lore-discussion

[thick yacht]

And also Roathe makes mention of the “butler” standing over him

[stray flare]

Huh, ok. So despite selling his entire race Roathe still considers him "Not the worst"...

Man, I am feeling ever more glad for the night of Naga drums if that is level we are working with

[thick yacht]

The Executors were terrible beyond belief but the orokin themselves and the Empire was probably not beyond salvation

The thing is the orokin needed to be willing to shuffle off the stage and allow regular humans to rule alongside them

To build a truly strong human empire

[pale cedar]

Considering the family live on an infested moon

Uriel loves in a portal room of a Lab almost nobody is meant to know of

Nihil hid in the weave

Queens don't even look like Orokin anymore

I'd say he's being unreliable but giving a safe assumption if we didn't know otherwise like we do

[stray flare]

...

Tenno please.

They had private armies and prolonged their lives via red Kuva. Also, blue Kuva existed. Slavery was legal, including sexual slavery based on Dagath story.

At the begining empire maybe was Ok, but by the end, oh boy, nope, we are probably talking Dark Eldar level shit

[thick yacht]

And are the Grineer and corpus any better?

Are their empires any more noble than the Orokin?

The corpus are a merchant cult of naked greed and ambition, and the Grineer are degrading clones who believe any who are not them should be destroyed

[stray flare]

And both allow upward mobility for their subjects, which is already more than orokin

[pale cedar]

Grineer also eat each other

The Queen made a whole new slurry because of a question

[thick yacht]

The orokin needed a major cultural shift, and likely needed to be moved down on their pedestals a few levels, but they weren’t all deserving of death

The executors needed to go, just like the queens need to go, and the corpus board of directors

If we could I’d kill Nef Anyo, Frohd Bek, Parvos, the whole lot of them

The entire board can get the naga drums treatment

[stray flare]

Brotha, VARZIA, a Dax soldier from the age of empire thanks us for ending it in her dialog. And mind you, Dax soldiers were the closest thing to orokin that was not orokin. If one of them says that it is good they are dead, I believe her

"The Orokin were inhumane scum. The absolute dregs." Direct quote from her

So again, we have witness which directly benefited from empire being glad it is gone

[thick yacht]

I think I’m going to trust Roathe more since he was actually high ranking and not a random foot soldier, as cool as Varzia is, I think Roathe would actually have an understanding of how things were

Even he says the executors are beyond redemption, but not the Orokin as a whole

[stray flare]

THAT IS EXACT REASON I DO NOT TRUST HIM

[thick yacht]

Being an Orokin doesn’t inherently make you evil

Evil is action

😶‍🌫️

[stray flare]

Roathe was part of the problem for crying out loud! He is called Devil of Tau for reason, and even before he became proto warframe, he actively had his soldiers turned into them!

[thick yacht]

And he lived to regret those actions and who he was. That alone shows the Orokin ARE capable of such emotions

[pale cedar]

His soldiers chose that tbh

[thick yacht]

The Seven, were not.

They were too far gone

[stray flare]

Again, I trust bear in the middle of the woods more than Roathe

He is way too close to the problem for me to not be questioning his sincerity

[thick yacht]

If you put me in a room with a gun and two bullets and Albrecht, Roathe, and Parvos are standing there

Parvos is being shot twice

That’s just my opinion on the matter

[stray flare]

I don't trust Roathe, all of my scum radars go off with him, and at least IRL, I tend to have a sense for such people

[thick yacht]

The Orokin for all their faults had the good sense to at least try and innovate and invent, even if it was through the Archimedians, the Corpus have invented nothing and done nothing of value

The things we have on our orbiter alone is probably worth more than every single corpus fleet combined

They sent legions to try and scavenge a ruined mod segment

[pale cedar]

Our Backroom is worth even more than that

Has actual Orokin tech

[stray flare]

I cannot dismiss their tech, true.

I question however their morality

[thick yacht]

Frohd Bek would be frothing at the mouth if he saw the backroom

[pale cedar]

There's no perfect Orokin that's the lie
But some a definitely capable of change

We can't say Roathe is incapable yet

[thick yacht]

In my eyes the Orokin have already been sundered and ripped apart, I am wary of them but I am not against a redemption arc for at least some. There’s no redemption arc for the Queens and Grineer

Some Grineer? Yes

Some corpus? Yes.

Their leadership? No. Their leadership needs to be wiped away

[pale cedar]

It's the 7 people say can't change

[thick yacht]

The Seven never showed any signs of even being willing to change. Ballas saw his Empire and civilization fall apart before his own eyes and emerged the exact same person

Roathe saw the same and began to feel regret and shame

[pale cedar]

The Executors care too much about themselves to change

[stray flare]

...

You know they were cooking when three people discuss central conflict of part of the update based on moral merit.

Again. I do not trust him one bit, as he seems slimy/shady to me. I shall see if his regret is sincere, but for now I doubt it

[thick yacht]

Considering the fact that he wasn’t introduced as an immediate antagonist and instead as a vendor/person you can message on KIM and even own the skin of, something is telling me DE meant to make him be sincere

Or else he’d have gotten the same vitriol as the likes of Karishh, Nitokh, and Ballas

[stray flare]

He is however, our prisoner, and that is a major difrence

[strange turtle]

There would’ve been a lot of lesser Orokin at the parade too, it was a big deal

Yes

The Tenno appeared at the Terminus, gleaming and victorious. Our cold and gold Emperors, breathless, bathed you in saviour's silk. Then came the sound. Across all our worlds, all at once, the ceremonial Naga drums. A royal salute to the honoured Tenno. Ten solemn beats to declare the suffering was over. I watched from a distance, with the rest of the Low Guardians. With each beat terror began to crush my throat. The Tenno were not stoic and silent. They were waiting. They were poised. I tried to call out, but only a strangled whisper escaped.

When the ninth beat rang, a torrent of blood filled the stadium, loosed by Tenno blades. The drums, the Empire, fell silent forever.

Theres also the issue of keeping future content in mind. Its easy to get a french speaker to help with the script, hell I’m pretty sure the va of at least Marie is french so DE could just get her, but to use an archaic form they’d have to find someone who knows it well enough for actual use as well as english, get a deal with them in the first place and then be reliant on their timetable for any future content if they want to keep it consistent

[charred crag]

https://tenor.com/view/albrecht-entrati-the-man-in-the-wall-warframe-1999-warframe-you-are-late-warframe-jojo-gif-4432154459658682236

[eternal sand]

Something I wondered
How is Adis a kid? How are they youthful and "young" when they are a mechanically crafted life form? Do the sentients not upload knowledge to one another once creating another individualistic machine?

[pine orchid]

Adis seems to be unique, and they seem like a prototype or a new type of Sentient

idk about the uploading knowledge thing though, maybe they needed Adis to be able to learn new knowledge naturally too and that's why they went with the teaching route

[fast tulip]

I just finished the quest. Ummm, my understanding is that the old peace is after the old war? The sentient lives there and found the flower that they consume to be independent?

However, Balass do not like that and so he manipulate Galastrea to destroy the peace. But second layer of manipulation is letting Tenno to self destruct the flower. Hence bringing Sentient and Orokin to war again. Tenno tried to kill Ballas through Uriel?

Margullis did not want this to happen so she put tenno to sleep and that fast forward to now, the Second Dream etc etc ?

[pine orchid]

basically, the old peace is a ceasefire in the middle of old war and through Ballas' manipulation the war continues
Margullis doesn't want us to become a criminal (since we were manipulated/deceived/framed) so she put us to sleep and hid us in Lua

[pale cedar]

Old Peace is during not after there's not even complete peace yet

Yes, sort of Ballas manipulated us into destroying the peace

[brittle siren]

lmao

this post btw https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1pkgg6x/the_old_peace_and_why_the_story_content_is_a_bad/

[fast tulip]

Gotcha.

[fast tulip]

Oh yeah. I thought I am the only that feel that way. Especially point 1, 3 and 9

[pine orchid]

wdym the zariman storyline is ignored? it's the reason we're Tenno and old peace is following that event

[brittle siren]

1. I mean the dark refractory is pretty self explanatory, it lets us relive memories.

2. It's not, the old peace is a temporary peace time during the old war, it began sometime before the old peace quest takes place and we see the ending of that peace time.

3. I feel that's an overall issue with the quest but more with it's pacing. imo it understays its welcome at times, and would benefit with taking its time a little more at some points.

[pine orchid]

tbf, for point 1 we don't get an explanation for why loid has this, why are we going in it to begin with

[brittle siren]

i mean the game does not explain how Albrecht made time machine

[pine orchid]

we can infer what it does, but doesnt quite answer the whys

[fast tulip]

I thought it was like continuation of 1999

[strange turtle]

Its alongside 1999

Drifter has The Hex, Operator has Old Peace

[pine orchid]

yes, but we're not exactly jumping into the time machine ourselves
and aside from that, I think saying the story needs a bit more explanation for what's going on and why as criticism is valid

[stray gale]

the fact that we just start in the dark refractory was a little jarring tbh

[pine orchid]

the old peace is parallel story to 1999
while drifter is back in 1999, operator is doing some animus stuff

[brittle siren]

again it not really needed, imo I think that room is just a pool for OP and Lotus can focus, and safer than other room

[stray gale]

1. what is this thing 2. whose idea was it 3. why was it a good idea or even necessary

[fast tulip]

I think in my understanding, Old Peace seems like another parallel eternalism happening. In Zariman, the void jump failed and Tenno did not arrive in Tau, the MOTW offered and hence drifter existed.

In this quest, seems like Tenno arrived and thrive at Tau.

[brittle siren]

I mean Drifter go to the past through Helminth and OP stayed with Lotus so she can pry our OP memories

it not rocket science

[pine orchid]

no, we arrive in Tau through Solar Rail
think of it like our plane to Tau crashed, but we survived, came back, qnd took the train there instead

[stray gale]

4. what is so urgent about doing this that we're in it even though loid's constantly freaking out

[brittle siren]

oh my god you still think like this??

[brittle siren]

because Wally constantly hunting for the OP

[stray gale]

because what

this didnt tell us anything about wally

[brittle siren]

the freaking deal

do you even play the New War and Whisper in the Wall

[pine orchid]

that's fair, it is understandable enough on it's own
but myself and several others do want to know more, and want to understand more even if they just put the story bits in like optional readable pieces

[stray gale]

does de have you on their payroll or what 🥀

like this v much has the telltale signs of an update that had its gameplay ideas designed first, and then the story was written to justify it post hoc

[brittle siren]

does Bungie paid you to be like this?

[stray gale]

but its so unbelievably hurried that most of what i actually know atp is just other people explaining what may as well be headcanons

[brittle siren]

(it's Destiny 2 dev)

[stray gale]

lmfao what a comment

[brittle siren]

also reading your questions, you skipping a tons of detail

[stray gale]

just like the old peace did 🥁

[brittle siren]

but let me enlighten you then

[pine orchid]

y'all we can enjoy the content and still give criticism/feedback on it 😭
myself and several others do feel like the story beats are a bit rushed in pacing and doesn't actually explore a lot of what we were hoping to learn/see in the orokin era, even if we enjoyed playing through the quest

[stray gale]

this is absolutely the case with devils triad especially tbh

[brittle siren]

1.what is this thing: a pool with a map to Tau

2. whose idea was it: Lotus said: it's the only way to find Al-

3. why was it a good idea or even necessary: idkl, Lotus want to find Albrecht so he could show us the next thing to do (since Albrecht said "Tau is in sight", means that he is going there)

4. Urgent because Wally is wanting to take OP away. And he gonna cause chaos across the whole Origin system

[stray gale]

im really not a fan of the kim stuff this time around because its really beggaring belief atp that a 19th century nun is keen to text wall us on aol instant messenger to explain whats even going on

[humble sierra]

They're stepping out of the sanctum to use the one there

[pine orchid]

devils triad I can kinda give a pass to, I'm assuming they're intending most of the triad story to come out through KIM like 1999 (but I know not everyone was a fan of this in 1999 already, even if I'm enjoying it)

[brittle siren]

this is why dev does not want to try new thing

[stray gale]

i liked the kim in 1999 because it was mostly characters talking in their idiosyncratic ways about their own personalities and historeis and felt kinda intimate and personal

and also specifically it was much more optional

in devils triad you NEED to read them and listen to roathes yap sessions or else you wont have a clue

[brittle siren]

oh wow, because this one isnt optional, so it's badddddddddđ

[humble sierra]

It's arguably even more optional here, non?

[brittle siren]

boo hoo cry louder

[humble sierra]

You had to engage with KIM1999 to finish the Hex Finale

[stray gale]

ig its even more optional because these 3 dont really have any story importance ig

[brittle siren]

it like Nihil lore imo, you can go and listen to it anytime you wanted

[humble sierra]

Well it's hard to say since they just dropped, who knows where their chats might lead

[brittle siren]

you really swing from right to left that fast jesus, pick 1 opinion pls

[stray gale]

possibly but im just not a fan of it compared to 1999

like why is one of these super arrogant orokin mfs talking to us on aol at all

why is he carving time out of his day to do that

in 1999 it made sense because getting to know the hex was the driving motivation

[brittle siren]

uh because he bored?

[lean garden]

while that is true to some extent, some of the pointers on the list uh... shouldnt qualify for needing "more explanation"

[humble sierra]

He specifically has a goal too

[stray gale]

roathe's motivation is "well I got nothing else to do"

[pine orchid]

honestly I felt like the old peace quest was intended to be paced like 1999 where you have to do perita rebellion in between the story beats, but that's just my guessing because then the perita rebellion sections would give us time to connect with adis and valdur a bit more

[pine orchid]

oh I agree, but I'm also of the opinion not all of it is unwarranted

[brittle siren]

I mean he going to become a warframe soon and 2 other ppl keep nagging him

and Albrecht remove his memory, for some reason

[willow pond]

The Tension between the three is actually so goddamn palpable it's HILARIOUS when they banter. Professionally.

[brittle siren]

If I put you in that position, would you do the same?

[lean garden]

That I agree, especially on the dark refractory, but quite a number of the points seem heavily rooted in a misunderstanding of what just happened

[stray gale]

yeah they're not uncharismatic or anything but overall they feel extraneous

like they came about because reb wanted emet selch's VA to voice a cool demon man and someone had the idea of descendia which as a mode is p fun

and then its like, okay a portal opened up in the sanctum, loid doesnt comment on it

[brittle siren]

tbh I love how honest Roathe is, he by far my most fave proto

[brittle siren]

and here the part you clearly skip EVERYTHING

[willow pond]

Albrecht doesn't normally mess with memories and I don't think he did the same for the gang in 1999. So it is interesting that he instead went and screwed up the memory of one of his own kin, no less.

[pine orchid]

yeah, like 90% of it is just "brother did you even play the story what"
but I feel criticizing the pacing and lack of setup is valid

[stray gale]

heres the red hell portal that goes to a cathedral in the past, it was just lying around

me skipping everything implies there was something to skip 🥀

[brittle siren]

may Wally hail on this guy and do the King In Yellow magic on him

[stray gale]

loid has a kim message but he doesnt have any voice lines

[lean garden]

Point 2,3,4,5,6,7,10,11 seems like something based on misunderstanding
Point 9 isnt actually a point, its a statement based on the overarching theme this list is going for
Point 12 is wildly off the mark and Point 14 is moot

Points 1, 8 and 13 are the most "valid" of them

[brittle siren]

did you, even once, go into the Kim after Old Peace quest

[stray gale]

why do you think ive been talking about the kim messages bro

are you the one skipping 🤨

[willow pond]

I feel like this part specifically is honestly jank because you're not directed to the POM2-PC after the events of the Old Peace. So it DOES feel like the Portal is out of place.

[brittle siren]

because when you said "Loid comment nothing" is you being blind af

[stray gale]

yeah and why do you think ive been commenting on the kim messages

maybe instead of taking it mad personally that i dont think this update paced its story well you could read my messages ig 🥀

[pine orchid]

I think it might be a bug... because I noticed none of the triad kim messages give you that big yellow ! on the kim

[stray gale]

yeah iirc they dont unless youve already switched to the triad messages

[brittle siren]

Loid literally use Pom 2 in the lab to noticed the Drifter how the portal appear my holy god

"no comment" my Indifference buns

[lean garden]

Honestly Loid should have sent an email to you after the quest to check your KIM

[pine orchid]

even with the triad tab they dont actually! just in the chat bubble menu, which I think is a bug too

[brittle siren]

yeah but him using Pom 2 is funny

[stray gale]

but specifically its weird that loid doesnt send an email and its especially weird that loid doesnt have any voice lines either

[pine orchid]

https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1448547917827801192

[stray gale]

he still has his lotus voice lines even when shes not there anymore

[brittle siren]

that is true that he has new voiceline

[brittle siren]

skip again I see

[willow pond]

Probably what I'm curious about in all this is: what is so crucial within Roathe's memories that Albrecht specifically went out of his way to make sure he doesn't remember? What chess game is he playing this time?

[stray gale]

CEO in being a hater

[lean garden]

Thing is, Albrecht didnt target anything specific, at least thats the sense Im getting

[stray gale]

theres this one kim thing from roathe i found kinda funny where he's like "ballas is actually one of the nicer ones, now this other guy nitokh hes a REAL piece of work"

[lean garden]

it seems like for dear roathe, the shanky shanky did that to him

[stray gale]

and im like okay, who?

[pine orchid]

I am curious too, I haven't power grinded through descendia so I haven't seen all the memory voice lines so idk if that's something that gets revealed as we talk with roathe and retrieve his memories

[lean garden]

I mean, thats literally the conversation where Roathe tells you who

[strange turtle]

Mentioned in the actual quest multiple times

• the promo stuff

[stray gale]

i know who, but like who

[willow pond]

But the problem is the fact that every single Protoframe we met did not have these issues (that we're aware of, at the very least). Roathe SPECIFICALLY got targeted so there must be something within his memeories that either Albrecht wanted the Drifter to figure out OR hide.

[pine orchid]

I think Nitokh was name dropped in Old Peace to be the one backing the Anarchs but that's about it?

[brittle siren]

oh my Wally are you being real, you didn't even listen to the damn Old Peace dialouge, and yet you still complain

they literally said that she is an Executor, and she with Roathe

[strange turtle]

Definitely not hide, he leaves us with the thing we need to get those memories after all

[stray gale]

he doesnt put his cups in the dishwasher when hes done with them

just leaves them out, hes got like a dozen cups on his desk

[willow pond]

Oh this sonuva-

[stray gale]

this makes him the most despicable of the orokin

[willow pond]

WHERE IS HE

I JUST WANNA TALK WITH HIM

[pine orchid]

generally, I wish we could've learnt more about the Orokin era, what're the Orokin like with each other. we only get to see 1 whole Orokin in Old Peace and it's ballass again and it's like... but I wanna see other Orokin too 😭
doesn't even have to be one of the Seven, and ig it's explained in the story as Tauron being the land of Sentients so they don't want Orokin presence there as part of the peace treaty

[strange turtle]

Unfortunately the portal to the cathedral has mysteriously closed

[brittle siren]

Roathe... Nihil... whole Entrati family

[stray gale]

yeah i am a bit disappointed in seeing ballas again because it does make it seem like the orokin werent really that bad and it was just this specific guy

average orokin is perfectly nice and peaceful. problems ballas is an outlier adn should not be counted

[lean garden]

Its more like a flare sitch where the serum does something unique and rips him a new one in the nogging

[willow pond]

My basic understanding of the Orokins is that they were essentially human. False gods and pretenders that let the power of Continuity get in WAY over in their heads.

[brittle siren]

are this guy spewing nonsense again

[pine orchid]

yes I'm aware, I said I wanted to see others in the Old Peace era too

[strange turtle]

We have lots of evidence throughout the entire game, that no, they were all awful people

[stray gale]

yeah, but narratively we're only really exposed to ballas and every other orokin is only mildly a jerk in comparison

like euleria and co

[lean garden]

well, you wont get that in the quest but...

[strange turtle]

He’s also an Executor and an actually established character, so of course he’s gonna show up more

[pale cedar]

We have a whole thing about Gara getting glass powers to spite Nihil after he said glass her

[brittle siren]

and most event has his hand in it

[stray gale]

or tldr with the usual writing principle, ballas is the only one we get shown to be a jerk whereas every other orokin for the most part is just told

[lean garden]

I mean there was also nihil, who was a real grade A jerk too

[strange turtle]

Who are specifically noted as outliers and, in the current family’s state, outright changed people

[lean garden]

and nihil dont forget Nihil

[willow pond]

Still will be the d1 Ballas hater. But I think everyone here agrees at this point.

[stray gale]

i suppose yeah nihil though i wasnt playing back then

[pine orchid]

yes, what I want to to see more of their society and how the Orokin interact with each other
we get a piece of dialogue about how the Orokin houses don't always align with each other, but I wanted to see more of it! we were told Nitokh and Ballas essentially sabotaged to destroy the peace, but what do the other Orokin think? Are there Orokin sympathizers to the Sentient that they had to do it this way to begin with? if so, who?

[pale cedar]

Roathe confirms in Orokin era Ballas wasn't even the worst Orokin

[willow pond]

We might get more memories resurfaced when we maybe get to Tau.

[brittle siren]

specifically among the Seven

[stray gale]

if nitokh at least doesnt make some sort of appearance or impact in some way i might cry tbh

[willow pond]

I mean. Hell. We might get Roathe involved with the Tenno's shenanigans.

[stray gale]

"oh no, he was the worst, he killed a lot of people" i kill a lot of people, paint me a picture

[brittle siren]

she did create the whole faction against Orokin during Old Peace lmao

[pine orchid]

maybe, that would be nice
I expected the past Tau and the Orokin society to be explored in this update, whereas the Tau update would be more focused on recovering and exploring current day Tau and finding ways to fight Wally

[pale cedar]

The Emperors also weren't that impactful and were more like figureheads

[strange turtle]

Son even straight up says that they had it coming

[brittle siren]

I'm glad DE clear this up

before we think the Seven is also emperors too, though now we know that they are seperate, but Emperors have no real power

[stray gale]

ngl one thing that sticks out to me is how the holdfasts talk about how arbitrary and ruthless the orokin were but then roathe is like, oh its really just the seven

like how many orokin even were there

[brittle siren]

did you read Dagath story

[pale cedar]

DE said before we had Old Peace the 7 led the Empire in the Reddit Ama

[brittle siren]

the Seven is the worst kind of human being, and other Orokin are also really bad but none compare to the Seven

[brittle siren]

yeah the Emperors basically just for show

[pine orchid]

through several spins of my train of thought I've come to the conclusion that Tau is the Orokin's new minecraft server /j 😂

[pale cedar]

It's the server they had to abandon plans of finally calling home

[pine orchid]

basically

[lean garden]

I mean it makes some sense, the Orokin would know exactly where the poison is in the roots, but the non-Orokin are subject to all Orokin whims

Roathe can enjoy the finest and soul-fulfiling Orokin art, Quinn will never be able do

[stray gale]

yeah but it would be nice to actually see that yk

im in agreement with cartilyn in that it would be nice to hang out with orokin more directly

what if the seven turn up as a syndicate using memory magic or sth.........

[willow pond]

I mean we can maybe assume in the billions? Similar to us at the very least. They were still humans after all.

[strange turtle]

Definitely not

[stray gale]

thats the thing right, were they 10% of the population? 1%? 0.1%? those are all reasonable but also would have way different implications

all we got for certain is that the seven are like the tech billionaire single digit number crowd

who are especially powerful and influential

[pine orchid]

"hang out" may be putting it lightly tbf 😂
I thought maybe we might see some Orokin dignitaries representing different houses, like the way nobles of one kingdom might be involved in peace negotiations with another kingdom

[stray gale]

orokin kim dating where they pull something like cassia from wh40k rogue trader and request if they could cut everyones tongues out at the relay because its too noisy for them

[hollow trench]

Orokin? I don't even know her!

[ashen pulsar]

descendia is roathe's memories, correct? why does he remember narmer and archon nira?

[pale cedar]

He read about Narmer on the PC

[pine orchid]

I thiiiink there was also some a line from Roathe in Descendia about it also being in a way a mix of his memories and our mind's interpretation of it(?)

[lean garden]

woof, its going to be hell (pun intended) to manually dig that one out

I just finished reading all the kims

[pine orchid]

but I can't confirm what the line says atm I'm usually too busy trying to do descendia and not fully listening/reading the lines hard for me to hear without subtitles 😔

[lean garden]

I think the devil's triad might be the best written set of protos so far

[sick nebula]

Even 0.1% sounds pretty large, given that there were several known social classes beneath them, but still above ordinary people.

[lean garden]

Im totally not biased because Roathe basically confirmed what Ive been saying about wally all along

[pine orchid]

I do have a vod with some descendia play but idk if I got that particular line captured I might scrub through it and look

[sick nebula]

The "not a god" thing?

[lean garden]

its a two parter

[pine orchid]

Conceptual Embodiment thingy?

[lean garden]

the second part is much later

[pine orchid]

that Wally was manifested by Albrecht going in the void in the first place

[lean garden]

that part is old newseroni, people already were onto Wally being a CE

[pine orchid]

idr if that was you but I definitely remember reading smth like that here

[lean garden]

Im talking about what roathe posits to be albrechts plan to fight wally

[pine orchid]

hm I dont think I got the convo about albrecht's plan yet

I got the one about not a god and one about the entrati family

[lean garden]

should have been under not a god I think?

[pine orchid]

hmm lemme see

this is all I got from it, is it a different dialogue option than what I chose? 😅

[lean garden]

ah no

its from 2.4

The wally thing is a 3 parter

[pine orchid]

oh huh, I only have this one so far so maybe I just havent got the convo yet

[lean garden]

you wouldnt, everyone should still be on the 1.s

[dire mountain]

Hi hello I screenshot this yesterday specifically for this situation

[dire mountain]

I had 2.1 but I might have forgor to do play all

[lean garden]

means its the first of the 2s already huh

[pine orchid]

oh yeah that one! ty!

[ashen pulsar]

from the code then?

[lean garden]

the huh?

[ashen pulsar]

how do people alr know roathe’s convos

[fast dew]

Kimulacrum is back up

[ashen pulsar]

did kimulacrum get it from the code or what

[tall echo]

Yes

[fast dew]

Mhm.

Thats how the kimulacrum works

[strange plinth]

apparently the change to KIM was just formatting stuff
so what they were doing just needed to be updated

[ashen pulsar]

k that’s what I thought

[tall echo]

Kimulacrum slurps the spaghetti code of KIM

[fast dew]

Mm sketty

[dire mountain]

It was really funny it said it was discontinued then the very next day it was back

[ashen pulsar]

recontinued?

[digital ore]

ok question...

sentients go to tau
||that flower makes them...self aware
without it, they go feral again (follow orders as intended by orokin originally)
orokin destroyed the flower

how is Natah and Erra self aware...ignoring Hunhow for now.
how are they still aware all this time later||

[strange plinth]

||long gap of time, could've developed it themselves||
||Natah was also reprogrammed multiple times (and still had a connection to Hunhow as of TSD), Erra only really broke away right before he died||

[tall echo]

how do I do the spoiler bars...

[strange plinth]

||spoiler text||

[digital ore]

|| before and after

[tall echo]

on pc I mean

I don't know my keyboard

[digital ore]

or

[strange plinth]

ah

you should be able to highlight it and spoil it via that?

[tall echo]

aah yes

[tall echo]

||natah and erra are children instead of fragments, only fragments lost their individuality||

[tall echo]

SHAW!

[digital ore]

😄

[strange plinth]

ah that also makes sense

[digital ore]

||so only fragments needed the flower?
also, what differentiates the 2
cause Natah WAS a mimic.||

[pale cedar]

Why we putting spoiler bars in a channel for spoilers?

[tall echo]

idk

courtesy bc very new stuff?

[digital ore]

cause its new lore and some people still doing it

[strange plinth]

new content, spoiler courtesy, idk

[digital ore]

we do it for about a week or 3

[tall echo]

1. yes
2. the... process

also natah was THE mimic. all the ones we fight are fragments of her

[digital ore]

ahhh

[strange plinth]

fragments are, as the name implies, pieces of a larger sentient that are broken off
we have no idea what the process for making a full individual sentient is like

[tall echo]

not the fnaf THE mimic

[digital ore]

w8..does that mean theres no way to make new mimics since she crossed the void and became sterile?

[tall echo]

there is

[strange plinth]

fragments can still be made after that, just not the other method

[tall echo]

children are impossible, fragments are not

[digital ore]

ahhh

ok that makes sense

[pale cedar]

Chat I'm fighting space mom|| though only the fragments ||

[tall echo]

we could also shove some temple kuva at her, see what that does

[pale cedar]

Actually, why would Lotus let her fragments fight us that makes no sense

[tall echo]

fragments got commandeered

[strange plinth]

lotus got disowned so they went to hunhow? idk

[digital ore]

ok...and now a different question

doing the new missions

||when deploying the captured warframe, the anarch leader says....some things...
like mocking us about...how they got the warframe, and waht happened to its operator
were Tenno killed? as she's implying.
how many kids were on the zariman...||

[tall echo]

and I'm relatively sure there's no mimics outside of the sacrifice quest actually

[digital ore]

there are. u know the decent mission we got now

[tall echo]

yes, and a couple thousand

[digital ore]

theres ALOT of mimics there

[tall echo]

that's not reality

[digital ore]

beware opening those lockers...they pop out like mad

[tall echo]

yeah, loot radar marks the mimic lockers

[strange plinth]

there might be some in the veil proxima missions? dunno
the mimics are kinda difficult to use anywhere that isn't scripted imo

[pale cedar]

You telling me Hunhow can steal his daughters things now?

[strange plinth]

without being annoying, i mean

[digital ore]

ok and now a fun question

are we...Tenno....TECHNICALLY of drinking age....?
both in the old war...and current day xD

i mean, sure no one is gonna stop us if we want to...
but still

[tall echo]

they're difficult in scripted places too lol

[tall echo]

mentally yes physically no

[digital ore]

hehehe

forever blocked by the barkeeper from drinking cause we aint aging. the irony

and we older htan his grandmother

[tall echo]

tenno do age

[digital ore]

not very fast

[tall echo]

at a normal rate

[digital ore]

o.0

[tall echo]

the pods were cryosleep

[digital ore]

aye but in the years between waking up in the 2nd dream

and now, we'd be at least +10 years

[tall echo]

not very long time

[digital ore]

oh? we need a timeline

[tall echo]

it's like, 3-5 years at most

I was gonna play wf now I'm just sitting here on discord

[digital ore]

hehe

i want to play warframe...
but i stuck in eve.....so discord all that keeping me sane

[strange plinth]

90% of the time i open discord just to watch and i end up in a conversation, ignoring whatever else i was going to do

[tall echo]

yea

I end up in multiple conversations

[digital ore]

sounds like we need to upgrade your CPU to multi thread~

[tall echo]

I'm monitoring all the servers I'm in like the monkey from toy story

[edgy quest]

Hi! :)
I'm a bit confused.

is "The Old Peace" a real timeline past, or alternate universe past?

[strange plinth]

real

[fast dew]

Just our memory

[strange plinth]

can point to caliban prime's existence as proof

[edgy quest]

Mhm! Thanks for the response.
But then, the war/memory happened in the different solar system?

[fast dew]

Mhm. The system of Tau, not the irl one tho

[strange plinth]

in tau, yes
though the war also crossed into the origin system

[edgy quest]

Ok I thought it's some alternate timeline lore. Like duviri paradox.
This time the timeline that 10-0 succesfully completed the void jump, instead of original timeline (failing, and being half stuck in the void)

[strange plinth]

yea, zariman incident still happened, the old peace is just a moment in the middle of the old war when the sentients didn't want to fight

[edgy quest]

Allright, makes sense thanks! :3

[iron tiger]

Did sentients rejoin the hivemind at the start of the second war

Does that mean every sentient we see

Isn’t truly sentient

[strange plinth]

the fragments would've eventually fallen back into the hivemind

[iron tiger]

So maybe bigger sentients remained sentient

That would explain why we see sentients with a combo of blue and red

While the sentients we see during the old peace keep switching between the two in a dichotomy

[sick nebula]

Probably related to that hivemind thing

[sudden shard]

how come we are at tau at all in the old peace i thought that we never got to there in the first place?

[strange plinth]

we didn't. the zariman 10-0 failed, but the sentients still built the rail to tau
then we're over there during the little peacetime in the middle of the old war

[sick nebula]

We took the Rail instead of the 10-0

[silk atlas]

idk why this is something people get tripped on. Zariman 10-0 failed, person is on Tau (and with their Operator powers so we know it failed), therefore it must be something else that got them there.

[sick nebula]

Yonta has been talking for years about doing the jump successfully

Maybe next December she will get to try

[silk atlas]

That'd mean Void storms galore if you're suggesting we remove the Zariman

[sly pagoda]

unless we can find something else to plug the hole in its place

but yeah atm with current knowledge and lore, pulling that cork would be bad.

[pale cedar]

Even if there was something, that still requires moving it to replace it thus the same problem

[strange turtle]

We’ve also known about the Solar Rail having been built successfully for years now

[tawdry dew]

So who feels like explaining the nasty mouth appearing in my ship??

and how I kill it

[strange plinth]

the helminth? its.. kinda important, can't get rid of it

[strange turtle]

He’s your friend 🙂

[tawdry dew]

It nasty 😭

[tawdry dew]

HOW

[strange plinth]

it'll only eat your pets for a moment /s

[strange turtle]

It’s the life support, warframe maintenance, and later on lets you do some other cool things

[tawdry dew]

It shouldn’t be saying anything

Eating *

[tawdry dew]

Klm ig 😭

It still nasty I look behind the chair and see a mouth

[strange turtle]

It also plays with your pets and Roombas

[tawdry dew]

It ate my lil robot…

[strange turtle]

He’ll be fine

[tawdry dew]

Still don’t like jt

[iron tiger]

There is atleast 2 Zarimans we know of the one in our reality and the one in duviri

[strange plinth]

they're in the same spot

[iron tiger]

Where’d you get that from?

It doesn’t look like it when you see the albrecht membrane

[strange plinth]

other than them both being stuck in a very similar looking rift, i'll find the bounty dialogue

[pale cedar]

There's 10 actually

[hollow trench]

That's wild

[iron tiger]

One is stuck in the duviri landscape facing the void the other has no duviri bits and is facing our reality

[iron tiger]

Wait the 10-0 means something ?!?

[pale cedar]

1-9 were unmanned

[hollow trench]

Imagine the calamity of removing the zariman

Hey there's a big hole In space I wonder why

Man my skin peeeled itself off how crazy

[strange plinth]

those aren't stuck in the albrecht membrane, though

[iron tiger]

What happened to them

[pale cedar]

Oh the membrane ones are all stacked on top of each other

[silk atlas]

Didn't work, evidently

[iron tiger]

Those are different reality versions though, not different models

[iron tiger]

Not even the 10-0 worked properly but I mean more like where’d they go

[strange plinth]

at least one series of them made it to tau
||the world-seeders, we enter the Zariman Five-Nine during the old peace||

[iron tiger]

Did Wally also get to them?

[silk atlas]

We dunno

[iron tiger]

😔

[silk atlas]

Just assume they're destroyed or something

[iron tiger]

Fascinating I did notice the similar architecture during that quest too

Are the world seeds terraformers or war machines? Or both?

[silk atlas]

The fact it's a 5-9 makes me thing they actually bothered counting up from different missions when they actually made it to Tau. The basic 1-0 to however many other X-0's were out there were just the failures and then they recounted with 1-1/0-1 when they finally landed.

[silk atlas]

Terraformer

[hollow trench]

You think the grineer see the tenno as basically ghosts

Like imagine running into one and you just know that you are dead on the spot

Especially in the aftermath of the orokin empires downfall

[iron tiger]

But they kill the xenoflowers to start the war making them used as a weapon of war

[silk atlas]

Yeah, because it was hijacked and "killing all plant life randomly" doesn't sound out-of-character for a terraformer.

[iron tiger]

The Tenno are actually thought to be legendary some don’t even believe the exist anymore

[silk atlas]

I think any basic sci-fi terraformer worth its weight in salt would have some pesticide on it.

[strange plinth]

not what i was thinking of but i did find
Archimedean Yonta: "This place is like an embassy. Playing host to misfit realities that were never chosen."
Archimedean Yonta: "So many intersections. Planes and possiblities. Hazard and luck and intent."

[hollow trench]

There's this clip that had me dying

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSLVv1iE6_U/?igsh=dXhyNW1xZWdhcW0=

pibv_1

Lol. Lmao even. #warframe #warframecommunity #warframememes

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[strange plinth]

the xenoflora dies in breathable air, the world-seeders flood the area with breathable air

[silk atlas]

Oh my God right that's why the Atmo-thing turns off

[strange plinth]

yup

[iron tiger]

The only natural life in warframe goes extinct 😔

[pale cedar]

Aliens were added to Warframe and killed not long after

[iron tiger]

Honestly it makes the game much more original

[silk atlas]

Love to see it

[iron tiger]

I was so confused when I first went fishing

So if we go to tau now we can assume that it’s been fully terraformed, but what would the faction makeup look like

[silk atlas]

Angry angry Sentients

[iron tiger]

A sentient hivemind I’d imagine but these would be different from HunHow and narmer?

[sly pagoda]

Truth is we have no clue. Maybe the flowers came back meaning the sentients can once again be talked to.

[strange plinth]

the tau 2026 image has adis's mask and a bunch of dead xenoflora
i.. don't think so

[sly pagoda]

Or we bring them back somehow

[iron tiger]

I feel like this is a perfect way for narmer or hunhow to make an appearance

[stiff fable]

Hunhow's dying underwater, but Narmer yes

[pale cedar]

Hunhow never said he was dying

[woven coyote]

huh just noticed that the haunted looking albrecht portrait thomas was talking about the other day is partially above la cathedrale's portal

[strange plinth]

just that he was waiting to

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[woven coyote]

he does mention it being his grave a couple of times

[pale cedar]

Well it is

[woven coyote]

or a grave at least

[pale cedar]

He's gonna die in the ocean eventually

As would anybody

[woven coyote]

anyone get any interaction out of the lotus in the dark refractory room yet ?

[strange turtle]

They’re all mixed together in the Void

It’s said in KIM

A bunch of different Zarimans all jumbled together as one single one at once, including the Operator and Drifter’s ones

[pale cedar]

Still a statue

[strange plinth]

ah, it was KIM
am i insane or is there also zariman bounty dialogue that's a lot clearer than the yonta quotes i grabbed [up here](#lore-discussion message)?

[strange turtle]

"While we sit here straddling the Rift, all possibilities are real."

• Quinn

[stiff fable]

The POM-II also says that it's hosting multiple possibilities

[strange turtle]

Maybe also this?

Sharded causalities piled up in the Heilbronn margin, singularity refusing to play with any of them… oh, the Universe is a messy place."

[tribal gulch]

That amar archon is the same adis Dog?

Holy shit

[strange plinth]

yea that's Amar

[tribal gulch]

Fused with an archon shard and rhino prime

God damn did erra do that?

[tough musk]

So Natah isnt part of hivemind because Ballas uploaded a copy of Margulis' brain? Cause she's not eating Xenofloras

[strange plinth]

Natah isn't a fragment

[tough musk]

Fragment?

[fast dew]

Certain sentients aren't apart of jt

[strange plinth]

iirc yes, hunhow calls the archons erra's creations

[fast dew]

Hunhow and his partner wasn't. Nor was erra or Natah.

[fast dew]

All the sentients we fight are fragments from a larger whole

[tough musk]

Oh super interesting

[tribal gulch]

Hmm

[fast dew]

Like how murmur are fragments of wally.

[tough musk]

So Adis is a fragment too?

[fast dew]

I don't think Adis is apart of it, personally

[strange plinth]

two forms of sentient "reproduction"
the one that creates a whole new sentient, the one that created Natah
and fragmentation, which is just pieces of a larger sentient that have broken off and become drones
fragmentation still works after the void-scarring, but the other method does not

[strange plinth]

Adis seems to be a younger/fragment dactolyst?
but he could be fully unique as well

[fast dew]

Im reluctant to say he's apart of the hivemind due to his ability to still function when the flowers die, i don't know if that effect was immediate however

[tough musk]

It did seem like Adis was unique "truth bloom". Maybe his healing abilities had something to do with the xenoflora his predecessors consumed?

[fast dew]

Adis did not choose the name "truth bloom" either

[strange plinth]

i think it took a bit for the xenoflora to "wear off"
we only see him eat the flowers like twice

[fast dew]

Seems to be a orokin name ngl

[strange turtle]

Doesn’t even seem Orokin tbh

Like, we know how meaningful and fancy Orokin names get, we know 5 from the Family

[tough musk]

I know but the way Itsam says it seems to carry significance to him. Tbf anything that's not void tongue is gonna be orokin language (english)

[fast dew]

Its not sentient or voidtongue, logical assumption is orokin

[tough musk]

Oh are sentient and void tongue seperate languages? I thought they spoke void

[strange turtle]

Except it doesn’t match any of the Orokin names we know

Adis could be

[fast dew]

They are very different 😭

Sentient language is a lot like the language spoken in cetus

[pale cedar]

Why would Sentients be able to speak a language that most don't even know about including Sentients?

[strange turtle]

But a surname of straight up “Truth-bloom” when no surname we’ve ever seen has been like that and the Orokin fit entire phrases into short names would be really odd

[tough musk]

Why would metal be able to get up and walk......

Dont act like it's a stupid question, stranger things have happened lol

[strange plinth]

"Truth-bloom" could be like. sentient language attempting to adapt to orokin?

[fast dew]

No, but their names mean things. Adis could mean truth bloom, like how mother's means "goblet refilled"

[pale cedar]

Ayatan

[fast dew]

Ayatan means star, yeah?

[strange turtle]

So you think his name would be “Adis Adis”

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[tough musk]

Mario Mario

[fast dew]

Its something that does happen kekw

[strange plinth]

river avon

[pale cedar]

Actually here me out

It's heralds are the stars that fells

Wally says they used to be like us

What if Murmur are made using versions of Tenno

[fast dew]

Yeah this is something i agree with

[strange plinth]

maybe some of the bigger units
i'm not sure about all the hands though

[strange turtle]

Not to be confused with the great Italian spearman Cu Chulame

[strange turtle]

We know that some are already

When the Fragmented envoy appears

Neci Rusalka: [giggles] "My herald looked like you, once."

Neci Rusalka: "This is your future."

Neci Rusalka: "I have uses for dealbreakers."

Neci Rusalka: "How will I reassemble your pieces?"

[pale cedar]

Might just be the heralds

Rest being Wally cutting himself

[tough musk]

It's the void trying to take shape right? It was untouched untill albrecht accidentally imprinted hinself on it and it started trying to be him kinda. Maybe all the limbs are its best facsimile of what living beings are (along with all its shapeshifting and possession)

[strange turtle]

Considering that Nelly specifies it’s the herald that this, and the fact we already know a good bit about the rest of the Murmur’s creation that does seem to be the case yeah

[strange turtle]

It’s basically like extensions of Wally himself, animated with the dust of decayed universes or whatever that crazy flavour text said

He seems to be able to create his own forms just fine, considering The Vagabond in Duviri

[fast dew]

We think Albrecht accidentally embodied Wally

Fair enough, most conceptual embodiment incidents are accidental

[eager dragon]

Yeah, it makes the most sense for Wally to be a conceptual embodiment born from Albrecht.

Entrati feared that there was something there, something within the Void, and in doing so created the Indifference.

[strange plinth]

there's also all of the self doubt n such that he talks about in the requiem logs

[fast dew]

Noooo clearly Albrecht is egotistical/s

[strange plinth]

"In those eyes, her mother's, I did see a terrible reflection. Of a man that did not exist. A brave and principled man about to make history. In truth, he was a Void himself. A outcast, a joke, a nothing. Driven by my humiliation. Failure had made me bitter and reckless."
no the closest he gets to egotistical is his 'i'm going to fix this at any cost because no one else can' mentality

[fast dew]

It makes me so genuinely upset when people call Albrecht egotistical

No clue why

[strange plinth]

he may have been egotistical prior, in the standard orokin way, but as far as he has been actually characterized, he is far from it

[fast dew]

Like genuinely who else is gonna be able to deal with wally 😭

[fast dew]

He is at most, self important, BUT HE HAS EVERY REASON TO BE

[tough musk]

I mean he's an orokin who has used continuity right? He's killed other people to preserve himself right?

[fast dew]

It doesn't come from ego, it comes from guilt and atoning for his actions

[fast dew]

I mean, yeah, no clue how many times

But, on the bright side, he seems to be a orokin who buries his servants and possibly his yuvans

Thats what the necramed pods are

... i think i remember somethinf mentioning that

They had ossuaries!

And crypts!

[wraith patrol]

We eat meat, right? We kill other sentient creatures to preserve ourselves, right?

Just to make the comparison between what we accept in society and how permissible certain things are when that’s what you’ve known your whole life. Not saying that continuity is acceptable, but the Orokin have a very twisted worldview reinforced by their insidious culture. (Also no hate on the meat eating, it’s a feeble analogy at best 😅 .)

[fast dew]

The entire entrati family really liked bones for some reason

[strange plinth]

all those skulls had to come from somewhere,,

better they be
uh
"ethically sourced"
as close as that can get lol

[hollow trench]

He had respect for those who had their lives forfieted in the name of extending his life

[fast dew]

Which makes it a little better, still pretty bad but he at least respected the dead

[hollow trench]

Yeah respecting the dead at least keeps you in villain territory instead of just being a monster

[fast dew]

I sure hope so, though, ossuaries are full of bones. Like. Think paris catacombs. So... they mustve had a lotta yuvans and servants. My favourite idea is that they're just the gravekeepers for the empire

[strange plinth]

mm, possibly

[hollow trench]

How did he keep kalymos alive

Or was kalymos a recent addition

[strange plinth]

kalymos was around for the first void expedition that worked

[pale cedar]

He found a way

Loid didn't dig deep enough for us to know

[strange turtle]

Not even then

[fast dew]

Idk how old kavats get

[hollow trench]

You think some people came to Albrecht and saw his vision and said you know what take my body homie.

Cause I'm sure someone would have been in agreement

[pale cedar]

So many questions to ask a vet

[strange turtle]

I cant find it but I remember a Roathe line that was like, Albrecht and Entrati house in general as having been like, weird by Orokin standards (not literally weird but it was a specific wording and I can’t find it

[hollow trench]

And also teshin is the only person living from the orokin era that's not stuck or affected by anything right?

Like he has his own spot in a relay and is chilling

[hollow trench]

They seem to have more concern for the operator and our antics for the most part

[strange plinth]

varzia
though she was in cryo for a while iirc, dunno if that disqualifies her

[strange turtle]

So they were always a bit off compared to the rest, and considering Albrecht became depressed as he did instead of just Ballasing he does seem to not have been so self-centred even before The Failures

[hollow trench]

She's probably best off then. Rather be sleeping through all of that than be awake

[strange plinth]

also like. half of the major characters

[fast dew]

Odd. Peculiar. Strange perhaps.

[strange turtle]

A New kind of Strange, even

[hollow trench]

I feel bad for the operator the most cause dog, you might end up living to see the heat death of the universe and that's just hell in its own way

[fast dew]

Dw, duviri and the void will always be there as a safe space

[dire mountain]

The Zariman 10-0 is like, a nexus point of all realities and versions of that ship.

As for other Zarimans. We ||visit 5-9 in the old peace. Presumably being the ninth unit of the fifth model the Orokin designed.||

[hollow trench]

Still the knowledge of knowing that ya can't die, and that what is constructed by you is the safe space but your homies, the lotus literally everyone.

Will be gone essentially

[strange plinth]

the tenno can still age
rell did

[fast dew]

I do wonder how Albrecht managed to get mountains of cavia when we know there's a limited amount he would've done. "3-1" is what i think the number we were given was

[hollow trench]

Is it like super delayed then

[strange plinth]

we've been in cryo for who knows how long

[fast dew]

Age is weird for orokin era people anyways

[dire mountain]

The orokin are pompous and we already know they liked to seed other worlds with earth-based lifeforms. And with Oxygen presumably being poison to the xenoflora (kept in cases on Tauron), it released a huge wave of gases in order to give the plants a chance to grow in a suitable environment

[fast dew]

Loid should be in his 60s/70s before cryosleep

[strange plinth]

rell bound himself to harrow to avoid death via old age iirc

[pale cedar]

It's delayed in the sense Orokin made people able to live past 70 without ice

[hollow trench]

It'd be cool to bound ordis to a Warframe

How long do the warframes last for?

[fast dew]

Say loid is 20 when he first works with Albrecht, he was around for Euleria's childhood to adult hood, so add another 20 years and he was around for the grand children's childhood to adulthood, these are minimum ages, so he should be around his 60s. He sure doesn't look it

[pale cedar]

Forever if not killed

[fast dew]

Loid has that orokin skincare™

[hollow trench]

You'd think the infestation would destabilize at some point

[pale cedar]

Nah

Infestation ranks above time

Literally

[hollow trench]

I haven't read much into the infestation

[strange plinth]

Lizzie Knows when you reset

[fast dew]

Its a opposite twin to the void

The void is nothing, the infestation is everything

[dire mountain]

Well considering their whole thing is a mind outside of time, nah

[pale cedar]

In Chains of Harrow, a Warframe is called an eternal vessel

[hollow trench]

So they are just like the flood

Also the for narmer theme slaps

[dire mountain]

The flood starve eventually. I don't think we know about if the infestation will

[strange turtle]

You mean like, physical destabilisation or?

[fast dew]

The warframes do need to be fed

[hollow trench]

I guess yeah? Like they retain the consciousness but the physical aspect degrades

[pale cedar]

Considering the Infestation feeds Warframes I doubt it

[strange turtle]

It’s ultimately biological so yeah, unless it leans hard into the techno/metal side

[strange plinth]

i love for narmer because its a complete corruption of we all lift together
the melody is wrong, the message is changed. this is not a work song, this is a devoted chant.

[hollow trench]

The cutscene honestly ripped my heart out

[strange turtle]

Though to the degree necessary would probably need intentional cultivation ala Alad V and the Mutalist, and whoever the Helminth guys were

[hollow trench]

Like I fw Solaris hard and I was like yeah stick it to the man

[fast dew]

Solaris..

Reminds me of a thing in silksong

[strange turtle]

The technocyte is build different and can quite literally build itself different

[hollow trench]

It's a combination of behaviors of a fungus and a virus plus just having the obvious hive mind.

[strange turtle]

When you operate on the scale it does the usual concerns stop being well, concerns

[hollow trench]

You think the infestation hated the orokin for making it into warframes or was it just like feed me seymore!

Also the archons

Are they sentient and warframes mixed together

[dire mountain]

Yes

That's very much explicitly stated

[hollow trench]

Like caliban but not refined essentially

[silk atlas]

That's the exact way they're described when you talk to Hunhow, yeah

[strange plinth]

"were made by my son, Erra. Hybrid abominations of the Old War... raised from the blighted battlefields where Sentient and Warframe fell."

[fast dew]

"Yuppie food :DDDDDD Oh this doctor is mean he won't let me eat flare"
– the infestation probably

[hollow trench]

😂

[fast dew]

Lizzie does use emoticons so its not entirely out of character

Reckon Albrecht uses them or nah

Old man ones

[strange plinth]

lizzie hitting me with ">:3" was incredible

[fast dew]

:-}

– Albrecht maybe

[dire mountain]

No

[strange plinth]

albrecht probably types how he talks
slowly and methodically

[dire mountain]

Albrecht doesnt even use full words if he doesnt have to

[fast dew]

Have we even seen him type? There's the atomicycle notes but those could be Loid. However unlikely that is

[strange turtle]

Definitely

[hollow trench]

So I did the math on qorvex

He would have to have a crucible holding an element with a minimum atomic mass of 300 to be able to kill things with radiation

[strange turtle]

He had those books he left us after

[hollow trench]

In the speed he does

[dire mountain]

Opening of the hex

He sends a message to arthur

[strange plinth]

oh wait there is the "UNDR MIRAS AVE 10 MIN DNT B L8" in the hex, yea

[dire mountain]

But like arthur types it out I think

[fast dew]

Oh he talks like a skater boy wtf 😭

Get grandpa OUT of 1999 someone save him

[dire mountain]

The contrast is very funny to me because he's so flowery when talking or in his notes but on the computer is: c u l8er

[fast dew]

Loid types like how he speaks. Him forgetting to introduce himself on the kim system was so cute

[hollow trench]

He's playing hide n seek with the pro series champion rn

[fast dew]

And he's winning (mostly)

[strange plinth]

i think the funniest implication of that scene is that he also would've increased the text size
there is no way that was the default setting

[fast dew]

Someone stop grandpa from modifying shit too

[dire mountain]

Ohh and see it in the flesh has the announcer after the match 😭
"Mic check, where's Albrecht?"

[fast dew]

Last time he did that, he blew someone up the loki proto/j

[hollow trench]

It's like when you were a kid hiding in the circular cloth racks at Walmart and ur mom was pissed because she couldn't find u

[strange plinth]

"Adjust the tech (benevolently)"

[fast dew]

The (benevolently) part was sooo funny 😭

Shit wrong second one

But uh. First one is a favourite

Bro might be a hater

[strange turtle]

Albrecht grinding the rails in the Labs on a skateboard while Loid follows on rollerskates holding a tray

[strange plinth]

oh so that's how he got around in there,

[hollow trench]

He had the hoverboard

[strange turtle]

The original Vent Kid

[fast dew]

💔

[strange turtle]

Along with Dagath

[fast dew]

NO CUS LOID WOULD ROLLERSKATE

Am i perhaps projecting

[strange plinth]

maybe
i could see it tho

[fast dew]

My rollerskates are glaring at me

Muckin. Hate being disabled.

[strange turtle]

Loid finding out theres a practical use for his ice skate practice as part of learning a thousand random things for the orokin just in case:

[fast dew]

the concept of Loid learning how to skate

[hollow trench]

Who else spared that Cephalon in the old piece?

[fast dew]

Me :)

[strange turtle]

I

[strange plinth]

as did i

[hollow trench]

I felt bad for him because he was just like they are at the time and probably wasn’t involved in anything hopefully

[fast dew]

He might’ve said a slur, but he ultimately was innocent.

[strange plinth]

i think he was more. misguided? than actually hateful
will it make a difference? no prolly not lol

[pale cedar]

I just wanted more Daklo lore and killing him would lower the chances

[strange turtle]

He was a racist, but he was also raised in an awful environment, fresh out of a war against the other party, there was legit suspicious stuff going on + unfamiliarity and uncanny valley effect

[dire mountain]

I spared daklo because I think he could change

[small vault]

Hey is there a book kinda thing to go through the lore from the first?

[dire mountain]

He was super racist but as soon as the treaty broke he kinda freaked out about it

[strange turtle]

That and he was taught and coded to worship the Orokin and be a meat ri-

[hollow trench]

Void lugg*r goes crazy tho

[pale cedar]

If Daklo isn't in Tau 2026 now I'm gonna do Uriel anger again

[strange plinth]

at least you'll be able to replay the quest by then /s

[fast dew]

If we end this arc without a loid floof, i will actually harm something

[dire mountain]

Monkey paw curls and it is his body that is barely hanging onto life. He admits he was wrong about the sentients before he completely shuts down

[strange turtle]

This too. Literally the moment he had cause to believe otherwise he did.

Thinking about it, it was probably even worse for him. These were, ultimately, his colleagues. He treated them and thought of them poorly and with suspicion, and in the end it was the very people he trusted that were the real issue

[fast dew]

Victim of circumstance

[hollow trench]

I honestly felt this way in the new war, soon as I got umbra out I took him with me to give ballas bta

[strange turtle]

To have to realise that, as your people begin slaughtering them around you, would be just, utterly horrifying

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447039990847504535/1448726608981659689/IMG_0074.gif

[strange plinth]

not really. there's the orokin archives site, which has mostly up-to-date lore in neat categories, but that's probably the closest you can get

[hollow trench]

It would be fun to kill each executor in flashbacks and see how it played out

[fast dew]

Well, we didn't kill every single one

And you can do that to Nihil

[dire mountain]

Mostly up-to-date outside newer content and KIM (because that's an entire can of worms to format)

[strange plinth]

we know how tuvul and avantus died, in a fair amount of detail
karishh is less detailed but still alluded to
we watched ballas
others are unknown

[fast dew]

Mm.saw through the spine

Actually what did Avantus do

[strange plinth]

if i had a nickel for every time an orokin executor was eaten by a warframe, i'd have two nickels
which isn't a lot but its weird it happened twice

[pale cedar]

Get shot for giving orders

[fast dew]

She looks so gentle. Which is probably on purpose to deceive us but like what did she do that is so bad

[rugged ruin]

Question was jade a support unit for the seven as she has a power of seven as a ability and ballass took a interest in her do to her want to birth her child?

[pale cedar]

No

[fast dew]

She looks like he could convince me that everything will be okay. Which... is hard.

[hollow trench]

To play thru it would be dope tho

[rugged ruin]

Hmmmm I see I thought so because of her ability name and how she was there for the naga drums

But your right

[hollow trench]

Even if we weren't the ones who killed

[small vault]

aah thanks

[pale cedar]

Jade is just a woman who broke Orokin law and was punished by being turned into a frame with the intention of the baby never coming out

Yes, Ballas is that petty

[rugged ruin]

I know

[hollow trench]

Baby Warframe

[past vortex]

Why would the Orokin want to ruin their shit with the sentients like ik it was the anarchist who got ride of all the blue Lotus but ballas always doin sum,I be realizing that the Warframe politics is not too far from ours it's all jus for power and control ain't it

[dire mountain]

Well the seven were split half and half with ballas being the deciding vote

[hollow trench]

Ballas Is a monster, homeboy had plans that he would have gone thru either way because he was in it for the love of the game

Bro turned people into warframes for blinking the wrong way honestly

[past vortex]

Yea like that's funny asl dude rly had sum Goin a whole empire Goin and was straight up like nah,I need to be evil

[dire mountain]

Ballas isnt special in that sense. Its the orokin. He's one of the Seven. All of them were evil as shit

[past vortex]

Yea bro like Warframes were meant to be weapons like Jade ain't do nun, lowkey they did start as ppl witch is still evil

[strange turtle]

There was also another who wanted to mess things up, Executor Nitokh, who supposedly did that sort of thing on the reg (on much lower scale obv) out of pure love of the game

[past vortex]

I ain't even know there was 7 tbh Ballas was the only rly talked about or I'm jus wrong

[hollow trench]

The part that gets me is he had an entire planet all.the women he could pick from and his only love interest was in charge of keeping kids with the ability to murder thousands of people on their own and once she died he just said f it y'all are on your own

[strange plinth]

Nitokh was supplying the anarchs because she wanted more war

• it was the first actual war the empire had been in, and as roathe puts it, "War, magnificent war! At last, the Empire meant something. Defined by an extinction more imminent than the Sun’s eventual death, we drank deep of the nectar of life."

[restive river]

||Doesn’t Roathe say he was one of the more mild members||

[strange turtle]

Ballas is the only one that was really relevant until recently yeah, but the others have popped up here and there in lore stuff. Like the boss from the Glassmaker Nightwave, Nihil

[past vortex]

Yea it's really jus like irl it's jus for control and other suchs

[restive river]

I wish Nihil was still alive so I could do what Voruna did

[dire mountain]

At least during the Empire's reign, yeah

[hollow trench]

Nitokh was the worst from what we know

She was very prone to being insanely violent.

Ballas was a slow burn type of guy

[past vortex]

Ahhh Nihil is one of the 7 lowkey been wanting his sword

[restive river]

I really hope they got any of the other not confirmed dead ones in their back pocket as potential villains

[strange plinth]

Nihil's status in terms of the Seven is
complex

[restive river]

I meant Tuvul but Nihil works too lol

[hollow trench]

Honestly that would be hype

[strange plinth]

Drifter says he's an executor, which would imply one of the Seven
but he's not a part of the listed Seven Executors at the time of the old peace
nor does he have a giant golden statue

[thick yacht]

Nitokh

[restive river]

I’d imagine they wouldn’t really retread on what Ballas already had done either so it’d be fresh even though it’s just another blue face

[thick yacht]

She seems really bad

[past vortex]

So is the 7 all dead or they r jus like doing there own thing like nihil is in his own kind dimension but I don't know about any other ones and Ballas is dead as far as we know

[restive river]

Yeah she’s an obvious next villain after wally and albrecht are dealt with
And with the Tau arc coming up maybe we’ll see her

[thick yacht]

Tuvul, Karishh, and Avantus are dead

[restive river]

We know some are dead but more are mia atm

[restive river]

And Ballas ofc

[strange plinth]

Tuvul, Avantus, Karishh, and Ballas are dead
Scarne, Tormis, and Nitokh are unknown

Nihil is in his stupid jar

[restive river]

Stupid jail for stupid guy

[hollow trench]

I feel like wally is a slow burn villain

Nitokh is gonna be in the Tau update prob and we will see how her involvement even further plays out

[past vortex]

Hmmm ok I may look into those guys I rly did not know there was more ppl doin Ballas type evil

[hollow trench]

I just want more spooky dooky content

[thick yacht]

We’re assuming she wasn’t killed for high treason

[hollow trench]

If she was then she might just be in flashbacks

But it's tbd

[strange plinth]

doubt tbh

[restive river]

Well we know that the Tau arc has just started and will be long while the void war arc is kinda the main one atm

[hollow trench]

Yeee

[restive river]

They probably all laughed about it after tbh

[hollow trench]

But wally is gonna be a decent time away before we get rid of him permanently if we even can

Homeboy will be involved in a lot of the backstory and I wouldn't be surprised if he was interfering on multiple fronts

[restive river]

Maybe not tbh, it depends on what’s next
I also doubt we can ever truly get rid of him, y’know?

[hollow trench]

I just want more spooky scary skeletons type of updates and I'd be happy.

Have me a little nervous yk

[thick yacht]

I’m not sure it’s doubtful when she actively tried to launch a coup against the Empire

[strange plinth]

another chains of harrow-esque quest would be great honestly

[restive river]

All tenno have a piece of him for one so we can’t truly get rid of him
We can’t just cut off the void as it’s the key to. Way too much
And the murmur faction has to continue to exist post arc and they are him

[thick yacht]

Pretty sure even the other Orokin would be like “yeah no”

[strange plinth]

keyword is tried

[restive river]

I’d kill for some good cosmic/body horror this arc tbh

[strange plinth]

if there was one to be kicked off the council, it is probably Nitokh, but i don't see much happening to her as a result of supporting the anarchs or the coup

[thick yacht]

Orokin have killed people for FAR less than sedition and high treason. These aren’t the types to have mercy

[restive river]

At least one of the other seven thought it was funny

[hollow trench]

Like us in the zariman trying to survive initially after the deal is struck because I'd imagine that it was ugly to say the least

[strange plinth]

yes, with no consequence, because those people are far beneath them
but The Seven are on the same playing field

[hollow trench]

Even with powers

[restive river]

Us reliving parent blaster simulator would do numbers on us
Especially if he teases us with a void angel of our og parents (which I doubt they’d directly show us them but y’know)

[strange turtle]

I do think that the others would’ve punished her in some way, if only because that level of undermining their authority was too much to brush off like the usual politicking, especially on such a sensitive and important matter

[restive river]

I really want Wally to go all out and play on our trauma and for us to combat that with everything we’ve learned and feel all culminating in us conceptually embodying something to use against him

[manic rover]

I just had a thought.. was it EXPLICITELY said tha the Old Peace takes place AFTER the Old War?
In the Old Peace we learn that the Sentients were a hivemind but after the use of xenaflora, they became individually self-aware.
Hunhow was the "leader" of the Sentients.. a royal hierarchy doesn't imply the existence of a hivemind

[thick yacht]

The Emperors can intervene

[restive river]

The Old Peace is DURING the Old War

[hollow trench]

That would be the ticket tbh, or not just the operator but the drifter as well. Because duvuri is born after the void jump but the gap period between it forming and the jump would be something that is a thing

[strange plinth]

"can you believe that we used to be at war?" - operator at the start of the quest
its in the middle, like Ducky said

[restive river]

Drifter’s situation was even more helpless since they had to watch other tenno murder the adults while they could do like actually nothing
I’d vibe with either one tbh

[pale cedar]

Either option is parents dying tbh

[restive river]

Also ofc we know the old war continues as we literally see it Origin System side post old peace (Erra prelude cutscene)

[pale cedar]

Drifter still could've killed them

[strange turtle]

They’re implied to have also killed, by the KIM

Though if its their own depends on your choice

[restive river]

Not with void powers

[pale cedar]

A kills a kill

[restive river]

Which one’s more traumatic lol

[restive river]

I mean helpless compared to the other tenno lol

[manic rover]

yeah but hear me out
what if "we used to be at war" has the same implication WW1 being called "The Great War" even though WW2 was "much bigger"?
The climax of the Old War as we know it has yet to come

also it's important to point out, acoording to Roathe, the Orokin had never been in a REAL MONUMENTAL war until they met the Sentients. So much, in their own hubris they saw the war breaking out as entertainment. Sentients were the first thing the Orokin saw as "war"

All I'm saying is that what we come to know as the Old War is just now starting.

[pale cedar]

Might depend on the person tbh

[restive river]

No void powers, no beams, no void mode, just their hands and a shank

[restive river]

Watching a person get disintegrated or doing whatever Drifter had the option to do

[strange plinth]

the warframes (alone), necramechs, and the tenno were all used in the Old War
those first two can't happen if the old war is just now starting

[pale cedar]

Did Drifter have the pistol during the incident?

[restive river]

Which tbh since Drifter’s is a choice we make in the KIM I’d prefer we see Operator’s end of things

[restive river]

No, they nabbed it during their escape in Duviri ~1k+ years later

[pale cedar]

Damn that means he used the gardening tools

[thick yacht]

Is operator even aware of the POM-2 PC

[pale cedar]

Yes

[thick yacht]

They’ve never touched it seemingly

[pale cedar]

Sanctum has a Pom 2

[hollow trench]

So here's a genuine question

Duvuri is from a book but the void manifests it physically obviously

What's to say that the drifter didn't build the sirocco while scavenging around, and rediscovers it while in duvuri

The whole idea of a separate world calls to a trauma response so I'd imagine that if you are living in a place like duvuri you aren't really remembering everything clearly

Unless I'm wrong?

@gusty socket

[manic rover]

I'm saying the "highlight" of the old war is just now starting. The part of the old war featuring THE GREAT and TERRIBLE Hunhow and the like
Necramechs and autonomous Warframes were used early in the "prologue" Old War until the Tenno evened the field (and subsequently the xenaflora)
The Old War was just so long ago that the "war" happening before the Old Peace and the actual Old War has been mixed into one major event dubbed as such

[pale cedar]

Now I want the Operator to create a KIM account

[manic rover]

unfortunately confirmed by rebb they won't be getting one

[strange plinth]

"kids can't type"

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-outrageous-gif-18393476362145033923

[manic rover]

although I really hope we get a "special" kim convo wherethe Operator is given the keyboard and talks with the drifter's partner or something

could be used as finally a window to the operator's psyche

[eager dragon]

"War"

[manic rover]

Operator starts spitting out every slur they have accumulated the instance they see a contact named "Roathe"

[pale cedar]

Literally all I want to see is Drifter talking to Operator on KIM

[manic rover]

YOU ARE DOING ##### WITH ####### WHOM?

[hollow trench]

That I could vibe with

[manic rover]

i want more table cutscenes

[pale cedar]

While I've been going through traumatic memories you've been dating?

[strange plinth]

actually operator sends a whole ass email to drifter for the hex what is she talking about

[manic rover]

give me more talks between the drifter and operator

[hollow trench]

This too

[manic rover]

i have internally canonized my own personalities for the both of them

[eager dragon]

The Devil of Tau no less???

[manic rover]

"I swear to Lua, we can't be the same person"

[fallow eagle]

Tinfoil hat time.

So all the upstairs Entrati have three names, right? Their given name, their Family name, then their newly given name. Roathe also has three names... Obviously Roathe, his real one that IIRC he hasn't given us yet, and (questionably) Uriel. He also seems to know Grandmother/Dagath well, and this is a seriously shaky theory... But could he be the "Grandfather" on Father's/Petros's side?

[pale cedar]

Actually dating 2 people at once what that's like so wrong damn Drifter

There would be some funny comments

Such a missed opportunity

[manic rover]

It's already plenty implied Roathe was at least bed buddies with Nitokh.

i dont think he would cheat ON THE MOST MERCILESS EXECUTOR

[fallow eagle]

But also, in keeping with current conversation
Operator casually traumatizing the Hex with the mountain of warcrimes they've committed

[eager dragon]

I headcannoned my Operator to be almost Orokin-like (you can't possibly spend so much time around the Orokin and not inherit atleast part of their... manners), and the Drifter as a more optimistic, friendly person.

[fallow eagle]

That's fair, yeah. It's just kind of funny that when he mentions her, he almost sounds like he's lamenting the fact she gave her name away.

It could be some old-flame-type stuff going on.

[eager dragon]

Because she's Orokin as well and names are rather important in their society, from what I understood.

I doubt it's anything other than that, honestly.

[silk atlas]

The physical body doesn't really matter anymore when you can swap and edit as much as you want

[pale cedar]

Drifter implies they can exist without a body somehow

[silk atlas]

Given Old Peace, both were mega indoctrinated, unsurprisingly.

[manic rover]

it probably implies that Roathe believes a person can't change (which is VERY MUCH IN LINE with his character)
he can't see the Entrati's getting themselves new names as something meaningful because he doesn't think they are NEW people all together

[silk atlas]

Which KIM is that

[fallow eagle]

I see my Operator as always being wearied and jaded, constantly being put through the wringer with almost zero breaks besides The Big Sleep™ but still just trooping on because he has to.
And then my Drifter's at the peak of his life, having fun and eating pizza and partying with his friends in a timeloop and generally being more hopeful and optimistic than the little devil

[fallow eagle]

That actually makes a ton of sense, huh. In that case, can't wait to see them actually interact if the Loid reunion plays out... Or if he'll just sneak off immediately after (or at least try)

[pale cedar]

One of the Quincy ones can't check rn

Drifter says something like however you explain it I'm living proof existing without a body

[silk atlas]

Oh yeah that

[manic rover]

My Operator and Drifter are polar opposites of each other. Op is hotheaded and almost constantly on edge although he is justifiably experienced in his field. The Drifter on the other hand, as he has gone decades with pure apathy and now just relearning how to feel, is rather quiet and compliant.
They also have very different views of the Orokin. Op absolutely despises them while Drifter has just a distaste of them but thinks there are good ones.
I have also made little lore for Op by changing his right eye into grey-ish white as a symbolism that he was losing himself during the war :D

[manic rover]

the "real" body is the operator

the Drifter isn't meant to be material

[strange plinth]

operator can do the exact thing drifter is referencing there

[manic rover]

they are nothing, only occupying the space the op leaves behind when they swap

[restive river]

And that was pre void
And while as a kid
Omg they’d shoot laetum and get knocked back lol

[manic rover]

it could also just alternatively mean that transference makes the body go poof

[restive river]

Play as operator and go touch it rn

[silk atlas]

Operator does the exact same thing when doing that in reverse.

Neither are special from each other in that regard.

[manic rover]

yeah but op has the privilege of saying they were here first

[strange plinth]

imagine it actually locked operator out

[manic rover]

lowkey really want a moment of the Drifter acting as parent figure to the operator

[restive river]

Sirocco’s origin is unknown but they only get it during the quest

This is all we got on it

“A silent pistol for infiltrations and assassinations. Generates its own ammunition from Void energy. A precisely timed reload over-charges the next shot.”

It is likely just a conceptually embodied weapon same as like 95% of everything in Duviri

[manic rover]

it's just a pistol used by Thrax' soldiers I guess

[restive river]

I’m def inclined to say the sirocco is conceptually embodied due its generation of ammo

[cunning tapir]

I see the Drifter/Operator as more a Big Sibling Little Sibling.

[manic rover]

literally same thing, thrax soldiers are also conceptually embodied

[fallow eagle]

Sirocco itself is a paradox

[restive river]

Tbh I think they made it and couldn’t decide where to put it
No other enemy uses it

[restive river]

Ye

[restive river]

How so?

[manic rover]

bows and swords have more aura

[hollow trench]

Parent blasting simulator when

[restive river]

True

[manic rover]

the sirocco could also just've been the Drifter's all-time gun that was just confiscated

[pale cedar]

Which Focus School has the Void bow?

[strange plinth]

madurai

[fallow eagle]

...Actually, it would be funny if it was just some sort of Orokin toy gun Drifter had when he was younger

[pale cedar]

Gonna go gor that next so I always have a bow

[fallow eagle]

Conceptually embodied and given power by the void

[restive river]

It’s def from the void due to its ammo generation, that or it was modified but I doubt that

I could see it being a childhood toy gun that the void modified but eeeh, no evidence

[manic rover]

NERF SIROCCO
DE NOW

[fallow eagle]

Warframe/Nerf Collab when

[strange plinth]

where's that image of Rebb pointing a sirocco at the camera

[fallow eagle]

Honestly, there are a lot of neat weapon designs in warframe you could fit foam blaster internals into handily

[manic rover]

Trumna, Sirocco, Boltor and Lex.

[hollow trench]

Honestly it would be horrifying seeing some of the adults morph into void angels as you are meandering thru the ship

Like not smooth change either

[fallow eagle]

Mega Archguns

[manic rover]

someone contact hasbro or whoever has the nerf

[restive river]

Void angels came later, not during the incident

[manic rover]

wasnt it the holdfasts that turned into void angels and now the real adults themselves?

[hollow trench]

I'm not sure

[strange plinth]

parents die -> void construct recreation -> void angel

[manic rover]

also are we just never gonna acknowledge the operator/drifter's FIRST PAIR OF PARENTS?

[hollow trench]

Also we don't have trumna slander here

[restive river]

Correct, not the real adults but ghosts of who they were, kinda

[fallow eagle]

I mean, they're the customizable [Main Character]'s parents

[restive river]

We did and have

[fallow eagle]

It'd be kinda hard to concretely acknowledge them

[manic rover]

have the drifter and operator one day talk about.. "Do you remember dad.. or mom?.. "..No"

[hollow trench]

So.void angels are just really terrifying zombies

[fallow eagle]

So the best we're likely going to get are little nods

[restive river]

We have the photo of them, kiddo comes from our dad and Drifter can talk about them somewhat

[manic rover]

one single kim choice

[dire mountain]

What was the deal with the mirror princess again

[manic rover]

acknowledge them further dammit

[pale cedar]

Best I got

[manic rover]

search the last 5 devshorts

[strange plinth]

you get a picture of them as a decor item after angels

[hollow trench]

I also want to see the operator just go all out more because the orokin deserve it

[pale cedar]

Rebb is actually Lotus irl because she changes appearances all the time

[manic rover]

i want the drifter and operator to crash out on each other
full of warframe transitioning into bare fist fights

[hollow trench]

I don't think they will

They are pretty good with each other

[manic rover]

operator has the upper hand on warframe combat so the drifter does something to get them out and start fighting like siblings

[dire mountain]

Why though

[manic rover]

we have seen them talking to each other only once
Lotus Eaters doesn't count as they were both talking to the Lotus

[pale cedar]

I‘m surprised Operator never complains at Drifter calling them kid but crashes out at Teshin saying it

[manic rover]

the plot could bring a favorable situation for it to happen.

[hollow trench]

But they understand each others memories no? They are each other in a sense

[pale cedar]

Doesn't say memories per se

[frosty cargo]

Maybe cause he misses teshin?

[pale cedar]

Just that they can talk to each other

[manic rover]

have the Drifter grab the operator from recklessly diving into danger to save someone dear to them THAT IS NOT THE LOTUS (we already saved her once) causing the operator to immediately crash out on the Drifter

[frosty cargo]

So they could be, in theory, run around together in albrechts labs?

[strange plinth]

in the Great Indifference sections, maybe

not the labs as a whole

[manic rover]

Oh no.. It will be that scene from Cyberpunk 2077 if you choose to go in bed with the cop love interest if the drifter decided to get with Roathe.

[torn plover]

They seem to ultimately be anomalies right?

[manic rover]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ukjecd_fBKU scene in question btw

[frosty cargo]

8 warframes go brrr (full multiplayer)

[manic rover]

Operator making commentaries on the Drifter's love choice like they are MoistCritical

[frosty cargo]

Oh, he knows with all of the relationships

Damn he will be exposing Drifter

[torn plover]

The Dating Sim Situation Is Crazy

[pale cedar]

Why are you dating 2 people? That's literally cheating

[manic rover]

"So the average partners per person remains 1"

[frosty cargo]

Now i wanna see an interaction with this in mind

[torn plover]

I know the intent wasn't for it to seem like dating two ppl since they're in different pockets of time but when they share the same KIM system... idk

[manic rover]

istg gonna go through the entirety of new war again so I can get a new screenshot of my drifter and operator arguing on the table

[strange plinth]

when you can navigate time like distance, that doesn't really matter

[hollow trench]

So it's like a two headed turtle

[pale cedar]

DE’s own reasoning for it was that time travel means it isn't cheating

[manic rover]

it will be acknowledged in the following kim chats
apparently you will ask for consent on your first choice

[torn plover]

Oooo

[frosty cargo]

New lore meme?

[torn plover]

Based consensual polydating

[manic rover]

that was just for the joke, they just don't want people complaining about "wasting their time" romancing one character for a better one to release

my only issue with this is that the existence of 2 partners dumbs down any potential impact a love interest will have in the story

[torn plover]

Im a simple woman – I see Marie I'm 👀, I see Eleanor I'm 👀
We have two hands for a reason fr

[pale cedar]

I do hope DE adds dating for the 1999 protos

[manic rover]

One thing though.
Eleanor was on her way to become a nun.. and then the drifter choose the nun
i want that to be a topic on the chat

[torn plover]

It'd be sick if the version of herself she saw was a quick glance at Marie honestly

[manic rover]

for now marie hasn't quite caught my eye yet THICK french accent
gotta learn more of her lore and how she lost her legs

[strange plinth]

the nun version of eleanor was a nun of lua, shaved head
Marie is a nun of sol

[pale cedar]

Wait that means it isn't cheating if I'm dating 2 Eleanors

[manic rover]

I don't like Lyon though. He looks insufferable.. which is a remarkable feat considering he is roommates with the equivelent of Joseph Goebbels

[torn plover]

The perfect situation to be in
Though I was imagining something like a version of herself that lived similarly to her

[pale cedar]

Tbh I can't tell if she saw Wally or an actual alt self

[manic rover]

Drifter being forced on the chair (Oberon kept it warm for him) after Eleanor and Marie start making out

[torn plover]

Aren't they a pair deal though? Those who follow Lua offer respects to Sol and vice versa

[strange plinth]

they specialize a bit
but yes, you're not just worshipping one

[manic rover]

religion in 1899/1999 is still weird to me though
you would expect it to be less.. mythological and idolizing celestial bodies

[restive river]

Polycules:

[torn plover]

That's a good point
Hopefully that gets explored more– Wally's interference and so on

[restive river]

Dualism is an analog to christianity lol

It is def different but it’s the analog to that

[torn plover]

I think it's a really interesting take on religion personally, almost like how Greek gods are envisioned in some media

[pale cedar]

Is Dualism present at all in Christianity?

[restive river]

No?

I don’t believe so anyway

[manic rover]

Not a well thought out one. Although it's still not explicitely clear that Sol and Lua are literally the moon and the sun or it's just the names of the 2 gods that were just derived from the corresponding celestial bodies

[restive river]

I wanna say real life dualism is also a different thing entirely lol

[dire mountain]

Theres the trinity and thats the closest thing I can think of

[pale cedar]

Sun Moon

[manic rover]

Actually, Sol and Lua not actually being the Moon and the Sun just the ones they are named after would make sense tbh

[restive river]

They’re derived from the celestial bodies and I’d argue it’s more well thought than you think lol
We’ve known of dualism long before 1999, it’s only with 1999 and the triad that we’re getting proper details

[restive river]

I mean yeah thats kinda what it is

[manic rover]

then my bad there
had ancient mythologies come to mind first

[pale cedar]

Do you think we'll ever see Sol and Lua in-game if real?