lore-discussion

[fast dew]

Not necraloid, just Loid.

[rotund light]

But what’s what did Vinny mean by it not being a real name

[stiff fable]

I don't know, except presumably that it's not some mystical true name deal

[rotund light]

So not like fae law or am I missing orikin lore on names

[stiff fable]

She just survived an encounter with the Warframe headless horseman by giving it a name, which she no longer uses herself

[stiff fable]

As far as we know

[fast dew]

Shoulders
Looks at necraloid
No shoulders

[stiff fable]

Orokin DO have rune magic and alchemy, maybe true naming is A Thing somehow too

[strange plinth]

names hold power. dagath got into her situation because she named the horse
the family begins healing and they give each other names
grandmother lost hers, as her name was all she could give to dagath

[proper barn]

@rotund light Okay so. mothers old name and new name. are both REAL names for her. her new name is even more "REAL" cuz it's her current name.

[rotund light]

So it is kinda based on fae like how Oberon and Titania are based off it

[fast dew]

The concept of old ass loid carrying a whole kid on his spine

[stiff fable]

ehhhhhh

[fast dew]

Poor dude that shit hurts

[stiff fable]

It's more.... The Entrati family are naming each other to clarify their identities

The names have meanings that matter

[proper barn]

in lore you name things you Love. @rotund light and names have a lot of power. like you naming someone or something makes it more of a person.

[proper barn]

also this.

[stiff fable]

This is a spoiler, but Grandmother doesn't take a new name

[proper barn]

also true.

cuz she "knows who she is"

[stiff fable]

She's the only Entrati who doesn't need a new name, because she was secure in her identity already

[proper barn]

You even get given a name.

[rotund light]

Kinda figured since the dagath thing so it doesn’t act like you have control over a person rather they get power but is it political power or magic?

[proper barn]

not political.

you only name things you love.

[jade forge]

Presumably she stopped using the name Dagath so that the warframe didn't just come murder her for "retaking" the gift she gave it.

[proper barn]

Like that's what's said in the story the couple get mad at dagath cuz she named a horse when they wanted to be her only object of affection.

[rotund light]

So sentimental

[stiff fable]

Anyway, it's not a mystical thing (as far as we know) it's a human thing

[jade forge]

It's just Orokin culture

[proper barn]

Dagath "loses" her name cuz the Couple refuse to say it especially when she is a warframe.

[rotund light]

Ok, also seems like 90% of the frames have trauma

[proper barn]

yeah.

[stiff fable]

All of them

[jade forge]

100%

[pine orchid]

yeah basically

[proper barn]

100% of them do.

did you play the sacifice?

[jade forge]

Being a warframe is traumatic itself. And Ballas wasn't exactly taking normal people for the procedure.

[stiff fable]

The only one who MAYBE doesn't is Gara

[proper barn]

they literally say that in the sacrifice.

[pine orchid]

being turned into one is generally a traumatic experience

[stiff fable]

Because Gara (Prime?) volunteered

even knowing everything about the process

[rotund light]

Kinda wonder what happen to koumei and wisp cause i hear Marie was an amputee and the coven skin kinda shows it

[proper barn]

@rotund light have you played the sacrifice?

[stiff fable]

queen shit

they're caught up

[strange plinth]

"we took our best, volunteers or not, and polluted them with these cultivated reagents"
roughly the line might be a little off

[stiff fable]

They've said so like three times lol.

Except Jade. Go finish Jade.

[celest needle]

-# Gauss looks way too happy to have tauma

[stiff fable]

Gauss made a friend

[proper barn]

okay so in the sarcifice ballas literally says "They figured out how to look into a ulgy broken thing and take away it's pain" WHICH IS ABOUT ALL WARFRAMES AND WHY THEY LISTEN TO THE TENNO.

[rotund light]

I did, that’s why I thought warframes weren’t clones more rather that specific one was made by the person (ie Arther being excal and umbra was a father)

[stiff fable]

Warframes ARE clones. Of specific people.

[proper barn]

they are clones well copies

[stiff fable]

Umbra himself is technically a clone

[proper barn]

of a base warframe

[stiff fable]

Because Ballas atomizes him during the quest

[proper barn]

that went through trauma.

[stiff fable]

Then you rebuild him from those scraps

It's the Warframe of Theseus rules though

[jade forge]

Umbra is honestly a very weird case

And DE just doesn't really seem interested in explaining or exploring that

[proper barn]

the funniest part of the sarcifice to me that people don't always notice @rotund light is UMBRA WAS IN THE MOON UNTIL AFTER THE SECOND DREAM.

[stiff fable]

Since you rebuilt that specific Excalibur Warframe, it's is that specific Excalibur Warframe

[proper barn]

HE'S BEEN IN THE MOON FOR 1000 YEARS

[stiff fable]

it's because the trailer doesn't play in game

[proper barn]

HE GOES TO HIS OLD HOUSE iT"S GONE AND HE GETS BLASTED BY BALLAS

[stiff fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJFduGyIhZI

They need to put all the trailers in the game fr

[celest needle]

The ominous heartbeat monitor:

[stiff fable]

because SO SO SO SO SO SO MANY of them are actually important and lore relevant

[rotund light]

Yea I noticed it was on Lua

[stiff fable]

But yeah this and the Techrot Encore trailer

And the Kuva lich trailer cuz that was awesome

[jade forge]

Yeah Codas are so confusing if you haven't seen the trailer

[stiff fable]

WE LIVE NOT LONG

[pallid spoke]

That one is in the game.

[stiff fable]

Is it still in the game??

[celest needle]

The humble gregory emails:

[jade forge]

You can replay it.

[stiff fable]

I know the Sister of Parvos mail is

[jade forge]

I forget how but there's a way to replay the Kuva Lich intro

[celest needle]

also oh my god I LOVE the coda intro here

https://youtu.be/DtvZ_9SUfos?t=63

[celest needle]

Go into your messages and look for the worm queens message

[pallid spoke]

I'm pretty sure theres a button to replay the intro cinematic in the Codex.

[rotund light]

Idk the whole cloning thing kinda devalues the protos. My first thought was the frame template was as vague as a human outline and specific people make specific frames like Aurther being the only excal, Eleanor being only nyx

[stiff fable]

isn't that the scene that plays at the start of a Coda fight?

[jade forge]

No the protos are based on the existing templates for warframes.

[stiff fable]

they were described as batches from the start

[jade forge]

Those templates were created by exposing Helminth to people kind of as you describe

[stiff fable]

There were hundreds of Excaliburs

[jade forge]

But it wasn't just them personally they were modified and changed.

[stiff fable]

Maybe even thousands, long before the Tenno went to sleep and reawoke

[rotund light]

I guess but it still is a good hc

[stiff fable]

*was

[celest needle]

Hundreds of Excaliburs and somehow Litch took them all

[stiff fable]

Look the Lotus took out a lone from the Corpus.....

[rotund light]

Yea don’t put salt in the wound. You do realize I came from another fandom where they love angst for lore right?

[stiff fable]

And you would not believe the interest after a thousand years

[stiff fable]

No?

[jade forge]

I'm sure that's so traumatizing.

[rotund light]

Would they still remember the line because corpus didn’t form to what it is till after old war

[stiff fable]

Corpus are from the Old War

[rotund light]

Look at my name, should give a hint

[pine orchid]

ngl I'm excited for Old Peace to give us a look into what it was like at the height of Orokin power, I'm hoping for it to give us insight on how Orokin society worked, how the Tenno were used

[celest needle]

Call of Duty?

[stiff fable]

They formed because the war actually took so many resources that mercantilism could be useful

[rotund light]

Bingo, you get a cookie 🍪

[celest needle]

I feel so sorry for you

Seeing a franchise be beaten to death

[stiff fable]

....I think the last CoD game I played was

uh. Before Modern Warfare?

Not the remake, the original

[rotund light]

Eh got used to it after seeing a drag queen nik with price breakup ending in 💀. Our fandom is trying to cope…….but not in a good way

[stiff fable]

Ah, it's like Destiny fans, but not as bad

[rotund light]

I only look at zombie campaign I don’t really care for main one

[rotund light]

Destiny made a D2 mobile spinoff, it’s not going well….

[stiff fable]

I heard the mobile version was actually better than the main version??

[rotund light]

Netease is pulling a bungee

[stiff fable]

which is cuhrazy

[pallid spoke]

Same.

[celest needle]

Can't be as bad as the titanfall fandom

[stiff fable]

Also

Low bar.

[celest needle]

wait no I worded that wrong

[stiff fable]

The bar is in Descendia

[rotund light]

But the devs (net ease) are starting to act like bungie

[stiff fable]

as bad as what they got?

[rotund light]

I am scared to know

[celest needle]

Titanfall fans got Titanfall 3 shelved and replaced with Apex

[stiff fable]

Which is finding out a new one was happening because they announced it was cancelled

[celest needle]

that too

[stiff fable]

yyyyyyup

[rotund light]

Oh yea heard about that

[celest needle]

Apex isn't BAD BAD but for a fan of titanfall its like, pissed on Titanfall 2's story and basically cut all plot points for a post war world and streamlined the amazing movement into a battle royale which got more popular then Titanfall 2 ever did and now people associate titanfall things with Apex

Cool titans that defined the gameplay? Gone and now you get to play as normal characters without any of the wallrunning and fast momentum.
Those cool characters you know from the campaign? MIA except for 2 and one's an old man the other has amnesia
The entire war that defined the two games? Over and welcome to criminal gangs and syndicates

At least COD gets campaigns and keeps the COD brand 😭

[stiff fable]

well, except for Ghosts

[elfin nexus]

lore discussion but its COD

[stiff fable]

no one talks about Ghosts

[celest needle]

We already went through the lore discussion

Now its time for off topic

[strange plinth]

there's no more lore to discuss
its all solved /s

[celest needle]

...
1
day
left

[rotund light]

For clarification, devs aren’t fully listening to comunity about issues. They originally marketed it as gacha but somehow geared to to shooter looter and shafted the gacha people and several mechanics like daily energy and stuff isn’t great and needs rework. Content also takes like months to get new in compared to other gacha it’s once a month new lore that takes longer than an hour. Also revenue started tanking like after second month but the report it kinda biased

[strange turtle]

Also the thing with the girl getting powers from a titan battery
Like at least Valkyrie’s jetpack is kinda reasonable, why tf did they give someone a comic superhero backstory 😭

[stiff fable]

"Do you remember, Natah? That first day? How our father lifted you screaming from the manifold? How we sang?"

[celest needle]

Cut to ironmouse singing

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/images/DVeilMTwoInterception0330Pazuul_en.ogg?f696c

[rotund light]

Don’t get me started on the main campaign of bo7. It’s a slap in the face to its predecessor. Also ghosts lore I liked wish it had a sequel that was screwed over

[celest needle]

ERRA CAMEO HOPES

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-erra-sentient-gif-24461426

[stiff fable]

huh

HUH

HEY

https://wiki.warframe.com/images/DVeilNarSortiesPazuulTrans0660Pazuul_en.ogg?36e72

Is this religious propaganda or did Praghasa and Hunhow really make the Beasts

[rotund light]

Their collabs are getting weird btw we just had wwe and while earlier Nevis and buthead

[celest needle]

Yeah but at least you can ignore that one

[stiff fable]

see that wasn't even the Pazuul/Erra line I wanted to highlight

[rotund light]

Last time a campaign was ignored it was woven into main story line (chaos zombies)

[stiff fable]

"Bite my head clean off, Mother! That's where the good meat is! Suck the guts until the little legs kick, kick, kick!"

I still think Praghasa's awake

[celest needle]

Yeah but like

Titanfall is barely referenced in Apex and is just used for the "It happened but now its over and we're using it to contextualize our own lore"

[restive river]

Her being not as dead as we thought would be interesting

Iirc Lotus sorta restarted her so
Maybe something can be done for her?

[stiff fable]

I don't think we want that

Because she's the one who installed Pazuul in Erra

[twin wigeon]

what trailer?

[hollow siren]

We don't know how Pazuul fused to Erra, no?

wether Narmer adherents did it, Praghasa or even Pazuul himself somehow

[stiff fable]

IF we're right about Praghasa being awake

BIG if

Then Erra's voiceline calling to his mother is about her dropping Pazuul on

[twin wigeon]

is it the one of the roundtable arriving?

[stiff fable]

The techrot encore trailer, yes

[twin wigeon]

does narmer have a purpose anymore? they seem like a small faction compared to like grineer and corpus

[stray gale]

they'll expand on pazuul Soon™

[celest needle]

They cause lots of problems for the Corpus and Grineer right now, but relatively background stuff

Tenno actively keeping them down along with Kah;

[hollow siren]

I suspect Tau 2026 will be Pazuul repairing the solar rail and going to Tau with Narmer

hence why he's been gathering resources and data in Archon Hunts

[stiff beacon]

sounds like a logical plan

even if he's bloody mental at this point

[celest needle]

How can we pin this on Ballas....

[stiff fable]

we don't need a reason just an excuse

[modest stream]

does anyone have a clip of Eleanor saying shes gonna snog the Helminth?

[fast dew]

Im sorry what

[hollow siren]

"If you don't pay attention to me soon I'm going to have to snog the Helminth"

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-orange-stewly-gif-14193106288143001787

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flash-camera-flashbang-gif-14820120581461492980

[stiff beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-bar-gif-4298875606784040546

[unborn token]

What can koumei actually do? Because it seems she is either the most powerfull Because she can control fate or she can just control strings and see nearby future.

[vital ether]

Solo 99% of fiction

[dark compass]

She is a pet rock

[frank galleon]

How did they get the kids off the zariman and back into the real world

[strange turtle]

The Zariman is the real world, and they got them off by finding the Zariman when it came back from the Void and then taking them off

[glass flume]

since flare will turn to temple and will come back just in time to help the tenno to kill the orokin, does it mean that flare/temple is the very first warframe ever?

[strange turtle]

Depends

[stiff beacon]

no

[dark compass]

By timeline placement, maybe

But solely due to time travel

Actual Temple strain was rejected, we don't know how old it is in comparison to others

[tall echo]

Strictly timeline wise yes, but chronoligically HAHA no

[stiff beacon]

besides timeline wise its still a bit iffy because eternalism

[tall echo]

Eternalism is irrelevant

[cinder tulip]

in that timeline/universe (of 1999) since entrati went there to create the frames himself then yes

[tall echo]

It's the direct past not an alt timeline or whatever

[dark compass]

It reaches us from even before radiation wars so it pretty much sits there even before other frames have been even conceived

Even before orokin

[cinder tulip]

yea eternalism is multiversal right?

[dark compass]

Before everything

[tall echo]

Wf eternalism is theoretically accessible multiverse

The theoretically part is very important there

[cinder tulip]

i should have listened properly during phasics class

[dark compass]

I loved that part of the game

[cinder tulip]

i forgot the definition of eternalism

[dark compass]

Oh yeah we have a complex in universe thing to explain

Let's literally make the player go through a class where it is laid out

[tall echo]

Everything is now

[dark compass]

[cinder tulip]

ahhh ok

[tall echo]

A thing that so far hasn't actually been relevant

[cinder tulip]

wait wasnt that presentism?

[tall echo]

No presentism is the normal theory of time

[cinder tulip]

ahh ok

i think the theory of quamtum immortality applies in here

you die but your consciousness flows to a universe where you dont

[tall echo]

Not really

[cinder tulip]

hmm but when i think about it thats in so many games where respawn is a feature lol

[dark compass]

You die but also don't

[tall echo]

Yeah that's a case of ludonarrative dissonance

Gameplay, no lore

[cinder tulip]

[tall echo]

Unless it's explicitly explained like borderlands

[dark compass]

Or dark souls

[tall echo]

Almost typo'd borlerdands, I'm running on little sleep

[lean garden]

Or even Destiny, except for when your raid team wipes lol

[rotund tinsel]

Schrodinger's cat but with extra steps

[ocean geyser]

Every timeline is real and theoretically accessible

It’s basically just multiverse theory but the idea of being able to reach another timeline is now slightly possible instead of not at all

[mystic mortar]

So about timelines... I still see to this day that old peace is supposed to be a different timeline caused by the events of wf 1999 is that true ? The whole old peace seems to be memories of tennos from the past, so it doesn't make it a different timeline. ?

[strange turtle]

Yes, people just got confused by something Loid said

Some people thought “polluted histories” meant like, literal other histories that had been altered or something ig

[north jolt]

People are kind of assuming it's a different time line for reasons Rodney mentioned plus the existence of eternalism in general. But for the most part there's not really any reason to assume that the past events we see in the quest didnt actually happen

[opaque zenith]

Also DE told in the official site that it's the actual past, so not much room for arguing

[opaque zenith]

Sharing the source JIC https://www.warframe.com/the-old-peace

[ocean geyser]

Warframe players using Eternalism for everything bro

[lean garden]

The whole old peace seems to be memories of tennos from the past, so it doesn't make it a different timeline
Thems your memories dude

[opaque zenith]

"Ma child, remembre that time you're died as revenant"

[frank galleon]

And then the zariman went back into the void on its own?

[opaque zenith]

Orokin general method of geting rid of problems is either: destroy it (Silvana) or trown it into the void (Kullervo).
So, the original ship either got sent to the void and came back or got destroyed and the curent ship is the Drifter's version
No official fixed lore iirc

[strange turtle]

The current ship is actually a bunch of different ones

Not like “the wreckage of different Zarimans fused together in the void” it straight up is just multiple Zariman 10-0s

Drifter casually drops it in an Eleanor KIM

[opaque zenith]

Yep, but that's one of the few times eternalism is actually used, that's why I said the Drifter's Zariman came back

[woven coyote]

Wake up everyone something is happening

https://www.warframe.com/the-old-peace/history-of-tau

[eager dragon]

I came to post the exact same thing, lol

[woven coyote]

Also the livestream

https://www.youtube.com/live/NHlDOLCMkrM?si=xN0xr4e9JA4Enbbx

[waxen mesa]

memories of tau?

or memories of war

[normal mountain]

Same difference?

Even during the Old Peace, we still fought

[waxen mesa]

whatever it is. i feel strongly that it's "memories of"

wait does memories not actually fit 😨

[lean garden]

fellas

#memories-of-tau

[waxen mesa]

lol

[dark compass]

No way, they're actually making an arg

[hollow siren]

not the first time they have

[stiff fable]

ahem

A H E M

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447639125032435834/1448011820576145608/SPOILER_image.png

Nihil isn't one of the Seven

Checkmate believers

[glacial bough]

Ah, thus confirms my own stance. Neat

[eager dragon]

Do we have any in game confirmation as to how many emperors there was?

[alpine venture]

also Ballas had a boss

someone he had to listen, somehow that is good

[eager dragon]

The wiki says seven, but the sources cited don't specify any concrete number, simply that there were several (due to the use of the plural)

[opaque zenith]

So 3 more 'prick slaughter' stories to the Leverian, nice

[raven urchin]

Question - Was Ballas one from the 7?

[glacial bough]

Yes, that's undisputed

[alpine venture]

7 as in 7 executors. Ballas is one of them unsure how many there were emperors above the seven.

[hollow siren]

He was one of the first we ever knew of

[glacial bough]

Ballas and Tuvul are the 2 that were confirmed and udisputed

[alpine venture]

I am unsure if we even heard of emperors before today

[hollow siren]

we did like once

[glacial bough]

The only thing that every mentioned Emperors was an old Prime shoulder armor

Targis Prime I think

[pale cedar]

Also mentioned in Stalker Codex

[raven urchin]

Thanks, just confirming it

[stiff beacon]

Well that and 2 others karishh and avantus

But aside from dying they haven't done much

[pale cedar]

That you know of

[stiff beacon]

Well yea

That's obvious

[pale cedar]

Ballas didn't even know other Orokin were alive

[stiff beacon]

Cause one Grendel eats the other is gunned down by grineer I believe

[pale cedar]

Avantus was shot by Veytok iirc

The 7 we just got told about missing Nihil possibly means he replaced someone on the list

Or they just misspelt his name

[glacial bough]

Karishh and Avantus were Executor, but nothings confirmed them as part of the Seven

Same with Nihil

[rare scarab]

what exactly does being an executor entail? is it tau related?

or we don’t know enough?

i dunno if executors was mentioned b4

[hollow siren]

They were

[rare scarab]

didn’t catch that ig

[hollow siren]

the actual word executor is one who sees through decisions/plans, usually from a higher command

executives etc.

[rare scarab]

so they commanded Orokin and made the sentients?

[hollow siren]

we know they were among the ruling group of Orokin society, yes

They held trials for greater criminals

[rare scarab]

we already know Ballas made em and the warframes for sure, didn’t know he was in a group to do this

[hollow siren]

"The Seven" are all Executors, but it's still not 100% clear if the title/role of Executor is exclusive to being one of the Seven

[rare scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/theseven-the-boys-gif-26214259

[stiff fable]

Oh dammit lol

[ocean geyser]

Actually it was a saw!
:3

[stiff fable]

I want to buy that Grineer a beer

[eternal sand]

Out of the proto frames, who has the best kissing technique

[dark compass]

Eleanor, but you wont survive it

[strange turtle]

Technique? No

At least half of those mfs go off pure, romance-writer-written character instinct

[dark compass]

the infestation takes over for that one

it has generations of technique

[fast dew]

Executors are always apart of the 7 wdym

[torpid tinsel]

Was the orokin having emperors known before

And that the 7 responded to them

[fast dew]

Emperors? That's just another name for the executors

[torpid tinsel]

The thing said that the 7 responded to the emperors

[fast dew]

Where was this, mind gettin a screenie?

[torpid tinsel]

Ill try

[torpid tinsel]

This

[fast dew]

Wait where the hell is nihil

Nihil was an executor

[torpid tinsel]

I dont think it was confirmed

It was just implied

[strange turtle]

Not even implied it was just never specified

There was one statement that he was one in Kim from the Drifter

[fast dew]

H16h V0l7463: when you get turned into a cephalon do you get to decide what parts stay and go? like who does that? who does the coding bit? how does all that WORK?

Drifter: Most times? It was Executor Nihil. The Glassmaker.

Idk guys that sounds pretty definitive 😭 apparently nora also identifies him as such?

[strange turtle]

But this is also years after and a one-off character

[fast dew]

Im literally nihil's only fan atp

[swift sentinel]

Sounds like you could be an Executor, but not one of Seven.

[fast dew]

Ehh..?

[swift sentinel]

Like different levels of Judge IRL

[fast dew]

The 7 and executors usually go hand in hand don't it?

[strange plinth]

usually, yea

[normal mountain]

Ah
Nihil is on the Court of Appeals
Not made it to the Supreme Court yet

[strange turtle]

Worse than an executioner, worse even than an Excruciator

[strange turtle]

A lot of people thought this was talking about Executor

But she was just talking about how he was this super boogeyman

[fast dew]

Well he kinda is

He was a very legitimate threat

[strange turtle]

Worse than an executioner, worse even than an Excruciator. When my tired ol' grandma didn't have time for my nonsense, Nihil was the bogeyman she said was gonna come put naughty Nora in a bottle.

[normal mountain]

Mind backing up a moment?
This mean "Excruciator" is an official Orokin position/title?
...
Who the Hek is responsible for that name?!

[swift sentinel]

With the new info, the Seven were the Executors that worked directly for the Emperors, and I guess Nihil represents the level below that, Executors that work for the Seven

[fast dew]

I hate everything.

[strange plinth]

drifter Would Know too
either executor is not unique to the seven, or there's been a mistake somewhere

[fast dew]

Drifter was literally raised in orokin society, of all people they'd know

[normal mountain]

Or, I'm considering this now
One of the Seven changed their name at some point

[strange plinth]

possibly, ig

[normal mountain]

bet that would be a No-Prize solution though

[strange plinth]

alright which one of them got deadnamed on the stream

[fast dew]

Chat they're called the seven executors, makes it sound like to be a executor means you're apart of the 7

[strange plinth]

yea, the title seems exclusive

[normal mountain]

My bet is on Nitokh

[fast dew]

That last one is interesting actually

Doesn't really align with the other naming patterns

[swift sentinel]

Just like on The Boys TV show, the existence of The Seven does not preclude more. Just that these are the most important

[dark compass]

is ballas homander

[fast dew]

Ehh

It kinda does when there's a set amount of people 😭 there's only 7 executors

[swift sentinel]

Sorry, not how it works

[normal mountain]

Ngl, I'm kinda used to this sort of thing
I have to deal with the Thirteen Primes, after all

[strange plinth]

not really, no
seems more.. guttural? than the rest. closest would probably be karishh

[fast dew]

Oh this is so real

[fast dew]

It is curious. It doesn't line up with like. any orokin naming patterns we've seen. Looks more like the language spoken at cetus

[glacial bough]

That was the popular belief before today, but there had been nothing that actually confirmed that. The only hard fact we had was two of the confirmed Seven were executors.

[fast dew]

We have iy confirmed by today lol

"The seven executors"

Its one in the same.

[strange turtle]

I think we had a debate on the like, wording of the actual specific names they’re referred to with a while back on the archives server

[glacial bough]

Yes, they confirmed the Seven were all Executors. That was never the question, it was if the known Executors were apart of the Seven

[fast dew]

... they are one in the same

The name "the seven" comes from the seven executors

[glacial bough]

They aren't, as confirmed with Nihil

[fast dew]

They are, confirmed by them calling it "the seven executors"

Nihil could've just been later or earlier

[glacial bough]

Yes, something that only happened today. They were only just the "the Seven" before hand

[fast dew]

Yeah and

[glacial bough]

And no, there no reason to think Nihil is some exception

[fast dew]

... one could've just died or was removed

[fast dew]

Nihil was breaking rules, he could've been removed

[strange turtle]

…he broke rules after

There was nobody to remove him

[proper barn]

He removed himself

Really

[normal mountain]

tbf, he could also have been removed for embarrassing himself with the whole Gara Prime incident

[proper barn]

Orokin love to break their own rules though.

Sentients is like proof of this come on.

[strange turtle]

Woah woah woah

That was a unanimous decision

It’s totally different and okay

[proper barn]

Uh huh

The dagath thing the Ballas dating Margulis. Ballas just doing almost anything tbh.

[strange turtle]

The Dagath thing was secret

[normal mountain]

And also the couple had so much prestige that no one would even think of outing them

Ballas and Margulis, undoubtedly the same

[strange turtle]

Archimedean’s were presumably a quite high up group, we’ve only seen actual rules for relationships when it comes to Dax (their warrior caste) and it was an Executor of the Seven, so even if there was an intercaste rule he could just rewrite it, as they were said to do

[cunning lake]

Hey guys i have a question:
What about the live in warframe's youtube channel? Whose names are the people who appear on screen?

Are they random players? Founders? Developers? Beta testers?

[dark compass]

Maybe people who finished tests?

And their result

[strange turtle]

Is it the names like Sunny and stuff?

Those are presumably more Tenno NPCs

NPCs as in, the literal meaning of the acronym, like those named kids from the Zariman flashback

[sick nebula]

I'm pretty sure the names are actual players.

I don't think the writers would pick names like "KingTempest06"

[strange turtle]

Ah

Most of the screenshots I saw were normal names

I thought something was off when there was a guy called Thunder

[outer snow]

Thunder was a Tenno.

[lone plaza]

Sorry what now

[stiff fable]

Yup

[proper barn]

What do you mean?

[eager briar]

The syndicates

[proper barn]

If you mean the syndicates the relays are controlled by the Tenno But also none of the ones that hate each other are beside each other.

Look at who they are beside they either like or don't care about them.

[eager briar]

Ok I mean they’re in such short proximity

[strange plinth]

the relays are pretty much safe zones. everyone who is there isn't going to do much more than scowl at each other

[proper barn]

Should have said that but then that goes back to my first point.

[silk atlas]

Gameplay mechanic. They all, at worst, just tolerate each other enough to realize helping the Tenno would be good for everyone.

[stiff fable]

It's just hate mail

[dark compass]

On the topic of death squads

Everyone sends random garbage

New Loka though

[celest needle]

doing SP
teammate spawns new Loka Squad
Try to fight it
downed waiting to revive

[dark compass]

Death squad of ancient eximus

Wtf New Loka where did your genetic purity© ass get those

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[celest needle]

Red Veil can be super annoying in the right scenario

Getting 4 charger eximus on yo ass while fighting Corpus

[dark compass]

I'm more concerned by the fact that New Loka, a bunch of purity obsessed ecoterrorists who can't even consider Grineer as people, will send ancient infested on your ass

[steel compass]

What resources can we expect from Tau?

[dark compass]

Askaris Prime for tauron nodes

Pretty messed up

[steel compass]

and by that i mean, the Orokin were interested in Tau because they stripped the origin systems out of their natural resources at the time

[steel compass]

wait what?

[dark compass]

That explains why you fight warframes in Perita

[celest needle]

Didn't you see the devstream?

[lean garden]

I mean for the most part we're only in memory lane this update

[celest needle]

Look its called the greater good

[dark compass]

Tauron strike nodes, aside from focus, also use Askaris Prime as a resource

[steel compass]

nope, life didn't allow me unfortunately....

[dark compass]

We need literal brainworms for this

[steel compass]

you all think we might get a literal origin system² for Tau?

like a star chart ig

[dark compass]

Like in 1999?

If they do it it'd probably be something like 1999

[proper barn]

Not this update

[silk atlas]

Doubt. There's the mission dossier at best

[proper barn]

But actual TAU update

Maybe?

[dark compass]

I think that's what was asked

[steel compass]

More like a star chart full of new planets and stuff

[dark compass]

I don't think they'll make a whole stat chart size

[steel compass]

But yeah i can see why they wouldn't do it

[dark compass]

If its the scope of 1999 nodes

Or marginally larger

I can see them doing it

[steel compass]

probably, yeah

[silk atlas]

At most I imagine there being a couple tilesets that can be interchanged with different mission types rather than making like 7 nodes and that's that

[dark compass]

Yeah, tilesets with different bounties

The standard

[steel compass]

also i'm checking the warframe site for new stuff i haven't heard off

and what is this "tauron" school?

is it a new focus school?

[dark compass]

New nodes for each school

That are basically ults for operator

[silk atlas]

They mentioned a new School too

[dark compass]

Oh?

So much stuff tomorrow

Can't wait

[steel compass]

something along the lines of a "rediscovery of a focus school"

huh... the giant boss is called HUNhullus

Kinda reminds me of Hunhow's name

[lean garden]

not your fault but uh

the hunhullus is explicitly a Sentient weapon

and requires an actual Sentient to pilot it

[steel compass]

so actually more of a gundam/mech instead of a sentient itself

[lean garden]

I think its closer to a solo pilot jaeger?

theres some mind bridge thing involved

[dark compass]

It's like connecting your phone as a pc controller

[steel compass]

lmao

[steel compass]

sentient have their own transference confirmed?

[dark compass]

Sentients are easily split by parts

I imagine it's not hard for them to attach new ones

[steel compass]

That's fair

I wonder if they can make a new organ out of any material

also, this prime vanguard event, seems like DE is trying to facilitate the acquisition of primes via Aya.
Since we have so many primes now and only 2 per prime ressurgence rotation this is gonna be fun

[eager briar]

Yes, prime resurgence is in fact for us to be able to get primes

[fast dew]

Primary surgeons

[eager briar]

What are you on about?

[strange plinth]

Primary surgeons obv

[dark compass]

Prime sturgeons...

[celest needle]

welp

[ashen pulsar]

wrong chat?

[celest needle]

I come somewhat often

Also like
What kind of lore does this thing reveal?

[ashen pulsar]

you have to get to the end

tenno lore

[stiff fable]

Tenno has normal af names

Behold the mighty Tenno... Sunny.

[grave plaza]

I do have to say, I don't like how the Orokin are yet again portrayed as the cartoonishly evil villains in the prelude challenge. Like, if they were such a successful empire, there must have been at least something they did right. Constantly portraying them as evil makes them cartoonish and unbelievable.

A real life history example would be the Assyrian Empire. They were pretty screwed up in many places, but they obviously weren't all bad and mustache twirling.

[lean garden]

er

thats a "might makes right" kind of thinking

What they "did right" was by taking control

also, Ive only run the preludes once, what made you feel like the orokin were "cartoonishly evil"

because I didnt repeat it enough to remember

[strange plinth]

the thing at the end of the preludes is a fairly standard "we'll cover this bad thing up" as far as i'm concerned

[grave plaza]

That's oversimplifying it. Might makes right doesn't fully work for such a developed society. Examples being the Soviet Union or most such dictatorial regimes. They were all "might makes right", but it ultimately lead to collapse and falling behind everyone else, while the Orokin lasted for a considerable amount of time and developed incredible technology. No real life society could be that dysfunctional and last for that long.

[lean garden]

Oof, might wanna take a look at certain "imperial" forces active today

[stiff fable]

Was going to say

[grave plaza]

Not the prelude itself necessarily, but it adds up. Example being that every time they're mentioned, we just hear about how bad they were and absolutely nothing else.

[stiff fable]

That's the entire point though

[strange plinth]

that's. kinda their legacy. they got massacred for it

[stiff fable]

All the technology, all the beauty, all the culture isn't worth how terrible they were

[grave plaza]

I won't get into real life politics, but nothing irl comes even close to the dysfunctionality of the Orokin, with the exception of places like Somalia or North Korea

[stiff fable]

The collapse is genuinely better than continued Orokin rule

[lean garden]

nothing seems to mirror an empire lead by greedy oligarchs?

[strange plinth]

get at least seven immortal assholes in charge of a governing body and see how far they go. that's the orokin

[grave plaza]

My man, I'd rather live in Russia than the Orokin Empire, thank you very much

[grave plaza]

No no, that's fine, but if we just got a few nuanced Orokin characters, it would make it much better. You know, individuals that wanted to turn the sinking ship, but were too late

[stiff fable]

Grandmother

[grave plaza]

Adds to the layers of tragedy that we see in stuff like the Horus Heresy. I genuinely enjoy that type of writing

[stiff fable]

Though, the rest of the family is only good because the Infestation forced them to feel empathy for each other

[grave plaza]

Fair enough point, one character is better than nothing

[fast dew]

What

[lean garden]

I mean then you'd already know how plausible it is for an empire to be run "successfully" while dysfunctional

[fast dew]

No? The infestation (and maybe wally) made them hate each other, we the tenno made them get along 😭

[lean garden]

You just need to avoid events that damage your control and you can be as dysfunctional as you want (or until someone comes along and offs you)

[grave plaza]

To be fair, Russia has changed leadership and territory multiple times, it's a really messy history, with still some good individuals/tsars in the past. I'm just saying that we should see more morally nuanced figures in the Orokin Empire. Tragedy hits even harder when you know there was a glimmer of hope.

[winter geode]

im a lil confused about what the "big egg" is

[grave plaza]

Same

[lean garden]

terraforming device from what I can tell

[fast dew]

||Worldseeder. Seems to be a terraformer||

[dark compass]

they shouldve called it WorldEgger

[fast dew]

We have the entrati family

[strange plinth]

called a "world seeder" apparently
though idk what its doing in the prelude

[fast dew]

That's what they are.

[lean garden]

we really didn't get a proper description of the enemy in the prelude did we?

[winter geode]

so some other hunhow or praghasa level sentient that weve just never heard of or seen before?

[fast dew]

They are the different orokin who show care towards lower castes. They even buried the dead.

[lean garden]

sentient? nah its just a big device

[strange plinth]

structure more than sentient
they might've built it though

[grave plaza]

To be fair, they came off as more indifferent or self-interested

[fast dew]

Servants and possibly their old yuvans

[winter geode]

why would they need something else to terraform tau when that was their purpose

[strange plinth]

would using the world seeders to terraform tau not count?

[dark compass]

Which crafting material do you think tastes the best

Cetus fish doesn't count

[lean garden]

Why would the guy building my house not use a hammer

[winter geode]

is that not like getting hired to do taxes and then using part of your paycheck to pay someone else to do it?

[dark compass]

Sentients were slaves

I don't think they had anything to say

[strange plinth]

voidgel orb,,

[dark compass]

I mean they had but

[dark compass]

I can see your vision

The forbidden jelly

[winter geode]

my point is that they themselves were built for the purpose of terraforming if they needed a big not alive ship to terraform from they wouldve built that instead

[lean garden]

no, its like getting hired to do taxes and then using your computer instead of your hand

[fast dew]

Indifferent to us maybe but their actions as unit changes that.

They buried their servants in the ossuaries they had, Albrecht is in a relationship with a regular person who he views as above him (a "god" sees a person as above them), the entrati family sees us (a regular human) as family as well, Grandmother gave her name to a warframe (which orokin viewed as objects so like wow)

Overall they're pretty decent

[strange plinth]

so if they figure out how to make a tool that's better at it, they shouldn't?
another part of their development is adaptation.

[fast dew]

Meant to reply to this mb

[dark compass]

I think the idea is that the egg is some sort of biological substance carried to enable the process. Meanwhile Sentients are machines meant to propagate and sustain it. Like it's literally called World seeder. It carries seeds of life

[lean garden]

plus it makes those metal flowers die

[winter geode]

but they wouldnt have been assigned the task without sufficient tools to complete the task efficiently which in this case is a computer

theyre adding a middle man

[grave plaza]

No worries, but yeah, they're fine individuals by Orokin standards. A shame they weren't higher standing

[dark compass]

It's terraforming, you're supposed to bring an ecosystem there, not a bunch of robots

[lean garden]

why is the assumption here that the worldseeder isnt a tool from the Sentients

[lean garden]

technically you can blame albrecht for that

hard to be higher standing when your family legacy is defined by "weird guy in a cave"

[grave plaza]

That's true lol

[strange plinth]

'he did that really cool and useful thing the one time but he's been very weird since'

[dark compass]

Relatable

I'm just like him

I used to make custom stages for MUGEN that now a lot of people use in their modpacks

And now I'm non-binary

[strange plinth]

real

[winter geode]

ok anyway what about the gas that they mentioned that seems important

[dark compass]

Effevron jumpscare

[lean garden]

the radiation is the important part

the gas just seems like a usual "warcrime chem weapon the area please and thanks"

[dark compass]

Idk, but it'll probably be a part of the quest

The gas thing I mean

And the radiation too

Seems like a worthwhile ground for an area gimmick

[fast dew]

They are of high standing wdym

The entrati family are one of the most influential orokin families like. Ever.

[dark compass]

Would be funny if it's straight up just effevron that turns out orokin have been using to this day

[keen latch]

I figure if the Hex and drifter really cared to figure out exactly how far apart they are in time they could measure stellar drift.

[strange plinth]

i'm tentatively guessing the radiation is like kuva in some way?

[strange plinth]

kaya kinda has

[fast dew]

I thought they just thought he was insane? Burdened by the knowledge of the otherside type shit

And like. He must've been normal for a while

[dark compass]

Albrecht "horrors beyond comprehension" Entrati

[keen latch]

I'm surprised the powers of the drifter and their warframes haven't come up more.

[fast dew]

If ballas thought he was insane why would he give Albrecht those strains?

-# unless Albrecht went creature mode and stole em

[dark compass]

The coat is actually hiding all those strains

[keen latch]

The Entrati were a highly respected research house.

[dark compass]

And also arcane energize

[fast dew]

Yeah, cept the head went "insane". The same head who has those strains.

[strange plinth]

Albrecht "a reflection but with dimension" Entrati

[dark compass]

Albrecht "Old Men Yaoi" Entrati

[fast dew]

Albrecht "if i am to be a devil let me be a honest one" entrati

[keen latch]

You also have the deployment of the grey strain during the Old war. Which was used to deny Deimos to the sentients. Which means that they also had other infestation strains around.

[fast dew]

That doesn't matter. Helminth was specifically from ballas. Specifically the strains he had.

Albrecht had contact with ballas

[keen latch]

Oh no totally, but I'm saying, the Entrati were at the forefront of void research. Infestation interacting with the void is a big function of the warframes being infested puppets who channel the void.

[fast dew]

Well. Uh.

The infestation hates the void

[keen latch]

It does hate the void, but the warframes are conduits for said void energy.

[fast dew]

Its a shock the helminth even works with it

Yes i know

[winter geode]

if efervon had some weird interaction with transference the drifter would definitely have noticed

[keen latch]

The Helmnith does know the Man in the Wall, as we see by the references to the Smiling One.

[dark compass]

Not talking about the radiation

I'm talking about the gas?

Those two seem completely unrelated

Like the weird radiation was found and they gassed the place

Would just be funny if they still used effevron ages later for their life bleaching duty

[winter geode]

i doubt theyre using the same poisonous gas for techrot and warframes

[keen latch]

Effervon seems to be incredibly corrosive.

It wouldn't surprise me if a good portion of it was just straight flourine.

[dark compass]

I mean they're both infestation

Wouldn't be too far off

Effevron still deals dmg to us

[winter geode]

i would also be curious to know if the thing that "sealed the operators within their warframes" is somehow related to rell

[keen latch]

To mix the universes a bit, I wonder how the infestation would interact with the flood from Halo.

They each seem to have deep metaphysical connections to their respective universes.

[dark compass]

They would kiss

Passionately

[pearl cedar]

https://www.twitch.tv/warframe/clip/AmazingEvilPlumberSquadGoals-zzkkEkJDBXKxXRAg

New lore bit

[strange plinth]

infestation changes molecules, i think it would probably subsume the flood to the best of its ability

[dark compass]

Xenoflora

Huh

[keen latch]

There is also the issue at a certain level of progression the flood infects basic reality and time too. However that works.

[strange plinth]

we got aliens in warframe, pack it up everyone /s

[keen latch]

Would be the first life forms not descended from or made by humanity or related groups.

Related groups being a catch-all for life native to the origin system.

[stiff fable]

Kinda! The exact phrasing actually allows for life to have been found on other planets in the Origin System, like the Venus mycelial network we know as the Undermind

[lean garden]

tbf Id classify that as non-alien life to Origin

[stiff fable]

Right, just thought the phrasing was interesting

[white goblet]

are the naga drums and octavias anthem different?

[dark compass]

Drums are the instrument

Anthem is the song she played on them

[gray wren]

they just, dropped the names of all 7 executors while also confirming the existence of the Emperors??????

[strange plinth]

seemingly
i'm not sure how we're supposed to take the 'emperors' bit though

[gray wren]

theyve been mentioned EXTREMELY rarely in odd bits of lore in the past

it was never clear if they were seperate from the executors or not

but this confirms that

[strange plinth]

yep
ballas's actions seem weirder if there was someone above him

[gray wren]

i dont see it as above. Obviously we know nothing about them but personally i see the Executors as the Legislative/Judicial branch of the Orokin empire, with the Emperors as the Executive Branch

[lean garden]

but uh, that naming convention is awkward lmao

because the executors arent part of the executive branch?

[proper barn]

Okay this is funny Cuz Lizzie (the Infested Guitar) talks about how She can see through time

And see all the Infested at once. Techrot to The current future.

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[stiff beacon]

assuming his boss's are hands on and not just letting the executors run shit in their stead

so considering we rarely hear of the emperors, according to tabvee, and that the excecutors have been generally upfront and center to most of the known desicion making of empire, it can be assumed the emperors have all the power but do little in the management of the empire

[glacial bough]

How so? He's still functionally one of the people in charge, and having a boss doesn't' change his narcissism or wanting the Orokin dead

[lean garden]

The Emperors really looking like stupid figureheads rn

[stiff beacon]

or like uncarring board members

[strange plinth]

he gets away with, and takes credit for, a lot that you'd think the emperors would have an issue with
unless they are entirely uncaring

[stiff beacon]

i do remember hearing something about the emperors being in cryopods or some shit years back

so

there's the possibilty they just don't know what hes been up to

[lean garden]

I dont think thats a thing

[stiff beacon]

Most likely not given I can't remember where I heard it from

[keen latch]

It could also be figurehead sovereigns.

[stiff fable]

I kinda figured that the executors had done away with the emperor and rules "in their name", Gondor-style

[keen latch]

Or the Emperor and the Shogunate.

[humble sierra]

Speaking of Executors, they were all name dropped

[celest needle]

Nihil fans in tatters

Man made Cephalons and wasn't even an executioner

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-witch-laugh-evil-laugh-snow-white-bye-gif-15709261

[strange plinth]

technically it just means he wasn't one of the Seven at that time
maybe he was earlier/later
drifter refers to him as an executor in kim chats

[twin wigeon]

he could be self proclaimed

[celest needle]

I hope we get to see some of the executoners that haven't been seen yet

only named

[dark compass]

7 executioners, 7 days a week

[twin wigeon]

no

[dark compass]

yes

[twin wigeon]

please don't

sortie style confrontation?

[strange plinth]

assuming that the statues we were seeing are of the seven, we've seen (likely) karishh, (likely) avantus, and another fem executor in that stream

[swift sentinel]

Also possibly different levels of Executors

[lean garden]

Also bear in mind an executioner and an executor are two different things

[celest needle]

guh

[lean garden]

imagine if we see a statue of nihil there LOL

[twin wigeon]

did drifter say executioner or executor?

[lean garden]

executor

[strange plinth]

executor

[twin wigeon]

oddity

[dark compass]

Executor is a furry from elden ring nightreign

idk what you are talking about

[strange plinth]

the statue farther down the corridor from the second fem executor kinda looks like nihil
but there's not remotely enough detail to tell, i don't think
not nihil. new image

[lean garden]

wait someone quick remind me which 6 warframes are the prime vanguard on tau?

[strange plinth]

caliban, mesa, ember
uhh

[lean garden]

is khora one of them?

[twin wigeon]

no?

[dark compass]

Protea Caliban Mesa Ash Ember Volt

[lean garden]

Hm

[twin wigeon]

chat commence aya grind now

[lean garden]

okay anyways the interactive preludes basically confirm that margulis is already dead by the time of the old peace

[strange plinth]

fine,,,

[twin wigeon]

varzia is apparently giving vanguard

[strange plinth]

it was practically confirmed already, but yea
more evidence for it
she has to be dead for the tenno to be weaponized, and they've been weapons for a bit

[twin wigeon]

mmm she could've helped them to channel their powers to support the schools of thinking/focus schools

to sort of train them to think and use their powers to help in the war

[celest needle]

Caliban Prime [but back]

[twin wigeon]

nah they'd likely extend his stay

[strange plinth]

caliban prime but i can buy the tauron suit because i have regal aya and not regular money

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-credit-card-debit-card-debit-gif-27376677

[lean garden]

not just that, khora is right there

[strange plinth]

oh yea

[lean garden]

like even if someone holds onto the idea that Marge didnt get executed before the tenno were used in the warframe project

[twin wigeon]

oh yeah um i gots a question for the "arg" (is this an arg idk) is there a map on the interactions to get each school?

[proper barn]

@strange plinth @lean garden

[lean garden]

khora definitely proves that she must die before the old peace

[proper barn]

Here you go.

[lean garden]

thanks

[celest needle]

Where from?

[dark compass]

"i made this warframe to commemorate getting catfished"

[proper barn]

Stream?

[lean garden]

I like how this prime vanguard isnt even all the primes we saw in the first trailer

[proper barn]

No? He says the prime is made cuz he misses her.

[dark compass]

its a JOKE

[lean garden]

and then he commemorates deliberately catfishing himself

[twin wigeon]

to simulate the master-beast relationship or smth

idr

[lean garden]

"heehee they dont know where I hid marge"

[twin wigeon]

marge

[celest needle]

The freakrokin

[twin wigeon]

the orokin*

[celest needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684050432565182477/1253199881506394164/cat-1-1.gif

[twin wigeon]

-# they're already golden FREAKS

[celest needle]

I'm including Varzia in this too since she's selling thee vanguard

[twin wigeon]

she a different kinda freak and she can't help it

[proper barn]

HEY she's a Dax.

[twin wigeon]

maroo kinda 😏

[proper barn]

Disaster bi.

[twin wigeon]

Disaster?

[proper barn]

Have you talked to her

[celest needle]

Does she realize she's talking to a child

[proper barn]

She's a hot mess.

[celest needle]

About wanting to do things to Teshin

[twin wigeon]

isn't she and teshin the only dax alive, or well now its just varzia

[celest needle]

yeah

Idk why more didn't go for the cryo strat

[proper barn]

Well teshin is still alive.

Just in duviri.

[twin wigeon]

i mean yeah but in our universe/reality he's gone

even then he's still a former shell of himself as he used to be

[stiff beacon]

you just gotta keep in mind the core philosophy of each school when choosing the actions

[twin wigeon]

ahhhh ok ty

ill grind it soon enough

[humble sierra]

Bet there'll be a guide soon enough

[bright temple]

it’s easy to put together that each answer corresponds to a school

but also each technically numbered option are all in a particular school

[humble sierra]

Yeah so you could just go 11111, 22222 etc

[bright temple]

For example option 3 is always zenurik

so on and so forth

[twin wigeon]

oh perf

[bright temple]

in just an hour of play i got all five eido lenses

[twin wigeon]

but whats up with the first selections of warframes

[bright temple]

🤷‍♀️

[strange plinth]

they're tied to the tenno in the glitches, i believe
don't think they impact anything though

[twin wigeon]

tenno in the glitches?

[jaunty oasis]

They’re tied to focus schools, probably serves as a tiebreaker selection

[restive river]

They might represent the 5 schools with the other 5 glitch tenno maybe being the vanguard? Some of their names could align but it may be a stretch

[strange plinth]

the glitches after each question, ||they have a quote from one of the team members||

[twin wigeon]

oh yeah 1 last thing: is this an arg?

if so, this is my first despite 8 years of playing :3

[jaunty oasis]

Rhino: Madurai
Ivara: Naramon
Wisp: Zenurik
Khorra: Unairu
Nekros: Vazarin

[restive river]

Kinda?

[restive river]

Rhino for Unairu

He’s the tank
That’s the tank school

[twin wigeon]

nah madu for rhino bc he's a dmg buffer

[strange plinth]

i had gone into it earlier in #spoiler-chat, i'll paste it here
Perch, both the name and what they talk about, lines up with ivara. huntress n all that. links to daikyu
Sunny would be linked to wisp through her 4th, and gunsen was tied to wisp for priming
Snapper has dual keres, khora's weapons
Ghast has reaper prime and also talks about dying lmao, obvious link to nekros
Thunder is.. weirder, kinda. silva & aegis isn't really tied to rhino, nor is thunder. though the quote is kinda related to rhino, i guess?
Captain pointed out that rhino would be tanking, so 'sword n board' fits that

[restive river]

Alternately he’s the only tank there?

[twin wigeon]

who are they?

perch, sunny, snapper, ghast, thunder, and captain?

am i missing smth?

[strange plinth]

captain is someone in this discord
the rest are part of the prelude, in the glitches

[twin wigeon]

mb

[jaunty oasis]

Friends of the truth sayer who left the secret. The fated ones that didn’t make it.

[twin wigeon]

wait prelude? ohhhhhh

[restive river]

I’m curios to see what the ||radiation|| is

[twin wigeon]

im more curious as to what it'll be for

imagine we forget and get chekov'ed

[lean garden]

For? Why to kill tenno!

[twin wigeon]

wait we already forgot, we're getting chekov'ed at some point ig

chekov'ed as in chekov's gun

[restive river]

Step 1. Irradiate and trap the tenno
Step 2. Kill the frame

[twin wigeon]

-# i think thats how its spelled anyway

i mean maybe its like a reverse orphix field

[restive river]

Chekov’s radiation
Chekov’s finger
What other chekovs we got?

[restive river]

It’s a natural anomaly

[stiff fable]

Whee I'm canon now!!

[proper barn]

They destroyed it unless they bring it up again.

[twin wigeon]

is it tho? orphix's harness it to protect themselves and murexs have shielding that also have the same effect

[stiff fable]

[proper barn]

They might

[restive river]

Yes they will bring up a super dangerous thing and just never use it again

[proper barn]

HEY IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE. Lmao.

[stiff fable]

Now that I think about it they picked five Warframes that don't have pre established lore to get in the way of being on Tau and permakilled

[lean garden]

I mean... imagine if thats whats waiting for us in the egg during the quest

[restive river]

I doubt it will happen again

[twin wigeon]

also those trokars use orphix field bs

[restive river]

Then how did we get out

[twin wigeon]

its 100% not a natural anomaly

[restive river]

Iirc the radiation under the egg was

[twin wigeon]

unless you're talking about the radiation being the natural anomoly

[restive river]

The orphix tech is the exact opposite effect

[twin wigeon]

... also what egg

[restive river]

The world seeder

[swift sentinel]

Protagonists are built different

[twin wigeon]

huh

[restive river]

The big egg

[twin wigeon]

oh that big ship looking thing in the distance

[restive river]

Ye

They’re terraforming pods

[twin wigeon]

mmmmm

that weird sentient was in one iirc

[restive river]

In the prelude under one of the eggs is anomalous radiation

[twin wigeon]

it was like being controlled by rebels?

[restive river]

That egg is now gone

Yup

[bright temple]

I eated it

[twin wigeon]

great. now I HAVE to do this arg

ty guys

[stiff fable]

Have fun... Storming the egg?

[restive river]

Just click the glitches when you see them and scroll down at the end to find the truth

[twin wigeon]

oh yeah the old war happens after they send the zariman right?

[celest needle]

T minus 9 hours until the old peace

[proper barn]

Send but not find.

Wait

I don't remember.

[outer owl]

didn't we saw one in the demo at tennocon tho ?

[strange plinth]

zariman's return is unknown, but it was definitely sent before the old war started

[strange plinth]

there are multiple

[twin wigeon]

so they send sentients to terraform then send zariman after to arrive at tau after the void jump, void jump fails and is stuck in the void for sometime

[outer owl]

but only one with the weird rift if i understood correctly ?

the one that seals the operator

[twin wigeon]

then they send the new tennos to tau again to attend tauron academy to develop their powers?

[strange plinth]

after a bit of the old war between, yes

[strange plinth]

only one with the weird radiation that we know of, yes

[lean garden]

5% luck 20% will 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure 50% pain, a 100% reason to remember the name

[outer owl]

okay thanks !

[twin wigeon]

so perita rebellion is in the old war but isn't the cause of it? or is it a lengthy battle leading up to events of the old war

[woven coyote]

Old peace is in the middle of old war

As far as we know

[strange plinth]

sentients made and sent
orokin impatient
zariman made and sent
zariman incident
sentients finish the rail
old war part one
warframe
zariman returns at some point around here
warframe + tenno combo
old peace
old war part two
night of naga drums

[woven coyote]

During the tennocon demo the operator mebtions to adis about them being at war before

[lean garden]

now we can throw in "at least one zariman from 1-9 made it to Tau"

[woven coyote]

So there was for sure some war before the academy

[strange plinth]

oh yea true

[twin wigeon]

old war part 2 has to be between the sentients?

and then we kill the dax in the naga drums?

[strange plinth]

old war part 2 is hunhow destroying the rail and erra's assault on lua

[twin wigeon]

oh and then it becomes a war on two fronts where some forces fought erra and others were trapped on tau fighting?

[swift sentinel]

Nothing says either way

Presumably, Tau was evacuated when the Peace broke down

[twin wigeon]

thats likely, erra must've fled to tau after being "hurt" by the tenno and lotus and then hunhow stayed behind to destroy the rail

[woven coyote]

Uhhhh what?

[strange plinth]

erra can't flee back to tau, he'd die

[swift sentinel]

Erra didn't go back

He's been here the whole time

[woven coyote]

Also couldnt be in origin in the new war if that were the case

[twin wigeon]

then where has he been hiding the entire time? on a murex?

[woven coyote]

Yeah

[swift sentinel]

Murex or Praghasa

[woven coyote]

They cant go back hunhow blew up the way back

[strange plinth]

the sentients only got to origin by hiding inside of praghasa to avoid dying to void exposure
they just got scarred instead

[twin wigeon]

scarred? whats that do to them? just make them weak and unable to reproduce?

[swift sentinel]

Yes

[strange plinth]

unable to reproduce yes

"void-scarred womb" n whatever else hunhow says

[twin wigeon]

god praghasa must be massive massive to hold the amount of sentients that we've encountered thus far

[woven coyote]

She could eat the sun so...

[swift sentinel]

She is , we see her in the old war cutscenes

[woven coyote]

We fight atop her in the new war too

[strange plinth]

yea she's. large.

[swift sentinel]

I meant New War cutscenes lol

[twin wigeon]

JESUS CHRIST

screw world ending threat, she's a universal threat

[woven coyote]

Just in case someone needs context
It's the one in the background

[twin wigeon]

oh wait thats what ballas was tryna do

[woven coyote]

Yeah

[strange plinth]

another view for good measure lol

[swift sentinel]

System destroying, universe is a little bigger

[twin wigeon]

wait then whats that ship we see in the thumbnail for prelude to war

[strange plinth]

also her

[twin wigeon]

gah dayum

so pointy

[stiff beacon]

Nah Florida

J/k

[twin wigeon]

florida is 100% ground zero for the rad wars /j

[humble sierra]

Drifter in 1999: "Oh my god! This place is a disgusting, dangerous battlefield! Did someone detonate one of those infested bombs they used on Deimos here?"
Amir and Velimir: "Nah just Florida"

[eager briar]

Is the operators existence wide known now? Imagine random grineer watching a being who’s known is a nigh invincible war machine charging at you and then a random 13-year-old just materializes inside of it

[strange plinth]

modern origin system, no
even just the warframes are still myths, somewhat
we hit specific targets and stay away from large populations

[twin wigeon]

we only interfere enough to stop any faction from growing too strong

[strange turtle]

Wait what

[lean garden]

worldseeders , the big egg thing

theyre from one of the zarimans 1-9

[strange turtle]

Ah

[twin wigeon]

oh damn

wheres this?

is this from the arg as well?

[strange plinth]

its from the stream that's been running for a while now
roughly every hour (minus a few) there's been a little lore drop

[proper barn]

It's not that wild.

Good to known that's where they are from though.

[twin wigeon]

... ill just wait for the stream to end and someone published the clips

[strange turtle]

I meant the world-seeders being from them bit, ik about 1-9

[proper barn]

Yee

[sly pagoda]

I still wish DE had made merch with the Zariman mission logo.

[thick yacht]

Wait pause

DE legit name-dropped the Seven?

[lean garden]

yeap

and poor nihil isnt among the group in the old peace

lewser

[thick yacht]

Karishh, Ballas, Scarne, Avantus, Tuvul, Tormis, and Nitokh

Also according to the ARG the Orokin had found a way to seal us inside our warframes?

Ngl now it looks like either they were going to kill us or we were going to kill them and we were just quicker

[strange plinth]

well, it seems to be a naturally occuring anomaly there

they were just willing to send a bunch of tenno in and let them die to seal it
which isn't particularly surprising

[thick yacht]

I need to see the Night of the Naga Drums now

I want to know exactly what went down

And more precisely how much of the Empire we destroyed

[celest needle]

"Remember, no Orokin."

[thick yacht]

I’m surprised we didn’t destroy the solar rails

[celest needle]

The Old Peace happens a long time before the night

We could get some pieces of what did go down maybe from the lobster devil guy [i forgot his name]

[strange plinth]

the bloodshed began at the ninth drum beat
and we got most of the orokin during the night of naga drums if not shortly after

[strange plinth]

roathe lol

[celest needle]

How much Orokin lore do you think he's going to give

[woven coyote]

Would hurt the civilians too

[strange plinth]

no idea. i think most of what he'll give us will be more about him than the larger empire
while the old peace itself will have more about the empire?

[thick yacht]

So I assume Tuvul (confirmed), Scarne, Nitokh, and Tormis were killed on the night of

With Karishh being killed by Grendel during the collapse along with Avantus by the Grineer

Leaving Ballas

[woven coyote]

Voruna leverian describes tuvul's last moments

[celest needle]

Although we don't know what his role was before he tried to, [spoiler]

He could've been very high ranking

[thick yacht]

Roathe was an Orokin wasn’t he?

He has the blue skin

[woven coyote]

Still is

Still alive after all even if proto'd

[thick yacht]

draws sword

[strange plinth]

his armor is grand carnus iirc

[thick yacht]

So he was Grand carnus of the Orokin

Probably not too far below an executor tbh

So we are basically gonna be playing a very high ranking Orokin

[strange plinth]

he had a more proper title somewhere. probably a devstream summary, but idk where to go find it

[thick yacht]

Thinking about ht

Roathe might be the highest ranking Orokin left alive

Wait a minute this is busted as shit he can access the gene locks

[celest needle]

Time to replay the sacrifice with Roathe

[thick yacht]

I don’t want to spend 275p again 😭

But I will, because I want the skin 🗿

[strange plinth]

Nihil's.. around, sorta
he may not have been one of the Seven, but he was still important

[celest needle]

True he is an alive executoner

[strange plinth]

we put him in a jar

[thick yacht]

Vice Regent Grand Carnus Roathe

[strange plinth]

if anything worthwhile has survived, though

[thick yacht]

🗿

Something has to have

Unless the Grineer and corpus truly picked it all clean

[humble sierra]

Hey so is this stream on a loop? Do they repeat any of these occasional lore beats?

Oop sorry to ping I'm not wanting an immediate response