lore-discussion

[woven coyote]

It wasnt just fear that was being "drained" into wally

And that's my main point, it wasn't just fear

Maybe fear could be the straw that broke the camel's back

But it wasnt there by itself

[twin wigeon]

childishness could've leaked into wally as well from early in albrecht's memories from where the name Little Bengel came from

[pale cedar]

Also consider

The only way for Sythel to know Albrecht was afraid would be Albrecht saying he is afraid she can’t read minds

[woven coyote]

Or

She could say it was fear because everything is fear for her

It is a distinct possibility

[twin wigeon]

poor sythel

[hot mural]

Hey guys what AI is good to use

I’m trying to make my own sentient fr

[twin wigeon]

fr fr

[hot mural]

Ima bring em to life

[pale cedar]

Or Albrecht just told her he was afraid and it created Wally considering his job was teaching Duviri

[hot mural]

Btw what u guys think will be coming to Warframe after TOP since Reb said the devil Warframe would be the last Warframe

[pale cedar]

Tau 2026

They told us that at Tennocon

[hot mural]

No like I meant for the game overall since we get Tau that would be the end of all right

[twin wigeon]

Can't wait to see Sentient Planet

[woven coyote]

I am skeptical of that
Because wally doesnt act only upon fear
There's other things involved (although it has been just negative stuff so far iirc)

Even albrecht twisted as he is explicitly acts out of love

[hot mural]

There’s love too, see how the big statue thing at the end of Whispers in the wall

[woven coyote]

Just this year's last

[pale cedar]

Yeah, but Wally isn’t the Void and can act distinctly from the Void

[woven coyote]

They are already working on 4 different frames for next year

[woven coyote]

Fair

[twin wigeon]

they probs meant Uriel is the Last Warframe... for this year

[woven coyote]

Yeah

[hot mural]

Oh

[woven coyote]

Would be odd to say uriel is last and then weeks later in an interview say "we are working on 4 frames"

[hot mural]

I got scared when she said that

[twin wigeon]

me when my warframe has no more warframes

[pale cedar]

They distinctly said Uriel and Gyre Prime are last Warframes of 2025

[hot mural]

What is Gyre?

[pale cedar]

The Zariman frame

[twin wigeon]

Electric Ballerina Boogaloo part 2

[woven coyote]

Zariman adjacent at least

[hot mural]

Wasn’t that Voruna

[woven coyote]

Nope voruna is on lua

[twin wigeon]

Voruna is from Lua

[pale cedar]

Voruna went to Lua

[hot mural]

So she’s from there or she went there?

[twin wigeon]

or the Continuity Temples there on Circulus and Yuvarium or smth

[woven coyote]

Specifically voruna was a guardian for continuity rituals in the circulus on lua

[hot mural]

Ohhh

[woven coyote]

Or at least that's what drusus tells us

[twin wigeon]

So voruna isn't from lua, she was sent there with her doggos to protect against conceptual embodiments ,

[pale cedar]

No

[twin wigeon]

no?

[hot mural]

The white floating things?

[pale cedar]

Continuity has nothing to do with CE

[woven coyote]

The one on circulus does

[hot mural]

Yup

[woven coyote]

The ritual on circulus involves a void portal and a grimoire

And a soprana

[pale cedar]

She didn’t protect from CE though

[twin wigeon]

could've sworn voruna was there to gobble up and fight any stray CE's from the ritual

[woven coyote]

Well things manifested by CE

[hot mural]

The Thraz right

[pale cedar]

CE now affects the place but that’s not her original job

[twin wigeon]

wasn't it also the job of orowyrms to gobble up CE's

[hot mural]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-duviri-paradox-mesa-minor-spelling-mistake-meme-gif-7660166023002399518

[twin wigeon]

oh that makes sense i guess, she could just be a warden to protect the place but what did her dogs get injured from before she merged them with her body

[pale cedar]

CE only became a thing on Lua after it returned from the place CE is possible

[hot mural]

What place?

[pale cedar]

Thrax can only show up because Lua was in the Void

[woven coyote]

Tuvuul trying to continuity into her supposed operator

And then voruna and her wolves getting hurt

[woven coyote]

Lua conjunction is older than lotus' stunt

[twin wigeon]

Lotus' Stunt LMAO

[woven coyote]

Yeah
Chock full of innacuracies and halucinations, classic ai

[twin wigeon]

I... might be ai then... MisinformationMango here

[pale cedar]

Imagine using AI for lore

[hot mural]

Nah is just Warframe lore

Have u ever seen a game fandom agree in that games lore at any point

[hot mural]

Seven?

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[twin wigeon]

die

[woven coyote]

The seven executors

[hot mural]

Sorry mango 😔

[digital grail]

Why are you using chat gpt instead of the official wiki

[hot mural]

Well 6 now since Ballas is gone so 6-7

[hot mural]

what official wiki?

[woven coyote]

And tuvuul and nihil(?)

[twin wigeon]

Sentence this void devil to the Jade Light

[pale cedar]

Why use the wiki for lore when Orokin Archives exists for lore and is more accurate

[twin wigeon]

i should join that

[hot mural]

I use Cephalon Fragments

[woven coyote]

This
I only use wiki for quotes and transcripts because i am used to finding them there

[hot mural]

I like to think of GPT as my own Ordis

[woven coyote]

But the articles? Absolute garbage

[twin wigeon]

can i use the entries there for like farming locations tho o.o

[digital grail]

Ordis isnt an ai tho

[pale cedar]

Wiki lore is managed by gameplay people that don’t pay attention much

[digital grail]

Didn't know that

I'll use those for my fact checking

[hot mural]

Use AI to help you with that

[digital grail]

No

I dont waste water

[pale cedar]

AI was a bad idea

[woven coyote]

Like wiki is usefull for finding in game info when you arent in game like quotes and transcripts

Stats and drop chances are also available either in game or on sources actively maintained by DE like their drop table page and so can be trusted because they aren't subjective

[hot mural]

Wasn’t there also a Market place for looking at prices or stocks ?

[digital grail]

Good to know

[woven coyote]

That's fully third party and maintained by fans

Like literally a fan site

[stiff fable]

Also a bad use for AI, I'll point out

[hot mural]

Ohh is it good never used it

[stiff fable]

Very good, yes

[woven coyote]

It's good but you also need some know how

If you dont know what to look out for the site will have limited impact

[hot mural]

Ohh

I once typed in Trading chat WTB Shred for 100 instead of 1 and got people texting 5 secs later

[pale cedar]

That’s because Trade Chat is a bad place

You’re more likely to get scammed than on WF.Market than not

[woven coyote]

Yup

[pale cedar]

Trade Chat is full of over inflation

[twin wigeon]

you're paying extra for the convenience 🙂

[pale cedar]

Only downside I see with wf.market is recently there has been a surge of people who aren’t online but have it listed as online

[woven coyote]

My guess is people think it is actually conected with the game and just leave it like that

Thinking it will update with their in game status

[strange turtle]

Twonk??

Tbf that was probably what he got called the most in the childhood moments that he actually remembers

[celest needle]

The term for a young, slim, but muscular gay or queer person.

[strange turtle]

No I know what a twink is

But like

Wait no thats a twunk

You’re thinking of twunk

Twink+hunk

[celest needle]

Twonk is a misspelling

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/dispatch-game-critikal-you-gonna-eat-those-twinks-twinks-gif-16442620714226106656

[brittle siren]

In the deadlock protocol, why did Parvos suddenly change the tone of his voice?

[twin wigeon]

what do you mean

[stiff fable]

He starts out being reasonable because he's on the backfoot

But the second he thinks he has an advantage, his real personality comes out

He doesn't care about collateral damage, he just wants power

In the end he goes back to being "nice" because he doesn't want us to try assassinating him again

[brittle siren]

I see

[violet storm]

Then whenever we make a sister(and when dealing with Drusus) he shows his true personality again

[north jolt]

In short: he's a ruthless business man

But still stand by that he's morally better then Nef Anyo or Alad V

[pale cedar]

That's what he wants you to think

[stiff fable]

Cosigned

He genuinely believes the Orokin's big mistake was being too sentimental

[restive river]

Bruh 😭

[stiff fable]

And that if they'd been MORE ruthless they would have been better off, once he became one of them

[celest needle]

Parvos would actually love a Cyberpunk dystopia

[stiff fable]

He's the definition of pulling up the ladder behind him

from what we know, he BUILT a cyberpunk dystopia

And he bulldozed his childhood home to do it

[celest needle]

Final boss of capitalism

I wonder how much control does Parvos have over the Corpus now that he now can actually direct forces

He doesn't have total control over it of course but how much, he directs forces to steal Jade’s essence and attack the Zariman but the other board members still have their own control right?

[stiff fable]

as far as I know he commands "just" the Sisters directly

The Board is nominally under his control, but they don't have to listen to him

[pale cedar]

He hasn't even took full control of the Corpus yet

[stiff fable]

Which is a good thing, the Corpus are the strongest faction currently

[pale cedar]

Would cause a bit of a power vaccum

[stiff fable]

discord what the hell

[restive river]

Wally, somehow counting as an entire faction after shaving off some cells to bully us:

[stiff fable]

He's super limited in where he can act right now!

He's even more constrained than the Infestation, which is almost a minor faction

[restive river]

thank the void for that

Actually, the sentients would be the most powerful faction maybe
For one, they’re not in the origin system so their power is relegated to their home so. Yeah no duh they’ll be powerful there
For second, they’re the sentients and can take control of p much any tech

They’re likely the most powerful, next to Wally (he’s more powerful) but due to positioning and limitations?
Yeah no you’re right, the Corpus are the best off

Would you say this would be about where things lie?

Corpus
Tenno
Grineer
Narmer
Infested

Wally
Sentients

[stiff fable]

The Tau Sentients aren't an issue at all

According to a few sources both in and out of game, Tau's been completely silent since the Old War

The reason they're so powerful is that they can seize control of Corpus proxy systems easily, which nerfs the Corpus pretty heavily, like you said

The only thing we can look at is who controls planets

Corpus and Grineer win there, no question, but the Corpus fights itself as much as the Grineer

After that, the Infestation has a few moons

The Corrupted are in control of Orokin Towers in the Void, and spill out ocasionally in Void fissures

Narmer periodically seize control of existing facilities, and have at least one megaproject going somewhere

The Sentient Armada is broken and leaderless

Wally is more outside context problem than threat, and yet.....

So imo the list is:
Corpus
Grineer
Infested
Narmer
Sentients
Wally
Tenno
Corrupted

Now, caveats: If Wally ever finds his finger, gg no re to the entire universe
Narmer can snowball if the Sentients help, as seen in New War
The infestation is a problem but the major factions prevent it from getting a foothold

The Tenno can't WIN the war on the basis of pure economics

Pound for pound they're the strongest faction, but it's a professional soldier wrestling a sumo wrestler

Mass wins

We don't have the numbers to take planets, and if the major factions got serious we'd be run out of town like in New War

[hidden glade]

Sentients sweep under the right management 🔥

[stiff fable]

I think that's right

[stiff beacon]

what economics, we are hard coded by the school of pot smashing, we take everything not nailed to the ground and 3-D print the rest

[stiff fable]

Right exactly, meawhile the Grineer and Corpus have city-factories dedicated to pumping out warships and rank and file soldiers

We kill millions while they produce billions

Most Grineer/Corpus casualties are against each other and not us

Literally our job is to mess up their plans so they keep wasting time fighting each other over the same contested territory rather than hitting the independent colonies

[humble sierra]

Watch the Old Peace reveal that Adis is turning Perita into a Death Star designed to destroy the entire origin system

[stiff fable]

Pretty good trick for a dead Sentient

[stiff beacon]

tau being quiet is a bit worrying

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/albrecht-entrati-the-man-in-the-wall-warframe-1999-warframe-you-are-late-warframe-jojo-gif-4432154459658682236

[stiff beacon]

like shits weird quiet

[stiff fable]

Especially with Albrecht being there

Like, WHEN is Albrecht there, again???

[stiff beacon]

the present

[stiff fable]

That's just it, time travel

[pale cedar]

Albrecht only said Tau is in sight not Tau is his present location

[stiff fable]

He could spend the entire period between the Old and New War on Tau without causing a paradox

but yeah whatever happened to Tau during the Old Peace isn't going to be pretty

[dire mountain]

I dont think he has it in him

[rose osprey]

after done the hex finale now i'm coping there will be a scene when operator with 6 prime warframe (founder for excalibur prime/ normal player for excalibur umbra) and drifter with 6 protoframe of the Hex handshake and said " Together, As one"

[dark compass]

Protoframe collection is gonna grow for sure

Harrow and Wisp are not the end of it

[tall echo]

Yeah there's also urinal uriel

[celest needle]

What would be the next batch of Albrecht's screwups

[dark compass]

Vauban, Ember and another new warframe

Trust

[celest needle]

Don't give them ember after wisp

[hazy prism]

I think a Xaku would be really cool, and have interesting things to explore design wise
if not them, Wukong, Nezha and another new frame based off of Chinese Myths

[celest needle]

Xaku would go pretty hard, but imagine a split personality equinox

Warframe China holding DE at gunpoint to make a Wukong protoframe [You do not know how much Warframe China loves wukong

[dark compass]

Banshee and Loki

because theyre old and dont have a skin coming yet

[fast dew]

Id like a circus themed batch ngl

[dark compass]

i would really want to make a joke

but its not a bad idea

[celest needle]

it's all Loki

Every one of them is Loki

[fast dew]

Cmon mirage and limbo are right there

[urban tide]

Found this stuck to eleanors tac harness anyone know what it means?

[stiff beacon]

Imma be real, when we finally get to tau, it'd better be a straight shot without any connecting flights

[fast dew]

Bad idea.

Bad bad idea 😭

[proper barn]

That's WHAT CAUSED THE ZARIMAN INCIDENT

[celest needle]

WE'RE DOING A SEQUEL

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/we're-doing-a-sequel-muppets-most-wanted-kermit-kermit-the-frog-gif-9837048782945000305

[celest needle]

Load it up with cetus, ventkids and use it as bait for wally

trust me we can get a second round of Tenno

[solar hatch]

Small question, but are Sentients in charge of tau so to speak?

I ask cuz afaik lore said the orokins sent them to tau first to colonize that system, only for them to gain sentiency and decide to come back to kill the orokins

[strange plinth]

its fairly likely that they remained over there and now rule Tau
however, they've also been completely silent since the old war. unknown status

[hazy prism]

with the information we currently have, yes. They were the dominant force in the Tau System before and during the Old War, post Old War, we don't know much, but it can be safe to assume they still are in charge in Tau

[dark compass]

waiting for the introduction of sTAUr chart

[restive river]

Considering there’s gonna be a whole giant Tau arc I’m inclined to say they’re alive

[restive river]

We don’t know who shot first btw

[solar hatch]

oh yeah, I did the weekly kahl's mission today, and encountered a boss called wolf of saturn six
who's that? I remember seeing his glyph in last nightwave

[restive river]

Go into nightwave, you can view his story I think

[hazy prism]

I like to imagine that Hunhow and Praghasa were REALLY pissed by the existance of the Orokin whilst the other sentients were more chill and just happy to be alone in Tau

[restive river]

Tune in iirc

[strange plinth]

more than likely, yea
just an oddity for them to go silent like that

[solar hatch]

from daughter's words, this guy's heavily experiemented on with various methods

[dark compass]

press tune in in nightwave

and pick Wolf of Saturn Six

[restive river]

He’s basically a really powerful Grineer prisoner who got taken by Alad V and augmented to be an Amalgam

[dark compass]

essentially its a grineer supersoldier

[restive river]

Now he’s beyond saving, the amalgamation, the veil

[solar hatch]

Damm that's tough as hell lol
that means he had a limited time event surrounding him at one point, right?

[hazy prism]

Yes, Wolf of Saturn Six had a whole story for the First Nightwave

not really an event, and it's not reacurring, you can still get the rewards through Wolf Beacons

[dark compass]

first couple nightwaves the game had proper story progressing through

[strange plinth]

first 3, yea? then the rest is intermission and nora's mix

[dark compass]

the new nora's mix has a unique name

hopefully they will stick to that

its not like previous couple nightwaves had no theme, but its still neat

[restive river]

The recent ones have had themes actually, just no names

There was the duviri one, the 1999, the stalker one, the fire and ice one

[dark compass]

yeah, thats what i meant

[proper barn]

@restive river @celest needle y'all did a good joke.

[solar hatch]

Wow I didn't know about tune in on nightwave lol I just check there for my dailies and weeklies lmao

🤣 🤣 🤣

Another lore question that's been bouncing on my head a lil, but why are there so many variants types for weapons?

Beside prime, I've seen: prisma, wraith, kuva/coda/tenet, etc

[ocean geyser]

We kind of just make new ones sometimes ig

[solar hatch]

and the wiki lists out even more of them lmao

[ocean geyser]

The Adversary ones are straight upgrades

[solar hatch]

Are these weapons like, standardized?

[ocean geyser]

Which makes sense since they’re related to what is basically the strongest of each faction

[solar hatch]

As in standardized down to the minute detail cuz we craft them via foundry, which is basically 3d printing

[celest needle]

Kuva guns are elite versions given to Kuva liches which are the tenno equivelents for the Grineer

[ocean geyser]

Only the base ones I’d imagine

[celest needle]

The sisterhood is an elite matriarchy to KILL MORE TENNO so of course Parvos is gonna fine tune them

[ocean geyser]

The foundry doesn’t really have any relation to something being standardized
If you have the blueprints and the parts the foundry will slap it together

[dark compass]

prisma are enhanced with void crystals, wraith are elite kuva grineer variants

the rest(kuva/tenet) is just super elite weapon variants for best of the best of the faction

and in case of coda its just 1999 strain producing especially volatile weapons

[ocean geyser]

The Vandals are just Tenno things
I like to think that they’re literally vandalism given the name

[solar hatch]

oh yeah, I forgot about vandals lol

[ocean geyser]

“Haha corpus I made ur gun blue”

[celest needle]

"Yo wanna muck up this Braton into doing more damage"

• Some rail agent

[ocean geyser]

Real

[dark compass]

there are also stuff like secura, synoid, rakta weapons

those are just syndicate affiliated paintjobs

[solar hatch]

Ah yes, the syndicate specific weapons lmao

[dark compass]

[ocean geyser]

People just like making weapons methinks

[celest needle]

Look man everything in this world wants SOMEONE dead

[solar hatch]

Yeah but like, that does seems to show some degree of standardization imo cuz from the base weapons factions are spinning out designs and upgrades from them

[dark compass]

yeah, base production is definitely a thing

gorgons drop everywhere from grineer

[celest needle]

I mean... wait how do you make the Kuva Bramma better? It's a bow with explosive arrows

[dark compass]

you can see lots of weapons on enemies

[celest needle]

One Sedna Run and I'm swimming

[solar hatch]

void magic prob

[dark compass]

not sure if theres need for void

you can see tons of enemies running same weapons you can get

[ocean geyser]

I mean
I guess the base weapons themselves are standardized
I would just say that the variants are… less standardized given the nonsense you need to do to even get them

[dark compass]

the wraiths im pretty sure are just kuva grineer guns

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[solar hatch]

yeah I love how there's Prisma Dual Cleavers

those are grineer mooks weapons lol

[dark compass]

and prisma is just baro slapping void crystals on whatever he deems cool enough

[solar hatch]

yeah and that's a lil humorous to me

[ocean geyser]

I gotta wonder how he even got his hands on them lmao

Stuff like the Skana makes sense, we have 3 billion skanas

[solar hatch]

Baro's out here just slapping void produce to gear for the tenno

then selling it at a high markup

[dark compass]

the real question is the existence of Kuva Seer, because its a custom weapon of Vor originally

[ocean geyser]

But did he buy some gear off the Grineer and Corpus or steal them?

[dark compass]

its void, he surely took a bunch from the mind controlled ones

[celest needle]

Probably a specialized variant inspired by his

From my knowledge the Grineer probably thinks he's dead

[ocean geyser]

The engineers for kuva weapons were probably just given a bunch of guns and kuva and were told “Make them better”

[ocean geyser]

I don’t see how this would be any easier lmao

[dark compass]

you never saw baro fight

maybe he can throw some punches

[ocean geyser]

Oh right the void signal

[solar hatch]

isn't there a quest for baro?

[ocean geyser]

He owns an axlex

[solar hatch]

hidden one where we do see baro fights

[celest needle]

Sands of Inaros

[solar hatch]

Not that one, another hidden one

[ocean geyser]

The Baro Void signal

[solar hatch]

where we directly fights w baro and he wields gun- yes, void signal

[ocean geyser]

This man got dual pistols

[solar hatch]

he can very much defend himself

[dark compass]

oh yeah

mission where baro shoots stuff

[solar hatch]

Baro ain't no slouch, he can dish some lead

[dark compass]

so he can definitely take those

[celest needle]

The WHAT?

[dark compass]

baro void signal, the mission where we are helping him to track down inaros prime i think

[pallid spoke]

For his neutral special, Baro wields a gun-

[dark compass]

he will kill people if he must

dont piss him off

[stiff beacon]

no your locked into using mr. sandman

prime

or reg

[dark compass]

oh right

you have to own inaros prime

[solar hatch]

Damm he can't enter bleedout, that could be legit tough

[stiff beacon]

its 10 waves of torture, hence why i never do it

[pallid spoke]

IIRC he'll only sell the mission key to you if you have Inaros Prime equipped when you speak to him.

[dark compass]

he is just holding back

[solar hatch]

I can kill them all ez but as always, weak defense obj is the pain point 😭

[dark compass]

we know he can get those prisma weapons by himself

[solar hatch]

oh yeah he merged with all baro across time lol

[dark compass]

yeah, i bet if he dropped his guns

the bloodshed wouldve started

[solar hatch]

Maybe he plucks gear from the merged timelines to sell to us tennos lmao

profiting from all the other baros - they're him but ain't him

also I do wonder what's his social standing in the origin system is like, cuz in a previous visit, I saw that his voiceline said he'd like to have us in one of his parties

Like, I'm just curious what social circles he hangs out with lol

oh, and he also hope to exchange stories with us one day

truly a chill guy

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-chill-guy-just-a-chill-guy-relax-gif-1579445140409713118

[dark compass]

His social circle is Man in the Wall, half of a Vor, and Jackal

[stiff beacon]

considering his new voicelines, dudes at least some high tier dude given granum wants in on the parties

and gets denied

[solar hatch]

on Vor, back when I was farming him for Seer, it took me way too long to realize that he got bisected in our encounter w him lol

[dark compass]

No wonder

Parvos is that type of person who would steal stuff from a party

[solar hatch]

Like he's canonically bisected (or maybe his cybernetics depowered after he got killed?) and that's why corrupted vor got that light in his abdonem

[dark compass]

He appears as just a half in the void

[solar hatch]

Parvos is threatening drusuc leverian with forfiture so he's 100% evil now, yeah

[dark compass]

now?

[solar hatch]

ok, bad word choice 💀

[strange plinth]

corrupted vor suffers from Giant Glowing Weakspot Syndrome

[solar hatch]

Parvos is the mofo who's too dangerous to be in charge of corpus cuz he's evil and competent while nef's a nepo failson

[stiff beacon]

its probably due to the old trailer where he gets cut in half by frost

[solar hatch]

nef can't even take over a mushroom colony smh shaking my head

[solar hatch]

WHAT A WASTE, YOUR SCARRED VESSELS, COMES TO BEG, ONCE MORE
YOU WILL NEVER- IT'S NOT OVER

:>

The time spent reaching his location is longer than the time killing him

[strange plinth]

without fail

[dark compass]

WHAT A WASTE, YOUR SCAR-

Post the real dialogue

[solar hatch]

"What a waste. Your scarred vessel comes to beg once more? You will never pry the Janus Key from the clutches of its rightful owner. I, Captain Vor, have ascended, and the Void salutes me! You will die a lifetime, an eternity, a universe of deaths before you are blessed by the endlessness of this place, this... paradise. I will never close an eye to the gift that is the Void. Even as my flesh hardens, a wall of bone awaits my joining."

[celest needle]

Meet the Corpus!

Failing Bum who's only rise to fame was enslaving an entire colony of people on Venus yet can't clear out the underminds

Cockroach who cannot die no matter what and will constantly do more experiments at the cost of everybody else

Mr. Capitalism who sits on his ass in the void as he raids the Zariman and attempts to extort Drusus

[strange plinth]

don't forget frohd bek which.. uh... uhm. ambulas?

[stiff beacon]

aka darvo's uncle

apparently

[eager briar]

Why doesn’t the drifter ever use a weapon that isn’t his amp while outside of the war frames? He clearly knows how to fight hand to hand due to Duviri

[strange plinth]

why use those when they could just pop back into the warframe

[solar hatch]

yeah

plus he can access our void powers

[eager briar]

Why not?

[solar hatch]

efficiency and potency

our void powers + wf is right there lol

[strange plinth]

the amp is one thing that the frames don't have, the rest of drifter's weaponry can be replaced with a warframe

[solar hatch]

we legit can craft them in origin systems after getting them w pathos clamps

so even the melee is better wielded by a wf with mods

Low key if there's more general duviri updates, I kinda want drifter to have more secondary and even primary in duviri

[eager briar]

I mean, the Tenno has been stranded without the war frame about the war within and the new war

[dark compass]

Drifter can shoot everyone up with Nataruk, but he's much more fragile than a warframe he can have an almost effortless access to

[strange plinth]

war within was a dream sequence of sorts, and was all about learning to exist outside of the frame
drifter didn't have the void powers necessary to pilot a warframe during new war, so they had to do all of that themself
they're capable outside of it, but far better inside the frame

[eager briar]

Speaking of nataruk we’re on decent terms with hunhow why are we still fighting the sentients?

[dark compass]

Decent terms more like

"enemy of my enemy"

[solar hatch]

yeah hunhow's not exactly buddy buddy w us like that, he was making a temp alliance in TNW

[stiff beacon]

even after jade shadows we're more like associates

[dark compass]

It's not even really a temp alliance, he just gave us a weapon to have a chance at killing archons

[strange plinth]

its more neutral-positive after jade shadows, but still very neutral. we're useful and he doesn't hate us

[solar hatch]

oh yeah, he basically gifted us a gear then we go off on our own

we didn't even get stalker to fight w us

I feel like Stalker after TNW and Jade Shadows is basically just doing business™ when he fights us at this point lol

Like dude's a bounty hunter for tennos, and he needs a job for his child

[stiff beacon]

the single dad experience

[solar hatch]

So he's probably off screen hunting tennos in defense missions and other places

[dark compass]

Don't pay attention to the excalibur head on a stake in his room

[eager briar]

Also, who are the acolytes? Is it literally the same backstory a stalker minus the Jade stuff

[solar hatch]

wtf 👁️ 👁️

[dark compass]

There's a whole shrine with warframe heads on stakes in his captura scene

[strange plinth]

acolytes have one operation that they're tied to that they died in
their continued existence is pretty much only gameplay

[eager briar]

The what head?

[dark compass]

It has excalibur and rhino I think

[strange plinth]

isn't there an equinox prime too
or something like that

[dark compass]

Oh yeah it's equinox that i forgotten about

[humble sierra]

Yeah she's the only Prime there

He has a whole bunch

[dark compass]

Responsible single father with a shrine of impaled heads of his victim

[humble sierra]

He baby proofed the spikes... with the heads

[strange plinth]

totally didn't just go open captura to find it
left to right: wisp, nova (hanging from the ceiling), rhino, saryn, excalibur, equinox prime, volt, loki (hanging)

[humble sierra]

Loki was also the one he beheaded at the start of the Second Dream quest

[eager briar]

Are the murmur the only actual aliens in warframe? Because things like the sentients are artificial lifeforms and everything else is just a heavily modified human

[dark compass]

They're not aliens

[eager briar]

Extraterrestrials

[humble sierra]

Murmur are from Wally, who is technically man-made

[dark compass]

^

[eager briar]

He is?

I thought he was just an average Eldridge horror

[strange plinth]

he only started doing stuff when albrecht broke into the void
if he existed prior, he wasn't like he is now

[dark compass]

Albrecht gave him form

[humble sierra]

Albrecht gave him shape, and led to him being injured which gave him emotion

[pallid spoke]

Everything in Warframe has human origins.

Either originally being humans, or created by humans.

[eager briar]

Call me crazy, but I think it might be our fault for how the origin system turned out

[dark compass]

It's my fault actually

[humble sierra]

Or the Void but so far there's nothing "original" made

[dark compass]

Personally

[strange plinth]

albrecht in disguise

[pallid spoke]

Wally is the closest thing we have to an actual alien.

[humble sierra]

Yeah my bad I made things messed up

• Signed Adrian Bott

[eager briar]

Do you think 9/11 happened in warframe

[solar hatch]

Random fact but we had a kim chat with... eleanor, I think, on that matter, she was curious on whether future humans made contact with aliens

[humble sierra]

Probably not

[strange plinth]

not really relevant either way

[solar hatch]

Yeah techrot probably makes the conditions for that non-existent

[eager briar]

It was the techrot that did it

[humble sierra]

They had a Cold War, but who knows how close it was to the IRL one, they had Alexander the Great, but who knows if he did anything that the IRL one did (hell, Warframe's Alexander might be fictional)

[eager briar]

They also had steam

Because of the half-life poster in the mall

[strange plinth]

DE is canon and also dead

[humble sierra]

Rebecca probably isn't old enough to have worked for them though

[pallid spoke]

I just find it funny that Valve managed to survive long enough during the Techrot outbreak to release Half-Life 1.

[strange plinth]

she has the on-lyne fan site

[eager briar]

That means that they never got Fortnite

[humble sierra]

She's too busy fangirling OnLyne (which is the same for IRL Rebb)

[eager briar]

Because DE worked on unreal tournament and unreal tournament never existed. The unreal engine never existed and if unreal engine never existed and that means Fortnite never existed.

[dark compass]

But... Steam only became a thing in 2003

Only with HL2, and poster is Hl1

[humble sierra]

Assuming Warframe Rebb is the same age as IRL Rebb, she'd be like 9

[eager briar]

Presumably, if the year continued to then, and if Valve is a thing they were going to make steam

[dark compass]

Fortnite was made anyway, on Unity

[humble sierra]

So definitely the target demographic for OnLyne

[eager briar]

What do the corpus actually sell?

[strange plinth]

depends on how quickly the techrot expands, i suppose

[eager briar]

Guns?

[humble sierra]

Everything they can

[ashen pulsar]

everything

stocks in the index

[strange plinth]

weapons and tech
probably basic materials
there's some lore on the actual corpus guilds but i'm not remembering them

a lot of the resource crates have a corpus stamp on them

[humble sierra]

They sell the latest in asset security

[eager briar]

Presumably they made the ludoplex

[solar hatch]

They have entire cities run by them, they probably sell literally everything

I think parvos' corpus city is still around right?

[strange plinth]

he talked about corposium like it was gone in botb
but pluto does apparently have a massive city on it that you can see in proxima missions

[humble sierra]

I think some planets have a whole bunch of lights on them visibly, like Coruscant from Star Wars (but not spanning the whole thing)

[dark compass]

Yeah, there's definitely normal people living in the cities

Corpus is probably just a giant monopoly

You'll see billion different brands and can trace them all down to corpus

Frohd Bek's cherry flavored soda

(might contain traces of uranium)

[eager briar]

Minus the veils Narmer is the first to bring back an actual centralized civilization to the origin system

Honestly, as long as I keep free will I’d live there

[dark compass]

They just took over people's minds through constant brainwashing

[strange plinth]

they did that through the veils, though

[dark compass]

That's not exactly free

It's also so fragile that taking a veil off is enough to free a person

[eager briar]

Didn’t those people get the veil on them like five seconds ago in the missions?

[dark compass]

Everyone gets a veil or they're getting veiled by those priests

Or they're dead

[strange plinth]

no?
almost all of them have had the veils on for a while

[eager briar]

But isn’t the point of them being in holding cells that they were just captured and had a veil put on them for being transferred to presumably a city

[dark compass]

Have you seen what happened in Fortuna

[strange plinth]

the ones in cages don't have veils on yet, iirc
we see the people in fortuna and cetus just standing around with veils on

[dark compass]

^

Everyone is veiled, who isn't veiled is currently being transported to a place with priests who can veil them

[celest needle]

What's the WORST piece of lore in Warframe?

[strange plinth]

alad still being alive /s

[stiff beacon]

we talking obscure or decently known

[celest needle]

Any

[stiff beacon]

motely crew not existing

yes this is canon

source: flare random dialogue

[dark compass]

Darvo is a teenager

Despite being pretty damn old, he's nowhere near as old as many of the other corpus people

So he's seen and treated as such

[strange turtle]

No, thank us

We didn’t complete a whole event just to get our contributions disregarded

[stiff beacon]

tbf lore wise dude is younger then a lot of named npc's, for context he's a hundred and something

[dark compass]

he's 150

And he's seen as in his "rebellious teenage years"

elf mentality

[stiff beacon]

this is an elderbug moment

[celest needle]

Wait...

So do the corpus age in elf years?

[strange plinth]

they have the tech to, basically

[dark compass]

yeah, lifespan is drastically increased

orokin left a lot of gene editing tech i imagine

can easily use it to live for much, much, much longer

[stiff beacon]

plus cryotech

like an abundance

of cryotech

[stiff fable]

Most people do as far as we know

Like, the Grineer with premature aging? Having what we would consider normal lifespans

Vor's got a few decades on him iirc

[stiff beacon]

plus clone rot

[stiff fable]

'swhat I meant yeah, that's the root cause

[strange plinth]

the kuva lich cutscene says something like "we maggots live.. not long"
which. could mean anything, because we don't have a proper frame of reference
not long.. compared to what? corpus? the queens? ostrons?

[stiff fable]

The average mook facing a tennokillsquad?

[stiff beacon]

best guess on avg maybe 50 years

[fast dew]

Had someone try to tell me the orokin didn't have life extending tech bcs "whats the point of continuity then"

Like homedawg.

They didn't need to kill children for continuity either

They do stuff for shits n giggles sometimes

Same person who was adamant that Loid used kuva somehow 😭

[strange plinth]

they-
they wouldn't stop using the life extending tech just because they figured out continuity, either
fewer continuity rituals less often anyway

[fast dew]

They were... not smart ngl. They were convinced that the orokin empire only happened after the void incident

[strange plinth]

i don't even have a response for that one ngl
how...?

[fast dew]

"Kuva is related to the void so it must've happened after Albrecht figured out that the void has power" which is like... okay. I can kinda see that. But like

[stiff fable]

Wait

[fast dew]

The void was still bloody there before him

[stiff fable]

Albrecht SAYS he did the Void stuff after the Orokin became immortal

Meaning after Continuity and thus Kuva

[fast dew]

Then they decided to pull "its said on a devstream" so i stopped listening

[strange plinth]

gonna need a better source than "yea somewhere in the series of 190 videos that are roughly an hour or more," yeah

[fast dew]

And apparently it was said by steve. Yk. The old creative director. His word aint law no more 😭

Hell, even if he was the creative director still, I won't take his word for lore anyways, they can always forget stuff

[stiff fable]

Like Garuda lore

[strange plinth]

"that's a steve promise"
garuda lore shot dead on the devshort,,,

[fast dew]

It was an issue in the doom fandom. "Oh hugo Martin said this" hugo martin forgot about the 4? 5? Other female demons in past doom games. His word don't mean jack.

3? 4? of them was like. A major boss btw. He just forgot. And that's okay

Im sure the same stuff can happen here

[strange plinth]

yea, can't treat what the devs say as 'word of god' unless they also have all of the info in front of them
n even then, stuff can get missed

[fast dew]

Like the weird discrepancy Father makes about when he met mother

Father says he met her after Albrecht left. Skip forwards 4 or so years, and Loid is saying Albrecht was there for the grandchildren

[stiff fable]

Father also has memory issues which is a good excuse

[strange plinth]

was about to say that, yea
could be explained w/ the family's memory issues

[fast dew]

True, but it could be explained by just. Hey, they forgot

Also for some reason father knows of the tenno as them being children, when uh. In the timeline of the quests, we didn't know that

Which i think comes from it coming out after the second dream

When its placed... before hand

[strange plinth]

heart of deimos was planned for post new war iirc? but tnw got delayed a ton

[stiff fable]

Yeah, but he was also head of the necramech program, which it turns out lasted the ENTIRE Old War

[fast dew]

Nah, new war needed a necramech iirc

[strange plinth]

in the version we got, yeah, but maybe not the first three drafts

[stiff fable]

Which explains how he knew transferrence would work on the mechs come to think of it

Man, I really wonder how NW would have gone if Praghasa had been the final villain for real

[celest needle]

probably to incorporate it somehow into the story since all of the other open worlds were

So railjack + Necramech and bam

[fast dew]

I think it could've been like. "Hey look its foreshadowing" or its like. Whoops we wrote it as after the second dream mb

[strange plinth]

there was dialogue for if you had already done tsd/tww i think? though its cut now

[stiff fable]

oh interesting

[celest needle]

Its actually really easy to tell when a quest was made just by looking at its lighting and animation

[fast dew]

Again, writing mistakes happen all the time, especially when its been like. 4 years between it (HoD and WiTW), i get they write characters years in advance but maybe not dialogue, and its pretty easy to miss too

[strange plinth]

and how much of it is "regular mission with dialogue" vs "cinematics and unique stuff"

[fast dew]

Most people didn't realise the weird discrepancy till it was replayable

I was so sad when i learnt HoD wasn't replayable

[strange plinth]

then it was made replayable and was completely broken for that update
i think its replayable w/o issue now?

[fast dew]

Also, idk if this was a retcon or a mistake or something more planned, as they still do this in 1999

But like. Necraloid being a cephalon, when og loid exists

[celest needle]

Do they ever explain that?

Since Cephalon requires like, a person to be made

[stiff fable]

They actually might have

[strange plinth]

i think necraloid is the replicated loid skull that dante wanted to examine

[fast dew]

Other than loid inexplicably having a copy of his skull, which like Might not be related, nah

[stiff fable]

Loid implies in his Dante dialouge that his skull at least was cloned

[celest needle]

Infinite Cephalon cheat

Steal Grineer cloning facility

[fast dew]

It could just be Albrecht being weird though, he is like that

[stiff fable]

Also yeah it could be that Necraloid is an actual AI

[fast dew]

The entrati family as a whole really likes bones

[stiff fable]

if one based on a human imprint

[fast dew]

I personally like my tinfoil hat theory that its a ordis situation

[humble sierra]

"I forgor" is the best excuse they have. We're actually a child? I forgor. Warframes are humans? I forgor. We went to Tau?

[stiff beacon]

tbf they also had to slap what was left of Archimedean otak in their as well

yes otak was an archimedean

[celest needle]

Otak is a special case since he's been practically lobotomized

Guy found Argon

[stiff fable]

That came later

[strange plinth]

the weirder bit is how Loid called Necraloid a construct, but everything else (including Necraloid) calls Necraloid a cephalon

[fast dew]

I personally think it was like how ordan was forced to act like ordis. But like, otak was the original body and Loid's personality was forced into it with otak

[stiff fable]

Otak was already a Cephalon, but his housing/personality matrix was degrading so they stuck him in Loid's shell

This is after Archimedean Otak's conversion, mind you

[stiff beacon]

oh he got suda'd

shit

[stiff fable]

I believe that's the implication

[fast dew]

Tinfoil hat theory but its one i like as it's not requiring Albrecht killing a loid clone

[stiff fable]

also weird fact but Ordis loves being Ordis, and hates being Ordan Karris

[fast dew]

Weird fact but Loid is a lightweight when it comes to drugs

[strange plinth]

wonder if that's a precept or what

[fast dew]

:33

[stiff beacon]

maybe

[fast dew]

Still not recovered from the idea of those two getting high together. Relationship goals

[dark compass]

Maybe that's what everyone thinks he is

[stiff fable]

Possibly, but I actually doubt it. Cephalonization was supposed to be a punishment for Ordan

[fast dew]

Mother also calls him necraloid, and of all people, i feel she would have the strongest memory of the original Loid

[stiff fable]

Instead they actually let him feel love/other positive emotions for the first time

[fast dew]

He allegedly helped to raise her after all.

I am the Albrecht fella. I know the lore. I am the loid enthusiast. I know his design.

[dark compass]

Do you also use the yaoi hammer in your loadouts

[fast dew]

I haven't hit the MR rank for it yet 💔

[celest needle]

What

[fast dew]

I do use a lex prime tho

[strange plinth]

is- is that hte hammer that loid smashed the coffin with
ekhein?

[dark compass]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Ekhein

[stiff beacon]

yea its a hammer bird 3 sells

[stiff fable]

hahahaha, is that what its nickname is

[strange plinth]

ah it is

[stiff fable]

Hysterical

[fast dew]

He pulls it out of his chest window

[dark compass]

Yes, I call it the yaoi hammer

[fast dew]

Magical girl style

[celest needle]

I'm still using broken war lol

[stiff fable]

motion passed!

[fast dew]

Loid using that hammer is so funny

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/motion-accepted-vote-gif-20716079

[fast dew]

Same w him and the zylok prime

Its bloody massive compared to him

Like???

Who gave the wrinkletwink a gun???????

[celest needle]

Yeah Warframes are large

Anyway

Why

[fast dew]

And reminder that he can doublejump

[stiff fable]

what the fuu--

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/77176186148499456/1435489161602928650/Tumblr_l_1222864187355579.gif

[strange plinth]

why is he so smooth,,,

[fast dew]

He can doublejump

[celest needle]

Brazilian Loid Confirmed

[fast dew]

He lowkey looks like ballas

[dark compass]

Who would win, Loid with Zylok or Baro with Aklex

[stiff fable]

Iirc Void Raider enemies are level 10

[fast dew]

Nah. Gays can just doublejump

Only level 10??

[stiff fable]

So Loid by default since Whispers is 50s

[fast dew]

Oh yeah, no, Loid is winning.

Even outside levels

[dark compass]

Yeah, he is too strong

[fast dew]

He's killed corpus and infested before

[celest needle]

A Rhino in his natural habitat

[stiff fable]

I do find it funny that Baro is just Warframe Jimmy Olson when it comes to Inaros

[dark compass]

He shares the habitat with Grendel

[fast dew]

Lowkey, the best heirloom is mag's

[stiff fable]

ice cold take

[dark compass]

Vauban will win that competition once he actually comes out

[fast dew]

I like how she's not overtly sexualised, its nice

[stiff fable]

not with that supreme jacket he isn't

[dark compass]

You can remove it

It's an auxiliary

[celest needle]

ABS

[stiff fable]

It's like Valkyr Deluxe's coat

Just drags the design down

[dark compass]

But valkyr deluxe coat is great :(

[fast dew]

Ight uh. Best femme heirloom :D i hate Valkyr's and ember's.

And this is coming from a woman lover 😭 i just find cooler designs like Mag's as far more interesting

[celest needle]

I like how Ember heirloom erased all images of normal Ember from the collective memory

[dark compass]

Anyways back to important matters

Why of all weapons Ekhein got a passive

[fast dew]

Yes

Whats the lore reason to Loid’s ability to doublejump

[fast dew]

Her base looks mid as hell ngl

[dark compass]

I think these questions hold a common answer

Yaoi hammer boosts attack speed and damage from heavy attacks as a passive, Loid can double jump

[stiff fable]

Hot wings frame

[stiff fable]

oh, it's because it released alongside Tennokai

So the idea is that you try out Tennokai with Ekhein

[celest needle]

What makes something fall into Duviri?

I know it's plot but

[stiff fable]

going deep enough into a place where distance doesn't exist

[fast dew]

Ember sucks and the only reason people play her is for the heirloom

[dark compass]

I like her vermilion skin :(

Much more than the heirloom

[fast dew]

Her other skins are cooler than... whatever that is

[dark compass]

DE are also in on that

[celest needle]

Man i do hate these ads

[strange plinth]

i enjoy the heirloom helmet + prime body
but i also own No Other Ember Skins

[celest needle]

But how didn't things like Xaku fall into Duviri considering that man is held together by void duct tape

[dark compass]

What is the lore reason for Raya Lucaria in space

[strange plinth]

they missed
or pieces of them did hit, but not the pieces that got reassembled

[stiff fable]

The Void is literally infinite

[fast dew]

It is the stuff inbetween worlds, like space but like. Inbetween even space

[dark compass]

The emptiest empty

[fast dew]

So id imagine there's a spot where duviri could be

We could ask Albrecht, he intentionally went there. Probably.

[strange plinth]

• while entrati's expeditions eventually did hit duviri, they didn't each time
  n the frames that make up xaku were lost on entrati void expeditions

[fast dew]

Would be funny if it was all made of the 3 frames associated with the entrati family (oraxia, dante and Qorvex)

[stiff fable]

the parts don't properly match

[fast dew]

Nah, but a boy can dream

[stiff fable]

though that would make for a killer Tennogen skin

[celest needle]

He was a kitbash

[fast dew]

HA

[strange plinth]

if they'd allow it

[dark compass]

One of the base parts kinda looks like Revenant's leg piece

But that's it

[fast dew]

Also, Xaku is a they/them

[dark compass]

Literally 3 bodies held by duct tape

Agile animations make me kinda sad

[stiff fable]

you get around it by mixing up what goes where I think

[dark compass]

Almost ready to break down at any moment

[celest needle]

"FOR THE LAST TIME, OUR PRONOUNS ARE THEY THEM, NOT BECAUSE WE ARE NON BINARY, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE LITERALLY, 3 WARFRAMES IN ONE."

[woven coyote]

Xaku is plural they as opposed to flare's singular they iirc

[dark compass]

Yeah that is correct

[stiff fable]

so it's not just Oraxia's arm and Qorvex's legs but Qorvex's head where the leg should be and three of Oraxia's spider limbs for the right arm etc

[fast dew]

They/them all the same always neat to see

[stiff fable]

also, clever fanart person sketched this ages ago

[fast dew]

Ooh pog

[stiff fable]

To actually try and make something of the distinct parts on base Xaku

[woven coyote]

Was trying to remember did we ever get a blurb confirming xaku was reformed by the void or by the entrati?

[stiff fable]

Not afaik but I always assumed Void

[celest needle]

Alchemy reference oh Sol

[strange plinth]

"Broken Warframes adrift in the Void converged to create Xaku."
first bit of their description implies void

[woven coyote]

Next thing you know mod console becomes alchemy console and samodeus gets erased from history

[stiff fable]

good

[fast dew]

I find it funny everytime DE does pride month and those warframe fans come out of the woodwork. Like bro. We've had queer characters in warframe since ticker came out 😭

[dark compass]

I'd say rivens are enough of a crime already

[celest needle]

Man I wish samodeus was at least mentioned more then descriptions 😭

[woven coyote]

Nice

[woven coyote]

Agreed

[fast dew]

Teshin also mentions the scholar during alchemy missions in the circuit or whatever

[strange plinth]

is samodeus even mentioned in-game?
i feel like i remember ONE description relating to riven mods and nothing else

[woven coyote]

I remember when they intended to make actual mod lore with samodeus, good times, good times

[stiff fable]

ahem

I want Cephalon Cordylons brought back

[celest needle]

He's mentioned in the description of rivens whenever they appear

Like on the 1999 Calender

[strange plinth]

ah, so he is

[woven coyote]

I only remember samodeus' spam email when you get your first riven

[celest needle]

Warframe woke? What's next the main quest involving Gay romance?

[stiff fable]

can't they just go back to Destiny 2 or something

[woven coyote]

You'd think so but apparently that's how bad things are over there

[stiff fable]

sigh

[fast dew]

Also shout out to Euleria and Albrecht for working on a book together. Father daughter bonding ™

[celest needle]

In other news

Terra Jackal

[fast dew]

I find it interesting that folk don't realise Ticker is a trans woman

Like. Id say its relatively obvious, but that could be the weird trans person hivemind im in

[stiff fable]

It's not made explicit outside Star Days or the fragments

[woven coyote]

50/50 chance she actually just based her work on his and credited him
Hell he didnt even know about tales of duviri before stumbling into voidiri
You know if they worked together it would have been a great time to mention tales of duviri

[stiff fable]

And most people don't know that the Orb Vallis HAS fragments

[celest needle]

It's hard to tell

[fast dew]

... i uh, hate to break that bubble, but he definitely knew of the tales of Duviri. Its in his netracells 😭

[dark compass]

Remember when lizzie used ">:3"

[stiff fable]

that came later

[fast dew]

He also mentions that he's the inspiration for those stories

[dark compass]

That's not a praise

[fast dew]

....it kinda is

[stiff fable]

Coming from Euleria it actualy is

[fast dew]

Do you remember the line?

Its him remembering that those are stories he told her

[dark compass]

I was setting up for a joke but you are making a better argument

[stiff fable]

She has crazy blinders on when it comes to her father

[dark compass]

I wanted to make a joke about him being the inspiration for Thrax

[fast dew]

OH

No i think thrax is inspired by herself i aint gonna lie

[stiff fable]

I think it's super odd that the Drifter was apparently friends with Albrecht in Duviri

[fast dew]

Albrecht doesn't seem to have an equivalent in duviri

[stiff fable]

But literally has forgotten it thanks to time

[stiff fable]

Not directly, but Acrithis is awfully close

[dark compass]

I love Arthritis

[fast dew]

She actual mentions Albrecht

[stiff fable]

OH speaking of Duviri stuff

[fast dew]

"This stranger had haunted eyes and a downcast mien, and spoke of the Wall and the worlds beyond. He wore his hair like looped snakes, and his voice carried an accent unlike any in Duviri."

[stiff fable]

The best and most interesting devstream comment I've heard in years is them mentioning a potential "lost island" crashing into the Plains of Eidolon

[strange plinth]

huh

[fast dew]

Thats kinda horrifying considering the lost islands usually come from thrax cutting it off in response to wally

[woven coyote]

It took him time to realize it was based on the stories he told her

If he knew of the book before/as they worked on the palimpset of spacetime why would he be surprised? When afterwards he stumbles upon duviri

Like both palipmset and tales of duviri were done by the time zariman launched

[stiff fable]

Lore chat kinda got into the idea of an Orokin Tower smashing into Duviri for a while, so it was interesting to see DE going the other direction

[fast dew]

Well, duviri came after that, and he only left after the zariman incident

So he is likely aware of it, but never read it, as he wouldn't have a need to

[woven coyote]

Hmm fair

[stiff fable]

He also didn't realize that Duviri was based on his bedtime stories

[woven coyote]

Still doesnt quite fit imo, but it is probable yeah

[fast dew]

He probably helped co-author it, given he does have that other book, which seems to be an autobiography given the name tbh

[woven coyote]

Fair

[stiff fable]

hmm

[humble sierra]

He won't allow himself be set as an "et al"

[stiff fable]

So, the Orokin Seven all had swords, according to lore stuff

Ballas had Paracesis, for example

What would they give Albrecht for his services, do you think?

[dark compass]

Also known as "The Ducat Checker"

[fast dew]

I hate when people assume Albrecht is an arrogant bastard, like. No he thinks himself as a wet rat

[stiff fable]

He definitely used to be arrogant

Then he met Wally and scared himself so badly he went crazy the other way

[fast dew]

I think he was far more grounded than others

Compared to someone like Ballas or nihil

[restive river]

He was forced to be grounded when he fell in and saw a scary clone of himself

[fast dew]

Oh yeah, Nihil had his sword

[stiff fable]

They were megalomaniacs

[woven coyote]

I mean moas are more grounded than ballas or nihil

[fast dew]

Nihil is pretty

[stiff fable]

Meanwhile Albrecht went full Lovecraft and decided he was dust

[restive river]

We don’t really know what Albrecht was like before the void incident other than he was not in a good place nor in good standing

[stiff fable]

And decided to kill void god anyway

[woven coyote]

Even the happy moa

[restive river]

Pretty dumb

[proper barn]

Idk if that's when he left.

[fast dew]

Dumb as shit but really pretty

[stiff fable]

Also I want to throw the pedastal into Sol

[strange plinth]

most orokin probably

[stiff fable]

One less Orokin

[fast dew]

He would have to leave post zariman incident, Duviri didn't exist before then

[restive river]

We don’t really know when he left for Duviri, just that it would be after the Zariman incident and before 1999

[fast dew]

Have you seen roathe? Like. Hello.

[restive river]

Even with the time weirdness it seems nobody got there “before” it existed

[stiff fable]

He left during the Old War and after the Operators

[fast dew]

Like. Hello

[restive river]

No, Thomas! You’re falling for their ruse!

[stiff fable]

or, wait, what are we counting as "left"?

because he left a few times

[restive river]

Not being in the origin system

[fast dew]

Its a curse its horrid but whew. the things id do to brush Roathe's hair

[restive river]

Which Albrecht does a lot compared to others

[fast dew]

I need to buy like. A wig or something purely to brush its hair

[restive river]

That hair could be yours for the low price of like
35 plat

[fast dew]

I have like. 800 plat, so it'll be fine

I'll get more when gyre prime drops

[restive river]

Lol

[fast dew]

Gonna buy her full access

[stiff fable]

Once to run away and hide in the Void, once to 1999 to hide, again in 1999 to get material for the Vessels, and again in 1999 to wait for the Chosen Operator

[restive river]

Tbh she’s been the first prime in a long time that’s been disappointing, at least initially

[celest needle]

Clearly you don't own an Orokin Tea set

[restive river]

I know they’re busy with the old peace but I would’ve preferred more for Gyre Prime

[fast dew]

Which is like. Almost 200aud but like. Idc that's a lotta plat

[fast dew]

kekw

[restive river]

However if she comes with a parallax prime skin
I might get that at least

[stiff fable]

fwiw Gyre Prime was probably done a while ago

[fast dew]

Clearly you haven't done continuity

[celest needle]

I'm only sad about Gyre Prime cause my boy Gauss is getting vaulted

[woven coyote]

It's her gun
Its secret passive is sucking all the joy and hype from the 3 closest realities

[restive river]

If you would rather farm her you can still get a lot of plat by purchasing the accessories on mobile

[fast dew]

Also, roathe has hoof patterns on his shoes

[restive river]

Oh so it’s finally getting a buff then?

[fast dew]

Nah im lazy and i have money to burn

[woven coyote]

Lol

[restive river]

Aren’t you going to be playing the game anyway lol

[fast dew]

Yeah but I'll probably be busy grinding the new game modes. Which might not have fissures

[stiff fable]

definitely won't

[restive river]

Def won’t

[fast dew]

Oh and depending on when it drops, i might be busy with helping my sister for my birthday or Christmas or worse

[restive river]

But also gyre prime and her gear will just be free lol

[stiff fable]

oh happy birthday

[fast dew]

Im her slave when it comes to Christmas

[restive river]

I’d say save your money and focus on getting gyre prime later for free

[fast dew]

She uses my disabled ass to carry food

[dark compass]

Her head looks like an ayatan sculpture

[humble sierra]

I think I'll only buy the Prime Access if the exclusive cosmetics are good

[dark compass]

^

[fast dew]

Might just get her accessories, but that depends if the regalia comes with the accessories or not

[humble sierra]

Like with this Tauron regalia

[dark compass]

I am sad I missed Lavos prime access, those cosmetics are slick

[restive river]

They should have done more with her model and her skirt tbh

[strange plinth]

1999 still doesn't have fissures
which i'm not really sure how that would work, lore-wise..
-# i think this discussion has been had before but i don't remember it

[restive river]

What regalia?

[woven coyote]

Speaking of curious to see the price of the soulframe founders packs

[dark compass]

Acolytes brought them in

[restive river]

Also do what I said and buy the accessories on mobile

[stiff fable]

new protos handle special missions that have fissures

[dark compass]

[stiff fable]

boom done

[fast dew]

Roathe's fit, its wearable for us

[dark compass]

Anyways byeeeeee

[stiff fable]

later

[humble sierra]

I think that's just a platinum purchase,

[fast dew]

But i aint sure if it comes w the accessories or not. And yeah, I'll buy it on mobile lol

[humble sierra]

It'd be strange to do two operator suits back to back

[restive river]

We know the Wylds will be 30 a piece with Paragon being more but not as expensive as full Excal Prime, you can also upgrade and prices will adjust accordingly to what you purchased
It will also stay for several months and will have another brief run when consoles come out

[strange plinth]

that's what i was thinking, yeah
prolly the easiest thing to do
though it just has to be the right time for new protos, ig

[fast dew]

Aint the tauron fit exclusively for the prime access?

Would make sense if its the same

[restive river]

I think that’s just coming with the update, with Roathe
It has nothing to do with Gyre so idk why you’d think its tied to that lol

[stiff fable]

Probably, since the Protovyre cosmetics didn't come alongside a prime or with Caliban

[humble sierra]

Tauron fit is the one with Caliban, it's the operator suit they're wearing in the Old Peace

[fast dew]

Also, given its Roathe's, its probably for the drifter

[stiff fable]

it's both I believe

[humble sierra]

I think they showed it off on Operator?

[stiff fable]

most new outfits are both

[restive river]

The tauron fit is exclusive to Caliban Prime yes, but Roathe’s armor isn’t tied to Gyre Prime at all from what I’ve heard

That’s a really weird assumption tbh

[woven coyote]

Ye, but i kinda need to see how much my wallet would potentially suffer... in my currency. So yeah as regor put it the anticipation

[strange plinth]

two prime access operator suits in a row would be odd as well

[humble sierra]

Yeah I'd get it if it was Uriel Prime

[strange plinth]

but hey, we'll find out on the devstream

[humble sierra]

Originally-ProtoFrame Warframe primes are gonna be wild

[restive river]

Yeah, I’m def thinking that I’ll at least get the Spirit Wyld one and maybe the Paragon if I can reasonably afford it

[stiff fable]

Roathe's outfit should come as a expanded set with the Uriel collection

[humble sierra]

How much was Excal Pack?

[stiff fable]

uh, the founder pack?

[woven coyote]

On the other hand, operator remaster

[stiff fable]

There were three levels

[fast dew]

-# i did say that i was unsure if the prime accessories came with the regalia, which is like. The reason im debating for it

[humble sierra]

Yep, just wanting to know to compare with Soulframe's stuff

[restive river]

Not impossible but yeah, it’d make more sense to give Gyre Prime like
Her syandana but prime
Or
Parallax prime
Things that y’know, make sense to be with her?
Not randomly a different frame’s armor lol

[stiff fable]

Oh, the Soulframe founders packs are much cheaper

$30 for a single Wyld pact and stuff

[restive river]

Ye

[strange plinth]

on a third hand, drifter remaster is there too

[humble sierra]

Have they dropped the prices for the Paragon pack?

[restive river]

Paragon will be more, I’m thinking 75-80

[stiff fable]

Warframe was $250 if you wanted everything

[restive river]

Nope! Just that its less than Excal Prime

[stiff fable]

Meaning Skana and Lato Prime

[humble sierra]

$249 then

[fast dew]

Ultimately we don't know, haven't seen this much before. They've been doing weirder stuff anyway. Like Roathe probably just leaving the exile he's in for the kimchat he'll get

[restive river]

This founders pack is infinitely better than Warframes, they learned!!

[stiff fable]

I actually think the Paragon pack will be about $120

[woven coyote]

Tbf they usually do learn

[humble sierra]

Ngl I'd like for some exclusive "character" that I can lord over the new ones

[fast dew]

Unless the third chat is loid (im delusional)

[restive river]

Weird or not, it just outright doesn’t make sense lol

[restive river]

They do and it’s one of the reasons I love DE :D

[stiff fable]

cuz you're getting more plat and paid cosmetic glamor

[restive river]

I can see that actually, maybe a bit less like 110? Maybe a clean 100? (Well 99.99 but y’know)

[stiff fable]

oh also I think it's the only way to get the greatsword skin in WF

[fast dew]

If we don't get a Loid chat eventually, despite him being right there, i might shrimply explode

[woven coyote]

The sworb

[restive river]

Nope! Anyone who owns the Paragon can craft copies with their name on it to share with others!

[humble sierra]

If it's the same price or even slightly higher as a Prime Access I think that's reasonable

[humble sierra]

The skin

[stiff fable]

in Warframe

[woven coyote]

Aaaand now im hearing peglin's soundtrack

[humble sierra]

That might be exclusive

[restive river]

He’s not a protoframe or in a time loop

[stiff fable]

[humble sierra]

And very much still hung up on Albrecht

[restive river]

OH
No
We’re getting the sword with the orb from the first reveal tho

[fast dew]

I mean, how would the loop work on the kim system despite it being outside it?

[restive river]

Wdym? For the Triad?

[fast dew]

No like. Platonic, i aint touching loid with a 13 foot pole

[humble sierra]

Doesn't sound like they're related to a loop, so breaking up with them will be interesting

[restive river]

We’ll find out exactly, but the Triad are in a period of time elsewhen to us so they can and probably are in a loop

[humble sierra]

Sorry I keep forgetting the chats don't have to be romantic

[fast dew]

Yeah, the triad uses the kim system in the sanctum apparently, so like. Are they deleting the messages every loop?

[stiff fable]

huh

[restive river]

Probably, or Loid does it

[celest needle]

Or perhaps XX99 is in a loop

[fast dew]

Yeah, mentioned on the devstream as they pull up the chats, interestingly, the third one isn't there

[humble sierra]

It could just be a dev build

[restive river]

We’ll see if they’re even in a loop
Which
They probably are in. Something?

[stiff fable]

oh man I wonder if you have to beat Descendia at least once to unlock their full chats

[humble sierra]

WIP

[restive river]

Dev build

[fast dew]

Yeah it probably is, just interesting that Roathe wasn't even there

[strange plinth]

drifter runs into the sanctum and deletes chat history every once in a while, loid doesn't question /s

[celest needle]

"I'm sorry Kullevero I want to chat with the french nun."

[humble sierra]

From what it looks like, Descendia's pretty easy

[woven coyote]

Since it's a weekly you might need to do it several times

[restive river]

Beat descendia in steel path solo to date roathe (50% chance he turns you down)

[fast dew]

Everyone else seemed finished, just not Roathe's i suppose

[stiff fable]

Look Roathe is Emet-Selch. No WAY Rebecca isn't getting to date her problematic fave.

[woven coyote]

Kinda like kahl

[fast dew]

Loid is too sober to care i aint gonna lie

[restive river]

We know he’s dateable

[restive river]

We do know they aren’t a syndicate system, so

[fast dew]

Loid watching as some rando orokin just pops out of the portal thing and uses a computer

[woven coyote]

In the sense you need to beat several weeks to progress

[stiff fable]

actually

that's strong evidence that XX99 is further ahead in the timeline

[restive river]

Ye

[woven coyote]

Like doubt you need only one week of descendia

[restive river]

Wym

[celest needle]

I wonder if Roathe can give us insight onto Orokin in their prime, non collapsing state

[stiff fable]

The place is called "Albrecht's Exile" iirc

[restive river]

Yeah, it’s a 99

[fast dew]

Can't use Albrecht, he's a bit too odd for a solid understanding of orokin life

[stiff fable]

It's a place he tossed Roathe since apparently he hated the guy

[restive river]

And the triad are doing something for him

[stiff fable]

but they can't power a computer in 1699