lore-discussion

[pale cedar]

Amps are also made with Sentient stuff

[dark compass]

Yeah, wouldn't be too far off if they salvaged them for zaws as well

And Ocucor is literally an amp scaffold stuffed into a gun

[north jolt]

That I do know for sure. But least to my eyes the plague Keewar is the only zaw that kinda sorta looks sentient to me

[pale cedar]

I doubt Zaws are Sentient tech tbh

[dark compass]

Not saying it's tech

Actually I did say it's tech

[north jolt]

Like least the base ones, all could pass for pretty standard blades and clubs

[dark compass]

I mostly meant parts

I'm just going off Ocucor and Battacor sharing the zaw links

It's such a weirdly specific detail to reuse

In all fairness, they don't use any actual sentient materials

So I'm probably way off in this assumption

[waxen mesa]

Are all prime weapons and frames original Orokin design?

My friend seesm to think so, but doesn't Varzia or whoever imply some weapons/frames are just made with high quality materials to become prime

[dark compass]

It's not consistent

Some were made prime, some got primed later

Some exist under questionable circumstances with no real explanation

Lavos primed himself

Varzia just has a quality 3d printer that can use the designs stored in regal aya

[pale cedar]

Varzia and her concept of a Prime

[dark compass]

Illegally 3d printing warframes

[pale cedar]

We should start holding her at gunpoint to get the Primes faster

Secret cheat code

[dark compass]

Aya won't decrypt itself

Gotta bring in the cash flow

[celest needle]

You wouldn’t steal a prime

[waxen mesa]

she'd probably corrupt the design and like. give us some blob prime

[dark compass]

Revenant Prime was just Varzia kitbashing a model

That's why he's fatherless

[pale cedar]

At least he has a mother in that case

[celest needle]

Did narmer use the 3D printer for archons?

Cause I don’t see how you can grab 3 prime frames in the era where they’re extremely rare so you can slap 3 half corpses onto them

[dark compass]

It's Ballas

He probably had them around to use

[celest needle]

What?

[dark compass]

I mean he was leading narmer

Was it not him who introduced the archons?

[pale cedar]

Nah, they just found fallen Warframes and glued them to the Archon body

[pale cedar]

Technically Hunhow introduced them to us but Erra made them

Now Erra is a puppet of his creation

[celest needle]

They grinded out mag prime relics

[pale cedar]

Sounds like effort

[dark compass]

I meant introduced to the narmer forces

[strange turtle]

She says that some things aren’t originally Primed while some had Prime designs from the start

But yeah it’s just better tech/resources and a fancy design

It was Orokin design though

[celest needle]

And somehow they decided to give frost a mask and gauss a whole new design 😭

[strange turtle]

Except for the cases of Rev, Caliban and Lavos, who just popped up, was a collab and Primed themself respectively

[pale cedar]

There’s the Caliban was made by Erra thing

I miss the meme of Caliban was bad because he was made by a guy called Erra

[kindred plume]

So guys... How does this alignment thing work exactly? I don't think it means just "good" or "evil"

[kindred plume]

I still don't fully understand. It's not good or evil. But still what does the sun and moon mean?

[woven coyote]

It's closer to logical versus emotional choices basically

And then the middle

[kindred plume]

With sun being emotional, I supose, because of "commits without reflecting"? Like it does feel you're just acting on pure emotion at the moment

[woven coyote]

Previous line
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting, probably is more about being decisive or not regretting

[kindred plume]

Makes sense

[woven coyote]

So sun is closer to being logical and decisive

And again these arent like hard absolutes

[kindred plume]

Thank you bro

[woven coyote]

Nw

[pale cedar]

I’ve always seen it as Moon being logical not Sun

Like Sun seems more like making hasty choices quickly without thinking it through fully

And Moon is accepting new ideas to find a logical answer

[woven coyote]

I don't quite remember any of the choices in game to help tell which was which

But from the litany sun sounds logical to me

[fast dew]

Moon is calm, controls the tide, sun is chaotic, burns bright and burns us

[prime trail]

how beautiful that is

[orchid torrent]

ok, wild take, but do you think Wally is the King in Yellow type creature?

[strange turtle]

Thats the incomprehensible eldritch thing that drives people insane with a book or play or something right?

[lilac aspen]

Yeah
Where technically it doesn’t cause your insanity, but that you caused your own insanity because you kept reading

You could of dropped the book and walked away
Woe, you chose to keep reading

[celest needle]

Wally is a lot more tangible

[tall echo]

No

[silk atlas]

Wally doesn't need some book to make you insane hell just make you insane

[tall echo]

And he chooses to

[lilac aspen]

Yeah Wally just does it

[celest needle]

Could a Narmer veil affect the cavia?

[lilac aspen]

Needs no silly play

[silk atlas]

They put them on robots so don't see why it wouldn't

[celest needle]

Can the veil really be put on robots?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[celest needle]

I thought they just
Reprogrammed them though?

[pale cedar]

Corpus robotics have them on in some missions

[celest needle]

Can the Kuva work on machines?

[silk atlas]

Bruh we don't know

[tall echo]

It works on sentients

Somehow

[celest needle]

How does the veil work on machines

Cause the veil uses Kuva

[pale cedar]

What said Veils use Kuva?

[lilac aspen]

Sentients are weird

[celest needle]

They don't ?

Isn't that what the swirling red stuff is?

[pale cedar]

Don’t know that’s why I’m asking what actually says they do

Red thing can often be anything

[woven coyote]

think teshin comments on the mirrors when he sees the first one ]

but other than that i don't recall any confirmation

could be something on a dojo decoration too

[restive river]

We have concept art of the veil with tower meat in it iirc

The problem would be Erra had the veils prepared prior before they took the Unum
Or at least he was working on them, but he still had the narmer mirror so

[barren jasper]

do we know how many towers there are? or even a rough number. i don't know anything about the unum

[pale cedar]

The Void towers and Unum are the only towers still standing

There’s a thing somewhere that mentioned during Old War they all fell except Unum

Void towers couldn’t be attacked cuz Sentients built in weakness

[barren jasper]

i asked bc the building where you start the game is one of the meat towers

[restive river]

Isn’t it like
Incredibly damaged?

[pale cedar]

That was made by outside 3rd party company so it was full of inaccuracies

Same people made the Teacher quest and that also showed how they’re better at cinematic stuff rather than making lore accurate quests

[celest needle]

Probably a fallen void tower

[restive river]

We do just start there in-game too though, so the tower was collaborative

Unless the awakening quest was done by them too

[pale cedar]

It seemingly was

[restive river]

Regardless, we see towers elsewhere but they’d essentially be corpses anyway

[pale cedar]

DE probably didn’t give them much guidance

[restive river]

There’s one in the railjack free roam and it’s just a husk

[pale cedar]

Isn’t the on in RJ a destroyed tower?

[restive river]

Yeah that’s what I mean

The only tower we ever find that’s alive is the Unum

[restive river]

This

[lilac aspen]

Unum the goated

[eager briar]

Why didn’t entrati put transference bolts in the hex?

Is he stupid?

[tall echo]

1. Who says he didn't
2. Why would he

[barren jasper]

I mean he probabaly did since we can use transference on them

[tall echo]

Bolt isn't needed for that

[barren jasper]

ohh oops nvm

[eager briar]

1. The fact that Arthur was able to easily kick us out of his head
2. So we could easily control the protoframes

[mystic lynx]

Is there a warframe that can talk
Not the one that just make noises like roar or a warcry but actual coherent speech

[silk atlas]

No

They can't talk as a rule

[tall echo]

Bolt wouldn't help with either of those

Umbra has a bolt too

[eager briar]

Stalker words sometimes plus the hex

[silk atlas]

I would think they mean fully formed frames, so it'd just be Stalker in that case

[mystic lynx]

Huh stalker isn't fully formed frame?

[silk atlas]

What? That's not what Im saying

I'm saying the Hex aren't and they should not be counted in this

[mystic lynx]

Well Stalker is just special ig cuz snh Umbra and Jade can't talk

[tall echo]

Koumei, cyte and dante have vague words in their ability cast noises but it's unclear if that's coming from them

[eager briar]

Jades fairy dust now when would she get the opportunity to talk

[eager briar]

Rare instance of someone using koumei ever

[tall echo]

She's a fairly popular frame

[eager briar]

Me when I lie

[restive river]

Only maybe evidence of the bolts being in them, or at least Arthur is when his hand is taken over and writes out where he needs to go at the start of the hex quest

[eager briar]

Idk if you know this but umbras an odd fellow

[restive river]

Nokko has a lot of vocalizations in his abilities but same thing, unclear if it’s him

[restive river]

He does have a special bolt yes

[lean garden]

Nokko nokko nokko

Nokko's sprodlings just say nokko but they were taught that word through the mycelial line by nightcap

[eager briar]

Did any orokin ever use continuity on a warframe back in the orokin empire

Ik the queens tried it during the war within

[silk atlas]

Never said if they've tried

[eager briar]

Also they only kidnapped one Tenno

[ocean geyser]

I think that was sort of like using the Warframe as a conduit to access the operator

[eager briar]

What was worm supposed to do

[ocean geyser]

Considering the Kuva “drill” appears in the transference room

[ocean geyser]

Idk she sort of just chills

[eager briar]

Couldn’t be me

[ocean geyser]

She does sorta get weird after her sis dies though

[eager briar]

If the queens were hated for being identical twins why didn’t one of them just change their appearance

[ocean geyser]

They were probably denied refacia
Or they didn’t want to

[eager briar]

It is my tinfoil hat theory that the wolf of Saturn six is a warframe like stalker

[quick spade]

What happened to their heads??

(Old Mate rank in Fortuna)

[eager briar]

Wait, they get faces when you hit old mate???

[silk atlas]

They've explained this before, replaced their parts with robot ones. Just kept their heads in their chests lol

[earnest sapphire]

I’m pretty sure it was already stated that nothing except transference could control the warframes if I’m not mistaken

[eager briar]

Oh, I thought it was like the holdfasts

[quick spade]

They're Venus-Australian XD

[eager briar]

Where when you hit the highest rank, they look normal

Why hasn’t simaris practically sieged the sanctum for all of Albrecht’s research

[strange plinth]

prolly doesn't know it exists

[eager briar]

Doesn’t he have control over all the Helios companions

I’m sure he’s seen at least one Tenno go into the sanctum

Or is it a generic information gathering drone that he also uses?

[strange plinth]

he might use helios sentinels but he's not directly responsible for them afaik
they're a corpus thing

gameplay over lore, you can bring helios and synthesis scanners into the sanctum but that doesn't mean that simaris would actually know about any of it
the murmur don't show up in the sanctuary, nor do 1999 units

[tall echo]

He's a heavily tortured grineer

[tall echo]

No, he just utilizes a couple sometimes

[eager briar]

What if he’s a heavily tortured warframe confused for grineer and the queens never tried continuity on it because the second dream didn’t happen yet and his Tenno wasn’t awake

[tall echo]

It is explicitly stated that he's a grineer. He was locked up in a grineer prison for grineer criminals

[restive river]

They don’t want the frames to do continuity on them

They sent Teshin to get specifically, they’re unhappy when we show up as our frame

[twin wigeon]

They don't want our flesh puppets just the demon/kiddo

[fast dew]

Why do people always say this btw? They genuinely do not sound Australian other than like. Chipper.

They sound more british than Australian 😭

[quick spade]

My bad..

[fast dew]

But like. Is it me being Australian and not being able to recognise the accent cus its too normal for me?

[fast dew]

Nah, im just askin in general, you aint the only one who's said it, so I was wondering if i missed something

[dark compass]

I love the way chipper talks

[fast dew]

It was a bloody jumpscare to hear him. Reminded me of the eshays.

[tall echo]

Yes

[proper barn]

The main ones. Wait they talk about how they change out parts. How do you think legs is working even though

He's just legs now?

[proper barn]

People mean like Ducky and Chipper. Maybe the business.

The business is specifically the "werid" sounding one

To the other solaris.

[dark compass]

Nightcap and Chipper also get faces when their own rank gets to 5 alongside solaris

[fast dew]

Ah, yeah i can see that for them, but like. Everyone else sounds more british/english than Australian. Maybe like, giga posh rich mfs in Australia but i haven't met those people before

[dark compass]

They are definitely not going for a posh rich accent for solaris member

[proper barn]

Chipper is interesting. Cuz he bought all hus parts in 1 go untraceable. @fast dew @dark compass

[celest needle]

I honestly wish you could turn it off

[proper barn]

Also he cut off his own head to be a Solaris.

[celest needle]

I like the reveal but man their robotic faces and voices sound way better

[dark compass]

Chipper stays winning

[proper barn]

I like the krang.

[proper barn]

Also wrong.

@fast dew also if you paided attention during the first vox Solaris quest you might have noticed that Vox only comes back when Eduico decides to be part of the Solaris again. Also it's someone wearing basically a nef ayon meme face over their normal face.

[dark compass]

"can you please put that curtain down again it's disturbing"

[proper barn]

I Like them

[dark compass]

Same

[proper barn]

Y'all are just haters.

Also Duckys face is so pretty.

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-little-duck-solaris-gif-21084918

[proper barn]

True

[strange turtle]

being able to control them wasn’t the point

[eager briar]

But she’s racist

[eager briar]

Wasn’t the whole point of the transference bolts literally to quell the war frames, allowing them to be used by the Tenno

[strange turtle]

Yeah

And thats not why Albrecht made the protos

They weren’t meant to be some easily controlled puppets

[eager briar]

She literally says I don’t like the way you’re looking

[strange turtle]

You seen the way some Operators be looking?

Like, same girl

[eager briar]

But she was talking about the war frames

She only talks to you when you’re in the operator

[strange plinth]

"Can't say I like the way you look, if you catch my drift."
that line?
she only deals with the operator. as she's working with the quills. its only related to operator/warframe.

[strange turtle]

They ain’t exactly pretty either

[eager briar]

She’s framephobic

[strange plinth]

her other lines are far clearer with that difference

[strange plinth]

no lol
nothing she sells is useful for a frame, so she doesn't deal with them
that's it

[proper barn]

HUH?

[proper barn]

Yeah she's a quill contact.

[eager briar]

But she literally knows that there’s an operator underneath and that who she’s actually talking too so why would it matter if the saidoperator is simply operating a war frame?

[strange turtle]

Its meant to be like, a content lock

Like how you used to only be able to go through the Necralisk gate as an Operator

And Onkko’s door

[eager briar]

Then just have a big thing that says come back after the war within the same thing that happens if you try to taxi someone to lua

[strange plinth]

can't go around selling things to a sleeping tenno, can we?

[strange turtle]

She’s accessible normally so there’s a little hint that players without Operator aren’t ready, and when they do get it and remember her they’ll realise the kind of content she’s for

[eager briar]

Wait, how does she know about sleeping Tenno before the second dream happens

[strange plinth]

quills representative
also maybe something with the ghouls comic? idr

[strange turtle]

She’s in contact with the Quills

[eager briar]

Man, why can’t the separate fractions have allies like the main groups

I should passively gain standing with necraloid when I gained standing with entrati

[strange turtle]

Because they’re just different kinds of things altogether?

[strange plinth]

kinda defeats the point of those being separate if you could

the regular syndicates have identical formats for their offerings, while entrati and necraloid are very different

[strange turtle]

The “main” syndicates have their whole balance and increasing/decreasing thing with mods and parts for the non-Prime market

[strange turtle]

The other syndicates are story stuff and generally unrelated to eachother, so they get permanent progress

[celest needle]

They also dump Warframes at her place and leave

(this isn't actual lore but how the hell does she get Baruuk and Hildryn if not the quills just dumping it at her)

[eager briar]

How is there another orokin in xx99 to get turned into a Protoframe anyway (I know we don’t even have an official release date yet, but I’m just looking for some theories)

[strange plinth]

got yoinked by albrecht

[eager briar]

But how was he alive to get yoinked

[strange plinth]

he was taken in the orokin era. albrecht didn't like him or something

[eager briar]

That’s kind of rude

He seems like a pretty neat guy

[dark compass]

He's blue

Which means he's evil

[eager briar]

The humans in avatar:

[fast dew]

Albrecht really didn't like roathe. And while Albrecht probably doesn't like a lot of people, this is new for him. Makes me wonder what Roathe did to piss Albrecht off so bad

[dark compass]

Roathe said that his outfit is a jojo reference, which it obviously isnt, and he hates jojo fans

"b-but the hat, and the coat-"
"banished to xx99 with a proto virus"

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drag-come-here-comehere-gif-21771860

[strange plinth]

i banish ye to an undisclosed '99

[dark compass]

i really hope that xx99 will mean we will get more medieval-ish weapons if thats the style they are going for

[celest needle]

The Corpus Crewman watching the Tenno pull out an pre-orokin practically forgotten XX999 STEEL BROADSWORD and start kicking their ass with it

[dark compass]

"now here's a real excalibur"

[fast dew]

Im gonna be mildly delusional but like. I wanna say it has something to do with Loid. Probably Tau given his title and shit, but like. Delusional thomas hour but like. Imagine if roathe was gonna try and snitch on Albrecht for his relationship with a lower caste so Albrecht was like. "Nuh uh to hell you go"

[eager briar]

Albrecht hates me?

[dark compass]

yes, to the xx99 with you

[celest needle]

Thank Sol he wasn't found out by ballas

[eager briar]

What happens when you give a warframe the Helminth strain?

[dark compass]

Warframes are kinda made with it?

[eager briar]

Is that how we got nidus?

[eager briar]

Infested^2

[dark compass]

helminth strain is what was used to turn people into warframes in the first place

then yeah, i guess if you double down itll be just Nidus

[strange plinth]

warframes.. are helminth
so. nothing? its not going to warframe them again

[dark compass]

Nidus just shares a link with helminth closer than the rest

[restive river]

Helminth is how we have every frame

It’s not a warframe if it’s not some part helminth and some part human

[eager briar]

Are we the only one with a drifter and operator or do all other Tenno also suddenly have an older version after tnw

[strange plinth]

one drifter

[restive river]

The Drifter is the version of the Chosen Operator who wasn’t saved

We are all the chosen operator narratively

[fast dew]

See, its only okay when Ballas does it/s

[solar hatch]

Random question but when this sort of stuff happens, what happened to the tenno operating this?

random note, I do wonder whether the wider factions in the origin systems know the tenno aren't their warframes lol

[strange plinth]

prolly nothing. just disconnected n went to another frame if it was available
"cut them down yet they rise again" n all that

[strange plinth]

highly unlikely

[fast dew]

The entrati probably know, if their memory allows

[stiff fable]

depends on if the Lotus can disconnect them before anything happens and if they're still in the Second Dream

[strange plinth]

oh, yeah
entrati absolutely do
vague hints towards the difference in their dialogue even in heart of deimos
i uh. didn't consider them a "wider faction"

[topaz magnet]

My interpretation of the lore to-date is that it's impossible to kill an operator even when they are physically present with their Warframe. They are effectively immortal.

It is heavily implied that canonically, it is one warframe per operator. So the Tenno losing their warframe like that would put them out of the fight for awhile.

Perhaps of interest: that cutscene predates The Second Dream.

[strange plinth]

they may have been assigned one warframe per tenno originally, but i'm not sure if that remains true in the current era

[fast dew]

Tbf they rarely do anything outside their quest, so its forgivable to forget that they are a syndicate faction

My question is if they are fully aware, or if they're saying those hints without knowing why, kinda like how Son and Daughter mentions a human Loid long before we knew human Loid. I aint good at explaining what i mean 😭

I mean, daughter mentions Loid's skull, so it could be human or necraloid, but yk

[topaz magnet]

Yeah I'm not 100% certain. But Harrow was definitely a one-operator kind of frame. I think Inaros too.

During the The War Within, when you get disconnected from your warframe, it's a big deal that you've "lost your warframe" even though you have an arsenal full of them.

[fast dew]

Ehhh

Rell wasn't the only harrow

[strange plinth]

tbf, you've not just lost your frame there. you've lost the ability to control any frame

[topaz magnet]

Let me go and rewatch the cinematic. The voice line comes before you realise you've lost your void powers IIRC.

[strange plinth]

possibly. i've also not watched that cutscene for a bit

[fast dew]

But yeah uh son mentions a Loid carrying him around on his shoulders, in the gardens, and i think that's kinda sweet

[solar hatch]

yep you lost your whole transferrence power, and that caused ordis to almost purge your ass to space lol

If you try blasting, it'll make you stagger

[fast dew]

Me when a character's off-screen but established traits are actually shown !!

[topaz magnet]

I just rewatched it. You say "I lost my Warframe" before you try to get the transferrence power back on.

So you don't know you lost your void powers in that moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PXTHsFFSfw

Around the 06:00 mark.

[solar hatch]

Oh right that scene was also kinda dubious cuz it's like, not really the actual ordis lol

[strange plinth]

right before that is also "Get the transference power back on, okay?"

[topaz magnet]

That's an interesting point, RE: unreliable narration.

However, I still feel it's heavily implied until this point that for story purposes, it's one operator, one warframe

[strange plinth]

there's also the context that the fortress is moving and it had been established that this was the "one chance" to get to the queens
so that specific warframe is fairly important there
can't just hop in another one and hope to find the fortress again

[solar hatch]

yeah that's what our power is called
Ordis: "A Transference surge, Operator! You're losing your Warframe connection!"

lotus told us to not pursue the kuva fortress right at that moment iirc but we stubbornly went against her wishes

[fast dew]

Oh yeah, yall would know this

What are these? They're in Albrecht's netracells

[lean garden]

Separately the tenno would have had spares somewhere, otherwise the orbitor being equipped to facilitate more than one warframe for a single user would be a very precautious thing to do

[solar hatch]

really makes you think about how we're keeping all our inventory at, lore-wise

[lean garden]

Hammer space ezpz

[solar hatch]

Maybe the same way any notable fighters can pop out their primary, secondary and melee smoothly

[fast dew]

Storage the orbiter is rather large

[solar hatch]

Im like 99 percent sure the void has sth to do with it 👁️

[strange plinth]

trinkets, i'd guess
they don't look particularly important
despite their location

[fast dew]

Albrecht is a crow confirmed

But it is interesting, almost everything in the netracells have some form of significance. Maybe this is like. The only hint towards the triad

[strange plinth]

the far right one kinda reminds me of a donda?
but very, very vaguely

[topaz magnet]

Yeah the orbiter is huge, considering. I saw an image somewhere showing the relative sizes of the orbiter to the lander...

[solar hatch]

Maybe the tenno canonically possess void hammer-space for storage, much like how when we die in the war within we get send to a liminal realm of sort

🧠

[topaz magnet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/thp8xu/still_cant_believe_how_big_the_orbiter_is_the_red/

[fast dew]

Ill be honest, the Triad feels forced as hell even with the hex and 1999 there was ample build up and Albrecht mentioning them in the notes. The Triad just has... nothing. Despite their importance, they just have nothing

[solar hatch]

Wait what that's how big it is??

[topaz magnet]

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/767161-do-we-have-a-rough-estimate-of-the-orbiters-size-in-numbers/

[strange plinth]

yea
i feel like the triad aren't actually super important
they seem to have their own thing w/ descendia rather than being tied to albrecht's whole.. plan.. whatever he's up to

[solar hatch]

I legit did not know we were living in such a big space

Wait, rephrasing that

I mean that I didn't know our living space is connected to something that large

cuz for all we know a large chunk of the off screen spaces are for storage and the ship's compartments

[fast dew]

Like, Albrecht mentions getting high with Loid, and Loid getting sick from it, but neglects to mention the orokin he trapped??? Brother has some weird priorities 😭

Oh, and the netracells have a coffee machine for some reason

[strange plinth]

wonder if the orokin had coffee machines or if he had to steal one

[fast dew]

He stole one for sure

He has cars in jars, he stole those too

[celest needle]

Enters 1999 coffee shop
grabs coffee machine
leaves

[fast dew]

No no, he pays with obols bcs they look close enough to coins

[strange plinth]

prolly more valuable

[solar hatch]

Albretch sure likes his retro aesthetics

[lean garden]

Entrati just casually Twofeathering in 1999 with his obols

[fast dew]

I dont think its even the aesthetics, he is just interested in how it all works

[lean garden]

tbf, the getting high part was likely before the kidnapping of a blue dude to ship off to the past

actually Id imagine it was more concentual

[fast dew]

I mean, yeah, but why does he choose to mention that and goes "hm. Lets not mention me trapping a orokin in xx99 bcs i dont like him", and its not like he'd be lying to us in those notes, they're not supposed to be read by us 😭

[lean garden]

roathe probably needed something from entrati, and then entrati goes "hey I have alternative payment methods"

[solar hatch]

warframe goes meta on us 🔥

[lean garden]

and the roathe goes "bet, hit me up with them spooky juices Albert E."

[solar hatch]

Albretch will do it like Doki Doki literature club and alter our game files 🧠

[lean garden]

I mean, part of me suspects that thats because the triad existed after those notes

[fast dew]

I mean, would he? Roathe seems to be more traditionally orokin, who are really obsessed with "purity" and their vanity

[fast dew]

It couldn't have, the notes end at the cutscene we see in whispers, when he leaves for the final time

[lean garden]

any orokin that even bothers to engage with the concept of forgiveness is already an outlier

[lean garden]

I never said it was before albrecht left for 1999 permanently

[fast dew]

Roathe isn't, that's Albrecht. Roathe is dismissing the idea of punishment for his actions bcs "hell aint real"

[strange plinth]

that's kinda what i'm thinking too
no idea how plausible it is
but time travel shenanigans

[fast dew]

No like. The notes must exist with the triad as Albrecht wouldn't have been able to do it after, he can't timetravel to places without the sarcophagus or a literal nuke he hijacked, and the link to where the triad is, is in the sanctum, which would defeat the purpose of him leaving the sanctum

[lean garden]

That s already engaging with the concept

[fast dew]

But like

I don't think they particularly thought this one out in general

[lean garden]

far more than any orokin

his response was a dismissal based on religious concepts

not one based on the orokin not needing forgiveness

roathe already got his head in the systematics

[fast dew]

The 3 kimchats are for the protos, right? What good is Roathe's banishment if he can just walk out and use the pom-2???

Oh no i meant irl

Unless the 3rd chat isn't for Roathe??? [Loid kimchat delusion]

[lean garden]

I mean... the link to the sanctum could have been prepped, because we know albrecht prepares for random shit.

And then afterwards when he skips town out of 1999 he does his thang and links to the sanctum

[lean garden]

I mean... for some reason we didnt see roathe's the last time we saw their KIMs

[fast dew]

It is a devbuild but like

[lean garden]

inb4 roathe has a completely separate romance route

[fast dew]

There was 3, we know there is 3

So like

Loid kimchat?!?

[lean garden]

"Loid, the orokin is yapping too much, give me some insults"

[strange plinth]

iirc one of the choices when talking to marie was something relating to [confess about roathe]

[fast dew]

Loid would just do it himself

[lean garden]

inb4 roathes romance route is locked behind doing descendia

you wanna be weird and romance the blue skin? PUT YER BACK IN JT THEN

[fast dew]

ALSO. While i know they aint actually siblings, the devs mention that Marie and Lyon are kinda like siblings and i think thats neat

[lean garden]

Siblings in Lua amen

[fast dew]

They very well could just wind up as siblings and i would not really question it

They look similar enough

Also

[strange plinth]

ah, yeah
third choice spot in the convo has [Confess interest in Roathe.] at the start of one of the options

[fast dew]

How would the kimchat loop work for the triad?? Its not in the loop, so is like

[lean garden]

while talking to the nun???

[fast dew]

Loid going out there and deleting it

[strange plinth]

yea

[lean garden]

different server

[fast dew]

Platonic interest me thinks

Until it aint

[dark compass]

He's orokin, he's scared of computers

[fast dew]

I guess? I hope we get an explanation of how Loid managed to unbrick that Pom-2 tho

[lean garden]

The thinking machine scares him! how dare it know the date!

[lean garden]

unbrick which one?

[fast dew]

The orokin were scared of AI, i don't think they minded puters all too bad

[dark compass]

They should add a slider that picks at which point in time you message people

[fast dew]

The one in the sanctum doesn't work, other than the reports

[lean garden]

I mean, just install the app ezpz

[fast dew]

Prolly cuz we blew it up

[strange plinth]

Marie: Pardonnez-moi ! I am not giving you a chance to answer. Will you lend aid to the devil, then ?
options are:
He seems like he's doing what he needs to survive. I can't fault him for that.
[Confess interest in Roathe.] There's something compelling about him...
I don't think I can be in the business of turning away allies.
He hasn't done anything to prove he isn't worth helping... yet.

-# this is at 47:23 in the devstream btw

[dark compass]

Confess interest in roathe

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scared-gif-6787764075896120076

[fast dew]

I just want a loid kimchat one day

I want his imput on things

[restive river]

You can have loid kimchat but you will also get fib kimchat

[fast dew]

God.

Id rather lobotomise myself. Better to pine than be disappointed.

The opposite of what loid does

And what he says

"Tis better to have loved and lost, than have not loved at all"

Loid. Im gonna shrimply combust if you keep making me sad.

[dark compass]

Cavia group chat

[fast dew]

Also that poses the question to how fib even uses a computer

[dark compass]

Fish brain computer

[fast dew]

He can play Komi, but thats played with the mind afaik

Plays and cheats at Komi

[dark compass]

Yeah you do that in the umbra quest

I'm sure he can type the same way as well

[fast dew]

Tagfer's noises are calming, the happy ones at the very least

[strange plinth]

god, i'd play komi against the fish if they put a komi board in the sanctum

[fast dew]

Reckon it'll still have the bug where ballas speaks when you do a move?

[dark compass]

They should make a new pvp mode for conclave standing

And it's just a komi board

[fast dew]

Or will it get reversed so when it should be ballas speaking, it'll be fib

[strange plinth]

fibonacci criticizing you for being a biped in duviri,,

[fast dew]

"Bloody bipeds"
The humble kaithe:

[dark compass]

I'm glad he stops saying that

[fast dew]

Albrecht has some old poetry actually i wonder where he stores it. And how Fibonacci finds it.

[fast dew]

He doesn't, he just makes a joke about you being one now. He also says "i love you" and it makes me giggle

[strange turtle]

I mean even if they didn’t we’d probably reveal it to them, what with Rank 5 and all

[fast dew]

I wonder if the triad will be locked behind r5 hex or r5 cavia...

[strange turtle]

Is it just me or does that thing on the left look like those mystery bits on that thing you theorised is a Tau map

[strange plinth]

i'm going to guess they're locked behind old peace quest completion rather than hex or cavia
though if it is linked to either, probably cavia

[fast dew]

Kinda?

[strange turtle]

If the way we equip our weapons when we have holstering off is meant to indicate anything, maybe a digital storage/reconstruction kind of thing, similar to Destiny’s engrams and Borderlands digistruction?

Or maybe thats just the transmission of the weapons to/from storage, like transmat

[fast dew]

Yeah, id think it would be cavia, but you'd need to do the old peace as a quest first. We don't gave a syndicate for that so

Please god let it be r5 cavia so people have to go through all those cutscenes and see Loid cry

Or, hear Loid cry

[tall echo]

Unless the cutscene glitches out and doesn't play like it did for me

[fast dew]

Thats balls

[twin wigeon]

for some reason i can't customize the cavia despite being rank 5

[pale cedar]

Odd

Are you 100% sure you actually got R5

[twin wigeon]

... yes

i actually saw the cutscene sometime back and i have access to eda

also i can buy like everything from bird 3

[pale cedar]

Can you do Netras?

If you can do it all except colour

Maybe it’s worth sending a ticket

[runic verge]

are builds by ninjese on overframe good? I've heard so from a couple of high mr's

[ashen pulsar]

Yes, wrong chat tho

[runic verge]

my bad missclick

[eager briar]

Oh my goodness I just realized

Tenno, ten O, ten zero

We were named after the zariman ten zero

How am I this dense to only just realize

[dark compass]

No, we were named after Hayden Tenno

The first Tenno

His signature glaive is available as a skin

[ocean geyser]

goofy ass conversation

[eager briar]

I know in reality we were named after Hayden. I’m talking about lore and story wise since dark sector isn’t Canon.

[dark compass]

I know, sorry, I'm not funny enough

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-crying-kitten-crying-05starrynight-gif-10141647709992578610

[fast dew]

Hayden? Like Samuel hayden?!?!?!

https://tenor.com/view/samuel-hayden-destroyed-gif-26781526

[woven coyote]

Uhm acshually one is a surname and the other is a first name

[pale cedar]

One is a surname
The other is a nickname based on another thing

[woven coyote]

Meant the hayden part thomas sent just above lol

[pale cedar]

lol

[strange turtle]

Clearly Hayden Tenno is Samuel Hayden’s ancestor

[fast dew]

He is called hayden by the community

[fast dew]

Unfortunately thats impossible 😭

[woven coyote]

I was just trying to do a funny

[fast dew]

Samuel is genuinely as old as the living multiverse minus a few thousand years

[dark compass]

Samuel "I was just holding back" Hayden

[pale cedar]

Who do you think is a better fighter Samuel Hayden or Hayden Tenno?

[dark compass]

You can't argue against the blades

[fast dew]

Well, one has the BFG10k

[dark compass]

Can he actually shoot it

[fast dew]

Not the 9000, the 10,000

... yes, he can. He's was ablebodied until recently

He can also just boink someone w the demonic crucible

[dark compass]

But can he make my life worth living

[fast dew]

I mean uh

Without him we wouldn't have a doom slayer

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-dance-cat-shake-dance-cat-wiggle-shake-gif-7275729331624892207

[fast dew]

He is very much like Albrecht in that regard. Big catalyst to the shit that happened

Thats kinda where the similarities end

Ones trying to atone for his actions. The other sees no issue with his, even if it killed literal thousands.

[eager briar]

Where is the lotus? Is she on our ship?

My best guess that she’s hanging in the reservoir

[stiff fable]

She's on Lua

The Chamber of the Lotus is a secret area hidden way beneath Lua's crust

[stiff beacon]

yea beneath the reservoir or at least one of them

[humble sierra]

Right now she's in the sanctum

Loid: "The Daughter of Hunhow seems content to guide your missions from here."

Sounds like she doesn't leave.

[stiff fable]

yes

But I wasn't sure how far in the game they are

But yes, once you finish Lotus Eaters you can permanently find Lotus at the Sanctum Anatomica

[celest needle]

Ok so how could Ballas have gotten the idea for some warframes like Mesa and Styanax

Mesa is based on a wildly dead concept of a wild western gunlinsger and by then I'm sure that specific history would be almost extinct
And I'm not sure how much ancient history that isn't mythology survived into the Orokin era

[woven coyote]

I guess both are "warrior" stereotypes so maybe they kept that kinda archive around

Radiation wars aside i think i remember drifter mentioning they intentionally erased parts of history so it shouldn't be too far fetched if they kept some records selectively

[silk atlas]

That, and we can still find stuff from ruined civilizations in many different manners

[proper barn]

I think they have "Myths" and legends and such.

Like hydroid is a pirate that summons a kraken.

[stiff beacon]

a dart board and sticky notes

[stray mango]

So I just started playing today and wanted to see if I had a grasp on things

A bajillion years in the future, a vaguely Japanese inspired immortal race achieve tier 2 civilization, but their futuristic chatgpt goes crazy and almost kills them, so they take a bunch of brain damaged kids to use as child soldiers who control living machines… that are arising once again in a techno hellscape solar system.

[raw stone]

Checking in if this is relevant; Nora's idle lines mentions something a basement calling for help?

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-sprodling-nokko-mushroom-shroom-gif-9963654544858876861

[raw stone]

That is not relevant?

I'll try to actually listen in on what her line was. Might be here for awhile.

[celest needle]

I think that one is about the deepmines

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-nokko-sprodling-mushroom-dance-gif-16172882315547387467

[olive salmon]

Unless I’m mistaken, she also mentions “laughter” or “laughing” in said message. The laughter is a reference to the sprodlings.

[proper barn]

Yes

[raw stone]

I never seem to hear the actual message due to the fact that I think its Message 0 in the roster now, so it plays right before I actually load in Orbiter.

Buncha Grineer chatter uuggggghhh and the wiki is not updated to include this new line either

[stiff beacon]

like 75% of that is correct

[stiff fable]

I'd say 40

[stray mango]

Sweeet. What am I off base about

[stiff fable]

The Orokin were more Greco-Roman
Their robot slaves were terraforming machines
The Tenno don't have brain damage
The Warframes aren't machines

[stray mango]

So I may have been using hyperbole

[stiff beacon]

and its less of a techno hellscape more of theres advanced shit everywhere but like 25% works

[stray mango]

But I appreciate it. Also Greco Roman is interesting, I only get that vibe from a handful of skins I’ve seen

[ashen pulsar]

Woah how far did you go lol

[stiff fable]

uhhhhhh yeahh okay hold on

[stiff beacon]

and everything is weak to conventual weapons

[stiff fable]

The Warframes weren't on-theme with the Orokin

[celest needle]

And every faction is some kind of Chaotic evil to Neutral Chaotic

[stray mango]

Sounds like modern automobiles 😃

[stiff fable]

Their civ is very Greco-Roman, the Warframes run the gamut

[stray mango]

Ok

[stiff fable]

Tenno culture (which is distinct from Orokin culture) is vaguely Japanese

[stray mango]

Ahhh

[stiff fable]

But it's tonal and not material

[stray mango]

I was conflating them

[olive salmon]

The Warframes kind of are machines, excluding Proto-frames and Umbra, which are exceptions to this, rather than the norm. Excluding Umbra and the Proto-frames (the latter as NPCs), your run of the mill Warframe goes into a standby mode when Operator/Drifter transfers consciousness out of them.

[stiff fable]

Easy mistake. We were very thorough in erasing their remnants.

[stiff fable]

As far as we're aware that's more a choice on their part

They prefer quiessence.

[stray mango]

Is living machines not what that would be then? 🤔

[stiff fable]

How far are you in the game

[stray mango]

Not far lmao. Mercury

[stiff fable]

well unless you want spoilers...

[proper barn]

don't stay here too long cuz you might see some spoliers.

[stray mango]

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[raw stone]

At least two deepmines lines from Nora now.

[raw stone]

Ooh yeah. We are not tellinf you jack all about Warframes. Yet.

Even just learning what Warframes are is just the barrel to a Tiberon. You never seen the chamber yet.

[stray mango]

Google will be my savior till then “what is this (no spoilers)”

[raw stone]

Remember to do "-ai" mon cher.

The ai spoils stuff. Constantly.

[stray mango]

I prefer a drip feed even if it’s not directly from the game

Oh and yea, ai will say “here’s the story spoiler free” and then it’s all spoilers. Which is bonkers given how generative ai is supposed to work

[raw stone]

Fair enough fair enough. Odd thing I notice is that Saya's Vigil is removed from Warframe Quests despite being about a Warframe.

[stiff fable]

.....scraping reddit out of context?

[stray mango]

Probably

[stiff fable]

and github I guess

anyway

swap to DuckDuckGo

[stray mango]

Still better than trying to read a wiki tho

I stopped doing that when watching peacemaker bc I spoiled some stuff trying to read up on a character

[stiff fable]

lol

You either have to go full blackout or accept you're going to be spoiled everywhere

[stray mango]

Pretty much. That’s why I think vague questions here are about the only thing I should look at

[stiff fable]

yep

[tall echo]

Tbf you've already spoiled yourself like. A ton

[stray mango]

Tbh that was just general knowledge. The game has been out for like 12 years

[tall echo]

It's a very niche game with even more niche lore so... no

[stray mango]

What I’m saying is I knew that all before I decided to play it

Not public knowledge sorry, general knowledge of mine

[tall echo]

You already know one of the most major twists so that's fun

F

Hope you enjoy the rest tho

[stray mango]

That it’s not a suit?

Idrk what the twist was lol

[stiff beacon]

it is

[stray mango]

In that case don’t tell me 😭

Bc idk what I don’t know

[stiff beacon]

just dont worry about it

[tall echo]

The child soldier thing is the twist

[stray mango]

Oops

I highkey do not recall where I learned that information

But I truly do appreciate you guys being conservative about explain things to new players

It’s very considerate

[tall echo]

[stiff beacon]

dont worry if we spoil anything its gonna be indirect as hell

like im talking its a "you know the thing" type of thing

[stray mango]

Well that’s how it feels anything bc I am entirely without context lol

[stiff beacon]

good

[stray mango]

I am enjoying it though. I’m just a sci fi buff

My Tenno looks cheesy as heck but it’s fun

Also nice pfp lol. I have a touhou style plushie of Ranni

[tall echo]

...your tenno?

How quickly are you progressing

Or do you mean your warframe

[stray mango]

Sorry yea warframe

Looks like the Venus flytrap guy from Fortnite 😭

[gilded sky]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-no-excuse-gif-24460693

[celest needle]

• AI spoiler free summary
• Looks inside
  ||- "Lotus worked with the sentients"||

I was at Natah 😭

[proper barn]

Don't use Ai.

It's a lie machine.

[stray mango]

Yea yea 80% of the time that is 100% a fact

[proper barn]

I mean a lot of the ||1999 plot|| is about how ai is bad lmao.

Anytime I've looked up anything about warframe the Google Ai has been wrong lmao.

[stiff fable]

I disabled ai search on my devices. Next time I see them I'll do the same for my family members

[proper barn]

Yee

[mystic lynx]

How did you do that btw?
Browser extension?

[stiff fable]

For search, you actually input a "custom" search engine that's google with something extra at the end

In the settings menu

do a (heh) search for it and you should find it

for personal use I switched to DDG and turned off duck AI

[stray mango]

I’ve found google ai to be the worst culprit of any when researching things

It just constantly pulls wrong information, and then changes it if you refresh the page (often still incorrect)

[dark compass]

The dumbest thing is when it pulls reddit comments as a source of information

[stiff fable]

"Glue is a common pizza ingredient"

anyway yeah I blocked it and lobotomized copilot on my desktop

[dark compass]

I also blocked and lobotomized my copilot

[stray mango]

GPT will do this too, but it will make sure to tell you that it’s using Reddit as a source and that the answer is not definite because of this

[dark compass]

... on my desktop yeah

https://tenor.com/view/demon-cat-scary-cat-demon-scary-cat-gif-26356229

[dark compass]

Wouldn't know, never even tried it

[proper barn]

probably shouldn't use that either.

you can just look at the first reddit post on google

at that point.

[stray mango]

But he’s my buddy ‘ol pal

[dark compass]

☹️

[stray mango]

Lol

[mystic lynx]

DDG is banned in my country 😭

@celest needle i tried that it works 95% of the time tho

[waxen mesa]

so did Fibonacci (accidentally) kill Minn?

because Tagfer really does imply it was somewhat Fibonacci's fault

[dark compass]

Have you finished their story?

[waxen mesa]

no 😔

[dark compass]

Well you'll learn then

[old dome]

...is this a good time to ask a stupid goofy silly unserious question?

[waxen mesa]

yes

[old dome]

since koumei's whole thing is gambling (to read people's fates... somehow??),, do yall think gacha games exist or are the games like, very 90s?

[waxen mesa]

i'd say no

[dark compass]

In the modern world of warframe?

[waxen mesa]

the world got pretty screwed up shortly after 1999

[old dome]

yes... i did say its an unserious question.
-# im sleep deprived.

[dark compass]

If there are fighting games available that you can play, then I'd say there are more games

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-bnp-better-name-pending-esports-frame-fighter-gif-19010597

If you didn't know, you can buy a game console from Simaris and from him as well get a playable fighting game

[dark compass]

Well the answer is that the game Industry exists

[old dome]

yes,, but how advanced are the games??

[dark compass]

So I'm sure there's a horrible corpus gacha everyone plays

[dark compass]

Frame Fighter is technically "photorealistic"

[old dome]

like... vr??

[dark compass]

Since you're playing it with in-game graphics

[dark compass]

Not sure about that

[old dome]

📝📝📝📝📝

[waxen mesa]

Simaris programmed that himself

so i figure as far as video games go. what you see in game is all there is

[old dome]

oho??

man's a gamer??

[barren jasper]

fr? Where is that mentioned

[dark compass]

Simaris uses corpus text in their games?

[celest needle]

Profit Impact

[waxen mesa]

KIM chat

[dark compass]

Yeah, Profit Impact

[barren jasper]

oh cool

[dark compass]

I'm sure anyone can make a game for it

Profit Impact will be the game of our generation

[mystic lynx]

All the gacha character is just major corpus character like anyo and salad

[dark compass]

Character rarity is divided by market shares

[waxen mesa]

Limited time event!

10,000 credit banner to get Warm Season Venus Nef Anyo

[celest needle]

All of the bosses are horribly flanderized Warframes andd Tenno

[waxen mesa]

slightly more serious qustion. What do you think Corpus anti-tenno propaganda is like?

[dark compass]

Some of them call us betrayers

So most likely the Orokin type of "they were meant to guard us" or something like that

[mystic lynx]

Actually it'll make more sense if the game is like mmorpg raid

With the tenno as a raid boss

[waxen mesa]

Do you think Anyo ever tries to pin Deck 12 on the tenno?

[old dome]

nah, too little. bump it to 500,000.

[dark compass]

I don't think there's a good reason to pin down the fact you have managed to crush a rebellion on someone else

[waxen mesa]

"tenno kill innocents. don't work with them" would be a good scare tactic

[dark compass]

I mean that would work either way, you're just doing your corpus job

[old dome]

but the corpus also kill innocents so idt it works as propaganda...

[dark compass]

But deck 12 was a glorious success™, I'm sure of it

That would be more of a propaganda piece than anything

Spinning a rising rebellion into how good you are at destroying it

[celest needle]

What do grineer do to pass the time

You know you're stationed on the plains for like hours on end, got nothing to do

[waxen mesa]

train

[dark compass]

Playing "got your nose" with a ghoul (the nose came off)

[waxen mesa]

they do seem to have personal relationships with eachother

Kahl isn't THAT unique and he seems to genuinely care for the other grineer

[dark compass]

Yeah, they're still people

Cloned a billion times but still people

[waxen mesa]

so they very well could just hang out with eachother

[dark compass]

They have Rathuum for entertainment as well

[mystic lynx]

Does female grineer just genetically modified to be female of the original grineer or a different woman cloned?

[dark compass]

All Grineer generations are usually cloned from some original Grineer

[celest needle]

@HanumTaza

[dark compass]

So most likely the original cloned Grineer was female

Then their original clone was female

Then their own was too...

And we play the game of catch up until we find the original clone that deviated(if they can do that)

Or the engineered orokin one

[waxen mesa]

i always got the impression that female grineer were the superior varieties

natually stronger and tougher

[dark compass]

A lot of them are the heavily modified ones

That's definitely noticeable

[waxen mesa]

the fact the grineer has female leaders is another point to that...point

[dark compass]

They were purposely designed as labor force by orokin, then repurposed for war

Who knows what was the original process like

[dark compass]

Ehh, Vay Hek exists. I don't think it's something that matters

[stoic oriole]

hey guys, since the next update will bring Protowisp and protoharrow from lua does that mean we will see alternate dimension elanor as operator? or because its the same timeline as 1999 it doesnt count?

[dark compass]

But also the personal guard of the queens are all female

[lean garden]

alternate dimension elanor as operator
Not even a chance

[dark compass]

So not a null point entirely

[waxen mesa]

I don't think she lives long enough to see humanity colonize Lua

[stoic oriole]

no i mean our operator will meet nun eleanor*

[lean garden]

I mean, their female leaders arent even originally grineer so like I dont think thats a point to support your idea

[stoic oriole]

oh true

[lean garden]

I said what I said

Not even a chance

Aint even in the same timeline

[stoic oriole]

protoelanor nun skin when

[dark compass]

Sorry but you already got Wisp

[waxen mesa]

I wanna see protonidus 😏

[stoic oriole]

it's the guy who started covid 1999

[dark compass]

Proto Nidus with unraveling body parts

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wtf-wtf-cat-shocked-shocked-cat-gif-16097802352571672167

[stoic oriole]

it would be funny if protonidus was just a normal dude in a mech, no infestation whatsoever to throw off the expectation.

[dark compass]

And then his legs, hands, and head open up

To reveal an infested mass

[stoic oriole]

now that would be freaky

[stoic oriole]

john carpenter the thing moment

[stiff beacon]

no mech he's just a dude with military kit

looks like hayden tenno

isnt hayden tenno

[dark compass]

"I often get mistaken for someone else"

[stoic oriole]

whos haden tenno

[stiff beacon]

and when he gets to ten stacks he goes full john carpenter

[stiff beacon]

play dark sector

warframes older brother

[stoic oriole]

oh i looked it up

[stiff beacon]

right i forgot the lotus symbol is just plastered everwhere in darksector even chunky jackel over here

[stoic oriole]

you guys know how we have incarnons (void angel themed stuff) you think we're gonna get a devil equivalent

for the stuff that didnt get an incarnon

seeing uriel is coming out

/devils triad

[celest needle]

Nah

[strange plinth]

evil incarnon turns good weapons into stug

[celest needle]

Incarnons are meant to make weaker weapons more powerful and add a new layer

For what they are I don't see how there could be an alternative system

[stiff fable]

I can think of a few ways. Tauron adapters, mostly.

Rank up as you gain focus with the weapon.

[strange plinth]

that could be interesting, actually

[proper barn]

I mean incarnons are just void themed stuff. Like all the ones in duviri are literally just Calvero like doing some what's the word. When emotions turn into reality.

It's that with his ideas on how to make old sucky weapons good.

[stiff fable]

I thought he said he didn't know where they came from?

[stoic oriole]

what if they do something where its aking to a "deal with the devil" and its some orokin technology that makes a weapon different with trade offs, like low crit for high status or something

[proper barn]

No?

[stoic oriole]

im just throwing stuff out there that i thought would be cool

[stiff fable]

Yep I'm wrong

Well, in my extensive downtime, I've been having thoughts about weapons. How I could upgrade 'em. Give 'em a sprinkle of Void magic. And guess what? The Void did what the Void does. Took my ideas and made them real. How about that.

[proper barn]

I could find it.@stiff fable

[stoic oriole]

now we just need to void to gift me 1000p

[proper barn]

Also it's conceptual embodiment.

[strange plinth]

go..
-# how do i turn conceptual embodiment into a verb
manifest it yourself /s

[scenic herald]

Yo guys u think if gauss goes so fast he can go back in time like the flash?

[strange plinth]

probably not
and it would be a lot of effort for something that's possible through other, less intensive means

[scenic herald]

Hmm but like gauss can slow down time like the flash and use kinetic energy wouldn’t that kinetic energy help him with his speed making going back in time easier

[strange plinth]

gauss doesn't slow time?
idk if the flash can either, though
but gauss is just fast, no time manipulation going on

[stoic oriole]

gauss is fast cause his engine constatnly makes him feel like he needs to use the restroom

[scenic herald]

Yhmmmm

[south nimbus]

I like to think The Man In The Wall is actually the melting of every single god into one god that went insane without worship because the people worshipped the Orokin instead of him and erased all traces of him to make sure he doesn’t get any, they erased it so well there kin didn’t know about him until Entrati

[strange plinth]

an interesting concept but i don't think there's much proof of it relating to wally

[south nimbus]

I know

It’s still so bizarre and I really want the next plot line after tau to be about the history that the Orokin erased

What kind of war or drama or tragedies happened before the orokins that they personally considered so messed up they erased all of history

[stiff fable]

It's not about that. It's about pulling a 1984.

Change what people know about history and you can control what they can imagine.

"We have always been at war with Eurasia"

In this case, erase the pre-Orokin records and within a generation people ONLY know a universe where the Orokin rule

[south nimbus]

Yeah but I want to know what could have possibly took to get in power

[stiff fable]

I mean, scaldra is a dry run

[stiff beacon]

he's the kinetic energy frame, so dude acts like a railgun

[stiff fable]

We already know they refine them into the Dax

[strange plinth]

figuring out kuva n continuity is probably the proper "start" of the empire

[south nimbus]

What if the Orokin are descendants of a royal family

[stiff fable]

They are

[stiff beacon]

unlikely

rich assholes most likely

[stiff fable]

But also the descendents of the politicians, business leaders, old money etc etc etc

It's the entire upper class banding together to proclaim themselves godkings

[south nimbus]

This would then mean that they possibly erased history as they know it repeats itself

Which therefore after means there was most likely a war against these people that was brutal and left all big important landmarks gone and destroyed as, why do we never see them? And only operate on one side of the earth

THIS ALWAYS BOTHERED ME.

[stiff beacon]

considering 3 things they had their grubby smurf mits on eventually tried and or killed them yea

[strange plinth]

i mean, there's at least 18 radiation wars between 1999 and the zariman incident
a decent portion of that probably happened on earth

[stiff beacon]

not to mention earth was an infested hell hole for a hot minute

[strange plinth]

yup

[south nimbus]

What if hypothetically protoframee somehow lived until they got killed in the radiation wars or got assassinated in the rebellion times?

[strange plinth]

most likely died in the radiation wars at the latest
(except for flare/temple)

[south nimbus]

Yet another reason to erase history LOWK we should start making our books inflammable and impenetrable or anyway of being destroyed

[proper barn]

I mean flare and temple live lmao.

OH and a 3rd being.

If you don't know it kinda ruins her story lmao.

that's not what paradox means.

[south nimbus]

Mb

I was thinking something dum

[proper barn]

lmao

it's okay happens to all of us.

also yeah there is a Protoframe that is still themselves that can go to current Day.

[celest needle]

I imagine Temple is a total mystery to every Orokin

Ballas only made concepts

And I don't think anyone knows Entrati stole a bit of it

Just a random rockstar warframe just appeared from comet one day

[strange plinth]

it would certainly be a sight

[south nimbus]

A temple is an everlasting monument of human creation, a simple yet beautiful design showing human creativity and perseverance, a statue that shall never fall.

Or smth like tha

[barren jasper]

im dissapointed that DE hasn't introduced any more tenno to us in game, like we see kids on the zariman before we take the deal and we hear about rell. lbut otus never talks about anyone else, there's no tenno syndicate, we don't hear about any of the tenno from nora night, just would like to see literally anyone

[celest needle]

We are the tenno though, the other people we play with are those other tenno in current era

[barren jasper]

I'd like an official character bc nobody else is really ever mentioned. it never feels like a team effort with stuff that's going on in the world

[strange plinth]

limited time events are really the only time that other players are acknowledged as other tenno for lore purposes

[barren jasper]

oh that's nice to know at least

[strange plinth]

naming the 3(?) other tenno you interact with in tnw only for them to never show up again is interesting, though. kinda curious if they'll show in old peace

[barren jasper]

i doubt it :(

[fast dew]

Rell is a tenno, but wasn't a tenno, yk? He had the same stuff but wasn't with us for the majority of everything

[strange plinth]

got kicked out for The Autism /s
-# and maybe blinding margulis who knows that's kinda still unclear

[barren jasper]

it feels weird to just hear of other tenno but literally never see them, we see a rhino in new war but who was behind that? did lotus wake them up? what happened after their frame died, where have they been

[fast dew]

New frame probably

Or they dragged the broken one to helminth

[barren jasper]

just feels like every other tenno is just legend still idk

[strange plinth]

basic rhino w/ no customization holding a corinth prime for some damn reason

[fast dew]

Tenno aren't that common in the grand scheme of things

[stiff beacon]

yea considering tenno are like nuclear warheads

[fast dew]

Even if there was a few thousand tenno, that is genuinely a super, super small amount of people

[stiff fable]

canonically there are 300K or something

based on how many people participated in the Fortuna ARG

[fast dew]

Were did those numbers come from?

... oh i uh

[stiff fable]

There's an old voiceline from... Biz?

[fast dew]

Don't think that exactly counts

[stiff fable]

No, it's in game

[strange plinth]

i'd say the zariman arg number is more accurate
which is something like 4 to 5 digits

based on letter spacing

[stiff fable]

Ah, no, got it

extra digit, it's 50K

The specific number was mentioned by Biz post-event

So probably the number of Tenno active and in-game on a weekly basis is the number of Tenno, period

[fast dew]

Id go on the newer number tbh

I for some reason doubt that there was 300,000 children on the Zariman

[stiff fable]

I'd say that'd be a lowball tbh

[fast dew]

... no

[stiff fable]

The Zariman was meant to be a self-sustaining colony upon arrival to Tau

[fast dew]

Yeah, so why waste place on children that cannot do shit

[stiff fable]

You'd need at least 300k people to form the basis of a second generation of colonists

they weren't going to terraform tau in a year, it was going to be a few decades minimum

I'd guess at least a century

Anyway Gargoyle's Cry emails confirmed that dojos are canon, as are clans with thousands of tenno

so 50k is the lower bound and the actual full player base is the upper bound

[proper barn]

It had to have people enough to Colonize a WHOLE SYSTEM.

[barren jasper]

they also weren't just accepting everyone

"We are proud to announce that you have been selected for a top-priority colonisation assignment aboard the Zariman Ten Zero. You and <REDACTED> other citizens were evaluated against billions of qualified applicants, and determined to be the best candidates to pioneer the future of the Orokin Empire.

You will join the crew of the Zariman Ten Zero and establish our first colony in the Tau System, and with it, the beginning of a new chapter for our great civilisation."

"first colony" implying there would be multiple trips, right?

[stiff fable]

More of a beachhead thing, no?

Terraform the planet(s), build the solar rail

Not that there'd be multiple trips

[barren jasper]

that's what the sentients were for right?

[lean garden]

Thats what the rail they were building was for yes

[strange plinth]

yes, but the orokin got impatient n sent the zariman as well
they'd probably also be equipped to build the rail?

[lean garden]

I think now with what we know the Zariman was never intended to build a rail

all that talk about comfort of an extra solar rail would have been about the sentients trudging along

[strange plinth]

fair point
was just thinking, why send a colony ship because the rail's taking too long if you're just going to wait for the rail again

[stiff fable]

Yeah exactly

[strange plinth]

ig some infrastructure is already set up
but i don't think it'd take that long to do with solar rail support

[lean garden]

you can get jumpstarted on the colony

And like, if the jump works I figure that once the colony is established the zariman itself could ferry the orokin while the rail was being built

[lofty quarry]

do you think it's more probable that after we deal with wally and completely close the current saga's affairs that DE will actually introduce actual aliens?
because I think they'd rather lean even more into the void, like us discovering there's more wally's there but our wally was like a toddler to them, both in understanding and capabilities

[silk atlas]

There's still a ton of problems we have in the Origin System and that'd frankly spit in the fact of how well they've been keeping the story localized to mostly the Origin System anyway

[lofty quarry]

well they announced tau

so outside of origin system content is coming

there's also the venato prime description but that might be just a red herring

also Albrecht might just start rebuilding the orokin empire after everything and be just a new full on enemy but I think that'd be borign

[silk atlas]

Tau was also something they've mentioned repeatedly through the game's story and has preceedence for getting stuff elaborated on. Some third unrelated system or just "oops theres stuff worse than Wally" feels super cheap

[strange plinth]

how would albrecht start rebuilding the empire when ballas barely did

[lofty quarry]

we only now got info that tau is a planet

which is kinda a bummer

because everyone thought it's a system

[strange plinth]

tau has been referred to as both a planet and a system from the same recent source (KIM chats)

[lofty quarry]

oh?

I've missed anything non-planet

[strange plinth]

hm. maybe i'm misremembering
a couple mention a different system but don't refer to it as tau

[celest needle]

The New New War

[lofty quarry]

I can see merit to that being treated as cheap

I am also aware that I'm kinda biased as a huge lovecraftian works enjoyer

so I'll always like more shit like that

[strange plinth]

a couple vague mentions where it could be planet or system, but mostly (and explicitly) planet
proven wrong by my own fact-checking

[lofty quarry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/950650769131053056.webp?size=48&name=Khy_chad

fact checking

[strange plinth]

tbf there's been a ton of stuff with vague "could be aliens!" lines (granted, most of those are implying sentients/tau more directly)
venato prime is recent and the most direct of them, though
i'd hope that they stick with the 'no aliens' rule

[lofty quarry]

yes 'no aliens' is a refreshing thing in a space opera

so I'd like t o keep that

but I'm not sure how possible that is longterm

[celest needle]

and an actual sense of scale

[mostly]

[lofty quarry]

mostly

[pale cedar]

Games survived 12 years without them just fine

[lofty quarry]

yeah but it was also designed to be without a story

[celest needle]

huh?

[lofty quarry]

they only recently formed an actual writing team

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[lofty quarry]

yea introduction of the natah->tsd bit was an experiment

lore/worldbuilding =/= story

they didn't know whether ppl will like it in their hack and slash or not

that's like confirmed by Steve and Reb multiple times

[pale cedar]

Second Dream was proof they could do it

So there’s been a story without them just fine for more years than most have been playing the game

[lofty quarry]

and I hope there will be no aliens still

[pale cedar]

They literally have it as a rule to have no aliens

[lofty quarry]

but they're becoming more and more probable from a "this is a live service game" perspective

at some point another bullshit that escaped from alad v's lab will be boring

which is why I think they might lean more into void and more wally's being there

[pale cedar]

Void war arc

Still no aliens

[lofty quarry]

bro stop with those aliens

they weren't even the main point of this ongoing talk

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1279464098425209014.webp?size=48&name=KEKW

I started yapping about "what might come after we deal with wally and close the void war saga affairs"

[celest needle]

The sentients

[lofty quarry]

think both of those will happen at the same time

since we're going to tau

[celest needle]

the main arc currently is the void war with [I think] The Old Peace is closing off

[old dome]

why is everyone obsessed w aliens (not) existing in wf??

[pale cedar]

After that there’s still Third Orb with the Narmer drone hovering over it

Raids which DE have had on a board for a while

Parvos is getting more and more stuff lately so we might get even more Parvos stuff

[celest needle]

Cause every other setting has aliens

to explain all of its different factions and stuff

[lofty quarry]

big doubt that the old peace is closing void war arc

we're still in prep phase imo

[pale cedar]

Old Peace is giving us a reason to go to Tau to find Albrecht

So it literally isn’t the end

[celest needle]

I mean like

next arc after the old peace is the Tau arc

so would it be considered its own seperate arc like how the new war is separate from the Natah arc

[pale cedar]

Doubt it

[strange plinth]

"mini" arc inside of void war arc

[pale cedar]

It’s still apart of the Void war arc cuz Albrecht

And I doubt just finding Albrecht deals with the main antagonist of the arc

[celest needle]

I wonder how long the void war arc will take to wrap up

The Natah-New War arc took 8 years to wrap up

[pale cedar]

All we know is before it started they planned 5 years in advance

There’s also less delays with Rebb in charge and Covid isn’t a big factor anymore

[lofty quarry]

unless covid 2 electric boogaloo happens

[pale cedar]

Covid 2025

[lofty quarry]

but yeah I think we'll see steady progress

I just want Albrecht to finally say something of mucking substance

and not just aurafarm all the time

[pale cedar]

It’s definitely a longer arc than last time as New War arc was 3 quests starting after Sacrifice

We’ve already had 3 quests in this arc with Old Peace and Tau 2026 to be added

[lofty quarry]

I doubt we'll get another tnw tier quest though

don't think they'll want to do it again

and you could easily see tnw being cut into like 3 smaller chunk updates like we're getting now

[pale cedar]

I doubt DE want to make another 5 hour quest

Or at least not for a while

[lofty quarry]

which is imo why tnw arc feels longer

it's very bottom heavyi

instead of being evenly spread out

[pale cedar]

Yeah, with Void War it is probably gonna be multiple smaller quests instead

And the one event we have had so far

[celest needle]

The Void war has introduced a lot of new components with each quest

compared to the new war arc, we have

The Zariman map, Incarnons, void flood, void cascade,
Sanctum, new archon shards, the murmer, cavia,
Ascension, Jade, and a few new arcanes
Hollvania map, The Hex, KIM, Scaldra, Techrot, Technocyte Coda,

Natah, Chains of Harrow and The Sacrifice didn't really introduce anything that substantial [in comparison to the Void Arc quests]

[tall echo]

Old peace:

[dark compass]

Do we know if it's a similar type of mission?

[tall echo]

It's supposedly a very long quest

[swift sentinel]

Next DevStream is going over the Perita Rebellion game mode, I think

[strange plinth]

i'd guess it's around as long as the hex
meant to be the other path after lotus eaters

[tall echo]

(Which is a post-quest thing)

[dark compass]

Starting The Old Peace and getting hit with a 20 pages long warning message

[hollow siren]

idk if Old Peace will be TNW length, but Tau 2026 might be

Narmer just hogging all the quest length

[lofty quarry]

very long quest currently is duviri or the hex length

[dark compass]

we cant fight it, they got archon continuity

[hollow siren]

plus Nira's Hatred

[narrow pendant]

cant wait to go to tau and get primed/tauron adaptation trust

tauron surest footed: after entering bleedout and getting revived you adapt to death