lore-discussion

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/andor-kino-loy-there-is-one-way-out-andy-serkis-one-way-out-gif-27095101

[heady quest]

yeah i absolutely love when they make their own spin on things

[austere summit]

Looking up how Praghasa got to Sol twice and scrolling through the results, since I really don't feel like going back through the New War again when I'm overdue for sleep

[hollow siren]

Like Lotus and Operator sitting there trying to think of a way to find if another like Adis exists, when suddenly Hunhow just sends an inbox message like "Hey uh we have a slight problem. Pazuul repaired the rail."

[glacial pendant]

Maybe that was it

[heady quest]

i am sad there are no codex fragments to scan in the new tile set

[hollow siren]

same, and as usual a lot of the scannables just lack codex entries

[main crane]

I don't think Ordis existed during that time

[austere summit]

You don't even get codex entries from the primes you fight during the 12 minute timer on Perita. You have to hope they don't get nuked during the recall: vanguard end bosses before you can scan them

[pale cedar]

I’ve scanned everything there now but I definitely feel some stuff takes ages to scan for no reason on Tau

[heady quest]

trueee i was wondering about that like so much can be scanned but isn't availabel in the codex??? i thought it was a bug or something

[hollow siren]

it's always been a thing

[heady quest]

i just do it solo and scan them then

also for some reason ember and ash require three scans???

like what?

[hollow siren]

plus some scannables do have entries that just don't unlock even after you've scanned them enough

[glacial pendant]

There are some theories about Natah and Erra not being around yet during this time. Honestly I doubt this

[lean garden]

Erra might be around

Natah definitely is not

[hollow siren]

Natah was likely not around then, but Erra most definitely was

[austere summit]

Erra might be, but Natah wasn't made yet

[hollow siren]

It's a fun thing that Lotus is younger than Ordis, Teshin, Loid and the Operator

[austere summit]

Erra was definitely on Tau long enough to put the essence of the guardians like Amar in crystal before going to Sol

[glacial pendant]

Are you sure that Natah wasn't around yet? Maybe she was just looked very different because she hasn't taken up the identity of the Lotus yet

[hollow siren]

I'm hoping Tau 2026 gives more details on how Erra actually made the Archons yeah

[lean garden]

extremely

[glacial pendant]

Why

[hollow siren]

Natah and her mimics were made to infiltrate the Reservoir, and Hunhow only learnt of that from Ballas later on in the war

[austere summit]

It's a whole deal between Ballas and Hunhow to make Natah to turn the tenno on the orokin over Margulis's death later in the war then dispose of them

[glacial pendant]

Was she created with that purpose or was she assigned that purpose

[lean garden]

created for that purpose

[austere summit]

She was made from scratch for that purpose, but sentience and influence from taking on Margulis's memories caused a change in plans

[white cargo]

ball ass try not to throw challenge (impossible)

[austere summit]

Ironically enough the one time he had a valid reason to crash out, he still threw
Ballas just watched his wife get executed at this point

[white cargo]

ballas watching his fellow executors get integer overflowed:

[pale cedar]

Ballas also could’ve prevented that murder by just voting no

Judgment required 7 for 0 against

[tall echo]

Ballas chose to kill her because she refused to submit to him

Ballas is the role model of all alpha males in the empire

[pale cedar]

“You wanted a Margulis you could control”

[austere summit]

And that was still enough for him to go to Hunhow and get a "replacement goldfish" to burn down his own civilization with.
While he didn't want to share Margulis, losing her entirely broke him completely inside.

[glacial pendant]

In another server someone pointed out that the Executors represented the 7 sins and picked Ballas for envy

[pale cedar]

Ballas says Lust is his sin

[glacial pendant]

Ballas according to Ballas

[pale cedar]

I mean

He did have his entire class murdered because of one woman

He also put said womans memories in another

[glacial pendant]

To him the problem was that he allowed himself to love while in reality the problem was that he couldn't stand that his "love" could love ten children more than him

When he was emperor of Narmer, what annoyed him the most? That everybody was willing to bow before him except us

And that caused him to burn down his entire empire

[tall echo]

I'd say nitohk is lust more than ballas

[tall echo]

there's way more than ten tenno

try thousands

[pale cedar]

I doubt we can even give all 7 a sin as we don’t have lore on all 7

[tall echo]

yea

[patent cargo]

karissh or whatever his name was is gluttony for sure

the one from grendel's leverian

[pale cedar]

That’s one we can definitely pinpoint

All we know of Avantus is they got killed for being Orokin

[willow pond]

Roathe did talk about this in my recent conversation. He mentioned that at one point, he truly DID love Margulis. Problem is, Margulis' love was mostly on the space kids, and he couldn't accept that.

[pale cedar]

Ballas’ lust led him to want a Margulis he could control

[willow pond]

So he basically tried to keep her attention away from the Tenno so that she could pay attention to him.

And well... That plan backfired. Horribly, I might add, because she would solely focus on the Tenno at that point lmao

[pale cedar]

Ballas killed his entire class and put her memories in another because he chose to let her die

There was someone who tried arguing he wouldn’t have been able to save her but the 7 for rule automatically disproved that

They even tried suggesting he’d been blackmailed with little evidence suggesting such

[brittle escarp]

so why did ballas give us paracesis?

[silk atlas]

Did you do New War?

[brittle escarp]

yep

[silk atlas]

That's why

[brittle escarp]

how helpful

[silk atlas]

He stabbed you with it and tricked you into making it for him

[brittle escarp]

OHHHHH
yea that makes a bit more sense

[silk atlas]

Figured the scene where he stabs a child point blank would be more memorable lmao

[brittle escarp]

new war was just alot so inevitably i forgot some bits

[brittle escarp]

I mean yea but i just saw it as him stabbing with what we had on hand

ig im just dum

I really like how alot of the events are just
"goddamnit ballas"

[tall echo]

99% of the game can be summarized with "ballas' fault"

[brittle escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W32Hutreh-g that particular scene just irradiates this ngl

[brazen seal]

1% is albrecht's fault

[brittle escarp]

Atleast albrecht is trying to fix it

in a really screwed up way but hes atleast tryin

[brittle escarp]

also do you think the operator just hates themselves after old peace

realizing that they saved ballas

[tall echo]

And somehow 50% of that 1% is still ballas' fault

[brittle escarp]

Operator tries to sleep and their brain just keeps bringing up the fact they saved mfing ballas and that if they just failed none of this wouldve happened

[tall echo]

Eeh, would've been worse if he died considering the pod would force-continuity him into the operator

[brittle escarp]

oh.

i didnt know that was a thing

[tall echo]

It says so in the quest

[brittle escarp]

ig i just missed that bit

[tall echo]

"I am authorized to perform emergency continuity and you're the only suitable yuvan in range" or smth

[brittle escarp]

too busy malding over the fact that we were escorting mothafreakin ballsack

[fast dew]

Flattering, I suppose. Least he'd be stuck with my failing body, even if its just for a day

[brittle escarp]

still think operator looses sleep over that

[fast dew]

Oh we absolutely do

[pure robin]

Funny stuff time...what frame do we think operator used during the slaughter of the orokin

[tall echo]

Whichever frame you pick at the start

[brittle escarp]

probably their excal prime ngl

[pure robin]

I hope they let us use wtw frame we want for that

[brazen seal]

uriel ofc

press 4 operator

[tall echo]

Urinal was left on tau

[fast dew]

[brazen seal]

[brittle escarp]

you mean Urizen?

[tall echo]

Also a good one

[fast dew]

You mean urine?

-# I'll leave.

[tall echo]

Before release I called him EMPEROR URIEL SEPTIM VII

[brazen seal]

urinel

[tall echo]

Mandatory all caps

[fast dew]

Septim....

Septum.... Loid's quantum septum piercing...

[tall echo]

No

Stop

[brazen seal]

can't wait to get back to trauma bath

[fast dew]

The loid brain worms

[brazen seal]

what else will we remember

[fast dew]

I just wanna know why Albrecht even has the trauma pool

[tall echo]

Murder

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447039990847504535/1448726608981659689/IMG_0074.gif

[tall echo]

We remember a lot of murder

[dark compass]

ayatan star fillings

can also come in cocktail form

[brittle escarp]

Do yall think Qorvex prime would be like revenant or like lavos in how he was made

[fast dew]

Yeah wait why would he need to relive shit if he has ayatans

[dark compass]

would you rather listen to a recording or have a live performance

[fast dew]

Nah, there's nothing stopping Qorvex prime from existing tbh

[fast dew]

Depends on what its used for

[tall echo]

Neither?

[brittle escarp]

i feel like he'd be like lavos with it being like
Ballas taunting alberecht for making an ugly freame thats all symmetrical and stuff and defeating the hole point of the concrete by gilding him

[fast dew]

Trauma? Hhh maybe a recording is better.

[dark compass]

qorvex can just be primed originally

[strong viper]

Can someone explain to me what the Eidolon is? It was my understanding when I played, the original eidolon was massive and its parts are seen all throughout the plains (the ribs, the massive structure in the distance) and when it was destroyed, this led to the creation or birth of the sentients. And when Lotus was dying, she reverted to a piece of the eidolon instead of Natah. How much of that is way off?

[dark compass]

he would probably look more necramech-y

[pale cedar]

Usually we were the one who did it too

[dark compass]

covered in obols

[brittle escarp]

I mean Lavos in the sense that qorvex came first THEN prime qorvex

[tall echo]

Pretty much everything after it being massive

[fast dew]

Ehhh. Vilcor is responsible for necramechs, wouldn't make them so similarly

[dark compass]

i mean in general design tropes

more entrati flavor

[strong viper]

Cool... So what is it? Because Lotus does have a skin saying she is an eidolon during New War.

[fast dew]

I think, if they did do it, it would be like the vessels

[tall echo]

Eidolons are undead sentients

[fast dew]

Dead... undead? Sentient.

[brittle escarp]

ngl im not entirely keen/sure on that bc Qorvex's design feels like it was made for the purpose and nothing else

[tall echo]

The plains sentient became three eidolons

[dark compass]

undead sentient bits whose original source has been cut off

like theyre braindead

[tall echo]

Nah

[dark compass]

sorta?

[tall echo]

Just undead sentients

[dark compass]

oh right, natah

[strong viper]

Ohhhh, makes more sense. I was wondering if maybe that could apply to the Archons, now that we've seen Amar in his prime.

[fast dew]

There's a chance Albrecht just. Asked Ballas to prime him. Kinda like how i think Xaku prime is like. Entrati family just asked.

[tall echo]

Archons are something different again, but eidolon-adjacent in nature

[brittle escarp]

ok who in their right mind would ask ballas for anything

[strong viper]

That's why I think maybe they could be eidolon, since they lost their sense of speech and intelligence (probably.) Best I can figure is an eidolon warframe amalgam, which is fitting considering right before this was the Ropalyst and amalgam corpus update.

[fast dew]

... the other super influential orokin family

Thats who. Albrecht absolutely and 100% had contact with ballas.

[strong viper]

Albrecht isn't really a sane dude tbf

[fast dew]

He is actually, thats the funny thing

[tall echo]

Nah, they still communicate and plot

[pale cedar]

Sanity isn’t real in Warframe

[fast dew]

The rest of the orokin society thought Albrecht as insane (after the void incident), so ballas was just chill with a probable insane man

[tall echo]

Archons are made by erra by taking bits of dead sentients and sticking them on dead frames using archon shards as a bolt

[brittle escarp]

ic

[strong viper]

Wait, so if even the first eidolon was an undead sentient, how big was the sentient that made that thing

[tall echo]

Very

[fast dew]

Cept. Uh. Albrecht wasn't. He was genuinely just getting gaslit by wally.

[brittle escarp]

so basically hes making them with duct tape and glue?

[pale cedar]

Probably around Hunhow size

[tall echo]

Pretty much

I remember seeing a picture comparing the 3 biggest sentients but I don't rember where

[brittle escarp]

i gauge ranging from praghasa to hunhow tbh'

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[tall echo]

But iirc the plains sentient was bigger than hunhow

[pale cedar]

Whenever I think of it I always suddenly picture Hunhow dunno why

[brittle escarp]

probably bc not counting lotus hunhows the sentient we interact the most with

like the logic is when you think sentient you'd think hunhow bc you know him the most

[tall echo]

It's wild that the hunhullus is on the smaller end for big sentients

[pale cedar]

There’s a Sentient bigger than it?

[brittle escarp]

yeah

[tall echo]

Praghasa?

[brittle escarp]

praghasa

[tall echo]

All the murex...es?

Murexi? Murex?

[brittle escarp]

Honestly i really like how we just became
chill with hunhow and it doesnt feel forced
Like it makes sense

space gramps

[pale cedar]

I feel Praghasa and Murexes depends how you measure

[tall echo]

Size

[pale cedar]

Standing up isn’t it taller

[tall echo]

He understands that natah chose us after tnw

[tall echo]

Nah

[brittle escarp]

yea that + the fact just
Bros depressed

[tall echo]

The murex model in rj is much larger than the hunhullus

[iron tiger]

Do you guys think the hunhullus is wearing a mask similar to adis?

[tall echo]

Who

[pale cedar]

No

[iron tiger]

Bruh autocorrect that was such a stretch

[tall echo]

How does hunhullus become bungle

[pale cedar]

Adis just had a mask

[tall echo]

Wulbren hunhullus

[iron tiger]

It’s said that sentients try to copy humans and try to become them it’s highly likely

[pale cedar]

Just tried to type it and autocorrect tried changing it to hungles

[iron tiger]

And hunhullus doesn’t appear like a true sentient but rather an extension

[tall echo]

Hunhullus are war mechs

[iron tiger]

And that hunhullus specifically is adis’ too

[pale cedar]

It isn’t Adis

[iron tiger]

I think it’s wearing a mask ngl

[iron tiger]

I didn’t say it was

Adis’ is possessive if my English is correct

[tall echo]

Yes

But hunhulli are just general use, not belonging to any specific sentients

[pale cedar]

Yeah that’s what I was meaning

It isn’t for Adis

Adis just used one

That’s why there’s a whole fight with one

[iron tiger]

Didn’t they say they were gonna look for different spots yo fight though? I feel like that mean he uses the same one

[iron tiger]

This was post treaty it very could’ve been abandoned then commandeered

[lilac aspen]

Hunhulli are basically the sentients’ “warframes”

[pale cedar]

Sentient Vessels

[harsh sparrow]

Got the interaction with Arthur where he asked if he and the other Protos would become like Drifter/Operator's Warframes, so I've been thinking
How do you guys think Arthur and Umbra would feel about each other if they met? Or just Umbra and the Protos

[pale cedar]

This is what you become starts playing

Entrati what devils follow you?

[iron tiger]

Umbra’s psyche is a bit weird, a single memory allowing him sentience but given all the events it’s clear he remembers all the emotions he felt and can develop new ones. Despite the actual memories being gone.

It might be a little traumatic

[lilac aspen]

Umbra would just stand there clearly and not react

Like HOW HE LET BALLAS THROW ME INTO THE VOI-

[harsh sparrow]

Fair nuff

The fact that DE does nothing with the one of a kind Warframe with SENTIENCE makes me mad

[lilac aspen]

I can understand the older quests
Because umbra didn’t exist at that time
But the newer quests

Like can you imagine seeing Umbra about to throw hands with Stalker when he sneaks up on us in Jade’s quest?

[iron tiger]

It’s because he has to obey his master as a former Dax

[harsh sparrow]

EXACTLY
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SEE

[iron tiger]

Bro that needed to happen before he had a kid, but a team up would be more likely now

[pale cedar]

Former Dax?
He never quit

[harsh sparrow]

The fact that Ordis calls Umbra's name when we sneak onto the Orbiter is something I like since it implies he does his own stuff whenever not with the Operator

But it still felt criminal that he just doesn't actually do anything

[iron tiger]

Actually because both storylines are focused on fatherhood and loss. Umbra and stalker might actually have a lot in common and get along nicely

[harsh sparrow]

That is true, I never thought of that.....

One of those situations where they'd be good friends if they weren't on the wrong sides of a war

[iron tiger]

I want him to have his own room

[lilac aspen]

Ordis really dropping the fact Umbra can still move, or at least show sentience enough still that Ordis can make a guess that it was Umbra moving around

Since he did also say helminth I think too?

[harsh sparrow]

"I lost my wife..."
"I lost everything and killed my own son before being turned into Ballas' puppet."

[iron tiger]

Maybe like a weird syndicate for Dax and living warframes

[harsh sparrow]

Yeah, third after Operator and Umbra
Found it funny

Imagine the Helminth mouth just splatting around like a Terraria slime

[harsh sparrow]

That'd be cool
I always felt bad after I couldn't save the OG Mirage during the quest

[lilac aspen]

Tbf Stalker also lost everything

[iron tiger]

Oh my god that reminds me living warframes have been teased almost since 10 years ago

[harsh sparrow]

He still has a son so I wouldn't call that everything everything but yeah, fair enough

[lilac aspen]

The only difference is Stalker found out too late his wife was Jade.
But at least he has his child now
Which also almost died if not for the Tenno helping

[pale cedar]

Living Warframes?
All Warframes are alive

[iron tiger]

There’s literally the infested mesa and I think chroma at some point, plus all the rail warframe which I guess are specters but we don’t really know what specters are do we?

[harsh sparrow]

Aren't Specters just Warframes controlled by the Void instead of an Operator

[strange plinth]

lost his wife, his status, his empire
regained his wife, lost her again, gained a kid

[lilac aspen]

Parvos technology
He made these “Specter particles” or whatever

[pale cedar]

He stole it

[harsh sparrow]

Stalker has a kid yeah
What's Umbra got aside from memories?

[iron tiger]

It does appear that way, I think specters may be an orokin void experiment

[strange plinth]

acceptance

[flint viper]

Quick question are the tenno, more specifically the operators technically orokin themselves?

[iron tiger]

They can’t be AI’s or robots we know orokin we’re against that

[lilac aspen]

I am calling it the Specter Particle. As my Archimedians explain, mimicry is in its nature. An echo. Exposed to precept circuits, we are able to imprint behaviors! Like an infant mirroring her surrogate. Only this infant can set the world on fire

[strange plinth]

no, not of orokin caste
though they were citizens of the empire

[pale cedar]

Orokin Empire servants
Not Orokin class

[woven coyote]

Citizens of the orokin empire, no more than that

[lilac aspen]

Pretty sure Parvos invented it
Or at least aided immensely in its creation

[flint viper]

Thank you

[pale cedar]

He stole it from the labs

[lilac aspen]

Like if he stole Orokin tech I don’t think the Orokin would go
“Wow here, Ballas will grant you anything you want, even a warframe!”

[iron tiger]

The empire was so massive and powerful yet they didn’t seem to care enough to properly rule and develop everything. Like Martian society

[pale cedar]

Would if you you’re blowing up Ballas’ toys

Which Parvos did

Easy way to make someone stop

Plus Ballas didn’t even give Parvos Protea Prime he gave him the base as Prime Vanguard reservation rules

[willow pond]

I love how Roathe does comment on the amount of times you go in Descendia to help him.

[pale cedar]

He sees anything past like 21 as too much

[willow pond]

To be fair sometimes you go too far the deep end and it can scar a person.

Especially since we're using the Dark Refractory.

[pale cedar]

Looks like he found the real demon of the story

[pine orchid]

but what if there's a hidden Honoria for doing Descendia 69 times?

[willow pond]

I'm sorry.

[strange plinth]

it would be 66 if anything

[pale cedar]

666

[strange plinth]

no reasonable person would run descendia 666 times /s

[willow pond]

Also to add onto this. I don't even think he hates the fact that we're doing this multiple times. He seems to relish in the pain.

[pale cedar]

Yeah but he begs you to stop

[willow pond]

I'm... Not gonna comment on what he enjoys but erm... Pop off, king.

[frank condor]

guys are the cavia okay

Tagfer "reverted" during the quest

[strange plinth]

the triad mention talking with them, so they un-reverted after we drove the murmur off

[dark compass]

They only revert when the indifference is closing in

[frank condor]

thank you

[restive river]

They reverted cause they couldn’t get the VAs for the quest

[pale cedar]

Demoted to name drop

[restive river]

Idk for bird 3 and tagfer but fib’s VA was probably busy to some degree
I’d assume the same for the other two

Or they just didn’t want to have too many characters in one quest, especially since they wouldn’t have been a focus

But also side characters have just come up in quests before so eh, I’m sure there’s a reasonable internal reason

[pale cedar]

It always seems like Ballas’ VA is never busy with anything that isn’t Warframe

[restive river]

I’d have to assume he really enjoys playing him lol

He seems like the kinda guy that’s really nice in real life but can play the most horrid people in media

[pale cedar]

Ballas’ favourite character being Ballas is the most Ballas thing ever

[restive river]

Truuue

If he ever does interviews someone should ask if he likes playing Ballas

Not just if he likes Ballas but playing him

[pale cedar]

He actually kissed Rebb at a Tennocon

I think he played Ballas irl too

[restive river]

Woah what

[restive river]

Ok so he probably likes to play Ballas lol

What is with Rebb and the Orokin
First she literally kisses Ballas and now that bit on the devshort 😭

[pale cedar]

It was at TNW Tennocon iirc

[restive river]

I do not remember that omg

[hollow trench]

That’s crazy

[restive river]

Wait if that was at TNW tennocon then she spoiled the ending 😭

[hollow trench]

What happened after ordis was cephaloned did he just occupy a random spot in the empire till they stopped existing

Wait was it the voice actor that kissed reb

[hollow trench]

4d chess

[silk atlas]

Shipped off to the Orbiter and made to serve your Tenno lol

[pale cedar]

He was given a precept then did what he does now

[hollow trench]

Straight away? That’s wild

Homeboy must have been pissed tf off

[silk atlas]

Read his Codex entries lmao he couldn't be more pissed if you tried

[pale cedar]

Have you seen his Ordan voice?

[hollow trench]

I know about those

It’s been a minute since I read and watched the vids

[pale cedar]

Have you seen him in BOTB

[hollow trench]

Botb?

[pale cedar]

Belly of the Beast

He had some not nice things to say to Parvos

[hollow trench]

I don’t remember that tbh

If it was an operation I didn’t have the time to do it

[pale cedar]

It was

"Ordan Karris should have- SLIT YOUR THROAT- when he had the chance."

[silk atlas]

He says all the same things in the Ascension gamemode

The Operation was just doing the gamemode but with more stuff, like the last 5 or so have been

[strange plinth]

the parvos-ordis banter is missing in the regular mission entirely

[woven coyote]

Operation was oops all almost all jade eximus

[silk atlas]

...No? I'm pretty sure him and Parvos still give their old back and forth. Are you sure?

[strange plinth]

unless its been changed since i was last there, it is gone

[silk atlas]

Like, nothing changed when doing the Triumph of Dust or the Murmur one, so why would this? I just don't believe you lol

[strange plinth]

i agree, it shouldn't have changed, but it did
last i played ascension was a little after the second botb run i believe

[silk atlas]

Oh my God what

[pale cedar]

Seems the same to me

[stiff fable]

er

this isn't super uncommon

it's like how Alad no longer cackles when you raid Regor's labs

[restive river]

He lost his funny

[pale cedar]

I had just rescued a frame he kidnapped so that’s understandable

[restive river]

Lmao

[austere summit]

Dude thought he finally hit payday just to have the check stolen from his hands at the bank.
Yeah, he's understandably angry

[winged eagle]

Hello guys, I just received the android close beta invitation but after downloading it it keeps initializing. Is there a solution to this problem. (I uninstalled and reinstalled still the same problem)

[modest stream]

just to check, in the 1999 intro is it Drifter/Operator controlling Arthur's hand with Transference?

[strange plinth]

its either albrecht (familiar with the keyboard, types in shorthand that drifter is shown to be somewhat unfamiliar with later + the "You Are Late" moment matches "DNT B L8"), or drifter (obvious vessel to arthur connection, although we didn't have control over him last time)
more evidence in the way of albrecht i believe

[silk atlas]

Doubt because they haven't gotten in to 1999 yet. They had to use the Helminth for that

[humble sierra]

Does Loid have any lines after Old Peace, or any regarding the Devil's Triad?

[fast dew]

No.

I'm so upset about it.

Idk if we get more after we complete the deal or not

If we don't i may lose it

[humble sierra]

God I hope so, and I hope we get some from ||the family too|| since that's kinda the whole point of what we're doing

[fast dew]

I may become Roathe and go insane

[swift gyro]

i never though about it, but where exactly does lotus stays along the game?

[humble sierra]

She has her own little base that you visit a few times

Not sure where exactly

[fast dew]

Its on lua isn't it?

The chamber of the lotus

[humble sierra]

Sounds right

[silk atlas]

The family has been left out of this by everyone relevant to it, so doubt they'll be involved

[humble sierra]

But yeah you first see it in person in the Apostasy Prologue where Ballas shows up and makes her leave, then again after New War where you take her back to recover

[silk atlas]

Marie can't even speak to Otak because Necraloid can't let it slip

[swift gyro]

wish we could visit and see her as a npc and we could buy things from her, idk what exactly.

[humble sierra]

After Lotus Eaters, she's in the Sanctum.

She has a couple lines but she goes to another area after The Old Peace quest. Still in the Sanctum, but no lines on approaching her.

[humble sierra]

Yeah but Roathe's whole goal appears to be to convince Loid to talk to the others. According to KIMulacrum ||you can help him succeed||

[swift gyro]

Hmm, why is roathe treating marie like she was something dangerous? is it because of her powers (wisp)?

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht has both her and Lyon watching over Roathe

[lean garden]

because shes, according to him, a sycophant for albrecht

[fast dew]

Marie has every right to like Albrecht ngl

[lilac aspen]

It’s a two on one fight

And both of the warframes they’re based on is such a devious combo you can know Albrecht planned what serum they were given

[swift gyro]

had to search that sycophant word ngl, both bcs i dont know what is and i am brazilian. but why is that for albrecht? i know she see him like someone ´´good´´ or like he was a deity

[lean garden]

its not "good" for albrecht by default, but roathe hates albrecht and marie likes the guy, so theyre obviously going to come at odds

[fast dew]

Roathe thinks Marie sees him as a deity, Marie sees him as more of a father figure i think

[swift gyro]

and why does marie likes albrecht?

[fast dew]

Roathe is just unfamiliar to actual love kekw

[lean garden]

talk to marie and find out

[lilac aspen]

Marie sees him as the guy who let her finally be able to not need a wheelchair

[fast dew]

Well. Gave her the ability to "walk" again

[stiff beacon]

Hey good news, roathe dropped entratis wife's name

[fast dew]

We know

He did that a while ago

I personally think she died in child birth, but that is just a headcanon

[silk atlas]

Haven't kept up since I'm out of my house, her legs were paralyzed???

[fast dew]

She had no lower legs at all lol

[silk atlas]

Oof

[fast dew]

She's a double amputee

She was in a wheel chair for a while too

[lean garden]

hang on didnt she have legs but they werent working?

or did her french get to me lol

[swift gyro]

i mean. i just know he kinda ´´helped´´ her by turned her into a proto and made her fly, which is better than not walking again. so marie see him like a ´´deity´´ while roathe hates albrecht because he was turned into a proto frame by him.

[fast dew]

Nup, iirc either Rebb or Megan mentioned her being an amputee

[lean garden]

see, at odds

[fast dew]

Devstream when she was shown off, during the arsenal section I think

[swift gyro]

but thats not the only reason roathe hates her right?

[fast dew]

No i think thats kinda it

Other than Roathe being a atheist

Well. Is he an atheist if he is a member of the vain faith? Well. Was.

[silk atlas]

I would've been pissed if being Helminth just gave me complete legs and Albrecht gave me the one frame that can't walk

[swift gyro]

meh, i mean, if a person thinks albrecht is cool then i guess i would hate that person. but on the other side marie dont know exactly what albrecht already did to other people and just think he is a chill guy.

[fast dew]

Oh no, Marie knows

We, Roathe or Loid has told her.

Its refreshing honestly

[swift gyro]

nah okay then she might be dumb then. but why? is like ´´oh, you made me ´´walk´´ again, then i would follow you no matter what you did´´?

[fast dew]

Well, I don't know if helminth could do that 😭 maybe if she had prosthetics?

[fast dew]

She was treated as a normal human being, and not an "invalid". That's why she likes him.

[lilac aspen]

She’s like me
She had limbs but they were born non-functional

[fast dew]

He went out of his way to. Treat her as such

[lilac aspen]

In her case though, her legs were probably removed to a degree

[fast dew]

Mm. Probably some form of infection?

[swift gyro]

albrecht plans might not only have been to turn her into a proto frame...

[lean garden]

bruh

[fast dew]

... to enable her to walk.

Marie sees Albrecht as a Father.

[fast dew]

Necrosis from a level of untreated infection.. what's that one, gangrene?

[lilac aspen]

No she was born with defective legs
But considering her era of time
Uhhhh
Yeahhhh
Her parents might of had some of her legs removed so people didn’t toss her down a mountain

[swift gyro]

some..of her legs..?

[fast dew]

Well, you are capable of moving those limbs, if not by other means, yes? She likely wasnt. Pressure wounds are nasty things.

[lilac aspen]

Like “Yeah she lost her legs in an accident at a young young age” instead of “My child was born crippled (which usually meant devil/changeling stuff)”

[fast dew]

I think some form of untreated infection lead to amputation

This is (probably) 1899 France after all.

[lilac aspen]

She could move her legs
It’s just her legs were not properly formed in a manner to allow walking

My arms are similar
I can move them but they had to do surgery to give me a proper hand so I can actually do stuff

If they never did the surgery then I’d be probably typing this with a pencil in my mouth

Think a better explanation is she had legs
But improper formed feet to use those legs

[fast dew]

Where was this said? Was it mentioned how old she was around it?
-# also I dont think this church was particularly like that, it still has self flagellation and are randomly super progressive

[lilac aspen]

I had the chat
Think it was like…
Second or third?
Shoot

Hang on

[fast dew]

Actually the progressiveness might lowkey come from Albrecht hold on

[lilac aspen]

Rank 1 convo 3

[fast dew]

No matter what you think of him, he wasnt an ass in that regard, which i appreciate

[lilac aspen]

Born with deformed feet so she could not walk properly

[fast dew]

Mm. Pressure sores could've still occurred imo. Dont need to be paralysed to have em occur, just needed to have not moved your legs in a long period. You can form them relatively quick too.

Not to be presumptive, but I'm not too sure if pressure sores can actually form on arms if you're not putting weight on them constantly. They are more common on wheelchair users (I use a chair occasionally, ive had them myself)

I also might be using a different term than what you're used to. A more known term is a bedsore?

[scenic depot]

this book could either be just filler text or have something interesting

[fast dew]

we've gotten it translated

[scenic depot]

what does it say

[fast dew]

Lemme

[strange plinth]

it isn't filler but it isn't super.. clear either

[fast dew]

Its kinda like the bibble

[scenic depot]

warframe jesus?

[lilac aspen]

DE clearly painstakingly wrote an entire Warframe Bible and used it as a prop here

[restive river]

Full Version (for Archival purposes) (minus the secret third page?):

(shorter version below)

Left Page

*and in those days, the Earth was wild in mist, and the hearts of Men grew weary

they built altars of stone and offered the fruits of their labor, yet their p

for the eternal (shkth) not the scent of burnt offerings, but the fragran

and there arose among them a wanderer, whose name was long forgotten, who spoke not with

he walked amidst the desolate fields, and where his shadow fell, the barren ground

Men asked of him, saying, tell us, o sir, where shall we find The Dwelling of The Mos

and he answered, look not onto the mountains, nor to the depths, for The Dwelling

then where their eyes opened for a season, and they beheld the world as it was in the b

but when fear returned onto them, the vision was taken away, and the days of s

yet it is written: though the stars fall from their places and the sea forget

for even in the darkness, the whisper (ndoorth) unseen, unbroken, awaiting the ear

Earth was wild in mist, and the hearts of Men grew weary with the burden of their

stone and offered the fruits of their labor, yet their prayers rose no higher than

(-th) not the scent of burnt offerings, but the fragrance of understanding

a wanderer, whose name was long forgotten, who spoke not with many words, yet whose sil(ence)

desolate fields, and where his shadow fell, the barren ground gave forth green (sh)

tell us, o sir, where shall we find The Dwelling of The Most High.

ot onto the mountains, nor to the depths, for The Dwelling of The Most High is with

for a season, and they beheld the world as it was in the beginning clothed in light

onto them, the vision was taken away, and the days of silence began.

e stars fall from their places and the sea forget its course, the breath

ness, the whisper (ndoorth) unseen, unbroken, awaiting the ear that (rmbrth) (too)

and in those days, the Earth was wild in mist, and the hearts of Men grew weary

they built altars of stone and offered the fruits of their labor, yet their p

for the eternal (shkth) not the scent of burnt offerings, but the fragran

and there arose among them a wanderer, whose name was long forgotten, who spoke not with

he walked amidst the desolate fields, and where his shadow fell, the barren ground

Men asked of him, saying, tell us, o sir, where shall we find The Dwelling of The Mos*

[strange plinth]

woa

[restive river]

Got this from a friend in the archives server

Thank you Aifrie we appreciate you so much

[fast dew]

Left page :) and it just loops
*and in those days, the Earth was wild in mist, and the hearts of Men grew weary

they built altars of stone and offered the fruits of their labor, yet their p

for the eternal (shkth) not the scent of burnt offerings, but the fragran

and there arose among them a wanderer, whose name was long forgotten, who spoke not with

he walked amidst the desolate fields, and where his shadow fell, the barren ground

Men asked of him, saying, tell us, o sir, where shall we find The Dwelling of The Mos

-# please modmail dont kill me

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/so-sayweall-battlestart-galactica-william-adama-bsg-twelve-colonies-gif-18616973

[obtuse vine]

If the xenoflora makes sentients blue, why is aidis' real face still red?

[sick nebula]

I suspect that the Dactolyst's color change isn't simply from the flowers, it's from having his name erased and replaced with a new one.

(apparently the codex says that Dactolyst was male?)

[obtuse vine]

I feel like that would be more evidence as to why aidis' face should be blue. because his name is never replaced

[strange plinth]

we see other sentients in the quest go from blue to red
throughout it, they're blue, but during the final assault on tauron academy sequence, they're red
adis does the same with his eyes, though, iirc.
i think dactolysts are just red and the eyes are the bit that changes

[obtuse vine]

i need to rewatch the dactolyst sequence again but i swear I though i saw his face go from blue to red

[sick nebula]

The face definitely does change in the quest, but the Codex seems to think it actually changes to more of a copper-color

[strange plinth]

i am mistaken, the face is definitely blue to start with

[lilac aspen]

A reference to how some animals gain color pigments from eating certain things

The flowers are blue

So without flowers they revert to the base color

Kinda like how a flamingo can turn grey if they don’t eat the right thing, I think?

[obtuse vine]

this is what i assumed, yet aidis' real face is red not blue

[strange plinth]

yea
only times we see the face under the mask, its red

[potent raft]

Y’all think Roathe will narrate Uriel Prime’s trailer?

[sick nebula]

The Codex Dactolyst (hacked) is very clearly orange/copper, not red

[obtuse vine]

its either him or albrecth

[obtuse vine]

is he? do you have a screenshot because i cant open the game rn

[obtuse vine]

huh

[sick nebula]

Also: as viewed from the side, the Dactolyst looks waaaaay more like a dragonfly than a bat

I wonder if "Dactolyst" is related to "dactylos", meaning "finger"

[stiff fable]

almost certainly

[wind ruin]

She refers to Albrecht as "Cardinal Dimanche". As in he's actually a Cardinal in the church of Sol and Lua, or at least presented himself as one.

[hollow trench]

Wait

Do the proto frames have the ability to like undress? Or is their suit fused to them? Can they even use the bathroom?

I couldn’t imagine having an itch I couldn’t reach

Would we see any sign of infestation if you looked at them mostly undressed? ( Aoi maybe? Because of her arms?)

[obtuse vine]

they gor privates yes

and yes they can go to the bathroom

[strange plinth]

some or most of that clothing is fused to them now
other areas are still removeable, either for normal reasons or probably similar to what umbra does during the sacrifice, tearing away the outer shell

[hollow trench]

Interesting

[proper barn]

Okay so if you physically look at them. A lot of then have like clothes covering up parts of them and you can even seen how some parts of them aren't actually fully infested. But also in some Kim chats they say their bits work.

[proper barn]

Well some of them I think is just clothes that aren't fused.

Like lyon is only really infested in his hands and back.

[hollow trench]

It’s internal first then external I’m assuming

[proper barn]

Like Kaya you can see it's only her like "feet" and arms.

It's why she has a shirt on.

[strange plinth]

most likely

[hollow trench]

Marie has no “feet”

Per se

Not human feet

[proper barn]

Marie already didn't have feet.

She had a disability.

[hollow trench]

Huh

That’s neat

[proper barn]

Yeah.

Oh Letties feet

If you look her feet are totally fine.

[hollow trench]

Aois arms

[proper barn]

The infestation stops at her ankles.

Aois fingernails are bleeding cuz ofnthe infestation.

[hollow trench]

That had to be a mf to grow

I see it now

That’s crazy

[obtuse prawn]

why did ballas not like roathe?

[waxen mesa]

so whats the deal with the white roots

[hollow trench]

Trees? Or plant life modified by the orokin

[waxen mesa]

they seemed to be part of the infrastructure

like a power wire

[hollow trench]

Maybe it’s both

Utility and a decoration

[waxen mesa]

in this image they are attached to extraction

[hollow trench]

The survival mission on Lua where you have a center room there’s like four hallways that lead to a singular area and you have these. I want to say ramps that lead up to control consoles if you activate them all from shortest to tallest, it, turns like the trees in the center on almost I don’t know what it does

But I’m pretty sure it would be like something to do with the power

You see them wrapped around Cryo pods too

[proper barn]

Aboraform

I think is the name.

[dire mountain]

Arboriform

Arbor as in tree as it is a tree-like flora

[hollow trench]

Organic wiring essentially?

[waxen mesa]

more. these ones seem...harvested?

[proper barn]

Idk about organic necessarily.

But it seems to be used in void places.

Or to route void into things.

[waxen mesa]

are the orokin void areas protected against the void?

[proper barn]

In what way?

[waxen mesa]

like are they in the void? could a human survive, assuming the neural sentry is disabled

[dire mountain]

Yes

[proper barn]

Those are 2 different questions

[dire mountain]

Their whole point were basically fallout shelters from the sentients

[proper barn]

But yes to both I guess.

You can live in the Void.

You'll just need something to eat.

[hollow trench]

Do the neural sentries have a shape or is that just baked in to the structure

Also I wonder how much gold they used for the structures

[humble sierra]

They probably grew gold

[pine orchid]

is conceptually embodied food real food

[humble sierra]

Yeah

As real as everything else that's conceptually embodied

[restive river]

Made from the void but still very much so real

[humble sierra]

If you consider the Orowyrm counsel and Thrax as real people, you can consider CE'd food as real food too

[restive river]

I like to look at this for if ce things are real, it doesn’t entirely apply but
I like it

[Inside Sythel's house]

24. Does Sythel deserve our contempt?

A. Yes – she is a cringing coward

B. No – her experiences are real to her (correct)

At least for the CE’d people it’s real to them and that’s enough to make them real to me

And if they’re real so is everything else made from the void and emotions

[humble sierra]

The Warden is a CE'd Ballas but he's not actually Ballas, and he's not even really the idea of Ballas IMO— he's the idea of one aspect of Ballas, as he has got one specific goal which is torturing Kullervo

[hollow trench]

This burger is really good what’s your secret

Ground kaithe

[restive river]

He’s Kullervo’s vision of Ballas
Aka his crush

[fast dew]

I dont think this is supposed to be for CE 😭 this looks more for reading comprehension skills for school age kids than about the ethics of CE'd people

[hollow trench]

I find it funny how roathe says Marie must have been kicked in the head by a kaithe

Or it was Lyon he was talking about

[fast dew]

Probably marie

[hollow trench]

Also do you think the orokin seasoned their food or ate it like someone who thought seasoning would kill them

[fast dew]

Seasoned enough to knock out a horse.

They already have grown numb to the worst things, why is spicy food any different

[hollow trench]

Hottest pepper challenge featuring ballas and nitokh

[fast dew]

Ballas would be a weak mf and throw up

[hollow trench]

Nitokh would probably try to poison him tbh

[fast dew]

Nitokh scares me.

[hollow trench]

Also

I honestly feel Ike nyx or saryn would be the top contenders for just ruining things fast

Saryn for biological warfare
Nyx cause if she can dismantle even a small percentage of command structures mentally

Dominoes just fall

[swift gyro]

From all the npcs like loid, necra-loid, cavias, lil duck etc.. whoyall think had the most sad backstory? and explain just the basic of the basic from your choice if possible.

[tall echo]

cavia

[dire mountain]

Jade is up there

[restive river]

okay? I can interpret how I want lol

[limpid crane]

This image at the end of this year's tennocon is depressing now that we have context

[strange plinth]

but at least valdur (most likely) did what we asked

[limpid crane]

Agreed

[swift gyro]

Why exactly does lyon think that everyone who tries to talk with him is by pity? and why didnt he want to talk to us exactly? because he though we were dangerous and probably enemies?

[humble sierra]

Especially the flowers. I went back to this video just to check if they were still alive, if there was still some bit of hope

[humble sierra]

He's got a lot of issues

[swift gyro]

someone can say the Nora lore?

[tall echo]

Just a random radio pirate

She seemingly comes from cetus based on one broadcast

[fast dew]

She also got glassed and unglassed

[cedar cedar]

Started thinking, canonically, roughly how many Tenno were aboard and saved from the zariman?

[wind ruin]

Yes. There were that many.

[lean garden]

yes

[restive river]

Less than the amount of players

[strange plinth]

5 digits or so based on character spacing in the zariman arg iirc

[wind ruin]

And equally, more than the amount of players.

Every player's Operator/Drifter was on the Zariman.

Then there were also NPC tenno.

[cedar cedar]

That’s what I was thinking, cause if it’s the same amount of even just active players, idc how much void technology you jam into that ship it is not holding over 1000000 people

[marble pewter]

I think something was alluded to the number after you reached R5 with Chrysalith

But not an exact number

I need to rewatch the cutscenes

[restive river]

We very rarely get exact numbers

Unless its stats for weapons lmao

[humble sierra]

How many named NPC Tenno do we know?

Rell
Terrolee?
A few others I think?
Then from the ARG ||Thunder|| was all I remember

[strange plinth]

berryn?
||Snapper, Ghast, Perch, Sunny||

[humble sierra]

The ARG ones have such interesting names

Because they don't feel like names, they're more like words and stuff

Also two of them are named after fish

[strange plinth]

callsigns or something, yea
and they mostly fit with their frames or equipment, which leans into that

[humble sierra]

Maybe they're meant to be call signs actually?

[humble sierra]

Did they have confirmed Warframes? I know we get some weapons

I also haven't seen pre-release stream yet actually

Should get onto that at some point

[strange turtle]

The ones in the ARG

Or did you mean like, specifically

[strange plinth]

i had matched them together a while ago
perch + daikyu for ivara
sunny + gunsen for wisp
ghast + reaper prime for nekros
snapper + dual keres for khora
thunder + silva & aegis for rhino

[pine orchid]

sounds fitting enough

[strange plinth]

the quotes make the weirder ones fit better
perch's quote matches ivara especially
rhino to thunder was process of elimination

[pine orchid]

I wasnt sure why snapper would be khora but ig kibby? snapping jaw?

[humble sierra]

Ah, yeah, since some of those were Warframe specific weapons

[humble sierra]

Snapper's dialogue had the Dual Keres

[strange plinth]

dual keres is tied to khora, that's their only real link iirc

[humble sierra]

Khora's signature weapon (or at least it's in her Prime Relic)

[pine orchid]

oooh right I forgot abt their names tying to the weapons

brain shelved them as 3 separate groups of info lmao

[restive river]

Codenames?

[wind ruin]

Callsigns

[restive river]

I swear you can match them to the focus schools too
Rhino is def Unairu

[strange plinth]

yea, they each fit a school too, i think
i just hadn't gone that far

[restive river]

Furthest I got with it is Unairu for Rhino and I wanna say Zenurik for Khora?

She seems to fit the domination mentality

[tall echo]

Not all but yea

[strange plinth]

their quotes probably give more insight to the schools than anything, let me find those

[restive river]

Wisp for Vazarin works well too

Naramon for Ivara actually cause precision so that would leave Maduari for Nekros
Maybe swap Nekros and Khora?

[strange plinth]

-# "See that? Didn't even scratch the armor! Like the old fort I made back on the ship, when things got bad. And if they can't get through me, they won't ever get through us! I promise." - Thunder
-# "I know it's scary, but when you can't see me, that means they can't, either. It means I'm watching over you. It means you're safe. Nobody will get close enough to hurt you—never again." - Perch
-# "You know what helps me? Thinking about home. No, no. Not the school, or the Zariman! I mean the place we're gonna build together after this. C'mon! You can have your own bedroom!" - Sunny
-# "You think I want to fight? I don't! But you know as well as I do that putting them down first is the surest, fastest way to end this war. I'm not losing anyone else before then. Myself included." - Snapper
-# "Dying isn't so bad. There's worse things. I checked. But being with you lot? That's better. I think. Our parents would want it this way. Most of them." - Ghast

[tall echo]

Naramon doesn't really fit ivara with the whole melee focus

[strange plinth]

Unairu def matches Thunder
Vazarin for Perch?

[restive river]

It does fit the precision that relates to Naramon however

[restive river]

Rhino also just makes sense for Unairu, people say Naramon or Zenurik but Rhino’s like
The tank guy, so. That’s Unairu lol

Also Vazarin is the support school and we only have one support frame

So Wisp

[strange plinth]

true, that fits better actually

[restive river]

Also with what Perch says
That’s Ivara’s invis lmao

[wind ruin]

Snapper is Madurai. "Put em down first"

[restive river]

Or Wisp’s!

Vazarin is wisp

[restive river]

Could be maybe Zenurik cause the domination aspect

[dark compass]

Emotional support venari

[wind ruin]

Honestly, I'd put Ivara/Perch for Zenurik. "No one will get close enough."

[dark compass]

Zenurik is Nekros because he's a mage

duh

[light laurel]

Has anybody calculated the warframe credit-irl money ratio?

[strange plinth]

that's what i was leaning towards? not fully sure though

[dark compass]

And Khora is the melee one because she's the only one with a dedicated melee ability

Sorry I forgot the melee ones name

[strange plinth]

naramon?
i was considering tying that to Ghast/Nekros

[dark compass]

Yeah, naramon

I feel like it's a lot more superficial than people think

[pine orchid]

khora has swords, naramon has bigg sword... yea sure I can see that

[dark compass]

Unairu Rhino because tank
Vazarin Wisp because support
Naramon Khora because whip
Zenurik Nekros because spellcaster

[strange plinth]

"There's worse things. I checked." feels similar to naramon's Know The Enemy thing, sorta
not opposed to khora being tied there either, though

[dark compass]

And Madurai Ivara because bow

[pine orchid]

figured this might help, since I was looking for this myself

[dark compass]

Madurai fits the dedicated ranged offense and Ivara is the only one in the group who is focused on it

Naramon fits the dedicated melee offense and Khora is ultimately a melee frame even if her main melee source is an ability

Zenurik is all about energy and abilities, and Nekros is fully reliant on his unconventional abilities

The other two are very obvious role fits that probably don't need explanation

There's as much weight to gameplay as there is to philosophy imo

[restive river]

I’d say Naramon fits Ivara better due to it’s ideology with Khora for Madurai

[dark compass]

Who got the bow though

[strange plinth]

"surest, fastest way to end this war" fits Madurai for sure

[restive river]

I’m looking at the ideologies not the gameplay

[dark compass]

I really feel like they should go hand in hand here

[strange plinth]

tbf the gameplay of the schools rarely matches with their descriptions

[restive river]

Naramon’s about knowing the enemy but Zenurik has the book
But it makes sense cause Naramon’s blade is a precise strike

[pine orchid]

small aside, I'm a little confused why tactician is not related to Zenurik when Zenurik has buff/ energy regen and debuff, and Zenurik's the one with the book-shaped artifact

[dark compass]

It's a classic dnd trope of wizard being the walking nuke

And having a book

[restive river]

They really don’t, except Unairu and Vazarin iirc

[dark compass]

[pine orchid]

and having high Intelligence which would fit tactician too, no?

ig it could also be wisdom...

[restive river]

Yeah prob lol
They do rip a page out and then blast away so, it fits lol

[dark compass]

Intelligence doesn't equal wisdom

[strange plinth]

there's not much about a bunch of melee buffs that reinforces "Knowing The Enemy"

[restive river]

I wouldn’t say ripping a page out to make it do big blast fits being smart lol

It’s more so pure domination with a powerful beam via ripped book

[dark compass]

Yeah, just like wizard is the powercreep incarnate

[pine orchid]

I'm talking about in DnD, a wizard's main stat is intelligence

[restive river]

Yeah Naramon is kinda just there lol

[dark compass]

Naramon is "I studied the blade"

[restive river]

And I’m saying book doesn’t equal intelligence here

Naramon is precision strikes hence the blade

[dark compass]

Wizard isn't a tactician, it's a horrible destructive damage dealer

[restive river]

Zenurik is the wizard who knows only fireball

[dark compass]

So 99% of wizards

[pine orchid]

eh ig it's a difference in perception/ideas

[restive river]

Again, Naramon doesn’t initially fit a sword with it’s ideal but to get Naramon in the interactive it’s about being precise

[pine orchid]

because to me dnd wizard would be the more tactical one, but I personally prefer utility wizard rather than fireblast nuke wizard

[dark compass]

I feel like the dominant archetype in the eyes of people would still be the fireball spam

[willow pond]

Love Madurai is just you calling a rain of arrows.

[pine orchid]

and I suppose Naramon is like the fighter with the different fighting styles and combat domination(?) dice thingies

[dark compass]

Yes, for precision

[restive river]

Vazarin - Wisp (support)
Zenurik - Nekros (domination?)
Unairu - Rhino (outlasting)
Naramon - Ivara (precision)
Madurai - Khora (savage)

I think this is the most accurate ngl

[dark compass]

Also Nekros is a necromancer and that's a wizard thing to do

[restive river]

True!

[strange plinth]

its odd that Thunder and Sunny fit Unairu and Vazarin so well but the other three are more loosely connected

ig that's because Unairu and Vazarin are the only two that are actually consistent,,

[dark compass]

Zenurik is also consistent imo

It's just an archetype not a lot of people tend to see highlighted

[willow pond]

I was actually maybe thinking I should change my school to something else whenever I use Wisp. But idk what.

[dark compass]

The wizard full of ambition

Caring only for power and nothing else

[restive river]

What problems do you face when playing her?

[willow pond]

Nothing much really. I just figured it'd make sense to maybe use a school that fit with Wisp. Got no problems otherwise. I use Madurai so.

[restive river]

Thematically Vazarin works then

I need to get Madurai’s artifact still

Def my next one

[willow pond]

I'm mostly working towards possibly getting all the passives unbounded.

[restive river]

Oooo, goodluck!

They’re def worth it

[willow pond]

I have Madurai 100% maxed out (apart from the new nodes)

[strange plinth]

i grabbed Thara and haven't grabbed another since
Vexoric is the only other one that interests me but i rarely swap off of madurai

[willow pond]

Currently I got Last Gasp unlocked which is REALLY nice for self revives. I was planning to get movement speed next because WHY IS DRIFTER SO SLOW

[willow pond]

A fellow Madurai only? Eyyy

[restive river]

I got Zenurik first cause that’s what I got in the quiz
Got Unairu second via the bundle cause I’ve loved Unairu since Angels updated it
And Madurai. I love Madurai, I use that if I want my tenno to actually do damage

[pine orchid]

I have Zenurik because I'm Nekros' privateer cousin

[willow pond]

Seeing my Tenno doing 40k damage per shot is funny as hell.

[pine orchid]

the ocean cousin 🗿

[willow pond]

• with the new mods, the amp now has Multishot xD

[strange plinth]

i think i'll grab them all eventually
to get rid of the 'new purchase available' notifs if nothing else lol
just not a priority to grind for

[willow pond]

Honestly just make it a priority to unlock the unbound skills.

That's what I'm doing personally because the unbound skills are super convenient

[pine orchid]

I already unbound all my waybound skills and have completed not a single one of the trees 🧍

getting real close with Zenurik's one though

[strange plinth]

i completed each one and then like a month later tennocon happened
i think. might be misremembering

[dark compass]

enlightened centrist

[willow pond]

I'm planning to get movement speed stuff next

I don't like how sluggish drifter walks 😭

[pine orchid]

honestly yeah, some of the duviri intrinsics also count for operator/drifter outside Duviri I think? might wanna check on those too

[willow pond]

Didn't think Duviri would come back to Haunt me

I kept avoiding that place xD

[pine orchid]

it's more fun with friends! with the caveat that it's also sometimes more buggy with friends!

[dark compass]

yes, latest ones are applied to both operator and drifter outside of duviri

but i think its just hp and dmg

[pine orchid]

yeah I remember hp one, I didnt remember what else it's been a bit
I maxed out my intrinsics with isleweaver and didnt look back

[dark compass]

thanks for reminding to check on arthrithis

[willow pond]

It doesn't exactly help that, because I'm on a laptop, it's 50/50 whether or not I'm able to do duviri with people because of loading times. It's a struggle.

[humble sierra]

It's also free Mastery XP

60K total

[pine orchid]

I do usually run duviri with my lil squad of friends rather than random matchmaking

[willow pond]

But it's okay I'll probably quickly check the dormizone if there is any intrinstics I should be looking into. Maybe this is finally the time I do SOME duviri especially for Incarnons.

[dark compass]

those are the only non duviri intrinsics

[willow pond]

Oh goddamn you piece of-

[pine orchid]

oh yeah you get the honse!

[willow pond]

DUVIRI WHY MUST YOU DRAG ME BACK TO THAT HELL

[pine orchid]

honse controls like a dumptruck, but homsnensnse

[dark compass]

well how they say

begin again

[willow pond]

Side note. Talked to Marie on my daily talks with her. There is only one correct answer here.

Don't know french here but I feel like she angy or something.

Worth it btw

[pine orchid]

I wish there was an option to say "Oh you mean a Kuaka"

or one of those Deimos infested mouseys

criptilex?

[lean garden]

shes saying "I hate you! youre making me blush!"

[willow pond]

Worth it.

[willow pond]

SO WORTH IT

[lean garden]

mind you, you just got chemistry for that

[pine orchid]

she's so cute

[willow pond]

Maybe I should do Isleweaver instead of

Regular duviri for intrinstics

[pine orchid]

idk the exact numbers, but isleweaver and circuit are probably better for grinding intrinsics

friends and I do regular duviri for the mats usually, and the owl puzzle boxes

[willow pond]

Yeah I figured as much. Well! Atleast I got more to do.

[lean garden]

dude, just hunt down all the fragments

[willow pond]

Wut.

[lean garden]

there are lore fragments all over duviri, collecting all of them results in a ton of intrinsics

[willow pond]

Oh

[willow pond]

Do they save if I leave mid quest?

Like. If I just go in duviri to get the fragments then leave

[lean garden]

just go in collect them, and collect one decree to be safe

then dip

[willow pond]

Gotcha. Well I'll do it in normal then.

Ty.

[tardy wasp]

I am now starting the new world war.

[spice moth]

Lyon fact: he's scared of heights (try using archwing while using his proto skin)

[dark compass]

It works on any vehicle actually

[humble sierra]

I'm not gonna lie, for the longest time I thought the minimap interference that happens in Void Sabotage missions was because you're too close to the portal and they're destabilizing it

I had no clue there are those Grineer disruptor thingies floating in the air

[willow pond]

I was looking around for more voicelines when it comes to vehicles for Roathe and Lyon

I have Marie but no clue on the rest.

[fast dew]

Roathe likes vehicles, but more of a person who is used to it.

Lyon hates it. Gets angry and scared.

[willow pond]

I hear Lyon's. Hilarious btw. Dude really cannot handle vehicles LOL

[fast dew]

"NONNONONON NON"
Or whatever

[dark compass]

||Marie said the capital of Gaule is called Lumiere||

It's over

[fast dew]

...||light?||

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/clair-obscur-expedition-33-e33-verso-yeah-it's-true-gif-10988850435640300487

[fast dew]

What could that possibly mean?

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-legends-z-a-logo-title-card-gif-9153823380039447010

[dark compass]

Another expedition 33 win

[fast dew]

Eugh.

[dark compass]

Actually its something historical

Paris was named the City of Light (Ville lumière) at the beginning of the nineteenth century after becoming the first city in Europe to use gas lighting to illuminate its streets.

@fast dew

[fast dew]

Mm. Good.

More shit cementing 1899

[proven spire]

ballas and margulis were inlove fr fr roathe spilled the tea

the whole infatuation thing was complicated this whole time lol

[restive river]

Ballas’ one, kinda, redeeming quality aaaand he ruined that too

[humble sierra]

[proven spire]

maybe we had it wrong all along, we know that ballas was plotting to destroy the empire, it showed when he was designing the warframes

[humble sierra]

Also there was a line about two of their friends having visited. Is that a joke about Ben Starr and someone else?

[restive river]

He designed the frames before the tenno

[proven spire]

exactly, i have a feeling that he always disliked the empire and planned to rebel

it just went to extremes when he became mad after being blackmailed to send margulis to the jade light

[humble sierra]

I don't think he was blackmailed. I think he just gave up.

[restive river]

He wasn’t blackmailed?

[proven spire]

his initial breaking point was when margulis loved the tenno more than him

[restive river]

Also I’m not so sure about him always wanting to rebel

He was always terrible but went full psycho after Margulis

[fast dew]

Hypothetical suggested by roathe afaik

[proven spire]

yeah that's just speculation on my end till more is revealed after the kim convo i had today

[restive river]

Yeah, not really mentioned anywhere else

[fast dew]

And what, genuinely what, would blackmail ever do to hurt ballas

[restive river]

Bro was one of the most powerful of the Seven lol

[proven spire]

maybe there is more to the story, maybe ballas did all of it out of love and grief

[sturdy solar]

this is where the agenda begins

[restive river]

Not what eternalism means but ok

[fast dew]

I honestly would rather eat Ballas' actual damn ass than let this ever be real.

[restive river]

It was kinda just a cool trailer to reveal the new tag of the game, Wake Up
Yes he played Wally and maybe he will voice him in the rest of his appearances where he isn’t masquerading as someone else

[proven spire]

we also have to remember that natah is a different person to margulis

[restive river]

I think assuming that real life trailer means Wally is now real is such a huge stretch

[fast dew]

Yes, lotta folk forget that

[proven spire]

maybe natah's version of events is biased lol

[fast dew]

Ehh

[restive river]

Keep in mind he was the deciding vote

And then crashed out anyway

[fast dew]

Mhm

He could've just not voted.

[restive river]

What?

[fast dew]

Shot himself in the foot and cried about it.

[proven spire]

maybe he was forced to do it, if what roathe says is true he would have done anything for margulis

[restive river]

Ballas was just jealous that his love was capable of any other kind of love for anyone or anything other than him

[restive river]

Forced by who???

At most he would have been by societal pressures

And I doubt he cared about that since he was dating her

[tall echo]

He was forced... by himself

[proven spire]

yeah he was jealous because margulis loved the tenno and dedicated herself to them instead of being with him more

[fast dew]

Roathe is a liar and deceiver who's entire world view is skewed by the fact he is a orokin.

[tall echo]

Specifically she refused to let the orokin weaponize the tenno

[fast dew]

What could be seen as "love" to him, could very well be a form of abuse.

[proven spire]

the love was mutual, that's the key here

[fast dew]

Ehhh

[proven spire]

ballas respected margulis

[fast dew]

ehhh.

[sturdy solar]

wasnt he also dating an executor

[fast dew]

Roathe? Possibly.

[strange turtle]

Roathe is also an outside viewer and not privy to the actual internal goings on, he’d only know of any publicised issues

[sturdy solar]

nitokh i think

[tall echo]

Not exactly

[proven spire]

i could just screenshot the whole kim convo again lol

[fast dew]

Nitokh used Roathe.

[tall echo]

Ballas desired margulis. As property

[strange turtle]

We’ve seen it

[proven spire]

like genuinely they were both happy together right up until the tenno arrived back from the zariman

[fast dew]

Respected her like one would respect a particularly expensive computer.

[tall echo]

Aye

[fast dew]

"Happy" according to a outsider.

[tall echo]

A very biased outsider

[proven spire]

can the orokin ever truly be forgiven

ballas redemption arc incoming

after we killed him lmao

[tall echo]

Only on an individual scale

[humble sierra]

was being the keyword there

Eventually Ballas just loved the idea of Margulis

[tall echo]

Roach shows signs of being much more morally well adjusted than other orokin, but he still has the issue of orokin pride

[sturdy solar]

some people date because they like the idea of dating someone

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[proven spire]

yes because if he truly loved her he would've let her be free with the tenno

[fast dew]

He wanted her as an object.

Ive always thought that was rather obvious

[proven spire]

well roathe did say he could've done that whenever he wanted

[fast dew]

Eh.

Not the same.

[proven spire]

he was one of the seven and margulis was just an archimedean

[fast dew]

We're talking about an narcissistic abuser.

[restive river]

Have you read his messages on Margulis and Ballas?
Bro ain’t lying.

[restive river]

Nope, not here

[proven spire]

yeah they were genuinely inlove together lol

[restive river]

Yes Ballas is
God awful but Roathe has zero reason to lie about anything about this relationship
Ballas actually loved her.

[tall echo]

Tbf there is some bias, the love might've been more genuine pre-tenno

Never entirely pure, but more genuine

[restive river]

Def wasn’t genuine by the Old Peace

[fast dew]

He, like many others like him, are very, very good at convincing themselves that its "genuine."

[proven spire]

it just all fell apart when the tenno came back lol

[lean garden]

Thomas

We've been over this thomas

[restive river]

Margulis had a conscience, saw the Tenno and took them in
Even when they hurt her she still loved them
But Ballas, because he’s a narcissist couldn’t handle his partner loving anything else in any other way
That’s why he let her die.

[fast dew]

I aint saying he is, im just saying take what he says with a grain of salt. He is a biased outsider, who, unless he was for some reason at that very moment watching ballas as he met Margulis for the first time, would've just heard it from others, honestly maybe Nitokh.

He may be "lying" by not knowing.

[proven spire]

margulis eyes were burned out and then he was 'forced' to send his love to death then that was the second tipping point

[fast dew]

He.... wasnt really forced.

[proven spire]

like maybe his plans before all of that was a bit less extreme then he became crazy lol

[fast dew]

What would blackmail even do to an orokin? Not like they didn't try to kill each other regularly.

[restive river]

You literally just called him a liar.
He told us what he witnessed and what he witnessed was love.

[proven spire]

we would have to know more to be sure

but it is implied there was more going on

[restive river]

Roathe is an eye witness to the events, this may be as more as we get

[tall echo]

Get the word forced out of there

[proven spire]

also remember that ballas wasn't even the worst of the seven

[fast dew]

Political blackmail was common, it was like. A whole thing for them.

[restive river]

We have their “love story”

[proven spire]

yeah it's one piece of the puzzle

this story update is all about remembering what truly happened

[restive river]

Ballas was shy
He could have had her at any moment but nope, it wasn’t about that
He was in love.

[humble sierra]

According to Roathe

[restive river]

If we just say everything the KIM convos say are lies then what’s the point of them?

[fast dew]

Idk why but i can never see whatever "love" ballas had for Margulis as genuine.

[restive river]

Iirc he calls him the most powerful or one of the most powerful
But he wasn’t that awful when compared to the others

[proven spire]

we love our boi regent grand carnus roathe

[fast dew]

Eh.

[tall echo]

Bias, probably

[fast dew]

Dont particularly appreciate his threats to the family.

[restive river]

then why would they literally have an eye witness tell us he isn’t lying while he regales to us their love story

[proven spire]

natah is also a sentient that plotted with hunhow and ballas

[humble sierra]

His love for her was enough for him to see her when veiled and give up on his obsession for a couple seconds

[restive river]

I don’t believe she really had any control in that arrangement ):

[fast dew]

She absolutely didn't.

[proven spire]

it just so happened that natah didn't go thru the original plan so ballas and hunhow were stuck in cryosleep together with us

[humble sierra]

And she's not blinded there, which is why I say he's in love with the idea of her, or whatever they used to have

[restive river]

Based mom wanted kids

[tall echo]

Minus the cryo part for hunhow

[restive river]

Also Hunhow wasn’t in cryo yeah

[fast dew]

Hunhow was just out there

[restive river]

Grandpappy was at the bottom of a methane sea

[proven spire]

the plan was to wake up ballas and hunhow so they could destroy our pods lol

[tall echo]

Gramps was just chillin in the fart ocean

[fast dew]

Ha i get that joke

[proven spire]

that was the sequence natah was supposed to finish

[tall echo]

Same sentence with different words

[restive river]

Mom is based

[fast dew]

Also I aint schizo right the description says blue but this mf is purple, right?

[tall echo]

Not exactly

[restive river]

Yeah its urple

[proven spire]

it's just so tragic lol then right up until the new war a supposedly grieving ballas got turned into a sentient monster

[restive river]

It may have been blue in concepts but changed in the final release and never altered cause its so minor

[fast dew]

Why does it say blue then

[tall echo]

The plan was to destroy the orokin and then the tenno, no break inbetween. Natah kinda nope'd the second half

[fast dew]

But like. The ones in Albrecht's labs are blue

Those are blue

[restive river]

Because it may have been blue in concepts but changed in the final release for the decoration?

[humble sierra]

Subtle blue, loudly purple

[restive river]

We got blue ones just not for us

It’s a really minor thing tbh

[tall echo]

-# blue

OURPLE

[restive river]

Blurple

Discord’s totally real color

[tall echo]

Hate it

[fast dew]

Why can't they just. Change the buyable one over... my head hurts.

[restive river]

Cause they missed it and it’s a minor mistake that doesn’t really matter much

[fast dew]

Minor things like this genuinely ruins whole weeks for me, I hate it

[tall echo]

I should come up with a name for the specific red shade I use a lot...

[restive river]

Warframe is a huge fame, stuff happens lol

[tall echo]

It is indeed a huge fame

[restive river]

I meant game but fame works too lmao

[restive river]

Rusty scrap?

[pale cedar]

Warframe the small indie fame

[fast dew]

Like it took me several days to stop myself from getting unnecessarily headachey from Vilcor being weird with the timeline of when he met Euleria

[tall echo]

It's not rusty, it's red with a slight leaning towards pink

[restive river]

Oh I’ve been using a similar color for a bit!

[tall echo]

I found it in monster hunter by accident

[restive river]

Sorta hot pink sorta not

[tall echo]

I used the red for the frend role in me server

[fast dew]

Vilcor mentions meeting Mother after Albrecht left

Loid and literally so many other things actively contradicts that

Brain hurt

Mucking. Daughter contradicts it

In the same darn update

[proven spire]

imagine your coworkers want to weaponize your wife's new children so you plot to somehow undermine them because it puts her in danger because he knows she will refuse

he did all of it out of love, it just backfired horribly lol

[fast dew]

Ehh

He hated the tenno.

[proven spire]

i mean there's gotta be a point where because margulis loves them he at least partially accepted them

[fast dew]

... no not really

[proven spire]

maybe he only truly hated the tenno because they were the catalyst to his love's death

[fast dew]

Wasnt the blinding the first thing the tenno ever did when meeting Margulis?

[pine orchid]

I dont think we know if it was the first necessarily

but it was certainly early on I think

[proven spire]

no it wasn't, she and ballas were there after they got rescued remember

and then margulis laid eyes on them that's when ballas knew she would dedicated herself to them

more than him

[fast dew]

... no this very much isn't the case. He hated them cus they drew her attention from him. Yk, narcissist traits

[proven spire]

according to who?

maybe it wasn't narcissism, maybe it was concern that she would get caught up in the end and she did

[proven spire]

this is a mad and grieving ballas at this point in time

[pine orchid]

I think my takeaway on it is Ballas may have at one point accommodated Margulis' feelings for the children, but that then soured

[strange turtle]

Thats talking about Natah though

[proven spire]

my speculation is maybe he just wanted to save margulis from the other orokin's plans on the tenno to the point where his conclusion was to overthrow the empire so he plotted and then it backfired and ended in tragedy anyway

[pine orchid]

and even something that may have been genuine love at some point can turn sour. At the end of the day Roathe is still someone on the outside looking in, he doesn't know everything between them and relationships are complicated one way or another. It might be intentional writing too so that people can relate to it however they want with there not being one right answer about their early relationship. But we can all agree at the end Ballas did horrible things and was selfish

[proven spire]

since margulis dedicated herself to the tenno, the tenno was margulis, so it would make sense he would try something

it was only after margulis died where all that rage and grief was put on the tenno

[pine orchid]

my view throughout this segment is he was kinda flipping back and forth between talking to Natah and 'Margulis', because Lotus in a way is both
and it's not like Ballas can talk to Margulis anymore, so best he could do is project to the being he wrote with Margulis' memories

[proven spire]

like think about it, if he did anything to the tenno beforehand he would lose margulis