lore-discussion

[fast dew]

Seriously though the hell did Roathe do to annoy him that much

They use the kim system in the sanctum 😭

[stiff fable]

But they sure could in 2799

[restive river]

They leave the exile and use the pom-2 in the labs

We know that

[fast dew]

Which is like

[restive river]

There is a giant portal like
30 steps from the pom-2?

[fast dew]

Its so weird that roathe is supposed to be trapped there

When he could just leave for the pom-2

[restive river]

I think the portal wasn’t active til we do whatever we needed and he’s further held back either by another force or limited by the other two members of the triad

Also even if he left by this point what’s he gonna do?

[fast dew]

Lyon holding Roathe down as roathe makes weird feral noises

[restive river]

He’s slowly transforming into a frame, stuck in a void ridden basement on an infested moon

[fast dew]

Kinda like how I'd imagine bathing kalymos would be like

[restive river]

Roathe and Kalymos
They hate baths

Actually Roathe wants the descendia bath

[humble sierra]

I think the Devstream did say "further back [than 1999]". Only mentioning that because someone mentioned it to me when I said that it could theoretically be 4399

[fast dew]

She'd need one, she also needs a moisturiser

And sunscreen

And clothes

[restive river]

Nah those are built in

[fast dew]

ew

[restive river]

Also she kinda has clothes

[fast dew]

She has clothes in that concept art

[restive river]

Kavats are genetically modified by the Orokin so like

[fast dew]

A little jacket

[restive river]

She doesn’t really need clothes

[fast dew]

I mean, they still have fur, kalymos doesn't

[stiff beacon]

well i mean at least he's not on the moon

[restive river]

She’s immune to the infested and can eat it, she’s fine

[fast dew]

She is just skin

[humble sierra]

Skin and Void

[fast dew]

She can be immune to it and still get sunburns 😭

[restive river]

He’s in a moon rather than on the moon
Better for us
Worse for him

[stiff beacon]

the ones on the derelicts have scales

[restive river]

Well thats why I’m saying its built in

She likely has UV resistant skin

[woven coyote]

Do you remember when that was said?

[restive river]

She’s not some wild cat, she’s the cat of a renowned Orokin lol

[fast dew]

Im treating her like a sphynx cat, She's gonna need skincare smh

God skin infections would be horrid in that other furless species

All those wrinkles

Bound to get infections

[stiff fable]

look kavats are immune to the infestation

[restive river]

And I’m saying the Orokin likely solved those problems :p

[stiff fable]

No WAY anything smaller than that bugs her

[restive river]

If anyone would it would be the oh so loving cat dad that is Albrecht

[fast dew]

I mean, bacteria is still gonna grow in skinfolds

[restive river]

Nah she’s built different

[humble sierra]

No, sorry. Hell, it might not even have been said, it could just be that the guy I was talking to couldn't handle losing the argument

[restive river]

Lmaoo

[stiff fable]

I don't believe they said either way

[fast dew]

Her saliva is antibacterial or some shit??? And the hyekkas are the ones im talking about

[stiff fable]

stuck to XX99

[fast dew]

The grineer are not caring for them

[stiff fable]

and "elsewhere" in time

[restive river]

I mean going by the architecture and how they speak, it’s likely not the future

But we’ll see
Or
We may not

[stiff fable]

Ever read Canticle for Leibowitz?

[restive river]

It’s xx99 for a reason, they may not want us to know other than it was a 99

[stiff fable]

I think it's going to be a direct reference

[fast dew]

Yall ever shiver so hard that you're entire body shakes

[humble sierra]

I'm still a firm believer it's like 4399 or something and they just returned to gothic style, or we'll just never know

[humble sierra]

I do it sometimes when getting goosebumps of excitement

[fast dew]

Albrecht appreciating the cathedrals of france, as he should

[stiff fable]

Canticle is about a church where they're preserving ancient texts from their patron saint

Who was a normal dude in the 20th century who worked as an engineer before the nukes dropped

And just so happened to preserve a few technical manuals

[fast dew]

I get weird when im excited. I was infodumping to someone at college today and i ended up just falling over

Trying to explain how Albrecht is a homosexual and my legs just went nope

[stiff fable]

the twist is that the future world had reverted to a medieval style world due to the technological and environmental collapse brought up by global thermonuclear war

[restive river]

I wonder what Rebb ment by him going to a consistent era and how it’s always a 99

[fast dew]

Autism fixations or whatever/j

[restive river]

I think I mentioned this before but l just throw it out again
Could 99 relate to ending as we began at all?

[stiff fable]

It's also one of the direct inspirations for Mad Max Wasteland/Fallout/the post-apocalyptic genre

[restive river]

It’s an end that leads into a beginning???

[humble sierra]

1999 was the sum of some calculation

[woven coyote]

Interesting, suppose it wouldnt be a stretch to say 40k might also have been inspired by that

[stiff fable]

It led to the beginning of the Orokin Era

[restive river]

His alchemical calculations in the netracells, yes

[fast dew]

Im a firm believer of neurodivergent Albrecht. Be that ptsd or otherwise

[stiff fable]

oh, hundred percent

[restive river]

Or at least to the radiation wars which then likely lead to that

[fast dew]

Radwars...like... like fallout..

[restive river]

No

[fast dew]

Yes i know ducky

[restive river]

I mean
Maybe but

[fast dew]

😭

[restive river]

Unfortunately fallout did not have the infestation, it got close tho

[fast dew]

Im just being silly, shoulda explained that

[stiff fable]

Warframe is post post post post post post post post post apocalyptic

add another post for each Radiation War

[fast dew]

It does have the FEV but like that's it

[restive river]

You need like 9 more posts in there

[stiff fable]

At minimum

[woven coyote]

This reminded me to check on a very important webcomic (to me at least)

[fast dew]

FEV in warframe... how scary would that be?

[restive river]

I vaguely remember a character from
I wanna say 2 that was some skin attached to a computer

[stiff fable]

Sluggy Freelance?

[fast dew]

Ballas would like it

[stiff fable]

Not

[fast dew]

1, and that's i think the master?

[restive river]

Warframes and the tenno sweep everything in fallout

[stiff fable]

Solaris literally chop off their heads and stick them in a hollowed out chest cavity

[fast dew]

Or am i bein an idiot and mixing AM to that fella

[stiff fable]

A little human mutation with a side of immortality is nothing

[restive river]

Thank you for remembering random meat computer man :]

[stiff fable]

no you're right

[fast dew]

2 had the enclave as the main evil fella

Or, fellas

[stiff fable]

oil rig

[fast dew]

I like fo2

[restive river]

All I know is I think 1 had bisexual people and that’s awesome

[fast dew]

2 had us being a male... uh

[restive river]

Anyway
Warframe

[strange plinth]

i love random meat computer man
-# seriously his speech gimmick is fascinating to me for some reason

[fast dew]

The first 2 games were made by Tim Cain, a gay man

So you'd hope so

[stiff fable]

Also made at Interplay

[fast dew]

That too

But yes warframe

[stiff fable]

AKA Rebecca Heineman's company

[humble sierra]

That's the Master

[strange plinth]

going back to a previous topic,
the only hint towards when XX99 is seems to be when they're looking at the 3 paintings n rebb mentions something about "ancient times, ancient places, spiritualism, theology..."
which doesn't really mean anything, i don't think?

[stiff fable]

Rest in power queen

[restive river]

I hope we get more on the radiation wars, I am kinda hoping we get more entrati side stories that explore other times in Warframe’s history, I wanna say if there was a rule for that it would be everything pre last radiation war

[restive river]

It just means we may get dualism lore which
Is very probable considering the cast

Anyway a Qorvex Protoframe during one of the radiation wars would be peak

[stiff fable]

that would actually be cool

oh man, when they do Wukong, there should be two of him

[restive river]

I just wanna learn more
Like who’s that lephantis guy? Why is he important? He clearly was enough that he got a weapon named after him like at least 5k years after he would presumably be dead

[fast dew]

I would love to see how radiation doesn't cook the human tho 😭

[restive river]

TWINS

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-0p1sf-gif-20906166

[restive river]

Qorvex Proto is just covered in radiation burns

[fast dew]

That's a scary idea.

[restive river]

But he’s fine cause
Qorvex!

[fast dew]

Oh boy i love open wounds

[stiff fable]

Or he's Sundowner and is F-ING INVINCIBLE

[fast dew]

Lettie or loid would absolutely lose it at the sight of it

[restive river]

I’d love to see them eventually tackle a Xaku Protoframe, I think the amount of angles they could do are interesting

[celest needle]

Corpses

[restive river]

Maybe the strain needs to compensate for the singular personality and uses what it can to add in two more for example?

[stiff fable]

My three big proto asks are Xaku, Caliban and Equinox

[restive river]

No, I don’t think they’d be like that at all lol

[stiff fable]

Because there's SO MUCH potential there

Caliban has command over a genuine alien intelligence

[celest needle]

Y’all think the update is coming in mid or late December?

[restive river]

I think their body would forcibly change like any others, their mind being what gets fractured the most

[stiff fable]

Equinox is two separate people

[stray gale]

no she isnt

[stiff fable]

Mid

[stiff fable]

she is! You build two separate Warframes before combining them

[stray gale]

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/503478-building-warframe-equinox/#comment-5626550

[restive river]

December 3rd for 10 years since second dream
More likely though
December 10th

[celest needle]

Ballas why

[fast dew]

If equinox becomes a proot, and they're not the two archetypes of lesbians, I'll riot. Unless they're siblings.

[restive river]

Could ofc be later but y’know

[fast dew]

Please please please not the 3rd

[dark compass]

Harold from Fallout 1

[celest needle]

I’m hoping for late December

[stiff fable]

Correct, both Warframes are female

[fast dew]

I won't be home :(

[stiff fable]

Day and Night are both female Warframes

[stray gale]

she would not be a she if she were two people

[fast dew]

I'll be like. At a metal festival but like

[celest needle]

(I need time to grind out other games)

[fast dew]

Id rather be on warframe then

[stray gale]

like you only need one set of parts to build xaku

[restive river]

That is not what was said lol

[stray gale]

so I guess xaku's just one guy :/

[restive river]

Not a guy

[dark compass]

its 3 warframes strapped together, the only thing under their pants is void

[restive river]

And with Xaku it’s 3 individual frames being broken and those pieces form one frame, it’s multiple PIECES as one not multiple whole frames as one

[stiff fable]

Yes actually Xaku is a single entity

But a composite of three

[restive river]

They’re kinda both

[celest needle]

Wukong Protoframe for funnies
(DE China demands it)

[fast dew]

Oranji,

Sorry for the confusion there! Equinox is in fact a she, but she also has a masculine form. 'Gender' was the incorrect word to properly explain the difference in forms, and has since been properly edited to better reflect the nature of her abilities and (in the case of this Building Warframe piece) design background.

I hope this clears things up!

–DE_Adam

[stiff fable]

But you don't build three Warframes and bootstrap them together

[restive river]

A composite, three in one, three minds in a body composed of what’s left and what cane together

[dark compass]

I still think this was just a copout

[stiff fable]

Which you do with Equinox

[fast dew]

It feels like an ai apology somehow

[restive river]

If Equinox was two individuals in one body she’d be refered to they
Not she

[stray gale]

yeah idk how this is difficult to understand lol

equinox is one frame with two presentations

[stiff fable]

Not necessarily, there is a balanced form

[dark compass]

i remember people being weird about it online back in the day, i havent even played warframe but i saw people being weird about it

[stiff fable]

But the components are "two separate, entire Warframes"

[restive river]

She presents herself as masculine or feminine and a mix

[humble sierra]

Equinox is based on a Jungian concept of the anima, masculine and feminine

[restive river]

Meanwhile, her prime…

[dark compass]

either way, Equinox is a horrible farm, thats what equinox is

[stiff fable]

honestly I wish you could use the composite form, it's much more interesting than the individuals

[restive river]

Agreed

[dark compass]

they did it for xaku

[restive river]

We need a rework for her in terms of abilities and fashion

[fast dew]

I mean, while i aint super knowledgeable on how something like DID works, you'd still call one person a she (if that's their current fronting person's choice) even if there's pluralism, no?

[dark compass]

honestly i am even fine with equinox ability wise, i just want for her to have an auxilary slot to change the perma form

[restive river]

If we’re talking DID then Xaku would be closer
Equinox wouldn’t even be that since that’s not the argument being made here

[fast dew]

Ehh?

[stiff fable]

actually, did they say that all three personalities are left in Xaku?

I don't believe they've ever said anything to that effect

[restive river]

It’s more so a visual detail you get from the animations

[dark compass]

the only personality left in the animation set is trying not to fall apart lmao

[stiff fable]

Xaku is a new thing made from three sources

[restive river]

It’s called using my eyes to deduce that they ain’t stable

Like seriously, go look at their animations
They can’t even decide what to do with themselves

[dark compass]

90% of agile animations are them trying to not fly away in different directions

[stiff fable]

heck, when you use Vast Untime, the shell explodes leaving none of them behind

[dark compass]

not exactly hard to see

[restive river]

Exactly

[fast dew]

And that's more physical instability

[restive river]

They’re three bodies and minds stitched together by the void

[restive river]

I’m not saying it is DID but its the closest we have with a frame

[fast dew]

Warframes don't particularly have much of a mind left either

[stiff fable]

I don't actually think they said anything about the mind.....

[restive river]

Xaku is comparable to Lotus if anything

[fast dew]

Id say equinox can fall under it

[restive river]

Things don’t need to be stated if it’s easily inferred from visuals

[fast dew]

Just not to an extreme like Xaku

[restive river]

I wouldn’t, she’s not showcasing multiple personalities just
Masculine and feminine

[fast dew]

Built from two versions of the same frame, yeah? Formed into one being

[restive river]

Her animations are consistent from what I recall, nothing hints at anything happening other than them form changing between feminine and masculine

[fast dew]

No, animations change

[restive river]

No

[fast dew]

Night has a very different one to day

[stiff fable]

actually?

[restive river]

I
I know they change but they’re consistent with eachother

[fast dew]

Plurality doesn't need the extreme difference

[stiff fable]

Drifter: "Xaku. Three warframes, fundamentally glued together, driven by void spirits." (Arthur R6C7)

The "driven by void spirits" implies it's none of the original Warframes in charge

[fast dew]

They could just be at peace between the two

[restive river]

Not consistent as in they’re the same but consistent as in it appears to be one mind just changing stances.

[fast dew]

Ehh

Could just be two versions of the same mind, kinda like how plurality irl forms

[restive river]

This more so begs the question of what a void spirit is

[humble sierra]

Us

Lol

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

[restive river]

Which
Since we know the frames died, conceptual embodiments of their minds attatched to the frames
We have void ghosts already with the holdfasts

[stiff fable]

Murmurframe confirmed

[restive river]

Counterpoint; the literal void ghosts we have

[restive river]

Xaku has been the voidframe
They just need a murmur skin

[stiff fable]

we do actually see void ghosts on Lua

[fast dew]

I WAS ABOUT TO CLOSE MY SHOWER DOOR AND THERES A BLOODY HUNTSMAN

[restive river]

They certainly are something

[fast dew]

HOLY GOD

[stiff fable]

honestly

Also Void Angel skin for Dagath

[restive river]

Real

The deluxe Xaku has is perfect btw
I would never trade it

[celest needle]

Bro’s a woodland creature

[fast dew]

IR LOOKED LIKE A SCORPION

[restive river]

Especially it’s ties to Lotus
Like
Seriously Xaku is very similar to Lotus

Which even if we don’t look at the mental aspect since that’s a tad more theoretical, they’re similar in the fact they’re both broken things that have come together as one
Three
As one

[strange plinth]

<narmer joke here>

[stiff fable]

......so what's going to be the third Operator/Drifter aspect

[stiff beacon]

stralia moment

[restive river]

I do think due to my observations and this very clear connection that I likely got the idea that their mental state is akin to Lotus’

[fast dew]

Its in front of the bathroom door. I can't leave.

Actually

[restive river]

Good question
We know there’s only two of us so. Idk! Maybe the frames? Kinda?

[fast dew]

I don't think thats a huntsman

[strange plinth]

yea, i could see that. its definitely an interesting...
would parallel be the right word?

[restive river]

Yes it would

[stiff fable]

the one thing is that Lotus implies that the state might be temporary in her post Lotus Eaters dialo--

hold up

[restive river]

Does she??

[stiff beacon]

maybe its a newcastle big boi?

[restive river]

I also don’t think that really ruins the theory at all

[strange plinth]

oh the. "in time, i shall be the witch" or something line?

[fast dew]

No thanks i don't wanna go to the hospital again

[stiff fable]

Lotus: "Within this shell, the three of us entwine. We forge a new strength."

Lotus: "I was the Daughter. I became the Mother. In time I shall be the Witch, blind once again, empty of all but wisdom."```

[restive river]

The point here is the parallels, Lotus isn’t as static from a character perspective as Lotus

[fast dew]

Being bit by a snake was enough

[humble sierra]

Interesting to think about what a 3rd Operator would be. A teenager, an adult (customizable enough to be an elderly person)

What next? An animal?

[stiff fable]

So, the three might genuinely fuse into a new gestalt

[strange plinth]

i'm surprised i remembered that bit correctly

[stiff fable]

ngl yeah that was impressive

[restive river]

Second line just sounds like Xaku
Last one implies the Natah and Margulis will disappear and Lotus will remain with the knowledge of the other two

[stiff fable]

I.... don't think so

[restive river]

Fuse works better than disappear tbh

[humble sierra]

It's just the New War thing, she quiets the other voices for the main one

Crap I gotta decide which Lotus skin to use for Old Peace

[stiff fable]

if only because her Mother guise was the Lotus, which makes no sense as it leave Margulis for the future

Lotus: "I will not let It devour one instant of my pain. Not even Ballas. Not even the Jade Light."

So, Lotus remembers getting jade light'd

[strange plinth]

Daughter seems tied to Natah, i think? Mother is tied to either Margulis or Lotus
but Witch. fits Natah? kind of?

[stiff fable]

Which Ballas would not have programmed into her

[restive river]

“I was Natah , became Margulis. In time I’ll be the Lotus, blind again, left with only wisdom” is what she’s saying, basically

[stiff fable]

No, that's not what she's saying

[restive river]

Margulis is the mother

[stiff fable]

She's talking about her ROLES not her PERSONAS

[restive river]

Ooooh

[stiff fable]

She was the Daughter of Hunhow, she became the Mother of the Tenno

In time she will be the Witch

It's the classic Fates

[restive river]

Wait how did we get here what does this have to do with things lol

[stiff fable]

The maiden, the mother, and the crone

[restive river]

Unless he did to be mean

[stiff fable]

anyway yeah just, there's more Margulis in her than should have been possible for Ballas to program into her

[restive river]

Which is likely why that persona is as prevalent as it is

That and
The trauma of everything she went through

[stiff fable]

she still wouldn't remember the pain of it, just the fact

[restive river]

True yeah

[stiff fable]

But now I'm wondering, if Lotus is going to change her role again, what is she going to do?

[strange plinth]

yeah. what does "Witch" mean in that context.

[stiff fable]

Oh man, imagine if she reassumes her spaceship form

[restive river]

I remember
Yeah
Xaku and Lotus do have a parallel in common, with Lotus things will likely change and evolve but the core parallel is there
Three pieces as/in one body
With Lotus it’s all personality, with Xaku it’s more so obviously physically but may be mentally to an extent

[stiff fable]

Imagine that we jump to Tau inside of Lotus's body

hello Herr Freud

[restive river]

Xaku is likely, to some extent a product of conceptual embodiment from the death of the lost frames, the void doesn’t do things on it’s own so something made those pieces come together
Could be whatever caused that also caused the mind(s?) we see within Xaku

[stiff fable]

weird thing about Xaku, but they're the second Warframe with a proper face, after Umbra

But their skeleton is made from those void trees

[restive river]

If the Holdfasts were produced due to the lingering emotions and trauma on the Zariman it’s possible that the three lost frames had strong enough emotions in their dying moments that the void reacted to that
It could be anything but I’ve theorized the possibility of them feeling lonely and the void reacting to that

[humble sierra]

Ngl they should swap those two around, I'd assume Ballas would be the bigger trauma she'd want to erase

[restive river]

They aren’t actually made of Arboriforms

Those are different, much more solid and root like
Xaku’s tendrils are void energy, not solid at all

[dark compass]

yeah you can see them being used in abilities

[humble sierra]

Yeah arboriforms seem more like synthetic organic life designed to breath in the void

[stiff fable]

She's overcome the Ballas trauma, not the jade light so much

[humble sierra]

Good point!

[restive river]

It’s also holding up the skeleton rather than being it, whatever the void made for Xaku is what drives them around
It’s “the void spirits” which again, those have to come from somewhere and those being one if not all of the lost frames makes sense

[dark compass]

tendrils literally and figuratively acting like a skeleton

[restive river]

More so acting as like
Muscle ig

Again, the skeleton is already there
The tendrils just keep everything up

[stiff fable]

that means the tendrils are muscles

[restive river]

Void muscles

[stiff fable]

also wait a minute....

Is Xaku holding Tatsu in their promo art???

[restive river]

Yes

Probably cause Tatsu shoots skulls and is cool

[humble sierra]

Revenant's weapon

[stiff fable]

wow Revenant really IS a vampire

[restive river]

Also the fans don’t look as cool ):

Like
For promo art poses lol

[stiff fable]

Stole Xaku's weapon

[dark compass]

cowards

[restive river]

Their weapon is the fans they have

Xaku stole Revenants weapon

[dark compass]

and sucks the life force out of people who play him

[stiff fable]

Tatsu was added after Revenant was introduced!

[restive river]

Real
The prime versions are cooler

[restive river]

How long after

Cause Xaku was 2020 iirc

[stiff fable]

WIki's broken on me

Tatsu was added years after Revenant though

update 24.4

[restive river]

Tatsu was before Xaku yeah

[stiff fable]

Yeah, update 29

how very strange

[restive river]

Again, they were probably paired together due to it, shooting skulls

And
Xaku being bones

And it looks cool

[stiff fable]

interestingly, Xaku was probably originally going to be female

going by concept art I'm looking at

they probably are making up for Equinox

[dark compass]

same as zephyr was originally going to be male

[stiff fable]

Right, when her name was Tengu?

[dark compass]

yea

[stiff fable]

nice

[dark compass]

they were going full myth with her

[stiff fable]

Black Myth Zephyr Prime

[dark compass]

still got a tengu mask at least

[strange plinth]

been staring at xaku's animations since shortly after they were brought up and-
noble speargun. what. what do you mean one of the leg pieces just falls off

[stiff fable]

lol no way

speargun animations are great

[dark compass]

in one of the pistol animations xaku just reloads their arm instead

like foream just flies off and they pull another one out and put it in place

i think its single pistol agile

[strange plinth]

yea that one too ! they just have a spare??

[dark compass]

how else do you think vast untime runs out

[stiff fable]

pfft

[strange turtle]

Fr?

[fast dew]

Nah just a joke lol

But like. Imagine

Pulls a big hammer out and Albrecht is just like

As someone once said. Loid is just bayonetta if she was a man

[old dome]

idk what he meant by the latter part of the msg but awuwuwuwuwuu

[strange turtle]

Tommy = atomicycle
Clingwrap = clingfilm or saran/plastic wrap, the rolls of clear plastic you cover food and stuff in
Vaseline = skin product for moisturising and stuff like rashes and burns

Amir’s pranking you by covering your motorbike in sticky, greasy moisturiser jelly and then wrapping it all up

[fast dew]

EUGH

[old dome]

& quincy's warning me about it,, 🥺

[unique talon]

Why do we still protect the origin system, keeping balance, what do we even gain with this?

If the factions will do the same thing over and over again?

[dark compass]

not having either of them dominate and start gaining ground well enough to push on smaller citizens of the system

infighting keeps a lot of people safe

[strange turtle]

We still occasionally have trouble now, when they’re doing the same things over and over again

Imagine how much worse it could get if they were free to grow further and do new things

It’d also directly escalate the conflicts and efforts against us as well

Without the balance of all of the major forces (Tenno, Infested, Corpus and Grineer) having to deal with eachother they’d be able to put way more in to fighting eachother

[violet storm]

Quincy’s a real bro, eh

[north jolt]

I don't think that's entirely true given his attitude to the current Corpus regime, the one headed by people like his son. Though when I say "better" I don't mean good in a vacuum, I only think he's better because compared to most of the modern corpus he seems to at least have SOME actual principles and values beyond pure greed, even if he's still incredibly ruthless and lacking empathy (even dismissing sisters as failures when we eventually kill them and moving on to the next)

Probably at least a different kind of dystopia closer to what the original negative intention of "meritocracy" entailed

[tall echo]

You don't understand what keeping the balance means huh

[unique talon]

Yes I know

But I'm the one who likes to resolve the problem for once

[tall echo]

The issue is that that's impossible

Not enough tenno to kill every hostile faction at once

[dark compass]

For a couple thousand Grineer tenno can kill in a day there's an entire half the planet dedicated to producing billions of clones

[tall echo]

Clear out one and the others will take over what's left without any enemies to control them, making the problem worse

[dark compass]

If we go and dedicate all resources to make a dent in one, the other will gain ground and raise hell

[unique talon]

Let me see.. Grendel, nezha..

[dark compass]

You're talking smaller armies, and here we have entire planets

[tall echo]

You overestimate the power of a frame

[pale cedar]

There's more Grineer and Corpus than there is Tenno and wiping out all faction leaders and members would cause a power vacuum meaning more problems

[dark compass]

The only thing that came out of a power vacuum in either are elite units that made our lives worse

[pale cedar]

Balance is making sure no side takes full control of the system

[dark compass]

Yeah, as long as both sides are concerned with fighting each other

Everyone else can rest

[unique talon]

We have the most powerful technology that we could have from the orokin, weapons, Warframes, and etc.

[dark compass]

There are no warframes strong enough to just wipe out an entire planet dedicated to printing clones that are battle ready

[pale cedar]

We don't have the most powerful technology

[dark compass]

While you are done with one facility and killed like a thousand

There are hundreds of thousands grabbing guns already

We do not have enough resources

[unique talon]

Still, you're telling me we're not capable of wiping them out?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[dark compass]

Plainly, yes

[tall echo]

We aren't

[pale cedar]

We also don't want to wipe them all out

[dark compass]

Scale is of planetary production and space fleet, we do not have that kind of power or resources

[pale cedar]

Balance isn't wiping everyone out

[tall echo]

Warframes aren't gods, and there aren't nearly as many tenno as there are enemies

[dark compass]

Not to mention how fast these enemies are made

[tall echo]

Ye

Nonstop

[unique talon]

If I'm not mistaken

[pale cedar]

There's at best 1k Tenno and Grineer have millions

[tall echo]

Sabotage one facility it'll be replaced or fixed by the time you're at the second

[unique talon]

There's a quest where we destroy Tyler Gregor's cloning machine

[dark compass]

That's just one of the many

[tall echo]

One of them

[dark compass]

It's an entire planet dedicated to it

[ocean geyser]

If anything i like to think that Assassinations temporarily put our targets out of comission

[unique talon]

We still have Nidus and Caliban at our favor

[tall echo]

Mate

[dark compass]

These two have not enough resources to do thatv

[unique talon]

Sentient and infested combination

[dark compass]

Have you seen what they were able to do

[tall echo]

Warframes. Aren't. That powerful.

[dark compass]

Best they can do is what we can do already

[pale cedar]

We are sabotage units we aren't Faction deleters

[dark compass]

We are not making a sizable dent by destroying a single factory in a planet sized production line

[ocean geyser]

At best Caliban can create like
What
8-12 guys?

[dark compass]

Yeah

[ocean geyser]

That’s not enough guys

[unique talon]

*excal prime proceeds to cut a giant cannon with a giant sword like it was nothing

[dark compass]

We sabotage factions just enough so they would keep infighting going

[ocean geyser]

We don’t have the giant sword anymore

[tall echo]

That's a forgotten tenno ability

[dark compass]

We lost that long ago

[unique talon]

I'm talking about their lore accurate aspects, of course they're much weaker in gameplay

[tall echo]

In lore too

[dark compass]

We do not have their "lore measurements"

[tall echo]

There's a lot of frames canonically dying

[dark compass]

^

[pale cedar]

Ew powerscaling

[tall echo]

That's my line

[unique talon]

Such as?

[dark compass]

None of them can do shit to cause a dent sizable enough, and even if they did

That dent would've been abused by another faction

[ocean geyser]

Gara blowing herself up
Mirage getting swarmed by sentients
Inaros getting swarmed by orokin and infested

[pale cedar]

Stalker has a collection of Warframe heads in Jade Shadows

[dark compass]

Some poor rhino just gets dumped in a field during the sentient invasion

[tall echo]

Yareli x2, gara, mirage, inaros, all the frames stalker kills, sevagoth, limbo

[dark compass]

He had Corinth prime, you know

[unique talon]

And iron skin

[tall echo]

Well one yareli survived but not on her own

[ocean geyser]

I like to think he was just standing there before getting honk-shoo’ed by the Condrix field

[tall echo]

2/3 yareli lores have her losing

[dark compass]

Dante also got lost to the void

[ocean geyser]

“Man i can’t wait to fight some sentien-“ 💤

[pale cedar]

Bullets can easily kill a Warframe

[dark compass]

What if after all this he just wakes up

And gets sad that he missed the fight

[unique talon]

Iron skin, over guard and hildryn's shield

I'd win

[dark compass]

Yeah it was not enough

[ocean geyser]

Random ass Rhino pulling himself out of the dirt like a Ghoul:

[pale cedar]

Nullifier says hi

[ocean geyser]

Honestly that perspective would go hard

[dark compass]

Gets hit with a shovel by some random ostron thinking its a ghoul

[ocean geyser]

LMAO

[dark compass]

Nothing but the sound of a shield gate and disappointed

[ocean geyser]

Sad Rhino

[unique talon]

Since Nidus has good control over some infested, which are most faction weaknesses

[dark compass]

He doesn't

[unique talon]

Like: kill one and here comes a thousand of it

[dark compass]

He has a connection with the Helminth, just the Helminth

The rest is self contained

[ocean geyser]

He can talk to the funny mouth on the wall

[dark compass]

Yeah, that's as far as it goes

[ocean geyser]

What the hell does the Helminth say to him anyway

[dark compass]

"feed me"

[ocean geyser]

Damn

[pale cedar]

Master

[ocean geyser]

Bro’s always hungry 💀

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-feed-me-food-little-shop-of-horrors-monster-gif-3428290

[ocean geyser]

Lmao

[dark compass]

That's them on average

[ocean geyser]

[pale cedar]

Nidus isn't as powerful as people try making him out to be

[dark compass]

Same with Atlas

Especially with Atlas

[pale cedar]

Atlas people always misinform about

[ocean geyser]

I honestly feel like it’s similar to Warhammer’s “I get my lore from memes” issue

[dark compass]

Yeah, everyone says he had enough strength to break the rock

But he just abused sonar

[pale cedar]

It's always Atlas one-punch manned
Nah he broke it down with abilities then punched

[strange turtle]

Caliban and Nidus don’t even operate on a large or wide enough scale to actually like, replicate the full advantage of the Infestation and Sentients anyway

[fast dew]

Doom has it too and its dogshit

I hate it

[ocean geyser]

EXACTLY

[dark compass]

Doom has it worse because modern devs are in on it

[fast dew]

LITERALLY

Yall have it bad here, but its horrid over there

[pale cedar]

Most people who misinform on lore get it off tiktok

[dark compass]

The zombie part of the new game was jumping the shark for me

Ngl

[fast dew]

Oh that's a hallucination

[ocean geyser]

istg if i hear “The Slayer is actually the strongest guy in the multiverse, he just uses guns to nerf himself” i might actually start tweaking

That and people yapping about how he has supernova punches

[fast dew]

That didn't happen, it was just a weird hallucination he had

Not the first time he's had one

[ocean geyser]

Slayer tweaking

[dark compass]

Meanwhile doom eternal's fist damage

[fast dew]

He did get revived, but thats because of the very nature of the slayer's blessing

[ocean geyser]

He doesn’t even punch people like that in cutscenes either

[fast dew]

Not because of the slayer, anyone can do it

[strange turtle]

Sent a meme about that somewhere else and a guy responded with a counterargument that was damn near verbatim the stuff that was in the meme

[fast dew]

"Hes so tuff and strong"
Meanwhile, the slayer hallucinates his dead bunny as the manifestation of his guilt and trauma. But no, the doom slayer doesn't have trauma./s

[dark compass]

Also I'm not sure if warhammer memes have any sort of powerscaling higher than "we are racist"

[fast dew]

I think i still have these

[ocean geyser]

It’s that and “our guns are perfect and better than yours”

[dark compass]

Too bad humanity in warhammer 40k are really skaven

[fast dew]

Doomguy does do shit for fun, but like. Its shit like having a gaming pc, or... guitars made of flesh

[dark compass]

I understand the last part

[ocean geyser]

I once watched a warhammer guy start malding because someone said Warframe played tall and Warhammer played wide and began ranting about how it was both wider and taller than Warframe

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-warframe-flare-varleon-lizzie-flare-gif-14661909242636135126

[fast dew]

If i had a dollar for everytime doom had a similarity to warframe, id have 3 dollars

[pale cedar]

Doomframe when?

[fast dew]

Rhino, or Uriel

[dark compass]

The only problem I have with doom and warframe comparisons is how many Hildryn/Rhino cosplays there are

[fast dew]

No, there's like

Deimos being swallowed by the realm inbetween worlds

Because of rich people

[pale cedar]

Doom had Adis before Warframe had Adis

[dark compass]

That's just how Deimos goes, it's the name that makes it shitty in every single piece of media

[fast dew]

Yeah that was just the khan

She is very much a adult equivalent

Adis is still a child

[dark compass]

Anyways I need to get back to the mines

This farm is horrible

[fast dew]

What do we think bird 3 is eating? From the poster that species or similar it does eat meat

[dark compass]

Venus

[fast dew]

It kinda does

I don't like that its shiny

[dark compass]

The glistening bird slop

One of the many things Parvos wanted to steal the recipe of

[fast dew]

I honestly think Loid would gatekeep it just to annoy parvos

[dark compass]

Loid thinks he wants to turn it into cheap produce that would worsen the lives of everyone

But Parvos is just frugal enough to keep it for himself

[dark compass]

I'm stronger than doomguy because I can draw him pregnant

[strange turtle]

Actually he’s an accomplished sketcher and can draw himself pregnant just fine, so he still scales above

[dark compass]

Shit

[strange turtle]

(Idak if he can draw but I feel like I remember him having drawn something once)

[ocean geyser]

Huh?? 😭

[fast dew]

Me too

I have

Actually

[fast dew]

Btw the only reason they say he's "multidimensional" is because he accidentally fell into another universe. It was not planned, and it was only made possible by hell's/jekkard's nature

not doomguy's

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-1999-warframe-1999-techrot-encore-makesweet-gif-6595868377688178424

[fast dew]

I think he drew... something once? I do remember that vaguely. We could say he's the one drawing the codex pages in TDA

[ocean geyser]

Wait do they actually kiss or is that a fan animation 💀

[dark compass]

its model swapping

[ocean geyser]

Interesting

[fast dew]

Balls

[ocean geyser]

From what

[fast dew]

Yeah that too

From what 😭

[dark compass]

one of the end of year animations

if you romanced someone

i dont remember who this one is, Amir i think

[fast dew]

Oh its amir

[ocean geyser]

Oh word?

[fast dew]

He's the one who does that

[dark compass]

Dead chat

[abstract magnet]

Real

[solar hatch]

Enlighten me on this detail, is parvos' HQ outside the granum void now or is he still holed up there?

As in he stayed there willingly instead of being stuck there

[humble sierra]

I'm guessing he can freely leave

We opened the door for him, basically

[proper barn]

It's probably still in there cuz the sisters are seen there he can just be outside of it if he wants.

[stiff fable]

I don't think he can leave right now?

He's still stuck in the explosion that's going to kill him

[waxen mesa]

so what's the stalkers deal?

If I have it right he's an "umbra frame" who was turned into a frame as punishment (for loving Jade?) Despite his punishment, he remained Orokin loyal and thus already doesn't like the Tenno.

He chooses to hunt a Tenno because he believes that Tenno do not have a right to act as judge jury and executioner?

[green beacon]

Which frame was the most skilled rail jack pilot according to lore?

Cause I heard mixed thoughts

[glacial bough]

Sevegoth

It's his entire story

[green beacon]

Sweet, my boy is good pilot and a stand user

[celest needle]

The stalker was warframe'd by Ballas because he was in an unsanctioned relationship with Jade and had a child which was Taboo to the Orokin.

The Stalker was going to warn the Orokin of the Tenno's betrayal of the Orokin but failed to, and so blames us for their destruction and his last chance of reuniting with his family ruined by us slaughtering them [He does not recognize Jade as his wife due to her being Warframe'd]

[strange plinth]

didn't recognize her until jade shadows, as he gradually remembers who she is throughout the quest

[waxen mesa]

with Hunhow's unhelpful helpfulness

[celest needle]

Only Took him 1k years

[green beacon]

Yep, the basically constant drunk uncle

[waxen mesa]

speaking of Hunhow though. are we like...cool now?

uneasy cease fire?

[glacial bough]

Not really

[green beacon]

Don’t know, I just control the infestation

That’s my stick at least

[glacial bough]

He's just resigned to his postion than anything

[strange plinth]

jade also didn't say a word to him during that time, either
she starts calling out to him at the start of the quest

[celest needle]

Only took her 1k years

[green beacon]

Do we know what type of rail jack sev piloted

[waxen mesa]

why would Hunhow be...cordial? toward us during Jade Shadows?

[strange plinth]

we "helped" during tnw
he knows that we're useful

[glacial bough]

Because he's resigned to curent events

[green beacon]

Hi Rubric🤚

[waxen mesa]

I guess maybe he thinks he owes us one for saving Natah?

[glacial bough]

Hunhow is too tired to really continue the fight

[green beacon]

What do you think stalkers doing atm?

[glacial bough]

And he's still practical, he knows we're the only people that could help

[celest needle]

Hiiiii

[strange turtle]

Stealing baby formula from a corpus freighter

[green beacon]

The maggots say hi

[waxen mesa]

Raising his childframe. Waiting for news about the tenno so he can go out hunting

[green beacon]

Probably

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

[old dome]

there really isnt much to talk about, other than answering baby tenno's questions...

[humble sierra]

This is like the deadest I've seen this specific channel

Within a 12 hour period of course

[round remnant]

I can definitely agree

[fast dew]

Ight ill so some silly lore questions

Reckon the Orokin had airfryers

[proper barn]

Maybe.

[fast dew]

They're like

[proper barn]

Everyone is saving up energy for the old peace.

[fast dew]

The best thing to happen to humans, so like. Naturally the orokin would keep it to themselves

[raven oar]

I have a theory if any of you are interested

[stiff beacon]

yea shit will be dead for hot min till next devstream

at the very least

[fast dew]

Yeah?

[raven oar]

It is in regards to the old peace

[proper barn]

Sure

[raven oar]

Ok so we know the drifter had a sibling if that is the case can we assume that the operator had one as well right

I am trying to get everyone to agree here if we can then we can move forward

[stiff beacon]

sure

[strange plinth]

i mean, drifter having a sibling is based on player choice
but sure, if one had a sibling, the other would as well
divergence point would be after that

[humble sierra]

"The Operator had a sibling. The Operator never had a sibling. Through Eternalism, both are correct" or something

[proper barn]

That's not how eternalism works.

[humble sierra]

I know that was just making a joke

The divergence point is when the child makes the deal with Wally, everything before that they should theoretically be the same

[proper barn]

Anyway sure.

[fast dew]

That is exactly how eternalism works lol

We just can't access it

[raven oar]

Yes I was just thinking if we have a machine that can allow us to see memory's why don't we just go back to where we made the deal with wally and see what we promised him i mean it is probably more relevant in modern day context than what we see in the old peace but what if we do go back to when the deal was made what if we did have a sibling what if that sibling was a brother and Part of the deal was to kill him him or me was what the operator said during the quest what if that is what he meant

[proper barn]

Oh we know what we promised him.

[fast dew]

Eternalism is when something exists and simultaneously doesnt

... no we don't

[strange plinth]

we know what was promised, though
our "light"
we meant the globelight, he meant something different

[proper barn]

Yeah.

[fast dew]

We don't know what that is

[proper barn]

We just don't know what that means.

[humble sierra]

"It was him or me" was a reference to the big sentient the Operator had to kill that was attacking them, they're just trying to tell that to Adis

[fast dew]

He also changes it in a whim

[raven oar]

I mean they can change the order of the cutscenes

[strange plinth]

-# also we have already gone back and seen the deal, that's what one of the scenes in TNW is about

[humble sierra]

Good point but they're not gonna leave one of those things up to player decision, especially not something as huge as a sibling

Even the Lotus/Natah/Margulis choice only has a few dialogues where it's relevant, for the most part the game refers to her as Lotus

[raven oar]

Our light can also be our brother I mean it is pretty vague

[stiff fable]

I think the important detail is that whether the operator has a sibling or not, they won't let the KIM system be what determines it

Because the KIM resets every month

[proper barn]

i do think it's intresting.

[woven coyote]

Plus KIM left it at sibling, determining it's a brother would be a bit of a leap

[stiff fable]

So either the Operator will have a sibling, or it's left up to player choice and they'll never come up outside the KIM

[fast dew]

I mean

Cue the eternalism situation

[stiff fable]

Not for this

[strange plinth]

its an interesting idea
it just conflicts with the information we currently have

[fast dew]

All possibilities exist and all don't, so it could be a dude

[stiff fable]

If the sibling exists, it cannot be up to the KIM system if they're going to be relavant outside of it

[fast dew]

Eh

[stiff fable]

because a bunch of people haven't touched the KIM system ever

And in fact hate the mechanic

So they'll never have the conservation that establishes whether the sibling exists

[fast dew]

I mean, the things mentioned in the kim system does exist, they just won't mention it to you. Flare still becomes Temple even if we don't do their kim chat

[celest needle]

KIM takes a lot of time if you want to get into it and after a reset or two can get a bit... boring

[stiff fable]

that's lore not story

[fast dew]

...?

I uh

Don't think you know that its still story if its lore

[stiff fable]

No

[fast dew]

Lore is story, just one comes earlier lol

[stiff fable]

It genuinely isn't, I've written articles about this

[raven oar]

We barely have any information on the subject matter and the KIM system could be foreshadowing that the operator at least killed our brother but the drifter probably did not because he did not take the deal

[strange plinth]

lore is off-screen, story is on-screen
is my extremely basic understanding

[woven coyote]

Yeah

[stiff fable]

You know what that's a better explanation than what I was going to launch into

[fast dew]

Pretty much. Still storytelling nonetheless

[stiff fable]

No, because it doesn't have to link to the actual story

[strange plinth]

drifter did take the deal, they just got a difference in meaning
"said i'd save all of them. never said i'd save you."

[stiff fable]

The classic example is Dark Souls stuff

[fast dew]

Okay, so, Kaya then. She still gets out of 1999, even if you fail her kimchat

[stiff fable]

Ask someone what the story is and chances are good they'll jump into stuff from item descriptions

[fast dew]

Thats apart of the story, no?

They uh, tell a story? Like

[woven coyote]

Pretty sure she doesn't

[strange plinth]

does she? kaya needs to hijack our travel to get to the future, and she isn't able to without our help

[fast dew]

She can still do that, she just won't tell you iirc

[stiff fable]

As far as I know, she only escapes in her good ending

[woven coyote]

Same with flare

After all we don't get temple blueprints from the future

[celest needle]

Canonically how do some vendors work? I know most if not all work off of a in-game only thing

Like Minerva and Velmir's shops are canon

[strange plinth]

flare's is a weird one, admittedly
same with amir selling pieces of cyte-09

[stiff fable]

There's a possible end-run around that actually

Drifter's KIM convo about ayatan statues

That's where we get BPs from

[strange plinth]

possibly, though they'd still have to be extracting the blueprints from the aya, which we don't really have detail on

[stiff fable]

Amir having a bunch of Albrecht's ayatan that "just happen" to have Cyte BPs

but if you want to go down that path you have to ask how normal bounty rewards work

like "how is there a cache of 3000 endo in 1999"

[dire mountain]

How do enemies drop mods in 1999

[stiff fable]

when endo is also Orokin memory juice

[strange plinth]

yeahh
a lot of things in 1999 are gameplay > lore
tbh i'm surprised they even addressed ayatans there

[dire mountain]

Did albrecht just leave them laying around

[stiff fable]

At least some

The rest is possibly 1999 timeloop weirdness

eg Albrecht brought [arbitrary number] of ayatan with him

[strange plinth]

infinite ayatan glitch

[stiff fable]

The loop reset often enough that some of them got item duplicated

[raven oar]

In regards to my theory I mean my theory makes more sense than we killing adis and starting a war that was probably already going to happen anyway at least my theory would have more impact on the character i mean if we kill adis we will just walk it of in 15 minutes and a juice box

[woven coyote]

Makes less sense imo

After all your theory necessitates that the sibling necessarily be a brother
And also makes main story dependant on optional side content

[dire mountain]

What are you yapping about

[woven coyote]

Just scroll up

[stiff fable]

short version: what if operator traded their sibling to Wally

[dire mountain]

Yeah no

We promised him our "light" (meaning globelight but monsieur Wallenstein took a different kind)

[strange plinth]

i don't think we would just walk off killing adis
from what we've seen, they were pretty good friends
even if things start souring when we kill that sentient, that doesn't erase everything before it

[dire mountain]

The thing with adis was the sentient who underwent core override

Also yeah the Operator got along pretty well with adis from what we've seen

And they were genuinely distressed that they even had to kill that sentient

[woven coyote]

Also your theory eliminates the optional roleplay involved in the kim convos which makes it even worse of an idea for the devs

[green beacon]

Am I all powerful as people put me to be?, cause I don’t really feel all powerful as I used to be?

[stiff fable]

Also, the Operator is used to killing faceless masses and would-be xenocides.

Not people

Much less people they care about.

[glacial bough]

Well no, we'll definitely kill people easy

It'd be someone close to us that's the issue

[humble sierra]

Well, the Operator had their trauma locked away

If they killed Adis they don't remember it

[dire mountain]

The final verse of Lullaby of the Manifold sounds like Adis is still alive

[humble sierra]

Yeah I'm a firm believer Adis is going to be the antagonist of the Tau2026 update

[dire mountain]

"When your spring of hope is dry.
Dream of me and hear my cry.
Seek to meet me by and by.
On that far shore forlorn."

[stiff fable]

It's a lullaby

Not a character song

[humble sierra]

The track for the song itself doesn't actually include that verse

[dire mountain]

That verse is specifically not in the official release

[humble sierra]

That was only in the Tau2026 teaser

[stiff fable]

Besides, I think they're going to use the chance to introduce a new archon

[dire mountain]

We only hear it at the end of the tennocon demo with the camera panning outwards from his mask

[strange plinth]

"Dream of me and hear my cry" feels really linked to the dark refractory and the old peace

[stiff fable]

If Pazuul has an orange shard, then someone needs a purple shard

[stiff beacon]

and there needs to be a green

[raven oar]

That could be the lotus singing it to calm us down for all we know

[humble sierra]

"Dream of me" also has the out-of-world double meaning, with the Operator undoing the Second Dream

[strange plinth]

Pazuul has a yellow, no? just weird lighting
that doesn't render 95% of the time

[dire mountain]

And we are "dreaming" of him with the memory bath. With us visiting Tau next year we would also be getting ready to "seek to meet (him) by and by, on that far shore forlorn"

[humble sierra]

It's the same voice as Adis. Lotus' singing is kinda different

Might be the same singer but it's contextually different

[dire mountain]

Well, it's Francesca Hauser and afaik she isnt the voice of Adis

But its very very contextually different

[strange plinth]

she is the singing voice afaik, but not the speaking one

[humble sierra]

The lyrics pop up too, just like the other ones Adis sings

[dire mountain]

Adis does sing the lullaby twice

[raven oar]

The lotus is a mimc i think she can make her sound like who she wants to sound like

[stiff fable]

I will laugh if my crackpot theory ends up being true

[glacial bough]

We already know it's not the Lotus

[strange plinth]

fair, though a lot more points to adis than lotus mimicking him

[stiff fable]

And Adis's corpse was used to build Natah

[dire mountain]

I think the first one is his canonical singing voice but the second is moreso just using the official track even though I think I can hear Adis' voice modulation sometimes in the background

[humble sierra]

Wdym by singing it twice? Like which two instances?

The boss fight and earlier that revival of that one sentient?

[dire mountain]

Like the song being sung is canon but Fransesca singing it in that moment isn't really canon is my take

[dire mountain]

Yeah

[humble sierra]

Yeah I think those are the only times it's shown to be diegetic

[raven oar]

Does this mean that earra is also adis and that is way for both characters to return

[dire mountain]

What

[stiff fable]

No

[humble sierra]

No I can see what they're saying, if Adis was used to make Natah, maybe he was used to make Erra

[stiff fable]

Erra existed before the Old Peace

He built Caliban

And we know that happened before the Old Peace, because we see Caliban Prime under construction during Old Peace, and his lore says that his construction was a symbol

[raven oar]

He built regular caliban

[stiff fable]

Yes, he's one of the frames who was primed later

[raven oar]

And do we know this for sure and if we do can i see your proof

[stiff fable]

Phrasing, mostly

[raven oar]

So nothing concrete

[stiff fable]

But more importantly we know that Erra was built before Natah

[raven oar]

That could just mean he was built first

[stiff fable]

Since he was there for her "birth"

[dire mountain]

"Do you remember, Natah? That first day. How our father, lifted you screaming from the manifold. How we sang."

[strange plinth]

Natah was more than likely built during the old peace or shortly after it broke
as that was their big plan to "win" the war. infiltrate the tenno nest

[stiff fable]

Oh lol so that's why the song is the Lullaby of the Manifold

well done, DE

[raven oar]

Could this also support my theory since adis is the only character that has sang that lullaby

[glacial bough]

No, and he's not

[dire mountain]

#lore-discussion message

The implication here is they sung the Lullaby of the Manifold

[glacial bough]

We know specifically the song was sung during the trip to Tau

[stoic oriole]

Is indifference the man in the wall or is that someone else?

[stiff fable]

same

[strange plinth]

two names for the same entity, yes

[stoic oriole]

Ah ty

[solar hatch]

Random ass question: is the heat death of the universe theory still applicable to warframe?

👁️ I ask cuz the archon shards desc all say they are "anti-entrophic", not to mention the void and eternalism being aspects of the cosmology that differs from irl

[humble sierra]

AntiEntropic might just refer to "directly against void entropy"

[solar hatch]

Probably, although we did used archon shards to revive the lotus from her decrepit state at the time

Honestly ngl Idk what exactly are archon shards lol

[hollow siren]

Neither does anyone

[solar hatch]

Damm we don't got any lore on them?

wack lol, more mysterious sentients stuff

[celest needle]

probably something to power sentients

[hollow siren]

Might be like a more pure and less refined form of what the Cores are made of

[celest needle]

Considering what Archon shards do

they may be a way the sentients revive other sentients

They're mechanical beings they can die but like a machine they can be repaired

[hollow siren]

I mean the more powerful Sentients effectively Adapt to death and become Eidolons

[celest needle]

Very stupid question … could the archons be turned into eidolons?

[hollow siren]

I mean, their remains that have been fused with inert Warframes are by all accounts Eidolons

half-alive "corpses" of powerful Sentients

which is what makes Pazuul so weird, since it's effectively two Eidolons fused together

[dire mountain]

No not really

I wouldn't call either of those an eidolon

[stoic oriole]

Does the operator not age?

[humble sierra]

They haven't yet

But the main story could take place between 10 days or 10 years

[stoic oriole]

But drifter is an operator from another timeline right?

[hollow siren]

No

[strange plinth]

operator was in cryosleep, which is why they didn't age
drifter wasn't, they probably aged until they wanted to leave duviri, then got hit with the timeloop

[humble sierra]

Kinda, but for the sake of this yeah, they aged in Duviri and stopped after a certain point, but now they're out of Duviri they might age again. The operator was in cryosleep which is why they didn't age

[hollow siren]

it's unclear if Operator not aging is only cause of the Cryosleep or if their Void nature also affects their aging

[stoic oriole]

Yea didn’t drifter say he didn’t take the deal with the man in the wall while operator did

[humble sierra]

Nope, both did, it's only that Drifter got screwed over in the deal

[hollow siren]

No

[strange plinth]

drifter got semantics
"i said i'd save all of them. never said i'd save you."
same wording of the deal, different interpretations

[hollow siren]

When the Deal was accepted, Drifter and Operator were not separate beings

Wally had a loophole in the Deal's wording
All of them (including you) vs. All of them

[stoic oriole]

Wait so if they’re not from different timelines wtf are ethey

[fast dew]

They are from different timelines

[rich stump]

They are different timelines, Drifter got screwed by Wally in their deal operator didn’t

[fast dew]

Normally you can't access those timelines

[strange plinth]

they split at the deal
drifter later re-merged with operator's 'timeline'

[hollow siren]

They're the us that didn't get the powers from the Deal. Less-so alternate timelines as it is one of many reflections of the same time

[humble sierra]

They have the same background, but when the deal is made, the timeline was split between the Operator who was saved, and the Drifter who didn't

[fast dew]

Its just the nature of Duviri. Duviri aint from that timeline, its just in the void (the stuff that exists between timelines basically)

[stoic oriole]

Man, i want old peace nowwww

[hollow siren]

The Void is half of the Duality, with Reality being the other half. The Duviri in the Void was formed unintentionally by the Drifter via Conceptual Embodiment based on their memories of the storybook "Tales of Duviri"

[fast dew]

Yeah i know 😭

[hollow siren]

Time works differently in Reality than it does in the Void, that's why you get loopholes when going between the two

[fast dew]

I know because its related to Albrecht and im very much not normal over Albrecht

[woven coyote]

Considering rell i'd say it's likely they do age at some indeterminate rate

[hollow siren]

yeah true

probably a lot slower than a normal human, but then again lifespans in the Origin system seem to be much longer in general so

[woven coyote]

Plus no usefull timeframes for us to compare

[pale cedar]

I’d say they age like a normal human born in Orokin era would

[fast dew]

No clearly they'll need kuva/s

[pale cedar]

They only didn’t age cuz they were sleeping in a pod

[hot mural]

@twin wigeon Guess what

[twin wigeon]

Wot

[hot mural]

Guess who has an Asian Baddie in his Backroom

[twin wigeon]

Ayyyyyyy

[hot mural]

YEAAAAH

[twin wigeon]

One of us one of usssss

[hot mural]

type clem fr

[twin wigeon]

[hot mural]

[twin wigeon]

🙁

Also why’d you ping me of all people?

[strange plinth]

and why in lore chat

[hot mural]

mb gang

[hot mural]

Itspart of my lore in my warframe universe to have Aoi

[twin wigeon]

Nws just a bit confused

[hot mural]

See before I heard someone say that the finger inside our Railjack was from Wally

[fast dew]

Yeah, its a copy

[hot mural]

But now look what it says in the Chat

[fast dew]

The finger is from wally, but its a copy of the original finger

[hot mural]

So it isnt an actual finger from Wally

[strange turtle]

It is, just not the original

[hot mural]

?

huh

[strange plinth]

we don't know where the original(s) are
the ones we do know of are replicas, but they still hold power

[fast dew]

Its a actual finger like a photocopy of an id is the actual id

[strange turtle]

Like they’re all actually Wally’s finger, only one is the one that got cut off

[fast dew]

It does the same stuff, just not the same legal stuff

[hot mural]

Im so confused

So its like a 3D copy of the original

[fast dew]

Okay. Take a photo of your id.

Its your id, it shows you, your birthdate and area its registered. But, can you use that photo for anything else other than proving your age? No

So, use that example and apply it to the finger

Its a copy of the finger, but it, for wally, won't do the same thing as the original

[hot mural]

Ohhh

So who has the fingers

[fast dew]

No clue

[strange plinth]

unknown
albrecht seems to know the location of the originals, which is why wally is chasing him

on top of whatever spite is there

[fast dew]

Well, Albrecht had them first, he definitely could know

Yonta might too

[hot mural]

Give me my Fingers Albreacht. Albreacth: Nuh uh. Wally: Ok fine, starts the whole Void lore we have

[fast dew]

Well, actually, we don't know if Albrecht didn't try

Wally just refused to show up after

[hot mural]

I mean with the amount of giant puppets he has in his labs I doubt he was a fan of giving back things human shaped like, especially one with such power

[fast dew]

We don't know for sure. Albrecht is a strange dude

He is anything but predictable tbh

[hot mural]

He left his family, he left his man, he left his pets, he left us, he left the Hex

He really hitting us with the "brb gonna get some void milk"

[fast dew]

He needed to

Or wally would hurt them

Either he acts selfish and stays, and let those people get hurt, or he leaves

Which also hurts them, but that's at least something that can heal with time. Death is unfortunatly permanent.

Vicious cycle or whatever

[strange turtle]

Unlike what’d usually happen with making a copy the fingers do also seem like they might maintain some kind of significance to Wally despite not being the original

Like when he brings it up in Isleweaver he speaks as though there were multiple occurrences, and it’d make sense with his whole deal with the murmur being pieces of him that when copies were made of the finger there was still some kind of connection

[fast dew]

Wally could just be referring to the multiple fingers he probably lost. We only assume its one because of the wall form and the signa, when both Albrecht and yonta mention there was multiple

[strange turtle]

No I mean the actual loss of the finger

[fast dew]

OHH

[hot mural]

Nuh uh look at the hold fasts

[fast dew]

A freak accident that Albrecht wouldn't risk to try and do (we also don't know if he's aware of them)

[hot mural]

Thats a good question

[fast dew]

Gotta remember that the last time he threw shit in the void, they came back speaking the tongue your enemy does

[hot mural]

So it/he/she whatever thing is obv resentful about wally taking its fingers or who knows what else

[fast dew]

Wally as a whole hates people

[hot mural]

Why tho

Cuz of Albrecht

Or something older or prior to the Orokin

[strange turtle]

His first experience with them was getting rejected and his finger cut off

[hot mural]

Ah fair

[fast dew]

Tbf it was an accident and wally was being stupidly scary

He's mad at the wrong person, it wasn't even Albrecht who physically cut the fingers

Yk the whole. Like. Uncanny Valley effect? Something that most humans experience when there's something that looks near identical to them? Kinda what happened with Albrecht and wally in the void incident

[pale cedar]

Not Albrecht or Eurelias fault he walked at someone with hand facing straight forward

[fast dew]

Like??? The bloody hell was he thinking

And before someone says its Albrecht's fault for probably creating wally, no. He couldn't control the fear that the aspect of death naturally puts into people 😭

[dark compass]

No you dont understand, if i were in his place i'd stay calm

[stoic oriole]

We getting a whole new system with old peace?

[strange plinth]

old peace will just have the rebellion and descendia, from what we've seen
we have no idea what all Tau will have when it releases

[stoic oriole]

I mean I’d be mad too if someone didn’t return my severed finger and instead used it for research

[stoic oriole]

New tau open world 🤯

Cmon those new bosses look like the next eidelon farm

[strange plinth]

possibly

[fast dew]

Please god no

[pale cedar]

I’m getting my fishing Sentients out of water update and you can’t stop me

[hollow siren]

The Hunhullus?

[eager briar]

Do warframes have something in their pants?

Eleanor makes a vague reference to it

[rich stump]

We know protoframs do (Quincy confirms he has genitals) and (spoilers for Jade shadows) ||Jade at least has to have some sort of hole considering she gave birth || but other than that we don’t really know

[eager briar]

So you’re saying that I have a chance

[rich stump]

Perhaps

[eager briar]

Also if I’ve done the hex then that means I finished jade shadows

[north jolt]

So I had a random and irrelevant thought come to mind. I know they basically rely on us (Tenno) and the Unum to keep them safe, but aside from that do you think the Ostrons have any other forms of self defense or protection? I know some of them hunt, and there's that one dude who sells the zaws so they have to have some weapons around, even if very basic ones right? (also to clarify, this is NOT a powerscaling question, Im not asking if they could single handedly take on the Grineer or something)

[pale cedar]

Nope, Warframes can’t get pregnant Jade was pregnant before being Infested which is also why she couldn’t get the baby out

[north jolt]

I mean, eventually she did get baby out, with our help

[pale cedar]

She couldn’t get it out on her own though

[north jolt]

Tbh I don't know if she could have or not. She was spending all of her energy just to keep it alive but she had to of known that at some point, she would run out and then the baby would either have to come out too, or pass with her

[eager briar]

@north jolt hey can you do me a favor and say what comes after 2?

[pale cedar]

They’re just regular humans
They can see future events they aren’t there to stop those events from happening just watch

[north jolt]

2 what?

[eager briar]

What number is after two?

[north jolt]

3?

[eager briar]

Ok

[north jolt]

What are you even talking about?

[eager briar]

Just wanted to see if you were able to count past two

[pale cedar]

Umbra bad at math confirmed?

[north jolt]

Like I said its not powerscaling question or anything. Im just legit curious what exactly they actually have access too, and if maybe some of them ever stole some grineer weapons too at some point :p

[pale cedar]

The only thing they have is animal hunting stuff and Zaws

They aren’t there to fight they leave that to us

[north jolt]

Bunch of lazy bums

[pale cedar]

They just follow the Umums will

[north jolt]

The Unum should will them a couple crates of Hinds or Karaks for the funny

[eager briar]

Vay hek would nuke them if they grabbed a single karak bro

[north jolt]

Joking aside, probably

Assuming the Unum can't intercept it tho

[pale cedar]

Onkko literally faked his death because he saw it as the only thing to keep his wife safe

[dark compass]

I don't think Zaws are normal weapons

They're repurposed sentient tech

[north jolt]

Making swords out of the corpses of sentients is pretty metal

[dark compass]

You can see how ocucor and battacor even share the characteristic links used on zaws

[north jolt]

But Im not sure about that tbh