lore-discussion

[fast dew]

We end as we began or whatever

[pine orchid]

I was never properly diagnosed with the tism, but my therapist says I probably am looking at my screening test
-# I cried over selling the family car.....

[solar salmon]

I lowk dodged an audhd diagnosis and only got generalized anxiety because I refused to get extra remedial classes at school I don't know what the hell they were on over there

[fast dew]

They tried telling me it was my ptsd, which is true, they represent very similarly, but dawg. Vacuums.

[pine orchid]

my partner likened me more to aoi than amir though tbf

[iron tiger]

Warframe 2099 would interesting

[solar salmon]

The entire loop is just a nuke blowing up

Right in the drifters face

[iron tiger]

100 year after techrot who knows how the orokin empire started

[solar salmon]

They prolly started on their earliest meat architecture

[iron tiger]

We could find out then

[strange plinth]

still have some radiation wars to go through
which would be much more interesting to see imo

(and by some i mean at least 18)

[solar salmon]

At minimum yeah

Maybe a little more as a treat

[fast dew]

Reminder to the new folk here

Loid can double jump

[solar salmon]

Its his old man yaoi powers

They rival deals with the indifference

[iron tiger]

The system probably had dozens of early orokin enemies inhabiting each planet for there to be 18

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/77176186148499456/1435489161602928650/Tumblr_l_1222864187355579.gif

Go my twink

[iron tiger]

I wonder if any craters exist from the nukes of this era

[strange plinth]

the infestation
everything we have on the radiation wars is against the infestation

[iron tiger]

Oh wow

That makes sense from the point of 1999

[solar salmon]

We still don't know the origin of it right

[strange plinth]

nope

[iron tiger]

Were the infested more widespread earlier in the storyline? Inhabiting several planets?

[solar salmon]

I'm trying to think what interaction of forces in the universe would lead to the infestation but it seems to be a fundamental force in the first place. But it can't be randomly just there because alien life is categorically not a thing unless you believe the flowers are alien

[iron tiger]

Cuz they’re in mercury, Deimos and eris mostly + some dark sectors

[fast dew]

Deimos was purposefully nuked

[solar salmon]

Deimos prenuking had to be crazy

[iron tiger]

Wasn’t it an infested bomb?

[fast dew]

I mean nuked with infestation 😭

[strange plinth]

the infestation had spread to the outer colonies, whatever that means, based on some vitruvian dialogue. "Our horros past, our ravaged outer colonies... became gardens!"
but the extent to how far it got and during what radiation wars is unknown afaik

[pine orchid]

maybe the infestation was like an ancient superfungus that was sleeping under the polar ice caps until ppl started drilling into it and global warming and stuff Xd

[strange plinth]

yea deimos was infested via a bio-bomb to prevent the sentients getting to the heart

[fast dew]

This is the vallis underminds's whole story iirc

[iron tiger]

Imagine the infestation is the only alien in warframe

[fast dew]

Nup

[iron tiger]

I wonder if it could infest the xenoflora 🤔

[fast dew]

We did have the confirmation that only the xenoflora were

[strange plinth]

prolly. if it would gain anything from doing so is the interesting bit

[iron tiger]

If it severed one hivemind could it maybe do the same with the infested?

[pine orchid]

yeah I'm not sure if we ever got more explanation on it, but maybe smth similar was on earth

[solar salmon]

Is that WoG or from the quest only cuz I still believe that stuffs engineered

It stinks of orokin bs so bad

[iron tiger]

Earth is on a whole new geological era

[strange plinth]

the stream prior to the old peace release stated that it was the only alien life discovered

• the quest says it as well iirc

[fast dew]

Ehh, the orokin don't really have a history of warping.. well. History, do they?

[iron tiger]

iirc they eradicated all records of old earth

So everything pre-1999 presumably

[strange plinth]

more like everything pre-orokin

[pine orchid]

they seemed like they would do that, after what they did in old peace

[fast dew]

Mm, clearly they didn't. The floofs exist for a reason.

[solar salmon]

The orokin hated the dinosaurs

Another strike against em

[strange plinth]

must've. this is the only explanation for no dinoframe

[fast dew]

This reminded me of how dinosaurs do not exist in the doom universe

[strange plinth]

whuh

[iron tiger]

How did albrecht know of 1999 and xx99 then? Wouldn’t orokin history have year 0 be the start of the calendar?

[fast dew]

The oldest creature was a demon native to earth. Iirc it was the aggadon or whatever it's name is in doom eternal.

[iron tiger]

With year 0 being the empire’s founding

[fast dew]

Yes demons often came from other places it happens a few times

[strange plinth]

there's a bunch of calculations leading to him figuring out 1999 in the netracells iirc
and not everything was destroyed, but a very significant amount of it was

[fast dew]

The titans we see are from argent dnur, pre-maykrean era

[solar salmon]

Whatever wasn't destroyed would have been hoarded

Naturally, only someone like Albrecht would have been able to do the bs needed to get access most likely

[fast dew]

Loid and Albrecht made active attempts at preserving things

Mm yes I can spell

[strange plinth]

happens

[fast dew]

Im watching a show and tried typing w out lookin 💔

[solar salmon]

Except when loid stained the grimoire with tears and ripped it up while listening to his depression playlist

But that was a moment of weakness

[fast dew]

This is so real of him

"CUZ 2NITE WILL B THE NITE THAT I WILL FALL 4 U 💔" or whatever

Nah that seems more of an Albrecht thing

[solar salmon]

Loid would have loved break up and heartbreak rnb songs

[fast dew]

Loid would listen to chappell roan methinks

[solar salmon]

The concept of loid at a Lauryn hill concert tickles me

[fast dew]

Loid needs to be in his sad girl era

[pine orchid]

tub of ice cream and unreasonably large bar of chocolate included

[fast dew]

And a hot water bottle

With a cover he made himself

[pine orchid]

pink snuggly blankie and slippers

[solar salmon]

If we ever get music from xx99 or the refractory somehow we should give it to him, kaellis taking all the on-lyne stuff

[fast dew]

I think Albrecht mightve liked them so maybe

[solar salmon]

Beating up roathes thoughts till they cough out a gramophone

[fast dew]

There's so many weird things I love about the characterisations of Loid and Albrecht

[solar salmon]

Actually I think back then the best you could do as far as recording music goes is a music box

The idea of Albrecht leaving behind a music box for loid is very cute

[fast dew]

Loid apparently made the cavia and hex floofs, he can draw, he seemingly helped raise Euleria. Albrecht is very nice to women, especially those he sees similar to his own daughter, he designs furniture, he owned a clothing store

This stupid ass sign. It means "timeless style". TIMELESS STYLE.

ITS A MUCKING JOKE.

[solar salmon]

That's why the backroom is so cozy

Hes such a nerd

[fast dew]

Both of them are so neat

Oh i do wish I attached myself to the sentients instead of some old gay men

[drowsy saddle]

i feel like Albrecht could defeat the indifference via dad jokes

[fast dew]

He absolutely could.

[drowsy saddle]

unfortunately his self loathing is stopping him from realizing this

[fast dew]

Operator calling wally "yo mumma"

[fast dew]

See someone who acknowledges he has a weird self loathing thing

[drowsy saddle]

kinda obvious

[fast dew]

Lotta folk assume he's egotistical for some reason

[fast dew]

Some people also think Loid is straight. People aren't smart.

[drowsy saddle]

like Roathe is his stand in for the question of "Can the Orokin be forgiven"

[drowsy saddle]

"roommates"
"Master and his servant"

[fast dew]

One ive seen more than once is "father and son"

[solar salmon]

The very subtle moment where Albrecht goes not my type and the indifference swaps to loid, what could they have meant by this

Incredibly subtle so very straight

[fast dew]

"Not my type" yeah I see you Albrecht YOUR TYPE IS MEN

[drowsy saddle]

doomed toxic yaoi

[strange plinth]

ah yes. "my loid" "my albrecht"
definitely father and son language. mhm. yeah.

[drowsy saddle]

Albrecht "Boykisser" Entrati

[fast dew]

Albrecht "manipulative queer with the mandatory doc martins and belt chain" Entrati

[solar salmon]

I want his hat so bad I hope they restock that

[fast dew]

-# I have had more than a few experiences with people like that. The docs and belt chain are common.

[drowsy saddle]

does Albrecht need to look like the hyperbuff TF2 characters before people realize which way he swings

[fast dew]

HA

He wears mucking purple eyeliner

Is that not proof enough

[drowsy saddle]

also the fact that he went to Fr*nce is proof enough, dontcha know that depending on the time of day they go either way

[frank galleon]

Jotaro hat

[drowsy saddle]

Albrecht Joestar Entrati

Steel Path Run

[solar salmon]

"No Lyon you must take your shirt off for the serum to take effect" "Marie, do not"

[fast dew]

I mean, he is kinda built like that when blue. Bro is built like a fridge.
-# lines drawn for clarity

[fast dew]

No like. Lyon did that on his own accord

He thought of it himself

[frank galleon]

He’s a flagellant and that seems hard to do with your shirt on

[solar salmon]

The voices prolly told him to show off his midriff

[fast dew]

"Yeah so the protoframe serum will- ... where your clothes at-"

[drowsy saddle]

lyon got no clothes but he has the thurible self flagelance chain on him

priorities

[solar salmon]

I mean Lua wills it

[fast dew]

The fact Albrecht has probably seen two blonde men somewhat naked scares and disgusts me

[solar salmon]

Hes probably seen so many more

Boo

[fast dew]

I don't think he knows many blonde men

[drowsy saddle]

the orokin be freaky

[fast dew]

Albrecht was purposefully against that shit 😭

[drowsy saddle]

also how sure are we that Albrecht had a wife?

[solar salmon]

Hes probably seen people chairs and walked out the function

[drowsy saddle]

and mother isn't just a test tube baby

[solar salmon]

Literally did

[drowsy saddle]

okay but how sure are we that this isn't just a coverup

[fast dew]

It was an arranged marriage.

[solar salmon]

Though we don't know what exactly happened to her and I guess it could have been in vitro if he isn't bi or sumn

Roathe was almost certainly above Albrecht in some aspects of the hierarchy there's no way he wouldn't have known if it wasn't a coverup

[fast dew]

I mean, having a child doesn't necessarily mean attraction. I can list more than a few examples of gay men being in straight relationships because "that's what is expected of them"

[drowsy saddle]

i mean regardless, Gerivaine not being relevant to the current family means she skidaddled soon after the marriage

[fast dew]

... she's dead.

[drowsy saddle]

damnit

[solar salmon]

Most likely to some orokin bs

[fast dew]

She died after Euleria's birth.

[drowsy saddle]

sus

[fast dew]

Early, so before the night of the naga drums.

[drowsy saddle]

natural and death don't mix for orokin

[fast dew]

Mhm. I have a feeling she wasn't even an orokin.

[drowsy saddle]

orokin die via murphy's law and nothing else

that and the FAFO principle

[solar salmon]

Honestly if roathe knows her name she probably was I think

[fast dew]

"Given" an orokin. How incredulous.

[drowsy saddle]

maybe high ranking archimedian?

[fast dew]

Mm. Maybe.

[drowsy saddle]

though roathe's words about orokin field commanders imply that there's an internal hiearchy for the orokin families

[fast dew]

Oh probably

[drowsy saddle]

my guess is that the Entratis are upper-middle class, and Gerivaine is from a lower strata of orokin

[fast dew]

The entrati family likely became the highest after Albrecht's invention.

[drowsy saddle]

yeah but at that point Mother was already acting as Albrecht's assistant

albrecht was the laughing stock before the finger

[fast dew]

Well. Albrecht kinda nuked the family name to dirt

[solar salmon]

I can see a family throwing their eighth daughter at Albrecht with the strongly worded advice of a higher ranking orokin cuz his scientific failures are lowk ruining their aura

[drowsy saddle]

pot and kettle tbh, Abrecht's shizo ramblings was ridiculed only because it was about the void and not telenovella political intrigue

imagine instead of void research Abrecht became a political commentator about the goings on in Orokin high society

Albrecht "Keemstar" Entrati

[solar salmon]

Also I doubt they even thought Albrecht was stupid only that he was bashing his head to chase a fairy tale. The wife attempt was most likely to get him to back off and maybe have her softly redirect his smarts elsewhere

[fast dew]

I do feel bad for Albrecht, regarding the arranged marriage.

Noone deserves that.

[drowsy saddle]

i wonder if that happened with Albrecht's mom too

since he never mentions his own father

[fast dew]

Albrecht seems to just. Like women platonically lol

[drowsy saddle]

maybe the Entratis were dying a slow social death since his mother's era

[fast dew]

Its a consistent thing with him

[drowsy saddle]

"the token gay dude brought along to girls night as a buffer"

[solar salmon]

I remember being told at 21 that some distant relatives in the old world and my grandma discussed the subject cuz some stranger in her 30s didn't have a husband yet I was astounded

[fast dew]

[solar salmon]

There was absolutely no way for it to go through so it's thankfully just a very funny story

[fast dew]

I've never liked it. It only leads to horrific outcomes.

[drowsy saddle]

those only end well in fairy tales (i.e light novels)

[fast dew]

He keeps Daughter's, Mother's and Grandmother's tokens in the netracells, he was soft towards Marie and Kaya, he only mentions his mother, oraxia as whole

Why is he like this

[drowsy saddle]

maybe that's why Wally posseses Rusalka and not Viktor

[fast dew]

Oh, but his wife, he didnt even care that she died.

[drowsy saddle]

gotta have some boomer attributes

[solar salmon]

I can see resentment building from an arranged marriage

Esp if she was against yknow loid

[fast dew]

Absolutely, that's what I think.

[fast dew]

She probably was. He was a servant, historically, the orokin do not like their servants.

[solar salmon]

"My damn husband won't let me beat the manservant"

[drowsy saddle]

i wonder how much of Albrecht and Loid's relationship was before the whole Seriglass incident

[fast dew]

Loid seemingly helped raise Euleria, so I'd say rather close.

[fast dew]

I will be demonising her because yes

[solar salmon]

Honestly wouldnt be surprising if Albrecht somehow was involved in her death

But that seems a little much for him

[fast dew]

I think it was more his lack of involvement.

[solar salmon]

Cuz there's no way with orokin tech people just died at birth like that

And euleria was clearly unharmed unless I feel like it'd have been mentioned

[fast dew]

Maybe thats why she's a lil abnormal

[drowsy saddle]

"Time to cut the umbilical cord"
Seriglass scalpel slips from hand and slits her throat

"oh no..."

[solar salmon]

Maybe Albrechts cold towards her death cuz she yknow left their daughter alone with him by suicide

[fast dew]

I think he purposefully let her die. Made sure Euleria was okay and let her die.

I don't fully blame him.

[thin moss]

i didnt realise that the night of the naga drum meant that the tenno slaughered the orokins in a single night, i thought the war lasted much longer, holy

[drowsy saddle]

Well most of them, the leverian has a few tales of post naga drum orokin deaths

[stiff fable]

they were all in one place

There was a fair bit of cleanup after but we got most of them in that one night

[thin moss]

fair, i assume the continuity ritual is one where the most important figures all stay in a single spot, and voruna opened the gates

[stiff fable]

mmm kinda yes

Lua was the center of Orokin civilization, so everything really important was there

But the ceremony for the Tenno was apparently on Pluto

[fast dew]

Not even a planet 💔

[thin moss]

do not diss my boy pluto 💔

[drowsy saddle]

Well ||Temple|| has to show up somehow

[stiff fable]

Halle-Bopp

[strange plinth]

the emperors died during the naga drums, at least. stalker mentions that they're there
tuvul escaped from the ceremony itself iirc
karishh prolly wasn't even there tbh
ballas specifically wasn't a target, because the whole thing was orchestrated

[drowsy saddle]

The fat one escaped too, since grendel eats him on europa

[fast dew]

Karrish and his fatass probably flew out of there

[strange plinth]

avantus died somewhere else idr
i wouldn't be surprised regardless of if she escaped from the ceremony or wasn't there to begin with

[fast dew]

looks up
sees Karrish go faster than what I can see
accepts fate of being murdered by children

I still don't really know what she did that was so bad 😭

[strange plinth]

she exists only in the one synthesis entry afaik
in which she's just kinda. racist towards grineer. and a little rude to bilsa

[fast dew]

Oh, so like. Daughter

Those things are lowkey forgivable

Person is gonna be a bigot if they know nothing else

[drowsy saddle]

Considering her statue has a paintbrush, im willing to bet that she set the orokin standards of beauty

[strange plinth]

i'd assume that she's done worse, being an executor, but there's absolutely no proof for it atm
but i also have No Opinion on her so. doesn't matter much

[fast dew]

...thats a knife

Thats a stabby tool i am not allowed to hold

[thin moss]

try hard enough and you certainly can paint with a knife

[fast dew]

See: hannibal
Or whatever

[thin moss]

wouldnt surprise me if she used it to carve instead tho, especially after knowing her disdain for the grineer

[fast dew]

God that show has permanently changed my brain chemistry

[strange plinth]

tbh the wildest part about that synthesis is that bilsa is in another entry but avantus only gets the one

[fast dew]

Blonde older man of dubious moral standing with a weird connection to another male, usually with dark hair and some form of trauma.

This has happened 3 times now

[hazy prism]

do we have official size measurements of the Tenno Railjack?

[pale cedar]

No

[strange turtle]

Roathe also mentions them being dead

[strange plinth]

oh cool, more reliable confirmation

[eager dragon]

Now if only there was confirmation on how many Emperors there were... (please tell it's in a Roathe conversation I haven't reached yet not knowing is bugging me so much)

[pale cedar]

More than 1

[strange turtle]

Less than 32

[strange plinth]

safe estimates

[drowsy saddle]

HRE type shi ngl

[stiff fable]

lmao I was today years old when I found out that Suda crewmembers periodically drill holes into your railjack

[strange plinth]

wh
what

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/images/DRJCrewIdle1530RJCSFem_en.ogg?08361

[drowsy saddle]

Lmao

[strange plinth]

oh ok ! thanks for taking pieces of the hull, i guess???
samples. whatever

[drowsy saddle]

Goddammit if you want samples just ask for wreckage

I wouldn't mind handing off a couple armor plating sets for some standing

[stiff fable]

this is just a guess but it's almost certainly 2

[drowsy saddle]

Duality perhaps? Divine emmissaries of Sol and Lua

[stiff fable]

Because the Orokin set themselves up originally using Dualism as their motif

Yeah exactly

[eager dragon]

I assumed 2 as well, but it would be nice to have confirmation.

[stiff fable]

Anyway, crew lore

[eager dragon]

Also to shoot whoever wrote 7 emperors in the wiki withought a source.

[stiff fable]

Rando grineer can dent your railjack with a punch

"I still hear them calling us to obey. Oh, I want to—very badly. Always ends with a bulkhead dented and my hand busted. Disobedience isn't a choice I only make once. It's a fah-sukh-ung lifestyle. And it hurts."

[pale cedar]

That would’ve also been before we had the 7 in game but had Ordis saying the 7

[stiff fable]

Red Veil crewmembers are just derranged

[drowsy saddle]

The orokin have a pyramid social structure, not sure Why'd they have the same number of emperors to executors

[stiff fable]

They do know about the Helminth though, which is concerning for several reasons

oh never mind apparently the Tenno just talk about this stuff

[drowsy saddle]

Depends on their relation to it

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/images/DRJCrewIdle2240RJRVMale_en.ogg?039f6

you just... told them about the Helminth

We need to put the kids back to sleep, this is hell on op-sec

[pale cedar]

Operator wasn’t thinking there

What if they snitch

Do we feed them to Helminth?

[stiff fable]

I like this plan

[eager dragon]

Can we make a custom warframe, maybe?

[stiff fable]

Arbiters know about the Zariman

crewmembers were added... alongside Tempestarii right?

[pale cedar]

Railjack crew were added in 2021

Angels was 2022

[stiff fable]

29.10

That means they have at least one Tenno in the actual ranks

[drowsy saddle]

Or some unredacted orokin records

[stiff fable]

equally interesting, since the info was highly restricted

aww, Perrin has the best lines

"You don't have to learn the other guy's language if all you want to do is plant an axe in his head. But trade? That means communication. And once you understand what he's saying, you realize you've got more in common than you thought."
"Sorry. I was daydreaming. Thinking of all that space out there and the amazing people in it that we can talk to. Myconians, Cephalons, the Entrati... even Sentients, maybe, one day. We've just got to believe."

[strange plinth]

idk why i'm surprised about the entrati being mentioned
one of the bounties is literally 'we hired a corpus guy lmao go help him'

[stiff fable]

"I always get a little jittery going into the Void. Keep thinking I'm going to see Parvos Granum looking at me through the window. Or something even worse."

heheheheh

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-gif-17552966235424643644

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/images/DRJCrewIdle0760RJPSMale_en.ogg?86b80

[drowsy saddle]

insert gif of Parvos doing a Digital Insanity with his golden hand

[strange plinth]

oh, i need that now

[drowsy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-insanity-template-virtual-insanity-virtual-insanity-slow-gif-2026607390045211562

[stiff fable]

hahaha

https://wiki.warframe.com/images/DRJCrewIdle3640RJNLFem_en.ogg?4342b

Loka's a laugh

the sheer suppressed rage when talking about Cy

[strange plinth]

its the sigh beforehand that gets me
very upset about Cy

[stiff fable]

they also have a purebred Kavat which gets the sideeye from me

[drowsy saddle]

"purebred"

Sus

[stiff fable]

Also dang, Meridian goes hard
"I did bad things, if I don't pay for my actions, I don't own myself, so here I am with you settling my tab, I may have been born a clone but I sure as hell ain't dying as one."

[strange plinth]

wh. what

[stiff fable]

some people reveal things about themselves they really shouldn't in anonymous spaces

[viscid aspen]

Best syndicate fr

[unique talon]

For the love of Jesus Christ, why do orokin people are so Unbearable

Roathe is the best reflection of that

[hollow siren]

Rich people

[unique talon]

No wonder Harrow and wisp hate him so much

[unique talon]

Everything in this game happened because of their greed for more and more luxury

[unique aspen]

Trading w/ the Sentients... soon, buddy, soon

[unique aspen]

The struggle is real

[unique aspen]

Extremely cool

[dark compass]

Tau update. sentient syndicate leader voiced by jennifer english

Trust

[burnt light]

Why did j thought if the Corpo guys, since think they care more about profits

[little quest]

what exactly is a DE

[hollow siren]

Digital Extremes, the studio that makes Warframe

[little quest]

i see

[rare scarab]

wait is it lore accurate that there is only one special tenno that has the drifter, had 1999 happen to them and the Old Peace?

[little quest]

and my next question how does this tennobaum thing work and how do i get gifts from it? i havent seen one of these before

[solar hatch]

Another info demonstrating how insane the tenno are, where we treat grineers - all obstensively genetic supersoilders, like paper

[unique aspen]

Yea, as far as the plot is concerned, your kid is special like that

[hollow siren]

Yes, since we're the one who made the Deal with Wally

[solar hatch]

Others already chimed in so ig I'll just say that narratively, the players' tenno are all the Chosen Operator, within their own narrative

[rare scarab]

so lore wise the special tenno would be the only one with 1999 weapons and Old Peace? Would this include the drifter related armory too ig?

[solar hatch]

obviously not everyone's Chosen, but in your own playthrough, your tenno's the Chosen Operator, and every other players in your game is simply not
you know, I wonder how other tennos got informed of sanctum, since tagfer netracells dialogue brings up going with a team

[burnt light]

I just assume by current events you are the last Tenno

[hollow siren]

No

[solar hatch]

Yeah I don't think we're the last, lots of missions like survival mentions tenno operative

not to mention the "warframe cryopod" featuring humanoid dudes that is probably hibernating tennos

[hollow siren]

tbf that's moreso Oldframe remnants

[tall echo]

Absolutely not

[unique aspen]

The story quests honestly have that vibe a lot of the time, it's v much just you and the Lotus. But, yea, there are occasional winks at & practical acknowledgements of you having up to 3 other Tenno with you.

[tall echo]

Those... are adults. In see-through containers

[rare scarab]

ig the tenno could easily just share his bps with the rest but idk

[hollow siren]

They're remnants from Oldframe when Tenno and Warframes were synonymous

[pale cedar]

The special Tenno is whoever shook the hand

[unique aspen]

In theory, there should be a sizeable amount of Operators w/ memories of Perita, so they could just unlock their own rebellion memories. But, yea, no Duviri stuff.

[tall echo]

cut to a tenno making jazz hands

[rare scarab]

Lore wise only one incarnon user too 🤔🤔

[loud oriole]

there are multiple John Operators, but only one singular John Drifter

[hollow siren]

Besides, the whole "there are many Tenno" was initially just an attempt to give an in-game explanation for the game being multiplayer

[tall echo]

Uhh...

[solar hatch]

I just remembered that the hostages we rescued during rescue missions are also tenno operatives lol

[tall echo]

Tenno operative=/=tenno

[pale cedar]

Tenno Operator vs Tenno faction

[burnt light]

Tenno without a frame

[unique aspen]

The Zariman's there for everyone, innit? And you could justify having the old weapon incarnons through other Void interactions, they're not tied to Duviri particularly.

[hollow siren]

They're from before we even had a solid idea what "Tenno" meant beyond just the Warframes

[tall echo]

Nop

[tall echo]

Ok and

[solar hatch]

Nah we very much is intended to have multiple tennos, lots of dialogue and lore everywhere that states as much

[tall echo]

Tenno operatives are people working for the tenno faction, not tenno themselves

[pale cedar]

Tbh DE still had Operator planned

[solar hatch]

They simply aren't the "Chosen" one

[unique aspen]

I always figured the Tenno operative in survival was like the rescue target, some doofus in a bodysuit w/ a lotus logo on their visor

[solar hatch]

Could be that, could be another Tenno with a wf

[pale cedar]

They don’t ever do Tenno ability stuff

Because they weren’t on the ship

[solar hatch]

Admittedly, Im also leaning to Survival Tenno Operative being the dudes we rescue in Rescue Mission

[pale cedar]

I don’t know who would be insane enough to think they can do a Tenno’s job though

[solar hatch]

Although I heard old players said there's an old mission type where you play as that guy

and Survival's mentioning of the tenno operative is sort of a homage to it

[tall echo]

Bruh wat

[solar hatch]

"That guy" just means we're the ones looting, not the normal tenno operative, sorry for making it obtuse

[burnt light]

Those Tenno operatives I imagine are doing small stuff while we do the bigger stuff, and we just come in to help every now and then

[unique aspen]

New War before we had New War

[tall echo]

No I mean who is claiming that that's just not the case

[burnt light]

Playing as the Grineer and Corpo guy?

[hollow siren]

That might just be them misremembering Recovery

[pale cedar]

The only non Tenno in the Tenno faction we have ever played as is Teshin and Kahl ig

[solar hatch]

: P probably, Im new-ish and only heard it from secondhand info so I could be wrong, yes

oh crap its late in the night gtg sleep bye

[weary dawn]

So confused near the end of old peace, was wally somewhat in control or is that the origin of his infamous voice line?

[hollow siren]

Seems he was trying or in the process of actually taking over

[weary dawn]

I see

Cuz near the end of the uriel section he says the "Rap tap tap"

[hollow siren]

Wally-possessed Rell says the exact line during Chains of Harrow

"Rap, tap, tap. You'll let me in, little piggy!"

[weary dawn]

I see

[tall echo]

Operator's been hearing wally, so they were using his line there bc he was influencing them

[burnt light]

I feel could’ve been the Operator still, Wally maybe was close to taking over as well then

[weary dawn]

Maybe that's what margulus is talking about with the dream keeping the voices (wally) out?

[weary dawn]

I see

[unique aspen]

We were on the verge of giving up on the world, acting with callous cruelty towards others - so we're growing closer to the Indifference's perspective in an emotional/thematic sense. And in a literal sense, yea, Wally's been talking in our head trying to goad us into going wild, and now we're doing just that, so yea.

[weary dawn]

I see

[strange turtle]

Also Gargoyle’s Cry

[ocean geyser]

Does Nora know who Wally is? She seems to get a bit concerned when Latrox mentioned the knocking in that transmission

[burnt light]

Honestly it was a valid crashout

[hollow siren]

No clear signs she knows

[pale cedar]

She knows something is not right not that Wally exists

That’s why she calls us

[unique aspen]

Yea, super valid, just also not really acting from a sound place mentally

[weary dawn]

I didn't know that wally was also referenced in duviri lol

At least one of the npcs there hears a "Rap tap tap" as well

[restive river]

The vagabond is probably him

[pale cedar]

Wally isn’t just referenced in Duviri Wally has been to and is in Duviri rn

[restive river]

Also yeah Isleweaver lol

[loud oriole]

anywhere we or entrati goes, wally follows behind

-# or anywhere inherently emitting void energy tbh

[unique aspen]

I do find it v funny how like everything the Drifter ever does has a big "ENTRATI WAS HERE" sign over it, and meanwhile to the Operator he's just some guy who made some weird Void devices

[waxen mesa]

before The Old Peace did we know about....the old peace?

I know Alad V made mention that we were close to a sentient but did we know that there was a break in the old war?

[strange turtle]

That was Natah/Lotus he meant

And no, we didn’t know

[sonic cedar]

I wanted to point out something fun, yall probably realized it ages ago

the old peace and us fighting side by side with sentients makes the warframe sentient skins make much more sense

[waxen mesa]

I mean this is obvious but it was the whole reason Caliban existed

[sonic cedar]

Like, Caliban and Revenant exist. And Caliban is seen as actively used frame during that time period

so it wouldnt be weird to imagine some frames be upgraded by merging with fallen or willing sentients to get "cheap" Prime-like quality on "stock" frames

[waxen mesa]

Idk actively used

[sonic cedar]

also i dont mean like Caliban I mean stuff like Mesa sentient skin etc

[waxen mesa]

It was stolen but I don't think Caliban was ever used by the orokin tenno

It seemed to be still in development

[sonic cedar]

i dont think so
one of pre-enemy-prime lines mentions the baddie saying she doesnt care if it's "controlled or insane"

so Primes were actively deployed

[lilac aspen]

Revenant is when a warframe got corrupt by the Eidolon thingie

He wasn’t an intentional combo, hence why even Ballas was disgusted with his existence

[pale cedar]

There’s one being used by a Tenno in the Vanguard fight

[sonic cedar]

right just in case

[waxen mesa]

That is highly irrelevant?

[sonic cedar]

I mean stuff like this

[sonic cedar]

frame got deployed, it's not "stolen" its just mad

[waxen mesa]

I don't see how "controlled or insane " refers to Caliban specifically

[sonic cedar]

Caliban is one of frames that can be deployed

[waxen mesa]

Yes?

Caliban could have just been stolen

Doesn't mean a Tenno was walking around in it

Anyone can pilot a warframe that's what the transference chair is for

Tenno are just especially good at it

Caliban prime is referred to as still in development during old peace

[lilac aspen]

Controlled or Insane means they’re frames with the thingie attached to them to let them be controlled without needing Void tomfoolery

Or pilotless warframes
Which are insane folk usually

[waxen mesa]

I figured insane referred to uriels

[sonic cedar]

she doesnt send in uriels

[waxen mesa]

She also said she didn't care which

[quick wadi]

Pretty sure insane refers to basically any warframes that aren't being controlled

[lilac aspen]

She’s basically saying
“Hey get one of the warframes that has the ascardis-whatever attached to them, or just airdrop one of the Warframes that’s crazy.”

[quick wadi]

One of those frames with the ankle bracelet

[pale cedar]

They aren’t being piloted they’re being ascarised only Tenno can pilot them till the game actually says they set up transference Tech on Tau

Only Tenno have innate transference

[waxen mesa]

I mean i think it's pretty clear there's transference tech on Perita

[pale cedar]

The only thing clear is there’s the ascaris

Everyone having transference is just wrong

[tall echo]

no, silver grove makes it very clear that not just anyone can pilot a frame

[dark compass]

Let's talk about underappreciated lore

[tall echo]

not without going batsh- crazy that is

[dark compass]

Like Mesa's canonical favorite weapons

[tall echo]

akvasto

[dark compass]

Paracyst, Gammacor and Redeemer

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Gunslinger_Bundle

Get shooting with Mesa and her favorite weapons.

[tall echo]

the bundles don't represent the actual canon loadouts despite the descriptions

[pale cedar]

What is a Cephalons favourite weapon?

[dark compass]

Sorry but I will choose to believe she likes using those weapons

[tall echo]

it's just new update stuff getting shoved in one bundle

[dark compass]

I know but the text isn't going to lie to me

Sorry

[tall echo]

specifics depend on the cephalon, but suda has her own versions of the common ones

[tall echo]

so that means dark sector is canon

[pale cedar]

Suda loves having people drill holes in the Railjack

[tall echo]

and the theoretical sentient AU skins are canon

there's non-canon stuff with vague descriptions that can conflict

[strange turtle]

Also Adis literally says it when he points out Galastra is the one controlling the warframe

[tall echo]

though not through transference

[dark compass]

It's real to me

[tall echo]

then you are wrong

objectively

[dark compass]

I will travel to the void and return Hayden via conceptual embodiment

You are taking what I'm saying too seriously jeez

[tall echo]

mate you're in the lore channel

[dark compass]

And he will have a stroke from the jackal

[tall echo]

anyone who's a regular here is a nerd

[dark compass]

I'm not calling you a nerd

[tall echo]

bruh

[dark compass]

You are but nothing wrong with that

[tall echo]

I am objectively a nerd yes

[normal mountain]

That would be super cool, I must admit
Imagine if those skins were used for Sentient boss fights
sort of like the Prime Vanguard mission, perhaps?

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-earth-eye-falls-water-gif-16877499

[tall echo]

blame my 'tism

[dark compass]

It's ok to be slightly light hearted about things you know

[hollow siren]

Nonchalantism sucks

be obsessed

[tall echo]

only if it's actually funny

[dark compass]

Hey the game says it, I found it funny

[pale cedar]

What would happen if Wally tried to cry?

[dark compass]

If you want to beat the shit out of me for not passing the threshold of your personal sense of humor

Just say it

[tall echo]

didn't say that

[dark compass]

Yeah you didn't

That's why I said "just say it"

[strange turtle]

Duviri gets an ocean instead of not-endless sky

Or the islands flood

[tall echo]

your sense of humor is more rotted than mine though

[dark compass]

Why are we going to personal insults over a harmless joke

[tall echo]

you know those sand "fountains" in the sanctum tileset

[dark compass]

I didn't insult you

:(

[tall echo]

reacting with a nerd emoji is generally used as an insult

[pale cedar]

I take nerd emoji as a compliment

[dark compass]

Well yeah, fair enough

But as I said

Just say if you want to beat the shit out of me or something

[tall echo]

I only take the word as a compliment, default emojis in general are ugly

[hollow wagon]

So how exactly did ordis get his body in the new war?

[tall echo]

yes

[dark compass]

Well my meaning was that

[hollow siren]

Timeskip between act 1 and act 2, so who knows

[dark compass]

Sorry there isn't a legally distinct emote that doesn't make you annoyed

[pale cedar]

He’s had it since the Sacrifice

[hollow wagon]

How long was the timeskip?

[dark compass]

God, tough crowd today

[hollow siren]

Unknown

[strange turtle]

There’s a little story about it but it’s not actually in game

[dark compass]

I am going back to crying and feeling purposeless

[tall echo]

doubt it but sure

[dark compass]

I hope you're happy Scrap!!!

[strange turtle]

Kinda long but not as long as it was meant to seem

[tall echo]

I have depression so... no

[strange turtle]

Like, not long on the scale of warframe’s timeline, but still short term significant

[hollow wagon]

Ty

[pale cedar]

Cephalons can have depression?

[dark compass]

Surely

[tall echo]

sometimes

[dark compass]

Explains why scrap can't take a joke

[normal mountain]

They can also be insane, so this doesn't surprise me

[pale cedar]

I wonder if the reason Simaris wants targets is because he’s depressed

[dark compass]

Believe me I'm like one of the first people to crash out over anti-intellectualism

[tall echo]

that's a combination of 'tism and not liking barely noticable jokes that could be taken as misinformation

I take the lore too seriously for that

[dark compass]

Just say you hate me!!!!

[tall echo]

I don't hate anyone

[dark compass]

Wrong

[tall echo]

except orokin

[dark compass]

See

[tall echo]

specifically nihil

[pale cedar]

I physically can’t hate you as I am a book

[dark compass]

Books hate me just like the fish fear me

I am alone on this barren earth

[tall echo]

books fear me bc they won't get to collect dust

(I store my books safely in a shelf with a glass door)

[dark compass]

Glass? Yet you hate nihil?

[pale cedar]

Opening my book is dangerous if you don’t understand the lore as all the correct information will fry the brain

[tall echo]

my glass is naturally sourced unlike nihil's

[strange turtle]

What if I crumple your pages

[tall echo]

and I hate nihil because he turned me into unnaturally sourced glass

[strange turtle]

Or fold the corners to use as bookmarks

[dark compass]

"Eldritch knowledge driving people mad" is a trope for people who can't accept that they're wrong about things sometimes. I'd win.

Eldritch truths are called truths, no shit

[strange turtle]

I would win because I already know that I’m always right, so I’d just be deepening my understanding

[dark compass]

Some are just too bigoted to accept it

[pale cedar]

The book will set your frame on fire then fly at you with murderous intent

[tall echo]

I'd lose about half my mind, which doesn't make much difference

[ocean geyser]

Putting a bookmark on you

[woven coyote]

Read that as unethically sourced glass for a second....which is also accurate i suppose

[tall echo]

yes that too

[loud oriole]

sometimes when I get bored in my orbiter I just start tapping the void out of nihils crystal.

[dark compass]

What defines ethical glass

[tall echo]

I split nihil into two oubliettes which I then seperated between the present and 1999

[tall echo]

sand

[pale cedar]

DE not letting me kill Nihil was cruel

[hollow siren]

Even then beaches are getting used up for glass production

[woven coyote]

I have a better idea, make a mergoo encloseure and put him there

[hollow siren]

like that's a real issue in the world rn

[woven coyote]

Make him stare at the unfish forever

[tall echo]

void sand

won't have any negative consequences

[eager dragon]

Conceptually Embodied Glass

[loud oriole]

void sand, like regular sand but when taken out of the void it turns into glass after 24h

[tall echo]

if you hear whispers or knocking; no you don't

[rose bloom]

Anyone know what’s up with this?

[tall echo]

ancient teaser for the second dream quest

[rose bloom]

Oh ok

It popped up during me visiting iron wake after unlocking steel path

[tall echo]

at this point it feels like the 2fort cow bc DE is so scared of removing it

[woven coyote]

When translated it basically is a debug message for a in universe system

[tall echo]

it definitely unintentionally became vital to the game being able to run

[rose bloom]

lol

[drifting narwhal]

I quite literally made a shrine for him

[woven coyote]

Or the tf2 coconut

[tall echo]

that one is fake, the 2fort cow is real

[rose bloom]

Or the goku holding up guilty gear strive

[dark compass]

He is a base for characters

[woven coyote]

I see

[dark compass]

He is geniunely holding everything together

[loud oriole]

-# ...wait a minute, i know you

[woven coyote]

Smile and wave

[tall echo]

I love it when games depend on nonsensical stuff

[dark compass]

They basically use fighterz goku as a blueprint for strive characters

So he's just sitting there as a core asset of the game

[tall echo]

I'm sure there's some undiscovered random stuff in other games that would destroy everything when deleted

[rose bloom]

It’s really funny

[eager briar]

Is teshin actually alive in duviri or is it a holdfast situation

[rose bloom]

He’s alive. It’s why he can communicate with you in relays still with that weird void ghost

At first I thought it was another version of teshin created by the drifter. But no it’s him.

ALSO. Couldn’t the drifter just let teshin out of duviri?

[tall echo]

he'd probably die

[quick wadi]

I imagine they probably could if they really really wanted to

[rose bloom]

He already has a few times no? He seems acutely aware of the drifter going through loops.

[tall echo]

I mean permanently

[rose bloom]

Why would that happen?

[tall echo]

because he was inches from death when he got to duviri, it might be his presence there that's keeping him alive

[rose bloom]

So was the Tenno

[tall echo]

also that's a hologram created by one of the conclave cephalons, teshin doesn't communicate through it

[rose bloom]

Release the void uncle

[eager briar]

Nearly a immortal being with nearly infinite power given to them by an Eldridge God might be a bit stronger than old samurai man

[tall echo]

1. not immortal just hard to kill
2. not a god

[eager briar]

I’d say Wally is pretty close to God status

[rose bloom]

Tenno Just very strong dwarves

[proper barn]

You say that. HE GOES INTO OUR MIND AND JUST NO DIFFS US.

[proper barn]

There's a whole conversation to this.

The Drifter says he's more than that in all his options.

[pale cedar]

I just wanted an I agree option

[rose bloom]

What if the indifference is just space depression?

[proper barn]

I don't think we get that cuz its not "true"

To completely agree with him.

Also I think you using that qoute outta context makes your opinion seem more valid.

[pale cedar]

Or maybe DE just wanted the convo to not end in 3 seconds

[eager briar]

I took that less as him giving us the actual answer and him just giving his two cents about the matter

[tall echo]

drifter is an idiot for thinking wally is a god

[rose bloom]

Wait if the Tenno were kids why did they not grow for 1k years? Or during the new war which takes place over multiple years?

[quick wadi]

I mean the qualifications for being called a god are pretty vague

[tall echo]

cryosleep

[pale cedar]

Ice

[rose bloom]

Ok

[tall echo]

also we have no canon timeframe for tnw

[rose bloom]

But the new war

[eager briar]

The reservoir

[tall echo]

and they were in the void during it where time is a suggestion at best

[pale cedar]

New War is after we woke up not 1k years after

[rose bloom]

I didn’t say it was

[quick wadi]

I think they imply enough time passed in TNW to age them a little.

But its unclear where the operator was in all that time

[silk atlas]

Yeah and that's the main issue Roathe has with calling him a "God", because he views it as a way for someone to coddle themselves into think it's not an issue they have created and perpetuated.

[eager briar]

Speaking of aging, why did the drifter only age into like his mid 30s instead of being an old man since he’s been in duviri for at least 1000 years

[tall echo]

if wally was a god, which he isn't, why are we trying to kill it? you can't kill a god
-# Dagothwave starts playing in the background

[tall echo]

void

[rose bloom]

If you had the choice wouldn’t you stay in your prime?

[proper barn]

Same thing I said to Nemesis.

[tall echo]

in. the void.

[hollow siren]

stopped aging once the apathy kicked in

[proper barn]

What do we think God means?

[silk atlas]

Time looping

[woven coyote]

Well the ventkids didnt grow so i kinda doubt new war was "multiple years"

[proper barn]

Like this is basically what like Chaos God's in warhammee are.

[rose bloom]

I thought little duck was supposed to be one of them grown up

[woven coyote]

No

[eager briar]

Canonically the accolades are dead, but we still fight them on steel path, don’t we?

[tall echo]

...bruuuuuuuuh

[woven coyote]

We meet her before new war

[proper barn]

Well in the New War they are stuck in rhe void. Also they where in deep cryo sleep.

[hollow siren]

Yes, that's purely for gameplay purposes

[proper barn]

also we don't know how long the new war was.

[eager briar]

Could be the same with the vent kids

[quick wadi]

A few hours /s

[tall echo]

source?

[hollow siren]

I mean true, yeah. They're not gonna age the characters in-game

[proper barn]

Yes and no? She was technically a vent kid at some point probably. Or well a solaris child. But she was a NPC in Fortuna before the new war.

[hollow siren]

The Operation they were introduced in. They were later on added to SP so that their Arcanes would be permanently available

[tall echo]

hhhhmmmmm

[hollow siren]

lore-wise they have not been seen since that Operation

it's like how Tyana Pass is technically before Tyl Regor's Assassination mission

[tall echo]

it's like regor

[woven coyote]

All we know of little ducks past is she was the business' protege

[hollow siren]

since that Assassination is when he died and has been dead since

[tall echo]

regor mortis

yes I recycle jokes

[hollow siren]

same goes for like Sargas Ruk, Lt. Lech Kril and Darvo's dad, but they're less relevant

[rose bloom]

I mean you can replay assassination missions that doesn’t mean the dude didn’t die

[hollow siren]

ye

tho like Alad-V and Vay Hek do not die in their Assassinations

[rose bloom]

Thats cuz vayhek has no spine

[sweet wadi]

Can’t Grineer just… pop out a fresh clone of their leaders?

[rose bloom]

Same with alad

[rose bloom]

No…? Maybe? Prolly not.

[hollow siren]

Clones moreso just replicate the DNA of the person, not an actual clone of said person

[woven coyote]

At the same time i'd say gameplay is different from the hub that was permanently altered after new war

[rose bloom]

Still mad after new war you can’t replay we all lift together

[sweet wadi]

Someone is still using/making manics, at least

[woven coyote]

If story didnt matter they could've just reverted to blutuna

[rose bloom]

Unless there was just that many made?

[woven coyote]

I think you can

[hollow siren]

you can now

[woven coyote]

It's on a console on a wall with a bunch of levers iirc

[pale cedar]

You literally can

[quick wadi]

Now its we all lower apart

[rose bloom]

For narmer became f*$&@ narmer.

[sweet wadi]

Idk what the shelf life would be for a toob man tbh

[ocean geyser]

You can

[rose bloom]

I expect it would be a long life span as long as they don’t get tooberculosis

[ocean geyser]

Giggling at this, thank you

[sweet wadi]

Tyl was the best Grineer, when he said ‘Do the science’, I really felt that.

[ocean geyser]

He’s the perfect mix between intelligent and a lil weird in the head

Like he talks less coherently when he’s emotional or passionate about something

And then swaps back to eloquent when he’s done

[sweet wadi]

I love that becoming less eloquent as they get emotional is seemingly a common Grineer trait.

[rose bloom]

“BROTHER KAHL YES!”

[sweet wadi]

‘Greedy Milk’

[strange turtle]

Vay Hek is a very passionate man

[sweet wadi]

POP ITS GLISTENING MAGNIFICENCE

[rose bloom]

Apparently being afraid of children is common for grineer too

[sweet wadi]

TBF I would be scared of kids too if I saw what Tenno could do

[strange turtle]

Do you think it’s like seeing a rat for them

If rats were monkeys, ig

[sweet wadi]

Also yeah, they never see kids normally, do they?

[strange turtle]

The real reason they want the Relays gone

Too many child sightings

[iron tiger]

Which warframes killed which executors?

[rose bloom]

They’re too short it’s scary

[pale cedar]

The one you’re using

[iron tiger]

I know voruna got tuvul, Grendel got karishh

[iron tiger]

I don’t use my warframe I always play with necramechs

[pale cedar]

But you didn’t have a Necramech in the Old War so how did you use it?

[rose bloom]

So minor potential spoiler for T.O.P.
||Is adis the reason why we can revive? And if so why do arcanes do it too? Are they made from sentients||?

[iron tiger]

You mean old peace?

[pale cedar]

No and no

[iron tiger]

We use Lora to revive allies

[pale cedar]

Old Peace was in the Old War so same thing

[iron tiger]

Nahhhh

Old war 1 -> old peace -> old war 2

[quick wadi]

Its all old war there just happened to now be a period of non aggression

[iron tiger]

I’m guessing you’re saying that because necramechs weren’t developed until the old war 2

[rose bloom]

Allies yes but not ourselves.

[iron tiger]

I believe we basically resuscitate our warframe using transference and void energy

[silk atlas]

I'm looking through more of the convo besides that one at this moment since the whole MITW stuff Roathe talks about spans multiple convos. Rank2Convo4 and Rank3Convo1 is all about him talking about how he questions Wally's capabilities and that, despite everything he is able to do, he's still just something that was Conceptually Embodied by the Void and that it came from peoples' heads, especially when Roathe lays into Drifter for not considering that it being defeated by something as banal as the "kindness of human emotions."

Most of the final conversation goes with multiple splitting options about this whole thing (Roathe Rank5Convo5 spoilers):

1. ||Drifter believing Wally has always been a god, which Roathe does not think is satisfactory because of the whole CE and human emotions thing.||
2. ||Drifter believing it wasn't before but is now (which leads to similar stuff as 1)||
3. ||Drifter admitting they and no one else "can know", which Roathe takes as Drifter being noncommittal with what they actually believe in and acting like Drifter isn't still trying to do things to stop it despite their lack of conviction. Roathe similarly gets ticked if you mention Eternalism.||
4. ||Drifter believes he's not a god.||

The final convo also goes into how Drifter takes that information from the previous section, about whether or not Wally can be killed, with Roathe ||wanting to kill himself if Drifter goes "I don't know" or "No"||

Frankly, I think the singular quote here shows what Roathe really wants out of these conversations: The fact you're not immediately starting off with "he's a god" before trying to assess what he actually is.

[iron tiger]

I remember old lore would talk about arcane stuff here and there I’m pretty sure it was some void stuff to do with oro

And I’m not talking about Arcanes but rather THE Arcane

[copper mountain]

Necramechs were developed and used prior to the Warframes, which means that they must have been present for the phase of the Old War prior to the Old Peace

[sweet wadi]

Too hard to shoot

Such small targets, have you tried shooting a grakata accurately?

[rose bloom]

“Clem grakata”

[iron tiger]

Oh even better

[rose bloom]

Father tells you this.
“Let’s get you in something a little more old war style.”

[copper mountain]

Well he could have meant the post-Old Peace phase…

But he also mentions that Warframes replaced Necramechs. Old Peace has Warframes, which means that Necramechs must have already come and gone by that point.

[quick wadi]

Do we know how long Old Peace period was

[woven coyote]

Nope

[chrome frost]

Alright so theory time. We know that void constructs (such as the people of duviri) are created from your thoughts and or memories. We also now know that the funny flowers from tau are capable of giving creatures/machines sentience (that part being mostly based on the sentients) SOOOOOO.... What if wally was a void construct that somehow got its hands on one of the flowers thus giving it full awareness of where it is what it is and what it is capable of doing as a creature of void?

The theory is half baked i know

[proper barn]

Yee.

[woven coyote]

The flower didnt give sentients their sentience, it gave the fragments independence from the hive mind and a sense of self

[chrome frost]

oh

[woven coyote]

We also havent seen the flowers effects on anything that wasnt a sentient so no evidence of it working on creatures

[silk atlas]

Let alone Wally, and the flowers were only on Tau anyway so him being all the way over there when there was nothing Void related going on there until the rail (which necessarily came after Wally became a thing), so that wouldn't make sense either

[strange turtle]

Lora?

[silk atlas]

I swear if he means Oro.

The only thing that comes close to explaining the revive mechanic is Lotus's power surge. Outside of that, there's no explanation or mention of it in game (and we can't go with Adis because that doesn't explain how all the other Tenno can revive if we take revives as something that happens in-universe)

[strange turtle]

Roathe also mentions the necramechs as though he personally knew about them, another thing that confirms them being pre OW 2

[iron tiger]

The green gas stuff we spray

[silk atlas]

Where in the same hell was Lora explained.

[strange turtle]

The Lora Device is what the Lorists used

[iron tiger]

Stalker uses it on Jade

[strange turtle]

He used medical grade bioplasma

[iron tiger]

I’m pretty sure that’s the same thing

[strange turtle]

No

Lorists were an entire caste with a full body implant device

Also specifically twins for whatever reason if I remember right

[iron tiger]

Hmmmmm, then what’s the green gas we use?

[silk atlas]

.

I mean the green gas being the bioplasma or whatever sounds fair for something we have literally no other info on

But that's still just a ever-so-slightly informed assumption

[strange turtle]

We have no reason to assume it isn’t bioplasma and that there’s actually some other gaseous healing substance sprayed via a warframe’s arm to heal another incapacitated frame

[tall echo]

that's. unnecessarily complicated

[strange turtle]

Like. They tell us to get medical bioplasma, we get the bioplasma, and then we go to a warframe, and use it to do the exact same thing we do when we revive other warframes, with the exact same input and animation

[silk atlas]

Yeah, and I doubt we're gonna get a more detailed explanation than that.

[quick wadi]

Seems like the best answer to me

That kind of thing doesn't need a complex answer anyway

[ocean geyser]

I don’t even remember it being green gas
It was more like an injection iirc

[carmine olive]

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[wide halo]

What are the chances of us getting to see Nitokh specifically as a protoframe?

(hypothetically)

[silk atlas]

Why a Protoframe?

[wide halo]

she kinda dipped

did we kill her in the night of the naga drums, or did she spirit away with entrati a-la roathe?

also, roathe's transcripts are lovely for adding context to the orokin empire

[strange turtle]

We don’t know

[dark compass]

Because it's easy

And it makes a lot of money

[hollow siren]

Garuda lore trust

plus it'd be the second Orokin Protoframe

she could match with her freak of a boyfriend

[dark compass]

If they make garuda proto then the entire economy will crash after people realize en masse what a horrid monstrosity garuda is in gameplay

It will be over

I will be crying in the corner (more than usual)

[strange turtle]

The way Roathe speaks he seems to believe she died along with the rest rather than surviving, but we don’t have any content about her outside of him like Karishh, Tuvul and Aventus

[wide halo]

this

and people want a 'i can fix her' story

[hollow siren]

Garuda also has crazy..... "designs"....

[wide halo]

wait, i just wanted to check, Jade was an orokin noble, correct?

meaning she had the blue skin and all?

or was she part of a different cast?

[hollow siren]

we don't know, but she was not Orokin

some theorize she was an Archimedean, but there's no hints in-game to her exact caste

[wide halo]

orokin were also archimedeans, correct?
Blue skin and all?

[hollow siren]

no

Archimedeans were among the highest non-Orokin caste

but below Orokin obviously

[pale cedar]

No Orokin has ever been called an Archimedean

[strange turtle]

No

[wide halo]

that makes more sense

in the sense of Roathe's whole caste system

Archimedians<Nobles<Executors<Emperors

[hollow siren]

Executors were high even amongst Orokin

[strange turtle]

Kaelli could become one though

Albrecht also had his own one of the head things they had

[pale cedar]

I personally think the technicality was that she was Orokin

[strange turtle]

Thats not a technicality

[wide halo]

the only people executors answered to were the emperors themselves

which gave me a revelation i'm surprised i didnt think about before

The empire had emperors, but they're barely spoken about

(i'm a dunce, i know)

[strange turtle]

They’re barely spoken about because they got retconned. They were also seemingly like, effectively mostly figureheads from what little we know, rarely acting for themselves. Presumably as a way to explain their absence from the lore

[wide halo]

retconned?

they retconned Roathe's transcripts so soon?

[pale cedar]

Why would they be spoken about when they sent Executors which we have more material on to do things for them

[strange turtle]

Retconned as in, retconned into existence

[wide halo]

ooooooh

[strange turtle]

Also out of, they appeared in Stalker’s codex entry way back when and then never again

[pale cedar]

No, they were readded back into discussion with Roathe

[strange turtle]

Replaced by the Executors until now

[wide halo]

except i saw mention of them in one of stalker's codex entries

[stiff beacon]

i dont think they retconned them more sidelined them

[wide halo]

though i see people say 'see, emperors' i always assumed it was just a buttering-up term used for the orokin as a whole

[pale cedar]

Which they were promptly never talked about again for 10 years

[strange turtle]

No it’s definitely a retcon. They didn’t get sidelined they just never came up ever after a single codex in any way, shape or form until this quest

[pale cedar]

Roathe bringing them back up added them back into discussion

[strange turtle]

And before they did the Executors were treated as the highest authority, with no indication that they served anyone or that higher standing was possible

[wide halo]

ahhh, the dark souls lore effect

[ocean geyser]

Sometimes I wonder if they just forget about these things
Or that whatever lore office™ they have is just full of sticky notes they have to sift through

[wide halo]

not quite as sing song, but warframe's almost there

the amount of times i've had to re-explain to clanmates that entrati did not create warframes, he merely 'borrowed' helminth from Ballas and took it back in time

[pale cedar]

Emperors were only the highest rank on paper tbh

[fast dew]

Literally oh my god

[pale cedar]

They’re figureheads

[ocean geyser]

I think I’ve even seen discussions about that here

[pale cedar]

I have had to explain it multiple times in 2 servers

[wide halo]

the way roathe describes the emperors is

the executors ran things, so nobody would really know about the emperors, who kinda just

sealed themselves away

'dusty thrones' and all

[pale cedar]

Players really sucked at getting those notes

[fast dew]

I have seen so many constant misconceptions about Albrecht and its so tiresome

[ocean geyser]

Someone here denied that Stalker kept serving the Orokin because Ballas kept dangling the idea of family over his head
Even though Jade’s grave confirms that

So, yes, people ARE bad at getting the notes

[fast dew]

No he didnt spread the original techrot in 1999, no he and grandmother were not together, no he's not egotistical he sees himself as a wet rag, yes he's an orokon, yes he kept his blue skin after the void incident, he did not lie to the new protoframes about what the serum would do.

[ocean geyser]

Their rebuttal was that he was just a lapdog or something
Yeah dude it’s almost like i explained why he was a lapdog

[crystal vigil]

is koumei like a durviri orokin? because she has the same joints as the orokins from durviri not to mention her clear connection to durviri with the decrees, plus shes a puppet/puppet master and thrax was a little(VERY) controlling, although i dont know how she got to earth, i dont really know much about her lore ive never even seen any, just curious about my main frame, ive got more reasons to believe shes an orokin like her connections to the word fate and having our drifter change the fate of our operators world and obviously the drifters in durviri but thats not exactly a strong argument

[strange turtle]

They aren’t Orokin in Duviri

[wide halo]

i had an arguement with someone the other night

on the discussion of the zariman

i stated that the zariman was either sent out before the sentients, or after the sentients but before they completed the solar rail

the sentient war had NOT kicked off yet

then one clanmate said 'military equipment'

i asked 'what equipment?'

another one retorts 'THE EQUIPMENT'

[pale cedar]

Koumei has nothing to do with Duviri

[crystal vigil]

oh i thought they were, what are they?

[crystal vigil]

her second moves are durviri decrees

[strange turtle]

Icl I don’t think we ever get a name

[ocean geyser]

They’re more
Based off the orokin, but they’re not actually orokin

[crystal vigil]

yeah but theyre kinda the closest we get, after all it is just a book

written by an orokin

[wide halo]

conceptual embodiment

a copy of the concept

[pale cedar]

She’s still not related to Duviri people which is what I mean

[ocean geyser]

The equipment
Did they even explain that

[pale cedar]

She’s literally a Cetus frame

[wide halo]

do not

[ocean geyser]

:3

[strange turtle]

They’re based on the Orokin aesthetic and certain groups, but they are very much not based on the actual caste

[crystal vigil]

do we ever learn what she is? ive never heard any lore about her and the only conclusion ive come up with is the orokin things on durviri because of the joints being the same

[crystal vigil]

thats where she ended up being a goddess, but that doesent mean she couldent have been somewhere before, like voruna being at both lua and the zariman

[wide halo]

there's only so much a child understands

[stiff beacon]

well i mean its kinda obvious shes based of a doll or marionette

[strange turtle]

There are farmers and all kinds of other labourers

Or were ig, most types are probably gone with the rest of the islands

[ocean geyser]

If they mean the Zariman incarnons, then that makes no damn sense since they were originally ceremonial

If they mean the automated defence turrets… then i’d understand why they’d think “military equipment”

[fast dew]

Hit them with "Source"

[ocean geyser]

But again those things only existed to defend those funny things and the big finger

[strange turtle]

“The game”

[crystal vigil]

yeah but with the decrees its not absured to connect her with the residents of the only other place we see decrees, especially with the visual similarities

[wide halo]

the automated turrets are made of/with argozene

which i assume is made with the help of argon

[strange turtle]

God remember that guy who was just like “the codex” or “albrechts fragments” or something

[wide halo]

they hit me with 'i'm done' and logged off

[pale cedar]

Literally wasn’t even a military ship that was a lie the Orokin said

[ocean geyser]

That’s crazy

[wide halo]

exactly

[fast dew]

BAHAH

[fast dew]

Yes holy shit

[crystal vigil]

does koumei actually have any lore?

[strange turtle]

Any what?

[crystal vigil]

lore

[pale cedar]

The ship only had ceremonial weapons and farming equipment

[crystal vigil]

whoops

[ashen pulsar]

still pretty funny how strong the ceremonial weapons were

[strange turtle]

Not beyond what you get immediately told, no

[wide halo]

yep

the closest thing to a weapon was felarx, which was for hunting

[fast dew]

Where does he say this
"Albrecht's logs"

... what one. What one you fool. WHAT ONE. DO YOU MEAN HIS NOTES OR DO YOU MEAN THE REQUIEM LOGS

[crystal vigil]

🥲

[strange turtle]

They actually weren’t, the Void just made them better

[fast dew]

[wide halo]

had a guy try to argue with me on that

i was quoting his logs and he was going off the requiems

[strange turtle]

In the ARG Calavero complains about how they only had the firework guns to deal with protestors, and them not actually being that effective

[ashen pulsar]

isn’t felarx better incarnoff

[ocean geyser]

Randomly thinking about that guy who thought (still thinks actually) that the Lotus made a deal with Wally to put Lua in the Void

As if the second half of the Second Dream isn’t about turning off the machines that keep the damn moon in the Void

[ashen pulsar]

so i’ve heard, I don’t have any of these

i’m mr 13

[wide halo]

literal machines, yep

[fast dew]

God. Its literally sooo annoying

I uh. Got dragged into having the torid incarnon.

[strange turtle]

Yeah the incarnon does, the actual weapons by themselves weren’t great

[ocean geyser]

Enjoy beam

[wide halo]

I used it for like

a week

then switched back to phenmor

[fast dew]

I don't see the hype tbh

[ocean geyser]

It’s less hype and more mindless metaslop because of the damage output

[dark compass]

turn your brain and murder crowds

thats it, nothing else

[iron tiger]

What are the most hyped weapons as of now?

[dark compass]

its not particularly good at anything other than crowd clearing because its a wonky shitty beam weapon

[wide halo]

i've collected the nickname 'lore sensei' because i'm the only one in my clan that actually tries to learn the lore

the others make (wrong) statements

[iron tiger]

We have the incarnons, primes and nemesis weapons. Those are like three generations of end game weaponry

[dark compass]

and oh ofc

moug tried to hype up tenet glaxion and dark sword to manipulate riven prices

[dark compass]

yeah

thats kinda it

[iron tiger]

Yooo imagine we get Tenno nemesis weapons

[dark compass]

i kinda hope for sentient nemesis weapons, we have enough non amalgam weapons for that

[wide halo]

too many primes methinks

[dark compass]

and were heading to tau

[fast dew]

Idk. The one mate I had that was super into metaslop turned out to be giga racist

So I aint finding out now

[ashen pulsar]

chain beams are neat

wish we had an incarnation that was closer to the tenet glaxion, a status-crit debilitate gun

[iron tiger]

Yooo, remember this? These are sentient arm canons. And what appears to be a sentient nemesis

[dark compass]

shedu here

[iron tiger]

Yup that’s the only one

[ashen pulsar]

I WOULD LOVE A LINE OF ADVERSARY ARM CANNONS

AAAAHHH THAT SOUNDS SO COOL

[iron tiger]

Idk if this is true but I remember hearing something about them being like kitguns

Sentient nemesis kitgun armcannons

[ashen pulsar]

I assume this was just concept art for shedu tho

[dark compass]

yeah pretty sure

ocucor, battacor

shedu, basmu

just add some legally distinct variants

and we are set

base some of them on prism firing types

[iron tiger]

How dare you leave out my homie the kreska

[dark compass]

kreska is fake

[dawn shoal]

in the game, yeah, but i don't think that was necessarily intended, especially to be read as part of the lore lol.

[dark compass]

it doesnt have any sentient tech

im talking about batta and ocucor because they are straight up sentient limbs with handles attached

[dawn shoal]

i want those second and third concept sketches in the bottom right to use, the Shedu has excellent art already but i would not have complained about either of those making it, at least XD

[iron tiger]

Now that I think about battacor and occucor dont count as amalgam. They’re not made from the Jovian concord and were made without sentient consent

[dark compass]

yes

theyre just arms and legs with handles

concept art straight up mentions how there are hacking mechanisms implanted

[dawn shoal]

putting it that way makes them sound like one of these, lol:

[dark compass]

yes thats what battacor is

[dawn shoal]

but like running around and beating enemies up with one

[dark compass]

but the finger shoots lasers

[dawn shoal]

exactly!

laser fingergun, on a stick

[iron tiger]

I wonder if sentient toes have any functionality

[dark compass]

to not make an evil even stronger version of ocucor they can call it some other way and just leave the fixed latching beams instead of the main beam mechanic, erasing the ammo gimmick

[ocean geyser]

I mean they usually float
Odd question though

[iron tiger]

The sentients in this photo looks hella unique he got some mass and what appears to be a grappling hook for an arm

[dawn shoal]

i can see a set of claws, with like climbing-spike esque ends, as a sentient Venka-like weapon tbh

[dark compass]

theyre all building/terraforming units

you can assume theyre all industrial implements repurposed and redeveloped as weapons

[iron tiger]

Ngl I want his right arm as a melee whip

[wide halo]

it's funny to me how people will look at Marie and assume 'religious fanatic'

[iron tiger]

Like a really fat chonky whip with a mouth

[fast dew]

I actually assumed she'd just be a boring stereotypical hypersexual nun. I am pleasantly surprised.

[wide halo]

same

[fast dew]

She also isn't the umpteenth Albrecht hater. And she doesn't call you a fool for not liking him, as long as you're consistent with it

[wide halo]

fr

noticed that too

[iron tiger]

Does the faith of sol and lua have a bible

[wide halo]

noticed that

Roathe hates Albrecht

Lyon sees him as a manipulator

Marie adores him

[pale cedar]

Probably used to before Orokin decided conventional books were offensive

[wary vault]

I'm almost convinced that we'll gonna get Sentient Nemesis when we'll reach Tau. Could probably get them by doing Perita Rebellion and then you face them in current time in Tau after years of them waiting for you there. Similar to CODA principal.

OR

It's gonna be Sentient Nemesis sent by Narmer/Pazuul. Either works.

[strange plinth]

not sure where we'd pick one up during the rebellion, given that the sentients are explicitly allies during it

[wary vault]

Overwritten one either during mission*, or like Hunhullus or the second one

[iron tiger]

We could get actual sentients as a nemesises or archon nemesises

[pale cedar]

Issue id see with ever getting a Sentient adversary is what weapons would they even give us for taking them down if there’s barely any Sentient weapons in the game and some are already Prime

[iron tiger]

Archon nemesis’ would probably be hybrid weaponry though

[dark compass]

It could be a sentient designed specifically to hunt us. That would also explain the progenitor element

[iron tiger]

Or ooooo maybe archons could have nemesis primes

[dark compass]

Prime? Huh?

[wary vault]

Probably half would be original like CODA, others would be better versions of existing ones. Plus probably some unused canon weapons.

[dark compass]

Oh Vadarya and Venato

[dark compass]

Unmounted ocucor/battacor, legally distinct shedu, some designed after scaffolds/prisms or enemy sentient fire

Seems good to me

[strange turtle]

The Sheba

[strange plinth]

outside of those there's like 4? actual sentient weapons
not including amalgam/eidolon/archon

[dark compass]

Ocucor, Battacor, basmu and shedu, yeah

The rest is mixing stuff

[iron tiger]

They’ve made new adversary weapons before no?

Like from scratch

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[wary vault]

Could give Sentient Nemesis bit of a unique spin - better Amp parts. For the sake of it call it "Tau" for naming like Kuva, Tenet, Coda. We could get some Tau Amps, Tau Arm Cannons, and of course, Tau Weapons (Regular).

[strange plinth]

hm. i'm not opposed to that idea

[dark compass]

Oh true, combo parts with limited weapon types

Like hounds from sisters

[wary vault]

Plus it goes with theme of Operator/Drifter getting buffed with Taurons, Arcanes and Modding

[pale cedar]

DE even made a Prime sniper that didn’t have a base version

[wary vault]

time to add new amps

[strange turtle]

what if the parts are just better because you’re not getting the sentient bits from a mouldy undead corpse

[dark compass]

Adversary amps

[wary vault]

Tauforged Amps