lore-discussion

[solar hatch]

Yeah they constructed a whole stadium lol

[normal mountain]

They did that shortly before 1999, iirc
Before it was just a generic pop music track

[solar hatch]

Oh so it wasn't party of your lifetime before? 🤔

interesting

What does that imply of 1999 and the entrati, lol, cuz I know from KIM chats that records of Ancient Earth are all erased and Drifter doesn't know much or possibly anything about it beside whatever they gleaned from 1999 itself.

🧠 Crack idea: On-lyne songs survived up to the origin systems because the codas learned those songs and since the infestation is connected across time the songs continued to proliferated

Spitballing, but maybe After we did hex finale, we stopped the nuke and now history in another... strand of khra (?) continued forward while we continue the loop with the hex, so maybe since the nukes didn't go off, we sorta brought the techrot strain to the modern day in wf lol

[sly pagoda]

I mean we stopped the nuke but in theory there is a non zero chance we still have not completely stopped the inevitable. for that region

that is some outside coalition dropping the big one on the Hollvania region eventually

entrati mentions radiation wars. Now this could mean conventional nukes or it could mean some flavor of neutron bombs. Potentially meaning the techrot was still eventually contained by extreme actions.

[solar hatch]

Oh yeah he did mentioned that in that monologue

[celest needle]

I love these guys for everything but the gameplay

Their aesthetic is so fricking cool

[fast dew]

Nevermind Roathe tried to overthrow the government 😭

Albrecht stopped it

[celest needle]

"I'm not a big fan of the Orokin, not a big fan of the Orokin."

[proper barn]

HE SHOULD HAVE LET HIM

[fast dew]

No, i don't think that's a good idea either

It could leave the fingers exposed

[proper barn]

BOOOOO

[proper barn]

It's not now?

[fast dew]

Albrecht could have moved them or used stuff he had later to hide it. Albrecht wasn't really on the side of the empire, hell, the empire wasn't really a big fan of Albrecht in the later days

[rotund tinsel]

They wait it out

[solar hatch]

wait it out? but how? 💀 that's waiting for unknown amount of millenias

[feral cape]

Exactly

The benefits of being ageless is you can wait however long you want

[solar hatch]

OK but then where are they waiting that's letting them survive the radiation wars and whatever else that happens before the origin systems?

Maybe the infestation respawned them to the origin systems across time lol

imma focus on gaming, been waiting for the time for it cya

[proper barn]

Yeah.

[misty salmon]

I can see them being some sort of isolated infested spore that gets overlooked after the wars, and then reactivates when they detect the signal (warframe) that they've been tracking.

[proper barn]

They are infested. They see time differently.

Like Lizzie sees future past and present infested all at once.

[misty salmon]

What confuses me slightly is them not popping up annoyingly during the Orokin empire era... Oh look, Balas made another war... will somebody get this boyband out of my lab!

hums in five part harmony to "I'm a Little (Russell's) Teapot"

[solar hatch]

Yknow that reminds me we do get a coda haunting us by fetching a piece of some sort of... spore with its name on it, then plug it in a 1999 pc

So I guess we kinda are voluntarily infect our pc (us) with malwave (the infested) so we can gain useful stuff from it lol

oh, I ranked 4 cavia/sanctum just now

and saw the glory of bird 3 getting his moment

[proper barn]

Wait

4 is when is 4 when ||they all now cough a lot after. ||

And all sound sad.

I think the cavia are the ones with the most voice changes between ranks.

@solar hatch

[hollow siren]

yes

[fast dew]

R5 rank up is so sad.

[proper barn]

5? No?

I mean yes and no I guess

[fast dew]

I mean. ||the cavia die, loid cries, shit is sad||

Regardless of the aftermath

[hollow siren]

||Dumbledore dies||

[fast dew]

Loid yelling in other rank ups was a jumpscare

That man kinda scares me

[hollow siren]

Loid's VA is doing a great job

[fast dew]

Fr

Still find it funny that Viktor and Fib share a VA. + that va is also astarion but still

[hollow siren]

I love how even with the same VA Loid and the Necraloid talk slightly differently

[raw stone]

Lowkey though. And this is corny, I do want to learn what Albrecht meant to the triad tbh. Ik. That's the plot of the triad, but like....

If it wasn't 1999 and some other -99 year, then?

[fast dew]

1899 is xx99 for the triad afaik

[hollow siren]

the full year is unknown

I do agree it's likely before 1999 but

for all we know it could be 3299 in a neo-dark age

[fast dew]

1899 Gaulle

On the site :D

[hollow siren]

oh damn

[raw stone]

We don't even know how humanity survived the rad wars yet....

[fast dew]

... on the moon

Or somewhere not on earth

[strange plinth]

may have been changed?
unless there's another place that image is, this is the one currently on the-old-peace/quest

[raw stone]

You think they could've survived on the moon that early?

[fast dew]

My delusional ass is hoping the top option is Loid (its gonna be a gc)

[fast dew]

.... oh shit???

[raw stone]

Its gonna be the hex chat. Seems consistent

[fast dew]

Did we catch something we aint supposed to have

[dark compass]

Huh?

[fast dew]

Hold on

[strange plinth]

possibly. either an early asset (like nokko's abilities) or they didn't want it revealed yet

[fast dew]

I mean, it lines up well enough?

[dark compass]

What are you talking about?

[fast dew]

We got a year number, but its been changed

The entire text has been omitted

[dark compass]

Oh

[hollow siren]

Now we wait to see if the year is an accidental leak, or a WIP thing left in too long

[strange plinth]

yep

[humble sierra]

I feel like they have nothing to gain from hiding the 1899 angle

[dark compass]

What if they do

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-glorp-glorp-glorp-cat-nervous-gulp-cat-gif-6405647114975741623

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-out-pip-boy-pipboy-gif-22701082

[mystic lynx]

It's 1899? How is everyone fit so ancient like they're in the middle age

[bright temple]

it could be 2899 for all we know

[dark compass]

9999

[fast dew]

... church wear

It hasn't changed in ages

They're church members

They aint gonna be wearing the same clothes as common folk

Roathe also just. Doesn't count for that

[dark compass]

We are still not aware if it's the intended time

But I wonder if there's any story connection to that

[strange plinth]

^
that image has been changed on the site, dunno if it was an unintentional leak or an outdated asset

[fast dew]

Thanks to the nature of Churches/cathedrals (especially in France), we cannot rely on the architecture either

[strange turtle]

I mean if they had the actual reworked system and it’s UI or whatever in it’s final version for the teaser I can’t imagine it’d be made far back enough to make any significant changes to the time period

[humble sierra]

Yeah but it's possible early in development they were going "Hey what if it's 1899 next? Genius. Actually, that's kinda generic, people will expect 1799 next or maybe 2099. What if we make it obscure and say XX99?"

[hidden cove]

Are the Grineer and Corpus aware that we the Tenno are making an effort to keep their war ongoing?

The reason we don't exterminate either is because either side winning is worse than them both fighting each other and having people caught in the crossfire

There's not enough of us to stop the winner from taking over,

That's the point of Invasions too. We pick the side we think is right. We literally ally with our enemies to fight one of the factions and keep the balance of power in check

[lean garden]

yea DE already has a history of the website showing already changed information

[dark compass]

Even if they are, what they're gonna do about it?

[hidden cove]

Complain about it for one lmao

[dark compass]

They do that

If you change your teams during invasions they flip out

And you get marked for death by the opposing faction sometimes

[hidden cove]

That's cool

I didn't know they reacted to you switching sides

Mainly because I didn't switch

[dark compass]

I accidentally clicked on the wrong side once

Didn't notice until it was too late

[hidden cove]

Do they ever bring it up outside of Invasions though?

[dark compass]

Doubt

Invasions were the generic endgame content back in the day though (and that's why Vauban prime is so expensive)

So it probably had much more focus

[dark compass]

Do you think Alad V calls us betrayers because he saw us join a Grineer invasion once

[hidden cove]

I thought he was Orokin

Hunhow calls him Orokin

[fast dew]

No, hunhow is just racist

[dark compass]

I mean corpus kind of are orokin

[hidden cove]

Either that or he constantly shit talks us for betraying the Orokin so long ago

[dark compass]

Just split off long ago

[hidden cove]

Primed Bane of Orokin

Wait no DAMN IT

ARCHON Bane of Orokin

[dark compass]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Old racist warvet grandfather

[dark compass]

They don't invite him to family gatherings anymore

He keeps spending his days counselling a murderous psycho and his semi dead wife

[hidden cove]

"My wife died Sonic Hunhow."

[fast dew]

I miss my wife tails. I miss her a lot. I'll be back."

[hidden cove]

Tails Tenno

[dark compass]

"I miss my wife Tenno. I miss her a lot. I'll be back."

Every time you win his death mark confrontation

[fast dew]

I still need to draw that as Albrecht n Loid, i have the idea scribbles done of it somewhere

I have so many things to draw and not enough time.

Its never enough time

[dark compass]

You'll get there eventually

I believe in you

[pale cedar]

No, they just think they are

[dark compass]

Fair enough

[fast dew]

No like. I have something on in a few days and i will be flatout for the weekend, i won't have time or energy to draw after 😭

[potent finch]

Who's the strongest Warframe lorewize

[pale cedar]

The one you’re using

[old dome]

yes.

[dark compass]

Me

[mystic lynx]

cant wait for nuclearBox wf next update

[dark compass]

I'll come with a romanceable protoframe as well

You can taste the KIM dialogue early by using my dms

[hollow siren]

Hard to say since a lot of the text regarding specific Frames lean more towards legend than accurate retelling

We know for a fact Stalker is a genuine threat to us so he might be up there

[pale cedar]

Which frame are you a Proto of?

[hollow siren]

Lotus describes Chroma as quite dangerous so he's another case of not being accurate gameplay-wise

[strange turtle]

Obv Qorvex

[hollow siren]

I imagine ones like Nidus to be a big threat just due to the nature of Infestation let loose

[strange turtle]

Nuclear box, after all

[pale cedar]

True

[dark compass]

You don't wanna know

And if it was Qorvex it would've been too on the nose

[pale cedar]

We knew we was getting Mag Proto before we got Mag Proto

[dark compass]

Yeah but I'm better than that

[strange turtle]

Another Flare proto, because Temple looks the most like this thing

[pale cedar]

Flare Prime Proto

[dark compass]

[north jolt]

2099 is my guess because I think they're going to stick with the "we can't/ it's almost impossible to go further back then 1999" stuff for now, it if that ends up not being the case 1899 is my next guess

[ashen pulsar]

im just curious how roathe's there then

[ebon wedge]

Probably Protea or Caliban

Limbo is also a possibility

[dark compass]

the "isnt entrati worried im here with loid alone" line was cursed

[ashen pulsar]

WHAT

when was this

[dark compass]

he said it when they first opened his merchant dialogue

[stiff beacon]

also there are no visible windows in that church so its possible it could be underground to shelter against the radiation wars above

[dark compass]

lemme find it

sorry for poor quality, couldnt find a better stream recording

but man that is a very weird thing to say

@ashen pulsar found it

[ashen pulsar]

wth

wait does nobody sell uriel's parts then

[dark compass]

theyre from descendia

[ashen pulsar]

yeah but no pity system

[dark compass]

maybe there is and they havent shown it

[pale cedar]

Is Roathe holding a grimoire with the new skin?

[dark compass]

no, hes holding the eye skin one

i think

yeah

i still have to say

[dark compass]

WHO TF STARTS A CONVERSATION LIKE THAT

[ebon wedge]

I wonder how would the Hex feel about Roathe

He's a Orokin like Albretch so...

[stiff beacon]

yea but i don't think they about the blue skin

[silk atlas]

Consider that the only things they know about Orokin are from just Drifter anyway

[stiff beacon]

and they never mention what the orokin look like

[ebon wedge]

Probably just Eleanor knows

[fast dew]

Cmon. Loid would beat Roathe's ass. And the cavia too

[dark compass]

he said it

not me

[dark compass]

what if its not about mortal danger

[fast dew]

Loid has murdered people before, he's killed both corpus and infested, i don't think he'd draw the line at a orokin

[pale cedar]

He’s shot Murmur too

[fast dew]

Oh yeah

[dark compass]

what if they had a very rocky relationship before

what if Roathe found out about Loid

so many questions

[fast dew]

Ehh

[dark compass]

what if i ate a sandwich i forgot about

shit, brb

[ebon wedge]

We don't know what Roathe was before he became a Protoframe

[fast dew]

They would've known each other as both Albrecht and Roathe are high society, even as orokin.

[dark compass]

i do not mean that

[fast dew]

Military commander who tried to overthrow the orokin empire.

That's who he was.

[dark compass]

i mean that there was something related to loid that they all took part in

[mystic lynx]

does that mean roathe is also a time traveler like alchbert?

[dark compass]

or Roathe is just an ass that threatens everyone

[fast dew]

Albrecht trapped him in xx99

As punishment, i guess.

[wise quarry]

why are we as humans siding with sentients over dax

[dark compass]

does your species matter this much

[fast dew]

I don't think it was out of allegiance for the empire. At that time, Albrecht would've been seen as a mad man.

[dark compass]

we are quelling the rebellion on behalf of orokin, though

[wise quarry]

yeah sentients are scary inferior 'life'form

[pale cedar]

Cuz peace treaty with them

[ebon wedge]

That's another thing to ask, what's the specific year that Albretch gone?

1799? 1599?

[wise quarry]

wouldnt give them the privilege of being called a species

[dark compass]

wuh

[fast dew]

Its been said in a now editied page that its 1899, but thats no longer there.

[dark compass]

are you just ragebaiting or something

[fast dew]

... that sounds like racism

[mystic lynx]

the flesh clanka

[dark compass]

no you dont get it its ok to be racist if its against fictional things

[mystic lynx]

warhammer fans

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[dark compass]

mf will eat corpse starch and say "based"

[wise quarry]

racism is only when you are the same species and even if we allow it to be considered for other species bio clanckers (sentients) have no soul and wont be considered a species by the galactic federation

[fast dew]

Corpse... starch...

[dark compass]

yeah

dont you know, actual warhammer cuisine

if you actually read books and such

[mystic lynx]

that would be xenophobic

[dark compass]

and still garbage

[wise quarry]

1399

[dark compass]

oh i cant believe it, a species i havent even considered seeing as people is now rebelling against me

[pale cedar]

DE needs to create a lore book before I do it myself

[fast dew]

.. excuse me? "Galatic federation"? Do you know what game you're talking about, right? And yeah, Xenophobia is the correct term, just what you said is a normal racist sentence

[dark compass]

how dare they

[fast dew]

Dawg its been years since i interacted w 40k, gotta get back into it tho

[ashen pulsar]

orokin thought so too.

lmao

[dark compass]

space strategy or helldivers fan, call it

[ebon wedge]

Not only books, but a movie or a animated series

[dark compass]

mf thinks they are an orokin

[fast dew]

The closest we got for a "galactic federation" is the orokin empire, and them goobers are very very dead

There's like. Maybe 10? Alive orokin?

If that

[dark compass]

i am talking about this person using "galactic federation" as some weird excuse to act xenophobic

[ashen pulsar]

a "soul" is a really weird thing to say about sentient robots

ever watched blade runner

[mystic lynx]

7 (alberhct and his family), nihil, queen, whos the 10th?
roathe?

[raw stone]

Do you not consider Sentients alive?

[fast dew]

Mhm

Do we count Loid as a orokin, he's basically one anyways/j

[wise quarry]

stop spamming phrases on things they arent meant for, originally xenophobia was definied as ''adjective
having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries. and when the current definition is saying dislike of anything that is perceived as being foreign or strange, it came from that area and origin, its okay to dislike anything that is perceived as being foreign or strange if its talking about what the original meaning wasnt made for such as aliens or agi bio intelligent lifeforms

[ashen pulsar]

if it has emotions and can think why cant it be a species

[wise quarry]

stop being a snowflake

[fast dew]

Snowflake and bro is upset over me using xenophobia

[wise quarry]

especially when those types of things actually can do you harm

[fast dew]

Anyways, block and move on.

[wise quarry]

sentients actual made a whole race extinct btw

[fast dew]

.. orokin?

No the hell they didnt.

[mystic lynx]

no thats us

[fast dew]

The orokin aren't a race.

[pale cedar]

Actually that was us

[raw stone]

That was the Tenno.

[fast dew]

They're a caste.

[mystic lynx]

no way we letting them sentient take the credit

[fast dew]

First off, they aint even a race
Second off, THAT WAS US.

[wise quarry]

sentients arent orokin they are bio ai made by orokin, they are classified just as that

[ashen pulsar]

they're a class.

orokin

[mystic lynx]

night of naga drums needs to be a quest asap

[fast dew]

They are a caste. They are not a race.

They are humans. Just dyed blue.

[pale cedar]

Bros trying to give them stolen valour

[wise quarry]

alr they killed humans

[ashen pulsar]

sentients are sentients.

[wise quarry]

orokin are humans

[mystic lynx]

mf human kill human

[fast dew]

Yes, so your point being? We killed humans too.

[ebon wedge]

But Hunhow and the Lotus have a mind

[unique talon]

So.. could the necramechs combine each other to transform into a mega necramech? Just like DEVASTATOR in transformers?

[fast dew]

I like this

[mystic lynx]

we as the tenno have killed at least 10 world population of human

[unique talon]

https://tenor.com/view/devastator-decepticon-mixmaster-scavenger-gif-10691833813946018080

[ashen pulsar]

that is what happens when you treat living things like dogshit yeah

[ebon wedge]

Transforframe

[fast dew]

Yeah i think someone missed the point of some things

[wise quarry]

they did what h did to juice, killing a specific type of humans, thats why am saying they are bad, some people would argue some juice do bad things, also some orokin do bad things, not all orokin are bad, not all juice are bad most are good

[fast dew]

Anyways

Sentients can reproduce btw.

[wise quarry]

no soul

[fast dew]

All orokin are bad what are you on

[unique talon]

I mean.. they're still machines

[fast dew]

They kill children for immortality.

[unique talon]

How exactly?

[fast dew]

The orokin as a caste are horrid.

[ashen pulsar]

souls are not part of the criteria for life

no proof they even exist

[mystic lynx]

theyre flesh machine

[ashen pulsar]

some got better

entrati for example

[fast dew]

Yuvans, they transfer their minds into young bodies. Those bodies are of children. Yareli prime's person was to be one.

[wise quarry]

so whats the line for you between ai robot and being considered a species

[fast dew]

Albrecht still did continuity!

[unique talon]

https://tenor.com/view/optimus-prime-fighting-galvatron-transformers-age-of-extinction-you-have-no-soul-gif-26209420

[ebon wedge]

I didn't pay attention but what's the point to discuss about the Sentients?

[fast dew]

Someone saying they're not a species

[wise quarry]

elon musk develops reproducing technology to give his clanker grok robots and now they are a species

[fast dew]

Using xenophobic terminology too lmao

Like holy dogwhistle

[ashen pulsar]

reproduction, emotions, growth, cells, response to the environment

[fast dew]

"Soul" is a bullshit term btw.

The hell is a "soul"

That's not something that is particularly known, even in warframe. Assuming thats what "Oro" is

[wise quarry]

you guys are arguing just to argue

[unique talon]

There are no accurate scientific studies towards the meaning of "Soul"

[ebon wedge]

The Infested is a species? Just asking for curiosity

[fast dew]

Oh no. Lore nerds. That like to correct things.

[ashen pulsar]

we dont know all of the biology of a sentient to say whether or not they have heredity or metabolism but they meet most of the criteria for life

[dark compass]

i think mux is just one of those people who gets ragebaited by everything so its all war all the time with no nuance

[fast dew]

Mhm, a fungus it seems.

[mystic lynx]

and there wont be
thats what makes soul a soul

[dark compass]

we should move on

[ebon wedge]

I agree

[wise quarry]

i ragebaited you guys wdym

[fast dew]

Dude you got dogpiled

[dark compass]

you shat yourself and now trying to call it a ragebait

[fast dew]

And was wrong lmao

[unique talon]

Sentients are just bio machines with super advanced AI

[ashen pulsar]

im completely calm, and I will refute whichever incorrect arguments I need to.

[mystic lynx]

ragebait has become a cheap way out of "i was wrong"

[wise quarry]

i was not that is first off and also you are just saying that so you feel better and got other people on your side

[unique talon]

Does anyone remember gamma 01 and omega supreme from Sonic?

[wise quarry]

cant say either one of us is right

[dark compass]

the natural evolution of "i was just trolling you guys"

[ashen pulsar]

im also reading rn so its not wasting too much time

[fast dew]

I am familiar to those words

[unique talon]

Perhaps that's how the sentients went Rogue against the orokin

[fast dew]

Im drawing stuff and its funny to check in here

[ashen pulsar]

sentients got tired of being treated like trash, that's how

[fast dew]

You were wrong on the orokin being a species. That's what i was talking about.

[wise quarry]

i just said sentients arent a species

i know orokin are a caste

[unique talon]

https://tenor.com/view/ultron-gif-24475935

[wise quarry]

just bad communication

[dark compass]

you make literal sentient creatures and use them like slave labor machines, who couldve thought they rebel

[dark compass]

aww, poor you

[pale cedar]

Sentients didn't get tired of being treated like trash they just realised the Orokin are trash

[mystic lynx]

didnt they realize that the orokin is just gonna ruin tau like they did with sol so they kinda just claim it as their own or did i dream that one

[ashen pulsar]

average ai uprising stuff.

[fast dew]

Anyways. Do i draw Albrecht or Loid, or do i like. Try to attempt to draw Roathe. Maybe wally-Albrecht...

[ebon wedge]

Albretch with Roathe

[unique talon]

Just like Ultron?

[fast dew]

Pretty sure this was it

[ashen pulsar]

true

[fast dew]

I think from Ballas? Which is a weirdly selfaware thing for him to say

[fast dew]

Ight drawing stuff to make myself laugh

[pale cedar]

Ballas says you knew we would bring ruin

Rare Ballas honesty

[fast dew]

Ballas being self aware !?!?!?

[pale cedar]

Impossible

[unique talon]

What I am confused about the new upcoming quest: the old peace, is..

How did they negotiate peace with the sentients?

[pale cedar]

Christmas type thing

[unique talon]

Like: "dude, we were wrong this whole time, can we be friends now? Here, take this Caliban Prime as an offering of peace "

[pale cedar]

Plus Ballas has done it multiple times no issue

[fast dew]

Ballas was the war fella, he had the ability to do so.

[unique talon]

For me

This whole idea sounds like a Trojan horse

[fast dew]

Yeah

Probably is, nothing is straightforward with ballas.

[ebon wedge]

Maybe they know both side will kill each other, so they make a deal that would benefit both sides (probably wrong)

[hollow siren]

there's Dax among the separatists so some Orokin seems to have their hands in it

[unique talon]

They would realize that if it was in the new war, like: "yep, we made the wrong decision following ballas"

[unique talon]

https://tenor.com/view/nbi-gif-24023536

[pale cedar]

Ballas

[hollow siren]

Also gameplay-wise it seem Separatists will be a sub-faction under Orokin, they had the same damage weakness/resistance

[dire mountain]

We dont know what Lyons has

[fast dew]

Ballas and maybe Roathe.

[unique talon]

Finally an official orokin faction, now that explains Uriel

[fast dew]

Lyon tweaking out was kinda funny

[hollow siren]

"Orokin" faction is what Corrupted go under

[fast dew]

Like dude stop slapping yourself, god.

[hollow siren]

also all the various hostile Warframe spectres

[fast dew]

Gonna nail Lyon's wrists to the table if he doesn't stop acting like that.

[glass flume]

i've been out of the loop and just started playing again. i have some questions about the current lore:

what is tau's role in the old peace? is it in the past? the future? or an alternate reality?

iirc the orokin never made it to tau, only the sentients. how did they reach there?

what's the connection between XX99 and the old peace?

i'm guessing but the drifter's goal is to find albrecht in various points in time right? what's the operator's goal that led him/her/them to plug themselves to tau?

[fast dew]

Jesus style ™

[hollow siren]

Old Peace is us remembering the past

Sentients got to Tau and built a solar rail linking it to Sol. Hunhow destroyed Sol's side of this in the later stages of the Old War

Unclear exactly

Unknown

[fast dew]

Past, its the real past

The sentients had a ship iirc? They were sent to terraform and build the solar rail

Maybe roathe?

Albrecht is probably in the present and in Tau, the goal for the operator is to find Albrecht. Somehow.

[hollow siren]

The "ship" was Praghasa and Hunhow

[dire mountain]

Reliving memories

They did before, read the mag prime codex.

[fast dew]

Neat, thanks

[dire mountain]

The old peace is an era previously unknown however

[fast dew]

Due to, for some reason, Wally's interference

[hollow siren]

a forgotten period of truce during the Old War

[dire mountain]

But we did know the orokin (as an empire) were in tau at least for the purposes of war before this

[pale cedar]

We've known Orokin got to Tau since 2014 just never in person

[fast dew]

I do wonder if Albrecht got there, he has some reason to go and for us to find him there

Somehow.

[pale cedar]

Don't see why he wouldn't have gotten there

[fast dew]

I mean in the past, should've specified

[glass flume]

what's the drifter's current goal then? i thought drifter's the one trying to find albrecht

[ashen pulsar]

he does this 24/7 btw

he just sits there and hurts himself

[hollow siren]

Yes, we don't really know yet why them going to XX99 is important

[fast dew]

I suppose to keep 1999 normal? No clue what the goal is for the triad

[hollow siren]

likely has something to do with Roathe

[fast dew]

Mhm

Roathe is the major link between it all

[hollow siren]

possibly Lyon too since he seems to have The Horrors

[fast dew]

The horrors™

[hollow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[ashen pulsar]

I swear his cheeks should be the size of atomos at this point

[pale cedar]

Us reliving memories is to find Albrecht

Would be pretty irrelevant getting memories of Tau if he isn't there in the first place he never went in the past he just paved the way to get there in the first place back then

[fast dew]

This... might be because its 2am but i uh. Cannot understand what you are sayin homedawg 😭

Im reading a there there there and nothing else

[pale cedar]

“I put the stars within reach”

He left Deimos sometime after the Zariman parade for other places that weren't Tau

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/headache-my-head-hurts-headache-cat-gif-14622281057500278312

My brain has liquidated and melted out from my eye sockets. Help.

[glass flume]

what about on the technocyte coda?
how can they flee on earth proxima (the future)

[hollow siren]

They just wait it out

[pale cedar]

They didn't

[hollow siren]

"You might be stuck with that for a while" - Arthur

[dire mountain]

The long way

[fast dew]

As in how they lasted? Sat in and hibernated

[tall echo]

Supposedly has a lore reason

[hollow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-voices-in-my-head-voices-cat-gif-23453583

[fast dew]

Religious aspect probably. Self flagellation or whatever. Common in monks way back when iirc

[pale cedar]

Infestation has been shown many times to be something that doesn't have to worry about dying of old age

[hollow siren]

the slapping seems to be more tied to whatever weird stuff he's started hearing

[fast dew]

Oh wait what you're serious?

Its probably just wally i aint gonna lie

[tall echo]

Well yes it's a religious practice but I mean the reason for him doing it is lore related

[hollow siren]

Like he's hearing Murmur and has to knock himself out of it to stay focused

[fast dew]

Wally or schizophrenia, take your bets

[hollow siren]

100% Wally

[tall echo]

We'll know more in 11-12 days

[pale cedar]

Maybe he's just Autistic and has no other way to communicate his emotions

[fast dew]

God, so soon

[fast dew]

Hey wait my brother does this

[hollow siren]

It's true but

[tall echo]

I hope fo4 can keep me busy until then

[fast dew]

He ends up hurting himself when he can't express his feelings right

[tall echo]

Relatable

[fast dew]

I have like. Maybe bg3 and a weekend out of my town for bands i like to keep me busy

[pale cedar]

I have Warframe instead where I can slap people around with generally no consequences

[tall echo]

I wish I could play some multiplayer stuff but 1. No one else wants to and 2. Hyperfocus

[fast dew]

Real

[tall echo]

I've been hyperfocused on fallout for like two months now

[pale cedar]

I've just been dying for Warframe lore

[fast dew]

Ive been torn between doom and warframe and it hurts

Dual hyperfixation hurts.

[pale cedar]

Pick a game stick to a game much easier

[tall echo]

It's not when the game runs out of things to focus on

[fast dew]

Unfortunately its involuntary

[pale cedar]

Warframe never runs out of things to focus on

[fast dew]

I want to stick with one game

[glass flume]

how about kaya getting out of the loop? won't it have any consequences?

[pale cedar]

She'll eventually become a full frame

We aren't told how long that takes though

[tall echo]

It regularly does

[pale cedar]

Nah

There's always something to do

[tall echo]

Great name

[strange turtle]

Voltron

[strange turtle]

They’re literally stated to have the Warframe equivalent

[dark compass]

It's ok that person was just trying to flame someone while being clearly wrong

[dark compass]

Combined transference

The ultimate weapon, to fistfight the indifference

[strange turtle]

Wally watching the Necramechs and a Railjack disassemble and combine with a Vessel

https://tenor.com/view/randy-orton-scared-surprised-afraid-gasp-gif-26482899

[ashen pulsar]

The orokin watching an army of sentients attach like Lego pieces to form a kaijulyst

[dark compass]

railjack

Cy:

[near quail]

wisp's cake is huge but I think it needs to be bigger what do ya'll think

[hollow siren]

Yes but only if they make Sevagoth Prime's cake bigger too

[ocean geyser]

Continuity

That’s
Literally how continuity works

I would imagine hijacking a kid’s body and replacing it with your own, erasing the kid in the process
Is death

[woven coyote]

Corpus un-necking children for the sake of organ repossession

[normal mountain]

Grineer do cannibalism
All I'm gonna put out there

Truth is, none of the factions are great
I'd judge the people based on their individual traits, rather than what group they came from

[eager dragon]

Yes

[woven coyote]

Honestly i was just kinda imagining the whole organ repossession thing as kinda like a bootleg temu continuity

[dark compass]

i think this is just organ selling

[hot mural]

@pale cedar Provide proof of this again pls 🥺

[dark compass]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarframeLore/comments/hjaw6g/the_grineer_and_even_steel_meridian_might_be/

i could find this

[dark compass]

the reddit post lines up with what nemesis posted

damn

[hot mural]

Wait wait Steel meridian too and how do they exist apart from grinder are they like clem

[dark compass]

.

this post kind of lines up with what is said by the queen

[hot mural]

I don’t use Reddit

Too many weirdos in there

[dark compass]

i mean cant you read

the post

[hot mural]

Nope don’t have it in my phone

[dark compass]

not even in the browser?

ok sure

the cloning machines are this

they use this "slurry" to make clones

we find it in personal quarters of grineer

...and on the tables of steel meridian members

[ashen pulsar]

Is it also necessary to maintain their health then

[dark compass]

i remember liches also talking about eating the slurry

theres also a dialogue in a kuva fortress saying that the bodies will be collected for food

@hot mural

that seems to be enough evidence to confirm it

[hot mural]

Thx

Another reason to dislike Steel meridian

[dark compass]

they are grineer

defective grineer

they have to survive somehow, just like the rest

idk if being a cannibal in an environment when its pretty much your only option to not decompose on the spot is a bad thing

[hot mural]

I mean if they defective they should just die to save themselves a live long of pain and doing this

[dark compass]

have you considered wanting to live

[hot mural]

Yeah but not with this many issues and defects

[dark compass]

i am also a cripple with lots of health issues, do i just die

[strange plinth]

that's not an option for grineer or meridian. its live with the issues or die

[dark compass]

yeah exactly

[hot mural]

What does do with lore?

[dark compass]

because its writing made by people?

they didnt choose to be born this way, and wouldve been slaughtered by grineer themselves

[hot mural]

And I say just die if the issues cause pain and suffering or having to do things like that because it will be much better for ur mental health

[dark compass]

steel meridian are defectors who wanted to live despite their issues that made them unfit for grineer army

which was a death sentence

[silk atlas]

Thank God free will exists.

[dark compass]

"just die, it will be much better for your mental health"

tf dude

[hot mural]

Well I’d rather die than having to consume my kind or live in constant agony and pain

[dark compass]

they dont know better

they just want to live

[strange plinth]

okay? that does not mean everyone else would???

[hot mural]

That’s fine then each to their choice but if it comes down to kill ur kin to survive that’s bad

[dark compass]

that same kin wants to use them as food and doesnt even see them as people

its a live or die situation

[tall echo]

Well they don't have to eat their brothers and it's unclear if it's painful

[hot mural]

Yeah that’s cuz of the queens

[hot mural]

People saying they do so I just follow what they say

[tall echo]

Oh they don't kill them. They just anonymously get thrown into the slurry machine

[dark compass]

medal to you for deciding to die instead of actually trying to live with issues that you didnt choose to be born with i guess

[pale cedar]

Noble sacrifice

[tall echo]

They do but they don't have to

[hot mural]

If they don’t have to then that’s fine to have an alternative

[hot mural]

Issues that might cause u pain? Yeah no I’m good rather die than going through that

[dark compass]

grineer have been completely dehumanized down to being the same livestock that is being used to feed them, do they really see it as anything more than necessity in a world that they were born in

finally you are free bc someone didnt want to throw you into a slurry

[hot mural]

True and that’s the queens fault

[dark compass]

"queens fault, i better die"

🫡

idk i personally live with lots of crippling issues and i do want to live

cant relate to you wanting to die over it, hypothetically

[hot mural]

Nah I have my own issues and I live with them but hell if I have to live daily with the feeling of decomposing or slowing mutating into god knows what then yeah I’d rather save myself that struggle

[tall echo]

It's possible you might not even get to want to die bc of the loyalty gene registering it as disloyalty

[hot mural]

Surprising how in the future they don’t have a way to combat that

Instead we have cloning and corps

[dark compass]

they are clones meant for disposal

[tall echo]

Oh they used to

[dark compass]

they had it

clone rot IS a solvable problem

[pale cedar]

We stopped the guys who solved it then later the other guy who solved it

[hot mural]

Didn’t Kahl get pushed to die in the explosion for the queens during the new war?

At the end he did want to sacrifice for his brothers

[strange plinth]

clonerot wasn't an issue while the orokin were in control of the cloning
but the access to that tech died with the orokin

[dark compass]

and if we let them solve it, the queens would have it

[hot mural]

Oh the Neptune or Uranus guy with the hammer

[pale cedar]

If we let them solve it there would be less balance in the system

[tall echo]

He would've died for loyalty, not bc he wanted to die

[pale cedar]

Regor

[dark compass]

yeah he wanted to sacrifice himself for the greater good because the grineer faction is extremely dehumanizing, not because he was suicidal lol

[hot mural]

And that’s what I mean the queens at fault for and should have the grimmer freedom from their control

[pale cedar]

Grineer without their control would be worse for the system

[tall echo]

What

[dark compass]

oh things wouldve been so much easier if tyrranical rulers werent tyrranical

i better die over it

[hot mural]

Don’t they have like small intelligence?

[tall echo]

Very

[pale cedar]

Some are smarter

[hot mural]

Queens are bad pretty much

[pale cedar]

There’s no good guys in the Origin System

[hot mural]

Us

[dark compass]

okay sorry this convo is really horrible

i am off

[hot mural]

there is no other good person other than us I guess

[dark compass]

and saying "id rather die if i had those issues" is really horrible as well

[pale cedar]

Were literally mass murderers who committed classicide even if deserved

[dark compass]

bye

[hot mural]

That’s English too advanced for me say it more simple

[dark compass]

sigh

[strange plinth]

we've killed a lot of people.

[hot mural]

What’s classicised

Like kill for being poor?

[strange plinth]

we killed the rich

the orokin

[pale cedar]

We are mercenaries who have killed a lot of people

We killed the upper class of the Origin System even if they deserved it which is a thing called Classicide

[hot mural]

Oh yh but they where the bad guys and we where being trauma controlled

[hot mural]

Ohhhh

[pale cedar]

Warframe doesn’t have good guys it isn’t as simple as that

[strange turtle]

I mean I wouldn’t really consider the classicide one of our sins since it was less about the caste in of itself and more the fact that every single member of the caste and it’s culture were awful people who used their position to oppress others and/or crushed the consciousness of young people to live longer

[hot mural]

Wrong Clem is a good guy!

[strange turtle]

Like the actual negative connotation of classicide kinda gets nullified

[pale cedar]

Clem murders people too

So does Kahl

[strange turtle]

Simaris and Synthesis on the other hand

[hot mural]

But Clem 😔

[pale cedar]

Simaris makes people die and come back

[ocean geyser]

The great #lore-discussion Grineer conversation

[hot mural]

Like what happened some time ago in this Asian country right where the gen z overpowered then government

Think it was Indonesian

[hot mural]

The music one is futurist spotify right?

[pale cedar]

Suda says “You are a waste and must be erased”

[hot mural]

Not the yellow one I meant the blue one

The Octavia one

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[hot mural]

Keep forgetting her name

[silk atlas]

That's the blue one he's talking about, Xseka

[hot mural]

Ohhhhh

Damn Spotify not so good in the future

1999 ain’t half bad then

Except for the scaldra and the virus

And the Hex and Entrati

Damn Orokins

[pale cedar]

Octavia’s anthem is the one of 2 I never actually replayed

Waverider cuz there’s the comic after

Octavia’s Anthem cuz it was a buggy quest

[hot mural]

I had to replay all the Warframe quest when I merged my Pc and PS4 accounts

[pale cedar]

Huh?

[hot mural]

It was fun redoing them and getting mission items saved in my inventory since I had them already

[pale cedar]

Progress is linked though

[hot mural]

I have 2 Excal Umbras

[pale cedar]

Yeah

But they’re linked aren’t they so same quest progression

[hot mural]

And like the mandachord u need to build for Octavia’s quest which i think disappears after the mission ends

I have Limbos parts in Navigation to craft in Foundry

[hot mural]

I thought so too but no

I got to reply all Warframe missions

[pale cedar]

It did it for me

[hot mural]

Maybe a bug in my account only but it was a fun one

I have like the Navigation cords for Limbo in the Foundry

Like an exclusive item

[normal mountain]

It doesn't disappear when the mission ends
It gets consumed when you build Octavia

[waxen mesa]

So what exactly are we doing in duviri? Like what do we accomplish by killing an orowyrm?

[hot mural]

Not mine it’s there to build and I have Octavia

Want me to show u?

[normal mountain]

...
Odd

[hot mural]

Wait a moment while I open the game

[silk atlas]

Stopping Thrax from having an emotional fit

[pale cedar]

I’d say it is stopping thraxes emotional fit

[normal mountain]

Ah, that's because you did an account merge

[hot mural]

Yup

[normal mountain]

That makes sense

[hot mural]

Aha

[pale cedar]

You get a free Mandacord with Prime

[hot mural]

Prime?

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[hot mural]

what’s that

Like Prime Octavia?

[pale cedar]

Octavia Prime

[hot mural]

Haven’t got her yet

Have the relics tho

[pale cedar]

You don’t have to build it twice

[hot mural]

About that what’s the lore behind Relics

[normal mountain]

I knew she gave you a free instrument
But you really get a free Mandachord with Octavia Prime?

Intriguing

[pale cedar]

You’re not gonna like this

[hot mural]

Are the like poop or an amalgam of bodies?

[pale cedar]

"Void relics, what a baffling concept. Ordis will try to understand Void relics again: They say the contents of a relic are simultaneously this thing, or this thing, or this thing, but also that thing, and never just one of thing. That is, until… until it's exposed to a Void fissure? And, at that point, all the possibilities collapse, each one falling away until the relic cracks open and exposes one, singular thing. And at that moment, that thing becomes the only thing the relic ever contained?! Pfft… WHAT A LOAD OF— Ordis prefers known quantities, thank you very much."

[strange plinth]

yeah that ordis blurb is pretty much all we have

[hot mural]

But how do they come to exist

[pale cedar]

They’re relics

[hot mural]

I knew they are the gambling reason many people have

[normal mountain]

Sounds like some sort of Quantum Superposition junk

[pale cedar]

Things are put in relics

[silk atlas]

The lore you get from the Relic Segment installation is what you get.

[hot mural]

oh

[dark compass]

I invented them

[hot mural]

So the Orokin made them pretty much

[strange plinth]

the only other thing is that they come from the orokin era
which is how they have prime stuff in em

[normal mountain]

Void muckery, essentially

[silk atlas]

No, they're just old stuff from long ago.

[hot mural]

Ah okey

[pale cedar]

Warframe players took what Rusalka said as true

[normal mountain]

Bah
People don't understand unreliable narrators anymore

[dark compass]

I should lie more and then tell people that I did after they believe me to prove a point

[dire mountain]

????????????? What the (I cant say the word I wish to in this server) is wrong with you

[celest needle]

muck

[dark compass]

We have the legally distinct in universe "muck"

[dire mountain]

[Molecular Prime sound effect]

[dark compass]

[Nourish sound effect]

[Nourish sound effect]

[Nourish sound effect]

I'm shieldgating it

[celest needle]

[Redline SFX]
[Kinetic Shield sfx]
[Thermal Sunder sfx]
[Thermal Sunder sfx]
[Mach Rush sfx]
[Thermal Sunder sfx]
[Thermal Sunder sfx]

[dark compass]

Thank you for your contribution gauss main #38281817626637382

🫡

[celest needle]

Playing GAUSS is an experience

[dark compass]

You know when it's isolated from the stomp

It sounds more like ewe

[deep magnet]

redline cast is such a dopamine spike

[celest needle]

Playing Stayanax on the other hand

[Nourish Sfx]
[Rally Point sfx]
[Final Stand sfx]
[Final Stand sfx]
[Final Stand sfx]
[Final Stand sfx]
[Final Stand sfx]
[Final Stand sfx]

[dark compass]

He actually talks though

[celest needle]

do we count Spartan Yells

[dark compass]

As much as I dislike playing Gauss, Redline sounds absolutely amazing

Geniunely amazing

You know everything is going to evaporate when it starts

[celest needle]

Guass is fun once you get a good build going with him

[dark compass]

Ehh, I tried. I was(still kind of is) actively looking for a main thousands of hours in

[humble sierra]

While it's isolated it just sounds like their screams of agony in the underworld

[celest needle]

he's meant to be the Random Kullshit Go character that equips a shotgun goes redline, presses 2, and starts SPRAYING

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/orks-ork-waaaagh-slugga-boy-dawn-of-war-gif-15592891

[dark compass]

Can you give his rally point sound?

He's clearly trying to speak something in that one

[humble sierra]

Sure thing, it's just a bit difficult navigating some Warframes/abilities because the actual file names don't line up

[dark compass]

Oh right

Archetype names and all

[dark compass]

Yeah he is clearly saying something

Heavily distorted but those sure are words

[humble sierra]

And for Tharros Strike (I think) it's just these similar grunts

[celest needle]

lemme read this thread reale quick

[hot mural]

I’m saying if u decide to live a life of pain with no cure or treatment for it it’s not worth it and it’s painful

In game ofc you guys can do whatever you want in real life

Hopefully they get their clone sickness treated fr

[dark compass]

"if you're suffering from a terminal illness you should just die, in minecraft"

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/grey-cat-cry-gif-2840808548593801720

what
what the muck

[hot mural]

Yup

Cuz it’s suffering for the Grineer

[dark compass]

I am as shocked as you are

Especially as a person with some really problematic health issues

[hot mural]

Ok I’m talking about in game characters not real life

[celest needle]

I mean like they're going to have problems but they can help people and you know help other grineer

[hot mural]

Real life is whatever you decided for urself

[celest needle]

They have a lifespan still not 30 seconds til death

[hot mural]

And cannibalism

[dark compass]

You're focusing so much on cannibalism

[hot mural]

That’s what they eat

[celest needle]

and although it may be painful the result is better then just straight dying there and then

[dark compass]

When it's essentially non grown slurry

[hot mural]

So best to life a life of pain with no cure than no be relieved of that pains

[dark compass]

What if the life endures despite all the pain

[hot mural]

Then it should create genes to combat that

[dark compass]

Anyways this argument seems pointless and makes me super uncomfortable

[hot mural]

Natural selection duh

[celest needle]

I agree here

[hot mural]

About in game characters

Fair then

[restive river]

I hope the consent mechanic is done well

[hot mural]

What’s that?

[restive river]

There will be a consent mechanic in the next update for if you want to date a member of the Hex and a member of the Triad

[hot mural]

Ohh

[restive river]

It unfortunately sounds like it might be optional
I don’t think DE understands that time travel doesn’t mean it’s not cheating

It’s like going on vacation, meeting a partner then leaving to go somewhere else entirely and then having another, new partner without breaking up with the old one
That’s just scummy

[hot mural]

Who knows maybe that or maybe not

[humble sierra]

I'm expecting like one chat per character "Hey how do you feel about me dating someone (or multiple someones) from another time?"

And they all have various "oh dang I'm not sure I want to but I guess yeah sure I'll try"

[restive river]

I’m just hoping they do it well

[hot mural]

I’m pissed about Madurai skill

All have cool abilities

[humble sierra]

The bow is cool

But the explosions are not. They should be blue by default. Void energy.

[restive river]

Their initial intention was it’s “not cheating” “cause time travel” which is one of the dumbest things they’ve ever said tbh

[restive river]

Kuva Bramma 2

[humble sierra]

That sounded like a joke from Pablo said in the moment, I'm not sure if it's the actual stance they were trying to take

[restive river]

The bow does work well with the ideology of Madurai tbh

[strange plinth]

i love the sound it made but it didn't look super effective?

[restive river]

It def sounds like it was and only now they’re trying to add in a consent mechanic

I love DE
I will call them out over a scummy action or joke

[humble sierra]

I'd like it if it were a large projectile that shot straight forward and then bounced around different enemies

[restive river]

As a joke it’s not funny either tbh

And if its optional than
Idk
I don’t like that, I get our Drifter is whatever we want them to be but really? They’re willing to cheat on their partner for what? Cause time travel? Cause they’ll never see eachother?

[humble sierra]

Again I think it's not going to be an option to keep them hidden

Unless you just never chat with your original partner again

There'll be one to discuss it

[restive river]

I’d rather the new relationship be locked til you talk to the old partner

Let there be a few different
Maybe some are into it
And some def are not

then you as the player decide if you break up or not over it

[strange plinth]

that would be ideal

[restive river]

I want to be hopeful about it but the way it was worded in the reveal was poor enough that I’m very iffy on it, like why do we only know about consent being an option from an interview?? That should have been advertised, not “haha cheating cause time travel” :/

[hot mural]

No ike the bow is fine but the arrow

[restive river]

It’s just og Kuva Bramma 2.0 lol

[hot mural]

Yup

[brittle siren]

It interesting that Wally is nowhere to be found in any Old Peace teaser

(Or I'm just blind)

[strange plinth]

he's busy in 1999

[ashen pulsar]

and some want you to introduce them… intertemporal threesome

[dark compass]

It's parallel to 1999

While Wally is having fun in 1999 with the drifter, Operator is reliving old memories

[brittle siren]

Duviri*

[waxen mesa]

how much material lore do we have? like do we know why argon crystals are so useful?

[brittle siren]

Also, I would think Wally already knows the Devil Triad and invades there, but apparently not

[strange plinth]

duviri would be after
the hex and the old peace quests are running simultaneously

[brittle siren]

Well anything from the void is useful if you know how to utilize it like the Orokin did in the past

[brittle siren]

It's kinda sad that Duviri event isn't a quest, not even a small one like Lotus Eater

[dark compass]

Yeah without the operation it kinda feels out of nowhere

[strange plinth]

you do get an email from thrax that points you to it

[dark compass]

I don't think I have gotten it

Weird

[strange plinth]

there's the event variant and the regular one
if you got the event one, you can get the regular by replaying the hex

[brittle siren]

Yeah but that is just the same as Koumei gamemode

It's basically a filler game mode, but at least Isleweaver had more lore

[celest needle]

Honestly I am quite afraid of the way you do start the old peace

its basically the same way you start Duviri but you don't even do the quest and I know it gives a warning and its just the content but still beeing able to acesss the entirety of both the triad and the whole Orokin era at like, maybe TSD or New War

[brittle siren]

Eh it only unlocks the mode not actually skips the lore

[strange plinth]

yeah, you get the missions only. not access to the sanctum or anything else

[dark compass]

Ah, that explains it

[celest needle]

Yeah but its so both confusing and will probably spoil the new uniniated player on a ton of stuff depending on when you can unlock it

[brittle siren]

Also, you can access 2 new game modes in the star chart not from the sanctum

[celest needle]

Yeah I misworded that

And I reworded it just now

[brittle siren]

Knowing DE they won't spoil anything outside of what they have shown in the live stream

[strange plinth]

it'll be like the 1999 demo
bad for lore purposes, fun for gameplay

[brittle siren]

Ngl Warframe is the only game I played that has no leaks

[lean garden]

I mean...

[manic goblet]

if the man is in the wall who is in the floor

[lean garden]

there are tons of warframe leaks, its just that the leakers are stupid and dont know what theyre looking at

[brittle siren]

Oh

[lean garden]

and sometimes for some reason the leakers lie

[celest needle]

Desert Skates

[lean garden]

for instance a leaker claimed that rusalka was going to be the saryn protoframe, because there was a filename in the game that said so, but no one else who had the ability to dig into the game's files could find said file

[brittle siren]

Oh, that's a leak? I thought it was just someone making headcanon because they want to kiss Saryn's human form

[waxen mesa]

what warframes do you guys think are canon to encounter.

other tenno piloting warframes are canon but what warframes.

Ones like Jade and Excalibur Umbra are clearly not canon to encounter as they are very tied to the main character

[celest needle]

The 1999 Demo I can get since it was basically muckin advertised and doesn't contain that many spoilers outside of the protos existence which was advertised everywhere when 1999 came out

[lean garden]

you can tell by the fact that it was false the state of leaks in warframe

[celest needle]

Every warframe that isn't tied to a quest or big lore encounter that involves our tenno

[brittle siren]

Stalker is a warframe so realistically he met a lot of Warframes, even Prime frames too

Most of them are dead btw

Stalker able to kill a prime is not on my bingo card

[waxen mesa]

Temple isn't quest related but probably is a unique one

Although Flare knew about Temple before they realized they were to become Temple. So I suppose the blueprints to replicate Temple could already be shared through the tenno communications

[celest needle]

Like

[dark compass]

Temple is 100% unique

[waxen mesa]

frames like Voruna, cyte, and qorvex feel a bit too special to be commonly seen about

the latter 2 depends on if other tenno are canon to the Entrati labs

[restive river]

They’re unique, Ballas made the design, shelved it, Albrecht nabbed it, gave it to Flare, Flare becomes Temple regardless but with our help they help during the night of the naga drums

[strange plinth]

i don't think it'll spoil anything that isn't already spoiled in the teaser they showed at the end of the devstream and will probably be used for marketing material for the next few months

[restive river]

Voruna could be either or
Cyte’s batch was lost iirc so we can’t even really say
And Qorvex is def unique as he was designed by Albrecht for us, the chosen operator to use now

[celest needle]

I crossed out Qorvex

look again

[waxen mesa]

didn't see that

[restive river]

Xaku’s def unique btw

[dark compass]

Wouldn't Citrine also be

[restive river]

They may have been mass produced but we can’t prove that (like most) but their very nature is entirely unique

[dark compass]

With her whole story

[restive river]

Was she made specifically for them :?

[dark compass]

Actually, that I might not remember well

[celest needle]

She isn't exclusive and since every Tenno can basically go the the Necralisk not just ours,

[strange plinth]

curious on koumei, nokko, gyre, and dante being crossed out
those all seem fairly achievable for other tenno to me?

[waxen mesa]

I'd say Koumei is rewarded via being the chosen operator and being asked to help with the visions

[restive river]

Wait how are you defining uniqueness?

[celest needle]

If its a special gift to us and not free use copyright free blueprints

[restive river]

Koumei doesn’t really relate to the chosen operator stuff afaik, she’s just kinda in Cetus

[waxen mesa]

And Dante is from Loid. which relates to being the chosen operator

[restive river]

So that’s every quest frame

[celest needle]

yeah practically

[restive river]

I kinda doubt Dante would have been mass produced during the old war after the insurrections

[strange plinth]

gargoyle's cry had a ton of tenno in the labs, i think the chosen operator bit isn't super related there

[restive river]

He was way too smart AND disappeared

[restive river]

So that would include Xaku

[celest needle]

Temple isn't unique since they came to the night of naga drums so they isn't a secret frame and probably was replicated by Tenno

[restive river]

*They

[waxen mesa]

isn't Temple a they

[restive river]

They are yes
Lizzie is the she but Lizzie isn’t Temple, she’s their guitar

[strange plinth]

i would believe that a bit more though
drusus could have the blueprints? maybe?

[celest needle]

I keep thinking of Lizzie 😭 Keep getting the two confused apologies

[waxen mesa]

the real lore question

[restive river]

Temple is def unique btw
They only go to the night of the naga drums with the Drifter helping them and technically only the Drifter (which there is only one) can get the blueprint.

[dark compass]

I wonder how much Lizzie is part of the Temple strain considering the circumstances of her creation

[waxen mesa]

if Lizzie subsume Flare by force. Would Temple be a she because it's more Lizzie then flare. or a theyy because Lizzie canonically respects Flare's pronouns

[restive river]

Probably not a lot since she’s wholly unique due to the whole infested blood on the guitar thing

[dark compass]

It's a hivemind thay takes things in. They either way.

[restive river]

Think Mirage changing her own design

[waxen mesa]

is helminth strain a hivemind?

I know grey strain isn't

[celest needle]

So this?

[strange plinth]

original temple strain? not Lizzie but a guitar, definitely. albrecht told flare it would improve their performances

[restive river]

They’d still be a they
Lizzie’s part of a hivemind yet is still an individual that goes by she/her rather than they/them (plural, not enby)

[lean garden]

theyre all part of the infested hivemind

[dark compass]

^

[restive river]

All of the infested is connected

[dark compass]

Memories are shared, Lizzie recognizes the demon somehow

[celest needle]

Ya'll think if one gets sick the others can also slightly feel it

[restive river]

Helminth is the only part of the hivemind that “loves” us in a way that isn’t destructive

[restive river]

Maybe

I don’t think the infestation is like
Whatever the hivemind in stranger things is where you hurt one and they all feel it

They may all know but idk bout feeling it

[dark compass]

">:3" — Helminth, through Lizzie

[restive river]

I want more Lizzie dialogue

She can tell us so much

[waxen mesa]

at the very least. I feel like Helminth strain is a more individuality...y one

[restive river]

It’s as individual as any other strain

[waxen mesa]

i say that only because Lizzie can be a very distinct individual at times

[dark compass]

It's multiple connected minds, but these minds are still different

[celest needle]

Not too sure on Voruna or Cyte and maybe Limbo?

[restive river]

Lizzie is the most individual infested we’ve seen that like
Speaks to us

Zealoid, Lephantis, all them seem similar (almost individuals) but def full hivemind
Where Lizzie is a bit more of a personality

[dark compass]

Cyte was mass produced

[lean garden]

Limbo is a no

[dark compass]

They just got into a situation

[lean garden]

Voruna in her present state maybe, but before? Maybe not

[waxen mesa]

back to this tho.

I feel like some frames are just...special?

like Yareli.

[restive river]

Voruna isn’t from a quest
Cyte’s in 1999 so they’re like Temple for unique factor
Limbo’s from a quest

[waxen mesa]

maybe im just mixing up "has a present story" with uniqueness

[restive river]

All frames are special in their own way

[dark compass]

Doesn't Cyte description talk about it being a strain with a distinct meaning and use for the Orokin, that later got trashed and erased

[restive river]

You wouldn’t think Ash is special but he had a whole leverian

[waxen mesa]

i feel like some frames during the Orokin time were unique while otheres were mass produced

[restive river]

I just know it was lost to time

[waxen mesa]

then again were there enough tenno to justify mass production of warframe strains?

[celest needle]

Garuda isn't special though right?

[lean garden]

Lol there were definitely more than 126 tenno

[restive river]

Oh for sure, but there were still unique frames that were also mass produced

[celest needle]

They literally found her in a clod of vines

[lean garden]

I mean if they give us any damn garuda lore we'd know

[dark compass]

Move like a shadow, strike with force. The Orokin created a Warframe that marries damage and stealth to eliminate sensitive problems, but he disappeared in the chaos of their demise. All that remains is a batch name: Cyte-09

It was definitely mass produced

[restive river]

We don’t know!

[waxen mesa]

slaps roof of Zariman this baby can fit so much space trauma

[dark compass]

We know nothing about her

[strange plinth]

garuda has no lore to say one way or the other
she's technically a quest reward from Vox Solaris, but there's nothing really stopping Eudico from giving her to other tenno

[celest needle]

Hey I made that joke

Slaps reliquary drive This bad boy can slam so much trauma you can create an entire alternate dimension from a picture book

[restive river]

slaps entirety of Tau and this one can hold even more!

[dark compass]

slaps my own face ouch

[restive river]

She got her out of the DUMPSTER

[dark compass]

Brozime put her there

[restive river]

She’s not even a bad frame smh

Anyway lol

[dark compass]

Back to important topics

[strange plinth]

-# garuda lore is an important topic but ok /s

[restive river]

Oh no it is

[dark compass]

Cyte was 100% mass produced but rebellion messed everything up

[restive river]

We just don’t have anything

[dark compass]

We don't have anything to talk about with Garuda

[restive river]

Almost every frame that was made by Ballas was mass produced for sure

[dark compass]

Just answering the question about it being unique or not

[celest needle]

slaps fortuna elevator door
"That bad boy is so empty you can fit an entire system in here"

[waxen mesa]

I guess i kinda assume that any bounty system is canonically done solo. Operator is the only one working for vox solaris

[celest needle]

All Tenno are

[restive river]

You can fit TWO!
An open world and a mine!

[dark compass]

It's still kind of cursed how we got the place someone found Garuda in and we just got absolutely nothing on her in the entire update

[celest needle]

I love Fortuna's vibe and story but like most things in this game it is so ass to play

[restive river]

Nah Nokko and Yareli being maybe siblings is clearly more important

Yareli needed MORE lore totally

[dark compass]

She was a proud single mom of Nokko and Yareli

[strange plinth]

there was such a big opportunity for garuda lore but no ! yareli's brother actually !

[celest needle]

And a banger prime trailer song 🗣️

[restive river]

And Baruuk was their dad

[dark compass]

Yeah

[restive river]

And Hildryn was there too

[dark compass]

And Hildryn was there too...

[strange plinth]

hildryn an.. aunt?

[restive river]

Actually no
Hildryn and Rhino are wrestling (she wins)

[waxen mesa]

Hildryn was on the stool

[dark compass]

She would break the stool if she sat on it

[restive river]

Hildryn and Rhino are totally counterparts
Baruuk and Garuda are opposites
And Nokko and Yareli are maybe siblings

Venus!

[dark compass]

That's why garuda is the single mom, it didn't work out all that well

[strange plinth]

Nokko and Yareli, the defying authority siblings

[restive river]

Baruuk took the kids

[dark compass]

You're saying it like his first ability isn't Elude

[restive river]

Married into Hildryn and Rhino’s relationship totally

[restive river]

LMAO
He hates his ex wife

Too violent

[dark compass]

But he also dodged the responsibility

It was a messy marriage

[celest needle]

I wonder how were the origins and lives of some frames before they got Ballas'd

[restive river]

He left his kids with some ventkids and mushrooms

[restive river]

Best we got on that is the Protos (who aren’t even the originals (minus Temple and maybe Uriel)) and Umbra
Oh and Dagath!

[celest needle]

Especially some like Harrow, Caliban, Styanax

I know its not important but