lore-discussion

[frank galleon]

I wish we could get a drusus style ordis

[frank galleon]

He’s the coolest looking cephalon

[fast dew]

Im tired, eepy even

[fast dew]

I aint too sure if Drusus is even a normal cephalon

[frank galleon]

Why not?

[fast dew]

Also. No loid content in the old peace packs. Im so sad. I will cry.

[fast dew]

He still has a body he could buy back. That by itself is a little odd

[pale cedar]

He’s never actually called Cephalon Drusus

[fast dew]

That too

[frank galleon]

That is a little strange, I haven’t finished his quest yet so I didn’t know that

[fast dew]

I think its a idle line..?

[lean garden]

not just one of them, its both

[frank galleon]

What

[mental herald]

I wish they let us have a sentient companion. I know that there is caliban but it would be cool to have a companion itself and mod it and stuff

[lean garden]

the quria tells toh the tale of the orokin twins who took over the grineer, its both queens

[frank galleon]

I mean the orokin that’s in the imprint stories for the arid eviscerator and the guardsman

[tall echo]

That's not one of the twins

[brittle siren]

He also said "I would visit Aria's temple myself, but I am indisposed at present... a... long-standing condition."

[waxen mesa]

is Loid the only gay character or do we know of others?

[narrow pendant]

well, albrecht clearly
also technically all romanceable protos are bi/pan since they can be dated whatever you see your drifter as

ticker is trans

maroo is bi

[pale cedar]

Albrecht is bi considering he had a wife

Drifter would also be bi if you consider male and female dating rather than gay

Or pan ig

Loid is probably the only known gay character in the game as DE show much more bi representation

[frank galleon]

What about drusus and Dante 🫢

[narrow pendant]

i only know they knew each other

[narrow pendant]

could also be that she was only for expanding the family tree considering his absence and that orokin culture is somewhat based on ancient roman/greek culture

ancient greek culture idealized same gender relationships, the opposite gender was for offspring, so in the case of albrecht it can be that he had a wife for offspring but wasnt too romantically involved with her otherwise

[humble sierra]

Ticker had a girlfriend, right?

Or was that platonic?

Haven't read the codex myself in a while

[strange turtle]

I thought Varzia was the bi one

[narrow pendant]

oh i might mixed up names in that case

[stiff beacon]

he has a full name

like a complete first middle and last name

[opaque zenith]

Tbf is Drusus Leverian, owner of the Leverian.
Is kinda like calling someone Mr. Larry Library

[fast dew]

The actual term for the protos would be playersexual

[waxen mesa]

Drusus Leverian, owner of the Origin Leverian.

Drusus Leverian, owner of the Origin Leverian? The same Origin Leverian where they're hosting Grendel?

on ice?

[fast dew]

There is a lot of queer characters for sure

[tall echo]

Bf

[tall echo]

Just friends

[narrow pendant]

a leverian iirc is just a type of recorded message, like compareable to a file format id say

[fast dew]

Pathetic. I need me some lesbians. No Varzia doesn't count

[narrow pendant]

drusus simply dedicated himself to record so much history he willingly became a cephalon for it

[opaque zenith]

Ms. Victoria Vhs

[narrow pendant]

ballas' secret messages to hunhow in the sacrifice and the requiem logs of albrecht are also leverians

[fast dew]

No, they're vitruvians.

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Vitruvian

These. Albrecht has one in his netracells

[strange turtle]

The allos or whatever have had their time in the sun, we need aces and aros

[fast dew]

I like to think Kaya is, but that is a headcanon

[strange turtle]

From one of her KIM messages she’s at least straight and into Arthur, just still not looking rn

[narrow pendant]

right

[twin wigeon]

left

[strange turtle]

right

[tall echo]

Guessing she might be ace from trauma but not aro, or vice versa

[eager briar]

Did margulis actually kick out rell or was it the orokin and they just blamed her?

[narrow pendant]

while not actually stated, its likely rell was the one tenno that accidentally blinded her with void powers

that could have been the reason and yes, margulis kicked him out either way

autism is misunderstood even among adults

[twin wigeon]

its likely that rell was rejected by margulis because of his outbursts and instability

[woven coyote]

While there isnt really any evidence i could see it as being an accident that happened while margulis helped him escape the orokin so he could do what he thought was necessary.
And then when asked by red veil he would answer something factual but not necessarily the whole picture.

The curious part iirc is the lotus not knowing who he is

[twin wigeon]

you may glean some info from the rell comic if you choose to read it

[eager briar]

I don’t think she has margulis’s memories, I think she just studied her life

[woven coyote]

As paladino put it what lotus knows is drawn from the dreams of the tenno, unknown how true that is tho, also quite a bit of ballas reprograming

[eager briar]

Speaking of ballas, how long did narmer last?

[twin wigeon]

quite a while i assume

[woven coyote]

If anything the comic paints him as more stable than we see on the quest

[hollow siren]

A long while judging by Nora's lines

[woven coyote]

At the same time the ventkids didnt age

Tho it could just be dev limitations

[hollow siren]

true

[twin wigeon]

...

[strange turtle]

Ok so I was checking for something else and it turns out he’s just named his museum after himself

“Drusus Thelonious Leverian

“I… I… cannot lea— You… You will be paid. And I will keep the Leverian."

[narrow pendant]

ya i mixed up leverian with vitruvian

[proper barn]

ah

the orokin ipad.

[nimble flax]

I've heard from a good source that Caliban Prime is in the old peace

[strange turtle]

Yes

You can see him in the little gameplay snip they revealed on stream and posted on YT

[celest needle]

Vitruvian kids

[dire mountain]

Is your good source watching the tennocon demo

We've been knowing this

[strange turtle]

Old Archimedeans at the college complaining about Vitruvian kids and their light-coil thinkers while smoking Nestawood

[proper barn]

Or the new dev stream.

[dire mountain]

Or the last devstream

Or caliban prime access

[proper barn]

This one isn't far.

Come on.

[dire mountain]

Like brother comes with the academy suit

His descriptions also reference the old peace

[nimble flax]

My uncle works at the tauron academy, he met Caliban

[fast dew]

I'm one of Roathe's hair bead things, i was there i can confirm

[hot mural]

@fast dew what happened to nemesis?

Oh nvm sorry

[dark compass]

Sorry I actually lied to you

[dark compass]

[stiff fable]

Yeah he gets a mini showcase.

....but there are six primes that show up as enemies as well, and he's one of them.

[hollow siren]

Commandeered by the Separatists

likely using the Ascaris Primes

or is it Prime Ascares?

[strange turtle]

Ascaris Prime

[hollow siren]

I'm referring to plural

[celest needle]

Ascaris bolt

[dry cobalt]

@lament willow there is no potential reality where the Orokin are good enough people for umbra to be a consenting royal guard or something. And if there is then Wally got rid of it when we shook his hand 😂

[celest needle]

Umbra consented to killing his son?

[dry cobalt]

Look at the most recent post in fan art. Someone said it could've been umbra in another universe

[celest needle]

I mean

It's possible

With enough alternate universe we can get there

[dry cobalt]

I mean I think when we shook wally's hand he cut every strand of Krah except the two. One with the operator. And one with the drifter

[celest needle]

Also it's like
Fan art
We can wish as the people

[turbid vigil]

these lyrics make me think so much of chains of harrow

||"Undo these chains, my friend
I'll show you the rage I've hidden
Perish the sacrament
Swallow, but nothing's forgiven

[Pre-Chorus]
You and I can't decide
Which of us was taken for granted
Make amends
Some of us are destined to be outlived
[Chorus]
Step inside, see the Devil in I
Too many times we've let it come to this
Step inside, see the Devil in I
You'll realize I'm not your Devil anymore"||

[celest needle]

And creativity is very nice

[dry cobalt]

I was just trying to poke as a joke

Apologies if I came off serious 😅

That.... tends to happen a lot

[lament willow]

||Mostly all of us own our own version of Umbra. We all can literally be a squad of Umbras in different colors. How is that even possible lore-wise? We all shook Wally's hand, and we all experienced the same events while making different choices. We either picked Wrath, acceptance, or emptiness. How is any of it possible if not Enternilsm?||

[turbid vigil]

eternalism allows multiplayer, crossplay, trading, baro aligning with all platforms

baro literally said he made a deal with something while in the void to be able to trade with tenno across all platform

[lament willow]

Eternalism can't beat Nintendo though, since Nintendo players can only trade plat with other Nintenno

[turbid vigil]

also i strongly believe we'll get a chains of harrow reference in next update

[turbid vigil]

wally did not like nintendo to the point it refused to add nintendo

even an eldricht god like being doesnt like Nintendo

[lament willow]

😔

[tall echo]

No

[pale cedar]

We got a Chains of Harrow reference in last main quest

[turbid vigil]

in chains of harrow trailer we saw a shadowy figure that now can be identified as uriel

[pale cedar]

Uriel has nothing to do with Chains of Harrow

[silk atlas]

Simply put, it's not. That's just a gameplay thing. There's not multiple Umbra's running around because even with Eternalism, we know that the same "thing" can't exist twice in the same space outside of weird circumstances, see: Drifter Operator convo in TNW.

It's helpful to remember where parts of a game just cannot justify things in-lore no matter much you want to make them fit simply due to the fact it's an online game and not something they cared to think about too hard. Most online games have this "issue".

[lament willow]

Good point😔 but I'm glad they don't care too much because I main Umbra it would not be very pleasant to have to pick another frame when someone else is using him

[dry cobalt]

I think the only reason that conversation was even able to happen was because the Zariman acts as a sort of trans-temporal zone. A rift between the rift and reality which for some other reason that only the writers know... also acted as a rift between time. But even then to your point. As emphasized by the drifter. Even if they could both exist in that state. Only one of them could re-enter the operators reality.

[silk atlas]

That is exactly the reasoning, actually. Same with how they both show up in Lotus Eaters to talk to Lotus.

[dry cobalt]

Now my brains had a fart... the drifter has a "reality" so to speak in Duviri. But if you bring the drifter to the operators reality. Where does he go? Does he just have to chill in the dormizone?

[twin wigeon]

Operator be eeping and taking care of the origin system

[dry cobalt]

Ah okay... so it's a dual consciousness thing. Sort of similar to the hero firestorm for any DC nerds. But far less psychologically intense

[twin wigeon]

I think we’ve seen this “void pocket” before actually

[pale cedar]

We’ve never seen it physically but we have seen it doing it’s thing

[twin wigeon]

Not on the outside but on the inside. When you “die”, in the war within specifically

[dry cobalt]

? I just took that as a simple death/revive animation

[pale cedar]

The Void pocket is how Operator emails Drifter

[dry cobalt]

Yea I should note that I've never done lotus eaters or 1999

Only up to the end of whispers

[twin wigeon]

Bruh

[tall echo]

that's not the void pocket

[proper barn]

okay so

[tall echo]

that's just a gameplay thing while respawning

[proper barn]

That might actually be good lmao @dry cobalt cuz then you can probably choose old peace first.

that might be more intresting.

anyway.

[twin wigeon]

It’s not? Damn

[dry cobalt]

Well I made a new account because I wasn't learning as much while being carried and was.... really shite at the game. So I made a new one a few months to play mostly solo and actually learn to be good back and now I'm finishing prepping to do the new war.

And yea, I did have the thought that I can now choose which of the two quests to do first

[twin wigeon]

My fault again famalam

[dry cobalt]

1999 doesn't look boring. I just didn't like where I was.

[twin wigeon]

Do we know if old peace is getting a quest?

[fast dew]

... yes

[dry cobalt]

...yes

[twin wigeon]

Yipeee

[dry cobalt]

Did you skip the dev stream?

[twin wigeon]

Nope
Was excited by how soon the update is
…among other things…

[tall echo]

marie?

[dry cobalt]

I would suggest checking out the vod

[dry cobalt]

Bro who wasn't distracted by the devs intentionally baiting us

[proper barn]

Huh it's all the quest.

The missions are gonna be "memories" from the quest

[dry cobalt]

You can't convince me that was accidental

[tall echo]

I wasn't

I was playing fo4

[dry cobalt]

I mean honestly I wasn't tuned in too hard for that part. I was more interested in the focus school expansions

[open coral]

so like whats up with sevagoth's shadow? frames get their personality from the human that became the first frame of that type, right? and sentient warframes are usually turned humans, so what the hell is the shadow? how can it act independently? is it like an extension of sevagoth's mind?

every other instance of a warframe having independent entities has some sort of explaination. venari was once a kavat, voruna's wolves were once wolves and lizzie is an infested creature

[proper barn]

kubrows Until revaltively recently. God Kuva does so many things.

[open coral]

what?

u talking about voruna?

[proper barn]

yes.

[twin wigeon]

Void energy channeled to fulfill sevagoth’s last request. It’s an extension i believe

[proper barn]

her 4 kubrows only get molded to her and their souls as well i guess. When she goes to Kill the person behind the zariman 10-0 expidition. they become part of her cuz she like CONSUMES all the Kuva while being like "near" her kurbrows bodies.

[misty salmon]

The Orokin have very different ideas of what a mink coat is. /hj

[proper barn]

@open coral

[twin wigeon]

That’s an extreme simplification but essentially yea

[proper barn]

OH she cut off their heads and like put some in their and her mouths.

god Kuva can do so much stuff.

[twin wigeon]

Temple kuva is another example

[proper barn]

I still wonder if that's just normal kuva.

[open coral]

right of course that makes perfect sense the void is funny

[proper barn]

but that's just me.

[open coral]

space magic

[twin wigeon]

Its spicy kuva courtesy of the unum

[dry cobalt]

Which was used to make a sensory network out of wildlife to hunt a sentient... wild

Also do I even want to ask what the hell the unum is? Because she? It? Whatever.... literally stopped time during the new war so we could board that ship

And not a broad time freeze either. She completely isolated us from the effect

[proper barn]

Okay she can also SEE multiple outcomes.

like she has the msot SUCCESSFUL faction in WARFRAME currently. @dry cobalt

Cuz all her quills will litearlly die to set things IN MOTION that might HAPPEN. also the people that don't get caught in fortuna and cetus

[twin wigeon]

It could be that sevagoth got injured on a rescue mission and was dying and so he commands the rest of his void energy to save others and after everyone else is saved, the coordinates to his body was corrupted and so it’s been waiting and drifting along

[proper barn]

are both Quills or a quill operative.

Also she can just TALK into anyones head around the CETUS AREA? cuz she does it to just a lot of people in cetus.

[dry cobalt]

Yea, the quills. She's just confusing as hell... she's a sentient, living tower, made of meat... that the ostrons have been harvesting for god knows how long? Like does she just constantly regenerate her corporal form?

[proper barn]

HOW FAR CAN THAT WORK? IDK.

[twin wigeon]

“A sentient”. That sentient was massive and easily an extinction level threat that gara defeats and revenant spawn kills before he dies as well

[proper barn]

SHE TELLS THEM WHERE TO HARVEST.

ALSO SHE IS PROTECTING ALL OF CETUS.

FOREVER? she controlls the like Forcefield

[dry cobalt]

I know, I scanned the codex entires myself. It was an over simplification myself

[proper barn]

over the plains and such.

[dry cobalt]

That makes it weirder

[twin wigeon]

I think we can agree that unum is op

[proper barn]

SHE CAN SPEAK INTO ANYONES MIND

WE DON'T KNOW AT WHAT RANGE.

BUT SHE CAN. she can see multiple outcomes.

[dry cobalt]

Yea... for that to still be running after thousands of years. Beyond just the gameplay reason of limited map.... what in the nine is still out there?!

[proper barn]

she can Send a BEAM Up into space.

[dry cobalt]

Literally make bifrost bridges on demand

[proper barn]

It might be to just protect them from the infested of earth and like grinner attacks..

[dry cobalt]

Just casually create hardlight

[proper barn]

in some of the Fragments people call her "The wall" that's what "Outsiders call her"

also she Supported Teh warframes from the fall and before.

[dry cobalt]

That would make sense. Perhaps the field limits the greenier capacity to move reinforcements into cetus

[proper barn]

so she would have to have know that tenno

where gonna kill the orokin and been okay with it.

the unum is SO INTRESTING.

I hope we get more lore but also i want some parts of her to stay kinda a mystery.

[dry cobalt]

The truly disturbing part... is that in those entries. It's implied that there were other towers like her. And all of Orokin construction

[proper barn]

cuz it's good. BUT she is ENOUGH OF A PERSON to call and be called

a "beloved" by gara and gara to call her that.

[proper barn]

WE DON'T KNOW. how sentient they where. but we see other meat towers.

In RJ and in fortuna. they also are very MEATY.

[dry cobalt]

I think the sense of mystery that's sort of come to define warframe... that's the reason even new quests like the teacher aren't total explanations. It only gives you enough to ask questions

[proper barn]

you can even go inside a gross meat tower.

in fortuna.

And in RJ you go into like SPACE meat towers. one of the most fun like titles they is only in RJ.

is a Orokin tower that the corpus has built onto to extract from it

so you get a like "here is the corpus entrannce to this orokin tower that they are mining"

[dry cobalt]

Yea, the derelicts where the Valkyr and Nyx prime set relics are kept

[proper barn]

sure.

If that's what we are going with.

[dry cobalt]

Again, oversimplification

Also my brains way of using simple references to stitch things together

But yea.... like....

[proper barn]

yee.,

[dry cobalt]

Why are there meat towers in space?

And more so outside of the void? When most othet towers were kept in the void as strongholds against sentient attacks?

[indigo lark]

"Play up to Lotus Eaters" Does that mean this will take place at or around the same time as 1999???

[dry cobalt]

Yes. They quests will run parallel. One for drifter. And the other for operator

[woven coyote]

Remember the dual scene in lotus eaters? With drifter and operator side by side?

[twin wigeon]

Yk… maybe that’s why orokin derelicts are filled with infested… because the outside is fleshy sort of

[indigo lark]

That's what I was thinking

[woven coyote]

Thats the split between hex and old peace

[twin wigeon]

Yeah while drifter time travels, operator and lotus do a history lesson

[dry cobalt]

And that would explain Vay Hek's ramblings about not being able to hide from the infested in cetus's walls...

[indigo lark]

My wonder though is, how will the romance options work if Drifty is off with the Hex too

[woven coyote]

The devs have mentioned that you can have both

[indigo lark]

Yes, but Im meaning time wise

[woven coyote]

They also threw around an idea of a consent conversation with your 1999 partner

[twin wigeon]

I mean operator is also a gajillion years old so like

[woven coyote]

Nothing involving operator

[indigo lark]

Like when would Drifter be getting busy with the new options. lol

[dry cobalt]

Why is this even a question 😭

[woven coyote]

After 1999

[indigo lark]

I JUST HAVE TO KNOW, OKAY?

[woven coyote]

As in after drifter is done there
At least that's what i assume

[indigo lark]

But that's the thing. How are they gonna be "Happening at the same time"

[woven coyote]

By drifter moving around?

Drifter isn't stuck in 1999

[dry cobalt]

You know it's sort of funny... our two biggest foes. The infestation and the void... are also seemingly what allowed the Orokin empire to rise to such power and prominence

[indigo lark]

Yes

[woven coyote]

Also devil's triad is after op is done with old peace

Sorta like post quest

Least that's what the devs implied several times

[indigo lark]

But the timing of when is still to be seen

[woven coyote]

They just lost control... as usual

[indigo lark]

Cause the Hex stuff and Triad could technically be done at the same time

[woven coyote]

Well from drifter's pov anyway

[indigo lark]

Which also just means that Drifter could just be a freakball

[woven coyote]

From the partners pov it would likely at least a hundred year difference

[dry cobalt]

I think the irony of it all is that the Orokin never had control. They were simply egotistical enough to think they had

[hollow siren]

Operator's flashback therapy is taking place at the "same time" as Drifter is away in 1999 presumably

[twin wigeon]

Flashback “therapy” except less soothing and more screaming

[hollow siren]

so The Hex and The Old Peace quests are technically parallel

[twin wigeon]

Confront your trauma

[woven coyote]

And in theory devils triad is after op's bath time, so triad after hex?

[hollow siren]

yep

[twin wigeon]

Thank you space mom, I’d love to get ptsd after you forcefully repressed the memories

[hollow siren]

"Time until Trauma manifests"

[woven coyote]

Time to undo the ol' margulis implantation

[dry cobalt]

I mean since the romance system is completely optional it could also not happen at all. I personally don't see a solider who's just barely recovered from the literal worst case of depression in existence.... being all that down to get down.

[magic dagger]

Triad is the next destination according to the whispers in the walls notes, after the plague year, aka 1999

[woven coyote]

.....

What?

[magic dagger]

Albrecht, in his notes

[woven coyote]

Yeah i know those

[hollow siren]

Triad is chronologically before 1999, since XX99 was revealed to be 1899

[woven coyote]

Dont remember anything that hinted at the triad besides albrecht calling himself an honest devil

[hollow siren]

Albrecht might've gone to 1899 after he went to 1999 first, but it's still further into the past

[dry cobalt]

Moral of the story... never give a single dad the ability to travel through time

[woven coyote]

When was it revealed?

[magic dagger]

"As I await my final crossing to the past, I ponder what role a scientist may play in so spiritual a matter as 'absolution'..."

[lean garden]

Im hearing something about it being shown in the devstream, but I was using the cheeky dual screen method so I didnt catch it and its all hearsay

[magic dagger]

From the WitW notes

[hollow siren]

Accidentally showed (second image is the original version)

[woven coyote]

Oh nice

[magic dagger]

Which to me now is a clear reference to Albrecht going further into the past next after now knowing it's a cathedral

[woven coyote]

As far as we know the final crossing was towards 1999

Because he was wearing his 1999 clothes when loid broke the sarcophagus

Or do you think he went around 1899 with the same clothes as in 1999?

[dark compass]

I still find it extremely silly that sentinels aren't some sort of machinery developed naturally by normal technological progress, but some random sentient like creatures found in space in the middle of nowhere who just happened to join us

[magic dagger]

All I know is what he wrote in the WitW notes for his time travel plans after visiting 1999

[woven coyote]

And what i know includes the cutscene at the beginning of said quest

[magic dagger]

Roathe also doesn't look exactly logical, and both Lyon and Marie being protoframes due to Albrecht

So, clothes are not something I had thought about

[lean garden]

you uh, do you know that roathe was there at the perinta rebellion

[woven coyote]

Roathe wasnt exactly roaming around
While imo lyon and marie have much more apropriate clothing

At least compared to albrechts 1999 clothes

[magic dagger]

Marie is floating

[indigo lark]

https://tenor.com/view/very-perceptive-how-perceptive-of-you-raphael-devil-well-done-gif-6078357823680795920

[woven coyote]

Ok albrecht is totally walking around 1899 with his 1999 clothes sure

[eager briar]

Is the “adults going insane” part of the zariman literal or a VERY VERY early version of void angels

[silk atlas]

Literal. The Void Angel thing was after they died.

[indigo lark]

https://tenor.com/view/schneewittchen-snow-white-gif-11611811703612081503

[magic dagger]

Adults did not have the Duviri storybook emotional void training

[hollow siren]

Void Angels formed from the Void copies of the dead adults

the Holdfasts are the only remaining non-Angels

all the rest turned

[woven coyote]

What the parents really didnt have was a deal with the void entity

[ashen pulsar]

void angels are dead holdfasts, basically

[lean garden]

awfully confident about that huh

[lean garden]

extra dead mhmm

[ashen pulsar]

they didnt hold fast enough

[lean garden]

plus I don't think any amount of emotional regulation was going to help prevent being afflicted by a unknown void entity

[dry cobalt]

The void angels are born of the voids paradoxical nature. It creates things. But then in that same motion creates horrors to attempt to reclaim those creations

[eager briar]

I’d imagine that they were just told the consequences straight up instead of it being told in the form of a story book

[lean garden]

Hell, by the creation of Duviri, Drifter themselves didnt exactly follow the core messaging of the book

[magic dagger]

Albrecht's daughter hasn't encountered Wally afaik,

[dry cobalt]

The flash backs wet get whenever drifter reclaims an emotion suggests that he was already a bit messed up before the jump

[hollow siren]

It's implied no Orokin but him ever met Wally

[lean garden]

wet get

exactly.

A "dont lose control" book doesnt really help much in an unprecedented crisis disaster thingamabob

[magic dagger]

But, the Duviri version of Albrecht's daughter lives in a kingdom that is actively trying to hold back Wally, but that's still not a personal meeting yeh

[hollow siren]

Void Duviri doesn't have a full version of Eularia, it just has her narration since she wrote the book

[dry cobalt]

Oh, I was pointing at how little it would've helped in light of his already pre-sustained emotional damage prior to the jump accident

[turbid vigil]

literal

[magic dagger]

The closest is Thrax and Nesci squabbling in Isleweaver, if I'm understanding it , but Thrax is Orokin in factory build, not people

[dry cobalt]

"No crew aboard. Only the children. Only the parasidal monsters they had become"

The adults literally went mad from exposure to the raw void. The children had no choice

[turbid vigil]

a "dont panic everything is fine" book is hard to follow when you just encountered an eldricht god being thing

[eager briar]

Did our dad actually say “something is out there kiddo” or Wally doing subtle foreshadowing. He doesn’t have to be in the form of who he’s talking to like when Albrecht was interrogated

[turbid vigil]

actual father

[hollow siren]

Wally calls Albrecht by a nickname his mother used for him as a child

[dry cobalt]

It's implied there's some breif calm before the jump

[turbid vigil]

wally uses nick names from the past

[hollow siren]

Our actual dad called us Kiddo

Wally uses it to mock and torture us

[turbid vigil]

wally calls us kiddo because we remember someone close calling us that

wally calls albrecht little bengal

[turbid vigil]

everything was fine until the on purpose sabotage

[magic dagger]

Wait, does that mean the narrator voice in Duviri with no name is Mother (entrati, Deimos)

[dry cobalt]

Yea, the homestead lady literally admits to sabotaging the agri-domes

[hollow siren]

Hombask sabotaged the bio-zones in an attempt to make the Orokin cancel the jump

[turbid vigil]

the orokin(ballas) was like "aight bet"

[hollow siren]

Yes? Albrecht's logs comment on this, and the voice is recognizable. She's also the one narrating our lecture on Temporal Axioms on the Zariman

[dry cobalt]

She underestimated how self centered and narrrow minded they truly were

[magic dagger]

I never put that together, thank you!

[hollow siren]

well Tuvul was the one mainly in charge of the Zariman

[woven coyote]

tuvuul seemed to be in charge of zariman
at least considering it's tuvuul in the zariman transmissions

[turbid vigil]

wait yeah...then ballas picked up the newly found opportunity

aka tenno

[hollow siren]

Ballas was leading the Sentient program presumably

[turbid vigil]

the Warframe program too

[dry cobalt]

Bro named a segment of the ship after himself? You think he was gonna just gonna drop that cause food wasn't working?

[hollow siren]

Ballas did create the Warframes, but he was initially against the use of Transference with the Tenno on them

[magic dagger]

And the most reasonable explanation to why Albrecht did see his daughter in Duviri, is because very close bond

[hollow siren]

"I know we are desperate, but these are no Dax soldiers. They're golems possessed by Devil minds."

[turbid vigil]

or remembrance

the void loves emotions and thoughts

[dry cobalt]

"I know we're desperate executor. But these aren't dax soliders. These are golems possessed by devil minds."

I didn't see you preparing the same quote

[magic dagger]

I do love that unattended Warframes keep playing hero in the stories

[hollow siren]

Depends

[lean garden]

you mean like how he was initially against the use of the sentients?

[hollow siren]

many Warframes are effectively braindead

[turbid vigil]

no

they are stillcontrolled by infested

[magic dagger]

Titania and Gara are clear examples

[hollow siren]

Which we know was an intentional reverse-psyop. It seems very much like him to be against the Tenno

As they did not truly understand why the Tenno could calm the Warframes so effectively

[turbid vigil]

literally in that one quest where our frame ripped the sword out

[dry cobalt]

Yup. His intention was to use the sentients to create a new empire in a new system with him at the helm

[turbid vigil]

"we dont understand this thing, it must be a devil"

[hollow siren]

The Void is often referred to as "Hell", so calling us Devils is fitting

[eager briar]

Rip to all the Tenno that didn’t get to brutally murder orokin (Sevagoth, Kullervo, etc)

[lean garden]

while yes, that sentence as he pitches for the warframe project 2 electric boogaloo reeks of the same tactic as what he did to get the sentients approved (express deep concern, yet subtly push for necessity)

[turbid vigil]

"hell is a lie spun by madmen"

[lean garden]

I wouldnt say "clear examples"

[turbid vigil]

gara literally is

also umbra

[lean garden]

the fact that tenno exist during the time of gara and titania mean that it's far more likely that there was tenno control

[lean garden]

yea no

[magic dagger]

Limbo is more an example of Warframes having character quirks

[hollow siren]

Gara volunteered to become a Warframe. Wether she was still her after becoming one is unknown

[turbid vigil]

i mucg rather believe the unum tower control gara

[dry cobalt]

"We had created monsters we couldn't control. We drugged them, tortured them, brutalized them, we evicerated there minds... but it did not work. Until they came. But it was not their force of will. Not their void devilry. Not their alien darkness. It was that somehow. From within the derelict horror. They had learned of a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing. And take away it's pain."

[lean garden]

presence of lotus/transference indicates occurrence of warframe insurrection, of which we know a grand total of 2 "survivors"

[turbid vigil]

"i recognized the weakness of my flesh"

[lean garden]

so far at least

[dry cobalt]

Or at least gave her the strength to remain at least some of who she once was.

[lean garden]

and those two survivors arent gara and titania

[turbid vigil]

i see

[turbid vigil]

i sont Believe that part because unum controls all the wild life on plains of eidolon as a massive surveillance camera system

so how crazy is it that unum also controls a secret weapon...gara

[dry cobalt]

The unum did such to protect the people of cetus. If you note the audio logs hidden in those codex entries.... it notes that other tenno were a part of those battles. And that lotus had pulled them out. Only gara refused to leave.

[turbid vigil]

oh i see

[runic bronze]

dumb question but i need it for something:
what holidays(mostly talking about irl but made up ones too) are canonicaly celebrated in the origin system? Excluding 1999 ofc im only talking about the current people

[magic dagger]

Tennobaum, Nabarus Nights..

[turbid vigil]

gift of the lotus

[dry cobalt]

After thousands of years the reformation of multiple civilizations... it's hard to say

[hollow siren]

Naberus, Star Days, Dog Days (not actual in-universe name but), Lunar new year

[runic bronze]

i mean the ones we experience like naberus, the valentines one, ect

[dry cobalt]

Yea, be it that gara was purely warframe. Or a mix of warframe and tenno. They chose to stay and fight to protect cetus. To protect the Unum. And as someone who willingly chose to be a warframe... even knowing the truth. They weren't going to let that beast get the last laugh.

[eager briar]

Is that a holiday or lotus arbitrarily deciding to give us stuff

[shut rune]

The new adventure might be the second best adventure

[turbid vigil]

holdiay

[dark compass]

How is gara not a clear example

She's literally made of glass

[lean garden]

[ashen pulsar]

is she?

[dark compass]

ITS A COMIC EXAGGERATION

I am going to glass you

[magic dagger]

It's also a very clear defiance of the Orokin punishment of glassing

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

[hollow siren]

Ballas gave her glass to mock Nihil

[lean garden]

if theres any defiance its ballas's lol

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/cephalon-simaris-simaris-warframe-sanctuary-onslaught-intensify-gif-11759037

[magic dagger]

Ballas takes any opportunity to piss people off

[hollow siren]

yeah Gara herself had nothing to do with the glass

[magic dagger]

I am still in the camp Ballas is the type of person that takes all credit for a group project when it comes to the creation of Warframes

[humble sierra]

He's probably familiar enough with the science behind it

But yeah I wouldn't be surprised if he was mostly just an executive producer

[strange plinth]

are they still yapping about jade prime? bruh

[hidden glade]

me when just make Jade Prime what she started as but we only met her as a base because her concentration consumed the energy or something idk. weirder things have happened than energy dissolving gold

[lean garden]

Its always rooted in some misconception about prime creation man

[dark compass]

I took all the gold, peeled it off like a foil wrapping on a chocolate bar

[humble sierra]

Yeah that's what I assume will be the reason

She's already focusing her energy to make sure her child survives

[strange plinth]

what'd you do with the gold

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/t-loves-gold-gif-20537815

[strange plinth]

i see

[versed terrace]

Okay
So question
The way warframes are made is sorta like a disease, right?
Cause if thats the case, maybe the reason why certain frames have weapons built into them is because the process mistook the weapon as a part of their body

[lean garden]

"mistook"

[versed terrace]

Did i spell it wrong-?

[humble sierra]

No, spelt right, I think Bau is implying it's more like The Infestation intentionally decided to graft things together

[strange plinth]

its kinda. directly changing the makeup of what it infests
the warframes are specifically designed, however, so it isn't necessarily mistaking weapons for additional material

[versed terrace]

Oooh
Okay
So it sorta chooses what weapon they have attached to themselves?

[strange plinth]

if they are designed to have a weapon, they have one
protea was designed by parvos to have that turret, for example
they give the design to the helminth and it makes it, to simplify the process a bit

[humble sierra]

Yeah, they have a lot of control over the design of the Warframes. Gara was given glass powers on a whim, Dagath initially had a defined face like a doll

[lean garden]

bingpot

[stiff beacon]

It was less of a whim more put of spite and to clown on nihil

[brittle siren]

So Nihil and Ballas are the only known Seven to survive the fall?

[strange plinth]

the other 3 we know of are definitely dead, so yes
still completely unknown on the last two tho

[proper barn]

Well nihil died but we know of one other that survived and was killed.

It was the one that oversaw the Zariman.

[brittle siren]

Killed during the fall so it counts as dead from the start

[proper barn]

What is during to you?

[brittle siren]

I mean before Lotus put most Tenno into real sleep (means no active Tenno for thousands of years)

Well I have to go now

See y'all later

[proper barn]

See ya.

[barren jasper]

I remember that there was concept art in the codex somewhere that showed off one of these structures, but I can't find it

does anyone remember

[brittle siren]

DE pls add a warframe that if you use the he or she pronoun, it is still correct (like Mangle from FNAF)

[celest needle]

xaku ?

cause they're like
3 different warframes

[strange plinth]

xaku's just they/them

[brittle siren]

Xaku and Temple are They/Them

And yeah Xaku kinda the same with Mangle but DE is not joking like Scott Cawthon (he keeps saying Mangle is he or she all the time, make Mangle's gender is “yes”)

[thick yacht]

Was the Orokin Empire falling an objective good

[strange plinth]

yea basically

[swift sentinel]

Probably?

[strange plinth]

grendel leverian makes a pretty good argument for it

[thick yacht]

Socially they were terrible but their fall meant humanity lost much of its access to advanced gene-locked technology

[swift sentinel]

The fall of any empire kind of sucks to live through, and things haven't really stabilised yet, but the Orokin Empire was pretty objectively evil.

[thick yacht]

Since the Orokin kept the highest tech locked to themselves

[strange plinth]

a lot of the orokin tech was lost, yes, but the corpus weren't like. super far behind then

[stiff fable]

Counterpoint: the Orokin's idea of a good time was taking people, skinning them alive, and then impaling them with glass

[strange plinth]

utilizing the void was the biggest advantage the orokin had, and uh. the entity they were taking that power from isn't very happy about it lol

[thick yacht]

The orokin scrambled a fleet for a single mod segment when we as Tenno, who only had access to the gene locks our rank allowed stack not only mods themselves but primed mods for fun

The orokin would be frothing at the mouth for a primed anything

[stiff fable]

You mean corpus

[thick yacht]

Corpus yes

[stiff fable]

Like, the issue is mostly keeping the tech out of the Corpus's hands

[thick yacht]

How many ships has like a single Tenno destroyed already

[stiff fable]

The implication is that they have the tech to replicate it

[thick yacht]

Frohd Bek’s capital ship was shot down by us

[strange plinth]

using tech that he stole from glast, tbf

[swift sentinel]

It appears we literally cannot destroy them fast enough to make a dent

[stiff fable]

We spend a lot of time making sure they don't get the chance to reverse engineer Orokin tech or develop anything comparable

[thick yacht]

They have control of entire planets tbf

[stiff fable]

Right, the Tenno simply can't defeat the Grineer and Corpus

[strange plinth]

yup. we're just supposed to keep the balance. part of that would be making sure no one gets access to that orokin tech, i suppose

[stiff fable]

Just keep them fighting each other

[swift sentinel]

Same with Grineer, we can blunt discrete fleets, but the overall navy we can't really fight

[thick yacht]

I do think however

It’s very telling how Ballas and Erra swept away the Grineer and Corpus as soon as we got thrown into the Void

[stiff fable]

Oh, that's easy and obvious

Sentients can hijack tech

[strange plinth]

they were using the little mind control veils, though
get a deacon into the field and the whole army is yours
since they. don't seem to be able to die easily. for some reason.

[stiff fable]

The Orokin went super old-school with tenno weapons to prevent that

The Corpus are the single strongest faction in the System right now

Once the Sentients hijacked the entire faction they rolled over everyone else

[humble sierra]

Yeah that's why we use bows and swords instead of laser cannons and black-hole bombs (except when we do)

[strange plinth]

we're not fighting sentients often enough to keep our arsenal as low-tech as it used to be

[stiff fable]

Imagine a Nightmare Mode modifier where any tech weapons blow up in your face

[thick yacht]

To be fair

[swift sentinel]

To be fair, a lot of that is acquired Corpus/Grineer tech

[stiff fable]

Grineer and Tenno faction only!

[thick yacht]

We also have a way to defeat sentients: void energy.

Look at TNW when Teshin got killed by Erra and then was immediately shot in the back

[silk atlas]

Infested weapons sobbing in the corner

[thick yacht]

Immediately collapsed

Just one shot

[strange plinth]

-# teshin didn't die, at least not fully, but yes

[stiff fable]

Hadn't he already been veiled at that point or am I misremembering

[strange plinth]

yeah teshin was fighting with the veil through that sequence
i think he got it off and that's when erra did the 'crush the dax helmet' thing that's worked 0/2 times

[stiff fable]

I remember telling people that he wasn't dead

And how everyone jumped on me to tell me that no he was totally dead

Oh how I laughed when Duviri Paradox was shown off

[brittle siren]

If Parvos went an all out war with Worm Queen, who would win

[stiff fable]

"But it's an alternate timeline Teshin! Eternalism!" they said, as they shrank into a corncob

Uh

Do you mean the whole Corpus or just the part Parvos controls directly?

[strange plinth]

prolly parvos
the second the corpus stop supplying the grineer with weaponry, they aren't nearly as big of a threat

[brittle siren]

Part of Parvos

[stiff fable]

Oh the queens blow it apart

The Corpus is that joke about competing standards

[thick yacht]

Bro did it twice and it didn’t work either time 😭

Also isn’t it ironic that both times after he did that he got shot

First by Lotus and a bunch of Tenno

Then by us

[brittle siren]

Umbra is the best Dax

[strange plinth]

we were also in the first group

but yea, he has a habit of repeating sequences huh

[stiff fable]

"we have ten competing standards"
A genius "I'm going to create a new standard that incorporates all the other standards"
Result: There are eleven competing standards

[strange plinth]

the corpus never gets anything done because they have 14 damn people on the board !!
"seven for, seven against, seven times"

[brittle siren]

Who are you talking about though

[stiff fable]

Parvos

[thick yacht]

Still rather have him than Pazuul

[stiff fable]

The Board split the Corpus amongst themselves

[brittle siren]

Ah lmao I get it now

[thick yacht]

Pazuul is crashing out in half his messages bro

[stiff fable]

I want to know if there are archons for green and purple shards

[thick yacht]

no

[stiff fable]

Since Pazuul has an orange shard

[brittle siren]

Tau update 2026 prob

[celest needle]

What's the convo right now

[brittle siren]

Kinda random

[stiff fable]

Pazuul lore

[restive river]

Weird goat guy

[strange plinth]

"ObJecTiVe AcHiEvEd. WeLl DoNe."

[thick yacht]

“Filth born chattels”

[brittle siren]

Sentient Liches are highly anticipated in Tau update

(current Tau)

[thick yacht]

Bro called us literal slaves

🗿

[brittle siren]

Pazuul is even more delusional than Ballas, who actually succeeded for a while

[thick yacht]

I think he’s just psychotic tbh

[celest needle]

Yes, yes we can

[thick yacht]

Ballas is narcissistic but highly intelligent

[stiff fable]

The first time I heard Pazuul mocking the extraction message I absolutely lost it

[brittle siren]

Also what is Nihil plan during the Glassmaker event?

[stiff fable]

Some of his likes go as hard as Cy's lines

"what plan" lol

He was just going to sit in the cephalon weave and glass everyone he didn't like

[celest needle]

This actually makes me sad for Erra, I wish we got more of him so this can hit even harder

[brittle siren]

Lmao, I thought he was trying to build a new body or sth

[stiff fable]

Nihil's terrible

I refuse to believe he was one of the Seven

[brittle siren]

Tuvul or Nihil?

[stiff fable]

Dude crashed out over a Grineer liking floofs

Nihil right

[strange plinth]

why do 3 of the known seven follow the same name format.

[stiff fable]

Tuvul got walked by Ballas at every stage but better people than he also got walked by Ballas

[thick yacht]

Tuvul also said the people on the zariman were being cowards

Dude was just on bad timing with everything

🗿

[brittle siren]

Ballas definitely changed his name when he joined the Seven.

[stiff fable]

Orokin Inside™

[restive river]

I wish we could have killed Tuvul ourselves

[stiff fable]

One of us did

[restive river]

Spoons in his eyes

[brittle siren]

Voruna killed him right?

[restive river]

Yes

[stiff fable]

Yup, rescuing herself

[restive river]

I wish that were me

[swift sentinel]

Voruna'a operator, to be specific

[brittle siren]

Plot twist: Ducky is a Tenno

(I mean real Ducky in-game)

[restive river]

We’re all tenno here

[thick yacht]

At best we only killed 3 out of 7 Executors initially. Tuvul, Karishh, Avantus, and Ballas all survived the Night of the Naga Drums

[stiff fable]

Fun fact but your default operator during chargen is the opposite gender as your chosen Warframe

[thick yacht]

Hardly a slaughter when we got less than 50% kill rate

[restive river]

Tuvul didnt survive?

[strange plinth]

didn't Tuvul die at the end of the night?

[restive river]

Wasnt Karish eaten or was that the other one

[stiff fable]

If that was A Thing, Voruna's Operator was male

[restive river]

Oh so it is trans allegory lol

[swift sentinel]

I think that's just gameplay, not lore

[thick yacht]

Wdym

[strange plinth]

Karishh was during the Collapse iirc
but yes grendel ate him

[stiff fable]

that or Evangelion style Freudianism

Tuvul escaped the slaughter at Outer Terminus, meaning he presumably survived the Night itself

[brittle siren]

Also, ik Ducky has a relationship with the Quill, but it kinda surprises me that she knows a human child is controlling Warframe

[frigid furnace]

If i remember correctly the void only rules is that of thought, basically (if i understood correctly) your imagination is the only rule there is

[stiff fable]

But he was killed before Lua was hidden away

[stiff fable]

Way too many people know Operator secrets now

[frigid furnace]

At least they don't know about the heart of deimos

[brittle siren]

I mean before the New War, not much though. Ducky knew this before that quest

[stiff fable]

Kinda, it's very hard to intentionally shape the Void, but very easy to do it without intent.

[strange plinth]

"He abandons his family to that night of horrors, his friends to the flames, and whips his slaves to ferry his decrepit, dying body to... his personal ship. Destination? Void-locked Lua. Purpose? To initiate one final ceremony."
sounds like its still during the night of naga drums

[stiff fable]

It responds to feelings and connections more than woll

[frigid furnace]

I like to see the void as someone who say "can i help? Yes, will i? No"

[stiff fable]

reads to me like he got away from the "night" proper there

[swift sentinel]

They've never really confirmed how long rail travel takes, but Tuvul getting from Pluto to Lua in a single night seems fine

[stiff fable]

Oh absolutely but getting a Tenno Operator out of the reservoir...

[restive river]

Iirc we have ftl travel via the rails which are powered by the heart

It might just be really fast not ftl but
It’d make sense if its ftl

[stiff fable]

Right, the issue is reaching the rail without interception

It's basically Stargate rules. Instant point to point travel

[restive river]

Yee

[brittle siren]

Also, what would happen if Tuvul succeeds? Would he infiltrate the Tenno group and pretend to be one?

[stiff fable]

That's such a good question

I think he'd eventually get exposed

But is that eventually in a week? A year? A century?

[brittle siren]

Tbh I doubt Lotus would check identity

[restive river]

Judging by his possible actions and him likely not listening to Lotus he’d prob get exposed

Or sleep til now

[stiff fable]

Right, it'd be little things like capturing Orokin instead of killing them

[restive river]

Ye

[stiff fable]

Or "discovering" how to order Grineer around

[restive river]

Or just refusing orders

[brittle siren]

It's funny that Ballas was going to become a female at some point

[swift sentinel]

Orokin don't seem to think much about gender

[restive river]

Or drifter

Or anyone in the origin system
Gender is but a societal concept after all

[strange plinth]

if you have the tech to elongate an arm and make your skin permamently blue, you can probably sculpt it to your liking otherwise

[brittle siren]

Also up until now we have only seen male members of the Seven. Is there even a single female member?

[stiff fable]

Turns out Operator character creation is canon

[stiff fable]

Yeah one of the named ones is female

[restive river]

I wanna say there’s maybe one?

[strange plinth]

avantus

[stiff fable]

We have two or three complete unknowns

Depending on whether Nihil is or is not one

[brittle siren]

We need more Nihil lore tbh

[lean garden]

Nihil is

[brittle siren]

Put him in a random sentinel

[fast dew]

He is

[stiff fable]

I actually want to see the other swords

Each of the Seven had one

[restive river]

Do we see Tuvul’s?

I wonder what his would be tbh

[stiff fable]

[fast dew]

Mm. Not to my knowledge.

[stiff fable]

There's a lot of new systems these days that a weapon could use

Something "like" the syndicate powers

Incarnon-style transformation

Creating dopplegangers of mercy'd enemies

[humble sierra]

Like darkSector where the weapons you pick up have Technocyte sensors and blow up with Enferon gas if you use them too long

[stiff fable]

That would work yeah

[eager briar]

What happens if you go up the elevator in the dormizone if you finish the duviri paradox when the quest is initially unlocked and you havent done angels of the zariman?

[strange plinth]

i don't think it lets you out of the dormizone? like the door just doesn't open
if it does, the elevator doesn't

[humble sierra]

I think the Dormizone is locked to the Duviri room?

So not even the main hall? Definitely could be mistaken

[barren jasper]

plz someone remember what I'm talking about 😭

I swear ive seen this structure before the reveal

[humble sierra]

Not sure where you've seen it before but it's called a World Seeder, and it's some sort of terraforming thingy

[barren jasper]

I MIGHT be mis-remembering, I couldve sworn I had seen it before. If I hadn't then it was this image I was thinking about

[stiff beacon]

yea its a buyable background for the vista room in the dormizone

and its of venus

cooled seemingly

[burnt blade]

ok so i have a friend whos starting to get into the second half of the game, and they asked me if warframes are puppets, i wanna say yes and no, i mean stalker is, but dk about the frames themselves

[opaque zenith]

If you wanna go by the puppet analogy, think of a revese-pinochio history to explain them

[burnt blade]

wdym reverse pinnochio

[opaque zenith]

Human-> Crazy infested frames of war (tenno mainten them here) -> full puppet

[burnt blade]

i used the anology of take iron man but the suit becomes him

ik its not correct but close enough

[thick yacht]

Gemini Skins

[opaque zenith]

Still in the middle ground

More like early midlle and warfames are late midlle, tho

[burnt blade]

ok so that has a question i wanna ask

so ballas made the warframes and entrati made the protoframes, so who made temple?

[pale cedar]

Both technically

[burnt blade]

i feel like entrati made temple tho

[pale cedar]

Ballas made the design

Entrati built the frame

[opaque zenith]

Little more conpliccated, Ballas made the "blueprint" but never build, Entrati (stole it and) built it (ie. inject Temple's batch on Flare) and Flare turned into Temple in an asteroid while waiting the "pest control system wide day".

Average warframe but slow and every step got outsourced, feat. time-travel™ for cooking method

[runic bronze]

🪦

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/googas-wet-wet-cat-dead-chat-dead-chat-xd-gif-20820186

[versed terrace]

Okay
So
Now im curious from last night
Which warframes can’t be protoframes?

[stray gale]

iirc there was some sort of deal that frames with heirloom skins cant be protoframes

though i really dont think theres any lore reason to prevent a protoframe for any given frame because they will just retcon it like they did with primes

[lean garden]

Well, any warframe that emerges after Albrecht leaves for 1999

[silk atlas]

What Prime retcon. If you mean "Primes were the first", DE never said that before.

[lean garden]

So the only one off the top of my head would be revenant, unless albrecht wants to make a prime protoframe

[stray gale]

the whole "base is a mass produced version, primes are special editions" deal

[silk atlas]

Yeah they never said that either

[versed terrace]

Hmm
What about frames that were seen as a sorta “ancient protector” (like Gara, Garuda, and Koemei)?

[silk atlas]

That was just headcanon that got regurgitated way too much

[lean garden]

easily, albrecht would have been around

[stray gale]

doesnt varzia have a line for it

"Some Warframes were Prime from the start. Others earned it. Ballas never told the whole truth."

[lean garden]

not to the effect of what you said

[stray gale]

"Primes were reserved for the Prime Vanguard. The best of the best, and the rest... are adequate, I guess. If you're satisfied with merely adequate."

[lean garden]

that line doesnt remotely say "bases mass produced, prime special/limited ed"

[silk atlas]

There was no line that mentions mass production for Warframes ever in WF

[stray gale]

you know what i mean

[versed terrace]

I was assuming that was the case since, I would imagine that frames like those (and others) would have a protoframe
I guess it just’ll chalk up to “how recent was the frame created? If before or during 1999, or stated to be somewhat ancient, then maybe a protoframe. If not, they’ll probably stick to being a warframe”

[silk atlas]

...I don't

[versed terrace]

I sorta think Sevagoth could get a protoframe
Iirc he wasn’t a warframe before he got lost in the void right?

[stray gale]

come on lol

[lean garden]

he was very mucha warframe before

[stray gale]

but yeah any given frame where there is only really one of doesnt make sense to have a prime

xaku comes to mind specifically

[lean garden]

xaku actually does have a path to priming

[silk atlas]

All that matters is the Warframe was designed before Albrecht decided to modify the strains to take them with into 1999. Protoframes of other frames won't exist if they weren't modified by Albrecht since that just wasn't how a Warframe was made.

[versed terrace]

Yea, i was just giving myself a general sense of which frames to expect to have a protoframe version

[stray gale]

realistically the earlier frames in the game's lifespan that are well-established

[dark compass]

I doubt there's any pattern other than who writers want to tackle next

[stray gale]

^ that

[versed terrace]

True

[stray gale]

though i would personally be quite flummoxed if frames like xaku or qorvex got protoframes

[dark compass]

It does seem that older frames are in higher priority

And, well, the new ones that are coming with the proto updates

Higher chance for Rhino and Loki than for someone like Kullervo or Yareli

[stray gale]

rhino has a heirloom so i think probably not him

like that's already a big new expensive skin

[dark compass]

Volt has tons of those but he still got a proto

[stray gale]

de's machinations are a bit of an enigma then

honestly i'm a bit surprised trinity got a proto because no one plays her

from a business sense

[dark compass]

I don't think it's that much of a player popularity thing

Otherwise we would've had gauss long ago

[stray gale]

i mean most of the protos except for trinity are all very popular frames

[magic dagger]

Qorvex protoframe is way easier to explain because Albrecht should have the easiest access to that strain

[stray gale]

frost maybe not but i think there's a sensible reason we got like saryn and mag protos and not banshee and atlas protos

[dark compass]

They're all the original release day frames

I think that was their mentality when picking first protos

Second batch was less strict

[stray gale]

nyx is post-release actually

[dark compass]

First post release, I guess

[magic dagger]

I think Frost and Saryn is a nod to Nesci being clearly viral themed

[stray gale]

is she...

[dark compass]

She's gas themed

Because effevron

[magic dagger]

She is huffing gas to fight back the techrot

[dark compass]

Which means

[opaque zenith]

Should be saryn ember yuri them

[dark compass]

Yes

[stray gale]

yeah i am a bit surprised that ember did not get a proto

[magic dagger]

It's also neat to know she had an orokin animation rig with the large arm, and that's why she isn't the Saryn protoframe

[stray gale]

though she isnt that popular these days, for pretty understandable reasons

[magic dagger]

One of the few cases of Rebb and team killing a rumor

[dark compass]

You're talking about Nesci?

[magic dagger]

Yeah

[dark compass]

Fun

[stray gale]

and honestly for a toxic opinion, i kinda don't like velimir at all 😭

[magic dagger]

Also amazing writing of her in Isleweaver

[stray gale]

well on board with replacing him with ember

[magic dagger]

Velimir is a hilarious bbq dad

[stray gale]

the problem is that's more or less all he is

[dark compass]

Velimir is funny

[stray gale]

he's like your dad's friend who thinks he is hilarious

mediocre white man core

[opaque zenith]

Your execution is due opinion then

[magic dagger]

He still clearly has game

[stray gale]

he only has game if you play couple's therapist for him

[dark compass]

They had to write two characters in one marriage issues dialogue, I think he just didn't really get enough development thanks to that

[stray gale]

because imo minerva's issues with him are pretty justified

[magic dagger]

I partly want to reset so I can get all the dialogs per friendship level, but also I don't want to reset

[dark compass]

Yeah, you have to work their issues out, otherwise it's dead

Unfortunately us resetting million times offscreen is already canon

So not much dmg done

[magic dagger]

Yeah, I'll see, maybe when I get to smooching stage with Marie

I do hope they add more Hex dialog too

[dark compass]

They confirmed more dialogue for Hex

[magic dagger]

Hell yes

I have so much faith in the writing team

[tall echo]

Ember is very popular for obvious reasons...

[stray gale]

eh

[magic dagger]

The writing panel at tennocon is maybe the thing that got me more hyped than the Old Peace teasers

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-dance-gif-15521422

[stray gale]

she's still got nice assets but she's SO weak its kind of unbelievable

and has been absolutely mogged by temple

[dark compass]

Don't worry

Soon it won't be just temple alone

[stray gale]

mogged by temple in the gameplay department and mogged by wisp in the assets department

how hard can life be for one matchstick girl....

[magic dagger]

Second Warframe that has direct soul interaction in the abilities afaik

[dark compass]

Uriel will also have lots of heat dmg

Truly, terrible competition

It's like they decided that they need a niche for a heat frame all of a sudden

Without remembering that ember exists

[stray gale]

that being said, i'm kinda spooked about any possible ember reworks

because you just know they're gonna be like, ok here's her invuln, here's her room nuke

like they literally just did with oberon like come on

[magic dagger]

Oberon got that love, we will get there

[dark compass]

I don't think she'll get any form of invuln

She already has the overguard and status cleanse augment

But nuke? Yeah, certainly

Anyways lore

[stray gale]

lore: i want a valkyr protoframe who wears a leather jacket and openly threatens you in her kim conversations

minerva was good but we can go meaner

then again she just got the world's worst heirloom so that's looking unlikely 🥀

[runic bronze]

i like him but tbh he and minerva are forgetable

[tall echo]

...you have a specific type huh

[runic bronze]

idk they just dont feel as developed and emotionaly impacting as id like them to be

[stray gale]

because im a b-word irl and i like to see my type represented

the automod stops me from swearing wtf

[tall echo]

Well yeah

[stray gale]

anti b-word discrimination

[tall echo]

Discord is 13+ so 13+ rules are enforced

[stray gale]

this is probably my most sacrilegious opinion yet but i can't stand aoi because of this

[runic bronze]

this specific discord server is atleast

[tall echo]

It's a bit dumb

[stray gale]

she's just such an airhead and so saccharine and twee in all her convos and it drives me insane

[dark compass]

Drifter: "I disagree"
Valkyr:

[tall echo]

Discord in general is 13+

[stray gale]

https://tenor.com/view/love-gif-1725081057622358733

[runic bronze]

badly enforced and tbh i think the age requirement should be higher

[stray gale]

i do really like eleanor and minerva though, i think they really nailed that whole strong-willed and sympathetic but they're really hard to like

[tall echo]

I can't even identify which word you mean to say, it is the word ballas says in tnw?

[stray gale]

female dog

[tall echo]

Yes and yes

[runic bronze]

🔪

[tall echo]

Aight it's the word ballas says

Kinda bland in its own way ngl

[stray gale]

literally every aoi convo on kim is like
aoi: omg haii drifter :33
drifter: omg haii youre so awesome, you really hold the team together, i really appreciate how stereotypically feminie you are such as your ability to be empathetic and like boy bands
aoi: omg thats so nice of u!! internet hug

which would be fine but literally every convo is like this, you literally select the option that butters her up every time

[tall echo]

Bias

[stray gale]

whereas with all the other girlies, you really have to read into how they are a bit more and it's much easier to mess it up

[runic bronze]

tbh with the hex half of them are "butt heads with them 100%" or "butter up"

[stray gale]

there's a reason so many people were complaining about messing up eleanor and trinity's conversations when 1999 came out

trinity in particular where she wants you to keep it real but not completely dismiss her

[tall echo]

Most of those people are just antisocial losers with no concept of basic human interaction

[runic bronze]

Eleanor was my only perfect kim relationship on my first attempt 🪦

also her name is Lettie

[opaque zenith]

Drifter needs their token silly friend after trauma-dumping x5

[stray gale]

yeah im ngl i think it was a bit telling how SO many people complained about it because it wasnt that hard but at the same time, it's definitely true that eleanor and lettie are much harder to get along with

aoi does have that converastion about the paper cranes but even then, she basically tells you what the correct answer is

[tall echo]

Lettie is the only one I struggled with (and still do)

[runic bronze]

Arthur : im emo
Eleanor : im freaky and depressed
Lettie : i dont want to rely on anyone
Amir : im so anxious (insert gamer speak)
Quincy : violently english

Aoi is a good break from the drama fest cuz you just gotta not be a jerk

[tall echo]

Quincy is violently english with trust issues

[stray gale]

quincy i feel does kinda qualify for being silly as well

he does trauma dump but only if you prompt him, which is the same as aoi really

[runic bronze]

also what is that texting style😭

[stray gale]

thats how people talked back in the brick phone days

[tall echo]

Aggressively abbreviated

[runic bronze]

he's more of an annoying one for most of the relationship

[stray gale]

i actually liked him a lot more than i thought i would've

[runic bronze]

i dont hate Quincy but he's not really qualified to be your silly

[stray gale]

he's surprisingly gentlemanly

does this bot seriously block h*rny

[runic bronze]

i like that there's a consent option that curbs the flirting

[stray gale]

it does 🛌

[tall echo]

Contracting the last two words looks wrong

[stray gale]

he has the least h*rny dialogues if you romance him

[tall echo]

Which is so ridiculously backwards

Aoi is like 90% that

[runic bronze]

actually makes sense to me

[tall echo]

Quincy about 5%

[stray gale]

yeah it makes sense to me as well becuase his whole deal is that he's deeper than he appears but fronts otherwise because he views himself as expendable

[runic bronze]

Quincy is hypercasual about flirting and yk 🛏️ stuff but if it went to be focused on in your romance then it wouldnt really feel all that special

and since pre-romance he lacks emotional affection with the drifter the romance focused on the softer things

and then there's people like Arthur who REALLY want to tell you that they want to wear a maid dress

[runic bronze]

#MyMan💖

[stray gale]

if there is a wish i have its to get rid of eleanors damn pigeon line

why are you even eating pigeons 🥀 whats wrong with the pizza

[runic bronze]

she eats her own tongue

[tall echo]

My issue is just
Quincy: flirts a ton, is pretty chill when romanced
Aoi: chill until romanced, but after romance her personality just 180's

[runic bronze]

i think eating healthy pidgeons in a barely holding up city is the least of her worries

[runic bronze]

real

[stray gale]

its not just her really, arthur and amir too also get super 0-100 out of nowhere if you romance them as well

too much BG3 inspo, i think

[runic bronze]

i mean i get Arthur cuz he's like really repressed

[tall echo]

Arthur stays pretty chill

[runic bronze]

and he's honestly wholesome other than bassic flirts and his "idea"

[opaque zenith]

Whe have the technology for that

[runic bronze]

Amir tho is outta pocket

i did not see the puppy play

i can relieve suspense for Arthur cuz that man wears eyeliner and wants you to be his strong partner on a farm

[tall echo]

Nah even bg3 has characterization beyond "violently horndog" after romancing a companion

[runic bronze]

MEANWHILE WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU BARKING FOR AMIR

[stray gale]

terrifying alternate reality in which amir is a right wing femboy

[runic bronze]

Arthur is my favorite cuz he really is an emo panda inside and out

[tall echo]

The writer DE hired just dropped the ball on some of this stuff

[dark compass]

Don't slander bg3 companions like that. Laezel romance is so nice

[runic bronze]

his romance just has enough drama while also making me enjoy him in my backroom so im biased

[stray gale]

yeah the way bg3 did that was kinda popular lol

[tall echo]

I

Can you read...?

[dark compass]

No, I'm a warfrme player

[runic bronze]

yall remember the bear

[dark compass]

Sorry I'm blind sometimes

[tall echo]

Halsin

[dark compass]

Yeah halsin

[runic bronze]

yeah he's my least favorite

[dark compass]

He really got the short end of the stick character wise

[tall echo]

Tbf he wasn't intended as a companion originally

[runic bronze]

id go and say that he's worse than the worst in the warframe dating side

[dark compass]

Should've joined at the end of act1

[runic bronze]

that and like

[magic dagger]

I knew I wanted Eleanor, and got what I wanted

[runic bronze]

me with Arthur 🤝

Nightingale twins hit different

[magic dagger]

It also helps that I date people like her IRL,

[runic bronze]

my fav romance option and my fav best friend

i really liked Eleanor's story in kim chat

yk that feeling where you just get a character

[tall echo]

I thought I wanted aoi(I like just plain kind and positive ppl, fight me) but then the backroom dialogue happened and I reset asap

[stray gale]

yeah fr

[magic dagger]

Oh no, you discovered things you wish you hadn't, and now you know too much, good tragic flaw

[stray gale]

all those dialogues she has where she's freaking out about some big picture stuff and im like omg she is LITERALLY me

[magic dagger]

Aoi reminded me too much of my first relationship

[tall echo]

The problem is that there's not even a hint of it in her convos

[magic dagger]

Like, the writing is so good

[stray gale]

i too get existential crises about dying all the time and wondering if my entire life could have been different due to small things earlier on too!!!

[runic bronze]

also her non-evil eldritch things wants to get me cuz i dug too deep plot points and backstory are awesome too

[dark compass]

I don't romance anyone because I like to hug Kalymos

https://tenor.com/view/kalymos-warframe-heart-cat-gif-14437175578720025539

[stray gale]

yeah thats fun

[runic bronze]

Kalymos, you are my palymos

[stray gale]

i do like how she's not afraid to talk about super morbid things

though in general the backroom dialogue makes romancing kind of a pain

they need to put like a 30 second cooldown on the lines

probably longer actually

[runic bronze]

speaking of Kalymos Arthur in the backroom is literaly THE cat owner down to going "Come to uncle Arthur!" and then pouting when she dosent

like i do that irl

[dark compass]

My cat would never let that happen

She would claw her way on my back and sit on my shoulder

[tall echo]

The key is to radiate calmness, cats are drawn to that

[runic bronze]

only cat owners understand the deep insult of a cat rejecting to come to you even when you do all the right things

[dark compass]

Literally can't sit or lay down without my cat already being there

[runic bronze]

my younger one is like that

[tall echo]

My cats all gravitate towards me when they see or hear me

[dark compass]

Demon

[runic bronze]

my eldest is the meanie but he comes to sleep in my bed every night so i forgive him

Kalymos irl

[tall echo]

I got a tiny catto that gets bullied by the others chillin in my bed most of the time (like right now)

[runic bronze]

i like how this turned into talking about cats

[tall echo]

Cat owners like talk cats

[runic bronze]

screw lore complaints, car

on a more lore bit

i wonder if the warframe strain can work on heavily augmented humans or clones lile grineer

[stray gale]

re: kim chats

[runic bronze]

not even thinking about Caliban rn cuz i dont know the logisticts of how he was turned

[stray gale]

i do find the mental image of these absurdly augmented super soldiers just hanging out on 1999 discord

just really funny like idk

amir it makes sense but imagine if arthur or whatever just got into arguments on reddit in his free time

[runic bronze]

arthur gets into arguments with people on twitter because no he does not take exposure as payment for comissions

he prob has ts as his reaction images

[stray gale]

eleanor is the kind of mf who writes whole essays on small form sites when someone is minorly wrong about something

[runic bronze]

Eleanor writes The Onion articles

[dark compass]

This is why Voruna protoframe has the best kim chat potential of all of them

The early internet era furry, the queen of kim chats

[stray gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHxv-MPxfS0 voruna

[runic bronze]

the horror...

[steep finch]

HI

[ocean geyser]

I imagine they basically amalgamized a warframe or something

[stiff beacon]

watching endyD20's playthrough of the sacrifice and i'm like " yea the sentients being made the orokin is a lore bomb if ya didnt pay any attention to the synthesis entries"

[tall echo]

You say that like the synthesis entries aren't way slower to unlock than the snackrifice

[stiff beacon]

its fast enough if you now which ones have what

[stiff fable]

It's alluded to in a few other places too iirc

[tall echo]

And how would one know that without spoilers?

[stiff beacon]

they'd ask someone and say just use one word to describe its contents

[vagrant beacon]

Question who was kullervo originally what happened to him

[humble sierra]

He was a Warframe, one of the early ones before Warframes were designed with Operators in mind. Long story short, he tried killing an Orokin, likely Ballas, failed, and was somehow cast into the Void, where he landed in Duviri. His guilt, hatred and self-loathing from his failure ended up manifesting into a prison, where he is jailed by The Warden who is clearly based on Ballas.

[vagrant beacon]

Ty

Time to play knife man more

[eager briar]

Are we ever going to tau proper or are we only going there via assassin’s Creed mode?

[strange plinth]

tau 2026

[humble sierra]

Tau 2026 confirmed

Old Peace is the "why", so I'm guessing the June update is gonna be the "how"

Narmer

[dark compass]

Pazuul assassination

Trust