lore-discussion

[stiff fable]

actually that could totally work for Sentient liches

they steal affinity and give you eidolon shards when you gank them

[narrow pendant]

there are spots where you cant get hit at all

[stiff fable]

speaking of sentient liches, my idea for Sentient melees still makes me happy

[celest needle]

I know but one of those attacks are going to hit you

[stiff fable]

Dual mode weapons like the Dark Split Sword

[celest needle]

Dodge the fire and speakers?
Oops
Lasers

Oops
blue light

[stiff fable]

Change the stance, get a different weapon

[narrow pendant]

sentient liches which completely adapt to your progenitor frame type after each confrontation so you have to have a wide roster of frames already just to piss ppl off that dont interact with the game and rush through content

[stiff fable]

SOLD

I love the idea of adapting to your Warframe

ooh, maybe they're archon forms?

[narrow pendant]

ppl complaining about how high coda weapon mr are not to be listened to

[stiff fable]

Sentient weapons are MR18

one of the Sentient weapons is actually an incarnon adapter style upgrade for War

[celest needle]

I’m not playing grind frame

[narrow pendant]

imagine using xaku making it just fold and piss off

"I TAKE IT BACK"

[celest needle]

In a world where archons are adversaries

[strange plinth]

17 is not a difficult MR to get to, either
you start running out of fun/easier grinds somewhere in the 20s

[stiff fable]

right yeah

[narrow pendant]

there are ppl below mr 10 who complain about stuff thats post new war being mr locked to them, THOSE are the people i mean, those people are srsly insane to me

[stiff fable]

I hit 17 in like a month

[stiff fable]

there's a guy I used to play with semiregularly who's been MR10 for years

He ONLY plays Zephyr and has a few weapons he uses exclusively

[celest needle]

Grinding Warframes, guns and intristics burns me out of the game

All it serves if me going through a process of grinding an easy to get frame, building it or gun, leveling it up and throwing it away

[stiff fable]

.....because he thought you could get MR from formaing things

[proper barn]

Okay wait that's all of warframe.

BUT

[narrow pendant]

i get why you would believe that but then you should be immediately hit by the realization that that would circumvent the meaning behind mastery

[proper barn]

Anything above MR10 to me is too high. Not counting MR30 stuff.

[narrow pendant]

that was my case at least

[stiff fable]

I had the most fun in Warframe when I had sixty things building at once

[proper barn]

Like you could get to 1999 and not be able to use the coda weapons

That sucks.

[stiff fable]

I think it's totally valid to have high MR locks

[celest needle]

I know but MR14 is a good point to where you have grinder enough to where you can play with all of the fun toys without restrictions and going by further is if you want an easier grind for standing and void traces

[stiff fable]

if you could do it at MR5, why use anything else?

[narrow pendant]

same with ppl complaining that there is a crafting system, 3 days for a frame i can understand but stuff that takes a day, cmon man

[proper barn]

I said

Mr10

[strange plinth]

a...
-# what percentage of weapons are adversary weapons,,
partial truth. adversary weapons and paracesis
and necramechs for some reason. even though they have like. 8 mods

[proper barn]

I think all weapon locks shouldn't be higher than MR10.

[stiff fable]

The list of necramech weapons is actually like 20-something

[proper barn]

And I stand by that.

[stiff fable]

I disagree emphatically

though, no MR locks on Warframes is good

[proper barn]

Like Okay if we want

[stiff fable]

Warframe already has a problem where people are reaching endgame without ever having engaged with the game

They don't know how to hack

[proper barn]

We could go to like MR13 but i don't think anything above that is reasonable.

[stiff fable]

They don't know the spy vaults

They don't know how to mod

[narrow pendant]

LMAO WHAT

[proper barn]

Wait chat

[strange plinth]

i think they're ok where they are now, though i could see some of the higher locks getting dropped down a bit without harming anything

[narrow pendant]

holy shit man are they playing the same game as we are

[proper barn]

I have a confession.

The hacking game i am best at is the narmer one.

[stiff fable]

No seriously, I can't tell you how many times I've had some Wisp/Wukong/other early "Skip the spy" frame joker rip through a spy sortie, reach the console and trigger the alarm, and IMMEDIATELY quit

[narrow pendant]

i think it would help if story and starchart were given minimal MR locks

[strange plinth]

that's the one i'm worst at what the hell

[proper barn]

Also the spy vaults i know best

Are the Lau ones. Cus it's so easy.

[stiff fable]

they took off the MR5 requirement

[proper barn]

Just go the right path.

[strange plinth]

auto-hack ability that i don't remember the name of on my ivara specifically to avoid narmer hack

[celest needle]

So sad they’re only used in 2 places post new war 😭

[stiff fable]

You used to need to be MR5 to do Natah

I think that's pretty reasonable now that MR tests are "try until you succeed"

actually maybe it was TSD I forget

back to my point

[narrow pendant]

free necramech in new war was understandable with how annoying the grind was but now that there is a shop for the parts they can enforce it again

[strange plinth]

wasn't the shop before the free necramech

[stiff fable]

After, weirdly

[strange plinth]

or was that the same update

[stiff fable]

or maybe the same now that I think about it, but I think the shop was after

[narrow pendant]

as for railjack, they could shadowbuff your stats if you have like, no mods on your rj

[stiff fable]

Either way, now you don't even need to build it

You just get one during the quest

[celest needle]

I looked at forums before the necramech change and it feels kind of elitist from people saying that the grind was easy and that it was a core part of the game

[stiff fable]

The grind was easy because there was nothing else to do and we all had friends helping us

as a new player it's miserable since Deimos exists to no-sell youtuber meta builds and the knockoffs new players make

[narrow pendant]

yeah that honestly sucks bc mechs are fun, sadly only voidrig is one that easily stays useable in endgame while bonewidow can easily die :/

[strange plinth]

the version of the grind just before the free necramech was easy, if a bit annoying
the mining laser beeping.
but its still meh

[narrow pendant]

i wont say it was fun but i did it in a weekend for voidrig across maybe 4h running the vaults and not including the other recources

[stiff fable]

took me longer

[narrow pendant]

unwarranted bc most frames take about that time

[stiff fable]

Orphix Venom was ongoing

[celest needle]

Took me about a week to get even half of the parts before a friend lended me the components

[narrow pendant]

incase there were more changes to mech grind, i did it in 2021

[stiff fable]

I met my squad during it and we finished it just in time so we could all stay up late ranking my Voidrig DURING OV's last few hours

incredible memory

[stiff fable]

only change by that point was parts dropping more often

Used to be like a 1:5 chance iirc

selling broken parts was shockingly lucrative

[narrow pendant]

yeah its a decent early game cred farm isnt it

[stiff fable]

oh hahaha I mean for plat

You'd get people who needed a set but didn't want to farm so you'd trade them the parts

[narrow pendant]

well with todays drops and shop it is*

is how i ment it

[tall echo]

Skill issue

[magic tundra]

Guys, lore question, why we need oxygen on survival missions? Like, warframes dont breath, why are they dying?

[tall echo]

They do breathe

[restive river]

It’s for the operative
And I wanna say Warframes do need to breathe but I’m unsure, I know archwing has an air pocket though which explains those missions

[strange plinth]

warframes do take damage in the couple of spots in tilesets that are open to space
eris extraction is the only one i can think of but there's a few others i think

[magic tundra]

I don't think even Umbra breathes
Like we having replica of each warframe, doesn't it means they all metal? (Again, not sure about Umbra)

[restive river]

All frames were/are human
They’re all covered and changed by the Infestation

[tall echo]

They're organic

Warframes are made of infestation, not metal

[magic tundra]

As i remember, this infestation make them metal, no?

[tall echo]

It makes their skin hard as sword steel

[strange plinth]

"skin blossoms into sword-steel"
its still infested tissue, though

[restive river]

Techno-organic

[tall echo]

A weird music genre

[magic tundra]

Wait, what about underwater missions?

[tall echo]

Archwing

[restive river]

Archwing air pocket

Iirc Mag Prime saves someone with hers in her codex

[tall echo]

Archwings provide a (visible :D) shield around the frame to supply air

[restive river]

Oh is it visible? :o

I do wonder what the situation on Tau will be like since our Operator and other humans had to wear a mask
Maybe it’s pollution? So the frames can filter it??

[magic tundra]

For me its looks like arch just pumping air straight to warframes xD

[restive river]

Iirc the sentients got far with terraforming

[tall echo]

Just barely

There's like a barely visible barrier thing around the frame in archwing iirc

[pale cedar]

A Tenno shouldn’t need air tbh considering they stood on the edge of the Void just fine without it

[tall echo]

Void has air

[magic tundra]

I mean, tenno is still a human after all

Still need to breathe

[restive river]

We’re still human

[tall echo]

"I'm only human, after all"

[narrow pendant]

is quorvex though? could have some infested parts but seems largely not organic

[pale cedar]

Orokin can make a frame look however they want

[narrow pendant]

hes made by albrecht specifically for our operator and transference isnt limited to controlling organic

so its not out of question

[dark compass]

He has concrete parts but there's still some sword-steel to him

[narrow pendant]

"Crucible reactor overload, containment breach imminent. Erect industrial pylons of radioactive blight to cement our Tenno presence in the nuclear warzone, then eradicate all hostile forces entrenched by collapsed concrete. Disintegrate the irradiated lifeforms via concentrated emission from the Brutalist Golem, Qorvex. Perfect this unstable machine of Master Entrati's design, in defense against unspeakable eldritch horrors festering from his labyrinthine laboratories below... Qorvex was reconstructed in Update 35.0 (2023-12-13): Whispers in the Walls."
may or may not be a stretch to use that as proof for it at least not using a human as base

or that its similarly like the vessels not a human but uses cultivated human tissue

[dark compass]

Hopefully he gets a necramech styled deluxe

Or maybe even as a prime design

[narrow pendant]

prime def will have entrati obols all over

cant wait for a not ballas prime

well technically xaku prime is implied to be xaku upgraded by an entrati from those obols in the design

[dark compass]

There's like uhh

3 non ballas primes already?

[narrow pendant]

can only think of xaku and lavos rn

[strange plinth]

rev

[dark compass]

Revenant, yes

Quite literally called fatherless

[narrow pendant]

fair, the no lore whatsoever prime

[narrow pendant]

protea stole his father

[restive river]

Sadly, Xaku Prime is unconfirmed

[narrow pendant]

unconfirmed but there are indications

[restive river]

They’re probably made by Albrecht but nothing really states it

[turbid vigil]

is playing Warframe in vr so your looking at a vr screen displaying Warframe lore accurate to how the tenno operate the warframes like how we operate the tenno

[vernal heart]

so ugh who was that fake baro

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

You bought stuff from this man

[fast dew]

Yall uh. Yall ever realised you can hear the man in the wall in the tomb of inaros

[lean garden]

thomas are you schizoposting again

[dark compass]

No sorry it was me whispering

[pale cedar]

It isn’t Schizoposting if I can hear the sounds too

[dark compass]

I wanted to make the area more atmospheric

[pale cedar]

No clue if it actually is Wally though

Or just random noise

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/free-gif-13304638932589783966

[dark compass]

I can see them making requiem bounties

Iike how it works with Coda right now

[fast dew]

No no its there

Hold on, lemme find it

I aint schizoposting i swear

This sounds like wally!!

You can see where i heard it and turned around fast lmao

[short creek]

Guys I had a question does ballas know about Technocyte virus?🤔

[pale cedar]

Ballas knows about the Infestation he nuked the thing and weaponised it

[patent cargo]

didn't the orokin create the infestation in the first place?

[short creek]

Oh Damm

[mystic lynx]

iirc no unknown origin for infested as it exists way before Orokin (earliest we know of is 1999)
orokin prob just the first to weaponize it tho

[short creek]

No wonder it spread everywhere..

[dark compass]

It has been here forever. Orokin just thought of weaponizing it because they had a lot of trouble with "normal" tech. Same reason why a lot of their tech is seemingly powered/controlled by organic sources

Implied previous troubles with AI uprising, and then sentients that could just render all tech null and void

[silk tide]

so I have a question. The techrot is just a super early version of the infested right

and I was assuming this hollvania nuke thing directly precedes whatever the radiation wars were

[dark compass]

Yes

Helminth is connected to it as well, that's how we time travel to 1999

[silk tide]

so did someone make the infested before the 1999 stuff at some point or did it originate naturally

[dark compass]

We don't know where the infestation came from

But it was here for a long, long, long while before orokin or 1999

Hollvania suffered an outbreak

[silk tide]

but in principle its just a thing that happened unrelated to entrati and wally as far as we know right

the warframe were just made by ballas using it and then entrati made a modified strain and took it to the past making the protoframes

[dark compass]

Yep

In fact, Infestation is afraid of the void

Definitely didn't come from Wally

[dark compass]

Yeah, the strain was made to mutate people into warframes because conventional weapons and tech weren't doing it against sentients as per the current lore

[silk tide]

the sentients hijacked them all right

[dark compass]

Yeah, you can see it in the narmer invasion with Veso

[silk tide]

yk now I wonder what would hijack better the techrot or the sentient

[dark compass]

Infestation just absorbs materials

Whatever the source is

There's Helminth in our orbiter, it does the same thing

Converting random garbage into different base components than are then reincorporated to the warframes as a part of that infestation

[silk tide]

is the techrot being stronger than the future infested in general just a gameplay thing or something from lore. Cause the infestated do have like the crazy things like vome and fass that emerged and the whole planet hivemind thing but the general horde I mean.

[dark compass]

Its just different strains of the infestation. It evolves and adapts by eating the environment, so in some unique cases they are changing

Deimos infested are also a separate strain, they even have different damage vulnerabilities

[silk tide]

side thing but do you think if it was the operator instead of the drifter the fight with arthur would have gone differently

[dark compass]

Deimos is in such a horrible state because it got bombed with infestation in an attempt to save it from sentient invasion, that's what you get when the entire ecosystem gets swallowed at once

[silk tide]

eris is also all infested right

[dark compass]

It's a change made with updates actually

[silk tide]

was it alad V that did it with the mutalist thing?

[dark compass]

It used to be a corpus planet, but then corpus (alad v specifically)tried to mess with the infestation using a controlled strain of it

It turned out to be not very controllable

So the outbreak happened yeah

That is the mutalist strain

[dark compass]

Yes

He was already researching warframes and opening them up, I guess he wanted to go a step higher

[twin wigeon]

instead he just got uglier

somehow

[hot mural]

Wait are Corpus humans like Zariman humans or Humans like Cetus ones

[proper barn]

What does this mean?

Also play more if you are still early

[hot mural]

Nah I did all of the current quests

Its jsut curious are Corpus like humans or they different

[twin wigeon]

they're humans like cetus humans

Zariman humans don't exist because they are dead*

Corpus are cybernetically enhanced humans, Grineer are just malformed and lumpy clones of once humans

[hot mural]

Werent Grineer just clones to work

[twin wigeon]

yeah they're clones, all of them

with differing amounts of clone rot, the more significant ones are used as templates to create even more clones with clone rot

they're still human to an extent just... malformed

[celest needle]

They’re technically alive

By process of being void clones of them

[twin wigeon]

not conventionally alive

they're either void angels, dead, or conceptually embodied ghosts like the holdfast crew

or i think its via CE, im not entirely sure how/why they're ghosts

[silk atlas]

human.

Just human.

[twin wigeon]

There are no aliens in Warframe. Just Humans, and disgruntled eldritch creatures.

[hot mural]

There are void luggers

[celest needle]

We made them

[hot mural]

U mean the orokin

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-void-lugger-daklo-gif-4334627403413065645

[celest needle]

I thought that meant the sentient 😭

[gentle cloak]

Haha space racism, funny

[hot mural]

No the orokin made the sentient

[twin wigeon]

Void-lugger is likely a slur for sentients

[celest needle]

No I thought void lugger meant sentient

[hot mural]

yup in a way its creative

[hot mural]

No idea english not my main language so cant say

[hot mural]

What could be one for tenno

Void waste?

[gentle cloak]

Kiddo?

[hot mural]

Kiddo is a way of saying little kid, same with entrati

Wally called him "little something " i forgot

[twin wigeon]

we're literally void demons, maggots, shriveling worms, void devils, tenno skoom, Mara Lohk, and uhhhhh smth else

little Bengel

[celest needle]

Little shit

[hot mural]

HAHAHAHA

[gentle cloak]

Yeah but its used by the man in the wall to mock our operator to show how insignificat he is towards him, Ballas did the same is like a superiority complex

[celest needle]

Duality of man

[hot mural]

Nah we dont mean that we mean straight up racism like that one cephalon

He is HATING

[twin wigeon]

daklo is a relic of an old time leave him alone

[pale cedar]

Little Bengel is Albrecht’s thing not ours

[twin wigeon]

i know

[twin wigeon]

little bengel

thats why i said it

[strange turtle]

K*ddo

[celest needle]

Dark souls censoring

[strange turtle]

Little m*at or whatever the Lich says

[gentle cloak]

Revenant prime user

[hot mural]

true

tbh I wann see the orokin execution the stalker talks about

might appear in the next mission

i think

[ocean geyser]

You mean the Night of the Naga drums?

[hot mural]

yup

[ocean geyser]

Like
Where we killed everyone?

I don’t think that’s ever been shown

[hot mural]

Yup

[hot mural]

Exactly and since its "The Old Peace" it could be a good chance to show the break down of the peace treaty and the tenno masaccre

[spice wedge]

I would love to see that.

[celest needle]

“It’d be mad funny if you murdered the Orokin”

[spice wedge]

Wait so grineer and sentients were at peace and corpus maybe was the one who

[ocean geyser]

But that’s not how the Old Peace works

[hot mural]

No it was Ballas and the orokin where racists

[spice wedge]

That is why many weapons were created

[hot mural]

And those weapons killed them xd

[ocean geyser]

As previously explained
The timeline is this

Old war > Old Peace > Old War 2 > Night of the Naga Drums

[spice wedge]

nah Ballas did that to himself.

[ocean geyser]

Why would we get info on the NotND if that doesn’t happen during the old peace?

[hot mural]

Im not that into the lore thats why I said that

[ocean geyser]

Hell, it doesn’t even happen during the Old War at all
It happens when the Orokin win

[twin wigeon]

ballas and the orokin sent the sentients to tau to colonize, sentients gained sentience and realized the orokin were gonna screw up tau so they rebelled, father entrati made necramechs to combat the sentients and then later warframes were made

[spice wedge]

Maybe old peace will explain many things to us. Even when loid said how can lotus show twisted past history .

[hot mural]

Shes a sentient too with strong powers

[spice wedge]

This makes more sense.

[celest needle]

Wait hold on

How did Natah and the Entrati move the entire moon and Deimos

[ocean geyser]

Void stuff

[twin wigeon]

Lotus likely shows us idealized versions leading up to the rebellion because she's a sentient

[ocean geyser]

It didn’t go anywhere besides the Void

[celest needle]

How do you move a sol damned planetary body 😭

[spice wedge]

Lotus you mean hidden lua in void

[ocean geyser]

Again it didn’t move

[silk atlas]

"Like that"

[twin wigeon]

Lotus basically opened a tear pushed a whole moon and closed it that way sentients can't harm the resevoir with the kiddos

[spice wedge]

True

[celest needle]

Still how do you put an entire planetary body into the void

[spice wedge]

Plus sentients hidded themselves in many planets like Uranus.

[silk atlas]

"Like that"

[twin wigeon]

the tear was always there

[spice wedge]

After old war

[silk atlas]

We move it out of the Void

In that same quest

[gentle cloak]

Just ask mag to teleport it into the void

[spice wedge]

im curious how did the tenno eliminated half of the civilization

[twin wigeon]

nova*

[gentle cloak]

Ah yeah

[twin wigeon]

not half

the orokin were like the rich rich

so like small portion of society, still sizeable but still very small

[spice wedge]

so much interesting stories

[twin wigeon]

also we have frames that control gravity and can open wormholes or control the wind

[celest needle]

So just

nudging it through the tear again just to clarify?

[spice wedge]

I hope we see next week news

[twin wigeon]

you should be suprised that we didn't kill them earlier

[spice wedge]

[silk atlas]

Whatever they did in the quest to pull it out, idk

[spice wedge]

Ballas

[ocean geyser]

The same way you put anything else in the void??

Both Deimos and Lua have a bunch of void tech and whatnot

[twin wigeon]

the void isn't like a tarp or a pocket you can put stuff into

[ocean geyser]

Although they were used differently
Deimos just had the heart
While lua was surrounded by an array of Orokin Void towers iirc

[twin wigeon]

❤️ Heart of Deimos ❤️ thank you for powering our stuff ❤️

[ocean geyser]

Which Stalker and Hunhow sabotaged to try and collapse the Void upon Lua

[spice wedge]

Looks like margulis had best way to protect tenno, even when she got blind by the lights.

[twin wigeon]

that was an accident

[spice wedge]

True

[celest needle]

Who would win

The Heart of Deimos

Vs

A single necramech

[spice wedge]

I'm curious where did they bury margulis

[normal mountain]

Grandmother, obviously

[ocean geyser]

She was executed with the Jade Light
There was nothing to bury

[spice wedge]

by the seven orokins

[ocean geyser]

Man you said this before i could say it more dramatically :(

[twin wigeon]

they buried her where they buried dagath's face

nowhere

[spice wedge]

dojo lab

[celest needle]

It's also where they put the Garuda lore

[twin wigeon]

and xaku's parts' lore

[spice wedge]

Even when the deimos family are orokin too

but they are good one's

[twin wigeon]

ehhhhhhhhh they're just scientists

they allowed for orokin crimes to be committed

its like accessory to the crime

[spice wedge]

Wait they are scientists.

[twin wigeon]

god

[spice wedge]

How did they managed to get vaporized to be come flashed

[twin wigeon]

what?

[celest needle]

The entrati are a family of Orokin researchers and scientists

[spice wedge]

Oh

[celest needle]

Who may have been on Deimos when they detonated a bomb full of infested

[twin wigeon]

they were semi chilling on the moon of deimos and then i think Son let the grey strain loose bc he's mischievous

[hot mural]

Wasnt the son the one who did that

[spice wedge]

Wait they did that, just so they stop grineers or corpus from getting aboard

[celest needle]

During the old war when the sentients were trying to invade Deimos

[spice wedge]

Oh that makes sense.

[hot mural]

Nah its cuz he was sassy he didnt get attention and recognition so he decided to nuke the moon

[twin wigeon]

Justified

[celest needle]

Unfortunately

They did not consider Deimos had people on it

[spice wedge]

And deimos was like a touristic place

[twin wigeon]

NO

[celest needle]

NO

[twin wigeon]

The Entrati set up research labs there to study the grey strain

it was not touristy at all

[hot mural]

Well they can study it better now by being part of it xd

[twin wigeon]

yeah

[spice wedge]

XD

[twin wigeon]

thats why daughter keeps helping us give her polyps and fish parts

[spice wedge]

And capture creatures in wilds.

[twin wigeon]

thats Son

[spice wedge]

To stop infected creatures.

[twin wigeon]

uh no

Son does that to protect the helpless wildlife like predasites and vulpas

[spice wedge]

exactly

[celest needle]

The son did nothing wrong

[spice wedge]

And his experiments

[twin wigeon]

Like who's realistically gonna last in a fight with Mr. Scratchikins

[spice wedge]

hm maybe grandma cheers for them.

Yo who was grandpa to them.

[twin wigeon]

No one knows

Alberect is Mother's dad

[spice wedge]

we need another story about their relative grandpa

[gentle cloak]

Do we know who Ordis was before becoming a Cephalon?

[twin wigeon]

Ordan Karris, The Beast of Bones

[hot mural]

Grandpa went for some cigs to Lua

[spice wedge]

Check codex story about cephalon fragments.

[gentle cloak]

Wait that's a thing?
Be rb

[spice wedge]

Where he was and can he be found again or not.

[twin wigeon]

what?

[spice wedge]

[twin wigeon]

wtah are you talking abt brody

[spice wedge]

Can he be found anywhere

[twin wigeon]

who?

[spice wedge]

The beast of bones ordan karris

[twin wigeon]

What do you mean?

He is physically gone, all that is left of him is Ordis

[spice wedge]

I thought we talked about grandpa

My bad

[twin wigeon]

???

[silk atlas]

idk zijad is just spewing nonsense

[twin wigeon]

He gets more incoherent with each passing day

[spice wedge]

Bruh I wanted to know if there was a story or trail of grandpa who wasn't there in deimos family.

[twin wigeon]

We don't know what happened to Father's Father

[spice wedge]

maybe I didn't rephrase that for you.

[twin wigeon]

or Mother's Mother

[gentle cloak]

So Ordan Karris was prime King Von back in the days? And now it's just a cutie patootie because he refuses to let his anger out?

[twin wigeon]

i have no idea what any of that meant

[spice wedge]

You didn't heard the story how he was made into a small robot.

[proper barn]

Slightly untrue. We know her mother left/died when she was a kid.

[spice wedge]

Orokins evil turned him into that.

[twin wigeon]

Ordan commited some kinda treason, got turned into a cephalon and essentially got lobotimized worse than a revenant player with torid

[gentle cloak]

Yeah Ballas imprisionated him as a punishment for slaughtering the orokin around him

[twin wigeon]

all those mini outbursts are because Ordis is decaying and subsequently glitching out after millenia of unuse since he was waiting for his Operator that has been asleep all this time

[spice wedge]

Just like lotus said

[gentle cloak]

please return "COVERED IN BLOO-OD" safe and sound

[gentle cloak]

imagine if for some reason he breaks out and we can choose a thing like we did with Lotus/Margulis/natah, but it's Ordan/Ordis

[proper barn]

Well

He doesn't have a body.

He would need a new body.

[twin wigeon]

We're just a Kiddo, we're not well versed in Frankensteining

[silk atlas]

He also doesn't want to be Ordan again

[twin wigeon]

Its gone. Vaporized before the Jade Light.

Ordis knows about Ordan and is happy to stay as Ordis despite having the opportunity to become Ordan again iirc

[gentle cloak]

Well dreaming is free, like that Excalibur prime

[twin wigeon]

Well you've done the Awakening quest already. So no more dreaming.

[proper barn]

He doesn't have this body anymore.

[proper barn]

Well no probably "glassed"

Cuz turning someone into a cephalon "glasses" their body

Which literally turns their body into like a glass statue.

[gentle cloak]

I have done all of that, now I just wait for more but I have played all of them without paying much attention to it, so now I just started trying to understand some more things like a literal tower made of flesh

[proper barn]

A lot of the towers are. Unum just talks and can see possible futures.

And has a special group of agents that do her bidding.

[gentle cloak]

Wan't that what happened to some guys in a nightwave mission LONG ago

[proper barn]

Yes.

That guy glasses himself

Also he was the judge that glassed people.

[gentle cloak]

Yeah I miss those missions

[proper barn]

@gentle cloak like no one from the Quills got captured during the new war.

[gentle cloak]

Those are the ones hidding in Cetus right?

[proper barn]

The 2 people that help us that aren't stalker/hunhow are specifically quill operatives.

Well not hiding really but yes.

But they will literally do anything to have the best outcome (the one the unum wants to have happen) happen.

Like Onkko gives up his life with what would have probably been his wife cuz she has a better live with konzu.

The quill that talks to little duck gives up his life so she later helps the Quills as a operative for them or contact I guess.

Also they are called Quills cuz they are "rewriting history" lmao.

[proper barn]

Cetus itself is just the city the unum runs/protects.

God the unum is so cool.

[pale cedar]

He doesn't have the opportunity to become Ordan again tbh the guy offering that is an unreliable narrator

[twin wigeon]

Parvos i think has lines about ordan i don't remember clearly

[pale cedar]

And Parvos' offering is unreliable

There's no way to get Ordan back as there's no body to bring back

[gentle cloak]

I mean, the orokin would use kuva to pass their consciousness to a new body, theoretically couldn't Ordan do the same? Even as a Cephalon?

[pale cedar]

No, Glassing destroys the original body so there's nothing to swap into

Cephalons are basically advanced computers with human emotions

a computer can't do Continuity

And even then
The Orokin were the only people who were allowed to do it

[gentle cloak]

This is very hypothetical but just maybe and a very thin maybe, the man in the wall may have power to bring Ordan back?

[pale cedar]

Could vs would tbh

[gentle cloak]

Yeah that's why its a very thin maybe, but if something has enough power to give kids powers and mess with adults minds and his only weakness is having fingers on earth and the Zariman blocking his passage, I guess he really is something that could do it but there is no reason to

[twin wigeon]

What’s the chance we use the zariman to travel to modern Tau

[ocean geyser]

Well the Zariman would have to Not Move to pull that off

Considering it’s needed to plug up the void hole

[gentle cloak]

Putting a entire new star chart? Holly work

[silk atlas]

Slim

[pale cedar]

"Before you ask, no, we can't move the ship. Something I wasn't sure existed has burst through the Albrecht Membrane, and right now the Zariman is plugging that hole. Pop her out, and we'd see Void Storms from here to Mercury. Which would be fascinating, if memorably horrible. Anyway. Feel free to bring me anything you think I might be interested in. That's all!"

[twin wigeon]

Darn

Oh yeah what happened to Praghasa after new war? Is it still drifting near the sun or smth

[twin wigeon]

❤️ Yonta

[pale cedar]

Most likely got cooked by the sun

[twin wigeon]

🙁 nooooo not praghasa

[gentle cloak]

Wait how was rell able to contain the man in the wall?

[silk atlas]

"Like that"

[normal mountain]

I had a theory on this
If we consider that the Zariman currently is a conglomerate of a bunch of different Zariman ships from across the multiverse (unless I'm pulling something out my rear)
If we could somehow split off a single version of the Zariman from the conglomeration, we might be able to use it

[ocean geyser]

That could also possibly mean that specific Zariman’s timeline is screwed

[pale cedar]

We can't just access Eternalism

[normal mountain]

This is highly dependent on those particular ifs though

[twin wigeon]

Yeah but like so is the timeline that the drifter was from supposedly

[normal mountain]

We already have access to the Zariman
We'd just need to untangle one of em
(Again, if I'm actually right about the Zariman being a bunch of different versions)
No Eternalism access needed

[waxen mesa]

what warframes have titles? Like Gauss's Saint of Altra

[normal mountain]

Inaros is the Fear Eater

[rose estuary]

If wally is as powerful as he is what’s stopping him from just pushing the zariman out of the hole it’s plugging?

[waxen mesa]

I think the fact it isn't whole is massively reducing the power of The Differencee

[pale cedar]

The other Zarimans are versions of events we can't access as they are of Eternalism

[rose estuary]

Oh ok

[silk atlas]

The fact he's not that powerful lol. If he was, then yes, he would've done that.

[normal mountain]

I still feel like you're missing my point, but okay

Whatever

[twin wigeon]

He has control of the void and everything within his domain

[normal mountain]

It was an idea

[silk atlas]

Duviri:

[waxen mesa]

I feel like Duviri is a bubble within the void. not technically part of it, just...within it

[pale cedar]

Within it implies part of it

[waxen mesa]

is the inside of a bubble part of the water?

[normal mountain]

Depends
Is this an air bubble or a steam bubble?

[waxen mesa]

i feel like you're overanalyzing this but air bubble

[normal mountain]

Then I would say no

[waxen mesa]

then Duviri is not part of the void.

[pale cedar]

Duviri is a pocket dimension
But is still part of the Void

The Void made the thing in the first place

[normal mountain]

Duviri I think would be a steam bubble in this case

[waxen mesa]

The implication is The Indifference can not enter Duviri

[silk atlas]

This is the whole reason Possessed Rusulka is throwing a hissy fit over invading over it because it "should be his"

[pale cedar]

Has done so many times

[twin wigeon]

Do we even care about the other timelines? We’ve already killed countless kiddos with that one handshake

[silk atlas]

It has before, even before Isleweaver.

[twin wigeon]

How likely is that Wally didn’t ever exist before alberect conceptually embodied him by thinking the void was not empty

[pale cedar]

Wally has been in Duviri for a while

[waxen mesa]

🤔 i have not seen them about but if you say so

[normal mountain]

I don't think that was ever confirmed to be what happened
But I'll admit, I don't know what to make of that scene at all

[silk atlas]

There's one of the fragment sections that talk about Wally destroying a ton of islands, and there's one NPC that is possessed by him somehwere

[waxen mesa]

I think the void was always 'alive'. Albretch gave it form

[pale cedar]

Probably isn’t even possessed by him but just is him

[waxen mesa]

ah. never found any of those fragments

[twin wigeon]

As i understood that scene, we killed off any other realities that didn’t make the deal, solidifying that one point of time as a constant

[waxen mesa]

Didn't the drifter not make the deal?

[silk atlas]

Incorrect

Drifter made the deal, the details of it were fudged by Wally

[pale cedar]

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?

A. CORRUPT FILE DETECTED

B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)

[normal mountain]

Drifter did
Wally just decided he wasn't included in the "save them" part

[waxen mesa]

what a jerk

[twin wigeon]

Indeed

[pale cedar]

Wally directly placed the tablets too

[twin wigeon]

But like he did save the kids so like eh

“Saved”

[pale cedar]

He saved them as he said he would

[silk atlas]

Last I remember that whoel scene of the Operators dying was just them failing to break out of the loop until them.

[twin wigeon]

I meant the handshake on the zariman

[normal mountain]

Makes more sense to me

[waxen mesa]

Well guess that little trick came to bite Waldo in the butt because Drifter crashed out hard enough to make Duviri which Wally doesn't seem to be a fan of

[pale cedar]

28. Did you forget, kiddo?

A. You owe me. (correct)

B. ERROR – RESPONSE NOT FOUND

[twin wigeon]

He didn’t crash out, Drifter cried like a lil and created a safe haven within the void

[ocean geyser]

Not likely, since iirc Albrecht theorized he was already there, just in a different shape

[normal mountain]

"Here, have a flashlight. Now leave me alone."

[pale cedar]

All Drifter did was read a book as instructed and it didn't work

[silk atlas]

Well, we still apparently owe Wally, so doubt it

[ocean geyser]

Duviri feels like the “Task Failed Successfully” meme

Emotional regulation? No lmao
Safe? For now

[twin wigeon]

Someone needs to teach the kiddo how to read fine print

[waxen mesa]

I get the impression that the Operator doesn't intend to fulfill their end of the deal. What's Waldo gonna do about it?

[twin wigeon]

Actually it’d likely be in void tongue so who knows how helpful that’s be

We don’t know what our end of the deal is

[normal mountain]

Well, considering we reneged on our side...
Logic would dictate he's gonna undo his side

[waxen mesa]

Can they even undo it though?

[normal mountain]

Sure
It's called
"Kill all the Tenno"

[waxen mesa]

I'd like to see them try

[twin wigeon]

If he revoked his power we are beyond screwed

Sure
It’s called
“Destroy the Heart of Deimos”

[pale cedar]

Someone needs to teach Wally how to show the fine print

[twin wigeon]

It’d be in void tongue so who knows how effective that’d be

[pale cedar]

Yeah
Wally just has to translate it for me

[normal mountain]

Fortunately, we have a gargoyle translator

[ocean geyser]

One day i hope we get a sort of voidtongue alphabet
I wanna bully people with weird symbols

[twin wigeon]

REALLLL

[normal mountain]

I don't think it would be that simple

[twin wigeon]

[normal mountain]

From what we already have, it won't be like a straight symbol cipher
But more like learning an actual language

[twin wigeon]

Can we just turn off the gargoyle and have the cavia speak phrases and then have them repeat it again in normal language

[normal mountain]

Assuming the gargoyle can be turned off
Probably

[twin wigeon]

I wanna teach my drifter curse words in void tongue >:3

[normal mountain]

Talk to Tagfer then

[twin wigeon]

I’m joking for all intents and purposes

[normal mountain]

I'm not (entirely)
Tagfer would totally be the one to teach Voidtongue cussing

I say "cussing" specifically because
I suspect Voidtongue might be able to actually curse stuff
So the difference is important

[ocean geyser]

Sometimes they deliberately speak in voidtongue despite being translated

[normal mountain]

OH
Gargoyle doesn't need to turn off then

Neato

[ocean geyser]

Like what Fibbo does after you beat the Fragmented

Since he ends his sentence in “Vashtav, Mara Lohk”

[normal mountain]

I don't fight the Fragmented enough

or at all, really

[ocean geyser]

Although the context in which it’s used gives a good idea of what it means

[ocean geyser]

Lmao

[ocean geyser]

”Well done, Void Child/Child of the Void”

[twin wigeon]

Fibi ❤️

[normal mountain]

Void Child
Simpler translation be better

[ocean geyser]

Fair
But Voidtongue’s definitely a very dramatic language

So I imagine that’s what he’s saying in a linguistic sense compared to anything else

[twin wigeon]

I just love that ppl with a connection with void can hear whispers from us

Like Sythel and Eleanor

[normal mountain]

Eleanor is a telepath, so I'm not sure that counts exactly

[twin wigeon]

I mean her telepathy is void derived as part of her warframe abilities

[celest needle]

Dung in void tongue

Is a real word

[ocean geyser]

Whuh

[strange turtle]

Weirdly enough one of the methods used for putting stuff in the void seems to be an active process

At the very least, larger things like moons on the size of Lua

The final act to actually get it out of the Void is to destroy a set of Pendula, which keep it stable in the Void. Once those are destroyed, Lotus describes it as “falling out” of the Void

[rough cedar]

Worth noting that it's ambiguous if revoking the powers is even within its capabilities. Sure, destroying the Heart would do it, but given that doing so would close off access to the reality that it's trying to enter, I doubt it will consider that a viable strategy.

Sure, one could argue that the Heart didn't exist in 1999 and it was able to breach into that year, but by the same token the heart isn't needed or the Drifter to use their powers in that same period.

[ocean geyser]

I think the heart just powers everything else
Which makes its destruction a threat because it occurred before the War Within

Before our transference was innate and such

[rough cedar]

Aye.

Worth noting that the Holdfasts' comments at the end of their quest implies that the Operator/Drifter is now a source of power independent of the Void itself.

At least, that's how I interpret it. The broader implications of what that might mean are beyond me at present.

[ocean geyser]

To be specific, a source independent of Wally’s void energy

As much as he might want us to assume so, Wally isn’t actually the void itself

[rough cedar]

Right... since the thing that's calling them is the Reliquary drive.

[ocean geyser]

Which is his finger

I imagine the broader implications is that different bits of void energy are… attuned differently

Because we basically use our powers for the exact opposite reason Wally would

Furthermore: different Void energies have different colours

[rough cedar]

If I remember correctly Quinn likened our energy to light.

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[ocean geyser]

Neural Sentry is Gold
The raw Void is white and teal
Wally and us is more teals and blues

[pale cedar]

Raw Void?

[ocean geyser]

Just like
The base void itself

Unrelated to anything

[pale cedar]

Base Void is blue

[rough cedar]

Like the kind seen at the end of the Tempestarii quest.

[ocean geyser]

and white

You can see it in the star chart, void traces and such

The white is especially prominent

[rough cedar]

I use the top two corner colours in the Ice palette for raw Void energy, and it seems close enough.

[ocean geyser]

I’m not saying there isn’t blue

[twin wigeon]

We also have a unique void signature that makes the Codas want to mess with us despite most intelligent infested revering us?

[ocean geyser]

The Codas are just funky like that

[twin wigeon]

Ok fair

[rough cedar]

Music is truly a universal language.

[ocean geyser]

That does remind me of how most infested are like “NOOOO WE ARE YOUR FLESH WHY ARE YOU HURTING US.”

Meanwhile the Zealoid Prelate is just “man, these guys are cool. Anyway I’m going to kill you now.”

[rough cedar]

First time I've ever had a boss introduce itself by calling me beautiful.

[ocean geyser]

Although that could just be because he properly understands what a Warframe is and it’s purpose

He just laments that the infestation itself cannot use them, and therefore we must die

[ocean geyser]

Yeah lmao

I also have the feeling that the Helminth brags about the Warframes

[rough cedar]

"Look at all these cool things I made!"

[ocean geyser]

“And no, you don’t get any >:)”

[rough cedar]

"Except Mesa that one time."

[twin wigeon]

Silly Helminth

[ocean geyser]

Because i’m assuming that the entire reason we got to 1999 was because the Helminth created an Excalibur over there and spat it out

And then we transferred into it

[rough cedar]

That seems to be the working theory.

[ocean geyser]

Which means that the Helminth has absolutely no issue with throwing warframes at other strains

[rough cedar]

And I mean theory in the scientific sense, as in the closest we can get to certainty.

[strange turtle]

Yeah he thinks we’re pretty neat, except for the us part

(during fight) Zealoid Prelate: "Your strength… valuable. Your self… worthless."

(during fight) Zealoid Prelate: "We shall wash the self out of you."

(during fight) Zealoid Prelate: "Paradise… comes for you."

[ocean geyser]

So in a sense
Warframes ✅
Tenno ❌

[rough cedar]

"DEMON! Oh DEEEMON!"

[twin wigeon]

I love Lizzie

[ocean geyser]

Lizzie is peak

She also has an uh
Interesting voice

[rough cedar]

:)

[twin wigeon]

Her voice lines and damage output are so funny

[ocean geyser]

Didn’t lizzie go “:3” once

[twin wigeon]

Lizzie is PEAKKKKK

[rough cedar]

I will never not love the idea of a techno-organic monster hivemind knowing how to use emoticons.

[twin wigeon]

If only the other techrot knew how to do emoticons instead of displaying ads

[rough cedar]

Also, the idea that said hivemind "loves" us is certainly an interesting take on the concept. I only wish it were clearer whether the "us" refers to just the Tenno, or humanity in general.

[strange turtle]

Not just the :3 but the ;), and the >:3 too

[ocean geyser]

woah

[rough cedar]

I don't think that means Ishlun is voidtongue for excrement.

Hazard of using fabricated terms is that sometimes a word you come up with already has an existing meaning in a real language.

IIRC "Kuva" is actually an expletive in at least one language.

[hot mural]

Forgetting the part where Hunhow tried killing us, isn't he in a way a good character just with hatred towards the Orokin

Aswell as watching now the Demo for The Old Peace I have to say the singing part from that sentient friend was amazing

[restive river]

Adis is fantastic

I sure hope nothing bad happens to our old best friend!

[celest needle]

They’ll definitely have a happy ending

The Hex so can they

[restive river]

Cause things historically go great

Especially for those around us

[restive river]

The difference here is the whole point of that is that we could change it to be better, it was not a happy ending initially

Old Peace is a memory, we can’t fix what happens cause it happened over a thousand years ago and this ain’t time travel

If there’s a happy ending to this I doubt it will be within the Old Peace, maybe Tau but we know the Old Peace is opening up a whole entire new arc so any happy ending won’t be a while

Iirc they said the Tau arc will be the biggest one too

[celest needle]

They have to introduce some kind of twist to the old peace since we can mostly predict the plot at this point

[hot mural]

Im sorry but

I got my hairs in the arms pointy, and that happened only once with The Sacrifice

Adis voice actor/singer is

amazing

[restive river]

Oh yeah probably, but it’s not like that twist is gonna be we can go back and change things

[hot mural]

I mean with the Void all is possible

[restive river]

If the quest ends with Adis hating us, then we can’t do much to change that

[stiff fable]

Oh Ducky you make me lol

[restive river]

Eeh, yes and no

[stiff fable]

Adis is obviously gonna die

[restive river]

Oh yeah no probably

[stiff fable]

The question is what happened to him after

[hot mural]

I hate u both

[restive river]

):

[hot mural]

I cant wathc the damn Demo and enjoy the music

free my boy Adis he did nothing wrong

[restive river]

I don’t want Adis to die

[stiff fable]

The most messed up thing would be if Hunhow took his remnants and remade him into Natah

[restive river]

I really hope he survives to modern day and we see him all grown up next year

[hot mural]

He might talk a bit slow and weird but he signs it with his "sentient" heart or core

[silk atlas]

My read is that Adis is gonna be the reason the war flares back up again because she tries to tell the Sentients the Operators are evil (even though Adis sat there doing a big nothing while we were getting strangled)

[restive river]

Ooh a twist on the natah trans theory

[restive river]

*he

[stiff fable]

Cuz the whole rebuilding Sentients thing he does is something we've seen her do when she reactivated Praghasa

[hot mural]

what now about Natah

[silk atlas]

Oof

[hot mural]

Im just know the lore from the game no theories

[stiff fable]

I'm speculatin'

I have no proof

[restive river]

I wonder if we’ll get that Tau flower or Adis’ mask as a decoration from the quest

[stiff fable]

But Erra existed before Old Peace

Why not both?

[restive river]

He made Caliban

Natah though?
I know there’s a line talking about when she was made but tbh it’s not that clear

[strange turtle]

Adis mask hood

[stiff fable]

Yeah exactly

[restive river]

Our Operator just weeping behind it

[stiff fable]

reminder that Sentient bits are pieces of their body

You're wearing his face

[restive river]

We don’t know if the mask was part of his body tho

[stiff fable]

Sentient/Off

[restive river]

The vibe is that he’s forced to wear it, he’s forced to appear and be more human cause
He’s on the side of humanity

Until he’s not and off comes the mask

[stiff fable]

I don't think it's directly forced, more... an attempt at assimilation?

[hot mural]

he looks weird without it tbh, I still like his singing

[stiff fable]

And then when you off the Sentient he's like "dude would you have done the same if that were me????"

Malcolm X moment

[restive river]

I don’t mean like physically forced onto him, he takes it off really easily
But he was maybe given it due to him working with the tenno and for the Orokin

[stiff fable]

Right exactly

Like, let's assume the Orokin were genuine in their attempt at peace (lol. lmao)

[hot mural]

Wait also is the Lotus still a Sentient or not anymore?

[stiff fable]

She is

[restive river]

Idk the exact wording but something along like
Societal norms and pressure but
During war

[restive river]

She’s never not been a sentient

[stiff fable]

But she's a Sentient Mimic which means she can take humaniform more or less perfectly

[stiff fable]

except when she was an eidolon but I'm not that pedantic

[hot mural]

The orokin, where we have a guy love drunk for a woman long gone he couldn't protect, another guy shunned cuz he is discovering the void and if most of the orokin where as prideful as Son or Mother or sassy then no way they where genuine

[restive river]

Iirc Ballas also programmed her to act and be like Margulis which largely explains her appearance

[hot mural]

Sorry I dont understand

[stiff fable]

I know I've said this a bunch of times but I don't quite buy all that

[restive river]

Eidolon’s are still sentients but like
In the same way zombies are still human

[hot mural]

Pretty much

[stiff fable]

She mentioned she's seen Wally before

[restive river]

Sorry, double negative
“Never not” cancels itself out
She’s always been a sentient

[hot mural]

Yeah she was a mimic

[stiff fable]

I kinda suspect she cut a deal with him to get even further into her Margulis persona

[restive river]

Ye
The sentient mimic queen

[restive river]

Can you elaborate?

[stiff fable]

Pure headcanon

Like, genuinely, I just have this suspicion that there's MORE to the Lotus/Margulis connection

And the one dangling thread of evidence is Natah mentioning during Ropapolyst that she's seen Wally before

[restive river]

The difficulty with her making any sort of deal with Wally is the placement of it

[hot mural]

Oh btw about that

[restive river]

Wally was trapped til Chains and she thought he wasn’t even real til the New War but in the Ropa fight she mentions him…

[hot mural]

Can u guys give me a quick short lore order for Alad V from when we meet him to Infested or whats his end

[stiff fable]

As evidenced by Old Peace, there's even space in the backstory to drive the Zariman through it

[restive river]

He’s still alive
He’s the system’s biggest cockroach

[stiff fable]

But like, Wally possesses the Operator during War Within

[pale cedar]

Even in New War she tried to hide the fact he showed up

[stiff fable]

Which is before Chains

[restive river]

Yeah, he’s shown to have influence through his pieces which
We have

[hot mural]

Hey Tenno that big ass wall u saw talking and ur doppleganger, dont worry thats just some of that Cetus soup you had

[restive river]

Him reaching out to Lotus or her to him just doesn’t add up to me, not prior to chains at least

[stiff fable]

I mean, there is a whole opening for that too

[hot mural]

I get the Lotus wants to protect us but so far her hiding things has done nothing more than put us in risk or make things worse

[restive river]

Yeah there’s space post chains afaik, which is when it’d have to be

[restive river]

She isn’t hiding as much, atm she’s actively trying to protect us too

Literally serving as a distraction against Wally and instructing us on the next stops
Drifter to 1999
Operator to the fancy bathtub

On multiple fronts we’re working to get to Albrecht and along the way ig we’ll figure out what to do

[hot mural]

I would like the Tenno to know my drifter bagged an Asian baddie fr

[restive river]

Drifter learned about love
I wonder what Operator will gain, other than a motive to go to Tau

[hot mural]

He had love from the lotus

OH OH HEAR ME OUT

[restive river]

I mean they both have love

[hot mural]

The drifter had the Thrax as a friend what about the Tenno had the love of the lotus so this quest is about the friendship he lost

[restive river]

Operator’s sorta found family extends across the system

[restive river]

I mean it’s def about our Operator losing Adis to some extent

We def will lose him as a friend if nothing else
If he loses his life than that’s a whole heaping plate of grief for our Operator

Hey yeah remember your best buddy? Yeah you betrayed his trust and he may or may not be dead
Live with the fact there’s nothing you can do to fix it!

[pale cedar]

“It was him or me”

[hot mural]

Its how I see it ( Operator love from Lotus since start) (Drifter frienship > toxic friendship from Thrax) so how about 1999 was about (Drifter learning Love) and Old Peace (Operator learning/remembering friendship)

[restive river]

Cause seriously, how do we fix our relationship with Adis, if at all
Most I can see is him being a tentative ally against Wally

[pale cedar]

Lotus is acting less motherly this update it seems tbh

[restive river]

She’s wanting to get stuff done

[hot mural]

Give him a Flawless Sentient Core fr

[restive river]

Oh yeah here’s the beating heart of a fragment, we cool? Lmao

[patent cargo]

give him the heart of his own kin? sureeeeee

[hot mural]

hahahaha

U guys did got the joke xd

[restive river]

Lmao

I do think at most he’ll be a tentative ally

[hot mural]

Still Id guess theres a major symbolism with that flower and trust

[hot mural]

whats that

[restive river]

Though we’ll see
Maybe he matured, forgave us and is above racism

[hot mural]

Also arent Sentients an AI in a way?

[restive river]

Kinda like Hunhow in the New War
Enemy of my enemy is my friend

[restive river]

They are explicitly AI

[hot mural]

Warframe is about racism,fascism and trauma and space trauma

Ima train AI so they become sentient too fr

[restive river]

The difference between trauma and space trauma is where they take place

[hot mural]

Oh sorry I forgot about Drifter add to that Story trauma

[restive river]

Zariman? Space trauma
The war? Space trauma
Duviri? Technically not in space, void trauma?

[hot mural]

Our tenno has a good Mesmer skin for all that trauma man

One is fighting his past and the other is rizzing up in the past

[restive river]

Margulis put a system in place to seal away traumatic memories

Which just gives us memory issues and dealing with that trauma later

Also Drifter is dealing with their trauma too, they talk to the Hex about what Duviri was like
It’s the closest we’ve had to therapy

[hot mural]

Oh also another question I stopped playing when The New War came out so when did the new eximus with powers came out or their explanation?

[hot mural]

Arthur is really interested in it

[restive river]

They were just reworked, the only new eximus is the Jade Light ones which are from Jade’s motes

The lore behind all Eximus are “they’re built different” lmao

[restive river]

He does have a lot of trauma too

The Drifter’s Duviri trauma also relates to the current situation for the Hex, that being an endless loop and navigating it

[hot mural]

So its like Clones>Giga Clones>Lich>Queen

[restive river]

Drifter was in there so long they lost the ability to feel, they lost their memories
They don’g want that for the Hex and it helps they all have eachother

[hot mural]

True true

[hot mural]

Dont forget the pizza helps too

[restive river]

And however many other Protoframes Albrecht made (that are in 1999)

[restive river]

Still wish we got a pizza bike 😔

[hot mural]

Albrech really was playing Fashion frame with the protoframes man

Wait is this Adis too?

[restive river]

No idk what that is

[hot mural]

I found out its from Doom sorry

[restive river]

Lol

[celest needle]

But what is it going to be

[proper barn]

my called shot

is the end is us meeting lotus for the first time.

OR we see LOTUS's PESPECTIVE for some of it and the ending is the same as i just described.

[hollow pewter]

where can i find lore on ivara

[dark compass]

Leverian codex entry in-game

Pick Ivara

[hollow pewter]

do i need to do anything to unlock that or am i just able to view it at any time

[dark compass]

No, available at any time

Open that codex panel on the left from the market computer

And pick Leverian

[hollow pewter]

o ok

[dark compass]

You'll see a bunch of stories, Ivara is one of them

[hollow pewter]

u happen to know anythign else about ivara? like builds or augments or anything?

[dark compass]

Nope, sadly, never really used her properly

But her story is really cool

[hollow pewter]

i jus got ivara prime and shes really cool looking

[celest needle]

COOL HYENA

https://tenor.com/view/hyena-yeen-spotted-hyena-animal-cute-animal-gif-5345999193097161274

[brittle siren]

I wonder, after the OP rework, does Wally's face also change?

Or DE keep the old one to maintain the “uncanny” theme

[silk atlas]

I would assume it changes with Operator, since that'd just double up on the resourced allocated for that. Would be cool if they kept it but I doubt it

[ashen pulsar]

I think it’d still feel uncanny, if not more uncanny

The new realism and staying consistent with how your op looks would be really uncanny

[woven coyote]

The idea is a doppelganger not just a random unrelated creepy kid
So for jt to work the appearance has to update

[brittle siren]

yeah true

[waxen mesa]

I have a three teir question

Are other players canon in

General Star chart.

Entrati lab

Hollvania

[strange plinth]

yes, yes, no
most likely

[hazy prism]

what are the giant human figures in the Sanctum Anatomica ?

[brittle siren]

I dont think the Entrati lab players is canon though, since if so, then The Mother would went insane

[strange plinth]

gargoyle's cry had a bunch down there iirc

[strange plinth]

Vessels. combination of deimos grey strain, helminth, and samples taken from the protoframes
supposed to help us against wally in some way

[brittle siren]

ah I forgot about that event

but the main lobby prob not canon, only during event (since we use the Gargoyle to teleport there)

[fast dew]

The vessels, Albrecht's (unfinished) attempt at building a thing to fight wally

[hazy prism]

Interesting, is there any reason why they're seemingly connected to 1999?

[dire mountain]

Created using the DNA of the protoframes

[fast dew]

They contain DNA from the protos, which links them i suppose. Oh and they're made from the infestation

Which is connected to 1999, for obvious reasons

[hazy prism]

Wait, I missed that lore tidbit completely

[dire mountain]

So weird not seeing you with a pink name

[hazy prism]

Ok, thank makes sense Thank you guys

[fast dew]

Nawh im blue here

I should change to cross play cuz i have a pc i could play it on, but at the same time, I've never played on it 😭

[dire mountain]

The connection is also part of how the drifter made it to 1999

[dire mountain]

Im orange because I like orange more than green and my account is crossplay I just dont have a pc

[fast dew]

Yea, which is like. My personal theory as to how we'll get to tau, using the infestation planted by Albrecht over there or something lol

Unlikely but funny

[fast dew]

Respectable. I just like being blue
-# i do have a ps5

[strange plinth]

-# interesting. same situation yet opposite result

[dire mountain]

Id prefer them following up on narmer for once 😭 and whatever pazuul is building

[fast dew]

Mm, same. Narmer is the logical step after this arc, or maybe its time for the corpus, specifically parvos to do something

Parvos tries to get to tau and we're like. no

[dire mountain]

Pazuul could be (re)building the solar rail to Tau and we would have to try to stop him

And ideally hijack his project

Itd be a free solar rail

[strange plinth]

i almost want to ally with him? but that seems really unlikely

[celest needle]

We brought down Ballas, we are public enemy number 1 to them

[dire mountain]

It could be possible to rip off the parasite puppeting his body and save him

Erra could be a cool character

[jade forge]

I think that would just kill him

[dire mountain]

He just barely got any actual screentime

[celest needle]

Tragedy scale doesn't let it happen

[hazy prism]

Albrecht just throwing infestation everywhere to allow us to travel

[strange plinth]

free my man, he did all of it but i don't care

[celest needle]

Erra

• Brother to the Lotus
• Son of hunhow
• Secondary leader to Narmer

Appears in a cutscene before the new war
In an operation
leads the sentient invasion on earth
Watches Ballas have a hissy fit when the Tenno returns
dies realizing Ballas's ego exceeds his racism

[jade forge]

He did also help Ballas deceive us for a little bit.

[fast dew]

I just want Albrecht to not die at the end of the arc

[celest needle]

Karma is going to come to him for every violation of human rights he did in 1999

[dark compass]

He definitely dies

[strange plinth]

Pazuul has less
- One Cutscene at the end of veilbreaker
- dialogue in archon hunts (in which he doesn't render correctly)
erra and hunhow at least argue with each other throughout tnw

[celest needle]

No amount of Yaoi can save him

[dark compass]

Perhaps at the end of the wally saga, but he definitely dies

[fast dew]

Genuine question here.

What violations 😭

[celest needle]

oh boy

[dark compass]

Violations of both human and animal rights

[fast dew]

The hex volunteered to do what they did

[dark compass]

Cavia already sealed his fate in my eyes

[fast dew]

Are we forgetting that?

They chose to do it?

[strange plinth]

they volunteered for injections, not turning into protoframes

[dark compass]

I am not forgetting the Cavia

[jade forge]

The animals didn't volunteer to be made sapient and then abandoned.

[hazy prism]

I think the main one was making people carriers of the techrot without the symptoms, which probably made the situation in hollvania worse

[fast dew]

What do you think the injections were for? And no, it was the vaccines they were upset about, not that.

[fast dew]

He uh. Didn't make em sentient. He had no clue that would happen

The past cavia would just die

[dark compass]

He experimented on live animals and abandoned them after they became sentient just like he abandoned everyone else around him

They see him as a father

[celest needle]

also helping them infect civilians under the pretense of care that if released would spread it

[dark compass]

Albrecht definitely dies further into the story,

[fast dew]

I think you might not understsnd why he needed to leave

[dark compass]

I am not expecting anything else to happen

[fast dew]

It was either expose them to wally more, kill them, or leave them

I think the leaving option was the best choice.

[dark compass]

Tagged for disposal

[fast dew]

Yeah, like any lab animal would be when they're contaminated.

[jade forge]

What were they even contaminated by?

[dark compass]

Void

[fast dew]

... the void and wally

[hazy prism]

to be fair, that was before they gained sentientence and Albrecht kept the cavia alive after the void exposure

[fast dew]

That too

[dark compass]

Either way, I don't see narrative giving him anything other than death

Regardless of what he did, no amount of old men yaoi is gonna save him

[fast dew]

I just don't want him to die for Loid's sake

[dark compass]

I think he will die to help deal with Wally

[fast dew]

Kinda would feel like wally ultimately won if he died

[dark compass]

As a "part of the plan"

[celest needle]

He's going to die willingly or unwillingy

His karma is in the negatives

[strange plinth]

the initial injections were vaccines, which they were mad about once they figured out it just made them silent carriers.
the proto injections weren't described to them as any different, and they were left to transform like that

[fast dew]

He, himself isn't expecting to live

[dark compass]

Yeah, and he will treat it "as planned"

And pass on the torch to us or something

[hazy prism]

wait if Albrecht came to Duviri did he ever meet Drifter whilst they were trapped in Duviri by Thrax?

[dark compass]

Symbolically

[fast dew]

Can i uh, get a source for the non-describing? Albrecht says "those who volunteered for more" regarding them, which feels to me like he at least explained it.

Similar line, or something lemme find it

[celest needle]

He knew the young drifter

[strange plinth]

"We did not want to believe that our trust had been broken
We... we had taken the drug too... We were spreading the plague...
So when he said the Techrot strain had mutated... and we were no longer safe...
We lined right up like good little soldaditos
Lua, it hurt. Wasn't the fun kind, either..."
Lettie, r5c2

[fast dew]

"I went among the denizens of the plague year like a savior, my hands filled with healing. To those who volunteered, I brought more than mere health. Their bodies were primed"

Idk dawg

[strange plinth]

sounds like they volunteered for what was presented as another vaccine and got proto'd instead to me

[fast dew]

Ehh

I can see it being them not quite understanding it

[hazy prism]

It's hard to take Albrecht for his word 100%, even if he meant it as that, it's clear the Hex didn't see it the same way

[fast dew]

Oh no, these notes are the most reliable we have Albrecht at

They're not meant for us

We aren't supposed to be reading them

[strange plinth]

doesn't mean he isn't lying to himself, or that he isn't writing his actions in the best light he can
they may have volunteered from his perspective, but not from theirs
Vel and Min are the only two that 100% knew what they were getting into

[fast dew]

... why would he lie to himself.

[hazy prism]

Albrecht is TERRIBLE at communication, so it could genuinely be him being so detached that was he saw a purely helpful act, the Hex saw it as a deception

[fast dew]

That is like.

not something that he does

[fast dew]

This is kinda what i see it as, Albrecht tried to explain it, the hex didn't get it, and this is the result

The hex's feelings towards him unnecessarily demonises Albrecht to the player base lowkey

[strange plinth]

he's Not Really A Great Person, even before the hex

[celest needle]

He shot us so he could go muck off to Tau or somewhere

[fast dew]

Like I've seen folk adamant that Albrecht was uh. An abuser, to his daughter. No homedawg he just was a single dad raising her😭

[hazy prism]

I would argue there is something to be said, perhaps this is Albrecht's "Indifference" that prevents him from properly communicating with people, but it's streching things

[fast dew]

He found it hard but its not like he was purposefully doing it

[strange plinth]

he was a bit absent but i'm not sure if it was to abusive levels

[fast dew]

I personally think its a form of trauma. Communication issues do come with it.

[hazy prism]

You could argue the void or wally specifically symbolically represents trauma

[fast dew]

Yeah!! He was there, just like any single parent, just. Didn't always have time, and Loid was presumably there to help

[fast dew]

Sometimes he might feel the need to hide things from people because of wally, not out of malicious intent

Also might i add here.

Albrecht still told Euleria bedtime stories.

And has her book in the netracells

He cares, just in a odd way

It harmed me a little I'll be so fr

[celest needle]

yeah this is a game alright

[fast dew]

Im sorry. I missed this?!?!?!?

Peak im afraid

[dark compass]

my favorite line

[fast dew]

The concept of that old man having anyone must be baffling to the rest of the hex, no clue how Eleanor didn't know tho

[normal mountain]

It's part of the "Can I take a peek in your head" conversation

[fast dew]

She has no control over the telepathy thing, you'd reckon she'd hear Albrecht's guilt over his family at least once

[dark compass]

Albrecht's mind at all times:

https://tenor.com/view/happy-monkey-circle-happy-monkey-circle-happy-monkey-circle-meme-gif-19448999

[fast dew]

Its just kalymos

[normal mountain]

Would depend on whether she saw him after she transformed
Before the Nyx strain, she had no telepathy

[fast dew]

Though, regarding Euleria's mother, i wonder if it was a "i just need a daughter, thank you bye" or if it was like. Messy divorce hours

[waxen mesa]

why can the drifter use transference on the protoframes?

[celest needle]

He can

[fast dew]

Infestation or whatever

[fast dew]

They're asking why

[normal mountain]

He can
They just have to let him

[celest needle]

Oh

[waxen mesa]

people

[celest needle]

Cause they're warframes

[fast dew]

Why did both of you miss that 😭

[celest needle]

Partially but still warframes

[celest needle]

Density Field

[waxen mesa]

warframes have a transference bolt don't they? did Entrati put one in the protoframes?

[celest needle]

Entrati even infected them as backup vessels for us

[normal mountain]

I saw
I said "They have to let him"

[fast dew]

They asked why, not can

If he can, rather