lore-discussion

[twin wigeon]

Grandma is Albrects uhhh sister in law?

[hollow siren]

ig yeah

[strange plinth]

i think that would be right, yea
maybe some other weird term but basically

[hollow siren]

we also don't know what surname Grandmother and Father originally had before Father married into the Entrati family

[hot mural]

No cuz both are progenitors so in spanish we have a term for it " Co-Fathers in law"

[twin wigeon]

or what any of their names were originally

[hot mural]

But might be wrong

[strange plinth]

all we do know is Dagath

[hollow siren]

we know Mother and Grandmother's original names: Eularia and Dagath

[twin wigeon]

ah right mb

❤️ Dagath

[hot mural]

Isn't Dagath the warframe

[hollow siren]

Grandmother gave her name to the faceless Warframe

[celest needle]

God I love this game

[twin wigeon]

Word of God

[hollow siren]

Grandmother's story about Dagath the Warframe explains this

[hot mural]

KNEW IT CUZ AINT NO WAY A MAN GONNA BE LIKE "My Albrecht.... ahh my albrecht

[strange plinth]

-# its wild that it had to be clarified when they call each other "My Albrecht" and "My Loid"

[hollow siren]

WOKEframe 🤬

[hot mural]

Also is there any lore point we get to date "Daughter"

[twin wigeon]

mhm basically dagath happens upon grandmother one naberous night ready to cut her down or smth and grandma offered her name to her instead

[strange plinth]

wait until they find out about gara and the unum

[hot mural]

Dont care the game lore and music still good

[twin wigeon]

Daughter is several millenia old

[proper barn]

You fight space capitalism

And help people in medical debt

[hot mural]

Tenno is billions

[twin wigeon]

We've never been not woke

[hollow siren]

She's already dating Kahl

[proper barn]

No

[hot mural]

..............

[proper barn]

The family is older.

[strange plinth]

eh?

[hot mural]

But but

[hollow siren]

No, we're also some thousand years old

[hot mural]

Damn Kahl

[twin wigeon]

We've toppled a whole oligarchy sometime in the past, we've always been woke

we have a quest named The Awakening (ik theres no relation)

[proper barn]

We beat a elder god

[celest needle]

"Oh boy I can't wait to be a humble sentient helping narmer"

[hot mural]

Look main point is they listen to their community and keep delivering amazing missions, and the music man.

[proper barn]

With gay old men.

Like come on.

[hollow siren]

Your tone makes it seem like you unironically consider Woke to be a detriment

[dark compass]

Sorry, that's Kahl privilege

[hot mural]

Im just saying this imagine being a race that got into war with the lords of the universe just to get humble by a clone

[twin wigeon]

Matthew Chalmers and the whole sfx team at DE are just masterclass chefs atp

[hot mural]

No like im saying for me

idm at all I just enjoy the lore and the expirience

[proper barn]

@twin wigeon @hollow siren @hot mural

Here you go.

[hot mural]

If the game quality is good they can do whatever they want

[twin wigeon]

i didn't need that but okay

[hollow siren]

yeah, we know

[hot mural]

Add Tenno next to Daugher

[lean garden]

*Lords of just one system lol

[hot mural]

Ah yeah keep forgetting that mb

[celest needle]

Add a separate line for Albrecht and Entrati and just put the entire cavia and quorvex as their children

[proper barn]

Also dagath was in a Poly relationship with a couple and the part that's like "why their evil" is that they where tool jealous ajd controlling.

[celest needle]

Freakframe

[proper barn]

Not that the 3 people In a relationship was bad.

[hot mural]

Wasn't dagath face blown off cuz she was smilling ?

[strange plinth]

"she named the horse we have to kill it"

[proper barn]

Yeah. Whacha gonna do about it?

[celest needle]

Nothing,

[hollow siren]

As a sibling, since the family does somewhat adopt us at rank 5

[proper barn]

They wanted to use continuity on her but she was too hurt.

Which very interesting.

[hot mural]

Sweet home Luabama

[proper barn]

Also a Poly relationship is actually pretty tame tbh.

But anyway.

[hot mural]

Back to lore

[proper barn]

This is lore.

Dagath was in a relationship with a marred couple.

[strange plinth]

ig continuity is a whole ritual. makes sense if she was too injured to survive the full process
warframing is also a whole process but i imagine it would kinda "repair" the body as it goes

[dark compass]

She made a mistake of thinking she's in equal relationship as a servant of rich people

[proper barn]

Well no?

That's not why. They literally got jealous and like where too controlling

[hollow siren]

yeah Dagath herself didn't really do anything except do what her masters told her to

[proper barn]

Like it's never said They don't see her as equal.

[dark compass]

And got blasted for it in the end

[proper barn]

Or that they don't love her

It's just they where very jealous.

[twin wigeon]

they loved her enough to give her own horse

[hollow siren]

Grandmother very much says the appeal of being with her was just the taboo of it

[hot mural]

Imagine they blasted the horse too

[dark compass]

The moment she became complacent as a warframe they literally tried to kill her outright

[proper barn]

Also kinda but does that make it like less real?

[hollow siren]

They didn't love the dax herself, they loved how forbidden being with her was

[hollow siren]

Yes?

[proper barn]

Eh

[dark compass]

It wasn't love, they just fetishised the forbidden relationship

[strange plinth]

her one fault is naming the horse, and she got (accidentally) impaled and subsequently warframed for it
then they just. didn't like her anymore. unnerving smile, no longer taboo

[dark compass]

The moment it wasn't as "forbidden" they literally murdered her

[hot mural]

Are any orokin non freaky

Idm the daughter but the others damn

[hollow siren]

That's like a king sleeping with a commoner simply because it's forbidden and he finds it thrilling, not because he actually loves that person

[twin wigeon]

uhhhhh no

orokin were playing god at every corner and so they indulged excessively like gods

[hot mural]

another thing lore wise "Umbra does stay in our Orbiter"?

[hollow siren]

Yes

[twin wigeon]

yeah, he just be wandering

[proper barn]

Not true.

[twin wigeon]

very true

[hollow siren]

Literally is, go rewatch the story

[proper barn]

Grandma does say it was real love.

[hot mural]

Imagine being like that and dying cuz your a simp

[proper barn]

They where just very jealous and toxic.

[twin wigeon]

uhhhhh maybe the love between dagath and her horse was real

[hot mural]

Thats wrong

[proper barn]

God I hate this incel word still being used.

[twin wigeon]

not the orokin couple and dagath

[proper barn]

It was. Like you would love a pet.

Or a sibling.

[dark compass]

Or a horse

[twin wigeon]

Or a horse.

[proper barn]

I think y'all don't understand what toxic relationships are.

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-gif-230597167926076170

[proper barn]

You know horses are pets right?

[dark compass]

Yeah

I was just making a joke

[twin wigeon]

Neigh

[hollow siren]

For all their talk of 'forever', they wearied of her immediately. Now that the relationship was no longer taboo, they abandoned it.

[twin wigeon]

Common Orokin L as per usual

[proper barn]

Still hate the word simp. Makes me upset cus it's like "oh you like your partner nerd" idk I just don't LIKE IT.

[proper barn]

Yes. They where toxic evil people.

I feel like we are talking about 2 different things.

[twin wigeon]

perhaps

[proper barn]

Do you understand

How like a relationship can have like "real love" and feelings in it

But be abusive and toxic?

[hot mural]

Wasnt that the whole thing with Natah and Him

[twin wigeon]

uhhhhh yeah but the relationship btwn dagath and the couple wasn't with love or feelings but for thrill

[dark compass]

@proper barn yeah you make a good point. I'm switching sides.

[proper barn]

They literally say love

I'm tackling you.

[twin wigeon]

I have overguard.

[dark compass]

I have a cheese sandwich

[proper barn]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-shows-television-tackle-hug-hug-glomping-gif-14859564

[twin wigeon]

stopppp you're gonna summon grendelllll

[dark compass]

I'm so hungry

[twin wigeon]

or Lizzie

I'd like to think Lizzie would like a cheese sandwich

[dark compass]

Only in a plastic wrap

[strange plinth]

is there anything lizzie wouldn't like, tbf
food wise

[hot mural]

another thing

[dark compass]

It's Helminth

[twin wigeon]

fair

[dark compass]

Whatever Helminth can take, lizzie would enjoy

[hot mural]

I just met this guy flare is his guitar like part of him or why it talks?

[dark compass]

Their

[strange plinth]

they have some KIM chats about the guitar n her origins

[dark compass]

Flare is enby

[dark compass]

Either way, go play the chats

You'll learn

[hot mural]

what is that?

[dark compass]

Nonbinary

[hot mural]

Oh ok

[hot mural]

Ah ok

[hollow siren]

Their KIM chats explain it

[dark compass]

Flare elabores on all with the Kim convos

Yeah

[hot mural]

okok

I'll go speak to Flare then

Nvm guys he KIM blocked me

[proper barn]

Have you ever seen David bowie?

[hot mural]

No sorry

[twin wigeon]

||its part of them, the helminth blood fused with the guitar like techrot does with electronics ||

[proper barn]

They didn't.

https://tenor.com/view/aladdin-sane-david-bowie-gif-20625593

Anyway david bowie rock and roll person.

[hot mural]

Never heard of him sorry

[strange plinth]

hm. does flare talk to you in KIM if you're only rank 4? ik you can talk to them in the bar at rank 4 but not sure if they only start chatting at rank 5 with the rest of the roundtable

[proper barn]

Oh lizzie is a sher/Her guitar.

[hot mural]

Im dont listen to Rock sorry

[proper barn]

Very funny. My they/them protoframe with their she/her guitar.

[hot mural]

I just got to Rank 4 and only can talk to Flare yeah

[proper barn]

Anyway

Flare is cool. Don't misgender flare on purpose

Or I'll take to take your bones

[hot mural]

Weird but ok? I didnt knew

[proper barn]

I said

On purpose.

We all make mistakes and if it's not on purpose or just forgetting it's fine.

[hot mural]

and I said I didnt know that about Flare thats why i apologize

anyways

[proper barn]

Like calling someone the wrong name cus you forgot isn't the same as like

[twin wigeon]

cool it vin

[proper barn]

Doing it on purpose.

[proper barn]

You didn't do anything wrong no need to apologize.

[strange plinth]

have to deal with some. interesting people. sometimes, in regards to that
its more of a precaution than anything

[proper barn]

If it wasn't on purpose I'm aggrieved with you.

You don't need to apologize for just not knowing.

It even forgetting or misspeaking.

@hot mural

[celest needle]

David Bowie claims another

[hot mural]

Is fine Ima just not talk more to avoid any issues here ✌️

[celest needle]

its a common shrimple mistake tho....

u fine....

[dark compass]

Waiting for Temple Deluxe that looks like Ziggie Stardust's outfit

[proper barn]

You didn't have any issues

[dark compass]

Somewhat slimmer and less pointy, for easier fashion

[hollow siren]

or like Jareth

[twin wigeon]

i like temple's pointiness

[hollow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/jareth-labyrinth-movie-labyrinth-movie-labyrinth-jareth-labyrinth-gif-10214383567039663804

[dark compass]

Yeah I don't mind it

But for the sake of variety

[twin wigeon]

fair

[strange plinth]

it makes them a little hard to fashion but that's about as far as my opinion goes there

[twin wigeon]

0 clue how they're gonna explain that one tho

[dark compass]

I hope Qorvex gets a more necramech-y style look either with a deluxe or a prime

[hollow siren]

Deluxe skins aren't really canon unless directly stated otherwise

[dark compass]

^

[twin wigeon]

i meant the prime

[hollow siren]

ah yeah

[dark compass]

Do they have to

They don't when they don't want to

[twin wigeon]

ah yes the garuda lore

[dark compass]

Revenant prime as well

[strange plinth]

i could see temple priming themself through the comet's materials
or, rather, lizzie priming them

[twin wigeon]

RELEASE THE GARUDA LORE DE

[hollow siren]

well Flare is such a unique case that not giving any explanation would cause a bit of an uproar

[dark compass]

I think it's more like "by default we are not going to explain it unless we can think of something cool"

[strange plinth]

"that's a steve promise"
garuda lore shot dead on the devshort

[dark compass]

Vallis undermind is the grave

Literally the area described in her "discovery"

Not even a nod

[hollow siren]

which still is not actual lore for Garuda

[dark compass]

She was a proud single mother of Nokko and Yareli.

[strange plinth]

tbf rev prime's armor has a nod to the unum

[twin wigeon]

eudico just found her bps in some vines

[strange plinth]

'lol we found this in a bush, you want it?'

[twin wigeon]

literally.

[dark compass]

What if someone just forgot her there

[celest needle]

theorize garuda lore

[twin wigeon]

Garuda had anemia and fell over

[hollow siren]

I see it as a bit of a "what if", where the Prime body is what The Warden originally looked like, so Rev Prime has the non-degraded body while still having the Eidolon powers that degraded it

so The Unum either has ties to The Warden or to Rev Prime specifically

[strange plinth]

that's why she's in the vallis fungi, of course

[twin wigeon]

it was before her rework that changed her passive to not require low health for increased dmg

she was at low health and couldn't regen without energy

[strange plinth]

i have a few scattered ideas for a leverian-esque thing for her
would need to refine it though

[narrow pendant]

drusus: "i dunno"

[strange plinth]

drusus is too busy dealing with his debt rn anyway

[narrow pendant]

proceeds to misplace 4 trillion credits

[twin wigeon]

I could help him

just a bit of gambling with parvos (i'm a koumei main :3)

[narrow pendant]

eyelash

did i hear koumei main

one of us one of us one of us one of us

[twin wigeon]

ok im not that much of a koumei main

but i do heavily advocate for her use

(somehow still listed as a umbra main despite having not touched him since sacrifice)

[dark compass]

More like sacrificed too much time on him

[twin wigeon]

nooooooo

[hollow siren]

usage stats are a bit funky sometimes

like one of my frames has less in all the actual stats (kills, XP, time used) than another, but still has a higher usage percentage

[narrow pendant]

2k hours btw :3

[twin wigeon]

with koumei or in general?

[narrow pendant]

total

well, warframe only counts in mission time

while steam counts being in orbiter ect

[strange turtle]

No, but because Warframe’s story is singleplayer and there’s no other active Tenno characters (there were like 2 named kids in the Zariman flashback), they only come up in post-Quest stuff and Operations

[hot mural]

Aren’t the holdfast Tenno aswell or they are a pre void angel form?

[lean garden]

no, yes

[strange plinth]

void constructs of people who used to live on the zariman
if they give into the song, they become angels, yea

[hot mural]

So they aren’t really the ppl that died but a copy of them

[narrow pendant]

yes

ranking up their syndicate reveals them coming to terms with it

[strange turtle]

…I just realised the Holdfasts are just what the Rail Spectres originally were brought back

"I am a being of the Void, created to oppose you. Leave now."

"How dare you enter my home? I guard the Rail with my shadow-life."

This is their dialogue, from way back before Deadlock Protocol revealed the Specter Particles

[hollow siren]

Yup, the memories of those people given form

[ashen pulsar]

How were they created?

[silk atlas]

Who is they in this case

They died and then just kinda appeared

If you mean the Holdfasts

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah

So we don’t know how, then, just that it happened

In that case, it’s probably something similar to CE

What about gyre, what does she have to do with gyra on the zariman

[north jolt]

They were real people at one point, died when the crap hit the fan on the Zariman, but the void kinda "resurrected" them in a sense through their memories, thus creating the void constructs we currently know

Personally I think of it like someone transplanting my memories and personality into a different but almost identical body after the original me passes

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah, it’s just weird that it happened at all

[north jolt]

Maybe they weren't the only ones. I think it's implied all of the void angels were human or similar at one point but got fully corrupted. The Holdfast are just the remaining crew members who basically haven't gone insane yet

I don't know if the others got corrupted and turned into void angels before or after they died though

[lean garden]

un

as in unrelated

[ashen pulsar]

The void resurrecting people that wally intentionally drove insane and led to their deaths just to drive them insane again

[woven coyote]

Well from what the holdfasts remember of themselves they didnt go insane

Also think they imply there used to be more of the holdfasts
Only one of which we know (from the zariman arg)

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah, kira

She was mentioned in the game iirc

[ashen pulsar]

I wouldn’t remember if I went insane either tbf

If you were driven mad by void powers you probably wouldn’t remember

[lean garden]

Well except that DE doubles down and tells you they didnt lose it in the KIMS

Drifter: I think you’re right. On the Zariman, the parents were the first to lose their minds. Maybe the Holdfasts held out as long as they did because none of them had any children. (EleanorRank5Convo7)

[woven coyote]

Warframe out of context continues to be incredibly funny,
They didnt go insane because they didnt have children

[ashen pulsar]

Ahhh

So what I’m taking from this is that they unintentionally CE’d themselves as they died

Because they managed to avoid insanity

Why didn’t any of the orokin run into them?

[woven coyote]

There were no orokin on the zariman

[ashen pulsar]

When the zariman was rescued

[woven coyote]

Can only assume it wasnt immediate

[ashen pulsar]

I spose

[lean garden]

Orokin? Doing rescue on the zariman?

[dark compass]

Zariwho

[woven coyote]

There is no zariman in ba sing se

[ashen pulsar]

Im so confused

Ohhh wait I remember

They covered it up, right?

[woven coyote]

Ember codex yeah

[dark compass]

Covered up what? (Yes)

[ocean geyser]

Which is impressive considering the Zariman was probably hyped up like crazy before the jump

[dark compass]

"we will see them any minute now"

"any minute now"

"now, just wait a bit more, show patience"

Then you get shot

[ashen pulsar]

“They went to the tau, don’t worry”

[ocean geyser]

Lmao

Although other codexes say the zariman was a myth or a military vessel

To the populace at least

[dark compass]

Like the epstein files

[ashen pulsar]

So they covered it up as a military vessel when it returned

[ocean geyser]

Makes me wonder how much time passed for that to work

[ashen pulsar]

Probably a couple months

[dark compass]

^

"it was a success"

"we are waiting for a report"

"they're at Tau"

"there was never any Zariman"

"there was Zariman but it's an old legend"

[ashen pulsar]

If you say the zariman went to tau then people believe you and if you say the ship that was discovered wasn’t the zariman people won’t think about it

And from then on you just slowly phase the zariman out of people’s heads, until an army of magic children get pissed.

[dark compass]

I've heard archimedean Yonta was on the flight list

[ashen pulsar]

Wdym

[dark compass]

I just continued dragging my dumb joke

Sorry

[ashen pulsar]

Ohhh

I get it now

Ballas never had the pleasure of flying to tau, unfortunately

[pale cedar]

For the best

He admitted he’d ruin it

[dark compass]

He was only there for snorkeling, not for the kids part

[ashen pulsar]

Real

[ashen pulsar]

He tries, as shown by the old peace

[pale cedar]

Ballas is probably the reason the Old Peace ends

[ocean geyser]

Ballas would say the L word

[dark compass]

He invented it

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah

[slate basin]

SOOOOOOO.. I was thinking, The Holdfasts were created when the dead crew of the Zariman were reformed by the void, and, Wally being Wally, made them go hungry for the energy of the Reliquary Drive, with each lured Holdfast member being turned into a Void Angel, until the Holdfasts we see are the last of them all

There is a very non-zero chance that one of the Void Angels we farm feathers and arcanes for are our Operator/Drifter's original parents.

[north jolt]

Real tho

[dark compass]

yeah we meet a named void angel so

chance is definitely low, but not zero

[north jolt]

Scifi Titanic but with even more disastrous outcome

[slate basin]

yeah.... 2 in at least several million

[ocean geyser]

I mean
Maybe?
Did the void “revive” any of the insane parents is the thing though
Because if true that means Rell’s mom is a Void angel somewhere

[slate basin]

well yeah... do you really think Wally would be merciful enough not to is the question

[ocean geyser]

🤷 i guess it depends on how recently a person dies, maybe?
Then again the Zariman was steeped in Void so maybe that wouldn’t matter

I am intrigued as to how the angels have a similar shape to Citrine
Yk with the empty spot going down their body

Although Wally could have just seen Citrine and went “hey that looks pretty cool”

[slate basin]

Wally, inspired by the gemussy

[ocean geyser]

Lmfao

[north jolt]

Crackpot theory, maybe the Holdfast we know accidently revived themselves. Their desires to either undo the damage done or to fix it in same way was so strong just before their deaths, that conceptual embodiment bs more or less resurrected them as void constructs to fulfill that desire

Basically they wanted a second chance so badly that the void was like "aight"

I'll have to rewatch their dialogue but I vaguely recall them even saying something to a similar effect

[dark compass]

And Cavalero just willed himself back to life because he is too cool to die

[ocean geyser]

I’m pretty sure that’s how it works anyway

[ashen pulsar]

Well the holdfasts were the members of the crew that retained sanity so I feel like that’s unlikely

[north jolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsPvI2wAM3Q

[ashen pulsar]

They CE’d themselves is my headcanon

[slate basin]

Ah damn i still need to get to angel rank i cant watch that

[north jolt]

So yeah the characters literally talk about second chances and duty and etc etc

[ashen pulsar]

Like accidentally

Their wishes and memories conceptually embodied a void clone of themselves, like how cavalero conceptually embodied the incarnon genesis weapons

[short creek]

guys this song is pretty sick

[ashen pulsar]

Yes

[short creek]

is like i wanna embrace it yknow

[north jolt]

Cavalero's dying wish: "Damn I wish I had some badass gats"

[ashen pulsar]

Cavalero tells us he “lowk felt like getting weapon upgrades would be cool” and void’s like “here you go man whatever”

And so we get incarnons.

[north jolt]

My headcannon is instead of getting all of them at once (in lore) Cavalero just keeps throwing more and more guns into the void to see what comes back out

"Yo tenno, look what I did to this Cestra!"

[ashen pulsar]

And some of them just explode or warp and he crosses them off the list

[north jolt]

Every time we get new batches of incarnons, that's just Cavalero showing us his latest experiments (also completely irrelevant but I just realized his name sounds similar to the guitarist of Sepultura, Max Cavalera)

[dark compass]

He says "I got dibs on your stuff"

All the mr fodder goes to him upon sale

[twin wigeon]

anyone ever wonder why theres a random Rhino corpse on the plains of eidolon during the Kahl portion of the New War

[silk atlas]

Because you're not the only Tenno

[eager briar]

Call me crazy but maybe ballas isn’t the best guy

[woven coyote]

I get the joke

[tall echo]

Not a corpse

[hollow wagon]

So like, what are those giant statues in the sanctum?

[hollow siren]

Vessels, the codex entries you get by beating Scathing/Mocking Whispers explain them

[ashen pulsar]

He’s just stealing from the credit bank of the zariman

[misty grail]

My account was unfairly banned on the accusation of selling platinum even though I did not do that. I contacted the support team regarding this issue, but I have not reached any solution. Are there any other ways to contact them to explain the problem more clearly?

[silk atlas]

1. Wrong channel for that.
2. No, you can only use the support team and wait

It can take them a while to respond back

[hot mural]

Is there any lore explanation as to way humans in 1999 have advance weaponary?

[ashen pulsar]

Like the sybaris or amprex?

that’s probably thanks to albrecht

[hot mural]

No like why they have Scaldra forces or that green stuff

[ashen pulsar]

That’s just technology

[tall echo]

Efervon is just a corrosive chemical

They're using fancy acid

[hot mural]

Fair

What about the On-lyne band, they are dead or somewhere else

[eager briar]

How is there a prime Caliban if he wasn’t made by the orokin

[woven coyote]

It's right in his description

[ocean geyser]

They’re hidden in some bunker somewhere i think
Their Coda clones are just off doing nonsense

[hot mural]

Giving me hard time it seems

Check dms

[ocean geyser]

Why

[strange turtle]

AU

[hot mural]

What now

[pale cedar]

Au is the chemical symbol for Gold

Albrecht is a Golden Lord who brought advanced stuff

[hot mural]

wow

[hot mural]

Wait Albrecht is an Orokin?!

[pale cedar]

Yes

That’s why his family are blue

[restive river]

Aulbrecht?

[pale cedar]

Yes

Goldbrecht

[restive river]

To add to this
Albrecht’s skin isn’t blue (anymore) because his boyfriend had to regrow his skin back
And also later he needed to go to 1999
So there’s two potential answers for why no blue skin for Al

[ocean geyser]

Besides
Not having blue skin is generally better for appearing normal

I doubt Albrecht would have gotten as far if he was blue

[restive river]

In 1999 yeah

Which again, no blue either due to regrowth or for blending in

Which he wasn’t even that incognito in 1999 lmao
There’s posters of the dude everywhere

He was like the steve jobs of 1999

[ocean geyser]

Steve entrati

[restive river]

He wears a hat

He’s totally steve sinclair

[strange turtle]

AU. Alternate Universe.

Aside from history straight up going differently in some mostly minor ways Warframe’s universe has a bunch of differences, like some different resources, the Void and Alchemy

1999 isn’t straight up on a different level of tech but there’s still some differences, like the existence of effervon, the ability to make a tank that uses it and whatever the “experimental arc relays” are

[restive river]

Actually
Would steve be dead? Cause DE in universe seems uh. Defunct

[strange turtle]

Coda Steve

[restive river]

Technically they have a different level of tech with the techrot
Not that
They can control it

They tried and got a horrific boyband that pokes fun at the industry and use of AI

[strange turtle]

Techrot is less different level of tech and more just. Cyborg Resident Evil

Though considering Resident evil has that AI thing, the bio stuff and cyborgs with Village idk if it’s not on a level above atp

[pale cedar]

Steve looks alive to me

[ocean geyser]

Woah no way

[restive river]

Steve Warframe

[hot mural]

LADS WE DID IT IM DATING AOI

https://tenor.com/view/minions-gif-25854132

[hot mural]

No it isn't cuz in Resident Evil they are slow and rarely fast but here they are jumping me every 10 seconds

[icy cove]

Is it cool if I promote my fav warframe lore youtuber here? He just posted and deserves some more love

[woven coyote]

Most you will get is us finding everything he's wrong at

We have yet to find an accurate loretuber

[icy cove]

That's all good, he's more about philosophical analysis anyway

It's Socratetris, he just released his 1999 video it's about 5 hours long and I'd just love to see him get a little more traction because he puts such high quality analysis in there

[stiff beacon]

his vids are pretty neat

[restive river]

He has some interesting anaylsis videos but when it comes to theories he kinda falls flat

Called Thrax our brother :p
which is just wrong
And was before we even could choose if we had a sibling or not

[pale cedar]

He made a 9 hour vid that didn’t need to be 5 hours and called Lotus Margulis

[restive river]

:/

[woven coyote]

so he is really just toeing the line of even being a loretuber?

[hot mural]

Thrax our uncle

[hollow siren]

Thrax is us, technically

[tall echo]

No

Thrax is thrax and technically thrax is the drifter's son bc they created him

Based on a book character but still

[hot mural]

Oh wait

Mb confused Teshin with Thrax

[hot mural]

Wasn’t Thrax the self insert of the drifter into the story tho?

[tall echo]

No, that's the drifter

[hollow siren]

Thrax existed in the original storybook as a character

[tall echo]

The drifter doesn't exist in the storybook

[hot mural]

So the Drifter made that dimension or the void did?

[tall echo]

Drifter did

With the void

Bit of both yk

[hollow siren]

Drifter unintentionally created it via Conceptual Embodiment

[hot mural]

Does Baby Tenno know Teshin alive or he still mourning him. We need more interactions between them both man

[hollow siren]

it's the largest known case of CE

[tall echo]

Probably no but they also don't mourn him

[hot mural]

How come

Teshin been a D1

[tall echo]

Teshin is barely present in operator's life

[hot mural]

I mean there’s the pvp

[tall echo]

Basically not canon anymore

[hot mural]

Why Rebecca 😔 I never got to enjoy pvp

Just one game I played years ago

[tall echo]

Blame the players

No one plays pvp

So pvp gets abandoned

[hot mural]

Anyways about that is Drifter older than the Operator or the other way around

[hollow siren]

Technically the same age, but Drifter has been conscious for longer

[hot mural]

Huh

[hollow siren]

since Operator was in cryo-sleep for a millenia or so

[hot mural]

I see

[hollow siren]

while Drifter's been in purgatory in Duviri

[hot mural]

I just saying it be nice to see both Tenno and Drifter in a mission together or more interaction since the new war and lotus eaters

[tall echo]

Not possible

[hot mural]

A good way of putting it yeah

[hollow siren]

Only possible in the Void

[tall echo]

Op and drifter can't exist in the same reality at the same time

Unless funky void area

[hollow siren]

They can't co-exist in Reality. They can do so in the Void

[hot mural]

but they did in The Lotus Eaters cutscene

[tall echo]

In the void

[hollow siren]

That was in the Indifferent Gorge, which is in the Void

[hot mural]

No it was outside Albrecht lab

[tall echo]

The sandy stone bits are void

[hot mural]

OHHHHH

[hollow siren]

The stony cliffs are "The Indifferent Gorge" and are part of the Void

[tall echo]

Average ds3 speed huh

[hot mural]

Yeah I saw and also got scared when I saw above the lab cuz it reminded of the wall that appeared at the end of the new war

They are very similar

[strange plinth]

yea he's up there

[hollow siren]

"the wall" that appeared there is literally Wally

as close to a "true" form as he could have

[tall echo]

Wait since when do we have a mutual discord friend

[hot mural]

I mean in the lab if u go where the lotus is and u look back and above the figure or wall is similar to the one we saw or is the same one

[tall echo]

...yes

[hollow siren]

idk cause I don't recognize them at all

[hollow siren]

That face is seen all over the Gorge

[tall echo]

They used to be here a lot too, last known as fog

[hot mural]

Yeah but that one is the closest to

Wait guys who’s a good YouTuber to watch about all this things and I mean 1+ hr videos

[tall echo]

None

Loretubers are unreliable at best

[hollow siren]

I have never watched warframe content creators ngl

[hot mural]

I watch Pupsker for news that’s all

[hollow siren]

closest would be watching other youtubers play warframe

[hot mural]

how come?

[hollow siren]

Just watch the trailers and dev streams if you want direct news

[hot mural]

Too long I rather watch one of his 1 min vids going over what will be coming to Warframe

[hollow siren]

no hate to pupsker but why the middle-man

[hot mural]

What’s that?

[hollow siren]

fair enough I suppose

[strange plinth]

at best, victims of outdated information
at worst, actively putting headcanon and misunderstandings into their videos

[hollow siren]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_man

[tall echo]

They're generally unable to differentiate between actual confirmed lore and their own personal ideas and baseless theories

[hot mural]

Oh it’s simple I just don’t have time really to eat ch the dev streams and I would love to so I just use either AI to give me audio resumes or YouTuber shorts

[hot mural]

Ahh

[strange plinth]

the lying machine or maybe an accurate summary

[hollow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-15540398707739933423
AI

[hot mural]

I just ask AI what is the most recent update from Waframe page and that’s it

[ocean geyser]

You get the updates from here bro

[hot mural]

AI is good in lots of ways apart from coding and human art and skills

[tall echo]

No

[hollow siren]

Why not just google it at that point

[strange plinth]

it fails at the primary things its used for

[tall echo]

AI as it is is terrible

[hot mural]

It helps me find shops with specific things I need to get

[hot mural]

Either that or the other idm really

[hot mural]

In coding and art yeah for I see

[hollow siren]

yeah there's also about a billion human-controlled websites that do that

[hot mural]

That’s why I either use google or ai idm

[quick prairie]

could this possibly be the room where albrecht first met the man in the wall?

[hot mural]

Maybe i don’t go there since it’s hard to deal with eximus

[quick prairie]

Eximus are the fun part!

[lean garden]

no actually

the room where it happened is more likely where the heart of deimos is

[quick prairie]

Hmmm I think i have that captura

yeah seems legit

[hot mural]

Not when I’m getting jump by a whole horde of murmurs 😭

[hot mural]

I keep forgetting there’s a literal heart and it’s not the blue orb spinning every time u exist the necrotise

[old dome]

...since dnd exist in 1999,, would minerva be a circle of spores druid? or would she be a strictly dnd 3e class??

same thing for velimir

[normal mountain]

It's also terrible for research
A college professor of mine once asked an AI thingy (idr which one, or I'd tell you) to write a paper with himself as the subject
8/10 of the books the bot claimed he wrote didn't even exist
(the other 2 did, so some credit where credit is due)
But still: the AI literally made stuff up

[humble sierra]

AI is designed to give you the answers it thinks you want, not what the actual truth is

"Hey, these berries seem like they could be poisonous, can I eat them?"

"No worries, those are Animus Flaronara, sometimes called flaro berries! They're perfectly fine to consume"

"Hey I ate those berries and now I'm in the hospital"

"Oh dear! Those berries are actually Mortus Instantaneous, which are instant death berries! Please do not eat them."

[north jolt]

eats "instant death berries"
Manages to make it to the hospital alive

Jeez AI can't get ANYTHING right 🙄

[dark compass]

Do you think vome/fass residue taste good

[strange plinth]

techrot burger 2

[dark compass]

I wish

[eager briar]

I’m confused. Did Amir have a heart attack or did entrati shoot him

[strange plinth]

bit of both iirc

[dark compass]

He shot him. There's blood

[eager briar]

Then how did us calming him down avoid his death

[dark compass]

Entrati did not shoot him this time

[strange plinth]

did we even calm amir? we kinda just "gave" him the parazon

[dark compass]

Yeah

"collect yourself and use this stabby thing"

[dark compass]

Entrati wanted us to figure out the whole transference/relationship thing so we could combat the indifference. He kept the loop going until we did.

[wind sun]

Kardo ignore saalo

[dark compass]

Oneshotting a volt with lex prime is quite a feat though

Where was your shield amir

[solar hatch]

Bro didn't built his mod loadout

[strange plinth]

heart attack got shieldgated lmao

[solar hatch]

😔

[solar hatch]

We calmed everyone we transferred into

[wind sun]

Am i the only one with phone 📱 😭😭😭😭😔😔😔

[strange plinth]

in here, currently, yes

[solar hatch]

Eleanor in particular didn't got any abilities when drifter transferred, they just grounded her mind before the tongue attacks

[restive river]

We literally help him through a panic attack and show him a faster way

[wind sun]

Ohhhh

[strange plinth]

ig i should replay the finale then
not sure why i'm not remembering this

[restive river]

I like how we didn’t even help Lettie directly and that when we help Eleanor she’s there to help her

[dark compass]

It's trinity, she would tank a nuclear bomb and be fine

[solar hatch]

Her death situation happened cuz eleanor lost control

[solar hatch]

sadly she wasn't trinity™ yet and no enemies were around for her skills

[dark compass]

Lettie just didn't want to hurt Eleanor so she went down

[solar hatch]

yep

[eager briar]

I feel like anytime someone is experiencing a mind melding process and start referring to themselves in plural you should just shoot them

[dark compass]

If she was ok with it she would've tanked the nuclear bomb as well

[solar hatch]

the sign of hivemind takeover happened seconds before eleanor pounced so sadly, poor lettie didn't got time to react lol

As in, the sign that she's 100% not herself anymore

[dark compass]

Yeah, she was getting weird so Lettie pulled a gun, then it was too late when Lettie realized that Eleanor is gone

[eager briar]

Who would win in a fight umbra or Arthur?

[dark compass]

Me

[strange plinth]

umbra
the hex are untrained and unmodded

[eager briar]

Weren’t most of them in the military

[solar hatch]

umbra is a full wf

he 100% has more experience than all of them combined

and the power to boot

[dark compass]

And his body is more durable

[strange plinth]

regular combat experience vs Being A Warframe Experience
very different

[dark compass]

Umbra was both a warframe that was used and a dax before

[eager briar]

True but counter argument Arthur looks cool

[dark compass]

I look cooler than both of them

[eager briar]

Debatable

[solar hatch]

Maintaining The agenda is top priority

https://tenor.com/view/baldi-baldis-basics-mogged-mog-rizz-gif-11774215665411580343

[dark compass]

Powerscalers when they hear a story (there are no onscreen feats)

[eager briar]

Ts is not one piece

[dark compass]

This is 4 pieces

Chasis, neuroptics, systems and a blueprint

[eager briar]

Umbra’s one piece

[solar hatch]

Me when the techrot comes and instead of phonk and sigma edits me and my planet gets slimed

[dark compass]

I think it would do both at the same time

Look at On-Lyne

[solar hatch]

Oh right! oh my god bruh, the concept of techrot tiktok shorts

💀

[dark compass]

Yeah if techrot took over nowadays we would've had techrot shorts

It's technology and data absorbing, it'll take in brainrot content

[solar hatch]

I am now imagining gen z techrot verbally communicating in solely brainrot slangs like rizz, fanum tax, skibidi, tralalelo, tung tung tung sahur

I played the faceoff mission in hollvania where the hex and I made a contest out of doing stuff while killing scaldra and techrot and one of the stages entail amir decoding techrot comm lol

👁️

techrot brainrot cipher

[eager briar]

What if the techrot formed in the future origin system

[solar hatch]

techrot's progentior of infestation, isn't it?

Or at least, an ancient strain

[dark compass]

Yeah, sort of

[eager briar]

Yeah, but I’m saying what if the infestation decided to take over tech in modern day

[dark compass]

Infestation has been here for ages and we don't know where it came from

[solar hatch]

cuz Daughter was listening to an On Lyne song, and my fight with a coda took place in earth railjack specifically

[strange plinth]

mutalist strain is right there

[solar hatch]

Like the techrot's already in the origin system, kind of

[dark compass]

Yeah, it's timeless

[celest needle]

he means OUR modern day

[eager briar]

I mean the modern day of warframe

[celest needle]

Mutalist strain

[dark compass]

Yeah that would be mutalist

[strange plinth]

there.. wouldn't be that much of a change from 1999?

[celest needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684050432565182477/1253199881506394164/cat-1-1.gif

[solar hatch]

Tbf if there's modern day techrot the aesthetic's probably even more..... digital

how do I articulate this

Like we'll probably have freaky infested from cybertrucks or sth

[dark compass]

Instead of playing snake on computers you'll have to get victory royale

[solar hatch]

🤣 or automated driving cars being the endoskeleton of an infested on wheels

[dark compass]

Aesthetically it'll be a bit different yeah

[solar hatch]

even crackier idea: they straight up manifest themselves from digital format

[dark compass]

But it'll still be a mess of flesh wires

[solar hatch]

Like a video game character manifesting irl, with their visuals or sth

[dark compass]

I mean that's sort of what happened to On-Lyne

[solar hatch]

Techrot influencers

[celest needle]

Techrot infesting people through fortnite

[dark compass]

That's literally On-Lyne

[eager briar]

Amazon delivery drones as ospreys

[solar hatch]

Oh yeah : P

[strange plinth]

streamers instead of On-Lyne,,,

[dark compass]

Mr Beast confrontation

[solar hatch]

Techrot social media bot accounts :3

or scrap code from 40k, though maybe that's 1999 techrot too

[eager briar]

I’m 99% convinced that Victor is one of ballas’ ancestors

[solar hatch]

Wait wait wait, can techrot fake being 2D waifus?

💀

[strange plinth]

theoretically,
unfortunately.

[solar hatch]

I informed myself of arlo's lore seeing the nightwave stuff lol

[dark compass]

It can create Lizzie with the blood

It's not "faking" anything, just using the information and tech it absorbs

[solar hatch]

Cuz if infestation can fake being a normal human
it can create waifu personas and convince neets to let themselves be infested

👁️

[dark compass]

That's what On-Lyne is, yes

"join us, embrace us"

[solar hatch]

Last I check on lyne codas is just techrot copies of the band

and the real band still exists, but kept in hostage

[dark compass]

Have you heard the lyrics of "party of your lifetime"

[celest needle]

the real band exists the coda are clones

[strange plinth]

according to eleanor, the real band is safe.. somewhere

[solar hatch]

I did, yeah
Im more so talking about like
completely fictious personas

[celest needle]

you can hear them playing at the end of quest

[dark compass]

But yeah it can definitely do that

[solar hatch]

true true true.

[dark compass]

Lizzie exists, it's a completely fictitious persona made out of something else

[solar hatch]

DE give us the quest to save them already 🙏 🙏

What's lizzie?

[dark compass]

Temple's guitar

[solar hatch]

Im on rank 3 in the hex rn lol

[dark compass]

Oh

You'll see lmao

[strange plinth]

you'll meet lizzie at rank 4 then

[dark compass]

It fits the bill for what you're describing 100%

[solar hatch]

Im so annoyed lmao, im on r3 in sanctum and hex so I haven't got eta and eda unlocked yet

[solar hatch]

Fr? damm I hope I can get to r4 within this week 👁️

Wait, are you saying new people join the hex in r4?

[dark compass]

And r5 too

[eager briar]

Flare(temple) joins at rank four and then sayrn frost, and nova join at rank five

[solar hatch]

woah, 4 new protoframes 👁️ how interesting

[strange plinth]

indeed

[solar hatch]

Can they be interact with? do they give bounties related to them?

[strange plinth]

one has a mission tied to them, the other three are linked to temporal archimedea

[eager briar]

And new guns

[dark compass]

1.Yes, they have KIM chats as well.
2. New mission type, ETA and merchants. Bounties tied to the new mission type exist, but you can't play them without reaching r4

[eager briar]

How is the devil’s triad stuff and the tau stuff going to link

[dark compass]

It won't, it's two separate story bits

[humble sierra]

Prolly not

[strange plinth]

devil's triad are in XX99, accessed through the sanctum
separate KIM tab, too
they're only "linked" via the Dark Refractory pool.

[dark compass]

Devil's Triad is for Drifter, Rebellion is for Operator

[humble sierra]

Old Peace is split into two parts. Perita Rebellion on Tau, with the Operator (the main story), and the Devil's Triad in XX99 with the Drifter

[eager briar]

Is the drifter actually stuck in the past or can he just come and go as he pleases

[dark compass]

He can

[humble sierra]

Seeing as how you have to access the Triad via the Sanctum they can probably freely move

[dark compass]

Helminth just eats your warframe and spits you back in different time, thanks to it just reproducing said warframes with its timeless mind back into the past

[solar hatch]

thank you
gotta go now bye
https://www.tumblr.com/noirrelite/776425111795449856
Doing my digital moral imperative and sharing this again to remind everyone that drifter canonically brings all Operator loadout and Viktor is clueless

cowgirl simp's trashpile -COMMS CLOSED-

🔁 shaw-punsexualnerd

runningwolf62

I think we need to discuss what The Hex looks like from The Scaldra side given they have no clue of anything regarding Warframes.

January 12th 1999, Viktor Vodyanoi is baffled that 50+ new members joined The Hex litterally overnight.

He has no idea which of them, if any, are the Drifter Nightingale keeps talking to on the coms.

thatanonymoussandwich

Oh my god this idea is so funny

shaw-punsexualnerd...

-# #warframe #warframe fanart #viktor vodyanoi #reblog #HFJDJFJDJFJDJJDJDJDJD

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[dark compass]

That's why Lettie calls you babas(prular for "drool").

The Helminth mouth is spitting you out when you "time travel" to 1999

Every time you move to the mall there's a Helminth mouth behind you on the spawn point

Every time you are just getting spat out

[eager briar]

I would pay money to see a conversation between the operator and the hex

[dark compass]

"hey kid"
"I have killed 8 billion people"

[leaden thicket]

Um why did king of duviri killed drifter a thousands of time?

[dark compass]

Have you finished the story?

[leaden thicket]

Yes

[strange plinth]

drifter wanted to leave

[dark compass]

Duviri is a book that drifter escaped into through the void. Drifter has grown but the characters did not

Thrax was their friend, but now drifter wanted to leave

And thrax is a spoiled brat

[leaden thicket]

Ee and that's why thrax keep killing drifter?😭

[dark compass]

It has grown into a war

[strange plinth]

kill them until they decide to stay, yes

[dark compass]

^

It's a time loop they are both aware of

So stakes in the eyes of thrax, a spoiled child, are rather low

[strange plinth]

"death by.. impalement" as drifter mocked in the intro sequence

[dark compass]

In his eyes drifter will just reconsider leaving and they will continue playing together

[leaden thicket]

Damn

[eager briar]

If the universe is constantly resetting back to 1999, then how do we get to the future of modern day warframe? Is hollvania in a pocket of the void like duviri?

[dark compass]

Hollvania is a closed time loop yes

[strange plinth]

1999 is the actual past
its like a loop-de-loop
time still progresses at the same time that it loops

[dark compass]

It was not a closed time loop before the nukes went off

They went off, but we prevented it in one timeline, creating a looping branch

[leaden thicket]

Dawg Warframe lore is crazy
It's beyond me

[dark compass]

Void type shit

[strange plinth]

tbf diving into the time travel mechanics is the weirdest part of it
the rest is fairly simple

[leaden thicket]

Yeah

[eager briar]

How do prime war frames work? Is the original Just retconed out of existence and the prime one always existed

[strange plinth]

both existed

some started prime, some earned it
lavos primed himself,,
the prime is just a fancy version of the same frame

[strange plinth]

yeah

[celest needle]

Unum thought it'd be mad funny to prime revenant

[strange plinth]

"what is this fatherless aberration?"

[celest needle]

Prime Trailers are so good

I'd love for at least 5 minutes of that kind of stuff

[eager briar]

Why does albrecht look like a normal guy? Did he just kidnap some random guy from 1999 and he used continuity on him

[celest needle]

Albrecht hasn't used continuity in a long time

He stopped doing it after meeting the man in the wall and not knowing if he was the real Albrecht or not and just didn't use it anymore

[strange plinth]

gave up the continuity after getting blinded in the void
regrew his skin n eyes n all that

[dark compass]

Orokin have full control of genetic engineering and blue stuff is something they can casually change

He just doesn't care anymore

[celest needle]

Character Customization canon

[strange plinth]

hell, we can too, now. refacia kit

[dark compass]

Yeah, it's definitely not that big of a deal in terms of effort for them

[eager briar]

I can’t wait till they add large Larry to warframe

[narrow pendant]

from the personal timeline of operator and drifter, theyre happening at the same time

as in, after lotus eaters, while drifter is concerned with 1999 and XX99, operator relives his trauma with that memory bath from the trailer and gets ready to travel to tau maybe, not sure who will go there but probably eventually both

[stiff fable]

I think it's more, Operator is busy trying to recall these memories, Drifter wanders through the sanctum and finds the portal to XX99 while investigating Albrecht stuff

Both will be going to Tau, def

Lettie mentions Drifter will be going there, and there's no way Operator won't be looking for what's left of Adis

[narrow pendant]

honestly it would be hype if operator is facing wally and then drifter comes in clutch with a bunch of protos which is the first time the operator ever sees them

from a writing perspective, an absolute must to have them interact with operator eventually

[celest needle]

"This, is warframe."

[stiff fable]

afaik Operator's seen them before

[narrow pendant]

technically they can meet kaya yeah

[stiff fable]

No no

The Drifter canonically uses Transference to pull them into the Origin System

The gemini emotes are canon

well, ish

A few of the KIM conversations don't make sense otherwise

[narrow pendant]

well yeah but op and drifter cant exist at the same time physically except for heavy void presence near them

[stiff fable]

Drifter pulls 'em forward, tags off with Operator

[celest needle]

I wonder how the Anarchs are going to work

[narrow pendant]

who knows, i like to think operator doesnt know of them for the sake of one moment where their stories converge again

like, after lotus eaters operator is directly concerned with tau but for gameplay reasons you can dilly dally with other stuff

[celest needle]

They seem like another Grineer and Scaldra rip but we could be getting more news about them in December

What is going to make them different?

[narrow pendant]

and these cases for story reasons would be "operator is aware of them now bc by this point they have met them" in the future

[stiff fable]

nothing?

Until last year there was a mod series called "Bane of Corrupted"

They changed it to "Orokin"

Heck I think the faction in the Codex is Orokin now

[dark compass]

Uncorrupted Thrax units!!! With uncorrupted scythes and gotvas!!!

[narrow pendant]

if anything, lore wise they should be in possessions of mods while corpus and grineer at most have salvaged tiny amounts of them & mod segments

[celest needle]

Cuz the faction is called Orokin and has been for a while

They have to stay consistant

[stiff fable]

But originally it was always "corrupted"

[strange plinth]

tbf i don't think we know if the gemini emotes are truly canon outside of 1999
no convos reference their use outside of the year, just possibilities

[dark compass]

Me getting erased by a group of Grineer using Gotva Prime builds from Overframe

[stiff fable]

Well, even that'll change if the dating system expands

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[celest needle]

then... why change it?

[stiff fable]

Because they're adding the anarchs to the faction list

[dark compass]

Probably because of wanting to indroduce a non "corrupted" orokin faction?

[stiff fable]

or, rather, NOT adding the anarchs as a separate faction

[solar hatch]

When do you think we're fighting a Brethen Moon esque Infested monster in Warframe?

[stiff fable]

The anarchs are not corrupted, but both corrupted and anarchs are Orokin

[stiff fable]

already happened

[dark compass]

Corrupted are orokin defense system, to be specific

[stiff fable]

Jordas Golem

[solar hatch]

for real?

[dark compass]

Yeah

[solar hatch]

That's... a ship, not a planet

[narrow pendant]

from what the person who wrote the kim messages said during tennocon, roughly being "if you guys ask for it ill keep writing new messages for you" so expanding on that i really hope we get kim chat but with operator getting to meet the protoframes

[solar hatch]

I was thinking of something larger in scale

[stiff fable]

I mean, the infestation is halfway through eating Eris

[solar hatch]

Like Jordas Golem was the last thing on my mind lol since it's basically a particularly durable ship and we fight ships in rj missions all the time really

[narrow pendant]

in that case, why can i smell that after the 1999 update has been years ago, that they unify bane of infested to bane of technocyte to include techrot aswell

[stiff fable]

you can see it in the skybox

[celest needle]

So they're just going to be corrupted?

[solar hatch]

Really? As in, it's subsuming Eris itself as opposed to being like deimos where it's like, idk, sorta become the environment now

[stiff fable]

yeah

look into the skybox in an infested mission

There's a reason there are no ground missions in Eris

[stiff fable]

In a word, yes

Not in the lore sense

[solar hatch]

Ok ngl I gotta review that again when I boot up the game

[stiff fable]

But in the sense that for modding purposes they take Orokin faction damage and will probably slot there in the codex

[stiff fable]

that would honestly make the most sense

The only reason it might not happen is that techrot and infestation have different weaknesses and resistances

[narrow pendant]

i didnt notice that myself, but this and stuff like seing corpus cities on pluto from railjack makes me wish they made the starchart reflect that, atm only gas giants and deimos really reflect the state of the planets & moons

[stiff fable]

see I've been mad for literal years

Ever notice the pattern on Pluto?

[narrow pendant]

? ive only seen it in railjack

[stiff fable]

In the starchart

There's a giant sprawl on the planet

Corposium, the Corpus capital city

We could have had Warframe cyberpunk missions across giant skyscrapers

[narrow pendant]

i can hardly tell anything indicating what you can see in rj

if anything us seeing the night side of it here indicates its outdated

[stiff fable]

the railjack planets barely resemble the star chart planets >.>

Because yeah they were made at different times

[narrow pendant]

oh was starchart overhauled after rj?

well in either case one of them needs to adapt to the other

[stiff fable]

Yeah that's the problem, they haven't >.>

Mostly because Railjack turned into a content cul-de-sac

[narrow pendant]

can you point out where

[stiff fable]

between outer terminus and cerberus

That picture didn't show it well

[narrow pendant]

ahh so those are not craters but illuminations from the cities then

especially under narcissus

id still prefer if it was as noticeable as here

[stiff beacon]

The sky box, eris's sky box, the sky box with eris in it, the eris that looks way more radical then the star chart model and steel path collectable version, that sky box?

[strange plinth]

DE, let me go to eris's surface. i want to see it.

[stiff fable]

Posting this for the second time

I noticed it and wigged out, and it turned out a bunch of people here hadn't noticed it and also wigged out

[narrow pendant]

holy shit thats dope

[stiff beacon]

Ah yes the holy %#^& this is an old image, but damn is it better then the 3d models

Eris

[narrow pendant]

either i somehow didnt notice or i forgot bc i ran naeglar secret cashes so often so i shouldve noticed tbh

[stiff fable]

Caused a LOT of discussion about secret updates and >implications before people realized it was actually an old thing they had just never noticed

[strange plinth]

there's a lot of stuff that could go into an infestation update that's been teased or shown before that just doesn't exist in game yet

phorid visual rework and parvos corpus infested ship tileset come to mind
n obviously eris being eris up there

[narrow pendant]

so, if i got it right, all the dope radical stuff of these skyboxes is retconned and instead much closer looking to reality

[stiff fable]

nah it's being eaten and reprocessed into Infested matter

the planet on the star chart is actually FURTHER along in the process

[stiff beacon]

Yea a major infestation overhaul update would be my no. 2 on an update wishlist

[stiff fable]

infested railjack please DE

[solar hatch]

Jordas Golem is a teaser for what's possible in Infested railjack

[stiff beacon]

Is it? Shit looks like a random Grey orb, the sky box for after an eris mission looks like the correct version tbh

[strange plinth]

go put jordas golem in rj instead. would be a lot less tedious

[stiff fable]

The planetoid's coming apart at the seams

[stiff beacon]

Especially in steel path

[strange plinth]

-# what's no. 1? out of curiousity

[narrow pendant]

cant see that at all

looks like a regular eris to me

if it wasnt for the ships with infestation visible on it i wouldnt be able to tell it wasnt just a corpus planet

[stiff beacon]

An overhaul to the adversary system that utilizes the crimson branch more, makes the adversaries more of a threat then just some clown who mugs you, and puts both the liches and sisters up to the standard the coda liches are at

At the very least

[strange plinth]

that is a pretty good one, yeah

[stiff fable]

Oh, they do need to let the liches run rampant across the system again

install a new quest like The Teacher to gate it off from newbies

[stiff beacon]

Yea that would appreciated

Defo

[strange plinth]

lich tutorial quest

[stiff fable]

Also, they should split up the Kuva weapon list

[stiff beacon]

Make the acquisition of all the adversary more natural less go do a specific thing

[stiff fable]

Half between t1/2, half between t3/4

Just to make it easier to target a specific weapon

[proper barn]

Okay no

This is bad match making for that was awful.

[stiff beacon]

Oh yea and let you have up to 3 active

[stiff fable]

naw

[narrow pendant]

and overhaul the requiem system to be as simple as codas while were at it 🙄

[stiff fable]

have the liches invade NORMAL missions

[stiff beacon]

Don't really need other people for it

[stiff fable]

No split

They just show up and make the mission harder

[strange plinth]

that would do wonders for the matchmaking already
but it would also occasionally screw over new people if it was on like. earth or mars.

[proper barn]

OKAY wait now this might be bad and like having random mr30 thirties In low level missions.

[stiff fable]

Surprise mechanics

[proper barn]

Like they added SP fissures

[stiff beacon]

They are an adversary they should feel like it

[proper barn]

To have more things for veterans to do.

[celest needle]

Just make the lich system less of a grind to do

[proper barn]

True just make it like the coda.

[narrow pendant]

implied we could pick a SP version for them too

[stiff fable]

lich progression specifically is slightly screwed up

[proper barn]

The coda are so cool.

[celest needle]

Not just like the coda's

[proper barn]

THE CODAS IS GOOD

[celest needle]

Coda's are meant for purely farming and aren't meant to be true adversaries

[strange plinth]

we still haven't gotten detail on what the change to "make requiems easier to acquire" is, have we?

[proper barn]

It even has a mission

To get the mods.

[stiff fable]

When they show up they're supposed to create 10 new thralls

[proper barn]

THEY SAID THAT WOULD HAPPEN?

Anyway the way to do it is just make a mission

[stiff fable]

Obviously stabbing them would advance your requirem progression by a lot

[proper barn]

To get them OR

[stiff fable]

problem is, players kill all the mooks instantly

[proper barn]

Make you give iuva to the relics instead of traces.

[stiff fable]

so the bonus thralls can never be created

[proper barn]

Okay I just

[stiff fable]

wait, who radiants requiem relics??????

[strange plinth]

devshort a little after tennocon yea
some of the veterans they talked to mentioned requiem acquisition as a problem/annoyance n there was a little mention of something to make them easier to acquire, but no detail

[stiff fable]

just do a full squad

[proper barn]

Me? So it's more likely i get mod.

[stiff fable]

bruh

[strange plinth]

radiant + full squad is still a grind sometimes

[proper barn]

Anyway

[celest needle]

The lich experience is just running the same missions over and over but with the occasional lich spawn that you either ignore or attack

[proper barn]

I was gonna say

[celest needle]

They aren't even that interesting of a boss fight like all of the recent bosses

[stiff fable]

statistics!

Statistically you don't need it

[proper barn]

Just make it like the coda and don't make it where stabbing the lich is bad.

Cuz that's dumb.

[stiff fable]

if you leave the lich alone it should get stronger

[proper barn]

Very very dumb.

[stiff fable]

All the voicelines say that's what should be happening

[strange plinth]

i agree with this
though it should still probably cap out around where it does now

[stiff fable]

basically, if you create an adversary it shouldn't feel perfunctory

I do agree that there's too little friction between mission and lich

[celest needle]

They shouldd make a warning or at least increase the MR requirement before summoning a lich

[stiff fable]

lock liches behind MR15

[humble sierra]

Liches are too easy to make

[stiff fable]

but yeah, quest

[humble sierra]

Sisters you have to go out of your way to do

[celest needle]

They are also very annoying in SP

[strange plinth]

not going to accidentally make one unless you're farming for protea or something yea

[humble sierra]

But with Liches, some lights flash during a mission and you kill some mooks and suddenly there's something marked on your map

[celest needle]

Doing too much damage and you summon a larvling and then waste a kuva weapon

[humble sierra]

A new player will not understand what they're doing

[stiff beacon]

Sometimes

[stiff fable]

I actually ran into a few people who accidentally created Codas that way

they picked the disc up and did the hack

and now they get ambushed in Hollvania randomly

it's actually pretty funny

[strange plinth]

codas are far easier to deal with, at least, not as big of a deal compared to a lich

[humble sierra]

Definitely, but at least Coda are comparatively much easier to kill and have a lot less downsides (not getting their stuff stolen)

[stiff fable]

see I actually love the idea of the lich tax

crank up that pain

[strange plinth]

its a wonderful system - as long as you know what's happening

[humble sierra]

I agree, I think the Coda should have more

[celest needle]

My only problem with Coda's is that they don't feel personal anymore

And their color schemes are so 🥀

[stiff fable]

The absolutely evil idea I saw was that Codas should steal your Warframe

so you trigger a Coda and at the end of the mission you get a zit that hijacks your frame

and you don't get it back until the coda's dead

[humble sierra]

Zanuka on drugs

[celest needle]

GIVE ME MY SARYN BACK

[strange plinth]

i wouldn't mind this, though i know some people would hate it

• how would it work w/ only one frame

[stiff fable]

wouldn't work on umbra

you wouldn't be able to trigger a coda with him

[strange plinth]

spike in umbra usage in 1999
tbf that probably happened anyway because of arthur gemini

[stiff fable]

so you always have one Warframe no matter what

Ah, you'd still have to deliberately trigger a Coda

But rather than a hack it'd be something more like the Helminth that spits you out into 1999

[narrow pendant]

force people to have a number of frames already before getting access to codas

[celest needle]

I'd prefer if Coda's just stole affinity from your missions

Steal the spotlight

[stiff fable]

but then they'd have to return it, no?

[celest needle]

crap....

[strange plinth]

interesting on paper, no idea how that'd work in practice

[stiff fable]

it's a neat thought

[celest needle]

Well I can't think of anything but coda's are good as they are

except for the stage confrontation

that dodging session is total butt

[stiff fable]

Well, they could add an item that gives a certain amount of affinity

[celest needle]

and getting jumped by 3 minibosses at once suck