lore-discussion

[fast dew]

Marie has greys in her hair.

[solar salmon]

Void is a whole different thing

[thick yacht]

🗿

[stiff fable]

Lua is more mystery teehee stuff

[marble pewter]

I feel like he was making contingency plans or something..First trial and error with 1999, then time travel to 1899.. and possibly more

[fast dew]

Marie is older and not some. 20 year old nun

[thick yacht]

Mfw the ancient ass Orokin has less grey hair than the Nun

[stiff fable]

So do Arthur and Eleanor

[solar salmon]

He probably eugenicd his current body to have no Norwood

[stiff fable]

It's almost certainly a reaction to physical stress from Helminthing

[fast dew]

Yeah, and they're like. In their 30s yeah? I like to think late 30s

[solar salmon]

Many many trips to oro-turkey

[marble pewter]

YES I remember this answer

[stiff fable]

late 20s

Mid to late 20s, even

[fast dew]

Ehhh

They really don't look it ngl

[stiff fable]

They do not.

[fast dew]

And if it was from the helminth, that means everyone would have it

[pine orchid]

oh so there's confirmation from DE directly!

[fast dew]

Which... they dont

[stiff fable]

No because physical stress doesn't have the same effect on people

[solar salmon]

I think Arthur is just unc

[iron tiger]

Wow right on the money, I do wonder what would happen if drifter and operator spent too much time in the same slot

[marble pewter]

So Drifter and Operator interact only in the dormizone theoretically

[fast dew]

... its literally 2 siblings and a nun (which can be a genetic thing, i have a sibling who has whole patches of white hair)

[solar salmon]

And also people in the earlier centuries aged faster because of the general quality of life so her having greys isn't that insane

The siblings having the greys is defo genetic tho

[tawdry lintel]

they were also soldiers or emergency responders
probably stress n stuff

[strange plinth]

physically, dormizone and the sanctum, yea
they can 'talk' through the void bubble though

[fast dew]

Arthur is also shown to have it before helminth-ified, if the religious icons are to be believed as genuine depictions

[stiff fable]

Like, I'm pretty sure the war where Arthur's friend gets killed is the Gulf War, since that happened right after Arthur signed up

[tawdry lintel]

wonder if they actually can
would they have to force it somehow?
or would reality just say nuh uh

[stiff fable]

so Arthur would be 19ish then and 29ish by 1999

[fast dew]

Still no clue what the religious icons are meant to be, the text thats on Loid's doesnt make much sense

[iron tiger]

We see the glitching when they both sit down in the Zariman

[fast dew]

"First son" OF WHO???

[solar salmon]

I think if we can get a father son kamehameha void super with the both of them it'd be hilarious but I don't think they can do that without some incredible circumstances

[marble pewter]

Wait which icons are you referring to again?

[solar salmon]

Reality rejecting you prolly hurts fierce

[restive river]

First sun?
Like sol the first sun maybe? This feels like a stretch lol

[tawdry lintel]

thats one of the execeptions i think, and said by DE

[stiff fable]

Also I think it's worth pointing out that the Zariman was coming out of the Void while the labs seem to be sinking deeper into it

[fast dew]

These stupid things, on Lyon's skin

[restive river]

The whole one in a void bubble is how the universe adapts to them iirc

[stiff fable]

those are definitely not supposed to be accurate representations

[marble pewter]

Oh thank you! I saw these but never close up

[tawdry lintel]

guy on horse looks like arthur

whats his say btw?

[restive river]

Who’s the fox guy

[iron tiger]

Hmmm so I’m guessing that the glitching may have been their universe calling to them or something along those lines. I’m not sure what else if that’s an exception

[stiff fable]

Though I tell you what, Arthur does say that he thinks Albrecht's been seeding all of history with protoframes

[fast dew]

"Second son"

[restive river]

And he was kinda right

[strange plinth]

i love how its ???, ???, Literally Arthur, Literally Loid

[stiff fable]

So KING Arthur being an Excalibur proto?

[restive river]

Could it be sun instead of son?

[fast dew]

No clue, but it says "reflection"

[iron tiger]

The whole one?

[tawdry lintel]

maybe it could be refering to albrecht?

[restive river]

Hm.

[stiff fable]

With his trusty advisor "Merlinus"....

[marble pewter]

Wait let me take out the alphabet lol

[iron tiger]

Yo that’s literally Jesus

[stiff fable]

hrmmm

[restive river]

Ok i actually have no idea what my autocorrect did there im sorry
My point is the universe adapts by having one in a void bubble, watching the other

[solar salmon]

He lies dead in peaceful avalon- WRONG he's a giant dude homoerotically looking into another giant dudes eyes in a giant skull orbiting a giant infested planet

[stiff fable]

Small note. Sol has seven stars under his portrait, while Lua has seven rays under hers.

[restive river]

Isn’t 7 the “holy” number?

[iron tiger]

I’m guessing the other 3 are the angel Michael, Virgin Mary and the father?

[stiff fable]

The Orokin hijacked Dualism symbology when they set themselves up--the Orokin Emperors are SOL and LUA

Bet you now

[solar salmon]

I think they lowk rejected religion reddit style but maybe

[stiff fable]

that came later

[restive river]

And then they abandoned it further for the vain faith, renouncing gods

“No god above knowledge” and all that

[stiff fable]

The Orokin when they first took over used Dualism as their claim to power

Even now a bunch of their imagery calls back to it, but it's just imagery without the religious trappings

[fast dew]

The concept of Loid being so dear to Albrecht he makes this mf into a religious icon

[solar salmon]

And they were roommates

[fast dew]

Reckon Euleria knew?

[solar salmon]

Probably

[fast dew]

Grandmother definitely knew.

[iron tiger]

Idolatry

[restive river]

Why would she aside from being sneaky
Or is that it

[fast dew]

She just knows things... old woman premonitions are real

[iron tiger]

So what’s the translation on these

[restive river]

Lmao
So yeah she just sneaky

[fast dew]

Tldr she has a giga strong gaydar and clocked Loid IMMEDIATELY

[restive river]

I hope we get more grandmother beyond naberous

Imagine a quest with every Entrati

[stiff fable]

That would make a ton of sense tbh

[restive river]

Omg
She’s sapphic-

[fast dew]

Reflection, none for the nun lookin lady, Second son for Arthur, first son for Loid

[fast dew]

YES

[solar salmon]

I doubt Albrecht had to be all that discrete abt it I think having concubines or whatever was normal if you're having statues of you built around a solar system spanning empire

[restive river]

IT ALL MAKES SENSE

[fast dew]

Sapphic grandmother... her and dagath frfr

[stiff fable]

problem is Grandmother's already involved in Waverider

[pine orchid]

Grandmother would be like "Darling with those shoes? Clocked you immediately" Legally Blonde style

[kindred barn]

Is it explained why we see no Necramechs during old peace?

[stiff fable]

Doesn't she narrate the comic?

[solar salmon]

Loid probably can't bear facing them again being the last one to ever see Albrecht and literally helping him in disappearing tho

[restive river]

No thats the kid

[iron tiger]

If real loid is gay does that mean cephalon loud is gay too

[stiff fable]

The Necramechs were already obsoleted

[restive river]

She buys the vents

[strange plinth]

at the very end
she's not super involved

[restive river]

They are loud and gay yes

[solar salmon]

No he's bipolar or something

[fast dew]

Deadass tho Loid's shoes look so queer. Half inch heels OKAY I SEE YOU LOID

[stiff fable]

Cephalon Loid mentions he finds the whole emotional response thing stupid

[kindred barn]

You would think the Rebels would be fielding them since warframes are a "loyalist" unit

[restive river]

Necraloid and Otak
Old
Married
Couple

[stiff fable]

And the Loid needs to get over himse--

[marble pewter]

Okay so this one says “First Son” or “Sun”

[solar salmon]

Man's got a boob window he's showing cleavage

[stiff fable]

Okay you know what yes you're absolutely correct

[iron tiger]

Ngl I prefer necraloid over loid

[stiff fable]

man now I feel robbed

[restive river]

I like them both

[stiff fable]

Loid is a queen in every way

[fast dew]

Its what happens when you get heart broken by a orokin. You gain a boob window.

[stiff fable]

The bad, but also the good

[fast dew]

Absolute DIVA.

[restive river]

They would have been trashed as soldiers early on so maybe not

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/a-queen-gotta-do-what-a-queen-gotta-do-rupaul-rupaul's-drag-race-all-stars-just-queen-things-it-has-to-be-done-gif-4571511829070567963

[iron tiger]

Loid is too British lookin, he looks like he eats beans with bread

[solar salmon]

Warframe au but loid is mother

[restive river]

Someone recreate this but Loid

[fast dew]

Loid sitting there watching drag race on VHS while eating a whole 3 litre tub of icecream (sobbing into it)

[restive river]

Bro is
Just a butler

[restive river]

Albrecht got it for him as a gift while time travelling around the timeline

[fast dew]

Idek if any season of drag race was om VHS but let's pretend it is

[solar salmon]

Speaking of how does Steve elaborating on the omegaverse factor into warframe lore

[restive river]

In the warframe universe it is!

[fast dew]

Loid is MOTHER. Not mother smh

[restive river]

Did he talk about that what
And why do I keep hearing about that, this is the third time in three days 😭

[fast dew]

MOTHER ✨ not Mother

[pine orchid]

I LITERALLY just saw the clip on youtube lmaooo

[fast dew]

Thats how Euleria was born don't you know

Loid got Albrecht pregnant

[solar salmon]

I can't lie I was instigating that in the stream comments on YouTube cuz I knew he had the YouTube chat up

😭

[marble pewter]

Talking about Mothers. Grandmother definitely knows what’s happening in the basement

[restive river]

LMAO
Didn’t Rebb want him on tumblr and ao3?

[strange plinth]

devshort moment i'm afraid

[solar salmon]

YEAH

[fast dew]

This is entirely possible too, if Albrecht chose a female yuvan

[stiff fable]

Mostly a threat to make Reb and Megan get off his back.

.....but those Loka types? Yeah. Yeah.

[restive river]

I love how chaotic the devshorts are
It’s
Literally just a tiny devstream

[pine orchid]

I got whiplash seeing omegaverse so casually mentioned

[restive river]

Go back and look at old devstream recaps
The devs have always been goofy

[tawdry lintel]

has anyone found roathes memories btw?
the wiki mentions some memory fragments

[stiff fable]

also Steve knowing what omegaverse is tells me he ALREADY has an AO3 account

[restive river]

I keep seeing it everywhere I go help me

[pine orchid]

not as big as seeing hideo kojima retweet mpreg art but still.... 🤣

[iron tiger]

Oh my god I didn’t even think about that, that’s kinda gross to think about actually

[stiff fable]

it's just running Descendia

[strange plinth]

i still can't believe they shot garuda lore dead, live on the devshort

[iron tiger]

Yuvan are stolen bodies 🤮

[pine orchid]

sorry I cant help you I'm also deep in the mires 😂

[tawdry lintel]

they logged in the codex?

[stiff fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYIb-acZwk4

[restive river]

I can resurrect her
With kuva
And dead sentient bits
And hopes and dreams

[tawdry lintel]

his face could make a new meme

[stiff fable]

man, Drag Race and The OC in one convo

[restive river]

And murder!

[fast dew]

Woe Mpreg be canon upon ye

[stiff fable]

Lore chat is spicy today

[marble pewter]

The voice chats you get after defeating Roathe are the memories

[tawdry lintel]

ah

[stiff fable]

genderbent Stalker mpreg

[restive river]

Maybe we should move on from the omegaverse stuff lol

I feel it may not be appropriate

[stiff fable]

inb4 cutoff yessss

anyway

[restive river]

Lore!

[solar salmon]

So yeah the crimes of the orokin empire

[restive river]

All of the crimes

[pine orchid]

do you think roathe would have rubber duckies

[restive river]

Like probably literally all of them

[restive river]

Hazbin hotel

[stiff fable]

I asked last week if we had any easter eggs yet and I think the cards on Lyon's robes might be it

[tawdry lintel]

probably pampers his demons when no ones looking

[pine orchid]

he'd probably find them preferable company to Marie and Lyon

[stiff fable]

because they look a ton like tarot cards, which were big in the late pre-modern era

[pine orchid]

I'd love to see this, someone put Voruna's idle animation on Uriel XD

[iron tiger]

Yo but tell me why teshin’s crib was in a grineer asteroid base

[solar salmon]

Do u think he gets PTSD when a legion of uriel frames pop up to talk to him

[stiff fable]

it's free real estate

[tawdry lintel]

i wonder which of the three are his fav

[marble pewter]

It’s kind of hilarious if you think about it though—

Roathe: “Let me send a quick voice chat to Drifter”

[stiff fable]

As long as you shoot enough Grineer

[restive river]

I think he might hate them more
It’s a coinflip tbh

[solar salmon]

Hes like mihawk he squats in random places and rides around in a level one sloop

[restive river]

Roathe liking musical theater goes crazy

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/just-killing-some-time-mihawk-steven-john-ward-one-piece-just-passing-time-gif-13868256940931407818

Live action OP had no right to be as good as it was

[solar salmon]

He doesn't paint his swords gold tho those are real orokin weapons

[marble pewter]

True

[tawdry lintel]

didn't his base show his landing craft?

[stiff fable]

yeah it was a nice touch

[tawdry lintel]

what was it again?

[iron tiger]

It’s kinda crazy that before his awakening he was unaffiliated or even our enemy, makes me wonder how many more Dax/orokin survived and are still out there

[pine orchid]

the real question is how did Teshin survive so long since the Old War

[stiff fable]

Mantis iirc

[solar salmon]

Orokin most likely not many cuz they're away from the general population and their goings would be easily to track for tenno killing them systematically

There's prolly a whole load of dax tho

[iron tiger]

He seemed skilled enough to be a mid-high tier fighter but not high enough as to be a target

[pine orchid]

yeah, but most people don't tend to survive a thousand years passing-

[solar salmon]

He was probably a higher level guardian considering the elemental stuff he can do

[iron tiger]

The anarch forces have a lot of Dax. There’s probably a whole system with Dax

[stiff fable]

Almost certainly he was asleep for most of the interstitium

similar to Varzia

[solar salmon]

Maybe a bodyguard

[stiff fable]

though it's implied Varzia was asleep on Lua

[iron tiger]

In warframe people have extended longevity centuries, to the point where the memories have to be stored elsewhere to make space

[iron tiger]

And thus we have ayatans

[solar salmon]

My headcanon is considering his relation to us he most likely taught dax

[tawdry lintel]

based off the enemies, teshin and Varzia were most likely Dax Gladius

[solar salmon]

And the tenno

[marble pewter]

Who put him and Varzia to sleep?

Or did they just know

[solar salmon]

I mean who wouldn't take a big nap after their whole life gets upended

[stiff fable]

Varzia seems to have been caught in stasis when the Lotus shoved the moon into the Void

[pine orchid]

that's usually the orokin though, and dax are not orokin

[stiff fable]

Teshin, we don't know

[marble pewter]

Lol got a point there

[iron tiger]

Even Darvo is like what 300-400 years old and is considered a mere adolescent

[pine orchid]

Teshin just shows up one day XD

[marble pewter]

Oh interesting

[iron tiger]

Nope

[solar salmon]

Teshin has to be one of those honored dax the way umbra was

[stiff fable]

Average lifespan has increased for everyone, but the Orokin get infinite extra lives on top of that

[solar salmon]

Having ballas' mark and whatever

[stiff fable]

oh man the Diadem

[iron tiger]

They also can survive certain wounds like being cut in half

Very imperfect immortality

[stiff fable]

you know, in retrospect? Umbra was probably Ballas's fallback weapon against the Sentients when they inevitably betrayed each other

[solar salmon]

Yeah exactly I saw that description and went ooh lore

[pine orchid]

I dont remember Darvo's age ever being mentioned-

[restive river]

Wasn’t he not in stasis? That’s how he found the thornback, no?

[pine orchid]

though I dont exactly visit darvo deals much

[iron tiger]

Wait…

[stiff fable]

Not the whole duration, he's been awake probably for decades

[marble pewter]

I feel like Lotus was involved and Teshin disagreed probably but now he’s here

[stiff fable]

if not a few centuries

[restive river]

Sorry Thornbak

“A sturdy burst-rifle of considerable age and unknown origin collected by Teshin during his many years wandering the Origin System.”

[iron tiger]

Your on to something

[restive river]

Ye you’re probably right
Do we have anything saying he was in stasis? It’d make sense but I wanna check

[stiff fable]

no nothing

[restive river]

Dang

[stiff fable]

But dax don't live for thousands of years

Hundreds, easily, I'm sure

[restive river]

This makes sense
His mods
His howl
It adds up

[stiff fable]

Right exactly!

[solar salmon]

Also would not be crazy to say teshin most likely was young and wandered the origin system as a Ronin, where he gained the respect he gets in the relays and such and it's thru his modding knowledge that he has the elemental sword stuff

[iron tiger]

iirc a Kim dialogue states that 1999 is a far back in time from us as La cathedrale is from xx99

[solar salmon]

Most likely came from a dax family considering the sacrifice and the caste system as a concept

[iron tiger]

So we don’t know if 1000 years+++ lifespan is possible

[restive river]

A ghost about Teshin’s past (or even a whole other game) in the origin system would be cool

[pine orchid]

I can believe future humans living for several centuries I suppose, like how we live at least twice as long as ppl in ancient times kinda thing

[marble pewter]

Talking about Umbra..I want to rewatch all quest cutscenes…Knowing what we know now

[restive river]

Orokin and Cephalons being the exception
And technically Drifter but that’s a timeloop so eh

[iron tiger]

Idk where we got it from originally but ever since I’ve been interested in warframe lore it’s been said to take place 1000 years in the future atleast

[stiff fable]

Hunhow gives Erra crap over being a new Dax for Ballas, but Ballas's original plan was actual Warframe Dax

except, as usual, Orokin terrible-ness

[pine orchid]

present day is 1000 years since Old War aka Tenno killed the Orokin War

[restive river]

Oh it’s at least like 10,000 years iirc

[solar salmon]

The process turning the dax crazy was an inconvenience but when it came to umbra for ballas it was a feature sadly

[iron tiger]

The indifference is the only eternal we know of

Or atleast he’s the most likely only immortal

[marble pewter]

Which Roathe says || it’s only been a few years for him and so he knows it as the Great War ||

[restive river]

Not really
We don’t actually know if he existed prior to Albrecht or not or even in what capacity
Or if he’s even actually immortal

[pine orchid]

the indifference is quite young for an eternal probably not even as old as the earth Xd

[arctic vigil]

Is... Dagath NOT Entrati's wife??? I thought Grandma was his wife that he abandoned for Loid, Marie dialogue suggests otherwise? Or Grandmother is just Father's mom and I have somehow missed something..?

[iron tiger]

Roathe says something about that it existed before albrecht but albrecht gave it shape

[solar salmon]

I mean Albrecht working hard at making him retroactively access all of history

[restive river]

No, Grandmother is not Albrecht’s ex
Grandmother is Vilcor’s mother

[iron tiger]

Stranger things ahhh storyline

[pine orchid]

Grandmother/Dagath is Albrecht's in law

[arctic vigil]

I've been wondering why Entrati was cheating on his wife for years, good lord.

[main crane]

But it was us who said that and Roathe told us we're stupid in some sense.

[marble pewter]

Wait it’s been 10,000 years?

[restive river]

Yeah so we don’t know in what capacity it existed prior
It could have been like how we are made of stardust for all we know

[arctic vigil]

Hex comics suggests between 10k-20k years

[pine orchid]

Ticker is the true eternal clearly Xd

[iron tiger]

Yeah ducky where’d you get that from

Everyone I’ve met says 1,000

[marble pewter]

And Roathe says it’s been a few years for him..

[solar salmon]

My guess is that it was a placid lake and then Albrecht dropped a huge boulder, creating thrashing waters and also humanized it and then gave it trauma

[restive river]

Yup, according to Entrati

[solar salmon]

The energy was always there the personalization wasn't

[iron tiger]

Where in game?

[pine orchid]

I cant believe Albrecht personified the void just to give it trauma /j

[restive river]

It says ten thousand years so
And Albrecht left during the Old War so it hasn’t been that long since

[solar salmon]

He was so scared of seeing himself he traumatized the poor thing...

Stinky man

[restive river]

In the comic ELKA just posted

[marble pewter]

Oh thanks for the image, didn’t catch that detail in the comic

[restive river]

I was about to grab it too lol

[solar salmon]

At that point in his life there was nothing Albrecht hated more than himself which probably contributed to the emotional backlash the void gave also

[marble pewter]

It’s okay thanks for clarifying tho

[arctic vigil]

Are we not talking about present day Warframe or something else

[pine orchid]

1,000 was the time from Old War to when our Tenno woke up
10,000 is the projection of how long into the future compared to us rn the game is set

[arctic vigil]

Replies to replies confuzzle me

[arctic vigil]

This

[iron tiger]

Ok this is starting to make sense

[marble pewter]

Yea

[restive river]

We don’t have an exact year fyi, estimations but we don’t really know specifics

[iron tiger]

Damn and there was the smargdine age, the era of despots and the great unraveling to name a few

[restive river]

The 1999 tennocon demo even touches on the fact it’s meant to be an unknown, to an extent, amount of time

[iron tiger]

Just in those 1,000 years

[solar salmon]

I honestly thought it was really far into the future with the orokin dying with the sun being a concern

[thick yacht]

This is why we needed Roathe

The system utterly collapsed without the Orokin

[arctic vigil]

10,000 years is enough of a span to give them leeway on the terraformed planets, I think it's a generous estimate at least because I doubt they were doing that 2000 or 3000 years after 1999

[thick yacht]

Just chaos

[iron tiger]

There was also the eras for the relics which my guess would be that lith-axi is oldest-newest

[restive river]

They were bored and knew it was coming

[thick yacht]

Also we don’t know how long Ballas ruled the system

[restive river]

We also have to remember there were 18 radiation wars at some point, the first maybe starting in 1999

[iron tiger]

Lith was probably near the old war in terms of where it started considering we know the orokin downgraded their tech to prevent latching from sentients

[arctic vigil]

Assuming everyone we knew prior is about the same age, it couldn't have been very long.

[restive river]

At most probably a year

[solar salmon]

Honestly with the immortal view of its literally gonna happen anyways and the sun dying ideally won't be a blip of your existence I see why it was an issue that was tackled early on

[stiff fable]

I'd give him 18 months

[marble pewter]

Was that mentioned somewhere?

[restive river]

The new war is meant to make you think its been longer but
It hasn’t

[thick yacht]

A year seems way too short for how the entire system was conquered and installed with Narmer items

[restive river]

Yeah, zariman logs in duviri
I can grab it if you want

[stiff fable]

But also if EVERYONE'S aging is slowed, could be 10. But yeah I doubt it, 6-18 months

[thick yacht]

There’s a giant ballas head on Venus

[solar salmon]

They prolly just wanted to suck resources out from a new system tho

[arctic vigil]

The Orokins greatest fumble was neglecting to make a Dyson sphere 🙏

[marble pewter]

Oh yes I’d love that

[restive river]

The veils, yeah maybe that’s an underestimate

[solar salmon]

I think those aren't pretty enough for them

[restive river]

That’s literally not physically possible to make in our solar system

[arctic vigil]

I was jokingggg

[restive river]

It’s a sad reality

We can never imprison the sun

[solar salmon]

Maybe if they slapped marble and gold on a Dyson sphere they'd attempt it

[thick yacht]

Orokin weren’t a Type II civilization

They were late Type I at best

[stiff fable]

eh, the Void provided infinite energy anyway

[marble pewter]

“The power of the sun in the palm of my hand”

[restive river]

[In the Archarbor Enigma chamber]

1. What event concluded the Eighteenth Radiation War?

A. The destruction of the Arctic Hive Cluster (correct)

B. The assassination of Marcellus Ambrosius Lephantis

[iron tiger]

Bruh you could power humanity for the next billion years with just 1 year of 1% of the suns output what would you even do

[marble pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/otto-octavius-dr-octavius-octavius-otto-marvel-gif-24194632

[restive river]

Better dyson sphere
Zero drawbacks
Except all those drawbacks

[arctic vigil]

Finally charge my phone

[solar salmon]

We do got a frame that opens portals to the sun no?

[arctic vigil]

Wisp

[solar salmon]

Harnessing that type of energy has to be harder than just aiming it somewhere tho

[restive river]

And a frame that technically opens void rifts
Xaku

And whatever Limbo is doing with the veil

[arctic vigil]

It's just a reeeeaaally big solar panel

And thermal stuff

[iron tiger]

That ability is so bad but it makes sense because the sun isn’t actually all that hot

Nukes reach hotter temperatures

[marble pewter]

Ohh it was from those quizzes. Okay cool but concerning there were 18 radiation wars

[stiff fable]

also if she did open a portal to the sun she'd incinerate everything around her

[solar salmon]

Its just consistently hot like a really big pizza oven

[tawdry lintel]

im reading the Tau arg, and i just though, what if there's some tenno still back in tau?

[restive river]

Very!

[iron tiger]

It’s probably just solar wind

[stiff fable]

Yes I like that

[restive river]

||The one in the arg was glassed||

[stiff fable]

Much more flavorful

[iron tiger]

iirc the suns atmosphere is actually hotter than the surface

[solar salmon]

The tenno trapped in those eggs fertilize the land with soul flowers

[stiff fable]

I actually imagine there ARE Tenno remnants on Tau

[tawdry lintel]

wheres it say that?

[arctic vigil]

I'd consider a constant 5,000c still hot

[tawdry lintel]

what about the one who sent the emails?

[stiff fable]

.....just like, Harrow style, where they set up factions and died of old age

[iron tiger]

Nahh

[restive river]

It’s inferred, I don’t recall exactly but I recall it to be

[stiff fable]

oh, yes

Get THE TRUTH and the final message

[arctic vigil]

Me entering a "warm shower"

[stiff fable]

They were used for a training exercise

[arctic vigil]

I really hope we beat the indifference with the power of friendship by the way, all roads lead to that trope so far.

Please God it would be so funny

[iron tiger]

Tau probably has atleast 2 factions with a third one being possible

[stiff fable]

"The power of friendship has failed, now I will defeat the Indifference with the power of incredible violence and the arsenal I've been building all game"

[solar salmon]

We gotta bring the indifference back to konoha believe it

[arctic vigil]

We just making stuff up now

[iron tiger]

Anarch, sentients and maybe a orokin or Tenno remnant

[tawdry lintel]

"It's gone now. Along with the bomb. Along with the egg. Along with my friends… But even that was too dignified a death. The Orokin had to peel our skin and suck up the meat inside. Our last moments together, crystallized for a training module. Propaganda.

They pissed on our graves, so I'm returning the favor. Some small part of their story will live on here, in the cracked glass and data where I've poured a bit of our blood and tears. Someone will remember us. You will remember us. You have to. I'm sending you a little something to make sure of it. You should find it in your communications inbox."

kinda seems like they were turned into cephalons perhaps? or that their minds exist digitally

[iron tiger]

No we already have seen a lot from tau

[arctic vigil]

Tau will be a singular node in the star chart with like five game mode missions and you're gonna like it /s

[marble pewter]

If Roathe is allowed to voice chat, we should get voice chats from Cavia. That’d be fun

[stiff fable]

I'm fairly certain that all the extant factions are dead and gone

[iron tiger]

It’s an inference not imagination

[pine orchid]

imagine we get to tau and it's just grineer and sentients living side by side maybe some consenting amalgams

[stiff fable]

Modern Tau is probably in a mad max situation

With like, one single enclave of still-friendly sentients

[solar salmon]

There's probably some orokin executor that's got a monopoly on the flowers with sentient slavery running rampant I can't lie

Chris orokolumbus

[stiff fable]

hmm friendly is the wrong word

[arctic vigil]

I really hope it's a second star chart, they've had all the time in the world and pretty much a bottomless pit of creativity to work with since they can make new planets up.

[stiff fable]

Independent, there

[restive river]

Thank you
And yes thats what glassing is

[iron tiger]

A post apocalyptic solar system is such a cool concept

[stiff fable]

technically that's the Origin system

[iron tiger]

Not really

[tawdry lintel]

what about the sentients?
all the sentient leaders (hunhow, pragahsa, Lotus, Erra, Archons) are all in the orogin system
so are the sentients there just docile or inert from not receiving order?

[stiff fable]

No it is, the issue is that we were the apocalypse

[arctic vigil]

Pretty sure there's a ton more

[iron tiger]

Getting rid of the orokin was would be like getting rid of the US and China and Europe irl

Enough to rewrite politics and trade but not enough to trigger an apocalypse

[stiff fable]

more like, EVERY governing body, EVERY NGO, EVERY corporation

And leaving one group of mercenaries and a grocery store chain standing

[tawdry lintel]

"If you're not: congrats! You found our little hidey-hole. More like a headstone, really. Maybe mine, by the time you're reading this, but definitely theirs. My friends. My squadmates. The other Tenno our "golden masters" sent to die in that forsaken tarpit."

the first part makes me thing the person who sent the messages may still be alive.

[solar salmon]

Aldi's got shooters

Parvos loved it

[stiff fable]

pft

[marble pewter]

Didn’t Hunhow mention that along with the sentients he wanted to protect Tau

[stiff fable]

By exterminating humanity

[arctic vigil]

The killing of the Orokin was just THE Orokin, the lower castes survived I.E: all of lower humanity, the grineer, the corpus, etc

[iron tiger]

We can assume they’re forces were much larger than what we see, the sentients destroyed the solar rail at the outer terminus leaving us and them stranded

[restive river]

Cephalons can send things

[stiff fable]

Like I said, Tau's probably in bad shape

[iron tiger]

But do solar rails need to be doubled ended?

[solar salmon]

What's the chance of one of the smaller planets or even just a moon being entirely sentient

[pine orchid]

we are getting this 1000 years ish after the fact though so... idk might be a slim chance of it
Id love to see more canon npc Tenno tho tbh

[iron tiger]

Like if I tried using one without another where would it take me?

[stiff fable]

has to be active on both sides

[arctic vigil]

Road off a cliff

[stiff fable]

This is probably Pazuul's big plan

[tawdry lintel]

they say they are about to die/don't have that much time left
either damaged warframe or maybe damaged cephalon

[iron tiger]

I mean Deimos exists

[stiff fable]

Rebuild the Rail

[restive river]

I’d even take a cephalon tenno
Anything DE

[stiff fable]

The one downside is that Tau's been silent since the Old War

[tawdry lintel]

lotus did say he hoarding a lot of resources during archon hunts

[stiff fable]

No activity

[iron tiger]

Yoooo a solar rail tileset finally we see one after like 10 years 😭

[arctic vigil]

We have seen one.

[restive river]

Maybe yeah
Whoever they were they’re likely gone

[iron tiger]

We see one again*

[arctic vigil]

Orokin Lab in the Dojo, clans used to fight for control over the solar rails

[stiff fable]

that'd be awesome yeah

[strange plinth]

i mean, there's the tenno from the interactive that sure implied they were a cephalon, or something like one, now

[solar salmon]

Maybe the beast of bones quest that will never happen

I'm not crying you're crying

[stiff fable]

they're considering Beast of Bone content

[restive river]

That’s what I’ve been talking about lol

[tawdry lintel]

speaking of which does their voice sound familiar?

[iron tiger]

I hope we see black orokin architecture. The solar rails were black I think?

[restive river]

He wasn’t a tenno

[strange plinth]

ah, wasn't paying attention to this chat for a bit lol

[restive river]

Kinda but I can’t place it

[arctic vigil]

Ordan was a normal human assassin

[iron tiger]

Black and yellow, black and yellow!!!

[thick yacht]

Beast of Bones vs Devil of Tau

[restive river]

I also just want one in game

[thick yacht]

Who has the better title

[restive river]

Better title?
Now that’s tough

[arctic vigil]

Both sound like Tumblr Mary Sues

[solar salmon]

Beast of bones Imo devil of tau seems iterative off of void devil even tho that prolly came later

In universe at least

[tawdry lintel]

Devil of Tau kinda sounds better

[restive river]

You mean mara lohk?

[thick yacht]

[stiff fable]

Ordan was the Beast of Bone because he had these tusks shoved into his neck

that he could use as holdout weapons

Oh actually that reminds me, Reb and Megan mentioned in an interview that they'd have Railjack news in 2026

[pine orchid]

I think Beast of Bones sounds more metal

[stiff fable]

so, solar rail defense as a railjack node?

[tawdry lintel]

also should the tau arg, and Charge of Mercator's Gullet, be considered an actualy part of Tau's history?

[solar salmon]

Honestly I don't think it pops up specifically as void devils but ballas flirts around calling us that multiple times

[stiff fable]

it's really more part of the Perita Rebellion

[solar salmon]

Void devilry, send the devil back to hell and such

[tawdry lintel]

did it happen during th old peace with the anarchs?

[stiff fable]

Less the overall history of Tau

[strange plinth]

unless given information otherwise, yea, i think so

[solar salmon]

Devil of tau seems less impressive as a title when we got first dibs in story to be the devils

[stiff fable]

For us as players, yes

But I like the idea of Roathe being a boogeyman for the Sentients

like, they catch Uriel Warframes and crucify them as a warning to the rest

[iron tiger]

Wait what is Mercators gullet again?

[stiff fable]

The battlefield described in the Tau ARG

[iron tiger]

Umbra is the boogeyman

[stiff fable]

There was a World-Seed at the bottom that had the "special radiation"

[stiff fable]

They don't know he exists, sadly.

[iron tiger]

Anti-entropic or tau

[strange plinth]

umbra wasn't even made until late in the war

[tawdry lintel]

wonder how bad the Uriels where
we only got info from Adis and a short excerpt from roathe

[stiff fable]

Uriel meanwhile is a monster they hunt

[iron tiger]

It has to be one of those

[strange plinth]

prolly neither

it trapped the tenno in their frames

[iron tiger]

Though generally people believe tau is the more massive electron

[stiff fable]

The archons (shards) are anti-entropic

[solar salmon]

And we use them

[iron tiger]

But electrons are beta particles are they not?

[stiff fable]

Umbra is something built to fight Sentients specifically

through resetting their adaptations without direct Void powers

Man the more I look at it the more obvious it is

[solar salmon]

If it's void energy that made sentients barren, and the radiation basically disables your control over void energy

And locks you in a meat suit

[iron tiger]

Wait that’s actually mad spooky

[stiff fable]

He was tortured in the way he was so he would function without an Operator

[solar salmon]

Maybe it was supposed to be a tool of the orokin to get cooperation out of the sentients

[iron tiger]

We’ve never seen that before, only the opposite is common

[stiff fable]

It's not, it's definitely something else

Becaue the World Seeder was storing/creating it

[strange plinth]

was it? i thought the world seeder just landed on an anomaly producing it

[stiff fable]

The Truth section mentions it was moved

which makes me think it was the source

[iron tiger]

That sounds really scary 😨

[solar salmon]

I meant it's not void energy more that it wasn't naturally occurring radiation and it was there on purpose made by the orokin

[strange plinth]

i don't remember this, hold on
is the site still available?

[solar salmon]

Something with anti void properties

Or disruptive enough it prevents control

[iron tiger]

Anti-void is mentioned by Albrecht actually. But why would it be in tau of all places

[solar salmon]

Why would it be near the orokins infrastructure when they can send it off somewhere where it won't shut down their ships

[stiff fable]

same reason the flowers made the Sentients want to be human

Babblefish situation

It's TOO convenient to be natural, someone has to have made it

[solar salmon]

Exactly

[iron tiger]

This is the scariest piece of warframe lore you guys have ever theorized about. I’m actually so intrigued though

What if it was pre-orokin humans? Or perhaps some who made the jump to tau on their own

[azure jasper]

If someone made it, then perhaps it can be remade.

[strange plinth]

ah wiki has it anyway
it doesn't say that its moved, though?
"They didn't tell us the big egg had fallen on a natural anomaly: a special kind of radiation that only occurs in one spot. At least I hope. That's why they wanted us down there. That's why they released the gas and blamed it on their enemies. Couldn't have anyone knowing the truth--that there was something in this universe that could seal an Operator inside their Warframe. Permanently.
It's gone now. Along with the bomb. Along with the egg. Along with my friends..."
there's a little implication there that it was made rather than being found but i'm not sure how much i'd invest in that

[stiff fable]

"It's gone now"

[strange plinth]

yea because they blew it up?

[stiff fable]

that wasn't the vibe I got

Because their friends were recycled into the training program, no?

[iron tiger]

Oh hell nahh that is terrifying

[solar salmon]

A type of radiation that seems engineered specifically to benefit sentients/ruin tenno, a frame related to Albrechts labs thats entirely made to handle radiation, flowers that exist in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no other sign of alien life plant or animal

[lean garden]

I mean, along with the bomb and the egg. Along with my friends leaves very little room for interpretation

[solar salmon]

It stinks of him messing with stuff

Or the orokin generally speaking

Theyre not above giving the sentients their individuality if it serves them better

[stiff fable]

Yeah, I think the Orokin engineered the flowers

[solar salmon]

Especially if they have control over how scarce the resource is

[strange plinth]

the last thing in the interactive is the whole thing shaking and you escaping, but everyone else not
the radiation, bomb, egg, and friends are gone lines up with an explosion

[iron tiger]

At what point?

[stiff fable]

Break apart the hivemind, then shatter their individuality to get them back as slaves

[azure jasper]

I could see Entrati being responsible. It fits with his theme of asking about forgiveness.

[stiff fable]

early in the Old War

[stiff fable]

Albrecht as far as we know stayed out of the Old War

[strange plinth]

entrati was probably too busy with 1999 and vessel shenanigans ngl

[stiff fable]

The forgiveness he's seeking is related to unleashing the Man in the Wall, with a side order of unleashing the Orokin on the rest of the universe

[iron tiger]

But Weren’t these flowers believed to be the first alien life? wouldn’t such a lie have to be something prepared for much earlier

And the xenoflora use some weird metallic goop instead of water

[solar salmon]

I flirted with the idea of the flowers being another way the man in the wall does another cavia style situation but they look way too ayatan like to me

[strange plinth]

the xenoflora are the first alien life, i believe
i'm not sure how the orokin would engineer them to give the sentients' individuality though
then again, why were the sentients eating the flowers to begin with

[solar salmon]

They specifically engineered the sentients to not have individuality no?

Theyre like bees squared

[strange plinth]

the sentients developed sentience, in general, on their own while travelling to tau
the orokin gave them code and not much else

[solar salmon]

Also them eating the flowers was most likely in the process of terraforming

[spice moth]

Adis in the old peace as soon as he(?) Noticed the betrayal

[strange plinth]

'he' is correct

[stiff fable]

they were, yes

[iron tiger]

The sentients have the oculysts and mimics I’d imagine they would have some sort of analysis tech for further adaptation

[stiff fable]

But they were discovered late into the Old War's first half

[main crane]

Where was this stated?

[iron tiger]

Dang so the old war started almost immediately as the sentients got to tau

[stiff fable]

During one of the first missions in Old Peace

[solar salmon]

They do kinda have a void like shimmery effect but the sentients are supposed to be weak to that stuff so I'm not sure if that's what the visual language intends

[stiff fable]

The Sentients were winning until the flowers were discovered

Even after the Operators were paired with the Warframes

[strange plinth]

sentients get to tau > they complete the solar rail > orokin head over to tau > sentients attack > old war starts

[iron tiger]

I notice DE reuses the void effect a lot in some places

Even on the sentient ships 😭

[solar salmon]

Yeah itd be better not to read into it like a dark souls loretuber

[iron tiger]

Just recolored

[stiff fable]

tbf it's a neat effect

huh now that I think about it, the grey pools on the Murexes are the same grey pools as on Tau aren't they

[solar salmon]

I like the litera whispers in the walls as a void effect a lot I hope we get more of that mess

[worn night]

does hiring railjack crew from opposing factions make any sense? wouldnt they sabotage the railjack?

[iron tiger]

It’s is, warframe does a very good job at artistic unity and distinction between factions

[main crane]

The Void made them sterile. They cannot replicate anymore, but they can still make fragments.

[iron tiger]

No

[stiff fable]

The factions might hate you but they know enough to stop at sending hate mail

[iron tiger]

Those pools are black and are wrinkly and look like molten plastic

[stiff fable]

Which is what specter killsquads are

[iron tiger]

The tau pools are metallic and smooth

Like gallium

[worn night]

haha

[stiff fable]

hmm

also FF1 red mage is an inspired avatar choice

[main crane]

That's how texturing works

[worn night]

I love the style

[solar salmon]

Alternatively the reason for the flowers existence is literal tenno corpses

They make flowers like the helminth warframes do perhaps

[stiff fable]

lol

oh man DE has the chance to do the absolute funniest thing

[solar salmon]

Fertilize the soil yknow

[stiff fable]

During the TAU quest, you get a bunch of grineer and dax descendants talking about Tenno, and how they're just a myth

And instead of rip and tearing them, you rip and tear the Sentients about to kill them

[iron tiger]

Nahh that doesn’t make sense tho the infested can survive in a lot of places

[solar salmon]

I can't lie during old peace I had trouble not slashing at the sentients that popped up on my screen

Its muscle memory atp

[main crane]

I straight up obliterated them once they stopped talking to each other💀

[stiff fable]

who didn't

[main crane]

"The Tenno threat is not real"

[strange plinth]

i have more trouble during the recall missions than i did during the quest, not sure why

[solar salmon]

Having a caliban on the team is like jingling keys in front of my face

[stiff fable]

The Nekros problem but worse

[strange plinth]

-# Four Caliban Primes vs Commandeered Caliban Prime

[main crane]

I keep firing at my own sentients as Caliban because I'm so blind

[stiff fable]

see you joke but I almost had that

[solar salmon]

My exalted blade literally cut them off mid convo it was so funny

[stiff fable]

so question, what is it you'd like to see in the echoes update

[solar salmon]

It was actually kinda sad how fast they died

[main crane]

I just stayed behind a wall and once they stopped talking, I blew one's head off with my Vinquibus.

Absolute cinema

[strange plinth]

i think it'd be funny as hell if kullervo could appear in the recall missions occasionally
its not realistic for them to add in the slightest, but its potentially lore-accurate

[solar salmon]

More umbra content ideally

[stiff fable]

Umbra can't happen in Perita, he's not built yet

also, for the umpteenth time, no Warframe has been story relevant past their introductory quest

Outside the starting trio

[solar salmon]

By echoes I thought you meant retroactively updating stuff from previous expansions

By that I meant I kinda just want the option to let umbra chill in the orbiter

[stiff fable]

Ah, no, the Echoes updates are... update expansions, I guess?

[main crane]

Sending Umbra in Perita Rebellion missions just feel so wrong lmao (I do that because he's cool)

[stiff fable]

Started with New War and the "Echoes of War" update

[solar salmon]

Ah ok echoes for the old peace specifically

[stiff fable]

The biggest one of these was Echoes of 1999, which got folded into the Temple update as Techrot Encore

[dark compass]

I assume we will get something like that for Old Peace as well?

[stiff fable]

Presumably

[solar salmon]

Honestly I know they don't wanna bring back excal prime and I respect that but I wouldn't mind an heirloom with an echoes of the old peace update

It feels thematically sound

[stiff fable]

Like, I'd want an expansion to the Dactolyst fight, being able to buy random stuff like potatoes from Marie

[solar salmon]

Outside of that more tower

I love the tower a lot

[stiff fable]

And being able to walk around Tauron Academy

[strange plinth]

true, though i believe vauban is already confirmed for the next heirloom

[dark compass]

Yes

[solar salmon]

Ooh can't wait to see that

[dark compass]

He gets a cool jacket

[stiff fable]

how do you feel about Supreme as a brand lol

[spice moth]

Adis as soon as he got angry

[solar salmon]

I would also love more old piece themed cosmetics and maybe more of that grineer gear we already have

[main crane]

The Dax shoulder armor looks sick

[solar salmon]

A primary would be cool I think we're missing that rn

Fully bedazzled old grineer gear yknow

[main crane]

Kahl and Clem but with Grineer Prime armor

[solar salmon]

If they do a themed nightwave like they did for 1999 I'd be very happy

[stiff fable]

ooooh

[dark compass]

That new shoulder armor is so funny

[solar salmon]

And I know it's a stretch but seeing more of the beasts that became the archons

[dark compass]

On some frames it fits perfectly and is worn correctly, on some it makes their arms twice as wide

[solar salmon]

Cuz we're missing three I'm p sure

[main crane]

Equip it with the female dax sleeves on Drifter. It's bugged and funny af

[strange plinth]

we saw Amar, but Boreal, Nira, and the Ram are missing, yes
not sure how they could be incorporated though

[stiff fable]

transmissions are always an option

[strange plinth]

oh as like. additional objectives maybe
adis pops in for some of them

[stiff fable]

come to think of it we still haven't seen the Lords of Tau

[strange plinth]

yea i could see that

[solar salmon]

Can we get tauron academy as a scene or something I'd like being able to revisit it

[strange plinth]

i think the Lords are a late old war thing?
or something pazuul completely made up idk

[stiff fable]

could be

[dark compass]

Sentient liches 🔥 🔥 🔥

(please hit me with a shovel)

[solar salmon]

All factions need liches its true

Gotta complete the pokedex

[dark compass]

It has to be very slow and deliberate

And only for big factions

[spice moth]

Arthur if he was Brazilian

[solar salmon]

They don't tell you this but erra made up his whole backstory to make you feel bad

And then let stalker borrow it

[stiff fable]

Sentient liches can happen, for actual Sentient weapons

[strange plinth]

of which there's like. 3
not including archon, amalgam, or eidolon
or quest weapons

[solar salmon]

Sentient ephemera ooh

Actually I'd rather sentient signas

Thatd be neat

[dark compass]

Floating sentient pieces of garbage

[solar salmon]

My frames head needs to look like the planet earth with a bunch of sentient star link satellites

[main crane]

Sentients floating over my head

That would be funny

[solar salmon]

A tiny and terrible hunhow to hang around my head

[main crane]

Perfect for the Great and Terrible honoria

[solar salmon]

5 if you count revenant weapons

[dark compass]

Their names are gonna be "whatever garbled mess+lyst"

[solar salmon]

Does he count as eidolon

[strange plinth]

yes

[solar salmon]

Yeah its quite literally 3

[stiff fable]

it's basically Venato/Prime and Basmu

Wait does Vadarya count as Sentient

[dark compass]

But you forgot... shedu

[stiff fable]

Technically a quest weapon

but we DID forget the Corpus hybrids

[dark compass]

:(

[strange plinth]

not in the same way nataruk, broken war, and war are though
shedu works

[stiff fable]

Ocucor, Batacor, Komorex

[strange plinth]

do those not fall under amalgam?

[dark compass]

There are amalgam and hijacked weapons

Amalgam are Cyanex and Komorex

Hijacked are Ocucor and Battacor

Hijacked weapons are straight up sentient parts with handles attached and no physical alterations

[stiff fable]

interesting

[solar salmon]

Imagine pulling up to battle shooting a guy with his cousins leg

And you put a switch on it

[strange plinth]

ocucor and battacor could have an adversary variant then

[dark compass]

Adversary ocucor

As if the default isn't strong enough already

[strange plinth]

ocucor is immediately disqualified, however, for being ocucor

[dark compass]

They'll just be legally distinct weapons

Like toxocyst and torxica

Tauforged coocucor

[stiff fable]

hahaha

[solar salmon]

Oh yeah they should defo add a rainbow of archon shards

Its time

HDR archon shards add all of em I love my jolly ranchers

[copper mountain]

OK so I do not have the time to do this right now (nor did I before) but thanks to Lyon and the captura scene he sells I have finally acquired some decent images of the book

So far most of the lines are coherent text, but they don't seem to flow into one another and also there are some weird words in there. May I direct your attention in particular to the second line of Page 2, which uses a completely different set of vowels for no reason. Fun!

I will eventually translate when I have the time; this is an open invitation to anyone with the willpower to steal my lunch

[fast dew]

I am so, so sorry to tell you but we've gotten it translated yesterday 😭

[pine orchid]

ayo? do you have a link to it? I'm curious what it says as well

[fast dew]

I do, but its from the orokin archives discord, so I'll dm it to you :)

[pine orchid]

understandable, I'd appreciate that thank you!

[fast dew]

This discord doesn't like it if it doesnt have warframe in the name lol

[copper mountain]

GIMME

Dm too pls :)

[fast dew]

Ight 😭

[pale cedar]

Join Orokin Archives server

[fast dew]

That too

Wait is that advertising

[pale cedar]

In a way

But that’s where it is

[fast dew]

The server is funny

We have a vc going on for like. A few hours now

[strange plinth]

just a few

[fast dew]

Just a few.

Its a bit long

[dark compass]

I should join orokin archives

[fast dew]

It is fun

[dark compass]

Last time I got expelled out of dark souls lore server for my affiliations

[copper mountain]

OK so what parts I did translate are accurate, including the indecipherable word in line 2

[mortal cedar]

I don't understand the prime vanguard. Like the chosen warframes had to mean something? Like Caliban and protea being the quote on quote bridges between the sentients and corpus, so where does the other warframes follow into the lore of the vanguard?

[main crane]

All Primes are Prime Vanguard. The ones we fight in Perita Rebellion were just unlucky Tenno who got taken by the Anarchs.

[mortal cedar]

ohhhh

[mortal cedar]

makes a little sense now you put it that way

[main crane]

I mean it's implied by Varzia when you speak to her in Maroo's bazaar

[dark compass]

Yeah, they are the result of ascaris being lodged into their backs

Like how it almost happened with us in Vor's prize

[pale cedar]

"Primes were reserved for the Prime Vanguard. The best of the best, and the rest... are adequate, I guess. If you're satisfied with merely adequate."

[pine orchid]

the amount of "-th" in the excerpts make me think they're like shakespearean(?) style verbs like "shaketh" or "tendeth" XD

[lean garden]

its reminiscent of biblical texts but I can confirm it's not from the bible

despite all the "dwelling of the Most High"

[pine orchid]

yeah, maybe it's excerpts from the Luminaries?
tried to google to see, but the google AI is trying to tell me it's a stanza from JRR Tolkien lmao

[lean garden]

LOL

[strange turtle]

Not to be confused with the Orokin saints, they’d be awful
Except maybe Gauss ig

But he’s just saint and not orokin so wouldn’t count anyway

Definitely, Stalkers codex said he saw them get killed

[strange turtle]

Not really? The project got scrapped, done in early even.

They wouldn’t have been fielded anymore even before the end of the old peace and they wouldn’t have the infrastructure. Wouldn’t just be left in storage on some Tau base either because it was a full “fleet”.

They’d also most likely need the support of the actual House behind the Necramechs, the Vortem, to actually know how to properly operate and maintain them, and they’d be aligned with Entrati, who seemed to have been and probably were on the non-anarch supporting side.

[austere summit]

A necramech and warframe is like a hrunting mark I and mjolnir mark IV suit

[stray herald]

what is the yuvan theatre?

[manic rover]

could "one of the insane ones" possibly refer to a Uriel?
Considering during this time Nitokh and Roathe have already revolted against the Orokin Empire and that they have an army of Uriels. It's not far fetched to think they have joined forces with the Anarchs?

[pale cedar]

Where you lose your body so the Orokin can live longer

[stray herald]

so is it like a physical place or a metaphorical or intangible place?

[pale cedar]

It actually existed

[manic rover]

it's somewhere close to the Circulus, Lua.

[pale cedar]

You visit one in War Within

[manic rover]

we do?

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[manic rover]

oh wait the flashback?

[pale cedar]

Teshin memory therapy thing

[manic rover]

the flashback yes

dont remember much from the war within

as it was squeezed between THe Second Dream and The Sacrifice I kinda rushed through it

[austere summit]

It's where people get paraded around and auctioned off to orokin looking for bodies to perform continuity on

Now that makes me wonder...when the ritual is done, does the new body morph into the orokin's visage, become some kind of hybrid, or just the original body housing a new pilot?

[dark compass]

The last option, otherwise there would've been no reason for an auction

They can easily alter the body afterwards

[manic rover]

I have a feeling the Grineer Queen wouldn't be able to do the continuity ritual on the tenno because of void shenanigans

[pale cedar]

She could

[dark compass]

That's what she tried to do and almost succeeded

[pale cedar]

Teshin just prevented it happening

[dark compass]

^

[austere summit]

I was gonna say, even if she succeeded, there's a non-zero chance she'd have a very personal introduction to The Man in The Wall because she hijacked the body of the person it made a deal with and inflicted a death of personality on them

[eternal sand]

What is a riven and how does a sliver of one give a common grunt great power?

I feel like it has to be crystalized kuva to give such might

[dark compass]

You use Kuva to cycle them so

Maybe there is some form of connection

[pale cedar]

She’d just become the new person under the deals contract

[uneven ferry]

Lore wise who is stronger drifter or operator?

[austere summit]

Physically, drifter. With powers it becomes murkier because they're the same besides Drifter's rewind

[pale cedar]

Ones a child and ones an adult
You do the logics

[manic rover]

Operator overall but the Drifter should be more powerful in warframe-less hand to hand combat

I firmly believe Drifter will be neg diffed by the operator if they were to fight with warframes

[pale cedar]

Nah

[dark compass]

Me

Drifter for physical combat, he got the entirety of duviri to get to that point

Operator is a more educated void power user

[manic rover]

Lowkey want to see them fight eachother and using your own warframes

[austere summit]

I'd have to agree with that part. Drifter never touched a warframe until Duviri just before he pops out into the origin system during New War while Operator is a long-time pro

[main crane]

Operator has more experience than the Drifter considering they studied in Tenno Schools. Drifter, on the other hand, is more experienced in hand to hand combat outside Warframes which makes them powerful and knowledgeable in Warframe combat as well.

[manic rover]

I can already see it. Drifter and Operator face eachother. Both of them get one of your own stored warframes (perhaps based on their playtime??). Operator has the upper hand but they are baited into going out of the warframe by the drifter in which case the Drifter prevails

and while the fight is happening, you keep switching POVs

[pale cedar]

Drifter being a better physical fighter is why they would win in a frame

[unique aspen]

How much of Tenno School does Operator actually remember, thinking about it?

[dark compass]

Enough to use tauron strikes now ig

[manic rover]

or they could do..

Pick a side
[A] Play as Operator [B] Play as Drifter
(cookie for anyone who gets the reference)

i really want to seem the fight

[dark compass]

Lego star wars the complete saga

[manic rover]

not what I had in mind
dammit are there more games with this trope

[dark compass]

I know what you're talking about

But you aren't getting it out of me

[manic rover]

there are 2 answers

[dark compass]

Transformers cybertron games as well

[austere summit]

I have a feeling they only remember the basics because of how much was repressed

[manic rover]

they just now found out they have DIVINE TREASURES

lowkey 175p for a pack of 150 of each resource is cheap

i might buy one for my third tauron

[unique aspen]

On the topic, I do find it funny how Sentients can't handle the Void, but also like all our Void-channeling weapons are Sentient parts. What's going on there.

[manic rover]

It would be cool if the Drifter had their own "school"
Call it the Drifter Insticts

[manic rover]

guns shooting bullets don't make them impervious to them

[opaque zenith]

The warframe jjk pipeline is a damn circle!
With this treasure I summon, Knowledge book

[dark compass]

Your body can conduct electricity too

[main crane]

The Void made them sterile

[dark compass]

Doesn't make it very good for your health

[manic rover]

the "divine treasure" trope doesnt originate from JJK

[unique aspen]

Yea, the fact it takes us so long to remember the Focus Schools even existed isn't a great sign there...

[dark compass]

JJK fans joining the club of jojo fans and berserk fans, everything is a reference to the only piece of japanese media they consumed

[pale cedar]

The Void only made them sterile specifically because of Praghasa shielding them

[opaque zenith]

Oh didn't knew that, enligthen me with the og source, then

[manic rover]

dont act like Warframe players don't force themselves whenever they hear "looter shooter" or "destiny 2"

[austere summit]

There's a difference between diving into an endless ocean of "poison" and having a stream of poison shoot out of a specific piece that isn't sentient but has sentient parts attached to it

[dark compass]

Idk the niche is not exactly crowded

[manic rover]

I mean, I heard the term first in Seven Deadly Sins. There isn't a particular source for it

[dark compass]

In case of warframe and destiny you don't really have much competition

Everyone else is dead or chinese

[manic rover]

Borderlands

[dark compass]

Borderlands, right

[manic rover]

but atp they have gatekept the new game behind PC REQUIREMENTS

[unique aspen]

Oh, is that so? Where is that talked about?

[dark compass]

I'm not sure Borderlands shares the community

[manic rover]

that is because its not live service

but it is a looter shooter

[dark compass]

See, my point still holds up

[manic rover]

oh also warframe players (IM NOT EXCLUDING MYSELF) will mention the game itself every time someone talks about monetization in games

[dark compass]

It's ok

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-pet-cat-cat-pet-cute-cat-gif-24810247

[manic rover]

which fair, it's been discredited because it's a "live service" games gotta correct them

but certainly not by me who spent like 200$ on the game

[dark compass]

Lavos deluxe and 70% off came to my wallet with a one-two combo

[austere summit]

Hunhow and Lotus mentioned no longer being able to have children because of void exposure when they used Praghasa to get back from Tau in the old war

[dark compass]

I believe in you Hunhow

[pale cedar]

It’s more shown than talked about

Praghasa wasn’t sterilised she became brain dead

Lotus after being thrown in became an Eidolon

[manic rover]

This is #lore-discussion , no need to hide spoilers.

[manic rover]

Eidolon are just dying Sentients no?

[pale cedar]

Yes

They’re ghosts

[dark compass]

Undead Sentients

[pale cedar]

Actually

More like zombies

[dark compass]

Yeah, whatever function is left in a partially destroyed shard of a larger now dead sentient

[pale cedar]

Praghasa took most of the damage when travelling back

[dark compass]

Purposeless but still shambling

[austere summit]

The tridolon trio are a good example

[pale cedar]

And Sentients were on her ship as she is the mothership

Void exposure can kill a Sentient

[austere summit]

Basically, Praghasa took the full brunt of the void so the sentient horde within her hull could survive the trip back to the origin system to continue the old war (and it still left them permanently sterile and her a lifeless husk)

[pale cedar]

Yes

[stray herald]

so what did roathe mean in his latest VM where he 'bled' in private

like did he cry himself to sleep or what?

ik bled is just a metaphor but I'm not wholly in the know of his currently unfolding history

in LIES voicemail

[glacial pendant]

Where is this mentioned? I don't think we ever got any info on what happened to Praghasa. Unless the Old Peace gave us some (I have only played the quest so far.)

[pale cedar]

Consider shes the mothership holding Sentients which means she is shielding them

Consider she’s not just infertile but braindead

[fast dew]

... huh..? Is this like. Doom the dark ages requiring raytracing bcs of how they do hitscan?

[narrow pendant]

is she saying nothing for you too in the dark refractory room

[hollow siren]

Yes, since that room seems meant to be inaccesible rn

[narrow pendant]

it got fixed seemingly

i can access it now

[hollow siren]

Has had actual walls and invisible walls changed over the recent hotfixes

[narrow pendant]

would be sick if we could access the modes for the sanctum with it, zariman style

[hollow siren]

well those are from the room behind Tagfer

[narrow pendant]

(and please just automatically switch us to drifter when entering the cathedral and revert the changes afterwards)

[hollow siren]

I do wish the dark refractory stuff was from this room tho

[pale cedar]

Operator should be let in considering the Operation email

[hollow siren]

yeah there's a lot of stuff here that feels like they wanted to get the update out before the holidays

[pale cedar]

All DE has to do is disable one dating button

[narrow pendant]

i assume their dialogue in the room is drifter specific? idk

would be one reason to ban the minor ig

[narrow pendant]

im glad its as polished as it is, the industry has fallen to way lower standards than this lol

[pale cedar]

Uriel talks about the Tenno

Marie just says hello

Lyon just apologies then sells you stuff

[narrow pendant]

maybe we will get special dialogue if they do let in the tenno

uriel should be reacting accordingly to the "betrayer"

while drifter wasnt part of it

[pale cedar]

Uriel sees Drifter as the betrayer

[narrow pendant]

close enough ig

[hollow siren]

Uriel sees the Drifter as having done the same betrayal that the Operator did, but then Drifter also did a second usurping on top of that

[pale cedar]

Drifter did usurp Narmer
Drifter usurped Thrax

[hollow siren]

Roathe also sees them as having "Usurped" Reality by entering it from the Void

[glacial pendant]

I think because of the Old Peace we can sketch somewhat of a timeline

[pale cedar]

All we can really add to it is

Old War starts
Old Peace pauses the conflict temporarily
Old War continues

[heady quest]

Orokin wants to go to Tau, They make sentients, Sentients make solar rail, Some orokin goes on vacation there, he comes back saying how wonderful Tau is, Everybody wants to go to vacation there, Sentients mad, Old war starts, Warframes are made, Warframes are going crazy, Zariman returns, Tenno discovered to be able to control warframes, Tenno schools are made, Old piece starts somewhere later, for some reason Orokin want war again, Ballas being stupid, stupid stupid ballas, man I hate ballas, present time

voila absolute cinema

[glacial pendant]

Well I think we have a timeline now on us getting send to Lua and Margulis' execution.

[main crane]

Ballas decided to yank the treaty because he knows the Orokin can't have the moon for themselves if the sentients live there.

[hollow siren]

well they want all of Tau, not just Perita

[glacial pendant]

Yeah the moon was very much a paradise for the Sentients but quite hostile to humans.

[heady quest]

i still don't really understand what happened in the end of the quest

[hollow siren]

Margulis put us in the Dream

[heady quest]

like i get that some crazy political move was done on us and we were to blame for something but i don't get what happened like we exploded the egg and then suddenly we are mad towards Ballas and we explode the academy?

like i feel like i missed some important contex for us to suddently be mad

[hollow siren]

The code was to activate the world-seeder, not destroy it as we thought

"You changed the codes, didn't you!"

That's why the Xenoflora died

[main crane]

Ballas changed the codes

[heady quest]

ohhhhhh i completely missed that i thought we succeded in destroying it XDDD

[main crane]

Instead of blowing up the egg, we activated the egg

[hollow siren]

"We were used. Ballas used us."

[main crane]

Since the eggs got activated, the Sentients went wild and the treaty is over

[heady quest]

omg that makes so much more sense thanks I completely overlooked that XD

so like are all the flowers gone then?

[hollow siren]

Unclear if all Xenoflowers died by now

we don't even know if they only exist on Perita or if they also grow in other parts of Tau

[pale cedar]

I prefer Warframe without aliens tbh so I hope they’re all gone

[hollow siren]

At least the aliens seem to be genuinely just flowers

no animals, no sapient lifeforms, no greater mind

[pine orchid]

the most alien sapient lifeform seems to be Wally, maybe the Duviri people? if you count that? XD

[pale cedar]

I do wonder how Hunhow is coping without them

[hollow siren]

well he's a Greater Sentient, and thus seems to be the head of his own Hivemind

the flora let Fragments be fully sapient

hence the named Conculyst and Summulysts we see on Perita

[glacial pendant]

I think the breaking of the peace treaty is what lead Hunhow to sever the connection between Tau and the origin system

[hollow siren]

He did that when he did his final assault on Lua

[pale cedar]

Adis doesn’t seem to be a fragment since name isn’t Adislyst

[hollow siren]

yeah Adis could be a Greater Sentient

[dark compass]

To be fair, Adis is special

[hollow siren]

we never really see him going mindless

at the end he's just blinded by rage

[dark compass]

And very young

[pale cedar]

Adis caused and had a crashout

[hollow siren]

Hunhow's direct children seem to be Greater

Natah controls Sentients and Erra can control even the Archons

[pale cedar]

Praghasa too

[hollow siren]

now wether Pazuul can host a Hivemind on his own or if he's just kinda hi-jacking Erra's capacity of doing so is unclear

[hollow siren]

well yes, but she's not a child of Hunhow

[hollow siren]

.

[glacial pendant]

Archimedean Iztam

[hollow siren]

what about him

[glacial pendant]

Wrong reply since I meant to reply to this reaction

[hollow siren]

oh yeah

I could see Itzam being named for the same reason he became an Archimedean

[glacial pendant]

I think we are supposed to assume that all fragments had names, DE just didn't name them all because it would it take too much time to give each Sentient you encounter a name

[hollow siren]

regardless, even if Adis was just a Fragment he's still far from a normal Sentient

[hollow siren]

True

[pale cedar]

Maybe the rank promotion upgraded him from regular

[glacial pendant]

The Battalyst Adis healed was also named

[hollow siren]

yep

[glacial pendant]

If I remember correctly

[hollow siren]

.

[austere summit]

During the Natah quest, Hunhow refers to Natah as the last of his womb, Lotus herself mentions choosing the tenno as her children during New War since she could not have any of her own.
Sorry for taking a bit, poring through what info I can find about Praghasa, and I might be mixing things up

[narrow pendant]

was the typholyst a thing prior to the old peace? i cant remember ever seeing one prior

the pyramid shaped guy who we give energy cores too

[glacial pendant]

It appeared during te New War quest

[pale cedar]

“Typholysts are colossal Sentient drones appearing during The New War quest, serving as the Quests exclusive boss (enemy in the Tower of Unum section).”

[hollow siren]

Teshin fights them in TNW

[glacial pendant]

And in the Unum tower right before she freezes time

[dark compass]

They're in new war too

Oh I am late with the reply lol

[narrow pendant]

on another note, the sentient type that uses one arm as a shield didnt appear on tau so ig it could be a adaptation in the later stages of the old war

[austere summit]

The void gate made to help eat the sun so Ballas could go to Tau definitely killed what was left of Praghasa though

[pale cedar]

Was Dacto a new or old unit?

[narrow pendant]

very sure its new

yup just checked

was added this update

[glacial pendant]

Yeah that I knew. But on Praghasa we don't really know much. We also don't have a canonical explanation as to why she's braindead.

[dark compass]

We call that Oraxia with extra steps

[narrow pendant]

Symbilyst was the name

[dark compass]

[hollow siren]

yeah no confirmed reason, but there are some solid speculation as seen earlier in this chat

[narrow pendant]

i read once she is in a comatose state

[glacial pendant]

There's also a theory going around that Ballas is responsible for it in order to revive Erra and making it easier to manipulate Natah between the Chimera and the Erra prologue

[pale cedar]

Responsible for what?

[hollow siren]

Praghasa's lobotomy

[pale cedar]

Doubt it

Void damaged her

[austere summit]

Praghasa did a sub-light jump, which is why it took her so long to get to Sol compared to a void jump

[tall echo]

...waht

praghasa took just as long as like 90% of the other sentients to get to the origin system because the transported the others

[tall echo]

she did a void jump

[austere summit]

Why is everything so contradictory?

[tall echo]

nothing is contradictory

sentients can survive void exposure for a short time, the other origin sentients are only sterile because praghasa took the majority of it

[austere summit]

I see that she void jumped to Sol during the old war, then I see she arrived before New War via sublight jump

[tall echo]

what's the second one from

[hollow siren]

They'd been gathering Sentients near the edge of the system since the Old War, that's presumably where Praghasa was too before they launched the Narmer invasion

[glacial pendant]

Rebecca said that the "we severed world's" line was important for the Old Peace during Tennocon

[heady quest]

also i think DE is like making it so abstract to what the flowers actually are that yes they might be organic but also completely different then what we think life is.

[lean garden]

important to tau wasnt it?

not old peace

I distinctly remember reacting with a "WE'RE REBUILDING THE RAIL" when she said that during tennocon

[hollow siren]

Good, I hate when aliens are just slightly different-looking animals or humans

[hollow siren]

which is likely what Tau 2026 will lead with