lore-discussion

[strange turtle]

Oh wait you mean like, specific Cephalon characters

[strange plinth]

parvos kinda implies it?
or at least he offers ordis a new form several times while criticizing ordis's current existence
though he's not the most trustworthy

[fast dew]

Cephalites. I just remembered those exist

[wide needle]

tf is a Cephalite

[fast dew]

They aint important here but i think its neat

[strange turtle]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Cephalite

[fast dew]

The term is cephalite, yeah?

[strange turtle]

Einstein hair

[dark compass]

Glass wig

[wide needle]

bruh he needs a haircut

lookin like he juggles flaming axes at a child's bday party

[fast dew]

Blame the barber not the person

[dark compass]

Clown didn't have the budget, had to use fiberglass

[wide needle]

imagine getting fiberglassed

sentenced to an eternity of feeling itchy

[dark compass]

Gara prime 5mil dmg splinter storm

[wide needle]

if dif frames had like, friendship attacks, I feel like Inaros and Gara would have one

[dark compass]

Grendel launches Gauss out of his stomach and breaks sound barrier

[wide needle]

he gets a rolling start too in meatball form

either that or Gauss just soccer punts someone into Grendel's mouth

[dark compass]

Nah, supersonic Gauss ball is the best one

[wide needle]

we can bring back Ember's old 4 if it becomes a friendship attack with Temple

I kinda miss Ember's old 2 and 4

[dark compass]

Mandatory image to this topic

[fast dew]

Ight

[dry cobalt]

It's so sad that the museum isn't getting anymore entries because players hardly ever go to see what's been written 😭

[fast dew]

Might need it to lobotomise my head

[wide needle]

I go to the Leverian :<

[strange plinth]

i'd go to the leverian more if it had more things in it !

[dry cobalt]

Maybe it's just my own personal experience. But all it took was his mere introduction to figure out that he's an egocentric narcissist

[strange turtle]

Tbf it’s kinda out of the way

[dark compass]

I'd go to Leverian more if I could take a taste sample for each warframe

[dry cobalt]

They aren't putting in more things because no one's respecting what's already in there by going 😂

[fast dew]

This honestly might be the autism homie 😭 we're exceptionally good at pattern recognition

[dry cobalt]

That's the point. It's one of those activities that's meant to be a break from the bustle. Just relax by opening your codex and getting some lore you find neat.

[dry cobalt]

Well it's partly the autism... and part 15yrs first hand experience living with such folks

[fast dew]

Ha real

[brittle siren]

Did he realize that besides Umbra, every warframe is made with the intention to be mass-produced?

[strange turtle]

Doesn’t need to be out of the way to be a break from the bustle, it’s not a physical location

[strange plinth]

i mean like. you go in there twice per entry at most
once to listen, once to find that damn card. only once period if you combine them
and then one whenever nw wants you to donate

[fast dew]

Not mass produced, but certainly a lot of them

[fast dew]

Donating 100k to drusus cuz he got debts and i wanna help

[spice spade]

The warframes we craft aren't the originals

[strange turtle]

Like, does it even have an explanation? I think Drusus has first time dialogue but like, does the game actually point it out or do you get a message from him or what

[brittle siren]

Yeah, I'm bad at wording, but Ballas purposely made Warframe so they can remake it again

[strange plinth]

don't think so? the codex screen in the orbiter just shows you the voruna n styanax leverians a bunch

[strange turtle]

And the lack of any description in the actual tab probably doesn’t help, + the random assortment of warframes available just makes it look kinda

Idk how to put it but like, scattered

[brittle siren]

That's not what I mean

The main point here is, Jade isn't the only Jade series frame. There could be more Jade out there, especially Prime Jade, since Ballas could just copy from the OG Jade

[strange plinth]

she had a unique punishment but i highly doubt she was the only jade ever made, yeah

[fast dew]

I think there is a huge chunk of players who never visited until Dante came out

[spice spade]

But that's the thing... there is only the one jade... every other jade we make is a copy of her... just without the baby

[fast dew]

No the baby is still there, i think

[strange plinth]

nah the baby is there

[bright temple]

https://tenor.com/view/metroid-samus-aran-animated-speedrun-terminal-montage-the-baby-gif-17219533

[fast dew]

Thsts why we have that second aura slot aint it?

[brittle siren]

All the Jade has the baby
It's just we can't create another Orion/Sirius because it would take THOUSANDS OF YEARS to do that

That's why we have 2 Aura Slots

[dark compass]

What if I afk in the orbiter long enough

Will it give birth

[brittle siren]

Also the baby acts as Jade core to use the Jade light

[fast dew]

Nothing tbh

The little orb

The o r b

[dark compass]

Secret minigame unlocked after waiting for 1000 years

[brittle siren]

You have to not move + have a strong mother determination

[fast dew]

We have the m e m b r a n e and the o r b

[wide needle]

that Orion/Sirius concept just looks like tacticool Excal

[strange plinth]

its just the rhythm sequence again

[brittle siren]

But it's Touhou style this time

[fast dew]

The Albrecht membrane? WRONG. THE MEMBRANE THING ALBRECHT WAS IN WHILE HEALING

[strange turtle]

The space in general is also just, really bland

Like I get thats the point and ig it probably has a vibe for some people but you can’t tell me your average player is gonna find the big blank grey space and platform with almost nothing in it an appealing backdrop

[wide needle]

we found the coughing baby of legend, the one who will beat the nuclear bomb 👶 ☀️

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/gale-of-waterdeep-exactly-baldurs-gate3-bg3-gale-exactly-gif-24400611

[fast dew]

Get Gale's ass out of here
-# i think that's Gale

[dark compass]

That's early access Gale

[fast dew]

Idk been a while since i played bg3

[strange plinth]

its definitely the Museum Vibe™ but its not super attention-grabbing

[wide needle]

I think maybe if they filled the background with some artistic scenes of whatever story is being told

instead of being in a void of grey

[fast dew]

Lotta work

[strange plinth]

they could just put like. related bits of tilesets or something

[dark compass]

DE would solve people ignoring codex and lore by adding subway surfers gameplay to all text segments

[strange plinth]

some bits of the lua tileset scattered around voruna's leverian

[wide needle]

I can unironically see Warframe-flavored Subway Surfers getting added to the Ludoplex lol

[fast dew]

My mate had someone refuse to accept the orokin used children for immortality, for some reason

[dark compass]

Who's gonna be running though

We got flappy zephyr, subway surfers isn't too far off

[fast dew]

Albrecht from tagfer

[wide needle]

"noooo not the Orokin, they would never do something that cruel!"

[strange plinth]

huh. they. say that outright??

[wide needle]

https://tenor.com/view/sheep-gif-4520105

[fast dew]

"Why would they use children :/" idk dawg why didn't they use clones instead? They are weirdos

[fast dew]

People being dumb, those are the words i can use here.

[wide needle]

I can imagine Tagfer catching up to Albrecht with a whole long speech prepared, and before he can even get a full sentence in, Albrecht goes: "lol get Lex Prime'd" 🐐 💥 🔫 👴

[fast dew]

Nah

[strange turtle]

Oh no Albrecht would take ts

[fast dew]

Albrecht couldn't kill them when he thought they were spouting praise to the indifference, really think he'd do that now when they're speaking english?

Tbf he couldn't even look at them

[dark compass]

In the final fight he will be using lex prime incarnon

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

Will it be like Loid all over again?

[fast dew]

They are outliers and already cast out by the orokin and shouldn't be taken as the norm

[wide needle]

ik but it's still ironic lol

[fast dew]

They also do not want to be using them

[wide needle]

also maybe the Orokin had some kinda foresight about clone rot

altho foresight isn't their strongest stat...

[strange plinth]

all of elder queen's screentime is about not wanting to be in a grineer body and trying to get yours
worm is. around.

[strange turtle]

So others shall wear you now, fatuous nymph. Little ocean flower. Little... Yareli

Nah she was totally 19 here, what else could she be

[fast dew]

Oh yeah. What the hell does this mean???

"Poor Dante. If only he had recited to me sooner the wrongtongued words he had heard. I could have told him, you know, that I had heard that language before. Once. Long ago. From the lips of Parvos Granum."

Is parvos spouting voidtongue or some shit???

[strange plinth]

"there's a man on high with the devil in his eye"
parvos prolly met wally at some point

[strange turtle]

Dante was corrupted by his capitalist manifesto

[fast dew]

I mean, he is in the void ain't he?

[strange turtle]

The Tenets also straight up talk about something that can only be either Wally or mental illness

[wide needle]

I thought the "devil in his eye" was Protea?

[fast dew]

Maybe parvos made a deal... might explain the whole infatuation with the entrati family and their stuff

[dark compass]

Devil in his eye is cataract

[strange turtle]

Ok wait no it is just straight up Wally

[strange plinth]

-# yes its a standard phrase but wally's whole thing is the eye corruption

[strange turtle]

It was on one such afternoon that I was fated to first hear that glorious sound. A whisper I strained to hear. In a tongue not of man, but of something… else. Something… grander. A language I understood instinctively.

[fast dew]

Im also not sure comic Albrecht is actually Albrecht ngl

ARG Albrecht wasn't

Did we like. Ever see his eyes in the comic?

[strange turtle]

Theres also like 3 moments where “the whisper” lets him go through things he shouldn’t

[fast dew]

Mmm.

I don't like that.

[strange plinth]

so what's so "unique" about parvos that wally took interest

[fast dew]

Trapped in a time loop maybe?

[wide needle]

I guess Parvos being a stubborn mf plus being trapped in the void for who knows how long

[strange plinth]

the tenets were made before he got stranded, no?

[fast dew]

Wally has shown interest in loops before, along with folk being in the void for extended periods of time

[dark compass]

"The Entrati have violated time, and I have violated them."

Wally:

[strange turtle]

He tanks getting his arm cutoff, which could be an outlier, but then he straight up says that the Rubedo he swallowed would have killed men of weaker will, but he was sustained by the power of “Desire” (the whisper)

[fast dew]

I really don't like that line, god.

[strange plinth]

lmao mutual entrati hate, that has to be it /s

[wide needle]

P Granny

[strange turtle]

Can’t be, started way before he got stuck in one

[fast dew]

Hhh

[strange turtle]

I think he was just like, a convenient option

[fast dew]

In the age of void travel, is convenience of much worth?

[wide needle]

that reminds me that they say that Protea has "2 dads", and then Ballas straight up describes Revenant Prime like: "you fatherless mf"

[strange plinth]

protea had to make up for rev obviously

[fast dew]

Yeah sounds like ballas

[dark compass]

"what is this fatherless abomination?"

[wide needle]

Protea out here stealing dads

[fast dew]

Ballas doesn't like things outside his control, shocker

[wide needle]

wait so is Caliban also a part of the "2 dad club"?

[strange turtle]

Well yeah because I didn’t mean a convenient location

[wide needle]

maybe if that Sentient broodship from Plains of Eidolon had a name

[strange plinth]

maybe. his exact creation process is still unknown

[wide needle]

I hope we get Caliban lore in The Old Peace

[fast dew]

I like ballas' voice and design.

[wide needle]

Ballas do be a cool villain

gotta give credit to space dad

[fast dew]

I do think he is kinda pretty. He is an abusive asshat though

[strange plinth]

i hate him and that means he's a well written and acted character

[fast dew]

I can't even justify him and that's really hard to do

I can justify literally satan in the doom universe for hells sake

[wide needle]

damn lol

also, I wonder if we'll get some of the other 7 as villains later. I think there's still a couple with no lore yet, right?

[strange plinth]

there's 2 we know nothing about

not even names

[wide needle]

and Tuvul and Karishh got eaten by Voruna's wolves and Grendel, respectively

Nihil we got, Ballas we got, who else...

[strange plinth]

Ballas, Tuvul, Nihil, Karishh, Avantus, ???, ???

[wide needle]

"if I had a nickel for every executor eaten by a warframe, I'd have 2 nickels. which isn't muc, but it's weird that it's happened two times"

o wait ya, Avantus. there we go

[strange plinth]

Avantus was killed by some grineer iirc? or at least implied but left vague

[wide needle]

wait, was that Avantus in that Synthesis lore?

o woops

o wait that is Avantus in the Simaris lore

[strange plinth]

arid eviscerator synthesis, yeah.
gets a saw through her spine at the end

[wide needle]

now that's a big OOF

[dark compass]

lore reason why ember has paws?

[woven coyote]

Fire chicken

But before they became more daring with frame designs

[dark compass]

before?

its not like they got more restrained lol

[woven coyote]

Meant that DE erred closer to human form back then

[violet storm]

Wait, does Uriel have cloven hooves?

[fast dew]

Yeah, Roathe has hoof patterns on the bottom of his shoes too

[strange plinth]

both are most easily seen in the gemini emote i believe

[fast dew]

You can see em here

Kinda

[violet storm]

I find it interesting Uriel has talons the way he does

[fast dew]

Well
||Roathe is the person who became Uriel sooo anything thats interesting or weird is probably from Roathe||

Mm. Im replaying whispers and i suddenly remember how nicely Albrecht says "Tenno"

[lyric raptor]

is there a lore reason why warframes cant swim in open world missions?

[strange plinth]

the plains water is magnetized by eidolons, the liquid in the vallis is coolant

• oxygen

[lyric raptor]

ooh

[proper barn]

Oh you said lore reason.

Guass can run across water.

[lyric raptor]

Wait what

He just does a fast jesus and zooms along?

[tall echo]

Yes

Except it's kinda supported by physics yknow. He goes fast enough to not break surface tension

[jaunty oasis]

You guys think Uriel will also be sent to the future to fight with the Tenno and Temple?

[lean garden]

who knows, roathe has already tried undermining the empire once

[ocean idol]

Is there a reference picture for the tenno's ship, not just the detached orbiter but the entire thing with how it looks separated

[misty salmon]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Orbiter has a few sketches of the orbiter in full in the media section at the bottom.

[ocean idol]

Thanks

I like how she ship separates so I was thinking about using something similar for a command ship like a NMS corvette that becomes the cockpit of a freighter

[ocean idol]

I gave another question, kind of a 2 parter

If the frames are made of people could biomancy abilities from other settings work on the frame and can a frame be infected with something like the blacklight virus or vampirism?

[lean garden]

well, maybe?

Im not sure if another virus can infect the frame

but biomancy? should work

[strange plinth]

i'd say the infestation's "immune system" would prevent most diseases or infections from taking affect
but yea i'd imagine biomancy works
maybe a little weird

[ocean idol]

The infestation is a virus of sorts? If so blacklight can merge with other viruses so that might work

[lean garden]

what is blacklight

[ocean idol]

Prototype games virus

[tall echo]

The thing that detaches is the landing craft

[tall echo]

Infestation would just disassemble and subsume it

[strange plinth]

quick search says it activates "junk" dna and either causes mass organ failure or mutates what it infects

[ocean idol]

I have no idea what subsume is

[tall echo]

Make it part of itself

The infestation can edit things extremely well, any virus would just be taken apart

[ocean idol]

So frames would gain the shapeshifting properties that Alex has?

[tall echo]

No

Frames are a special case bc they're designed and made with a non-aggressive version of infestation so they'd disassemble and discard the virus

General infestation can already shapeshift if given the necessary mass

[strange plinth]

i could see it replacing an ability like our standard subsume stuff, but the frames are rather strict in that regard
-# + that's kinda what equinox does, arguably

[ocean idol]

Would it be better to design a custom frame with blacklight abilities, it's for a fanfic I'm working on

[tall echo]

Yes

Ballas would probably make that if he knew of it

[strange plinth]

wouldn't be far off from whatever he was doing with nidus

[ocean idol]

I'll work on something for it, thanks for the help and if anyone has any ideas for its lore I'm open to suggestions

[tall echo]

I appreciate that you didn't take my tone as hostility, that happens far too rarely

[ocean idol]

Nah, you weren't hostile

[tall echo]

My very direct phrasing sometimes comes off as angry it seems

[ocean idol]

What would be the main restrictions I would have to keep in mind while creating the frame? Like powers and strength?

[tall echo]

Mainly just gotta keep in mind that frames are strong but none could take on a well-equipped army alone

[ocean idol]

Might have to weaken the blacklight themed abilities then, it there a limit to how many I can give?

[tall echo]

In lore, no

[lean garden]

you just need a central idea for the frame

[tall echo]

Frames being limited to 4 abilities is pretty much entirely a gameplay thing, and energy as a whole is too

[ocean idol]

I could reduce it to a passive and 4 active abilities to fit game mechanics since the main abilities are

• biomass storage
• consume
• shapeshifting
• viral weapons
• armor Mode

[tall echo]

That sounds like it could work as an actual frame in game

[ocean idol]

The shapeshifting could work as a stealth mode

[tall echo]

Like the disguise mechanic from new vegas

[ocean idol]

Yeah, you can shapeshift into any person you consume as long as they haven't been mutated by the virus (you can also gain new abilities based on the abilities of mutated infected but I can leave that bit out though it would be like a portable version of that one part of the ship)

[twin wigeon]

Hold my Equinox

[tall echo]

Mechanically she only has 4 abilities

[twin wigeon]

nuh uh

7 in actuality

[tall echo]

2 halves of the same ability

[twin wigeon]

uh uhhhhhhhh Sevagoth !

7 abilities 🙂

[ocean idol]

Deciding on what a frame should look like is difficult?

[twin wigeon]

indeed, thats why we got a whole department for it :3

[ocean idol]

I have a couple ideas but the annoying bit is I can't draw well and I find it hard to describe what I'm think

[twin wigeon]

commission an artist

[ocean idol]

Where can I post the start of my idea?

[ocean idol]

That's probably what I'll do

[twin wigeon]

not here, theres a warframe forum post for that

[ocean idol]

Where do I find that?

[twin wigeon]

warframe forums is on the official warframe page

[eager briar]

Why/how is daughter listening to party of your lifetime

[tall echo]

Headphones

[ocean idol]

Thanks

[tall echo]

8, split across two frames mechanically

[dark compass]

Infestation has shared memory that goes through time. On-lyne became a part of it thanks to Coda

[twin wigeon]

Why? bc its catchy and its not like she has smth better to listen to. How? likely because the infestation are linked across time, and she's part infested so somehow the music is linked?

[dark compass]

And daughter got access

[twin wigeon]

Plus backrooms helminth listens to onlyne 24/7

[dark compass]

Must be going insane

[strange plinth]

tbh the real question should be why she has it so loud

[dark compass]

Infestation should learn more music

[dark compass]

To drown out the voices

[twin wigeon]

Infestation should infect suda and get that sweet sweet music

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-voices-thevoices-cat-the-voices-cat-thevoices-gif-10261263063736228754

[eager briar]

The realer question is why can we hear it if she’s listening to it through the hive mind

[tall echo]

One frame with actually more than 4 abilities would be xaku as their 3 is made up of abilities from their origin frames

[dark compass]

Grown speakers, not through the mind itself

[strange plinth]

headphones, like scrap said

[normal mountain]

It's over her headphones, pretty sure

[dark compass]

There are whole weapons built around it

She's got coda bassocyst playing like a speaker, surely

[tall echo]

Those are coda weapons which are techrotted tech

[normal mountain]

Sonicor, more likely
Techrot is 90% dead by present time, pretty sure

[dark compass]

Sonicor has too much knockback

[tall echo]

Modern infestation is evolved techrot

[normal mountain]

Her neck is strong

[tall echo]

And bassocyst doesn't?

[dark compass]

It doesn't have guaranteed aoe ragdoll

Sonicor does

[normal mountain]

Exactly
Techrot evolved to modern Infested, meaning Techrot itself is all but dead (except the hibernating Coda)

[twin wigeon]

yk i had in my mind that albrecht caused the techrot outbreak by bringing the infestation to 1999 but it mutated to control the abundant electronics instead and then overtime the techrot evolved into our version of infestation hence why the ancients got a design revamp

[waxen mesa]

what is required to use a necramech? I know Lotus says something in conjuction survival that makes that a special case for necramech usage

[fast dew]

Orokin technology and a connection to the void i presume?

[fast dew]

I don't think Albrecht caused the techrot outbreak

[twin wigeon]

orokin technology

[stiff fable]

He did not, but he did spread it in at least the final of his 1998 visits

[waxen mesa]

has Entrati aged or because of time shananigans has it only been 1 year since he started the Kalymos Sequence

and follow up question. does he know about the Orokin Empire not being a thing anymore?

[twin wigeon]

Entrati has aged, it hasn't been 1 year since the start of the kalymos sequence, and he likely knows of the collapse

the start of the kalymos sequence is when Necraloid tells us about his dream during the start of the quest

Entrati has been long gone, and loid has been in cryosleep since the old war when Entrati left for the last time

[strange plinth]

i'd guess his knowledge of anything outside of 1999 depends on if he has remote access to the Operator Report

[twin wigeon]

Entrati's trip to 1999 is presumably his latest trip and he had several trips before that

[waxen mesa]

THe klaymos sequence started the Entrati went to the past and Loid smashed the machine

[twin wigeon]

Nope

[waxen mesa]

it's just part 1 of the sequence was "wait"

[twin wigeon]

Kalymos Sequence started when the Operator was to wake the Sleeper

[stiff fable]

ish? The end of the report says it's time to start the Kalymos Sequence

[twin wigeon]

Loid, the eepy butler

[stiff fable]

The waiting is more of a phase 0

[strange plinth]

the operator report says that it begins the kalymos sequence when the criteria is right, which is right before necraloid has the dreams
that stuff was setup for the sequence

[waxen mesa]

semantics on if preparation is part of a plan or the prelude to the plan

[twin wigeon]

if anything the nap was more of a wait for the correct circumstances likely the reappearance of wally in the origin system with the new war

[fast dew]

Loid wasn't happy about being left behind

But he needed to be

[modest stream]

did I miss a cutscene or smth when the Round Table joined why did they just, appear

[fast dew]

Yeah they just do that

[modest stream]

or is the cutscene I missed the teaser trailer

[twin wigeon]

didn't miss a cutscene it was discussed in a trailer for the encore update

[modest stream]

link?

[twin wigeon]

nuh

[modest stream]

:|

[waxen mesa]

I assume they found the mall after the hex started making enough noise

[twin wigeon]

exactly that

[strange plinth]

yeah that's pretty much it

[fast dew]

Yup

[waxen mesa]

The round table probably banded together originally due to their shared "we asked for this" stance on protoframes

[modest stream]

yeah cause they we're yapping about finding new people

[waxen mesa]

then found the mall together already as a group

[modest stream]

in the rank up texts

it just felt really abrupt is all lol

[twin wigeon]

uhhhhh more like they found others also infected by entrati and heard of the hex

[fast dew]

Yeah that's pretty much how most new protos feel

The triad feels random and i don't like it

[waxen mesa]

old peace aint even out yet

[modest stream]

ngl Warframe should do "pre-updates" kinda like how FFXIV does with x.x6 patches

[twin wigeon]

shhhhhhhhh marie

[fast dew]

Doesn't hide the fact Albrecht casually never mentioned kidnapping a whole orokin

[modest stream]

they add a couple story missions as a gate way into the next expansion to make the transition of plot easier

[waxen mesa]

crimes are best left unspoken of

[fast dew]

Not in his notes. That's the point of them.

[twin wigeon]

he's given drugs with unknown side effects to like 7 or 9 people so far

[strange plinth]

his notes do explicitly say that loid smuggled the last two of a species to him

[twin wigeon]

drugs as in strains of the techrot virus

[modest stream]

quick refresher cause I forgot, how did the protoframes come into existence

[fast dew]

Again, felt the need to mention getting high with loid and loid getting too sick from it, but never mentions kidnapping and presumably, forcibly injecting a orokin with the helminth strain.

[twin wigeon]

oh yeah he's involved in animal trafficking and endangered animal trafficking

[stiff fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRrLLI_bzFo

[strange plinth]

helminth injections from the future given by entrati to mostly regular people in 1999

[stiff fable]

really this should play in-game when the Hex hit rank 4

[twin wigeon]

yk i think kullervo has the least amount of crimes in the game

[modest stream]

and knowing Warframe, we don't know why he did it

[stiff fable]

I mean

We do

[twin wigeon]

it was likely to teach us about love after experiencing apathy in duviri

[stiff fable]

We don't know why he kept going

[eager briar]

Why do the queens keep talking like they personally made the war frames? Y’all weren’t even in the room when it happened. They’re acting like they personally named every single one

[strange plinth]

there's a few chats where drifter theorizes why, but no confirmation, no
it kinda just ends up being useful for the vessels in the labs

[stiff fable]

But originally he was making Vessels from them

[fast dew]

No he wasn't.

The idea of the vessels came after, from Loid.

We do not know why he initially made them.

[twin wigeon]

he was probably high and decided to make huge mechs

[fast dew]

No, that was the cavia

Thats when he got high and made a decision

[twin wigeon]

he got high AGAIN

[fast dew]

Nup, seemed sober.

[twin wigeon]

tripping off argon

[fast dew]

No mention of nestawood this time.

[stiff fable]

hmm

[twin wigeon]

yoooooooo can we get some for the drifterrrrr

[stiff fable]

reading the lore now

[twin wigeon]

none for the kiddo, he's too young

[stiff fable]

Seems like he DID go to 1999 to make the Vessels or something like them

But it was Loid who suggested Grey Strain to make them BIG

It was Loid who pointed out the singular attributes of the Gray Strain. How it stimulates growth to monstrous dimensions. Many thoughts converged on me then. What if, through precise biochemical engineering, I could create the equivalents of warframes, yet built to a titanic scale? Surely such a legion could stand against the Adversary… assuming, of course, that an Operator could be found.```

[modest stream]

so 1999 is an alternate timeline right

[fast dew]

Oh, during my replaying of whispers, i kinda realised that Loid didn't seem to know that a child was behind a warframe. Or, behind that specific one. Loid calls out to the operator, not Tenno like before.

[stiff fable]

No

[twin wigeon]

no

[strange plinth]

same timeline

[twin wigeon]

old history

[fast dew]

Yes and no? The nuke going off isn't our normal timeline

[strange plinth]

actual past
the coda go dormant and survive to current time

[modest stream]

so is there anything stopping a Protoframe being from the Tau era?

[stiff fable]

Roathe is from the Tau era

[fast dew]

... the radwars

[strange plinth]

18 radiation wars mostly
oh wait from

[stiff fable]

So, no

[twin wigeon]

the nuke going off is in our normal timeline which kicks off the radwars

[stiff fable]

*we think

[fast dew]

....no?

[stiff fable]

It's likely but unknown

[fast dew]

The nuke isn't supposed to go off

[twin wigeon]

it is

[strange plinth]

albrecht sets off the reactor
we stop it
back to normal

[fast dew]

Thats why we stop it.

[lean garden]

I dont think thats the right takeaway. He made the protos and then only afterwards had inspiration to make more things

and THEN loid said go kaiju or go home

[fast dew]

The techrot would need to survive it then, which it wouldn't.

[lean garden]

the wrong nuke lol

[twin wigeon]

it is supposed to stop it but albrecht both interferes with creation of protos and actively starts it?

[lean garden]

the rad war nukes come from when the techrot spills out of hollvania

[stiff fable]

In the loops before Drifter shows up, Albrecht stops the nuke

[lean garden]

not when hollvania's reactor blows

[strange plinth]

how does he interfere with the creation of protos? he made them??
and the techrot was already there before albrecht got there.

[stiff fable]

The timeline doesn't change when the nuke goes off AND when it doesn't

[lean garden]

stops the nuke or just doesnt set it off

[stiff fable]

Stops the nuke iirc

[fast dew]

... the loop fixes ir.

[twin wigeon]

ohhhhhhhhh i see, so hollevania's reactor was never supposed to blow up originally?

[fast dew]

The loop contains the messed timeline.

[stiff fable]

Doesn't work like that

[fast dew]

Yes it does.

We know it does.

[strange plinth]

no. he used amir to get into the reactor and mess it up

[stiff fable]

no, because Coda

[twin wigeon]

albrecht starts the melt down tho

[stiff fable]

Albrecht stops Amir from fixing it

[fast dew]

No, lettie convo about her rat dying and how it will come back.

[stiff fable]

lethally

[twin wigeon]

lethally

[strange plinth]

the reactor explosion was powering the loop before we took control, i thought?

[fast dew]

(Benevolently)

[stiff fable]

not that I've heard, but I'd buy it

[lean garden]

thats only after albrecht interferes

without entrati involvement in 1999 I doubt the reactor blows

[fast dew]

The loop is from duviri.

[stiff fable]

Albrecht says he wants the reactor to go to lock out Wally

[fast dew]

The loop functions the same as the one in duviri.

[stiff fable]

Duviri looping doesn't reset things perfectly

The kingdom still collapses

[fast dew]

No, but it does reset death.

[twin wigeon]

without entrati's influence, the reactor would've never blown because amir would've been able to keep his job and fix it?

[fast dew]

We know that.

[stiff fable]

Things don't change in Warframe until you change them

So until you undo that death, it still happens

[strange plinth]

it wouldn't have blown, period, because he didn't sabotage it

[fast dew]

...not to the timeline? Sure it "happened", but it didn't at the same time.

Holy lords its eternalism

[twin wigeon]

but the area would've been nuked regardless but at a later date

[stiff fable]

It's back to the future rules

Ish

[twin wigeon]

Martyyyyy

[tall echo]

Yes but not by the reactor

[stiff fable]

MCFLEA

[tall echo]

Mcflea

Yeee, I was first

[fast dew]

The loop contains the anomalies caused by us and Albrecht's shenanigans, isn't that what temporal Archimedia is?

[stiff fable]

no

[twin wigeon]

i loved how i got that reference from the quest despite never watching the movies

[strange plinth]

-# also do we even know if the reactor would've killed off the techrot because i do not think it would

[stiff fable]

Archemedia is the timeline breaking down because it's been reset so many times

[tall echo]

It would

[lean garden]

As kaya says, we're fixing the tape

[stiff fable]

And Kaya going in to fix it

[tall echo]

Techrot, like infestation, doesn't handle fire and explosions well

[stiff fable]

slash kick the Murmur out slash look for Rusalka

[twin wigeon]

it wouldn't, the techrot would still emerge because it hides in the sewers

[stiff fable]

Anyway, the nuke would hurt the techrot but not kill it

[twin wigeon]

or however it spreads

[stiff fable]

mostly because they didn't nuke it enough

[lean garden]

given that DE has taken the liberty of assuming reactors explode like that (they dont), they probably took the liberty to assume that it would wipe the afflicted area clean

[tall echo]

It would kill all techrot in range

[twin wigeon]

even then the techrot would still live on to evolve later

[stiff fable]

But too much of it is out of range

eg sewers

[strange plinth]

i'd assume the techrot has enough of itself hidden underground that it could just spread elsewhere

[tall echo]

That's where the radiation wars come in

[lean garden]

Aint the reactor room already underground?

[stiff fable]

also there's technocyte in other places, Hollvania is just one testing ground

[lean garden]

are you reading that off the manager emails

because uh

its a holly exclusive speciality

[celest needle]

Okay so why doesn't the Coda just try to infect everything else when you bring it to the present time

[stiff fable]

Yeah the future Coda is

[lean garden]

have you seen earth?

[stiff fable]

but not the technocyte itself

[lean garden]

infested are already there

[tall echo]

It's waiting, in stasis

[stiff fable]

oh my god I just realized

[celest needle]

But when it comes out

[strange plinth]

tbf the mushroom cloud looks way cooler

[stiff fable]

the Coda are proof that the project to clone Onlyne worked

[lean garden]

when it comes out youre boinking it

[tall echo]

We kill it

[stiff fable]

bahahahahaha

[twin wigeon]

duh

[celest needle]

Also wait shouldn't it just burrow through your Railjack?

[stiff fable]

Anyway yeah the technocyte survives in the oceans of Earth

[tall echo]

It tries to

[misty salmon]

for a given hideous and monstrous definition of the word "clone" yeah.

don't think anybody's confusing the two of them at the meet and greet though.

[stiff fable]

even INSIDE the Unum's area of influence, which should zap most smaller infested

[tall echo]

[stiff fable]

Hence Vay Hek cackling during Shrine Defense

[celest needle]

But why does it not go for the internals of the railjack and not just the interior

[tall echo]

Gameplay

[stiff fable]

Orokin weirdness?

[twin wigeon]

we're liked by the infested :3

[stiff fable]

weirdly real

[tall echo]

Oh and rj runs on void so it'd probably avoid that

[twin wigeon]

taking over a ship it doesn't know how to pilot and risking sucking on vacuum is unwise

[stiff fable]

I'm genuinely amazed that the Tenno trusts a Coda not to nom on their crew

[lean garden]

what do you think space combat is for? everyone is trying to turn your ship inside out

[fast dew]

It calls us a devil and its orher strains try to kill us

[twin wigeon]

they are mindless, excuse them

[fast dew]

They are the very opposite of that

They have one huge mind. Its a hivemind.

[stiff fable]

The technocyte sees that people are hurting and wants to bring us all together

[celest needle]

But that's going after the exterior and internals through battle damage which can be easily repaired since its not a tech consuming virus but the technocyte manages to get inside the railjack which is full of technology.

[twin wigeon]

pretty sure lizzie says smth about the infested i forget tho

[stiff fable]

Even if it has to violate our bodies, minds and souls to do it

[fast dew]

That they transcend the barrier of time? Yeah that's something they do

[lean garden]

you do realise they need to get through the external to get into the internal?

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/macready-the-thing-gif-4874951598181903328

[lean garden]

and then you promptly set them on fire

[lean garden]

just like that captain exactly

[stiff fable]

pic related

same brain lol

[twin wigeon]

lmao

[stiff fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrZ7PnolbQ4

noot noot

[tall echo]

-# what's the story behind the username "captain", anyways?

[stiff fable]

grandad was an army captain

[celest needle]

But there are still these sacs inside your ship after you close the spores

[tall echo]

That's much simpler than mine

[lean garden]

And are they there always?

no!

[tall echo]

@celest needle

[lean garden]

Infested flesh drop pods arent going to infest your entire railjack

[tall echo]

Techrot is ultimately still infestation, and infestation is scared of void

[fast dew]

Chat why are Albrecht's lips purple

[stiff fable]

It's the 90s

[tall echo]

He's very drunk or oxygen deprived

[fast dew]

He's uh. Neither i don't think

[celest needle]

I'm just going to take both answers
thanks

[tall echo]

How would you know?

[fast dew]

He look drunk?
-# ignore that they changed his eye colour, im forever upset about that

[stiff fable]

they really should have left the eyes blind

[fast dew]

They're not blind, moreso orokin ™

[celest needle]

why did they change his eyes to blue anyway?

[fast dew]

He didn't, DE did

They went back and changed it

[celest needle]

I said they

[fast dew]

Even in whispers

[strange plinth]

blue popsicle /s

[fast dew]

Had someone try to tell me they're the same colour, and it only changed cuz of lighting

That was

A interesting moment.

[fast dew]

It got too hot in the jacket smh

Honest answer is he is probably wearing some sort of make-up, wouldn't be too odd for Albrecht.

Considering he is wearing eyeliner and all

[celest needle]

speaking of that uhh
is there a reason why they changed the blood in Chains of Harrow?

[fast dew]

Which one is first?

[strange plinth]

same reason none of the bodies we cut in half bleed, probably

[celest needle]

right is the old version

left is the current version

[fast dew]

They bleed, i think they do

[strange plinth]

not much

[fast dew]

I saw a corpus member's entire body split in two

Organs and all

[fast dew]

Bright red blood ain't realistic

Especially if its been there for a while

It'll go brown, deoxygenate

[celest needle]

but why not, tone it down?

cause now it looks burnt on there

[fast dew]

Blood goes brown and flaky when dry

[stiff fable]

I mean, Wally could ABSOLUTELY keep it fresh if he wanted

since Chains is Wally breaking his

oh right @modest stream did you ever do Jade Shadows

[modest stream]

yesssss.... runs to codex

[humble sierra]

I remember the game being a lot more violent back in 2017 when I first played

But I was also 13-14 and it could just be me having been taken aback by severed bodies

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-meme-warframememe-gif-52930624347421827

[celest needle]

30 minutes of context to the stalker

and a new game mode

and amazing music

[stiff fable]

and the world's best elevator music yeah

[celest needle]

and mote throwing simulator

[humble sierra]

@modest stream also go near Teshin at a relay

Once you're done with the quest

[modest stream]

Crazy how DE just, gave Stalker an entire moveset that has only ever been used by a player in;

a stage show where someone takes over an NPC stalker in someones rescue mission and they kill the hostage

and in Jade Shadows

[humble sierra]

he has it in Duviri too

[celest needle]

to be fair its a mishmash of a bunch of different warframe abilities

Like he has ashes teleport

[strange plinth]

it was in belly of the beast too !

[humble sierra]

His 4 is basically Nyx's too
I think he has the mark for death ability you can get for Helminth

Oh and SmokeScreen too from Ash

[lean garden]

you can almost recreate his build on ash

[celest needle]

If only I played the event 😭

[humble sierra]

Tbf playing as him in the event is risky

You join an existing squad and get the same loot as them, but if you go down you get nothing

[strange plinth]

it also didn't differentiate between regular and sp matchmaking iirc

[modest stream]

wait doesn't this quest also make it to where I can be hunted by stalkers kids?

or is that a Steel Path thing

[strange plinth]

the acolytes are tied to steel path

[modest stream]

gotcha

[strange plinth]

i remember ending up in sp lobbies more often than not (for obvious reasons), but not noticing until i got one-shot by some random enemy. stalker is a glass cannon

[celest needle]

Those are his illegitimate kids forgotten by the lore

He does not claim custody of them

[modest stream]

oh thats cute lol

PLEASE DONT STAB ME

god that face update cannot come sooner

[strange plinth]

lol

[modest stream]

did I just play a contractions minigame

[fast dew]

Yrah

[strange plinth]

yes lmfao

[modest stream]

what in the Kojima...

[fast dew]

Its actually you as the operator helping her give birth

[modest stream]

I refuse to believe that a member of Corpus could have a heart

[strange plinth]

she lost her job for that
maybe more

[modest stream]

probably more

[celest needle]

Now play ascension for 4 hours

[strange plinth]

the jade farming experience

[waxen mesa]

who is "he" when Misery warns us that 'he' is using us for profits

[strange plinth]

alad v

[waxen mesa]

so like.. is SP suppose to be between one of Alad V's betrayals?

[strange plinth]

their lines from the shadow debt operation were never updated or removed, so they're still hunting down alad and we're in their way
according to the dialogue

[lean garden]

no its just hold overs from shadow debt

[fast dew]

They also call him an orokin

Again. For some reason.

[lean garden]

also shadow debt things

[celest needle]

Why are they hunting Alad V in 1999 😭

[strange plinth]

why are they in 1999
er, how

[proper barn]

4 hours?

It's not that long.

[celest needle]

reasons

[celest needle]

to farm the full jade set

[proper barn]

Eh

[strange plinth]

if you have particularly bad luck
but yeah it generally doesn't take super long

[celest needle]

including weapons?

[modest stream]

wish there was a way to get that suped up hate from the end of the quest

[celest needle]

its the incarnon form of it actually

they just reskinned it for the quest using the Enlightened Hate Skin

[modest stream]

didn't realize Hate HAD an incarnon lol

[proper barn]

No?

It's just the skin right

I got the skin idk if it's only available during the event

[celest needle]

I swear I heard they used its incarnon form

[proper barn]

No? Just rhe skin if I remember.

[modest stream]

unless the skin makes it shoot out giant blade beams

[strange plinth]

incarnon makes "forward and neutral combos embed explosive blades"
which doesn't sound like that

probably quest-specific thing

[celest needle]

I swear I heard it from somewhere say it used its incarnon form I'm not making it up

it was most likely a mistake

[strange plinth]

no i think i was also present for that conversation
and i was just as confused then

[lean garden]

as mentioned, you can get the skin, itll likely come with the new event with Old Peace's launch, and then you make do with the incarnon

[strange turtle]

Found out about Gregory

[brittle siren]

what

[strange plinth]

what

why would margulis dying to the jade light change anything?

he put her there

[humble sierra]

I get him being like "oh this reminds me of Margulis" but knowing Ballas that would just make him even more bitter

Not merciful

[strange plinth]

also the "I still imagine there was only one Jade"
there's not really evidence for that
there's nothing saying that there weren't other Jades made. not really anything saying that this Jade was the first, either, iirc

[humble sierra]

God I hope DE gives these sorts of Warframes some prime lore

Not necessarily a trailer, that's a lot of resources I'm assuming

But even what Lavos got is enough

[strange plinth]

yea, lavos prime and caliban prime's descriptions had enough detail to give an idea

[humble sierra]

There's a lot of Warframes recently where it implies they're not mass produced, or even completely unique

[brittle siren]

I mean Rev Prime (his accessories) hinting that Unum has a hand in creating him
Xaku Prime have Entrati Obols on them

[humble sierra]

Oh no I'm not complaining about any recent ones

Just worried that ones like Temple, Dante, Kullervo and Jade might not get explanations when they probably need one

[brittle siren]

Dante isn't that unique since there could be more Dante beside the one that help Loid and Durusu

Kullervo would also the same case with Sevagoth

[strange plinth]

i like the idea that kullervo started prime but CE'd himself into his regular form
but idk how plausible it is

[celest needle]

Old Prime Lore: altered mod polarities for greater customization.

Do wish some old primes got like, some lore in them then vanity descriptions

[strange plinth]

"White, gold and deepest scarlet, the queen of gore in full regalia."

[brittle siren]

Mag Prime have 1 I think

[strange plinth]

some of the 'original' primes have lore mostly unrelated to them

mag, ember, rhino
another i am forgetting i think

[brittle siren]

ngl Volt getting the least lore out of the trio is strange to me

[celest needle]

To be fair [iirc] he wasn't even a starter warframe at all until a later update

that belonged to Loki

[strange plinth]

excal, mag, and loki were the first starters, then volt replaced loki
loki also doesn't have any lore tho

[brittle siren]

oh
but Loki got nothing, even worse than Volt

Volt got Protoframe version at least

[celest needle]

Loki fans stay suffering

[fast dew]

Temple became a prime
Dante wasn't the only Dante, just the one that was associated to those people
Kullervo just wasn't the prime variant

Pretty easy to explain imo

[brittle siren]

How would Temple become prime if Ballas never create the base one?

[fast dew]

How do you think temple exists?

[celest needle]

I am more interested in those prime designs
the glow up on them is insane

Gauss Prime is practically Gauss's default look.

[brittle siren]

Ballas make a bp and Albrecht made them in 1999

[strange plinth]

-# them*

[fast dew]

*them

We know warframes later became primes. Through what process? Unknown, but it was something that happened.

[brittle siren]

sorry

[brittle siren]

the only 3 ppl that can Prime a frame, is Ballas, Albrecht (prob) and Lavos

[fast dew]

Albrecht has no hand in the warframe project

[brittle siren]

Xaku Prime:

[fast dew]

He probably stole the samples

[fast dew]

Xaku might not even been his, all 3 warframes. All for we know Albrecht ditched current day origin system before he could see Xaku prime form

[brittle siren]

everything that made by the Entrati family has their signature gold obol on the design

[fast dew]

The entrati family's thing

Not Albrecht's. The entrati's as a whole.

[strange plinth]

it seems fairly likely that albrecht primed them after they returned, though

[fast dew]

Ehhh?

We have no indication he is possible of that

Most he's ever done it seems was design Qorvex

[brittle siren]

we are talking about PRIME a frame not creating one
also Albrecht could create a frame, evident with Qorvex, which design by Albrecht

[strange plinth]

he's designed qorvex and messed with helminth batches enough to slow them for the protos
i don't see why he couldn't prime xaku

[brittle siren]

then who is in the family that could do that? The Son?

or the Father

the only plausible person that could prime sth is the Mother, but i doubt it

[fast dew]

Design doesn't necessarily mean physically kidnap a person and grow the infestation on them

Albrecht modified the strains, sure, but it was to slow them down

And who could prime a warframe isn't known, those parts are still from actual warframes, aren't they?

[brittle siren]

you misunderstood how Prime work lmao
heck, we don't even know how Ballas prime a warframe. You assume that he use infested (aka Helminth) to prime one? Helminth could not even consumed Prime frame

Like Excal Prime, when the bp was lost, no one can replicate him anymore

[fast dew]

We know it happened. We know it was a common thing to occur to warframes.

[strange plinth]

some frames started prime, so the helminth can absolutely make primes

[fast dew]

Yes absolutely, this too lmao

Helminth can, that's what the prime variant of the base strain is

Prime isn't always the same base frame either

[brittle siren]

Can it though? We never see Helminth do it ever. Also if it can spit out Prime, then why Albrecht dont just, spit out Excal Prime proto?

[fast dew]

For rare cases like Temple, maybe

Because Albrecht only had set samples and probably didn't have a helminth unit?

[brittle siren]

Prime in lore generally stronger than base

[strange plinth]

primes are just fancy versions of the basic, iirc there's no actual difference in power

[fast dew]

He used the hex to cultivate the stuff required for the vessels and the grey strain

[brittle siren]

we literally have a big chunk of Helminth in the back room and it spread to the mall too

[fast dew]

And... it didn't try to eat Albrecht how? It tries to eat our kavats occasionally

[brittle siren]

iirc Prime Hildryn is said to use for some private job like protecting higher Orokin rank?

[fast dew]

... ballas. Protecting ballas.

[celest needle]

Poor Kavat 🥀

[brittle siren]

and the frame we see protecting the resevoir also all Prime frame

[strange plinth]

yeah, they're fancy. higher designations

[fast dew]

Prime vanguard.

[brittle siren]

when did it try to eat Albrecht?

[fast dew]

It tries to eat our cats, do you think it wouldn't try to eat him?

[brittle siren]

anyway my point is, Albrecht is the only one could prime a frame in the whole family

[fast dew]

... no

We don't even know if Albrecht was around for xaku or xaku prime

[brittle siren]

and does it consumed it ever?

[brittle siren]

Xaku bp was in Entrati hand

[strange plinth]

xaku prime's pieces look to be directly primed from the original's, rather than being a similar process that xaku went through but w/ the individual primes

[fast dew]

... grandmother's.

Grandmother's hand.

[strange plinth]

xaku's pieces were lost on entrati void expeditions
while that doesn't narrow it down a ton, albrecht is certainly in the pool of people that could've been using them

[fast dew]

Who is known to be friends with other warframes (yareli)

[fast dew]

Mother also does void expeditions, she has nightmares about them

[brittle siren]

and part of the Entrati family (not by blood, but still)

[fast dew]

Yeah. We know xaku's frames was assigned to to the entrati family, but considering how long the sanctum had been locked down for

[brittle siren]

during Old War iirc

[fast dew]

Post old peace, post deimos nuke.

Loid talks about fighting the infestation

[brittle siren]

my point still stand, Albrecht did prime Xaku, evident on the gold obol on their chest and shoulder plate

if Ballas or Lavos did it, there would be none of that

[fast dew]

Obols aren't a Albrecht exclusive.

[brittle siren]

it is

[fast dew]

Its not.

The necramechs for example. Something he had no hand in designing.

That was Father.

[brittle siren]

???????????????????????????????????????

[fast dew]

"Of the entrati family"

[strange plinth]

they are entrati obols, not albrecht obols
but they are certainly a motif of albrecht's work

[fast dew]

Its not an Albrecht exclusive.

[brittle siren]

yes but again
who in the family could make a warframe become prime? None of them has knowledge to even made a basic warframe

[fast dew]

It very well could be mother's. Albrecht was seen as insane after a while.

[brittle siren]

the only one who has deep knowledge about it, is Albrecht

[fast dew]

Nor does Albrecht, for sure.

[brittle siren]

Mother went mad after Albrecht leave her

[fast dew]

No? That was Deimos and the infestation.

She was just grieving. Like any daughter would.

[humble sierra]

Garuda's lore so bad that even her prime description can be inaccurate with a single press of "randomize colors"

[brittle siren]

did you read any of the Father dialouge lmao

[fast dew]

She stabbed him. For telling her to accept her dad was DEAD.

I guess daughter went insane and shot off Father's arm then?

Deimos ruined her memory.

[brittle siren]

that before the nuke lmao

[strange plinth]

wha

[fast dew]

Hell, Father didn't even remember when he met his wife and if Albrecht was around.

When we know he was.

Loid was around for the grandchildren. Used to carry Son on his shoulders

But Father says he met Mother after Albrecht left.

[strange plinth]

there's also the culverin in the labs being designed by Father

[fast dew]

Mhm

[fast dew]

Im using this as an example as it was from the same update

Whispers only added further context

[humble sierra]

Was Loid mentioned in the initial Deimos stuff?

[fast dew]

Mhm

[humble sierra]

Like as a human, not CephaLoid

[fast dew]

Son has a line

[prime torrent]

A whole lot of family issues pretty much with the Entrati family

[brittle siren]

I mean I would think this happen before the nuke since he said that he standing there. Idk

[fast dew]

"Loid used to lift me onto his back to ride around the gardens! How strange to suddenly think of that."

Necraloid certainly doesn't have a back a person could put their weight on, now does he?

[brittle siren]

also where did the Father said that he met Mother after Albrecht left?

[strange plinth]

"When I met her, Mother, she was as brilliant as she was broken. Chasing her father's ghost, convinced he was still 'out there'."
talking to father during heart of deimos

[brittle siren]

ah the quest

yeah she gone mad since then

I dont think she would prime a warframe during that time, or anytime at all

[fast dew]

Lowkey given Albrecht’s connection to ballas, he deadass could've asked him

[strange plinth]

i don't like that idea as much but its possible, yeah
but that is an opinion n that doesn't matter for lore lmao

[stiff beacon]

I still think albrecht lifted shit from Ballas without Ballas knowing

[fast dew]

I don't like the idea as much as the next person but it is the most probable option

[brittle siren]

I mean knowing Ballas, he would not help Albrecht in any way unless another member of the Seven asks Ballas to do it. And while Ballas is really good at Warframe stuff, most of Xaku is basically void stuff, which is already in Albrecht's department. Again the possibility of Ballas collab with Entrati is not zero, but very weird for a person like him to voluntarily do that without giving any benefit

[jade forge]

I don't see what would be weird about Ballas being tasked with making some prime warframes for Entrati.

[brittle siren]

Also, Ballas and Albrecht seem to never have any real personal connection, considering that everything Albrecht does is off Ballas' radar completely. The only thing that connects them at all is Albrecht being a void “father”, which means 80% of Orokin tech depends on Entrati

[jade forge]

Since they were presumably used in void dives.

[brittle siren]

Ballas is egotistical

All the Prime trailers prove that he only cares about himself above others. Only Protea Prime has confirmed that he is being forced to make a frame so it could calm down Parvos

Other than that, no evidence that he helped Albrecht in any way. Even Qorvex, protoframes and Vessels are all Albrecht's own doing

[fast dew]

Where do you think Albrecht got oraxia?

[brittle siren]

He made her himself? Like he can make Qorvex, Oraxia isn't that far-fetched

Tbh Oraxia lore is as much as Koumei lore so we don't really know their origin

[fast dew]

No.

He didn't make her

[brittle siren]

Heck most of the frame in this game is ambiguous about their origin

[fast dew]

How would he? By that time he would have little to no information about the infestation like he would later.

[brittle siren]

Also you: the Mother make Xaku prime definitely

[fast dew]

Have i said that?

Im saying its unlikely Albrecht did it, same with oraxia.

[brittle siren]

Oraxia is a strange case, we don't know much about her lore enough

So I'm just guessing based on what Albrecht could do up until now

[dark compass]

We know she's with Oberon

[brittle siren]

Funny that Oberon is a deer but both of his most popular ships are an insect and an arachnid

[dark compass]

(she's actually with Inaros)

[fast dew]

It could be, i didn't say definitely.

Oraxia predates Albrecht's experimentation with the helminth strain, that came after.

[brittle siren]

“Definitely” is me being exaggerated
Because it seems like you keep heavily against the fact that Albrecht could totally make a Warframe into prime

[fast dew]

We know he would've gotten the strains from Ballas, literally noone else had them

[fast dew]

And this is relevant how...?

[brittle siren]

Again, we don't know much about Oraxia, it could just be another Dante case when she volunteers to help him

[brittle siren]

We literally have a whole convo surrounding this lmao

I started by saying Albrecht makes Xaku into Prime (and one of the 3 people can do it in this game)

And from that point, it would make Temple Prime more plausible because Ballas and Lavos are no longer here, only Albrecht can make them Prime.

[fast dew]

Albrecht "designed" Qorvex, Had oraxia, and the other frames making up xaku were just assigned to house entrati.

[brittle siren]

I forgot Unum but let's be real: she's not gonna do the same trick on a frame that she never met in any way

[fast dew]

Not like having warframes assigned to you was particularly odd.

[brittle siren]

Again, I'm still talking about Prime

Stop migrate into Oraxia please

[fast dew]

I mean knowing Ballas, he would not help Albrecht in any way unless another member of the Seven asks Ballas to do it. And while Ballas is really good at Warframe stuff, most of Xaku is basically void stuff, which is already in Albrecht's department. Again the possibility of Ballas collab with Entrati is not zero, but very weird for a person like him to voluntarily do that without giving any benefit

I was talking about this.

[brittle siren]

And? That point is saying that Ballas had no reason to help Albrecht unless he was forced to, which up to this day, there is no evidence for that

[fast dew]

Mainly the strange lack of belief that ballas would work with a person.

Albrecht was the father of void travel. He probably asked Albrecht for aid on travelling to tau. You know. Like we know both wanted to do.

[brittle siren]

So why would Ballas help Albrecht improve Xaku Prime for no reason, and also let Albrecht put the family obols on Xaku

[fast dew]

There's no way Albrecht just. Happened to make the same warframe strains. Ballas probably gave them to him.

Albrecht has been known to interact with other people like ballas, like parvos.

Oh

Yeah. Parvos and Ballas.

Parvos had a prime warframe, for himself.

[brittle siren]

Give me 1 proof that Ballas and Albrecht are working together please. Unlike Caliban Prime, there is no indication that them collaborate besides family business

[fast dew]

What the hell did parvos give Ballas, that Ballas couldn't possibly have?

[fast dew]

Albrecht had the strains. The specific strains only Ballas made.

[brittle siren]

Could you read this pls

[fast dew]

Vessels weren't all Albrecht's doing lmao

[brittle siren]

And? Does that somehow make Ballas directly create the proto, or Qorvex?

[brittle siren]

Had to break it to you, but it is

[fast dew]

... yeah... kinda.

[brittle siren]

Nope. So by that logic, Natah's birth is Ballas doing? Sure he let the Sentient to exist, that does not mean that he is their creator.

[fast dew]

"It was Loid who pointed out the singular attributes of the Grey Strain."

So loid pointed it out first

"Not long after, the first of my Vessels took form. A giant to battle giants, merging the humanity of the man Arthur, the anatomical perfection of Ballas' Warframes"

Directly inspired by ballas' warframes. Gee, wonder what that could mean.

[mental herald]

Is lotus natah or marguis or both

[brittle siren]

But again, does Ballas contribute to helping in any case?

Also by your logic, Ballas also uses the Deimos Heart to operate the Warframe

[fast dew]

You do know that all protoframes would turn into actual warframes eventually, right? We literally see it with ||Roathe|| and Flare. All Albrecht did was slow the process.

By a technicality, yes, Ballas made the protoframes, just didnt care to stop at that point.

[fast dew]

... yes. All warframes do? If ballas uses warframes, then yes, he uses the heart to power them.

Thought that was like.

Well known?

[brittle siren]

And the heart is Albrecht’s

[fast dew]

Also

WHERE DO YOU THINK ALBRECHT GOT THE STRAINS FROM TO INJECT INTO THE HEX.

[brittle siren]

Oh wow so without Albrecht, Warframe won't exist either

[fast dew]

Can't sample them from pre-existing warframes, like for flare.

[fast dew]

As a game? Yes???

[brittle siren]

No, I mean literal Warframe

[fast dew]

Without Albrecht getting the fingers cut off, we would never have even got to the zariman

[strange turtle]

Without Albrecht and the Heart, voidtech wouldn’t work no

[fast dew]

Transference wouldn't exist, so warframes wouldn't. He has a hand in their creation, intentional or not.

[brittle siren]

Yep, that's technically for you, everyone has sth to contribute to ANYTHING

[fast dew]

How do you think Albrecht got the strains to infect the hex.

[brittle siren]

So let me ask again
Did Ballas had his hand DIRECTLY on the priming of Xaku

Yes or no

[fast dew]

How. do. you. think. Albrecht. got. the. strains. to. infect. the. hex.

Pulled it out of Wally's ass or something??

[brittle siren]

Jesus this guy is just dense

[fast dew]

You still won't answer.

You don't have an answer, do you?

[strange plinth]

natah, yes. margulis, not really.
ballas programmed the margulis personality and memories into lotus. natah was the sentient mimic queen.
margulis was executed via jade light way before

[fast dew]

I have an answer, just depends on yours.

[brittle siren]

It Ballas yes I know that, but it's unrelated to the damn Priming stuff I was talking about

[fast dew]

Albrecht probably just asked Ballas to prime xaku. There. He knew Ballas, had a favour from him.

[brittle siren]

No proof

[fast dew]

.... we have proof that he has a relationship with ballas

[brittle siren]

Caliban Prime has indicate that Ballas did help

[brittle siren]

By personal or by political?

[fast dew]

That... doesn't matter. Relationship is a relationship.

Albrecht was incredibly important

[brittle siren]

No
It very different

[strange plinth]

there's no proof in either direction for xaku afaik. there's a ballas connection and there's a qorvex design.

[strange turtle]

Yeah, but it doesn’t matter when with either one you can get him to do frame stuff

[fast dew]

Albrecht had a lot of things that could be beneficial to ballas.

Yk. Dude who made void travel possible. Which is something ballas needed.

[brittle siren]

Yeah but Thomas said Albrecht can't prime a frame

[fast dew]

We have no proof he can.

[fast dew]

You seem adamant on that idea.

[brittle siren]

Because Xaku literally have the Obols on them

[fast dew]

Where did i say he couldn't? I said there was no real indication lmao

[strange plinth]

yo i'm in the screenshot wowa

[brittle siren]

Oh my mucking Wally

[fast dew]

So does the necramechs, which are certainly not made by Albrecht.

[brittle siren]

Sure, Albrecht is a dummy that can't do anything without Ballas, happy?

[fast dew]

That's a gross overreaction. He isn't stupid, its just not something he has ever done. While ballas has

Which we knew he had a relationship with.

[brittle siren]

Let me ask you: how many ppl in the family know how to made a waframe

[fast dew]

Dawg. The point of that statement is to say that having obols do not necessarily mean that its a Albrecht exclusive thing. Im saying that a warframe assigned to the entrati family as a whole having obols on their prime, doesn't mean Albrecht made it.

[brittle siren]

Grandmother, Father, Daughter, and Son are out of the picture (well tbf Grandmother is unknown for me, but she doesn't have a reason to make Xaku into Prime)

Mother is too busy grieving

And I wonder who the last possible member is? Hmmm so hard to think

[fast dew]

grandmother is unknown
she literally had Xaku's bp and knew of Yareli's blueprint hidden in waverider

[strange plinth]

one, maybe
qorvex was designed by albrecht, but not made by him
albrecht messed with the helminth batches for protos, which gives him a little experience
it is possible that albrecht primed xaku. it is possible that ballas did it for him.

[strange plinth]

she is connected to a couple things, huh

[fast dew]

I'm just saying that the evidence that Albrecht primed xaku is just "obols", compared to the person who has done it multiple times. The obols could've just been a request by any one of the family.

[brittle siren]

Yes I know that obols does not mean Albrecht takes all the credit, but if it's there, someone has to have a hand in making Xaku Prime

[fast dew]

Or... someone just... asked Ballas to do it

The entrati family were super influential. They own a whole moon

Only 12km, but its still a whole celestial body

Ive seen farms bigger but its the principle of it

[brittle siren]

Why would anyone in the family want to ask one of the Seven to do sth for them…?

Ballas is like at the peak of the Orokin empire, Entrati is important but still insignificant compared to any of the Seven

[brittle siren]

Also “unknown” here is that we don't really know if Grandmother is also a scientist

She met Dagath and knew Yareli was like Loid acquainted with Dante, kinda

[pale cedar]

It isn’t the first time the Entrati family has asked for something from Ballas and got it

[brittle siren]

Could you give me some example

[pale cedar]

Dagath

[brittle siren]

Isn't Dagath is for some random ppl outside of Entrati family though?

(random Orokin)

[narrow pendant]

albrecht needed some helminth samples for his vessels

[fast dew]

Oh yeah. Grandmother casually living through an encounter with Dagath

[pale cedar]

Grandmother is directly responsible for the Dax becoming a frame named Dagath

[brittle siren]

And we don't really know if Dagath ever landed on Deimos since Grandmother met Dagath when she was still young, likely before even the Father's marriage

[brittle siren]

Is she though??

[fast dew]

Yes?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[fast dew]

Thats the whole naberus story

[brittle siren]

Where did it say that may I ask? Because as far as I know, Grandmother only gives the name after Dagath kills the couple

[fast dew]

She survived an encounter with Dagath, who would murder anyone who didn't have a gift for her on naberus night.

[brittle siren]

Uh that AFTER the murdering of that Orokin couple

Kinda unrelated to “Grandmother help the creation of Dagath the Warframe”

While she only gives her NAME to the frame

[fast dew]

Also

Might i say

A rando orokin couple managed to get their slave to be warframified

So..

[narrow pendant]

i thought she was a dax

grineer was the slave class

[fast dew]

Why do you think they chose a caste that physically couldn't say no to a orokin.

[narrow pendant]

just pointing out inconsistency in what youre saying

[pale cedar]

Orokin don’t really care about rank if you want a person framed you can get them framed

[fast dew]

They're both slave castes, just in different ways.

[brittle siren]

I mean Ballas agree because he want to troll those 2

by making Dagath face smile 24/7

[fast dew]

Grineer might only be under by their status as clones.

[fast dew]

Wasn't that mirage, and wasn't that her actively warping the helminthification?

[brittle siren]

Grineer is even lower than normal human I would think

[hot mural]

Mirage kept on laughing

They forced Dagath's face to be smiling

[narrow pendant]

dax were bodyguards/soldiers that partook in games and other activities with orokin while grineer were disposable workers

[fast dew]

Still couldn't say no to a orokin

Some would call Loid a slave, regardless of his status. Despite how much i disagree with that.

He is a manservant, but seemingly a higher caste than the others

[brittle siren]

no

[brittle siren]

again, Ballas do that because he want to see how the couple would react to Dagath face

[fast dew]

... what

[brittle siren]

(I assumed so)

[fast dew]

Dawg thats in response to the orokin couple specifically choosing the one rank that physically couldn't say no to them, as a slave

As a "lover".

Disgusting. Horrid.

[hot mural]

We talking bout the horse or the dax?

[brittle siren]

tbh Ballas hate love so it could be him being salty about it and make Dagath face smile forever

[fast dew]

The dax.

[brittle siren]

like he did this on Jade and Stalker

[hot mural]

Hold on let me summon an expert @pale cedar whats ur take on this

[brittle siren]

also I re-read the story and it said nothing about Entrati ask Ballas to create Dagath

[hot mural]

Not Entrati but an Orokin couple

They wanted an slave/sex doll

[fast dew]

Yes Albrecht and Loid are different, loid has absolutely told Albrecht no before. Albrecht also sees Loid as above him, and himself as unworthy.

Loid just aided Albrecht in his actions for the sake of it, i suppose.

[hot mural]

They dont see the Dax as more than tools or objects

[fast dew]

Its taboo to have relations with a dax.

[brittle siren]

she just one of the victim for Ballas twisted experiment

[fast dew]

Naturally, the orokin couple did so.

And threw her away when she didn't entertain them.

[brittle siren]

not stopping Ballas from loving a Archemedian though

[hot mural]

Shit it was also Taboo relations with Sentients yet here we have Ballas doing so, they make the rules and they break them xd

[fast dew]

The orokin rewrote laws to fit them. The ones who could at least.

Ballas specifically

[hot mural]

The high 7 right?

[fast dew]

Normal orokin can't just change the laws

[fast dew]

The 7, the 7 executors

[hot mural]

Yeah that

[brittle siren]

tbh I think Ballas having "fake" affair with Margulis is not common knowledge

[fast dew]

We don't know 2 of them, but there is a decent amount known. Just... like. I think only 1 is known to be semi alive

[frank galleon]

Is the orokin we read about in the imprint stories with the grineer potentially one of the twin queens?

[brittle siren]

from the little gold cat statue yes

[frank galleon]

The little gold cat statue?

[hot mural]

Talking about Taboo Im gonna do something Taboo for warframe players

[fast dew]

This is nihil btw, he is semialive

[hot mural]

Take a shower brb

[fast dew]

I just had one

[hot mural]

Semi Orokin/Semi cephalon right

[fast dew]

Hes in the toob