lore-discussion

[dreamy sluice]

What are the rations?

Just imaging writing a grineer that steps up by being praised at being a good cook

[opaque zenith]

generic soldier rations I would guess

[tall echo]

Grineer

[opaque zenith]

Oh, Kahl goes fishing sometimes too, so there's that

[hollow siren]

Grineer soldiers subsist on "Corpse Slurry" made by the processing of meat from insubordinate/underperforming Grineer

[strange turtle]

Nope. There’s also the fact he needed Ballas to weaken things in the first place, and we were able to hold off an attempt from him in Gargoyle’s Cry

[tall echo]

Usually the "corpse" part is omitted though

[dreamy sluice]

Hmm looks workable

[strange turtle]

Wasn’t there also like, a pie or something

Actually that might’ve been something the queen said she was gonna eat

[brittle siren]

if you find it pls send me

[hollow siren]

I doubt the Grineer have much of a culinary culture at all since the empire is solely focused on efficiency and expanding

[strange turtle]

Nah, they’re open about it, at least on the Fortress

Attention: There are only three valid reasons to cease working on the kuva supply. One: A Dreamer has arrived with a hideous metal puppet. You may pause your work to kill it. Two: You have died from exhaustion. Please remain dead until your body has been collected by Food Services. Three: Uh… Three… hmm… I guess that only makes two reasons!

[strange turtle]

Pardon the interruption, but unfortunately we are declaring several [giggle] redundancies today, across all departments. Say goodbye to: scheduled breaks, compensation, and regular meals. We wish them all the best in their future endeavours!

[strange turtle]

Ah, was thinking of this

Curious Worker K97 writes: 'Your Majesty, what are some delicious ways to make protein slurry?' Oh, well, I'm so glad you took time out of your work detail to ask this! You've inspired a whole new line of meat pies! Mmm, mmm, gamey!"

[opaque zenith]

there's #memories-of-tau channel who had the link trown constantly, atm I'm ocupied to search there and only answering with text what I can

[dreamy sluice]

Well someone has to give out the food... So a buffet worker would work in universe right?

[tall echo]

Ahh, good to know the truth indeed wouldn't've been worth my time

[strange turtle]

Why tf are are her lines all so corporate 😭

[tall echo]

Orokin

[strange turtle]

Orokin aren’t corporate they’re snooty and arrogant

[tall echo]

And very fond of telling people to do things by the book

[hollow siren]

Well she's speaking over comms to workers

[dreamy sluice]

Hmm gotta google the Pie idea...

The queens eat sth to right?

[strange turtle]

Well, just Queen now, but yeah

[dreamy sluice]

Hmm than I probably will try to write a short story about the Queen cook, since she probably doesnt want to eat kuva the same way all the time?

[pale cedar]

Eat sth?

[opaque zenith]

If you follow on that story idea, here's some extra things to trown around: A interpretation the Lua's Prey cinematic (the one you can see by looking at lua in a specific place of the Voruna leverian) is that the worm queen is crazy(ier?) and use the severed head of the elder queen as a "Wilson" friend (not seeing the head as her sister "alive" but as a new person, notably more friendly)

[dreamy sluice]

Yeah saw it right now to catch up and yeahhh gives me an idea. Gonna sketch a picture of the cook right now (after eating some dinner myself.)
XD

[sleek lion]

So, I have a lore question, about spoilers in the old peace, ||if Margulis was the one who put us the tenno to sleep (I guess this was the first dream?), then Natah woke us up again to finish the old war and put us to sleep again? (In a second dream?) is this correct? ||

[hollow siren]

yes

the Second Dream is what we're in at the start of the game

[sleek lion]

Got it, thanks || I thought the first dream was somewhere during the zariman incident, hence my confussion ||

[restive river]

We got woken up and put back to sleep cause our uncle was mean

[hollow siren]

nah the dreams are because of how we were after the incident

[restive river]

Old War as a whole is confusing tbh
This has been the most direct info on it

[humble sierra]

Get all the schools and click all the glitchy parts of all the images. You only need to click them on one path, but all the schools are needed.

[restive river]

And the therapy
And the trauma sealing

[brittle siren]

I- what-?

[humble sierra]

https://www.warframe.com/the-old-peace/history-of-tau

[restive river]

In the interactive, you need to get all the schools and find all the glitches

[pine orchid]

I dont think you need all the schools

just all the glitches

[restive river]

I got all the schools anyway lol

You do get lenses from them so

[pine orchid]

yes, for the lenses Xd

but I got the Truth with 2 schools (missed a couple glitches on my first go lmao)

[lean garden]

to clarify, what Margulis put us in is the Second Dream. Natah only woke us up out of the pods for an instance during the assault on Lua and put us back in it

[brittle siren]

so how to find the glitch

[humble sierra]

Each time you complete a challenge

[pine orchid]

pro tip: pause on the screen for like 1-2 seconds and find glitching out parts, click those

idr if it’s always after challenges or some after regular questions

but I missed a couple bcs I thought there werent any glitches on the screen only to click next and see the glitch a split second before the transition to the next question

[brittle siren]

I have to redo some mission again...

[pine orchid]

if you alr complete a challenge you dont have to do it again

[brittle siren]

It ask me to do it again

I already done it last time but now it just making me doing it again

[humble sierra]

It's different missions for each school/option

[pine orchid]

eh just hop onto earth or venus mission solo they’re easy enough Xd

[pine orchid]

this too

[brittle siren]

so no need to get all school right?

[restive river]

You should for the lenses

Free Eidolon lenses :)

[pine orchid]

just get all 5 glitches

if you dont feel like doing it for the lenses

[brittle siren]

Eh I have too much lens anyway

[restive river]

Where do we
Put the lenses

[tall echo]

Hhhhhh

[restive river]

You can always always have more

It’s like forma

[tall echo]

I need lenses but ugh

It takes so long

[restive river]

Just follow a walkthrough

Speedrun em

[tall echo]

I got the path for the one lense I didn't need

[restive river]

Lmao

I got the one i chose during the second dream
Somehow

[opaque zenith]

Warframe past lore in a nutshell

[brittle siren]

I got the first glitch (excal prime), what is the next one

[restive river]

You will see it

Just be take it slow

[brittle siren]

oh ok

[restive river]

They’re all in the pictures so you can’t miss them

[dark compass]

You forgot about romance somewhere in-between

(I have not romanced anyone)

[hollow siren]

same

[pine orchid]

it’s in the eternalism strand of khra Xd

[restive river]

That only happens to Drifter
Who doesn’t sleep but does do warcrimes

[restive river]

Nah that’s in the past to our eternalism alt self

[opaque zenith]

What is romance, but a tongue warcrime action in your [THIS USER GOT TEMPORARILY MUTED]

[sick nebula]

Which warcrimes?

Warframe abilities seem bizarrely selective and never seem to harm anything that isn't an enemy or an inanimate object.

[hollow siren]

idk how to tell you this but even flaming people is a warcrime

[dark compass]

They don't hurt inanimate objects half the time

[rich stump]

Lavos is literally the chemical warfare frame

[sick nebula]

There are certain warcrimes that involve flamethrowers, but setting an enemy soldier on fire with a flamethrower is not one of them.

[dark compass]

Blinding and serrated(?) weapons are considered a warcrime

Gara is quite a criminal

[hollow siren]

weapons for warfare must be made to kill as efficiently as possible, not intentionally making the enemy suffer before their death. A lot of our weapons fail that criteria

[dark compass]

As long as you don't infuse gas or viral

[sick nebula]

I'm pretty sure every blinding ability on a Warframe is temporary, and thus almost certainly not what they're talking about.

[old wharf]

Did I get lucky?

[dark compass]

That's a lore discussion

[sick nebula]

Viral damage isn't even contagious, and none of the contagious abilities share the "uncontrolled spread to everyone" that actual disease does.

[dark compass]

Fair enough

[sick nebula]

They are all bizarrely selective

[restive river]

the warframes are the warcrimes

also ||Uriel in Old Peace||

[brittle siren]

whose Vessel did Wally control during the end of Whisper in the Wall

[restive river]

also just saying we do warcrimes is literally just a joke in the community cause we do a lot of overkill lol

[brittle siren]

imagine a group of Uriel flying at the same time to your fleet

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/black-adam-gif-26989330

[brittle siren]

kinda suck that DE make it so he can't use slam

you need to exit the flying mode then you can slam

[dark compass]

Good

Slams are evil

More evil than anything Uriel related

[brittle siren]

I dont like Slam wukong, other slam is fine because ppl have to jump

[stiff fable]

it does not

[brittle siren]

also after 20th time killing him he just beg us to leave him alone

lmao

[mystic lynx]

all the 7 executor is confirmed dead?

[burnt blade]

Lmfao am not, I don't get the voice actors who voice my fictional husbandos to voice characters in my game (just a joke)

[sick nebula]

No.

We don't know the fate of:

• Nitokh
• Scarne
• Tormis

[opaque zenith]

Balls, Karishh, Tuvul, Avantus: ⚰️
Scarne, Tormis:
Nitokh ||Is GIM spoiler||

[mystic lynx]

who killed avantus?

[opaque zenith]

A grineer lol (history in the Enviscerator sinthesis iirc)

[mystic lynx]

lame ass death lmao

[sick nebula]

Apparently both Valdur and Daklo suggest that something weird is going on with the flowers:

Valdur: "'Xenoflora'. Flowers. The only real alien life we've ever found, and the Sents scarf them down like kubrow chow! Just as well for us they did, eh, Tenno? Suddenly they've all got minds of their own, so no more hivemind, so no more war."

Daklo: "Tenno, I know you're loyal and you want this to work, but you know it as well as I do: there is something deeply amiss with the Sentients. If they're so proud of who they are, then why do they want to be human so badly? And every time they try, it's just off, isn't it? Just know you have a friend in me if you ever need to talk."

[sick nebula]

I'm pretty sure the "spoiler" is that we don't know if Nitokh is alive.

[heady quest]

can we already discuss old peace stuff in here?

[sick nebula]

The channel description beings with "SPOILER ALERT: THis channel may contain spoilers!"

[opaque zenith]

||Maybe the death is confirmed there, maybe it isn't, I didn't get to the convos end yet||

[opaque zenith]

For courtesy I personaly put spoilers till a month later

[heady quest]

how many transcript does uriel already have?

[heady quest]

yeah that makes sense, I'll send more stuff in the old peace chat

[earnest sapphire]

‘Bout to start beefing with Marie when it comes down to Entranti it seems

[stiff fable]

the whole thing's datamined afaik

[dark compass]

Daklo is just racist

[opaque zenith]

If Hunhow can change I can fix Daklo (cope)

[kindred plume]

I don't know if this is the best place but its kinda of a lore thing, since it's about the kimulacrum... But what are the Thermostat counter in the conversations with Marie? Adding counters is bad? I really don't understand

[pale cedar]

Isn't that a Roathe thing?

[kindred plume]

It happens with Marie too

At least according to the Kimulacrum

I really want to have good relationships with Lyon, Roathe and Marie... So I wanted to understand a bit more of that thermostat counter

[pale cedar]

DE haven't really explained it very well tbh

I know Roathe has a danger zone thing

[kindred plume]

Well... I'll at least try to get good chemistry with them. But if anyone has some info I would appreciate it

[stiff fable]

Thermostat is the counter for Rothe's personal opinion on redemption

0-4 gets you his bad ending because he concludes he personally is evil'

5+ gets you his redemption ending (if you gather the right flags as well)

Negative thermostat gets you a secret good ending because he decides that the Orokin are evil so him being evil is also fine, but also you're basically an Orokin if you get this

[cunning tapir]

That's a secret good ending?

[stiff fable]

the villain ending yes

[kindred plume]

I wasn't expecting something like that

I supose its better to just add as many counters as possible then?

[stiff fable]

there are actually a few different alternate endings

you can still screw up the conversations, as always

[kindred plume]

Now he's sending me lots of audio messages, I'm scared

[stiff fable]

that's from Descendia

actually that can also screw up your KIM lol

Well screw up is the wrong word

[cunning tapir]

Oh yeah, you get enough of those you unlock all his memeories.

[stiff fable]

but you're not supposed to farm him

[cunning tapir]

....Wait wut.

[kindred plume]

...what.

[stiff fable]

and there's a slight punishment for it

[kindred plume]

Then how on Tau am I supoosed to farm uriel?!

[stiff fable]

"not"

[kindred plume]

I'm dying inside

[stiff fable]

if you unlock all his memories early he figures out you're resetting the timeline

and calls you out on it

like Lizzie but it comes up in more than one convo

[cunning tapir]

Oh, well. I'm good. cuz I never reset anyway.

[kindred plume]

I got 6 audios... is that really bad or I still have chance of getting a "good ending" with him...?

[stiff fable]

It doesn't lock you out of the good ending

[kindred plume]

Oh good good

[stiff fable]

but it does add an extra wrinkle

[silk atlas]

If they didn't want me farming him then they shouldn't make me farm lmao

[kindred plume]

I guess I'll just try to add more counters whenever I have a chance... Seems the easiest?

[stiff fable]

this is only if you have all 21 conversations

[cunning tapir]

What about if you never even reset before?

[stiff fable]

it runs off the memories so it won't help

[cunning tapir]

Whaaaat?

[stiff fable]

it's because of how they structured this KIM

[silk atlas]

So wait like what happens if I did farm him already?

[stiff fable]

While Lizzie checks if you've ever reset, Rothe only checks HellStory, which is his counter for how many voice messages you've gotten

[cunning tapir]

That's like being accused of cheating on a final exam because you were just that good.

[stiff fable]

no it's an oversight

they should check reset count AND HellStory

but they didn't think people would no-life his messages

[silk atlas]

.

He's stupid easy to farm

This is just DE being stupid if they didn't account for this

[stiff fable]

if you played Descendia properly and only ran it weekly (or twice weekly for SP) you wouldn't run into trouble

[narrow pendant]

cough cough there are people who got all ults by farming perita already

[cunning tapir]

Yeah, you'd just have to redo his bossfight.

like just his bossfight.

[stiff fable]

There's actually no point to redoing his boss fight since you get so many pity mats

[narrow pendant]

i spent them on arcanes

[cunning tapir]

I did it just so he'd get his memories back. I didn't think it'd backfire.

[stiff fable]

womp womp

[cunning tapir]

I mean he asked for his memories back tho

[silk atlas]

"Memories are what make me me"
"Wait no not those memories let's not"

Too bad, Roathe, they're your memoreis

[stiff fable]

no no it's not even that

He likes having his memories back

He doesn't like the implication that he remembers getting his memories back before

Meaning someone's playing games

[kindred plume]

this is too much for my poor dumb brain

[pale cedar]

It's like DE forgot what game this is

[kindred plume]

Come on DE I just want to chat with them and not having a actual stress like real life when talking to someone on the internet

[narrow pendant]

[silk atlas]

Okay, so then yeah, the HellStory without checking the resets thing is just DE being stupid

If it was just him not wanting all the memories I'd be fine and take the L with that

[stiff fable]

The mistake was making Rothe re-fightable, I think

should have been a once per week thing period

[pale cedar]

DE also didn't explain it existing at all

[stiff fable]

It's a side effect of there being multiple teams working on the update

[silk atlas]

Taking 21 weeks to get the Honoria sounds awful

[pale cedar]

I heard that's a bug

[stiff fable]

oh well that would do it

[silk atlas]

I haven't heard anything either way for that

[pale cedar]

This update also doesn't explain things very well in general

Patch notes didn't even mention the meter

[silk atlas]

All the people who don't check the KIM for the initial lore dump on why the Cathedral is here is staggering

[stiff fable]

Which meter?

[silk atlas]

Honestly the worst update in terms of actually instructing players

[stiff fable]

Because the patch notes have never gone into detail about how the KIM works if that's what you mean

[pale cedar]

Roathe apparently has a danger zone meter

[silk atlas]

There's two big endings, +Temp gives villain ending -Temp gives redemption. More or less than 5 gives an ending, between there is a fail

[stiff fable]

right yeah that's fine enough

Like I said, patch notes have never explained the actual KIM mechanics

[silk atlas]

I don't really mind the temp thing, yeah

[pale cedar]

I'm fine with it existing but no actual mentions of it will definitely cause some people to fail

[lilac aspen]

“Oh this is a lovely game.”
“…I PLAYED THESE GAMES BEFORE!”

[stiff fable]

though I think this is backwards, I heard +temp is the redemption ending?

[pale cedar]

See

It is confusing

[stiff fable]

only because of hearsay

[silk atlas]

Because we only have hearsay

[lilac aspen]

Did I hear Heresy?

[stiff fable]

In practice encouraging him to find redemption gets you the redemption ending

[lilac aspen]

[stiff fable]

Heretic of Xata

[tall echo]

truth

[lean garden]

actually by this point in the KIMs, it wouldnt screw anything up

Ive been looking and we're in a neat midway point where its checking for up to 9-11-13?? counters

and still theres no way anyone can hit 21 counters

[cunning tapir]

actually, yeah they can.
you can redo the roathe fight over and over.

[lean garden]

no it dont work like that

that runs up HellKeyPlayed which triggers the VMs

but the VMs are timegated to 2 per day (since old peace launched)

[cunning tapir]

huh

[lean garden]

its the VMs that increase HellStory Counter

[cunning tapir]

OK that makes a lot more sense.

[silk atlas]

Oh so don't listen to the VMs?

[sly pagoda]

so triggering VMs increases the thermostat too?

[cunning tapir]

that's a different story.

[pale cedar]

Is that a good or bad thing?

[cunning tapir]

VMs increase the hellstory counter.
VMs in itself are time-gated it sounds like..
I think that very timegate keeps roathe from unjustly accusing you of resetting.

[lean garden]

it is an inevitable thing

[lean garden]

correct, but from what I can tell we're out of the woods there

but I think roathe is smart enough to figure out about resetting anyways, but I dont know if it will play out in the kims or not

-# or do I

[stiff fable]

@lean garden you probably saw but the game hasn't been playing my Roathe conversations post-Descendia, so that bug hasn't been fixed yet

[lean garden]

I know, isa tragedy

[sweet wadi]

So has there been any lore on the Emperors? Who they were and if the Tenno killed them? I hadn’t heard of them until Roathe mentioned them as above the Executors.

[strange turtle]

No

They got like, one mention in Stalkers codex, which is what we know them from

But it was assumed they had been retconned into the Executors until now because they never came up again

Or, more likely, they were retconned into the Executors, but Rebecca decided to bring them back

[stiff fable]

Rothe has a throwaway line in his early Descendia logs about them sleeping on their thrones

[opaque zenith]

What do we call a retcon of a retcon that brings back the original?

[stiff fable]

A retcon

:V

[opaque zenith]

no fun, I'll call it fowardcon or smt

[hollow trench]

We had to use the bathroom and raid the fridge for cheese that’s why we woke up

Wait I responded to the wrong message

Fml

[pale cedar]

Reversed retcon

[barren lodge]

Guys

Wth is hapoening with the indifferemce

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/blight-batman-beyond-you-killed-my-father-do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-do-you-have-the-slightest-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-gif-25176272

[radiant crown]

Is ballas dead dead? Cuz as far as we know his body is just floating in the void and who know what can happen

[pale cedar]

Yes

Warden isn’t Ballas at all

So he's definitely dead

[barren lodge]

Im Mac

[barren lodge]

Ballas got his life sucked out by lotus... now i know how that sounds but it is what happened

[pale cedar]

He didn't deserve such a kind fate tbh

[dire mountain]

Childhood is thinking ballas got what he deserved. Maturity is knowing he deserved worse

[sweet wadi]

Wisdom is knowing that the greatest torture you can inflict on Ballas is forgetting him.

And yet, apparently not the worst

[cunning tapir]

I think maturity is realizing Ballas cannot do anything more to ruin anymore lives ever again.

[pale cedar]

Until you remember

[ashen pulsar]

repercussions of his actions will probably still ruin thousands more

[ashen pulsar]

inigo montoya?

[waxen mesa]

do we have a lore reason that metal is so popular in warframe?

like everything is either rock or metal

[ashen pulsar]

cuz its sci fi

[sick nebula]

Maturity is realizing that:

Natah: "We've already had our revenge."

[ashen pulsar]

metal holds

[waxen mesa]

I guess given earth's...everything. wood is probably very rare and not worth using

[ashen pulsar]

it probably isn't that rare, but not worth using.

and mostly held by grineer

[dark compass]

Ostron are constantly walking around with and using random lumps of matter everywhere

[waxen mesa]

are the Venusian trees wood or like...fungunal material

[sick nebula]

Carpentry is a skill lost to the plague. :V

[ashen pulsar]

why would you, a grineer or corpus that wants a strong base, make things out of a weaker material than you have access to?

[waxen mesa]

well for corpus there is a big reason

Cost

[sick nebula]

The wonderful thing about wood as a material is that it literally grows on trees

[ashen pulsar]

not really

[waxen mesa]

100,000 credits of wood or 15,000,00 credits of alloy

[ashen pulsar]

again most wood is controlled by grineer

[waxen mesa]

trade deals idk

[dark compass]

At some point you start wondering why did you build your ship out of wood

[ashen pulsar]

meanwhile you can just have solaris or something similar mine for you

[waxen mesa]

worked out well in outer wilds

[sick nebula]

The Grineer would like to control it, but actually they're really struggling to keep it under control.

See: the Silver Grove. :3

[dark compass]

Finally, cost effective Moa

[ashen pulsar]

true, but the point stands

corpus dont have easy access

[sick nebula]

As I understand it, RL warships switched to metal decks once they had good enough AC and ventilation to handle it.

[ashen pulsar]

metal is just better for things you want to hold

hold through gunfights, science experiments, space flight, and more in this case

[dark compass]

Hey, at least Zylok prime has a wooden handle

[ashen pulsar]

what about the zariman incarnons is that wood

[pale cedar]

Yes

[dark compass]

Oh yeah

Those are too

[ashen pulsar]

there's a decent bit of wood in albrecht's aesthetic right?

labs and such

[pale cedar]

Yep

[fast dew]

Wood and marble, yeah

[hollow trench]

You know I agree with that

Also regular weapons to an extent look better, like I think regular Corinth looks better than its prime

[waxen mesa]

is stalker on better terms with the tenno these days or does he still hate them

because like. can you really hate your midwife?

[silk atlas]

At best he probably thinks we're even

[oblique plaza]

does anyone know when this background changed and why

[pale cedar]

This update, no idea why probably something Wally related

[ashen pulsar]

what is it tho

probably old peace but I can't tell what im looking at

[oblique plaza]

the old background was a bunch of wally, the new one looks like a massive entrati machine

too big to actually comprehend, but above is a big one the spheres with runes all over it

[ashen pulsar]

tricks from the manindawall

probably to mess with us

its not like his influence is gone

[oblique plaza]

it does seem like something is happening though. Theres a pretty clear barrier on the sides

on the right you can pretty clearly see the old background where we have much more of his influence

part of me thinks he's backing off a little after the quest to focus elsewhere, or when

[waxen mesa]

does it look dustier?

i've been looking at a few screenshots of the old skybox and everything seems clearer then it does in my game

[oblique plaza]

it def does

oh thats weird

[pale cedar]

Looks like the divide between dust and Void is slowly not becoming a divide

[oblique plaza]

i went back in and its the old one again

is the tech one actually new?

[pale cedar]

Tech one?

[oblique plaza]

this one

[pale cedar]

Yeah that’s definitely new

[dire mountain]

Did they accidentally flip the background

[pale cedar]

Nah I think Wally purposefully flipped it

[thick yacht]

Is Wally trying to cause the labs to collapse

I swear we end up with more and more of the lab missing

[tawdry lintel]

does anyone have all of the lore blurbs shown during the Old Peace livestream?
the one titled ???? ??????? ????? (or something like that)

[waxen mesa]

I think it was ???????? ?? ???

[fast dew]

Is that not the zariman

[dire mountain]

I have most

[dire mountain]

No

[strange turtle]

Nah too blacky

[sweet wadi]

Wood isn’t known for growing very fast, though.

[stiff fable]

Orokin tho'

[pine orchid]

about the sanctum anatomica background... I think we just did a 180 turn? because before, the entrati tech stuff was visible if you were looking towards the sanctum from the outside bit

and now it's been reversed

[stiff fable]

oh that's smart

[tawdry lintel]

thanks
i remember someone made a reddit post with em all, but i cant find it TwT

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-the-new-war-warframe-the-new-war-era-warframe-era-gif-24035756

[crimson bobcat]

i was about to put that here

[pine orchid]

^a collection from the captura scene from before, you can see the entrati tech thing used to be placed where the endless wallys are now

[hollow trench]

Wally needs to knock first smh

Strolls around like he owns the place

[sweet wadi]

… I just realized that the Yareli prime blurb implies that Ballas wanted to be a young woman.

[pine orchid]

elaborate??

[oblique plaza]

i have no doubt all of the orokin inhabited all sorts of bodies

[fast dew]

Moreso a young girl.

[sweet wadi]

He had initially chosen the first Yareli subject as his next continuity body, but felt disrespected by her and turned her into a warframe instead.

[pine orchid]

oh lmao

[fast dew]

Not even a woman, chances are the yuvan was a child

[sweet wadi]

I didn’t want to go there but yes

Idk how comfortable people are bringing that bit up

[strange turtle]

That and you can see stuff like it in other areas of the lab

[fast dew]

Eh, imo folk should know thats what the orokin did. Kill and possess children's bodies.

[strange turtle]

Better to be a bit uncomfortable and just try to quickly move past than to just avoid acknowledging it entirely

Unless there’s like, trauma stuff

[sweet wadi]

This does mean that Ballas is gender fluid though

[fast dew]

Unlikely

The orokin don't have the same perception of gender as we do

[sweet wadi]

I mean… why else would they want to inhabit a woman’s body?

[fast dew]

Gender is a construct, even more for the orokin. It becomes a little pointless when you can change it on a whim

They are also like

Giga good at cosmetic surgery

[sweet wadi]

Yeah, which means he/him is entirely arbitrary for Ballas

[pine orchid]

I mean, they can make themselves blue and have an elongated functional arm

so like... I'm sure they've figured out trans surgeries by then

[fast dew]

Yuppers. He chose it. All for we know, the current body ballas inhabits could've been female :)

[fast dew]

We already have irl, its just a matter of making the scarring disappear

[sweet wadi]

Or they just felt like being male at the time.

[pine orchid]

maybe I should've specified perfected it

[fast dew]

The orokin as a whole also had pretty androgynous dressing

[silk atlas]

Drifter already talked about the whole gender thing not mattering much in present day WF

[fast dew]

Have i seen at least 1 person dress like how bluebrecht does? Yeah its a little concerning

[silk atlas]

The name is important in Orokin society when you can just swap around and edit bodies like it's a fashion choice (because it is to them)

[fast dew]

Exactly!!

They don't gaf, its just the name that's important

Probably why the entrati family treat necraloid as if he is just Loid (cuz to them, he is)

[sweet wadi]

The entrati had undergone continuity before the infestation happened, hadn’t they? I know Albrecht had access to it but refused.

[fast dew]

They all probably did it.

Albrecht did. Albrecht definitely did.

[sweet wadi]

He stopped after meeting wally iirc

Because he wasn’t certain if he was him.

[fast dew]

No clue exactly when he stopped, but yes, sometime after wally

There is a chance he did it one more time

A small chance, and not one i believe in, but one nonetheless

[pine orchid]

I agree, because imo his memoir saying "this is the last body I inhabit" could be interpreted as "I'm not doing it anymore at all since last time (before wally)" or "This is the last time I'm doing it (after wally)"

[sweet wadi]

Honestly, continuity should be at the forefront of the current ‘do Orokin deserve a chance at redemption?’ Question. Because it’s probably the single most vile thing you can do to another human being.

[fast dew]

There's the fact he was still blue post void incident

[silk atlas]

He took a lot of time to think about stopping Continuity

[pine orchid]

developed entire space travel tech in the meantime yeah

[fast dew]

Meaning he either bleached his skin or did it one final time

He also still had the orokin hair in duviri

Roathe doesn't recognise Albrecht's current form too

[sweet wadi]

Continuity is, as a concept, Evil with a capital E.

Possibly the worst individual thing done by anyone in the lore

[fast dew]

I think if they just. Used clones of their original bodies, it wouldn't be half as bad. Which was entirely possible

They just didn't like clones

[sweet wadi]

That’s it yeah

They decided that it was… better to use real people when cloning was an entirely viable method.

[silk atlas]

They make the rules so they do whatever. Shoot people because they're bored, even.

[fast dew]

Well there is the worry of clone rot, but i don't think we fully know how that occurs

[silk atlas]

Clone rot wasn't an issue until the Grineer couldn't swap out the templates because the tech was genelocked.

[fast dew]

Mm, so the reuse of DNA would be bad.

[silk atlas]

It's like inbreeding. Yeah you likely shouldn't do it at all but once or twice doesn't cause immediate issues.

[fast dew]

Its generation loss

[sweet wadi]

…. Grandmother was a monster, damn.

[fast dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_loss

Specifically this one, not the yt series

[silk atlas]

Oh there we go I only got the YT series lol

[fast dew]

Yeah it's an issue

Muckin. Ranboo. Get outta here i need the actual definition

[woven coyote]

so curious... but also don't want grandma spoilers

[thick yacht]

Orokin could’ve made clones

[sweet wadi]

Oh just the fact that she’s orokin.

[thick yacht]

Similar to the Genetic Dynasty from the Foundation show

How they always have Dawn, Day, and Dusk, and they’re all clones

[silk atlas]

Yeah but that ignores why they didn't: They didn't feel like it and they ruled so they made the rules.

[thick yacht]

And that is why their Empire didn’t last 10,000 years

[sweet wadi]

Was continuity a secret from their subjects?

[silk atlas]

Ordan Karris knew about it, at least, so I can't imagine it's too hard to learn about.

[sweet wadi]

Like, would the average subject have known that Orokin body-snatched kids?

[sweet wadi]

True

[silk atlas]

Part of the terror tactics, yeah

[sweet wadi]

Idk, because the Orokin also wanted to be loved and worshipped. Fear was great, obviously, but they wanted the proles to think they were morally superior as well.

[pine orchid]

I think they might've? because in the old peace defense mission the palanquin says smth abt it

smth about if smth were to happen to the orokin within it is within their rights to requisition the nearest yuvan body

[sweet wadi]

Oof

[pine orchid]

sry for quality grabbed it from a screenshot of vod from mobile

[silk atlas]

If an Archimedean is scared of what the Orokin do, safe to say the common nobody would be too.

[pine orchid]

that could also be because the Archimedean are the closest to the Orokin, whereas to the common folk they wouldn't even catch a glimpse of an Orokin? The way our operator reacted in that same defense mission sounded like they were excited to be personally guarding one of the Seven, a big important Orokin figure

[silk atlas]

Also consider the colony that was literally wishing and praying that the asteroid hurtling towards them would kill them (Atlas Leverian)

They just generally make everyone working under them miserable if they weren't hardcore indoctrinated anyway.

[pine orchid]

tbf, the Orokin don't exactly sound like they have the wellbeing of their subjects in mind at all

[silk atlas]

Of course not

But point is they could shoot you just because they're bored, notable or not.

[fallen sun]

JADE SHADOWS WTFFFFFFFF 😭

i was not ready 🙁

[stiff fable]

The Orokin were the worst

now go to Strata Relay and visit Teshin

To finish it

[fallen sun]

to finish jade shadows?

[stiff fable]

Yes, actually

[fallen sun]

omg

i cant do this. i was not ready for these emotions. i have two kids of my own bro this stuff hits so hard

the orokin literally suck so bad i do not have words

[kindred plume]

Tbh, I don't really hate the Orokin. They were bad, but I wouldn't go as far as saying I hate them

But Ballas? Oh boy I hate that man so much. After Old Peace I feel like DE really wants us to hate him

[stiff fable]

According to Roathe, Ballas wasn't actually THAT BAD

which tells you about how bad they were

[fast dew]

They killed children for immortality.

[stiff fable]

and for entertainment

[silk atlas]

Many of them deserve their skulls bashed in, plainly and simply. Who knows about the lower guys but Roathe himself even admits that The Seven were just irredeemable.

[fast dew]

They actively chose to kill children.

[kindred plume]

I'll probably wait for lore videos to come I don't have the braincells to link every lore piece in the KIM and codex and stuff like that... lol (crying inside)

[stiff fable]

Reminder that the children the Orokin took as their bodies were the survivors of a gauntlet challenge that ended with a colosseum deathmatch

[silk atlas]

And the other are far worse with what Roathe mentions.

[kindred plume]

Ok now Y'all reminded me why I should hate the orokin. Ty, I hate them now. XD

[silk atlas]

Ballas is kiddie pool

[kindred plume]

I'm serious

I do have lots of trouble placing the lore together and I tend to forget lots of stuff

[stiff fable]

anyway yeah go check in with Teshin at the relay, then come back here

[kindred plume]

So casually talking like this does help a bit

[fallen sun]

I am reading it now...

[fallen sun]

done. wow. I am gonna build her. 🙁

[strange turtle]

It’s something they’re educated on

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframeballas-ballas-gif-903064965064944974

[strange turtle]

One of the Zariman tablets has a question on it

[fallen sun]

between this and his lines for Yareli Prime the issue of "is this civilization evil" is basically settled in my mind lol

[tawdry lintel]

what lore u guys talking bout now?

[stiff fable]

Destroying the Orokin Empire was a lawful good action

[kindred plume]

By the way, something I wonder about the Jade we build...

[tawdry lintel]

kinda wanna see if any wants to translate the new voidtingue lines from uriel

[silk atlas]

Wouldn't it be chaotic good

[fast dew]

Yes it has the baby still

[strange turtle]

3. What is 'kuva'?
   A. Fluid with Void-derived capacity to conduct consciousness (correct)

B. The liquid remnants of departed Orokin saints

17. How should you prepare for Continuity, if chosen?
    A. Exercise, bathe, and keep my body pure (correct)

B. This is too unlikely to be worth considering

[kindred plume]

The warframe we build are like clones or replicas of the originals, right? So we are cloning the baby too

[strange turtle]

In general they were seemingly quite open about the nature of their rule

[silk atlas]

The blueprint was after Jade gave birth so no baby.

[fast dew]

What?

[silk atlas]

But yes they're exact replicas

[fast dew]

No thats why we have that extra auraslot

[stiff fable]

what court would convict for it

[pale cedar]

The court of public opinion

[kindred plume]

But our Jade still has that little ball thingy in her belly

[silk atlas]

It has the aura slot because of the energy ball thingy.

[stiff fable]

reminder that Jade's womb is empty in the quest after the birth

Ballas literally made her nurture the jade light inside it

[fast dew]

Which is the baby

[pale cedar]

Was the baby

Not anymore

[silk atlas]

The baby was already born and she didn't change physically after giving birth besides dying

[strange turtle]

5. What should public architecture celebrate?
   A. Our understanding of geometry and physics

B. The proven superiority of tiered society (correct)

8. What was the purpose of the Zariman Parades?
   A. To raise capital for the Zariman expedition

B. To instil awe in those not chosen to participate (correct)

12. What is your first priority if you are exposed to the Void?
    A. Request the duty cephalon to seal off your environs (correct)

B. Call the Lorists, then immolate yourself at a thermo-cubicle

14. By what right do the Orokin govern?
    A. Through intrinsic superiority

B. This is a Forbidden Question (correct)

[fast dew]

^

[kindred plume]

Realizing I created a war in this chat lol

[pale cedar]

No, you didn't

Warframe did

[kindred plume]

So technically the light inside of her is not an actual baby

[strange turtle]

Frame did*

[fallen sun]

its not particularly a problem for me personally as the questline is what it is and so even if the model shows the jade light baby in my head thats not "the baby"

[pale cedar]

John Frame

[silk atlas]

There's also the issue of "The baby would just be draining Jade's energy all over again if it was still the baby in there"

[pale cedar]

Correct, ones we build aren't pregnant

[silk atlas]

We aren't infinitely replicating babies from crafting a pregnant woman

[pale cedar]

The one we build can't even get pregnant

[silk atlas]

And other sentences I never thought I'd say

[strange turtle]

I think it’s not a baby for one simple reason

DE aren’t gonna have us fight using a pregnant clone of the woman who’s funeral we assisted with. (And Stalker def wouldn’t let us)

[strange turtle]

Or any woman really

[silk atlas]

Get no, but I don't imagine why it wouldn't be pregnant already if it was pregnant when the BP was created.

[strange turtle]

But it wasn’t

[silk atlas]

if

[fallen sun]

insofar as any warframe "isnt" the person it used to be

[strange turtle]

Understand: She haunts this place. Her might has marred the earth. She whispers in the sleeping machines. Through the disintegration of her flesh, she lives on.

In honour of my barren, Void-scarred womb, I entrust Jade to you.

[languid goblet]

So this may have been asked or answered before but I've been meaning to ask since the cavia came into the game.

When you start an isolation vault bounty gomaitru says 'find out what He has be up to'

Now I always assumed the he was either her believing her father was alive and down in the vaults or that the necroloid was doing something, is it possible she aware the real boy loid is down in the sanctum and has known all along

[stiff fable]

Not Loid, none of the family know he's alive

It's probably Albrecht or Wally-in-the-form-of-Albrecht

[silk atlas]

Albrecht. Albrecht has kept the family blind to what he's been doing down there

[earnest sapphire]

Marie will mean mug the hell out of you for not liking Entrati it seems

[stiff fable]

yup

[languid goblet]

But they all think he's dead, and she's just clinging to hope he's not

[stiff fable]

which is a big change from the Hex

[woven coyote]

Even where "down there" is, the iso vaults arent at the true location of his labs

[earnest sapphire]

Might have to go with Roathe if she can’t accept that 😭

[languid goblet]

Also was there any actual in game thing to say they thought real loid was dead

[silk atlas]

Doesn't mean they can't poke around to see what he left behind. They don't even know about The Calymos Sequence

[stiff fable]

mostly Necraloid's existence

And how far he goes to make sure they don't find out about Albrecht's labs

[languid goblet]

I feel like she say 'was doing' rather than has been upto

[stiff fable]

Cephalonization implies dead

[languid goblet]

Ok yeah that tracks

I really want this deal with roathe to go through now and see what happens if loid goes up there

[silk atlas]

I mean that's her father and she knows he's been doing weird stuff behind her back all the time

[languid goblet]

Of course I just mean the wording seems off if she dosnt know for certain he's alive, I (maybe we) don't know how much the family know about wally so wasn't sure if he'd be an option

[silk atlas]

She's gotta make up for lost time being Infestation-lobotomised too

[languid goblet]

Not sure how that's connected but ok

[silk atlas]

Albrecht doing things all while she's stuck bickering with the rest of the family before we helped them

[strange turtle]

Not necessarily

[proper forum]

A storyline in the game I would love to continue is the 1999 story and see how it goes

[silk atlas]

NON DESTRUCTIVELY!?!?!?!?!

[stiff fable]

That's the exception that tests the rule

The Orokin however are monsters

The expectation is that it's the result of a death

[strange turtle]

No

Thats the expectation if its used as a punishment

Roathe pretty clearly lays out that thats from Nihil’s program

[stiff fable]

every cephalon we've met except Loid is a dead person

Even the ones we know were volunteers, like Suda

hell Amir wants to be a cephalon

[strange turtle]

And Suda wasn’t done punitively, but to preserve her mind

[stiff fable]

in fact I think there was some implication that Simaris was a volunteer too

[silk atlas]

@fast dew Oh you're not in the community server anymore. 3 months late but wow, an explanation for Loid and Necraloid.

[strange turtle]

And yeah probably Simaris

Those don’t support the idea of it mainly being from capital punishment, only that there were willing death cases

[stiff fable]

anyway point is that when you see a cephalon you assume you're looking at a dead person until their original pops up

[woven coyote]

Yeah they live in a mostly destroyed infested moon, think they have plenty of reason to presume loid dead

[fast dew]

Mhm?

[silk atlas]

Wait was that not you?

Oh no it is

[silk atlas]

Just thought it was cool

[languid goblet]

I suppose if they have the ability to transfer memories and personality then the should be able to copy paste them into a cephelon

[stiff fable]

basically

The Orokin simply chose not to

[languid goblet]

Tracks

[stiff fable]

they always had access to Sentient-proof artificial intelligence

But they used it as a way to capture people's souls and consciousness and destroy both

[strange turtle]

Speaking of I would just like to once again state my hate for the fact they decided to bring up the “necraloids” lore again.

Like. They didn’t do anything with it. “Oh thats Necraloid. Well, a necraloid” “there’s multiple?” “No but there could be if someone made another” why would Drifter even think of that and bring it up if its not even a thing thats happened agdushshahsjsh

[silk atlas]

Nothing ever happens chuddie

[fast dew]

Yeah i uh. Got sick of Voh's and the admin's shit. So i left. But yeah thats me. What's the explanation tho?

[stiff fable]

to be really accurate they need to be slamming the button on the right

[silk atlas]

The thing I replied too. Cephalons can be made non destructively if the participant is willing

[fast dew]

Interesting. Well that's... good. So where the hell does the random duplicated skull fit in 😭

[silk atlas]

Still dunno that one

[fast dew]

Did loid just want it done

[languid goblet]

Part two

[languid goblet]

Eternal for daddy entrati

[fast dew]

No need to murder a clone of your boyfriend, but now we need to figure out what the skull is for

[stiff fable]

NAILED IT

[fast dew]

It could just be Albrecht's form of love lol

[languid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/it-has-some-aesthetic-qualities-its-has-some-good-qualities-it-looks-aesthetically-pleasing-it-looks-really-nice-it-looks-good-gif-16534914

[fast dew]

Or entrati family members have their skulls cloned

[stiff fable]

oh my god

[fast dew]

Cuz they just like bones

[stiff fable]

I get it

That's the skull they used for Necraloid's casing

[strange turtle]

Intimidation

Normal sensors and faceplate? Boring. Uninspired. Tasteless

A sickass skull? Tasteful. Refined. Benevolent

[fast dew]

Yeah 😭

[stiff fable]

they literally just cloned the skull for it

To be accurate

[languid goblet]

Wait what skull?

[fast dew]

(Benevolently)

[strange turtle]

The skull faceplate Necraloid has

[stiff fable]

Talk to Loid about Dante

[languid goblet]

Oooo

[fast dew]

Thats a copy of Loid's skull

[stiff fable]

He mentions that Dante wanted a close look at the cloned copy of Loid's skull

[strange turtle]

Oh wait you meant the skull skull

[languid goblet]

Yeah I literally assumed it's for aesthetic

[fast dew]

That is probably Loid's replicated skull that he talks about

[languid goblet]

Someone photoshop dark edgy goth/emo albrect

[strange turtle]

Maybe thats the Entrati way of like, honouring people

[fast dew]

Probably is

[strange turtle]

Put their cloned skull on something

[fast dew]

They loved bones

[strange turtle]

Wait would that mean Bonewidow has
Y’know

[fast dew]

They have ossuaries and crypts

[languid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/bone-bb99-holt-captain-raymond-gif-12211325

[fast dew]

They loved bones

[fast dew]

I hope so. That would be sweet.

[strange turtle]

The real reason Petrol was chosen over Quinn

[fast dew]

Male entrati members and putting their lovers skulls on shit they like™

[strange turtle]

He shared in the appreciation for Bones

[fast dew]

Need to put Euleria in trad goth shit actually

[languid goblet]

Cuddling your partner and admiring them from above, 'you have a great skull babe'

[languid goblet]

Nah nu goth I feel would suit better

[fast dew]

This is probably something that both Euleria and Albrecht said to their partners

[fast dew]

Hh, nah, thats daughter imo

Trad or romantic goth is definitely Mother

[proper sundial]

new thing to add to those tumblr polls of “which one of these things didnt happen in warframe”:

||you commit a school shooting but you’re lowkey right about it||

[languid goblet]

That is euleria right?

[strange turtle]

Albrecht ragebaiting the wifegivers when he didn’t like her that much by complaining about her skull

[fast dew]

Mhm

[languid goblet]

Oh wait yeah I gitcha

Kaeli

[fast dew]

OHH

Yeah kaeli is daughter, Mother is Euleria/gomaitru

[languid goblet]

Yis

[fast dew]

I see trad goth as more of a motherly thing, maybe cuz the woman i was raised by was one?

[analog swan]

I ship Fibonacci x Kaeli, she loves her fish, so it would work.

[fast dew]

Do not the fish

[languid goblet]

honestly i think its the dreads thats making me see nu goth

[fast dew]

I have mixed feelings about the entrati hair

[languid goblet]

add it to the list of orokin crimes

[fast dew]

So very clearly dreads/locs but on... white people.

[languid goblet]

well

blue

[analog swan]

blue

[stiff fable]

it's okay, as a family, they stole African bodies

[languid goblet]

but i know what you mean

[fast dew]

Like Ballas' was not the same

[stiff fable]

Wait, that's worse

[analog swan]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-da-ba-dee-eiffel65-gif-14330492

[fast dew]

Thats so much worse

That means they removed the ethnic features of those people 😭

[strange turtle]

They stole europan bodies*

[stiff fable]

something something, the true horror of zombies is that the work doesn't end when you're dead

[strange turtle]

Now it’s, slightly better

[languid goblet]

they have paid for the crimes by being stuck in them forver as mushrooms

[fast dew]

Flowers

[stiff fable]

flesh-buds

[fast dew]

They're flowers, grotesque ones, but flowers nonetheless

[earnest sapphire]

Bro what

[stiff fable]

oh man easiest layup ever

[strange turtle]

Unfortunately they weren’t lucky enough to be integrated (benevolently) into the Undermind

[stiff fable]

Fibonacci was Kaelli's pet goldnorg originally

[fast dew]

Loid would love Euleria no matter her form methinks

[stiff fable]

Then Albrecht flushed it down the voidlet

[swift gyro]

How did umbra excalibur able to ´´refuse´´ the trasnference when we first get him? and how does the transference work for the warframes? when we first get him, he goes crazy and we appear a few steps in front of him invisible

[fast dew]

Albrecht stole it 💔

Like he does for a lot of shit

The fact Albrecht probably stole cars

[languid goblet]

hes the first attempt and still has his own mind

[stiff fable]

Technically any Warframe can reject transference

[analog swan]

Then we have answer to "Can the Orokin ever be forgiven." A big fat no, no orokin can be forgiven for stealing his granddaughter fish and flushing it

[stiff fable]

Umbra is "just" much more awake than most Warframes

[strange turtle]

Truly, one of the worst of all crimes

[languid goblet]

well the ones we use were never people since the replicas of the originals

[loud oriole]

this, plus even arthur during the prelude to 1999 felt someone else in his head and cast us out

[strange turtle]

Roathe must be saving bringing it up for last, when the family and Loid reunite

[swift gyro]

u mean that he is like an ´´proto´´? proto are the first version of an warframe right?

[stiff fable]

there's still something there

[strange turtle]

Protos are the step before full warframisation

[stiff fable]

That's why your Warframe wakes up during the Second Dream to destroy War and banish Hunhow

[fast dew]

Tbf most people who've buried their hamster have probably buried it alive. Hamsters apparently hibernate.

[humble sierra]

Have you finished the quest? Umbra is able to reject the transference because he's ||been driven insane by the rage from the one memory he has, of Ballas forcing him to kill his own son||

[swift gyro]

wait really? but the warframes we craft (in universe) they can have consience?

[languid goblet]

i thought that was lingering transference

[fast dew]

I can't remember how to spell hamster

[strange turtle]

They came a good while after the creation of warframe’s, just technically before because time travel

[fast dew]

I keep spelling it hampter

Bcs of hampter Albrecht

[stiff fable]

nope, the Warframe is proving the point that a Warframe is more than just an empty shell

[humble sierra]

That's the lore for why they all have unique animations, their original personalities are still there

[languid goblet]

fair

[stiff fable]

(also it's "conscious" not conscience)

[analog swan]

Muscle memory

[stiff fable]

and the infested hivemind

[strange turtle]

The warframes we craft don’t (aside from a certain someone) , only like fragments of their mind

But yeah

[swift gyro]

i didnt see that, i mean, i though warframes were like armours and humans (drifter and operator) could use by using transference ( i think transference is an void power?)

[stiff fable]

they're much more than that

The infested hivemind goes beyond space and time

[humble sierra]

Transference is something anyone can do really, but it comes more naturally to the Tenno

[swift gyro]

english isnt my original langauge, i am portguese btw.

[strange turtle]

Originally a void power, replicable by tech

[languid goblet]

its like if your armour had some amount of sentience

[stiff fable]

Meaning every Warframe is connected to its original

[stiff fable]

bienvenidos

[humble sierra]

The Warframes are humans too, but transformed by serums

[analog swan]

A food for thought, does the infestation 'store' memories of original warframes? what if those could be extracted and inserted into rebuilt frames like Jade? 🤔

[swift gyro]

? u must be kidding i assume.

[strange turtle]

Wait is this what Drifter is telling Roathe about in that one KIM?

[fast dew]

Hampter Albrecht

[stiff fable]

is joke lol

[strange turtle]

Haven’t read it yet but saw a bit of it

[humble sierra]

So the Tenno are able to transfer into them and soothe them

[stiff fable]

extrapolation

[hollow trench]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSTJulkDyQQ/?igsh=dWtla2FvajJ2c2U2

this is interesting

princessjoyce704

Was that The Lotus or the Man in the Wall speaking ? 🤔 #warframe #warframecommunity #warframetheoldpeace

Instagram

[stiff fable]

Because Lizzie (the infested guitar) is in fact connected to herself in different alternate pasts and futures

[swift gyro]

as fas as i know, warframes are ´´upgrades´´ of an proto frame like arthur, temple ( which he send a message finding strange that there is an other version of him ( the actual warframe temple) with another lizzie)

[loud oriole]

second one reminds me of Teshin being held by Erra

[stiff fable]

no, incorrect

[strange turtle]

Nope

[swift gyro]

then what language does brazil speak?

[fast dew]

I need to draw this actually holy shit

[stiff fable]

portuguese my dude, I already said I was joking

[fast dew]

Gotta wait a few more days

[swift gyro]

just to be sure.

[strange turtle]

As I just said, Protoframes are a “step” before full on Warframes.

You get a guy, give them The Warframe Juice, stop the transformation before it completes. Bam, a Protoframe

[swift gyro]

So, what is the diference betwen an proto frame,warframe and prime warframes?

[analog swan]

Gold

[stiff fable]

Primes are the luxury car versions of Warframes

[fast dew]

Well. Its not "stop the transformation" its more "slow the transformation"

[hollow trench]

Primes are like luxury models
Warframes are production models and photo frames are like the concept

[swift gyro]

made by orokins?

[stiff fable]

You go in to buy a Warframe bodyguard and Ballas upsells you on the one with the luxury windows

[languid goblet]

primes are also supposed to be originals right

[stiff fable]

ALL Warframes are made by the Orokin, prime and not

[fast dew]

Nup, not all of them.

[loud oriole]

pulling up to the hex in my red Gauss Prime with Ferrari badges on it

[strange turtle]

A prime warframe is just a warframe with even better tech and a fancy shell

[stiff fable]

no

[hollow trench]

Qorvex is made by albrecht

[stiff fable]

Same tech, but leather seats

[swift gyro]

and who made the concept? albrencht?

[stiff fable]

And Albrecht is an Orokin

[analog swan]

@languid goblet wouldn't make sense with JadeShadows, since Jade wasn't a prime

[strange turtle]

Albrech is Orokin

[stiff fable]

Ballas

[fast dew]

Designed. Not made. And Albrecht is still a orokin

[stiff fable]

Ballas created the first Warframes, Albrecht copied his work to design Qorvex

[fast dew]

Ehhh

I still think Albrecht went to ballas for Qorvex

[swift gyro]

would ballas be considered an god then?

[stiff fable]

He thinks so, yes

But ALL Orokin think of themselves as gods

[languid goblet]

well we dont have prime jade yet 😂

[fast dew]

Cept for Albrecht for some reason

[stiff fable]

Because for most intents and purposes they were

[analog swan]

Join Ballas cult today, pray to his big hand

[hollow trench]

I feel like albrecht don’t fit the mold as orokin go. But it’s true nonetheless.

I don’t consider him to be like ballas or tuvul or nitokh

[strange turtle]

Well yeah but it had to have been like, halted at a point before it slows down, right? The way it sounds the protos didn’t exactly transform bit by bit

[fast dew]

Thats just narmer

[strange turtle]

He doesn’t, but ultimately he still is one

[swift gyro]

then they are just an bunch of aliens that think they are good bcs they are immortal?

[languid goblet]

loid is also orokin

[stiff fable]

They were humans

[strange turtle]

Humans

[hollow trench]

Narmer ? I don’t even know her!

[analog swan]

So true 🤣 also, why is DE obsessed with hands? Ballas has big hand, Parvos has gold hand...

[fast dew]

They are still transforming actually. It seems that the loop doesn't fully contain it.

[strange turtle]

Nope, just an Orokin’s lover and servant

[fast dew]

Nah, just a regular manservant. Made to serve Archimedians.

[strange turtle]

Yes, as I just said I mean before it slows down

[stiff fable]

The Orokin were rich and famous humans who figured out how to become immortal

So they did and took over Earth

[swift gyro]

ballas is an orokin and orokin are human?

[languid goblet]

no hes orokin because hes frome that time, roathe calls him an orokin im sure

[fast dew]

Oh you mean orokin era person

[languid goblet]

roathe calls him orokin

[fast dew]

He is from the orokin era, but he isn't a orokin

He aint, you might be thinking about Albrecht

[analog swan]

that's one thing that puzzles me, the war within suggests KUVA is connected to wally but that is necessary for immortality

[strange turtle]

It had to have been going at the normal speed and then stop doing that, because otherwise they would’ve just had like, a frame leg and went from there

[stiff fable]

the same way you're a member of your religion, nationality and ethnicity, the Orokin were members of the Orokin caste and racial group

[hollow trench]

Since the warframes can have archon shards inserted in them do u think they emit radiation naturally

[fast dew]

Hello to you too

[strange turtle]

It’s a substance with Void properties, which is how it “conducts consciousness”

[stiff fable]

interesting question, probably not?

[swift gyro]

didnt used the right one. but, orokin isnt an race but they are an ´´religion´´?

[stiff fable]

I think the radiation is (mostly) absorbed into the Warframe, like when Lotus consumes the shards

[analog swan]

yeah but there was no void study OR void properties prior to Albrechts journey, so I always assumed there was no continuity before Albrechts discovery

[strange turtle]

They’re a Caste/Class

[fast dew]

They're a caste

[stiff fable]

They'd studied the void, just didn't think there was anything to it

[analog swan]

yeah it is logical though I always figured out they got kuva from wally's finger 🤔

[strange turtle]

Consider
They had Kuva
Didn’t know Void stuff
So didn’t know about how it had the properties

[stiff fable]

Anyway, so:
Warframes: supertech supersoldiers
Prime Warframes: LUXURY supertech supersoldiers
Protoframes: People who have been mostly Warframe'd

https://tenor.com/view/princess-mostly-dead-slightly-alive-the-princess-bride-gif-15503255

[hollow trench]

I did the math on qorvex and his crucible would have to have an element that’s atomically 3x heavier than uranium or plutonium

[fast dew]

So if loid wanted to, he could've just become one if he married Albrecht. But he didn't. Their relationship seemed to be seen as taboo

[stiff fable]

probably more tbh

[hollow trench]

For him to nuke enemies

[stiff fable]

The issue is that the Orokin have alchemy

[fast dew]

Are we counting enriched or raw elements?

[stiff fable]

Which blends principles into elements too

[analog swan]

Did we ever get origins of Kuva? On how it came to be?

[stiff fable]

not yet

[fast dew]

Nup, but it does predate wally iirc

[stiff fable]

That should be part of this arc

[hollow trench]

I’d say like uranium 237?

[analog swan]

What if it's just wally's blood from the finger then?

[stiff fable]

can't be

[fast dew]

If it predates wally, it wouldn't be

[strange turtle]

Pre finger and pre-wally

[swift gyro]

dang. if warframe story had a movie, i would expect at least 10

[stiff fable]

The Orokin had continuity centuries or milennia before Albrecht opened his void portal

[strange turtle]

It also just randomly pops up in clouds so like

[hollow trench]

Kiva would be a foundational thing most likely

Like how elements are

[analog swan]

but it is clearly connected to the void somehow, since the war within would suggest that

[stiff fable]

though, uhh, the Orokin also technically had access to time travel

Soooooooo maybe a small bootstrap paradox

[strange turtle]

Yes. The connection is in it’s properties. Doesn’t mean it has to originate from it, or a specific thing from it

[swift gyro]

also, about the topic time travel, who else have besides orokin,albrencht and kaya (she does have right?)

[fast dew]

The void existed way back in 1999, way back in xx99

[misty salmon]

the care the writers have taken to avoid bootstrapping in other aspects of the lore suggests that there's a technical limitation there.

[analog swan]

Possibly yes, but unless we get actual info about Kuva, then yeah. But you are right, I guess kuva was a thing before Albrecht journey

[stiff fable]

Through Protea, Parvos Granum has it

[fast dew]

Also here's some food for this chat.

How does void work in 1999 when there's no heart at that current time?

[hollow trench]

Also I have a feeling about the lotus

She’s super hesitant regarding Wally, like something about the fact she doesn’t say much about him feels off

Like of all people who would know something for sure she seems like a valid candidate

[eager dragon]

Yeah, although it's not really... "real" time travel I wouldn't say.

[fast dew]

I don't trust the lotus

[swift gyro]

protea? the warframe?

[stiff fable]

correct

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[stiff fable]

Her 4 controls time

[fast dew]

Parvos seemed to have stolen it from the entrati family

[stiff fable]

It's how the end of Deadlock Protocol happens

[hollow trench]

Just a thought but I would wager she has made a deal of some type and she can’t back out just like us. Essentially dug a grave

[languid goblet]

i thought it was gifteed to him

[analog swan]

Wsan't Protea Prime trailer explain about protea and her abilities?

[stiff fable]

We're about to go into Parvos's safehouse and elminate him, and Protea reverses time to make it so that Parvos never breaks out

[analog swan]

Parvos 'purchased' Protea from Ballas, technically

[stiff fable]

how Parvos had her built, specifically

[fast dew]

She was, but the tech likely wasnt.

[analog swan]

Ballas created protea for parvos, I assumed it was some sort of deal between the two

[fast dew]

It was. "Child of two fathers" yeah i see you parvos

"My desire is well known to you" YEAH OKAY PARVOS

[analog swan]

"The Entrati violated time and I have violated them" - Parvos.

[stiff fable]

the deal was that Parvos had enough money to forcibly buy a custom Warframe from Ballas

[fast dew]

Insert ballas/parvos fanart

Its actually delicious looking

[languid goblet]

nah fanart of parvos favouring protea as a child over Nef

[hollow trench]

Could you imagine the down payment for that sucker?

[analog swan]

Would any money be enough to buy off one of Executors? Ballas was too high up the ladder for that to just be bought with money. I think it might have been something else, like the knowledge Entrati had or something (Parvos does know Void tongue)

[strange turtle]

Aside from the Orokin I’m fairly certain the Archimedeans, Dax and maybe Lorists (Identical twin healers) were considered castes, and the Tenno are also referred to as one

Grineer were likely a bottom-rung caste, though maybe they weren’t formalised like that

There was also a full blown society beneath the Orokin too, with wealthy people, poor people, merchants with whole big ships like the Orokin-era Ostrons and who knows what else, so there were probably a bunch more for them too

[hollow trench]

The apr on a Warframe

[fast dew]

Absolutely

[stiff fable]

Parvos managed it

It's one of the reasons the Orokin hated him

[strange turtle]

Unfortunately thats uh, quite far from the devs intentions for her

[stiff fable]

He just made that much money

The Orokin couldn't ignore him

And uhhh yeah she's based on a middle eastern maid

that's why her base form has the veil

[hollow trench]

It’s like walking into a dealership with gold bars for clothes

[humble sierra]

Protea's file name is Odalisk

[fast dew]

Odalisk?

Like. Necralisk...

[analog swan]

still seems far fetched that Ballas created Protea for money, I think there was more to it. Besides if board of corpus could assassinate Parvos, the orokin could do so most likely if they wished it. Hard to say what their deal really was and what parvos really paid ballas with for protea

[fast dew]

Entrati brain worms

[humble sierra]

No, very different

[fast dew]

Help me

[strange turtle]

Turkish concubine/servant woman

Don’t search it up without blur on if you don’t wanna see naked woman

[stiff fable]

they didn't want to though

[fast dew]

Thank you for the warning 😭

[stiff fable]

He was useful

[fast dew]

If i aint prepared for it, that shit does make me feel really sick

[strange turtle]

I didn’t realise it myself and accidentally posted a screenshot with the image in 😭

[languid goblet]

new discussion why is the Cavia sidebar link a C.u.k chair

[fast dew]

... thats one of Albrecht's chairs

[analog swan]

That or when parvos said "Entrati violate time and I in turn have violated them" he was already in posession of something from the Entrati family that Ballas would desire

[fast dew]

Its used at desks

[misty salmon]

The corpus were doing a lot of war profiteering making other weapons for the Orokin. There could have been elements of the late nobility going on there where the merchant elite had gained enough control over the actual economy that they could exert real pressure.

[fast dew]

Ballas already talks to the entrati family members

Well, Albrecht at the very least

[stiff fable]

Ballas didn't want it though

The Orokin were very hierarchical

[analog swan]

Parvos always struck me as someone who exploits the desires of others to profit

[stiff fable]

They didn't mess with each other's stuff

He does

[fast dew]

He is exactly that

[stiff fable]

But Ballas didn't want time travel tech

[fast dew]

He's a loan shark.

[humble sierra]

Pretty sure that's one of the Tenets

"You shall give Parvos everything"

[analog swan]

But I think Ballas wanted Entrati secrets, ones that he might have suspected that Albrecht never shared with him

[fast dew]

He's hypocritical to his criticisms of Nef

[stiff fable]

Again, he didn't

In all his time on screen he never made a single play towards anything Entrati

[fast dew]

Albrecht probably gave ballas something for the helminth strains he has

[humble sierra]

Ballas did not care about the Void that much

[analog swan]

It is simple logic, Albrecht and Ballas talked but I doubt Albrecht shared everything with Ballas, the orokin never trusted each other.

[stiff fable]

Up to and including Deimos itself when he literally conquered the entire Origin System

[stiff fable]

yes but again

Ballas never did a single thing that indicates it

His entire interaction with Parvos is Parvos saying "build me this robot that I paid for"

[humble sierra]

Tbf for all he knew, Deimos was just an infested hellscape with nothing of value, and the infestation wouldn't be susceptible to Veils and I'm pretty sure they're a hard counter to Sentients

[stiff fable]

and we know the Orokin hated the Corpus because the Corpus had all the money

[eager dragon]

Which Parvos designed anyways, from what I understood.

[analog swan]

True, I am making a hypothesis here however, that if Parvos had "violated entrati' it might refer to their knowledge so it might be something Ballas would desire, hence it could be an item of the trade as per tenets of corpus

[stiff fable]

But as far as we're aware it wasn't

Parvos just had that much money

[analog swan]

true, we do not know what the item of trade was, only that deal to make protea existed

[harsh sparrow]

Just finished Jade Shadows, so is ||Bioplasma|| and ||Chortichrome|| just one-off items for that quest alone? I don't remember them from anywhere before and I feel like they prob won't show up again, which is kinda disappointing

[humble sierra]

Basically Parvos was Rebb and told Ballas (Pablo) what to do

[humble sierra]

Just lore things we learn can heal Warframes

They're probably fancier names for Bile, Oxides etc.

[stiff fable]

fwiw that's probably what the Helminth infirmary makes to--yeah exactly

[harsh sparrow]

I wonder if it would've been possible to save her if Stalker had let her be plugged into the Helminth or something

[eager dragon]

Probably not.

[analog swan]

to be fair, its a bit of missed opportunity, it would be cool mechanic if we had random stalker OR jade show up

[eager dragon]

Not without scrapping and somehow merging the power source of another frame into Jade.

[stiff fable]

by design, no

[eager dragon]

Assuming that is even possible.

[harsh sparrow]

Isn't that just Subsuming

[stiff fable]

Warframes all had a single energy source, and Jade spent a thousand years transfering it to her child

[harsh sparrow]

Wait no, that's just a fragment of it, not the whole thing right

[strange turtle]

Bioplasma is a lore reveal of what you use to heal/revive other frames

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-helminth-ability-infusion-helminth-segment-ember-gif-22594951

[harsh sparrow]

Jesus, didn't realize it was for that long

[stiff fable]

so it was her or the child only

[humble sierra]

RIP Sirion

[stiff fable]

Oh, go check out Teshin in the relay

[analog swan]

Theory: Does Helmnith archive memories of the original warframes? I mean, we DO rebuild umbra.

[strange turtle]

Though IIRC in an old quest Lotus mentions “revive systems” so ig thats how our frame revives without others/after timer

[humble sierra]

From before Night of the Naga Drums through to Jade Shadows

[harsh sparrow]

Speaking of Umbra
Not gonna lie I'm disappointed he just got sidelined after the Sacrifice quest

[stiff fable]

not a single Warframe has been plot relevant since their introduction

[harsh sparrow]

Despair

[stiff fable]

beyond the intial trio in Duviri

[analog swan]

Sadly, yeah

[eager dragon]

Yeah, but Umbra also had the special Transference bolt so... maybe?

[stiff fable]

nah

[analog swan]

Don't all frames have transference bolts?

[humble sierra]

Wonder when the Hex will be plot relevant again

[stiff fable]

No

[strange turtle]

I’m personally holding out on him getting something minor like, little idle stuff around the Orbiter one day, but at the same time I wouldn’t actually bet on it

[hollow trench]

I take umbra on every story quest

Homie gets a ticket to all destinations

[stiff fable]

Ballas installed a transference bolt so he could talk in Umbra's head

[humble sierra]

Canonically he does

[pale cedar]

Old Peace says no

[hollow trench]

Unfortunately

[strange turtle]

Even just as like, a purchasable decoration like the Domestik drones

[analog swan]

Ah, makes sense

[harsh sparrow]

I mean, Ordis did call to him second in JS
So I guess it's implied he does his own stuff, we just don't see it

[humble sierra]

1999 too

[strange turtle]

Yeah thats what I meant, like actually getting to see some of that

Him playing on the shawzin or doing like, Dax kata

Maybe meditating or petting a Kubrow/kavat

That kind of thing