lore-discussion

[restive river]

Somewhat related to that
Still wanna know why the tennocon teaser focused on the sun spot made by Ballas
I mean it relates to Tau but to the Old Peace? We’ll find out soon ig

[strange plinth]

yea
it did point us in the right direction, i suppose, but it hasn't really been followed up on

[analog frost]

someone knows how or why the entrati labs are 100% clean of any infestation when the rest of deimos is a literal hellscape. i dont quite remember id it was ever explained whit a lore reason aside of the gameplay purposes.

[fast dew]

Sealed off

Sealed off way before the infestation got there

[strange plinth]

sealed off + the infestation really doesn't like the void, so it stays out on its own

[fast dew]

And in a way, the infestation is still there

[tall echo]

I was just about to say the exact same thing

[fast dew]

The big ol vessels are still a form of infestation

[stiff beacon]

yep made from the nightmarish gray strain

which for some reason makes things either bigger or arthropodic

[fast dew]

Ehh. Aint it also the helminth?

[stiff beacon]

yea maybe idk

[fast dew]

Yeah

It is, looking at the notes rn

[stiff beacon]

would need to re listen to the journal

oh ok

[fast dew]

"The anatomical perfection of ballas' warframes, and the titanic potency of the grey strain"

[fleet shore]

so the warframe quests give out the "copy" warframe and not the original, and then later on we get the prime version, and supposedly the prime ones are the original so then did we experience the story of a copy frame? for example jade and sevagoth, we found stalker tending to a jade warframe but if its a copy how come she was bearing a child? we also find sevagoth haunting the railjack was that the original sevagoth adrift or was it also a copy? or do we like treat these quests as being the story of the originals? cause obviously they wouldn't release a prime with a regular or before a regular but i never thought of this before

[stiff beacon]

sometimes the primes arent the originals

[strange plinth]

original jade, original sevagoth
some started primes, others earned it. lavos primed himself, rev prime is fatherless

[stiff beacon]

insert thanos joke for lavos here

[lean garden]

eh, Im not sure its the "original" sevagoth or just a sevagoth

[fleet shore]

oh yeah i've known about rev but lavos primed himself? that's interesting i didn't realise that

[strange plinth]

true, could be either. for the purposes of the quest, though, it is that sevagoth

[stiff beacon]

its right there in lavos prime's flavor text

[strange plinth]

something about forging his own path to valor and being a master of transmutation, idr exact wording

[stiff beacon]

"some warframes were primed from the start. Others ascended. Lavos the master of transmutation, bowed to no one as he forged his own path to valor."

[fleet shore]

oh yeah it is there very clearly explained, i missed on that

[stiff beacon]

is the direct quote from his flavour text

[celest needle]

The Tenno watching Lavos come back primed for no reason but he felt like it

[waxen mesa]

could the tenno use transference on a helminth charger?

[stiff beacon]

ballas must've been fumming

[stiff beacon]

as long as it has transference bolt or something similar maybe

[lean garden]

probably

[strange plinth]

theoretically, probably. but would the charger let them

[lean garden]

not necessary, silvana tranfered into a forest

[stiff beacon]

tbf they directly worked on the project

[celest needle]

Now imagine the pain of being home to 100 fauna

[strange plinth]

probably not much compared to the burning she was going through during the quest

[thick yacht]

So the Orokin wouldn’t have been able to build this

[stiff beacon]

they werent at dyson sphere tech lv tech no

otherwise ftl wouldnt rely on a seperate dimension

their main tech tree was seemingly biotech

and biosciences

[lean garden]

more like they wouldn't need to

[strange plinth]

don't need to put much tech into power when you have the realm of infinite energy

[lean garden]

why would you waste time trying to gather energy from the sun when you have unlimited power at and from the fingertips

[thick yacht]

What if it was a weapon

Like the Novacula

[lean garden]

against who?

[celest needle]

Wally

/j

[thick yacht]

The Sentients

To destroy their planets

[strange plinth]

weapon like that would get immediately taken over by the sentients

[lean garden]

by destroying our solar system?

[celest needle]

Now they have a dyson sphere to use against us

[lean garden]

^ also that lol

[thick yacht]

Fire it at Tau

[lean garden]

and what do we do after we've sucked our sun dry

youre asking for a whole starkiller base here

[strange plinth]

there's a reason the warframes use metal bullets and swords. everything of higher tech got used against the orokin, that would be no different

[celest needle]

Okay why didn't the Orokin use Kuva in like

really interesting ways, why just transferring into human bodies?

Use it to transfer somebodies mind in a fish

[strange plinth]

they used it to freak out some people on naberus that one time, supposedly

[strange plinth]

fishonacci 2

[thick yacht]

The Sun has about a billion years of hydrogen energy left in reserve before it begins expanding and Earth is uninhabitable, but another few billion, like 2-3, before it goes red giant

[lean garden]

uhuh, and how long do you want to slowly passively gain enough energy to fire a weapon at a system lightyears away?

[thick yacht]

If the orokin can’t go extrasolar in a billion years

[strange plinth]

they almost were extrasolar, and then the old war and night of naga drums happened

[lean garden]

and like we're still dancing around the fact that a weapon like that would be coopted by the sentients

[thick yacht]

You only need two shots, to take out Tau’s twin suns. The planets themselves will be impossible to inhabit after that even with terraforming as there’s no light

[lean garden]

and how long do you think you have to gather enough energy for "two shots"

[strange plinth]

by the time you got one shot off, the sentients would be on their way to the structure. you're not getting the second
if you even got the first

[thick yacht]

Feed the sun something to make it pulse solar rays, use a mirror to harness the energy, direct it into a single beam, and fire it at your intended target

The sun’s solar winds already push our solar energy

[lean garden]

plus like, the shot would take years to arrive lol

[celest needle]

But it seems like a way more crueler punishment and more Orokin like to humiliate someone by transferring their mind, killing their body and putting their mind into a form they both cannot articulate in nor effectively communicate in

God imagine being stuck in as some limbless animal enhanced to live forever for all of eternity

Or being kept as a pet by some Orokin forever in the body of a Bolarola or Kuaka

[lean garden]

so you want to fire a giant heat ray at another star

thats the plan?

[strange plinth]

seems similar to being turned into a cephalon tbh
only difference is that one has a physical form

[thick yacht]

Superradiant energy directed into a single beam fired across the expanse at an unimaginable speed

[strange plinth]

the speed of light is fairly well documented actually

[celest needle]

yeah but being a cephalon you can no longer feel the guilt or shame of what you did or probably remember who you were before so its practically the same mind different memories, with Kuva you remember everything.

[restive river]

What if what was a weapon? The non existent and impossible to make dyson sphere?

[thick yacht]

Force the star to either collapse

[celest needle]

Okay so theoretically if you do hit Tau with it

And they survive
what do you do then

[thick yacht]

Or go supernova

[restive river]

Cause they will survive and they will be very angry

[lean garden]

I mean, nothing in what you just explained would make this "superradiant energy" go faster than light

all you really said was "direct solar energy there"

[strange plinth]

i'd pin the guilt/shame piece on precepts, those can be modified or removed
Nihil's pretty much the same as he was, from what we know, and he's some kind of cephalon at this point

[thick yacht]

You can use whatever is used for the solar rails as a transport mechanism

[lean garden]

... the void?

[strange plinth]

why not just use the void for the weapon then??

[restive river]

Yeah what

[celest needle]

The humble warframes:

[restive river]

Use the thing that is their weakness lol

[thick yacht]

You can’t concentrate void energy into a single beam iirc

[strange plinth]

amp:

[restive river]

The Tenno:

[lean garden]

what do you think you do with your hands

[thick yacht]

Oh right 💔

[restive river]

You don’t need a solar weapon against the sentients

[thick yacht]

Yeah at that point just shooting at them with void energy is enough

[restive river]

Nor is one, at least using a dyson sphere, possible

[celest needle]

Man realizes the useful of the Tenno

[restive river]

Also
Wisp!

[strange plinth]

if it weren't for praghasa sacrificing herself, The Flaw would've worked perfectly

[restive river]

Her 4 is literally a portal to the sun
So if you really wanted to hurt them with the sun, do that

[celest needle]

Why not just make a really op warframe
duplicate them thousands of times
and use them against the sentients

[strange plinth]

i mean that's what they did, really

[celest needle]

Yeah but like

something like a purely void warframe to absoloutely butcher the sentients

[stiff fable]

Xaku: am I a joke to you

[restive river]

Also like
Every gen 2 frame comes with a Tenno :p

[celest needle]

Was theey in the old war tho... correct me if I'm wrong.

[restive river]

Oh and whatever those parazon boosters are give void damage too

[restive river]

They
And yes.

[strange plinth]

they had to be, to have a prime
and it isn't a rev situation because they have entrati motifs

[restive river]

Xaku literally has to be during the old war
Their pieces were lost during it, reformed and had to come back soon enough that they got a prime

[celest needle]

Then just duplicate them a bunch of times more then everything else because theye're the ultimate sentient weakness and is practically made of void

[stiff fable]

They probably did tbh

[restive river]

*they’re
And that isn’t entirely necessary if every frame comes free with a tenno

Xaku can’t do everything so variety is still needed but
They would be very useful, depending on when they entered the war

[strange plinth]

something i noticed earlier is that xaku's 3 is in the requiem logs
which i never noticed before. but "gaze, accuse, deny" is just in there

[restive river]

It could be by the Old Peace every frame that could have been made and showed up during the Old War was made

[stiff fable]

lol imagine if Xaku Prime was in the Prime Vanguard

[restive river]

Their entire kit is like that
Xata’s Whisper is “Truth’s Whisper” and covers the frame in infested gunk and imbues them with the void, the infestation is what frames are made of and the void is what powers them and their abilities
Grasp of Lohk is simpler cause it’s just Grasp of Void
And ofc Vast Untime is just alluding to the void itself

[strange plinth]

would xaku and caliban have beef

[restive river]

Oh so that’s what happened to Adis

[celest needle]

Xaku steps into Tauron
30 Sentients dead

[restive river]

Grasp of Lohk moment

Ofc in gameplay Xaku’s void damage and status is different
But
That is purely for gameplay

Xata’s Whisper could have been the ability for fighting sentients or eidolons but nah
I get it but c’mon 😭

[stiff fable]

@rotund light Short version is that after Wally screwed Drifter over and abandoned them on the Zariman, the Void shielding failed and reached Drifter. Through literal Void magic, their Zariman transformed into the world of Duviri.

[rotund light]

Oh….

[stiff fable]

It's called conceptual embodiment, where the void takes something you feel strongly about and brings it to life

You can't control it or do it intentionally

It just happens

That's what the last picture in the Duviri Paradox quest is, when you assemble the doll

[rotund light]

So like how our operator has that mimic keep repeating “kiddo” throughout the quests. Was it confirmed the mimic is major rusulka or something else?

[stiff fable]

Neither

It's The Indifference

Or The Man in the Wall

(Aka Wally)

[rotund light]

Oh ok gotcha

[strange plinth]

indifference is possessing/puppeting rusalka, though

[stiff fable]

He's currently wearing Rusalka the way you wear a Warframe

Except he's the one who went in there and emptied her out so he could fit

[rotund light]

I wonder if we’ll get to fight Wally some day cause Rell and Harrow deserved better

[stiff fable]

The whole arc is about finding out if that's even possible

Oh, and just to whet the appetite

The Murmur? They're little pieces of him.

[rotund light]

Which one? Man in the wall

Or whispers in the wall?

[stiff fable]

The entire arc

Every quest since Angels

All the quests until after TAU

[rotund light]

So he’s like the primordial being like an eldritch or deity

[rotund light]

We don’t have access to tau yet do we?

[stiff fable]

That's what Old Peace is

[rotund light]

Or is that staring the 10th

[rotund light]

Oh ok

[stiff fable]

This is going to be memories of the Old War era, on Tau

But the TAU update will be next year

[rotund light]

Wonder if tau will be its own solar system like the origin

[stiff fable]

Something like that.

But also if you read the description of the Murmur dust from isleweaver, it says it's made from dead universes

[lean garden]

I think they meant like navigation menu wise

[rotund light]

So tau could be dead? Or just heavy sentient life

[celest needle]

We don't know yet

[strange plinth]

Tau has been silent since the old war
so. unknown

[rotund light]

That and design wise for story

[celest needle]

~~ Omg a crossover ? With the T'au out of everything! /j ~~

Please let Pazuul be involved

NARMERE NEEDS SOMETHING

[lean garden]

dead? probably not

[rotund light]

Didn’t new war mention sentients made it to tau?

[dark compass]

Every single enemy runs around with Latron incarnon tier firepower

[celest needle]

Regenerating shields

[restive river]

We know they made it to Tau
It’s just after the rail was destroyed we never heard anything else

Even the sentients that got stuck in the Origin System haven’t heard anything

[rotund light]

Huh so it could be the last remaining sentients in Tau, or they somehow merged with other life like the archons or Caliban to make more life

[restive river]

I mean
We just don’t know

Anything could have happened to them

[lean garden]

what other life lol

[restive river]

They could have just cut contact and went on to make a utopia for all we know

[rotund light]

All universe theoretically have capacity to carry other life like how earth is we just don’t know how many plants/ universes have that

[restive river]

If the original finger is there they could have messed with that and void nuked themselves (unlikely since the next arc is apparently about Tau and is huge)

[lean garden]

other universes shouldnt even be part of the conversation regarding Tau

[restive river]

They went to one other solar system and Tau likely does not have life

[stiff beacon]

but given the teaser image for tau at the end of last tennolive its probably more like detriot

[restive river]

They also went there to specifically terraform Tau
So

[restive river]

Something def happened, I’m just doubting it’s their destruction

[stiff beacon]

or Chernobyl

[rotund light]

Thought it wasn’t in same galaxy/ universe since void jump. But point still stands for systems

[restive river]

It
It was

The sentients didn’t void jump??

[rotund light]

They traveled through the void so long the couldn’t replicate

[restive river]

It’s in the same galaxy and in the same universe

[stiff beacon]

they "walked" there

[restive river]

No, that was the sentients that came back to the origin system during the war, like Hunhow and his family

[jade forge]

That was on the way back to fight the Orokin, not on the way there.

[restive river]

The first journey to Tau was the sentients taking the long way, they didn’t void jump to get there

[strange plinth]

they took the long way to tau, built the rail on the way, then used the rail to get back to the origin system

[jade forge]

They went to Tau explicitly to terraform it for human survival after the Zariman failed

[restive river]

The rail being void powered

[lean garden]

yea but the system was by and large uninhabited

[restive river]

Actually no, the Zariman came after

[rotund light]

But the thing that caused them to fight orokin was because they couldn’t reproduce due to void poisoning no?

[lean garden]

because we're about to see Tau in those days

[restive river]

Sentients are sent
They take too long
Zariman is made
Incident happens
Old War

[lean garden]

no its because the orokin are trash and they realised it

and one way or another someone struck first

[restive river]

No, that’s just their singular weakness
The sentients in Tau can reproduce

[strange plinth]

they realized that the orokin would ruin Tau just as they had Origin

[jade forge]

This is incorrect.

The Zariman was the first effort to reach Tau

[restive river]

It’s not actually but ok

[strange plinth]

it isn't. there's a zariman tablet that indicates the rail is already in progress when the zariman is sent

[stiff fable]

Was not, and nor were the Sentients

[rotund light]

Oh yea got my lore mixed up

[restive river]

Literally from an interview with the head writer

Adrian Bott: Oh, boy. I think lore-wise, you'd need at least a basic grounding in the ideas of The Old War era, the idea that there were multiple attempts to get to Tau from the Orokin side of things. So the Sentients set out to build the bridge, the solar rail between Earth and Tau. It took a long-ass time. Various other factions within the Orokin were impatient. So the Zahriman project was another attempt to get to Tau,

[lean garden]

nah, we've got word from God that the Sentients are first, but the Zariman is actually an unrelated project that was made because the sentients were too slow

[stiff beacon]

tuvull was impatient

[restive river]

The Orokin made them go the long way and still got bored lol

[restive river]

“Various other factions within the Orokin were impatient”

[stiff beacon]

im specifically saying him given dudes statues are all over the zariman

[restive river]

He just lead the project and didnt help iirc

[strange plinth]

he's probably included in the "various other factions" tbf

[restive river]

He’s one of the Seven so he’s kinda part of the main Orokin faction lol
But he could have had ties to others ofc, depends on the faction structure

[lean garden]

I mean, Id say each of the 7 are their own faction

[rotund light]

Wait I have a question. Was any orokin like blue skinned orokin ever turned warframe? Cause so far all proto version of frames were human so im wondering what the issue would be to cause an orokin to become one

[restive river]

I can see that yeah

[lean garden]

lol, how far are you in the story?

[restive river]

How far are you in the story

[strange plinth]

roathe
we don't know why yet, but he is a proto

[lean garden]

shhhhh

[restive river]

[rotund light]

Finished all main except jade shadows

[strange plinth]

literally in promotional material, that's not worth-

[lean garden]

SHHHHH

jk carry on

[stiff beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/hpw-alucard-hellsing-laughing-hysterically-hilarity-gif-20166370

[rotund light]

Uriel frame? But orokin don’t have pointy ears or tails

[restive river]

Lol
Find out in like
A day and a half

[celest needle]

Yeah that's uhhh
the framing part

the warframing part

[lean garden]

I mean you can see the protoframe for yourself

[strange plinth]

the pointed ears could absolutely be something the orokin could do tbf
they make their skin blue and typically elongate an arm, they could probably do pointed ears
the tail is part of the uriel frame tho yes

[restive river]

Tbh they could do tails easily too lol

[celest needle]

This must've been HELL to model all of that gold trim

[rotund light]

Ok I k so about his proto but didn’t know he was orokin thought he was something else

[restive river]

Like they could probably do nearly any body mod but limited it to blue skin, tall and long arm lol
Oh and whatever is wrong with some of their hair

[strange plinth]

probably, yea

[rotund light]

Thought he was forbidden human orikin kin

[restive river]

Oh and whatever is up with their eyes

[woven coyote]

What do you think orokin are?

[restive river]

He’s just Orokin
Which to clarify is not a race but a class, the blue skin is literally cosmetic

Which yeah the Orokin are just human

[woven coyote]

Yeah this

[restive river]

They’re like billionaires but worse!

[woven coyote]

Go figure right?

[celest needle]

Billionares + Shitty 19th Century Monarchs

[rotund light]

Tbh thought they were like different from humans since they lived a but ton longer and were blue

[celest needle]

That is thanks to Kuva

[woven coyote]

Nope just modded hoomans

[restive river]

They’re just humans with good biotech and access to magic body swap liquid

[strange plinth]

the blue skin is refacia kits, which we have access to through the focus redeems
long lifespan is tech and continuity

[restive river]

They present themselves as gods

[rotund light]

So kinda like how awoken were from destiny right? (Using as an example to understand)

[woven coyote]

evil magic body swap liquid

[restive river]

True
It is literally murder

[woven coyote]

Yup

[celest needle]

Murder

but spoiled milk flavoreed

[rotund light]

Did not get refacia yet so no idea what they are

[restive river]

Mmm milk and sparkling water flavor…

[woven coyote]

Why ducky why

[restive river]

Just grants you access to the cosmetic skin colorings of the Orokin

[strange plinth]

requires you to complete a full focus tree before it shows the menu so that's not a big deal

[rotund light]

So like skin walkers but drinkable rather than entity

[celest needle]

Idk what it is but I do not feel right with that voiceline 🥀

[restive river]

I found out that’s what that tastes like (not from personal experience) and thus shall share this cursed recipe

[rotund light]

From lore o know they can look like other people to past tense

[rotund light]

No plat needed?

[celest needle]

Basically

Dying? Use Kuva to swap your body into another person by killing their mind and putting yours in without any tech

New Body, same you

[woven coyote]

No idea

[restive river]

Can’t wait to do this as Drifter in Duviri

[celest needle]

Tri tooth

[strange plinth]

the creature,,,

[restive river]

And also it’s apparently a smoother and more successful process if the void is involved in the process
Good at conducting consciousness iirc

[blissful merlin]

Omg same. It’s gonna be wild lmao

[restive river]

I hope we can ask Roathe like
What’s up with Kuva, where’d that come from

[woven coyote]

And a singer

And a funny book

[celest needle]

Probably going to get some bombshell lore about the executors

[stiff fable]

There's like two possibilities

[restive river]

Yeah that too
Song so important it showed up in Duviri

[rotund light]

That’s legit a melted ice cream float

[stiff fable]

Either we get the good stuff or it turns out Roathe also doesn't know anything

[restive river]

Lmao yeahh

[rotund light]

For some reason voice reminds me of gargamel from smurfs

[stiff fable]

HAHAHAHA

OH MY GOD

[celest needle]

"Lol idk I got brain damage."

[stiff fable]

See, he has that voice because Rebecca Ford loves one of the bad guys in FF14

[restive river]

The infested make my brain hurt all i remember is war

I wonder if Roathe has PTSD

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy14-ffxiv-emet-selch-snap-finger-snap-gif-24426214

[restive river]

I love that she is collecting voice actors lol

[rotund light]

I don’t think he would cause don’t frames post tirning lose their memories?

[stiff fable]

Warframe now is just her collecting her problematic faves

Fibonacci (and Viktor) are Asterion from BG3

[restive river]

That’s the trick with the protos
Their process is slowed

[stiff fable]

Also, Amir is Super Mario

Which will forever crack me up

[restive river]

Arthur is a lot of people too

Eleanor is BG3 narrator

[rotund light]

They were made as a way to fend off sentients during war, it got out of hand and multiplied astronomically

[stiff fable]

Marie is from Expedition 33 unless I misremember

[restive river]

The protos weren’t though

Also what

[rotund light]

? Please explain also someone know why DE doesn’t want stalker as a playable frame?

[stiff fable]

They just don't

[woven coyote]

Fishtarion

[stiff fable]

They've said so multiple times

[lean garden]

well he's not turned yet is he lol

[celest needle]

don't tell him

[strange plinth]

that took way too long to load
Teshin: "A Yuvan theater, long abandoned... ...They'd barter here, the Orokin. Withering and coughing- as they prepared for their Continuity."
Operator: "She doesn't want me dead."
Teshin: "No. The Queen doesn't want to kill you. She wants to become you. To burrow through your mind corrupting it with despair until only she remains."

[fast dew]

Albrecht modified the strain to slow it down.

[stiff fable]

He did not

[fast dew]

... what

[stiff fable]

Just didn't give them the last shot

[fast dew]

Yes he did??? What???

[woven coyote]

Read again
Stalker

[fast dew]

??????

[restive river]

The protoframes have a slowed version of the helminth strain, allowing them to be human and in control for much longer

The frames during the war prior to the tenno pilots eventually went mad, yes but they were shelved til the tenno solution presented itself

[stiff fable]

Albrecht didn't change anything about the Warframe batch serums

[fast dew]

I was meaning the protos

[restive river]

He kinda had to though

[fast dew]

...no? He very much did.

[woven coyote]

You must've missclicked bcs you replied to the stalker message

[stiff fable]

It's like what happens in the Sacrifice

[fast dew]

...no it aint

[stiff fable]

Umbra is infected with the Helminth right from the start

[celest needle]

I wonder where the queen is now
/j

[restive river]

The protos are specifically like
Way slower

[rotund light]

During the umbra quest that machine we learn about excal umbra last moments it talked about the infested it was I think one of first tries at making frame before they knew they were making frames and it got loose

[fast dew]

Its similar only in the process of it being helminth.

[celest needle]

It was a punishment

[stiff fable]

But there's a whole course of injections that he has to take to become a Warframe

[fast dew]

Took ages for Flare to turn into Temple

[strange plinth]

umbra was one of the last. he was like that on purpose

[restive river]

Umbra was one of the last frames made
And it was the first generation of frames that were failures

[celest needle]

Umbra found out about what Ballas was doing and as such Ballas turned him into Umbra with his only memory being that of murdering his son

[fast dew]

Okay so explain flare/temple and ||Roathe/uriel||?

Flare never had it and still became one.

[stiff fable]

What is there to explain?

[restive river]

Not really? They were in the comment and would have transformed then, they didn’t make their debut appearance til the night of the naga drums

[stiff fable]

They're still infected

Wow thanks Discord

[rotund light]

No my question was 2 in one asking about proto and stalker

[stiff fable]

Flare was about to die

Like, actual verge of death

[restive river]

The protos process is slowed
They will still fully transform
It just takes longer than normal
The Drifter and the loop also help their situations

[woven coyote]

The one they replied to only said stalker

[fast dew]

Flare... never had that "final" shot. Or they wouldn't be a proto, would they? According to your logic. Assumingly, nor did Roathe given Albrecht didn't seem to return.

[strange plinth]

i don't think one additional injection would change the rate of transformation from over a year (as with the protos) to a few days at most (as with umbra)

[stiff fable]

The difference is that he was about to go infested

[restive river]

The thing is the protos were like that for a good while, being fully injected in 98 and not fully transforming til after 99

[fast dew]

The '?' In the question was in regards to the protos.

[stiff fable]

He wasn't stable like the Hex

[jade forge]

I'm almost certain the Drifter states outright that Albrecht did something different with the protos in one of the comms

[fast dew]

They, and where is this said?

[stiff fable]

????

[fast dew]

OH ROATHE?

[stiff fable]

It's literally his intro explaining what happened to him

[fast dew]

They if you mean flare

[stiff fable]

Flare

Oh my bad wow yeah

[restive river]

Even with the final shot the protos take more than a year to fully transform

[rotund light]

I put also in sub of “and”

[stiff fable]

Sorry, no idea with Roathe, never met 'em

[fast dew]

And uh. what..? how does being on death change the situation?

[stiff fable]

Flare was fully primed to go infested

[fast dew]

... so was Eleanor

[stiff fable]

No?

[fast dew]

.... yes.

[stiff fable]

Unless I missed a convo

I've never heard that

[fast dew]

What do you think that tongue is from? Not the helminth.

[twin wigeon]

yes? she's already fighting the infested hivemind

[fast dew]

We. We literally see her join the hivemind

[stiff fable]

Because she's the Nyx proto

[restive river]

No Eleanor was just more infected by the techrot
She got the helminth dose same as everyone else

[stiff fable]

That tips her over the edge

[fast dew]

??????

[stiff fable]

Separate from that her infestation progressed further

[restive river]

It’s both her being Nyx and her being the furthest along in terms of Techrot infection

[stiff fable]

She's as stable as the others

[fast dew]

So flare would be too

[stiff fable]

But further down the curve

[stiff fable]

What do you think Lizzie is

[fast dew]

... flare's blood fell onto their guitar.

Thats what lizzie is.

[stiff fable]

Flare's highly infested blood, yes

[fast dew]

...helminth'd blood.

[strange plinth]

flare has some techrot in their system when entrati shows up with the "magical mystery cure", but they don't indicate being on death's door

[lean garden]

which was as infested as the rest of the protos

[fast dew]

It was after their injection.

[stiff fable]

You don't see Aoi infesting her metal spheres

Yes that's what I'm saying

[twin wigeon]

flares techrot infested blood falls on the guitar and converts to techrot guitar

[stiff fable]

Flare is that infested

[fast dew]

Metal doesn't have tech.

[lean garden]

cuz albrecht gave them the jab before the concert

[fast dew]

Lizzie did.

[lean garden]

aoi also isnt bleeding on her spheres

[fast dew]

The technocyte likes technology

[stiff fable]

Her fingers are bleeding, no?

[fast dew]

No?

Its just irritation

[stiff fable]

Look at the closeups

It looks bloody to me

[twin wigeon]

their fingers are actually guitar picks

[fast dew]

... its not blood

[twin wigeon]

or equivalent really

[fast dew]

Dawg if you think that is blood i really need you to look at blood

That isn't blood. Its irritation.

[twin wigeon]

DE i think states that her fingers are guitar picks

[stiff fable]

I cough it up often enough

[restive river]

Aoi’s fingers are bleeding or blistered, they’re def irritated

[stiff fable]

Which causes bleeding, yes?

[fast dew]

No?

[stiff fable]

wow

[fast dew]

My ankles are irritated and they aint bleeding

[stiff fable]

Never talk to nurses

[fast dew]

My joints are irritated and they aint bleeding

[stiff fable]

The horror stories are... Well. Horrific.

[twin wigeon]

ummm perhaps get that checked thomas?

[restive river]

Ok
One of you get a close up of her fingers

[fast dew]

Yes i have a chronic illness we know

Its just normal pain atp

[strange plinth]

"seems like there's a funny thing about infested blood and anything electrical around here..." is what flare says in regards to bleeding on the guitar and forming lizzie

[lean garden]

Anyways, the point is Flare wasnt any bit less stable than any of the hex

[fast dew]

Idk where the several injections come in

[stiff fable]

Yes, I've been saying that. What they were was closer to death.

[twin wigeon]

best im gonna do

[fast dew]

We're yappinf about aoi lol

[restive river]

I was talking about Aoi lol

[stiff fable]

The Helminth stabilized them

[twin wigeon]

shoot

[fast dew]

No???

They all are

[lean garden]

really now? because I just scoured Flare3 and flare5 and I dont remotely see what youre talking about

[restive river]

The comic?

[rotund light]

I’m confused. Helminth strain was an injectable lab made virus or like normal virus and it had activation shots for certain stages/transform speeds?

[fast dew]

I thought that was stabilisers?

[rotund light]

Wait where do we find the comics??

[fast dew]

On the site

[lean garden]

booster shots LOL

[restive river]

I don’t think it said
They just got injections

[twin wigeon]

best im gonna find

[rotund light]

What site

[lean garden]

warframe

[restive river]

Spicy lied to them about the cure and infected them anyway and gave them more too

[fast dew]

Helminth specifically is a injection, the infestation acts like a virus/fungus

[woven coyote]

Well the immediate effect definetely wasnt stable but at the same time we do meet them afterwards

[fast dew]

Spicy 😭

[restive river]

They’re
The same thing

[fast dew]

NO LIKE

[stiff fable]

Rank 0

[fast dew]

I MEAN THE STRAINS

THEY ACT DIFFERENTLY

[stiff fable]

Flare: that was pretty effin' shit
> Ooof.

    (Jump to below branch: 'Flare: 0/5 stars. would not visit again. as i'm lying there in the tour bus, there's a knock on the door')

> You caught techrot?

    Flare: 0/5 stars. would not visit again. as i'm lying there in the tour bus, there's a knock on the door```

[restive river]

I hate auto correct!

[rotund light]

Oh so more like X-gene like mutation stuff

[fast dew]

Lying on the floor? Dawg i lay on the floor all the time

Guess im dying

[lean garden]

I dont remotely see "closer to death"

[stiff fable]

Best get that irritation checked

[restive river]

An injection is the mode of transport
A virus or fungi is how it acts
Those are different things

[lean garden]

they caught the sickness going around, and then entrati gives them the same thing he gave the hex

[twin wigeon]

what are we talking about again? i wanna get involved :3

[fast dew]

I

I mean the strains and how the helminth won't transfer without injection, while most other strains will infest normally

[rotund light]

How protos were made

[jade forge]

Whether or not Protoframes are different than Warframes

[restive river]

Sorry i didnt mean infection, I meant injection

[woven coyote]

Not quite

[restive river]

Also the
Helminth can transfer without injection?

That’s how we get Lizzie

[rotund light]

No?? It was used to save lives (dagath) or punish (jade, stalker, etc)

[fast dew]

They aren't really much different. They just had a slower full-turned time

[fast dew]

I need to explain myself better hold on

[restive river]

They’re different purely in the fact the full transformation is slower

[twin wigeon]

i mean it wasn't transferred to the guitar but the infested blood did fall onto the guitar, and the blood contained techrot?

[lean garden]

is there some issue with discord? this is like the 10000th time Ive seen someone reply to the wrong message

[restive river]

It also contained the helminth

[rotund light]

I know it’s not genetic linked but what they did during weapon X trials injecting stuff

[restive river]

Lizzie is more so Helminth than she is Techrot
Which
They’re both infested anyway so it doesn’t matter :p

[twin wigeon]

techrot is just a different strain of helminth isn't it?

after all they share the same hivemind

[strange plinth]

closer to the other way around
but they're both infestation yes

[restive river]

A different strain of the infestation, they both are

[twin wigeon]

just like the grey strain on deimos?

[strange plinth]

mhm

[rotund light]

I was replying to the fact that they said helminth was going around like common cold. I said it was given in controlled ways to save or punish

[stiff fable]

Technocyte is the main virus

[restive river]

I like to think of the hivemind as different parts of the brain

[fast dew]

Specifically with humans, the helminth won't transfer without fluid cross contamination (kinda like most blood borne diseases), the grey strain can infest without needing the blood to blood contact

[strange plinth]

techrot was going around, helminth doesn't do that very often

[stiff fable]

Techrot is its nickname in 1999, infestation is its nickname in the Orokin era

[lean garden]

brother, wrong time period

[twin wigeon]

they're all strains of that primordial infested originally found on some meteor or smth. Ballas talked about it in the vitruvian

[stiff fable]

Same virus

[strange plinth]

-# no known origin

[twin wigeon]

whats the Testudo virus?

[celest needle]

Is there any reason why in the lore the Orokin Derelict was replaced with Deimos?

[strange plinth]

early techrot infection

[lean garden]

techrot

[fast dew]

The actual name for the techrot

[restive river]

What
We don’t know the origin of it at all

[fast dew]

Its Albrecht's shit iirc

[stiff fable]

The original popular name for a technocyte infection in 1999 was tetsudo

[fast dew]

They lowkey own Deimos 😭

Which. Tbf, isn't that much space

[stiff fable]

It's Japanese

[restive river]

Closest we have is we watched it drift into place and then boom deimos

[strange plinth]

iirc, the derelicts brought deimos back to real space out of the void?
they were scattered around the system but they converged on deimos's location shortly before it came back

[woven coyote]

Testudo pretty sure

[twin wigeon]

correct, the voiceline did not infact tell us where it came from it was just mucking about the orokin's outer colonies

[stiff fable]

Unless of course darkSector is canon after all

[rotund light]

Wait techrot was in origin system dying orikin era? So techrot caused what the initial frame changes or was that helminth? Cause it sounds like 3 viruses are at play rn

[stiff fable]

Techrot is a nickname

It's still the Infestation

[restive river]

I don’t believe there’s any known reason

[woven coyote]

Like closer to the military formation not japanese

[stiff fable]

Just takes a different form

[fast dew]

I just assumed Albrecht just needed deimos for his shenanigans

[strange plinth]

the techrot is the form of the infestation in 1999, the infestation is what the orokin called it, and they domesticated a strain of it into the helminth

[twin wigeon]

Testudo means turtle i think, in reference to that sword steel skin that we form

[restive river]

The infestation was used by the Orokin, the Helminth strain being the closest to a domesticated strain

[stiff fable]

Loid (sentinel) says the moon had to phase back into reality

[jade forge]

Finally found the line I was thinking of.

Your infestation has stopped progressing. I don’t know if that’s for a fact that the year is looping, or the strain Entrati used.

[restive river]

I’m talking about the derelict lol

[stiff fable]

Oh they're just Orokin Towers that got nommed

[fast dew]

If i had a dollar for every time deimos got yoinked into something beyond the physical world because of rich people, I'd have 2 dollars

[restive river]

(To add onto this the Drifter’s transference also helps the protoframes too, but that’s later)

[jade forge]

Same convo

Because if I pop into your heads once and a while, you won’t go insane. That’s what Transference is for.

[restive river]

They weren’t towers tho
But
Yeah it just drifted into place then got “eaten”

[restive river]

Lmao yeah :D

[celest needle]

So is that why Deimos's tileset is the derelict cause its covered in them?

[strange plinth]

yea cambion drift and necralisk are the only two nodes that are actually on deimos

[stiff fable]

Aren't they explicitly infested Orokin Towers?

[restive river]

And the labs

[strange plinth]

they're in deimos, slightly different /s

[fast dew]

The labs are in

[twin wigeon]

i think its more likely that it was year looping is what halts the infection, because flare goes to nap on that asteroid to arrive later in time?

[restive river]

The derelict’s visual is not of an orokin tower but a ship

[stiff fable]

Hmm

[jade forge]

There's also the qeustion of how void abilities work in 1999 but that probably isn't related to the strain

[celest needle]

I always thought that it was just a bunch of Orokin living spaces that were infested thanks to the biobomb

[restive river]

Flare comes out of that comet fully transformed, the loop helps prolong things but they will all succumb eventually.

[fast dew]

The concept of loid being able to draw

[strange plinth]

i mean, it still doesn't change that the protos transform over a few years rather than a few hours to days like we'd expect regular frames to

[stiff fable]

If the accidental leaks are right, Albrecht's got a Void portal opened in 1899

[rotund light]

So infestation is the “wild” form, texhrot was the version from the 90’s, then helminth was the domesticated version of original infestation. What is grey strain then?

[restive river]

For Drifter it’s cause they have a piece of Wally that Operator shared
For the frames, we don’t know! Just that they do have connection to the void.

[fast dew]

The void has always existed, the heart hasn't.

[stiff fable]

A strain that makes things BIG but also fights itself

[jade forge]

Temple is a somewhat unique case in that they embrace their infestation willingly, and have Lizzie working on them much more actively than the others.

[restive river]

Grey strain was used in the deimos bomb and makes stuff really big

[stiff fable]

The Heart sluices energy into the Origin System

[strange plinth]

a strain that makes things big
mutalist specializes in infesting tech
uhhh there's probably another strain i'm forgetting

[twin wigeon]

grey strain was used to fight the sentients i think? don't quote me

[fast dew]

Yeah.

But the heart did not exist in 1999.

[stiff fable]

An open void portal would have the same effect

[fast dew]

...no

[restive river]

Yeah, if they were conscious as themselves similar to like
Kullervo then they’re def the most unique since they aren’t fueled by strong emotions but by acceptance

[fast dew]

That's a massive assumption

[stiff fable]

Not especially

[restive river]

If that void portal connected to any point when the Heart existed, sure

[stiff fable]

If time and space don't exist in the void....

[fast dew]

Cept it doesn't. It only connects to the void.

[twin wigeon]

maybe the deimos hearts connect to the vessels which connect back to the protos?

[stiff fable]

Solid theory tbh

[restive river]

I mean there still needs to be a way for the connection to like
Work

[fast dew]

Okay so how do the atomicycles work?

They're still augmented by the void

[stiff fable]

They're motorcycles using advanced technology

[restive river]

I had this theory but the major hole is the protos existed BEFORE the vessels
And also the bike uses the void lol

[fast dew]

...void specifically.

[woven coyote]

Maybe whatever arlo was
And also maybe the myconians

[stiff fable]

But yeah void energy is energy

[twin wigeon]

since we're able to transfer to the protos via the vessel the first time, there had to be a pre-existing connection to the protos for us to transfer to

[fast dew]

Albrecht uses the void to modify the bikes.

[stiff fable]

It moves from areas of high concentration to low concentration

[restive river]

But the void energy has to get there somehow

[stiff fable]

So an open void portal releases energy

[jade forge]

Well Temple is already a bootstrap paradox, no reason we can't have another one.

[stiff fable]

Temple is explicitly not a bootstrap paradox!

[woven coyote]

Not

[lean garden]

wuh?

[restive river]

That’s assuming that’s how that works and a heart isn’t needed

[twin wigeon]

albrecht actually augments the bikes to use void energy which i find funny asf

[restive river]

Same lol

[fast dew]

Also, Albrecht's void scars :)

[jade forge]

Albrecht made the protoframes using the existing frames

[fast dew]

(Benevolently)

Real ones understand

[strange plinth]

Albrecht can't take a sample from a warframe that arrives in the origin system after he left !

[jade forge]

That is exactly my point

[strange plinth]

so it isn't a bootstrap??

[restive river]

Yeah Temple isn’t a bootstrap

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-home-alone2-lost-in-new-york-concierge-tim-curry-gif-27290801

[fast dew]

Temple as a strain existed before becoming a frame

Ballas just never made it, the strain still existed

[woven coyote]

Yup

[fast dew]

Albrecht probably just yoinked it

[stiff fable]

It's just that Albrecht decided to do the funniest thing imaginable

[restive river]

Ballas made the design
Albrecht stole it
Gave it to Flare
Flare shows up as Temple at the night of the naga drums

So not only is Ballas the origin but Temple doesn’t even make an appearance til the fall, no time for Albrecht to give it to Flare as he had already left.

[celest needle]

Albrecht does the funniest things possible

[stiff fable]

And give it to the person who inspired Temple

[rotund light]

Wait I thought the frame template was like an outline and whenever someone is put through it we get the ones we know rn like aurthur is the only excal, Eleanor is only nyx very similar to excal since shes his sister etc.

[fast dew]

My favourite notes from Albrecht + the actual void one needed

[stiff fable]

Arthur is the only Excalibur we know

[woven coyote]

The orokin didnt just infect people at random and then snapshot what happened

There were designs, batches. And from temple we know not all were used on people

[jade forge]

That's not even true we literally know Umbra

[stiff fable]

There could be dozens

[twin wigeon]

(benevolently)

[lean garden]

eeerr, I dont think Ballas was inspired by Temple to make the OG design before flare turned it into current temple

[stiff fable]

Excalibur Proto

[restive river]

No, the Protos are not the original frames
The only ones that are are Flare as Temple and Roathe as Uriel

[jade forge]

Unless you just mean Protoframes then yes we only know one of each

[fast dew]

What did he mean by benevolently 💔

[lean garden]

"these bikes suck DAMN"

[fast dew]

Did he explode someone? Is that why we don't have a loki proto

[restive river]

Excal from the start of the game:

[woven coyote]

Nope

[jade forge]

(as an aside "protoframe" is a really stupid name because it definitely implies they are the origin of the templates)

[stiff fable]

Flare brings up the that aesthetic is too close to be pure coincidence

[rotund light]

So he’s in theory the umbra we saw in sacrifice then time travel bs happens

[restive river]

Yup! It only works as a name for 2 of them lol

[strange plinth]

my favorite part of albrecht's characterization is him complaining about Past Tech like it isn't Past Tech

[celest needle]

NO

[blissful merlin]

No

[woven coyote]

It doesnt necessarily

[celest needle]

ahem caps
no

[stiff fable]

No?

[jade forge]

It does definitely imply it. It doesn't mandate it.

[fast dew]

My favourite part of Loid's character is that they kept his fondness for caring about children

[stiff fable]

I'm talking protoframes

[celest needle]

The strain is entirely different from the person who was infected

Temple is the only exception to this

[restive river]

The umbra arthur eye theory isn’t real
It can’t hurt me

[fast dew]

It will.

[restive river]

NOOO

[fast dew]

It will hurt you.

[strange turtle]

…problematic?

[blissful merlin]

It has

[jade forge]

Umbra Arthur skin wen

[restive river]

Roathe:

[celest needle]

We don't know yet

[fast dew]

We do

[restive river]

We do

[fast dew]

Its very much said

[celest needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012515412333834361/1427681491814584431/attachment.gif

[restive river]

It’s in the promotional material lol

[stiff fable]

Emet-Selch kills universes

[fast dew]

"Originating" is pretty damming lol

[celest needle]

LEAVE IT TO DE TO SPOIL THEIR OWN GAME 😭

[fast dew]

So does wally

He aint special

[rotund light]

Aw would’ve been neat seeing as only one person could be one type of Warframe. Also wasn’t jade unique cause she was pregnant?

[stiff fable]

Excuse me, Emet-Selch kills universes filled with people you know and like

[fast dew]

So did wally

[stiff fable]

So literally worse than Satan

[twin wigeon]

Like the murmur?

[strange plinth]

not necessarily. that batch could've been given to others

[fast dew]

Ehh

[stiff fable]

We don't know anyone in those universes

[celest needle]

Jade is unique since the jade we saw is probably the first jade but Jade was most likely also cloned like other warframes

[pine orchid]

-# I do agree protoframe is a misleading name for most of them, it implies they're prototypes for their type of frames. maybe smth like demiframes or smth makes more sense as they're like part frame and still part human

[stiff fable]

[fast dew]

I can name a few people that are worse

[twin wigeon]

tthat gobble up unrealized realities or smth

[stiff fable]

Pseudoframe is probably the correct word

[twin wigeon]

i forget

[jade forge]

...yeah. Early. Like before. Execpt the protoframes are actually a later, potentially more advanced design.

[restive river]

Like it technically works as they are proto warframes
But then there’s the second definition that makes it confusing

[lean garden]

flare is referring to the fact that the temple blueprints we have and the fact that its called temple is not a coincidence, and then proceeds to outline a plan to show us why thats not a coincidence. Our bps are of them not of the design ballas makes

[fast dew]

Oh no. Dead people.

Anyways so ballas assaulted the lotus and we as a whole glaze over it-

[twin wigeon]

Testudoframe is more correct :))) /j

[celest needle]

semi-warframes

[stiff fable]

They're Warframe adjacent

[jade forge]

Like I'm not saying protoframe can't be an accurate name, I'm saying it heavily implies they are prototype warframes. Which they are not.

[restive river]

They’re early in terms of their transformation, not in terms of their point of origin
It’s confusing

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-gif-25116077

[strange plinth]

its another thing on the List Of Terrible Things Ballas Deserved What He Got For
so.. yeah

[celest needle]

Need a reminder of when that happened

[woven coyote]

As in the stage before fully transforming

[stiff fable]

I think we can all agree that protoframe is just a bad name

[twin wigeon]

new war

[stiff fable]

Even if it sounds way cooler than any of the alternatives

[fast dew]

Forcibly kissing a person is assault homie breadslice dawg

[woven coyote]

A stage before a warframe
A protoframe

[restive river]

I mean he’s dead now so like
Not much more to do or say, the guy who sucked and we knew sucked did an even suckier thing and is now gone forever outside manifested man crushes and memories

[twin wigeon]

homie breadslice dawg 💀

[celest needle]

Oh right

the intro

[strange plinth]

what are we going to do about it, shoot the Warden? /s

[fast dew]

Its a reference to something leave me alone

[restive river]

Yes
It’s close enough and also he’s mean to Kullervo

[strange plinth]

fair point

[strange turtle]

Also their codex

Even the most culturally and technologically advanced civilization in history could not contain the menace of the Infestation. After an unknown cataclysmic event propelled them from the Void, Orokin vessels were left adrift, becoming uninhabited and overgrown. The tireless force of probing infested tendrils penetrate and dislodge the once majestic and opulent halls of these Orokin vessels.

[jade forge]

Remember when for five minutes Ballas pretended to help us and gave us a cool sword

What was that actually about I don't remember why that was in any way helpful to him

[fast dew]

I want more executor swords

[strange plinth]

stabbed us with it

[stiff fable]

playing both sides

[fast dew]

To make us feel bad

[stiff fable]

He wasn't sure if he could get out from Natah's thumb

[fast dew]

It kinda did, but then i remember he's an asshat

[restive river]

I do wonder why the infested seems to take the same spaces as the arboriforms

[stiff fable]

Erra showing up let him

[fast dew]

Ballas on a leash was

[restive river]

So we could get it to him

[fast dew]

A choice.

[stiff fable]

But with no Erra, it would have been a lot harder

[woven coyote]

We played space delivery service for him basically

[celest needle]

He made Khora

[strange plinth]

it certainly was

[jade forge]

Okay yeah I guess he did use that to time lock us

[restive river]

He made Harrow

[stiff fable]

And having us build Paracesis and cut our way through Praghasa would have given him his chance

[fast dew]

Why was ballas like that

[pine orchid]

I've heard a theory that the Ballad that gave us the sword isnt actually Ballas but Wally, and I do think there's some merit to it but idk there's no hard evidence for it XD

[restive river]

Orokin

[fast dew]

Freaky ass old man. Needs to be executed.

[stiff fable]

Like, reminder

[restive river]

What

[jade forge]

no

Wally isn't posessing people until after TNW

[strange plinth]

yeah prolly. wonder if anyone tried that-

[stiff fable]

At least one of the original ideas for New War had Praghasa as the actual villain

[twin wigeon]

he needs to be deprived of life force you mean

[stiff fable]

Instead of Ballas

[fast dew]

Im glassing ballas.

[restive river]

Also he
Showed us that
Specifically

Why was Wally showing us that stuff actually

[fast dew]

Im glassing him so hard.

[strange turtle]

Oh you mean the characters

[fast dew]

And ima pour hot water over it so it breaks

[twin wigeon]

noooo

[jade forge]

I'm pretty sure Wally did manipulate basically all of TNW to happen so he could jumpscare us

[stiff fable]

setting us the chain of events that leads to a big hole in the wall of Lohk

[fast dew]

The Albrecht membrane...

[stiff fable]

So he can send the Murmur through

[restive river]

True
And thus more influence iirc

[fast dew]

Not to be confused with the membrane Albrecht was in

[restive river]

They were already in, he could just do more after

[fast dew]

The o r b

[celest needle]

Cephalon Ballas

[strange plinth]

the murmur were already in the labs, they just got "bolder" after TNW

[restive river]

Iirc they were fairly dormant

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/orb-theorb-genie-cult-gif-13951070581297481576

[twin wigeon]

noooooo

[rotund light]

On the note of new war hunhow seemed a wee bit too eager to help us take down ballas and his sentiments. Both of them wanted Tenno gone so I thought surely he’d team up

[celest needle]

Thank ballas

[stiff fable]

I was going to say, I thought they mostly calmed down after Albrecht left

[pine orchid]

I think the idea was that Wally could shapeshift to look like people (like when he looks like us even before making the deal with us apparently) and the things he says abt Natah and love kinda suits Wally's anti-love sentiment that I felt gave the theory some merit, mostly a fun theory to think abt lmao

[jade forge]

Hunhow is weirdly chill now

[fast dew]

This is why i need to kill ballas.

[stiff fable]

Like, Wally can target Albrecht somehow we know

[jade forge]

I kind of like our problematic space grandpa though

[twin wigeon]

he's tryna stop wallowing in ancient grudges and shi

[stiff fable]

But without that, less Murmur

[restive river]

We’re slowly curing granpa’s racism

[jade forge]

Tbf he was objectively correct to oppose the orokin.

[fast dew]

Watch, he'll call us "one of the good ones"

[twin wigeon]

he won't

[fast dew]

That's a joke

[celest needle]

Hunhow knows that Ballas is lying to Erra and after Narmer took over the system he could really do nothing but sit and wait with the Stalker on Neptune

[stiff fable]

People are going to be super surprised when Hunhow takes a shot at us next time

[fast dew]

Its like. A thinf that happens

[strange plinth]

his son was being stupid, allowing himself to be manipulated by ballas
and he wanted natah alive
our goals aligned enough for him to help us

[restive river]

He was not correct to kill innocent civilians

[twin wigeon]

OH SHI- I just got the joke

[pine orchid]

I can see him saying that ngl the one tenno he is giving his support lmao

[jade forge]

I said "oppose the orokin" not "do war crimes"

[stiff fable]

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy

[twin wigeon]

...yes?

[restive river]

LOL yeah

[stiff fable]

The issue is how the Sentients don't distinguish between Orokin and human

[twin wigeon]

i mean orokin are human

[rotund light]

But he was tiff during natah quest that she abandoned her objective and NOW wanted to help her even though she would finish the sequence

[celest needle]

They're both... flesh? /j

[stiff fable]

All humans are Orokin in their worldview

[fast dew]

Rhe whole thing bigots will do and say "i don't like most (minority) but you're one of the good ones"

[twin wigeon]

orokins just a caste, they're still human

[jade forge]

I don't know if that's true. That might just be Hunhow.

[celest needle]

Also just a question

does Lotus need her sentient hand from the drifter back or does she just grow a new one after we feed her the archon shards?

[stiff fable]

....and all the New War sentients

[jade forge]

The others might just be chilling in Tau like "we won"

[strange plinth]

character growth, yes
he woke up to find a ton of years had passed without the plan being completed, which is what happened during Natah
by the time of the new war, he's.. "settled"

[pine orchid]

maybe it's because there's no real distinguisher between orokin and human physically unless they choose to be blue or smth

[twin wigeon]

she don't need it, she has all her arms back and stuff

[jade forge]

Big arm

[fast dew]

Blue w the long arm

And the interesting hair im not sure is supposed to be dreads or not

[stiff fable]

I'm pretty sure it's just because they don't care

[strange plinth]

she was regrown from that hand..?

[twin wigeon]

ngl their blue makes them look like corpses

[jade forge]

Though Albrecht didn't do that and Drifter does call them a distinct race.

So they might have genetic markers

[stiff fable]

It's not about justice anymore, it's about revenge

[pine orchid]

apparently the arm was optional too? it was a fashion choice iirc the original blue Albrecht didnt have the elongated arm

[fast dew]

Albrecht did in fact, do that

[rotund light]

Yea idk, still feels too strange of change like he told natah he’ll get out one way or another

[fast dew]

He was blue once.

[stiff fable]

The Orokin definitely nuked Tau

Or Void bombed it

[jade forge]

I thought he never got the big arm

[fast dew]

I miss him.

[fast dew]

Not the arm, but everything else

[pine orchid]

there it is! ty for finding that lmao

[fast dew]

Clothes, eyes, skin

[strange plinth]

he did, he just. didn't do anything else. sat down somewhere on/near uranus and sulked in the water with stalker

[pine orchid]

I rmemebered a character commenting he didnt get the then-fashionablr longer arm

[fast dew]

I have it downloaded a few times. I talk about Albrecht on a hourly basis

[jade forge]

I'm guessing that's what broke the Old Peace personally, but we'll find out tomorrow.

[fast dew]

Also that portrait is after the void incident

[celest needle]

shit.... SHIT...

ONE DAY UNTIL THE OLD PEACE

[pine orchid]

lmaooo "hello do you have a moment to talk about the source of everything that went wrong Albrecht Entrati" 😂

[celest needle]

On a WEDNESDAY

[rotund light]

So drifters line about him wallowing in self pity is literally hitting the nail on the head eh? And also pot calling kettle black too

[stiff fable]

Most major updates are Wednesday I feel

[fast dew]

Yes this is me but add more autism to it

[stiff fable]

Pretty sure New War was at least

[strange plinth]

yeah basically
he continues to do so later. play jade shadows~

[pine orchid]

ah yes so "hello do you have a couple hours to listen to me infodump about the source of everything that went wrong Albrecht Entrati" 😂

[fast dew]

EXACTLY

Hi wanna hear why Albrecht probably has ptsd of sorts

[celest needle]

Thomas is a known Albrecht #1 fan

[rotund light]

Wasn’t ballas the source or was albretch originally? I’m willing to hear info dump

[pine orchid]

me but with my conspiracy theory that the ostron language is somehow connected/descended from void language lmaooo

[fast dew]

I don't even like Albrecht too much

I like loid, and so i have to

[lean garden]

thats definitely a conspiracy lol

[celest needle]

Okay #2 Albrecht fan and #1 Loid fan

[pine orchid]

in a roundabout way, Albrecht's shenanigans is what led to Ballas shenanigans

[lean garden]

no swazdolah nor aiyo should be traced back to ISHLUN-JASS

[fast dew]

No clue how only today i learnt that Loid can draw

Figured that was just a reoccurring headcanon

[lean garden]

he can draw?

[jade forge]

Albrecht pioneered void technology that Ballas harnassed to make the Warframes

[fast dew]

Im so normal over tbis information

[rotund light]

So mad scientist did screwups and let rich boy mega blueberry chad cause more screwups

[celest needle]

"Hey offworlder [VEH VAK-SHOTARAT, ISHLUN!]"

[fast dew]

Loid has drawn Albrecht and i will forever die on this hill

[stiff fable]

Plot twist: it's the DUMP IT meme Albrecht

[rotund light]

May I ask did they have feelings? Cause that intro scene kinda is damming

[stiff fable]

Yes lol

[fast dew]

Oh they did. They were lovers

[jade forge]

Loid and Albrecht are explicitly romantic

[fast dew]

Gay as SHIT

[stiff fable]

Old man yaoi is canon

[pine orchid]

honestly I'm not sure we dont have a lot of void words to go off of but I saw them say "The Unum" and one of the newer songs (I think in the oraxia update) had what sounded like "UU-NUM” or smth so I latched onto the theory 😂
-# still need to actually do more research to prove/disprove it idk I just rlly like languages irl and the way one language has root words taken from another

[jade forge]

Workplace romance

[celest needle]

They... were close lab partners....

very
very close labpartners

[rotund light]

But what about grandmother wasn’t she his wife?

[strange plinth]

yeah i'll accept that into my headcanon /s

[fast dew]

Raised a daughter together, if you interpret a line that way

[pine orchid]

History would call them.... 😂

[jade forge]

Grandmother is Father's mother.

[celest needle]

Comes from Fathers side of the family

[fast dew]

No that's father's mother

[jade forge]

Albrecht did have a wife we just don't know anything about her.

[fast dew]

They may be a lil messed up but they aint like that

[celest needle]

I wonder how Witw is like in the chinese version

[stiff fable]

I still think it'd be the funniest thing if Roathe is also Albrecht's kid

[fast dew]

We aint even sure if it was a wife, that drifter line is unreliable.

[lean garden]

well UU is definitely a modifier in void tongue

[stiff fable]

But the wife got him in the divorce

[lean garden]

iirc UU is an indicator of "enternal"

[pine orchid]

UURIS UURIS KHRA KA RIS! Xd

[stiff fable]

oh god hang on is it confirmed that Albrecht made Roathe into a proto

[fast dew]

Yes..?

[stiff fable]

or is it possible that Roathe Helminth'd himself?

[jade forge]

I mean... Drifter/Operator has had more than enough opportunity to learn personal history of Albrecht that I don't see any reason to doubt it.

[fast dew]

Thats like. The only dude who can do it

[pine orchid]

my wife bonks me everytime I log into warframe and that song plays in my orbiter and I start chanting in void lmao

[rotund light]

So grandmother is fathers mom so albrecth might be mothers?

[fast dew]

He is her dad

[jade forge]

No Albrecht is definitively Mother's father.

[stiff fable]

anyone can do it with the serum and sufficient insanity to self-inject the infestation

[fast dew]

That's who she's looking for

[stiff fable]

And yeah the extended family lives together

[pine orchid]

grandmother and albrecht are in-laws vasically

[fast dew]

Drifter says in the same line Albrecht had multiple kids.

[jade forge]

There is a bit of weirdness that Grandmother might have already been an Entrati, but that's just how large noble houses like that are. And that's not confirmed at all.

[stiff fable]

Albrecht -> Mother
Grandmother -> Father

[fast dew]

No grandmother is just weird

[stiff fable]

This is also why Grandmother is the least problematic Orokin

[fast dew]

Old weird lady

Vilcor is pretty normal

[celest needle]

What would happen if you put a Narmer veil on a Warframe?

[fast dew]

He just got stabbed a few times

[rotund light]

Vilcor?

[fast dew]

Father

[pine orchid]

they could've been from different lines of entrati like a distant cousin or smth

[fast dew]

Nah

She likely just picked the name up

[stiff fable]

@rotund lightoh speaking of Grandmother https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkiqtw1g88

[jade forge]

That is entirely possible and would be in line with how that kind of aristocracy works. But again it's not at all confirmed

[fast dew]

I mean

There's a chance Vilcor and Grandmother weren't even orokin themselves

Only became one by marrying into the family

[pine orchid]

yeah it's just speculation, but they're the entrati family as a unit so... maybe that's just why they're included even if they're not specifically from entrati line and only mother son and daughter are entrati

[fast dew]

Vilcor mentions he used to fly railjacks, was that something orokin used to do?

[stiff fable]

Don't see why not

Not every Orokin was absolute top-caste

There was a huge range in their society

[fast dew]

... that's kinda what a orokin is

[stiff fable]

Compared to everyone else

[fast dew]

Ehhh

[stiff fable]

Not each other

[celest needle]

"You're going to have to say this story on script for 7 minutes straight in that voice."

[stiff fable]

unless you want to imply that Daughter has the status as Ballas

[fast dew]

She actually would be an Archimedian

She wasn't allowed to be

Albrecht also appears to be one as well, interestingly.

But to answer your question, the entrati family were held in very high regard.

Like. really high regard

[pine orchid]

hmm I dont remmeber any other orokin pilots, but father did have the big hand so they must've been or become orokin in some way
maybe they were just a different orokin noble family

[fast dew]

Married in is the option id take

[pine orchid]

iirc the entrati were held in high regard because of albrecht discovering the void thus makig the tech leaps possible right?

[fast dew]

Still annoyed over the weird timeline discrepancy Father makes

[fast dew]

Mhm.

Albrecht was viewed as insane later, but the rest of the entrati family were fine

[stiff fable]

Quinn also mentions that he was a contestant to marry Mother

[fast dew]

Makes sense. So the chances are higher to have simply married in then

[stiff fable]

"I lost her twice. First to her gallant suitor, then to her father's ghost. By now she is surely dust with the rest of them. At least I can still listen to her voice."

so Father married Mother before the Old War

[fast dew]

Ew

Lowkey ew 😭

[fast dew]

Yeah. So Albrecht would still be there, right?

So why does vilcor say he wasn't.

[stiff fable]

Yep

[jade forge]

What is it with Mother's love interests and losing arms

[fast dew]

Also shout out to Albrecht for having only the women of the family's tokens in the netracells

[jade forge]

Does she have a type

[fast dew]

Well, both happened after she married

[jade forge]

Her type is "men destined to lose arms"

[proper barn]

Quinn didn't lose a arm.

[fast dew]

Grandmother, Daughter and Mother. No clue where Son's or Father's is

[stiff fable]

looking at his Necralisk dialogue and it didn't show it, is it mission dialogue?

[jade forge]

Didn't he?

[proper barn]

He just got vaporized

[fast dew]

Its the quest dialogue. Mentions meeting mother after she lost Albrecht

[proper barn]

Just got Void beam blasted.

[pine orchid]

weeell vaporization includes his arm(s) so teeeechnically Xd

[proper barn]

No it's radiant.

[fast dew]

... what

[proper barn]

Pretty sure.

[fast dew]

The dialogue im specifically talking about comes from when you first meet Vilcor in the cambion drift.

[strange plinth]

when you meet him in Heart of Deimos, he mentions meeting her while she's "chasing her father's ghost"

[rotund light]

So dagath was grandmothers real name and the frame is warframes version of headless horsemen for Halloween. Also how do I get the cutscene in game

[proper barn]

OH I meant Quinn

[fast dew]

Oh lmao

[proper barn]

Well "real name"

[jade forge]

The Quinn line is a greeting

[fast dew]

This is also contradicted by Son saying he remembers a human Loid

Which we know is Albrecht's loid

[proper barn]

Isn't how I would call it. @rotund light

[proper barn]

Dojo. Dagath crypt.

[stiff fable]

have to be around for Warframe Halloween and buy the item tied to it

[rotund light]

So not her real name I gather

[proper barn]

No?

[proper barn]

No?

[strange plinth]

not for the dagath story, just the other ones

[stiff fable]

Oh, is there no Dagath decoration?

ahhhha

[rotund light]

What do you mean then?

[proper barn]

Okay so. "Real name" isn't how this works.

[jade forge]

Well he remembers riding around the garden on Loid's back. And we assume Loid has never had a different body more capable of doing that.

[stiff fable]

Dagath was grandmother's name before she gave it to Dagath-the-Warframe

[fast dew]

Whar

We know Loid had a different body to carry Son

[stiff fable]

she basically doesn't use it anymore

[jade forge]

That's Son's recollection of Loid. Riding around on his back.

[fast dew]

Loid was around for Son

We know this because loid mentions the grandkids. Plural