lore-discussion

[fast dew]

Maybe? But he refused to experiment on her due to his belief that if oro was real, she would have it

[restive river]

Let my girl speak

[restive river]

But if it’s not an experiment and is to save her?

[stiff fable]

I don't think he needed to experiment ON her, just WITH her

In 1999 I mean

We know he already did something with her when she died the first time

[fast dew]

Mm. Maybe?

[fast dew]

We don't fully know if kalymos died, just what loid suspects

[restive river]

I mean whatever he did fixed what was wrong lol

[stiff fable]

that cat was dying and came back fine

[placid cypress]

Maybe her body died, but her oro was stuck between the real world and void

[stiff fable]

Two plus two only equals fish when moon logic or the Void is involved

[restive river]

If oro is even real

[placid cypress]

True

[restive river]

Lua logic

[fast dew]

Unlikely. Oro probably doesn't exist, and is probably just a philosophical idea

[stiff fable]

Conclave lore says Oro is real

since Lunaro is literally training to capture and destroy it

Warframe lore really does pop up in the strangest places

[placid cypress]

Funny story about Lua, I didn't know lua lenses existed until last night (been playing for a couple years now lol)

[stiff fable]

pfffffffft

[restive river]

If they got oro then how
And if thats the case then what the heck does wally want from us if the void can just make oro

[placid cypress]

He needs a manifestation

Of Oro

[restive river]

Afaik the leading theory on what we owe him is our oro

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/the-cat-in-the-hat-i-got-nothing-i-dont-know-mike-myers-im-lost-gif-21119475

[placid cypress]

oo that's kinda cool

[stiff fable]

See I think it's the other way around

[restive river]

We offered our light
He accepted our light
What did he mean cause we met somethin’ different?

[stiff fable]

What Wally wants is flesh

He has immortality

He copies bodies but they're not really real

[restive river]

Oh
So
He gets finger
Makes us pay up
Takes either Operator or Drifter and the other one has to save everyone, somehow

[stiff fable]

Not like Rusalka is for him

[restive river]

Russalka is def gonna relate to his weakness

She’s got a big heart iirc

[placid cypress]

I hope drifted doesn't get shafted

[restive river]

Lotsa love and passion

[stiff fable]

Also she embodies the five spirals of Duviri

[fast dew]

Oh yeah i should schizopost this here too (i sound delusional when explaining this)

Have yall realised the top chat has no text yet? You can see the other's first letters well enough to tell which letter is which but the top one doesn't have one, also i don't think the eye being there is a placeholder as all other places where the triad's symbol is, has their symbol, and you'd think it would follow the set precedent that the hex has with their group chat, yeah?

[stiff fable]

Along Came A Spider follows the spirals, which is a neat detail

[restive river]

If we choose which one gives themselves to him then one of us gets briefly shafted and how the other beats him relates to their respective post lotus eater quests
Drifter with love for the Hex
Operator with, uh. Trauma? Grief?

[stiff fable]

The Lotus herself

[restive river]

We could see a playable Lotus for a quest
We can customize her energy and that’s never seen at any point

[placid cypress]

At least with tOP Lotus can finally get off of that ledge

[stiff fable]

I'm guessing that the finale of the questline will involve different segments for Drifter and Operator

Drifter will probably have a Duviri section

Operator... Probably relives the Zariman incident again

[restive river]

Drifter relives a portion of Duviri and gets out thanks to the Hex (not literally)
Operator relives the war and gets out thanks to Lotus, Adis, literally anyone they care about that they’ve helped lol

[stiff fable]

Only this time with extra parent killing action

[restive river]

It is the only trauma we haven’t directly relived
Just remembered enough

[stiff fable]

(optionally)

[placid cypress]

Does WF have an arachnophobia toggle?

[restive river]

We remember in the war within but we don’t see anything, just remember it
A more vivid version post Deal would be cool

[restive river]

No, I don’t think it’d need one tbh

Oraxia ain’t that bad and the Orbs aren’t either

[stiff fable]

I've heard Oraxia set off a few people

[placid cypress]

Was just thinking, Oraxia:

[stiff fable]

But it's grapevine stuff

[placid cypress]

Yeah lol

[restive river]

I have it and I’m fine with her

[strange plinth]

they did their best to avoid the common arachnophobia triggers w/ oraxia but its still hit a few people

[restive river]

Reduced amount of legs

[placid cypress]

Yeah

[restive river]

She hits the same as uhh
The iron spider??

[placid cypress]

Are you good with centipedes?

[restive river]

HA
No

[strange plinth]

pretty sure its part of why the scuttler walk animation looks so goofy

[stiff fable]

I think some of it might be arachnophobia hypochondria? If that's a thing??

[placid cypress]

XD

[stiff fable]

Like I gave myself arachnophobia as a teenager because someone mentioned they were afraid of spiders

[restive river]

Oh fun fact
I’m pretty sure they reused the bones for the rachnoids for the weavers in Soulframe, those are spiders but have the same kinda leg structure

[placid cypress]

I always thought of them as the lil viruses out of Alan Becker's animation

[stiff fable]

It wasn't for a few years that I realized I didn't need to worry since I didn't live in Australia

[placid cypress]

Huntsman be like

[restive river]

Them getting around arachnaphobia by making all spiders have 4 legs instead and big without those eyes works p well

[stiff fable]

Huh thought

Did DE start working on Oraxia because they were looking to bring back wall running?

[restive river]

I want a wall run for her

[stiff fable]

Originally Oraxia was going to have full wall movement

[restive river]

I’ll take an augment even

[restive river]

And ceiling

[placid cypress]

Potentially, something that I've been thinking of tho... They have like 3/4 of the upcoming warframe (concepts and models) done and ready

That's kinda crazy, that meand that they already know the story that far ahead

[stiff fable]

Oh yeah just design wise you need to be way ahead in terms of concepting and writing

[placid cypress]

Id LOVE to work at DE

[stiff fable]

Because stuff moves around and needs to change for all sorts of reasons

[placid cypress]

Yeah, Id love to see the concepts and stuff

[stiff fable]

Like, Lavos was originally going to have Cyte-09's body

[placid cypress]

ooooo

Didnt know that

[stiff fable]

But they didn't think it worked quite right

Temple's been banging around since before covid as well iirc

[placid cypress]

Yeah, Id love to see a voidframe concept, maybe an angel typa thing

[stiff fable]

Xaku lol

Void angel fractals will probably have to be a skin

[placid cypress]

True, but more actual void focused

[placid cypress]

Fair

I think we need a tau frame

(Not Caliban)

[stiff fable]

If I ever teach myself rigging I'm doing void angel skins for Xaku, Kullervo and Sevagoth

[placid cypress]

Perfect choices

I just want a Dante skin 🥲

Please DE

Were gonna get his prime and deluxe before any

[restive river]

Xaku

[stiff fable]

I hope a possessed Dante becomes a boss fight

[placid cypress]

May he cry during it?

[restive river]

Didn’t the original get taken by Walldo

[placid cypress]

Uh

[stiff fable]

He self-deleted

[placid cypress]

Yeah

[stiff fable]

As it was happening

[restive river]

Also Xaku for a void angel skin would make sense
Ofc any frame lost in the void would but Xaku specifically utilizes the void like no other frame

[stiff fable]

close enough for government work

[restive river]

Sevagoth and Kullervo just got lost there
Dante just read a spooky book relating to it
But Xaku? Whole different relationship to the void

Literally, in a way they are born from it

[placid cypress]

Yeah i was just saying I need a Dante skin lol

[stiff fable]

Xaku I think conceptually embodied themself

[restive river]

Heck the reason their void tendrils or “void spirits” exist is likely due to conceptual embodiment

[placid cypress]

Gatsby type shiiii

[stiff fable]

Three frames that wanted to go home

[restive river]

Or felt lonely

Or empty

[stiff fable]

What came back was none of them, and made from them

[restive river]

Or
Lost

Also yes we do need a Dante skin

@placid cypress go on the steam workshop for warframe and look at the dante skins and helmets

There’s a banger helmet that’s like
Hands?? Or a crown?? Idk its exposed and so cool

[placid cypress]

Lemme check (in bed rn it's 2am lol)

[restive river]

I hope a Dante Deluxe gives him glasses

Anyway
Lore
Xaku probably CE’d themselves into their present situation

[stiff fable]

Yeah that's my working theory

Though it's also possible that the family was responsible for the conceptual embodiment

They wanted to see the Warframes back and didn't care how....

[placid cypress]

Seen this heirloom concept

[stiff fable]

Apropos of nothing, but Higasa and Amanata having unique base damage augments makes me wish that Koumei had a unique aura augment

[restive river]

the beard should be longer tbh

[restive river]

they wanted results so hard that they certainly got a result

[stiff fable]

The void giveth

[restive river]

Xaku is weird cause
Does the rest of the family know of them? Grandma does, she expressly gives us their blueprint
but the rest of their blueprints are from bounties, and iirc all those rewards are things we find?
So they maybe knew?

Then we have Xaku Prime and also the fact Xaku has multiple things that tie them to not just the entratis but Albrecht, primarily the names of their void abilities
who named Xaku's abilities?

It could easily be they themselves named them, being a being made from the void and factually having mastery over it to some degree they could easily have learned some voidtongue words, especially the important ones like Xata and Lohk

semi-related cause I just want to gush but Xata's Whisper not only imbuing the frame with void energy for their weapons (alluding to the power source of the frames) but covers the frame in infested goop (alluding to their infested nature)

[hidden cove]

I wasn't around between Fortuna and June 2023, but isn't Xaku a community-designed Warframe?

[restive river]

They are, yes

I don't think that really changes anything since
they're in the game

Nova has a whole leverian and she was a community made frame too

[hidden cove]

Ah ok

[proper barn]

Nova was too yeah.

God I'm so happy Nova got a rework.

[restive river]

I think things just worked out really well for DE, Xaku pairs wonderfully with Heart of Deimos

[hidden cove]

Fractured family comes together || fractured warframes come together

[proper barn]

I still don't get why people don't wanna go back to diemos when it's the best open world.

[restive river]

Their lore is literally lost fragments that are now together as a composite, a family of sorts that's origins lie in the Entrati Void expeditions from the Orokin Era

[proper barn]

But that's just me.

[restive river]

also like
Being voidy

[proper barn]

Diemos is also the only like open world that doesn't have a side mission mode thing.

[dark compass]

Gravimags in the recipe that used to force you to lvl up Fortuna to max are also here

[proper barn]

Like Fortuna does and Cetus does.

[restive river]

Duviri, staring you in the face;
(its different tbh cause the gameplay lol)

[proper barn]

Yee.

Diemos also has the good verison of standing and bounties.

But you know.

[dark compass]

Deimos Undermind 2026

Oh wait that's just Sanctum Anatomica

[restive river]

instead Deimos gets major lore relevancy and 3.5 syndicates

[proper barn]

I mean I WOULD TAKE IT.

[proper barn]

No that doesn't count.

[restive river]

that is just the sanctum lol

[proper barn]

I don't count a connecting area as that.

[hidden cove]

Probably open world fatigue and burnout. Not only is Deimos yet another mostly self-contained content island, but it needs content from multiple other content islands

[proper barn]

That doesn't feel like it's correct.

[dark compass]

I want to explore the unum tower again

[restive river]

but the undermind is a connecting area-

[dark compass]

HAH

[proper barn]

I still think yall need the word content island taken away.

[restive river]

it's not even part of the open world

its UNDER it
The Sanctum is UNDER the rest of Deimos!

[hidden cove]

Is that the wrong term?

'Vertical slice'?

[proper barn]

Okay yes and no.

It's kinda what the word means but I think diemos connects enough.

[hidden cove]

Fair enough

[proper barn]

We don't have to go into it.

[hidden cove]

Still though

[dark compass]

Anatomica is Deimos Undermind, they even have an annoying corpus person messing everything up

[stiff fable]

That's the isovaults

[dark compass]

That's true though

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-that's-true-feel-that-thats-xata-xata-warframe-meme-gif-15531284589461707381

[strange plinth]

i wouldn't mind a little isovault expansion tbh

[hidden cove]

In order to get some of what Deimos has to offer, especially building blueprints, you need to deal with the Plains and Fortuna.
DE have reduced the grind, but they're still grindy

[stiff fable]

Yeah same, they feel

Sigh

PRIMED to have more to do there

[dark compass]

500 jugulu mods

[proper barn]

Okay I was a iso vaults lover. Did what's it called.

[hidden cove]

By the time you get what you need from the other two places, you'll be burned out and not want to do Deimos

[waxen mesa]

not to derail this gameplay discussion but

Is the grey strain and helminth strain the only known named strains?

[proper barn]

The thing some bosses have.

[strange plinth]

mutalist

[stiff fable]

Mutalist strain

[proper barn]

Coda?

[hidden cove]

And then by the time you do Deimos, you don't want to ever go back

[proper barn]

Does coda count as a strain?

[waxen mesa]

wouldn't codas be helminth?

at least some protohelminth

[hidden cove]

Coda is Techrot

[proper barn]

No?

[strange plinth]

i'd say the codas count, yeah

[stiff fable]

Codas might count because the weapons are named that

[proper barn]

Why?

[waxen mesa]

mm guess you're right. Helminth is a few steps away from techrot

[strange plinth]

they're kind of a branch of the techrot

[hidden cove]

Also I think Techrot is the original strain

[stiff fable]

Eg mutalist quanta
Coda Hema

Techrot is a nickname

[proper barn]

I think this is more true of cetus and Fortuna. I think doing bounties that have real rewards is funner than those two but anyway lore.

[dark compass]

I remember dialogue that mentioned Lizzie communicating with Coda weapons.

[hidden cove]

An offshoot maybe but Coda still has the absorbed technology thing going on just like Techrot does. Just look at the unique Coda weapons - Bassocyst, Motovore, and Dual Torxica

[dark compass]

Torxica

[waxen mesa]

ok Coda weapons are absolutely helminth strain. but mostly because they arent techrot

[proper barn]

Ealnor says the weapons like have personalities

[hidden cove]

Thank you

[proper barn]

And she talks to them.

[stiff fable]

Not helminth strain no

[waxen mesa]

we have two helminth-strain characters talking to the coda weapons

[proper barn]

Why?

[stiff fable]

That's what makes Warframes

[waxen mesa]

and guitars

[dark compass]

What do you think the coda caustacyst's personality is?

[proper barn]

They are both infested. Infested can talk to infested.

[dark compass]

Or Coda Pox

[stiff fable]

Technocyte is the name of the virus

[hidden cove]

All the Infestation talks to other Infestation. It isn't Helminth specific. Lephantis speaks to you through your Warframe and they are both made of different strains

[proper barn]

Also Ealnor has mind powers.

[stiff fable]

Techrot is the nickname in 1999

[proper barn]

And the infested speak through a HIVE MIND.

[stiff fable]

Infestation is the nickname in the Orokin Era

[proper barn]

So she would hear them.

[proper barn]

@waxen mesa

[stiff fable]

She also does canonically talk to the guns

[waxen mesa]

i'd say infestation is a genetic edited version of techrot

[stiff fable]

Arthur has a convo about it lmao

[proper barn]

No?

[proper barn]

Yee she also says is in the vendor.

[waxen mesa]

the orokin discovered techrot. spruced it up a bit. then things got out of hand

[stiff fable]

No, again, they're both nicknames

[proper barn]

No it was ALREADY out of hand.

[stiff fable]

Technocyte is the proper name in both times

[proper barn]

Earth was already consumed by it by then.

[stiff fable]

Eleanor mentions she came up with the name techrot in one of her newspaper articles

[waxen mesa]

ok look me in the eyes and tell me 1999 techrot and origin system infestation are the same levels of out of hand

[proper barn]

Radiation wars happened because of the Infested taking over

Most of earth.

[stiff fable]

In terms of scale? Yeah pretty much actually

Techrot in 1999 is confined to one city

[proper barn]

I'm saying this isn't exactly what happened.

It was a problem before then.

[stiff fable]

Infestation in the modern Origin System is confined to small planetoids that no one cares enough about to eradicate

[proper barn]

That's what the 100s of radiation wars before the orokin rule where about. @waxen mesa

[north jolt]

The severity of it's spread seems to vary. Specifically during the Orokin era there are a few separate times of it getting out of control like when it was unleashed on Deimos or when it landed on and took over Eris I think?

[stiff fable]

Both are capable of breaking out to a much larger problem if people get stupid about it

Like, Plague Star ends with Cetus getting wiped out if the Tenno don't pop the boil

[north jolt]

In the current state of the game I would argue it's just BARELY under control

[stiff fable]

And then rampaging across Earth

Because Vay Hek is a moron who cannot control his instincts to smash the place for not submitting to him

[north jolt]

Like for now we have it mostly confined to Deimos, Eris and a handful of dark sectors and daralects (spelling is hard)

[stiff fable]

The Unum actually calls in the Tenno to stop the boil before it scales up like that

Derelict, no As at all

English is weird

[north jolt]

Thank you

[hidden cove]

Before we woke up, Infestation was just confined to the fringes of the system.
After? During Once Awake, Doctor Tengus lets out a sample of Infestation and now it's a big problem all over again

[north jolt]

Oh yeah I forgot about Tengus

Tbh they should probably actually add him into the game somehow

[hidden cove]

So it was pretty much limited to, like, Deimos and Eris and that's it

Now there's Dark Sectors and random outbreaks everywhere

[stiff fable]

Deimos actually was stuck in the Void too

It drops out right before Heart of Deimos starts

[north jolt]

Since DE is touching up early game stuff anyways they should fit a Tengus mission/boss fight somewhere

[dark compass]

There are already so many Grineer bosses

We need more corpus bosses

Or infested bosses, even

[stiff fable]

Tengus could be a corpus boss tbh

He was doing bio research for the Corpus last we heard

[dry cobalt]

What we need are some of the old bosses redone with DE's new touch ups to boss design. Wherever those touch ups fit in ofc

[stiff fable]

That's been happening

Vor most recently, and Jackal before that

Ironically the one who needs it most is Sergeant

[hidden cove]

Interesting. But isn't the Infestation, like... allergic to the Void?

[stiff fable]

They dislike it immensely

[hexed oxide]

scared of it

no, also this is lore chat

[dry cobalt]

Whoops. I thought I was in general 😅

[stiff fable]

Loid: "We are in crisis, Tenno. Our defence against the Gray Strain has failed. The Necralisk is in lockdown, but it doesn't matter. The Infestation has compromised the very Heart itself. We have been forced to re-phase into Martian—"

Deimos presumably had Void shielding around it like an Orokin Tower

[dark compass]

Mutalist Tengus. Best of three worlds

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/metroid-metroid-dread-samus-nintendo-nintendo-switch-gif-22771959

mfw

[hidden cove]

When does Heart of Deimos take place canonically?

After Apostasy?

Or after Second Dream?

[stiff fable]

Before Second Dream

Heck, before Natah

[hidden cove]

Ah ok

I know it's early-midway through the star chart but it also wasn't a mandatory path before Undermind

Now you go through Deimos to get to Jupiter,

[stiff fable]

Wow seriously

Is it a prereq or does the path actually go that way

[dark compass]

Prereq I think

Deimos is so confusingly early

You can't even technically leave the necraloid syndicate area without fast travel

Bc the door requires transference and you haven't unlocked it yet

And are still rather far off from that point in the story

And the open world is noticeably more difficult than other open worlds

They turned it into Caelid

[jade echo]

For Uriel's four it could have been amazing to his design philosophy had it applied 10 stacks blast and 10 stacks slash with 10 stacks heat to everything in the area that really commands that nuke feeling that's both sacramental and scientific. Thematically making a vision out of hell itself as he casts a nuclear revelation made manifest via eschaton Shockwave and damnation.

[stiff fable]

Oh that part was always deliberate

It's implying that there's a secret to the Necralisk, which there is, and a secret to the Tenno, which there is

[hidden cove]

You can complete Mars and get the junction to Ceres but it's a dead end. To get to Jupiter, you go through Deimos

[stiff fable]

👀

Huge change wow

[hidden cove]

Actually i forget whether you have to go through the Cambion Drift or not

They made Cetus and Fortuna non-mandatory as well

[dark compass]

But new teacher quest asks you to help Fortuna :(

[strange plinth]

fortuna is still required via junction quest requirement, cambion drift is the same

[stiff fable]

Doesn't Mars Junction require Cetus?

[strange plinth]

i want to say it does? but unsure

[hidden cove]

Ah yes, I forgot about junctions and their requirements

DE change those so often lmao

[stiff fable]

Nope checked and it doesn't seem required anymore

[strange plinth]

cetus is indirectly required by chains of harrow, then
still have to meet onkko and get the amp before it lets you do chains

[stiff fable]

Ayo Eris is required now

Used to be a cul-de-sac

Like Ceres is now

[strange plinth]

traded one for another

[hidden cove]

Deimos used to be the Orokin Derelict, didn't it?

[stiff fable]

Yup

[hidden cove]

I was there back in 2017

[stiff fable]

The space tile set still is derelict

[hidden cove]

I take it the moon was a whole Orokin settlement / facility like Lua back in the day?

[strange plinth]

the regular nodes are/were all derelicts yeah
its only necralisk and cambion drift that are proper deimos

[barren jasper]

yeah you can even see a road on the cambion drift

[stiff fable]

Afaik it was completely given to the Entrati family

[barren jasper]

bridge thingy

[stiff fable]

Their personal fief

[hidden cove]

They gave the Entrati an entire moon to themselves?

[strange plinth]

its not a very large moon tbf

[stiff fable]

Yah

[fast dew]

Only 12km, yeah?

[hidden cove]

Still an entire celestial mass, Jesus Christ

[fast dew]

I know farms bigger than it ngl

[dark compass]

I took walks bigger than it

[stiff fable]

But also Orokin technology

Bigger on the inside ™

[stiff beacon]

Basically it was entratis research lab

And or home

[stiff fable]

I just realized, the current arc of Warframe is just Pokemon Generation 4

Drifter is moving through time, and Operator will be moving through space (Tau)

[fast dew]

And/or home as if it might not be 😭

I do wonder if Albrecht just. Had deimos before the void incident or had a singular lab there and then expanded

[stiff fable]

The latter I believe

[twin wigeon]

latter

[proper barn]

Don't they call it the entratii ancestral home?

Could be making that up.

[twin wigeon]

believe after he encounters wally, he decides to expand his sanctum infinitely as a sort of labyrinth for the murmur

and uses keyglyphs to retrieve what he wants and terminals scattered about to pinpoint locations (netracell)

[fast dew]

Tbf the term ancestral kinda loses meaning when they could all be living together all at once

I wonder how Albrecht managed to get physical copies of the old poems he apparently has

Probably does help he can time travel-

[sly pagoda]

The labs are also likely too big to fit in Deimos, Now of course I am unsure if they extend into the void or if the void has extended into them. Because I feel like based on other Orokin structures they can make things bigger on the inside.

[fast dew]

The normal labs probably don't but the sanctum absolutely does

[stiff fable]

They can, yes

[fast dew]

My question is how does Fibonacci read them

[sly pagoda]

uses the necromite drones of course

[fast dew]

I could get komi, that's played with the mind. How is a fish reading a book.

[sly pagoda]

and has a HUD in his fish tank

[fast dew]

Are fish eyes even any good for that?

[sly pagoda]

considering hes no normal fish at this point I would argue anything is possible

[fast dew]

He is a normal fish, just a big big norg with special colours. I aint all too sure if the void modified their bodies for them to be able to speak

[dark compass]

He wears a weird thing

Surely it does something

[fast dew]

I think it kinda looks like Nihil's head thing

[ancient violet]

Is a lore explication why we can't swim on planets and on archwing mission we can?

[strange plinth]

the water in the plains is magnetized by the eidolons, the liquid in the vallis is coolant
also the archwing provides oxygen and we need that

[ancient violet]

Nice to know thanks

[proper barn]

You can run over it with Gauss.

But also they don't wanna animate swimming is the reason.

[ancient violet]

I imagine that too

[sly pagoda]

based on how deep some of those sea lab maps feel(from how many elevators we drop down), The archwing must also provide protection from high pressures as much as they do hard vacuum

[dry cobalt]

I do sort of question why we need oxygen though. As the warframes we operate are synthetic. And for the most part even after war within we appear to conduct most of our operator side functions from the somatic link

[strange plinth]

they're still organic, though
"bio-drones under our command" as ballas put it

[dry cobalt]

That makes enough sense. I do forget that even our models still make use of the infestation. Regardless of whether or not they're devoid of any actual sentience

[stiff fable]

@modest stream all Warframes are based on an original person

so there's something in a Warframe that can think

[dry cobalt]

And latent programing and personalities carry on even into fabricated models

[modest stream]

Only the originals though

Not the ones the Operator and Drifter pilot(aside from Umbra) right?

[strange plinth]

all

[stiff fable]

Even the cloned copies we craft today have something in them

Call it an echo, maybe

[strange plinth]

the ones we make have a far more dormant conscious, but its there

[stiff fable]

Or their tiny part of the infested hivemind, persisting up and down history

[modest stream]

Okay gotcha

[stiff fable]

But yeah that's why your Warframe shatters War during Second Dream

It's as much protecting you as telling Hunhow and Stalker that they've made a fundamental mistake about what they're trying to fight

[modest stream]

How does every piece of lore I learn about this game loop around to making Ballas more evil

[strange plinth]

yea that sounds about right lol

[stiff fable]

The worst thing about the Orokin genocide is that we didn't get him

[modest stream]

Im only thinking about this because of the Prime Access trailers

[stiff fable]

Man literally turned Yareli into a prime because she made him look like an idiot in public

[modest stream]

Mostly Yareli and how hes so pissed about how she refuses to conform he just, tortures and murders her????

[stiff fable]

oh sure "sacred yuvan" we all know

[dry cobalt]

Yes

[lean garden]

@jade forge

The only times warframes can be determined to be actually autonomous are if we can rule out tenno control, this applies to an extremely select few frames.

"Most" doesnt come close

[dry cobalt]

And how he made Gara willingly under going the conversion process her problem because she mocked their ways

[modest stream]

Also the implication he had his hands in the creation of EVERY Warframe in some capacity is even MORE evil

[strange plinth]

not quite murder, technically

[stiff fable]

Oh no, that was actually about making fun of Nihil

[modest stream]

THATS WORSE

[stiff fable]

Gara was like "put me in chief, I know what I'm in for" and Ballas was like "ok"
Nihil was the one who pitched a fit, and so Ballas made Gara a glass-user to show him he wasn't special

[modest stream]

"You pranked me one time so im condemning your mind body and soul to endless torture at the hands of a voidborne disease"

[stiff fable]

that's the one and only time I don't think he's to blame for it

[strange plinth]

"so others shall wear you now, fatuous nymph" or whatever he said

[dry cobalt]

Oooh

[modest stream]

No cause how tf does he somehow keep matching the straight up monstrous shit he said to Jade in every Prime Access trailer

[stiff fable]

Because he is a monster

Take a person, a wonderfully brilliant person and give him every bit of power a god could dream of

And stretch his life out across thousands of years

[modest stream]

Truly an unfathomable amount of evil in one person

[stiff fable]

He's doing it to get off

Because he's bored

[strange plinth]

his most monstrous action is not talking about garuda prime /s

[stiff fable]

HA

[modest stream]

Ngl DE should go back and give older primes trailers

[stiff fable]

but no seriously he's thousands of years old, and is a super genius with a god complex

[modest stream]

Just for some lore stuff, I wanna hear Ballas' thoughts about the people that frames used to be

[stiff fable]

see the prime trailers I want are all the ones he didn't make

Caliban, Qorvex

[modest stream]

Mesa

[stiff fable]

Temple

No he made Mesa

[modest stream]

Wait really

[stiff fable]

Yeah

[modest stream]

Oh you meant in universe lol

[stiff fable]

Alad V just managed to hack base Mesa

[modest stream]

She doesn't have a prime access trailer with any narration sadly

[stiff fable]

which is a hfs moment in its own right don't get me wrong

[fast dew]

Protea does

[stiff fable]

yah

[fast dew]

I think that one is funny

[modest stream]

That one is peak

[fast dew]

"Daughter of two fathers" or whatever

[stiff fable]

I do appreciate that Ballas clearly wants to strangle Parvos

[modest stream]

"You can't make a Warframe that controls time"

Lol, lmao even

[strange plinth]

"child of two fathers" + the tension

[modest stream]

Yeah but who doesnt

[stiff fable]

EXACTLY

[fast dew]

See ballas/parvos is a funny ship

[dry cobalt]

Wth is the protea in the deadlock protocol a base model? We know Parvos commissioned protea prime. Is what we see in deadlock just what's left of her?

[stiff fable]

It's a specter, explicitly

[strange plinth]

prime could've been kept for the orokin while the regular was given to parvos

[dry cobalt]

"The Entrati have violated time. And I have violated them."

[stiff fable]

The original Protea presumably popped creating the time bubble that saved Parvos when his ship blew up

[fast dew]

What.

[humble sierra]

I'd like to imagine Ballas screwed Parvos over somehow and has proper "ownership" of Protea Prime, leaving Parvos with the base model

[stiff fable]

Yeah Parvos stole a bunch of stuff from the Entrati Labs

[dry cobalt]

Parvos in the protea prime trailer

[fast dew]

No i know that

[modest stream]

Idk why he phrased it like this but it is Ballas

[stiff fable]

That one was Parvos talking

[dry cobalt]

Sounds like something Ballas would do

[modest stream]

Oh, still insane

[fast dew]

Im the entrati lore nerd guy i know that shit. Just. The word choice.

[stiff fable]

ikr

STILL not the worst thing Parvos has said tho

[dry cobalt]

Sorry. I didn't come built with a filter

[modest stream]

Speaking of Entrati, what is going on with the Indifference rn?

[strange plinth]

word choice + the way he says it lmao

[dry cobalt]

I mean... give albrect enough to drink and anything is possible

[modest stream]

I know it had its hands in 1999 for... reasons and kidnapped Rusalka and dragged her onto the isle of scholars for... other reasons?

[fast dew]

To find shit Albrecht left

Albrecht was in duviri for a while

[strange plinth]

no activity since it trying to take duviri

[lean garden]

we all know DE intentional with that one

[modest stream]

And that shit is... what exactly(do we know?)

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/images/DEventElevatorExchange0650Parvos_en.ogg?8e2f0

[dry cobalt]

I don't get how you fail to take something that's made of you. Skill issue on Wally's part.

[stiff fable]

So, Isleweaver is a petty revenge against the Drifter

Trying to paradox them out of existence and shatter the timeline

you know, small stuff

[modest stream]

Ahhhh okay

[fast dew]

"Violated the entrati family" Loid and his ekhein would like a word

[modest stream]

"Jade Sired an Heir" wait what

[stiff fable]

shhhh

[strange plinth]

he's not in control of the entire void though, just his Great Indifference that's invading the labs
duviri is not under his control, as much as he wanted it to be

[stiff fable]

don't worry about it

you did Jade Shadows right?

[modest stream]

I did...nt

[stiff fable]

OUT

[dry cobalt]

LEAVE

[stiff fable]

FLEE THIS PLACE OF EVIL

[modest stream]

I watched a walk through of it and just never actually completed it

[fast dew]

Out. Go do it, takes half an hour

[stiff fable]

go do it

[spice wedge]

Ok i wanted to ask what is mainly purpose of the indifference is to fullfill

[jade forge]

Go do Jade Shadows and come back after you witness pregframe

[jade forge]

That'd be the role of antagonist.

[stiff fable]

The Indifference from what we can tell is Entropy itself

[modest stream]

See but if I get out of bed to do it now I'll be up till 9AM

[stiff fable]

It destroys timelines and remakes the dust left over into the Murmur, which are pieces of its body eg entropy

[lean garden]

thing to hit with a comically large [insert object]

[stiff fable]

hahaha

[fast dew]

We don't know what Wally's true goal is tbh He just wants his fingers and to kill Albrecht, which is pretty basic desires

[stiff fable]

man remember when we thought that the Vessels would be controllable

and we'd mod them and stuff

[fast dew]

Oh. Want to kill Albrecht? There's a chunk of people who want to. Get in line wally.

[lean garden]

Im still standing by the notion that Wally is a comically overblown Conceptual Embodiment out of Albrechts fat head

[modest stream]

I would assume his goal is to turn the universe to the void or something close to that

[fast dew]

Yeah probably

[jade forge]

I mean that's obviously the next big gameplay gimmick.

[spice wedge]

so that is like cat and mouse game 1 is escaping and 1 is trying to get it done.

[modest stream]

With how Drifter talks about them with the Hex

[jade forge]

Void Titan battles.

[humble sierra]

Yeah big Gundams

[stiff fable]

maybe

[lean garden]

lololol, here's a lil tippy tip, walk past bird 3 and tagfer and listen

or talk to them, I cant remember what prompts the line

[modest stream]

Oh?

[humble sierra]

He just wants a hug

[lean garden]

Or read what drusus says about the thing that killed dante

[fast dew]

Tbf conceptual embodiment seems to go wildly out of proportion when the feeling that triggers it is fear of death, i guess.

[humble sierra]

Poor guy has so many arms and nothing to do with them

[lean garden]

-# It wants to be known

[jade forge]

I just find it very bizarre that Wally's actual enemy is the Drifter, who seems to be the only thing actually outside of his plans.

[stiff fable]

Duviri itself is outside his control

[jade forge]

Well I don't believe he has unlimited control of the void in general.

[stiff fable]

to get the Operator back in action he had to let the Drifter out of Duviri

[spice wedge]

But duviri is a place, that came from the book that was opened and used in void.

[stiff fable]

Nope!

[jade forge]

Yeah the Drifter created Duviri

[stiff fable]

Duviri is a place that the Drifter created to be safe from the Void

[strange plinth]

..by focusing on the book

[fast dew]

I find it horrifically upsetting that Euleria wrote the tales of Duviri from the stories Albrecht told her when she was little

[spice wedge]

And he tortured himself.

[fast dew]

He has the book in the damn netracells. HE HAS THE BOOK IN THE VAULTS THAT ARE STUPIDLY HARD TO GET INTO

[stiff fable]

I find it amusing that the one part of Duviri that Drifter really created is Thrax

[fast dew]

No, thrax was also in the book

[strange plinth]

thrax is on the cover of the book?

[stiff fable]

Nope!

[fast dew]

... yes

[stiff fable]

Thrax is Drifter's doll

[jade forge]

All part of Albrecht's plan. He needed the Drifter to create Duviri so he could meet him in 1999

[fast dew]

Thrax is in the book.

[strange plinth]

a doll of the character in the book

[stiff fable]

no actually

Dax child

[fast dew]

The character of thrax comes from the book.

[stiff fable]

KIM Conversation threw me when I saw it

You named the doll after the character

But it isn't Dominus Thrax of Duviri, it's the doll you named that

[modest stream]

Okay I need answers, is Proto-Yareli

A. E-Girl twitch streamer
B. Relentless trickster and general nuisance
C. Magical Girl with water dragon powers

[strange plinth]

so it is, essentially, the character. it is still taking the place of the original thrax

[jade forge]

Everything in Duviri is a void entity created in the image of the story

Except the Drifter, the Scholar, and Teshin

[lean garden]

which kim convo

[fast dew]

Thrax is still thrax from the book

[lean garden]

and kullervo

[jade forge]

Oh and Kullervo yes

[lean garden]

and his warden

[jade forge]

That's kind of a weird wrinkle.

Do we know the warden isn't actually an adapted part of the story?

[fast dew]

The warden is from duviri but its weird i think

[lean garden]

the warden is from kullervo

[strange plinth]

mix between B and C imo

[fast dew]

Maybe just... CE'd them

[jade forge]

Yeah I think he's just the setting responding to kullervo

[lean garden]

its a manifestation of his guilt

[jade forge]

But I guess not part of the storybook that's fair.

[fast dew]

And it unfortunately looks like ballas.

[lean garden]

ballas self insert LOL

[jade forge]

Well not really "self insert'

[fast dew]

No but that is something ballas would do

[lean garden]

ballas non-self insert

[fast dew]

Forced Euleria to insert him somewhere.
-# she drew him getting his head blown off/j

[stiff fable]

looking for it now

I found people talking about the convo, so it's nice to know I'm not crazy

[fast dew]

Wasn't joking either Albrecht has the tales of Duviri (and a mother token)

This makes me upset.

[strange plinth]

arthur, r6c4
"I had this one - I guess you could call it a figurine - of this Dax child, that, well, I named after a character in a book I had. Dominus Thrax."
this it?

[lean garden]

Lol Drifter really just replaced the actual Thrax with their own Thrax

[fast dew]

Oh you guys don't know of the Albrecht shrine do you

[lean garden]

What you mean the empty grave?

[fast dew]

No my shrine

[stiff fable]

ARGH I swear I checked Arthur like four or five times

yes thank you

[strange plinth]

wait they fr put tokens in the netracells but still haven't fixed the random pickups in the cambion drift

[fast dew]

My shrine

[lean garden]

the huh

[stiff fable]

oh my god an Albrecht stalker shrine

genuinely, amazing

I have the biggest grin on my face

[fast dew]

All but father and son's i think. They aren't pickups, they're just there

[strange plinth]

glast gambit be upon ye
but nice shrine :) lol

[fast dew]

Its not done yet, gotta get all of the cavia's peely pix and Albrecht's one

[jade forge]

I'd assume it's not Father and Grandmother's since they're not his blood.

[fast dew]

No, grandmother's is there

[jade forge]

That's weird.

[fast dew]

Just not Father's and Son's

Albrecht hates men ig

[stiff fable]

makes sense to me grandmother's a gangster

[jade forge]

Explains his relationship with Loid

[strange plinth]

yea, i meant that they've done something with the tokens (even just as decor) but the pickups in freeroam are still bugged

[stiff fable]

She's eat him alive if he didn't

[fast dew]

His relationship with loid is not that bad actually

[stiff fable]

and yeah you used to be able to pick up family tokens in the Deimos overworld randomly

[fast dew]

Its one of the best we've seen from an orokin

[stiff fable]

like toroids on the Vallis

[fast dew]

Oh word? Neat

[stiff fable]

it got bugged like four years ago and they haven't fixed it

[jade forge]

That's not exactly a high bar to clear.

[fast dew]

Before you say Mother and Father, Mother stabbed father with her seriglass shard.

[jade forge]

His work husband who he keeps locked in his basement and hidden from his family.

[stiff fable]

the bar is in hell

[fast dew]

The family knew of loid lol

[stiff fable]

Daughter cut off his arm

[jade forge]

I'm not actually sure that we know that?

[fast dew]

Hell, son has a line talking about how Loid used to carry him around on his shoulders as a kid

Necraloid doesn't have shoulders

[stiff fable]

He's mentioned a few times

However, they think he died and was cephalonized

they don't know that he's been alive and in the basement for the last thousand years

[fast dew]

Loid also, probably, helped raise Mother/Euleria too.

Fibonacci's line about Loid's ability to explain things in ways a child could understand, which Euleria picked up on, can be interpreted as he taught Euleria things when she was young enough to pick that habit up

[strange plinth]

we have.. manipulative and somewhat one-sided at best, whatever was going on with dagath, domestic violence
yea albrecht and loid are fairly decent compared to the rest. mostly communication issues.
-# i feel like i'm forgetting another example

[stiff fable]

Roathe and Rebecca

[fast dew]

HA

[fast dew]

Communication issues because they're dealing with (what Albrecht treats it as) a cognitiohazard 😭

[strange plinth]

yup

[fast dew]

"Oh but power dynamics!" Albrecht sees himself as unworthy of loid, and thinks Loid as above him. Dawg what power dynamic, Albrecht is a wet rag

[stiff fable]

Albrecht's also playing games with each and every one of his personal relationships

I'm pretty sure he's TRYING to make them all hate and disdain him

[fast dew]

With what, his cat?

[stiff fable]

The Hex

[fast dew]

He doesn't have personal relationships. He keeps folk far away.

[stiff fable]

The Triad shortly

The Hex actually worked with him for a solid chunk of 1998

Maybe even more, the backstory isn't clear

[fast dew]

Ehh, wouldn't say its a personal relationship.

Work relationship, maybe

[stiff fable]

The Hex's animosity for him seems too personal for that

Lettie I could understand because she's also a medical professional, and being used to spread the infestation is a betrayal of her calling

But Quincy uses the guy's picture for target practice

He doesn't hate Viktor as much as he hates Albrecht, and that tells me it's personal for Quincy

[humble sierra]

Rebb's probably the crazier one there ngl

Can't find a GIF of her eating the card because she failed to get Emet Selch but yeah

[stiff fable]

Oh my god is that what the clown makeup was for

[humble sierra]

Mind you she didn't start the stream off in make up

[stiff fable]

I literally never put it all together

[strange plinth]

my favorite part about that is she didn't start in the makeup ! that happened during the stream !

[lean garden]

w-which stream was this??

[stiff fable]

The MtG card pack stream

[humble sierra]

She had COVID and was just opening cards on her own personal Twitch account

[lean garden]

When the CD of warframe is just like us

[stiff fable]

I think my favorite Warframe stream moment might have been today

[misty salmon]

The Hex (excepting Amir) were there as a peacekeeping and emergency assistance force, they're a mixed bag but in their own ways they all believe in making things better.
Albrecht made them think they were doing good, and then used them as carriers for the techrot under guise of his vaccines.
That's a deeply personal betrayal for the lot of them, I don't really fault them for wanting to use him for target practice.

[stiff fable]

Where Steve blew Rebecca and Megan off twice

They were pushing him to get a tumblr and AO3 account

[humble sierra]

Then she beat the shit out of him

[fast dew]

I come back to see ao3 mentionef

[stiff fable]

So he asked them if they should talk about Warframe omegaverse

Which means that Steve knows what the omegaverse is

[humble sierra]

This team is peak

[fast dew]

DO NOT.

[strange plinth]

devshorts are occasionally very chaotic and this was one of those times

[jade forge]

Of course he does, do you know how terminally online like all of DE is

[fast dew]

DO NOT THE OMEGAVERSE PLEASE GOD

[stiff fable]

see you came back to see ao3 mentioned

[fast dew]

This is why the void blinded Albrecht.

[stiff fable]

LMFAOOOOOO

[jade forge]

Look there's already people who believe Albrecht/Loid did some form of mpreg

[strange plinth]

i don't even remember why ao3 was brought up
i know they were going to have steve debate people on tumblr but idr why ao3 was there

[fast dew]

I came back to tell yall there's gonna be a food truck at the music festival im going to called "Wally's hotdogs" and how funny that is to me

[stiff fable]

what a terrible day to have eyes

[jade forge]

Because they cannot understand the concept that Albrecht has an ex wife lol

[fast dew]

Hey thats me
-# only as a joke w mates

No i do, its just funny

We don't fully know if its a wife, but he did have a female partner once.

It could very well be only for the purpose of a child

[stiff fable]

watch it be one of the missing Orokin Executors

[jade forge]

Drifer I think implies its an ex wife.

[stiff fable]

We're still missing two or three

[fast dew]

In the same chat, drifter says Albrecht has kids. As in plural. So its not really reliable

[humble sierra]

What's the chat?

[fast dew]

Hhh lettie chat, icr which rank or number specifically

[humble sierra]

All I need

LettieRank3Convo2

[fast dew]

Neato

[humble sierra]

Drifter: Yeah... he abandoned his family. He had a wife, kids, and now grandkids.

[strange plinth]

that was fast lmao

[humble sierra]

Drifter: He had a family. Wife, kids, grandkids now.

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/gauss-warframe-prime-speed-run-gif-5262691005362441267

[jade forge]

Father fulfills a plural "kids" there, even if it's an atypical designation.

[humble sierra]

Ehhhhh

[fast dew]

Ehhh

No not really

[humble sierra]

Son In Law isn't really the same as having a son

Especially in the context of what Drifter is saying

[fast dew]

Mhm

[stiff fable]

I think it's opening the door to have a different Entrati family member show up somewhere

[fast dew]

DE probably just messed up. Again.

[humble sierra]

Hey it's me Jared Entrati how ya doin

[fast dew]

Roathe is Albrecht's bastard child ?!?!?!??

[stiff fable]

And when we exclaim "this is bull!" they can point to this and say there was evidence

.......you know what that'd actually be cool

[jade forge]

Maybe the tenno killed one of them who knows

[fast dew]

We haven't had a singular mention

[humble sierra]

And then Son and Daughter still remember their uncle Jared

That's the one memory that sticks

[jade forge]

Okay but we haven't had a singular mention of all kinds of things

[strange plinth]

ye olde plothole or future opportunity debate

[jade forge]

DE rather frequently just pulls shit out of their asses this is not new.

[fast dew]

Yeah. And?

Its probably just a typo, or drifter assuming things.

[stiff fable]

actually I wonder if there's anything in the story that did start as a mistake that they rolled with

[jade forge]

Or just overgeneralizing in a fairly casual conversation

[lean garden]

I mean... who ever said we got Roathe's last name

[stiff fable]

Obviously gameplay wise it happens a bunch

[humble sierra]

Would go hard

[fast dew]

It would be particularly concerning if Albrecht just forgets his second child randomly. Loid too.

[humble sierra]

Actually shit that'd be a good twist

[stiff fable]

dammit Bau I can't laugh this hard after exercising

[fast dew]

Considering they shouldn't have memory loss.

[lean garden]

Watch me mucking call it

[jade forge]

Maybe he has a failson

[fast dew]

Whh

[lean garden]

Roathe gets "backstabbed" by daddy

[stiff fable]

god, it'd be about PROTECTING Roathe (kinda)

[jade forge]

Who he doesn't like to talk about

[fast dew]

No, i uh. Don't think he would.

[stiff fable]

Albrecht doesn't talk about family period

[fast dew]

He does

[lean garden]

and thats why Roathe threatens albrecht about being in the same room as loid

[fast dew]

He talks about his daughter

[stiff fable]

In his personal notes, yeah

[fast dew]

Loid talks about the grandkids, and missing them.

[stiff fable]

The daughter who was slavishly devoted to him for centuries, yes

Oh god there's an even easier answer

[fast dew]

"Devoted" homedawg she's missing her dad

[stiff fable]

The wife took the other kid(s)

[jade forge]

Maybe Drifter was referring to the Cavia

[lean garden]

Inb4 drifter was referring to freaking kalymos

[jade forge]

That's actually not that implausible.

[stiff fable]

even before that, she spent most of her pre-infestation life as his assistant and cheerleader

[lean garden]

And its going to be Roathe

[fast dew]

Considering Albrecht made one part of his defence system look like kavats, maybe

[humble sierra]

Especially considering how much they revealed about him already

[fast dew]

Albrecht is a cat dad smh

[fast dew]

Yeah. Like most daughters will be for their dad?

[stiff fable]

uhhhh

Not really

[jade forge]

Okay she is a fairly extreme case

[humble sierra]

Like I was thinking "what? He led that insurrection and stuff?! Crazy, why wouldn't they save that for deep in the KIM?"

Imagine they're saving Roathe being Entrati's son for that mid-KIM twist instead

[fast dew]

Dawg even i was, and i didn't have a super good relationship with my dad

[jade forge]

Like the tales from duviri she made into a book and I guess curriculum about emtional development for children was just some shit he made up and forgot about.

[stiff fable]

Did they say that he came up with the void exposure procedures?

[jade forge]

Which ones?

[fast dew]

Man i don't know about yall but i definitely remembered the stories my parents told me before bed

[stiff fable]

The ones on the Zariman and that Euleria wrote into Duviri Tales

[humble sierra]

You also aren't an infested immortal being losing your identity

[lean garden]

nah dude Im imagining that roathe is going to say something like "Isnt that right? Father." And albrecht walks out

[jade forge]

We're talking pre-infestation.

[humble sierra]

My bad I'm an infested immortal being losing my reading comprehension

[jade forge]

And then Vey Hek floats out

[stiff fable]

because like, I thought what happened is that Albrecht breached the membrane, came back, and then started his one-man and cat and lab assistant war against Wally

[fast dew]

Man i had dogshit parents and they still did that

[stiff fable]

So Albrecht isn't seen as a crank anymore, but he's no longer interested in the wider empire

So Euleria takes over as his representative

[jade forge]

He seems to have actually drafted the Drifter in pretty early, even if that took a while to pan out

[fast dew]

Crank... gotta explain that one for me chief

[stiff fable]

Like, the term? Or why Albrecht was considered one?

[fast dew]

Yeah because he met drifter in duviri 😭

[jade forge]

Oh he was absolutely thought of as a fringe whackjob for a while.

[fast dew]

The term

[jade forge]

Until he got the fingers.

[stiff fable]

Oh it's a term for a crazy person

[fast dew]

Inadequate first, revered second, insane third

He wasn't seen as insane until after the void incident

[stiff fable]

before, iirc

[jade forge]

It seems the void was basically a boondoggle to most of the Orokin.

[stiff fable]

He mentions that his obsession with the Void made all the other Orokin treat him like a whackadoodle

[fast dew]

Nah, just seen as inadequate and strange, but not full on schizo like they thought in later days

[stiff fable]

"It's a void there's nothing there" etc

Then he cracks it and steps in and the Orokin realize THE POTENTIAL OF IT ALL

[jade forge]

Because of the Big Fingers.

[fast dew]

Insane as in the "oh he's just odd" compared to "oh he's seeing people and hearing voices"

[stiff fable]

Insane like... Doc from Back to the Future?

https://tenor.com/view/doc-and-marty-gif-21977925

[fast dew]

Yeah kinda

[stiff fable]

Not a bad guy (by Orokin standards) but wasting his time and brilliance on stuff that doesn't work

[jade forge]

"It's your kids, Drifter! Something's gotta be done about your kids!"

[fast dew]

While after the void incident folk thought he was like. Clinically insane. Like he is hearing tapping on the walls and schizoing out from it

[humble sierra]

Just saw a r/WarframeLore post but apparently Albrecht's VA does audiobooks

[stiff fable]

So yeah afterwards he goes full mad hermit

[fast dew]

Yeag

Of a ... certain category.

[stiff fable]

my fellow tenno, Ballas does car commercials

[fast dew]

Im aware

[stiff fable]

I've never been able to find the original one posted here again, but it's the funniest thing

[fast dew]

He has a sample site for his voice acting and its funny as hell lowkey

[stiff fable]

that was aimed at Arkadia sorry

[fast dew]

Oh

[stiff fable]

just, Ballas the used car salesman

it's too much

[fast dew]

I got automodded for sending Ballas' VA's sample voice site 😭

[stiff fable]

Yeah I have to download the clips and upload them manually

[fast dew]

Throwing myself

[stiff fable]

Very frustrating

[humble sierra]

I think someone mentioned he also played the scientist in Superliminal

[fast dew]

Mhm

[stiff fable]

He does!

He was born to play evil geniuses and people pretending to be evil geniuses

[humble sierra]

I'm kicking myself because I have to replay the game but for whatever reason I don't have access to it despite renewing my PSPlus

[fast dew]

Warframe doesn't require ps+

OHHH

[humble sierra]

I'm referring to Superliminal

[fast dew]

Nvm im dumb

[humble sierra]

When I played it, I believe it was one of the monthly games

So even though I didn't have my subscription, upon renewing it I should have been given access back

Unless I'm mistaken and it was just one of the Extra/Deluxe tiers

[fast dew]

It probably was ngl

[small tinsel]

who is clem?

[stiff fable]

a very nice Grineer who likes the Tenno

[small tinsel]

i suspect the clem we know of is just a spectre

[strange plinth]

??

[small tinsel]

whats the reason? was it like kahl?

[stiff fable]

bit of a long story but I'll make it short

Phorid used to be kinda scary

Now he's a joke we steamroll over, but basically some 4channer had a grineer lancer help kill Phorid

And followed the team to extraction

[strange plinth]

i thought that was john prodman. or do clem and john prodman have similar origins

[stiff fable]

wait you're right Prodman killed Phorid on his own

Found the original picture and it's even funnier

during a Grineer mission, a Grineer lancer sided with the Tenno

And followed them to extraction

Datareaper (now passed forum poster from the Bad Good Old Days) thought this was hilarious and did some comics about the friendly lancer who wanted to be a Tenno

anyway DE thought it was funny and after two years of CLEMposting, they added A Man of Few Words into the game and Clem became canon

[small tinsel]

which one was phorid?

that was kinda funny actually

[strange plinth]

infested boss that shows up in invasions currently. dunno if it had a different or dedicated node then
big infested charger

[strange turtle]

Hes just built like that

Like Steel Meridian and that other group we extract in that one mission

[tall echo]

Kavor

[restive river]

Loyalty gene defect

Fun fact
Clem has the exact same helmet under his helmet

[tall echo]

He has two masks

[restive river]

He’s just that cool

[strange turtle]

Grakata Chief

https://tenor.com/view/master-chief-new-year-new-me-gif-24326731

[hollow siren]

Started as a community joke that was later added as a joke character in-game

similar to John Prodman

[fast dew]

Does this mean Wally's nickname might be used in a kimchat one day

Please god let that happen it would be so funny

[hollow siren]

Definitely not by Drifter or Operator, but maybe by someone else

[fast dew]

Nah i can see the drifter doing it

Maybe explaining it to the triad if they don't know?

I don't know if the triad knows, actually

[hollow siren]

I could see someone like Aoi doing it to reassure Drifter like "Well you can tell this Wally that we're gonna kick its non-existent butt!"

[fast dew]

Wally does in fact has one— gets mauled by a pack of feral sawgaws

[hollow siren]

Roathe might, Lyon might not know of it per se but he definitely seems to be in contact with it currently

so he might recognize it when we describe it to him

[fast dew]

Roathe might’ve just dismissed what Albrecht was saying tbf, this could be when Albrecht was seen as insane

[hollow siren]

yep

it's pretty implied that no other Orokin really believed what he said

[fast dew]

"Ramblings of a madman, touched by the void."

Meanwhile wally is just laughing at Albrecht's ass and Albrecht is facing the horrors™

[hollow siren]

and Loid is crying at the thought of Albrecht's ass

[fast dew]

HA

What ass? Dude is flat as hell

[hollow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/i-miss-my-wife-tails-i-miss-her-a-lot-sonic-the-hedgehog-snapcube-eggman-gif-27436480

How Albrecht gonna be when we find him in Tau

[fast dew]

Flat as a damn board

[fast dew]

"I miss my lover, tenno. I miss him a lot. I'll be back."

[hollow siren]

wait Albrecht is just Snapcube Eggman
Mad scientist
Bisexual
Stuck in The Building™
Had his Twitter account leaked

[fast dew]

Still not recovered from Albrecht being dadbod example 1 to whatever the hell he was in the comic

[fast dew]

This is factual. I can confirm. I'm Albrecht's left shoe's lace

[hollow siren]

I'm just imagining the part of 1999 where the Hex see his message to the Drifter and then he comes back on like "By the way I'm bisexual I forgot to mention that."

https://tenor.com/view/eggman-sonic-sonic-fandub-real-time-fandub-by-the-way-i'm-bisexual-gif-8787675222240929417

[fast dew]

See, Eleanor didn't even realise he had any partner, let alone a child and the required activity to have one

[hollow siren]

if any Orokin are true freaks it's the Entrati, they're the goths of the caste

[fast dew]

She's like genuinely shook. Like girl i thought you couldn't stop hearing everyone's thoughts? Did Albrecht just not once think of his daughter? Like damn 😭

[fast dew]

Or do we think this is a stanford moment and he has a metal plate in his skull that stops her from hearing it

[hollow siren]

Considering how Wally thrives on using memories and emotions against you, he might've consciously been avoiding thinking of them

[hollow siren]

That too, yeah

might have like an Albrecht Membrane or something around his actual brain

[fast dew]

He would, he would

[hollow siren]

It's a painful comparison to make but he's the Rick Sanchez of Warframe

[fast dew]

No, rick is a asshat and feels no real remorse (from what I've seen, idk i don't watch the show)

[hollow siren]

There's a bit more to him, but it's hard to talk about it without sounding like the annoying fans

the show has its ups and downs and Rick has moments where his old remorse does poke out through the apathy and cynicism he's built over the years

Albrecht is very much a more moral character but it was mostly just a joking comparison

old man genius who figured out dimensional travel and proceeded to make pretty much everyone hate him in various ways for various reasons

[fast dew]

Ohh. I can see it that way

Id say hes a bit like Samuel hayden, but like. When Albrecht says "he has to do this" he does genuinely need to do this, Samuel hayden probably had other ways to fix it.

[hollow siren]

yep

Granted Albrecht is no saint and you can very much tell he's an Orokin at his core still

But some of the bad stuff he does, while still bad, does have genuine reason for being done

[ashen pulsar]

he kinda has an orokin set of morals in doing what he does, even if his goal is noble

[fast dew]

Ehh

Define orokin morals?

[dire mountain]

Honestly? Its very iffy for isleweaver outside a few select phrases. It's a complete conlang that nobody is actually fluent in and has massive gaps in vocabulary. We got our Rosetta stone in like February of this year so we can understand bits and pieces but we have a long way to go.

Even with isolated vocals it's not the most accurate

[north jolt]

Maybe the Orokin just have means of protecting their minds from being read or something

But imagining Albrecht just forgetting he had a daughter is funnier

[fast dew]

I mean as funny as that is, he definitely didn't forget he had a daughter 😭 that's a pretty hard thing to forget. I think Albrecht was just. Not around the hex enough for it? Lotta digital communications

[dire mountain]

Yeah he definitely didnt forget

He laments a bit about her in his notes

[oak steeple]

Someone help me come to terms with my decision at the end of new war so I don’t restart on a new account and lose everything. My brain has hyperfixated on this now that I understand the lore more. (I chose ||margulis|| for the appearance at the time)

[tall echo]

Yeah, no coming to terms with the most morally questionable choice

[lean garden]

You give a dead woman a second chance to live free of her abuser

[opaque zenith]

Some reasons:
-In lore: All are still the same person, it's just that one personallity does the outside interactions
-In gameplay: The Margulis voicepack is the least altered with robotic noises, and changing the appareance is always possible and affect cutscenes
-In meme: "Stole yo wife" is the last insult to Mr. Ball Ass

[oak steeple]

Ok those are decent and I guess it’s really the personality drive of each “version” that is more prominent.

[opaque zenith]

*The appearance in cutscenes is personalized, not the dialogue or Margulis title on the caps, tho. Little poorly worded

[oak steeple]

Yeah. I kinda wish there was just a toggle on the appearances that let you change the name

[opaque zenith]

I find nice having some permanence sometimes
Imagine changing the baby's name on the go lol
S- "Feed Sirius at 8, then change Orin's diaper after and-"
OP- *live messing the options*

[oak steeple]

For sure, I just feel like I’ve ended up with the worst option haha. It’s really strange when you get the “good hunting Tenno” with margulis’ name tied to it

[fast dew]

Tbf that was during Duviri era, hard to forget about your daughter if she is talking at you every time you wake up

[stiff fable]

Later on, Lotus has a voiceline where she implies she remembers the Jade Light

Which Ballas almost certainly wouldn't have programmed into her

[dense galleon]

hello can someone tell me how long the blood of perita events will stay

[fast dew]

Till January i think

[dense galleon]

will it end before januray starts?

[dark compass]

Dec16-Jan6 for the whole operation

Source: website

[dense galleon]

thanks man

[dry cobalt]

I thought they said on dev stream that it'd be around for 30 days

[stiff beacon]

eh 20 is enough

[dry cobalt]

I mean I'm not complaining. I'd probably forget to do it anyway 😅

[dense galleon]

the time kinda sucks XD, i have exams till the end of december, and i feel like many others too have exams

good news that the event extends to 1st week of january

[wide needle]

she says this but lowkey Albrecht has foxy grandpa vibes

[fast dew]

His lover is the family butler, but he is a wet rag in a lot of ways.

[wide needle]

I wonder if Albrecht has an ex-wife that we'll ever get to hear about

[fast dew]

Tbf i think its more "someone could love his ass??"

[fast dew]

Ex partner, never named, but apparently Euleria has her eyes

[wide needle]

cuz granny Dagath isn't Euleria/Gomiatru's mom, right?

[fast dew]

Yeah, no she aint

That's Vilcor's mother

[strange plinth]

grandmother is father's mom

[wide needle]

gotcha

[fast dew]

Though, Albrecht has interacted with her, if the grandmother token in the netracell means anything

[wide needle]

you know what I just realized
tfw you see your highschool teacher out in the wild years after graduating, and they're doing some funky stuff with their life

[fast dew]

Yeah

I know, i saw my drama teacher at a pub once

It was so strange

[wide needle]

lmao I just realized that's exactly the feeling I have now that I played The New War

whenever I see Mother

[fast dew]

He is a great man but it was like. Hello what are you doing here

[digital ore]

replaying some old story chapters and

....i dont get why we...are enemies of Parvos Granum.
he hates modern day greedy corpus. he pushed honest hard work, alliances with us and solaris, speaks of charity

the only reason i seeing peopel say online is "it would unify the corpus and unbalance the solar system's balance of power" but...if he's a good guy, wouldnt that be a good thing, end the eternal war and bring peace.

what bit of lore am i missing that makes him our antagonist. can anyone help?ww

[fast dew]

He's hypocritical and a loan shark.

Have you done the missions where you get the currency needed for Dante's parts?

[wide needle]

I love watching Corpus infighting tho

[digital ore]

not yet o.o

[fast dew]

Yeah, you'll see why.

[wide needle]

like Parvos smack talking Nef, or when Nef and Alad V were fighting over that Infestation cure

[fast dew]

Donating to the museum place so drusus can relax a lil

Also, speaking about him

He has a body he can buy back.

Does that mean he's not a cephalon

[strange plinth]

belly of the beast dialogue, armatus dialogue
he's still incredibly greedy and careless of those beneath him, he's just more active about getting his profit

[wide needle]

wait, so what's Drusus' deal? is he brain-shelved or something? cuz it doesn't quite seem like he's a Cephalon

[fast dew]

I think its kinda like nihil?

[strange plinth]

he's an odd cephalon but the aesthetic matches

[fast dew]

Physical body elsewhere, still connected to the weave

[wide needle]

ohh, so maybe he's glassed, but not fully cephalon-ified?

[fast dew]

Someone has his body

Thats for sure, so he isn't a traditional cephalon

He also knew Loid way before it all

[wide needle]

wait, does glassing someone preserve their body?

[strange plinth]

the body is glass

presumably

[fast dew]

I don't think glassing is reversable

[wide needle]

ahh

[fast dew]

So him wishing to have his body back is... odd

[strange plinth]

Nora got un-glassed, no?

[silk atlas]

No

Oh wait what

[dark compass]

Yeah

[silk atlas]

She was?! Wild

[dark compass]

She got glassed and then somehow unglassed

[fast dew]

.... how the hell??

[violet storm]

I don’t know, but it happened apparently

[strange turtle]

It was actually her body double, Nora Day

[dark compass]

Stunt double

[wide needle]

wait so un-glassing is possible then, I think?

[silk atlas]

Dora Day, even

[dark compass]

Yeah, glassmaker reads like

https://tenor.com/view/unfortunately-i-died-but-i-survived-ice-age-buck-crash-gif-17916310

[wide needle]

Tora Twilight

[dark compass]

Nora Prime when

[wide needle]

wait, this makes me wonder if any Cephalons can ever be un-Cephalon'd

have we seen what any Cephalons looked like as humans? besides Suda/vaguely Ordis

[strange turtle]

I mean, normal humans ig