lore-discussion

[gusty yacht]

It seems convenient that they didnt have a seedbank of the xenoflora

[obtuse vine]

planned

[gusty yacht]

I think they just dumped them

[eager dragon]

The Orokin/Anarchs clearly were. /j

[loud oriole]

-# unless you are an orokin
ender you beat me to it

[gusty yacht]

Isnt tau a system and not a planet?

[obtuse vine]

yes

[eager dragon]

I think it's both.

[obtuse vine]

perrita is the moon we were on

i think

[eager dragon]

The system is called Tau, but there is probably also a planet named Tau.

Assuming the Drifter is even partially to be trusted.

[silver lintel]

Roathe’s chats reveal that not many Orokin got to Tau before all the events went down.

I think it’s fairly realistic that they didn’t have a seed bank set up

[gusty yacht]

So when we explore Tau do we get planets or a planet

[pale cedar]

If it’s Xenoflora you can be Xenophobic

[obtuse vine]

thts why im hoping tht next year we get a new star chart

[silver lintel]

The quest shows Tau and its many moons, so it’s likely all of them

[eager dragon]

(Although I heavily disagree with the Drifter's assessment of Wally. I don't care who DE sends he's a conceptual embodiment!)

[obtuse vine]

u can be xenophobic to anything if u try hard enough i suppose

[gusty yacht]

They said the rest of the update comes next year

Thats why we cant wall run

[obtuse vine]

yes we go to tau next year

[obtuse vine]

thts different to the tau update

[eager dragon]

Wall running was delayed. Tau was always planned to be next year.

[obtuse vine]

there'll probably be an echoes update at the start of the year and at the end of they year we go to tau

[pale cedar]

There’s players assuming DE will automatically give us tons of planets straight away when not even the Origin System was built up that way

[silver lintel]

I think it’s more likely to line up around Tennocon

[eager dragon]

I hope it's going to be 3 with around 3-5 nodes each, with one new gamemode per planet/moon.

I dunno why these numbers, just seems right.

[pale cedar]

Less they give the more they can expand later

[silver lintel]

Frankly speaking, The Old Peace isn’t big enough, it’s more the size of an echoes update….

Old Peace was announced to be 2026, so I hope it makes it around Tennocon

[gusty yacht]

I wonder if its going to be past or present that we get to see tau

[eager dragon]

Rebb said present.

[pale cedar]

Present day

We’ve already seen it in the past so the only way forward is present

[silver lintel]

(It’s big enough because of the Operator rework for sure)

I just mean lore-wise

[eager dragon]

I just want more Narmer content.

Atleast more Railjack content was confirmed.

[pale cedar]

Update seems big enough for me

[eager dragon]

That's already progress.

(Narmer Railjack nodes when DE?)

[obtuse vine]

ok so timeline
-sentients go to tau
-sentients gain sentience through the xenoflora bloom
-sentients and the orokin go to war
-ballas somehow ends up in charge of the tau system (possibly because he was somewhat friendly with both the warmonger and peaceful executors
-old peace happens
-tenno gets put into the dream
-margulis gets glassed
-ballas defects and snitches to hunhow
-hunhow sends a sentient mimic to spy on the orokin and take control of the tenno
-war wages on
-naga drums signal both the orokin winning the war and the tenno assassination of the orokins
-BIG SLEEP
-present

[eager dragon]

Xenoflora happens after the war starts.

[pale cedar]

Echoes updates only really add a new node or mission to a location

[eager dragon]

It's cited as the reason the truce happened.

As Margulis was never glassed.

[obtuse vine]

so thenw hy did the war start if the sentients werent sentient

[eager dragon]

It wad the Jade Light.

[eager dragon]

The hivemind was Sentient.

[obtuse vine]

i thought those 2 were one and the same

[silver lintel]

Story-wise? If you line it up against things like The Hex, and Whispers?

It felt rather short

[eager dragon]

The individual Sentients only became autonomous due to the Xenoflora.

[pale cedar]

Jade Light is actually seen as the better punishment in Orokin society

[silver lintel]

But I definitely think Roathe’s KIM is gonna drop a lot more lore

[eager dragon]

The Xenoflora "shared" the sentience between the Sentients.

For a lack of a better term.

[eager dragon]

No.

Glassing turned you into a Cephalon.

[pale cedar]

Feels about the same to me

[eager dragon]

The Jade Light simply destroyed/burned you to death.

[hollow siren]

"Amar! Amar!"

and the name above Amar's dialogue subtitles

[silver lintel]

Turning into a Cephalon was also pure agony, if you go by Suda’s accounts

[pale cedar]

Orokin society 3 known punishments

Warframing

Glassing

Jade Light

[obtuse vine]

shhhhhhh

[eager dragon]

And according to Roathe glassing was probably the worst.

[obtuse vine]

huh, idk how but all this time my brain decided they were the same thing

[hollow siren]

And being chased down by Kavats, according to Roathe

[hollow siren]

yep cause it technically doesn't kill you

[eager dragon]

I must have missed that, when is this mentioned, lol.

[hollow siren]

Descendia

[eager dragon]

Even worse, it lets the Orokin modify your memories.

[hollow siren]

says they used to release Kavats to chase down convicts

[eager dragon]

Honestly this one sounds kind of funny.

Cruel, but funny.

[hollow siren]

Modern Grineer do it with Drahks

[eager dragon]

"Release the lions kavats!"

[hollow siren]

unrelated but Valdur is such a chill guy I wanna bring him to the present

He's homies with the 'Sents

[pale cedar]

Grineer only do it to kill Infestation don’t they rather than punishment

[obtuse vine]

i feel like it was way more dense though.
alot of sentient lore
orokin politics
commandeered warframes (the ascaris)
aidis' left over energy possibly being the reason why we out warframes can self revive (theory)

[eager dragon]

Rhino protoframe when?

[loud oriole]

rhino protoframe is just 'The Mountain'

[obtuse vine]

ah i know why they got lumped together in my mind. I probably remembered nora talk about the jade light and getting glassed they they got mixed up

[silver lintel]

Yeah I see your point. It is ALOT more new information that we weren’t hinted at before.

[hollow siren]

yeah I also mixed them up before dw

[north jolt]

When we're ready to handle such great THICCNESS (also when it happens, DE should give him a special dialogue when you do an all pink color palette)

[hollow siren]

or just have him like pink cutesy stuff

classic trope of gentle giant

[north jolt]

Yeah

[hollow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-kissy-face-tangled-unicorn-kisses-gif-3993401

[eager dragon]

Would be peak.

[north jolt]

Just a little easter egg of some kind for the pink Rhino fans

[obtuse vine]

rhino protoframe is tht buff korean actor probably

[eager dragon]

I just want my boy Sevagoth to get a protoframe of his own.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159566087059419156/1404936515053686824/sevagoth_prime_my_beloved.gif

[obtuse vine]

proto rhino

[hollow siren]

I saw really cool fanart of proto-Seva where the Shadow's claws were munition belts

idk how they'd handle proto-sev's actual Shadow tho, both visually and lore-wise. Maybe have it be more a manifestation of the Helminth like Lizzie is to Flare

[north jolt]

Actually him being based on a sumo wrestler would be a neat lore idea

[pale cedar]

Grendel Proto would be better sumo wrestler

[eager dragon]

That would probably make the most amount of sense.

I guess they could make it several people in one but that feels more Xaku/Equinox territory.

Actually, I would love to see an Equinox proto.

[hollow siren]

with vitiligo

and/or heterochromia

[obtuse vine]

make it so Proto-sev died and came back to life as the protoframe. one foot in the grave one foot out

[hollow siren]

homophobia in their eyes ❤️

[north jolt]

Realistically I think they're still only sticking to early gen frames/ any that can easily fit into the lore

[hollow siren]

so the Shadow would be him possessing his own body like a revenant (not the warframe)

[pale cedar]

Have it him be bipolar or something

[obtuse vine]

tht would be so cool

[hollow siren]

oh yeah 100%

[north jolt]

Also nobody talking about the possibility of a proto-Nekros

[hollow siren]

proto sevagoth is never happening but it's fun to think about since he's one of the most unique and imo. coolest frames

[loud oriole]

Nokko protoframe is just a Hippie from the 70s

[eager dragon]

Yeah but clearly it's not a rule, more like guidelines. cough Wisp cough

[hollow siren]

should be Viktor for the name alone

[north jolt]

Proto Rhino, Ember and Loki also still red to happen

[obtuse vine]

he got so high he turned into a shroom

[eager dragon]

Watch Proto-Loki never happening.

I swear DE forget of his existence...

[obtuse vine]

seems like it's loki's turn to be at the bottom of the foodchain after the oberon rework

[pale cedar]

DE already said they aren’t adding new Protos unless it makes sense to add them

[north jolt]

She's not early gen, but clearly DE found a way to fit her into the overall proto lore. Maybe far into the future they do the same for Sev somehow but I wouldn't bet on it

[north jolt]

Sadge

[hollow siren]

I'm still not a huge fan of Wisp as the nun, feels more like she got picked for popularity and ass memes

[obtuse vine]

idk, theyre kinda already pushing it with the XX99 protoframes

[eager dragon]

Too bad Pablo said they aren't reworking him...

[obtuse vine]

100% its for the ass

[loud oriole]

yeaaah maaan, this serum that old geezer who talks in monotone gave me started making me see these lil mushroom dudes, maaaan.

next thing you know, I'm the lil mushroom dude, craziest trip of my life dude

[obtuse vine]

omg its shaggy

[pine orchid]

fellow sevagoth enjoyer............ personally I envision him to be super edgy/emo that'll give arthur (and maybe lyon idk him yet) a run for his money

[eager dragon]

Rework wise Chroma is probably next.

Or Banshee.

[obtuse vine]

they also said they rnt gonna rework chroma 😔

[eager dragon]

Since they, with Limbo and Loki (which are very unlikely to happen) were the most requested.

[eager dragon]

Huh, when did that happen?

I must have missed it.

[obtuse vine]

people kept asking them during livestreams and devshorts and theyve been consistent with not reworking him anytime soon

[formal granite]

is there any indication as to whether there were any actual orokin on board the zariman

[eager dragon]

Banshee, then, probably.

[eager dragon]

Almost certainly no.

[obtuse vine]

considering the only orokin presence we see in the zariman is audio recordings and holograms id bet on no

[eager dragon]

I guess not entirely out of the question but it's safe to assume there weren't any.

[obtuse vine]

they 100% knew tht ship was cooked

[hollow siren]

Highest in command was Quinn and Yonta, and neither of them are Orokin

they were among the highest non-Orokin castes tho

[pale cedar]

Not until Albrecht

[formal granite]

i see
thanks yall 👍

[hollow siren]

an extremely gay man to honour Liger

with like "Wraith" as his callsign or something

[pine orchid]

my boy sevagoth is SERVING

[hollow siren]

(Wraith was the original name for Sevagoth's concept)

[pine orchid]

I put Dante's noble animation on him

[hollow siren]

Ass so solid it's hardtack

[pine orchid]

can't get more edgy than that, Arthur doesn't even have a cool callsign besides like idk Nightingale and that's just his name

[eager dragon]

Only Grendel compares.

[hollow siren]

tbf having Nightingale as your surname is extremely edgy

[pine orchid]

that's fair XD

[hollow siren]

while I'm not the biggest fan of Sevagoth Prime's design in a vacuum, it is imo. the best of all the primes in terms of connecting the prime design to the base design
Base looks like an eroded/mummified corpse of the Prime, which could very well be that his body and Shadow were eroded by the Void like the Tempestarii was

[obtuse vine]

GAAAHHHHHHDAYUUUMMMM

[formal granite]

im thinking about if there is any way a lore accurate orokin tenno would work but i do not think so

[hollow siren]

not really, no

[obtuse vine]

theyd have to be on the ship so yeah probably no

[hollow siren]

none of the Tenno were Orokin from the start, and I heavily doubt a Tenno would be allowed to become Orokin if they were even willing

[obtuse vine]

you could say a rebelious orokin teen managed to sneak onto the ship

to spite their orokin parents

[pine orchid]

YEAH!! I noticed too I specifically looked and his spur thingies also look connected between base and prime, with the base like snapped/eroded partway or smth
I personally like Sevagoth Prime's design (aside from the hair curlers) mostly because of his hat and how fancy he looks

[formal granite]

oooh true that is a good idea

[pale cedar]

Orokin sent people who wouldn’t matter to Tau Orokin class would be considered too important to send

[hollow siren]

yeah the first Orokin to go beyond Sol was that Executor who took the Sol-Tau Rail's maiden voyage

[obtuse vine]

since we're on the topic of the ship zariman. i noticed tht one of the locations we go to in the quest was the zariman five something

and they called it a world seeder i believe

[hollow siren]

yep

[obtuse vine]

so is it safe to assume the zariman ten zero is also that

a world seeder

[hollow siren]

seems "Zariman" was the classification for all Tau expeditionary ships

[hollow siren]

the Ten-Zero was a colonist ship

[formal granite]

my newly blue operator has good drip so i might as well wrangle some lore together on how that'd happen, and i think it's an interesting concept to explore

[hollow siren]

the Five-something was a World-seeder

[pine orchid]

a lil more tasteful, I think 😝

[obtuse vine]

I see

[hollow siren]

we do see the same type of interior as the Orbiter has

so maybe the Orbiter is a Zariman-class vessel too

[obtuse vine]

still huge dumpy

[pine orchid]

~~wait why is it like 1 second, I recorded like 13 whole seconds........ oh well 😔 ~~

[obtuse vine]

this is true thought tht might just be what most ship internals looked like for the time

[hollow siren]

alt-tabbed or had a different recording

[obtuse vine]

I do love the idea of Zariman being a ship manufacturer type deal

[pine orchid]

I didn't though... I used the windows screen record feature
but eh it's whatever you get the idea XD

[loud oriole]

wish I were at home so I could drop my Sevagoth fashion

[hollow siren]

I wish his deluxe wasn't bugged still

arm and jellyfish shoulder glow white regardless of your emissives and energy

[pine orchid]

that's unintentional? qwq I ended up fashioning his deluxe to be like gold and glowing blue

[loud oriole]

i mean i incorporated it into my fashion, since the deluxe made me think of a souls-boss

[hollow siren]

yeah in all the promo pics it's blue

something to do with the "new" lighting engine

[eager dragon]

Anyone remember in which interview did they confirm that Alad V is alive?

Trying to find it but there are so many post-tennocon interview.

[pale cedar]

Most recent Alad thing there is iirc

[eager dragon]

I'm like 99% sure there was some confirmation of his survival post-Tennocon. The exact wording was something like "alad v is still out there" or something like that. Hmm, weird.

Which of the interviews had the confirmation regarding the Zariman coming after the Sentients?

[dire current]

I am fully willing to bet Alad is still alive. Just is more a matter of time for when he shows up again... My bet is that it'll be with Tau or something related.

[eager dragon]

Ok, looking back at the history of this chat, it was in a stream.

Bruh, now to find the specific one.

Sorry for the ping, do you happen to remember which stream this was in?

[dark compass]

They said on stream that he is

He went into hiding after the new war

[hollow trench]

Can someone go to builds and help ya boy out cause I am struggling😔

Also I was hyped to see the kaithes in the campaign ngl

Horsie 🙂

[eager dragon]

Which stream though.

I know it happened.

I just can't for the life of me remember which one.

[dark compass]

That is the nature of dev streams

[eager dragon]

(Of the very many, many pre and post tennocon streams)

[dark compass]

This was post tennocon

[eager dragon]

But it was a devstream, right?

That narrows it down.

[dark compass]

It was a weekly one I think

[eager dragon]

Devshort?

[dark compass]

Wait no

@eager dragon I've found it

https://youtube.com/watch?v=C0p5kJMGAWk

It was a tactical potato interview all along

I ran through reddit with the search "Alad V" and sorted by latest until I found the summary post

[eager dragon]

I tried to do that and couldn't for the life of me find it.

Granted I was doing it on mobile

Which was definitly not helping, lol

[dark compass]

I did that on mobile as well

Either way, here it is

[eager dragon]

Oh, I had it set to relevance instead of new, that's why I couldn't find it.

[dark compass]

Aww

Happens

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-pet-cat-cat-pet-cute-cat-gif-24810247

[brittle siren]

"Ah transference, what a gift Margulis gave us" - Roathe when we leave him

[eager dragon]

I'm assuming he is talking about Transference Therapy, which was developed by Margulis to help the Tenno interact with others with out the risk of killing/maiming them.

Which was then weaponised by the Orokin.

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[brittle siren]

but he said that when we hop out of a warframe though

[pale cedar]

We had the ability specifically innately

[brittle siren]

if it just therapy then why he mentioned it (also a lot of his voiceline stated he does not like when we hop in and out)

[eager dragon]

"Which was then weaponised by the Orokin"

It was inteneded as a way for the Tenno to interact with others with no risk of harm, but was then used by the Orokin to control the warframes after they found out it was possible.

See: The Silver Grove and the Rhino Prime codex entry.

[brittle siren]

I know that

but what he said could also mean the Tenno was able to do that because of Margulis too

[eager dragon]

The Tenno were almost certainly capable of doing that innately, what I think actually happened is that Margulis helped the Tenno to control that ability (as with alot of the other Tenno powers).

I doubt that it's 100% due to Margulis.

[brittle siren]

Up until Old Peace quest, it seem like we could only go in warframe (proto still the same kind)

so how did the Orokin even know we could do that innately?

[brazen seal]

rhino codex

[north skiff]

How do the solar rails work?

[pale cedar]

Maybe he’s just assuming Margulis gave it to us or is referring to her helping us to focus our abilities

[eager dragon]

Void Magic

[north skiff]

No like is it a tp point or does it fold space?

[eager dragon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brazen seal]

the answer is yesn't

[pale cedar]

All ships hold, the rail is punching through. Rail charging, continue to hold. Rail over capacity, please divert into holding pattern."

[north skiff]

So fold space

Kind of

[pine orchid]

suppose you can assume it that way because iirc they use void tech too

and void is like... unspace and untime or smth

[pale cedar]

It is just a way to fast travel between rail to rail

[pale cedar]

Railjacks actually work independently of the rail network

[brazen seal]

I'm starting to wonder if what we did in the rhino's codex was even transferece
or did the Tenno just project their consciousness into that wild frame to calm it down

[pale cedar]

It was transference

[vast oyster]

anyone here a big expert on transference lore? i need help understanding something

[pale cedar]

That’s how the Orokin discovered we could do transference

[brazen seal]

I mean
when we do transferece we usually can control whatever
it doesn't seem like we did control the rhino there

just calm it down

[loud oriole]

like we did with Umbra

[pale cedar]

That’s literally the backbone of how transference works

[eager dragon]

Ok, I just listened to one of Roathe's KIM voice messages regarding the Sentients.

Interestingly, it seems to imply that the Sentients, atleast at first, came to war with the Orokin because of... their own programming, in a way?

[pale cedar]

It confirms the Sentients attacked first

[north skiff]

Zairman jump - void accident- teno return to pilot frames- orkin use solar rail to get to tau- then old peace

[eager dragon]

Yes, but it's the reason they attacked that makes it interesting too me.

Atleast, the way it's implied that it was the reason for the attack.

[north skiff]

Do we know what the hive mind is?

[eager dragon]

Hunhow/Praghasa and the like

[pale cedar]

You missed

Sentients created

Orokin got impatient

[eager dragon]

If that's what you mean.

[north skiff]

Ah okay

[eager dragon]

(To my understanding, there may be more I am not aware of yet, I can't wait to go through all of Roathe's dialogue and messages)

[north skiff]

Wait what do you mean sentients created i thought they were from tau?

[eager dragon]

The Orokin made the Sentients

To terraform Tau and build the Solar Rails

[pale cedar]

Sentients were created in the Origin System then sent to Tau where Tauborn Sentients were also then created

[north skiff]

So we never meet tau natives?

[loud oriole]

and then the sentients realized what they were doing and came back with one hell of a grudge

[eager dragon]

The only Tau natives are the Xenoflora

[north skiff]

Huh

[eager dragon]

Which is destroyed by the end of the Old Peace.

[pale cedar]

And the Tauborn Sentients

[north skiff]

Okay so I was missing that

[eager dragon]

Yes, to some degree, but I wouldn't call them "natives".

Not for the sake of this discussion, atleast.

[north skiff]

How will it take me to get liked status with the hex members?

[pale cedar]

Maybe by tomorrow if you’ve been doing it daily

[north skiff]

I haven't touched it at all

[pine orchid]

do their missions, talk to them in kim messenger, depending on whether you have see all messages enabled it might take longer

[pale cedar]

Then maybe around a week

[loud oriole]

also depends on how much you gift stuff to each member since iirc thats a separate factor

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[pine orchid]

but I think I got it in like 2 weeks or so?

[north skiff]

Oh

[pale cedar]

With the Hex there’s many variables

[pine orchid]

oh yeah, if you give them the good gifts

[north skiff]

[pine orchid]

I sucked at figuring out their gifts though, and I had the see all messages before rank up enabled

[pale cedar]

The more gold text you get plus bounties and gifts

So maybe a week if you’re doing it correctly

[loud oriole]

Arthur - cooking
Aoi - music
Quincy - Entrati stuff
Amir - tech/games
Eleanor - writing stuffs
Lettie - medical supplies and general disaster relief stuff

aaaa i misread your message, ah well at least its here for those who haven't become friendly with the hex

[pine orchid]

well see when you say cooking I assumed coffee maker goes to Arthur instead of Lettie

and since Arthur has his beloved motor bike that he doesnt let anyone touch, I thought the gas can goes to him as well

but no, he likes propane tank XD

[loud oriole]

nope, Aoi likes gasoline tho

[pine orchid]

exactly!

it was only later that I learned Aoi is the team mechanic therefore takes the gasoline!

[loud oriole]

i just felt bad gifting lettie copious amounts of plastic cups and stuff lol

[pine orchid]

so... it probably would just be faster to look up a guide for positive responses and gifts XD

I will say it was rlly funny when my friends in vc heard me crying over Arthur out of context saying "nooooo why won't you love meeeee........ here have a propane tank qwq"

[loud oriole]

for sure, only like 3 of them basically flatout tell you stuff they like or in Quincy's case hate

[pale cedar]

Quincy also likes mobile phones

[pine orchid]

Lettie also likes the honkshoomimi stuff (pillow)
Eleanor likes plants

[loud oriole]

Arthur be my friend, here's a brand new microwave, idk how you'll use it out in the field, but take it please!

or the worst one i did, a single pack of pencils for Eleanor.
no notepad, just pencils

[pine orchid]

cardboard boxes for Lettie, but at least thats bc of her rats

[pseudo edge]

And coffee too
Anything coffee for Lettie will make her happy since, y'know, minimum wage worker

Guys
I didn't understand
What did Uriel do to deserve his fate?

[turbid vigil]

i believe the fact that margulis was killed to be a lie made up by the orokin as margulis now speaks as if shes the exact same margulis from then, also the fact the orokin can practically restore anything would allow ballas to restore the eyesight, maybe the orokin altered her body to be more like a sentient or she was a sentient from the very beginning who knows because at this point i am doubting everything that we first thought to truth

or as punishment her consciousness put into natah

if her body truly was hit by jade light

[brazen seal]

margulis and Lotus isn't the same person

we currently have Lotus

[turbid vigil]

i am just extremely doubting after old peace

[eager dragon]

Margulis was executed after the Old Peace, if that's what you are asking.

[turbid vigil]

nope its the radiant in the quest

[turbid vigil]

i am doubting that happened

or if it happened that she truly died

[brazen seal]

[pale cedar]

Why?

[turbid vigil]

the ammount of plot twists and plans ballas has....it scares me

[pale cedar]

But that’s literally not a plot twist in the quest

They’ve never been the same person

And DE intend to keep it that way

[turbid vigil]

hmm

[pseudo edge]

She goes over it on the ropalolyst fight, doesn't she?

[turbid vigil]

a sentient made to be a spy

act as a replacement margulis

then do what margulis couldn't

[pale cedar]

Margulis wouldn’t need to be a spy she was already our mother

[turbid vigil]

but she couldnt either as she viewed them as her own children

[turbid vigil]

the transmission margulis gives us on the information about the ayatan treasure is misleading

[olive trout]

cmon dont tell me we never find uriel after the old peace like cyte who disappeared

[eager dragon]

Yes, but we do not know if that was her doing or if Ballas edited (or fully faked) the message.

[pseudo edge]

I think it's due to the long sleep of the tenno beginning

[olive trout]

so we never found him damn bro

[pale cedar]

Lotus also never had void beamed eyes in cutscenes though she can now as a skin

[pine orchid]

tbf Uriel (afaik) was gay baby jailed in Tau and the solar rails kinda got broken

[olive trout]

hope we uncover the story of cyte WHEN cyte prime comes out damn

[turbid vigil]

if margulis and current space mom are different physical people then i am 100% convinced she got a punishment like becoming an cephalon but was used to create the "perfect" margulis replacement using natah

[pseudo edge]

Most likely a temple situation
The frame causes chaos to the orokin, it gets buried

[turbid vigil]

huh

[olive trout]

i think he was jailed cuz he tried to kill the orokin and the sentients out of hatred the old peace revealed alot i think they made the warframes move and do stuff

[turbid vigil]

she always wore a helmet UNTIL ballas showed up

[pale cedar]

Margulis was literally Jade Lighted to death and Lotus is alive

[fast dew]

... so like

Ballas was a little abnormal before Margulis died

[turbid vigil]

yes but the orokin looove to turn others into cephalons

[pale cedar]

They literally cannot be the same person

[pine orchid]

that would make sense I think, maybe Roathe commanded his army of Uriels? but then he got yoinked

[turbid vigil]

physically no

[olive trout]

yall think styanax prime is gonna have a big event since hes one of DE fav frames?

[turbid vigil]

roathe isnt even the original uriel, uriel prime is

[brazen seal]

lotus doesn't have all the memories of margulis
lotus was created based on balla's memories or was tenno's memories of margulis, I don't actually remember from whom now

[olive trout]

50th prime yk

wait is it 50th prime

[pine orchid]

yes, but the Uriels were created from his battalion

[olive trout]

uriels?

[quick wadi]

Wouldn't that also mess with like...all the development lotus has had at this point. Being molded to be margulis and having identity problems throughout. To then just be margulis actually

[woven coyote]

Paladino believes lotus's margulis impression was made based on tenno memories

[tall echo]

yes, uriels. plural

[pine orchid]

they fed the AI scraped data about Margulis XD

[pseudo edge]

Iirc there were multiple copies of each frame we know

[turbid vigil]

she literally said in the quest she also is healing from going over what happened during old peace

[olive trout]

and 1 prime copy right?

[pseudo edge]

I am talking about the primes

[olive trout]

oi

[turbid vigil]

every soldier bearing the name "URIEL" turns into the frame eventually

[pseudo edge]

Since
Y'know
The primes were the original

[fast dew]

They weren't.

[pseudo edge]

Oh right
Roathe did say that

[olive trout]

some and some are not

[pine orchid]

you can hear the story if you ask Roathe "Devil of Tau?" in Cathedrale iirc

[eager dragon]

Not all of them, no.

[fast dew]

Jade was the original. And look, she's not a prime.

[woven coyote]

They werent

[olive trout]

yeah yeah but uriel prime i thought uriel is the prime until i heard uriel prime and uriels

[turbid vigil]

thank you for freshing my memory

[pine orchid]

Roathe expands on that too, I think in the same conversation

[pale cedar]

Go speak to Varzia

[woven coyote]

It is still just palladino's pov so grain of salt and all that

[pseudo edge]

I get it damn

[pine orchid]

the Uriel prime was someone Roathe personally knew, his battalion got turned into Uriels, and now Roathe is also turning into one

[turbid vigil]

he also mentions the original Uriel, he knows his real name but calls him uriel prime, remember nova getting a prime a year later? next year is also a tau update

[olive trout]

i think he said uriel prime isnt his real name and that he will tell more on his death bed

[woven coyote]

Ye
Sounds to me like it was someone precious to him

[pine orchid]

yes! that one
but Roathe himself isnt the Uriel prime

[woven coyote]

Ye

[pine orchid]

at least that's what I took from the convo

[olive trout]

ik cuz he said he met uriel prime.

[woven coyote]

Me too

[pseudo edge]

So
Will we watch him die and lose access to talking to him, kinda like Teshin?

[pale cedar]

Roathe doesn’t ever say he is Prime he says he was there for the hatching of Prine

[brittle siren]

I forgot how to trade oraxia stuff

[turbid vigil]

upon us reviving ourselves near the end for just a moment our eyes glow red just like every other character that were either influenced by or controlled by wally

[pine orchid]

make him into a cephalon in his honor

[woven coyote]

Arthritis

[pseudo edge]

Ironic

[olive trout]

ur asking me cuh? maybe on day of uriel prime.

[brittle siren]

oh thanks

[turbid vigil]

i have that

[pseudo edge]

We all do

[turbid vigil]

ballas turning into a half sentient is kinda comical considering what we learned from old peace

[pale cedar]

Damn Arthritis selling the cure for Arthritis

[turbid vigil]

the cure to arthritis is replacing the entire bone with titanium

[pale cedar]

The cure is becoming a frame

[woven coyote]

Arthritis sells knitting implements for scutler husks

[pseudo edge]

Well?

[turbid vigil]

acrithis

[brazen seal]

orokin
u need more than that ?

[woven coyote]

Dont think we have had enough days to know yet

[pale cedar]

Rebellion

[burnt blade]

Who do u think is the tallest?

[pseudo edge]

I mean
Not even the sentients like him very much

[pseudo edge]

Wally

[olive trout]

i think he tried to fight the orokin and the sentients cuz he knew the orokin are twisted maybe

[burnt blade]

Warframe wise

[turbid vigil]

go look up "clone robotics" they essentially made a Warframe

[woven coyote]

Qorvex

[burnt blade]

Wouldn't atlas be?

[pale cedar]

Nah

[tall echo]

frames are generally all the same height

[pseudo edge]

Atlas is a neck too short

[burnt blade]

Bc he's a walking cement nuke?

[tall echo]

limbo is prob tallest tho

[olive trout]

no?

[woven coyote]

Because loooong head

[burnt blade]

His hat doesn't count

[tall echo]

yes?

[brazen seal]

yesn't?

[tall echo]

it's part of his flesh so

[pseudo edge]

His hat is part of him

Like Lavos's heels
They're actually his feet

[woven coyote]

It is however removable

[burnt blade]

👀 oh geez

[turbid vigil]

its funny how the devil frame gets a nuclear explosion like ultimate but the nuclear frame gets a sol gate²

[pale cedar]

Isn’t Dante the tallest technically?

[olive trout]

!yes

[woven coyote]

Hard to tell cause float

[tall echo]

all frame helmets are removable if you pry hard enough

[burnt blade]

Lmfao

[burnt blade]

Same with wisp

How tall would yareli be?

[brittle siren]

Caliban maybe the tallest

[brittle siren]

short girl

[turbid vigil]

and with sol gate² im talking same damage

[tall echo]

nah

[burnt blade]

Doesn't wisp have sol gate

[tall echo]

qorvex 4 is stronk

[pale cedar]

We should put all frames next to each other and measure them

[woven coyote]

Get a bunch of people besides a vending machine in a hollvania captura

[turbid vigil]

only with his augment, max duration, efficiency, strength, universal orb arcane, equilibrium, duration and equilibrium shards

[pale cedar]

I’d prevent Wisp from cheating

[turbid vigil]

yes

[tall echo]

no, generally

[pseudo edge]

Nah

[turbid vigil]

atleast wisp can use breach surge and has a heal

[tall echo]

opinions built on lvl cap stuff don't count

[turbid vigil]

i dont do lvl cap

[tall echo]

good

[pseudo edge]

Breach surge is for anyone

[turbid vigil]

i like to enjoy myself while playing a video game

[tall echo]

you have brain

[turbid vigil]

qorvex doesnt have a heal unless you use rolls of bandages

[tall echo]

yeah the lack of self heal is a problem

[turbid vigil]

his 2 is useless icl

[tall echo]

qorvex tries to be a health tank but he can't restore it

[turbid vigil]

atleast we can now sacrifice the devil frame to put a healing ability onto the nuclear bomb frame

yk what makes this funny

[civic forum]

i was looking at alternate routes the conversation i just had with roathe could have gone, what is "Check boolean LoidFamilyComplete"??? i got the false/incomplete version of the conversation, which confuses me

[turbid vigil]

the part that makes a nuclear bomb a nuclear bomb is what we call a demon core/devils core

uriels heal would be a core component of qorvexs kit

the joke writes itself

[tall echo]

they planned it all along

[woven coyote]

Fairly sure it was related to the entrati syndicate

[civic forum]

i have that maxed

[burnt blade]

Any warframes that are canonically 6 feet tall?

Bc I'm a bookworm who reads romance and romance readers love their 6 foot male Main characters

[woven coyote]

There isnt a cannonical height as far as i am aware

[burnt blade]

Ooof

Spoilers for me

[pale cedar]

Just start measuring all 112 Warframes heights

[burnt blade]

But shouldn't caliban be apart of tau, as he was built due the alliance of orokin and sentients?

[tall echo]

caliban prime was

[burnt blade]

Base caliban wasnt?

[tall echo]

base caliban was made by erra during the old war

[burnt blade]

Oof still tho. Feel like he should play a huge part in anything to do with the old war

[woven coyote]

It's just another warframe as far as story is concerned

[pale cedar]

He’s in the Vanguard

He got kidnapped by Galastria or whatever her name is with the leg thing from Awakening

[woven coyote]

Or at least a tenno was using a caliban prime when galastria captured them

[pale cedar]

We were also in the Prime Vanguard if the who they’re reserved for thing is accurate

[burnt blade]

And honestly as much as people complain of not being able to keep excalibur prime, him being apart of old peace is very lore accurate, first to be made and first to be primed.

Even if warframe lore is a spider web of knowledge

[pale cedar]

There’s literally Umbra tbh

We don’t need to keep Prime

Excal Prime is overrated

[loud oriole]

im perfectly okay with ExcalP staying in the past and it makes logical sense for the newer Tenno since we ditched him for the chained up madness Albrecht (possibly) made
-# with Roathe talking about 'Uriel Prime' its 50/50 if the Uriel we control is the original Roathe or a copy made by Ballas/Anarchis for what ever reasoning

[pale cedar]

Nah, I think Ballas made Uriel but Albrecht made Proto

Is the case 90% of the time

Temple is the sort of exception

Even then Ballas made the design

[olive trout]

but roathe is an orokin no?

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[silk atlas]

Yeah, what about it?

[olive trout]

? i think they used a dna of uriel on him?

[pale cedar]

Hm

He had a legion

Which got turned

Doesn’t mean he is the first

[silk atlas]

Roathe had his buddies turned into Uriel's by some awful person before he was even proto'd.

[pale cedar]

Or anything

[olive trout]

into uriels yes but that doesnt mean he is a proto made by albrecht

[pale cedar]

Infected with the strain

[silk atlas]

Roathe himself flat out says Albrecht was the one to Proto him.

[pale cedar]

That’s literally all it means

[olive trout]

ooh u mean fuse uriel dna like what he did with authur and eleanor and other right?

[pale cedar]

Proto also doesn't mean first frame

[silk atlas]

The exact same thing, yes.

[olive trout]

ik

[pale cedar]

So the batch already existed before he got it

As is the case with 99% of Protos

Temple being an exception

Ballas was still involved with that though

[daring wave]

I just got the grimoire of zenurik and saw a clip of father lyon talking to rell how dose know him ???

[ashen pulsar]

as far as we know, albrecht created protoframes as a whole.

[olive trout]

for a loop to escape from wally aint that right?

[ashen pulsar]

protos are people who have been given just enough helminth that they begin to transform slowly

[olive trout]

ik

[loud oriole]

probably some wonky eternalism voodoo.
or since Rell finally let go of trying to hold back the Indifference, he assimilated into the indifference and through the helminth strain is able to connect with Lyon, similar to how Eleanor is able to chat it up with the Indifference

spitball theory btw, i haven't gotten that dialogue yet since Lyon is still smacking himself in the face for me

[ashen pulsar]

no, to create the vessels.

[olive trout]

ik

[ashen pulsar]

that's why he did it.

to use protoframe DNA in the vessels

[woven coyote]

The idea of the vessels came after

It was after loid pointed out the properties of the grey strain

But the protos arent directly tied into the loop no

[daring wave]

I can show you the clip i saw if you want

[ashen pulsar]

true, he just created them to study the samples

[ashen pulsar]

sure

[daring wave]

Ok 1 sec

[loud oriole]

the protos only exist as a sort of failsafe incase our personal frames were unable to be sent across the cube that is eternalism
-# this is just based on the dialogue choices in GIM w/ Roathe

[ashen pulsar]

is that why?

what dialogue is that

[pale cedar]

KIM

[daring wave]

@ashen pulsar here

[pale cedar]

Drifter only poses it as a theory not fact

[ashen pulsar]

yeah ik that.

[olive trout]

hey did the orokin upgrade nidus to prime or they made nidus prime as a copy and nidus a copy

[loud oriole]

iirc its with Roathe when you ask him how he ended up in La Cathedrale, not at home atm otherwise I would grab the chat.

and as nemesis said, its just drifters theory as to why Albrecht would run around hollivania stabbing people with his serum

[silk atlas]

We dunno.

[ashen pulsar]

at least one reason was to collect DNA samples to study a way to fight the indifference, there may be more

[daring wave]

I believe nidus primed himself i don't remember the full thing but there's a theory i know that support it

[olive trout]

primed himself? or upgraded by the orokin or evolved by taking parts of orokin devices idfk

[pale cedar]

No

[silk atlas]

There's nothing that mentions how he was Primed.

Or if that was even how it was developed as a not-Prime first

[daring wave]

No one knows

[pale cedar]

That's literally only a Lavos thing so far

[silk atlas]

Nidus has barely any lore.

[woven coyote]

Didnt ballas just talk in the trailer about throwing a ball of infestation into space that turned into nidus prime?

[ashen pulsar]

interesting. judging from the fact that he has a donda on his table, there may be a connection between him and rell through the harrow strain.

[daring wave]

Yeah so that's interesting

[daring wave]

When

[silk atlas]

I'm pretty sure that was meant to be them throwing Nidus out into space and it comes back.

[woven coyote]

Nidus prime trailer

[woven coyote]

Been too long, dont remember enough

[silk atlas]

But of course, no mention on if they're talking about Prime or not, as with all the Prime trailers lmaoooooooo

[woven coyote]

Just remember the part about throwing infestation into space and it being nidus prime trailer

[ashen pulsar]

btw someone sent an interesting video of the chains of harrow trailer that pointed out how you can see uriel's silhouette in the trailer

[daring wave]

😂

[olive trout]

no no i think they created nidus saw his abilitys then upgraded him to prime

[woven coyote]

Fairly sure that would be just halucinated

According to what DE said they only decided on making uriel after minky died

[silk atlas]

Again, we don't know that. Could've just as easily been Prime from the start. We know Parvos got a not-Prime even when we're looking at the Prime trailer with him talking to Ballas about Protea.

[daring wave]

I want to believe he find a way to prime himself because he can evolve with the infested and with his power

[ashen pulsar]

here https://youtu.be/3u7RcsrPFj0?si=SLqoRZYSg1etavxf

[woven coyote]

Yeah just youtuber halucination

[olive trout]

some warframes are concept for years

but i dont think uriel is one

[ashen pulsar]

it's odd and idk how accurate, still interesting tho

[woven coyote]

Its on youtube so not accurate at all

Jokes aside it just doesnt match up with irl timeline of uriel development

Because putting uriel in game was a special project after minky passed away

[ashen pulsar]

ig it's just another one of rell's apparitions then

[pine orchid]

I mean that kinda looks more like a slightly altered versions of Harrow rather than Uriel to me

[daring wave]

But until proven otherwise i will believe nidus found a way to prime himself be he can grow and evolve endlessly like balls said

[olive trout]

no warframe can evolve into prime

oh wait maybe he did ifnd a way to prime himself but not by evolving

[woven coyote]

Lavos

[daring wave]

We know one that did

[daring wave]

Yes him

[olive trout]

who?

[daring wave]

Lavos

[woven coyote]

Also this isnt stated anywhere and both are helminth anyway

[olive trout]

lavos didnt evolve into one.

[pale cedar]

Literally did

[daring wave]

Well yeah but he found a way

[olive trout]

he didnt evolve he found a way

[pale cedar]

To Prime himself

[ashen pulsar]

it has things that neither frame has and things that both do. it's weird (e.g. glowing part on the chest isnt on either frame, arm blades are on both)

[olive trout]

thanks for completing

[silk atlas]

What the hell does "evolve" mean then

[pine orchid]

it also has a more rounded shoulder plate thing, which looks like Harrow's

[ashen pulsar]

definitely doesn't look like the apparitions that we see in the trailer. could've been a scrapped concept tho

[pine orchid]

interesting as it is, I think it makes more sense for it to be some form of Harrow considering Rell's connection to it

[silk atlas]

It doesn't really matter, he made himself Prime, there's nothing special about how it's done and since it was done via alchemy, it's clearly not that special outside of the Orokin forcably making it scares.

[olive trout]

slowly turnning into a prime

[pale cedar]

Rell isn't as connected to Harrow as players think

[ashen pulsar]

and it has an emissive over the mouth like uriel. it could be neither as well, maybe a scrapped idea and all

[silk atlas]

We also don't know how long it took for him to become Prime...?

Like the distinction just does not matter.

[daring wave]

I believe nidus found a way through the infestation because we know there is many forms of it and he use it in its most raw form so i believe he found a way to use it to become a prime

[olive trout]

oi i didnt ask how long it took for him or how he became a prime

[ashen pulsar]

could even be a model that, when uriel was thought of, was modified to be uriel with no lore implications

[olive trout]

wait the video is actually crazy

[woven coyote]

It isnt

[olive trout]

whos that guy that kinda have mouth like uriel

[woven coyote]

Lore tuber videos dont really have any evidence

[olive trout]

or idfk

[pine orchid]

could be! could also be like an altered version of a frame like Stalker (I think his body pattern is like excal, but with a unique helmet and skillset?) and the... uh the stalker disciples in steel path iirc were also like body patterns based on frames?

[woven coyote]

Again doesnt match irl timelines for uriel's development

[silk atlas]

Okay scrolling back up to see the context.

Yeah we don't know if they can't evolve to be Prime either. Just happens that the whole "how it's made" for Primes isn't given to us and DE can easily just make up different ways to give different Warframes access to it.

[olive trout]

u do now sometimes DE devs scratch old designs and do new one?

[woven coyote]

DE have shown us minky's designs for uriel tho

[ashen pulsar]

like I said the model of a scrapped idea could've been modified when uriel was being developed.

[woven coyote]

And explained when they decided to put them in game, and why

[olive trout]

in 2017? no it could have been a first model for a devil frame.

[ashen pulsar]

it isn't built like harrow and it has things uriel doesn't have, so we are curious what it could be

[worldly knot]

Please tell me you're joking.

Harrow was Rell's forever frame. My guy is literally intrinsically connected to him.

[pale cedar]

It's literally just lighting in a trailer

[daring wave]

We know that ordis robot body was found in the sacrifice quest

[pale cedar]

I'm saying players ask
How can Harrow Prime exist if Rell is Dead
Is Harrow Proto related to Rell
Is Harrow this related to Rell

[ashen pulsar]

it definitely isnt nothing tho

[turbid vigil]

please re read the lore, even i know you are wrong

[ashen pulsar]

it's not uriel and it's not harrow

[turbid vigil]

literally is uriel

[pale cedar]

I'm not

[turbid vigil]

you are

[pale cedar]

read my message after that

[olive trout]

isnt what u said

[pale cedar]

I'm not saying he isn't connected at all

[worldly knot]

It looks more like one of the acolytes than it does Uriel to me, but that may just be because it's smudgey.

[pale cedar]

Im saying players think everything Harrow is a Rell thing

When that isn't the case

[ashen pulsar]

harro proto IS related to rell tho

[turbid vigil]

depends

[ashen pulsar]

somehow

[worldly knot]

Harrow is literally a Rell thing. My man was buried in that frame, given to him to be his body when his human one failed so he could maintain keeping Wally at bay.

[silk atlas]

People keep acting like Rell's Harrow is that the only one that exists and that there can be literally nothing else related to Harrow that isn't tied to him directly. Like hell, I've seen people ask if Lyon is Rell's Harrow.

[turbid vigil]

it could be a thing where its like with temple

[pale cedar]

^

Not everything Harrow is a Rell thing

[worldly knot]

If it's that angle, I can understand. Clearly the harrow strain exists outside of Rell's Harrow, right.

[woven coyote]

There is a difference between rell just having a harrow available to do that and people thinking harrow was made specifically for rell

[turbid vigil]

there is no other harrow in lore

[ashen pulsar]

there were plenty of harrows, that's true. harrow as a frame isn't attached to rell, harrow prime really isn't, but rell is attached to harrow.

[turbid vigil]

rell literally found harrow on a battlefield

[silk atlas]

Harrow Prime???

[woven coyote]

Can you find a quote for that?

[ashen pulsar]

and harrow proto is connected to rell in some way

[turbid vigil]

besides prim

[pale cedar]

But not as attached as players try making it out to be

[woven coyote]

Point is, harrow isnt a rell exclusive thing

[pale cedar]

Yes

[woven coyote]

Rell had a harrow available

[ashen pulsar]

since he's studying a donda and references rell in dialogue as well

[pale cedar]

Rell is a user of Harrow

But not the source of every Harrow

[ashen pulsar]

rell is related to harrow, the harrow strain is not related to rell.

[pale cedar]

Yes

Which is my point

[silk atlas]

If it was any other Warframe people would just be asking the same stuff, just with like, throwing some other random name in there.

[ashen pulsar]

but you also said (or implied) that lyon wasn't related to rell and that's wrong

[olive trout]

harrow prime looks like a spacemarine priest lol

[pale cedar]

Not in the sense players think he is

Is my point

[ashen pulsar]

fair. it's very unlikely that lyon becomes rell's harrow and would be too confusing

[silk atlas]

I know I said something like that but I mean directly, as in the weird "Lyon's his Harrow" thing or having talked to him outright, rather than him just being a Harrow and also having ties to Rell.

[woven coyote]

Not in the way that people think that lyon becomes rell's harrow (especially because he is right there, while rerrow is dust)

[pale cedar]

Players won't let Rell rest always trying to bring him into everything Harrow related

[ashen pulsar]

simplest answer is probably the right one.

[silk atlas]

People just need to shut up about Rell I was already sick of it from Duviri

And Umbra

[woven coyote]

Oh yeah when they thought dominus was rell

Funny times those were

[pale cedar]

And Garmi

[silk atlas]

WHO???

[pale cedar]

The Lighthouse guy

[woven coyote]

Yeah they also tried forcing that connection too

[silk atlas]

That a Duviri NPC?

[woven coyote]

Lost islands stuff

[pale cedar]

The common questions are

Is Dominus Rell

Is Garmi Rell

When we already know they can't be

[olive trout]

????? did they get those questions from the void?

[pale cedar]

Garmi is the guy who got killed by Wally

[woven coyote]

You would be surprised

[silk atlas]

It comes from the same kind of thinking, that everything that is related to some specific thing must be connect to everything else that also involves that thing.

Duviri deals with emotions, Rell deals with emotions, so Rell must have some connection to Duviri.

[pale cedar]

Warframe players create some crazy theories

[ashen pulsar]

the real question is, is albrecht rell? in this essay, I will-

[woven coyote]

Lol

[dark compass]

Rell from the future

[silk atlas]

Different kind of neurodivergent, if we're even going to label Albrecht as such.

[dark compass]

He didn't actually die, just got sent into the void

And he returned through time travel

Creating a loop in which he becomes Albrecht

[pale cedar]

Somebody actually made a theory Rell isn't dead because the radio

[thick yacht]

🗿

[pale cedar]

Like the Radio is Wally doing stuff

Rap Tap Tap is something Wally invented

Players assume Rell created it

[ashen pulsar]

rap tap tap little piggy, you'll let me in

we said that probably before rell did, come to think of it

[woven coyote]

Oh god just had a nightmare vision where people start asking if operator is multiverse rell

[pale cedar]

Is Operator nightmare Rell? it makes perfect sense trust

[woven coyote]

Lol

Also old peace chat is going about usual business of missinforming people based on theories

[pale cedar]

Oh no

What now?

[olive trout]

styanax prime is gonna have a big event? right?

or more lore?

[woven coyote]

Maybe, we can only hope

[eager briar]

Lotus in literally every single main quest: “sorry I was being a bum and didn’t help you at all during the mission. Better luck next time.”

[lilac aspen]

Hey this time she locked in and stopped the operator from being dragged away by the Murmur

[fast dew]

Loid still cared more

[lilac aspen]

Well yeah

Bro is just HIM

He raised Mother to the extent the Necroloid even commented they sounded so alike

[fast dew]

He's serving

[fast dew]

Bro is HIM. He is SHE. He is hurricane KATRINA 💥 💥

[olive trout]

yk that one time i thought loid was gay until i played the 1999 quest

[fast dew]

He is

Loid is gay lol

He's Albrecht's lover

[olive trout]

yeah

[fast dew]

They're kissing ooo men kissing

OHH

[olive trout]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-ballon-d'or-ballon-d'or-shocked-ishowspeed-noway-gif-9357582452923318096

[fast dew]

Sorry

Something came to me

[olive trout]

car?

yk i have a pet car its my 23th pet car i killed the other 22 cuz i lose at gambling alat

[loud oriole]

slay girl slay 💅

[fast dew]

No im not sober and i thought of Loid as a drag queen

[olive trout]

also half of the 22 i killed i killed the other 11 cuz they scared me

[turbid vigil]

i have been incorrect about the harrow part my bad

[olive trout]

u are and i didnt wanna respond cuz i was watching

whos ironmouse? why is she so popular?

[turbid vigil]

shes a very fun vtuber

[olive trout]

theres thousands of vtubers i dont see fun in them

she aint fun too

[turbid vigil]

shes diff, she can sing...very good

[olive trout]

she aint a queen or a famous singer

[lilac aspen]

TLDR
Vtuber with a rather severe health issue so she became one because it’s one of the few things she can do

Great singing voice for someone who can be an absolute gremlin

[turbid vigil]

haters be hating 😔

[olive trout]

im not hater.

[turbid vigil]

this

[turbid vigil]

i told my parent i found a vtuber with a similar health issue i have and they were like "sooo you two talking?" cmon dad😭

thats not how it works nowadays 😭

[olive trout]

idfk if i say i hate women then am gay and if i say i hate men i am straight what IF i say i hate women and men?

[woven coyote]

Vtuber with a proper backstory as far as i understand, also seems to have managed to land a good community

[turbid vigil]

having a good community is rare nowadays 😭

[woven coyote]

Yuuup

An achievment in of itself

[turbid vigil]

i have huge respect to ironmouse how shes capable of still being able to do what she does

i dont mean it in a bad way, my words arent used well probably

[lament vapor]

Idk if it's already been discussed but if Sentients need that special tau bloom thing to gain sentience then.....how were any of the sentients we encountered in the origin system still self aware?

(tbc talking about Hunhow, Lotus, Erra, Old War Praghasa, etc)

[rich badge]

I was just thinking about this

[woven coyote]

Think the accurate thing is to say they gain independence not sentience

Difference with and without is separation from hive mind and succeptibility to orders

[tulip kettle]

My friend is saying uriel lore wise is faster than gauss because of his jumping speed to the tauron academy

[lament vapor]

That was my guess too, not so much that they all gained self awareness from the flowers but that the individual hive-entities that the Big Mommas (TM) controlled were able to separate themselves

Just wish it got more clarification in the quest

[woven coyote]

Think it gets explained pretty well when operator asks adis what being without the xenoflora pollen does

Without they get condemned to the life of a drone basically

[lament vapor]

That's fair, her speech patterns just made it a little difficult to parse LOL

[woven coyote]

Just like the ones we usually fight in the origin system

[lament vapor]

On a related note, were they teaching the sentients the principles of focus schools? Or were they actually trying to teach them how to harness the void?

[woven coyote]

Seemed some sort of cooperation technique

Like how we use our amps but less macabre

[lament vapor]

It would just be really messed up (and on-brand for Ballas) that they were instructing them to harness a force that would inevitably sterilize them

Oh! also! not to yap but how did Margulis put us to sleep without a transference matrix?

[sly pagoda]

I suspect they were teaching them how to work with the tenno.

[lament vapor]

thaaatd probably make more sense

[sick nebula]

Do we have any lore on the heartbeat-like drums I'm hearing from one of the statues in the Sanctum?

The one getting its ||face|| stroked.

Also, why does Lyon (a priest of Lua) have a sun-symbol on the minimap?

[lament vapor]

Given how some of the Cavia rank up cutscenese are portrayed, I think it's meant to be a very deep version of the 'Rap Tap Tap' of the indifference

[lament vapor]

Lyon and Marie are acolytes of Dualism, Sol and Lua

[copper mountain]

If you get close to most other vessels they all have that, which I believe are meant to be their actual heartbeats.

Vessels are probably, according to that one piece of Albrecht notes, giant infested clones of Arthur made with grey strain infestation. Because the base template is human, it follows that they have organs like a heart.

[sly pagoda]

Sol and Lua do appear to be the predominant religion in the pre-Orokin era Earth.

On a fun note given Arthur says the Scaldra have no clue about transference. Meaning think every different frame you use is someone else. Imagine the horrors when you roll up with demon frame now.

[swift sentinel]

Arthur and Aoi, there are female Vessels in the labs as well

Or more likely an amalgam of all the 1999 protoframes

[cinder shoal]

It just Dawned on me that Valdur may become a Protoframe (my guess is Rhino's). I feel like keeping him alive implies that DE has something planned for him in a future update, and since we have an Orokin Protoframe a Grineer or Corpus one seems natural.

[sick nebula]

Valdurhino

[sick nebula]

Oh, in case anyone had doubts about Roathe being part of the Anarch faction:

Valdur: "A rogue Executor and her lapdog. We need to get Itzam out of there now. I'm sending a shuttle. You clear a landing zone!"

[radiant crown]

Did the orokin completely dominate tau? After the ceasefire was broken

Or did they like, put more tenno in tau and completely wiped the sentients and...

[silk atlas]

Nah they were still getting rocked hard, it was not an easy fight

[radiant crown]

Oh yeah the orokin did get repelled didnt they, i think i hesrd that somewhere

[strange turtle]

Go into settings and select the “all conversations” option if you want

Takes longer but you don’t have to reset and start over if you want the other convos

[north skiff]

Ok

[strange turtle]

No Lotus was meant to kill them, Margulis was executed for speaking out against their weaponisation (and use as a scapegoat later on)

[strange turtle]

Cephalons aren’t Sentients
And why would Hunhow lie about her being Sentient? Or even care about her to begin with

[strange turtle]

Rebecca’s secret account

[tranquil grove]

I'd adore Valdur becoming the Rhino Protoframe. Feels very fitting.

Also I wonder if Galastra may become the Ember Protoframe.

[cunning tapir]

i don't see Galastra protoframe happening.
I think she's been glassed and used as a training simulator as per the old peace prologue.

[pale cedar]

I think she just died because rot

Same with Valdur

[strange plinth]

^
i don't see either of them attracting enough attention for albrecht to turn them into protos
nor being glassed to keep them alive

[burnt blade]

Lmfao

[abstract ridge]

Guys its over, i killed the man in the wall

https://medal.tv/games/warframe/clips/lHYkbPucMDFO3OGp4?invite=cr-MSxxNTcsMjQwNjQ5NzUz&v=50

[fast dew]

Yeah?

[abstract ridge]

Theres my proof

No tau in 2026 we all just go for early lunch

3 good stabbings and its all over

[fast dew]

Holy shit

[abstract ridge]

He is supposed to be in the chamber area but he wasnt so i guess its over

[fast dew]

Albrecht did alla that just so we could stab wally 💔

[abstract ridge]

Fr bro what a nerd

It was so simple

[fast dew]

Now we can reunite Loid and Albrecht so they can have a happy ending

[abstract ridge]

Yes

Warframe the good ending

[iron tiger]

So if the sentients have hiveminds

Does that mean all the narmer sentients are fragments of erra

[silk atlas]

No, and they have a hivemind

A lot of the smaller units were coming in from Tau anyway and we dunno who specifically made every single one

[brittle siren]

jesus another mini lore bomb

[strange plinth]

Loid said that Otak was an archimedean before
some link to argon crystals iirc? or crystals at least

[brittle siren]

oh he did?

[strange plinth]

some idle dialogue iirc
i'd have to find it

[brittle siren]

I never heard of that

[strange plinth]

"I discovered a forgotten work by Archimedean Otak on crystallography deep in the archives. He was the first to anticipate the unique properties of Argon. We owe him so much. At least... what remains of him... is happy."
looks like it only plays when you have the 'research dante' menu open

[iron tiger]

Did you mean yes they’re a hivemind but not Erra’s

Also why wasn’t praghasa alive if the sentients are both ships, tools, drones, robots and alive all at once

[silk atlas]

There's just the one hivemind as I read it. Either the Sentient is in it or not. Erra would just happen to be one of the main commanders of it now.

[iron tiger]

Ohhh so there’s multiple wills within one hivemind

[strange plinth]

praghasa took the brunt of the void exposure in the solar rail and died because of it, as sentients are supposed to do. she is dead, but her corpse is still around and able to be "piloted" around

[silk atlas]

Praghasa is braindead at this point and being puppeteered by whoever controls it

[iron tiger]

Oh wow that’s a great explanation

So she not necessarily an eidolon it’s only her mind that’s dead

Sentients are so fun to learn about

Does anyone else have fun sentient facts because I can listen all day

[marble hound]

Sooo question. How is the driffter capable of erasing the memories of Marie, Lyon and Roathe if they unlike the Hex have direct contact with Loid and the Cavia? Like as far as I understood they can go to the lab and back to the Cathedrale since we hear that Roathe talks a lot with the Cavia sooo how is the driffter capable of affecting them too? At first I thought he was only capable of reverting time on loops like Duviri or 1999 but the lab and the Cathedrale are not in a loop.

[lean garden]

Its not the looping, its that theyre infested

[lean garden]

well, its not the big loop anyways

[marble hound]

Ooooh makes sense. I did not have this conversation yet sadly. Thank you

[lean garden]

well, in all technicality...

you already did

these are in the early convos

you just can't access them because you havent reset nothing

[marble hound]

I did, I reset Minerva, Velimir, Flare and Kaya

[lean garden]

you didnt reset roathe

[brittle siren]

"Yes, claim this body as I once did" - Roathe

No Roathe I'm not like you 😭

[left oyster]

For anyone whose replayed the hex quest is it the exact same as when u first played it? Bc ive heard its slightly different

[brittle siren]

Not really no

maybe different with dialogue choice but other than that, nothing change

[strange plinth]

as in the hex finale or just replaying the quest?

[left oyster]

Ok I js checked, it seemed they meant the finale was different if u chose it from the kalymos option, but now it looks like u can replay the entire quest which wasnt available last i check

[strange plinth]

ah yea
the finale is separate from replaying the quest
quest is the same, though you can pick a different proto to play as for the one section

[fast dew]

You could always replay it

[strange plinth]

quest replay took an update or two iirc

[fast dew]

I know because i do it constantly lol

[fast dew]

Mm, was it techrot encore?

[left oyster]

Im replaying every story quest featuring drifer/operator bc of the new update😛😛

[strange plinth]

probably, i remember wanting to replay it but not being able to

[fast dew]

I replayed it for the Albrecht interrogation scene. "Not my type" yeah i see you Albrecht your type is MEN

[strange plinth]

lmao

[iron tiger]

Albrecht is bi pretty sure

[left oyster]

If warframes have a healing factor how is Arthur still blind?

[strange plinth]

well his face isn't infested yet

[iron tiger]

They aren’t warframes theyre protoframes

[strange plinth]

he had a wife previously, that doesn't necessarily mean he was attracted to her

[left oyster]

But they still share the healing factor

[strange plinth]

• the eyes aren't important for a frame, they're going to get covered anyway

[iron tiger]

I mean the only one we see he has something going with is loid and he abandons loid

[left oyster]

On that note how do warfrmes even see?

[iron tiger]

Neuroptics

[left oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-ventura-pet-detective-jim-carrey-comedy-duh-gif-11333313905875935459

[iron tiger]

Some do have visible lenses like mag

[strange plinth]

he does, yes, because he doesn't want the indifference to harm loid. there's enough love there to leave him behind to attempt to not bring harm to him

[fast dew]

I wouldn't say just cuz he was probably forced to have a child means he's bi

It was an arrangement

[iron tiger]

Where was this said?

I mean clearly he got hard enough to do the freakies

[fast dew]

A new Roathe chat. He was "given" her.

[fast dew]

Ehh. That doesn't indicate attraction

I can list why it doesn't, but the mods really wouldn't like it

Its due to stimulation, and its an autonomic response

Fully expect him to have just laid there limply, and did not gaf lol

[iron tiger]

Hmmm true I guess

Do we we know who the wife was

[ashen pulsar]

still could be, we have no idea

[fast dew]

Also, to correct this, we also hear about him and Loid getting stoned together

Albrecht goes on about how he is unworthy of loid

[iron tiger]

Stoned like high or stoned like punishment?

[fast dew]

He never cared for the wife. Didn't even care that ||she died||

[fast dew]

High lol, they do drugs together

[strange plinth]

the former
nestawood

[fast dew]

Loid is apparently a lightweight

[iron tiger]

Indica or setiva?

[ashen pulsar]

he still could be bi. Loving a forced marriage has nothing to do with that.

[fast dew]

Ehh

The only person we know Albrecht was ever attracted to was a man, so I'll go off that tbh

[iron tiger]

We know the only person he got freaky with had an orokinussy

[ashen pulsar]

obviously there's nothing to indicate he's straight but there isn't a huge reason to believe he's just gay, no assumptions can be made.

[fast dew]

Ehh

[brittle siren]

and his wife

[fast dew]

And ew, don't say that

[fast dew]

He never cared for her.

[brittle siren]

he mention his wife when talk about the Mother

[fast dew]

He didn't even care that ||she died||

[brittle siren]

so he does care even for a little bit

[bright temple]

interesting convo with Roathe today

[brittle siren]

I mean ppl died left and right all the time, he just got used to it

[fast dew]

Ehh

[marble hound]

Oh okay, thank you

[fast dew]

Clearly he cared enough about Loid

[brittle siren]

and still left him to fight a void demi god

[marble hound]

Thank you, I was worried that choosing the face one made him answer that to the point I was about to reset.

[brittle siren]

His "love" is as bad as Ballas tbh

[fast dew]

He left Loid to draw his gaze from Loid, it was an act of love he regrets. He also regretted even temporarily leaving Euleria for Duviri

He didn't care for her, clearly so

[marble hound]

It's between friend, brother or Ex lover

[strange plinth]

huh

[fast dew]

Loid is his lover, its been confirmed constantly

[ashen pulsar]

wow this is gonna be useful in the future

[brittle siren]

same with his wife, just because he did not mention her a lot does not mean he never cared for her

[fast dew]

Except roathe states he did not care for her iirc

[brittle siren]

I mean his daughter remind him of his wife isn't enough for you?

[fast dew]

... her eyes

Her eyes only.

[strange plinth]

yea his daughter would remind him of his wife its her kid too what

[fast dew]

Yeah that too

[marble hound]

More like was ig

[fast dew]

Do i gaf about my dad? No, but do i say my eyes are like his? Yes??

[fast dew]

No, they are still lovers. They have not broken up. Long distance exists.

[brittle siren]

I actually base on how Snape care for Harry because his eyes remind of his first crush, so I assume Albrecht kinda the same but much less affection

[fast dew]

They have problems, but they are still very much together

[strange plinth]

the loid n albrecht problems are far lesser than any other orokin couple we've heard of

[marble hound]

Roathe and Loid were lovers. I mean it's kinda obvious but since there was no "I had something with your dad figure Usurper" kind of conversation I preffered to first see all posibilitys

[fast dew]

NO???

[marble hound]

Loid was with Albrecht...?

[strange plinth]

wHAT

[fast dew]

ALBRECHT IS LOID'S LOVER

ROATHE HATES LOID

[marble hound]

Ik

[fast dew]

Loid hated the orokin as a whole

So did Albrecht, which is funny considering he is one

[marble hound]

I mean with the "Believe me drifter, I can convince him" type of dialogues I thought it was a thing more of Loid with Roathe rather than Albrecht and Roathe

[fast dew]

Did shit to piss them off

[fast dew]

ALBRECHT AND LOID

Not roathe/Albrecht, not loid/roathe, its Albrecht/Loid 😭

Can someone get the tweet im in the middle of nowhere and it won't load

[marble hound]

Yeah I know, I meant that in the past Roathe had something with any of the 2

[fast dew]

Roathe seems to have been Nitokh's thing ngl

Roathe also absolutely hates Albrecht and probably only knew him from the days of the orokin empire, as the entrati family were giga important

Roathe also mentions he only knows Albrecht as the blue version

[marble hound]

As far as I understood they were somewhat of Rivals or something? Like they knew each other a lot. And also with Roathe telling the drifter that he is the only one who can convince Loid to go and talk with the family it kinda hints something idk

[fast dew]

Interestingly, that means they can either transfer voices when doing continuity or Albrecht used a refacia kit

Cuz blue Albrecht is something that existed post void incident

[fast dew]

I think its... not exactly that. Loid just kinda needs a push from an orokin in general.

[iron tiger]

Muahhaha I remember saying he formed via conceptual embodiment but bau said otherwise

[fast dew]

Ehh

We don't know for sure.

[iron tiger]

[fast dew]

Its what Albrecht is assumed what happened

[brittle siren]

w h a t

[fast dew]

And idk how Roathe would even know about the man in the wall prior to his time in the labs