lore-discussion

[strange turtle]

He already knows

[fading mist]

I don't think we can even contact pazuul

hunhow is always stuck doing his own thing, plus his hsadow is gone now

[sonic cedar]

leave intel at narmer camp and they will let Pazuul know

[strange turtle]

Pazuul is also our enemy who doesnt like us one bit

[fading mist]

we still not quite sure what his goals really are

plus the narmer story plot is basically cut off rn

its just wally, and entrati and tau rn

[strange plinth]

narmer has a link to tau, they might show up again

[strange plinth]

collecting resources for.. something. and yapping. a lot
<something about holy tau and the zariman flame here>

[fading mist]

perhaps a mini quest between this and tau

a prologue

and why have we still not get rid of nef

he's too dumb for his position

[strange plinth]

killing him would open a vacuum for someone else, potentially worse, to take the spot

same reason worm's still alive

[fading mist]

alad is too smart and always get himself into trouble, ergo is sketchy...

resurrect veso and make him the new corpus lead 🔥🔥

[strange plinth]

glast was already removed from the board iirc
alad's board status is a mystery. he was on it at some point i think

venmo is dead, can't get around that

[fading mist]

I said resurrect

throw him into the void, he's come back alive

since we died and thrown into the void and came out, ballas probably could as well, then we can punch him again

[strange plinth]

he was stressed enough dealing with moas and some puzzles i think he'd explode

[brazen seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/682654292909490284.webp?size=48&animated=true

[fading mist]

or just get rid of all corpus leads, and send in a vauban tenno, simple fix

[strange plinth]

very large vacuum there

[fading mist]

then just , send in more vaubans

we have countless vaubans

[brazen seal]

In Warframe we are no heroes

[fading mist]

exactly why Im sending in vaubans specifically

[brazen seal]

We are just balancing the system so it doesn't fall into caos

[strange plinth]

we keep the balance, no hostile takeovers

[brazen seal]

The story of warframe only goes downwards
It's from here to worse

[pine orchid]

I am the Lorak and I speak for the Void Xd

[fading mist]

the book have quite the dps

[strange turtle]

That not what happened to us

[fading mist]

eh, I mean, technically

[fast dew]

Ballas died before entering the void

I thought that was like. Giga obvious

[fading mist]

I mean, just make him into a husk, still a punchable face

[strange turtle]

It wasn’t being in the Void that did that we’re just built like that

[fast dew]

No conceptual embodiment happening there. Broski is dead

[fading mist]

okay, sillyness aside, what do you think operator's 4th ability could be? if tauron strike uses 3rd ability slot, that means its not the strongest yet...

[strange turtle]

Love Beam once we resurrect Adis with a green archon shard

[fading mist]

how would they balance that

perhaps a new 4th is self destruction, become void nuke

[strange plinth]

-# where's that pablo tweet...

[strange turtle]

They would’n’t but it’d have a special meter you need to fill that takes 5x as long as getting the school special attack ready

[brazen seal]

I really thought DE would add the last 2 operator skills this update

[pine orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/rapunzel-gif-21426843

[fading mist]

that is so expensive

[pine orchid]

adis looks a lil different

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/dear-god-soldier-tf2-soldier-tf2-gif-7977085984093123408

[fading mist]

theres more

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-this-is-a-bucket-gasp-no-way-gif-18649024

[fading mist]

its soo harddd to charge tauron strikes... its only viable is actually doing long missions...

[strange turtle]

The final, low health enemy on wave 20 of defence watching me pull out my Madurai bow because I’m using it on something damn it

[fading mist]

hmm... why is uriel in the old peace? roathe says theres Uriel Prime, then it wouldn't really make sense theres a non-prime in that era...

[fast dew]

...no?

Not all warframes started as primes.

Some earned it.

[fading mist]

but there is an uriel prime

[fast dew]

Yes. One that Roathe probably had to himself.

[fading mist]

nope

he knew an Uriel prime , nto himself

[fast dew]

So.. what's the issue

Theres multiple base Uriels as well.

[fading mist]

why are there multiple uriels when they are deemed dangerous, even trapped one

[strange turtle]

Yes, knew a Uriel Prime, and the Uriels where his unit

[fast dew]

Warframes as a whole were deemed dangerous later on anyways.

[fading mist]

what is Uriel, really, what do they stand by the name

[brazen seal]

The orokin were this twisted

[fast dew]

Uriel. Archangel of wisdom iirc

[strange turtle]

The Orokin thought it’d be funny because of Roathe’s title

Probably more to it but still early in the KIMs so

[strange plinth]

are the Uriels the most of a single warframe that are 100% confirmed to exist

[fading mist]

and how many kullervos out there, alongside the whole squad

[fast dew]

.. there's multiple of all warframes with a few exceptions

[fading mist]

I wonder what's Daklo doing now

[fast dew]

Aren't the acolytes living proof of the multiple warframes 😭

[fading mist]

acolytes are using common frames

[fast dew]

Yes. And? Still multiple normal frames

[fading mist]

Im talking about multiple "rare" not , multiple "common" batches

nah, especiaclly xaku

[fast dew]

We can see that there's multiple prime frames too (commandeered caliban isn't the caliban we saw in the tauron academy, presumably)

[pale cedar]

Protoframes are proof Orokin could make another of any frame if they wanted to

[fast dew]

Xaku isn't even really a frame I aint gonna lie. Not even a batch imo

But. We can still make multiple of Xaku

[fading mist]

off topic, what magic does margulis even possess, how did she just, made us sleep like that, gas?

[fast dew]

Both prime and non-prime

[strange plinth]

prolly related to transference therapy?

[fading mist]

a magician

[pale cedar]

Somatic connection

She made Transference therapy in the first place you better believe she knows how to do that

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-deception-more-lies-every-day-gif-10493922

[fast dew]

Ima cut holes in the soles of your shoes.

[lean garden]

bold of you to assume I have feet

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-anotado-noted-noted-gato-noted-cat-gif-15232071836705052766

Noted.

[dark compass]

I feel like of all the answers to this question Xaku is by far the most valid answer, because they're all protos going through the process, and having ramifications of 3 unrelated people ripped apart but still functioning by will of horrible eldritch void is not a pleasant idea in the slightest

Grendel eats people, duh

Sevagoth is a silly ghost pirate

Kullervo has knives, tough luck, Quincy is british

But Xaku is a type of horror that they're familiar with and at the same time is completely alien to them.

[tribal gulch]

The reason why ballas stopped umbra attack back then was because umbra is originally a dax warrior?

And he obeys orokin?

[jaunty oasis]

Maybe

[tall echo]

It's because ballas can control an unpiloted umbra

[tribal gulch]

Hmmm

[jaunty oasis]

When it comes to story beats, it’s important to establish explicit and implicit information.

It’s never stated how Ballas did it, or how he was able to do it. He just does it.

[mystic mortar]

About the flora and the sentients being hungry for orders, thats why Erra was following ballas's orders? Or there is more to it....

[jaunty oasis]

There’s always more to it

[lean garden]

Unfortunately it would be that Erra was just an idiot

not that he needed alien flower spores

Remember: Erra wakes up his idea and turns on ballas, because he realised he was an idiot

[pale cedar]

Has anyone ever trusted Ballas and walked away unharmed in any way?

[main crane]

I'd like to think that the fragments are the ones susceptible to the hivemind control. Erra is not a fragment. He's a direct offspring. I guess that's why he doesn't need a hivemind. In short, he's just an idiot.

[lean garden]

bingpot

[tawdry dew]

Yo anyone feel like explaining Warframe lore 😭 bc I’m confused as hell

[wise quiver]

We all are

[lean garden]

Im not whatsup

[tawdry dew]

Durvi quest I think

[main crane]

You currently in Duviri?

I mean the quest of course

[tawdry dew]

Yepppp

[tawdry dew]

Yea lowkey confused as hell

[lean garden]

uhuh

what are you confused about

[main crane]

You're in for a whole lot of spoilers then

[tawdry dew]

Like the whole thing…

[tawdry dew]

Tbh idc I don’t get it

Who the drifter

[lean garden]

Imma need you to break it down into parts, are you confused about the characters? the plot?

[tawdry dew]

Character and plot

[lean garden]

ok first off, what is your last main story quest?

have you done the Second Dream yet?

The New War?

[tawdry dew]

Uhhhh I did the heart of demois

[main crane]

I assume they haven't done those since Duviri takes place way before those quests for new players

[tawdry dew]

Now I think I got new war maybe

[lean garden]

duviri is optional, so players can and have done it later

[tawdry dew]

Yea I’m still doing it

[lean garden]

ok real quick, what do you know about child soldiers?

[main crane]

Wait

[tawdry dew]

Wait what 😭 where they at

[main crane]

Heart of Deimos and New War are far from each other

[lean garden]

ok so you

are not in a position yet

to understand

I highly recommend going to uranus and starting Natah

[main crane]

Simply, we do not want to spoil you because it's gonna ruin everything.

[tawdry dew]

What after heart of Deimos thrn

[tawdry dew]

Oh klm

[main crane]

Yeah. Do Natah quest. It will surely give you some answers.

[mystic mortar]

Bro i know DE is trying to push cool and flashy content to new players but its not working... This guy is a victim of duviri being so early available

[tawdry dew]

Ohhhhhh natah I think I got that

[lean garden]

your next set of main quests are Natah, The Second Dream, The War Within, Chains of Harrow, The Sacrifice, Prelude to War and then The New War

[tawdry dew]

Oh klm thanks

[tawdry dew]

Is it not supposed to be now

[pine orchid]

I highly believe the refractory was meant to be in this room, after going to the sanctum to check this out

[lean garden]

if it were up to me I'd push duviri to after the New War

and honestly? DE literally is testing out a feature in this update that I think should be implemented onto duviri

[tawdry dew]

Ohhhh

Who DE…

[lean garden]

the devs lol

[main crane]

But... but... the Drifter cosmetics...

[lean garden]

Digital Extremes, DE

[main crane]

Anyways

[tawdry dew]

Oh..

[mystic mortar]

This particular topic with duviri its a mess... It used to be even earlier in the game but it shouldn't be even where it is now at all... Just try not to visit this thread i would suggest you for now 😅

[tawdry dew]

Ohhhh why would they do that 😭

Bc idk even know how to get a operator

[mystic mortar]

Complete duviri then forget about it... Go do the quests ppl suggested you to do and after new war remember duviri again kek 😅

[pure robin]

Folks i have a theory why ballass blinded margulis

[main crane]

But... but... we blinded Margulis

[pure robin]

Evrything is ballasses fault

[tall echo]

Nah

[pure robin]

Huh really? When

[tall echo]

Chains of harrow reveals it

[pure robin]

Well i haven't done chains in like 5 years

[mystic mortar]

Tell us the theory tho i would like to hear it

[tall echo]

Specifically rell blinded her but yk

[pure robin]

No

[pure robin]

Deserved tho. Cos if I remember correctly she literally kicked him out cos he whas different

[tall echo]

She kicked him out for blinding her

Other tenno kicked him out on the zariman for being "weird"

[pure robin]

Fml i really need to re read old warfare lore

[tall echo]

It's not even that old tbh

Just like what, 8 years?

[lean garden]

Funny enough, Wally would have us think we did it

and everyone else wont name who

[pure robin]

Soo i can headcannon it that it whas ballass cos his pp small

[tall echo]

No

One thing that's certain is that it was a tenno

[pure robin]

Well tbf using the power of Satan to burn down the entire place dosent hell the claim that we are innocent

[fast dew]

Its still in that room

[tall echo]

That was bc ballas was a scheming, lying, disgusting little prick

[fast dew]

Marie, Lyon and Roathe aren't in the refractory

[pale cedar]

“Blinded she cast him out”

[tawdry dew]

Yo anyone feel like explaining this stalker guy following

This guy followed me into a infestation mission 😭

[pale cedar]

Some have walked these desolate worlds while you have slept. Some like me. I remember what you did. I remember the day.
The Tenno appeared at the Terminus, gleaming and victorious. Our cold and gold Emperors, breathless, bathed you in savior's silk. Then came the sound. Across all our worlds, all at once, the ceremonial Naga drums. A royal salute to the honored Tenno. Ten solemn beats to declare the suffering was over. I watched from a distance, with the rest of the low Guardians. With each beat terror began to crush my throat. The Tenno were not stoic and silent. They were waiting. They were poised. I tried to call out but only a strangled whisper escaped.

When the ninth beat rang a torrent of blood filled the stadium, loosed by Tenno blades. The drums, the Empire, fell silent forever.

Now I hunt, dividing your numbers. Watching from that dark place, cataloging your sins, I am the ghost of retribution. You may forget but you are not innocent.

[tawdry dew]

Woah…

[tawdry dew]

Thanks

[pale cedar]

I’m surprised you didn’t get sniped for saying that word

[digital ore]

ok this part is annoying me. can someone help.
-spoilers for old peace-

||Margulis died before the warframes, according to the 2nd dream only later was transference discovered? at least according to the order the audio of past conversations was ordered.
-is this incorrect? was she alive during transferance and us using the warframes?

"The Orokin murdered Margulis - used her work to create 'Transference'. Your mind - projected into a surrogate, strong enough to withstand your power. It felt like waking up, but it was just a lucid - second dream" - Lotus during The Second Dream||

||the Lotus, was created after Margulis died. Natah was to kill the Tenno, she didn't. she got....mind wiped? reprogrammed? and became the Lotus
but do we recognize the Lotus as seperate from Margulis b ack then? or did we think they were the same person.||

||Erra arrived and called Natah..Natah...but Natah responded she was the Lotus, not Margulis. she said this as she was surrounded by 6 tenno. did Tenno not question why a sentient is calling the Lotus a sentient back then? or that she isnt Margulis? ||

||now the Old Peace...everyone is calling her Margulis. is this the original Margulis? or the Lotus? she's got the hat, so i assuming the Lotus, not Margulis. but this brings up questions of why call her Margulis, and not the Lotus. When the Orokin would all know Margulis is dead to the Jade Light. and timeline for transferance/warframes would put her dead BEFORE ||

[strange turtle]

It’s the og margulis

[digital ore]

soi the 2nd dream quote is wrong?

[tall echo]

What, prick?

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[slow viper]

i think || she was killed after her research was done cuz she took the blame for OUR rampage during the quest, pissed off that the seven (including himself) killed his love BALL-BUTT ( would type something else but Discords set to pg13 or something) so he makes the plan alongside Hunhow to break the orokin, leading to hunhow sending his daughter the lotus, who takes margulis's place as the tennos surrogate mother ||

[pale cedar]

Cuz the filter hates certain words

[lean garden]

prick has other meanings yknow

like prick your finger

[digital ore]

so Transferance was a thing BEFORE she died. it wasnt created, as the secound dream says, after she died.....

[fresh moss]

Old peace was the OG margulis . Our lotus as you saw in the second dream and old war is called daughter of hunhaw so technically our lotus is a sentient like erra if i understand the lore correctly

[strange turtle]

Not technically, straight up

[slow viper]

God i love looking for lore online...

[strange turtle]

She’s a Mimic, like the guys who hid as objects in that one mission on Lua

[strange turtle]

Theres a better official wiki, and the Orokin Archives

[dreamy orbit]

tfw the forgotten memories of tau is indeed a good setup to retcon some stuff in the lore ngl

[pale cedar]

Warframe doesn’t really have many or need retcons

[slow viper]

If by "better official wiki" you mean this one?

[digital ore]

if its a retcon, i wish they'd update the 2nd dream quote
or vice versa, replace margulis with "the lotus" in name for old peace.
which would fix the issue

[fresh moss]

Agree we didn't get a rich lore for operator since the old war

[pale cedar]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/

[strange turtle]

Archives still needs to update to account for a lot of recent changes and reveals, but wiki should be in the process of updating

[pine orchid]

sorry, I meant the refractory as in the new gamemodes

[strange turtle]

I meant better in a general sense, but yeah ig they forgot about that page

You could just check out the main articles, not like it’d take that long

[pine orchid]

I believe that it was probably that we could access it through that room

[lean garden]

or vice versa, replace margulis with "the lotus" in name for old peace.
which would fix the issue
Which would be wrong lmao

[digital ore]

not as wrong as it is now xD

[lean garden]

Anyways Margulis being alive when the tenno have been in the warframe project has been a thing since silver grove

[digital ore]

so the secound dream quote is wrong?

[strange turtle]

Margulis Jr

[dreamy orbit]

i also think natah herself has some memory lapse of the past, and understandably if you are handling 2 other personas other than your own

[lean garden]

Silvana: "My childhood dream has become a nightmare.** I don't blame Margulis, she's as much a victim as the children we're working with.** At first, the project seemed therapeutic and nurturing. I was myself.** But now... Transference therapy is being turned into a weapon.** Now I build these vile weapons called "Warframes" all for one purpose: death. I've become everything I hate."

[lean garden]

even as of silver grove... yea?

Transference therapy was a thing before it was a weaponised component of the warframe project

[digital ore]

k. so 2nd dream wrong
rest right.

noted

[fresh moss]

Also our lotus doesn't remember any of this if she already has memory of the past we wouldn't need to dive in it and live in the past as we did in the old peace quest she wanted to know the same as us

[frosty cargo]

Since when does Lotus have mindcontrol?
(Refering to her not knowing our memories)

[fresh moss]

Maybe we carry the memories which explains how we could go back in time to re live those memories but our lotus doesn't really have memories of that time

[dreamy orbit]

tbf in that time she was still natah

[frosty cargo]

Doesnt she have the ones from margulis?
But not our

[lean garden]

tbvf even if she did have margulis's memories we literally experienced more on the ground than she did

[silk atlas]

Margulis was too busy being jipped by Ballas, as was everyone else

[dreamy orbit]

also i don't think imprinting a memory gives a clear picture of the same thing

[frosty cargo]

Yeah as we see she wasnt really in contact with the tenno

[dreamy orbit]

there could be some mishaps in the process

[fresh moss]

Yup she kinda helped us with her power to go back in time and be more traumatized 😂

[dreamy orbit]

or things that we dont know

[silk atlas]

And all that said what would she care about things she already knows

[lean garden]

unironically there was a time where she did love ballas, and him her

that time is gone now

[frosty cargo]

That was the machine??

Literally first roathe i teraction tells us this

[lean garden]

the machine is a memory pool, not a time machine

[fresh moss]

I think beside the machine we were connected to the lotus also

[frosty cargo]

And? We didnt go back in time, we reexperienced it

[fresh moss]

Yup

[lean garden]

dont tell me that, tell the guy who used the words "go back in time"

[fresh moss]

You can't change the past as loid told you in the elevator you only re lived it and gained some of your memories back

[frosty cargo]

Yeah, i think to see the same picture as us

[dreamy orbit]

loid literally said its just a memory

[frosty cargo]

Well no wait mb

They cant see shit what i dream

[frosty cargo]

Pinged the wrong one mb

[dreamy orbit]

meanwhile... ill just chill and wait if we got some absolute world premiere this game awards from rebb

||maybe maybe cross-fingers tau within the first half of 2026||

[fresh moss]

Yeah they also said that once the griner set them up in the graduation area before they kill their teachers

[fresh moss]

Look at it like 1999 update last year in GOTY award they announced the date

Maybe we will get a look on something today

[frosty cargo]

Prob same today

[dreamy orbit]

iirc they will reveal something else right?

from last devstream

aside from TOP ofc

[hot mural]

The said they will announce Naga drums quest is next

[fresh moss]

Rebecca said something about a special thing in goty tonight

[hot mural]

Joking xd

[dreamy orbit]

that would actually make sense ngl

[fresh moss]

So hopefully we get the date for tau today

[hot mural]

There is lore wise like 2 quest before we can get Naga Drums quest

[dreamy orbit]

the way the old piece being shown to us is a clear build up to that

[hot mural]

They said too

“Tau won’t be the same as you remember “

We are going to Tau later in the future

To “present” Tau not the trauma memories from the Tenno

[fresh moss]

They said tau in 2026 so 100% there will be some build up quest before we actually go there

[hot mural]

That is The Old Peace for xd

We are remembering all that happened in Tau and why led to The Old War

Right now things are

[fresh moss]

That was in the past

I mean a pre quest like in the present

[hot mural]

Nope the “war” before was the first rebellion of the sentient

So

In order is Sentients get to Tau> They Rebel “1st war” > The Old Peace > The Old War > Naga Drums

[fresh moss]

Well hopefully we get tau right away cause yeah i am soo damn excited the new game mode really turn you into a war and battle field

[hot mural]

I just wanna slime Margulis

[dreamy orbit]

surprise surprise tau isnt as barren as we left after a major war
sentient hivemind thrive for the majority
something something wally screw around with some of them, turning into some weird murmur amalgam

then more revelations from albrecht

[mystic lynx]

Wait the old war isn't the war before old peace
So there's older war huh

[hot mural]

So hold to ur sits we get Tau next quest and hopefully Old War too

[silk atlas]

I'm sad we probably won't see Amar and the other beasts as individuals :(

Amar looks so cute...

[dreamy orbit]

we need the amar skin for kubrow

or better yet

[raw spire]

this update added nothing to the lore
just confused me more

[dreamy orbit]

sentient companions

[hot mural]

No The Old War is the one happening where Hunhow is drowned in the ocean planet but the war they talk about in this new quest is the rebellion the sentients had when they realized what the Orokin would do and how they designed them

[hot mural]

Do I know you from before?

[fresh moss]

Can we get our sentient friend as a companion please de 😂

[hot mural]

Shit I got mad at DE for killing Adis

[silk atlas]

We're going back into the Tenno's memories to see why we forgot about The Old Peace slash figure out why Albrecht would be there. You follow?

[silk atlas]

I wouldn't remember.

[strange turtle]

Actually it added quite a bit to the lore

[fresh moss]

It was essential to explain how we got our revive power

[dreamy orbit]

or as a specter

[strange turtle]

Pretty much the entire quest really

[raw spire]

i mean some things were just off
like wasn't margulis ballas' lover ?
or like didn't balls betray the orokin because they killed margulis ?

[hot mural]

Probs before anyways

#DeathtoMargulis

[silk atlas]

He was.
He wasn't betraying them at this time. He wanted the war to keep going so he can retain power over Tau instead of the Sentients

[dreamy orbit]

tyl regor is that you?

[hot mural]

IDC I WANT HER GONE

SHE TOOK MY BRO

[fresh moss]

Technically we actually carry her power with in us maybe just maybe we might see her again with some kind of twisted event happened after we left with margulis to lua

[hot mural]

She needs to go by our hand

[hot mural]

:3

Ok in seriousness now

[raw spire]

i mean he was obsessed with tau
he didn't want to destroy them

[hot mural]

He said too that’s the planet where they are residing and being born in

Again the jealousy of Orokin

[silk atlas]

Who's them? The Sentients?

[hot mural]

Yup

[raw spire]

yes

[fresh moss]

You guys forgot 1 important thing WHO IS THE SEVEN

[hot mural]

The top of the top

[raw spire]

but even if the story narration wasn't top notch i really appreciate the operator and drifter rework

[silk atlas]

...That's the whole reason he made the war keep going! To kill them because he couldn't control them! He somehow got Margulis (coerced or forced) to get the code switched to kill the flowers!

[lean garden]

The Seven Executors?

[fresh moss]

We know ballas is one of them so there is another 6 who rebels and there is more than 1 side in this war

[hot mural]

True for wha they announced of this quest id expect to be longer like New War but no

[raw spire]

when it finished i was like that's it ?

[hot mural]

That’s what she said about me 😔

[lean garden]

Ballas Tuvul Aventus Karishh Scarne Nitokh Tormis

[raw spire]

[lean garden]

The only ones at play in The Old Peace is Ballas and Nitokh

[hot mural]

And Mergulis

And Crash out Tenno

[fresh moss]

Yeah but i wonder on what side they stand back then in old peace and currently especially when we get to tau

[lean garden]

Scarne and 2 others were pacifists regarding the sentients

Nitokh and 2 others were ready to fight again

Ballas was the deciding vote

[raw spire]

but the moment we picked that devil frame and the song started rollin was damn cool

[hot mural]

Legit crash out

[dreamy orbit]

rap tap tap little piggy

[fresh moss]

Ah so basically sentients are our friends but balls and the others planned this for a reason we don't know yet to bring back the war

[raw spire]

negan vibes

[hot mural]

If Ballas couldn’t control them then he wanted them gone. He is a narcissist who likes to control everything and everyone

The Sentients where chilling

[raw spire]

seems like ballas wanted more far to distract others and claim tau for himself

i still don't know why he had to kill sentients

[silk atlas]

Because they're not under his control!

Plain and simple.

And it also lets him act under ignorance for setting the war back up by being the one to stall out the vote enough for a terrible thing to happen to justify the war

[fresh moss]

So getting back to tau with all the misunderstanding that happened because of ballas is now might be 50/50 situation and we might get dragged in another war again and work with sentients somehow as we look like a hope for them that is my guess cause the state of tau is unknown yet

Cause like you know we carry the bloom from our friend from the quest that revive us as a sign of peace

[hot mural]

There is nothing but feral Sentients there and Wally too so unless you somehow find a way to free hunhow so he can control them

[fresh moss]

That's interesting

[dreamy orbit]

big chance too they somehow figured out and it form different hiveminds

[hot mural]

WAIT WAIT I REMEBERED

[fresh moss]

Freeing hunhow and putting him back to the lore is kinda nice twist

[hot mural]

what hapennes to walk running?

[fresh moss]

They said the wall runnings got delayed

[hot mural]

Take into count he resigned himself to what is “The Great and Terrible Hunhow” but even now he doesn’t like us or hate us, he just doesn’t attack us since his daughter is our “mother”

[fresh moss]

Maybe tau will change that fact there's a lot of ways to approach tau

[hot mural]

Like walking there 🚶

[fresh moss]

But i am sure our revive power we got from our sentient friend will play an important role there

[digital ore]

yo lore fans
in the Sanctum Anatomica, next to Loid, is a computer to review logs.

for the log for Drifter, the very bottom line is cut off. any idea what that says

[tall echo]

Continuing to monitor iirc

[digital ore]

fits. accepted. ty

[strange turtle]

He’s talking specifically about the executors

[frosty cargo]

So the second dream procedure is already planned while margulis was alive and right after the old peace quest we head to lua

But when margulis got executed and we fight the sentient on lua(?) again with the Lotus we are not in the second dream

Can somebody explain this, or share the current theory if it isn't fully explained?

[chilly obsidian]

what are debt bonds?

[pale cedar]

Bonds of debt slaves

[chilly obsidian]

what happens when we purchase/hold them?

[pale cedar]

You get their debt

[chilly obsidian]

ooh, selling debt

[silk atlas]

Wdym we aren't in the second dream when we go back to Lua with Lotus?

[chilly obsidian]

now we need Tenno rating agencies that severely overestimate the probability of solari repaying their debt

[pine orchid]

thought it was interesting, got this and the other one from completing descendia normally once and in steel path once

[glacial bough]

Oh, now that's more soft confirmation that the Sentients attacked first

[tawdry dew]

Yo what is a warframe lowkey

[hollow siren]

The main quest "The Sacrifice" explains it

[tall echo]

How far in story is you

[tawdry dew]

Played the game but idk are they humans inside this thing

[tawdry dew]

Uhhh natah

[hollow siren]

too early then

[tall echo]

Keep playing

[tawdry dew]

Or machines

[hollow siren]

.

[tawdry dew]

😭 ugh fine

[tall echo]

I assure you most questions get answered later

[tawdry dew]

Alr thanks

[frosty cargo]

We attack Erra with our void powers

[silk atlas]

Oh, in the quest Erra.
Yeah I dunno and no one has bothered to think about that because who remembers that quest lol.

[frosty cargo]

DE prob too lol

[pine orchid]

I just realized, can we not replay the Old Peace quest rn? qwq

[hollow siren]

not atm, no

[pine orchid]

nauuurrrr

I wanted to go back and see all the details again, as well that my partner and friend told me in the beginning sequence where Daklo calls Adis void-lugger there was Adis' name in the subtitle but it didn't appear for me

[tall echo]

Quests are almost never replayable right away

[pine orchid]

well, good thing I recorded my playthrough then ig :p

[mystic mortar]

In the end of the old peace screen it says "A long forgotten promise is remembered" what is that referring to ?

[hollow siren]

"My light goes with you now. Always."
"Let's not lose the we, too?" "Never"

[proper barn]

Wait you haven't done the second dream yet?

Do that.

[viscid aspen]

Anyone else notice our Operator's tauron student codename is M4-A, as in Mara, what she's called in the files and what Wally calls us (Mara Lohk, Void Demon/Child)

[ebon wedge]

Do you guys have some idea of what he is saying here?

[hollow siren]

sadly we do not know Sentient speech atm

[pine orchid]

that's Void tongue

[hollow siren]

oh right

Had a brainfart and thought it was that other line

[pine orchid]

AIO-UN is unknown atm, but otherwise
IVBOK - submit
KARIS - un-light (from Ris - Light)
MARA - no definitive translation, but ppl theorize it may be Child/Demon/Devil/Being
LOHK - void

MARA LOHK generally refers to the Operator

wait until another post for Sentient language theorizin pops up in the forum Xd

we already have one for Void Tongue

[hollow siren]

Ironclad seems to be Sentient speech Lullaby too, maybe the "original" language for it

[pine orchid]

ye, no official lyrics yet afaik but ppl will find a way to strip the audio and try to transcribe the sounds and I'm looking forward to it

[hollow siren]

We have also just not heard enough Sentient speech to have a good grasp of how it "should" sound, unlike Voidtongue where we have a more general understanding even beyond the actual translations

[pine orchid]

yeah what little we do have of sentient speech so far is from Adis, Amar, and prooobably the new mods?

meanwhile with void-tongue, there's this amazing sheet that's compiled everything we do know so far XD
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-CamWXzwbedVzG_Wn_VzIFjdukk0wkqAP-QL2I2Y_38/edit?usp=sharing

[ebon wedge]

Maybe AIO-UN is "to the"?

[pine orchid]

that's one possiblity I'm considering yeah

[ebon wedge]

Because it would sound like "Submit to the Darkness"

[pine orchid]

it's just that void-tongue doesn't necessarily strictly adhere to english sentence structure it seems

[cedar cedar]

Wait so, is what’s happening in the old peace stuff that actually happened? Cause when I was playing through it I thought it was like, ||the operator dreaming of like, what would have happened if the zariman actually made it to tau||

[hollow siren]

It's our old memories

[pine orchid]

yes! we're diving into our own memories kinda like the animus from assassins creed but not quite lmao

[hollow siren]

The Zariman did not reach Tau, but the Sentients did

the Sentients built one end of a Solar Rail, the other end being in the Origin System

Hunhow destroyed the Origin System's end near the end of the Old War

[pine orchid]

there's also the million pylons needed to connect the two along the way

[hollow siren]

yep, formed by parts from Sentients that died along rhe way

"First you serve as slave. Then you serve as parts."

[pine orchid]

Cast and cry, cast and cry! Raise the million pylons high! 😔

[cedar cedar]

Okay so wait, even though the zariman never made it to tau, the operator did go there before the old war

[pine orchid]

yes

we got lost in void for a bit, came out, got drafted as child soldiers, and went to Tau

[hollow siren]

During the Old War. The Old War was a long time-period of recurring conflicts. The Old Peace was a temporary truce during that

[smoky solstice]

wait guys, idk if it was obvious to you all, but xenoflora HAS to be wally-related, no?

it's a plant that makes something sentient that wasn't sentient before

same as with the cavia

[cedar cedar]

Ahhh

[smoky solstice]

the plants had to be created by wally

[silk atlas]

Ceasefires are a thing in war. Old War was on hold at this time while they negotiated peace.

[pine orchid]

oh yes right, there's old war and old war pt 2 electric boogaloo
old peace is in the middle

[pine orchid]

I think that's an interesting theory for it, since they're blue like the void too

[smoky solstice]

that's right yeah, although it's a little weird overall

[smoky solstice]

WAIT it also makes sense why adis seemingly adds to our operator powers too by like embedding himself in us

[pine orchid]

I think the only issue with the theory is that it's generally known that Sentients are weak to Void

so the flowers being Void related seems... like the opposite, I suppose?

[smoky solstice]

anyway, one thing I kinda wonder about, it seems like the plan was to get rid of the flowers and the sentients would turn aggressive, but why the hell do the sentients immediatley turn aggressive? I'm kinda assuming the propaganda message about the treaty being void is somewhat true here but I'm also assuming that the sentients did actually attack orokin troops because why else would they get rid of all the xenoflora in order to declare war again

[pine orchid]

my current theory is that the flowers are more like the archon shards with some sort of anti-entropic energy

[smoky solstice]

yeah but that's the post-old peace sentients, perhaps the xenoflora'd sentients were void touched and the ones after the xenoflora got killed off aren't and also have a weakness to it

[pine orchid]

I think form earlier discussions in this channel, the theory is that it's because they're still connected to Hunhow's hivemind
and we all know space grandpa at this point was very UN-chill

[smoky solstice]

and something about the xenoflora kinda gets around the void weakness

but yeah, that part would be kinda weird. I mean it could be that they partially retconned the void weakness, but if that were the case, I think that would be made obvious in the quest

[pine orchid]

I do have a theory of Adis at least being attuned to the void in some manner
though iirc the Sentients were built with the void weakness since before they left for Tau so they can't come back through the Solar Rails unscathed or smth

[smoky solstice]

yeah, like at the beginning of the quest after learning about the xenoflora, I was thinking like the xenoflora made the sentients divided and therefore allowed for a peace process, whereas without it they're all connected in their goal of war, and it seems like that assumption is correct assuming hunhow is just chilling in the background during this quest and the xenoflora being eradicated let him take control once again

[silk atlas]

They didn't, the treaty was called off and then the Grineer and Orokin immediately started blasting the Sentients after it was called off.

[smoky solstice]

yeah but then why is the xenoflora like a required part of the plan

[pine orchid]

I think they were just looking for an excuse

[smoky solstice]

ballas used us to 1. get rid of the xenoflora and 2. to have scapegoats for who actually sabotaged all the biomes in order to have a reason to get rid of us

[pine orchid]

like remember what Galastra said? Peace is not beholden to these machines?

[smoky solstice]

yeah but if the sentients didn't actually attack, there's no reason to get rid of the xenoflora, just attack and then say they attacked first

[pine orchid]

to me it reads like the Orokin were divided on whether to allow the Sentients to be their equal or not, so the whole plan was to 'prove' the 'savagery' of the Sentients

[silk atlas]

It's an excuse, Ballas was always going to fight the Sentients, but he stalled the vote and now is doing it to act like it wasn't his plan to destroy the flowers.

[smoky solstice]

it's not like the xenoflora gives them some sort of power, if anything they're more united in their war effort without it

[pine orchid]

and to do that, you need to get rid of the flora

[smoky solstice]

yeah but the only way that serves as proof is if the sentients revert to said "savagery"

which is why I'm thinking they did actually attack and that was the plan - get the xenoflora which in turn causes the sentinets to attack

[pine orchid]

since at the second Hunhullus fight we do get that annoucnement right? smth about the repeated offences of the Sentient and Tenno, and thus peace treaty is null and void

[pine orchid]

they kinda did though, with the Daccolyst fight

it's not of their own volition, and we know that
but yknow... propaganda and all

[smoky solstice]

we get told that 1. the sentients started attacking the orokin, which is grounds to declare the treaty null and void and 2. that a tenno operative and a sentient were responsible for some sort of "sabotage" and that they need to be presented to the orokin dead or alive

so the sabotage of the flowers isn't the reason for war, alleged sentient attacks are

and the sabotage is just the excuse to kill us off

[pine orchid]

sabotage of the flowers seem to be required to incite the sentients to attack too though

[smoky solstice]

yeah, but what I'm saying is that they did actually attack

[pine orchid]

smth about without the flowers they crave for orders

I need to look again, but I assumed the attack on the orokin was referring to like... the defense mission we did

[smoky solstice]

which is what seems to be the argument here, like I understand the reasons for the attacks, but what I'm saying is that it's technically not all a lie and the orokin didn't just open fire on nothing, the whole plan was 1. get rid of the xenoflora, 2. that causes the sentients to lose sentience and to return to a hivemind, which would make them aggressive again, which 3. lets the orokin declare the treaty void and return to war

[pine orchid]

because there was a hacked Sentient there attacking the Orokin palanquin

[wise quiver]

The flowers made them individuals and freed them from their hive-mind accoring to Adis. Without the flowers they revert to a desire to be commanded, and if they aren't given commands they then return to the hive mind.

[pine orchid]

well yes, I think so
but it doesn't erase the fact that the treaty was sabotaged by the orokin (specifically Ballass and the other Executor) to begin with

[smoky solstice]

oh of course, I'm not arguing that

this is just a sequence that was a bit confusing to me, which is why I'm trying to just kinda lay it all out

because I was thinking about like why did the orokin sabotage the flowers

[glass flume]

would it be crazy to have a sentient syndicate with itzam (who maybe survived the attack) as the leader when we get to tau

[pine orchid]

yeah, does it seem clearer now though? I thought it was clear the sabotage of flowers was to incite war again, because with it the Sentient are actually wanting peace

[white cargo]

the flowers granted them individuality, which then caused them to no longer want war. the orokin want war so they can get rid of the sentients and control tau

[smoky solstice]

but also, assuming that the xenoflora-wally relation is a thing, I also have no idea what that means for the plot except maybe that wally could've put this sequence of events in motion? but the only reason I can think of that it would want to is for margulis to rebel against the orokin, which would be a good reason for wally to do that, it just feels a bit convoluted

[pine orchid]

I really wish they expanded on the Orokin side of things more, because I do feel like the reason they had to do smth like this to begin with was because probably most of the Seven are either sympathetic to the Sentients or indifferent, whereas Ballas wanted total control

[smoky solstice]

like wally makes the flowers -> they make the sentients sentient -> the orokin get into peace negotiations because the sentients turn sentient -> the orokin subsequently betray these negotiations and go back to war -> our tenno is accused of treason in the process of all this and is used to put the plan into effect -> margulis doesn't let us go and is therefore executed -> we execute the orokin because they executed margulis
like I can see why wally would want this, but idk if it's been shown as the kind of being who would be able to predict all this would happen

[pine orchid]

Wally likes to incite chaos, like he did with the Zariman so I wouldn't be surprised if he did have a hand in the War and the reason is just "for shits and giggles"

[wise quiver]

Like, we know the orokin are capable of 'peace' with some factions, case in point Parvos Granum.

[pine orchid]

Wally made the adults in Zariman go insane apparently because he just wanted to see what would happen, see if the children would eat their parents like spiders or smth like that

I think it was in one of the KIM messages idr

[smoky solstice]

who would have that kind of information?

eleanor? I don't think I remember her saying that

[pine orchid]

Drifter, I feel like it was one of the possible things you could say

possibly to Arthur or Quincy

but I might be mistaken I should be sleeping rn Im not opening stuff to double check sorry

[silk atlas]

We don't know why Wally went and did all that besides forcing the Tenno to make the deal for whatever.

[pine orchid]

well... maybe I'll open it quickly to double check then 🤔

I feel like it was something I read

[pale cedar]

You probably Reddit

[smoky solstice]

I was only asking because it could either be 1. the drifter doesn't actually know and is kinda guessing or 2. wally just lying

[silk atlas]

And it's not like Wally tells us why he's doing it so Drifter is only making blind guesses as to the motive

[pine orchid]

that is true

[pale cedar]

Wally does what he wants when he wants for whatever reason he wants and doesn’t say

[wise quiver]

We also, admittedly, don't know the scope of wallies control

Keep in mind the Heart of Deimos which links the void to our reality

Does that limit wally to our origin system? or can they reach out across all the galaxy?

[pine orchid]

well... I opened my Kim messenger and was greeted by Roathe (and was like who tf is Petros)

[fast dew]

Reminder to spoiler shit maybe

[pine orchid]

sorry, I didn't think it was necessary since the channel itself is already filled with spoilers

[fast dew]

Nawh no worries, thats just what #spoiler-chat is for

[pine orchid]

here you go, Roathe day 2 I just got

[stiff beacon]

Have you not finished ranking up that syndicate?

[pine orchid]

you mean the syndicate that literally just released yesterday?? 🤣

[stiff beacon]

No the entrati family

[pine orchid]

I did, I think

but I never knew his previous name

[stiff beacon]

Cause the dialouge is slightly different

[pine orchid]

I know him as Vilcor

[stiff beacon]

Weird

The screen shot doesn't acknowledge the name change

[pine orchid]

ah I never got to 5, so I havent got our name yet

but hey now you know, I forgot I'm only at 4

[daring wave]

I looked again at the screen of the quest the old peace and i saw it said the finale lap soon be here or something to those words you think the story about to be over ?

And if so what will be after loke game over that's it or something new

[pine orchid]

I assumed "final leap" meant either to the past (like leap into our memory, like say about the night of the naga drums) or to tau

[proper barn]

No lmao. The tau update is out "next year" and the final leap just means tk get to tau. I feel like we have like 2-3 updates before we got to tau.

Maybe more.

We might even have a Solar Rail Rebuilding event.

[stiff beacon]

Yea "next year" could literally mean January - next December

[proper barn]

Yeah.

I'm thinking DECEMBER.

[stiff beacon]

It's a good bet

[proper barn]

DECEMBER and maybe DELAYED till next year.

[stiff beacon]

Given de's track record

[pine orchid]

you are right that the KIM message I could find was about what he did and not exactly why
I swear there was smth more about what happened in the Zariman in the game (like one that I feel like I remmeber choosing what we did to our parents) but I'm not remembering where it all is

[copper mountain]

That would be because the family all get new names that they give each other as you rank up, but those new names are known only between the family and yourself.

We never learned the original names that they lost to the infestation except Mother’s (Euleria) from The New War and Grandmother’s (Dagath) from the lore in Dagath’s hollow. Now we get Father’s OG name.

[daring wave]

I wish i want to see that night so badly

[daring wave]

Lol good i don't want to story to be over

[silk atlas]

Why would they stop? They'll just make more stuff after this "arc" is done

[jaunty geyser]

help me guys to understand. The margulis we are taking to in the old peace quest is actual margulis right before she were killed right?

[silk atlas]

Yes

[jaunty geyser]

So why shes telling us she will put us to sleep on lua? I thought it was Natah as Lotus who put us to sleep there

After the rebelion and after the war

Or is it that the "Dream" she was talking about is a different dream, apart from first and second dram

[hollow siren]

First dream was by Margulis, Second dream was by Lotus

[jaunty geyser]

Yeah mb forgot the first dream was by Margulis

[ashen pulsar]

like a return to narmer

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[strange turtle]

Nous (UK: /naʊs/,[1] US: /nuːs/), from Ancient Greek: νοῦς, is a concept from classical philosophy, sometimes equated to intellect or intelligence, for the faculty of the human mind necessary for understanding what is true or real.[2]

[drifting narwhal]

Did yall know about this

[strange turtle]

Lmfao

[drifting narwhal]

I didn't even see anything about it lmao

[gray heron]

what are the ghost players in the quest about?/

[copper mountain]

Margulis initially put the Tenno to sleep in somatic pods because it kept the "voices" (Man in the Wall) quiet. All the pods were stored in a secret chamber on Lua called the Reservoir; we briefly see this chamber in The Predule to War: Erra. Our Tenno remained in that chamber until the events of The Second Dream, when we evacuate to our orbiter.

After she orchestrated the fall of the Orokin, the Lotus kept the Tenno in their pods and pulled Lua into the void to further safeguard the Reservoir. She then put the Warframes themselves into a 1000+ year stasis.

She has a relevant quote near the end of The Second Dream that explains this a little.

"The Orokin murdered Margulis - used her work to create 'Transference'. Your mind - projected into a surrogate, strong enough to withstand your power. It felt like waking up, but it was just a lucid - second dream." - Lotus, The Second Dream

Note that the first part of this line is incorrect, as most of The War Within is about learning that Transference is something the Tenno could always do and that Margulis' research was actually designed to suppress their powers (and thus keep the voices out).

[jaunty geyser]

Thanks man

[pale cedar]

Ghost players?

[gray heron]

the are like the blue warframes in the quest, they say like aid others

[waxen mesa]

so is Uriel a temple scenario?

like the uriel we see in old peace is roathe?

[fast dew]

IMPORTANT INFORMATION CHAT

WE CAN PET KALYMOS

[gray heron]

im so confused about this quest

[waxen mesa]

You can also hug the cavia

[fast dew]

We can only hug the cavia after max ranking them

[waxen mesa]

Yes

[hollow siren]

No. As Roathe himself puts it, when they started turning his soldiers into Warframes, every one of them somehow became a Uriel, including the ones trained later on

Albrecht seems to have proto'd Roathe later on, against Roathe's will

hard to say much more rn since KIM chats will have a lot

[ashen pulsar]

nope. roathe got protoframed later on. He was there to watch uriel prime happen tho

[hollow siren]

yeah this is the shortest irl time ever between a frame's release and their Prime being mentioned

Can't really be beaten ever too since the time is technically 0 seconds

[ashen pulsar]

his soldiers were turned into uriels cuz it worked and he’s an orokin so he didn’t gaf

[fast dew]

Literally did ||a driveby kidnapping lol||

||Like drove past him and got his ass 💔||

[hollow siren]

and Roathe is like "That was super rude but it did save me from the Tenno massacre"

[waxen mesa]

And follow up question. It's roathe anyone special or just an orokin who found out

[fast dew]

He was super special

||second hand to an executor.||

[ashen pulsar]

he was an executor’s sidekick

[waxen mesa]

Super you say

[hollow siren]

||the direct lackey of Nitokh, the Seven secretly in charge of the separatists||

Gave himself the title "The Devil of Tau"

[fast dew]

Feels like a worse loid/Albrecht situation ngl

[hollow siren]

500 toxic master x servant fanfics coming up

[fast dew]

Don't count on it.

[dire mountain]

I see it as roathe was just being used

[ashen pulsar]

real nitokh quote: “I’m bored roathe. Let’s kill the other orokin and take control”

[dire mountain]

Albrecht does at least care about loid more than being a means to an end

[ashen pulsar]

I don’t think she was very nice

[fast dew]

Trust me don't count on it. Alloid fanfics aren't even there yet and its been almost 2 years

[ashen pulsar]

it was something like that my words might be a little misplaced

[fast dew]

I think he does for a lot of people, he just can't show it.

[fast dew]

To show he cares is to allow the indifference to hurt others (and himself but yk)

[ashen pulsar]

if agreeing to it and sacrificing his soldiers to help counts as being used

[fast dew]

It be feeling like a coping mechanism to some degree

[hollow siren]

Albrecht is like Kujo Jotaro in more than just fashion

[fast dew]

One big allegory for trauma and coping mechanisms oh boy

[hollow siren]

What followed was an in-between of looney tunes and scary curse where every one of his soldiers became a Uriel as if cursed by Roathe's title

[dire mountain]

Albrecht cares about euleria and loid and kalymos. But yeah he can't show it really. Both because of putting a target on their backs but also I just don't think he has it in him to show it extensively. He cares enough to leave them and try to avoid the first issue. But by leaving them, he still hurts them nonetheless.

[drifting narwhal]

You think we actually gonna get loid to tell the family?

[dire mountain]

Yeah

He deserves it, at the very least

They deserve to know

[strange plinth]

i don't think roathe would walk in with that offer if it was going to go nowhere
but i think it'll take a while

[dire mountain]

Loid isnt completely alone down there but I cant imagine having the company of the cavia and the triad to be that great that he would never need anyone else

Like the cavia is great dont get me wrong

[hollow siren]

Cavia have also reverted now for some reason

we've lost Jahu

[dire mountain]

But they aren't the same as being able to see the family you aren't related to but very much a part of

[dire mountain]

Wasn't that because of the Indifference closing in

[drifting narwhal]

Yeah

[hollow siren]

probably yeah

[dire mountain]

We did beat it back so maybe they're normal again

[hollow siren]

They are when you revisit the Sanctum, but Loid also has the same dialogue about Lotus from before the quest so

who knows how much of it is just for gameplay purposes

[dire mountain]

True

[strong crypt]

Lyon asks Roathe why he talks to the Cavia so much and that is post-quest, so that must mean they have recovered

[dire mountain]

What does lyon say in return

[eager dragon]

Ok, so after having some time to think the quest through, I have one main question - does that revive part mean the Operator is immortal not due to Wally, but because of the Adis?

Because otherwise Adis' sacrifice would be nonsensical otherwise

There would be no need to heal the Operator if they were immortal, no?

[austere summit]

||Carnus are orokin tactical generals, basically. So he is very special||

[strong crypt]

Roathe is the one who talks to the Cavia. Anyway, he answers that they are the only source of intelligent conversation in the place.

[dire mountain]

Oh I misread that

It does make sense though

Roathe is orokin and the cavia are kinda culturally orokin simply by osmosis

[wise quiver]

that seems to be the implication.

[eager dragon]

Interesting then, what about the rest of the Tenno? Are they too, immortal? Or only the Chosen Operator?

Since Ballas seemed to refer to all Tenno as Devils, so it's interesting if the "cannot kill the devil" line is refering only to our Operator or too all of them.

Would explain how Rell died, though.

So it's probably only ours.

[pale cedar]

Ballas is an unreliable idiot

[wise quiver]

Near as I can tell, only us. It's the MMO syndrome of 'lots of players, but each are individually 'the chosen one' which DE sorta explains via lore via eternalism.

[eager dragon]

(As in could the immortality precipitate from the Chosen Operator to other Tenno due to void Shenanigans)

[pale cedar]

We aren’t immortal

Literally nothing in this game calls us immortal

Ballas is unreliable

Tenno can die

[wise quiver]

We were stabbed in the chest and kicked into hell and survived.

[austere summit]

Would we be seeing a lot more operators running around then once they start waking up? Having an army of undying soldiers to keep things in check would be a major treasure trove to sit on.

[pale cedar]

Because we were thrown into a loop

[wise quiver]

If we could die "normally" why the hek would Ballas go through all that just to toss us into the void hole

[pale cedar]

Because he’s stupid

[wise quiver]

Nah, he really isn't.

[pale cedar]

He really is

[austere summit]

He probably figured because of how tenno resurrection works, the operator would come back to life in the void hole with no way out, and only drifter's intervention saved the operator.

[pale cedar]

Ballas isn’t an expert on Tenno he’s an expert on making frames

[wise quiver]

He was beside margulis all this time, if nothing else he knows us our operator, the protagonist, and knows there is something off about us and how we don't die

[pale cedar]

DE confirmed he is an unreliable narrator

[wise quiver]

Which is fine, but you don't go through the effort of making a void hole and luring us to you to disable, kill, and then kick us into said void hole, a plan entirely for us, for no reason.

[pale cedar]

Being beside Margulis doesn’t mean much when you consider she never called us immortal or even suggested it

[strange turtle]

xx SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT xx

The Tenno's personal timeline has been disrupted. Knowing he cannot kill the Tenno, Ballas has opted to imprison them within their own history. The Tenno will be unable to escape this loop without the paradoxical intervention of an outside force.

Continuing to monitor.

[pale cedar]

That still isn’t using the word immortal

[wise quiver]

It's less about words more about perception and actions.

[pale cedar]

That’s just saying he’d lose

[wise quiver]

My guy

[pale cedar]

Ballas is physically weaker than a Tenno controlling a Warframe

So he’d lose any fight against a frame

[wise quiver]

He stabbed us, tossed us into a hole, and later ranted about "All these people obeying me means nothing if it's not them(referring to teh tenno)." during the time we are trapped in the time loop void hole.

[strange turtle]

Not physically weaker than a child without their warframe and stabbed through the chest with a giant sword

[wise quiver]

Even after 'killing us' he believed us to be alive still.

[pale cedar]

The loop prevented us dying if he left us on the floor we would be dead

[wise quiver]

My guy, I'm willing to go some leway here with 'gameplay vs lore' but with Adis' healing thing it's pretty much a done deal.

[pale cedar]

Adis healing us is proof we can die to wounds

[strange turtle]

The writing literally acknowledges that its just a thing that happened with the Operator and not something to do with the loop

[wise quiver]

After that, "my light goes with you now."

I.E. Adis literally gives us the ability to self heal.

[leaden parrot]

ok, so now that we know that the sentient gain independence when consuming the tau flowers and go berserk, seeking commands when deprived of it, then how is The Great and Terrible Hunhow still himself even after all this time?

[wise quiver]

Thiiiiiis

[leaden parrot]

and is Hunhow really that huge or just a headless hunhullus with a sentient still driving it because it forgot that it can leave the hunhullus?

[strange turtle]

“Last time a guy tried sticking me with a blade it didn’t go too well”

[pale cedar]

I mean

He did go smash up a side of a rail

Plus fought a war

[wise quiver]

It's not all sentients. The way it's been weirdly explained is you have Progenator Sentients, like Hunhow, who are massive and can bud off fragments to do things. The flowers are able to give these fragments A: Individuality and B: Freedom from their Progenators control/The Sentient Hive-mind.

[brazen seal]

I'm fairly convinced that ||adis is the one responsible for us being the chosen operator||

[wise quiver]

Not just that, our operator is the one that made the deal.

[pale cedar]

We’ve been the Chosen Operator since Wally chose us

[feral cape]

How are the tenno immortal

A Tenno possesses a degree of immortality via their Oro, a manifestation of their consciousness:

In the Conclave, Teshin tells us how our Oro is "the binding force for an enemy who, like the Tenno, can survive death." This enemy is the Sentients.

Eleanor, who can see all our memories, tells us she doesn't think we can die—at least, not permanently.

Albrecht Entrati mentions Oro, claiming "It was not necessary to explore queasy debates about the Oro; animal minds simply lacked the full distinction of a singular persona," meaning Oro is a quality possessed by any being with a "singular persona."

This aligns with real-world arguments about animal consciousness, suggesting that Oro is likely a form of consciousness itself.

The Sentients can persist after death by separating their consciousness, or Oro, into fragments, making the death of one fragment not affect the whole.

Eleanor compares the Void to a realm of souls. The Void is also the source of the Tenno's power, which allows them to do "impossible things."

The Drifter, in his conversation with Eleanor, states that "Tenno existence doesn't end when the physical body is destroyed," implying the Tenno utilize a metaphysical aspect to persist after death

Tenno can separate their Oro from their body, allowing them to persist after death and, presumably, rebuild or reform a body via unknown means, likely involving Void energy.

Drifter in a conversation with quincy says he's living proof consciousness persists beyond the body

Killing a Tenno would require the ability to crush their consciousness after death.

Because we cant die normally but still can die

[turbid vigil]

consciousness is an concept very difficult to describe

[turbid vigil]

it would likely being the tenno giving up

[white goblet]

So Margulis betrayed the sentients as well? or was it solely ballas? and if margulis did betray the sentients, why?

[main crane]

Margulis was a victim

Ballas altered the codes that Margulis gave to the Tenno

[white goblet]

ok ok thats what I thought

[austere summit]

I'd say the tenno aren't really immortal as much as undying. We can die, the problem is keeping us from coming back

[feral cape]

Yea unless its fiction and you get to decide what it is

Hence why its oro

[hollow crest]

Is it just me, or Operator and Drifter somehow can represent not only eternalism, but also the coexistence of Space and Time? Operator got all these teleportation powers, and can kinda become like a ghost, meanwhile Drifter can rewind time. I dunno, just a shower thought.

[bright temple]

i would say maybe if drifter didn't have all the same abilities otherwise

[hollow crest]

He kinda got them from the Operator tho.

[bright temple]

my point still stands

[hollow crest]

Would you change your point if the operator managed to use time powers in a later update?

[bright temple]

not really

and even then Drifter’s ability to manipulate time seems quite limited to just reseting timeloops

[brazen seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1433894606231175269.webp?size=48&animated=true

[dark compass]

Loop premiere

[gloomy wharf]

Is there even bananas or bread in warframe?

[north jolt]

So a random general question popped into my head

We know the helminth has some degree of control over what abilities Warframes have, and in game can even swap around certain abilities from frame to frame. But lore wise do you think this was actually utilized much in the past? Especially during the Orokin era

[lean garden]

like the swapping abilities around bit?

[north jolt]

Yeah

[lean garden]

Id say no, because the segment is not in your orbitor

and deimos phased out so its not like there was a steady stream of the segment

[north jolt]

Well the only time I think we actually see that is with the acolytes, who visually (except for the helms) resemble other frames like Limbo, Mesa, Frost etc but have abilities that none of the base version of those frames have. I don't know if that's for sure because of helminth but it makes me wonder

And of course Stalker resembling Excal but not having Excal abilities

[lean garden]

I think the critical thing here

especially with the existence of stalker as the leading example for the acos

is that theyre not copies of the frames we know

theyre their own thing

they might look similar here and there

but they definitely dont play the same

[north jolt]

Yeah, similar visuals but very different kits, least sorta. The Valkyr one ( Angst?) I think still has her claws but otherwise different ability set

[strange plinth]

is it possible that the acolytes are other low guardians?
would explain their devotion ig

[north jolt]

I think they are other low guardians personally

[wise quiver]

Keep in mind there were plenty of frames that 'didn't make the cut' as per Ivara's lore segment.

Plus there is what ever Xaku is.

[north jolt]

I was just about to say, maybe some of the low guardians are something like that. Not bad enough to scrap but not on par with like the prime vanguard or something

So they get put into lesser but still important roles

[wise quiver]

But also, wasn't stalkers whole thing...a punishment?

[north jolt]

And maybe the Orokin experimented with their kit loadouts more then with baseline Warframes that we are familiar with and use

[north jolt]

Basically yeah

[strange plinth]

he was turned into a warframe as punishment for his relationship w/ jade

[wise quiver]

So it would make sense for them to just give him some scrap abilities from other frames.

Rather than devise a whole new frame for him.

That would also explain his appearance being so similar to excal, the posterboi

[fast dew]

Yeah. DE being lazy

[north jolt]

Cause normal Warframes were definitely designed with certain consistent themes in mind by the Orokin, an eye for thematics and all that. But the low guardians are kinda just a half hazard slap dash of whatever, long as it works

[wise quiver]

Keep in mind Stalker was made way long ago, I donno if I'd call it lazy more like clever asset reuse.

[fast dew]

....still lazy ngl

But they did keep the theme up

[north jolt]

Recycling

[strange plinth]

the other acolytes are also just a standard frame w/ the stalker helm
so they might be the same "rank", if we're going with that being important
which kinda ties into the "they're all low guardians" idea

[wise quiver]

I kinda legit wanna see more about the stalker and their whole situationship.

Them, the acolytes, the baby.

Like, are the acolytes with him still and are guarding the baby or are they like "Man, our boss hasn't been the same since he got the kid." and are off doing their own thing 'in his honor' or what ever?

[north jolt]

But the original question I did ask was if in the past ( Orokin era) was helminth ever used to swap around and experiment with Warframe abilities? Tbh I still don't know but I choose to believe at some point Ballas tried selling "Protea, but with gloom!" to Parvos who was like "...no"

[fast dew]

I think the most important part of the update is the fact we can now pet kalymos!

[north jolt]

That's cool and all

But I want big sentient doggo dangit

[wise quiver]

I don't see it being...something an individual would do, but I could see certain tenno getting the honor of being able to do this, as well as the infusion stuff.

The weekly buffs.

Archon shards are 100% new though.

[lean garden]

I really think no, since you had to get it from the family on deimos

[north jolt]

Yeah, if it did happen back then it was likely a very rare and special occasion when it did

[lean garden]

and I dont think they were functional enough to be so according to give you something like that

[north jolt]

Probably unlikely cause I'm sure the Orokin also wanted as much reliability and consistency within their arsenal as possible

IE no sending Proteas with gloom into the battlefield

[white goblet]

I'm wondering what the acolytes are. cause yeah theyre like umbra and stalker but

i feel its important to point out they seem... less well made? no theme jsut a mishmash of other abilities

[sudden monolith]

Does anyone think there’s any significance to adis basically singing castrato?

[fast dew]

All we know is that sentients have a connection to an alien species of flora and song seems to be important.

[drifting pivot]

I have a question how does religion work in the Warframe universe? how do they know terms like devil and angel?

Especially stuff as specific as specifically a devil with demons and a flame theme

Especially when it’s pretty common knowledge of God like figures so how would other religions ever have any power?

[lean garden]

because other religions can have the concepts of angels and demons

[lean garden]

what common knowledge?

[drifting pivot]

like the names

[lean garden]

every culture has a doug

[drifting pivot]

idk a guess the orokin are anchent history

[lean garden]

eh?

[drifting pivot]

[lean garden]

what god like figures?

the orokin?

[drifting pivot]

ig

they call the the sky men

[lean garden]

I mean yea religion of the orokin era held the Orokin at the top

roathe will tell you this

[drifting pivot]

idk it mosty a languge thing

[left peak]

Random question back in the orokin ear tenno were all granted a single warframe correct or was it like the game where they have a multitude of them?

[strange plinth]

i'd guess that they were assigned one during the orokin era, don't think there's a ton of proof in either direction tho

[drifting pivot]

Imagine they do something like the goats exam to figure out what they

[left peak]

Shoot.... I was hoping there was some lore that covers it as im trying to write a story for my tenno and I wanted to know if there was like a whole selection process or if it was just a randomly assigned thing

[strange plinth]

that just means you have the freedom to do whatever works best, really
or you can leave it vague if there's something that covers it later

[lean garden]

I think its more randomly assigned

no evidence for it but

[dark compass]

Have they really teased Wally's voice actor in that trailer

[lean garden]

I dont think so

but if werner is actually going to be his VA

lets just say Albrechts plan might work just yet

[hollow flare]

Old peace says that without the flowers the sentients hunger for orders and if none come then they return to hivemind

[lean garden]

very sentimental these sentients

[hollow flare]

Is there like a rank system that high enough ranked sentients aren't affected?

[hollow flare]

Autocorrect lol

[drifting narwhal]

Found this in the new video

[lean garden]

Im assuming that its the "hivemind" thats immune

[hollow flare]

Cuz Hunhow, Erra, Lotus don't seem to be bothered by it

[past halo]

Remind me who wins

[lean garden]

so that would be command types like hunhow erra lotus phraghasa

[brazen seal]

who knows what happens during the end of the old peace till the end of the old war

[lean garden]

the ones that have to be born before the sentients get sterilised by the void

[hollow flare]

Old peace comes after the old war doesn't it?

[lean garden]

well Natah definitely was born after the flowers were destroyed so

[strange plinth]

in the middle

[lean garden]

no its in the middle

[hollow flare]

Oh ok

[brazen seal]

but the old war also still lasted for atleast ages

FYI the old war lasted long enough for warframes to become popular to even be bodyguards and etc

and in the old peace we are still declared as a myth so .....

[lean garden]

thats uh

youre quite mistaken lol

[hollow flare]

Does praghasa have free will?

[dark compass]

What's with the eyes?

[brazen seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1193587956305379348.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[lean garden]

warframes were bodyguards for the ones who actually knew they existed

[strange plinth]

not in her current form
probably before the rail, yea

[drifting narwhal]

Wally

[dark compass]

Aren't his eyes usually pitch black

[lean garden]

they were for all intents and purposes myths to those who werent important enough to be near a warframe

so basically everyone but the orokin

[drifting narwhal]

Good point

[dark compass]

Something is super fishy with this trailer for sure

[strange plinth]

they've been sorta purple-y in a similar pattern before, though, iirc

[brazen seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/668047874394947584.webp?size=48&animated=true

fair enough

[hollow flare]

Almost

[drifting narwhal]

Never seen wallys eyes like that?

The one in the picture

[hollow flare]

Parvos got to place a custom order for his

[lilac aspen]

Basically “oooo scary ghost story” you tell other soldiers

Because yeah, it’s hard to believe one void child powered infected super soldier exists

[strange plinth]

and ballas despised him for it

[lean garden]

when the anarchs said I was a myth I walked out my warframe and said hi

[hollow flare]

Also before the quest I didn't know Ballas was one of the seven

[brazen seal]

well.....

[hollow flare]

I thought executor of the orokin meant he worked under them

[lilac aspen]

Bro I waited for them to finish and then just slow walked up

[hollow flare]

Like executing their will

[lean garden]

I mean technically hes executing the will of the Orokin Emperors

who are asleep at the wheel because the executors do whatever they want

[lilac aspen]

“Those guys don’t exist!”
“Allow me to introduce myself.”

[brazen seal]

next update the night of naga drumns
we pray

[hollow flare]

Ok so he isn't part of the seven then?

[brazen seal]

he is

[hollow flare]

But he isn't an emperor

[lean garden]

the Seven arent the emperors

[hollow flare]

So there's 7 executors?

[lean garden]

the Seven are the Seven Executors

[hollow flare]

I see

Didn't margulis get tried in front of the seven? So it was the executors?

[lean garden]

it was the executors

[strange plinth]

eyes are similar here, from tnw

[lean garden]

I dont see why margulis being tried infront of the Seven wouldnt make the Seven the Seven

[drifting narwhal]

I didn't remember that lmao 5 years went by quick

[hollow flare]

I thought since Ballas was kinda trying to defend her in front of the seven. Made me think there r 7 emperors

[lean garden]

he tried to convince her to recant

[brazen seal]

I wonder the diff with all the quests with wally showing up with our Op after this rework

[lean garden]

and then she didnt, so his hands were tied and he voted to execute her

[strange plinth]

even though one "no" vote would prevent an execution

[lean garden]

but there was a time where he would have burned the empire down to protect her

and in a way, he did

[brazen seal]

when bringing ballas back to stab him again

[hollow flare]

They can just UN veto it?

Snake ass man

[lean garden]

you need a unanimous vote to execute

[hollow flare]

I see

[wise quiver]

Oh god, the update to the faces would make all the older quests so different now...

WHELP

[brazen seal]

they already made a new emote LMAO

[drifting narwhal]

Just seen parvos and the elder queen in the video?

[strange plinth]

just seems to be a bunch of out-of-context shots from the main story

[drifting narwhal]

Imma keep looking for other stuff

[hollow flare]

Also how did the dax attack Ballas's carriage. Is it because it wasn't an attack on him directly, even then can he not just give them another order?

[fast dew]

||Guess who gave them that order||

[lean garden]

you see, the transport isnt an orokin

[strange plinth]

they can't harm the golden lords directly, but they can do other things

[pine orchid]

such as hack a Sentient to attack an Orokin 👀

[hollow flare]

Ye sure but they have to obey kuva no matter what. So he could in theory overwrite it

[stiff fable]

but then he's gotten involved

[prime mural]

What are golden curse pods that our VOID LUGGER friend mentioned?

[pine orchid]

damn hard r?

I do wonder if the golden curse pods are related to the reason the Sentients started rebelling in the first place

maybe they're for terraforming, and if they apparently release breathable air that's killing the flowers then maybe it's to make the atmosphere breathable?

[strange plinth]

they are called world-seeders

[stiff fable]

They're the original Zarimans

One through nine, the ones that weren't crewed

[lean garden]

well the world seeders were carried by one of them

I dont think all 1-9 were world seeders

[strange plinth]

the one we enter in the quest is 5-<something> iirc
could be the 5 series were world-seeders?

[lean garden]

5-ovo I think?

[strange plinth]

"Assault on the Zariman Five-Nine" is the mission title
but something like 'ovo' was involved, yea. looking for it

"...her followers within the world-seeders, the armored Zariman Ova of old."

[stiff fable]

Latinate word for egg, if there's any doubt

[fast dew]

I knew that cuz that's why they're called ovaries!

Female anatomy moment™

[tall echo]

Second try, guess who gave them the order :]

[dapper bloom]

DE really said "Lets get the actor with the W name to play the character with the W name"

[dark compass]

yeah i can see it

[dapper bloom]

i wish for a mini series, but my more realistic guess would be a live action short movie

[dark compass]

ehh

they did make some cool animated shorts

[dapper bloom]

i really wish to see more of him on warframe

[dark compass]

nothing stops from making one more

[dapper bloom]

i mean i'll take it

[fast dew]

Secret level episode maybe?

[dark compass]

would be a banger

they should hire Mr Beast again

[dapper bloom]

the core warframe plot from the side of the Indifference? sign me up!

[dark compass]

to play Nef Anyo

[dapper bloom]

we are gonna be so gaslight its crazy

[fast dew]

Ngl that's gonna be a lot of waiting

Wally wasn't too active before chains of harrow

[dapper bloom]

i mean for all we know it might have been already recorded

maybe we need more game content to make the narrated story make sense

[fast dew]

I mean, wally also refused to show up for literally anyone after the void incident

[dapper bloom]

assuming it even exists

[fast dew]

Wally or the void incident?

[dark compass]

i do hope this trailer is actually a tease for Wally's physical form VA

[fast dew]

Because Albrecht getting sandblasted by the void absolutely happened

[dapper bloom]

the recording session for a potential narrated story, im still hang up on what i said

[dark compass]

That wont be speaking voidtongue

[dapper bloom]

for all i understand of voidtongue it could be just german

[dark compass]

as someone who understands german

i should point out that german words are much longer

[dapper bloom]

true

and they smooch them together

[fast dew]

Void tongue has been translated a little

Its pretty simple ngl

[dapper bloom]

i had this app on my phone to practice tennobet speech, but it was years ago and i forgot already

[dire mountain]

Yeah it isnt the most complex

[dapper bloom]

pre-covid

[dire mountain]

The hardest part is the guessing game of words we don't know

[sweet wadi]

The Sentients seem much more fragile in the old peace. They went from highly adaptive to any damage to pretty mundane in terms of durability.

[dire mountain]

Oh and transcription

[fast dew]

Ive had worse fictional languages thrown at me

[dire mountain]

The consequences of the New War era

Sentients used to be actually intimidating but now theyre just pushovers

[fast dew]

Yeah, haven't had time to adapt to the others. Its like that.. whats the name. Super bacteria?

Its like a real worry

With antibiotics

[dapper bloom]

aren't all sentients on Sol part of Hunhow and Pragasa

[strange plinth]

fragments of hunhow, mostly

[dapper bloom]

which i just realize now its all Lotus' family and noone else

99% sentients we know are Natah's siblings i guess, except maybe Ropalolyst

[fast dew]

A lot of them are, i suppose.

[sweet wadi]

Follow up, how did we get to tau and back so casually?

[glacial bough]

They aren't and are

[fast dew]

Solar rail

[dire mountain]

Almost every sentient we know is related to Natah

[dapper bloom]

right

[fast dew]

The solar rail was completed

[dire mountain]

The archons afaik arent and neither is adis

[glacial bough]

Only 3 really

That still leaves...5 or 6 named ones that are separate

[dire mountain]

Tbh I only remembered the archons because of Amar

[fast dew]

Or the dumbass Archimedian i hate

[sweet wadi]

Hunhow was a farmer, not the father of sentients as a whole

[strange plinth]

in the quest, its a memory we're reliving
in the past, the sentients built a solar rail for the purpose of fast travel between the two. same way we move around the origin system, just a lot farther

[fast dew]

Why did we get his oculus instead of Loid's 💔

[dapper bloom]

yes archons and ropalolyst are "made" but isnt every sentient part of a bigger sentient? and the biggest sentients we know are Hunhow and Pragasa

[dire mountain]

Because he was awesome

[glacial bough]

He was, Hunhow was like the second Sentence made

[sweet wadi]

I get the memory part but then where is the solar rail now?

[fast dew]

Literally the stupidest decision ever

[strange plinth]

hunhow destroyed it in the second half of the old war

[fast dew]

Blown up.

[dire mountain]

💥

[glacial bough]

Praghasa is the grand originator

[fast dew]

Gone. Dead. No longer existing

[sweet wadi]

Ah

[dapper bloom]

what i mean is, there are no new sentients making their way to Sol, so every sentient here must be split from Pragasa and Hunhow, Lotus' parents

[sweet wadi]

Wait so every sentient comes from one common root?

[fast dew]

Yeah

The orokin made em all

[sweet wadi]

I thought the Orokin made a batch of them

And then they multiplied

[dapper bloom]

i will make a drawing to explain myself

[dire mountain]

Well that lineage and the unnammed Plains Sentient

Forgot about that one tbh

[strange plinth]

i don't think how many were sent to tau is ever specified

[fast dew]

Chances are that they multiplied once they got there

Meaning they didn't get through there by the void

[strange plinth]

and on the way

[dire mountain]

Yeah they took the long way

[sweet wadi]

Ok so why were Erra and Hunhow still self aware without the flower?

[dire mountain]

Good question!

Idk

DE give us new hunhow content please? I want to visit grandpa

[strange plinth]

could've developed individuality on their own
lots of time between the two

• lotus is still connected to hunhow (as of TSD at least), so a little bit of that hive is still active