lore-discussion

[celest needle]

I got to say
The coda intro has to be one of the best boss intros in this entire game

[fast dew]

The entrati family were messed up, but not THAT messed up

Their family tree aint a god damn ladder ffs

[tropic cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-news-just-in-alert-gif-17153328

Welcome to Tenno lore news today we have the weirdest request and conversations up-to-date

The upcoming predictions are

[celest needle]

Can't be weirder then Helldivers lore talks or rather more insane.

[tropic cliff]

What do we have for upcoming predictions? We’re gonna go today with a rubric marine what are your predictions for the upcoming update?

[celest needle]

Some people really don't get satire

[dark compass]

I am predicting that I'll eat this shitty sandwich

[celest needle]

I'll have to leave #spoiler-chat for a week so I don't get spoiled on their KIM convos

[fast dew]

Doom lore talks get infuriating. "Oh the slayer gains power from demons" THAT'S THE CANON EXPLANATION TO HEALTH COMING FROM DEMONS YOU ABSOLUTE DOUGHNUT.

[strange plinth]

you'll probably also have to leave this chat

[dark compass]

Doughnut

[fast dew]

Yes, doughnut

[dark compass]

Doughnut...

[fast dew]

British spelling or whatever

[tropic cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/british-hi-benjammins-british-hello-hi-mate-englishman-gif-4971693592937109313

[dark compass]

Like dough... And nut...

[celest needle]

Gonna remind you guys of smooth nef

[fast dew]

Donut doesn't make sense to me.

[strange plinth]

wHY IS HE LIKE THAT

[fast dew]

He kinda looks like ballas

[dark compass]

Anyo without his clown makeup

[tropic cliff]

Did y’all know that he actually like his way up to his position by just saying that he was a void prophet and everyone actually believed it

[fast dew]

A clown without his makeup is just a man 💔

[dark compass]

A man without his makeup is just a clown

[celest needle]

Ordis is this true

[fast dew]

Real

Men should wear makeup more

Be like Albrecht and wear eyeliner

[tropic cliff]

I’m not lying he actually said he was a prophet and people believe them

[fast dew]

Gay ass old man

[celest needle]

As long as I get to look like a guilty gear character then yeah

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fast-pet-kitten-cat-pet-pet-cat-gif-25030970

[dark compass]

Valid, that works

[fast dew]

Albrecht got eyeliner, doc martins and piercings. Truly the peak manipulative bisexual

[pale cedar]

Why don't we pull Ordis to 1999 are we stupid?

[tropic cliff]

If you know, he has extended nails, right he was like nail covers, girl jewelry girl ear piercings

Because the operator needs him for the ship to work

[fast dew]

Nah he has "masculine" piercings. Whatever that could mean 😭

[celest needle]

How isn't the drifters system going into shock from eating Pizza

[tropic cliff]

He kinda has a good point though

[fast dew]

I wanna know how Albrecht was paying for food

[dark compass]

"masculine piercing" is it beer shaped or what

[celest needle]

Corpus doordash

[fast dew]

Did this dude just dine n dash or some shit??

[dark compass]

Yes, he was ordering shitty corpus takeout

[tropic cliff]

He probably robbed some homeless man gas station pizza

[pale cedar]

Cuz it isn't spicy pizza

[celest needle]

That man has only eaten food cubes, whatever magical fantasy food in duviri for like centuries

[strange plinth]

funniest options are stealing or way overpaying with golden obols

[celest needle]

A 20th century pizza filled with fat and grease is probably going to kill him

[tropic cliff]

Hold on hold on how long was he in 1999 UN and everyone else calls him a war criminal bro what did he do during the years?

[fast dew]

Its a pointless term as it usually doesn't mean anything, but masculine piercings are like. Everything but the lobe, dermals and lips. Its mainly the jewellery that makes em "masculine". Thick, not pretty.

[fast dew]

I like to think he just stole stuff and ran

[pale cedar]

Origin System doesn't have 🍕 is the Origin System stupid for banning Pizza?

[fast dew]

Yes

I could live on pizza, its so good

[fast dew]

Stole pizza and hijacked cars

[dark compass]

I HATE GENDER NORMS

Manufactured bs

[fast dew]

Well, it is comforting that the orokin don't seem to care for them

[strange plinth]

-# one good thing the orokin did

[fast dew]

They were more concerned about being classist asshats

[dark compass]

There's one more good thing

Their weird technology allows me to paint my operator green

[fast dew]

No homophobia but rampant classism

Oh and i suppose transphobia won't exist

[dark compass]

Yeah when you can just change your body at such a deep level

[fast dew]

It gets pointless if you could just change your physical gender on a whim

Body modification is pretty cool

[dark compass]

Surpass nature, make your right arm slightly longer

[celest needle]

Kuva gender dysmorphia?

[dark compass]

It doesn't matter if you're a man, or a woman, or a secret third thing, or a secret fourth thing

It's fine as long as you're blue

[celest needle]

if you were green you'd die

[hot mural]

lol

[dark compass]

Calling the man in the wall at 3AM (gone wrong)

[fast dew]

I do imagine that there was a orokin who deadass tired to off themselves to get a yuvan more aligned to themselves

[ashen pulsar]

And I’d bet a lil bit of racism as well

[hollow siren]

Extremely rare Orokin W: they were queer

at the cost of, like, everything else

[fast dew]

What is a society without some form of discrimination

[dark compass]

Mine

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[hollow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/and-they-call-it-a-mine-lord-of-the-rings-gimli-fellowship-of-the-ring-mines-of-moria-gif-3715726165668976204

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-that's-true-feel-that-thats-xata-xata-warframe-meme-gif-15531284589461707381

[strange turtle]

Have you seen how he dressed? He just hacked atms

https://tenor.com/view/watch-dogs-aiden-pearce-gif-6362947695672608146

[strange turtle]

You think they could’ve had like, scientific peasant/wealthy skin tone discrimination?

Like not judging based on the actual colour but how tanned the individual is for their colour, because of the old “darker/tan=peasant working in sun all day” + can’t afford body mods for skin protection or colour change

[dark compass]

ever heard of green humor buddy

[stray herald]

how did the kuva queens came to power?

[dark compass]

they were at power initially

grineer are orokin slave force, and queens are just remnants of the orokin

[stray herald]

so what purpose did they serve in during the orokin era?

[dark compass]

ruling class, simple as

[stray herald]

boring

[dark compass]

the twist is that they were orokin in the first place

since those are all supposedly dead

[pale cedar]

The Tale of Two Sisters

#1 -
A Story once lost
Recovered by fate
The tale of two sisters
Who bore the same face

#2 -
Born one quiet morning
Amidst the great war
All elders were gathered
For this life's new dawn

#3 -
Confused and bewildered
They judged them amiss
For they never witnessed
Two self-same as these

#4 -
A mirrored reflection
Had come into life
By will of their father
Kept safe from the knife

#5 -
Their sameness was shunned
As slave-like and soiled
They tended their strays
Rejected by all

#6 -
As both Girls Matured
Their bond grew in depth
They had the same poise
Same senses, same strength

#7 -
The Uprising came
And Spread like a weed
An army of copy-men
Ferocious and Free

#8 -
And much like the sea
They came just like waves
For years they fought on
For years we remained

#9 -
Like chisel to stone
War molded the twins
Who ravaged the hordes
Became legend to them

#10 -
They had a deep strength
That came from Each other
Unlike all these copies
Identical, but not brothers

#11 -
The copies could see it
They yearned for it too
If the twins could do it
Perhaps they could too

#12 -
The twins had attained
Something more than a whole
A true understanding
Of each other soul

#13 -
The copies became believers
One by one bowed to the twins
And led forth by their new masters
They ravaged the colonies

#14 -
Now a power to follow
Not a force to be fought
From the ashes of war
The Twin Queens were wrought

[twin wigeon]

how kuria-s 🧐

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-cat-shaking-cat-alien-cat-gif-17719290639671130907

[twin wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1330621619474927666/1435999988919566336/caption.gif

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-dance-cat-shake-dance-cat-wiggle-shake-gif-7275729331624892207

[twin wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1440405844444577914.webp?size=512&animated=true

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fast-pet-kitten-cat-pet-pet-cat-gif-25030970

[stray karma]

So I have an idea for a frame and she’s like a ribbon frame but idk if it just sound like a reused Khora, so her first ability is like her ribbons fly around her and cover and take damage in of her and then converts it to health or maybe damage for a melee. Her second ability is like a pin cushion that reaches out for enemies and sucks them in doing a little bit of damage as it does. Her third ability being ribbons come out of the sky and grab enemies pulling them about and doing slash damage. And then her fourth being like theses thread needles that more and more spawn the longer you hold until you let go and they go out everywhere or go to enemies and do slash and puncture damage, and maybe you can like mod them but not like a full weapon they have like 5 mod slots for them. And for like a passive you can have more than one emphemra and when you use her 2nd. And 3rd they do big damage or they do something cool… so uh any thoughts…

[dark compass]

sounds morel like Nezha rather than Khora

interesting

[stray karma]

Well when I first thought of her I was thinking her 3rd would be like Khoras strangle dome

[dark compass]

Oh, actually

closer to Garuda, not sure why i thought of nezha first

i like the idea, i imagine needles could work like a very wide range primer

@stray karma ping because you wanted thoughts

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-smile-happy-cat-staring-happy-cat-gif-7699470421108511910

[stray karma]

I like the gif

[stray karma]

I also thought that because of seeking talons

[stray karma]

I like that idea

[dark compass]

Doesnt have to be limited in modding

can maybe have lower crit but good status chance

[dark compass]

the real question is what weapon mods would it use

and im not sure if it should be melee

[stray karma]

Well I was think for a weapon she could have a bow and the arrow has a needle skin

[dark compass]

it has a very high amount of projectiles, maybe it could be a shotgun

[stray karma]

Oooo yes!

But that shotgun has to be slim because miss doll has to serve mamas

[dark compass]

oh, i meant the moddable needles!

[stray karma]

Oooo like shotgun mods

[dark compass]

yeah

but a needle shotgun

hm

[dark compass]

like fulmin alt mode

small, silent and precise

[ocean geyser]

So old lore was the Braton was a Corpus gun??

[dark compass]

yeah initially it had corpus markings and text

[ocean geyser]

Oh interesting

[dark compass]

just like Boar was a grineer weapon

[twin wigeon]

and gotva prime is supposedly an orokin grineer weapon?

[silk atlas]

Or how Snipetron got discontinued
Or how Furax is still a Grineer weapon

Just some ancient weirdness with the lore

[dark compass]

gotva prime is the prime grineer weapon. Back when they were directly under Orokin servitude

it still is, they use it in old peace

[twin wigeon]

thats what i said think? or is there a distinction btwn orokin grineer and prime grineer

[dark compass]

oh sorry, i thought you wanted confirmation/clarification

yeah thats what you said yourself

[silk atlas]

"Prime Grineer" isn't a thing

[dark compass]

phrasing

i meant the same thing

[twin wigeon]

nws, i wonder why it got lost to time

maybe it was only used by grineer in tau

[silk atlas]

Lots of Orokin tech was lost to time

[dark compass]

well thrax use a corrupted variant of it, something to do with them i imagine

[twin wigeon]

do we know whats up with the thrax?

like they're like allies of wally or like minions but like

[dark compass]

theyre minions of Thrax

[twin wigeon]

Dominus Thrax?

[dark compass]

yeah

Lodun in his missions rants a lot about how they are a new elite unit that he doesnt like

[twin wigeon]

but what about the ones on the zariman or lua

[dark compass]

he talks like its Thrax's idea, otherwise its not very clear where they are coming from

[ocean geyser]

Not anymore at least

[twin wigeon]

ahhhhhh so maybe thrax just found some thrax willing to cooperate or something?

[ocean geyser]

But i’d like to point out that the Noggle from the tennocon relay is literally named “Prime Grineer” so

[dark compass]

Yeah that's where I got the name from

[pale cedar]

Grineer in their Prime died with the Orokin

[twin wigeon]

Prime Grineer... i wonder if they're will be Prime Corpus

[dark compass]

I just hope that with Old Peace there'll be a non-corrupted version of Hespar

[twin wigeon]

actually thats unlikely that there'll be Prime Corpus

[silk atlas]

No I mean in general. Those were just the Grineer before clone rot destroyed them, and I really doubt the Orokin would want to give Prime stuff to the people they despised, carbon-copy clones

[ocean geyser]

Yeah but their tech degraded too

Even down to their ships

[pale cedar]

Nah, Corpus were an Orokin rival

[ocean geyser]

The Grineer still use Bolkors and Firbolgs today
Those weren’t made up out of knowhere

You see them in the intro cinematic

[twin wigeon]

thought so, plus weren't corpus like farmers or such?

[ocean geyser]

Therefore there was prime tech used by the grineer
They just obviously can’t make that anymore

[pale cedar]

Parvos was

[dark compass]

You can say Protea is a prime corpus creation

[ocean geyser]

Started out that way, then Parvos went “hmm yes everyone can become rich”

[silk atlas]

The person who founded it was a farmer

[dark compass]

Velox is blue, protea is orange, so it's a corpus weapon

[twin wigeon]

Parvos went full pyramid scheme i think?

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

And then used it to build a city

[pale cedar]

His symbol is literally a Pyramid

[twin wigeon]

I aspire to be Parvos one day

[pale cedar]

Parvos as much as he roasted Nef is just as bad

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[twin wigeon]

Parvos was more about ulterior motive rather than outright greed

He empowers others to then profit off them

[ocean geyser]

His whole thing is about desire so like

[lean garden]

Nah\

[dark compass]

Actually what I'm talking about

[lean garden]

Scrooge's wealth was all tied up in the materiakl

[dark compass]

He literally has a golden hand

[ocean geyser]

Sounds kind of greedy to me
But he’s greedy in a smart way instead of hogging things like a bloated dragon

[lean garden]

parvos isnt about the material, he's about a different kinda wealth

[twin wigeon]

Yeah he's an intellectual hoarder

[ocean geyser]

He’s sort of about everything even

[lean garden]

the kind that lets you walk up to the most powerful man in the system and ask him to make you a warframe

[twin wigeon]

he's also actively leeching off the resources from the sanctum

[lean garden]

after robbing the arguably most powerful family in the system

[pale cedar]

I’ll make it if you stop blowing up my Warframes type thing

[twin wigeon]

he's described as a robber baron isn't he?

[pale cedar]

Parvos’ first crime was literally stealing

[ocean geyser]

I remember seeing somewhere that there were elites above the 7
Although that probably isn’t true since i think i saw that on the wiki

[lean garden]

yea thats not true lol

thats someone thinking that the reference to the Seven emperors isnt somehow the same as the Seven executors

[ocean geyser]

Goofy ass

Yeah i just checked their references and they don’t even indicate that there’s a difference

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[lean garden]

Welp I guess that its time to change the wiki again

[ocean geyser]

Someone’s probably going to put ut back

The wiki still says that the Zariman was used first, then the sentients

Even though it was sentients first and then the Zariman was sent because the Orokin got impatient

(Orokin moment)

[pale cedar]

Tbh the lore for which is first is hidden in an interview which most players in the wiki don’t read

[ocean geyser]

Damn

[stiff beacon]

which interview is that

also i thought zariman being sent 2nd was info found in game

[pale cedar]

I’d have to look as there was many interviews after Tennocon

[stiff beacon]

or well indicated based on other info

[pale cedar]

Zariman being first is more what the game implies than second

We aren’t told what is first in game

We only got the answer from the interview

[stiff beacon]

you sure? cause i could've sworn it was mention in one of the simaris entries on the sentients creation

[pale cedar]

What the interview answer said was
Sentients were sent
Orokin got impatient
Zariman was sent

Simaris entry doesn’t say Sentients were sent first

We didn’t have a concrete answer till Tennocon

[stiff beacon]

i mean we really didnt given its a logical assumption that the sentients went first then the colony ship

[lean garden]

Which I always challenged with "if the sentients were building a rail, why did they bother to use a ship that could get there faster"

because then the answer would be, as truth would have it, an irrational answer: someone got impatient

[ocean geyser]

Therefore:
Orokin moment

[woven coyote]

Yup

As for the simaris thing that was mentioned
The sentient creation log mentioned "other failed ventures" to reach tau, and since the only other one we knew of was the zariman it was assumed that zariman would have happened first

[lean garden]

Even in the truth of the situation, the Zariman was always intended to arrive before the sentients, so any arguments that the orokin had the sentients go first to prepare tau for the Zariman was always going to be false

[ocean geyser]

Ig it’s time for someone to update the silly wiki

[earnest sapphire]

Did Jade save Stalker during the Orokin massacre from the Tenno? There’s an image of Jade protecting Stalker from Exaclibur and I was curious on that, unless that’s some guardian Angel thing every time he tries to hunt a tenno

[lean garden]

yeap

[hollow siren]

Seems the Zariman is the plan Tuvul is talking about here, and the Sentients are like "Hey why don't we send these ahead of the ship to prepare it for the colonists? I'm sure it'll work out."

[ocean geyser]

That’s the assumption it creates

But not the truth

[lean garden]

I mean the zariman would then have failed according to that sentence, and couldn't have been something the Sentients were preparing tau for

[woven coyote]

The plan as far as i understand is reaching tau, then followed by "countless other failures" which we know the zariman to have failed

[earnest sapphire]

Interesting

[woven coyote]

Doesnt sound to me like the zariman was planned to be used in tandem

And in fact it wasnt thx to the interview
It was orokin impatience

"This is taking too long lets try something else" rather than "let's use these two projects together"

[stiff beacon]

ok so this begs the question wtf were the other attempts at this

[woven coyote]

Yeah

Really wth did they attempt before

What?

[dark compass]

the gif

[twin wigeon]

lmao

[dark compass]

i will not bear the shame

[hollow siren]

Maybe there's a normal rocket ship still slowly heading towards Tau to this day...

[stiff beacon]

i seriously doubt that it sounds too safe for the orokin

[twin wigeon]

indeed too safe

there has to be some kind of monstrous plan or scheme

[proper barn]

I mean Albretch in his like logs talk about how they need to go to a different system at somepoint.

So I can imagine a lot of random tries to get to tau.

[fast dew]

There was multiple zariman, all but 10-0 were unmanned

[hot mural]

What happened to them

?

[silk atlas]

We don't know. Presumably failed

Unless they want to say the earlier Zariman were actually just the Sentients later

[stray karma]

Interesting

[dire mountain]

Actually its what the tennocon noggle is called

[silk atlas]

Bruh

[dire mountain]

So there is precedence but it sounds stupid

[silk atlas]

Completely forget about that stupid thing

[pale cedar]

Either way it still just means Orokin made Grineer which would obviously be better than modern day Grineer

[hot mural]

Wait if they failed t f did we do cuz I know for a reason we did not go through hell and got expected results

[silk atlas]

We also failed.

The Zariman never made it to Tau

[hot mural]

I mean we got cool powers apart from the life lasting trauma

[hot mural]

Right I keep forgetting that was the point

[pale cedar]

Cool powers we couldn’t handle and blinded a woman with

[twin wigeon]

Cool powers we killed our parents with

[pale cedar]

Prime time entertainment for Wally though

[twin wigeon]

Munches on some bones as he laughs at the chaos

[hot mural]

Skill issue

[twin wigeon]

D:

Sentence this Void Devil to the Jade Light

[hot mural]

Its true tho we didn't have the skill soooo...skill issue

[stiff beacon]

cool powers we mutilated a random orokin military officer with

(see ember prime codex entry)

[strange plinth]

margulis as well

[twin wigeon]

Cool powers we also used to exterminate a whole race of "people" (orokin)

[ashen pulsar]

Why dis Mara lohk look so mad 🤣🤣

[twin wigeon]

huh

[hot mural]

Void Tounge

Similar to how in Harry Potter they say Mud blood as an insult

[twin wigeon]

Mara is also the Dev Operator for de btw iirc

and yes Mara Lohk means "Void Something"

(we're not 100% on what Mara means)

[dark compass]

Void lug-

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-fight-beat-up-beating-punching-gif-13866624219462802987

[strange turtle]

Void K*ddo

[hot mural]

!report

[waxen mesa]

how likely is it that Mara is void tongue for demon? The Operator is referred to as mara lohk by a few sources. Lohk meaning void means "void demon" is a strong possibility

demon being another thing the operator gets referred to

[fast dew]

I personally think it means child

[dire mountain]

0 days since the last mara post

[waxen mesa]

good

[silk atlas]

Lots of people assume it means child rather than demon but nothing concrete and either is frankly likely

[normal mountain]

Hmm
Ka- is the negative prefix, right?

So if Mara does in fact mean 'demon'
Then Kamara Lohk could mean Void Angel

[waxen mesa]

Adult Angel

[ashen pulsar]

Void adult

[waxen mesa]

right

[ashen pulsar]

Void non-child

[normal mountain]

Void Adult lol

[dire mountain]

Drifter

[normal mountain]

I mean, yes
Except Mara Lohk apparently still applies to Drifter

That would be funnier though

[celest needle]

Just need clarification

was this wally

and what the hell happened aftere

[woven coyote]

Personally i think albrecht just learned voidtongue like an old gay wizard that he is

Kalimos is too chill for it to be wally

[pallid spoke]

I thought that scene was meant to be an implication of Wally finally catching/possessing Albrecht because we were late.

[dark compass]

Same

And we go there to fix that

[silk atlas]

Well if he was caught caught then we just lost.

[pallid spoke]

Timelines?

If Eternalism works the way I think it does, wouldn't that mean that Albrecht doesn't get caught in every timeline?

[woven coyote]

Except the one catching is wally

The one with the capability to colapse timelines

[pale cedar]

Wally caught him then the loop looped

Wally was literally in the next room

[stiff beacon]

on the chair

[pale cedar]

Nah he’s in a tunnel

[silk atlas]

1. We wouldn't care about those timelines because it's not ours.
2. There's just the one Wally that exists outside of time, it's not like he's spreading around doing random things (that matter to us) in other timelines

[pallid spoke]

As that one kid in class said:
"My head hurts..."

[pale cedar]

How do you think it works?

[silk atlas]

If it's not our timeline, it's irrelevant.

[pale cedar]

Warframe players almost never actually get Eternalism right

[dark compass]

I ate the sandwich and I decided not to

[pallid spoke]

I thought it was just generic multiverse-theory. In that there's a timeline for every choice/action.

"Her parents will survive, her parents will die."

[pale cedar]

You’re missing the word Eurelia said

Theoretically

[dark compass]

The sandwich came back to kill me

[pale cedar]

Did you defeat it?

[silk atlas]

theoretically accessible

She also pretty much says "yeah the only reason this is something we even care about is because of the Void"

[pallid spoke]

I did hear the "theoretically accessible" part, I'm just too dumb to understand exactly what that means.

[dark compass]

I ate it

I died

[pale cedar]

Looks like a draw to me

[dark compass]

1:1

[silk atlas]

It means it just doesn't really matter in 99% of contexts.

It's like how we have theoretical physics

[hollow siren]

Means there's some infinitesimal chance to access them, so labelling them as inaccesible would be technically incorrect even tho it effectively is

[pale cedar]

Players use it to solve problems they don’t know how to solve without understanding the whole theoretically accessible means you aren’t gonna be able to use it anyway

[hollow siren]

it's like how you can theoretically quantum-phase through a 4-meter thick concrete wall

[pallid spoke]

So, basically it doesn't really matter cause the only thing that can make other timelines accessible is enough screwing around with the Void.

[hollow siren]

yep

[silk atlas]

And even then that's stupid rare with a whole 1 time it happened to our knowledge

[pallid spoke]

Wouldn't that be 2 times?

Cause both Drifter and 1999.

[pale cedar]

3

[hollow siren]

1999 is just the past

[silk atlas]

I assume you're meaning Albrecht and Teshin

[pallid spoke]

I know 1999 is the actual past, but I thought time-travel fell under the same boat.

[pale cedar]

I mean

Drifter

Baro

Eleanor nun thing

[silk atlas]

Oh yeah the nun thing. Baro I'm not sure on since that was just the usual Wally deal stuff

[pale cedar]

Definitely still Void muckery

[hollow siren]

It's the exact same thing we did

if we're an example then Baro is

[silk atlas]

Yeah but I'm specifically talking about accessing other timelines
Which was what Drifter did moving out of theirs into ours

It's Void shenanigans without necessarily going around through timelines to do it

[rotund tinsel]

I always thought of it like
Drifter is from the void in our Operator's dimension but was locked in Duviri thanks to the paradox,like living in a neighbour but isolating yourself unintentionally

[silk atlas]

There is only one Void that connects time, so the analogy is sorta right

[hollow siren]

In the Void the Drifter and Operator exist separately, but in Reality they're one and the same

[twin wigeon]

The Murmur munch on possibilities right? i forget what albrecht said abt them

[twin wigeon]

Drifter and Operator are different people same soul or smth like that according to Wally Rusulka

[twin wigeon]

no he made a comment during the first hex quest about the murmur pouring in during the confrontation with wally/rusulka

[pale cedar]

Same Void signature

[old dome]

......im getting the distinct feeling that i messed up w quincy. badly.

i chose the dialogues that my oc would say, not me... oof.

[silk atlas]

pretty sure you're fine for now

[strange plinth]

that doesn't strike me as messing up that badly
checked kimulacrum, ||you're good. just a boolean for some choices later(?)||
||also oh god one of quincy's convo flowcharts is a nightmare to navigate||

[restive river]

They were literally the same person but their paths diverged, they’re the same “soul”, same biologically but where they differ is how they grow, what they experienced and who they became

[twin wigeon]

I know

[restive river]

Like they are both the same person and different people in literally the same way that an alternate universe version of you is the same person, yet different

[twin wigeon]

im just mentioning what wally/rusulka says

:3

[restive river]

(second stage) Neci Rusalka: "Two identical souls raised in such different environments. Haven't you figured it out yet? [laughs] You're fascinating."

Identical cause they were the same soul lol

[humble sierra]

I'm curious, what exactly haven't we figured out? Are we meant to know?

Like is there something that was foreshadowed?

Or is it meant to refer to that statement itself?

[celest needle]

Wally got to stop acting like we know we don't get the point 😭

[lunar flume]

Anyone know what that sound was?

[bright temple]

sorry, i was crawling in the walls

[lunar flume]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-in-the-walls-in-the-walls-wall-muppet-panicking-gif-27546618

[humble sierra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1kopo2q/what_was_that_weird_loud_noise_in_the_back_office/

[hidden cove]

Warframes are made of Helminth, right?

Then why do they get infected... by Helminth... and grow a cyst?

[fast dew]

Uh..

Cancer? I think? Idk

[strange plinth]

yeah idk how much lore those little cysts have
other than a weird connection to helminth and nidus

it looks a little more like the general strain, opposed to helminth, though
that's all i have

[hidden cove]

They also exist as a way to get the Helminth Charger pet

But it doesn't make sense for a biomechanical golem that is made of Helminth, to then get infected by Helminth and grow a cyst

Only for you to take it to the Helminth which then stabs the cyst and inoculates the Warframe... against Helminth

Also, where did the cyst thing originate from? A specific kind of Infested?

I know you catch it from other players who have it but who was Patient Zero?

It was an event, wasn't it?

[lilac aspen]

Tbf
We are made of these cells and yet sometimes we end up getting weird growths made of our own cells too

And I'm not even mentioning the obvious like cancer

[ancient canyon]

excess i assume, it gets overloaded and a cyst forms but it exists in a way that saps needed energy, so therefore it is likely why its malignant

[hidden cove]

Ah yeah, like warts or HPV.

[lilac aspen]

"Space Aids"
Helminth gave us Space Aids

[humble sierra]

Yeah or it's like mosquito bites, like Nidus has a different "blood type"

[strange plinth]

looks like the cysts started existing at the same time as, or shortly after, nidus was added
then they were addressed in patch notes when introducing the cure

[lilac aspen]

From how I see it
Yes they're made from Helminth strain
But it's still them getting injected with an abundance of extra stuff right in the neck

Which is why the cyst probably forms, just because they may have similarities, it's still a foreign spot to suddenly add more stuff.

[strange plinth]

so nidus being able to spread the cysts by default would be the "patient zero"

[hidden cove]

Ah yeah, the obvious answer lmfao

[ancient canyon]

also this is pure idea stuff, but im curious, considering how Transference works, would it be possible for ANYTHING that has had contact enough with the void to theoretically be able to transfer to warframes, or anything with a transference bolt? ie; non-tenno to a frame if theyre tied enough to void? or is there a lore thing specifically in place telling us why tenno specifically are the only beings in existence able to control frames(besides subdjucation)

[hidden cove]

I'm stupid sometimes

Obviously it would have been Nidus 😂

The dude could walk into the Helminth room without having a cyst on his neck

And he turns into his high mutation stacks mode when you do

[hidden cove]

There is a measure of property transience (is that the term?) when it comes to doing void shifting stuff, as noted by, I believe it's Kaya when she's figuring out time travel. It's why the Tenno don't lose their clothes when they're Transferencing

It would be funny if you could throw someone into a Warframe and trap them in it lmfao

[lilac aspen]

The reason Tenno can use Transference so seamlessly without any issues is because they're basically weird Void beings at this point. To them it's as natural as breathing.
And the reason they can control frames so easily is because they "Take away their pain", they help the warframe's sanity and in return pilot the body.

[ancient canyon]

Yea, thats why im wondering if other Void beings could harness frames, or be locked into one theoretically. Like imagine a Void angel suddenly is able to use a frame, or a Sentient has a frame

[hidden cove]

Void Angel Warframe would be insane

[ancient canyon]

sentient with a frame would be disasterous aswell

[hidden cove]

A Void Angel shifted into a Warframe attempting to destroy it, and ends up fusing with it

[ancient canyon]

helping the warframes insanity? nah, warframe fixing YOUR insanity

[hidden cove]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[ancient canyon]

Time to make my theoretical OC idea since the devs havent disproven this/hj

[lilac aspen]

Probably not
Or rather not those examples you gave

Void angels are insane and probably don't have the reasoning to think to get into a frame

Meanwhile Sentients don't need frames
They technically have their own "warframes" which are giant mecha sentient suits

[ancient canyon]

very true

[hidden cove]

Sentients are also capable of hijacking Warframes I think. Isn't that what happened with Chroma in The New Strange?

[ancient canyon]

They CAN?

[strange plinth]

transference is not an innate void ability (see silver grove and silvana transferring into a whole damn forest)
others can figure out how to do it, we just have a very easy way to do it

[strange plinth]

Chroma isn't really explained tbf. he's just rogue w/o a tenno controller

[hidden cove]

Also, Mutalyst Alad V hijacked a Mesa with an infested collar I believe

[ancient canyon]

ahhh

[ancient canyon]

morphs into forest 🌳

[hidden cove]

Aye, honestly those older quests really don't explain much

I hope DE revisit some of them and make stuff more clear

[lilac aspen]

Oh
He did something worse
He figured out how to basically make a Warframe "Infested"

[humble sierra]

Void Angels have that attack where they kick you out of your Warframe and trap it in a cage, would be neat for that to be used as lore for that idea

[ancient canyon]

Excaliber Umbra also is a unique case aswell, considering hes a still sapient & sentient Frame that is fine with us messing with them

[hidden cove]

Lmfao the 'Helminth infecting Helminth' thing again

[ancient canyon]

SINCE WHEN(i have yet to be messed with like this 💀 )

[strange plinth]

they did change some dialogue in Once Awake in koumei & the five fates (iirc), so its definitely possible

[hidden cove]

Man it happens to me all the damn time

[humble sierra]

You probably kill them before they have a chance to do so

[ancient canyon]

im going to go back to doing story stuff and stopp accidentally spoiling myself i think 💀

[lilac aspen]

More like figuring out how to make a frame fully join the infested

[hidden cove]

My Operator is no slouch but it's so annoying when it keeps happening

[ancient canyon]

probs a good thing then 🫡

[humble sierra]

What part of the story you up to?

[ancient canyon]

Uhhh, just finished Sacrifice, startin Prelude.

[hidden cove]

Oh cool

[humble sierra]

Ah yeah you wouldn't have met any enemies with that ability

[ancient canyon]

I just had this weird urge to question that stuff because theres no disproven stuff on that

[hidden cove]

I think that agreement is a mix of 'You helped me get revenge, I'll serve you' and 'You eased my pain and I'm forever thankful'.

God, Umbra is such a good character and I wish DE did more with him he had no business being absent in New War

[normal mountain]

I hate that ability
But I love that idea

[humble sierra]

Just a fair word of warning, often things will get explained in later quests

[hidden cove]

That's why I picked him as my Warframe in New War.

[humble sierra]

Just before you continue, someone here hasn't done New War yet

[hidden cove]

I was even using my Drifter to shoot enemies while Umbra backed me up

[strange plinth]

-# his arc was over tho, he accepts what happened at the end of his quest. no more story to tell

[ancient canyon]

im off tho

[normal mountain]

Yes
But people are addicted to their precious buffs, so Umbra got trashed by the players over that one little bug

[ancient canyon]

ignore this and yap im going back to bug my friends who dont play

[hidden cove]

not anymore

Hehe

[humble sierra]

Yes, go finish the story! Get caught up! Then come back with any questions!

[hidden cove]

Beware, there are forced stealth sections. They aren't hard but they are there

Also if you get Bugframe'd and can't progress you can put in a support ticket and DE will pull you out of the quest and mark it as complete

They recently made it replayable too so you can go back after the fact

[celest needle]

gets stuck at the start of the sacrifice

[ancient canyon]

🫡 ty for the warning, def noted

[fast dew]

Which is kinda bull bcs like. Umbra still has base excal's passive, don't he?

[normal mountain]

Yes
But that matters little when you rely on 20 different other buffs

Why I don't worry about buffs with Umbra

Or most ever, but that's just my gameplay style

[ashen pulsar]

it dont rlly matter thooo

[hidden cove]

It can work narratively though

The Warframe goes limp multiple times because the Operator transferences out of it, but each time that happens, Ballas is around. Ballas can compel Umbra to stay down and do nothing

[celest needle]

Also I don't think Umbra can attack Ballas

He could stab him with our help

[fast dew]

Dax can't hurt a orokin, or like. Must obey an orokin?

Which is why the rebelling dax in the old peace is so interesting.

[proper barn]

Ballas operation

[fast dew]

yeah

[proper barn]

is still my thought.

[celest needle]

AT IT AGAIN

[fast dew]

Thinking its ballas, as he's really the only one that would do that

[proper barn]

WELL only one.

i still think we will meet lotus for the "first" time at the end of the old peace.

[celest needle]

Most likely probably they're attacking the sentients and everyone stationed on Perrita

Which I guess doesn't count

[fast dew]

Eh, could pull some bullshit saying one of the other 7 helped

Specifically the unknown 2

[proper barn]

i am calling the end of the old peave

[celest needle]

peave

[fast dew]

Peave

[proper barn]

is we see Lotus and she goes "hello tenno i am your new handler"

you go "you look like marigulus"

[fast dew]

Still wonder where roathe fits

[proper barn]

well in his own thing

[fast dew]

Like. Yeah he's apart of the triad but like

Weird thomas suspicion that he is involved with Tau

[celest needle]

Probably was trying to get into whatever Entrati was doing there

[fast dew]

Or trying to stop him

[proper barn]

i just wanna take lettie to the zoo dawg

so take all the triad out on dates.

[fast dew]

Maybe bluebrecht could've been at tau? Maybe that's how we find him? Find Albrecht blue version and figure out what he's doing there, to figure out what white boy Albrecht is going to tau for?

[celest needle]

Crack Theory: After 1999 Entrati traveled back in time again to the Tauron station to do some research and try to escape to a place he thinks Wally cannot touch without messing up everything

[fast dew]

Nah

It would be before 1999 methinks

Oh

Nah i don't think they'd pull that

[celest needle]

ONE
MORE
DAY

[fast dew]

But i did say they wouldn't make the triad use the sanctum pc for their kimchats, yet that happened

[celest needle]

They take turns on the internet

[fast dew]

Delusional thomas is convinced Roathe doesn't have a kim chat bcs he can't leave and rather the third is Loid's

[fast dew]

I just feel bad for loid

Bro's safe space is being invaded by the constant reminder of the shit Albrecht hid from him

[celest needle]

I mean

Did he think the Orokin top scientist and researcher wasn't going to be that Orokin

[fast dew]

I mean

Albrecht has never really seemed very orokin from the get go

And also

Regardless of the status of Albrecht's caste, Loid can still feel upset about that 😭

[celest needle]

Tragic Old Man Yaoi

[pearl oxide]

Tom spotted

[fast dew]

[leaden thicket]

how can i get hex true ending

[strange plinth]

build your relationship with them

[fast dew]

Gotta do their kimchats and rank up the syndicates

[leaden thicket]

what rank it needs to be?

[strange plinth]

rank 3 syndicate, i think Liked for them individually?
idk you'll know when the cutscenes start playing

[celest needle]

ZARIMAN JUMPSCARE

[leaden thicket]

i see

[pearl oxide]

Hyd

[fast dew]

Tired, sore, but overall im doing good

[celest needle]

Y’all someone ping me when 191 starts I have terrible memory

[pale cedar]

Alr

[runic bronze]

what's yalls fav grineer

[dark compass]

Kela

[runic bronze]

i unironicaly based a good chunk of my grineer warframe concept on her

my fav is

[tall echo]

I don't have one

[north jolt]

The rest of the Orokin were just jelly that he had better drip then the weird blue skin elongated arm thing the rest of them had going on

[pale cedar]

My brain hurts

Earlier in the other server I had to answer basically the entirety of New War in 14 questions

[tall echo]

He looked just like them once

[north jolt]

Yeah but then he realized that fit was kinda weird and lame so he bucked the trend and did something better. Everyone has to go through a awkward but trendy phase before they truly master the drip

[tall echo]

He only changed to blend in to 1999

[north jolt]

Probably but I'm choosing to believe he was fashionably innovative

[pale cedar]

He didn’t even give up with Kuva straight away he said the thought was minute then swelled larger in the latter days

[tall echo]

He had an ugly mask, that was innovative

Looked a bit less in shape than other orokin

[pale cedar]

Fatbrecht

[tall echo]

Apparently wore blue at some point too, although the void logs look like he's wearing the usual orokin robes

[pale cedar]

Still does wear blue

Just not the skin colour

[tall echo]

Different blue

[fast dew]

He was blue to at least duviri

Or, had the hair

Its a safe assumption that he was still blue if he had the hair

[tall echo]

Maybe did continuity like once or twice more

[frank galleon]

whats up with erras distinctive look

like that orb in his belly

[fast dew]

Sentient™

[dark compass]

its just sentients

caliban has that one too

[frank galleon]

fair, hes so cool looking

[fast dew]

Lowkey what are the chances he just changed his skin tone and bleached his hair 😭

[dark compass]

you know

maybe this is the coveted

[hollow siren]

It's seen all over in Narmer stuff, Erra doesn't have it before TNW. Main theories lead to it being some form of Kuva that enhances Sentients provided by Ballas

[pale cedar]

What happens if you bleach hair?

[dark compass]

sentient core™

[hollow siren]

it gets paler?

[fast dew]

... it gets thinner and the melanin or whatever thats in the hair follicle (?) Gets like. Idk. Screwed? I've bleached my hair so often and i don't actually know how it works

Its pretty easy, but pretty easy to mess up

However, he must've been baking that hair for so long, going black to white/silver

[hollow siren]

or it just greyed from stress

[fast dew]

It does have some grey in the portrait iirc, but im not sure if its lighting or not though

Like. It looks to be lighting?

[pale cedar]

Can people with grey hair still dye it to another colour?

[tall echo]

First part isn't even necessary since he lost a lot of his skin and the legally distinct bacta tank probably restores to original condition

[hollow siren]

yes?

you bleach your hair before dyeing it anyways

[fast dew]

They can, they just need to be more careful

Grey hair is easier to damage

[tall echo]

Narmer mirrors, prolly work to hypnotize

They're in his eyes too

[fast dew]

Mm, probably this. Lost skin but retained the hair? The lady im duviri who sells us stuff has a line about Albrecht's hair looking like coiled snakes

[tall echo]

"The lady who sells us stuff"

[fast dew]

SHUR UP

IM DRAWING AND I FORFOR TO SPECIFY

[tall echo]

Im duviri

[fast dew]

Im throwing my phone onto the traintracks.

[tall echo]

Arthritis

[fast dew]

Thats not her name but similar

But like, yeah

[tall echo]

Her name is acrithis so I say arthritis

[fast dew]

So like. Hair retained but skin gone? Usually the hair comes with the skin lmao

[frank galleon]

no kalymos emote..... messed up!

[fast dew]

We have a sticker!

[pale cedar]

Which of you gave Acrithis Arthritis?

[tall echo]

Both gone

[fast dew]

Me, my joint pain is transferable

[tall echo]

Oh no

🏃

[pale cedar]

Transference level stuff right there

[fast dew]

Cant run much longer. I cast LATERAL MENISCUS TEAR ‼️

[pale cedar]

How does a Cephalon run?

[hollow siren]

electric legs

[fast dew]

Does a cephalon dream of electric legs?

[pale cedar]

Do Cephalons dream?

[hollow siren]

Doubt they even sleep tbh

[pale cedar]

What if they dream to dream

[tall echo]

Defragmenting

[lean garden]

ask loid lmao he tells you specifically if cephalons are supposed to

[pale cedar]

Human or shell?

[fast dew]

Wait like the arg thing? Ascloid?

[frank galleon]

how does it work with human loid and cephalon loid, like how can they both exist

[hollow siren]

Necraloid is a mechanical copy of Loid

not a Cephalon, if anything it's kinda the opposite

[pale cedar]

Loids skull was replicated

[hollow siren]

He says "Constructs do not dream"

as he is not a Cephalon

Otak is a Cephalon tho

[fast dew]

He is referred to as construct over cephalon by folk who would know more about his creation

I think like. Drifter is the only one to say cephalon now?

[frank galleon]

i see

[lean garden]

necra

[fast dew]

You aint the only one who is curious to it.

[lean garden]

Necraloid is tho

[hollow siren]

Necraloid is not a Cephalon. It is a construct copy of Loid

[lean garden]

Drifter: Kind of. Necraloid is a Cephalon copy of Loid, who’s still alive. But even if a Cephalon isn’t the original, they’re still people.
yea so

[fast dew]

Ehh

I mean, drifter says Albrecht has kids (plural)

Which... isn't true as far as we know

Unless they mean Vilcor as a son in law?

Or my personal favourite

Roathe is Albrecht abandoned kid

[hollow siren]

Hm, weird

[fast dew]

Remember Drifter isn't the best for information, they can be assuming things

BUT. Given it is said by the pom-2 system in the labs, it has more weight

[lean garden]

actually lets scroll back to this

which convo is this?

[fast dew]

In a lettie convo, mentioning Albrecht's ex-wife too

[lean garden]

Im at the "Entrati's had [hankypanky]?" bit with eleanor

[fast dew]

LMF9A

[hollow siren]

IIRC. also in a convo with Eleanor

[fast dew]

Yall its a lettie convo 😭

[hollow siren]

her response being "ALBRECHT HAS A FAMILY???? ALBRECHT HAD SEX!??????"

[fast dew]

God that one w Eleanor is funny

[lean garden]

there we go, wife kids, grandkids

[fast dew]

So like. Counting vilcor as a "kid" to Albrecht? Roathe cracktheory or typo?

[hollow siren]

wait fire edit idea

Roathe singing Dagothwave

[fast dew]

...

I could do that

I do need to draw Roathe again

[hollow siren]

This is still my favourite Dagothwave video

https://youtu.be/h8Jfg8oh3YE?si=kV8i_QRS7uG7qSMN

live on stage for you

[fast dew]

I had some scribbles of Roathe that aren't worth posting but now i need to go back and change his hair and eye colour

[hollow siren]

I think why Roathe still looks a bit weird to me is that he has normal eyes, not the whitened eyes Orokin usually have

[pale cedar]

Huh?

[hollow siren]

Orokin have whitened irises and pupils, part of their fashion trend

Only exceptions are Amalgam Ballas and Roathe

[pale cedar]

Even Albrecht?

[hollow siren]

yes

his eyes are not as white in 1999, likely similar to how he has much less blue skin too

[pale cedar]

That’s not the model they used in 1999

Or well it is

But they changed his eyes for it

[hollow siren]

oh yeah true in 1999 he has pretty much normal eyes

he also looks to have no blue tone left in his skin too so

seems he went all-out to blend in

comparison

[fast dew]

They changed his eyes! Go play whispers again and look at the pom-2 recording of him

[fast dew]

Orokin Albrecht did

[hollow siren]

Amalgam Ballas has red eyes instead, plus one of them seems to be prosthetic, so he doesn't look as odd

Roathe just has a perfect blue Orokin face with normal eyes

okay well he has black schlera actually nvm

still looks very different

like idk he kinda looks more like a Drifter using Refacia skin tones rather than an actual Orokin yknow?

[ashen pulsar]

tokyo ghoul reference

[fast dew]

The lighting is skewing the colour, he actually looks like this

[spice spade]

Is there a Lore about Vauban? I'm interested to learn more about him

[hollow siren]

https://youtu.be/lm6DS3IDYqI?si=83sYo3LWiQMbFo1v

Made to infiltrate and destabilize the Corpus, essentially

[spice spade]

So only his Prime introduction is his only lore hahahah

[hollow siren]

this is the case for most prime trailers

many frames have even less

[dark compass]

"must crush capitalism"

[tranquil tree]

He looks very pale though, operator/drifter can also be similar kind of pale with the orokin skin colours

Was Arthur in whispers in the walls changed to use his new model after 1999? Or he still uses his old model

[silk atlas]

He got a new model?

[tranquil tree]

Here's old and new, if you remember back when whispers in the walls released he didn't have the military rank patch and also lacked some accessories he has today

[silk atlas]

Huh

[pale cedar]

It’s not a new Model it’s adding onto an existing model

[north jolt]

I want to find out how and why he ended up in some " '99 " of sorts to begin with, and why he became a proto frame (besides maybe thinking it would be cool )

[hollow siren]

yeah he has a blue hue still in Whispers, but barely any in 1999

[hollow siren]

I believe so, yes

[fast dew]

Likely had a texture replacement

Thats easier than a whole model switch (it was hard enough to rid Loid of his piercing)

[fast dew]

We know why

Albrecht didn't like him and trapped him in xx99 😭 same probably goes for the proto'ing

[hollow siren]

That doesn't answer the why, just the how

[fast dew]

I mean, it kinda does?

Its why roathe is there, no clue why Albrecht chose 99 again

[hollow siren]

It doesn't answer why Roathe was seemingly hated and branded the Heretic of Xata

[fast dew]

True

[stiff beacon]

5 bucks says roathe was an executor that albrecht had personal beef with

though he might be a military officer considering hes wearing armor

[hollow siren]

That would be the fifth Executor named I believe

[stiff beacon]

6th counting nihil

[hollow siren]

Tuvul, Ballas, Nihil, Karrish and...?

[stiff beacon]

aventus i think

[dark compass]

nuclearBox

[hollow siren]

oh right

[dark compass]

So easily forgotten

[hollow siren]

We're sending the Tenno for you vro

[dark compass]

Finally, I've been so lonely

[celest needle]

aight

has it started?

Daklo😭

[humble sierra]

Void lugger
Bah humbugger

[hot mural]

@pale cedar Lore wise how fire is Voruna and Dagath deluxe skin

[pale cedar]

Not a lore thing

[hot mural]

Voruna tho

[celest needle]

Dipped in metal

[hot mural]

Look

Idc Wisp and having "close moments" is all I want

Game of the Year fr

[glacial bough]

Oh there's definitely some Orokin behind things if they can commandeer frames

[old dome]

pictured: me pointedly not looking at the current gameplay bc its spoilers heavy...

[glossy marsh]

||Do you think Gara fought against a Hunhullus on Earth? Or was that a smaller sentient||

[hollow siren]

It was a giant unnamed Sentient, so yeah it might've been one or at least something similar in scale

[fast dew]

Okay chat as the mandatory loid guy

How do we feel about this. I hope its just murderous intent.

[lean garden]

Based on how Adis and the Hunhullus interact, Gara likely fought something closer to Hunhow than a Hunhullus

[strange plinth]

don't know if anyone's analyzed the pieces of the eidolons to see if they line up with hunhullus parts
i'd say something similar in size or bigger rather than just a hunhullus imo

[humble sierra]

My love triangle theory is true

actually crazy

[fast dew]

I don't think its a triangle

[lean garden]

Eido bits dont seem to tally with hunhullus, since eido syndulla isnt present on hunhullus

[fast dew]

It needs to be mutual on all sides for it to be a triangle

[strange plinth]

more like a V. maybe

[fast dew]

Ehh

Not even a v, Loid isn't particularly interested in Roathe it seems. Never looked it.

[lean garden]

also Hunhullus seem to be Sentient weaponry as opposed to being a Sentient

[fast dew]

_/

Like this, kinda

GOD DAMMIT

[strange plinth]

discord formatting always getting in the way

[fast dew]

Discord formatting

I just hope its like. Murderous intent

If it was, Loid would beat his ass i aint gonna lie.

[strange plinth]

ah yeah, definitely not a hunhullus then

[celest needle]

Okay so,

What Tenno is pilloting that ember

[humble sierra]

It goes limp when Megan killed it

[lean garden]

My bet is that its orokin shenanigans

whatever that let ballas stop umbra

[strange plinth]

..
is "hun-" a prefix. hunhullus, hunhow. is there a meaning there

[fast dew]

Yeah wonder who that is

[celest needle]

hunhow
hunwhere
hunwhy

[fast dew]

Dax can't hurt orokin

Or. Have to obey kuva holders

[lean garden]

Unless... Ballas is directly interfering at the reservoir

or Wally is commandeering the frame

[fast dew]

Mm

[lean garden]

so many possibilities

[fast dew]

I don't like that wally is to blame for the memory loss. Wasn't that Margulis?

Maybe that's why she lost her eyes. It wasn't Margulis.

[glacial bough]

Who's blaming Wally

[misty salmon]

Lotus was claiming we were reclaiming our memories from the indifference

... or one of its other names.. I don't recall the exact quote I do recall the exact quote.

[lean garden]

Margulis sealed up the zariman memories, she cant be blamed for memory loss after shes dead

[fast dew]

Nah, it was the indifference

[fast dew]

Mm.

[strange plinth]

"commandeered"
that.. doesn't fit with anything on the separatist side, afaik? even if its just some weird situation where some tenno are on the other side, they wouldn't be commandeered, just also rebels.
direct ballas (or some other executor) interference seems odd, though i can't really explain why
i would also guess wally isn't doing much atm, maybe rell's already doing his thing

[dire mountain]

It might just mean big tbh

[dire mountain]

Praghasa has a different one because shes that much larger

[humble sierra]

"Comandeered" does imply they're doing it unwillingly

or rather that they've been stolen

It's clear the Anarchs have resources

[strange plinth]

yeah. just trying to figure out how they're commandeering frames

[celest needle]

Kind of sad we're just fighting Duviri Dax

[strange plinth]

there were a couple more variants iirc? shown in simulacrum

[lean garden]

lol where do you think duviri got their idea of the dax

[celest needle]

I thought they were exaggerated not straight "Yeah here's a dax with a big hammer"

[lean garden]

Oh... wait... transference isnt a tenno only

[proper barn]

WHY?

[strange plinth]

also do we think this is a generic line or is that specifically ember's?

[lapis lake]

one thing i realized that was not talked about: What about Tauron Academy? will it be a new Ops area, a One-off story plot point, or a Relay? i noticed that they did not talk further about it

[lean garden]

they have the bodies, they can feed fodder to a transference pod to control a frame

we know thats its possible to route transference signals

[celest needle]

You cannot tell me they REALLY just gave a dax a big suit of power armor and a hammer and sent him on the field

[lean garden]

why not

[glacial bough]

THey absoluteely would

[proper barn]

TESHIN DOESn"T EVEN HAVE POWER ARMOR

[lean garden]

dude next to him has a nikana

[proper barn]

HE JUST HAS SOME NORMAL ARMOR ANd A SWORD

[lean garden]

dude behind him got a bow

[lapis lake]

bruh thinks this is Fallout smh

[celest needle]

He's getting sniped by a battlyst 🥀 he has no mobility

[glacial bough]

Heavy armor and giant hammer is an objecivly perfect move for a soldier in the OldWar

[proper barn]

also @celest needle The whole point about fighting sentients is blade and gun is like the only thing they can use against them.

[dark compass]

Two swords

[strange plinth]

doesn't matter if you're allied with them at this point in time

[proper barn]

cuz any like tech advanced enough to like do something probably can also

be taken over by them.

[glacial bough]

You say that like they don't have a heavier defense in compensation

[stiff fable]

Given that the TAU key art has its wreckage on the surface of Tau, and the Perita scenes don't have you walk around it?

https://tenor.com/view/demolition-expert-explode-gif-15448905

[lapis lake]

🤷

if not would make for a great Captura

[proper barn]

Not a relay. At least not now. Cuz of this. Which means we can have a pretty explosive ending to the quest.

If they want.

[lapis lake]

just have to wait for December to see

[strange plinth]

it could be a relay-type area, similar to how 1999 has the navigation in the mall
but given that the triad seem to be the vendors of the update, probably not

[lapis lake]

again have to see on the 10th

[proper barn]

Yeah I think the end will be

Very explosive and like "the war is BACK ON"

[celest needle]

But who shall do the detonation?

[stiff fable]

Operator, of course

[ashen pulsar]

Is höllvania pronounced hullvania

[lapis lake]

hole-vania

[ashen pulsar]

Ö has a pronunciation that I forget

[raw stone]

So. Uh. We are the Perrita Rebellion it seems?

For some reason, I assume our bleeding heart values, turn sympathetic to Tau and rebel against the Prime Vanguard and the Orokin forces on Tau? I think?

[stiff fable]

No

The Anarchs have managed to flip a number of Warframes to their side, while we loyally serve the Orokin Empire

Along with our Sentient allies at the Tauron Academy

[dark compass]

And the empire has the truce with Sentients

Which is what the old peace is

I wonder what will go wrong

[stiff fable]

Now the twist is almost certainly that the Anarchs are being controlled by the Orokin as well

[dark compass]

Roathe

[raw stone]

I... definitrly missed something

[ashen pulsar]

For now

[raw stone]

I-- alright. I'mma just relearn this when it actually drops. Despite the fact I was here both devstreams...

[stiff fable]

We know what triggered the Tenno into turning on the Orokin

[ashen pulsar]

What

I’m confuse

[stiff fable]

Dax literally cannot refuse orders from an Orokin

Literally can not

[cunning tapir]

and there are dax soldiers on the anarch side.

[stiff fable]

Meaning the only way they could rebel is if an Orokin told them to

So the Orokin are playing both sides of the war

[cunning tapir]

that....would certainly be something the Orokin would do.
Make up an enemy for both you and a former enemy to fight against and have said former enemy be more trusting towards you.

Reason 2394431343 that the Orokin suck.

[strange turtle]

Like, all the posts and times it’s come up on stream

[ashen pulsar]

Ohh

[raw stone]

https://tenor.com/view/knights-of-guinevere-glitch-glitch-productions-hmp-guinevere-gif-7224927943723458589

I do my best to listen and you gotta be like that. Anyway. Yeah. I guess we'll learn the rebellion's deal or something

[stiff beacon]

5 bucks says they figured out the orokin are jackasses

or are being puppetered by someone

[raw stone]

Idk. Who spearheaded tau relations?

Couldn't be Tuvul. Or Ballas. Maybe.

Maybe some secret third of the 7 executors I guess?

Wasn't there a giant orokin statue in the tauron academé?

[stiff beacon]

again its more like the 2 remaining given nihil's existence

and well dude fits the whole seven sins bit some of the executors have going on

[raw stone]

We have Nihil, Tuvul, and Ballas. There were seven granted?

Was Vilcor on it? No... couldn't have.

Three remaining unless there's another executor I forgot?

[misty salmon]

Avantus is a name that's popped up as an executor (Arid Eviscerator synthisis log)... but I don't know how many details we have on her.

other than she died to a grineer rebellion while escaping a tower being overrun with infested.

Karishh - Fled to Europa, most likely eaten by Grendel (Grendel Leverian)

[humble sierra]

But Ballas would make an equal amount of sense too

Of course he'd stir up conflict again if it meant getting Tau

I think he was also the one who provided that one Archimedian to continue their research into Sentients? Maybe he also knows how to cause Core Overloads and gave that info to the insurgents?

[bright temple]

gods, operator is really having a rough time

[olive trout]

yall recommend nidus or sevagoth?

[humble sierra]

@lean garden @strange plinth

[feral cape]

That is nice

[humble sierra]

Ascaris, as in what Vor used to try and control our Warframes-- I'm guessing the Insurgents are using the same on the other Warframes to control them, and enemies drop them

We End as We Began

[olive trout]

guys what u recommend nidus or sevagoth

[humble sierra]

Sevagoth's prime is still in rotation so probably him just for that

[olive trout]

no like recommend nidus or sevagoth in better gameplay like most damage and maybe max investment

not in rotations

[humble sierra]

Sevagoth needs a bit more to invest in I think because he's got two exalted

but like, no Warframe is bad

Probably ask #gameplay-discussion or #warframe-general instead of here if you're not caught up with the story btw

[olive trout]

well am trying every warframe rn to main until finals

alr

[stiff fable]

DE's never clarified if Nihil was an Executor or merely an executioner

[celest needle]

Ascaris bolt lore in big 2025???

HOLY MUCK

[proper barn]

Vilcor was a low class solider turn weaponsmaker.

Well low class for a Orokin.

[humble sierra]

Yeah he married into nobility

[rotund tinsel]

I haven't reached R5 Entrati but did they name eularia the same name or did they choose a different name?

[raw stone]

So... Tuvul, Ballas, Avantus, Karishh... still three elft to be named for Tau's operations.

[proper barn]

Different

@rotund tinsel you even get a name.

[raw stone]

Gomaitru.

[proper barn]

Wowie

I wasn't gonna say.

[raw stone]

It reminds me of the word: Matron.

[proper barn]

Also she has a cool scene anyway.

[raw stone]

I wish sometimes I could rewatch all rank up scenes.

[rotund tinsel]

"we had no right to expect such help....from the tenno" knowing what happened to the orokin,I wonder if they remember the slaughter part

[mossy owl]

Why does every enemy party want the power of a warframe?

[rotund tinsel]

Huge power spike if they end up getting a warframe on their hands

[raw stone]

From our perspective its humdrum doldrums. But Corpus and Grineer live lives. In stark contrast to our relatively swan-about lives.

[proper barn]

Who? The family?

Cuz Son had a fiancé we killed during the night of naga drums So seemingly the rest remember.

[rotund tinsel]

It's a description to one of the rank titles to the Entrati family

[proper barn]

Cuz Son does.

He says "im not upset i get it we had coming"

[raw stone]

Kuva Grineer.... hoo. I don't need to list Worm's parodies of Corpo-lingo in ambiance of the fortress. Nor do I need to mention that Fortuna... for all of the Solaris' lives... they just live paying off debts they can never seek to be freed on

[rotund tinsel]

Playing a quest about the night of the Naga drums and lotus whispers "no Russian"

Or whatever it was,it's been awhile since I've played cod

[proper barn]

I mean that only works if you are trying to false flag that was the whole thing.

[raw stone]

Call of... Duty? Whuh

[proper barn]

They said to not speak Russian so people thought it was the US doing that attack.

The night of Naga drums was not a false flag.

[raw stone]

Anyway. Yeah. Eleanor's little line about us swanning about in the infested hollvania? You could extrapolate that to how the tenno look dismantling so many grineer/corpus operations. We have it... relatively easier with our built-in fangs.

[rotund tinsel]

Ah that's neat (I'm a bit hazy on remembering that mission)

But yeah,I do hope we get to play as ourselves in the past during the the night Naga drums

[raw stone]

God I hope we do not play Excalibur again for the 6th time...

7th? Dunno at this point.

[proper barn]

@rotund tinsel

Just to make sure you saw this.

[rotund tinsel]

I did,I'm glad they recognised they were huge a-holes

[proper barn]

Like you know

[old dome]

???????????

[proper barn]

We also killed Teshins seemingly wife?

[proper barn]

It's part of his radiant dialog.

[rotund tinsel]

Oh yeah, that bit

[proper barn]

If you stand near him.

[old dome]

ah.

[rotund tinsel]

Although I don't remember if Teshin stated it was tenno directly,we also could've done it indirectly

[raw stone]

From his new war dialog or cave dialogs?

[old dome]

both

[proper barn]

Yes.

[proper barn]

He yells "TENNO WHY"

[raw stone]

Ah

Was she... also Dax?

[proper barn]

We don't know.

If she wasn't it would have been illegal.

[old dome]

we dont know. all we know is that her name was valeria.

[raw stone]

So many damn things we dont know...

[proper barn]

Well if she was a higher class

It would be illegal seemingly.

[celest needle]

Why is every grineer commandeer [except Kayla and Sargas] obsessed with a warframe

[bright temple]

because warframes are really strong

[proper barn]

We are like walking gods.

[celest needle]

Have they EVER succeeded 😭

[proper barn]

Also we appear do our jobs and then leave without a trace.

[raw stone]

Ik that... there's at some point... five castes. The Blue-kins. Then the lower Orokins like Margulis and Loid. Then the Dax. Lower Guardians. And then the Grineer.

Idk where the corpus fit into that. Probably the sixth between lower guardian and grineer. Idk.

[rotund tinsel]

"The queen's have sought out Warframes before" but it could mean that they did try but did not succeed

Also parvos has a warframe or a spectre atleast

[raw stone]

Bluekins are the name I'm using for the blue orokins. Considering the whole classist thing going on about marrying above or beloe your station... I think its very important that Bluekins are differentiated from Orokin. Or the... non-blue ones. Could be something else but... I don't think its just that.

[tall echo]

Marge was an archimedean, loid was just a servant

Orokin only refers to the blue ones

[celest needle]

It seems like they're just throwing paint at the wall at this point, dawg every other faction has a warframe aligned with them at some point and 3 of your commanders have been blocked by the Tenno for every warframe they try to capture

[dark compass]

Grineer are orokin remnants/waste. they're not getting one out of spite

Though weirdly enough

Saryn and Kela have some weird design similarities

[twin wigeon]

and rusulka

rusulka kinda looked like kela to me with her vest

[stiff beacon]

a bit

like i definitely see it

[sly pagoda]

I sure do wonder if Loid was getting some side action.

[misty salmon]

Would Albrecht feel differently if he did get to watch?

Do we really want to think too hard about that line just yet?

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-emoji-sad-emoji-emoji-stare-disgust-gif-405076546600269050

[humble sierra]

This seems surprisingly close

[fast dew]

You won't need to separate the non-blue orokin, as that's like. 3 of them, the queens and Albrecht, who was still blue once

[fast dew]

I don't think its this tbh

[humble sierra]

It could be "Silly Albrecht, keeping me close to his loved ones that I can easily kill because I hate him so much"

Or it's Old Man Yaoi

As far as I'm concerned there is no inbetween

[celest needle]

I mean we have no concrete pieces of knowledge about Roathe besides that one freaky line and what Reb told us

[sly pagoda]

we will have to wait a little over a week to start finding out

[solar hatch]

curious musings, but what do you guys think on how coda can escape to earth proxima, despite being spawned and seemingly contained in 1999?

[normal mountain]

Hibernation

[solar hatch]

After I did the hex and checked up the 1999 OSTs (they're incredible, holy crap DE) I FINALLY realized daughter on deimos was playing party of your lifetime in the background

[sly pagoda]

I mean the stadium is also out there so there is some shenanigans going on.