lore-discussion

[brittle siren]

Did anyone translated it?

[hollow siren]

Currently has no translation

[brittle siren]

I mean in quest

[pale cedar]

It would cause quest issues too

[hollow siren]

IIRC. Razul or Tarat is said by like the Hollow Vein in one of their lines but that's it

[brittle siren]

What issues exactly? We saw him transform into Loid and Albrecht. It kinda makes no sense for him to taunt Drifter in OP form

[pine orchid]

the lil guys speak in voidtongue??? kinda cute 🥰

[hollow siren]

only Vythelas speaks sadly

[brittle siren]

The one that summon runes?

[hollow siren]

Gulphagor and Catanach just grunt

[hollow siren]

yep

[opaque zenith]

Noteworthy that it's kinda hard to check the words, since there's also no subtitles and the majority of the spoken words are a guess (I.E. the Wally TNW translation that were wrong for quite a time)

[brittle siren]

Make sense though, as it is the only demon that looks smart. The other 2 are like animals

[hollow siren]

The Triad reveal trailer has subtiltes of it

[strange plinth]

-# "Razul-Tarat Kanummu" was taken from the youtube captions on the triad reveal trailer iirc

[hollow siren]

That's how we got "RAZUL-TARAT KANUMMU"

[opaque zenith]

The majority

[brittle siren]

Also, it makes him one of the Warframes that can talk (albeit only able to chant Void tongue)

[hollow siren]

This was about Uriel's line specifically, not Voidtongue in general

[brittle siren]

Dante could also whisper

[hollow siren]

for Dante it's kinda hard to say if it's him or Noctua

[brittle siren]

Idk if Dante is using void tongue though

[brittle siren]

Noctua is not from Dante?

[hollow siren]

Noctua is his tome

I'm saying it's unclear if the Voidtongue spoken is actually Dante saying it, or if Noctua is

[brittle siren]

I mean did it spawn from him or was given by someone else?

[opaque zenith]

In that case, ok then

[hollow siren]

IIRC. he wrote down his learnings in it and it kinda changed because of that

been a while since I last checked his leverian

[brittle siren]

Hmm, maybe it's like a living book that talks for Dante or sth, idk

Though in his idle he did make a giggle sound

[hollow siren]

well Dante connected to the Indifference and nearly went mad because of it

Although it still speaks to him, because according to Drusus: "In doing so, it is known. And in being known, it survives."

[opaque zenith]

So, the indifference Works by 'clash of the titans' gods rules (Old reference to compare but still)

[pale cedar]

Whispers chair would have to be changed to handle the larger model

Orbiter would have to be changed completely to handle the larger model of Drifter as Wally shows up in and after quest parts in Orbiter

Not as simple as just make it bigger

Also new animations would need to be made

[brittle siren]

I mean that just Orbiter problem though, I dont think make him transform in cutscene would be that bad (also Albrecht literally fit the chair)

[opaque zenith]

Also will need new voicepacks for the 4 Drifter's voices. 8 voicepacks In every quest

[pale cedar]

The 1999 chair would be fine

It’s the way he sits in it that would need to be changed

[brittle siren]

not really, just transform 1 time like what he did in front of Albrecht

dont need to change voice either

[pale cedar]

Also the Whispers chair is the issue

That chair was basically made for a child model rather than adult

[brittle siren]

I still wish that he use Drifter form in the future, and if he "can't", I want the ingame reason too

[opaque zenith]

That would mean the kids voice on the adult ver. And in this very scene pointed Wally chaged between Rusalka, Loid and Albrecht voices

[pale cedar]

It’s never as simple as just size them up

[brittle siren]

i mean DE tell Loid VA to voice some line for Wally and he accept it, so it not really ***that *** big of a deal lmao. A lot of game already have voices that interchangeable for a single character

[brittle siren]

I don't mean it as a permanent form change, I mean in 1 or 2 scene that he use Drifter to taunt someone

[pale cedar]

Just for 1 or 2 scenes is a waste of time that could be placed in much better things than changing a perfectly good Operator

[brittle siren]

what...?

so he transform into Loid also a waste of time then

[pale cedar]

Why go through all that work for it happening 2 times?

[opaque zenith]

It's still 4 more voices for everytime wally appears, and reworking a lot of animations that they don't do as priority (ex: the floating wally when he appears next to the infested door), and He has Rusalka's body now anyways

[pale cedar]

Make it permanent at that point

[brittle siren]

again, NOT PERMANENT

it more like he wearing Lotus headpiece and turning into Loid

[opaque zenith]

wait, what is not permanent?

I though you're talking about orbiter Wally appereances

[brittle siren]

you guys keep talking about voices and issues in Orbiter or deco, but that when if DE make him use Drifter form outside quest. What I want, is he doing the same thing like he was taunting Albrecht by using Loid form

my god

I'm not asking DE change anything that already exist, just ADD new things for future quests

[opaque zenith]

Oh, that. Wally has Rusalka's body now so won't matter. And he was Always more interessed in the kid (yeah not good wording but idk how to say it better)

But sure, he can take drifter's form in a future quest, he just not interessed

[brittle siren]

Ayo time to report to CIA

[opaque zenith]

Ah yeah, the Cosmic Interdimensional Affairs

[unique talon]

What if machines like these built by the Corpus and were programmed to exterminate all Warframes in the origin system, what chances would we have against it?

[brittle siren]

Sentient be like: ❓

[stray herald]

the zanuka

[pale cedar]

100%

[pine orchid]

is he only interested in the kid bcs the kid is the only one with the 'light' if taken to mean the light from ||adis||? 🤔

[unique talon]

No no.. these guys are on other level..

[brittle siren]

also these thing can't copy ability that like teleport or create supernova so these guy would be 1 shot by any void kid

[pale cedar]

Corpus make machines all the time and we still win

[opaque zenith]

Idk who that is, but do they bleed? Or better, do they simply have separatable atoms?

[unique talon]

Imune to magnetism apparently

[brittle siren]

for normal human with mutated power? Maybe

But against with never ending growing living metal flesh suit that have hax like open the gate to the sun, yeah no

[brittle siren]

they are robot, basically Sentient in Warframe but can copy abilities that change their physical form

[lean garden]

Sentinels are really just advanced tech, of which makes them extremely ripe for the Sentients to co-opt

[brittle siren]

for example, if frost is against them, they will make their body into flame

the only thing they good at is against human with power

they are not in galactic scale like Sentient who let me remind you, one of the leader can eat the freaking sun

[unique talon]

Since they're just robots they can't regenerate themselves

[lean garden]

LOL who scaled the Sentients to galactic???

which powerscaling clown did that

[brittle siren]

not that kind of galactic

I mean the kind of like the Galactic empire in Star War but smaller, since they can enact space battle

[unique talon]

But for regular frames like frost, ember or rhino.. they would be easily defeated

[opaque zenith]

Whats the time to copy? need to be little less than a fraction of sec, and copy the power don't mean adaptabilty to the power against you

[brittle siren]

they almost can adapt instantly and send info to other Sentinel to do the same thing

the work like the hive mind too

[pale cedar]

Abilities don’t matter we got weapons

[brittle siren]

I mean what kind of weapon?

[unique talon]

Depends on the type of weapon

[pale cedar]

Literally anything that isn’t the MK-1 weapons

[unique talon]

Primes ones would surely obliterate them

[brittle siren]

energy based one, idk if normal bullet would kill them

[opaque zenith]

K, then the easy way. Void shenanigans don't work since wally won't like them stealing his energy without permition (meaning they will be hunted down by an army of nothingness), or the'll get whatever robot equivalent to madness, since lotus can get affected by Wally

[unique talon]

About regeneration, one thing that always draws my attention is the regeneration ability for most warframes

Something like umbra recovering his helmet face

[brittle siren]

yeah but they still need Helminth to tend for wounds that unable to heal by itself

[unique talon]

But what if they lose a limb in battle?

[brittle siren]

above

[pale cedar]

Infestation never gave father his arm back after it was clawed off

It only heals when it sees it as necessary

[brittle siren]

did he tried to said please to our Helminth ?

[pale cedar]

Helminth probably sees giving an arm back as necessary

[opaque zenith]

Uncultured and uncontroled version of it, but yeah it tends to just deform and go along with the result

[brittle siren]

although Lizzie is just an extension of Helminth, I want to see them talk to each other

[pale cedar]

Helminth didn’t give Marie feet back as it wasn’t important because she can literally float

Also never gave Dagath a face back for the same reason

If you can live without you ain’t getting it

[opaque zenith]

They are each other tho, it will be kinda like talking to yourself (except that "yourself" is already a manifold in itself)

[brittle siren]

tbh I feel like Lizzie and Helminth is the same case with Natah and Hunhow

[pale cedar]

All Warframes are an extension of Helminth

Helminth literally calls them kin

[opaque zenith]

K, that could work

[solar salmon]

Yeah exactly the template for wisp didn't call for it so it didn't need to be there

[hollow siren]

yeah Lizzie to me feels essentially like just another Helminth body, like how we have at least two in Höllvania mall and one in the Orbiter

[narrow pendant]

lizzie is helminth extended body via hivemind bluetooth

[brittle siren]

yeah but like she has different vibe from the Helminth. Iirc she has some of Flare trait, like liking music'

[dark compass]

yeah because she was born from their blood being taken as a sample

[hollow siren]

Lizzie is kinda the actual Helminth strain inside Flare given a separate form

[dark compass]

Temple bled on a guitar and that caused Lizzie to grow the way she did

the moral is

[hollow siren]

she's a neat look at how the individual influences and "imprints" on the Helminth

[dark compass]

if you are taking the serum and your strain has an exalted weapon

bleed some extra on it, maybe youll get a girlfriend out of that weapon

[narrow pendant]

now wf fans will do blood sacrifices on anime figures

you are to blame!

[dark compass]

you need a helminth strain with an exalted first

choice is not very big

[narrow pendant]

or design a new frame

[brittle siren]

we need a moon theme frame

(technically Wisp is a sun theme with her 4 but the again she has no lore so she not really a "Sol" frame)

[tall echo]

umbra

[brittle siren]

he not really Lua theme though

[tall echo]

he's from lua and powered by lua

close enough

what would a moon themed frame even be, just skull kid from majora's mask?

[pale cedar]

Moon Knight

[tall echo]

so umbra in white

that's just excal prime again

[strange turtle]

Deserved tbh

[unique aspen]

That'd be fun - Equinox's Night form has those vibes, but also Equinox is a 2-in-1 package and also It's Equinox

Equinox rework when...

[pale cedar]

When Sol and Lua align causing the lost to find their way home

[north jolt]

Or bleed on a random object and have that become your exalted

[drowsy saddle]

I mean, protea has a turret

And would caliban constitute a harem?

[dawn citrus]

She needs one??? Idk I use her a lot and she’s a mega nuking, auto shield gating monster

[dark compass]

Yes

Or a found family

Depending on the form of your trauma

[ocean geyser]

Ythink Lizzie would get freaked out by the void angel shawzin
I feel like the one other guitar that
literally sings should have some lore or something

[tall echo]

it does have lore

it's kira's shawzin corrupted by the void angel stuff

[brittle siren]

So many ppl still crying about the fact that because Second Dream, or more precisely, because the existence of OP, or even more specifically, because HUMAN existence in the game, makes Warframe a bad game

[stiff beacon]

Seriously?

[brittle siren]

Yep

[pale cedar]

Warframe players when they have nothing to complain about find something to complain about

[silk atlas]

People love complaining for no reason, ignore them

[hollow siren]

Hey I'm kinda tired of Protoframes by now and even I think those are pointless complaints

[brittle siren]

And he said that he played the game for a long time

[ocean geyser]

Ohh

[normal mountain]

Oh hey, the TSD haters are still at it?
Wow

[brittle siren]

I kinda like protoframe because they are the only thing that connects us to the era before Orokin rises

[stiff beacon]

Yea

[normal mountain]

we should 👴 react them

[brittle siren]

And we can feel the victim's pain when they slowly become a warframe

[hollow siren]

I mean true, I just think the concept's lost its initial charm by now (which ig is just a natural reaction as things are no longer new but still)

[normal mountain]

Let's be real here
They're too busy hating the Operator to notice that little lore detail

[ocean geyser]

Huh
I get the idea of playing as something non human (which would therefore add to the power fantasy and whatnot)
But crying about it even still is a bit wild

[brittle siren]

Yep, even my bf does not like proto skin, he still enjoys them as a character.

[loud oriole]

all the power without the cost.

the cost being having a hitch-hiker from a incomprehensible space outside of our reality that drove every adult on the Zariman feral and only let us live if we helped it with its underlying quest to either; become whole again and go back to its regular 'life' or completely assimilate our reality

[hollow siren]

I don't really like using the protoframe skins for kinda a similar reason; now it's no longer me and my frame, it's me and this other person

[brittle siren]

And like Lotus said: Dream for who you are (I may be phrasing her quote wrong here)

[normal mountain]

Again
They're too busy hating the Operator to care about that

[loud oriole]

very true lol

[ocean geyser]

I do think people were hyped about the possibility of more Umbrals after Excal
Because iirc rebb brought it up as a possibility? But then protos happened and it was gone

[ocean geyser]

“Dream, not of who you are, but who you want to be”

[tall echo]

the small chair for sitting was slightly faster than me

[ocean geyser]

:3

[brittle siren]

Yep this

[ocean geyser]

all the powers and none of the cost
This mf did NOT pay attention to what happened to the Zariman

[hollow siren]

Protoframe skins to me have the same dissonance that using Umbra in cutscenes has, except it also extends to actual gameplay

like they should be moving and acting but they're just frozen like any other frame

only one excempt from this is Arthur on Umbra

[normal mountain]

More like they didn't care, because they're too busy hating the Operator

[brittle siren]

Ik it's very hard to do this, but I hope DE stops making new Protos (for a long time) and starts adding new idle specifically for all proto, like some deluxe skins have their own animation

[silk atlas]

Which is why I don't think drawing attention to these kinds of people is productive lol. They're gonna stew in their ignorance and bad takes

[normal mountain]

Hate something enough, you're not going to give much a rip about the lore behind it

[brittle siren]

To make them more alive

[hollow siren]

Amir has slightly different anims than Volt I think?

[brittle siren]

Just one for each proto is fine too

[hollow siren]

but yeah imo. they should stop with Protos for a long while now

[pale cedar]

They already said they were

[ocean geyser]

Oh word?

[brittle siren]

No it's the same sadly

Though the Hex and Flare group has more lively face animation than the Triad, I think it could be a bug.

[ocean geyser]

Man i was hoping for a Gauss protoframw

[normal mountain]

A very good point
let's just point, laugh, and move on, leaving nothing but a 👴 behind

[hollow siren]

I really like how Uriel's noble anims are more designed for Roathe, while the agiles are for Uriel himself

[loud oriole]

yup, 1999 story is shelved for more story regarding the Operator and their past that was masked by the Lotus

[pale cedar]

DE said no more Protos now unless it makes sense to add more

[normal mountain]

That doesn't exactly mean there won't be any more protos
Remember, the Devil's Triad isn't from 1999

[brittle siren]

Meanwhile, the Hex (not counting Arthur) was stuck with 10-year-old idle

[hollow siren]

it's weird cause Amir has a different idle in the Market preview of his skin

and during the quest

[brittle siren]

I will check it tomorrow, I used the Zephyr “Power Ranger” idle on him, because Volt's default looks weird for Amir

[tall echo]

although the noble anims just look a bit silly with roach

the curse of mocap

[hollow siren]

true

I wish Uriel's idles had sounds. As annoying as idle sfx can be, Uriel's idles feel so weird when silent

cause all the sounds when he walks, dodges, does the gemini etc. really make him feel heavy as if he's made from just rock and metal

and his growls are easily some of the best, but those are just not present outside of cutscenes

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-balrog-mines-of-moria-scary-gif-3416890

[strange turtle]

“Be a normal guy”

Entire family dead, child soldier, can’t go to most civilised places, still questioning what exactly Wally did to them in the deal

[loud oriole]

rock and metal..

rock and stone!?

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-deep-rock-galactic-gif-25114877

[hollow siren]

Descendia is just the core of Hoxxes

[flat acorn]

so we know earth is supposedly a wasteland and is supposed to be basically unlivable, but why does it still look like giant cities light up during the night in the skybox?

well wasteland is wrong

[hollow siren]

Grineer bases, probably

[flat acorn]

its dense forests that are inhospitable because of radiation or something

[flat acorn]

im pretty sure the grineer are only establishing outposts on earth, not giant cities

the skybox almost looks like the earth is inhabitated on the scale of modern day

tbh looking at the lore, the wiki and the ingame starchart, the lights might just be a messup, maybe DE used nasa footage or something and the lights are just a holdover from what they used as a refrence that they didnt think to remove

[loud oriole]

plus i mean, the ostrons are surely not the only remaining 'original' humans left on earth (unless i am mistaken)

[flat acorn]

the plains is the only known hospitable part of earth as far as im aware, the rest is supposedly screwed by radiation and gene modified plants out of control

[strange turtle]

It’s because of how fast they grow

[pale cedar]

Iron Wake

[strange turtle]

They grow so fast that within relatively short time they overtake areas that were settled, even by the Grineer (the chemical specialists)

Not overtake as in completely overgrow but like, they grow fast enough that facilities get covered in plants

Maintaining water supplies also seems to be an issue

There’s other areas that are still inhospitable from the radiation though

It’s still so bad that the atmosphere’s toxic

[dry oracle]

How Marie born deformed?

[pale cedar]

Humans can be that

[dry oracle]

I mean in what way

[dark compass]

Missing parts of her legs

She got a prosthesis, then Entrati let her float

[drowsy saddle]

She ain't got no legs lieutenant Dan!

[radiant flume]

-# I guess this is the appropriate channel for this question

The Duviri Paradox story should be played after which quest? (I just started the game and I kinda want to do the content in a way that is understandable, and also understand the lore)
-# And avoid doing a World of Warcraft and start smth that is WAY later in the story 😭

[dark compass]

After new war

[radiant flume]

Thank you so much ! 🙏

[dry oracle]

She born without feets or legs?

[drowsy saddle]

Unclear but it was enough for her posh family to yeet her into Paris to die on the streets

[fast scaffold]

kim conversations can be discussed here right??

[dry oracle]

Sad backstory and people talking about Marie saying six seven

[tall echo]

yes

[fast scaffold]

kk

so uh how come i just learn from marie that Mother is the one who wrote duviri

[tall echo]

you didn't pay attention that's how

[fast scaffold]

im pretty sure it wasnt mentioned in any place before ngl xd

[dry oracle]

I don't remember that

[tall echo]

the narration is subtitled with "euleria entrati". euleria was mother's former name

[silk atlas]

The item description of the book mentions it was from Euleria

[dry oracle]

Pretty sure drifter created duviri through their emotions void thingy

[strange turtle]

Albrecht mentions it, subtitles, the 1999 KIMs, the actual book

[tall echo]

in the new war, euleria is the person narrating the test

[tall echo]

based on a book

[strange turtle]

Yeah but she wrote the actual book about Duviri before that

[pale cedar]

Drifter created the live action adaptation of the book

[dry oracle]

So drifter has the ability to create a world based on any story books?

[strange turtle]

No

They just conceptually embodied the world when they got left on the Zariman

[silk atlas]

No, this was from them coping so hard in the Zariman trapped in the Void that Conceptual Embodiment happened

[dry oracle]

So if drifter was in the void and coped again is able to create a world?

[pale cedar]

Literally anyone can do CE if emotional enough and the Void feels like it

[dry oracle]

Is drifter male or female? (in lore)

[woven coyote]

No cannon gender

[pale cedar]

Whatever gender you select

[woven coyote]

That's why their names are drifter and operator

[dry oracle]

Then who mara lohk?

[tall echo]

wally's name for the player

main theory is child of void/void child

[woven coyote]

would be funny if it turned out to be void anomaly

[hollow siren]

Mara is the name of a type of old pagan demon, so could also be Void Demon/Devil

[woven coyote]

are there other voidtongue words that are just irl words?

because if not i would find it weird to just for that one use an irl word

[pale cedar]

I checked Fass and Vome and can’t seem to find anything else irl that isn’t an acronym

Lohk is seemingly just a Warframe word too

[iron tiger]

Oh this must’ve become the word mare which became nightmare

But anyways. Other than the codex and quests if I wanted to get a good idea of warframe lore in game where should I start

I want to be on the same level as yall

[pale cedar]

Orokin archives

[loud oriole]

note book and the 6h warframe lore mega-video

[pale cedar]

The 5 hour video and 9 hour video were both very inaccurate

[hollow siren]

yes, they were horse-headed demons who gave you bad dream

hence "night mares"

and also why nightmares are just called "mare dreams" in some languages

[iron tiger]

Isn’t that a YouTube channel?

[pale cedar]

Was a website before channel

Website is also more up to date than the channel

[iron tiger]

Oh yeah this look great

Thank you

Warframe lore can be so disconnected this looks like the bible

[tall echo]

well, fass is barrel in german but I doubt that's intended

[marble hound]

Now that I think about it, the Drifter wouldn't canonically be much stronger than the Tenno? I mean the Drifter has basically time manipulation, partial infestion control (by rebooting time can also reboot the hive mind of the infestation), void control and basically all the Tenno powers. I don't remember if there is any mention of the Tenno "sharing" their power with the Drifter. I always thought the Drifter and the Tenno were the same but more of a "reference" to growing up and in the end of the New War you would choose if to finally grow up or remain stuck in the past (Choosing Drifter or Tenno), but after the Old Peace it's basically screamed at you that they are 2 different beings

[woven coyote]

the "infestation control" thing would be debunked by lizzie

void control and tenno powers sound like the same thing

[marble hound]

Like I said it's partial, it's said when you reboot the mind of Roathe that the Drifter can basically make the infesation "load a past save" to give it a name

[woven coyote]

lizzie disagrees with that

[marble hound]

Never said they were not the same, I was gonna name all of the Tenno powers but decided to just put "All tenno powers".

[woven coyote]

lizzie a.k.a helminth remains aware no matter the reset

[marble hound]

Idk I'm just saying what is told in the kimchat conversations. And also she says kinda that all the infestation, including the helminth, is one of the same so.... But still you are not answering none of my questions

[woven coyote]

there was a question?

oh found it.
don't think they would be "cannonicaly" stronger no

it's just the time thing and that has had very limited aplication

it's the only real difference between them

[dry oracle]

The hex are part of the lore or just side characters?

[woven coyote]

tho you might say drifter is physically stronger since they can actually hold a sword

[woven coyote]

if you mean main story yes

lore includes everything in universe

[marble hound]

The Hex and basically all new protoframes will be crucial to defeat the Indiference, at least that's what Albecht says and the reason he created the Protoframes in the first place

[dry oracle]

Wait my drifter is female and I saw Kim text telling Arthur that my drifter trys to date eleanor but failed so my drifter is a lesbain?

[woven coyote]

depends on your choices

[dry oracle]

My drifter is currently dating quincy

[marble hound]

I guess? Almost every romanceable character (if not all of em) in the game is Bi so...

[woven coyote]

all of them yeah

the term people really use here is playersexual

they are just all available to the player

plus drifter's convo about the meaninglessness of gender in their time

[tall echo]

and what is told is that the hivemind doesn't care much about the loops

[marble hound]

Going back to the Drifter and Tenno. Am I the only one that thinks that one of the two will eventually die? The Hex constantly reminds the Drifter to not die and even Amir says he had a dream of him not being capable to save them.

[dry oracle]

So in lore drifter comes by and dates all protoframes and leaves to another place and date different protoframes💀

[tall echo]

no

[strange turtle]

Time manipulation is conditional and so far has relief on the loop already existing prior. Drifter would actually be less experienced/skilled with their Void powers and warframe usage, only having an edge in personal weapon usage

[tall echo]

also that yeah, drifter doesn't actually control time

[pale cedar]

Operator does die

[dry oracle]

No

[pale cedar]

Yes

[tall echo]

new war

[marble hound]

Dating is optional so... The Drifter is acting like a timeless therapy at this point, making all protoframes not feel "indiferent".

[pale cedar]

This happened in old peace

[woven coyote]

no, again it depends on your choices

[tall echo]

eh?

[dry oracle]

kinda does but they teleports to some place idk what it called

[pale cedar]

Operator died in Old Peace until Adis healed them

[marble hound]

I mean yeah but I'm saying a permanent death like a sacrifice or something.

[pale cedar]

We won’t get a permanent death

[tall echo]

that's a gameplay thing

[iron tiger]

Wait are all the crewmen really men? Why are corpus ships so male-dominated?

[tall echo]

some special units are women

[marble hound]

What are MOAs then?? (joke). We literally have the sisters of parvos

[dry oracle]

There's female units

[tall echo]

liabilities

[iron tiger]

I know there’s female units gang, I’m asking why all the crewmen specifically are men

[dry oracle]

Because men

[iron tiger]

Bruhhhhh

[woven coyote]

combas and scrambus can be female

[dry oracle]

And men lives shorter than female

[woven coyote]

ehhhhh

[iron tiger]

I heard that has to do with testosterone

[pale cedar]

It’s literally just because DE hadn’t made female models when they wrote the word crewman

[marble hound]

Orokins: Welcome to bunker 68!!! (Play Fallout if you don't understand this)

[iron tiger]

That’s so DE, I imagine a good lore reason would be cloning

Maybe the crewman bod is just peak male form

[pale cedar]

Corpus purpose breed not clone

[dry oracle]

Idk probably females are more valuable

[iron tiger]

The grineer are a matriarchal society and they just give the females better equipment

I don’t see why corpus society wouldn’t do something similar

[pale cedar]

They really aren’t

[marble hound]

Doesn't almost the same happen with Corpus? I mean the Sister of Parvos are the highest ranks only below Parvos himself. I am possibly wrong though

[iron tiger]

Two queens, I think by definition they are

[marble hound]

Yeah it's like ants or bees, female queens and almost all male workers

[mental herald]

Sisters of parvos:

[iron tiger]

That’s seems to be a more personal preference about family members than preference of gender within the ranks

[tall echo]

orokin aren't behind the corpus' existence

[woven coyote]

just grabbed it for reference

[iron tiger]

Oh so they’re using eugenics or GMO’s?

[marble hound]

Parvos with his son: Nah I hate you and I wanna kill you (Nef Anyo)
Parvos with his sisters: Come sit with me, I love you 😄 (Vala Glarios)

[woven coyote]

yeah the two(one now) queens that have been the same since the beginning

[strange turtle]

Aside from the whole issue of either one being too big of an aspect of character customisation (and for some people, their enjoyment of their Tenno character) at this point

Neither of them can be sacrificed since both are attached to important bits of content. Drifter for Duviri, Descendia, KIM, dating, and Operator for Perita

Operator and Drifter also allow DE to tackle several plotlines with different stuff at once, as well as stick to the usual/main stuff while also adding content not suitable for the Operator (for example, dating)

[mental herald]

Why is the other queen still alive

[strange turtle]

Probably both

[woven coyote]

we never killed her

[marble hound]

Didn't the Orokin create both the Grineer and Corpus? I'm still learning about the lore sorry for my confusion

[woven coyote]

also power vacuums are bad

[tall echo]

only grineer

[iron tiger]

Only grineer

[mental herald]

I thought they both were connected with the kuva braid hivemind

[strange turtle]

Yeah he is just weirdly fixated on the idea of a sister that is similar to him (as opposed to his brother, who he viewed negatively and as simple)

[tall echo]

corpus exist because parvos granum created a pyramid scheme

[tall echo]

that's. not a thing

[strange turtle]

There’s no kuva hivemind

[iron tiger]

Corpus was founded by parvos granum after he stole a ruby or rubedo

[woven coyote]

kuva has nothing to do with hivemind

[dry oracle]

What if the operator managed to defeat wally what would happen?

[pale cedar]

The British Monarch for 70 years was a Queen

It wasn’t a matriarchal society as many other genders also held positions of power

[marble hound]

Warframe ends idk

[pale cedar]

Same thing for the Grineer

[mental herald]

They have those gross braids and that other woman dove into them so I thought it was some infested like creature inside

[tall echo]

the grineer are matriarchal though

women are preferred

[woven coyote]

huh?

[pale cedar]

Nothing says that

[marble hound]

I mean yeah, but idk it feels like DE is almost screaming at us that one of the two may die, specially drifter with all the Hex constantly mentioning it.

[dry oracle]

Valdur is a clone?

[mental herald]

The other queen dives into something to escape

[iron tiger]

I see what you mean but the only hint we have of another grineer leader at their level is when more mentions the red king

[woven coyote]

he is grineer yes

[tall echo]

all grineer are

[pale cedar]

Grineer Council exists

[woven coyote]

that's just a pool beneath them

[marble hound]

Ooooh, so Parvos was an archimedian or an Orokin?

[tall echo]

player characters will not die

[iron tiger]

Below the queens

[strange turtle]

The Orokin created the Grineer slaves and then militarised them as well later on, then they rebelled when we began killing the Orokin, then got co-opted by the Queens, two Orokin sisters

The Corpus were founded by Parvos, heavily implied to have been manipulated/guided by Wally

[woven coyote]

farmer

[tall echo]

he was a farmer

[dry oracle]

The original grineer must be handsome

[iron tiger]

Matriarchal doesn’t mean no males in power

[pale cedar]

Doesn’t need to be same level to be a position of power

[marble hound]

Thank you

[strange turtle]

As I said, can’t happen. There’s content exclusive too and reliant on them, and way too many people are fans of one or the other in particular to avoid backlash from locking people out from playing as them

[marble hound]

@woven coyote @tall echo Thanks you too

[woven coyote]

you find his story in the pyramid room, gotta donate a granum crown to gain them in order

[iron tiger]

I mean at this point you’re arguing semantics more than warframe lore

[woven coyote]

oh i have to add in the ship iself not in the granum void

[tall echo]

p sure that is said somewhere

[strange turtle]

Np

[iron tiger]

It’s crazy that from 2020-2025 the number of tabs in the codex has absolutely exploded

So many new factions

[pale cedar]

StallordD says it don’t think anywhere in game does

[tall echo]

now I might be misremembering, but I'm almost certain something in the game says that female grineer get better augments etc

[dry oracle]

Parvos born with golden hand?

[tall echo]

no

[dry oracle]

He lost it?

[pale cedar]

No his hand was cut off for being a thief

[tall echo]

a real historical punishment

I think he even got the correct hand cut off

[dry oracle]

Which the original warframes is alive

[pale cedar]

?

[strange turtle]

Kullervo

[pale cedar]

Stalker assuming others weren’t made

[strange turtle]

Wait do you mean the first “generation” - the ones without Tenno pilots, or just the first of each warframe type to be made

[pale cedar]

I think it’s only 2 currently as of known knowledge

[iron tiger]

Honestly that’s seems like some sh$% that would happen in the warframe universe

[marble hound]

Umbra and Stalker, for now that's it

[marble hound]

Would that also count Oraxia?

[pale cedar]

Umbra literally got blown up and you’re missing Kullervo

[dark compass]

Would Chroma also count?

[restive river]

How do people miss that we literally rebuild him lmao

[silk atlas]

Welcome to exactly why this distinction is completely irrelevant lmao

[dark compass]

Pretty sure he was not controlled

[strange turtle]

Right, her too. She’s newer so I keep forgetting

[gaunt helm]

guys I have a small question about ballas, in the fandom it says hes one of the seven, but when you play the second dream you hear margulis asking for his help, and he says theres nothing he can do, then all executors are unanimous in their decision to kill her. Did I read or hear or remember wrong? All i know about margulis comes from spoilers here and there. What I really want to know is if he was an executor why would he not even try to save his love?

[restive river]

Idek if Kullervo’s the original Kullervo or not

[dark compass]

Majority vote

[restive river]

Ballas is stupid and let her die

[gaunt helm]

so it really wasnt unanimous?

[restive river]

Nope, it has to be unanimous
He voted for her to die.

[restive river]

It was

[gaunt helm]

no balls

[pale cedar]

Ballas could’ve saved Margulis but she literally mocked his entire class

[strange turtle]

No that was for The Project stuff

[dark compass]

Oh

[strange turtle]

It’s capital punishment for a crime that has to be unanimous

[restive river]

In Ballas’ eyes she betrayed him basically

[dark compass]

Ok back to my "you're wrong" basement

[gaunt helm]

he lowkey said there was nothing he could do but he couldve like pulled a lavos and transmuted her into like a flower or something to hide her 😭 *

[strange turtle]

Though tbf the rejects did seem to just all get killed so

Very easy mistake

[pale cedar]

Told him the truth he didn’t want to hear

[gaunt helm]

so he really was just whining to umbra about how he let his lover die

[restive river]

He could have just not voted yes and done literally anything else lol

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[gaunt helm]

He really could have, lifetimes to plan his defection didnt give him the foresight he really needed

[pale cedar]

Players actually often miss he planned Naga Drums in the first place

[gaunt helm]

oof dont kno what that means, didnt get that far

[silk atlas]

I figure the reason he voted yes was so that he didn't paint a target on his back since everyone else voted yes. Still absolutely awful planning on his part.

[strange turtle]

Do keep in mind, according to Roathe, personal lackey to the Executor who had plans to kill everyone and had him heavily involved in them, Ballas was one of the most powerful among them, and had made himself a “first among equals”

[restive river]

In his eyes she did betray him though since she loved the tenno and to Ballas nobody can love anyone but him lmao

[gaunt helm]

ah, damn so he put the opposite of that into the narmer veils in the new war 😭 , man this guy really sucks

[pale cedar]

Do you know we killed the Orokin yet?

[swift sentinel]

Even in the Old Peace, Ballad seemed to position himself as the moderate in the Seven, which would give him a lot of soft power over any votes they'd have to take.

[restive river]

Even aside from that it had to he unanimous lol
I also find it funny that he was one of the most powerful and somehow one of the least terrible

[gaunt helm]

yea that makes most sense, but still what a guy man

[restive river]

He bloooows

[gaunt helm]

lmfao

[swift sentinel]

Ballas is the definition of a weak man

[gaunt helm]

on that note it is strange how his right arm is longer than the left, almost like its specialised for something

[strange turtle]

Yeah but with this he doesn’t even have the excuse some people say of it being easier because avoiding backlash or retaliation, because he would’ve had the sway to just negate that, mostly if not entirely

[iron tiger]

Yk I just realized ordis knew us when we first awakened which means we met him during the old war

[restive river]

Oh yeah lmao
No he did it likely due to her betraying him in her eyes
Also with the Old Peace maybe cause she protected his would be assassin and hid their identity?

[pale cedar]

Old War

[iron tiger]

lol 😂

[loud oriole]

Orokin tradition, it's the equivalent of wearing Versace or high dollar brand items to show wealth/power

-# just like the dyeing of their skin to ne blue

[ocean geyser]

It’s essentially decorative instead of specialized

[iron tiger]

Do you guys consider the corpus cyberpunk

[ocean geyser]

I guess if you add the Solaris in, yeah

[proper barn]

Solaris aren't

Necessarily Corpus.

Also most Solaris have robot parts not cuz they want to.

[strange turtle]

I’d count them as part of the like, general Corpus civilisation/society

[proper barn]

Same reason they have blue skin. Very vain and they just wanna. They are the "royals" "ruiling class" and as we know ruiling classes are evil.

Inheritly

[proper barn]

I said he's not just cuz Cuz Chipper hates the Corpus and calls himself a Solaris.

[gaunt helm]

imagine reaching the salt with one hand but not the other 😭

[loud oriole]

"high five! now down low. now up high, oh wait" - one of the 'modified' orokin, probably

[fast dew]

Reaching for the salt and knocking everything off the table

Real reason for Albrecht's normal arm

[ocean geyser]

It’s more an association by vague affiliation
The Solaris aren’t corpus but most of their tech and architecture is of Corpus design

[strange turtle]

Must’ve been great for scratching itches though

[ocean geyser]

Although they’ve made plenty of their own stuff yes

[fast dew]

Oh absolutely. Hypermobility on that arm would suck ass tho

[restive river]

They are corpus actually

[loud oriole]

or reaching stuff off the top shelf in the Orokin version of Aldi's

[restive river]

Like technically they’re Corpus and also Solaris

[gaunt helm]

fr bro, he knew something no one else could comprehend

[gaunt helm]

actually your right, suddenly I can see the wisdom

btw did you guys pick operator or drifter

im so torn rn

[fast dew]

Operator

[restive river]

You doing the new war rn?

[loud oriole]

Albrecht didn't need a long arm because his ||late wife|| and Loid took care of his back scratching

[gaunt helm]

yesss, its so cool

[restive river]

He wasn’t the only Orokin with normal arms

[gaunt helm]

ooh

[fast dew]

Oh i fw that

[fast dew]

Nah but it is funny and he was the first

[restive river]

The choice is more so for what comes next, dialogue differences n all that
I went with Drifter iirc

[gaunt helm]

but then how do they scratch backs? 😭 you need the long arm for this

[fast dew]

It does seem to be a minority choice

[gaunt helm]

if im understanding right their both the same person from different realities right?

[restive river]

Lmao we do not know if he was the first

[gaunt helm]

wouldnt it make more sense to pick the operator to help as he is more connected to the lotus?

[restive river]

Close enough yeah

[fast dew]

... game wise

[restive river]

They were the same person up until the deal

[gaunt helm]

ah so he really didnt shake on that

[restive river]

Then they had two completely different timelines

[strange turtle]

No he did

[restive river]

Oh both took the deal

[strange turtle]

He just messed around because if the wording with the drifter

[restive river]

It’s just in one version of the deal we got powers and in the other we didn’t

[gaunt helm]

but he still ended up stuck regardless?

[restive river]

Operator was saved
Drifter was not

[strange turtle]

“All of them”. He never actually said we’d be included

[gaunt helm]

damn thats tough 😭

[restive river]

Drifter wasn’t saved cause no powers
If you haven’t yet play the Duviri Paradox as that covers things

Though you will prob come back here with questions lol

[gaunt helm]

really the devil is that dude

[gaunt helm]

I did play duviri, but I was really confused as to why they looked the same, I thought it was like the operator went into the void and ended up like that with teshin and all but now im even more confused

[proper barn]

They have so many servants

And such they aren't doing that.

[proper barn]

Okay so.

You know the Zariman incident?

[ocean geyser]

Teshin ended up there because he also got sucked into the void portal
At the beginning of new war
You don’t necessarily SEE him go in but he does

[gaunt helm]

only from spoilers so far

[ocean geyser]

Yikes

[restive river]

Tysm for being here Vinny, i gotta go so I can’t explain rn

[gaunt helm]

oh i thought he was killed by erra

[proper barn]

We it's told you before.

[ocean geyser]

He was like
90% dead

[restive river]

Erra is really bad at doing most anything correctly

[gaunt helm]

haha my friends play the game so I know a little bit from them

[proper barn]

@gaunt helm ANYWAY the Zariman incident Is when the ship the Zariman tried to do a hyperspace jump and failed.

[restive river]

He would have died if not for the Duvirians, specifically Mathila iirc who nursed him back to health

[gaunt helm]

okay so erra couldnt kill teshin and then he got taken by ballas? bro just has a way with the sentients huh

[restive river]

Erra fell for his silver tongue

[gaunt helm]

mathila sounds familiar, im not quite sure who that is though

[proper barn]

@gaunt helm okay so We are going one point at time this part make sense?

[ocean geyser]

I think Erra managed to do SOME damage because duviri teshin has those glowing face scars

So I guess his helmet caved inwards and gouged his face

[gaunt helm]

ah i remember the cutscene after the quiz

[proper barn]

Everyone wait a second I wanna go small points

[gaunt helm]

i got all answers right first try hehehe

[restive river]

Joy Courtier
Happy lady with a pink mask from Duviri

[gaunt helm]

ah that makes sense

[proper barn]

Yes. So when that happened all the parents with kids went insane and tried to kill everyone.

[gaunt helm]

ohh your right, thats her

[proper barn]

Got that?

[gaunt helm]

yup, crazy parents

[restive river]

(See the Rell comic for what the incident was like beyond the New War quest)

[gaunt helm]

its because the other kids failed their quiz right

[restive river]

No lol

[gaunt helm]

theres a rell comic?>??

[restive river]

Yup!
There’s many comics

[ocean geyser]

There’s a ghouls comic too

[proper barn]

Well everyone's parents. Only the adults with kids but yes. So the ship was stuck in the Void. The operator makes a deal with the man in the wall to "save everyone" which means take the ship out of the Void. @gaunt helm

[restive river]

https://www.warframe.com/media

[proper barn]

Does this make sense?

[restive river]

That is not what Wally meant what

[gaunt helm]

the man in the wall, thats a big spoiler right?

[proper barn]

No? He's in the second dream.

[restive river]

He saved them by giving them powers, not by getting the ship out of the void

[proper barn]

Yes and no.

[gaunt helm]

no i mean that title specifically

[restive river]

War within and chains of harrow
Not second dream

[gaunt helm]

not the rap tap tap

[restive river]

You first hear it in chains of harrow

The rap tap tap is also wally

[proper barn]

War within I'm owned.

[ocean geyser]

He shows up when you make a decision about the kuva staff

[gaunt helm]

oh, i shouldve been more attentive, i always thought he was the indifference or the abyss that stared back from that quest 😭

[restive river]

I mean yes, he isn’t responsible for the ship leaving the void
Bro made a deal with us
Gave the kids void powers
And dipped

[restive river]

He is

[proper barn]

Drifters ship never came out of the Void though.

[restive river]

Wally has
Many names :)

[gaunt helm]

he sounds chill, i guess he's the wally person right?

[fast dew]

... he is in fact, not chill

[restive river]

It would have to though, the other kids had to escape somehow

[ocean geyser]

He could have teleported them out somehow

[fast dew]

||yk the whole insane parents right? That's uh. That's Wally's doing.||

[proper barn]

Drifter is alone in their Zariman.

[proper barn]

Yes.

[restive river]

They weren’t always though lol

[gaunt helm]

oh i thought they just lost their minds because the void naturally

i suppose then the void is conscious?

[frank verge]

You know what I'd love for Christmas? An entire Bible of Warframe from all the lore and short stories and stuff

[restive river]

||they can watch their parents DIE from the other kids killing them||

[gaunt helm]

and thats man in wall?

[restive river]

No, the void is not wally.

[fast dew]

The void usually just kills. Wally is what causes those issues, not the void iirc

[gaunt helm]

oh whoa, thats dark

[proper barn]

@gaunt helm Anyway the point is when the operator makes the deal in the Zariman to be saved that's when the like "divergent" point happens. The tenno get saved and get out and the Drifter does not.

[gaunt helm]

so wally is an entity thats like an original tenno? someone who has these powers but is not the void?

[narrow pendant]

if you know warhammer, the void is the warp while wally is chaos/ a chaosgod

[proper barn]

Drifter says "your the one that gets saved from all this Shit and I'm not"

[gaunt helm]

the eternalism theory from the entrati lady right? both possibilities are equally true

[ocean geyser]

No

You’ll understand it a lot more when you get to the end of the New War

Just keep one thing in mind

[proper barn]

Yeah. This specifically is that.

[fast dew]

Remember the deal we made? Wally can do the shit we can because we use his power or whatever

[gaunt helm]

w reference, wally is like tzeench

[ocean geyser]

WALLY IS NOT A PERSON

[gaunt helm]

ah i see

[fast dew]

Wally is very much a "person"

[gaunt helm]

oh makes sense

[ocean geyser]

Not in a conventional sense

Person as in “human” i mean

Because
He’s not

[gaunt helm]

ah, i guess hes still primoridal

[fast dew]

Also. Mother also wrote the book of Duviri :)

[gaunt helm]

well it is an entity of sorts, which rescued tenno and created a point of divergence

and the divergence coalesced in the new war

or to some extent atleast

[ocean geyser]

You can go play Whispers and Angels of the Zarminan to get caught up too tbh

[fast dew]

That word makes me have doom lore flashbacks holy shit 😭

[ocean geyser]

When you’re done new waring

[gaunt helm]

mother is lotus?

[ocean geyser]

What

[pale cedar]

No

[fast dew]

Mother as in mother entrati

[patent cargo]

mother from deimos

[gaunt helm]

ohhhh wait sorry forgot for a second

[fast dew]

Lady who speaks about eternalism and all that

[ocean geyser]

Lmao

[gaunt helm]

wait A.entrati is mother?

[fast dew]

She narrates duviri bcs she wrote duviri

[fast dew]

E.entrati is, A.entrati is her dad.

Who is very important later on

[gaunt helm]

i though that was grandmother, mother is interesting if she did that

[pale cedar]

The class players never payed attention to

[gaunt helm]

ohh your right there were two authors on beyond the wall of lohk or whatever it was

[gaunt helm]

I paidd attentionnn, my parents in the zariman werent dissappointed at least!

[fast dew]

Palimpsest of Spacetime is the one you're thinking of

[strange turtle]

He also “killed” Varzia with the same move, and she got put in cryo and healed.

[fast dew]

"Beyond the wall of lohk" is her Father's autobiography it seems. Or... feels to be. By the name at least

[pale cedar]

Erra casually being 0-2

[gaunt helm]

oh really? i thought it was the lohk wall or something but i guess i wasnt paying enough attention 😭

with all their work on lohk and reality, youd think they were the leading experts on the void, which they probably are, i have no idea

[fast dew]

They absolutely are.

[patent cargo]

they are

[gaunt helm]

ah makes sense

[fast dew]

I wouldn't call this a spoiler but I'll spoiler it anyways, ||Mother wrote duviri as a way to teach kids how to control their emotions when in the void, to avoid something called conceptual embodiment||

[pale cedar]

Drifter read it and it didn’t work

[fast dew]

Which... ironically got conceptually embodied

[gaunt helm]

ooh thats interesting, ||so emotions did change things in the void, really breaks everything i guess huh||

[ocean geyser]

We should tell her about it sometime
If she even remembers writing Duviri

[patent cargo]

she probably doesn't if she forgot her own name

[gaunt helm]

is grandmother the wife of a.entrati or is the different side?

[fast dew]

||her father, Albrecht, has it in his netracells (super hard to get into and where he stores his most prized items||

[gaunt helm]

i cannot remember if she said father was her son or nnot

[fast dew]

Nup, that's father's mother

[gaunt helm]

Yooooooo grandmother is a warframeeee?????

[fast dew]

We need to update this with the new names and the new last names for father's side of the family

[patent cargo]

no she just gave her name to the warframe

[gaunt helm]

ooh sounds interesting, must be like an endgame item?

[gaunt helm]

oh bruh

[fast dew]

Nup. Its just the book

He also has her token, daughter's and grandmother's

[strange turtle]

You get it as a reward for the Duviri Paradox

[gaunt helm]

well i guess that about clears allmy questions so far, other than how ballas commands erra, but I suppose ill find out by finishing the new war right now

[gaunt helm]

oh

[strange turtle]

The netracells are full of mundane items with sentimental value to Albrecht

[gaunt helm]

oh, I thought i only got the sun and moon and some other things

[fast dew]

A cat bed and toy, the vagabond mask, a fire extinguisher, a coffee machine, and... highlighters. Prized possessions of Albrecht Entrati

[gaunt helm]

is this like a play on albert einstein with the a and e or

[fast dew]

Kinda

[gaunt helm]

cultured man clearly

[fast dew]

There's a lot that goes into Albrecht's name

[proper barn]

We actually know his wife's name now.

[fast dew]

We need to update it 😭

[gaunt helm]

albrechts?

[proper barn]

Yes

[fast dew]

Mhm. It was ||an arranged marriage though||

[gaunt helm]

ooh what is it

[proper barn]

His beard as it where.

[gaunt helm]

oh is that bad?

[strange turtle]

There’s Albert Einstein, Johann Albrecht Bengel (Bengel being our Albrecht’s childhood nickname)

[proper barn]

Also we still don't know if she died or something.

[strange turtle]

We do

[fast dew]

... yes 😭 ||historically arranged marriages are not good||

[strange turtle]

Idk any others

[gaunt helm]

oh interesting

[fast dew]

||Died right after Euleria's birth||

[gaunt helm]

I should really go ask someone out 😭

[fast dew]

Remember its bengel, not Bengal

[gaunt helm]

like the country/state?

wait so what is her name

[fast dew]

... Bengal like that cat, is the wrong spelling. The proper one means brat or rascal in german

[gaunt helm]

ohh, interesting nickname

[patent cargo]

yeah that fits albrecht pretty well

[fast dew]

Hes being called little rascal/brat by his mother lol

[gaunt helm]

is germany the country with the scary childrens stories btw? like the guy that steals thumbs? atleast albrecht had a cool mom ig huh

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[gaunt helm]

I hope I get to beat ballas in the new war. I cant believe he went from being collared to being a king

[fast dew]

:)

[silk atlas]

A lot of countries have scary children stories. The Spanish have one about a woman who drowns kids in rivers (It's a tale to stop kids from playing around rivers where they could drown without a witness).

[pale cedar]

You fell for the deception

[fast dew]

Germany is just the most common one

[gaunt helm]

damn, i dont know if a witness would do a lot in that situation 😭

oh wait responded to the wrong one

[pale cedar]

lol

[gaunt helm]

That makes sense i suppose, im gonna go finish the quest right now and see for myself

[waxen mesa]

So what's yall's consensus? Is the indifference real or purely a product of conceptual embodiment

[fast dew]

Both

[dark compass]

Are things created by CE not real

[waxen mesa]

We are considering real to mean had existed before albrecht

[dark compass]

😔

Ah

[stiff beacon]

Probably

[dark compass]

The roathe debate

[silk atlas]

Then no

[waxen mesa]

I think the indifference is the void given body. It always existed but in shapeless form. Albrecht simply taught the void about existence and so the void made a body and suddenly found itself curious about existence

[dark compass]

Like that one cursed doctor who episode

[restive river]

Yeah I know lol
And yet they saw their parents die from the other kids

[proper barn]

yee

[restive river]

We once believed that all the other kids just vanished on Drifter’s end but we know that to not be true

Also during the Duviri Paradox we see little moments with the Drifter on the Zariman post incident iirc

[limpid crane]

What did Valdur mean when he said "I was meant to make sure, but I couldn't, Tenno"

[silk atlas]

That you both died

[thick yacht]

Damn man.

Marie’s story is sad as hell

💔

[limpid crane]

He's the goat then for not killing the tenno, and burying adis

[coral mirage]

Hiya, Happy Holidays everyone.
Imma stay for just one post becuase I dont want any spoilers, but I got to say that reveal after The Stalker was phenomenal.
I did kinda see something coming because I did the Dominus Thrax quest before that (I cant rememeber the name) and put some pieces together.

But Warframe has an outstanding execution.

10/10

[proper barn]

what quest are you on?

[coral mirage]

Post Stalker, havent started it yet, saw the cinematic though

[proper barn]

what is the quest name?

[strange plinth]

sounds like TSD?

[coral mirage]

Had to boot up.
-The War Within-

[coral mirage]

The War Within

[proper barn]

is Stalker

in the WAR WITHIN?

[strange plinth]

no, but he was in TSD
which is what i think they're talking about, saw the reveal of TSD and is now on TWW

[coral mirage]

Ill be frank, im trying to not spoil things but since i saw lore, well, i imagined that instrisincly this is pretty much a post game thread?

[strange plinth]

beware of spoilers, yes
but its not like you aren't able to be here either

[proper barn]

People ask questions from all parts. we avoid talking about spoilers a bit.

Spoiler chat it's just always FLYING.

though.

[coral mirage]

like i said, i wanted to just focus on that part of the storytelling medium.
At that point in time, after you;re done with Stalker, it feels everything is put together

[proper barn]

yee.

[coral mirage]

your voice, your choices (while yours but still your personality) its cohesive

[loud oriole]

and if we do we make sure to spoiler tag crucial things such as ||Batman dies ||in The Old War

[coral mirage]

like extremely cohesive

still need some insight on how Drifter and The Operator all makes sense, but still doing it

[proper barn]

answers for later.

[coral mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-talking-speaking-metal-gear-solid-mgs-gif-6804335146116290788

Also, love that this is canon across the multiverse

[proper barn]

any current questions?

idk if it's a multiverse but we currently argue about about that here lmao.

[coral mirage]

The game is one of those "I will answer things in the next chapter" type of games right?

[proper barn]

depending.

[coral mirage]

So far things make sense, kinda...

[waxen mesa]

If you mean drifter then no

[proper barn]

we might not have a answer.

[waxen mesa]

By the end of new war you should already know

[proper barn]

WELL @waxen mesa

they aren't at New war yet.

it's fine.

[loud oriole]

ehhhh sort of some stuff gets left up in the air because DE cooks too hard and realizes that it doesn't have any vessel to carry the sauce

[proper barn]

i think most gets touched on later.

but that's just me. But anyway.

when is the sacrifiace?

[coral mirage]

I mean, so far, its been intuitive and overly well explained.
There was you, you got powers in void, and they weaponize you, and then Lotus saved you.
Now we wake up (twice) and try to put everything together because SOMEBODY messed things up

[proper barn]

the sacrifice is fun.

[waxen mesa]

Scarfaceifice

[coral mirage]

Also, a sentient intelligence inside a sword? Love it

[proper barn]

the sentient sentient sword.

[coral mirage]

Gotta say, Nef was a great villain

Starscream with humongous inferiority complex

[waxen mesa]

Nef ayno is our little pathetic man

[loud oriole]

no Captain Vor is a good villain

[proper barn]

NEF IS A GOOD VILLAIN.

he's so funny that we keep bulling him.

[coral mirage]

Like... what his name? Tyl? THe next one?

he was fun, he mocked you. but the lines were few and far between

Nef? Man i wanted to punch him in the face everytime

[proper barn]

this isn't story related but in a different like "hub" or something related to Fortuna

nef is just so like depressed

that we keep stopping him. he's so upset.

he legit just is like "Please can i win this one?"

it's so funny.

[coral mirage]

his Dad is a total... PG CENSORSHIP... just saying.
Im not your friend, dont call me that.

[proper barn]

his Dad is also very Evil yes.

[waxen mesa]

Nef is more or less the tenno's main rival

[coral mirage]

He fits, while we for the most part, are growing and maturing

hes stuck in that part that could never overcome fear

and hes insecure as hell

[waxen mesa]

Alad V is the washed up old rival

Barely relevant and 90% of his lore was from operations that no longer exist

[coral mirage]

like did i miss something? Where did he come from?
Lotus got an email and this guy comes on my screen and he thinks hes the protag
Dude, im the protag, well the Operator, but wut?

[waxen mesa]

Alad is our on again off again ally except you wouldn't know that because 90% of his lore no longer is in game accessible

[proper barn]

are you not supposed to ahve

[waxen mesa]

But the game expects you to know anyway

[proper barn]

done his boss fight?

yet? i know they do introductions now.

[coral mirage]

wait, what? Why?

[waxen mesa]

Alad v is also currently MIA

[waxen mesa]

Relic from old warframe

[coral mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-memes-meme-gif-17950413

So far though, things are making sense... for now...

Wait, one question: How old are we? Like Hundreds? Thousands years old?
Just checking on something

[waxen mesa]

We don't know for sure

But operator is mentally younger as the majority of their chronological age was spent in cryo sleep

[coral mirage]

alright ball park at a 100 becuase well, plot and it explains the current state of the solar system

[waxen mesa]

Mentally operator is probably still a teenage. Albeit a really messed up one

[coral mirage]

and physically, i mean he carried himself, itself

[strange plinth]

there's a line from varzia (somewhat reinforced later) that says its been around a thousand years

[coral mirage]

felt bad for the warframe when it put down How

[fast dew]

Hunhow..

Such a fun name. Nice to pronounce

[coral mirage]

the Dad in me wants to know, do we get a How, Who, When joke later?

like it's so obvious

[fast dew]

Nup, not to my knowledge, unfortunately.

[coral mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/why-persian-room-cat-guardian-but-why-trendizisst-anyaboz-gif-2156104475561014590

[fast dew]

But, we do get sort of a joke done by a father later on that many people wouldn't know of, but it counts for me

[coral mirage]

I do have one question, how can you be a "Pseudo Tenno" ? Because from what I can tell... i mean, Teshin is clearly something different. Its this a culture thing?

[restive river]

Hunhow’s not really the jokey type atm

[fast dew]

Teshin is a Dax, they came before the tenno

[restive river]

Teshin is a dax, basically a superhuman soldier

[coral mirage]

And just... HOW is that possible?

[fast dew]

... he is a dax yeah

[strange plinth]

comparing teshin to a tenno, but in worse quality, essentially

[coral mirage]

ah

dankeshen

[restive river]

He’s stuck at the bottom of a methane sea, both his kids betrayed him and his roommate left.

[loud oriole]

Teshin is Johnathan Dax

[ocean geyser]

Not every dad has that energy unfortunately

[fast dew]

John prodman....

[ocean geyser]

He was instead very racist until recently

[coral mirage]

missed the joke guys LOL

[restive river]

100 dax are equivalent to a tenno and their Warframe (this isn’t exact by any means)

[fast dew]

Racist space grandpa

[ocean geyser]

Factual

[restive river]

Still maybe is!
We’ll work on it ig

[fast dew]

Well it's more xenophobia but yk

[strange plinth]

-# they're around war within atm, just for reference

[coral mirage]

Oh man, that was just factual, when it was shown he was the sword, i was like "Ok, i want that"

got half of it, but still cool

[restive river]

Technically he’s a different race to humanity so

[fast dew]

Great news! You can get the full one!

[restive river]

You can complete it

[coral mirage]

that made my day

[loud oriole]

although half War is a pretty decent blade

[fast dew]

There's a cooler sword tho. Nihil's sword... ouhh

[coral mirage]

i usually get weapons to try once or twice, more of a Fist guy because of the obviosu monk pun (and I box, so double the incentive)

[ocean geyser]

Although full war isn’t the best of weapons
I hear impact on a blade is pretty weird
Tbh it is
Why does this sword bonk people instead of stab them bro

[restive river]

Check out Baruuk

[loud oriole]

irl baruuk main 🙏

[coral mirage]

checkin'

[restive river]

Hunhow’s a bonker not a stabber

[ocean geyser]

If Marcel Santos is your real name then i’d say you seem like a guy who would box

[restive river]

He gonna bop ya on the head

[ocean geyser]

Old man forgot how to make swords

Should have given Stalker a hammer smh

[restive river]

Old man IS the sword

[fast dew]

Vitrica! That's the name of nihil's sword

[restive river]

||if we fed the sword xenoflora it’d become an independent being||

[ocean geyser]

Yeah but he had to make it first

[ocean geyser]

Fire

[restive river]

Me when I rip out some of my bones to make a sword

Isn’t Nataruk literally one of his kid’s spines or something

[ocean geyser]

Talking swords are always good

[restive river]

Agreed

[loud oriole]

idk why we use the foundry when we could harness the power of Hunhow

[coral mirage]

it is, im past the point of pseunonyms, im me, its easier to be 100% transparent

[restive river]

He’s stuck at the bottom of a methane ocean-

[fast dew]

Look how cool it is..

And nihil just had this

[ocean geyser]

We could go visit

[restive river]

Also the sentients can’t make things like the foundry does
The foundry can make/manipulate infested matter, specifically the Warframes which are powered by the void which is toxic to the sentients

[strange plinth]

my favorite part of vitrica is how half of it doesn't exist on my discord settings

[restive river]

I’m not going to see grandpa every time I want to make an item 😭

[fast dew]

Nihil wasn't even special he just had jt

[restive river]

That’s like an excuse he’d make up so we could go see him lol

[restive river]

He was, he made the cephalon project

[ocean geyser]

I mean he’s the dude that turned people into glass brain robots bro

[coral mirage]

So Baruuk = Pacifist Monk? Well, less on the Pacifist unless it means punch you in the face of incoming genocide. then sure, pacifism it is

[fast dew]

I mean like. Executor special yk

[loud oriole]

he is the Glassmaker after all

[ocean geyser]

I mean
He kinda executed people

[restive river]

He’s a pacifist until you make him angry enough and then he passes his fist through their faces :)

[fast dew]

But he wasn't an executor smh

[ocean geyser]

Didn’t we use to think he WAS an Executor?

It’s possible he was promoted post Old Peace

[coral mirage]

Sold

[fast dew]

Yeah they silently retconned that

[ocean geyser]

Grr

[restive river]

Yes, it seems to have been retconned or a mistake on the writer’s team

[strange plinth]

yea he was an executor according to some KIM dialogue for a year and then got demoted

[fast dew]

Im so sad

My boy nihil is just weird 💔

He is so pretty tho

[restive river]

I’m more so sad cause so many of the seven are already confirmed dead-

[ocean geyser]

Maybe DE forgot how many Executors they had and then had to shaft him

[fast dew]

Biting the glass on his arm

[ocean geyser]

Whar

[restive river]

This does mean we could maybe get two members of the seven later
If they lived

[loud oriole]

yeah i love how baruuk's entire kit is "you don't want to hit me, you seriously do not want to hit me"

[fast dew]

He has glass on parts of his body, his long arm has some

[restive river]

No they def knew, I think the writer just make a mistake tbh

[fast dew]

His neck has some too

[ocean geyser]

I’m mainly whar’ing at you biting it

[fast dew]

Oh

[restive river]

I remember the devstream where they debuted him
He had an edge meter

[fast dew]

Sensory stuff

[ocean geyser]

Are you biting it because glass or is there something gay about it-
Okay that works too

[fast dew]

Biting things is a sensory yes

Its horrid

[fast dew]

Bit of both but if it was gay I'd be going for the neck

[restive river]

Nihil is crunchy
Like glass

[fast dew]

Sugar glass..

[restive river]

I do recall even DE thirsting over Nihil so

[fast dew]

THEH DID

[restive river]

Mhm

[strange plinth]

what

[fast dew]

WHAT

[strange plinth]

i don't blame them but what

[fast dew]

IM NOT ALONE IN THINKING HES PRETTY

[restive river]

I think they called him handsome if nothing else

[fast dew]

He has some of the best examples of orokin skin 😭

[restive river]

Rebb and Megan iirc

I am
Not going back to check rn

But it would be in whatever stream they first showed him

[restive river]

Speaking of
When are we getting a green or purple orokin

[fast dew]

God how long ago was that?

[restive river]

Cause apparently those are options

[fast dew]

Imagine if Karrish was ourple

[restive river]

I believe pre covid but I may be mistaken
It has been a long while

[restive river]

I kinda want him to be that super pale white so he’s just the guy from Dune

[fast dew]

Thats almost 7 years ago 😭

[restive river]

I’m old!

[fast dew]

Unfortunately I aint but I still remember 2019

Horrifically.

[restive river]

Bro

If you were around in 2019
You’re old

Like for Warframe lol

[fast dew]

... homie I'm 19

I aint old 😭

[restive river]

I mean for Warframe

[fast dew]

Ohhh

[restive river]

6 years is a long time to play a game lol

[fast dew]

I'm older than warframe hehe

[restive river]

No I mean your time playing the game lol

[fast dew]

Oh, it wasn't exactly me playing

[restive river]

I would also hope so

[fast dew]

Lotta watching my brother play

[restive river]

When’d you start

[fast dew]

Oh, last year actually, but I was aware of it for a while

[restive river]

You ain’t old

[fast dew]

Also hell do I mean unfortunately I aint old my whole body is trying to explode rn and I aint even old

[strange plinth]

home devstream 2? might be the first time the glassmaker is mentioned

[fast dew]

Haven't even hit my 20s and my spine got mucked up by moving yesterday

[ocean geyser]

Smh spine properly you goober

[fast dew]

Idek how i hurt it 😭 I be feeling like Albrecht post void incident fr

[restive river]

I may be wrong actually since I checked and nothin
It may be from a prime time or another stream idk

This is 5 year old info at the least

They did call him handsome squidward tho

[strange plinth]

ah i'm not checking primetimes
way too many
plus that does sound like something they'd call him so i'm inclined to believe it lol

[restive river]

Same lol

Tbh I could be confusing it with any other time they expressed interest in a character

[stiff beacon]

Garuda lore be on the "eh we'll get to it later" shelf along with the 3rd orb, up until recently the orokin emperors and the rest of the 7

The actual fundamental origins on the orokin and the infestation

[dark compass]

"origin of the infestation" sounds like a story for a whole post-Wally chapter

[stiff beacon]

I mean maybe

But counter point

We got deadlock

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/mouthbreather-mouth-breather-ivy-ivy-deadlock-hop-on-deadlock-gif-12426679565478135986