lore-discussion

[spice spade]

On the topic of pazuul... what the heck is he up to??? Like I started played in 2023... and pazuul is just a confusing character that appears only in archon hunts

[strange plinth]

yeah he's collecting stuff for.. something

the rest of his time is spent on propaganda and mocking us

[spice spade]

I know he's basically the possessed corpse of the Lotus's brother...

[strange plinth]

essentially
The Ram with an archon shard sitting atop Erra's body

[golden junco]

Pazuul probably trying to make something while gathering resources, I bet he's probably experimenting in the background as we discuss this

[strange plinth]

he could experiment a little faster
bro hasn't done anything in years

[fast dew]

You know what would be super unpleasant? Wally pretending to be ballas for Narmer.

[humble sierra]

DE hasn't done much with him (or Narmer) since veilbreaker

[strange plinth]

occasionally Erra seems to break through, though idk if that's just Pazuul tricks

[golden junco]

From how the experiment process seems to be in the warframe universe it's a long time like years or decades worth of time, Pazuul probably taking his sweet time to make sure whatever he's got going on in the background not only works but is extremely good

[humble sierra]

Hopefully they do something with Narmer in anticipation for Tau, and hopefully that includes the third Orb Mother

[dark compass]

an operation maybe?

[stiff beacon]

Ah yes the 3rd orb the thing that haunts de more then Garuda lore

[dark compass]

they are working together

[humble sierra]

Crafting the "recommended" Amp for Old Peace now

[violet storm]

They recommended an amp?

[humble sierra]

One of the bundles has these parts included

[violet storm]

Oh yeah

[golden junco]

Huh neat

[spice spade]

Huh... the burst grenade launcher... and idk what the others do

[humble sierra]

Granmu's the shotgun one I think

[spice spade]

I thought the shotgun was the Shwak?

[proper barn]

These are all 3(?(

I think that's it. They are all the 3rd part.

[tall echo]

Yes

[spice spade]

Oh.. I mean in terms of fire and alt fire... don't they have such a thing?

[tall echo]

Yes

[proper barn]

What?

[spice spade]

Amps have a alt fire and a main fire based on what part you use

[tall echo]

Tbh 333 is probably among the most mediocre combinations

[blissful merlin]

Oh wow. Def getting this.

[dark compass]

What

Klebrik Scaffold is unironically the worst scaffold in the game

The worst source of amp damage in general aside from mote amp

Its dps is close to mote amp

Who recommended this?

[blissful merlin]

Warframes website lol

[dark compass]

Intentionally not letting people craft the 4th one

It's like a singular ocucor side beam

[humble sierra]

"Recommended"

It's just the parts included in one of the Old Peace bundles

[violet storm]

It just so happens it comes in one of the bundles

Not an exactly a proper “recommendation” beyond that

[brittle siren]

kinda unrelated to lore but do you guys know how to get this glyph

[violet storm]

Tagfer looks so sad

[dark compass]

God I wish I could get peely pix as glyphs

There are so many cool ones

Let me buy them for pix chips :(

[thick yacht]

How long did Narmer rule for

[strange plinth]

anywhere between a few months and a few years

[brittle siren]

it has to be few years, it not easy to take down the whole system

[dark compass]

And organize veil factories/mass veiling process

[jaunty oasis]

This glyph was specifically from Operation: Gargoyle's Cry. Clans also had access to a dojo decoration that was unique to that operation too, a gargoyle statue decoration.

I suspect it will be made available in the upcoming operation blood of perita, and if not, maybe a future operation.

[strange plinth]

it wasn't available in botb or eight claw tmk, but it could show in blood of perita

[brittle siren]

damn, is there other glyph in this event?

[jaunty oasis]

There's also a Bird 3 and Fibonacci glyph too.

[brittle siren]

nice

I love gold tint glyph

[jaunty oasis]

they're done in almost the same style as the information Ballas presents to Hunhow in the sacrifice quest.

This style I think is also similar to the Jahu Gargoyle poster display in the market

It took yearsfor us to get the Earth and Murex consoles as decorations again from scarlet spear, so hopefully we don't have to wait that long for those glyphs.

[dark compass]

They said that it'll have returning stuff from previous operations

Having that pointed out probably means there's a bit more coming back

[novel escarp]

i hope this operation actually has more stuff so i can farm longer lol. The last unique one (not returning) was very lacking

[dark compass]

we must kill arcane energize prices even further

[burnt blade]

what are u gremlins scheming?

[burnt blade]

huh?

ok just dont eat after midnight

[stiff fable]

the picture more or less speaks for itself

energize used to be worth thousands of platinum

[burnt blade]

oh

[stiff beacon]

DE every main update

[dark compass]

Crying and being sad and hungry

And waiting for even lower energize prices

[burnt blade]

go eat then

just not after midnight

[dark compass]

I can fix the hole in my stomach, but not the hole in my soul

[eager briar]

I have no idea how but what if the scaldra managed to re-create the helminth strain and managed to turn one of their soldiers like Victor or something into the stalker protoframe

[dark compass]

They already tried to mess with it

[eager briar]

The devs are done with 1999. I feel like it would be cool if they added a Proto frame for stalker

[dark compass]

Have you seen the tank phase 2

[eager briar]

Try again

You’re in a time loop you have all the time you need to make it

Btw do the scaldra know of the loop or do only the hex know

[stiff fable]

I thought that was because some genius accidentally installed a techrot'd upgrade, not because it was a deliberate thing to use techrot

[strange plinth]

how would they get the batch to make a stalker proto to begin with

[strange plinth]

unclear. Viktor never acknowledges it in his yapping tmk, only says that rusalka disappeared

[eager briar]

What frames are unique one of the kinds and what frames are batches?

[stiff fable]

uhhhhh

[eager briar]

I know for sure that umbra is one of a kind, but what about something like dagath

[stiff fable]

All of them are technically batches, originally

[strange plinth]

most are mass-produced, few exceptions

[stiff fable]

It's just the ones that get changed after that turn out unique

For example, Lavos has a batch

But the Lavos we know and copy is an individual who moved beyond that

[strange plinth]

dagath is unique, but was copied at some point (similar to umbra)
we have access to the changed versions of lavos and voruna
kullervo could be either of the above
there's prolly more i'm forgetting

[dark compass]

Lavos without snakes is like an angel without its wings

[stiff fable]

So like, Valkyr, Revenant, Lavos, Voruna, Nokko

[strange plinth]

ah yeah them too

[stiff fable]

Sevagoth maybe? Still not sure if the shadow was originally part of his design

[dark compass]

Dagath too right?

[stiff fable]

Temple, Qorvex

Like GreyScale said, she was unique but was copied later

[dark compass]

Right

[strange plinth]

sevagoth is weird in general tbf
railjack captain, no detail on if he was gen 1 or 2, shadow was alive throughout the entire collapse

[stiff fable]

Also apparently the Tempestarii is alive/haunted/involved

Xaku falls into the same category as Dagath

[strange plinth]

stalker could be unique?
we've never gotten blueprints or any indication there were more tmk
-# no i don't count acolytes idk what the hell they are but i don't think the orokin made them

[eager briar]

I think it might just be coincidental that we never found stalker blueprints

I don’t think ballas hated him enough to give him a special frame

He had the same crime as Jade and she was a batch

[golden junco]

Actually have you ever noticed that every warframe blueprint is of a frame that has well shad the mortal coil

[celest needle]

I mean

they're warframes

[strange plinth]

he was a Low Guardian, though
idr if jade had a 'rank'

[celest needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068639836388458496/1252990706700521614/3x_10-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

they're practically lobotomized

[dark compass]

Just like me fr

[stiff beacon]

tbf it was either that or rhino prime

[golden junco]

Like every blueprint of a warframe is of a warframe that has died honorable, vanished off the face of the earth or blown up

[celest needle]

Died honorable yeah Jade had a really honorable fate when Ballas found out

[dark compass]

Is giving birth not honorable

[celest needle]

I mean the reason she was helminthed

[golden junco]

Technically speaking Ballad monologuing to Jade was how she figured out how to give birth to her child

[strange plinth]

i mean, like we were saying earlier, most frames were mass-produced
the ones we know have died/disappeared are a bit of an outlier

also kullervo is alive in duviri but we get his blueprint from there

[celest needle]

Kullevero vs Umbra in guilt and trauma contest

[golden junco]

True I'm just saying if we get stalker's blueprint after he bites it I wouldn't be surprised

[tall echo]

But... she wasn't

[eager briar]

If she wasn’t a batch then how can we get her blueprints?

[tall echo]

Bp doesn't = batch

Temple was a singular thing yet we have a bp

[strange plinth]

we get umbra's blueprints from the scans

[tall echo]

Bp just means the design exists which is. Obvious

[golden junco]

Supposedly Hunhow just happened upon Jade blueprint as stalker left his old base

[eager briar]

Speaking of hunhow why doesn’t he talk to us through nataruk it’s not a damaged version or creation like war/broken war. It’s an actual original piece of him.

Or if not talk at least track us

[strange plinth]

is it him? i thought he said it was 'kin'

[tall echo]

Yeah it's not made of him

[dark compass]

It's his bow child

His ugly bow shaped child

[strange plinth]

rude /s

[tall echo]

It's carved from dead sentients

[dark compass]

From his failure of a bow shaped son

[golden junco]

Oh cause Hunhow actually took enough damage himself that he is in essentially a state of "dying" and also pretty sure the bow is actually made from Erra who is technically in a "dead/possessed" state so yeah

[tall echo]

.no

[dark compass]

He just giga sprained his ankle and now chills at uranus

[strange plinth]

erra wasn't dead at the time, though

[tall echo]

No it's just made from generic dead sentients

[tall echo]

Wouldn't need to carve if it was already bow shaped

[dark compass]

He just wanted it to hurt

[stiff fable]

I find it really interesting that Nataruk's basically set up by Second Dream

"Natah, you trust this Orokin blood, who would chisel weapons from our bones?"

[golden junco]

Is bow actually made from dead sentients cause morbid cause couldn't the sentients pop another sentient core in a dead sentient body

[dark compass]

This is what happened

[stiff fable]

yeah descrption says it was

Sentient cores aren't really like cephalon cores

[tall echo]

That's not how sentients work

[stiff fable]

It's not their seat of intelligence(brain)

A sentient's mind is spread across their entire body

Most of the sentients you fight before New War are little pieces of Hunhow

[dark compass]

Aren't cores like glue to their parts

[stiff fable]

War was a big piece of Hunhow

[tall echo]

Sentients are almost hiveminds

[stiff fable]

we have no idea

An integral part of Vomvalysts and Teralysts, the exact function of this... device? Organ? is uncertain.

[dark compass]

Well they have balls flying around

[tall echo]

Ha

[golden junco]

Oh ok gotcha sentient are the entire thing not just a core

[stiff fable]

description probably should say "Sentient biology" instead of vom/terry

[dark compass]

Caliban also has balls flying around

[stiff fable]

which is worse because you're carving a weapon out of a person's tibia

[celest needle]

This device draws energy from Vomvalysts

[tall echo]

Silence, onkko

[eager briar]

Was hunhow the leader of the sentients or is he just the biggest one that survived this long?

[tall echo]

Yes

[celest needle]

Next, you attempt to take control of it.

[stiff fable]

He seems to have been the leader of the group that broke the peace

He made the plans and the others listened

[celest needle]

Hunhow the old peace?

[stiff fable]

Probably

[tall echo]

Hunhow's basically one of the first sentients iirc

[stiff fable]

Mind you, it's ALMOST certainly the Orokin who actually broke it

[stiff beacon]

including whatever the eidolon sentient is called

[stiff fable]

The plains sentient, yes

[north jolt]

I mean who tf else could it be

[stiff fable]

well that one went AWOL to get Temple Kuva

[golden junco]

I don't like what this sentient talk might mean for Aidis

[strange plinth]

both sides claim the other started the war

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-the-new-war-lotus-eidolon-natah-gif-24249935

[tall echo]

Wdym

[north jolt]

Yeah but we actually have pre established precedent for the Orokin being a bunch of conniving deceitful backstabbing fricks

[dark compass]

Turns out it was neither. It was us, in self defense

[stiff fable]

That's honestly my guess

Not in spirit of course

[tall echo]

Plot twist: margulis' ghost broke the peace

[north jolt]

At the very least the Orokin probably somehow designed the treaty to eventually fail

[stiff fable]

more reasons to murder the Orokin

They could have made Warframe Star Trek

[north jolt]

But cooler

[tall echo]

Star shrek

[north jolt]

Star Warframe

[stiff fable]

except with gender indeterminate robot farming equipment instead of Vulcans

Huge improvement ngl

[golden junco]

I just thinking Aidis is our buddy in the old peace update right, and it's been how long after that supposed time in the game universe, not one mention of him by the time the operator is remembering, doesn't that set off some red flags there

[strange plinth]

tau went silent after the old war

[stiff fable]

oh yeah no that kid absolutely got the chop

[dark compass]

Everything is fun until Adis says "hey kiddo"

[stiff fable]

I was going to ask who the worst person to get Wally'd would be

But congrats, you win

[dark compass]

[tall echo]

Didn't DE slip up and mention adis being present in tau 2026

[golden junco]

And f you for that potionetly idea in the back of DE heads

[stiff fable]

haven't seen it if so

[golden junco]

Or worse

[stiff fable]

Also, technically the Holdfasts are present on the Zariman.....

[lean garden]

I mean thats because the operator wouldnt have remembered until we shove the kid into the pool

[humble sierra]

Yeah, besides Operator, who has their memories locked, there doesn't seem to be anyone who would know Adis

[proper barn]

Maybe lotus.

And maybe some other sentients.

But otherwise no.

[humble sierra]

Lotus might know, but up until recently, she was somewhat against the Operator having their memories. Here it seems she's ripping the bandaid off.

[proper barn]

I think the ending of old peace is gonna be us seeing the lotus.

[humble sierra]

Has there been any dialogue or lore entries about "truth blooming"?

[proper barn]

Like "here's your new hanlder" and Ballas introducing us to lotus.

[proper barn]

Truthbloom I think is adias last name.

Could be wrong.

[humble sierra]

Yep, that's why I'm asking

[proper barn]

No. Other then the website and teasers.

[humble sierra]

I'm wondering if, like the Sentients quoting that religious text, they ever mentioned Truth Bloom

[blissful merlin]

It seems like adis doesn’t like to be called truth bloom. At least when we teased adis about it they were like “it’s ADIS”

[strange plinth]

adis is the first sentient we've seen with a last name, isn't he?
wonder if that's an usual thing for them or something. could be why he doesn't like it called out

[woven coyote]

now that you mention last names are somewhat uncommon huh

in warframe

[strange plinth]

very. its basically just entrati
idk if that's the only one or if i'm forgetting others
not counting the protos

[glacial bough]

There are others. The majority of the Corpus for one

[strange plinth]

ah yea, most of the named bosses have last names
-# i just don't remember them i guess.

[restive river]

Erra may have, he made Caliban so it just depends at what point he did that and what side he was on

[brittle siren]

<@&778745217037238293>

seem like they spam in other channel too

[raw stone]

In my eyes, it seems to me like Margulis should've been murdered after the Old Peace, along with Adis' death mobilizing sentient forces
Maybe, yes, Margulis' death breaks the peace (for The Tenno*) and brings back the old war. She seems oddly connected to the quest, even if its only one impact frame

Trying to find out the timeline sorta sucks ngl.
Also of every faction I have seen, only the Corpus and the Entrati clan have last names. Even then those might just be clan names rather than blood family names, especially so with the Corpus like how businesses would conglomerate together during a merger.

[lean garden]

it seems to me like Margulis should've been murdered after the Old Peace
IMO Margulis's death would fall in around the time the tenno were weaponised for the Warframe Project

[old wharf]

I just got done with the Chimera Prologue quest and I'm a bit confused: What was ballas talking about again?

like when he was ranting

[lean garden]

because thats how its presented to us in TSD, where we are shown the flashback of margulis being sent for execution, and then after that ballas talks about using the tenno for the warframe project

[lean garden]

yapping about the Lotus

or rather Natah

[lean garden]

Margulis' death breaks the peace (for The Tenno*) and brings back the old war
But regardless on when her death is, this doesnt make sense, it was the orokin who executed margulis, in Origin no less. Why would the Old Peace, which has a whole rebellion in Tau, collapse because of Orokin internal affairs?

[ashen pulsar]

space mom

[ashen pulsar]

someone did say something interesting a bit ago about how, if dax can’t refuse orokin commands, does that imply orokin are orchestrating the rebellion?

[lean garden]

what do you think roathe is for?

https://tenor.com/view/the-fall-guy-title-card-ryan-gosling-emily-blunt-tomsj2005-gif-10684406919513106537

[ashen pulsar]

is that what he is? I know nothing about him

[lean garden]

thats fine, not everyone keeps tabs on the marketting

but uh, have you ever asked yourself why uriel is on the title art for old peace

[ashen pulsar]

no

[lean garden]

then ask

[ashen pulsar]

he didn’t answer

[strange turtle]

Maybe Ha will

[abstract ridge]

I saw a theory saying uriel is the leader of the separatists which is why he’s holding that flag in the title art he might be referring to that but idk

[fast dew]

Mmm.

We got confirmation that Roathe tried to ||overthrow the government and is Uriel himself...||

[abstract ridge]

when did we learn that was it in the dev stream?

the overthrowing the government I mean ik roathe is uriel

[fast dew]

Devstream overview or whatever

[celest needle]

Leave it to DE to spoil the update themselves

[fast dew]

Yeah lol it was funny

Still no indication of what the last random kimchat will be

Delusional thomas is hoping its Loid

[celest needle]

Adis

[digital ore]

has there been any....updates on whats going on with the grineer queens since we killed one of them?

[spice spade]

Outside of the surviving one mocking us during conjunction survival... I don't think so

[digital ore]

dang..wish they'd update us on that

[spice spade]

There's a lot of 'loose ends'... tbh

[celest needle]

I mean
for all purposes she is dead

the surviving one is doing her job and really she doesn't need to go from there

[spice spade]

I meant with pazuul and other things

[fast dew]

Nah, someone specifically related to Albrecht, enough to use the eye of entrati as its symbol. It could be a placeholder for the triad's group chat, but its unlikely that every other place where the triad has their own symbol, the group chat just doesn't yet

[ashen pulsar]

worm is chilling and spawning liches

[celest needle]

I'm betting on group chat

[celest needle]

"Huh this tenno seems really keen on having their liches use a Kuva Brahm."

"Make it 14% Element"

[violet storm]

4 days left

[fast dew]

Ehh, the triad has their symbol, its everywhere but that specific one, so i don't think it would be

[ashen pulsar]

14?!?? THIS IS CHILD ABUSE

[spice spade]

Oh... on the topic of kuva liches... what's their in lore reason for creation? I know Parvos has his sisters for reasons, that I forget... but why does the queen need a lich?

[ashen pulsar]

to target tenno

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-excalibur-cupcake-frosting-gif-13509643184326536263

[violet storm]

Queen needed a way to handle Tenno, clearly didn’t go as planned

[digital ore]

....how...old are Grineer...
like do their birthdays start when they born....or

....star wars clone flashbacks
....abandons missions

[ashen pulsar]

liches also make them money

from theft

[fast dew]

You can see the triad's symbol elsewhere but that last chat

[celest needle]

Pazuuls working on something and gathering energy for it but for now he's in status quo just reviving his archons every week and holding strongholds on Venus, Earth and Mars

[violet storm]

They don’t last too long from the lich cutscene. How long do they last, we don’t know, not long though

[fast dew]

It also lacks a name, tor some reason

[violet storm]

The bottom chat is Lua
Second Top is sol
Middle have no clue
Top is Entrati Eye

[celest needle]

After the death of the elder queen the sister had the bright idea of using Kuva on regular grineer and putting them into Kuva Liches which are heavily modified and strong Grineer clones which are comparable to Tenno in terms of power

[fast dew]

Lyon is rhe bottom chat, roathe is the middle, marie is the top, and the eye of entrati isn't known

In the two times we've seen that kim system, we've never seen that

[ashen pulsar]

isn’t the eye eleanor’s pfp

[violet storm]

The Elder Queen died, worm is still living

[fast dew]

No

[celest needle]

Oh right

[tall echo]

They live about 30-40 years on average

[fast dew]

Eleanor's is a chalice or something

[spice spade]

Oh, that makes sense... with the kuva liches becoming available after we kill one of the queens

[ashen pulsar]

maybe i’m thinking of her quick travel logo

[spice spade]

Probably as long as there's no Tenno scum

[fast dew]

I personally think if its not a groupchat, its Loid on Albrecht's account. Would make sense for him to have one, he is right next to the one the triad use anyways

[dark compass]

Entrati chat!!!

[tall echo]

Yeah tenno casualties are excluded or the average would almost dip into negatives

[dark compass]

You send messages to Albrecht and he just never replies

[celest needle]

He sends you Cryptic Messages

[dark compass]

No he just leaves you on read

[celest needle]

In voidtongue

[fast dew]

Loid chat please god let me learn more about Loid

[dark compass]

And the only time he replies is when the tau update drops

[tall echo]

Albrecht wouldn't use that

[dark compass]

And there's only two words in that message

[fast dew]

I want to know if the joke of him making the 1999/cavia floofs is gonna be canon

[dark compass]

It's "dump it"

[tall echo]

Dump what

[fast dew]

The stock market

[spice onyx]

You think we will at one point get to know more about the seven Orokin emperors?

[tall echo]

We know how 5/7 died

Or "died"

Emperors=executors

[fast dew]

This image haunts me

[violet storm]

Karrish got eaten, Ballas got reduced to nothing, no clue on the others

[spice onyx]

The emperors? How? I only found mention of them in passing, the emperors are different from the executors or was that retconned?

[fast dew]

So instead, look at this

Look how epic that looks

[tall echo]

Tuvul, nihil, synthesis entry

[tall echo]

They aren't different

[fast dew]

Avantus or whatever her name is

[violet storm]

Tuvul got shredded by Voruna, Nihil is glassed

[tall echo]

Avantgarde yeah

[fast dew]

Got her spine ripped out? Or like. Something to do with the spine

[fast dew]

Nihil is still alive, just stuck in the toob imo

[tall echo]

Avici got sawed in the back with a proto ghoulsaw

[spice onyx]

At one point they were in lore

[violet storm]

Oh I know, trust me, he don’t shut up

[spice onyx]

Hence executors for the seven guys executing their will

[tall echo]

In one ancient line and never mentioned again

[fast dew]

Then stop tapping the toob 😭

[spice onyx]

That ancient line is what is my „current“ lore 😂

Need to start the New War soon lol

[tall echo]

For all intense purposes emperors=executors

[fast dew]

They're used interchangeably

[spice spade]

Me who still hasn't gotten the toob from nightwave Wha?

[tall echo]

Once

[tall echo]

It's interactable

[fast dew]

Yeah

[violet storm]

Interact with it without the entry thing, he talks

[fast dew]

He also has a bossfight behind another nightwave item

[spice spade]

Is the boss fight even good?

[fast dew]

Its fun, but annoying

[tall echo]

You paid zero attention if some ancient line I don't even remember is still your current lore at that point

[fast dew]

But the weapon it drops is cool

[tall echo]

Cook

[fast dew]

Im exploding your gallbladder./j

[tall echo]

I'm a cephalon

[spice spade]

Cause I haven't gotten the toob or the entry thing from nightwave... but it there's a cool weapon, I might do it

[tall echo]

It's a good greatsword

[spice onyx]

That‘s harsh when there‘s been no indication that the executors are interchangeble with the emperors up to and including the Sacrifice

[spice spade]

Melee? My favorite!

[tall echo]

Emperors never being used again should've been a hint

[fast dew]

Uhhh I'll pour hot water over the glass cube on a super cold day and watch it shatter

[tall echo]

I'm not ordis

And the "glass" isn't physical

[spice onyx]

I mean, as I said, I‘m up to the Sacrifice because I took a 7 year break from the game 🤷

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-26438788

[spice onyx]

Also in that passing line it was mentioned that the emperors are not public facing like at all

[tall echo]

My extremely direct tone is probably coming across as hostile again

[fast dew]

Nah

[tall echo]

Doesn't help that I'm a bit physically exhausted rn

[fast dew]

Not to me at least

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-consumes-me-christmas-santa-gif-4593896469233522859

[spice onyx]

Me too 🤷

[fast dew]

I am incredibly tone deaf so don't trust me for that tho

[spice onyx]

I was just curious because I liked the concept of shadowy emperors

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[celest needle]

Ya'll talkative

[tall echo]

Where is that line I genuinely don't remember

[fast dew]

Lyon rn

[tall echo]

You just don't talk enough

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-jolly-cat-voices-the-voices-gif-16511308824253352356

[tall echo]

Yeah the concept basically got yeeted as quickly as it was introduced

[fast dew]

I mean, the orokin empire does suggest that there's emperors, no?

[tall echo]

The executors are the emperors

[spice onyx]

So I believe it was in one Stalker codex entry

[dark compass]

The empecutors

The exemperors

[tall echo]

The title of the emperor isn't always emperor, ironically

[spice onyx]

The Tenno appeared at the Terminus, gleaming and victorious. Our cold and gold Emperors, breathless, bathed you in saviour's silk

This is from the Stalker codex

[tall echo]

-# sometimes it's "king"

[dark compass]

Sometimes it's nuclearBox

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-charge-boss-kitten-im-the-boss-im-in-control-boss-cat-gif-20380951

[tall echo]

Sometimes it's nyx
-# this is a reference only thomas might get

[spice onyx]

Also the description for Targis Prime that released with Nyx:

This highly decorated armor was once worn by the personal guards of an Orokin Emperor

[tall echo]

Oh two lines

[spice onyx]

Yep 😂

[tall echo]

I gotta read more item descriptions

[spice onyx]

It‘s super inconsistent what gets a description and what not

[dark compass]

After playing dark souls for so long I either read item descriptions immediately or my head explodes

[tall echo]

I stopped doing that bc there's usually no lore in them in wf

Soulframe though, void have mercy

[spice onyx]

Yeah, feels like for 1 lore description the next 20 don‘t, in WF that is

[hollow siren]

Woe, niche old item description be upon you

At least it's not like Genshin where every item has a short initial description and then a true description that's usually like 200+ words long

[tall echo]

In soulframe literally everything has lore, it's great

[fast dew]

As the local doom fan i can say the weapons do sometimes have lore associated

[tall echo]

Only sometimes? Weak

[fast dew]

I say sometimes bcs its like. Well yeah the lore is how it works, sometimes its pretty easy to understand how a shotgun works lol

[tall echo]

W e a k .

[celest needle]

Dark Souls

[dark compass]

Who in their right mind would bother carrying this around? Perhaps you need help.

[raw stone]

Obvs, Group, Marie, Roathe, Lyon.

We're likely getting a syndication chat with the triad like hex's syndication chat.

[fast dew]

Nup, wouldn't make sense with the eye of entrati as its symbol

[fast dew]

We don't have syndicates in either part of the old peace

Thats why its unlikely to me

[raw stone]

Womp womp. Group chat for the quartet now.

[fast dew]

... wdym womp womp?

It doesn't make sense..?

[raw stone]

Since we're technically now involved with them.

[fast dew]

They have their own symbol. Like the hex. Why isn't it using that then?

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

We don't have syndicates, not the triad not the old peace, so rankup convos probably won't happen

[hollow siren]

mfw DS1 coin descriptions

[dark compass]

Push someone in a privy; expect to get dung on your hands.

[strange turtle]

eat the dung

[raw stone]

-# You know its a test build right?

Might legitimately be a "We haven't uploaded the file to this slot" thing

But I still stand by the rank up conversations. Cause I'm pretty sure if it exists there's gonna be milestones.

[fast dew]

Rank up how? We don't have syndicates for this update.

[celest needle]

Syndicate death 💔

[raw stone]

What other frame of reference do you see for this group chat's usage.

[fast dew]

I mean, outside the load information, it doesn't seem to be. Its not a screenie from the devstream either, its from the update site.

Considering that a group chat would be really stupid considering the triad are using the singular pom-2 in the sanctum.

[glacial bough]

<@&778745217037238293>

[tall echo]

Wow we summoned the mods everywhere

[spice spade]

(Are the mods on break?)

[hasty tree]

I guess so

[bleak yacht]

Rap tap tap

[summer cape]

[celest needle]

[dark compass]

The mod in the wall

[proper barn]

i forgot the mute thing was there cuz i turned off all voice lmao.

[rose estuary]

Is this edited?

This has to be edited

[stiff fable]

of course

[rose estuary]

Ok I thought so lol

[lilac aspen]

No it’s clearly real/j

[humble sierra]

Where is this? Drifter UI says Duviri but I've played so much of it and I've never seen it before

[strange plinth]

i haven't either wth?

[fast dew]

Mm. Maybe the actual duviri quest? It aint my actual screenie, its my mate's

[strange plinth]

oh maybe. the little reflection scene

[wicked birch]

Can someone in 2-3 short sentences explain why the next Expansion is important? I am not a lore guy so I know nothing about what is going on.

[fast dew]

It definitely is, there's the purple light thing

[silk atlas]

Well if you don't know about why everything from TNW forward was important, then it's not really something to condense is a couple sentences.

[stiff fable]

Two part answer

First, the enemy that the Warframes were created to fight are from a different solar system, Tau

For years DE have been toying with the idea of us going there, and we're now going to see it through memories

This leads to the second part

The Old War almost ended peacefully, with all factions agreeing to stop fighting and to work together as one nation

We did not know this at all.

[strange plinth]

the old peace contains something relating to albrecht ("only way we find Al-" said by lotus) and is a portion of the old war we weren't previously aware of
we're following albrecht as he seems to have the best plan for dealing with the man in the wall
drifter already has a reason to go to tau ("Tau is in sight"), the old peace is operator's reason

[proper barn]

Hello Shadow ranger. The old war is where most pore comes from. Like it's when the warframes and everything are made. Also tau is where the sentients (the people we fought in the old war and new war.) Live. So having a quest during the old war in tau is very important.

[wicked birch]

Warhammer's lore is somehow easier for me to understand.

So we are going to Tau to wipe the enemies or just because we want to?

[ashen pulsar]

we aren’t going anywhere yet

[proper barn]

Okay Old Peace is FLASHback. To during the old war.

It's where all the sentients live.

You know the lotus and hunhow?

And the big ships in the new war. Those are sentients. They are from tau.

They where WHY the warframes where made ti fight the sentients.

[strange plinth]

we have no idea what is left of modern tau, we'll be going there because albrecht went there

[ashen pulsar]

we’re learning about our history with tau by uncovering suppressed memories. We aren’t going to tau yet.

[proper barn]

Also maybe right help current sentients.

Cuz its been over 1000 years.

With no contact

Anything could have happened.

[fast dew]

Well, we don't know for sure if he's there, i think he's gonna let us find the way there and follow us

[proper barn]

We might fight Wally there

We might just help the sentients.

[ashen pulsar]

don’t think sentients exactly enjoy our company

[proper barn]

Melpomene. We haven't interacted with tau since before the old war ended.

Cuz the sentients would have to use the solar rail to invade.

[ashen pulsar]

sure but the sentients ain’t just gonna forgive us because it’s been a while

[proper barn]

Are you sure?

[ashen pulsar]

if they hated us then, why wouldn’t they hate the exact same people

[proper barn]

They might just hate the orokin.

Also it's been so long.

[strange plinth]

its been a while of no contact between the two

[proper barn]

Like after a 1000 years the origin system changed so much. The orokin are but a memory.

[ashen pulsar]

To humans sure

[proper barn]

Also

I feel like the Lotus might work with Hunhow

To be like "HEY WE COOL"

cuz hunhow is cool with us after the stalker quest.

Or even in the new war he's like "I'll help you cuz i care about my daughter and these grudges are very old."

Like he talks to stalker in jade shadows like he's a old homophobic grandpa that meet his gay grandson and now he doesn't hate gay people anymore and he's telling his best friend to get fashion advice from his grandson.

[silk atlas]

Did we forget the fact that Hunhow mistook Alad V as an Orokin because they just did not know and/or care about the fall.

[proper barn]

Hunhow the destroyer of worlds the architect of the old war and had made the plan to kill all tenno.

[strange plinth]

hunhow was 'asleep' for that time, no?

[proper barn]

Is now like telling his best friend "just go talk to um they will help come on dawg."

You're telling me

That he hasn't changed his mind greatly?

[silk atlas]

Yeah but there has been absolutely no communication with Tau since then so why would there be any expectations that the Tau Sentients would've changed their minds on wanting to kill off the Tenno

The only reason he changed his mind was because he realized how stupid it was getting and how Ballas was pulling strings everywhere to get what he wanted.

[silk atlas]

Yeah and he was just as ready to rip up everyone's faces as he was before, ergo, he hadn't had his change of heart.

[proper barn]

I'm saying we get Lotus and Hunhow to radio in it will be FINE.

[silk atlas]

That's the kind of thing that starts a coup from the people who still would want to go to war. Things didn't suddenly just become fine in Sol because the Orokin are dead. Earth's still mucked up and all that

[stiff fable]

Destroying the Orokin left chaos behind

The life of the average citizen in the Origin System is meaningfully worse now and that's on us

But it's better overall because Orokin dominion over humanity was unacceptable

But also yes the Sentients don't care and want to genocide humanity, not just the Orokin

they don't care about the distinction

[silk atlas]

Honestly what's even the chain of command with the Sentients, now that I say that? Like, yeah Hunhow is a pretty big name, but that's also because we only really know about the Sentients they sent to fight us. It's basically like thinking some random military general in a specific conflict is El Presidente of the entire nation, or in this case, solar system.

[stiff fable]

as far as we know there was some sort of Lords of Tau, then the Archons/Beasts, then the "normal" Sentients

[restive river]

Weren’t him and Praghasa pretty big names for the sentients?

[silk atlas]

I don't remember

[fast dew]

Weren't they the literal ships that first went to tau or nah

[restive river]

Praghasa maybe was but I don’t think we actually know tbh

Considering the world seeder egg’s size I do wonder if they used that or built it when they got there

[fast dew]

Eggy

[dark compass]

Egg...

[humble sierra]

Maybe the World Seeder are the wombs they so often refer to? It seemed full of egg sacs.

[stiff beacon]

i mean makes sense if the terraforming process was supposed to be like: world seeder lands a beach head, sentients spawn from it and begin work etc

[humble sierra]

Yeah, but I guess they were terraforming before Sentients

[north skiff]

Do we know where in the timeline the old peace takes place?

[humble sierra]

"During the old war" but not much more than that

Obviously after they realized the Warframes needed Operators

[north skiff]

So during the old war but before the fall of the orkin right?

[stiff beacon]

yes

also i'd like to point out we don't know how long the old war was

[lilac aspen]

Questions that lead to more questions
I have a feeling old peace will do this

Though it will probably answer some questions

[north skiff]

I just realized something

I hope the tenno didn't mess up two star systems

I mean we "messed up the origin system for the better so...

[restive river]

We’ll find out for Tau but in terms of messed-nessed that’s mostly the Orokin
Same for the Origin System, while we did throw the system into chaos the other option was. Terrible

Like it says something that the unbalanced chaos we now maintain is better than the entirety of the Orokin Empire

[north skiff]

If ballas is anything to go by the orkin must have been bad

[north skiff]

True

[restive river]

Oh they were like
All bad
A class of egotistical maniacs who largely lacked basic human empathy
Also most stuff they did backfired on them lmao

[north skiff]

Case in point making bio drones with power kids

[restive river]

Sentients? Took too long and then rebelled
Zariman? Iirc some rebellion and then the accident
The Warframes? Went feral/did an insurrection
The Infested? Modified it (they didnt make it) and ofc that didnt go well, it’s the infested
And ofc the Tenno

[north skiff]

Hmm

And that probably just what we know so far

[restive river]

Yeah lol

[lilac aspen]

Waiter waiter
More trauma please

[restive river]

Oh and ofc Albtecht tries to make the void useful and
Now we have wally

[restive river]

Come back in 4 days

[lilac aspen]

Truly
A painful wait

[waxen mesa]

So what was Entrati's plan in 1999? Was it really just that he thought 1999 had the key to controlling the giant statue things

[fast dew]

Nah, that was us, he didn't know of us specifically

1999 was for him to distract wally from Loid

[waxen mesa]

I mean he knew that an operator would show up didn't he

[fast dew]

At least the last time was

[fast dew]

He didn't seem to fully trust it. There's a line loid has in the mirror defense section of whispers about if we never showed up

[silk atlas]

No, he was staying in 1999 to stall out Wally while he (likely) cooked up some other plan, with the reactor exploding being his fallback.

[waxen mesa]

did the 1899 stuff happen before or after the events of The Hex

or do we not know

like was 1899 a response to the Drifter showing up or was that just Alberecht having some fu n

[restive river]

Wr don’t know why hr went to 1999
The vessels were a sorta happy accident

[restive river]

We don’t know, iirc the Hex were the first so the Triad likely came after with him establishing his exile prior to the Hex

[silk atlas]

Yes we do? At least why he went to stay the final time. Not sure about why he was going back and forth before that besides making the Vessels.

[restive river]

We don’t know why he initially went there

The literal closest thing we have is his equations
And I think a log that’s mostly vague

[silk atlas]

Gotcha

[fast dew]

The vessels came after the first visit, loid pointed it out to him after

[restive river]

Ye

It sounds like he kept going to different 99s
Established the exile in 1899
Got to 1998-1999, made the Hex
Made other protos
Made the vessels
Then took his final trip to 1999, specifically staying in a time loop on new years

[fast dew]

Something Something we end as we began

[restive river]

Ye

[fast dew]

Ouroboros or whatever

[restive river]

Maybe!

[fast dew]

Considering its connections to alchemy, its not too strange to see something so similar here

[restive river]

Watch Albrecht be compared to a snake
Iirc Wally’s compared to a spider?

[restive river]

Oh for sure, I do hope we see it
Maybe we get a special weapon based on it

A glaive that’s a snake eating itself would go crazy

[fast dew]

I literally only made the ouroboros connection yesterday cuz TOOL had it on their displays for their set lol

[restive river]

Unfortunately he was not part of the seven so no special sword, maybe

[waxen mesa]

I mean the spider warframe comes from fighting the wall-possessed Rusalka right?

[restive river]

Oraxia’s origins are unknown but she was meant to protect scholar’s landing
WallNeci tricked her into fighting against us

[waxen mesa]

well that was rude of them

[restive river]

Also in the 1999 arg there’s a reference to Anansi at the end

[fast dew]

Spider... like a black widow and the stuff around it, like Rulsalka is

[restive river]

Who, iirc, is a story god who’s a spider or connected to them
Idr unfortunately, I mostly just remember the spider connection lol

[restive river]

Potentially on purpose
DE is really good at theming their updates lol

[fast dew]

Mm. It is nice

Cept oraxia isnt based on a black widow/redback

She's based on a horned orb weaver

[restive river]

Her being a spider works with the anansi connection and iirc Wally being the spider in Neci’s story

[stiff beacon]

honestly DE needs to make another spider frame soley based of the new castle big boy

[restive river]

You can just stretch the black widow one cause
Spider
And
Ig people thought she was attractive, similar to Neci?

[fast dew]

Specifically killing after relations

[restive river]

Ye

[fast dew]

Or using her assets as a tool, like neci does

[restive river]

If we get another spider like frame it’ll prob be more void oriented tbh, watch em be called Anansi and made by Walldo

[fast dew]

Ballas's body CE'd into a spider frame

[restive river]

Ew no

I’d willingly let myself die in missions if I had to play as him

Which
So glad he didnt die in the void

[fast dew]

Same

[tall echo]

Eeeeh I'd rather have a fun weapon class represent ouroboros...

A SAW

[restive river]

Soulframe saturn hula hoop weapon

[tall echo]

We need more saws

[restive river]

Yeah

[tall echo]

And a good saw

[restive river]

We do
But I don’t think ouroboros would fit that

[tall echo]

I mean

Ouroboros spins. Saw spins

Perfect fit

[stiff beacon]

pov: DE adds a regular chainsaw from 1999 with the assualt saw stance

result: goofiest shit ever

[tall echo]

That would be uncomfortable considering you stand on the "guard" of the saw in the forward block attack

A regular chainsaw wouldn't have that

[stiff beacon]

nah

trust

[ashen pulsar]

but a modded one would

[stiff beacon]

a regular gas powered chainsaw

made for civilian use

as an assualt saw

would be funny

if not down right horrendously goofy

[tall echo]

I'd rather have a dagger with a unique stance that acts like the ripper from fallout

...exalted dagger

I could do something with that

[ashen pulsar]

we do need more assault saws

infested coda saw?

[tall echo]

Motovore should've been that

[lilac aspen]

Chainsaw Exalted

You could say
Chainsaw Warframe

Pochita-Frame

[tall echo]

Ew no that's basic

[lilac aspen]

Okay but
Chainsaw moves

[fast dew]

Thats the doom chainsaw!

It do be just a regular ass chainsaw

[fallen sun]

I have a very New War-spoilery question but I’m not sure where to post it. Here?

[strange plinth]

yea

here or #spoiler-chat, really

[fallen sun]

When I’m asked to choose Drifter or Operator what are the consequences of my choice?

[humble sierra]

The next 5 minutes of gameplay

[strange plinth]

just who you will play as for the rest of the quest

[restive river]

It’s just deciding who finishes the quest

[humble sierra]

Both will have the same abilities as the Operator

[strange plinth]

you'll be able to swap between the two later

[fallen sun]

Okay so there’s nothing I’ll be locked out of then

[restive river]

Post quest you can swap

[humble sierra]

I think it's just that the Drifter has a different amp

[restive river]

Nope!

[fallen sun]

Kk thanks gang

Also…

This game is amazing

[restive river]

Operator and Drifter have different hitboxes and that’s it lol

[fallen sun]

Like this is seriously one of the craziest and most impressive storytelling experiences I’ve had in a game in a loooooong time

[restive river]

And it’s free

[fallen sun]

I had literally no clue Warframe even had lore let alone this

[humble sierra]

And there's still about 3 hours more of currently-out quests that you can play after this

[fallen sun]

I’m so stoked

[strange plinth]

and more soon !

[ashen pulsar]

just 3?

zariman is roughly 30 mins, jade is ~30 mins, hex is ~1.5 hrs, whispers is ~30 mins, duviri paradox (if not alr done) is a lil over an hr iirc and lotus eaters is like 10 mins

totals to around 4, huh I thought it was more

[stiff beacon]

duviri

[ashen pulsar]

?

[stiff beacon]

is longer then 1 hr and a bit

its like 2 hrs

[ashen pulsar]

ah ok

thats where I was off

[stiff beacon]

zariman is 1hr

[ashen pulsar]

is it?

[stiff beacon]

as well

yea

[ashen pulsar]

mb then

[stiff beacon]

well it feels longer then jade shadows

[ashen pulsar]

thats closer to what I thought

from yt vids seems like its 30-40 mins

so its like 5 and a half hours that feels better

[viscid kettle]

THE CAKE IS A LIE! A LIE I TELL YOU!

okay but seriously whats the lore behind square sphaghetti

[strange plinth]

you had an earlier chat about it, if you got that dialogue
arthur tried to replicate the food on the zariman (cubes.) and made spaghetti using gelatin to hold it in shape. it was very bouncy and had an awful texture, according to drifter

[strange turtle]

Before. Roathe gets sent to 1899 around the Old Peace, while Albrecht goes to 1999 the final time and Loid goes to sleep after the Old War has started back up

[restive river]

He could have Protoframed Roathe when he was going back and fourth tbh

[keen echo]

Podskazhite pozhaluysta kak svyazatsya s razrabotchikami?Igre pochti 20 let a yest' polomki v elementarnykh veshchakh.. Neskol'ko dney farmlyu Echoes of the Abyss dlya povysheniya urovnya reputatsii u Loyda a ona ne pribavlyayetsya a stanovitsya bol'she raznitsa mezhdu tem skol'ko u menya yest' i skol'ko nuzhno dlya povysheniya urovnya
Could you please tell me how to contact the developers? The game is almost 20 years old, but there are still some basic issues. I've been farming ECHOES OF THE ABYSS for a few days to increase my reputation with Lloyd, but it's not increasing, and the gap between how much I have and how much I need to level up is getting bigger.

[strange turtle]

Yeah thats, what I said

They’re talking about The Hex as in, the quest The Hex

[lean garden]

Who wants to bet credits that someone might be playing the wrong mission type

[hidden glade]

its barely over halfway to 20 years old, but youll need to gather some evidence of this happening through screenshots or recordings in order for anyone to help. if it is actually a bug and not a misunderstanding, then the Forums are your best bet. direct contact to the developers is unrealistic for every single players problem.

[strange turtle]

Idr any Echoes of the Abyss and it doesn’t even seem to exist, unless its a bounty name

[hidden glade]

my assumption is a translation error

[lean garden]

its whispers in the walls based on who theyre talking about

[eager dragon]

Maybe the Abyssal Zone? Not sure how that relates to Loid.

But yeah, probably translation error.

[naive frigate]

How long has it been since the empire fell?

[eager dragon]

I believe it was stated somewhere that the Tenno were asleep for 1000 years, but because I'm working of off memory, take it with a grain of salt.

[south sun]

It's been all kept pretty vague, and intentionally so.

[magic dagger]

We don't know how much time is between many of the huge events exactly

[south sun]

The Earth itself, from the space-view, has everything looking very "modern" and that has survived through multiple Starchart overhauls.

So it isn't long enough to cause any major plate-shifts.

[stiff beacon]

best guess 1000 - 2000 years is the amount of time the tenno were inactive

[naive frigate]

Do our tenno not age then?

[stiff beacon]

cryopods

[naive frigate]

Ah

[south sun]

Though still weird how the entire coastlines across the world are still current-era.

Realistically, all of that should have changed drastically by even 300 years.

[stiff beacon]

plus idk if the tenno can age

[eager dragon]

I'm just going to assume that the Orokin did something to pause plate tectonics or something along those lines.

Minimise earthquakes/volcanoes

Not like there was an ecosystem left to impact, anyways.

[naive frigate]

Or its just something that DE didnt put much thought into lol

[eager dragon]

Well, yes, but that's the boring answer.

[south sun]

It is just weird it has survived multiple star charts. And even any Earth deco.

Then again, the other planets don't make sense either, like Venus, lol.

[eager dragon]

Yeah but Venus in particular is intentional, if you are refering to it being snowy.

[south sun]

It should at the very least be different than our current real-world Venus.

[eager dragon]

You can even see the mirror that redirects sunlight in the beginning of missions.

[naive frigate]

I have some strong opinions on stuff like this. I hate it when stuff is made cannon just for the sake of it. Sometimes, imo, its better to just say "its a mistake" than to cannonise all that we see. Starwars does this a ton and i hate it. You have like one alien from a 20 year old move that just so happens to have different hands to the rest of that same species (because the costume makers were just making a funny alien and not thinking about it much) and now these days, that entire thing that was originally just a mistake has been turned into a full subspecies in the lore lol. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk

[south sun]

Yeah, but I'm talking about from the space-view.

[eager dragon]

Ah, fair enough.

[south sun]

Should be a giant dirt-ball 😛

[eager dragon]

I can see where you are coming from, although personally I prefer having mistakes be canonised as long as they don't conflict with established lore. It's all opinion based, in the end though, so it's more than fair enough to think something different.

[naive frigate]

One more offtopic question. The stalker. He basically works the same as our umbra right? His mind is still basically intact?

[hollow siren]

Stalker is an Original and is sentient, yes

not Sentient, mind you

[naive frigate]

Yet another question lol: Were most original warframes mass produced?

[hollow siren]

From what we can assume, yes. Most started with an Original, but Blueprints were usually made from that Original

[south sun]

Though it still gets weird.

Valkyr was basically made from Alad who based designs off of Valkyr Prime.

[hollow siren]

The Valkyr that Alad skinned was Valkyr Gersemi

[south sun]

Geresmi is the pre-Alad design oddly enough

[eager dragon]

Yeah, Alad V took Geresmi's skin, used it for Zanuka, and sold the rest as Valkyr.

[naive frigate]

I was under the impression the there were many "originals" of the same warframe. I thought the orokin custom made infestation strains, tested and modified them till they got the attributes they wanted. Then when a warframe was made, they would take multiple victims to make essentially copies of that warframe. I thought only now that we have basically lost the tech to create new strains, we as the player have to use blueprints to mimic the original warframes. (And obviously we wouldnt make new warframes even if we had the tech because we are the good guys and making new frames isnt very ethical lol)

[hollow siren]

There were many originals of some frames, yes, but fabricated copies like we have were also a thing

Stalker is an Excalibur, for example

but then there's also the Original of some frames, like the very first Excalibur ever made

[naive frigate]

So stalker is an "original" excalibur? Aka: a guy that got infected with the excalibur strain. But then some other dax that was also infected with that same strain is also an "original" excalibur? Same as Authur from 1999?

Also, do we know 100% that stalker is an excal? I know he has the same model, but is that a lore thing as well?

[hollow siren]

The game mostly uses the term "originals" to refer to actual people injected with the Helminth strain, yeah (as opposed to fabricated copies like the ones we make in our Foundry)

[hollow siren]

The model is the lore, especially considering the Acolytes share his helmet but have the bodies of different Warframes (nothing confirmed as to what exactly it means, but it could be they were also Low Guardians before being framed)

[naive frigate]

So in conclusion: The orokin did make many original warframes of the same frame/strain sometimes. But they also utilized cloning to create copies of those same frame like we do.

[hollow siren]

Yes, the cloning can be assumed to have come about when Transference began being used for Warframes

[naive frigate]

Heres a weird question: Are there any aliens in warframe? (besides the man in the wall. If you can count that.)

[ashen pulsar]

ig the infestation isn’t alien

[naive frigate]

no

The only thing that i can think of is the wildlife on the planets, but im pretty sure most of those are man made

[eager dragon]

All of them are man made

[pallid spoke]

Warframe has no aliens, everything is either human in origin, or made by humans.

[eager dragon]

There are no aliens in Warframe, to our knowledge

[pallid spoke]

That was a very specific design choice in their writing.

[eager dragon]

Even Wally is only partially alien, as he technically came about due to human influence (Albrecht)

[naive frigate]

Even that we dont know yet tbf. Maybe the man in the wall turns out to be man made lol. (that would be a bit lame)

[eager dragon]

From my understanding Albrecht basically conceptually-embodied his fear of an alien entity within the Void when he stepped into the Void, so he is technically man-made.

Of course, it's never been confirmed out right that it was conceptual embodiment and not some other weird property of the Void, but I like this theory the most.

The main thing is that he didn't exist "before" Albrecht entered the Void (although the nonlinearity of the Void makes defining the "before" rather difficult)

[stiff beacon]

we don't really know where it came from outside of some clues in 1999

and some other info from around the game

so it being an alien plague is a possibilty

[undone eagle]

At the end of the second dream quest when the chosen warframe destroys the sword impaling it (hunhow?), does the warframe come back to life momentarily or is the operator controlling it remotely?

[hidden glade]

if you've completed the Sacrifice quest it makes more sense, but it's the Warframe

the Operator cannot use transference to the Warframes without the Somatic Link until the War Within quest, much later

[undone eagle]

I just completed the second dream

[magic dagger]

It's the Warframe itself acting in that moment

[eager dragon]

I mean, it could be foreshadowing for that though

A sort of subconscious push

[spice onyx]

Isn‘t it confirmed by Rell that Wally is ancient?

[hidden glade]

its extremely unlikely when such a simple answer is also right there in front of us

[eager dragon]

"Ancient" is difficult to define when the Void is involved

[spice onyx]

Also what is „ancient“ to a kid

When we don‘t have any frame of reference

[hidden glade]

yes theoretically, DE did not spell it out for us word for word so I guess there is a technicality that it could be some kind of panicked connection, but when The Sacrifice reinforces frame autonomy it much more so favours this explanation when it comes to foreshadowing future quests

[eager dragon]

I dunno, it seems very unlikely to me that the warframe had any sort of consciousness left in it considering we never see these second-generation frames ever exhibiting sentience.

Other than the animations, which are more an influence on the Operator/Drifter

[hidden glade]

its only when given such an extreme cause

for the frames we use, we calmed their trauma, whatever issues they had before we reconstructed them was brought to peace, so they go dormant

frames with goals or unresolved traumas still maintain autonomy: Umbra, being the most obvious for one we reconstructed, but other before they died like Jade, Dante, Kullervo, etc

[eager dragon]

Right, but those were all gen-1 frames that could act autonomously. When we get the blueprints, those are no longer conscious.

The exception is Umbra due to his special Transference bolt.

[hidden glade]

Umbra's bolt gave him memory

[eager dragon]

And that memory is what gave him consciousness, yes.

You can't really know to act if you don't retain memories.

(For example Jade, who managed to recognise the Stalker and so also clearly had memories without the special Transference bolt.)

[hidden glade]

well this gets rather philosophical atp

[eager dragon]

Like, this is definitely a bit headcanon-y and is probably intentionally kept vague so that different people can have different opinions.

[eager dragon]

Fair enough, I suppose, but you also can't really have trauma without memories, (even if vague), even assuming consciousness is unrelated.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

But yeah, let's agree to disagree.

[hidden glade]

sure.. the game just kinda tends to point towards frame autonomy being a deeper answer whenever the opportunity arises is all

[digital ore]

curious
7 golden lords, 1 of them, executor
7 hands raised
6 pods..around your 1. for 7.
hm...did tenno cells work in 4...or 7?

[lean garden]

1 of them executor? Nah all of them executor

[digital ore]

interesting, the audio only mentioned 1

speaking to the executor
and then the next dialogue memory, 7 hands raised

might be a context missing as its just audio of a memory i cant see

[ashen pulsar]

we see 6 of them surrounding lotus in prelude to war

[digital ore]

6 tenno surrounding lotus.....7

even if lotus isnt one of them

we see the number 7 again

[lean garden]

Uhuh

My green death was coming, so I roared at them, "Did our ancestors, burned by fire, reject its power? No. They conquered their fear and learned to control it. The Seven Principles are a joke."

The orokin had a thing with seven

[digital ore]

aye. so makes me wonder if tenno cells worked in gorups of 7 since that seemed to be a golden number for the orokin empire

[lean garden]

that said, theres absolutely nothing that would suggest that warframes were deployed solely in groups of X or Y

[lean garden]

yea no

We already see several Tenno battle groups over lua when lua was attacked

[digital ore]

oh? where is that o.0

[lean garden]

did you just finish TSD?

[digital ore]

i caught up with all stories. just replaying old ones now

[lean garden]

its in the Erra quest bit of the prelude to war

[digital ore]

k i'll look for it

[ancient violet]

I have see on the war within and the dream uh did people hate the warframes and why is the hate to them?

[undone eagle]

Who are all the gen 1 warframes?

Will that be revealed in a quest or somewhere else?

[eager dragon]

It's not a "canon" name but it's what I (and alot of other people) call the pre-Tenno warframes.

Whereas the gen-2 frames would be the mindless "clones" that we build in the foundry.

[hollow siren]

I'm struggling to answer this, both in an attempt to avoid spoiling stuff and just because of how odd of a question it is

[fast dew]

The orokin didn't like them. Viewed them like objects. That's all I'll say.

[ancient violet]

Interesting

[ancient violet]

But what are the warframes give me spoilers idc

[hollow siren]

why would we

just play the game and learn

[fast dew]

||Humans. Ballas turned humans into warframes.||

Click at your own risk

[hollow siren]

||I doubt they even remember Ballas being mentioned tbh||

[ancient violet]

🥺i can't play rn and the lore let me with i want more

[ancient violet]

Oh

[hollow siren]

So you'd lessen the experience for yourself?

[dark compass]

Game already tells you all of that

[hollow siren]

Nature of the Warframes isn't told until later

[dark compass]

Bad phrasing, sorry

I meant that they could just play the game

[ancient violet]

I guess but meh i Will no get to their rn and connect something to other for me is fun

[dark compass]

And find out

[hollow siren]

You are incomprehensible, what does this even mean

This reads like a scrabble

[hollow siren]

Noooo too difficult

[ancient violet]

I wss thinking other thing and i Say all

Okay

[stiff beacon]

either their really into gambling or its a symbolic thing

[hollow siren]

Punctuation might be worth looking into

[ancient violet]

Uh I won't get to that point in the game right now, and I had this doubt, and well... knowing that and other things about the game, I could connect what they told me as I play.

[stiff beacon]

coincidently 2 of them at least of a 7 sins of man thing going on

[ancient violet]

Yeah it could ruin My experiencie but i have a different way to enjoy the story of a game sometimes

[stiff beacon]

like the weirdly smart ban on AI creation they have its unknown as to why 7 is a prominent number for the orokin

[sweet wadi]

So with the new protoframes around the corner, I wanted to talk about dualism.

Theology is something I’m somewhat passionate about, so I’m curious, and a little nervous, to see where the two openly religious protoframes go character wise. What do we know about dualism, in terms of dogma?

[stiff beacon]

outside of what ballas says on the topic during the sacrifice in his recordings not

much

[hollow siren]

Eleanor talks a bit about it too

[sweet wadi]

I figured. I know that Scaldra uses its terminology a lot, but more as an excuse to paint themselves as righteous and feed into the cult of personality.

[stiff beacon]

though the symbolism with lua and sol has some bare bones links with alchemy

[fallen sun]

I just got to 1999. WHAT IS THIS GAME.

[ashen pulsar]

awesome sauce

[ashen pulsar]

everything has two parts, “Mind and Body, Consciousness and Matter. Of our world, and the Void..." (ballas quote)

like sol and lua

not much info, might be close to yin and yang

[proper barn]

It's been implied for like 10 years though.

[strange turtle]

You get to use the bikes in normal missions btw

[digital echo]

Dualism pulls from various religions generally speaking, but it has a bit of a heavier emphasis on some of the Eastern faiths (Buddhism and Daoism in particular)

[solar hatch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv68Pm8lr-0
Am just starting to watch this video and apparently there was an ARG surrounding the Zariman???? jeez this is the second ARG i've heard of in this game
also it mentions albrecht's portrait and gives him PR and that reminds me of a discussion a few days ago on #gameplay-discussion or some other channel on his portait lol

Wtf new title already?
This is what the title of the video was lol

oh yeah it's here lol

So, anyone in this server joined in on the ARG here? what was it like? 👀

[dire mountain]

There's been 3 ARGs in the history of the game

Fortuna, Angels, 1999

Wasn't around for angels but was there for the other 2

[dark compass]

I tried joining the 1999 arg. found out there's a Homestuck reference in it. Almost died from health complications. Then forgot about it

[solar hatch]

We have 3 ARGs?

[dark compass]

Had

[solar hatch]

ok wrong choice of word but you get my point lol

[dark compass]

Kinda hoping Tau will also have one

Seems like a large enough thing

[solar hatch]

This game really got it all

Best RPG for real for real

idk if I can afford to partake in such args but I hope to tune in on it if another one happens

[proper barn]

Not old peace but PROPER TAU. Maybe.

[dark compass]

Yeah that's what I'm also talking about

[proper barn]

Afford?

[solar hatch]

uhhhh maybe I phrased that weirdly, I'm just saying idk if I would be able to partake in an ARG if happens for real lol

[proper barn]

Ah cuz of the time commitment I guess.

[solar hatch]

basically, yes
anyway gtg and chill see ya

[ocean geyser]

You guys think every Railjack had a Cephalon?

[strange turtle]

Damn, learning about homestuck got you hospitalstuck

[dark compass]

It was a fun year for sure

[violet storm]

It would make sense

[fallen sun]

I think so. I can’t imagine how operating a Reliquary Drive would work without one.

[stray cosmos]

just finished 1999, that was a huge lore dump, like are the stories impacting each other? I thought this was a space robot ninja game, never expected lore this deep

[proper barn]

Why not?

Did you play the sacrifice

What are we doing here

[stray cosmos]

the sacrifice?

[strange plinth]

the lore has always been mostly connected
the main quests lead into each other fairly well, some of the older side & warframe quests are somewhat disconnected though

[proper barn]

The umbra quest.

[sweet wadi]

Which is why I was a bit confused when they went with a nun outfit tbh.

I mean the obvious answer is easy bait with an overtly sexualized nun with a French accent. Which is a bit weird on its own but par for the course.

[strange plinth]

i mean, the dualism faith was already known to have nuns, as eleanor has a whole kim chat about finding the alternate version of her that did become a nun

[proper barn]

Well they talk about The Umbra and Lua nuns

I'm some Kim chats.

Also the styling of the gods is kinda old European mytholog.

[sweet wadi]

Yeah but that could apply to any female itinerant. There were eastern female monasteries.

[humble sierra]

There seems to be a catholic style nun (like Marie) for Solists, and a more Buddhist style monk for Lualists (like Eleanor)

[proper barn]

Well Eleanor isn't a nun

[strange plinth]

yeah it kinda just combines a bunch of different ideas from different faiths into one

[proper barn]

She sees a nun verison of herself.

[humble sierra]

Pedantics

[proper barn]

I think it matters.

[strange plinth]

given the context, it can be assumed he meant the nun version of eleanor and not the one we know

[humble sierra]

Is that not also Eleanor? When Lua calls for all the Eleanors to sing, will both those Eleanors not be part of the choir?

[sweet wadi]

Again the actual reason is pretty clear, it’s just a shift from the other themes. Harrow has at least had western religious symbology in his influence from the start. Particularly catholic and orthodox.

[proper barn]

Eh

[sweet wadi]

Which part is eh there?

[proper barn]

I gotta feed my chickens but I think the themeing is fine.

[fast dew]

Which is funny cuz that means lua has the nuns while Sol has the monks, but. Uh. Lyon is Lua's representative. Marie is Sol's

[fast dew]

He absolutely did

Harrow is egregiously themed after Christianity/Catholicism and their sects

[sweet wadi]

I’m not complaining, to be clear. It’s just that Warframe has been largely eastern-inspired for most of its worldbuilding with a few notable exceptions.

[humble sierra]

Harrow does have an obvious priest theme, but Wisp doesn't have an obvious nun theme.

Which is fine because they're Protoframes. They don't have to be their Warframes.

[fast dew]

Ive always seen Wisp as more pagan themed than anything else

Like hello we could've had a actual triad of religious themes

Satanism/Catholicism(or Christianity)/paganism like cmon it was RIGHT THERE

Equinox should've been in place of Marie.

[sweet wadi]

True but until now, the proto frames have all had some connection to their warframes. Usually it matched a personality trait; hyperactive Emir got Volt, stoic swordsman Arthur got Excalibur, caustic wine mom Minerva got Saryn.

[fast dew]

I'll genuinely always think that wisp was chosen because of her popularity.

Its so scummy ngl

She aint even all that good

[proper barn]

HUH

How wrong can ONE PERSON BE

[sweet wadi]

Side note, the first new romance options being based on real world roles that usually involve celibacy is a… choice.

[proper barn]

Wisp is great. HUH

[fast dew]

THATS WHAT I SAID

[proper barn]

This also feels like a non issue I'll be honest.

[fast dew]

Ehh.

[sweet wadi]

It’s an observation is all

[fast dew]

She's... eh. She's mid. There's better frames.

[proper barn]

I feel like I'm talking to 2 people that are in a different world than me.

[proper barn]

That's not true.

She can use 4 and she's the best support frame

[violet storm]

I mean, the only one that probably doesn’t adhere to a code celibacy is Roathe

[proper barn]

What are we doing

[fast dew]

Feels like the constant sexualisation of religious figures™

[sweet wadi]

I’m not trying to make it A Thing.

[fast dew]

Eh. Better frames imo

[proper barn]

I gotta hold back.

[fast dew]

No, dont. Say your opinion.

[proper barn]

Nope. I'm good.

[fast dew]

We can express our discomfort with it.

It feels like a cheap cash grab.

Thats my opinion

[sweet wadi]

Just give it a rest. I didn’t mean to start an argument.

[fast dew]

It feels like a poorly planned cashgrab

[fast dew]

Nah ive always held this opinion with the triad, i aint gonna try and make it an argument

[sweet wadi]

And that’s fine but clearly other people don’t want to talk about it.

[fast dew]

Albrecht randomly never mentioning kidnapping a orokin

Loid never mentioning it

Lua and Sol as a religion is cool but the execution is pisspoor and doesn't align with what we know exists with them

Wisp being chosen was 100% because of her popularity in that regard

Roathe doesn't feel like a orokin in many regards

And if that last kimchat ends up being a group chat i will genuinely lose my shit

[sweet wadi]

I think you’re reading a bit too deep into it man. New game-changing lore drops have happened regarding Albrecht every time he is involved in an update.

[fast dew]

Ehhh

Not really. Not if you've read the notes.

Albrecht's notes explain a lot with the hex and the round table

He says to those who volunteered, that leaves it open to more than what we know

[humble sierra]

They don't mention a whole lot of things. Like going to Tau. Like having a sentient friend who sung to heal Sentients. That's kinda how new information works.

[fast dew]

We know he was in duviri way before we had those notes as well.

[stiff beacon]

ngl albrecht seems like a "if aint relevent to the topic i aint mentioning it" type of guy

[fast dew]

He mentions getting high with loid- and loid getting sick from it.

He has weird priorities then.

[stiff beacon]

clearly given he took the time to set up a train trap

[fast dew]

There's the sentients, who's history is widely unknown, and there's Albrecht who literally explained his every action in his notes.

He mentions thinking if oro was real, that kalymos would have it

[stiff beacon]

not to mention set up multiple pom 2's around the labs

[fast dew]

He just. Never mentions kidnapping a whole orokin.

[stiff beacon]

steal aiden pearces fit

[fast dew]

Which is pretty damn important imo.

[stiff beacon]

actively the most normal thing he's done outside of getting high with his bf

[fast dew]

Not... not really

Scientist uses animals to test, pretty normal, we do that now

Albrecht mentions so much but never mentions his entire visit to xx99

Loid doesn't either.

[stiff beacon]

he chucked them into an alternate dimension to get the attention of his eldritch stalker

[fast dew]

No, to dumb it down.

He hoped to devolve wally.

[stiff beacon]

my point still stands shit aint normal

[fast dew]

This isnt really normal either 😭 kidnapping a person, maybe, but kidnapping a person and force them into xx99 is a whole other issue

Let alone a member of the orokin caste

How did loid never know?

[proper barn]

I mean he's a orokin.

Roathe and he probably deserved it.

[fast dew]

Roathe is probably behind the rebellion

Albrecht kidnapped him to stop it.

[proper barn]

do you think

[stiff beacon]

maybe theres tiers to the orokin caste

[proper barn]

he did that for a good reason?

also i think it will be roathe and someone else but that's just me.

[fast dew]

Im saying that Loid or Albrecht never mentioning it is really weird