lore-discussion

[drowsy saddle]

would the cathedral count as the oldest structure in warframe?

[thick yacht]

Also, we have a high ranking Orokin in Roathe, possibly the highest ranking one left alive, and he’s decent enough of a person… admittedly it took a while after his acts of immense super-violence that led to him being called the “Devil of Tau”.

[restive river]

Kahl and SM show the best side of the Grineer for sure

[fast dew]

Probably, oldest we've been in

[thick yacht]

But he’s proof enough that redemption is possible

[fast dew]

HA

He never liked the orokin.

He never liked being one.

[drowsy saddle]

looks like even the orokin couldn't tolerate slop manufacturing

[fast dew]

Thats the difference.

[restive river]

He’s probably the least decent protoframe we know tbh, bro’s still an Orokin
But he’s forced to face his mortality and the fact his time is, for the first time ever, limited.

He, like the Entrati family are forced to change

[fast dew]

You quite literally need them to be severely traumatised by something to cause someone to be redeemed. At least with the pattern we've seen.

[drowsy saddle]

roathe is supposed to be the stand in for Albrecht and Orokin society as a whole, for the question of "Can the Orokin be forgiven?"

[restive river]

Roathe is more redeemable than Ballas (for example)
And this is why

[pale cedar]

The 7 are irredeemable

[restive river]

Roathe actually saw the issues with the empire, he just also wanted power like any other Orokin

[drowsy saddle]

roathe is self conscious enough to not want to be redeemed

[restive river]

Dagath’s polycule are irredeemable too

[fast dew]

Many orokin liked being an orokin. Liked killing children. Thats pretty irredeemable

[fast dew]

Fr. Screw them mfs they deserve worse than getting glassed.

[thick yacht]

He came from a society that would be considered abhorrent and he’s up against a literal priest and nun, and people who’d if not for being transformed would probably be no different than the average person you meet today

1999 isn’t far off from 2025

[drowsy saddle]

say orokin, i hear you like em young

[pale cedar]

Can the Queen be forgiven yet?

[dark compass]

Albrecht too busy with his shenanigans. Thinks about his past mistakes as orokin, tells to himself
"I need to figure out if my actions are redeemable"
Steals some other orokin schmuck and throws him into an isolated space, looking at what happens and learning on another person's mistakes

[thick yacht]

The Grineer Queen? No

[ashen pulsar]

can we release the Yuvan List already

[thick yacht]

She’s done nothing to deserve forgiveness and in fact doubled down

[fast dew]

.... its not set in 1999, for one and yeah. They're gonna be different. They're several centuries away from our current time

[fast dew]

... like most orokin do.

[drowsy saddle]

quite literally an outside perspective...

[restive river]

And yet of all the protoframes he’s the only one that has killed children to live longer

[fast dew]

Why won't you acknowledge they are orokin?

[dark compass]

"can the Orokin be forgiven?"
Idk I'll throw someone else I don't have time to figure that out

[pale cedar]

Are we even considered older than the people of 1999 technically?

[restive river]

Drifter would be yes

[fast dew]

He literally stayed in xx99 for about 3 years to find redemption wdym

[drowsy saddle]

timey wimey slimey shenaniganery

[ashen pulsar]

hmmmmm seems like a pretty orokin move

[dark compass]

Oh? I must've not seen that part

[restive river]

More like he wanted a break lol

[drowsy saddle]

blud goes on a 3 year sabatical to find god on his quest to defeat an eldritch entity

[fast dew]

This shit got me actually listening to the Albrecht playlist and lowkey realising how hard it is to be mad while listening to 90s music

[thick yacht]

They are more Grineer than Orokin at this point in time

[restive river]

Albrecht’s guilt is immense though, which is why he would seek redemption

[fast dew]

No, they're orokin

Their minds are orokin. They did continuity on grineer bodies.

[dark compass]

They sure don't think about themselves as Grineer

[ashen pulsar]

…those can both be true dude

[fast dew]

They also still function as orokin, being able to command a dax.

[restive river]

The Grineer queens are/were literally Orokin

[ashen pulsar]

isn’t that a trait of kuva tho

[restive river]

They’re baby’s first Orokin to kill

[restive river]

Yup, which only the Orokin really use

[fast dew]

I've had far too many arguments about if he feels guilt. For some reason.

[drowsy saddle]

the Hex teaches the drifter to love, the Triad teaches forgiveness, what's next on Albrecht's emotionally scarred and traumatizing life lessons?

[restive river]

Oh he for sure does

[fast dew]

He thinks himself like a wet rat and thats funny to me

[restive river]

His guilt does not wave away his horrid actions ofc but it’s a step further than 99% of all Orokin before and after him lol

[fast dew]

Self acceptance?

[drowsy saddle]

that be blunt

[pale cedar]

Albrecht has an ego or is a narcissist arguments still make no sense

[fast dew]

It fits

[restive river]

Operator got to face the horrors!

[fast dew]

Bcs people lack media literacy!

[restive river]

Albrecht is the least terrible Orokin
Still terrible just in a different way when compared to the Seven for instance

[fast dew]

Acceptance of their trauma is one way tbf

[drowsy saddle]

albrecht is flipping through therapy and self help books trying to find the right positive emotion that'll defeat the Indifferenc

[ashen pulsar]

saved

[fast dew]

I mean, it is working

[restive river]

Ye
Also reclaiming these deeply important and meaningful memories

[drowsy saddle]

cause he's the traumatized and not the traumatizing

[dark compass]

We will defeat the indifference by hugging the fake kiddo

[restive river]

To face our past and it’s truth we defy Wally further, we are not indifferent to what happened but acknowledge it

[fast dew]

Still wonder why Albrecht even has the dark refractory

[dark compass]

You don't have a trauma bath at your home?

[fast dew]

Hell he trying to remember

[fast dew]

I do actually

[dark compass]

See

[fast dew]

But thats a whole thing for a whole other reason

[drowsy saddle]

that's just a bath

[restive river]

Oh no he’s still traumatizing people, he just also is traumatized lol

[ashen pulsar]

no, there’s probably less terrible ones rn. his descendants, perhaps?

[drowsy saddle]

i swear if we find a "Hurt people hurt people" life lesson sign in the next update...

[fast dew]

Ehh. Daughter still does say that slur randomly

[restive river]

The Entrati family are terrible in their own unique way

[fast dew]

No please no

[restive river]

Same slur Roathe uses too

[fast dew]

Mother is abusive

Thats just a fact

[drowsy saddle]

son is a sociopath

[ocean geyser]

Someone’s gotta get Vilcor’s arm back bro

[fast dew]

Stabbing your husband is domestic abuse

[restive river]

Like while yes nobody is wholly good in Warframe the Orokin are very much so a unique type of terrible even when they’re okay

[drowsy saddle]

father needs to actually re adjust into civilian life

[restive river]

Also this is a partial lie cause Ticker is wholly and entirely good and you can’t convince me otherwise

[fast dew]

Ticker is the best

She does no wrong

[restive river]

Bro how he got no legs and he’s as big as 3 of us

[ocean geyser]

You guys think Father could have made himself a prosthetic of some kind

[fast dew]

Probably

[ocean geyser]

Or would the Infestation eat it

[restive river]

She literally just helps civilians! She doesn’t even kill anyone to do it!

[drowsy saddle]

by not referencing the old war every 3 lines

[restive river]

LOL

The war is over grandpa

[fast dew]

He does speak fondly of the old war

[ashen pulsar]

actually us tenno are pretty grey

[drowsy saddle]

the reason he doesn't have an arm is so he doesn't mag dump a Trumna and get vietnam flashbacks

[restive river]

Yeah that’s what I mean lol

[fast dew]

Loid meeting the family after all this, I really do want to want to see a cutscene for it.

[ashen pulsar]

we have no qualms with killing scaldra or corpus

[fast dew]

Or at least see Loid wander up to the necralisk

[drowsy saddle]

how are they gonna discuss it over a cup of tea

[dark compass]

Father with bonewidow legs

Slay

[restive river]

The tenno aren’t entirely good nor are they really bad
Do we kill, maim and murder? Yes, which is factually terrible to do
But it’s why we do it which balances it out

[ashen pulsar]

who could just be normal people

[fast dew]

The scaldra are green fascists, we shouldn't have a problem with killing them

[drowsy saddle]

religious facists

[fast dew]

I was gonna name a specific regime but I thought better

[drowsy saddle]

i wonder if the Scaldra have efervon laced bibbles

[restive river]

Scaldra may have Hollvanian civilians but it’s also like
Them or actual innocent lives

[ashen pulsar]

their leaders are but many people could have joined them out of a need for money or to protect themselves/their family

[drowsy saddle]

stormfall atleast are fanatics

[fast dew]

... I can compare this to a real world thing and suddenly it's not the same.

[restive river]

And yet their work just pushes others out of house and home on the pretense of “oh there’s totally techrot there”

[fast dew]

Wonder what that sounds like

[drowsy saddle]

"you're hiding techrot under floorboards aren't you"

[ocean geyser]

“Sorry we needed to gas your house”

[fast dew]

[ashen pulsar]

oh sure but even then having no qualms with killing them isn’t a thing good people do

[fast dew]

They're a pretty obvious allegory

[restive river]

Like they’re literally pushing people out to get their OWN people in
Even if there are normal people in their ranks what they’re doing is terrible

[fast dew]

Which is why i find it soooo stupid that we didnt kill neci

[dark compass]

Believe me if someone is joining a dedicated killing-people job for money there's already not much to salvage

[drowsy saddle]

normally allegory is subtle, but nowadays i think the metaphorical brick is most effective

[dark compass]

I knew a couple people who did

[restive river]

REAL
The options we have don’t make sense when we killed so many just to get to her

[fast dew]

We chose not to kill a prolific murder and fascist... why? DE. Why DE. Why couldn't we kill her

[restive river]

I do think Neci lived more so for narrative reasons as she is likely the key to stopping Wally but like
We would have so shot her

[fast dew]

Theyres ways that could've been able to work

[twin wigeon]

well its not really neci is it? its wally in neci's body, neci who has no stake in the overarching conflict between drifter and wally

[fast dew]

Shoot her, wally yoinks her away

[drowsy saddle]

prolly cause Wally can't mimic the drifter and so Neci is the stand in

[dark compass]

I guess it's the point of what Albrecht is doing. Keeping questionable alliances

[fast dew]

Neci, even outside wally, was still a fascist

[restive river]

(Sun – "You do it.") Drifter: "You do it. I'm not your puppet."
(Neutral – "It's not really her…") Drifter: "But it's not really her that's doing this…."
(Moon – "I'd be no different.") Drifter: "What? Then how'd I be any different?"

I DONT UNDERSTAND THESE OPTIONS

[fast dew]

LITERALLY OH MY GOD

Rage.

[restive river]

We don’t really know if they can’t, they more so just haven’t

[dark compass]

Where's (Sarcasm) option

[fast dew]

Though this playlist is keeping me significantly calmer

[drowsy saddle]

which begs the question, why haven't?

[fast dew]

... they absolutely can

[dark compass]

Wally can mimic Loid

I don't think there's a limit

[twin wigeon]

Sun hates alberecht, Neutral is unsure about this neci/wally amalgam, moon is looking for moral justification

[drowsy saddle]

yet when facing the drifter, its always using the Operator's visage?

[fast dew]

Wally absolutely can, if you have drifter equipped in whispers, he will be drifter

He should be?

I swear he was last time I did my play through

[restive river]

Its literally “i dont wanna you’re orokin”, “we both got similar trauma so nuh uh” and “I’d be no different in murdering someone while I just murdered who knows how many to get here????”
I don’t get it lmao

[restive river]

Nope, always Operator

[twin wigeon]

wally likes to mimic operator better, much more fun mimicking the kiddo

[restive river]

He has never shown up as Drifter

[fast dew]

Nah hold on

[drowsy saddle]

"it wasn't me, it was Umbra's slash dash"

[pale cedar]

It’s not really her and I’m not your puppet make sense

How’d I be any different doesn’t

[fast dew]

I need to unpack my playstation for this shit

[dark compass]

I need to eat my playstation

[fast dew]

.... I can't be bothered lowkey

[drowsy saddle]

PS5 HAS NO GAMES

[fast dew]

Its in one of 12 boxes

[restive river]

I mean none of it makes sense cause we kill her and the problem is solved

[fast dew]

I cbf

[twin wigeon]

murmur:

[drowsy saddle]

i eated da conkret

[fast dew]

Chat gimme your ideas on how Lyon has heard music from 1999

[thick yacht]

Alright I’m back I had to forma

[dark compass]

I wonder how the murmur limbs taste

[twin wigeon]

time travel

[restive river]

Even though the Drifter wouldn’t fully know how terrible Neci is I’d think they’d see how shooting one person to end this is the right thing to do??
Like
We were just shooting rockets at her lmao

[restive river]

Like dust and dead universes

[fast dew]

Funny option is that Albrecht actually likes onlyne and showed them to lyon

[restive river]

He likes pizza too lol

[drowsy saddle]

walked in on Marie using Albrecht's boombox he kept hidden in his cardinal office

[dark compass]

Perhaps to silence all the noise in his head???

And Albrecht had this as a proposed solution

[fast dew]

He also owned the clothing store in 1999??

[restive river]

If Albrecht likes On-Lyne I wonder if he would do anything to keep those boys safe

[twin wigeon]

pretty sure the triad accompanied alberecht in his travels or followed him thru time

[thick yacht]

Talking about the indifference are we

[fast dew]

He is so weird sometimes

[drowsy saddle]

it helps him stim

[ocean geyser]

Possibly

[restive river]

And was practically a religious figure lol

[ashen pulsar]

lyon found aoi on KInder (kinemantik instant tinder) and she sent him her favorite music

[thick yacht]

The indifference cannot be negotiated with, I think that much is clear

It is a chaotic element

[twin wigeon]

sure he can

[restive river]

As chaotic as entropy

Which is why I’m going to shove so many tauforged archon shards into his mouth

[fast dew]

He was just a clergyman tbf, not a Godlike figure

[restive river]

Let me make an anti-entropic gun with archon shards so I can SHOOT HIM

[drowsy saddle]

if we put regular shards into wally, will it come out tauforged?

[thick yacht]

[restive river]

Oh no not godlike lol

[pale cedar]

What doesn’t make sense is Albrecht not shooting her after

[twin wigeon]

i mean we've clearly been negotiating the terms of the deal enough that wally keeps on not collecting his side of the deal

[drowsy saddle]

i don't think albrecht wanted neci dead anyways

[fast dew]

Its just a common thing for higher ranked clergymen to be revered by lesser in the church

[restive river]

Bro just stood there while Wally xata fass xata’d

[ashen pulsar]

i’m going to enchant my burston with Power of Love VII

[fast dew]

He... he tells us to kill her

[dark compass]

Do you think Albrecht played caliber chicks

[pale cedar]

We know he’s trigger happy as well

[fast dew]

To appease Amir, yes

[ocean geyser]

He specifically wants us to kill her even though he had the mf LEX PRIME

[ashen pulsar]

and start headshotting

[drowsy saddle]

will Da People use the Burston with The Power of Love?

[restive river]

Even if he was playing us I really doubt it lol

[twin wigeon]

well thats because wally was seeping into her

[dark compass]

His lex prime is so good it oneshots through shields

[fast dew]

Must have toxin modded

[drowsy saddle]

toxin yaoi

[ocean geyser]

Must have some Entrati exclusive experimental mods

[pale cedar]

Which is a legitimate reason to shoot her

[fast dew]

... thats right yeah? I uh. Aint a gameplay warframe player

[dark compass]

Yes

[twin wigeon]

does it really matter if we kill scaldra if we know they'd have died anyway via the nuke

[ocean geyser]

Toxin bypasses shields yes

[dark compass]

Toxic yaoi infused lex prime

Bypasses shields

[ocean geyser]

And then get revived with the loop

[restive river]

I mean in the long run they die regardless

[drowsy saddle]

im still wondering if shooting neci would even help defeat wally

[fast dew]

Albrecht also types like a skaterboy, if the intro to the hex w Arthur is him

[twin wigeon]

and in the longer run they'd be revived again

[ocean geyser]

Probably not

[pale cedar]

If I was writing his dialogue I’d have made it be Albrecht shoots her after we say no

[restive river]

Defeat? No
Push him out of 1999? Probably

[fast dew]

Giving Albrecht Ao3

[restive river]

He seems to be able to use us as well to get places but Neci was specifically a breach

[ocean geyser]

I think that was us

[drowsy saddle]

Albrecht writes master/servant yaoi fanfics in his pasttime

[restive river]

Can’t be us

[twin wigeon]

i mean we're shooting possessed neci with concentrated void energy with our edgy blicky (sirrocco) which cannot be good for wally

[ocean geyser]

Wait what are yall talking about then

[fast dew]

You telling me all the alloid fics on ao3 is Albrecht's

[ocean geyser]

I’m thinking about us using Arthur’s hand

[restive river]

Nah he’d be fine aside from being booted from 1999

[fast dew]

Thats... concerning there's some concerning fics there

[drowsy saddle]

its him writing Loid love letters

[ocean geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-arthur-typing-typing-fast-gif-7776421255537450874

[restive river]

Yeah that was def Albrecht lol

[twin wigeon]

yeah it was alby

[restive river]

He types out don’t be late lmao

[ocean geyser]

I deadass thought that was us

[fast dew]

But luke

In a emo way or whatever

Albrecht might be a bit of a goober

[ocean geyser]

Possibly

[drowsy saddle]

quirky

[fast dew]

The

[twin wigeon]

hmm how does albrecht control arthur exactly?

[restive river]

War crime goober

He just like us fr omgg

[fast dew]

The stupid clothing store the backrooms is in. Wanna know what it's called?

[drowsy saddle]

transference bolt?

[restive river]

Somatics and potentially a transference bolt

[fast dew]

Timeless style. Its called timeless style.

[twin wigeon]

limited ascaris?

[fast dew]

Its a mucking joke.

[ocean geyser]

Holy shit?

[fast dew]

Albrecht is funny unfortunately

[restive river]

No, that’s not transference

With somatics anyone can use transference

[twin wigeon]

i mean its slightly commandeering his hand?

[drowsy saddle]

"Arthuh, are you jorkin your peanits?"

"It's Doc E doin it again!"

[restive river]

Not to the same degree of the tenno but still

[restive river]

Do you see an ascaris on him?

[twin wigeon]

fair

[restive river]

It’s just transference

[drowsy saddle]

are we sure he doesn't have hammerspace?

[fast dew]

I first realised it by the little stand here, and I asked a mate and there's the full sign. Its. Its timeless style. Albrecht had a clothing store. And named it TIMELESS STYLE.

[restive river]

Sylvanna used transference on a whole forest
Albrecht taking control of Arthur’s hand to type a brief message isn’t insane

[twin wigeon]

btw this whole commandeering frames + their operators is interesting

[restive river]

The Ascaris seems to be for if the frame has an operator

And isn’t transference ig

[restive river]

Bro thinks he is sooo clever smh

[drowsy saddle]

how much of the outside world would an operator feel while being comandeered>

[twin wigeon]

ig its more like hijacking the controls as bit

[fast dew]

Proves he's a dad tho
Got the dad jokes

[restive river]

Unknown

[restive river]

Truuuue

[drowsy saddle]

probably traumatizing to basically have a forced out of body experience

[twin wigeon]

shoves 4 balefire charges into your cranium

[restive river]

Closest we have to experiencing the ascaris is the start of the game before we wake up so there’s no way to know what it’s like beyond our own experience really

[drowsy saddle]

200 Peacemaker shots

[fast dew]

Wonder if Loid was ever in the backrooms? Before Albrecht screwed off for the last time

[restive river]

Could be they just control certain systems and force the tenno to act how they want

[drowsy saddle]

29 KULLERVO DAGGERS

[restive river]

You mean when Albrecht had a way back and forth?

[drowsy saddle]

imo its Loid who cleans the backrooms while no one's looking

[fast dew]

Mhm. Its unlikely but it would be funny

[restive river]

He can’t go there tho

[twin wigeon]

i don't think loid has ever been to the past

[fast dew]

Clearly he doesn't now, there's still a pizza crust on the desk

[drowsy saddle]

doesn't matter, butler still cleans

[restive river]

He’s but a portal away now ig

[fast dew]

If that was Albrecht's tho, thats funny

[drowsy saddle]

what if Loid was his last name, and his first was actually Alfred

[twin wigeon]

he's just there to keep us safe and protect the sanctum from the murmur invading the origin system

[fast dew]

We don't know his last name and it annoys me

[drowsy saddle]

2000+ year old man and he still doesn't eat the crust smh mh

[restive river]

Def not impossible during that time frame but I feel it would have been mentioned

[loud oriole]

nah loid full name is Loid 'Butler' Loid

[fast dew]

But it does let me tag loid on tumblr as loid entrati and noone can stop me

[restive river]

The Orokin are basically children, makes sense

[patent cargo]

in that they have childish impulses?

[restive river]

Yes

[drowsy saddle]

they eat their chicken boneless

heck maybe that's why the zariman has cube food

[restive river]

That was likely for storage or something tbh

[fast dew]

I choose to think Albrecht's presentation of his trauma makes him unable to eat certain foods that causes him pain (his throat got obliterated by the void, and he doesn't like it when something dry goes down his throat, feels bad)

[restive river]

Didn’t Loid fix that

[fast dew]

Im autistic over them help

[restive river]

Smh such a shotty job, Loid smh

[loud oriole]

Arthur invented cubed food with his cubed spaghetti, change my mind

[fast dew]

Can fix the physical part, but not the emotional part

[drowsy saddle]

maybe why he listens to onlyne, he's got trauma induced tinitus

[restive river]

Ooooh
Yeah

[fast dew]

I don't wanna be autistic over old men please help

[restive river]

We should make more Orokin face their mortality
It does wonders for them eventually acting like a more normal person

[fast dew]

I've thought about them for hours

[drowsy saddle]

we find out that the main supplier of the zariman's food supplies is "Nightingale Foods"

[fast dew]

Its not healthy

[twin wigeon]

hop off discord kiddo

[restive river]

Unfortunately i don’t think that’s possible 😔

[drowsy saddle]

a man can dream can he not?

[twin wigeon]

we can dream the second dream indeed

[fast dew]

I aint even a kid im just

Normal. I'm normal.

[woven trench]

So what is the Hunhullus actually?

[restive river]

With time travel in warframe changes only occur once we’ve caused them, there’s no bootstraps or paradoxes

[drowsy saddle]

if Albrecht communicated to Loid via the KIM system, would he call Loid his KIM-Kitten?

[twin wigeon]

well its a memory of us fighting adis

[woven trench]

No I'm meant the mech

The giant ahh sentient mech what is it?

[drowsy saddle]

its a giant ahh sentient mech

[fast dew]

Please do not make me think of this.
-# loid would slap him the next chance he got

[twin wigeon]

oh. uhhhhhhh i mean sentients are energy based wouldn't be a stretch to say they can move their energy to control things?

[woven trench]

Like no transference tech no nothing?

[restive river]

In theory a cubed food company could exist after Drifter meets Arthur and they set him on that path but he would need to get around being a frame and starting a company that would then have to thrive beyond the radiation wars, likely placing said company under the Orokin

[twin wigeon]

transference is a void based thing, sentients don't like the void

[drowsy saddle]

or if we follow the theme of sentients being labor tools (hunhow being a farmer/agriculture expert, Praghasa being a terraformer), the Hunhullus is the Sentient version of a forklift

[woven trench]

Right

[restive river]

Not transference but similar

A delicate paraneural interface allowing a duly evolved Sentient pilot to command the colossal Hunhullus as if it were a second skin.

[drowsy saddle]

in which case, Adis is indeed Forklift certified

[fast dew]

I should draw that

Adis is certified forklift

[restive river]

Hunhullus is the sentient equivalent to a warframe

[drowsy saddle]

no its a forklift

this is fanon now

[restive river]

lol

[twin wigeon]

falamity fanon?

[fast dew]

Giving adis a hard hat

He needs to be protected incase something falls on his head

How would adis... do a thumbs up actually

[twin wigeon]

actually why do the orokin need a hunhullus the anarchs are hardly much of a threat to require a hulking mech

[drowsy saddle]

look if the Grineer are the Orokin's construction tools, then the Hunhullus is the Sentient's forklift

[woven trench]

That has very concerning implications

[drowsy saddle]

cause its all a show

[loud oriole]

The Scaldra find Arthur's secret recipe in one of his old field hideouts and carry it with them trying recreate it for eons whilst also slowly 'evolving' into what we know as the Orokin :b

[drowsy saddle]

cause the seven want war

[twin wigeon]

cause the seven are bored

[fast dew]

I need to know how adis does a thumbs up

[drowsy saddle]

"One day, zeus the seven were bored"

[twin wigeon]

he has 3 fingers i think

[fast dew]

I thought he has two?

[loud oriole]

"Thumb up, Ten-no" - Adis, probably

[fast dew]

I hope my new drawing tablet arrives before Christmas so I can draw something Christmas related for warframe..

We got new years after but its not the same 💔

[woven trench]

Why are there no other Tennos in the story but us?

We aren't the only one that woke up right?

[drowsy saddle]

I mean there was that Rhino during the last part of Kahl's sequence in the new war

Poor sod was farming fish before getting ganked

[fast dew]

He's me... he's me fr

[humble sierra]

Other players

Also, when you do survival missions, it's implied someone else is doing a spy mission and you're helping by distracting enemies

[pale cedar]

Because they aren’t the main character and making animations and tons of VA takes more time than it’s worth

[woven trench]

They atleast could've done it for the Old Peace quest in the academy

[pale cedar]

There’s also the fact you do see other Tenno in the New War

And then there’s a quest that had another Tenno

Constantly doing it would delay stuff

[twin wigeon]

theres the tenno commanding the vanguard before getting ganked by galastra

[viscid aspen]

What song does Drifter whistle in New War/Duviri? Have we ever gotten an actual song for it?

[fast dew]

Uhh, can we get a clip?

Idek why i thought of smiles from juran or whatever it's called

[pale cedar]

The Duviri Paradox trailer

[viscid aspen]

https://youtu.be/rcLPsq8lYe4

0:00-0:25

[viscid aspen]

Ill check it out thx

[ocean geyser]

The one warframe at the battle on Earth and he gets turned off by the Condrix before anything actually happens

[swift gyro]

What exactly happend with the crisdalia people? they are alive or they died are returned back? i

[ocean geyser]

I’m pretty sure that’s an entirely different song

Because that tune was in Dust’s Dominion too and it doesn’t sound anything like the Drifter’s Zariman whistle

“Unrelated to warframe” ITS LITERALLY THE DRIFTER WHISTLING

[swift gyro]

What is this next to Lua?

[silk atlas]

A Murex

[humble sierra]

A murex, one of the sentient ships. It's a remnant of the New War

[proper barn]

Destroyed murx. The map has a bunch after the new war.

[swift gyro]

ah okay thx.

[sly pagoda]

Might have to get rid of everything after the s in the video title. So you see the v= and then a string of letters ending in lower case s and then the &. Get rid of the & and everything after it.

[proper barn]

Any other questions?

[swift gyro]

Just this one till my mind suddenly get a curiosity about something.

[proper barn]

okay. random think you might have realized or not. Umbra was stuck in the moon alive until we take it out of the void.

[swift gyro]

and how did we took him out of the lua/moon?

[proper barn]

Oh he probably just steals a ship from like the grinner and such that invade the moon

after we take it out of the void then he goes to Earth to the ruins of his house

and gets blasted by ballas the same person that put him in the moon.

[humble sierra]

The act of taking Lua out of the void caused some damages I think, freeing him from the prison/lab he was in

[proper barn]

also thaty

MOON quakes happen after we take it out of thew void.

[swift gyro]

also, how did he managed to avoid the transference when we took him from the saundry like he had conscience?

[proper barn]

what?

did you play the quest? he was upset.

[swift gyro]

I played. but quiet dont remember how he managed that.

[proper barn]

okay so

all warframes where people at one point BUT they all get their minds wiped

Umbra was made to keep specificlly the memory of him being made to kill his son

[swift gyro]

Yes, bcs of infection madness

[proper barn]

by ballas.

[proper barn]

no just cuz ballas makes him.

Infestation madness isn't really a thing for warframes.

[swift gyro]

somo warframes went berseker bcs of infection madness no? or just wiped their memories?

[proper barn]

no that's just

what Ballas says. they just REBELLED and that was said to be infested madness.

most things the orokin make rebel.

[sly pagoda]

And then the Orokin deploy something else to stop the previous

[swift gyro]

and what wouldnt rebel tbh, warframe process is super painfull. cephalons just dont rebel bcs they cant since they follow forced codes.

[sly pagoda]

In pairing Tenno with Warframe, Their ego finally wrote a check their bodies could not cash.

[fast dew]

Explodes chat with mind

[lean garden]

I mean... Lizzie basically confirms that theres such a thing

[fast dew]

Anyways lore question

[lean garden]

she doesnt call it madness, but like, it very much mechanically is

she doesnt go "oh nah thats cap" she just call "it aint mad, just a new way of seeing things"

[fast dew]

Is parvos' lost arm/golden hand supposed to be like. Representative of the hand of god or something or is it a thing to say parvos is similar to the orokin

[lean garden]

I think its like more towards the hand that takes vibe

like you gotta have that typa golden grip

id need to do a corpus deeper dive into the tenets and all that

but thats the vibe I got

[dark compass]

I thought it's just a dumb hand of midas type of thing

[swift gyro]

tbh, what happend to lizzie and flare to me was like a fusion, it didnt erased their individual minds but instead it just made a ´´new being´´ with their fused minds.

[lean garden]

and yknow, also being connected to the hivemind

[dark compass]

Why did autocorrect add dumb

But yeah I always thought it's meant to be evocative of the hand of Midas

[lilac aspen]

Yeah I’d go insane if I can suddenly see from everyone and everywhere and everywhen

[swift gyro]

oh yeah, they also to hivemind...which i dont think its that great but the last massage of flare it looked he wasnt suffering, idk if he was already accepted that deal with lizzie

[lean garden]

Id vibe with that

[dark compass]

Greedy ass ruler

I bet I can beat him in a fistfight

[proper barn]

Loid says like "infested madness that's what the orokin said for things they can't controll"

or something.

[lean garden]

ok and the infestation's own representative said that theres an actual thing that everyone keeps calling madness

[proper barn]

I mean there is probably a infested madness.

i just don't know if it's specificlly for the warframes.

that ballas mentioned.

[lilac aspen]

People tend to forget the infestation has their own sentience

To them
This is Tuesday
To the non-infested mind, complete madness as your brain is hiveminded and all that

Not to mention what happens to your body
I have no mouth and I must scream

[lilac aspen]

Yeah that there would make most single consciousness minds snap

[old wharf]

Ballas is the kindest person in warframe because he gave us a sword to defeat Natah.

[lilac aspen]

Ballas is so nice
He pushed us into that void portal to save us from the Sentients in New War

[old wharf]

He even told us the truth about Natah and how she controlled him!

[strange plinth]

definitely

[lilac aspen]

He helped an old soldier get over his PTSD too via getting us to find him

[old wharf]

He tried to destroy Natah lair (the sun) so he can stop her once and for all!!! Even after knowing that he will die too.

[iron tiger]

If death leaves a mark even for sentients, what could that mean for lotus?

[lilac aspen]

She had to literally ask us who she was

[strange plinth]

there was a theory in here a while ago that the "cost" for lotus was that the three personalities in her had somewhat split.

[iron tiger]

Oh wow that’s a really good connection

The events of old peace takes place before new war right?

So we can’t say that we’re seeing her new personalit(ies)?

[strange plinth]

the sections of old peace that are in the present are after new war (requires whispers, which requires TNW)
she says something different at the end of the quest depending on which you chose in TNW

[iron tiger]

Fascinating, I hope this means something more down the line other than mere dialogue

Is lotus an eidolon or something new entirely now?

Eidolon are ghosts, archons are a type of eidolon is lotus undead?

[strange plinth]

Natah: "We've already had our revenge."
Lotus: "You were used. Just as she was."
Margulis: "We can finally begin to heal."

[iron tiger]

In what context are these said?

[strange plinth]

Eidolons are more "standard" undead than ghosts
Archons are a fusion of dead sentient and warframe, lotus is missing the latter
i'd say she's just been healed, to the best of our ability

[iron tiger]

Ghost are always classified as undead but they’re just dead and I don’t know how this happened 😭

[iron tiger]

Could this be similar to the healing of adis?

[strange plinth]

very end of the quest, in regards to operator being framed for restarting the war + activating the world-seeders
Operator: "I'm so sorry."
Natah/Lotus/Margulis line
Lotus: "Tau is in sight. It will not be the place that you or I remember."

[strange plinth]

somewhat, maybe. not sure the exact stuff behind adis's healing vs consuming 3 archon shards and ballas's lifeforce (or whatever happened there)

[iron tiger]

I think Ballas absorbed the power of the shard but it being stripped from him was so invasive it ruined his insides

And at that point he was part sentient I imagine lotus might’ve absorbed that part of him too

[nova sequoia]

do the tenno eat?

[iron tiger]

If the sentient on the bed was dead I think it is the same process, but otherwise it’s just regular healing

[nova sequoia]

like, i know its a bio-mechanical suit thing

[strange plinth]

there's a scene in the new war that answers this

[nova sequoia]

i see, well i guess ill get there

curious as to what this furture has in terms of food culture

like, are air fryers still popular?

[iron tiger]

Here’s a hint 🧊

[nova sequoia]

do tenno still make air fryer jokes in whatever year it is in warframe?

[nova sequoia]

ohh interesting

[iron tiger]

🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪🟫

[iron tiger]

It should be noted that the warframe universe has several different societies with different tech capabilities

Right now we know the most about ostron cuisine

[nova sequoia]

yeah, the corpus and earth settlements look pretty different in vibes

[strange plinth]

actually wait, what's the most recent story quest you've done
there might be an answer you already have seen/had access to

[lilac aspen]

Archon shards are basically weird uh
Anti-entropy shards

Entropy is decay
So these do the opposite
Lotus had to eat Three to truly revive herself from her Eidolon status

[iron tiger]

Yes such a surreal contrast, it’s always breathtaking to think about

[nova sequoia]

uh, goin through stolen dreams rn, pretty new overall, just got to jupiter

[strange plinth]

ok, then yea, it'll be answered later

[nova sequoia]

it is very noticeable

[iron tiger]

I mean that’s one way to interpret entropy but it probably means the just increase order instead of introducing chaos

[lilac aspen]

I use the science term of it because entropy exists irl right now

[iron tiger]

Yes indeed

[lilac aspen]

Which would explain why the shards seem to heal and keep the archons alive despite being what are essentially two corpses (Warframe and archon creature ) stuck together

[digital ore]

reading old fanfics...and noticing alot of people had the assumption the old war was in the Sol system, never tau.

...guess this is one reason i strugglign to fit this new lore in, i believed, as many fics did, that the sentients turned from tau and flew back. for over a decade

not sure if that was old lore misleading us so long...or lore retconing as new is added...

...kidna a pitty, how we understand it before was rather epic...

at it is..with the new lore of tau

..i still strugglign to figure out when technocite comes into the story

when did the orokin try to use it on the sentients, as i thought it occured before the taming of warframes.....

[strange plinth]

the old war was in the sol/origin system. the latter half was almost entirely there
how much of the former half was there isn't known, though

[digital ore]

see theres the problem

my understanding, before this update

was that the sentients attacked, and the orokin, realizing their tech was being turned against them..literally
tried the technocite, and couldnt control it

so tried to tame it, warframes, but couldnt
so tenno calmed them long enough to use warframes, and thus turn the tide

but with the new lore, i now entirely lost where technocite is in this story at all now.
cause its not in tau from what we've seen. but it is in sol

so now...soemhow...the first half happens, and we already have warframes
then sentients attack sol, and....then the technocite is deployed? but warframes....the timeline is confusing there

and if technocite WAS deployed in tau
how is it in sol now

[iron tiger]

Wow that introduction is horrifying, a system wide blackout and probably a mass corruption or takeover of system data

[proper barn]

before warframes they where just losing like

handiely

[digital ore]

aye its good thematic xD

[digital ore]

but only in tau, the war wasnt in sol at at all at the time

[strange plinth]

its still entirely possible that there was a push into origin by the sentients in the first half?

[digital ore]

....idk, everyone telling me first half was all in tau.
the battleship. and everyhting. and its really confusing me

[strange plinth]

• the bio-bomb on deimos is the biggest example of using the infestation against the sentients, which can be in either part of the war. just requires the sentients to be in the origin system

[iron tiger]

That seems a lot more baddass than the other way around

[digital ore]

technocite had to come before the warframe....that was part of warframe';s development...but it makes ot all the more confusing

[digital ore]

gets cooler xD

[iron tiger]

Now that I i think about it I don’t think we’ve seen a truly orokin spaceship other than the zariman’s which were outdated almost immediately after the sentients attacked

[strange plinth]

the derelicts are orokin ships?

[waxen mesa]

the derelicts

[digital ore]

eh...we have.....the derelicts. but thats about it

and when u think about it...the derelects vs the zariman...are VASTLY different design wise...

[iron tiger]

It isn’t truly because it’s infested

[waxen mesa]

odd take

[proper barn]

RJ?

[strange plinth]

the infestation has taken the derelicts, but they were still orokin ships

[proper barn]

there are "orokin towers" in the void

and in RJ.

[digital ore]

and technically....our ship (that our orbiter connects to) is orokin

[iron tiger]

I totally didn’t forget about the derelicts guys

[iron tiger]

Tenno tech isssss in an odd place

[digital ore]

btw when is DE gonna stop teasing us and let us ACTUALLY SEE THAT FULL SHIP

seing it buried in EArth was a major tease
and the tiny image of it in the space map

let us see the full thing xD

[strange plinth]

tenno is like an off-shoot of orokin i think
similar design principles, far less gold

[iron tiger]

We can assume it’s bottom of the barrels hand me downs or lower quality reverse engineered tech

[digital ore]

eh...hand me down likely

low quality reverse engineered is what corpus gotr

[waxen mesa]

So do you think they'll reuse the tileset for Tau or will Tau actually live up to its rumors

because say waht you want but Perita is hardly beautiful enough to suddenly break free of Orokin control and wage a genocidal war

[iron tiger]

Not really they built much of what we see on their own after all orokin tech was kept to higher castes

[digital ore]

i want to say yes

but....remember the tileset for sentient ships...taht we never reused outside railjack..if u remember itor really see outside hte story

[strange plinth]

there's murexes in veil proxima
and where else is that tileset going to show up

[iron tiger]

And the corpus founding principles made them an enemy of the orokin

[digital ore]

that part is confusing as well....

cause protea.....

if an enemy of the orokin
make vauban to counter the corpus. ok

and make protea to...protect the leader of the corpus....w8...are they enemies or not

[iron tiger]

Perintol also made the sentients and he was corpus

[strange plinth]

the corpus survived because they split off diplomatically, as opposed to the sentients that waged war

[iron tiger]

His name sounds like something you’d get from a pharmacy

[strange plinth]

protea was commissioned by parvos, it wasn't just given to them

[digital ore]

did protea have a tenno operating it......thats another question

[digital ore]

ehhhhhhh
not really according to the sentients. sentients still considered, and still do, consider them orokin

though i get what u mean they split off before the orokin fell and thus werent on tenno's hit list

[waxen mesa]

I guess to be fair it can only be so pretty. Unless that life seeding stuff actually managed to happen (Perita doesn't give me high hopes) the only possible life that can be on it is the xenoflora

[strange plinth]

unknown. the protea that was with parvos became a specter, the protea prime we see in old peace was tenno-operated

[waxen mesa]

unless the Orokin just never saw Tau and thus never recorded the life on it

[strange plinth]

the sentients are Racist. its a plot point. they wanted to kill everyone in the origin system rather than just the orokin

[digital ore]

eh...the one we see in old peace might be tenno operated...
or the tenno might have been killed, and warframe hijacked with that clamp

its not really clear...which

[proper barn]

No the orokin went to tau in person.

We know that from the quest. What?

[strange plinth]

was, whatever the anarchs were using to control it either kicked them out or killed them, in one way or another

[waxen mesa]

granted I don't remember every single piece of dialogue spoken. but the quest happened on Perita not Tau

[proper barn]

PERITA IS A PLACE IN TAU.

[waxen mesa]

perita is Tau's moon

[digital ore]

yeah....perita is in tau

hm....thinking of it.....ok question

Zariman 10-0 failed its void jump BEFORE the sentients went to tau right
and thats why orokin decided to use sentients...right?

[proper barn]

Tau is the system.

[dire mountain]

No

[proper barn]

After they where sent but before they got there.

[strange plinth]

other way around, sentients sent first, orokin were impatient, zariman sent

[proper barn]

@waxen mesa Tau isn't a planet its the system.

[dire mountain]

Sentients were en route to Tau and Tuvul was impatient so he did the zariman 10-0

[digital ore]

so zariman went after sentients were sent
but before sentients arrived?

[proper barn]

Yes

[digital ore]

ok that makes sense

[strange plinth]

there's a zariman tablet in duviri that references the sentients starting to build the rail first

[dire mountain]

Also we got explicit information from the QnA earlier this year

[proper barn]

Well half of of the one in The origin system.

[waxen mesa]

I thought it was both >:I

[proper barn]

The other half

[waxen mesa]

what am it hinking of then? Perita is a moon no?

[iron tiger]

Not erra

[waxen mesa]

i am 99% sure there were talks about moons in old peace

[proper barn]

Was supposed to be built by the Zariman people.

[iron tiger]

Or atleast that’s not how I interpreted erra

[strange plinth]

Perita is a moon, whether Tau is the star or the planet isn't fully clear

[proper barn]

But tau is the whole system.

[waxen mesa]

it can be both a system and planet

[proper barn]

They say the tau system.

[digital ore]

and sentients....becaus ethe void is poison to them, had to fly there....not manually but...in real space. thus the long time

the rail they built.....did that slingshot people through the void? and how does its use differ from what zariman 10-0 tried to do?
did the rail act like...a "Warp to me" beacon?

[iron tiger]

Huh scientists do that?

[waxen mesa]

Could very well be they named the system after the planet they planned to settle on. Real world naming basis aside

[iron tiger]

I’ve only heard of system and stars having the same name

[dire mountain]

Zariman has a Reliquary drive. It doesn't need a solar rail

[digital ore]

oh so the rail was a giant solar rail drive? but between systems?

[strange plinth]

the rail uses the void to connect two points. the junctions in the origin system
the zariman's reliquary drive lets it skip through void directly, ignoring the rails. same as railjack

[waxen mesa]

scientists name things shit like Sonic Hedgehog Gene. I think naming a planet and system the same thing isn't outside the realm of possibilityy

[proper barn]

Well void is posion to them so they where supposed to die while they built it.

[dire mountain]

The solar rails are literally that, a rail. It takes you from one place to another

[proper barn]

And die in the final construction.

[waxen mesa]

WAIT STOP THE PRESSES

[iron tiger]

Its definitely not a probability

[waxen mesa]

tau is the PLANET!

[proper barn]

Also We have never done a successful Void Jump without a solar rail to tau.

That was the thing.

[digital ore]

but it still uses the void. so sentients can use it. or couldnt?

reason i ask is, the sentients were made sterile traveling from tau to sol.
but not sol to tau

but void is poison to them, not steralize, but kill.

[waxen mesa]

Tau isn't a planet believers in shambles

[digital ore]

so 2 different movements

[proper barn]

Their wasn't a void Jump to tau

[ocean geyser]

Im pretty sure they used the rail to get here
Specifically using Praghasa, which is what made her braindead

[proper barn]

Cuz there wasn't a rail

[strange plinth]

praghasa died so that the rest of the sentinets she carried wouldn't. they were just sterilized instead

[dire mountain]

Well it does both. Radiation can sterilize people AND kill them it just depends on the exposure

[proper barn]

They went the LONG way.

To get there. Also like I said they haven't done a successful void Jump OUTSIDE of the origin system.

[waxen mesa]

anyway this brings up a good point

[proper barn]

The solar rails are also for ships without void drives.

[digital ore]

ok so...

Sentients fly to tau long way

then return to sol during old war...via the rail...that hunhow destroyed

the rail made them sterile. but didnt kill them...
but the void is poison to them, hence the moon hiding in the void

[waxen mesa]

have the Orokin been to Tau the planet

we know they've been to Tau the system and Perita, the moon of Tau

[ocean geyser]

Probably

We just haven’t
Yk
Seen that yet

[proper barn]

Hunhow destories the ORIGIN system Side.

[waxen mesa]

but we shall in 2026

[digital ore]

so...sentients..who arent sterile...are still in tau..with a working rail?

[proper barn]

@digital ore but the sentients where all supposed to die in the construction of the rail.

[proper barn]

1/2 of a rail but yes.

[waxen mesa]

i have to figure Tau's main factions are going to be Sentient and Anarch

[dire mountain]

No the rail doesn't work because the other half is brokwn

[iron tiger]

Wait a minute if we can jump from place to place using railjack why can’t we just get to tau like that?

[waxen mesa]

You can not convince me the Orokin brought all the grineer and dax back from perita

[proper barn]

That's why we think What's his face

[digital ore]

i think anarchs are long dead by now

[proper barn]

Might be trying to rebuild

This side.

[digital ore]

how many years has it been between current game time
and the old war

[proper barn]

1000s of years.

[waxen mesa]

perhaps, or perhaps they managed to carve out a home on Perita and either made peace with the sentients or are a constant war.

There are Perita based grineer cloning facilities under anarch control

[iron tiger]

Tau should definitely have 2 factions atleast for gameplay diversity

[digital ore]

so yeah...anarchs are either entirely dead by now
or are a much different civilization. similar to grineer

[ocean geyser]

Long enough that most people from that time have to be immortal or cryogenically frozen to exist now

[dire mountain]

Space is BIG

[ocean geyser]

I feel like the former cause there’s no way the Sentients would have let them stay

[iron tiger]

I’d imagine that would be a part of the answer, I also believe rails are nearly instantaneous, while railjacks have a very long time travel comparatively

[digital ore]

considering sentients on our side's performance...while STERILE
vs the grineer and corpus

i'd agree. sentients who arent sterile in tau, would probably wipe out anarchs by now

[proper barn]

@digital ore I don't know if you saw this. But solar rails are for ships that don't have void drives to hyper space jump from 1 to other. The Zariman and the RJ are seemingly the only ships left with a VOID drove to do it themselves. The reason the Zariman Failed is 2 fold. They had never been a void jump outside of the origin system and they wanted it to be 1 BIG jump.

Now mabye a third

[iron tiger]

Like rails are actually teleportation, but railjacks use void as a means of mere fast transportation

[ocean geyser]

Wasn’t the Zariman sabotaged or something?

[proper barn]

no?

[ocean geyser]

Or am i misremembering

[proper barn]

Not in a normal way.

[digital ore]

by wally...technically

[ocean geyser]

Someone did mention that here but they could have been misinformed

[proper barn]

unless we count like "BIG WALLY WALL"

as a sabotage.

[ocean geyser]

I remember someone going “haha Archimedians disabled something”

[digital ore]

question is..was wally one of the reasons for zariman failing
or did he just see "hey ship in void. lets go play with it" after it had already failed

[ocean geyser]

Or maybe im misremembering the Rank 1 Holdfasts cutscene

[proper barn]

i mean

[ocean geyser]

The ship’s void drive was his finger so

[proper barn]

Yonta disabeled safey measures to like Do the Jump.

[iron tiger]

A copy of it

[ocean geyser]

Yeah
But that’s still reason enough for him to mess with it

[proper barn]

Hombask was part of the desenters that wanted to not jump at all.

[ocean geyser]

Yet for some reason he hasn’t screwed with the railjack

[digital ore]

.......i forgot about that

....and now i gonna keep a gun aimed at it.....

[proper barn]

and disabled some Food places.

[dire mountain]

Nothing suggests that they are differing in speed at all. The issue with jumping to tau instead of a solar rail is needing to calculate its movement and your distance which gets a lot harder without anywhere to be a reference point.

[proper barn]

It's only in the RJ.

and zariman.

[digital ore]

and so is my Velocitus

[proper barn]

it's why the RJ is so feared it's the only ship that can basiclly instantlly hyper space jump

anywhere they want.

[digital ore]

if that finger moves. its getting shot

[proper barn]

makes it A WONDERFUL ABSOLUTLEY ABSURD

weapon for the tenno.

[dire mountain]

It does move

[iron tiger]

Nahhh I’m pretty sure the rails have been stated to be 2 things: 1 ship at a time and basically instant

[digital ore]

i mean outside the containment

[dire mountain]

It literally taps on the glass when its first revealed iirc

[digital ore]

also wally is not getting his finger back. finders keepers. wasteland rules

[proper barn]

everyone else is held to just using solar rails

And we can just ZIP around whenever we want.

[iron tiger]

Railjacks take up enough time in the void for us to literally see a orowyrm

[proper barn]

with a ship that can destory capitla ships

with a little effort.

[proper barn]

it's less than a minute.

[iron tiger]

I wonder if he has organs

[digital ore]

wonder if we'll ever come across the wrecks of other railjacks in the sol system

....probably not, though likely in tau for sure

[waxen mesa]

because up until recently Wally still believed we were their pawn

wouldn't want to break your pawn's toy ship

[iron tiger]

Who knows what that scales to across cosmic distances

[strange plinth]

we visited like 5 of em to make ours tbf

[proper barn]

I mean we do in the quest?

that's the whole thing.

[digital ore]

...i gotta replay that quest

[dire mountain]

Its a loading screen even if its disguised. Its length varies on hardware so the time it takes is very easily not representative of lore

[waxen mesa]

all i remember about the quest is the song

[proper barn]

that's the sev quest

[waxen mesa]

are there two railjack quests?

[proper barn]

not the normal Rising tide quest/.

yes.

[waxen mesa]

oof

[proper barn]

why OOF?

RJ IS GOOD.

[waxen mesa]

RJ can be good

its the people that make it bad

[iron tiger]

Fair point but I think visually it’s clear it’s traveling in the void

[waxen mesa]

and also the confusing customization

[proper barn]

I play solo.

[iron tiger]

There was supposed to be a third one something about “finding answers”

[dire mountain]

Also the Orbiter radio from years ago has rail control saying its at capacity which wouldnt happen if it was instant?? If it was instant there would be no traffic 😭

[waxen mesa]

and the crewmates make it bad too!...because of the old peace bug. they'll be better once that's resolved

[dire mountain]

Yes I'm not arguing otherwise?

[iron tiger]

No that’s not he it works you still need to wait in line for a single use teleporter

[iron tiger]

I was saying that to be clear why one takes time and the other one doesn’t

[dire mountain]

Solar rails still use the void

[iron tiger]

I’m not arguing otherwise

[iron tiger]

I was actually about to comment on this but warframe has like 6 types of teleportation or transport tech

[fast dew]

Chat. We may have won.

My housemate.
Is a loreframe nerd. We won.

[iron tiger]

Grineer purple stuff, voidgates, wormholes, the solar rails, railjacks, duviri portals, time portals in sanctum, and the void mirrors

[iron tiger]

I wish I knew someone that nerdy

[tall echo]

"purple stuff"?

[dire mountain]

Void mirrors arent a transport thing its just a way to look into the void

[iron tiger]

I mean I do but his interest is Elizabethan English

[tall echo]

also most of those transport methods use void

[iron tiger]

I think grineer flame blades use them

[fast dew]

They also are aware of the old man yaoi. So. Uh. We good chat

[iron tiger]

It’s not about what they use it’s about how they use them

[fast dew]

[tall echo]

there's only one way to travel with the void

[iron tiger]

Void energy is like electricity to the orokin

[iron tiger]

If there was only one way there wouldn’t be so many different portals

That like saying there’s only a one way to travel with a wheel

There isn’t theres atleast a couple

[dire mountain]

I literally dont think there's anything even implying solar rails are instant

Its fast, sure. Because its faster than the speed of light

[ocean geyser]

What the hell is purple stuff though

[iron tiger]

I don’t even think DE knows I’ll get a screenshot though

[ocean geyser]

Do you mean when the grineer light units teleport??

[iron tiger]

Yes exactly!!!

[strange plinth]

i'd assume its a similar speed to rj travel, just between two set points rather than wherever to wherever

[iron tiger]

Weird because the grineer don’t really manipulate energy and space like that

[dire mountain]

Yeah that's my impression

[sharp igloo]

i’ve done like 60 encounters, i can’t seem to get alola grimer in route 18

shoot wrong chat

[iron tiger]

I swear I remember hearing in maybe one of the codex entries for I think Simaris they lined up one by one for the old war and would immediately be in battle

It’s been forever since I’ve read those though

Found it ‘twas in the mag prime entry

Also I found something much more interesting

The sentient ships of tau are described as worms, makes me think of praghasa but alive

I wonder if the sentients at their maximum start looking wormy

[lean garden]

not necessary

some stay as crab-ships

some became worm-ships

[iron tiger]

Is this the one we see in the clouds of Jupiter?

[lean garden]

no idea

[iron tiger]

We still haven’t seen one like that in flight I believe

[lean garden]

roathe just complains that once they figured out how to fight crabs the sentient pulled up worms

[iron tiger]

Oh snap that why vay hek calls them worms

[strange plinth]

the one floating around the jupiter tileset is just the ropalolyst, no?
or do you mean the one in the labs that's never seen outside of them

[iron tiger]

I thought he was just referring to every different faction as a type of legless invertebrate

Tyl regor calls us that too

Leech and bloody worm

[iron tiger]

The one outside the labs

Amalgams were way to cool of a concept to be abandoned remember that “thing” we saw in the the labs that looked like the alkonost but Chonky

It was before the Nira fight

[iron tiger]

Do you think hunhow is a crab

[lean garden]

maybe? might fit?

[iron tiger]

I know sentients really do be lookin like crustaceans sometimes

[stray herald]

Got a bit of lyon childhood. He seems to have schizophrenia? He was talking about visions and hearing whispers and then was leading to self delete

[tall echo]

It's wally

[stray herald]

The rap tap tap i can get, but most of these other stuff seem more on brand for a schizo

[tall echo]

Wally does more than just go rap tap tap

[stray herald]

Yea, but idk, i like to think otherwise before i start thinking the obvious conclusion, to give weight to other ideas

[tall echo]

Occam's razor almost always applies

[stray herald]

Like ik wally likes to play with a person’s insecurities n stuff, doubts, inner urges

[strange plinth]

according to Along Came A Spider, wally approached rusalka several times throughout her life, could be similar w/ lyon
-# i haven't gotten this convo w/ lyon so i'm entirely assuming here

[stray herald]

How are yall not at that convo with lyon

O wait, u chose different than me?

[tall echo]

He's not talking to me

[strange plinth]

could've gone down a different path
or you're ahead because i have all convos on
or there does seem to be a bug where lyon just never talks

[tall echo]

Resetting then turning on play all convos option slowed me down

[strange plinth]

ah, right

[stray herald]

I did prove to marie that im trustworthy pretty early on to get lyon talking

[kindred barn]

Dumb thought because why not
If the Operator/Drifter is gender fluid...would void fufery make them shift back and forth to match how they're feeling at the time?

[tall echo]

They are whatever you want them to be, gender as a concept just no longer really exists in their time

[hazy prism]

for the longest time i had a male drifter and female operator, so sure why not

[stiff fable]

If I recall the pre-release discussion he's seeing visions of the Orokin Era

[waxen mesa]

Was Marie alive during the "french" revolution?

[stiff fable]

She shouldn't have been if we're right about the date being 1899

[hazy prism]

probably no, the year the Cathederale is in is probably 1899, so unless she's over 100 years old

[stiff fable]

But DE did change things to erase all the references so who knows anymore

[waxen mesa]

yeah that's what I thought but she does talk about it

[hazy prism]

oh god if it's 1799, it would be right in time for the french revlution

[waxen mesa]

specifically this one

[tall echo]

It's 1899 until stated otherwise

[hazy prism]

probably just some playful historical reference

[waxen mesa]

probably should have also included this one. my bad

but she refers to herself as a revolutionary

[hazy prism]

it's playful banter, she never mentions actually doing anything related to the revolution in her KIM

[waxen mesa]

I guess she is a bit of a...let's call her playful person. cough asking her to hunt you cough

[hazy prism]

she probably just read a history book or was told of the Gaulen (French) revolution

[fast dew]

Lyon's grandparents were involved lol

[hazy prism]

you guys think that operator and drifter act/feel like siblings more than whatever they are

[ocean geyser]

wha
sentients fought crabs?

[hazy prism]

sentients had ships that orokins called "crab ships" which later got replaced with "worm ships"

[ocean geyser]

oh

[strange plinth]

yea that's how i'd headcanon their interactions

[ashen pulsar]

are the random uriels imprisoned on the perita tileset just whichever uriels they could catch or whats going on there

memory glitches?

[strange plinth]

i'd guess they're the same as the one in the quest. just captured by the sentients and kept as examples

[wind ruin]

|| Roathe's troops were mostly converted into Uriel warframes. ||

[strange plinth]

yea that's where they all came from

[iron tiger]

Has warframe had any big plot twist moments

[wind ruin]

...

No, no it's all been completely straightforward.

Abosolutely predictable.

[strange plinth]

second dream, you're actually a person
maker cutscene, ballas is still evil actually
arguably natah? lotus is a sentient

[iron tiger]

I’m not stupid I’m just asking what you guys think counts as the most memorable

[strange plinth]

also like half of the plot of new war

[dark compass]

that fortuna has completely lost

[iron tiger]

Ballas being the little guy on a leash was more interesting imo

[dark compass]

i was expecting some sort of rebellion attempt, but everyone has just been crushed and even children are veiled

[tall echo]

Ballas still being evil isn't a plot twist

[strange plinth]

you're led to believe he's not the mastermind of it through the other two prelude scenes, then the leash is dropped in the third
could've phrased it better but yea

[tall echo]

iirc they were actually taken over faster than any other faction

[dark compass]

i can imagine why

[tall echo]

The manipulator was lying

[dark compass]

not exactly a combat unit

[tall echo]

But that's not why

The veils gave them hopeful visions, so many took them willingly

[iron tiger]

Veils aren’t true mind control are they?

[tall echo]

They mostly are

[iron tiger]

People can still remember their time veiled so I think they aren’t totally gone

[tall echo]

It needs extremely strong resolve to resist them

[strange plinth]

tells them whatever they need to keep doing narmer's will

[tall echo]

Mind control doesn't require mind removal

[iron tiger]

It’s just that the conscience or will of the veiled is taking a backseat

[iron tiger]

Indeed

[tall echo]

Will, maybe, conscience, no

[iron tiger]

Indeed I remember watching a video stating that the drifter was able to resist because the veil failed to lull him with the memories of lotus

Because the veils using kuva made them linked to our reality

Or the use of kuva in their production is posited at the very least

[strange plinth]

memories can't get corrupted when you don't have the relevant memories it feeds
as far as the veil was concerned, that was the operator

[drowsy saddle]

Quantum mechanics is what saved the drifter from the veil

[tall echo]

And teshin and kahl were just built so different that they focused their veils off

[iron tiger]

They made the veils pretty balanced for the wf universe

OP enough to conquer but not enough to build a civilization

Makes me wonder if the corrupted veils are permanent or if the persons mind, body or oro can be salvaged

[tall echo]

The neural sentry works differently

And don't bring up oro, oro is irrelevant

[iron tiger]

You can’t stop me 😈

[iron tiger]

How so, I was under the impression it was a type of cephalon controlling individuals

[tall echo]

It doesn't manipulate, it actually controls

[iron tiger]

Ok makes sense, so is the persons conscious rendered entirely inactive? No emotions, instincts or memories being generated after corruption?

[tall echo]

Pretty much

I doubt removing the masks is safe either considering how quickly they attach

[iron tiger]

Yep, even the veils look like they’re hard to keep off

[tall echo]

Probably forcefully bolts itself in or smth

[iron tiger]

I’m pretty sure it literally sends golden tendrils into the body and onto the nervous system

Through the mouth and nose

[tall echo]

Nothing specific is seen

[iron tiger]

True

I wonder if the neural sentry can see the hivemind for a split second when it corrupts a infested healer

[azure jasper]

Kahl and Clem are pretty much tied for me as favorite Grineer.

I think Kahl being dedicated to something besides himself (his Brothers) without being subservient to them might be part of what allowed him to unveil himself.

[narrow pendant]

valdur is up there for me too, the commander in the old peace

"dont go to tauron academy tomorrow" approved

[dapper bloom]

help me with this

Did Roathe spend as much time in the past as the Operator has been asleep since The Fall of the Empire?

i feel like i didnt understand his recount of events

[strange plinth]

he was there until he figured out a helminth to get back, afaik
time travel is odd

[dapper bloom]

because it a bit difficult for me to graps

the way he speaks sometimes makes me feel like it hasnt been much time since he got pulled into the past

[strange plinth]

can't have been too long
Lyon and Marie both witnessed him get dropped on the doorstep

[dapper bloom]

fact check me

[narrow pendant]

yup pretty much

[strange plinth]

yea that looks correct

[narrow pendant]

dont forget the very important "roathe aurafarming on top of the churchtower on a stormy night" between these

it is essential to his plot

[strange plinth]

true,,

[dapper bloom]

😆 can't skip that part!

[narrow pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-on-building-black-spiderman-spider-man-gif-5562809860768679870

[dapper bloom]

hahahahahaha

[narrow pendant]

[narrow pendant]

birbecca

[dire mountain]

No because he was taken there a few years prior to XX99

Its just he had to stay there for a good few years and reverse engineer a helminth which spit him into the current era

So hes only been there for a few years on his end

But hes been missing since after the old peace ended

[narrow pendant]

absolute descendia

[nova aspen]

“Man I wish New Zealand had more reasons to visit!”

The humble kiwi:

[narrow pendant]

she looks both like the bird and the fruit

[azure jasper]

I'm still nit sure what version of time travel we're working on. Eternalism seems to indicate Multiverse Theory, but then the deal with Wally supposedly collapsed all those into two versions, Operator and Drifter. So that means we should be dealing with Single Timeline model...and now I need to take a rest.

[narrow pendant]

there are still multiverses, its just all our operators were collapsed while the other universes still exist

example for it is how Eleanor once meditated of a version of her that became a nun

[narrow pendant]

most plausable theory is whenever we die, one of infinite collapsed versions dies for us instead, as seen in the war within sections on death & that TNW handshake

[strange plinth]

those war within sections are also in a dreamscape-esque thing,,

[narrow pendant]

isnt it in the void

[azure jasper]

Didn't Chains of Harrow do a similar thing too?

[narrow pendant]

it came up in other quests again, that respawn scene, i just couldnt name specific names other than the war within

[lean garden]

personally I highly doubt a 4DC type situation when we die

I think its just us persisting beyond the physical and recouperating

[narrow pendant]

works too

[lean garden]

it tallies with what you tell the hex

think it was quincy

[crimson bobcat]

||ye i thik the xx99 is in early 1699 or mabie 1599 becose of the whole crusade thing||

[hazy prism]

some KIM spoilers ||Marie and Lyon make mention of a revolution(Lyon specifically mentionin his grandfather taking part in it), alluding to the French revolution, so it's atleast past 1799, most likely 1899||

[crimson bobcat]

||he also mentions great plauge wich points back to 1599 or 1699 so it can´t be bouth||

[brittle siren]

does during 1599 and 1699 French language sound like modern day though?

[strange plinth]

no, marie's french is very modern
which is more than likely just making it more understandable to modern audiences than it being a way to figure out when XX99 is

[hazy prism]

yes but when he mentions something from the past it doesn't mean he lived through it, just it happened in the past, the revolution one is important because he mentions his grandparents met in during the revolution, thus it has a point in time we can extrapolate when he's born

[crimson bobcat]

ahh make sense

[brittle siren]

What nationality is Lyon btw?

French too?

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[hazy prism]

making some assumptions, if the revolution happened in 1799,his grand parents met , lets say Lyon is born 60 ish years later, so born around 1859

[brittle siren]

So if it is 1899 then Marie speaking modern French would make more sense

[pale cedar]

Warframe letting us see Proto Parents when?

[crimson bobcat]

he does not really speak french so mabie from french colony that england had if we talk from IRL perspective if from warframe idk

[brittle siren]

Proto Jade

[hazy prism]

well, Vellimir and Minerva do exist

[pale cedar]

True

[brittle siren]

Btw do they get married before encountering Neci?

[hazy prism]

yes redacting this cause suddenly i'm not sure

[brittle siren]

I wonder why they didn't have a biological child before becoming proto

I mean a sister for Neci

[hazy prism]

i know at the very least, Minerva and Velimir knew each other and probably started a relationship before meeting Neci

[brittle siren]

Or brother

[strange turtle]

I mean they could’ve just been content with one

[hazy prism]

tbh the way i see it is, their jobs and lives were too dangerous, so having a baby to toddler could be dangerous, but Neci was some what grown up when they ended up adopting her

[strange turtle]

That and Neci was likely a handful given her childhood, and their jobs would’ve probabalyy kept them quite busy

[brittle siren]

Btw Amir is the youngest out of any Proto right? (beside Rauthe)

[brittle siren]

Yeah make sense

Tbh Jade proto prob never happen

[strange turtle]

Kaya

[brittle siren]

Oh yeah I forgot she a college student

[hazy prism]

Kaya, is the youngest confirmed, at 19, but the rest we don't have confirmed ages, we did headcanon some ages yesterday and Amir being mid 20s vibes the best

[brittle siren]

Iirc Amir has a job so he has to be 19+

[strange turtle]

Was an internship so could be lower

But also was at a nuclear power plant, and was a pretty advanced role too so probably not

[brittle siren]

The oldest maybe Vellimir

Wait nvm Lyon is

[hazy prism]

well Roathe (depending on how you measure his age) but Velimir and Minerva would be runner ups

[brittle siren]

I forgot Roathe did change his body at least once

Yeah he is by far the oldest by age

Though this begs a question
Can he perform another continuity

[hazy prism]

that's an interesting question, the helminth probably messes with the process somewhat

[pale cedar]

No, he says he can’t

[hazy prism]

like Kuva did weird stuff with Voruna making the wolves and her fuse

[brittle siren]

Oh ok

Tbh I want to be an Uriel too

[pale cedar]

Same reason the family can’t just swap bodies if given one

Infestation evolves quickly

[brittle siren]

With at least a mind like Umbra

[opaque zenith]

They turned themselves into Uriels, Drifter! Honorablest thing i've ever seen!

[brittle siren]

I wonder why Wally never transform into Drifter form even once

Also does anyone know what Uriel said during his ult?

[hollow siren]

Razul-tarat Kanummu

[pale cedar]

Because that would cause Orbiter issues

[hollow siren]

says one of those three words on any ability cast too

Vythelas also has a bunch of Voidtongue lines when he makes runes

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Uriel/Media

Vythelas reminds me a bit of the Gruzzlings

[fast dew]

Gross little things.

[hollow siren]

Uriel and his goons

[pale cedar]

Uriels demons take up 3 slots in Simulacrum from the usual 20

[hollow siren]

10 casts of Demonium temporarily fixes that maybe

[pale cedar]

I wonder if DE intended for that to happen because demon bad or something

[hollow siren]

likely not

Although it would be kinda funny if Uriel's loathability spread to the game itself

even the universe looks at Uriel and is like "ew"

[opaque zenith]

Test with nekros, if you can summon the dead and still get other 20, is a bug (is for sure a Uriel bug, but idk if it spreads to other frames)