the scene right before the operator drifter handshake, of all the operators dying

slap so hard it killed all of the operator versions

[drowsy saddle]

Damn shame Styanax doesn't have a meaty thwack for his shield bash

[waxen mesa]

so what's Alad V up to?

is he just MIA right now?

[lean garden]

yeap

or rather he's only missing to us

[tall echo]

hopefully KIA but unlikely

[dark compass]

They confirmed he is alive

[waxen mesa]

I like to imagine the corpus know full well what he's doing and isn't even aware the tenno think he's missing

[tall echo]

dammit

[dark compass]

In an interview

He just went into hiding after new war

[tall echo]

I'm gonna track down that roach and shoot him with every gun I have

[lean garden]

Salad reappears and he complains the tenno didnt bother to find him

[dark compass]

That won't guarantee he dies

[waxen mesa]

I do kind of feel like Alad V is being shelved for Nef

[dark compass]

We did it twice and he's still alive and kicking

[tall echo]

I will make sure

[strange turtle]

“Betrayers, I thought we had something special”

[waxen mesa]

Most of Alad V's lore is from operations that never made it into a quest

[dark compass]

"oh hi by the way I'm no longer infested"

[waxen mesa]

New tenno get what?

Jupiter cutscene and two quests with him?

[tall echo]

"but that happened before you fought me but also after but-"

[dark compass]

They should turn him into a protoframe

[drowsy saddle]

Salad better be murmur-fied or amalgamed, just to collect all the space STDs available

[tall echo]

dear gods please no

[waxen mesa]

what would Alad V's tailor picked protoframe strain be?

[dark compass]

New one

[drowsy saddle]

Vauban

[tall echo]

vauban

[dark compass]

Oh true

[tall echo]

nice

[dark compass]

He does fit him visually

Somewhat

[drowsy saddle]

The most corpus of corpus, turned into the anti corpus frame

[strange turtle]

Loki

[tall echo]

and in the way that both are just kinda. there

[waxen mesa]

Alad becomes the first transproto after being given Valkyr

[dark compass]

To be fair, Vauban looks like a crewmen enemy

Straight up just a guy in a suit

[dark compass]

Someone will legitemately bomb DE headquarters if that happens

[drowsy saddle]

"Well if he were a bad engineer, he wouldn't be here in the nightwave now would he!?"

[dark compass]

Well he is a good engineer

Have you seen the cost of his prime

[drowsy saddle]

5000 more oxium to vauban prime

I wonder how much of that oxium is actually used and how much is just Ballas taking the crap on us?

[dark compass]

It's to remove line of sight from his grouping

Very important

[raw stone]

So... Gaule. And Höllvania.

Two sisters.... hmn.

And then Canata's on the other side of the Canadian North... somewhere.

Not many other places I can think of where a German city-state and a french city are nearby each other...

[fast dew]

Mm, Europe.

[waxen mesa]

so with Roathe. Were all the men under him turned into uriel. or did any attempts to make a warframe out of one of Roathe's men result in an uriel

or have i completely misunderstood what an uriel was

[raw stone]

All of Roathe's platoon were Uriel as he was said.

The one We pilot is probably one of them.

We are not piloting Roathe if you thought abt that like I did.

Roathe was given the doctored serum like the others, excluding Temple, that turns them into protoframes.

However, funnily, Roathe mentioned that he saw the first Uriel Prime. So. That might at least mean Uriel Prime predates Uriel's creation.

[waxen mesa]

Roathe should have said he saw the first revenant prime to really mess with peope

[raw stone]

Not relevant to him

[restive river]

Why excluding temple?

He gave Flare the same serum as anyone else, just a different batch, same as everyone else

[raw stone]

Temple explained it themselves at their inbox thing.

Granted... Idk what Kaya's deal is. How she can avoid turning if Temple and her serum were the same doctoring but.

[woven trench]

So what's up with the Triad?

[raw stone]

What abt them?

[woven trench]

Where or who are they?

[raw stone]

Gaule, 1899.

Some Church Crypt.

[woven trench]

Why they came to our timeline?

[raw stone]

They were always in our timeline.

The Sanctum is firmly in the void so I think they just. Linked together tbh.

[woven trench]

Huh?

[raw stone]

Ima be so fr. Idk why

[restive river]

Wdym? Their only special attribute is they’re the first Temple given time

[raw stone]

Mhm yeah.

[woven trench]

Why is the Chathedral just a closed off room?

[raw stone]

It is a CRYPT.

[woven trench]

Oh
For who?

[fast dew]

.. with pews?

[restive river]

She hops back to the loop frequently and has the Drifter who assists in slowing the transformation via transference

[raw stone]

A crypt beneath the Cathedral.

[fast dew]

... why does a crypt have pews?

[raw stone]

They sure as sol aint in the main belfry.

Idk. Mourn the dead?

[woven trench]

Actually I forgor why we even went to 1999

[raw stone]

Kalymos Sequence.

[restive river]

A num and priest from 1899 in charge of an Orokin, all of which were given the serum by Albrecht (the Orokin, Roathe was specifically forced)

They are in 1899 and have a void portal to the sanctum in the present

[woven trench]

Isn't it just a lockdown to make sure none of Entratis shenanigans got to Wally?

[fast dew]

||it uhm wasn't forced for Roathe||

[raw stone]

No.

[restive river]

To find Albrecht

That’s it

[woven trench]

Oh
Chathedral is just Anatomica from the past?

[raw stone]

Non.

[strange turtle]

…the anatomica is on deimos

[fast dew]

I mean yeah? It was many things. The loop.

[woven trench]

"The events in 1999 will change the history" what's up witht that?
NOTHING changed

[restive river]

||it was? He specifically forced the serum upon Roathe, he tells us himself. If you’re referring to a spoiler in kim that’s. A spoiler lol||

[woven trench]

Yeah?

[raw stone]

Nothing yet. Its the Erra prologue all over again.

[fast dew]

||VM, specifically. He accepts it as way to escape it all||

[woven trench]

The story feels very disjointed

[strange turtle]

The events in hollvania will blah blah the next 10,000 years of history. As in. The stuff with techrot

[raw stone]

For every new tenno. The gap between Apostasy prologue and New War was 5 YEARS.

[strange turtle]

The cathedral and the Triad are in france

On earth

[restive river]

We make small changes that largely don’t really matter
The biggest impact is Temple and us preventing the nuke from exploding

But the techrot always gets out further and the many many radiation wars start anyway

[woven trench]

Techrot dint changed shat though?

[stiff beacon]

Yep five years and a pandemic

[restive river]

That’s not what that quote is about

[woven trench]

Oh yeah
WAIT
So the Sol system IS based of our real life world?

[woven trench]

So nothing changed?

[restive river]

Yes, the Origin System has always been based off our own Solar System.

[raw stone]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-that-is-correct-thats-right-good-job-way-to-go-gif-18723702

[strange turtle]

Literally nothing else unique other than the techrot situation happens

[woven trench]

I thought it's kind of just a parallel of actual earth

[restive river]

We can make changes and see some but most do not survive to the Origin System

[raw stone]

It is. From a chronological standpoint.

[woven trench]

I feel like 1999 is VERY pointless plot wise

[restive river]

Yes but it says Hollvania shall shart the course of human history, not the events in Hollvania.

[woven trench]

Old Peace is just us re learning our past right?

[restive river]

I mean it is
It’s an alternate timeline where many things are the same and many things are slightly different

[restive river]

Reliving our past through a device called the dark refractory

[strange turtle]

Hollvania is literally just a random city

[woven trench]

Whole ahh diffrent wildlife all together

[restive river]

Therapy

[raw stone]

Old Peace is Operator's past. We already know Drifter's past.

[restive river]

I’m just reading what it says 😭

[fast dew]

Erm citystate

[restive river]

To a degree, yes

[swift sentinel]

I still don't think this is supposed to be taken literally.

[raw stone]

Höllvania and Gaule are within distance of each other btw.

[woven trench]

Warframe hella in consistent with story content man 😭
They finna release more of jt

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[restive river]

How so?

[woven trench]

It's unnecessarily hyperbolic if that's the case

[fast dew]

Idk Albrecht is a pretty literal man. No clue why he'd.... just lie there

[restive river]

The Hollvanian government is part of Oro which likely becomes the Orokin with time, meaning Hollvania charts the course of human history

[fast dew]

Tbf i dont even know if comic Albrecht is actually Albrecht at all

[woven trench]

Also I heard Beleric got a voicline in 1999 but like where 😭?

[restive river]

He gave the protos the serum and Wally doesn’t seem to have access yet (it’s 1998 in the comic)

[raw stone]

BELERIC?

Who's Beleric?

[woven trench]

Blue crystal guy from Citrine story

[restive river]

I think you heard wrong

[woven trench]

Perhaps I'm high

[raw stone]

Belric and Rania. And also. They haven't. Might've been a bug fix tbh.

[fast dew]

Good to know lowkey

So Albrecht is just weird then

[restive river]

Same old weirdo Albrecht

[fast dew]

He's a weirdo but like said with mild affection and equal amounts of vitriolic hatred

[woven trench]

No.

No that couldn't be...

I...I swear I heard their voice in a compilation during my early days on this gane

[raw stone]

The crystals just tell the somatic story. Tbh, it's the same concept as the grandmother stories.

I kinda... want more Grandmother stories.

[restive river]

The infestation kinda has to get out regardless otherwise this is a grandfather paradox
If we have to go back in time to ensure the techrot survives then we’d never arrive to ensure that

[woven trench]

Grandmother is such a goated person despite being a Orokin

[swift sentinel]

ORO are similar to the Orokin, I don't think it's supposed to be the exact same organisation that survives for that long.

[fast dew]

Ehh

I can see it

[restive river]

It’s a strong possibility Oro leads to the creation of the Orokin

[fast dew]

See: vaultec

[fast dew]

She's so nice.

[restive river]

Yeah it’s very vaultec

Shady corp shadow government suspiciously called one half of the name of the class of people who took over the system?
Very possible it’s the same corp

Unlikely it’s the same exact people, but that just depends on the tech they have at the time

[fast dew]

Mmhm.

[swift sentinel]

I definitely took it as an allusion that the same kind of people will always exist. The rich, greedy, power-hungry few that want to rule, not meant to show a direct straight line over thousands of years.

[fast dew]

I mean

Its pretty direct

[strange turtle]

I mean it’s probably not a straight line but I think there is still one

[restive river]

Oro works with Scaldra
Neci was given a long arm specifically to parallel the Orokin
So Oro tech is granting long arm and also conveniently is the company that’s messing with the technocyte

[restive river]

Yeah this

[strange turtle]

One with a bunch of loops and bends and hard curves as society develops and changes maybe but still a continuous line

[restive river]

I can see Oro continuing to survive over time in any way it can, taking control where it can

[swift sentinel]

Even if it's only ten thousand years, (I think it's longer), that would mean that this organisation survived longer than human civilization has existed IRL.

It's much more likely that it's the same kind of people, rising again and again

[restive river]

The Origin system is at minimum 10k years into the future thanks to what Albrecht said
The radiation wars are a different story

Also we already have some corporations outliving people by a lot

[fast dew]

... humans exist after current time in warframe since the start

Grineer are humans, remember?

[restive river]

Also I don’t think anyone is saying anyone from that corp survived, just the corp itself to some extent

The Orokin gained power somehow, you can only do that with tech and knowledge if you’ve survived long enough

It’s also very possible it could be the same exact people in charge of Oro at some point due to Kuva being discovered at some point

[swift sentinel]

The oldest existing corporation is 1500ish years old, I don't think one could survive ten times that long.

[fast dew]

This is a fictional universe.

[restive river]

Yeah this is a fictional universe

And whomever the Orokin were had access to Kuva

So time becomes a non issue at some point

[stiff fable]

The entire point is that the Orokin took over and enshrined their institutions eternally

[restive river]

And again, the Orokin were known for their tech and knowledge
However they have that they’d need to be around for a while

[swift sentinel]

I think having the same organisation be the bad guys removes a lot of texture from that fiction

[restive river]

Not really, we aren’t going up against Oro

[swift sentinel]

Ten thousand years is plenty of time for a new organisation to rise up and build on what came before

[restive river]

Also like vault tec exists, this isn’t a new concept
It’s just on a larger scale thanks to even grander sci fi tech and literal magic immortal fluid

[fast dew]

Not if you nip it at the bud.

[frank verge]

Is 1999 an alternate universe, or an alternate timeline, or is in the prime universe in the past?

[restive river]

Not if the same one persists and prevents anyone from rising up, over and over and over again until they’re the only ones left to rule humanity

[fast dew]

Real time.

[restive river]

Which is what the Orokin do

[stiff fable]

It's just the past

[swift sentinel]

We're not going to agree on this so I think we drop it here

[restive river]

And again, it can absolutely be the same organization because we know the Orokin gain access to Kuva.

Nothing specially points at Oro becoming the Orokin, cause nothing in 1999 would beyond a hint and a tease there with their name and actions but it is not at all outlandish to believe they could survive that long

[hollow siren]

if not Oro themselves then at least they paved the way for what would eventually become the Orokin

[restive river]

It really just depends on when Kuva was discovered tbh

[hollow siren]

Albrecht's descriptions make it seem like after the Radiation Wars

[restive river]

Which description?

[hollow siren]

"It began long before these moon-palaces and body-markets hurling around our golden sun. It began long before our light-coil thinkers, our radiation wars, our oil, smoke. "

He lists things in seemingly reverse chronology

[restive river]

That’s just the body markets

“It began long before our light-coil thinkers, our radiation wars, our oil, smoke…. It began with us. The continuity and its twin, wanderlust. The need for unseen shores deep in our marrow. No judge, jester, queen, or king can escape this old blood.”

I don’t think he’s really giving an exact timeline of when kuva was discovered here

The moon palaces and body markets just refer to the Orokin empire itself

[hollow siren]

Kuva is "The Old Blood", but here Albrecht is comparing the concept of wanderlust as another type of "old blood", that no one can escape

the body markets to me seem to refer to the Yuvans

because why else would the markets be for bodies, not slaves or people

[restive river]

They do yes, during the empire

They still could use kuva on anyone prior to that lol

[hollow siren]

Going by that logic, it implies they had Kuva even before the industrial revolution

[restive river]

He says it began with us, continuity and wanderlust
And if this is 100% chronological then humanity has had kuva since before they had fire

I don’t think we can really extrapolate when kuva was discovered during this

We don’t even know it’s origin yet

[hollow siren]

well we know it has some ties to Void, but how it seemingly "bleeds" into Reality on its own is unclear yeah

[restive river]

It predates the void being useful for sure

I know there’s an idea it could be Wally’s blood but that doesn’t really track afaik

[hollow siren]

oh yeah we know for a fact they had it before the Relics

[restive river]

They likely had it prior to them ruling

[hollow siren]

At the very least it's a thematic connection

[restive river]

Maybe, it could be thematically similar to the finger?
The Orokin using something they shouldn’t nor asked permission for that should be beyond them?

[hollow siren]

Unknowable blood-like liquid discovered with unknown origins, called the "old blood" and enabled humans to "ascend" to higher forms/roles
If it's not an intentional Bloodborne reference then it's one hell of a coincidence

[restive river]

Especially if it too is from the void though we can’t say for certain

[hollow siren]

I want a non-Grineer Kuva thing so bad

[woven coyote]

also it doesn't necessarily come from the void

it has a void derived capability but isn't necessarily void derived itself
like the incarnons on the zariman or even the cavia tho both were a much more direct exposure

but in the end like ducky said we don't have a clue to it's origins

just a single description of one of it's properties

[dark compass]

So basically

Uhhh

An orokin kuva thing?

[hollow siren]

or Kuva directly in the Void

[dark compass]

Kuva Incarnons

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[hollow siren]

have the Void background in the Incarnon perk screen be all red and stuff

[dark compass]

First look at Kuva Magistar

[vagrant beacon]

idk where to ask this but is it confirmed that equinox is female?

[strange plinth]

yea, forums when she was introduced
just a more masculine form and a more feminine one

[dark compass]

They just chickened out because gamers back then would've been annoying about it

[strange plinth]

probably, yeah
not sure if it'd be worse if they retconned it now

[dark compass]

Retcon it alongside adding a protoframe

[vagrant beacon]

ah ok ty

[stiff beacon]

nah equinox just needs a rework

[dark compass]

Idk, equinox has a very well fleshed out kit

The only thing that holds her back is having old style of skill restrictions

She just needs to get a bit of freedom in how certain skills work

Not a full on rework

[stiff beacon]

also mend and maim getting a buff

[dark compass]

Wtf no

[strange plinth]

she needs to be added to circuit

[dark compass]

That's like her most powerful and legitemately destructive thing

Mend is amazing for staying alive, Maim is a nuke that can leech kpm off allies

Of all things, mend and maim are the only things that don't need changes

Outside of maybe energy transfer becoming core kit

[stiff beacon]

i meant having its slash dmg be a constant thing instead of a one time thing per enemy

that steps in the field

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-fight-jujutsu-kaisen-fight-jjk-blueray-gif-6504871374094424722

[stiff beacon]

like wtf is the point of that part of the ability if your just gonna leech dmg of your team mates kills

and go for nuke

instead of an aoe dmg field that constantly causes slash dmg

[ashen pulsar]

is she not in circuit

[stiff beacon]

which in turn builds the dmg for the nuke

[stiff beacon]

she is not

[stiff beacon]

but no she just has worse absorbtion

[ashen pulsar]

why?

[strange plinth]

the only reason i can think of is that she'd take up the whole reward path if she was
double the pieces required to build her

[dire mountain]

Evil

[dire mountain]

But like. Is it really impossible for them to make it so equinox gives you both things

[stiff beacon]

its not impossible though they might be saving her for some other alternate acquisition path given theyd need to either make most of the rewards equinox or make the path longer

in circuit

or make it double up the rewards

given equinox is basically crafted as 2 frames then shoved into a trench coat with a forma

[lilac aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-fight-jujutsu-kaisen-fight-sukuna-gif-13811197927290673555

[dark compass]

shes a support

shes meant to leech

i feel like slash is here for flavor more than anything

[raw stone]

Technically it is. At least... the way that Maim works is that while its not slash damage afterwards, its still a dot aura.

I guess in this case, it'd just be unstatused dmg.