lore-discussion

[narrow pendant]

i see no issues with that

tbh "void war" arc might aswell be a placeholder name for now for the sake to not spoil were going to tau at the time

i can see them splitting them off in smaller chapters that are together the void war arc

[fast dew]

Its still very much a war, this is just the preparations

[pale cedar]

Wars are fought in battles not a singular battle

It is still the Void War arc

[fast dew]

Outside whatever Albrecht wants from tau, Tau might not even be giga important to the void war

I can see it being like. Wally showing up at the end of the new war, its only important as a way to start the next arc

[narrow pendant]

i dont see wally disappearing soon so in case of the arc being loooooong i can see them giving it chapters on their website

after the arc's progressed

[fast dew]

We're getting to a high point tbh, i think tau 2026 will be the end of it

[narrow pendant]

if so i hope the next arc finally reveals how the infestation came to be

[dark compass]

Tauron adaptation

[pale cedar]

I saw what you deleted

[dark compass]

Gives you the health gate from sentient enemies

Sentient enemies can only die after 4 hits, during which the elemental adaptation happens

a bandaid fix of gargantuan proportions

[dark compass]

Sorry, but I wanted better phrasing

[narrow pendant]

the fix to toxin status

[stoic oriole]

Hear me chat

Madurai weapon gonna be a double barrel shotgun

Just look at the symbol

[fast dew]

Please god let that happen it would be stupidly funny

[stoic oriole]

I cast GUN

[strange turtle]

https://youtu.be/t6OBk9YBLQU

[pale cedar]

Do shotguns work like that in Warframe though?

[harsh perch]

So like, what exactly is the workload separation for drifter and operator? I know you can use either in game, but it kinda seems like archon hunting and helping Khal is closer to Drifter territory

[stray mango]

Is it big time spoilers to ask how warframes come back to life? I’m thinking about it because of how guardians have immortality due to their ghosts in Destiny, and I’m wondering how warframes do it. Again if it’s not worth knowing rn I’ll see myself out

[fast dew]

The humble helminth:

[harsh perch]

It is kinda spoilers, yes. It gets explained through story I think

[pale cedar]

Drifter does 1999 stuff
Operator does Origin System stuff

[stray mango]

Alright cool.

[hollow siren]

The true nature of the Tenno and Warframes gets explained in the story

[pale cedar]

"(Who nurtures you in your times of rest? Who restores your battle-torn frame, day after day after day? Whose milk enriches your kindred flesh with endless strength and vigor? It can only be me.)"

-Helminth

[raw stone]

Actually... no. Unless it's a double barrel.

[stray mango]

Milk 🗣️

[fast dew]

I could go for some milk

[dark compass]

Helmilk

[fast dew]

I don't have any milk. Sad.

[strange turtle]

A Madurai one could

[pale cedar]

Yeah, I stole your milk for Helminth things where else do you think Helminth gets it from?

[fast dew]

You stole my oat milk? What is helminth gonna do with that? Make a latte???

[pale cedar]

A Warframe latte

[fast dew]

Wonder what beans they'd use

[stray mango]

Endo

[fast dew]

Endo feels like a liquid over a bean. That's the sugar or syrup.

[stray mango]

It was round and brown which was my sole reasoning lmao

[fast dew]

Endo is gold 😭

Which.. is a sort of brown if you look at it right

[stray mango]

I need to turn up my brightness evidently

[fast dew]

I can see how it could be brown

[stray mango]

nom nom

[fast dew]

It does look nice

It looks like cheese

I want some cheese

[hot mural]

Lore wise who is stronger Operator or Drifter

[dark compass]

Me

[pale cedar]

Physically?

[hot mural]

Overall

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dead-redemption-iam-abir82-liverpool-kick-kick-kid-gif-22437195

[pale cedar]

Operator has never physically used a weapon

[dark compass]

Operator has never used a weapon but probably has better control over void stuff

Meanwhile Drifter can handle Nataruk

Though maybe we will go back in time

And find out that actually Operator is a super op swordfighter

[hot mural]

Sun & Moon?

Oh Operator

[dark compass]

That's drifter

[hot mural]

Sorry sorry thats on me

What about the AMPs dont they count as weapons?

[pale cedar]

Drifter has more physical combat experience

Operator has used the Void powers longer so has better skill with that

[dark compass]

They're AMPlifiers for void powers

Operator just channels it because he's better at void stuff

Drifter uses it as a pistol

[pale cedar]

Even Drifters amp is a pistol channeling Void energy

[dark compass]

Yeah, but it's still a pistol

Empathizes combat discipline more

[pale cedar]

Operator can’t use it as a pistol thus Operator has never physically used a weapon just a sentient arm

[ashen pulsar]

Drifter would probably be better in a fight

[pale cedar]

Yeah

Unless it’s a Void beam fight

[hot mural]

So Drifter stronger

[pale cedar]

Physically, yes

[celest needle]

So. How the hell does the Atomicycle shoot missiles and stuff 😭

This is a commercial vehicle

[hot mural]

Made in America probably

Americans like to put that kind of thing in whatever they can

[proper barn]

Albretch modifies them.

[silk atlas]

Wasn't ours modified

Yeah

[celest needle]

How did he get REAL missiles on it

[pale cedar]

Albrecht also mocks the company who makes them in the ARG

[proper barn]

Idk

[pale cedar]

He's Orokin
He just figured it out

[fast dew]

Albrecht modified them

Where's the notes for it hold on

[hollow siren]

Same way he turned a paper printer into a mod station

[fast dew]

My personal favourites of those notes

(Benevolently)

He made a microwave into a macrowave or some shit

[hollow siren]

he's so funny like genuinely

smartest man alive is haunted by The Voices and makes a 300 step plan to stop it, doesn't reveal the plan to anyone (including himself)

[stray mango]

Cool pfp, what is it

[hollow siren]

fanart of ENA

[fast dew]

He does seem to at least care a little about the hex, enough to consider their morale

[hollow siren]

tbf that might be from a more utilitarian perspective

high morale does make soldiers more efficient

[fast dew]

Funny you say that hold on

[pale cedar]

“He's ash in seconds”

[fast dew]

They already do stuff

[celest needle]

I thought that was just some employee 😭

[fast dew]

I mean, its better to kill amir than make him wait till the nuke goes off. Amir seems to be a worrier

[fast dew]

Homedawg he mentions the void fym random employee 😭

Realistically this could also be Loid, but its more likely to be Albrecht

[hollow siren]

That also seemed more like "ok Drifter you gotta focus here stop worrying about Amir look I'll shoot him there he's dead no need to think about him anymore"

[restive river]

He infused them with void energy, missiles ain’t that hard

[pale cedar]

Nah
I think you just have your Loid Assumer ability activated

[fast dew]

It was to stop amir, but death is arbitrary when there's the loop

[fast dew]

There's just a non-zero chance, gotta mention the wife at least once

[hollow siren]

Loid has made similar comments about the POM-2

"Not as 'future-proof' as the label claimed"

[fast dew]

He's so real for this

Loid is so cool

[hollow siren]

Mad cause his gamer bf preferred the retro PC over him

[fast dew]

Nah he's just mad that Albrecht was neglecting himself to play games smh

[hollow wagon]

So is the hex an alternate universe or something? I saw someone saying something about it

Like I mean protoframed

[hollow siren]

it's just the past

[pale cedar]

Actual past

[hollow wagon]

I thought so

[dire mountain]

He's so sassy with it

[dire mountain]

Actual past. anyone claiming otherwise is very mistaken

Sorry its my pet peeve they are going against literally everything the game tells you and the word of god 😭

[hollow siren]

Fellows will skip all cutscenes and ignore all optional story sources then complain about the game not making sense

[proper barn]

He's gotten it from Loid

[stray mango]

And God said “Let there be hard lore” and there was immediate confusion

[strange turtle]

Also like, he keeps an Arthur Sword around with all the other stuff in the netracells so there was clearly something going on there

[celest needle]

I know but going by rules of time travel

[dire mountain]

Dark verse

[hollow siren]

the "rules" of time travel are whatever the writer wants

[pale cedar]

Whatever Albrecht wants

[fast dew]

He cares for them a little, i think. He just sucks at showing it, like we know he does

[twin wigeon]

did bro just cast Dark Verse on this dude

[crimson bone]

Established lore from the Zariman story already mentioned the theory that all possible time lines exist simultaneously. Hence the drifter paradox. So 1999 may be the actual past but there also exists a time line where there was no time travel and no protoframes at the same time. So it both is and isn't an alternate time line

[restive river]

Due to the palimpsest of spacetime we do know that events can be rewritten as well with remnants of the original existing
So no, 1999 just is the actual past

Yes that other reality could exist with Albrecht never going there and the protoframes never occurring but that also doesn’t change that much anyway

Most of the changes we make don’t matter that much in the long run of history, but now that we’re here and the loop must be maintained we do make sure certain events play out

A good, and smaller example of the palimpsest would be the lua spy missions
We go into the past, change something small and we go back to our present with that thing rewritten to be how we changed it

I want to say Warframe’s timelines both can all exist but individual timelines can also be rewritten, which doesn’t spawn a new reality
The side effect being remnants of the original still persist

[crimson bone]

If I were not at work I'd do an illustrative example, but there has to be an origin time line to prevent a boot strap anomaly. That origin time line can't be erased, it just isn't readily accessible to those in the new time line any more

[restive river]

There are no instances for a bootstrap paradox

I don’t think there’s any word of there being a one true timeline, but we know others do constantly exist AND we can rewrite events within our own, and have

Both in and outside the void actually

[crimson bone]

Not exactly rewrite, that's the misconception. Instead alterations create new time lines that align with the changes, original unaltered events do still continue. This was touched on in new war and davuri paradox

[restive river]

No, literally rewrite
The alterations also do not always make new timelines as we see with 1999

I would argue Flare shows us an instance of things being rewritten without it making an alternate timeline

Also again, Lua Spy missions show the palimpsest of spacetime
We go into the past, make an alteration, return to our timeline with that change made

[crimson bone]

Yes, if you travel back to the future after making a change in the past, of course you are defaulted into the new altered time line

[restive river]

Drifter wasn’t a product of time travel either, just Wally deciding to or to nor save us

[crimson bone]

That still doesn't erase the original time line

[restive river]

The way the palimpsest words it it’s that we literally are rewriting that history with remnants of the original existing

[restive river]

There is no erasure?

[crimson bone]

Correct. The original still is there. Just inaccessible to you

[restive river]

The remnants still existing implies what happened still happened

[restive river]

I’m saying the original is written over

That’s why remnants still exist, because it was that timeline and now it’s been changed
It’s still the same timeline

[crimson bone]

The original cannot be written over, but from your point of view it may as well have

[restive river]

We have never hopped timelines in Warframe, the closest we technically get is Drifter who was in the void when it happened

[restive river]

But it is being written over

[strange plinth]

drifter changes something in 1999 and travels to the future, whatever effects there are remain, but operator wouldn't jump to the new timeline with them, so there'd be nothing changed there
one timeline with rewritten events

[restive river]

We make the Coda in the past and they trace our void saturated DNA to the present, they take the long way to get to us
It’s the same timeline, but we’re writing the Coda into existence

[south nimbus]

What if time isn’t a line and instead a massive spinning top and this spinning top always repeats itself until eventually at some some point it runs out of energy to spin and then a higher being picks it up and spins it again

[strange plinth]

what

[south nimbus]

Or smth idk im just a Caliban main

[restive river]

What 😭

[woven coyote]

I'm guessing poor timing and execution on a joke

[stiff beacon]

also the infestation/techrot hivemind have a memory that apparently isnt beholdent to time

so theres that to

[restive river]

Yeah there’s that too

[hidden cove]

Lmao this u?

Considering it happened in September 2001, that's a year and nine months after the end of 1999. But when 1999 ends, Techrot goes global and people start using nukes to exterminate it in the 'Radiation Wars' of which there were 18 I think?

So most likely it didn't happen

Or if it did... well they have bigger shit to worry about

[north jolt]

Or it did happen, but Techrot was behind it somehow for some reason in which case, yeah bigger shit to worry about still anyways

[restive river]

it depends on how soon the techrot got to the USL and also if Warframe's history is more 1:1

[proper barn]

also i don't think this is a useful conversation.

or line of thought i should say.

[restive river]

yeah lets get back to wf lore

[lean garden]

I wouldnt say thats accurate to what the classroom in tnw was getting at. What it did say was that a decided action might have different outcomes, and these outcomes would split off. We subsequently see this is demonstrated live with the split between operator and drifter.

What isnt covered in that lesson is if someone goes back and changes something back in the timeline.

But it is covered in the Palimpsest of Spacetime:

2. What is the core thesis of The Palimpsest of Spacetime?

A. Events can be rewritten; traces of the original persist (correct)

B. Everything that exists could, at any point, be erased

[waxen mesa]

So is The Indifference like, full on villain now? I know they were never really a good guy but are they now full on hostile to the Operator and Drifter?

[restive river]

They’re certainly not our biggest fan

They are the primary antagonist of the arc though

Operator is scared of him so
And Drifter’s helpin out

[waxen mesa]

dialogue from that one quest certainly doesn't paint our relationship as purely friendly.

"You mad at me Kiddo? Don't forget, you owe me."

[celest needle]

He's a manipulative and sadistic entity

[strange plinth]

he was fairly neutral for a while
whispers gave him a reason to dislike the operator, with him adding the page to the deal and the operator directly defying him
the hex gave him a reason to dislike the drifter, as they took his city away (and then he throws a fit in isleweaver about it)

[celest needle]

He had a funny idea to give a ship full of kids void powers and their parents a yearning thirst for their blood

[humble sierra]

It's more against the Orokin and Albrecht than it is us, but since it's a potentially dangerous adversary we we're still trying to stop it

[waxen mesa]

I have to imagine The Indifference is not someone who takes kindly to people who break deals

Operator is a deal breaker, more then once depending on your actions

[humble sierra]

Right now the deal is super duper vague

All we offered was "Our Light"

And in exchange the MITW will save the children— "I can save them. All of them"

[stiff fable]

It's worth pointing out that all the "help" he gives the Operator pre-New War ends with Ballas punching a hole in the fabric of spacetime that lets Wally in.

[humble sierra]

And conveniently before the events of the game, we wiped out most of the Orokin with our powers. Y'know, the same Orokin who Wally is accusing of torturing him.

[strange plinth]

my biggest issue with killing the orokin being part of the deal is that i can't find a way to warp the meaning of "my light" into the orokin that makes sense
its possible, just not sure about it

[eager briar]

Is the big sleep night of naga drums to awakening or night of naga drums to second dream

[strange plinth]

shortly after the night of naga drums to awakening is the time we were asleep/dormant for
tsd is sorta waking up.. again

[humble sierra]

The "Dream" is Awakening to TSD

[waxen mesa]

maybe our light just meant we gave Wally our limited edition Ballas flashlight

[strange plinth]

unfortunately no, as its still on the ground when we get to the zariman
though we did mean the globelight, he meant something else

[eager briar]

I beg you’re finest pardon with full immunity

Oh flashlight

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[restive river]

Iirc it just got his attention, he didnt need to be let in

[humble sierra]

From a writing standpoint I think it's better if Ballas' actions tore a hole open for him to fully step through

[restive river]

I think it’s more about Albrecht accidentally mutilating him and the Orokin using his power without his permission

[restive river]

He doesn’t need to though is my point

[humble sierra]

Yeah he's clearly able to leak through regardless

[restive river]

Ah wait I found it

“This has attracted the attention of THE INDIFFERENCE, whose freedom of action appears to have drastically increased.”

It got his attention and likely to the hole being as big as it was it lead to him gaining more freedom/influence

The Murmur for example, iirc they already existed in the labs but things got much worse by the time of Whispers which is a bit after The New War

This reminds me
We still don’t know what was up with the sun spot teaser for tennocon?
It may have just been teasing Tau cause it likely exists due to what Ballas did which was make a portal to Tau but I don’t think we’ve seen or heard about it since?

[stiff fable]

I don't think it's directly related to Old Peace if that's what you mean

But I've been thinking for a while that Narmer having a dedicated Praghasa node near Sol makes a TON of sense

but nothing we've seen of OP or TAU signals that

[restive river]

Then why show it for the tennocon about that :p

[restive river]

It does

The hard part for us would be getting there again

I can absolutely see a gamemode about stopping them from even trying to restart the portal somehow, maybe it’s not possible but it could be dangerous

Both cause it’d need to eat more sun and cause a giant void hole next to the sun just seems bad

[stiff fable]

depends on what Pazuul's up to

[restive river]

It does yes

[stiff fable]

he might be trying to build a solar rail directly into her

god, "solar" rail

[restive river]

I think that sun spot was just trying to make us think Tau, but it is still odd we haven’t seen it since

[restive river]

Might be easier than rebuilding the pluto one

[celest needle]

Narmer suddenly having the urge to build a solar rail into the sun

Honestly I see the Tau arc being about Erra and whatever is introduced in the old peace

Probably wally getting into Tau through our memories in his attempt to follow Albrecht

And we have to follow him there to prevent him from doing whatever it is

[silk atlas]

If they don't use Narmer as the segway to Tau I'm going to be royally miffed

[humble sierra]

Yeah if they don't mention Narmer they really dropped the ball there

[silk atlas]

Optionally also third orb but that's less important

[celest needle]

• Pazuul finally using whatever he was collecting to build a solar rail
• Albrecht screws off to Tau to escape the Indifference
• Wally uses our memories to get into Tau
• We finally found out why Tau has been dead

Royal Clustermuck

[restive river]

How would Wally get to Tau through our memories

Also it’s more so Tau is radio silent, we have zero idea how they’re doing over there

[celest needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068639836388458496/1252990706700521614/3x_10-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

I don't know

But they can come up with something

[dark compass]

rent free

[celest needle]

He just needs a way to get to Tau

[humble sierra]

Shit, I just realized there's no ARG yet

I'm pretty sure 1999's one started by this point last year

[stiff beacon]

Yeah

I mean they don't do them that often

Like the last one before 1999 was angels of the zariman

[humble sierra]

Didn't Whispers have that one Operator Report thing? Wasn't that hidden?

[dark compass]

maybe theyll do something like that for an enigmatic tau story

[restive river]

Not really an arg tho, its just a thing in game

[celest needle]

3x the questions

[stiff fable]

you could access the Operator report out of the game via a mockup of the POM-II system

and they made new files available every few days

but it wasn't really an ARG

[humble sierra]

Ah

I thought there was something to unlock it and stuff

[cosmic badge]

It would be really cool if we just enter tau for the first time and its just a horror mission similar to how chains of harrow was or with how 343 guilty spark was

[dark compass]

Sentient tileset would be lovely

[stiff fable]

It'll probably be PTSD stuff

If you look at the TAU key art the Tauron Academy is crashed in the background

[dark compass]

Murex is one thing, I wanna see how their architecture looks

[celest needle]

Oh Sol
is that Adis's face

[stiff fable]

Yup

If it helps it's a mask and he takes it off when you merk the Sentient he's trying to save

[celest needle]

Oh right
but still does NOT give good tidings

But hmmm
what can we gleam from this

[stiff fable]

The flowers are dead

Notable because Adis seemed to suck it up as an energy snack at one point

I love that DE understood where we were going to go with this

"I will never forget the man who gave his life for us. The man whose sacrifice showed us the way. We honour his name. Veko."

[fast dew]

I don't think he's going to tau to escape the indifference, i think he has something stashed there

[stiff beacon]

his stash of perks

[fast dew]

I had someone try to tell me the area we're fighting on isn't a moon, so like. This is funny bcs thats a planet right there. We're in orbit of a planet. Its a moon.

[strange plinth]

don't they refer to it as a moon.. directly? in the devstream?

[stiff fable]

Yes

[fast dew]

Yeah but i aint doing the "devstream said it"

Cbf to go scrubbing through that long video 😭

[stiff fable]

But "Warframes players can't read and some can't listen either"

[strange plinth]

eh, at least it'd only be one devstream to search through instead of 'literally any of them lol go find it'

[stiff beacon]

thats literally half of the blueberries

[celest needle]

DE mucking mocking us with Khora prime 😭

[fast dew]

I genuinely hate folk who say "devstream said it/steve said it" and its like. Im gonna make you eat a shoe if you continue using the old director's words.

[stiff fable]

I mean it's not like he's totally uninvolved in WF anymore

Just like 99.9999999999999999999% uninvolved

[fast dew]

Yeah, but as a whole we shouldn't take his word as god

[celest needle]

I mean **CLOSE ** to god

[stiff fable]

With the last bit being Ambassador buffs that may or may not happen

[fast dew]

Tbf you shouldn't take what the devs say as god anyways

They always can mess up their own lore

[strange plinth]

didn't ambassador get nerfed and buffed the update after he said that?

[stiff fable]

Oh so it was

I sold mine four years ago so I never noticed

[stiff beacon]

ive never used it

outside of duviri

[fast dew]

It was in response of me asking why they think Loid used Kuva for whatever reason. They were deadset on thinking that the orokin empire existed only after the void incident

[stiff fable]

It's aggressively mid

[stiff beacon]

wtf

[stiff fable]

? Albrecht's own notes prove that's not true

[restive river]

It did

[stiff fable]

He's studying void stuff because the Orokin are in charge forever and he wants it to be EXTRA forever

[strange plinth]

i've not used ambassador because getting the main bp to drop is Hell

[fast dew]

No see Albrecht's writing it after centuries not him saying that he haven't heard that name in centuries/s

[stiff fable]

😒

[dark compass]

I have a sense of deja vu

[stiff fable]

Anyway I had like three ambassador BPs

Gave one to clan leader who helped me a bunch, sold one, crafted the last

[fast dew]

Ignoring that Loid was there for Euleria's childhood, so it couldn't be multiple centuries. But thats when kuva comes in apparently.

[fast dew]

Ive complained about this one mf a lot.

[celest needle]

"Ah yes how could I forget my [PLOT DEVICE] Tenno that I carefully stashed in Tau"

[stiff fable]

It's weird how that's canon

[stiff beacon]

"my stash of the best kusch"

[fast dew]

He honestly would

[stiff fable]

Apparently Albrecht did explain how Wally actually works to Thrax and the Drifter

[fast dew]

Albrecht does drugs™

[stiff fable]

"Remember what the scholar told us!"

[fast dew]

Yeah, Albrecht made himself a teacher in duviri

[dark compass]

Albrecht returns the finger and the finger was laced

[humble sierra]

The theory is that the Finger's on Tau

[fast dew]

Nah

[stiff beacon]

"the best kusch grows in the blood of enemies"

[fast dew]

Does this look like a fella who does weed? Yeah kinda

[stiff beacon]

man was dealin to fund his research

[dark compass]

He looks like he has whole bags in that coat

[stiff fable]

He looks like a dealer smart enough to not get high on his own supply

.....who totally did

[fast dew]

Yall all agreed that he was a dealer 😭

[stiff beacon]

its the drip

its too powerful

[stiff fable]

It's also in the codex that he brainstormed a bunch of his anti-Wally plans while high as a kite

[fast dew]

I mean, he does do nestawood w Loid so him doing weed aint abnormal

[stiff fable]

which really explains everything

[celest needle]

"Tenno, cough cough you need to pay me, 5M Credits , cough cough its to stop the indifference"

[dark compass]

The necraweed

Bags covered in obols

[fast dew]

I wonder what nestawood looks like. Its a root, so its likely that its a pale colour

But is it thin or thick..

[celest needle]

I'm betting like, probably something really light

[fast dew]

It also does seem to be an hallucinogen

[stiff beacon]

its just like a pale blue maple leaf

probably

[fast dew]

And loid chewed too much and got sick as shit

Relationship goals

[stiff beacon]

ok that shit sounds like a hybrid of tobacco and wormwood

[stiff fable]

prob

[fast dew]

I like to think that its like. As thick as ginger or something

[stiff fable]

i mean you probably have to process it somehow

[fast dew]

Its both smoked and chewed, which reminds me of tobacco

[fast dew]

Maybe like. Dehydrated to hell or nah?

[stiff beacon]

wormwood is a hallucinogen

btw

[fast dew]

Bcs it would need to be dry to light up, right?

[stiff beacon]

also sometimes an ingredient in a certain type of alchohol

[humble sierra]

Doktor Friday totally sounds like a dealer name tbh

[celest needle]

He gave people free Nestawood with injections

[fast dew]

Looking at it, its more from a mistaken symptom over it being a legitimate hallucinogen, from like. The 19th century or something 😭

[dark compass]

"Close enough, hit me"

[fast dew]

Apparently you'd need to eat a whole plant for it to work lol

Thujorn has those effects in high dosages but it isn't considered one

[hot mural]

Kinda dumb but is Hunhow still bad even after what he said at the end of Jades quest

[fast dew]

He's softened

He's resigned himself to what he is

[hot mural]

What is that?

[humble sierra]

The Great and Terrible Hunhow

[glacial bough]

Hunhow won't ever like us, he's just accepted current events

[humble sierra]

He's let go of his hatred for us because he loves Natah, but he still doesn't love us

[fast dew]

He won't hurt us because his daughter loves us

[hot mural]

What about the Drifter he hates him too or is neutral to both versions of the Tenno

[humble sierra]

Probably, but he was willing to work with Drifter in New War to save Natah

And as far as he knew, Drifter was the Operator

[stiff beacon]

i mean he aint wrong

[narrow pendant]

drifter was the same person as the operator but their timelines split before they became either drifter or operator

if hunhow is aware of their different histories he could get along with drifter tbh

[pale cedar]

Unless you’re a Void entity or know Operator is still a child like Lotus does

You’ll just read them as the exact same person

[fast dew]

I mean

[narrow pendant]

if hunhow understands drifter never became a childsoldier used against the sentients hed prob be chill with them

thats the main reason i feel is why he dislikes the operator

[fast dew]

I think its funny that everyone in the new war just assumed children grow up that fast

Yes this is a tenno. Physically a child.

Why is it a middle aged man.

[narrow pendant]

i dont think its stated how long narmer ruled? unless i forgor

[fast dew]

I mean, that kid in cetus didn't grow up much

[narrow pendant]

isnt drifter canonically like early 20s?

[strange plinth]

the narmer timeskip is strange

[pale cedar]

What’s weirder is Stalker saw an adult like a month ago then saw a child again

[narrow pendant]

id assume its at least been months

[fast dew]

Uhh i don't think so? And what kinda early 20s people you know that look that old 😭 like my drifter has wrinkles i cannot count on both hands

[fast dew]

Stalker honestly couldn't care less i feel 😭

[strange plinth]

the lower limit is like 2 months and the upper is a few years at least
aging is already weird in the origin system so we can't exactly use other characters as reference

[fast dew]

Tenno is tenno

[fast dew]

This is true

Oop mb sorry for tha ping

Typed too fast to turn it off 💔

[strange plinth]

all good lol

[pale cedar]

We ping each other all the time here

[fast dew]

I go under the assumption that if you don't ping me, you probably won't want me pinging you, so ofc i will ping you if you ping me 😭

[pale cedar]

I ping you

I revived Ballas and found Albrecht

[fast dew]

Ugly goober. "Hello peter" lookin mf 💔

[fast dew]

Im just gonna explode you. Kill em both.

Maybe just burn Albrecht really bad. Loid still deserves him. Unfortunately.

[strange plinth]

fair, i don't mind pings, i just go off of like. chat activity n how long since the message i'm replying to was sent

[pale cedar]

My pages are fragile y’know

[fast dew]

good choice, if im replying to the same person but multiple messages ill only ping once too

[pale cedar]

I am a book

[fast dew]

Yeah a void book that can withstand me throwing whatever jade has at you 😭

And manifests itself as my warframe and me

Bcs Albrecht be writing angsty shit in em

[pale cedar]

Well I am called Nemesis

[narrow pendant]

im just gonna assume that drifter has obviously been like, hundrets or thousands of years in duviri not even counting in possible temporal differences inside the void. He didnt physically age much, and its our choice to make him look as old or young

[fast dew]

Oh like. Nemesis prime. Transformers reference..

[fast dew]

Can't physically age much when they day itself is reset

They got to a point where they were an adult, and thrax began to loop the days

[narrow pendant]

well they do remember so ig the brain isnt reset? idk that part always confused me

[pale cedar]

Can a person even age in 1999
I wouldn’t know as books don’t age

[fast dew]

Unlikely, and yes books age

The smell of old books are them aging

[strange plinth]

yea, most likely thing is drifter aged until they wanted to leave, then the execution loops started
don't remember if that's outright confirmed anywhere

[narrow pendant]

their age is reset and whatever died during the year is alive again

[fast dew]

Probably one of the kimchats? Weird suspicion it could be amir or Eleanor's for some reason

[pale cedar]

Damn
All those birthday messages were pointless

[fast dew]

Yeah

They're pointless outside chemistry

[narrow pendant]

they do remember a few past loops, but at some point they start to forget old loops

[fast dew]

Its dependent on the drifter iirc

[pale cedar]

Drifter makes them forget

[fast dew]

They can choose for them to forget. Pretty horrifying overall

[strange plinth]

one of kaya's birthday convos says something about her being the same age forever now

[pale cedar]

Kaya the 1000 year old 19 year old

[fast dew]

Shh those people will come out of the woodwork complaining about why they can't date a 19 year old

"Well erm achtually she's over 100 years old" erm achtually i have a nuclear missile that's aimed at your car.

[pale cedar]

It’s not that they can’t
It’s that she doesn’t want them

[fast dew]

Kaya doesn't want relationships in general, and i respect that. Girl has boundaries

[pale cedar]

If you dated Flare would you really be dating Lizzie or Flare

[fast dew]

Both.

Both idc.

[pale cedar]

That sounds like a Polycouple

[fast dew]

Yeag

Lizzie might eat me tho

Wake up
Guitar is eating me
Go back to sleep

[pale cedar]

Imagine dating Flare and Lizzie then also dating a XX99 Proto

[fast dew]

God..

My queer ass couldn't deal with that

I can barely handle my own partner let alone 2 more

[hollow siren]

The triad should all be dating eachother ngl

cause like, they're called The Devil's Triad

[fast dew]

Marie and lyon see each other as siblings

[hollow siren]

it's a little on-the-nose

[fast dew]

And a orokin dating a lower caste? Bad idea.

We have a few cases as to why thats bad

[hollow siren]

That's what an Orokin would say

[pale cedar]

Wisp shouldn’t be allowed to date at all

She’s a nun

[fast dew]

Dawg we have Dagath, Loid and Margulis, and thats just the ones we know

[tall echo]

[fast dew]

No its not Christianity or Catholicism nooo clearly its not based on it./s

[hollow siren]

She a sister of sol and lua, who's to say their religion has an oath of celibacy

[fast dew]

While this is viktor's whole thing, they still have a aspect of purity. Similar to the orokin, weirdly

[hollow siren]

Viktor is 100% a repressed sado-masochist

[tall echo]

I mildly despise just the fact that they picked wisp

[hollow siren]

same

[fast dew]

Equinox would've been better.

[hollow siren]

Equinox was the perfect pick imo.

[pale cedar]

I honestly expected Wisp so don’t care

[fast dew]

I just never saw her as a nun

[tall echo]

It's only wisp bc of the "popularity"

[hollow siren]

I'm quite certain they only chose Wisp cause she's popular

[fast dew]

I wanted to be a nun once

[pale cedar]

They only did wisp because Sun and popular tbh

[fast dew]

You uh. Can probably see why that didn't work out

[tall echo]

I'm not quite as bothered as others by the nun aspect but it's still iffy to me

[hollow siren]

and even then Equinox would fit better as Sol and Lua

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[hollow siren]

even the name is perfect

[fast dew]

But no. Gotta have wisp bcs haha ass

[pale cedar]

Equinox is better
Wisp is just more popular

[fast dew]

Im tired boss.

[hollow siren]

meanwhile the Will o' the Wisp is a pagan myth not tied to christianity, so her being a very catholic-esque nun just feels off

[fast dew]

RIGHT

IT COULD'VE VEEN PEAK IF THEY JUST

Leaned into it 😭

[hollow siren]

like I know ireland is catholic nowadays but

the Will o' the Wisp pre-dates that

[fast dew]

Its bloody ireland. Screw it.

[humble sierra]

Tbf the Warframes and Protoframes don't need to have any correlation

Nothing about Nyx really screams journalist besides the concept of getting into your head

[fast dew]

Yeah

[hollow siren]

Yeah, but this is like if they had made Lyon's frame mutation be like Baruuk instead of Harrow, yet still given him the priest role

[fast dew]

Thats the connection, she's a war journalist 😭

[pale cedar]

She was a war journalist
Now she’s a soldier fighting a war that never ends

[humble sierra]

A set of Monk Protoframes would be pretty cool. Equinox, Baruuk, someone else

[fast dew]

She might be tired nemesis

[pale cedar]

Warframes can’t get tired

Well Arthur can

[hollow siren]

Protoframes can

[pale cedar]

She only really lies down because she’s more pronounced rather than actually being tired in the moment

[fast dew]

She got that chronic eepyness

[hollow siren]

if Marie was Equinox they could've given her Vitiligo too

[potent finch]

I just finished the new war for the first time is the story worth continuing

[hollow siren]

I mean, yeah?

[fast dew]

Would've been peak if DE weren't cowards/s

[ocean geyser]

Why wouldn’t it be lmao

[celest needle]

Cause the new war is like

The height of the main story

[pale cedar]

And there is a Void War arc building up rn

[potent finch]

It was such a long mission and it wasn't really with it

It was good don't get me long was just painful to get through

[dark compass]

It's worth to play the story further solely for the new content being unlocked

[celest needle]

Future quests are much shorter

[hollow siren]

yeah TNW is by far the longest quest in the game still

[celest needle]

The longest one in the void war (The Hex) is just around 1-2 hours long to complete

[hollow siren]

we'll see if Tau 2026 is of similar length

[fast dew]

It is an outlier for sure

[celest needle]

Angels I did in 30 minutes

[potent finch]

That's good then because I don't think I can sit through something like that again

[celest needle]

12 hour quest

[fast dew]

I just wanna see Loid again

[hollow siren]

well you will somewhat soon

[fast dew]

Birthday or Christmas gift. Can't wait

[pale cedar]

I just wanted Old Peace to have a Peaceframe

[tall echo]

Baruuk

[pale cedar]

I also realised this becomes the 2nd quest in a row that forces Excal use initially if not for the full thing

They might let us use the others we saw too in the quest though

[hollow siren]

Maybe each one is tied to a Focus school, tho there were six frames so that leaves one vacant

Caliban Prime could be the outlier then if so

[humble sierra]

The New War was basically a conclusion to 3 story arcs, and around 7 years of content

[stiff beacon]

Plus made during the pandemic

So it was bound to be metric ton longer

[fast dew]

People shrimply had more time

[rose estuary]

Caliban prime could be tauron idk

(Ik tauron isn’t a separate focus school though)

[strange turtle]

My goat

[fast dew]

Boundaries are so awesome i like Boundaries

[strange turtle]

I just realised. Wisp Proto. A nun. Eleanor said that nuns were a Lua thing.

The Sun laser frame is given to the moon woman

[fast dew]

Brilliant. Absolutely... Brilliant.

[leaden thicket]

there is more then one tenno rn in warfrane story line right?

[dark compass]

Yeah

There's a bunch of Tenno running around, that's how coop works

But we are the chosen operator

Everyone, somewhere, also is

[leaden thicket]

soo did all other tenno died in new war quest?

[strange plinth]

"you can't kill the devil, tenno, but you can send it back to hell"
prolly not. just went into hiding. maybe lost their powers too because the one that made the deal disappeared
big maybe there though

[opaque zenith]

I like to headcanon Ballas managing a line of tenno being stabed in sequence

[dark compass]

The whole scene happens, we vanish into the void

Camera pans to Ballas
"Bring the next one"

[opaque zenith]

Ie: that Kazuya Mishima Smash Bros trailer

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/kazuya-kazuya-mishima-smash-bros-super-smash-brothers-tekken-gif-21973187

[leaden thicket]

i remeber when that happen i got disconted and for second i thought the story ended a

[restive river]

Iirc she says something about Sol specifically?

I know Lyon has a Sol belt

[fast dew]

Ordained something of sol and the carrier of the holy fire. I think?

Nah it was lua

[pale cedar]

I think it is Ordained of Sol sworn to Lua and bearer of the holy fire

[eager briar]

Cetus needs something new

[pale cedar]

It got something new

[eager briar]

Necralisk got the sanctum, fortuna got the under mind but what did Cetus get

[pale cedar]

Sayas visions

[eager briar]

Ig

[pale cedar]

It’s something new

[eager briar]

But it’s like a solitary mission

Well, so is isleweaver now that I think about it

[pale cedar]

You said something new
Smaller content to a place is still new

[eager briar]

True

[waxen mesa]

who was killed during the pluto terminus debacle? I know the Orokin were the target but ultimately the known survivors seem to outweigh the known victims

[pale cedar]

The Orokin were killed

Dax also went with them for the most part

[waxen mesa]

thats what i mean though

I think 5 of the 7 executors survived

i mean some of them didn't survive for all that long but still

so were most of the causalities the soldiers defending the orokin?

or was it really just the lower rung of the orokin that died

[pale cedar]

Tuvul Avantus and Karrish were killed

Dax guarding them were

That’s all we can really know died

[fast dew]

Theres... 1 unknown executor iirc

[pale cedar]

2

We know 5

[waxen mesa]

Karrish survived the collapse

[fast dew]

Ohh mb

[waxen mesa]

briefly, but he survived

[fast dew]

He still dead as shit

[pale cedar]

Any that got away got killed after running

[waxen mesa]

i mean yeah but I think this whole killing the Orokin could have been a bit better planned given the tenno couldn't even get half of the executors

[fast dew]

The executors aren't easy to kill

Nihil aint even dead

[pale cedar]

Ballas planned the whole thing

[fast dew]

Ballas honestly probably wanted the rest dead so he could play into the "woe pity me the only orokin left, mutilated and abandoned"

[pale cedar]

Outside of the outliers most Orokin who got away eventually got killed

[fast dew]

And then there's the entrati family and they're like. Hi we chill right? Ight

[pale cedar]

The shared issue distracted us

[waxen mesa]

TBF the Entratis are probably the lesser evils of the orokin

[fast dew]

If we ignore that we killed Son's fiance

[fast dew]

They are pretty shitty people, just for other reasons

[pale cedar]

She probably wasn’t Orokin yet

[fast dew]

Yeah probably, of all families, a entrati family member would be the ones to marry a lower cast/j

[pale cedar]

Entrati are the black sheep of the Orokin

[fast dew]

Yeah as a whole we probably shouldn't take their behaviour as normal orokin behaviour

[tall echo]

Did he?

[waxen mesa]

briefly

[fast dew]

The inital one, but still died from it

[waxen mesa]

he was hunted down by Gauss and Grendel

[fast dew]

The dynamic fatass skinny boy duo

Peak cinema

[waxen mesa]

i think it was during the whole Saint of Altra thing? unsure

[tall echo]

Just grendel

[waxen mesa]

ah

[tall echo]

Grendel rolled up, ate him, and rolled down

And spammed nourish along the way back

[pale cedar]

Any that got away died except Ballas, Nihil, Entrati Family and Queens

[tall echo]

It's great that they allow grendel to use other abilities in ball form

..hm

[pale cedar]

We also don’t even know what happened to 2 of them but dead is a safe assumption

[tall echo]

I hope one of them got decompressed by a ship cephalon

Is that the word...

Compressed would be fine too

[stiff beacon]

Nah gauss was at like the city limits

[tall echo]

Gauss was elsewhere but showed up for a bit

[strange turtle]

Nah Lorists and the Queens are the black sheep, the Entrati are like, goats

[fast dew]

They do remind me of goats actually

Sheep imply innocence

And they arent that

Or like. Hares.

[pale cedar]

Black sheep doesn’t imply innocence though

[fast dew]

Black wool is a genetic variation thats shunned for its uselessness, but its still a form of innocence as its not a conscious choice

So i can i see how the queens align to it

[lunar flume]

So Rell was the first child to see the indifference?

[hollow siren]

Well we did see it before him

and Albrecht before us

[lunar flume]

Before 1999

And Deimos

[hollow siren]

Albrecht met it during his Void experiments, which resulted in the Relic and thus the invention of all Void Tech.
We met it aboard the Zariman when we made The Deal.
Rell saw it later on after the Zariman had been recovered.

[lunar flume]

That’s where I’m kinda curious. Was there more than 1 zariman ship or was 10-0 the first and only ship?

[hollow siren]

only one Zariman

[lunar flume]

Ah got it

[pale cedar]

There were the Zariman 1-9 which were all unmanned

[eager briar]

I just realized is variza a girl kisser

[hollow siren]

She talks about both Maroo and Teshin

[lunar flume]

Ahh got it

[pale cedar]

The Zariman 10-0 as a ship is also all parked on each other or on each other something like that

We only access the one

[lunar flume]

So.. Rell/Harrows purpose was to basically hold back the indifference Before we came along?

[pale cedar]

Rell chose to do that willingly, yes

[hollow siren]

That's the purpose he took onto himself, yes. It's not like he was appointed that by someone

Rell realized and understood what The Indifference was, and decided he had to keep it sealed from Reality if he could

so he permanently Transferred into Harrow and took his vigil

[fast dew]

Yeah, just now?

[lunar flume]

Damn

[fast dew]

Rell is a sad character

[lunar flume]

Respect to the true MVP for holding back Wally for so long

And lotus keeps saying margulis was a mother to Tenno, mf you kicked a child out because he was hit with the tism

[fast dew]

I feel maternal for him and its strange. Why do i feel the incessant need to adopt the mentally ill children of the origin system (+ duviri)

[tall echo]

Tbf he straight up blinded her

[hollow siren]

Well it's theorized Rell may have been the one to accidentally blind Margulis

[lunar flume]

Fair

[fast dew]

While it is pretty shitty, it is better for him to have more specialised care than someone who couldn't properly do so

[hollow siren]

sadly Rell's actual mom wasn't around anymore for obvious reasons

[lunar flume]

No wonder I find myself liking the red veil syndicate more than the others

[fast dew]

Neglected autism or supported autism. I'll take the support methinks

[fast dew]

I don't like any but suda

[tall echo]

Haha red veil sucks.

[lunar flume]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I like em

[tall echo]

They were founded by rell but that's all they got left connecting to him now

They're just a bunch of murderers

[hollow siren]

moreso they founded themselves around Rell tbf

[lunar flume]

Rest in peace rell. Gone but not forgotten

[fast dew]

Someone introduce Rell to Thrax

I think that might be a good thing

[lunar flume]

Skeptical

[tall echo]

Kinda very forgotten by all but palladium

[fast dew]

I mean, thrax ultimately wants a friend, what better than another child that won't age?

[tall echo]

Y

[fast dew]

The other being Thrax himself

[lunar flume]

Red

[fast dew]

I feel bad for him

[tall echo]

Edgy

[lunar flume]

Look at my profile lol

[tall echo]

Purple

[lunar flume]

Ye

[hollow siren]

it's purple with no further info suggesting an affinity for edge

[fast dew]

Ourple furry

[eager dragon]

Cephalon Suda best

[lunar flume]

Ty lol

[fast dew]

Purple is pretty edgy, just not normie edgy

[tall echo]

Purple is ROYAL

[fast dew]

Purple is great i love purple

[lunar flume]

Purple + gold

[eager dragon]

Finally, someone who understands this!

[fast dew]

I have ourple hair

[fast dew]

REAL

[tall echo]

It's a historic fact

[fast dew]

Ow my piercing hurt

[lunar flume]

You either have a lot of gold and purple accent or vice versa

[eager dragon]

I color all my frames purple, black and gold, lol (very original, I know)

[lunar flume]

What piercing?

[fast dew]

Lotta ourple w gold...

[fast dew]

Daith lol, an odd one

[waxen mesa]

Am I over thinking the jade shadow choice?

Feels like Orion is stalker continuing to embrace his old mindset while Sirrius is accepting a new post orokin life

[tall echo]

Yes

[lunar flume]

Same and I make their energy a purple/reddish orange gradient

[lunar flume]

Ah noice

Get an industrial lol

[tall echo]

I use random colors unless I want a specific vibe

[eager dragon]

I change the emissive channel depending on the frame.

[fast dew]

I can't! I don't have the anatomy lol

[eager dragon]

Everything else is pretty much the same between, to be honest.

[lunar flume]

Hol up when I get home imma show u my harrow fashion

[fast dew]

Thats what i was gonna get initially when i got my daith

[lunar flume]

I barely had the anatomy lol

[tall echo]

My harrow is gold, purple, red and white

I went like full royalty on him

[lunar flume]

Mine is kinda like a blackish brown, bronze, and orange/purple

[lunar flume]

Love it

[tall echo]

I'm too lazy(depressed) to get a pic

[lunar flume]

I’m not home rn lol

[eager dragon]

I also have an alt-fashion:

[tall echo]

Seems familiar

[lunar flume]

I made my priest look like a demon lol

Or semi demon

[eager dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/gabriel-ultrakill-gif-26684015

[lunar flume]

I use that helmet with his demon looking skin with the prime look toggled on

[tall echo]

Great lore

[lunar flume]

10/10 lore

[eager dragon]

Sounds cool, can't wait to see it. I don't have the skin to mix, lol.

[tall echo]

When scrap exists the channel goes off topic

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/reload-shotgun-dale-gribble-rusty-shackleford-king-of-the-hill-gif-1605028683175638604

[lunar flume]

That a bad thing?

Our glorious autism child deserves the best fashion

[strange turtle]

Think of it as the different names they wanted for the kid

[eager dragon]

My favorite fashion is probably my Grendel, just because I think the conquera ephemera fits really well on him.

[pale cedar]

I’m a time traveler here to tell you Old Peace involves a School fire

[lunar flume]

Yay arson

[pseudo oar]

I dont wan peace

[pale cedar]

It’s you that started the fire isn’t it?

[pseudo oar]

Nuh uh

The source? Just trust me bro

[hot mural]

Hey anyone here?

[fast dew]

Hm?

[hot mural]

I have a question about Jades quest

[fast dew]

Go ahead, thats what this chat is for

[hot mural]

The Baby frame would be considered a pure Warframe? Or was the embryo contaminated aswell

I’m saying this since

[fast dew]

Depends on what you mean by pure lol

[hot mural]

Hold on

Let me explain to what I understand

[fast dew]

I don't even know if that baby is a warframe

[hot mural]

Warframes where created from humans infected with the Helminth strand

[fast dew]

Mhm.

Human embryo. Infected.

[hot mural]

But Jades baby was born after Jade became a Warframe

That’s what I mean

Was the embryo there before hand

Or some void thing happened

[pale cedar]

We don’t know because it has never happened till Jade Shadows

[hot mural]

Exactly!

[fast dew]

I wouldn't consider a embryo as a full human, but its certainly there.

But yeah, it was there before she got warframe'd

[hot mural]

That’s what got me thinking in a way the baby would be a new species right?

[hot mural]

Embryos have human dna

That’s what I mean

[fast dew]

Yeah, only thing stopping it from being a parasite kekw

But uh

[hot mural]

But in the case the baby came after the infestation

[fast dew]

Yeah, baby was still there before the warframeification

[hot mural]

That would make it a Warframe or an infested

[fast dew]

We don't know what it is. It doesn't have a defined warframe strain either.

[hot mural]

Will the baby even ever grow up since warframes haven’t seen aging

[tall echo]

Unknown

Hmm... unown

[hot mural]

That’s why I’m asking for any ideas or suggestions

[fast dew]

I think ballas would be interested in it. I don't think he expected it. Not that he'll ever know now lol

[hot mural]

Will it remain a baby or grow up

[hot mural]

True

[tall echo]

Unknown

We can't guess what'll happen

[hot mural]

Alright don’t be so cold

[fast dew]

Albrecht probably would share some interest, but loid would absolutely smite him for trying to experiment on a child.

Who else likes the infestation? Son?

[tall echo]

I'm autistic I can only be cold

[fast dew]

Real

Or like. Accidentally offensive

[tall echo]

Ye

[hot mural]

Uhh no idea maybe it would be good to experiment on the baby and see how it can interact with the void or how the helminth strain works

With the constant risk of Stalker wanting to kill us

[tall echo]

We know the latter already

[hot mural]

So we know the strain can make enternal baby?

[silk atlas]

Leave Stalker alone, man

[tall echo]

No

[hot mural]

I’m just curious

[tall echo]

But that's unrelated to how helminth works

[hot mural]

Then why the baby looking like a Warframe ?

Wally had something to do

[silk atlas]

Sirius/Orion is a freak accident and we have no clue what it means going forward. This is just completely new stuff and any "suggestions" we make could easily just be made wrong as DE does it.

[tall echo]

Bc it was affected by the transformation

[silk atlas]

Because it was still made from a humanoid creature?

[tall echo]

Helminth just does what it's instructed to do

[hot mural]

So someone instructed it to infect the baby

Da baby

[tall echo]

No

[pale cedar]

No

[tall echo]

First

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/bravo-gif-gif-8524601943548603280

[hot mural]

I’m so confused

They should go into that thing of Da Baby

[tall echo]

It was instructed to transform jade. Bebeh was part of jade

[pseudo oar]

How come when i joined some random he had a music box that wouldnt shutup

[tall echo]

Helminth doesn't care for unspecified specifics

[tall echo]

Octavia

[hot mural]

Same like coding fr

[pseudo oar]

Bc the song they picked was irratating after the 100th loop bc i was in a void relic recovery mission 😭

It was cool for 2 seconds

[tall echo]

Octavia is bland and annoying

[hot mural]

Also in the trailer Ballas talking during the Orokin school or whatever that is. was he the giant hologram or no

[pseudo oar]

Agreed

[hot mural]

U know with those void luggers

[tall echo]

Yes?

[hot mural]

So it’s like a new model for him?

[tall echo]

Well technically-

[hot mural]

Nice nice

[tall echo]

Jk yes

But it's in the past so it's a new older model

[hot mural]

Or maybe that thing they do

Where they change the whole model in the lore

[tall echo]

Nah

[hot mural]

I don’t know the word for it

[tall echo]

It's war garb

[hot mural]

I want that blue flame thing in his head for my frames still

[restive river]

He’s not a prime

His regalia is neat tho
We’ll be getting Roathe’s regalia at least

[hot mural]

Roa who

[tall echo]

Upcoming prito

Proto

[twin wigeon]

Upcoming frame with a proto

Roathe is the proto for his frame Uriel

[mystic mortar]

Guys does stalker appear to new players before second dream anymore? i remember when i started i was getting him quite often before second dream and i was curious on who he is...
Now im watching EndiD20's playthrough and he still havent met stalker in missions thats sad ;/ he is gonna see stalker for the first time in the second dream. Has DE made that in purpose? idk if this question is appropriate here.

[tall echo]

He does but still needs the player to get marked first

[humble sierra]

Nothing is stopping him, it's just RNG

[celest needle]

Gets after killing Jackal
ignores me until Mars
Fight him on mars
get my ass beat
never seen him again until MR7

[mystic mortar]

he's got the message from stalker many times... and he plays solo missions, maybe he has encounter him off stream but im not sure, he would have mention it. DE should make it that you encounter stalker at least once before second dream to create a bit more suspense it was very interesting for me when i started... anyway !

[tall echo]

He's also pretty limited in which missions he can appear in

[mystic mortar]

hmm

[normal mountain]

Hmm
Would be nice
Maybe an introduction quest specifically for Stalker?
Would be nice

[sly ibex]

I wish more people encountered Stalker before doing The Second Dream. So many people get there without a clue about who he is, or such.

Let the new players KNOW FEAR.

[strange plinth]

tbf his only characterization pre-second dream is
- emailing you a transparent png of himself
- "your sentence is death"

[sly ibex]

Yeah, but a lot of folks miss out on the second part there.

They might get messages, but then they forget about that entirely by the time of The Second Dream, unless they are of the few that actually got to fight him before then and get wrecked.

[barren jasper]

I have a screenshot of his first time showing up for me, I remeber he killed me that time lol

[deep magnet]

i wish the duviri paradox was only accessible after the new war for story reasons

because most of the players forget the events of duvri by the time they get to the new war

[barren jasper]

agreed, even the text on the "quest completed" screen basically says "more to come, who is this mysterious drifter character?"

[strange plinth]

fair. a scripted sequence after a junction or worked into an existing quest would work fine i think

[barren jasper]

plus the whole face reveal sequence is pointless if u know who the character is lol

[deep magnet]

yea

[strange plinth]

the useful bit of early duviri is the circuit
and that could be separated from the rest fairly easily

[barren jasper]

and duvuri skips the character creation screen if u already had drifter from new war

[barren jasper]

circuit is basically pointless now before new war that they removed all MR locks for story

[normal mountain]

I don't remember my first Stalker experience
Pretty sure I killed him, but it was a bit of a struggle
The one I definitely remember is when he ambushed me on Ceres
I was leveling up my Vauban, Gorgon, Cestra, and I think Galantine
The guns did squat, he negated my abilities, and swung Hate faster than I could swing Galantine
I was dead in one that swing

[pale cedar]

DE should just make Circuit a Duviri demo type thing but lock the actual quest till after New War

[normal mountain]

Or just make it replayable
unless it is now, and I missed that

[sly ibex]

I thought it is replayable.

[strange plinth]

iirc it is currently replayable
though nothing really points to it

[sly ibex]

I know that feeling lol. Yee olden days, when we didn't get base mod capacity from MR

Duviri originally came out after AoZ, so it would be cool if they hinted at it the same way, with Teshin's swords at the Dormizone door, and all. AND I WANT TO WALK IN THE DORMIZONE AS MY OPERATOR AGAIN!!!!

[normal mountain]

I mean...
I was there for some of those olden days (late 2016 is my join date)
But I took a long vacation during my new player days
Didn't get past Mars until Whispers came out iirc

"new player years" is probably more accurate

[humble sierra]

I think it became replayable around 1999 or Techrot Encore

[normal mountain]

That would be about when I last ran around Duviri (not counting Isleweaver)
So that makes sense

[celest needle]

I wish they did something with Duviri man

Really any of the open worlds

They're just so boring currently

Just a map full of Grinner or Corpus and landmarks

[normal mountain]

Don't forget Infested

[strange plinth]

at least the plains n vallis have world bosses

[normal mountain]

And part of me is glad that Cambion Drift doesn't (at least, not really)
Last thing I need when fighting a field boss is to be swarmed by Infested

Which happens often enough on the Drift

Go fishing? Get swarmed
Found a vein? Get swarmed
Doing some conservation? Get swarmed

although now my brain wants an Infested Thumper, and I'm trying not to cry

[celest needle]

At least Eidolons you can avoid by not going at night and even then they are pretty sparse

Profit taker orbs can roll up whenever I drive near them and destroy me if I'm not leaving that instant

[tall echo]

Thumpers

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[strange plinth]

thumpers will chase you across the map and you can't escape them its the weirdest thing

[tall echo]

Also PT stays in one spot non hostile without the bounty and exploiter walks a set route

[celest needle]

WHY DO THEY JUMP SO HIGH 😭

[tall echo]

Yeetus deletus

The real final boss of the plains are drahk when you're trying to mine or fish tho

Dargyn*

Grineer names are annoying

[strange plinth]

dargyn and thumpers, the interrupting your peace siblings

[celest needle]

That award goes to the drift

If not playing an invisibility frame then every fishing or mining session every infested within 5 mile radius suddenly spots me

[tall echo]

Dargyn are plentiful until a riven needs you to kill them

[celest needle]

thats a challenge???

[tall echo]

Kill 5 dargyn in flight with a bow

Fairly common challenge for me

[celest needle]

🥀

at least you can do it without SP

and just use archwing

[tall echo]

And shoot them as they start flying

[ocean shuttle]

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[ocean shuttle]

Would this count?

[tall echo]

I see the gooner # so I think we need a mod :)

[ocean shuttle]

This is what it is

[celest needle]

"What's da plan boss?"

[tall echo]

So they just threw on tags for no reason, I see

[ocean shuttle]

Plus for isntagram are you surprised

[tall echo]

I don't use the lesser social medias

[ocean shuttle]

What are "the lesser"

[tall echo]

Anything except discord obv

[ocean shuttle]

Then how do you find about whats going on in general

Dont tell me you watch the news

[tall echo]

Yt shorts

And discord

Memes are surprisingly good news sources

[dry cobalt]

So... if protoframes can be produced in the past. They need helminths... but that also implies that albrecht brought cultured infestation with him as well 💀

[strange plinth]

he brought the helminth batches with him to make the protos, yes

they were modified injections

[tall echo]

He did

He did not cause the techrot if that's what you're thinking

[strange plinth]

scaldra propaganda go brr
but yeah 1999 was already the plague year n all that before he arrived

[dry cobalt]

It did cross my mind

Okay. Well if he didn't cause the techrot. Then the implications aren't that bad

[dry cobalt]

Plague year? As in like the year the infestation started?

[strange plinth]

he may have accelerated its spread slightly, but that's about it

[strange plinth]

its first known outbreak, yes

[dry cobalt]

Yea, that's what I thought. We have a couple lines from lotus in the once awake quest about it being pre-okorkin

[celest needle]

I see nothing wrong with Scaldra and I love their duty to protect Hollvania against the Techrot

I am not being forced against my will to say this and there are no Scaldra troopers in my house

[dry cobalt]

Blink twice if they are in your house. We can deploy a prime vanguard squadron immediately

[strange plinth]

i think they got em

[dry cobalt]

This is all interesting though. They definitely made the right move giving reb so much creative control

[fast dew]

Yeah he probably yoinked em from ballas

[dry cobalt]

I think it was likely the other way around. "The Orokin had no respect for my fathers work. But I suppose you proved them right in the end." Mother.

That's the line when she calls us and our warframe an Orokin thug

[fast dew]

It was moreso that he was seen as insane after a while, and stupid and unworthy before the main discovery

Which... isn't entirely wrong

[dry cobalt]

Hmm... I suppose it could refer to the void jump accident as well

[fast dew]

But he definitely still had contact with Ballas, given he had so many warframes

[dry cobalt]

All things of true innovation are born of either madness or a mental disorder. Sometimes both.

[fast dew]

Void incident refers to the first contact wirh wally

[fast dew]

After the void incident, it is safe to say he probably has some level of PTSD

[dry cobalt]

I was talking about the "you proved him right in the end" part. Since the tenno are essentially forever marked by wally and the void

[dry cobalt]

Them*

[fast dew]

That could be in reference to how he eventually figured void travel out, the thing he was assigned, but the tenno does help Albrecht's research

[dry cobalt]

I mean yea... he modeled void drives after wally's fingers and decided he'd rather literally die than have to deal with living with what he'd seem in another body.

[fast dew]

Its a bit more than live with what he's seen, its more on the fear that he isn't Albrecht but the man in the wall

[dry cobalt]

"Was it I who escaped that day... or the other"

Little did he know it was both. And that an autistic kid spent an undisclosed period of time keeping wally at bay before he finally broke the poor boy and truly got free.

[floral meadow]

So I have a bit of a question i replayed the 1999 campaign and one thing I didnt understand was why they actually NEEDED the legacyte and whats up with it? Its really weird acting as it seems intelligent compared to the other techrot. Is it the equivalent of a leader? Or something more? Because Eleanor mentioned the techrot in the vicinity of it were different from others as if "biding their time"

[dire mountain]

6 commandos who are still very much mortal against an army is not the best matchup so they sent Eleanor to "convince" the fledgling hivemind to "join" them (kill the legacyte and take control)

Its basically a protogravemind if it werent immobile

[floral meadow]

Ahh ok so that makes a lot more sense, thanks! Honestly I was kinda guessing that it was meant to be that but I wasn't sure

[waxen mesa]

my dumbest lore theory?

The 'present' date in warframe is XXX99

[dire mountain]

Yeah its like how the flood are more tactical when a protogravemind is in control versus just flinging themselves at their enemies (even if they do still absolutely do that)

[floral meadow]

I think its so far into the future and years are so different on every planet that we gave up on years and instead ended up losing purpose for counting years

[waxen mesa]

i figure if humans became space faring they'd count the date in earth years

[floral meadow]

Well id also figure humans would also learn to not piss off the warframes and tenno but you see how that ends up

[dire mountain]

No?? The only factions the tenno fight against are ones that are existential threats against regular people

And the corrupted i guess

We rarely if EVER interact with regular people

The mere presence of a tenno is more than enough to endanger them

We only intervene if our presence outweighs the negatives

[strange plinth]

cetus n fortuna are the most normal people we interact with, n they mostly have their own problems already

[twin wigeon]

yeah but they'dve kept suffering if we didn't intervene is what he's saying

i think

[dire mountain]

Grey is agreeing

They have their own problems and they only requested tenno aid because shit got bad bad

[twin wigeon]

fair fair

[lunar flume]

Praise blind mommy

[spark onyx]

Are there going to be any additions to Lotus' story? I just started at the end of october, and I just want to know, as I have only made it past new war. I have seen one other mission that looks like it involves her but that's it.

[lunar flume]

Screw lotus, I want lore on ordis

[spark onyx]

I only started liking ordis after the octavia quest

[lunar flume]

I need that man to have a quest line

[strange plinth]

can't predict what they'll do with her
she'll be involved with the Old Peace quest, though, as she was in the demo at tennocon

[woven coyote]

More likely that we find out more about margulis

[lunar flume]

Did we ever find out who was controlling the enemy necramech in the heart of Deimos quest?

[spark onyx]

Okay. Just wanted to know, as she was the main focus for most of it. Just seems weird to boot her out after all of that

[strange plinth]

grandmother, was confirmed at the end of the quest

[lunar flume]

Oh?

[spark onyx]

I am still so confused about him being a cephalon. Where th did that even come from?

[strange plinth]

voice is similar, then the "did you..?" dialogue option has her pretend to not know what you're talking about

[woven coyote]

Relatively common punishment back then

[lunar flume]

He was an assassin and getting turned into a cephalon was his punishment

[spark onyx]

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

[lunar flume]

Unless I’m wrong don’t come after my throat

[spark onyx]

Aren't cephalons mostly omniscient?

[woven coyote]

Slight difference, he was a mercenary, which technically broadens the work he would theoretically accept

[strange plinth]

he was turned into a cephalon for refusing to become orokin iirc?
or that was a facade idr

[woven coyote]

Digitized humans

Hooked into special cephalon internet

[lunar flume]

Imagine if Rell was a cephalon

[spark onyx]

Ah. I thought they had semi-omniscience or something

[woven coyote]

So not omniscient

[lunar flume]

I would love to have a cute tism cephalon going rap tap tap