lore-discussion

[fast dew]

They asked why he can 😭

[strange plinth]

doesn't really seem necessary
umbra has a special one that let ballas do his shenanigans but that's pretty much the only info we have on them

[normal mountain]

That's why
The protoframes have to let Drifter in
Initially, they don't

[fast dew]

Which is a good question, it probably has something to do with the infestation

[normal mountain]

...
Can, not can't

[waxen mesa]

The drifter can possess the protoframes without their consent

[celest needle]

https://youtu.be/pMSpuIQJEmU?t=583

[normal mountain]

wonderful time to find my brain has autocorrect

[waxen mesa]

its just really inefficent and hard

[celest needle]

I think the ending with Arthur explains it

[strange plinth]

briefly, arthur kicks them out
same as umbra did

sapient "creature" has to be willing

[fast dew]

It just has something to do with the helminth strain i suppose

[normal mountain]

Not necessarily
Necramechs are also Transferable
As are Golden Maws

[strange plinth]

what's-her-name transferred into an entire forest

[dark compass]

the tightania

[fast dew]

We aren't directly transferring into necramechs, its father rerouting us into it

[normal mountain]

Silvana, I think
I still need to do Silver Grove

[strange plinth]

looks right, yea

[strange plinth]

in heart of deimos, yea, but after that its our own transference

[fast dew]

Golden maws are a bit more complex I think

Also, we don't fully know whats inside a necramech, it does have a human skull (which could be from the ossuaries Loid mentions), so it could just have a weird set of requirements

[strange plinth]

yea. not even drifter knows what's up with the necramechs
they have the skull but is that required for functioning or just The Entrati Motif

[fast dew]

Mm, we don't see necramechs without skulls, do we? Other than skins which aren't usually canon

[normal mountain]

The Entrati are fascinated by skulls, after all

[fast dew]

For some reason, even on both sides

Still giggling over Loid's copied skull and dante just wanting it

"Oi gimmie ur skull"

"What."

[celest needle]

In other news
when are they going to edit this line a bit or something

I know I talked about it before but like

The Stalker didn't even connect to it or even was driven mad by it?

[fast dew]

Mm. Lore inconsistencies. Delicious.

[normal mountain]

Huh
I totally forgot that line, it seems

[strange plinth]

i had seen it as the same thing hunhow tells him at the start of the quest
he's killing warframes but not the tenno controlling them

[celest needle]

The stalker didn't have any story before jade shadows by the way

they only started coming up with his lore when conceptualizing jade shadows

[fast dew]

Wait till you learn father has one regarding when he met mother. Says he met mother after Albrecht left, but uh. Loid says they interacted with the grandchildren, so he couldn't have left before they met.

[fast dew]

Oh, so its just rushed. Somehow that's worse.

[normal mountain]

Not entirely true
Stalker's Codex entry has plenty of lore

[fast dew]

Hm.

[normal mountain]

Just
Not quite enough about him specifically

[strange plinth]

far less than he has after jade shadows, but he did still have some vague lore, yes

[fast dew]

DE forgets stuff, especially dialogue, over the years

[celest needle]

understandable though

the game is 13 years OLD

[fast dew]

Im a massive doom lore nerd and it has 30ish years of lore to know, i feel it lol

[celest needle]

A lot of the old lore from the Update 11-20 quests were probably not finalized or they had a rough idea of the future

[celest needle]

Doom is a special case since the game franchise was dead for 19 years

[fast dew]

Ehhh

Still has interviews and books in those times

There's books. Its hell.

[normal mountain]

I follow Transformers
Not quite the same, but some of the lore strands span many years

[fast dew]

Iirc doom 2016 started development in 20... 13? While doom 3 only came out in 2004, with the dlcs in.. 2007? I think?

[dark compass]

at least its not dark souls, where story is like 2 paragraphs long and people make 3 hour long essays trying to align uterus images with a stock wall texture trying to figure out how a burial rite of a made up culture works

[celest needle]

Dark souls lore is just whatever they feel like that day ngl

[dark compass]

thats literally the intended way

[fast dew]

real, and you gotta figure out which show or book is canon to which timeline lol

[dark compass]

theres a very basic story with symbolism, intentional gaps, and thats all

the rest is just insanity induced by content creators

[fast dew]

Doom has a language you can translate, but its only in the new editons of the series

[normal mountain]

Don't forget the comics!

[fast dew]

yup. I'm a ex tf nerd so i fully understand

Why do i choose media with the worst lore writing known to man

Oh and then there's daft punk, which has lore somehow

[normal mountain]

I'm a current nerd
But I focus more on the parts that actually interest me
Which is almost everything but the comics

[dark compass]

and i am hungry

[normal mountain]

Hi hungry
I'm Coshua

[fast dew]

Real

The testosterone be making me so hungry its so bad 😭

I get over my fear of needles by pretending its Albrecht injecting them. Somehow that helps

Despite knowing what he'd do 💀

Needles... testosterone injections

Does that help 😭

[normal mountain]

Honestly, I'd be more concerned with what I'd do in that situation

[fast dew]

Id probably just ramble about things i know about him that i shouldn't know

"Hey so i know you got high with your butler lover fella and decided to experiment on animals. Anyways so what does nestawood feel like"

[normal mountain]

Because ever since I first learned of the protoframe lore, I started wondering
What would happen if someone got injected with a frame of the opposite gender?

[fast dew]

... peak HRT moment

Helminth replacement therapy/j

[celest needle]

[normal mountain]

I'm
Somewhat concerned I'd enact an experiment on myself that way

[celest needle]

That is the LAST guy I want injecting me with shit

I'm getting either turned into a warframe, infected with the infested or fed to the indifference

[fast dew]

Id ask him to do it and just make him increasingly uncomfortable with the things i know from the notes

If i die, i die

[fast dew]

Id do the gender thing just to see if it helps transitioning

Oi entrati lemme become grendel please please please

[normal mountain]

I guess
But I fear I'd do it just to see what would happen

Which isn't usually a good reason to do that sort of thing

[fast dew]

Two different reasons, same result

[strange turtle]

Nah, make it a QTE. Pull off the head, pull out the shard and then stick it back in the body

[stiff fable]

huh

"I discovered a forgotten work by Archimedean Otak on crystallography deep in the archives. He was the first to anticipate the unique properties of Argon. We owe him so much. At least... what remains of him... is happy."

[celest needle]

What being a cracked cephalon does to a mf

[humble sierra]

I don't think the Helminth serums themselves overrode the gender of the host, but the Orokin had enough control over the forms of the Warframes that they probably could design the serums to change the genders

[jade forge]

That just seems like an unnecessary complication to add to what was already a taxing procedure.

[silk atlas]

For the purposes of someone getting integrated into the WF stuff it doesn't seem like the Hex's bodies are really rejecting it any sense.

There's the fact Albrecht had a lot of time to mess around with the Hex anyway, too.

I doubt it matters that much anyway because the whole point of Warframes is that you can design and just stick someone.

Most of what the original host's body would be becomes vestigial

[fast dew]

I'll be honest, i don't think the orokin as a whole particularly cared about gender

[dark compass]

As long as you're blue and your other arm is long enough

You pass

[fast dew]

Physical gender becomes kinda arbitrary when you can change it on a whim

[jade forge]

I'm fairly sure many of his protoframe candidates died, didn't they?

[stiff fable]

Yes

[jade forge]

He does also seem to believe the Hex will lose their humanity at some point and be overtaken by the infestation.

[stiff fable]

I'm guessing that it's a broad strokes compatibility thing

The more "points" you have that line up with the Warframe's character the better the odds of a successful transformation

Physical gender could be one of these points, but by no means the only one, or the most important

[dark compass]

Well, we got Temple

They do lose it eventually it seems

[humble sierra]

They lose humanity but not necessarily personality. Temple's animations are a lot more... animated than some hollow puppet. Lizzie also implies it's the Orokin, not the Infestation that does this

[woven coyote]

Yeah? Drifter explicitly says traces of their personality remains on all frames

[humble sierra]

Warframe's universe seems a lot more open minded about gender and identity, even their 1999

[feral cape]

It comes with existence beyond the physical

[narrow pendant]

yeah but drifters 1999 timeloop seems to reset its progress

as long as they stay there at least

[gaunt cliff]

Wait temple is a chick?

I mean why say it if people want what they want

[hazy prism]

Temple is non-binary, the guitar Lizzie uses she/her pronouns

[gaunt cliff]

Ohhh

[humble sierra]

Yeah, Flare and thus Temple is nonbinary, the first Non-binary Warframe besides Xaku (who is technically nonbinary because they're made up of multiple beings)

Lizzie, despite being part of Flare/Temple, is female

[fast dew]

Every time i see someone whine about Xaku being enby bcs its "woke", is always funny

Like. No. Xaku is just 3 whole guys

[humble sierra]

2 guys and a gal I think

Actually, I don't think it's stated anywhere in lore how many Warframes make up Xaku and what the ratio is, but there was a devstream or Devshort or note somewhere that said base Xaku was 3 Warframes

[fast dew]

Yeah, the skeleton seems female (skeleton is where the body will fall, and the hip to torso is more aligned to femme frames over masc ones with exceptions like nezha and nokko)

Or however you spell it

[humble sierra]

Everything seems like it was spelt correct yeah

[fast dew]

Oh neat

I struggle w nezha a lot

[hazy prism]

Xaku is that one Venom meme

[humble sierra]

Yeah lmao

[fast dew]

Xaku is so real

[humble sierra]

And ironically Flare and Lizzie have an actual Eddie/Venom thing

[fast dew]

Yeah that too lol

[hazy prism]

Hypothetically, how would a xaku protoframe work, like do they have DID

[fast dew]

I think it could be like

Frankenstein over DID

[hazy prism]

Also for the longest time I thought Equinox was male and female with each form, quite surprised when I found out they're both female just masculine and feminine

[fast dew]

Or, Frankenstein's monster

[fast dew]

Just two forms of lesbians smh

[hazy prism]

That might be too cruel, even for a protoframe

[fast dew]

If they wanna go down the "Albrecht is stupidly evil" route, it'll be perfect. Though, with marie, that might honestly be similar to what happened to her legs.

I hope she was just an amputee before Albrecht's meddling

[gaunt cliff]

We are all looking forward to that

[fast dew]

Means he gave her the ability to move again

[hazy prism]

I wonder how much the physical aspects of a frame/strain need to be similar to a person for compatability

[fast dew]

Probably not much, what isn't there the infestation will make up for

[hazy prism]

Like imagine, you need to be polydactyl to be harrow or something kek

Polycoria*

[fast dew]

That is a interesting design choice, not one ive seen in ages

If ever actually

I think Albrecht choosing wisp for Marie was a way for him to still help, in... his odd way

Its also interesting that he was called a Cardinal

I feel like if it was Ballas over Albrecht, he'd call himself a god over a Cardinal

[narrow pendant]

my idea: entrati totally didnt plan ahead when he gave 3 people the strains of the 3 frames xaku is made of and totally didnt orchestrate some event in which the only way to save their lives is to fuse their bodies and giving them severe split personality disorder lmao, or better, its an entirely new person who tries to figure out their past self/selves (best reference i can think of is josuke from jojos part 8)

[humble sierra]

It's based on Jungian philosophies of the anima, splitting the persona into feminine and masculine

[narrow pendant]

"yeah i made prosthetics for your missing feet nvm actually ill let you float on top of that"

anything to get a loyal servant 😭

[fast dew]

Nah, they're not functional prosthetics

[narrow pendant]

stilts or whatever

[fast dew]

They don't have any load baring capabilities, they're actually hollow it seems

[fast dew]

...i don't think that's what he was doing here

[narrow pendant]

hm, just to mirror wisps missing feet ig

[fast dew]

He was a Cardinal in xx99, he wouldn't need to turn people to have a servant

He would be second to the pope, if its the same system

[narrow pendant]

well proto harrow seems to be pretty moody about the situation while marie is very devoted to albrecht, if not for his rank then also for his aid in her condition

[fast dew]

Harrow just seems moody and not fully sane in general

Well, Lyon is

[narrow pendant]

i dont believe albrecht will be much nicer to them than he was to the hex, unless hes better in hiding his true motives this time

[fast dew]

Albrecht can't afford to be nice

[narrow pendant]

in the end, if sacrificing them will help him against wally, he will do it

[fast dew]

To be nice is to form a connection, to form a connection is to give wally more ammunition

... i don't think he is that selfish

[narrow pendant]

it does feel cherrypicked that he chose marie since fixing her condition adds another layer of loyalty

[fast dew]

The protoframes arent made for fighting wally

I think you're kinda misreading this as a whole homebro

[narrow pendant]

i didnt think of that until a video pointed that out and i could see it

albrecht has issues showing emotions and would rather drifter do that for him, maybe he improves in that aspect, we shall see

i just know that if he has to throw people close to him under the bus, he will

[fast dew]

I think its of necessity over maliciousness

Again, he can't afford to have those connections

We see how wally uses those connections to people Albrecht is close to

[ocean geyser]

Man
If the Techrot was real we’d actually be so cooked
Party of Your Lifetime already has so many people hooked

[pale cedar]

Nah it would just get nuked like in the hit game Warframe

[ocean geyser]

😔

[fast dew]

Id let it happen

It'll be funny

[inland seal]

damn

[jagged sequoia]

Pretty sure the whole message of Whispers and 1999 is that he can and must foster those connections, or at least enable people (us) who can and will, since the implications are extremely clear that love and connections are how we're going to fight this thing

[fast dew]

No, thats for us to do, not for him to.

[jagged sequoia]

possibly yeah

i don't think he's heartless and avoiding connections either though, like he clearly cared deeply for Loid

the vibe that I get from Albrecht is that he is willing to do whatever it takes to fight Wally, and that means making sacrifices. If he has to become a monster, and give up the people he cared for, to make right the mistake he made, so be it

[fast dew]

He can't afford to keep those connections, which is why he leaves. He can keep the first ones but he can't make new ones

[jagged sequoia]

it kinda gives me Urza vibes, for those familiar with Magic: The Gathering lore

[jagged sequoia]

I think there's some truth to this, but I also don't think it makes sense to have his master plan seemingly be "love beats Indifference", but also not me thanks. Not unless they're legitimately trying to set him up as a villain later, which so far it really doesn;t seem like they're doing to me

[fast dew]

I uh

[lean garden]

His master plan is psychoanalytically sound

[fast dew]

Don't think he actually plans to live much longer, so connections aren't a good thing in general

[short creek]

do you guys cry when you guys play jade shadows quest for the first time?

[fast dew]

I wish i did

It was a horrifically sad quest

[silk atlas]

I've teared up at a few games but Warframe was not one of them at any point. Still an absolutely beautiful quest

[celest needle]

I haven't cried or tear at a quest yet, but the new war made me feel genuine despair.

[earnest sapphire]

Apparently there is some hidden lore of Exaclibur fighting against Atlas. Is there actual lore on that?

[pale cedar]

No

[feral cape]

No

[dark compass]

what if they kissed instead

[earnest sapphire]

Exfreakybur vs Freaklas

[old dome]

yes. it & the sacrifice broke me.

[white wraith]

What's this I hear about chroma being the strongest or one of the strongest warframes
Lorewise

[strange turtle]

Way back in the old days Lotus hyped Chroma up during his quest, the New Strange, because of his elements gimmick

Lotus: "Chroma is one of the most powerful warframes. Its ability to adapt is unparalleled."

Obviously it doesn’t hold up now with all the crazy abilities that’ve been added

[white wraith]

Ah

[strange turtle]

But DE only goes back to change things when they’re doing a major change or it’s important enough to clarify

Aside from jokes about it, there’s probably still a bunch of people who genuinely believe it though

[white wraith]

Yea I was just thinking which is the most offensively powerful warframe

Can't think of anything that tops nova

Lore wise

[pale cedar]

That is impossible to answer because Warframes weren’t designed to have a most powerful

[dark compass]

Most powerful warframe lore wise is Khora because she was designed in the image of Ballas' ai girlfriend and his issues with her

None of them truly understands how much I lost, when I lost her. Nor by what subtle art my dead love now lives, within another's gleaming skull. So tonight, we shall celebrate. In her honor, and mine, I shall unveil a new creation, a harmony of mistress... and monster.

Considering her skills Ballas was definitely projecting a little too much

[brazen seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/844759181495631872.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[glacial pendant]

This thing that EndyD20 is doing on YouTube with playing all the quests in order and theory crafting in between... This is exactly how many of us old veterans played the game and why we all have such fond memories of the Second Dream... I hope to see more Tenno play through the game this way.

[dark compass]

"ah yes, I made this after my girlfriend. She has a dome of barbed wire, a whip and a cat that she loves more than me"

[glacial pendant]

Like most players skip Stolen Dreams and A New Strange but it's like perfect set up for Natah and Second Dream

It builds tension so well

[celest needle]

Elemental dragon vs THE MUCKING SUN

[dark compass]

Elemental dragon vs a guitar that eats elemental dragons

[tall echo]

Limbo

[dark compass]

Blimbo

He tripped over and exploded

[tall echo]

The quest limbo pulled a gaster but limbo is the most powerful frame

[tall echo]

No no, he mathed wrong and ripped his own atoms apart

[dark compass]

This is just the same thing made to sound cooler

[tall echo]

No

[dark compass]

I appreciate limbo, but

Overconfidence made him trip over and explode in billion pieces

[glacial pendant]

Not only do many new players skip these quests. It was also like we veterans had so much time in between while we had so little to build theory off other than a couple of random bits of dialog. Most new players just move past and don't think twice about it. But back in those days we were like doing so much theory crafting that Natah and Second Dream were like atomic bombs of quests to us.

[tall echo]

That's one example, and warframes aren't made singular

[dark compass]

Strongest warframe my ass

I am NOT powerscaling warframes

[tall echo]

There could very well be 50 limbos just vibin all over the system in permanent time stop

[dark compass]

Cowards

[strange plinth]

stolen dreams and new strange were part of the main quest path until fairly recently iirc
i understand the reason behind the streamlining but it does mess with that build up a ton

[tall echo]

Limbos

[dark compass]

Climbos

[celest needle]

I didn't do a new strange until post whispers lol

And I refuse to do Jordas protocol

[strange plinth]

real

jordas precept is almost a nothing quest iirc
its primary purpose is unlocking the bossfight, but you can get atlas from circuit anyway

[dark compass]

i cant even unlock it

the damn part just doesnt drop

[celest needle]

This also applies to silver grove, hidden messages and mask of the revanant

[strange plinth]

silver grove at least has the aura mods from the specters after

[tall echo]

?

[dark compass]

for some reason phreliac pod doesnt do anything to progress the quest

[tall echo]

Have you built one?

[dark compass]

Yeah

i wanted to contact DE over it but always put it on the backburner

[tall echo]

And used it in the mission it tells you to?

Just trying to help, not trying to be obnoxious

[dark compass]

mission is stuck on "harvest the pods"

[dark compass]

i get it, np

[tall echo]

Well that's funky

Classic bugframe

[dark compass]

I craft them, I get the exchange about calibrating them

Goal doesn't change

[eager briar]

Besides rell why don’t we see any other Tenno after the zariman accident in a story about quest

[barren ember]

I think there was a trailer once where we saw an operator controlling a nova

[pale cedar]

Because they aren’t the main character

[celest needle]

Canonically every other Warframe players you see are rhe other Tenno

[woven coyote]

Really? Hidden messages? Its just a little riddle

[ocean geyser]

You need to build the enhanced ones

That’s the whole point about the calibrated ones

It’s the blueprint with argon crystals or whatever

[humble sierra]

Ngl it'd be cool to see a villain Tenno but obviously that would require a lot of writing

[twin wigeon]

basically the inclusion of the other kiddos in cutscenes and trailers are to canonize the multiplayer aspect of the game

we are a villain

or i think so

[twin wigeon]

not really, just a shift in perspective

We have caused so much pain and suffering, deserved or not

We've blinded Margulis, presumably killed Teshin's lover Valeria, Shunned Rell for his autism, and there might be more

[humble sierra]

I meant more like an actual antagonizing Tenno that the player has to defeat

One who is actively doing evil

[twin wigeon]

your friends

me, if you ever encounter me

[dark compass]

facing our toughest enemy yet

afk wukong

[twin wigeon]

incorrect.

vauban/qorvex

[dark compass]

you dont get it

afk wukong is from the old war

[twin wigeon]

?

[dark compass]

before the nerfs, before it was chained

before the clone got lobotomized

[twin wigeon]

oh i remember

but you cannot fight me if you cannot a) see me or b) move or c) exist

because my black holes burn brighter than suns and i produce more particles than there are stars in the sky

[tall echo]

No

[tall echo]

None of those were us

[proper barn]

Hombask

Talks about "others that where really not nice "

[humble sierra]

It seems they're retconning it to be specifically us who blind Margulis, or at least be responsible enough for Wally to taunt us directly

Actually that's weird since the Isleweaver stuff is directed towards Drifter who never would've been in a position to blind her

[tall echo]

We tenno, we guilty

[celest needle]

throws knife into the void
hits Margulis

[dark compass]

"we throw trash in there sometimes"

[humble sierra]

Yeah but if some random Tenno pushed over some old man on a planet on the other side of the galaxy, we probably wouldn't feel directly guilty enough for an eldritch entity to taunt us about it

[restive river]

We (the faction) are guilty enough that the safeguard for our memory seal was her blinded face

[restive river]

Thing is though, Margulis was our adoptive mother so if we the faction are responsible then yeah, we’re gonna feel bad

Whoever actually did it ofc will feel worse

[celest needle]

Wasn't it Rell who blinded her?

[restive river]

Honestly, I have no idea anymore

All I know is her being blinded was big enough that it was used in the memory seal system she made

And Wally taunts Drifter about it
For some reason
Can like. He not even tell who’s who? Lmao

[celest needle]

Tennoist

[restive river]

What is he, Hunhow?

Wait… has Hunhow ever smiled?
Hunhowally?!
||/j||

[humble sierra]

Could be taunting Operator by proxy, maybe? I'd have to check the KIM chat but isn't it said somewhere that when one isn't in the Origin System, they're still aware of the other's actions?

Could be the same for Duviri now that the two are together?

[restive river]

I doubt that

The whole thing is when one’s in the system the other is in the void

Duviri is just in the void, not the system

They def communicate and share but idk how much shared memory they have, while being the same person they don’t seem like
Mentally linked beyond what shared memories they do have

Like the Zariman incident and really everything before that
Everything after? I don’t think we have details on how they share info other than like. Talking

Operator sends Drifter mail when they gotta go to 1999 for instance, they aren’t mentally linked

[humble sierra]

Lmao maybe they just report to each other

"Hey kid, the Indifference kept saying stuff about taking Margulis' eyes? What's up with that?"
"I don't remember"

[restive river]

One memory bath later
“DRIFTER I REMEMBER AND IM VERY UPSET ):”

“That’s nice kid, I’m gonna go kiss my infested tongue gf and the solar nun, have fun with trauma!”

[humble sierra]

Drifter wiping off goth nun lipstick "what a shame"

[ashen pulsar]

Drifters like “buddy, I died thousands upon thousands of times in a void dimension where my friends that I had to create turned on me. I finally have a chill life and a girlfriend, deal with your own trauma.”

[celest needle]

At least the drifter grew numb

And after that was over it was MOSTLY uphill

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/my-first-girlfriend-turned-into-the-moon-thats-rough-that-rough-buddy-avatar-avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-5710468

[celest needle]

You know

I just remembered the Drifter never fought or probably even knows about the Old War or anything after since he was stuck for so long

Did he have to get a catch up from the Operator

[proper barn]

They kinda gained information after "recombining" with the operator after the new war.

But then they sperate again at 1999 and Old peace

[restive river]

semantics but they didnt have to create them, conceptual embodiment just kinda happens

they had no real part in the duvirians, courtiers or thrax
they just happened

[ashen pulsar]

Okay

[plush phoenix]

i think they are implying that they had to be created or the drifter would have totally lost it

[ashen pulsar]

Sorta, yeah

[restive river]

they had no real part in it other than being there and having the story in mind

[ashen pulsar]

The creation part was wrong tho, ducky’s right there

[restive river]

also Drifter uh
did lose their mind lol

emotions and memories but yeah

[ashen pulsar]

Kinda stopped thinking or caring yeah

[restive river]

the rest of your statement is accurate tho

especially them turning on the Drifter as soon as they did

wah wash the kid king got upset his bestie wanted to MOVE ON?!
jump em.

[ashen pulsar]

They can’t change, drifter can, ig that’s all it takes

[restive river]

its not just changing but growing too

which yeah is gonna be hard for characters who's everything was written on a page as a cautionary tale for children lol

man Duviri and Drifter's story is so good

I highly reccomend another playthrough after our tenno are updated

[tall echo]

-# minus the goth part

[ashen pulsar]

Do drifters get updates?

[restive river]

yeah, I guess so!

I thought they weren't but they are

[restive river]

she's gother than you

if nothing else she's gothic

maybe not modern goth
tbh her style would be what inspired modern goth

modern being 1999 modern
and today ig
but not origin system modern

actually what's the closest we have to origin system goths?

[normal mountain]

...Nekros?

[restive river]

yeah ig

really any frame tied to the necralisk

or deimos

they got a spooky vibe there
mad science, skeletons, faceless riders, etc etc

qorvex and dante being the least goth but I'd argue dante could fit
qorvex is just like

a wall

[tall echo]

Nah

[restive river]

Yah

[tall echo]

There's nothing goth about marie

[humble sierra]

I said that because they said you could customize her to be a Goth in the devstream

[tall echo]

Red veil technically

[restive river]

she's gothic not goth

[restive river]

she's literally like what
3-4 colors away from being full goth?

[tall echo]

So she's not more goth

[tall echo]

-# customizations don't apply to the protos tho just the skins

[restive river]

:p

[restive river]

but
they are those skins

all the protos hurrying up to apply the fashion I painstakingly put them in when I use the gemini emote

[forest lagoon]

Being goth or gothic is a lot more than just appearance

Her attire is more goth than it isn’t, partially because she’s in the timeframe in which a lot of subsets of goth fashion derive itself from

Plus, “dressing goth” is significantly more than just darker clothes or lace and straps, it’s statement it’s an air of what makes something scary like death beautiful

[celest needle]

I think those are just called edgy extremists 😭

they have more edge then goth

[tall echo]

It's impressive that the murderhobos somehow aren't the syndicate that's very similar to a historic german party

[dark compass]

unfortunately thats new loka

[ashen pulsar]

Zey only vant ze pure earth

[dark compass]

if they knew about "void lugger" theyd call us that and only that

[ashen pulsar]

With the hard r

[stiff beacon]

even though its a slur for sentients?

[dark compass]

pretty sure its a slur for tenno?

sentients are not exactly void affiliated

[stiff beacon]

considering it was directed at adis

its sentients

[dark compass]

Oh, I must've misremembered that part

Aww, well

Back to suffering on other topics

[humble sierra]

It's not Sentients, it's specifically Adis since he's friends (lugging) with us (to Daklo, we are no more than void)

[dark compass]

That makes it even worse

[humble sierra]

While Void Lugger was used as an insult to Adis, it can still be a slur for Tenno as we would also be lugging around the Void

Adis is technically a Void Lugger lugger

[restive river]

Still wanna know where we’re keeping that piece of wally

[hazy prism]

we ate it like Sukuna's fingers /j

[stiff fable]

Do you mean the finger or Wally's deal?

cuz I still think we call the finger "the Unum" now

[strange plinth]

whuh

[stiff fable]

The only two entities we know that have a multiversal non-linear perspective are Wally and the Unum

[strange plinth]

would wally not have already found it if it was there?
Unum's not exactly hiding

[stiff fable]

The Unum being part of Wally with a separate consciousness would explain it

Not necessarily, he still has causality

A ton of Orokin stuff is "spooky action at a distance"

[restive river]

The piece of him we, the tenno have

[dark compass]

talk to the finger

[humble sierra]

I think the piece of him he's referring to isn't a physical piece, or at least not anymore? Like his "essence" is in the Tenno?

[stiff fable]

yup

[fast dew]

Nah Albrecht accidentally took some fingers, if wally is talking about something that was stolen and he wants it back, it would be the fingers

[humble sierra]

He wants the Stolen finger back, but he also gave us a piece of him or something

[brittle siren]

it's funny that the demon core only deathly when you close it

[proper barn]

I don't think it was a accident

But sure.

[fast dew]

No it very much was lmao

He didn't even cut it off himself

It was Euleria

[proper barn]

No?

[fast dew]

.... yes

She closed the door on the fingers.

[proper barn]

No?

[fast dew]

... yes.

[proper barn]

That's not what what was said

He cuts his hand before then.

[fast dew]

His own hand

He cut his own hand

[humble sierra]

Yeah the fingers were cut off accidentally

[fast dew]

It was Euleria who closed the door on the fingers

[proper barn]

No it's cuz he FALLS OUT OF THE GLASS

BELL

GLASS CUTS

[fast dew]

[proper barn]

He's already like

Covered in blood enough

[humble sierra]

Yeah but he cut his hand open to write "close it" in blood, since the void left his vocal chords damaged, Wally reached out to him just as the door was closed

[proper barn]

To write in his own blood cuz he couldn't

[humble sierra]

Vinny, we're talking about the fingers

[proper barn]

Speak. And he couldn't speak CUZ HE WAS CUT UP SO BAD

[fast dew]

"I swept my fist across the floor, snatching broken shards. And in gripping tightly, I filled my hands with ink. Close it! I wrote."

And we know who is manning the lever which opens that door

"My daughter grasped the lever. Kalymos, then, belted out a desperate, rasping growl. But it was too late."

Yeah, he didn't cut off Wally's fingers, it was the door by Euleria, and it was an accident.

[fast dew]

He inhaled the glass or sand smh. Practically the same stuff anyways

All something like silica

[humble sierra]

Yep, but all the research afterwards was intentional, which is why Wally blames him

[fast dew]

I mean, what else are you gonna do with some fingers laying on the floor 😭 not like Albrecht didn't try to find wally after anyways, wally just didn't appear for whatever reason

[humble sierra]

I mean Wally's anger is lowkey justified but bro didn't have to traumatize a whole bunch of kids

Though I guess that did lead to the Orokin dying

[proper barn]

He couldn't FOR. While.

This man couldn't speak hear or talk.

He has lost

[fast dew]

I can understand him being upset at the start but he lowkey didn't need to make our parents try to kill us

[proper barn]

Most of his SKIN

[humble sierra]

I wonder if that was Wally's whole plan. I wonder how much Wally can predict things.

[fast dew]

Yeah i know.

Im talking after the healing.

[proper barn]

Like There's a reason Albretch isn't blue no more.

[fast dew]

He went and tried.

[celest needle]

It's just a prank

[proper barn]

Its CUZ HE HAD TO GET NEW SKIN

[fast dew]

No actually, we've recently realised it wasn't from that.

[humble sierra]

Or maybe he just knew the Orokin would eventually turn on us too and luckily we were strong enough to hurt them back

[fast dew]

He had the blue skin and hair in duviri.

[proper barn]

No?

[fast dew]

... yes

[proper barn]

Where did you see that?

Show me a qoute that says that.

[fast dew]

"This stranger had haunted eyes and a downcast mien, and spoke of the Wall and the worlds beyond. He wore his hair like looped snakes, and his voice carried an accent unlike any in Duviri."
From the vendor lady in duviri

Looped snakes does not reflect Albrecht's current appearance, but does relfect his zariman portrait

[humble sierra]

Blue skin is up for debate but he easily could've Refacia'd himself, nothing says he couldn't

[proper barn]

I'm owned

[fast dew]

Mhm, and the zariman portrait is done post void incident

[humble sierra]

Plus the Vagabond is blue

He might be copying Albrecht there

[fast dew]

I like to think Euleria wrote him to be representative of Albrecht

[proper barn]

Okay the Vagabond is blue cuz like all Duviri people are blue.

[humble sierra]

But that one's missing a finger and has the doll/porcelain look too

[proper barn]

Also all of duviri people are dolls

[humble sierra]

Yep just putting a guess

[proper barn]

Have you looked at them?

Like even what's his face thrall is a doll

[fast dew]

I mean, the missing finger part is a little more questionable

[humble sierra]

Vinny, why are you so upset?

[proper barn]

You make thar doll.

[fast dew]

That and he only really appears at the scholar's grave

[proper barn]

Oh not upset just animated lmao.

[proper barn]

He has set places he is each cycle.

[humble sierra]

I'm just positing theories, maybe Wally's mimicking but not copying him entirely there

[proper barn]

I mean all of duviri is a fanasty book based on orokin culture.

[humble sierra]

During the Fear Cycle he is behind Sythel's house, during the Anger cycle he's on top of the palace tower

[proper barn]

Just cuz i talk a lot and disagree a lot doesn't mean im upset.

I just like talking about this thing.

[humble sierra]

lol fair sorry I misinterpreted it

[proper barn]

Its ight.

[fast dew]

Oh so Sythel, you know, the one who rants about wally 😭

Unsure about the anger one, i refuse to play in that cycle

I hate it. With a burning passion.

Ironically lmao

[humble sierra]

If you show up to her place during another cycle, she often keeps her head pressed to that wall. Sometimes she goes "did you hear it? Rap, tap, tap"

And during the fear cycle, Vagabond is right on the other side

until he isn't

[fast dew]

But uh, yeah. Duviri is written by Euleria, so Albrecht existing somewhere in it isn't shocking

Also might i say, Albrecht has the book in the netracells

[humble sierra]

And the Vagabond's mask!

[fast dew]

Delightful.

[fast dew]

delightful.

Oh joy.

Seriously though Albrecht having the book in there hurt me a little

He also helped to write Euleria's other book too

[humble sierra]

Plus, Duviri is dynamic and adapts to things that make its way to it, or things in the void, like Kullervo making a prison

[fast dew]

Wonder why the children in duviri don't have long arms.

[proper barn]

Oh HIS story about when he goes to duviri. Okay so you know the like narration in duviri? It's Mother and EVERYONE CAN HEAR IT.

[fast dew]

Well. They don't even have those arms

[proper barn]

So Albretch talks about while he was there

[fast dew]

Yeah I've known this for a while

[proper barn]

Just hearing his daughter like

Talk over every day.

[fast dew]

I knew it before i actually got to whispers, figured out that the narrator's voice was too similar to mother's for a coincidence. + her being listed as Euleria entrati in the new war

The book's description uses that name. And there's only so many female entrati family members

[humble sierra]

No wonder Lodun gets so angry. Imagine being called "The Prince of Nothing" by the disembodied voice that everyone can hear

[fast dew]

The book itself is based on the bedtime stories Albrecht told her when she was little

Which is like

https://tenor.com/view/god-why-ugh-nooo-ahh-gif-27454757

[dire mountain]

Yeah no it is interesting that the one time we've seen wally not take the form of another being entirely is the vagabond

[stiff fable]

I kinda wonder if the Vagabond is the original "Duviri Tales" protagonist

[dire mountain]

Because theres albrecht, operator, and baro, and yonta

[stiff fable]

The one the Drifter displaced

[dire mountain]

But the vagabond isnt a copy of someone else

[fast dew]

Wally appears as loid once or twice

[dire mountain]

That too I forgor

[stiff fable]

Then again, Duviri-the-place Thraxx isn't the book Dominus Thraxx, he's our action figure taking the place of the Duviri-the-place Thraxx

[dire mountain]

What

[fast dew]

Its weird conceptual embodiment bull

[stiff fable]

Yeah, comes up in the KIM

[fast dew]

The thrax we see is more inspired by the doll than the actual portrayal, hence the weird flesh-doll hybrid thing

[stiff fable]

Thrax is a "Dax child doll"

[fast dew]

Because the original people of Duviri aren't dolls

[stiff fable]

Right, they're storybook characters

[proper barn]

That's all of the book.

[fast dew]

I wonder who drew them

[proper barn]

Or well

All of duviri.

[stiff fable]

Almost certainly Euleria, no?

[fast dew]

The book is to teach you how to avoid conceptual embodiment, funnily enough

[stiff fable]

Book: Avoid strong feelings
Drifter: I'm going to have strong feelings about this book

And my action figure

[fast dew]

Most likely. While its always funny to just explain things away by going "loid did it", it is more likely she drew the characters

[stiff fable]

hahaha now that you mention it.....

[fast dew]

I like to think Loid is the editor for all the books the entrati family made

[strange plinth]

can't blame them too much. Very Alone with angels closing in n all

[fast dew]

Which is like. 3. But yk

[stiff fable]

makes sense to me, he's the one what did the archon shard research in the first place

[dire mountain]

I mean. It did work for a while but I think anyone would have a breakdown being abandoned on a ship in the Void after some time

[stiff fable]

Oh, absolutely, it's just funny

[fast dew]

He gets given the stuff Albrecht doesn't want to do, which is fair. Loid seems to be unable to do nothing, which is so real

[stiff fable]

The book's lessons and the doll were all they had left

And that's enough for the Void

[fast dew]

I hope Euleria gets to learn that duviri is real now

[dire mountain]

Tbh same

Its not likely

[fast dew]

I also wanna tell her that her dad is fine (as fine as Albrecht could be)

[stiff fable]

That might fall under the "keep the family from learning more about the Void shenanigans" clause of the Kalymos Sequence

That too

[fast dew]

She deserves to at least say goodbye to Albrecht, before he dies

[dire mountain]

In both ways?

[fast dew]

Oh, and reconnect to Loid, who probably helped raise her (and definitely helped raise her kids)

[dire mountain]

I mean

If i was loid I would not want to go up there

[stiff fable]

that part DEFINITELY would violate the Kalymos Sequence

[fast dew]

I mean. He certainly is physically okay. No clue if he's mentally okay

[stiff fable]

Because Wally might be able to follow

[dire mountain]

So you gotta give them both skype

[fast dew]

Shhh, we do it after wally dies

[stiff fable]

One of the strangest defenses against Wally is ignorance of his existence

Oh that's fine then

Yeah big party in the family house

[strange plinth]

he's like an infohazard i think

[fast dew]

Ehh, i mean. Drifter does bring up the possibility that wally might be the reason as to why the family fell out

[stiff fable]

I think that's broadly correct

[fast dew]

Mother is also still aware or being affected too. She mentions the tapping on the walls.

[stiff fable]

Like, it doesn't prevent EVERYTHING like the miners on the planetoid digging toward Deimos

[dire mountain]

The Infested as a whole were freaking out about Monsieur Wallenstein

[stiff fable]

you know, the Infestation probably has the only records of what Wally's full power is capable of

[dire mountain]

Well, the void as a whole really but also Wallenstein

[stiff fable]

Since they've seen universes he's destroyed

Since according to Kaya, the infestation is invading "in every parallel timeline, at the same time"

[fast dew]

Also. I'd like y'alls opinion of this.

Loid's strange age discrepancy. He looks like. What, late 30s? Early 40s? But. Logically, he'd be in his 60s at a minimum, even before the cryosleep.

So if Loid was around for Mother's childhood, that's at least 20~ years, and he was their for the grandchildren's, which is another 20 or so years, and if loid was, say, 20 when he started working for the entrati family (unlikely), he'd be at a minimum of 60 years old

But like. He very clearly isn't

[stiff fable]

Oh, future people just live longer

[fast dew]

So. Like. Orokin skincare???

[dire mountain]

Nah hes definitely older than 60 they just live longer

[stiff fable]

Darvo's approaching 200

[dire mountain]

Darvo is still like a young adult

[stiff fable]

And he's considered a young buck having a teenage rebellion

[strange plinth]

i'd attribute Weird Age Shenanigans to lifespans being drastically different
the classic 'darvo's a teenager at 200' or whatever, and he's just corpus. peak orokin empire would have far better tech for all of that

[fast dew]

I had a mf try and convince me loid used kuva

[stiff fable]

It's.... not impossible

[fast dew]

Nah, but it is incredibly unlikely

[stiff fable]

though the Orokin would murder Albrecht and the whole family if they found out

[fast dew]

And as much as they liked offending the orokin, Loid using kuva would certainly kill him

[stiff fable]

So yeah incredibly unlikely

[fast dew]

People would be glassed for even looking at it, i don't think Albrecht would risk that

[stiff fable]

I mean I bet a bunch of them did, but "continuity" is what makes an Orokin an Orokin

and they did seem to jealously guard the right to be Orokin

The only person I think we know who got an offer is Ordan?

[fast dew]

Mhm. You could become one, but you must've been really important for that.

Better off just being a yuvan if you wanna be a orokin/j

[stiff fable]

hahahaha

[proper barn]

I think aging in warframe is reduced.

[fast dew]

Yeah. Dax also experience a long life

[proper barn]

Dagath

[dire mountain]

WHAT

[proper barn]

DIDN'T

[stiff fable]

I genuinely choked

[proper barn]

MEAN TO D AND F ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER

[fast dew]

Gagged 💔

[dire mountain]

I almost made the same typo the other day dont worry 😭

[proper barn]

ON THE KEYBOARD

[fast dew]

Dw im gay i forgive you

[proper barn]

I have big hands lmao.

[stiff fable]

literal skill issue oml

[proper barn]

But also it sounds like a joke one of my gay friends would make though.

[stiff fable]

pffft

[proper barn]

THE POINT IS

[stiff fable]

Oh man, this reminds me

[proper barn]

Dagath if she wasn't almost dead.

[stiff fable]

You know that his VA does commercials?

[proper barn]

Would have been given continuity

[stiff fable]

Apparently there's a "Ballas Big Mac" commercial somewhere

[fast dew]

im sorry what

Giving ballas a big mac rq

[stiff fable]

THE DEEPEST WARFRAME LORE

[strange plinth]

i've heard of the ballas car commercial, not the ballas bic mac

[proper barn]

Like it says

[fast dew]

Orokin VAs doing the most random stuff

[dire mountain]

I know hes in superliminal and subliminal or whatever its called

[fast dew]

Albrecht's VA is an audiobook narrator

[proper barn]

They wanted to continuity but she was too dead to use it.

[fast dew]

Ballas is everywhere dear lord

[proper barn]

All the VAs in the dagath ship are 1 woman. She's done like memes and smut before. There's a high number of warframe artists that have done smut before.

Which I think is a bonus.

[celest needle]

What happened

[dire mountain]

Someone made a typo

[strange plinth]

standard lore chat drifting a bit off-topic
also a typo

[celest needle]

Is there like a consistent time between events?

[dire mountain]

Wdym

[celest needle]

Narmer seems like it lasted more but barely any of the characters aged during then

I swear if narmer was a month

[strange plinth]

the narmer timeskip is one of the weirdest ones
that could be a day, it could be a year

[dire mountain]

#lore-discussion message

[fast dew]

It was at least short enough to keep the cetus kids, well, kids.

[dire mountain]

Fun story is that we literally don't know

[stiff fable]

I figured two years

Just for travel time

[fast dew]

Did yall know narmer never touched Deimos?

[stiff fable]

yup

[celest needle]

Why would they

[fast dew]

I mean

[stiff fable]

Ballas knows better than to mess with the Heart

[celest needle]

That place is infested central 😭

[strange plinth]

you're led to believe its been 10+ (or whatever the equivalent would be) because drifter appears to be an older operator, but no actual span of time is given

[fast dew]

Boatload of super advanced orokin tech

[celest needle]

They never touched eris either

[strange plinth]

tbf last time the sentients tried to touch deimos, it got bio-bombed into what it is now

[celest needle]

Yeah ya'll wanna test your narmer lackeys who are just in pure bliss against the infested be my guest

[tacit bramble]

nakak is 30, she's just very short

[stiff fable]

He's set up on Praghasa, which is ALREADY a boatload of super advanced Orokin tech

[fast dew]

Shhh but there's more there

[strange plinth]

literal boatload

[fast dew]

Shrimply just... uh. Screw it we ball

[stiff fable]

ps Praghasa traveling node when

[celest needle]

But generally how long could wee say Narmer at least lasted

[stiff fable]

2 months - 10 years

[fast dew]

Tennocon relay was her lmao

[stiff fable]

a good start

[fast dew]

Also. Ballas saying he's the only orokin left as if the entrati family just doesn't exist

[stiff fable]

The actual duration is less important than how total Narmer's takeover is

[strange plinth]

somewhere around there seems right, yea

[celest needle]

I have to say post new war narmer is kind of disappointing

[fast dew]

I hope it gets revamped sometime

[celest needle]

They're basically the corrupted with more units

[strange plinth]

in a way, they are

[celest needle]

What would they give them to make them more unique?

[strange plinth]

even from a lore standpoint

[stiff fable]

There's definitely plans to go harder on them

Because they don't fall under Bane of Orokin

[dire mountain]

They just said it was a murex, not praghasa

[strange plinth]

enemies with a golden mask created by an orokin, turning them against whoever the orokin deems an enemy

[dire mountain]

It showed a regular murex too

[stiff fable]

The difference is that they seem to have Sentient tech in them as well

[fast dew]

No clue honestly. I wanna see more hybrid creatures like ballas was tho

[stiff fable]

oooh chimeras

Nice idea

[dire mountain]

An amalgam even...

[stiff fable]

I think it might make the most sense to make Narmer a Sentient subfaction

[strange plinth]

we can save them from the veils, but we don't seem to be able to un-corrupt the corrupted
though idk if we've tried

[fast dew]

I mean, sentient ship, at the sun, is it a safe assumption to think so?

[stiff fable]

Similar to how "Entrati" is technically an Orokin subfaction

[fast dew]

Tau narmer or something/j

[stiff fable]

lol

[fast dew]

Though it would be fun

[fast dew]

Also, Albrecht has the same mask

[stiff fable]

He has a veil?

[fast dew]

Not a veil, but those orokin masks we see w the corrupted

[strange plinth]

yea
the masks are related to the neural sentries iirc? they detect non-orokin and attach to them, turning infiltrators into defenders
why albrecht shares the exact same mask (beyond something like asset reuse), dunno

[fast dew]

Its curious as to why, bluebrecht has only ever been shown with the mask (outside the portrait, which even then, is still there on the table), so like

Is it Albrecht's design or is it a more universal thing

[restive river]

Albrecht’s would likely predate those but it depends

[atomic badge]

lotus always talks about reinforcements/an extraction team during defense/interception missions, but do we know who these reinforcements actually are?

[strange turtle]

They’d also have to find a proper location to do it, and all the good ones are presumably regulated or owned

[restive river]

Iirc other tenno or just tenno operatives

[tall echo]

Asset reuse doesn't really work there

[tall echo]

[twin wigeon]

Yeah idk why that loaded like a whole day after it was needed

[fast dew]

Tbf the entrati family are giga important, enough for them to own deimos as a whole lol

[patent cargo]

i feel like saying the entrati "own" deimos is a bit of a stretch

[fast dew]

... they stole it and put in the void for ages and noone cared all too much

Outside of "oh hey the moon is gone"

[opaque zenith]

"If I had a nickel every time a moon disapears I-"

[strange turtle]

Also like, Deimos is pretty small, relatively

[fast dew]

Im dead serious the same thing happened in classic doom. Deimos was pulled into hell because of rich people 😭

[opaque zenith]

No one in sci-fi likes moons aparently

[strange turtle]

It’s not that farfetched to assume the Entrati, a quite important family who had their manor and workshops there, countless underground structures, whatever all the ruins around Deimos were, and the Heart they’d be maintaining for the whole empire, also owned it as a whole

[fast dew]

Its tiny, not big enough to have a gravity to make itself round

[strange turtle]

Well yeah but 12km is 12km

[fast dew]

Oh hells ive seen farms bigger lmao

Biggest cattle station is... 24000 square miles?

MILES
I MEAN KILOMETRE

[pale cedar]

Infestation had a solution for that

[fast dew]

Turned it into a skull. Would match up with the family's aesthetic

[pale cedar]

Deimos is way bigger than it should be tbh

Like the labs shouldn’t have been possible

[opaque zenith]

Grey strain + void tardis shenanigans

[fast dew]

Labs are possible because of eternalism. The entrati family lives in the universe where deimos is bloody MASSIVE.
-# this a joke

[pale cedar]

Wally casually making the Labs possible

How kind of him

[fast dew]

I have to speak like loid here bcs i can't swear.

[pale cedar]

But you are Loid

So of course you do

[fast dew]

I don't speak like Loid does, im the alternate version of loid where he's the exact opposite to what he is

[pale cedar]

You’re What if Loid hated Albrecht

[fast dew]

I only tolerate Albrecht so loid can be happy

For all my defending of him, i don't love him all that much. I just don't appreciate when folk unnecessarily demonise him

I do this with all characters im invested in, i aint gonna let people spread misinfo about them even if they're like

Annoys me or i don't like his actions

[pale cedar]

Albrecht demonised himself

[fast dew]

He does that a lot yeah

The hex didn't help

Im hoping marie will at least show a better side to him, with him infecting her with the specific strain that doesn't need legs to move

[pale cedar]

It seems that Roathe even sees Orokin as the true demons not the Tenno

[fast dew]

I wish he was just unforgivably evil

I need more people like that

[ocean geyser]

I mean that’d make it hard to romance him

[fast dew]

You're talking to the person who'd romance nihil if given an option

Hell, maybe ballas

[ocean geyser]

😨

[violet storm]

Brother, what

[opaque zenith]

10 min passed and no message deletion after the post _ clarity. I'm impressed tbh

[fast dew]

Just saying, he is pretty.

Im very open about him being pretty. Unfortunately.

I think all orokin are, its consistent at least.

[violet storm]

He’s also a narcissistic, manipulative piece of crap.

[fast dew]

Yeah.

And? Doesn't remove that he's pretty

[violet storm]

I’d rather be thrown to ghouls than work with Ballas

[fast dew]

Ah well.

[dusty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-awkward-awkward-dog-staring-dog-patchibana-gif-2489682387183596147

[fast dew]

I can be a rich househusband and plot his murder myself then

[opaque zenith]

K, giving him the Rusalka treatment. Understandable if you flip the cases, but still gives an wtf in others minds

[fast dew]

I am, if nothing, a very mentally normal person. He wouldn't know what to do :)

[opaque zenith]

Jade light on the first argument. Margulis was normal too and the failure to control her lead to that, he was only capable of controling the programable mimic (and failed even that)

[fast dew]

Im normal in the way im very much not normal

[opaque zenith]

Refer to case 2: the unstable mimic, then.
Unless you're into being a walking doll i can think of at least 3 ways that nothing will past 3 weeks or so.
Actually even the doll-type relation has it's flaws

But go on and try again, I like overanalizing the worst case scenarios anyway

[fast dew]

Homie, im autisitc, im good at being told exactly what to do, its the only thing im actually able to do 😭 i function as a mimic anyways

[unique talon]

This is an intriguing question

If somehow we the Tenno disappear

Which faction would rule the origin system?

[opaque zenith]

Exibit 1:
B- "Kneel" *Stabs her*
L- *kneels*
B- *Go for the kill anyway*

[opaque zenith]

The grinner made the "screw that general directon gun" (Fomorian) first so...

Nvm is Narmer since Ballas would be still around

[unique talon]

He's dead

[ocean geyser]

So like

[opaque zenith]

.

[ocean geyser]

They didn’t specify the time frame

[unique talon]

Nowadays

[ocean geyser]

This entirely depends on post or pre new war

[unique talon]

After new war

[ocean geyser]

Ah

Hmmm

I mean it’d probably just be an all out warzone because we wouldn’t be able to keep things in balance

Narmer can still steal troops due to the veils though

[unique talon]

I don't personally think the sentients are interested in the origin system rather than tau

[opaque zenith]

Then the infested could have an actual chance, since all factions bfg's got destroyed already

[ocean geyser]

Hmm

Now I’m imagining an infested Razorback or Fomorian

Actually
Why haven’t we seen infested Jackals yet? Or Lynx’s?
There’s rows and rows of them in ship tilesets

[opaque zenith]

Could be an inbound selfdestruct, but it can happen in some future update

[stiff beacon]

tbf they need still need to give the rework treatment to some of the other first before another variant of jackal

[pseudo edge]

Question
Given the rank 5 with the Entrati family thing, are we Albrecht's adopted grandchildren?

[stiff beacon]

i hate the mental image of our tenno's family tree

that you have just conjured

[tall echo]

Yes

[pseudo edge]

4 mothers, 3 fathers, 2 known grandfathers and uncle Bopp Bipp

[leaden thicket]

who is man in the wall?

[leaden thicket]

like could someone explain want he really wants?

[celest needle]

Are you caught up with the current quests? Just go make sure I don't spoil anything

[leaden thicket]

i mean i finished the main story for now

[stiff beacon]

What was the last quest you did? @leaden thicket

[pseudo edge]

Why does this gets bigger the more I think about it

[stiff beacon]

Because it is

[leaden thicket]

uh who is man in the wall and what he really seeks?

[celest needle]

Add Kahl

[pseudo edge]

He's our Unkahl

[opaque zenith]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/The_Man_in_the_Wall TLDR: was nothing, then was turned into something, and it's pissed at having to be something (It's more complicated but this is a tldr)

[pseudo edge]

I think wally isn't exactly pissed at becoming
Just moreso intrigued

[opaque zenith]

Well, I'm going by the tone in the dialogues in Isleweaver

[pseudo edge]

I haven't paid much attention to that dialogue ngl
-# aside from the "I could be your lover" bit

[ocean geyser]

That’s not exactly helpful?

What quest did you last finish

[leaden thicket]

oh i read wrong

hex was my last quest

[ocean geyser]

Okay neat

[tall echo]

...whyy?

[pale cedar]

You should pay more attention to that dialogue

[ocean geyser]

Basically Albrecht went into the Void once
Got scared of it
And a random part of the void became moulded by his fear and took on all of his worst traits
Lost its fingers because Euleria/Mother Entrati shut the Wall of Lohk on it and cut them off

[pseudo edge]

"I could be your mother. hm... Your lover~. Your friend :D"
Why did bro giggle when he said that
WHY DID HE SAID IT LIKE THAT

[celest needle]

Freak in the wall.

[leaden thicket]

i see

[pseudo edge]

It isn't just in the realm of possibility
I know for a fact that at least one Warframe player wants a bang in the wall

[tall echo]

I mean

It depends

[pseudo edge]

🤨

[tall echo]

But wally was also being literal he could shapeshift into anything

[pseudo edge]

Yeah
He did it with Albrecht

And as Albrecht

[tall echo]

And us, yonta

Probably others I'm forgetting

Baro

[pseudo edge]

True true

Unfortunately, thanks to that line, I cannot take the thought of it from my mind

[opaque zenith]

I just know that in the last appearance Wally sounded very angry at these voiddammed dealbreakers in this voiddammed Fableworld

[woven coyote]

I'd like to point out the only evidence we have of wally being albrecht's fear comes from the embodyment of fear that sees fear as the source of everything

Could be much more than just fear

[opaque zenith]

Went to the wiki and Wally have 15 Aliases lol

[fast dew]

And the other entries saying that Albrecht might be responsible for Wally's entire existence lmao

• he was only really feeling fear when he was, yk, dying

[tribal flax]

Conceptual Embodimen

[fast dew]

Wally didn't attack him, it was from the seriglass bell shattering, which happens before wally shows up

[tribal flax]

May have gave birth to wally

[fast dew]

Nah, he already has a daughter, doesn't need another one

[tribal flax]

Conceptual Embodiment I mean created wally like how drifter created duviri

[fast dew]

OH

[opaque zenith]

Not the first cannon male-birth btw

[fast dew]

Nah yeah that's probably what happened

[fast dew]

Im sorry what

Albrecht being Euleria's mother is a joke, let alone him being wally's 😭

[pale cedar]

Albrecht flat out says he created Wally and the only way he could’ve done that is CE tbh

[fast dew]

No see its... uh.

Eternalism is involved
-# this is my only lore joke other than haha gay

[pale cedar]

That’s it I’m sending you to the Eternal prison for reconditioning

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaugh-gif-26144251

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-no-there-is-another-star-wars-gif-23332632

“Haha poly”

[opaque zenith]

Was cheking the wiki and saw that the crawlers were prety close to the mosters from SOMA

Neat

[fast dew]

Ive never seen those fellas in my life

[ocean geyser]

I think you need a better image

[opaque zenith]

It's literaly the wiki image for old gameplay stuff, no can do

Best I could do is some forced zoom in

[pale cedar]

Was probably on the old tileset model

[south sun]

?
https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Crawler

[twin wigeon]

modern crawlers are more corpus looking blobs

[opaque zenith]

Yeah the model got an update

[twin wigeon]

the old stuff is more infested looking with its several "eye slits"

[south sun]

could use another update for some more detail

this could be really grotesque looking

but yeah, it all just kind of merges together with the low-poly

[twin wigeon]

i disagree, this amount of detail is unnecessary for a bottom-of-the-barrel kind of enemy

no pun intended for the fact that it literally crawls on the ground

[south sun]

As other things are improved upon, the low-poly stuff will look more and more out of place

[twin wigeon]

mhm indeed, it'll serve as artifacts, relics of the bygones

[ocean geyser]

Tbh it just needs a retexture, no?

[twin wigeon]

but de sometimes does revamp old designs like the ancients

[celest needle]

Beta Tyl Regor

[stiff beacon]

yea they got a glow up

[woven coyote]

Lmao notice i am calling out specifically about wally being created by albrecht's fear and how i put after it he could be much more than just fear

[woven coyote]

Yeah i am not questioning wally being created out of albrecht, i am questioning it being specifically fear

[twin wigeon]

Wally is likely not made from Albrechts fear, maybe something else

is what delta is tryna say, i think

[woven coyote]

The only issue i raise is taking the fear based character's word that something is caused by fear as the truth

To me sythel is a bit like that history channel aliens guy

[fast dew]

Its...

[twin wigeon]

Wally could just be a mirror, mimicking the indifference of orokin society as Wally perused Albrechts mind during their first encounter

[fast dew]

Like. The only feeling Albrecht was feeling at that very moment 😭

He was going to die

He was being exposed to the void and falling, the most reasonable feeling to feel, would be fear

[twin wigeon]

He felt fear towards an entity he essentially birthed by plunging into the void with his knowledge

[fast dew]

Why was he a twonk what the hell 😭

[twin wigeon]

and in his fear he scrambled away and subsequently cut off wally's finger as it was reaching out to explore outside its lonely dimension

[fast dew]

Still gonna blame wally on that one

Why did he decide to try and call Albrecht his childhood nickname???

[woven coyote]

And nostalgia and defeat

[twin wigeon]

Because wally doesn't know any better, he was born at that moment, he has no prior experience in speaking

[fast dew]

Like, i get it, you're new to the world, but you telling me he was able to grab that, but not grab the basic normalcy of human interactionMmm

[woven coyote]

And indifference at failing

[fast dew]

... at the start

He wasn't exposed to the void at that time lol

[woven coyote]

Was definetelly not just fear

[woven coyote]

He was

[fast dew]

he wasnt in the void when he was feeling that.

[woven coyote]

You should read more

[fast dew]

... the fear was the first one

[twin wigeon]

Well he was experiencing albrecht at the start of his orokin life hence why he called him Bengel

[fast dew]

Where did this come from???

Like genuinely

[twin wigeon]

Albrecht was called Little Bengel by his mother and by wally

[fast dew]

So far, from what we've seen, conceptual embodiment doesn't behave like that 😭

[fast dew]

It could also be Albrecht remembering things from his childhood that wally picked up on

Yk, like the whole. "My entire life flashed behind my eyes" trope

[twin wigeon]

that is plausible i think after coming face to face with an entity that exists in the void which is supposed to be devoid of existences

the not-so-void void

[woven coyote]

His description sounded more like his memories being drained

Hell even vented as he described

[fast dew]

I mean, the void itself is a void, it just doesn't act nice when something is in it when its not supposed to be

[woven coyote]

It wasnt just memories flashing they were being drawn along the vapor he described as escaping from his skull

[fast dew]

He also mentions lights on the back of his skull, despite humans not being able to look that far. Flowery language or whatever

[woven coyote]

Suuure but fear is the only thing the void picked up on

[fast dew]

... yes

[twin wigeon]

i agree with delta, fear isn't the only thing it could've surmised from that brief and panicked exposure

[woven coyote]

Out of everything that happens and is described in the incident

Fear is the only thing

[fast dew]

Thats what conceptual embodiment does, it uses a strong emotion as a catalyst to create things. We see it with drifter, while they were feeling other feelings, duviri didn't embody itself from the ambient emotions. It came from fear.

[woven coyote]

I'm not saying fear isnt involved

I'm saying i'm highly skeptical that fear is the only thing

[fast dew]

Ehh

[twin wigeon]

it could've extracted silliness and childish behavior from child albrecht

hence why it seeks to play with things. Like a child.

[woven coyote]

And that's why it's ruled by sythel riiiight

[fast dew]

.... its based on a book.

[woven coyote]

And belric and rania were also fear i assume?

[fast dew]

Made to teach kids how to avoid conceptual embodiment, lol

Thrax is purposefully written the way he is because duviri is about managing strong emotions in the void

[woven coyote]

Cavalero also clearly feared guns too much

[fast dew]

Its written by Albrecht's daughter because of it.

... please note how i said strong emotions.

Also

Those emotions came after wally was a thing

[fast dew]

While he was laying on the marble hearing those footsteps.

[woven coyote]

"It came from fear"

[twin wigeon]

It didn't come from fear

[woven coyote]

You are focusing too much on fear

[fast dew]

... Duviri came from the drifter's fear.

[woven coyote]

Ok sythel

[fast dew]

?????

One, don't call me a woman, 2, DUVIRI'S CHARACTERS ARE FROM THE BOOK. NOT FROM THE DRIFTER.

Lord.

[twin wigeon]

it's existence was born because the drifter was scared and desired a safeplace sure but it was also created to reminisce about emotions he felt while aboard the zariman, Envy, Joy, Anger, Sorrow, and Fear

[fast dew]

Those... are from the book.

[twin wigeon]

and they were felt by the drifter

The Book talks about the consequences of letting those feelings run rampant

hence why duviri is so governed by emotion run wild

[fast dew]

Mm. As far as im aware fear was the catalyst for the creation, while the ambient feelings could've been there, but fear was the major one, the one that triggered CE, over the others

[old dome]

what mango meant is that the void manifested everything, not just the book by itself; it manifested drifter's emotions bc drifty felt them, while reading the book.

[twin wigeon]

^^^^

[woven coyote]

If the book was manifested by itself it wouldnt include pieces of the zariman for example

Things other than fear clearly influenced it

[fast dew]

God.

[woven coyote]

Such as memories and other feelings

[fast dew]

And this is why the block button exists.

Anyways, off to draw gay stuff, buh bye

[old dome]

...ok. shady af comment but sure. have fun.

[woven coyote]

Like it can't be just
Drifter feared and duviri manifested based on only the book

There's other things going on and involved

Otherwise duviri would be just 1 to 1 with the book

But it isn't

[pale cedar]

In Albrechts case it very much is fear though considering how he acts

Bro is paranoid about everything

[woven coyote]

But just like the screenshot i showed some time ago there were other things