lore-discussion

[manic rover]

no

[restive river]

People worshipping the sun and moon isn’t like
A new thing

[fast dew]

I mean, mythos of old are still a form of religion, regardless of the name its called by. At least imo.

[restive river]

If real, maybe
But we have seen many depictions since 1999

[manic rover]

that's the issue, its a very old thing. Man only idolizes what he can't understand. The people of 1999 understand what the sun and the moon is. Making them Gods makes them look primitive

so surely Sol and Lua are separate from the moon and the sun

[restive river]

And?
That doesn’t stop people from believing in something lol

[restive river]

Humanity looked to the sky, saw two big orbs, explained many a thing through them
That stuck and was likely iterated on
That’s the religion

[manic rover]

could be

[fast dew]

Tbf the only experience in 1999 we saw of dualism was from Eleanor and like. Viktor

[restive river]

I’m not religious but I know that if someone believes something the facts don’t matter cause that’s not what it’s about lol

[restive river]

You mean Lettie?

[fast dew]

And viktor is a fascist using a religion to justify his actions, so he aint the best example

[manic rover]

subsequently the idea of them evolved into something more akin to christianity where Sol and Lua are not merely the big lights but actually immaculate omnipotentent creators

[fast dew]

Oh yeah, her too

Eleanor talks about nuns in the dualism faith so i thought of her first

[restive river]

Lettie literally has a thing about her religion and you can tell her her gods are just celestial objects, and that’s a disrespectful answer

[restive river]

Yee

[fast dew]

Which are usually for Lua, which is odd considering Marie is for Sol

[restive river]

They likely were always seen as gods but as human knowledge evolved they still stuck with that but also knew “oh these are also just celestial objects”

Religions don’t always care about like
The facts of reality or science, that’s not what it’s entirely about?
Whether or not their gods actually exist is irrelevant

[stiff beacon]

unless of course alchemy factors into this

[restive river]

Also we know they went to the moon so their religion doesn’t stop scientific progress

[stiff beacon]

somehow

[restive river]

Now that I’ve had time with Lyon and Marie some I think they’re for both tbh as they both mention both

Even if Marie is a Nun of Sol or Lua it doesn’t matter as both are part of her religion, it’s not one or the other

[manic rover]

Names Sol and Lua could've just been the "original" nicknames of the Gods

Have the "word of Gods" have a verse saying "The creators of the world rival the power of the lights shining your days and nights" and throught history the Sol and Lua were just analogous to the Moon and Sun

[restive river]

Sol and Lua are the names of the gods and the celestial objects

They do also say sun and moon ofc but specifically in Warframe they have names

[manic rover]

Sol is not the Sun
Lua is not the Moon
Yet both of the pairs are referred to with the same name

[restive river]

Like we named many planets after gods, it’s the same thing but it stuck

[manic rover]

it's just that it seems

pretty much

[restive river]

The sun and moon inspired Sol and Lua, they both are them and symbols of them in a way

[manic rover]

oh wait that actually makes so much sense
First the religion of Sol and Lua was created
To honor their power, they gave their names to the 2 strongest "powers" that complete and mirror each other, the light of the moon and the light of the sun

could go either way there

although the former would be more appropriate for an abrahamic-like religion

[restive river]

No
I’m
Pretty sure humanity looked up, saw some orbs and made a religion based off them rather than naming said orbs after their gods

Something has to inspire it and that’s the literal sun and moon
Or
The gods are real

[strange plinth]

lets conceptually embody Sol and Lua to fight wally /s

[manic rover]

it would be so funny if the final plot twist is that wally is the amalgam fusion of Sol and Lua that was created when humanity renounced them

[restive river]

Salem: What are Sol and Lua, after all? Before it occurred to anyone to think of them as Gods? They were LIGHTS. (EleanorRank6Convo4

[restive river]

He hates the Orokin for an entirely different reason lmao

[strange plinth]

huh
not sure if i've seen that dialogue

[restive river]

Here’s the disrespectful thing to say to Lettie

Drifter: I... hate to break it to you, but Sol and Lua aren't gods. One's a star and the other is a rock that's seen some shit (LettieRank1Convo4

[manic rover]

"they cut off my fingers when I gave them my hand" = we offered them help and guidance yet they renounced us
it could be a red herring double entadre

[restive river]

Why can you say this to her twice

Drifter: Sol and Lua aren't gods, Lettie... they're just a star and a rock... (LettieRank3Convo2

[strange plinth]

and at rank 3? damn

i can understand the rank 1 as like. you don't fully know her yet
but rank 3?

[restive river]

He wasn’t offering help lol
He’s also more so mad about them USING his power without his permission and his finger being lost

[manic rover]

this might be analogous to non-christians saying christianity is polytheistic because of the trinity
an arrogant attempt at dumbing down one's beliefs

[restive river]

Ok I’m not gonna spoil myself but it looks like you can get more info about sol and lua from Lyon which
Yeah that makes sense lol, so wait n see or go do research on the kimulacrum

[manic rover]

well obviously

bro is probably the designated relgion 'tism guy

[restive river]

It’s more so someone saying “your god isn’t real because x y z and science”

[manic rover]

yeah that too

still wondering how kimulcrum gets the kim convos

[restive river]

I think datamining technically, though DE is seemingly fine with it as the site is still up and they are aware of it

The site that hosts it has a lot of cool tools, the color picker and text icons are def my favs next to the kimulacrum

[junior ocean]

Clems

[brittle siren]

tbh consider how the void keep making stuff from human memories and emotion, Sol and Lua maybe already real gods now

[junior ocean]

How are you guys clems?

[restive river]

Eeeh, I doubt that

[brittle siren]

not much because Darvo is hoarding him

[brittle siren]

yeah, because if they do we would know

just kinda copium

[restive river]

While conceptual embodiment does not need people within the void to happen I think if a sol and lua existed we’d have known about it

Like you’d think it would have happened with so many people on the planet praying, feeling, thinking of them

[brittle siren]

my theory that Wally is Lua and now we need Sol (I'm just guessing)

[restive river]

And if they did or do ever happen they ofc won’t be the real Sol and Lua

[brittle siren]

idk what Sol and Lua difference in that religion

[restive river]

I doubt that heavily tbh

I’ve seen a theory that Wally is one and the infested is the other and it just
Does not work, it’d make for a good fanfic or a completely different angle but I don’t think it really works for current WF

[brittle siren]

infested is Sol/Lua sound so weird

also the Void apparently is the third kind of god

[restive river]

That doesn’t exist?

[restive river]

It’s a theory i really don’t subscribe to

[brittle siren]

I base on many character saying "By the Void", not a literal god

[restive river]

The corpus worship the void and profit but not like
Not like its a god

[brittle siren]

yeah, Roathe said that too

so Void could be a religion

[restive river]

And ofc Wally isn’t a god

[restive river]

Anything can be

Fandoms are religions
You’re engaging in one right now

[brittle siren]

Clem religion

[restive river]

That’s our religion!

[ashen pulsar]

wasn’t the void discovered after the fall of dualism

[restive river]

I don’t think we know exactly when it was discovered

It also seems like humanity was interacting with the void while dualism was a thing, Marie for example talks about some monks or something that had weapons akin to the tauron ones

[craggy spade]

oh my god the new kim.

NO WAY IN HELL

i genuinely CANNOT see him doing that

[humble sierra]

Yeah that's 100% a manipulation tactic

[craggy spade]

de im gonna need a visual or an audio or something because thats crazy

[humble sierra]

Oh wait he's talking about Margulis? Yeah no Ballas was actually in love with her

Or at least the idea of her

[craggy spade]

yeah

wait what hes saying lines up with what we saw in the narmer veil

this lines up with what the veil showed us, which is presumably ballas's idea of what happened. margulis abandoning him for the tenno and whatnot. HOLD TF UP

they really added an in lore explanation TO CORPSES DISSAPEARING AFTER YOU KILL THEM

[proper barn]

This kinda makes sense.

[stiff beacon]

well at least for orokin

lol

[craggy spade]

grineer too by the looks of it

[craggy spade]

you get me

[brittle siren]

WHERE DID YOU GET THT URIEL GLYPH

I NEED IT

[craggy spade]

thats a creator glyph and its an excal helmet lol

[brittle siren]

Oh that Excal…

Ngl that looks so much like Uriel's head shape

[cunning tapir]

I can sorta see that what with Uriel's side-face.

[craggy spade]

lol fair lemme find the name of it

[craggy spade]

its the danily glyph, pretty sure the code is danily

[ashen pulsar]

yeah, the major difference is probably that he also has horns in the back of his head

[humble sierra]

It's also the chin

Uriel has a pointy chin

[brittle siren]

And his alternative helm is so good too

[brittle siren]

Thank you

[ashen pulsar]

true, although I prefer the normal one

[brittle siren]

Normal one dope too
I love alt because of the 2 giant horns

[fickle tinsel]

Were all Warframes primes in the old war?

[fast dew]

No

Only a select few were

[fickle tinsel]

Which ones were those?

[strange plinth]

i mean
most, if not all, of them had prime variants during the old war
just not all of them were prime. the normal ones existed at the same time
minus a few select cases (rev and temple, for instance)

[stiff beacon]

the ones with gold trim

[fickle tinsel]

ohhh

Did u need to be a certain rank to have a prime?

[silk atlas]

"The Prime Vanguard, reserved for the best of the best. The rest... were adequate"

[fickle tinsel]

Our operator was prime vanguard im guessing?

[strange plinth]

yea prolly

[silk atlas]

Nothing said but he's got a Excal Prime

[hidden cove]

Oh shit I forgot about the KIM

[ashen pulsar]

we will eventually learn what temple prime was when it’s time in a couple years

[brittle siren]

Also, iirc Roathe said Uriel Prime exists

[strange plinth]

indeed he did

[humble sierra]

And he knows who Uriel Prime is, but he will keep that a secret until his deathbed

or more likely in 4 years when we get a trailer for him

[strange plinth]

Roathe Will Die In 4 Years

[humble sierra]

Also am I correct in assuming Uriel is likely the most mass-produced Warframe that we've got confirmation of? He mentions all his soldiers were turned into Uriels because of the "Devil of Tau" moniker

However he also calls his 3 companions the Conscripts?

[lean garden]

arent those his demons lol

[humble sierra]

I wonder if there's a chat regarding them

[brittle siren]

My theory is that his prime will come out sooner than that, at least after a year or 2

[silk atlas]

"Mass produced" doesn't really mean anything because we're talking a whole solar system of people and it's never mentioned how many or few different frames are made about. Like, we don't even know how many were in Roathe's squad or whatever.

[quick lava]

Coming back after a bit of a break, where does warframe 1999 slot into the story? Do I need to read it for the old peace or is it kind of a standalone thing

[strange plinth]

the comic? its a 'prologue' for the hex quest

[lean garden]

do you mean the comic or the quest

[quick lava]

The quest i mean havent played in a while

[green beacon]

Wth happened to vesper relay at Venus?

[lean garden]

1999 is a concurrent story with Old Peace

[strange plinth]

they split off of the lotus eaters

[quick lava]

Oh so I can just jump right in then

[lean garden]

so drifter is off galavanting in 1999 Operator is living the sins of his forebears

[strange plinth]

blown up by vay hek's fomorians

[lean garden]

yeap you just need to do lotus eaters

[quick lava]

Alrighty thanks a bunch

[green beacon]

So about tau, do life bloom flowers grow on all planets or just the one where the quest happened

[strange plinth]

unknown, but wherever they were, there were world-seeders to kill them
else i don't think the sentients' reactions would've been as extreme

[green beacon]

Wait what are they even called, I just called em that for simplicity

[strange plinth]

xenoflora

[green beacon]

Ah

I lowk forgot😅

[rapid dagger]

Why did lotus erase our memories of the tau war?

[strange plinth]

would seem more that margulis did
sealing away trauma

[lilac aspen]

From how I interpreted it
His troop basically turned themselves into shock troopers by turning into Uriels despite knowing they’d have no Tenno to keep them sane and all that

Ngl
Peak loyalty to be willing to helminth yourself like that

[rapid dagger]

I mean at that point in the story the operator has been through many wars and a lot of stuff, sealing the memories because of tau seems a bit whatever?

[strange plinth]

many? one

[lilac aspen]

We reached the point Wally was beginning to influence us because we finally reached that breaking point of tolerance towards the “voice”

[rapid dagger]

Isn't it implied that this isn't our first mission?

[strange plinth]

we'd been through the first half of the old war
the section of it we were present for, anyway

[lilac aspen]

So she locked away the memories so we were no longer at that breaking point

Can’t be at the breaking point when we no longer remember why we should be at our breaking point

[rapid dagger]

Oh i get it, this is like a stop gap solution after using uriel

So what's the point of unsealing these memories?

Couldn't she just tell us a synopsis of what happened?

[lilac aspen]

Well obviously to not go through shock whenever we do get to Tau and also to prepare us for things since we had improved greatly since then

[strange plinth]

"This is the only way we'll find Al-"
we're trying to find a way to tau to follow albrecht
also lotus wasn't present for the old peace

[lilac aspen]

That too

[fast dew]

Somehow. No clue how Albrecht got there.

[lilac aspen]

Sure she could give you a history lesson somehow about some stuff

But why do that when you, yourself, experienced Tau firsthand

[fast dew]

I honestly think Albrecht is waiting for us to open the way and then go

[rapid dagger]

Lotus was literally there, what? She just had a different name

[brittle siren]

Though, interestingly, xenonflora separates Tau Sentient from Hunhow (?)

[fast dew]

...no

Margulis isn't the lotus.

[rapid dagger]

Drugs are the best thing ever I guess

[fast dew]

The lotus isn't Margulis.

[lilac aspen]

Natah wasn’t “born” yet

[heavy wharf]

Lotus is a Sentient made in the image of Margulis after she passed, right?

[strange plinth]

Natah wasn't made yet
she was conceived to burrow into the tenno nest in lua
can't get burrow into the nest if the nest doesn't exist yet

[brittle siren]

He can jump from time to time so jumping to Tau isn't that difficult I think

[fast dew]

They are! Drugs are awesome. I love my antidepressants :)

[lilac aspen]

Natah was born when Ballas decided to betray the Orokin and contacted Hunhow

[rapid dagger]

Ah yeah I forgot about that, she died and now we have a look a like

[fast dew]

Ehhh

[lilac aspen]

Time travel is different from traveling to a different planet

[brittle siren]

Or she did, but still in Praghasa (Praghasa died before the treaty iirc)

[strange plinth]

which only happened after margulis died
and she's still alive at the end of the old peace
(although she'll be executed shortly after)

[fast dew]

I mean, not exactly but there's a lot more to it.

[strange plinth]

praghasa would've died on the way to the origin system through the rail, no?

[fast dew]

Albrecht also doesn't have access to the things he did when he was time travelling.

[brittle siren]

Yes and that pre-treaty

So if she's dead, how is Natah gonna get birth?

[rapid dagger]

I also wonder if they explain why the orokin betrayed the sentient

[brittle siren]

They hate robot

[strange plinth]

hunhow and praghasa need to be able to make natah
and neither can if that is pre-treaty

[lilac aspen]

Hunhow

[fast dew]

Which is why Albrecht would probably need to have kidnapped Roathe before the events of 1999, as there's no real reason to why Albrecht could've left xx99

[lilac aspen]

Sentients may have he or she
But they all have “wombs”

[fast dew]

Sentients with pronouns are the result of our culture being forced onto em lol

Same goes for transformers actually

[rapid dagger]

I mean sentients are just clankers

[brittle siren]

But she is the child of both Hunhow AND Praghasa

[lilac aspen]

Hunhow is who created Natah
Hence why he’s her parent

[strange plinth]

praghasa died so that none of the other sentients she was carrying would
this includes hunhow, erra, and natah
they were just scarred, no longer able to have children

[rapid dagger]

They don't give birth , they are more like assembled like a machine or something

[fast dew]

Yeah and im the child of my dad and mother, doesn't mean my dad birthed me.

[lilac aspen]

Tbh
If the Sentients are how they are in a familial sense
It’s very easy to just assume one made Natah and both decided to be her parents

[fast dew]

... they havea womb. Hunhow has a womb.

[brittle siren]

If it's just from Hunhow then Natah would just be his drone entirely
Also, Erra said Natah has Praghasa fire

[fast dew]

Hunhow has a uterus

[lilac aspen]

Hunhow became Gregnant?!

[fast dew]

Drones aren't the same as what erra or natah are

[rapid dagger]

I don't think it's a literal womb? After all sentients are just ai?

[fast dew]

Drones are fragments of hunhow.

[lilac aspen]

I am too tired to be memeing

[fast dew]

They are specifically different

[brittle siren]

Everything from Hunhow is a drone, everything from Praghasa is a freaking space ship. Combine we have smol spaceship

[fast dew]

Drones are apart of the hivemind, Natah and Erra are not.

[rapid dagger]

Ah so they are more human like but not completely human I guess

[strange plinth]

they are ai, but there is a difference between an entirely new sentient being made (like natah or erra) and a fragment (conculysts, mimics, etc)

[brittle siren]

Natah kinda connects to Hunhow but he can't control her

[fast dew]

... no because natah and erra aren't drones

[rapid dagger]

So how is natah and hunhow able to be sane without them flowers

[fast dew]

They are physically not the same as fragments

[fast dew]

Mhm. Do we not see this everytime we see hunhow?

[lilac aspen]

Well yeah they’re connected
But not in a genuine hivemind way

But they are connected in a way that Natah actually had to dip briefly to make sure Hunhow couldn’t locate her

[rapid dagger]

Man idk what are you talking about because they look like modern pieces of art lmao

[brittle siren]

You misunderstood my point. Hunhow is only able to create a drone. So he needs Praghasa to make sentient beings that have their own mind

[strange plinth]

fragments likely reverted to the hivemind without the xenoflora
individual sentients probably did not. not fully, at least

[strange plinth]

hunhow is only able to make drones because he was void-scarred !

[lilac aspen]

He can’t make non-drones because he’s sterile from the void travel

[fast dew]

Think of it like Bluetooth instead of just a server

[fast dew]

He can't make other children because the orokin specifically designed them to become sterile after exposure to the void.

[brittle siren]

Fair, but I still think Praghasa actually helped in creating Erra and Natah.

[rapid dagger]

So natah and hunhow are clankers with faulty wi fi

[brittle siren]

Size diff-

[strange plinth]

well, the orokin designed them to die after exposure to the void
praghasa died so the others didn't, just becoming sterile instead

[brittle siren]

Like how they can even clank each other

[lilac aspen]

No no
It was made to outright murder them

It’s just Praghasa sacrificed herself as a giant meat shield to burden the majority of the void

[fast dew]

Oh.

[rapid dagger]

Nah bro natah is huge, i remember in the cinematic she loomed over us like a building

[brittle siren]

Does Hunhow just tuck himself in the throne room?

[fast dew]

Interesting. Still shitty tho.

[brittle siren]

Praghasa*

[fast dew]

Natah is massive lol

Natah also can willingly change her appearance. She's a mimic.

[brittle siren]

Also, it is still size diff, Praghasa can fit 100 Hunhow and still have spaces

[rapid dagger]

Prawho? I don't even remember who this is

[lilac aspen]

They survived the void travel solely because Praghasa was goated like that

But they still got some harm alas

[fast dew]

Sun eater.

[strange plinth]

praghasa, the gigantic ship that took a bite out of the sun

[brittle siren]

They being sarcastic

[fast dew]

The one who was used to try and eat the sun

[brittle siren]

Also Natah glazing

[lilac aspen]

Tried to take a bite out of the sun*

[strange plinth]

nah there's a bitemark there

she succeeded

[lilac aspen]

I still say we need to Kuva Hunhow to give him his Chad farmer stats back

[fast dew]

Natah glazing? What? She is a mimic sentient, we literally see hunhow fragments do the same thing 😭

They turn into inanimate objects, its like

The worst part of the sacrifice

[brittle siren]

Hunhow could have bitten a piece of Praghasa off and used it to make Natah and Erra

[fast dew]

I don't think we can do kuva on a sentient

[rapid dagger]

I mean praghasa is also huge af if you think about it

[brittle siren]

I was talking to the guy said “Prawho” and “Natah is big”

This guy @rapid dagger

[fast dew]

...no? What. Erra (or was it hunhow?) literally explains Natah's birth

[lilac aspen]

Gara sacrificed herself because the one giga sentient was trying to get to the tower because is discovered the Kuva traces could heal it. So she nuked it and herself to stop that nightmare from occurring

[strange plinth]

pazuul?

[fast dew]

OH YEAH

Pazuul, not Erra

[strange plinth]

"Do you remember, Natah? That first day. How our father, lifted you screaming from the manifold. How we sang."

[brittle siren]

And what did either of them say

Also it's a joke

[fast dew]

Is it a joke? It wasn't very funny

[brittle siren]

Is the manifold inside Praghasa

[fast dew]

...no

The manifold is a completely different thing

Adis' song is about the manifold

[brittle siren]

It means to joke about biting during mating but you do you

[fast dew]

... i don't see how that's a joke

[brittle siren]

Ok 👌

[fast dew]

Was it meant to be funny?

[strange plinth]

we have this mention of the manifold, and the song that adis sings, "Lullaby of the Manifold"

[lilac aspen]

DE please let us sit by grandfather Hunhow to listen to more Sentient lore

Make it a Christmas special

Christmas with Gramp Hunhow

[fast dew]

The manifold is clearly just a nursery of sorts.

[brittle siren]

I think the manifold is the black pool that many drones came out from (and that's just a smaller ship, Praghasa has to have tons of them)

So if Hunhow wants to lift Natah, either he goes inside Praghasa or uses telekinesis inside himself, which Erra needs to be inside his own father too

[lilac aspen]

I mean

Have you seen the size of Hunhow

[brittle siren]

But isn't he
Solid inside?

Idk what inside Hunhow tbh

[fast dew]

There's no indication he would need to be inside her what

[strange plinth]

if the manifold is the dark pools as they'd previously assumed, there is
but it probably isn't

[fast dew]

Hunhow literally has the womb, he, of all people, would be the one to lift natah

[brittle siren]

Same with Praghasa (she probably made those Sentient ships and those giant Sentient)

[strange plinth]

the murexes are prolly fragments of her

[brittle siren]

Man I want to talk with sentient grandma

She would be more chill than her husband

[strange plinth]

would she?

her purpose was to eat the sun

[brittle siren]

I mean she sang a lot

[lilac aspen]

Considering how sentients aren’t uh
Logical required to exist

[lilac aspen]

Ballas was using her ability to take stuff and turn it into other stuff to try to break down the sun to empower her enough to travel to Tau

[strange plinth]

"There is no time, no mercy for Narmer. Praghasa must be stopped before Ballas can fulfill her original purpose. Praghasa cannot be allowed to feed." Lotus during the unum murex section

[brittle siren]

Also, talk about the sun
Why is one of the twin suns of Tau sucking the other one?

[lilac aspen]

Hungri

[brittle siren]

Praghasa jr.

[lilac aspen]

Need more sun to maintain sun image

[waxen mesa]

What caused the Cavia to revive? Adis's light? Conceptual embodiment? The power of friendship?

Iirc they were cured of void exposure after dying

[lean garden]

nothing to do with adis's light lmao

its something to do with void anti-void and something else

and then theyre brought back

[waxen mesa]

Can you elaborate because that's kinda vague

[strange plinth]

Loid says that they've "alchemised"

[celest needle]

Was Umbra mass produced like other primes?

[waxen mesa]

No

[strange plinth]

Umbra was unique

[waxen mesa]

Umbra was a punishment frame

Like jade

To be more specific Umbra was a tailored version of the Excalibur warframe strain

[fast dew]

Basically got evened out by radiation (antivoid)

It took Loid that long to learn the void is weak to radiation while Qorvex is purpose built for it

[waxen mesa]

Related question

[lean garden]

thats literally all we got

like its slightly paraphrased but the key words are verbatim

[fast dew]

Is it about who made Qorvex

Bcs Albrecht designed it but Ballas likely made it

[lean garden]

tbf to loid, there are many kinds of radiation

[waxen mesa]

Have we gotten confirmation on if the cavia unreverted or is that still questionable (i do not take the cavia being fine post old peace as confirmation because they need to exist for gameplay reasons)

[hybrid silo]

What happened to Margulis eyes in the old peace quest?

[strange plinth]

they were burned out by a tenno accidentally
top contenders are us or rell

[fast dew]

Aint gamma radiation the only one that can damage things without needing to be swallowed?

[lean garden]

its scifi man weve got tenno trapping radiation

[strange plinth]

-# the nefarious tenno trapping radiation:

[fast dew]

My head hurts.

[lean garden]

given that you repel the murmur, they should have unreverted

[fast dew]

Loid hit it with the ekhein

Do you have any ibuprofen i have a headache

[strange plinth]

the triad apparently mention talking with them
so yea, they've unreverted

[lean garden]

Warframe is like soft scifi, no point treating it like hard scifi

[lean garden]

you be what?

[waxen mesa]

I'll take that! Thank you for reassuring me bird 3 is fine

[fast dew]

Roathe likes bird 3

[waxen mesa]

I like roathe so that makes sense

[fast dew]

It took me a second to get this

I... have mixed feelings over Roathe.

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/diemarchive-diem-roythedemon-ibuprofen-tylenol-gif-111849188049414722

[waxen mesa]

My father always told me you can always judge the integrity of a man by his love of bird 3

[humble sierra]

"Xenoflora" literally just means "alien plant"

[fast dew]

Note, not bird 3's love of man

Bird 3 loves everyone. He isn't a good judge of character

[lean garden]

roathe correctly identifies that bird 3 got deep insights

im telling you I can see the future with wally now

[fast dew]

Bird 3 doesn't like it when he's left out of things

[waxen mesa]

Bird 3 is smarter the he let's on

[fast dew]

Smarter but not like Fibonacci

[lean garden]

nah bird 3 is just like luffy

[waxen mesa]

Bird 3 has emotional intelligence. Fishonacci has book intelligence

[fast dew]

And tagfer has... trauma™

Loid and Tagfer need to talk more

They are so similar

[strange plinth]

loid needs to convince tagfer to not maul albrecht to death

[fast dew]

I think he could tbh

Going the Minn route

Explain that Loid will feel (and does feel) like how Tagfer does over Minn. It hurts to never be able to see someone you love

[hollow trench]

Archon amar is that wolf from the old peace

Holy shit

[strange plinth]

yea that's Amar

does make me wonder what Nira and Boreal were up to

sidenote boreal annoys me so much why do you not fit the naming conventions of the other two

[hollow trench]

Okay hear me out, we should have kept ballas alive and just tourtured him

And I'm talking gauntanamo bay x20

And I have a sneaking suspicion that adis will return.

But to be ultimately used against us and in the worst way possible

[proper barn]

No we aren't monsters calm down.

[hollow trench]

So yes and no

Alpha can be stopped by clothes

Beta is like block able with aluminum

But you need protective glasses

Gamma will be stopped by lead

X-rays going thru basically everything.

The radiation damage is only ongoing as long as the source of radiation is in of itself still unshielded and focused if possible

I worked at 3 mi island for a lil and picked up a lot of info

That's why I also find qorvex to be cool as shit but I know the radiation damage in game is super incorrect in how it functions vs irl

[hollow trench]

Dawg he turned a dawg into a archon. That's monster type shit

[strange plinth]

that was erra
"were made by my son, Erra. Hybrid abominations of the Old War... raised from the blighted battlefields where Sentient and Warframe fell." - hunhow

[hollow trench]

Wtf is going on with erra rn anyway

[brittle siren]

So the owl and the snake sentient would be dope in their animalistic form

[tame hedge]

Roathe himself confirmed there is Uriel Prime somewhere

[strange plinth]

pazuul shenanigans
collecting stuff and making propaganda

[brittle siren]

Pazuul controlling him

[hollow trench]

Who is pazuul

[strange plinth]

the Ram

[hollow trench]

Is he just like wally esque?

[strange plinth]

no

[brittle siren]

Kinda leader of the Archon

[strange plinth]

Pazuul yaps at you during archon hunts and shows up at the end of Veilbreaker

and doesn't exist otherwise

[brittle siren]

Can we ask Albrecht to tp to the past and kill the Ram

[tame hedge]

In future Boss Fights, since DE is gonna focus again on Operator

[brittle siren]

Also seem like 2026 has RJ update content

[strange plinth]

maybe. he needs to stay alive to continue yapping in archon hunts though

[hollow trench]

Railjack reminds me of ac4

[oblique plaza]

question, did we ever get an explanation on how he went from erra to pazuul?

[hollow trench]

We need space shanty's

[strange plinth]

lotus speculated that Nira had something to do with it, but no
my favorite interpretation is that The Ram headcrabbed itself over to Erra's body

[hollow trench]

That would be horrifying

Erra has a cool design

[tame hedge]

Well that's the thing no, but something happened during the moment he "helped us" and then during Veilbreaker quest and after that when we continued mission. More like behind the scenes if yk what I mean

[hollow trench]

Do we know how many people in game have made deals with the void?

I feel like it's a good handful of ppl

[strange plinth]

operator/drifter
uhh
parvos probably
baro ki'teer

[hollow trench]

The lotus?

[strange plinth]

no

[oblique plaza]

as far as we know, like 3

[proper barn]

Woman

I forget her name . 1999 woman.

[fast dew]

Mother did

[strange plinth]

oh rusalka, yes

[proper barn]

Mother did not?

[fast dew]

Rulsalka?

[tame hedge]

Vor

[fast dew]

WAIT MISREAD IT

[proper barn]

This is true.

[tame hedge]

Indifference doesn't pick sides, they just do whatever they want

[hollow trench]

Vor gets molly whopped and just comes back later

[strange plinth]

operator/drifter is obvious
parvos knows some voidtongue and has "the devil in his eye" (common phrase but it lines up with wally shenanigans)
baro made a deal to merge all the baros into one baro
rusalka took the deal because she was dying and had run out of things to run to
Vor. became corrupted vor. somehow. janus key shenanigans i guess

[brittle siren]

Luallby of the Manifold haunt my head

[proper barn]

Pick sides in what way?

[tame hedge]

Basically like "help", they just offer a deal and that's it

[hollow trench]

The indifference takes deals regardless of who it is

[tame hedge]

That is what I was telling

[hybrid silo]

Why was margulus's eyes hollow at the end of the old peace?

[hollow trench]

I was in the middle of typing when u said that 😂

Burned out of her head

[tame hedge]

Well I heard that it had to do something with us

[hybrid silo]

We did this?

[strange plinth]

they were burned out by a tenno accidentally
top contenders are us or rell

i had responded to you previously but ig you didn't see

[proper barn]

She was blinded by tenno way before the old peace.

[hybrid silo]

When they were on a rampage?

[hollow trench]

Most likely

[proper barn]

Not necessarily.

[oblique plaza]

before we had control of our void powers is all we know

[strange plinth]

more likely just overwhelmed by something

[hybrid silo]

Did Margulis had any part of ball ass plan in the old peace?

[tame hedge]

What I try to understand is our Lotus actually a Margulis which is why she has that hat on to not see the face what we have done?

[proper barn]

Imagine your a child where every adult you've seen for let's say months has been a evil adult that wants to kill you? @hybrid silo

[proper barn]

No. She's based on Margulis but is not her.

[oblique plaza]

im more concerned about the fact that she put us to sleep with almost no interaction, whats that all about

[tame hedge]

So for short a Sentient who can change to human form

[hollow trench]

Ye

[proper barn]

Well she's a mimic queen.

[strange plinth]

related to transference therapy, prolly

[hollow trench]

She was made to infiltrate

[proper barn]

Yeah.

The mimic sentients are her fragments.

[strange plinth]

conceived to burrow into the tenno nest and devour the pitch eggs or whatever hunhow was on about

[hybrid silo]

After the old peace update we're going straight to Tau in 2026 right?

[strange plinth]

Tau is probably the end of year update for 2026

[proper barn]

NOT STRAIGHT TO TAU GOD NO.

[tame hedge]

Wiping memory, remember the quest Vors prize and then The Second Dream? Yeah it was some years after The Old Peace. Our memories were wiped out

[proper barn]

But Tau 2026.

[hybrid silo]

WHAT?! No i can't wait that long 🙁

[lean garden]

we dont have a path to tau yet guys

[hollow trench]

So excal prime in the old peace was able to lift that big mech like thing adis pilots

How strong is excal actually?

These guys are strong obv but whats the metric for the strength

[fast dew]

Not at all

[silk atlas]

"That strong"

[fast dew]

They were playing.

[strange plinth]

oh wait that was natah lmao
"Conceived to burrow into nests and swallow the pitch-eggs of their war machine: The Tenno."

[oblique plaza]

couldnt have been the second dream

[silk atlas]

Yeah but that doesn't mean Adis wasn't putting some gas on that stomp

[hybrid silo]

I don't really understand the lore of Descendia gamemode. What are we doing anyway?

[oblique plaza]

we still have the whole old war after the old peace

[strange plinth]

second half of the old war*

[fast dew]

Roathe's mind and memories

[tame hedge]

Well nobody knows, but he could've been a lot strong since he was the first Prime and more experienced. But again it depend on holder

[lean garden]

beating up roathe in his head so he remembers better

[silk atlas]

Read Roathe's KIM. He can't use the Descendia thing himself and needs your help.

[proper barn]

What?

[fast dew]

Somehow this works

[lean garden]

I mean by that metric most warframes would also be that strong because it should be a design feature lol

[strange plinth]

was not lifting it, he was able to resist being crushed for a time, but only lifted when adis was pulling away

[tame hedge]

Lol we didn't even knew we had Operator in that moment. That's the whole point of memory wiping

[hollow trench]

So it's the operator that dictates strength partially?

[hybrid silo]

Another thing is Roathe the last Orokin or there are more?

[lean garden]

being the first means diddily squat for the warframe project

[silk atlas]

Entrati family:

[lean garden]

i mean theres the whole entrati family

[fast dew]

... the entrati family

[hybrid silo]

I forgor

[tame hedge]

For short yes they are just the puppets. Umbras were the ones who merged with humans

[ashen pulsar]

although now they're like infested orokin

rip

[lean garden]

yea... no...

[hollow trench]

Makes ya wonder how strong was rhino prime

[fast dew]

Nihil too, depends if you count him as alive

[oblique plaza]

you might be a little confused

[lean garden]

there has only ever been one umbra

[hollow trench]

Homeboy must have been roided out

[ashen pulsar]

none of them merged with humans and there's just excal umbra

[tame hedge]

Excalibur Umbra

[lean garden]

and every warframe is a replica of the "original"

[tame hedge]

Lmao I know

[lean garden]

even the umbra in your arsenal is a replica of the original

[tame hedge]

What I'm saying is Primes aren't same as Umbra

[hollow trench]

That's true yeah

[strange plinth]

yea, but how you're differentiating them was weird

[tame hedge]

Umbra is a human made hybrid which merged together with human

[lean garden]

yea no

[strange plinth]

all of the original frames were people that transformed

[ashen pulsar]

no

[lean garden]

your differentiation is hella weird

[hollow trench]

How do they see?

Is it like predator vision

[strange plinth]

its said outright in the vitruvians

[proper barn]

Huh?

[ashen pulsar]

sensors ig

[tame hedge]

And so is your ego

[lean garden]

ad hominems in record time

[ashen pulsar]

anyways umbra's just a one-off warframe that was made to act like a gen 1. nothing special about him otherwise

[strange plinth]

"We cultured the Infestation, conceiving of a hybrid. Transformed, but only just. The 'Helminth' was created, born to yield these new warriors, worthy of battle against you. The great and terrible Hunhow.
We took our greatest, volunteers or not, and polluted them with these cultured reagents. They transformed. They became Infested...
... but only just. Their skin blossomed into sword-steel. Their organs, interlinked with untold resilience. Yet their minds were free of the Infested madness. Or so we thought. We set them upon the battlefield, bio-drones under our command."

were people, transformed with infestation. all original frames, not just umbra.

[oblique plaza]

umbra has memories and thats why he's like that

[tame hedge]

So wait the puppets which don't move were they human I mean Primes?

Not the Standard ones

[brittle siren]

All warframe was once human or copies of the OG version

[ashen pulsar]

Those were generation 2 frames. basically frames that weren't designed to think.

[strange plinth]

the inert frames are just copies of the originals with dormant minds
prime/standard doesn't matter

[tame hedge]

Is it yes or no? Simple

[ashen pulsar]

either they were people or copies.

[strange plinth]

even the copies are arguably still people

[tame hedge]

Ew so we are inside a human

[lean garden]

given umbra the copies are people

[ashen pulsar]

idk if that counts since there's basically nothing left that is human

[lean garden]

then the og wouldnt count either

[ashen pulsar]

just as much people as the original frames

[strange plinth]

brain dead person is still a person in this instance

[tame hedge]

But again if they were human, how they got like that I mean designed perfect especially Primes? And how they got rid of organs?

[glacial bough]

They didn't

[fierce coral]

so ummmmmmm... why is the phone back where lotus was in sanctum?

[nocturne valve]

Seems like Roathe is afraid of speaking of Uriel prime. Spooky

[strange plinth]

the primes are just fancy variants of the regular ones, no actual difference
the organs stayed inside

[tame hedge]

And outside apperance?

[ashen pulsar]

helminth fuses the organs together. we dont sit inside them.

[tame hedge]

Basically like Bluetooth

[strange plinth]

its transference. extending your mind into a proxy

[tame hedge]

But we use transference

[ashen pulsar]

Their skin blossomed into sword-steel. Their organs, interlinked with untold resilience.

[tame hedge]

Yes I was typing

[ashen pulsar]

little more than brain dead.

but yeah its just as human as the og

but the clones were never human in the past

[tame hedge]

But question, if those people can't move anymore and we control them. Do their organs still function. How do they eat and other stuff?

[strange plinth]

the helminth cares for them
the big mouth in the back of the ship

[ashen pulsar]

they don't. their organs fused together into something for the helminth to use

[tame hedge]

But you need something to keep them functioning

[ashen pulsar]

we dont know the biology of a frame but it isnt the same as a human

[ashen pulsar]

yeah helminth does that

[tame hedge]

Because if it does 't functions it just has expiry

[strange plinth]

void power and whatever the helminth does

[tame hedge]

Yeah I just wanted to understand Helmith more

And frames

[ashen pulsar]

helminth nourishes the frames and nurses them back to health

[tame hedge]

Thought that all got replaced but no they have organs

[ashen pulsar]

probably not recognizable ones tho

[brittle siren]

Also at the beginning of Old Peace, apparently we can bring xenoflora with us during transference

[fast dew]

Organs turned vestigial

[strange plinth]

"(Who nurtures you in your times of rest? Who restores your battle-torn frame, day after day after day? Whose milk enriches your kindred flesh with endless strength and vigor? It can only be me.)" is what the helminth says

[tame hedge]

Now I ever wonder, if helmith ever will allow frames to move and help us in future missions? 🤔

[main crane]

Their organs were blended together and became steel. It's what Ballas said in the Vitruvian.

[strange plinth]

organs were linked and the skin became like sword-steel

[ashen pulsar]

their skin became steel. their organs just "interlinked"

[main crane]

Oh right. Thanks for correcting me.

[hollow trench]

So to my best guess the organs dont do anything functional anymore

You have sensors for propioception energy readouts damage detection and balance but functionally there's no visible eyes or ears.

Maybe it's like lidar?

[tame hedge]

I got ya, began being confused

[oblique plaza]

no. pretty sure DE had an idea for that once with the somatic fibers from lua but it never worked out

[brittle siren]

Does anyone see Nidus Prime true form look like Venom in Marvel

[strange plinth]

people hated that umbra constantly messed up their buffs, so future plans that involved a frame doing its own thing were scrapped iirc

[ashen pulsar]

organs might help helminth heal them but we dont know

[hollow trench]

Eddie that grineeer looks awful tasty

[tame hedge]

So having other Umbras also got scrapped and we got only one?

[brittle siren]

Only one

[oblique plaza]

umbra was most likely always meant to be a one off

[brittle siren]

We can't even copy another one

[strange plinth]

if we were ever going to have additional umbras, that was also scrapped yes

[tame hedge]

I mean there is Umbra Prime for China

[ashen pulsar]

although it didn't need to be "other umbras" there were other frames that could think.

[brittle siren]

Non canon

[ashen pulsar]

lots of them

[hollow trench]

It's funny cause we are basically piloting around blind and deaf bombs that can level cities and the only thing that allows us to communicate is the void

[tame hedge]

Did you try?

[brittle siren]

Imo Umbra is better than Prime anyway /s

[stray herald]

Can i get a quick description for all the seven? Like the most known fact of action that they have done?

[main crane]

Excalibur Umbra Prime is not canon to the Warframe lore.

[tame hedge]

But I also think it's not fair they got Prime and we didn't. And they get our Umbra after the quest

[brittle siren]

It the same thing lmao

Like only the name is different

[main crane]

Actually, they don't

[silk atlas]

That's because they couldn't get the regular Excal Prime

[tame hedge]

Good

[brittle siren]

They're not even an Umbra Braton

[ashen pulsar]

umbra can be prime if you subtract a mod slot and add 15% ability str

[main crane]

Iirc those who got Excalibur Umbra Prime in China got a helmet or something else after doing The Sacrifice

[brittle siren]

I mean he have 3 Umbra slot

[strange plinth]

Tuvul - involved w/ zariman and died to voruna
Avantus - died to a grineer saw lmao
Ballas - you should know tbh. warframes and manipulation
Karishh - gluttony and dying to grendel
Nitokh - bloody, apparently. worse than ballas according to roathe. attempted a coup
Scarne - ???
Tormis - ???

[brittle siren]

So he kinda a Prime

[ashen pulsar]

wait that's an exilus slot

[tame hedge]

So for short it was just cosmetic but same design such as torso and everything?

[ashen pulsar]

can be forma'd

[main crane]

Yup. Pretty much everything the same except the fancy helmet

[ashen pulsar]

they have the same stats

iirc

[tame hedge]

I have a question

Again about frames

[brittle siren]

Iirc Umbra prime has worse stat than our Umbra

[hollow trench]

Isn't that version of Warframe canned

[ashen pulsar]

I meant umbra and prime

[tame hedge]

So the ones on 1999 storyline, and what we used on first quest Vor's Prize such as Mag and the others? Is that Aoi?

[brittle siren]

The same

[strange plinth]

no. the protoframes (barring a few exceptions) do not survive to the point that we use frames in the origin system

[brittle siren]

No 😭

[sick nebula]

Scarne is the leader of the peace faction in The Old Peace

[next mica]

no, proto were created after the base frames

[fast dew]

Radwars my beloved

[tame hedge]

Imagine being butthurt if I'm just asking

[brittle siren]

1999 is eon away from current time

[brittle siren]

I'm not even butthurt

[next mica]

so its the opposite, aoi came from mag

[stray herald]

Good thing we now have some info on scarne thx to roathe

[fast dew]

Time travel shenanigans

[next mica]

yeah cant trust time as a reference

[strange plinth]

information that i did not have
but it seems you do, so

[ashen pulsar]

aoi came a while after (but actually before) mag and mag prime

[tame hedge]

Then don't act like it? I'm asking and want to be corrected if I'm wrong not this "🤓" and ego? How old are you?

[stray herald]

Its from his voicemail

[fast dew]

Oh yeah i still never got told what Avantus did that was so bad

[brittle siren]

Im using crying emoji...

[fast dew]

Like she's an orokin

[sick nebula]

Also, Tormis was the first Executor to visit Tau

[tame hedge]

Emote was an ego and smartass

[main crane]

Lorewise, only Flare/Temple managed to get to the future.

[brittle siren]

???????

[strange plinth]

huh??

[fast dew]

What else did she do

[ashen pulsar]

temple is the only frame actually from 99, cyte did exist but was confidential iirc

[tame hedge]

Not you

[fast dew]

Like is she like. A mass murderer like Nitokh

[brittle siren]

Actually, they did exist during Orokin era but Ballas never made them

[fast dew]

Or like
Just the average orokin asshat

[ashen pulsar]

the strain was made

[ashen pulsar]

not the frame itself, and it probably got changed a bit by having flare be the one to take it

[main crane]

All of the 7 are pure madness, with Nitokh described as the most evil. Next is probably Ballas but who knows.

[brittle siren]

Imagine being rude for no reason. So sensitive.

[ashen pulsar]

lizzie probably wouldnt have happened for one

[fast dew]

This isn't helping you.

[tame hedge]

Meanwhile you at start be like:

[brittle siren]

Nor do you

[fast dew]

Hm?

[brittle siren]

I'm not even rude to you lmao

That sobbing emoji

[fast dew]

Im just pointing out that you are being actively passive aggressive

[main crane]

Chill out people

[tame hedge]

Get lost

[strange plinth]

they used an emoji and you took it as an entirely different thing

[next mica]

both of ya could you stop? this is a lore chan not a beef one, go in dm if you want to argue

[fast dew]

If i wanted to be mean, i absolutely would be.

[sick nebula]

Oh, actually there's two things on Scarne:

1. He was TERRIFIED of the Sentients, and wanted to retreat to the Void and just hide. (It didn't work)
2. He was the leader of the peace faction during TOP

The two things might be related

[brittle siren]

I wonder why

[stray herald]

That def falls in line with roathe’s voicemail

[tame hedge]

That's the thing I was asking and wanted to be corrected if I'm wrong about frames, till this person came

[strange plinth]

a guitar, maybe, but prolly not Lizzie, no
albrecht did mention that the strain would improve Flare's performances

[brittle siren]

I'm being perfectly normal self and suddenly using emoji is a sins now

[sick nebula]

Both of these are from Roathe

[brittle siren]

Anyway

[stray herald]

I can see that

[fast dew]

I need to change my pfp to an Albrecht one

[strange plinth]

more roathe vms i haven't gotten yet

[ashen pulsar]

LMAO

[fast dew]

I feel out of place w my doomguy one

[tame hedge]

It's not about the emoji it's context to it

[main crane]

I need more of Roathe's vms. I need to farm Descendia.

[next mica]

with roath giving us so many info about executor do you think we may find than some of them may have somehow survived on tau on the next update?

[stray herald]

Roathe VMs seem to be limited, and only more VM will come the next irl day starts

[strange plinth]

i just don't want to screw up his KIM convos lmao
haven't done a ton of descendia

[stray herald]

But descendia is part of the process

[hollow trench]

I'd be terrified too, can't trust the people u work with and they decide hey let's make synthetic life! It won't back fire I promise

[sick nebula]

• Nitokh, STILL leading the Anarchs
• Scarne, gibbering in terror
• Tormis... who knows

[brittle siren]

And? Sobbing emoji somehow offended you? Also, you literally said “emote was an ego and smartass”. Ok sorry for being a normal person and using sth that was implemented on my phone

I will stop now

[strange plinth]

please do

[stray herald]

We might get~~ torbek~~ tormis in next VM batch

[brittle siren]

Copium

[hollow trench]

Honestly I'd rather be turned into a Warframe over most of the stuff that happened. Like I'm gonna die let me be a super weapon at least

[brittle siren]

I hope we have more lore about that Cephalon during Old Peace

[tame hedge]

Offended nah fam lol, again context. Idk you don't wanna know. And let's move on "normal person"

[brittle siren]

I want to be Uriel

[fast dew]

Id rather be glassed.

[brittle siren]

Burn eternally

[strange plinth]

ehhh
your mind would be subsumed into the infested hive and (likely) go feral
not the greatest of fates

[brittle siren]

Considering Nihil did it and almost immortal, yeah

[hollow trench]

Ordis got done dirty

[main crane]

You'd probably be one of Roathe's soldiers lmao

[waxen mesa]

I mean granted I didn't choose to kill him, but given the choice exists i imagine he won't be showing up again.

Likely taken back to Origin or just left on Tau to rust. I don't get the impression cephalons have backups

[fast dew]

Mhm.

Being a warframe is a damnable experience.

[main crane]

Daklo the racist Cephalon

[waxen mesa]

speaking of Roathe

[strange plinth]

Ordis got blown up during the new war n he's fine

[brittle siren]

I mean you just killed his sentinel body not his core

[waxen mesa]

do we know the specifics of what he did to earn his title yet? or is that coming later in KIM chats nobody has reached yet

[main crane]

I blew up Daklo because it's funny

[hollow trench]

I spared him

[main crane]

It added to the depth of the Operator's crashout

[fast dew]

Roathe talks about the pain of being helminth'd

Not fun.

[hollow trench]

What does he say

[fast dew]

Lemme pull it up

[brittle siren]

So you are Ballas, killing ppl that do nothing to you

[fast dew]

Albrecht kidnaps his ass and it was funny asf tho

[hollow trench]

Like one of those traps in family guy

Ooh piece of candy

[strange plinth]

roathe's kidnapping would be a family guy cutaway gag wouldn't it

[ashen pulsar]

let daklo sit with his favorite sentients for however many hundreds of years. maybe it'll give him a new outlook on them.

[hollow trench]

😂 I can see it

[main crane]

Well, he knew what Ballas was planning and didn't tell us so I blew him up.

[brittle siren]

I mean the Daughters no longer racist only for a few minutes being with Kahl

[brittle siren]

He didn't though

The Grineer does

[waxen mesa]

excuse me?

[brittle siren]

Post new war quest btw

[ashen pulsar]

can cephalons mature tho?

[waxen mesa]

she is super racist to kahl

[fast dew]

Daughter still is kinda racist ngl

[hollow trench]

Daklo saying void lugger had me dead silent tho

[brittle siren]

I mean even Simaris can

[ashen pulsar]

ehhhhhhh

[waxen mesa]

she only has a turn around like, in rank 5 communications

[ashen pulsar]

maturity is subjective

[brittle siren]

Do you feel hate to cockroaches

[fast dew]

Daughter is very privileged and isn't aware of it imo

[fast dew]

Ill be honest, no

I don't like them in my house, sure

[waxen mesa]

are...are you calling Kahl a cockroach?

[fast dew]

But i don't have a hatred for them

[brittle siren]

I mean current Grineer look like one

[fast dew]

The native roaches here are actually rather cute

[waxen mesa]

that's kinda racist bro

[brittle siren]

I hate clem /j

[fast dew]

Classist is more the correct term

[sick nebula]

Making exceptions just means they're not married to to the -ism.

It doesn't mean they've stopped.

[brittle siren]

Tbh most creature we saw beside sentient, infested and plant life, all is originate from human

[fast dew]

Its not discrimination based on race. Its on class.

[stray herald]

So what was the relationship between roathe and nitokh? Aside from roathe being her right hand man

[sick nebula]

Now, don't get me wrong: that step is important, but it's not the whole journey

[fast dew]

It was probably more than friendly.

[brittle siren]

Nitokh is his master

[waxen mesa]

I mean the grineer were pretty much treated as non-humans

[brittle siren]

And he saw her nude

[fast dew]

Wouldn't say its master

Orokin don't have masters

[brittle siren]

She is the Seven
He follows her around

[ashen pulsar]

idk about VERY priveleged

shes still infested

[fast dew]

Eh

Privileged enough to call a person a slur

[brittle siren]

Seven is the highest possible rank. Even low Orokin have to obey them in a way

[waxen mesa]

what are you on about?

Orokin obeyed the Executors who obeyed the emperors

[hollow trench]

Daughter is the best looking tbh

[stray herald]

I think the seven are connected in some way to the seven deadly sins

[brittle siren]

Emperors has no real power

[brittle siren]

I mean yeah

[waxen mesa]

well the executor part holds true

[brittle siren]

One of them is gluttony

[stray herald]

Ballas is pride
Nitokh is lust

[fast dew]

Not masters imo, master implies that its forced. It very much wasn't. Its kinda more of a business deal

[waxen mesa]

orokin might have been the ruling class but some of them were more rulers then others

[brittle siren]

Ballas is Pride I think

[fast dew]

Ballas is pride. I have the strangest feeling Scarne is violence

[brittle siren]

Tuvul is Greed

[stray herald]

Violence is not one of the sins

[brittle siren]

Maybe

[fast dew]

SHIT

[stray herald]

Wrath is the closest

[tame hedge]

I never liked Ballas

[glacial bough]

If the Seven have anything to do with sins, Ballas is lust

[thick yacht]

Karishh is sloth or greed

[brittle siren]

Wrath

[fast dew]

Sorry dante's inferno mind happened

3 games i play all have it as a central theme

[brittle siren]

Eh no, Roathe said he kinda afraid to touch Margulis

[glacial bough]

Karishh is Gluttony, Tuvul is Pride

[sick nebula]

Do we know this, or is it just speculated?

Roathe mentions something about the Emperors actually getting up and doing stuff during the Old War.

[fast dew]

Its tiresome sometimes

[thick yacht]

The Seven

[fast dew]

Nah, ballas is pride

[waxen mesa]

ok i just finished talign with Roathe and found i had a question

[stray herald]

What were all the stuff tuvul did?

[fast dew]

Tuvul would be envy, yeah?

[waxen mesa]

does the Drifter know about the night of naga drums?

[fast dew]

THATS A SIN RIGHT

[thick yacht]

yes

[brittle siren]

If he is lust, then he already with Margulis on the bed every day

[tame hedge]

I wonder what happened to them or if we ever will see them

[thick yacht]

Karishh, Avantus, Ballas, and Tuvul are confirmed dead

[oblique plaza]

i thought it waa the other way around tbh

[stray herald]

No, ballas made marge his trophy wife

[thick yacht]

Nitokh, Tormis, and Scarne are unknown

[waxen mesa]

ah...then i declare Drifter "Dummy™" for not knowing why Raothe calls them Usurper

[fast dew]

I still don't know what Avantus did 😭

[glacial bough]

Roathe afraid, or Ballas affraid, because everything Ballas does is fueled by lust for Marg

In his own words no less

[thick yacht]

From what we know rn? Nothing

She was just killed by the Grineer during the collapse

[fast dew]

Oh neat

[oblique plaza]

fueled by the envy he feel towards us

[fast dew]

So i won't get murdered for liking her

[tame hedge]

So wait Indifference didn't help Ballas at all just let him die? We saw him falling etc. Just to be sure he is dead dead and not gonna be back nobody will help him?

[thick yacht]

The indifference has no love for the Orokin

[fast dew]

The indifference hates them.

Which is funny lol

[tame hedge]

I mean but indifference makes the deals, no matter who it is but I see now he doesn't like them like at all and avoids them

[brittle siren]

They take his finger lmao, ofc he would hate them

[stray herald]

Trophy wife, marge

[fast dew]

Like darn bro is hating on everyone but the person who cut his finger off (not Albrecht, its Euleria)

[stray herald]

Even more so in natah

[brittle siren]

Eh Euleria is just doing what her dad said

She don't know a thing

[glacial bough]

That reads as quintessential lust. He's not afraid, he's lovestruck

[thick yacht]

Also didn’t Roathe confirm grandmother’s name is Dagath?

[fast dew]

We knew this ages ago

[strange plinth]

was already known

[thick yacht]

🗿

[sick nebula]

They appear to be alphabetical:

• Avantus
• Ballas
• Karishh
• Nitokh
• Scarne
• Tormis
• Tuvul

[fast dew]

We knew this since Dagath's release lol

[brittle siren]

That name confirmed when Dagath was released

[thick yacht]

🗿

[fast dew]

This is intentional, this isn't an official render

I know the person who made it. That's how i know lol

[thick yacht]

Avantus seemed to have the most balls out of all of them

During the collapse she was fine with roaming in the dark with nothing but her pistol

[fast dew]

Avantus is so pretty

[thick yacht]

Meanwhile Ballas ran away like a coward

[fast dew]

I wanna brush her hair

[tame hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/photo-totally-saving-this-gif-13964080

[glacial bough]

Would have to see what Avantus statue in game looks like

[tame hedge]

He always were one

[fast dew]

Hits you with individual versions of the two femme executors

[fast dew]

Its in the render lol

[tame hedge]

I think he needed more torture

[brittle siren]

Isn't those statue is in the quest?

[fast dew]

Yeah

But you can only access a certain amount

[brittle siren]

First one def Avantus, she only holding a knife

[sick nebula]

Oh, apparently Father's old name was Petros

[fast dew]

Yeah

Shout out to Roathe

[brittle siren]

Name drop for Son and Daughter pls

[thick yacht]

Need both of these fits tbh

I want to make my drifter look like an executor

[stray herald]

The right one has to be nitokh

[brittle siren]

Roathe? More like Goathe

[fast dew]

Petros, the original Greek version of the name Peter meaning "stone" or "rock"

[sick nebula]

Players aren't allowed to have skin below the neckline yet. 😄

[brittle siren]

I want Ballas signa

[fast dew]

Interesting. Wonder what thay means

[brittle siren]

As much as I hate Ballas, I love his drip so much

[thick yacht]

I fully understand why for the operator as that is a child but drifter is a whole adult they should just make the outfits for drifter

[fast dew]

Tbf its probably cuz it would be required for both operator and drifter

[fast dew]

They really don't like doing this

I think it changes on a few things, but its a minority

[sick nebula]

Petros Vorten and Euleria Entrati

[sick nebula]

This is infringing on our right to bare arms. 😄

[thick yacht]

Hopefully they change their mind eventually

[fast dew]

I doubt it

[glacial bough]

They aren't

[hollow trench]

Coughing baby (grineer or enemy faction) vs hydrogen bomb (literally any Warframe)

You know what's terrifying to consider is the amount of strength behind melee based frames like atlas

[fast dew]

They do seem to avoid being overtly sexual to the drifter

[glacial bough]

Any suit is gonna have to be compatible for Drifter and Operator

[fast dew]

Only the warframes.

[brittle siren]

Roathe armor satisfied me a lot

[strange plinth]

-# inb4 "atlas punched an asteroid"

[fast dew]

Oh yeah what did Eleanor mean by "i want to paint myself". What does that mean

[hollow trench]

Took the words out of my mouth

[strange plinth]

he hit a specific weakpoint made much weaker by the rumblers

[thick yacht]

That’s definitely cap, Arthur says some WILD shit in the backroom

[strange plinth]

he didn't just punch an asteroid. he is not even close to strong enough to do that

[fast dew]

I need to rephrase, sexual to the drifter's design 😭

[hollow trench]

But his impact force has to be equivalent to several tons if not more

[fast dew]

Ehh

Its mythos.

[thick yacht]

I need a proper fit for when I Romance Roathe

[fast dew]

I do wonder if we get a cutscene over ||Loid reuniting with the family||

[thick yacht]

All we need after that is to find some Orokin tech that’s gene locked or at least templates and that’s safety for the system

Drifter x Roathe tagteam of the corpus and Grineer

[brittle siren]

Become blue like him and wear his fit

[thick yacht]

Origin system will have new rulers

[hollow trench]

It'd be cool to know how much the warframes weight is

[fast dew]

Become Roathe

[sick nebula]

I think she means making a painting.

She mentions making paintings a couple times in KIM

[fast dew]

Minus the tail, sadly

[fast dew]

OHHHH

[brittle siren]

His hairline is kinda meh but it's fit him

[fast dew]

Holy shit im dense

[brittle siren]

I want a demon tail ephemera so much

[sick nebula]

Nah, it's reasonable to consider other possibilities.

See: burgers.

[fast dew]

huh.

[strange plinth]

maybe
though i thought the other option was more likely

[fast dew]

Oh yeah, we got an argon burger ingredient list didn't we?

I wanna make one

[thick yacht]

Drifter and Roathe would unironically probably make better rulers of the system than the likes of Parvos and the Twin Queens

Roathe would probably be disgusted by the twin queens thinking about it

Barely even Orokin anymore

[sick nebula]

Well, yes. They're twins!

[thick yacht]

And they don’t even have proper bodies

[strange plinth]

-# does the twins bit matter if one is dead

[hollow trench]

Might as well murk the other one

You'd think the grineer after losing a queen would do a little more research and development into stopping us from getting that close again

[thick yacht]

If we find out how to blow up that asteroid that’s it for the Grineer Empire

[hollow trench]

But they continue with the ole just throw bodies at them.theyll stop sooner or later implying the operator gets bored with literally killing

[hollow trench]

Atlas has the opportunity to do.the funniest thing

Again 😂

[thick yacht]

Why wouldn’t we

We killed so much we don’t care anymore

If the Grineer want to keep throwing meat crews at us that’s on them

Garuda will rip them apart all the same

[hollow trench]

True you'd think they'd get the hint that we aren't phased by it

[oblique plaza]

hey is kullervo responsible or related at all to the creation of uriel
kullervo's 5th crime: You saw the new generation of your kind and the Tenno whose deviltry blent with theirs; and you began to whisper corruption into their ears, weave dark thoughts through the coils of their minds. Incepting, as is your wont, chaos and disaster. You are charged with Espionage.

[hollow trench]

Idk

[thick yacht]

You’d think the QUEENS would know better

They are Orokin, they likely remember at least part of the old war that the Tenno fought in

And they think they can pull the same schtick as the Sentients

[hollow trench]

This is true, the grineer are like fml when they see us so the queen that's left is okay with just throwing them into the fray

[thick yacht]

Worm queen doesn’t seem that bright

[hollow trench]

You know from an outside perspective warframes are probably the one thing you don't want to see, regardless of what side your on

Cause they aren't brought in for nothing

[hollow trench]

Or just ignorant to the loss of life

[pine orchid]

considering we mow down hundreds of soldiers even the elite dax within the span of minutes, yeah

[hollow trench]

I'd have to be the random.grineer or corpus just trying to get by and I catch a glimpse of one of them

Hate

[pine orchid]

she IS Orokin, and that’s what they’ve always done just throw more grineer at the problem

maybe she doesn’t care enough to think of more efficient ways, they just make more Grineer XD

[hollow trench]

Surprised they don't fight back against the queen given the sheer numbers

[pine orchid]

they’re blindly loyal to their queens, kahl and his lil troop are the exception

[silk atlas]

They're genetically engineered to serve the queens

[silk atlas]

And the ones in the Defection game mode. And the Steel Meridian

[proper barn]

The Grinner think the Queens as their leaders originally ciz they fought the Queens. And they respected them cuz the Queens where twins

And thus like them kinda.

[pine orchid]

ah yeah, i forgot about those XD

[hollow trench]

The corpus just get on my nerves, the grineer I kinda feel bad for cause you are built that way and ya gonna suffer

[thick yacht]

“Lust was my sin. But greed is the blight that weakens our steel. These industrialists have gorged on the harvest of our long war. Their mind drones; Their mechanizations, toil in foundries remote. For what purpose? We must set watch upon them. Baiting our snares with the worms of profit.

Those kneeling at the altar of commerce will be returned... to the Void.” - Ballas

I have to agree with Ballas here

[sick nebula]

Steel Meridian are notable because they very definitely do have the compulsion to serve the queens.

The just reject it. Over and over again.

Which I think is an adequate explanation for how some Sentients retain their sense of self without the flowers:

Adis says that without the pollen, they feel a desire for orders, but as Steel Meridian shows, that sort of desire can be resisted.

[brave viper]

The flowers allowed the sentients to be completely self-aware but the orokin assertion that without the flower there can be no self is clearly incorrect. There's no way of telling what the collapse of millions of previously independent minds into one. If the sentients were to adapt and the seed of individual has already been planted, than it stands to reason that it would quickly develop subminds, children, restore individuality to some who may serve as their most elite.

It's kinda sad to see that the sentients we know are not as self-aware as the sentients on Tau, it's clear the sentient footsoldiers are just extensions of their commander, which, rather morbidly, implies that perhaps all sentients are pieces of hunhow which he has surrendered when they all consolidated within him.

what if we let hunhow out and he could command all sentients 😳

they've been isolated from him for so long, he can't exert control so he just influences, but wouldn't it be cool if he was free and suddenly subsumed the entire sentient force once again

[hollow trench]

Isn't hunhow rotting away tho

Hes like super old

[thick yacht]

He would die

[humble sierra]

So... I was just killing some enemies as Lyon...

[brittle siren]

What

Ah

As Lyon

[humble sierra]

I tried finding the dialogue but it doesn't seem the website that has all the audio files has updated

But anyways he just said "Yes, yes, yes! Rap tap tap!"

[brittle siren]

Rell is haunting him

(not canon btw)

I was joking

[pine orchid]

I can't wait to get to talk to Lyon

I'm sticking to the in game messenger, pace myself with the lore 😂

[brittle siren]

Wait so when Roathe said “angry kavat” he was talking about Lyon?

[pine orchid]

Lyon does have the countenance of a grumpy cat

I wouldn't be surprised if Lyon does hear Rell in some way, since he said smth about Rell guiding him when you get the Lorak from Marie

[brittle siren]

Rell somehow became a demigod while fighting against another demigod of the void

Or a prophet, idk

But Rell's voices echo through the past is interesting

[pine orchid]

I thought it might be Wally mimicking Rell's voice, like he does with our operator, Albrecht, Loid, and so on

[brittle siren]

Nah Wally is busy playing with the Drifter + Duviri

And with the OP too

[pine orchid]

but Rell is revered by the Red... faction I forgot their name

[brittle siren]

Funny that Wally was present in 1999 and his murmur was just hunting for the OP

[brittle siren]

Red Veil

[pine orchid]

right thank you

[brittle siren]

Which I don't think exists until after Orokin falls

Oh wait they do exist during Old War but very small

[pine orchid]

I was trying to consider if their reverence could elevate Rell into that kind of status throigh Conceptual Embodiment

but that requires void stuff I think? and idk if there's enough void stuff going on with Red Veil

[brittle siren]

I think Red Veil atm no longer hold the same ideal like when Rell join them anymore

Ofc some still

[pine orchid]

yeah, but idk if at the time he was around it would've been enough

we know we see Paladino revere him like a prophet

[brittle siren]

He certainly more powerful than most Tenno

Creating shadows across the system is insane