lore-discussion

[strange plinth]

correct. i could not find your message before i found the comment

[proper barn]

Lmao

[strange plinth]

how will the old peace not be character development for the operator? its directly going into events they've been a part of

[celest needle]

The drifter keeps on catching Albrecht’s protoframes like Pokémon some body stop them

[celest needle]

And don't forget reliving them in vivid memory

[lean garden]

funny enough character growth for the operator is through the wackiest kind of exposure therapy

like so much of it is locked up in their noggin

[strange plinth]

gotta unlock it somehow

[old dome]

its that "fake nihilism vs real nihilism" meme 😭😭😭

[humble sierra]

The Old Peace update is more focused on the Operator than Drifter

[raven oar]

It is nothing we haven't done done before this trauma i just want them to try something new something we haven't seen before to make them a more interesting character to choose from because I feel when the drifter came to the seen it was all over for the kid

[humble sierra]

They're discovering that they had a best friend and likely will learn that they lost them too

[old dome]

this is why im hoping top has some calm moments for the tenno,, let them relax & just be a kid.

yeah theyre gonna get traumatized later on but for just a little bit,, let them relax.

[raven oar]

Yes me to

[humble sierra]

It at least starts off with a playground recess and cheating at school

By playground I mean the Hunhullus fight

[lean garden]

and then a casual after school fight in the backyard

[humble sierra]

A bit of hide and seek, a play fight, going up and helping your buddy cheat in class, then slaughtering rebels

Average childhood experience

[old dome]

also i hope this touches on the focus schools. thatd be cool.

[raven oar]

Than it turns into you kill your best friend

[lean garden]

well the tauron skills have to come from somewhere

[lean garden]

classic childhood experience

[humble sierra]

Maybe, maybe not

I'm thinking Adis just splits from the Tenno and Perita Academy at the end of Old Peace and then is the main antagonist for Tau2026

[strange plinth]

a lot of drifter's characterization through 1999 is exploring how they dealt with duviri and how that shaped their personality
the old peace is somewhat of a parallel to that, just with the operator's time in Tau

[old dome]

...they were in TAU?!

[humble sierra]

Where do you think the Old Peace is set?

[old dome]

werent they going there but the ship accident happened???

[strange plinth]

yeah, but the sentients still did their thing

[old dome]

wait now im confused

[raven oar]

I just don't like how this plot twist it is strangely predictable i hope there is something more to this

[humble sierra]

The Zariman came back, then the Orokin will send them to Tau

[lean garden]

I dont think its much of a plot twist lol

[old dome]

so this was when the zariman was just. a regular ship?

[humble sierra]

It's not meant to be a twist, its meant to be obviously tragic

[lean garden]

if anything the plot is very untwisted going this way

[strange plinth]

sentients built and sent, they take too long, zariman incident, sentients build the rail, old war, warframes, zariman returns, warframes w/ tenno, old peace, old war part 2

[humble sierra]

It's like watching any prequel, you know the good guys will have something happen to them so they end up the way they do in the original series

[raven oar]

Yes that is what I find so strange about it

[old dome]

ooooooh ok ok yeah now i get it

[stiff fable]

The term is "dramatic irony", where the characters don't know how the story is going to end, but the viewer does

[humble sierra]

Don't worry, this was new stuff explained after the Old Peace was announced, prior to that we were led to believe the Operator never made it to Tau (some Warframes did end up there though, but those were super old codex entries so people disregarded them)

[lean garden]

have you ever seen star wars?

[raven oar]

Yes

[humble sierra]

5:40 mark

https://youtu.be/1_5EKoz6-78?si=hrylwxzBZp6qFvia

[raven oar]

But that doesn't mean I want to repeat it

[stiff fable]

Another example might be "Romeo and Juliet"

Everyone knows how it ends, but the characters don't

[humble sierra]

Titanic too

[lean garden]

remember rogue one?

[raven oar]

Yes don't remind me

[lean garden]

same thing, we all knew how it was going to end

[raven oar]

I know how it ends

[lean garden]

and yet rogue one is like one of the best Star wars movies

[humble sierra]

Yep, you knew it was going to end badly, but you still got invested

That's tragedy

[stiff fable]

There's a play called Hamlet by Shakespeare. Very big tragedy, lots of revenge seeking and basically everyone ends up dead

[rose estuary]

||vader hallway scene goes hard||

[stiff fable]

Two of the minor characters, Rozencrantz and Guildenstern, are betrayed halfway through and die pointlessly offstage

There's a play "Rozencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead", ABOUT those two guys

[humble sierra]

There's another play called Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead which is super interesting

[stiff fable]

You got it

Rozencrantz and Guildenstern in that play are wondering what's going on around them

And periodically the scenes from Hamlet start to play and suddenly they're IN CHARACTER saying those lines

And when the bit ends they go "wait what just happened?"

It's all about this idea that the characters in stories don't know what's going to happen to them, even when the plot is very obvious

[humble sierra]

Yeah for the most part they're speaking more plain English, then it becomes the original Shakespearean when the scenes from Hamlet occur, so the shift is very noticeable

[stiff fable]

The last scene is the two of them realizing they're screwed, and that they've done all this before

When one of them up and vanishes (because he's died in the play) the other one says "Okay, we'll just get it right next time"

....'cept they can't

In the original, they exist to be used and betrayed, in their own play, they exist to make the point

Dramatic irony

[raven oar]

I just thought that this quest would have like some big revelations for the operator character to make them more on par with the drifter because I feel he is just not as interesting the multi dimensional time traveling romance seeking drifter

[normal mountain]

Well, so far, we do have a major revelation
The Operator had a friend

[stiff fable]

was goign to say lol

[normal mountain]

A Sentient friend, no less

[strange plinth]

and helped them cheat on a test

[raven oar]

I mean why pay as the traumatized chid soldier when you get that as a option

[stiff fable]

IMO I think there IS going to be a huge twist

....and I think it's going to be that Adis talks to the modern Drifter

Like that one scene in Assassin's Creed 2

[lean garden]

Heres my major twist:
only adis could see the operator

[raven oar]

I mean he is going to be dating the devil

[stiff fable]

actually you know what would be super funny

If Operator slew Adis, and then Adis was used to make Lotus

[raven oar]

And yes I know he is not actually the devil

[normal mountain]

I played Drifter first
(Back when Duviri was right after Vor's Prize)
Operator is infinitely more appealing to me since then

[raven oar]

He is orokin but still

[strange plinth]

the lore isn't on most people's minds when they're picking which one to use at any given moment. a lot of people use drifter because they're an adult, or because they're newer, or because the proto dating voice lines only play when using drifter. sometimes its fashion purposes. ik some people have done a ton of work on operator but not drifter, or vice versa

[normal mountain]

.
..
...
Good grief, I'm reading a fanfic that pulls something similar

[raven oar]

You might be one of the only I mat

[stiff fable]

? I run Operator

smaller hitbox

[humble sierra]

Yeah Operator is more interesting

[strange plinth]

idk i flip between them at any moment. depends on what i'm doing ig

[humble sierra]

I also did Duviri first, but I spent most of the game as the Operator

[bright temple]

i see plenty people every time I play who still use operator to the point it feels like more use operator over drifter

[restive river]

Operator has more mystery to them, Drifter’s everything is in a single quest and expanded on in KIM
But Operator? Several major quests just exploring their past

I love them both but Drifter is more defined due to their history being in one place and kinda easier to explore

[raven oar]

Then maybe they should make some cosmetics that only the operator can where

[stiff fable]

....that exists

[strange plinth]

there are a bunch lol??

[stiff fable]

Most of them are like that actually

[normal mountain]

They have those, mate
They're some of the original outfits

[strange plinth]

there's that suit in nightwave that people have been begging to let drifter have for a while, i believe

[restive river]

Not even the original outfits, there’s a lot of Operator exclusives

[stiff fable]

like iirc all the crafted cosmetics from Quills and Vox Solaris are Operator only

[restive river]

Both have exclusives
Operator has more since most times when Drifter gets something Operator gets it too

[normal mountain]

You know what would be silly?
Operator in the Drifter outfit

[stiff fable]

Now, mind you, with a tiny number of exceptions everything since New War has been shared with the Drifter on--

[strange plinth]

50/50 i think. i know one of the vox cosmetics is on drifter too

[humble sierra]

And even if they were both Drifter and Operator... it'd still be a choice

[raven oar]

Really thought the drifter could have them to

[restive river]

I’d kill for the sorta skirt

[stiff fable]

FUND IT
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[humble sierra]

Like ultimately the Drifter/Operator thing is a cosmetic choice

[restive river]

I’m so glad we’re finally getting more on the Operator :]

[dark compass]

"my warframe is strong"

[stiff fable]

I think the Drifter can get the Dax armor

[restive river]

We need new voicelines with the visual rework

[strange plinth]

ik they're getting an appearance overhaul but did they say anything about the voicelines lol

[normal mountain]

"We fought with honor."

[restive river]

Both can use the dax armor from Teshin

Both versions

[raven oar]

I hope they redo these voice lines

[stiff fable]

Honestly if they're going to call people in to record new voicelines for the quest, why not do the barks at the same time

And where are the Drfiter barks

[raven oar]

And And some for the drifter

[restive river]

“Heh, just like riding a Kaithe”

[dark compass]

I feel like drifter, if one gets that

[stiff fable]

Drifter should at least have some for Circuit and 1999

[normal mountain]

I kinda hope they don't redo the Operator yapping lines
Iirc, those are from the original Operator actors
Before they got repoed by the Drifter actors

[dark compass]

Will get extremely quippy

[raven oar]

Sure why not

[dark compass]

will make dumb jokes

[stiff fable]

Back when all the voicework was done in-house

[restive river]

“That was almost as rough as riding an Orowyrm!”

[normal mountain]

To me, it would almost feel like redoing all of Ordis' lines with the new actor

[restive river]

“I don’t think Teshin would approve of that one”

[dark compass]

They did it for Stalker, no?

Actually stalker barely has any lines

[stiff fable]

"Heh, easier than feeding a Maw"

[restive river]

They aren’t redoing them, the old ones will remain and there will be new ones

[raven oar]

Good thing they are not going to do that

[restive river]

Yes he got an entirely new VA
Ordis is not getting his lines replaced though, it’s just his new ones will be the new VA

[normal mountain]

Exactly my point
And it's why I think the old Operator lines should be preserved

[dark compass]

Drifter will shout "Begin, again!" When revived

[restive river]

Agreed!

[stiff fable]

Actually yes please

[restive river]

“I think Thrax would’ve liked that one”

[stiff fable]

"I know a rabbit that hits harder than these Scaldra goons"

[strange plinth]

could do a toggle
"legacy" barks or something

[restive river]

“This is almost as weird as when that man was in that wall!”

[stiff fable]

"Rap tap--oh, never mind"

[normal mountain]

Hmm
That could work

[normal mountain]

Don't think that one would happen
For multiple reasons

[stiff fable]

"I void dashed over here and boy are my arms tired!"

[restive river]

🤓 erm… it’s void sling…

[stiff fable]

Drifter never trained in the Tenno ways :V

[proper barn]

is the drifter

[restive river]

True lmao

[proper barn]

getting lines?

or nah

[stiff fable]

Been on the to-do list for years

Like, actual years

[restive river]

“What is this, some kind of new awkward spiral?”

[dark compass]

"death by impalement!"

[restive river]

Ok that one could be real lol

[proper barn]

i just loved how the drifter talked at the new war if you picked them.

[raven oar]

Also on a side note do you think they should do a sentient protoframe

[stiff fable]

I want one SO much

[restive river]

Eeh

[dark compass]

Not sure how that would work

[proper barn]

like saying "i don't wanna make it mad" talking about the unum or like going "HEY LADY THEY GOT THEIR HOOKS IN YOU DEEP" talking to the lotus.

[restive river]

Best we can offer is a caliban protoframe

[stiff fable]

Caliban or Revenant is my number 1 most wanted Proto

[normal mountain]

Bonus points if he says it in the same mocking tone as he used in the quest

[dark compass]

Caliban is an amalgam

[restive river]

His narmer connection is his dad and thats it

[proper barn]

the drifter just saying "LADY" for lotus was so great.

[dark compass]

Oops, right

[celest needle]

Is it ever explained why Natah looks so human compared to her other sentients?

[normal mountain]

Actually, since the Roathe reveal, I'd been tinkering with a Caliban Proto idea

[stiff fable]

She was designed that way

[proper barn]

the only sentient that looks like a person is lotus and it's only because she's a mimic.

[strange plinth]

is caliban technically the second frame to have two fathers

[restive river]

Caliban would be the closest to a sentient protoframe
Since
Already mostly a sentient

A protoframe that is an infected sentient isn’t something that I think could happen, they aren’t designed that way

[stiff fable]

She's the Sentient Mimic masterform

[proper barn]

sentient mimic queen.

[dark compass]

She was made to impersonate a human

[restive river]

We don’t know if Ballas was involved so, no?

[stiff fable]

So as far as we're aware, every OTHER Mimic you fight is a little piece of her

[proper barn]

yes

[restive river]

They should be fragments

[stiff fable]

...which could suggest that she has a spaceship form

[proper barn]

she is called the queen by a few characters.

[strange plinth]

fair point

[proper barn]

even a mimic queen sometimes.

[restive river]

Its sad but he only has the one confirmed dad

[dark compass]

The Ultimate Catfish

[restive river]

Maybe Daklo’s the second father

[stiff fable]

Caliban is the heir to two kingdoms

[raven oar]

I mean if you are going to make me kil my sentient friend might allow me to play as one

[restive river]

Caliban has two racist dads

[normal mountain]

Oof
Talk about a bad childhood

[restive river]

Caliban:

[stiff fable]

Meaning he's supposed to represent the best of Warframe/Orokin and Sentient technologies

[restive river]

A caliban proto really seems like the best you could get for a sentient protoframe
Since warframes are human

[dark compass]

So much for superior technology, and can't even move by hovering

Caliban Protoframe is just Caliban Prime

[celest needle]

Protea has 3

[normal mountain]

Prime, maybe
Pretty sure base was made by Erra to hunt Tenno

[restive river]

With a Revenant protoframe also being cool but
Idk how much they’d talk about their sentient abilities

[restive river]

3?
She has 2?

[dark compass]

Revenant Proto and it's just Castlevania Dracula

[stiff fable]

though.... you know, it's possible that step 1 of making Caliban was finding an Helminth strain that could mimic or infect the Sentients

[normal mountain]

I think Albrecht would be Grandpa in this case

[celest needle]

I mean technically 3? The time tech was made by Albrecht, stolen and designed by both Ballas and Parvos

[restive river]

He was likely made during the Old Peace for the Tenno
A true combination of both

[stiff fable]

So maybe the Caliban proto is a Sentient that's turning human

[restive river]

Eeh, I guess?

[restive river]

How does that work lol

[stiff fable]

I have no idea

But the infestation DOES reshape flesh into metal

[restive river]

I think that’s a bit too far

[stiff fable]

Why not metal into flesh, to fit the necessary form

[dark compass]

Turning into a human after being injected with a human virus

[restive river]

I’d argue it’d be made instead of found

[celest needle]

Why didn't Ballas capitalize off of time travel tech Like you know the power of time exists and your going to do NOTHING with it after making an entire frame based around it with the help of Parvos

[stiff fable]

He did

[raven oar]

Yes I think he would be a perfect candidate for one of albrecht experiments on tau

[stiff fable]

Or rather, the Orokin absolutely messed with the timeline

[celest needle]

HUH?

[restive river]

This reminds me

Why do they keep referring to Roathe as the first Orokin protoframe?

Did Albrecht do this to more of his class? How’d he even get away with that??

[restive river]

A present day experiment?

[celest needle]

Wha, what?

[restive river]

Here’s the thing
I’m not sure an infected sentient would be classified as a Warframe, even with Helminth

[raven oar]

Maybe he can time travel

[restive river]

When did Ballas utilize time travel

[stiff fable]

Noko is an infested mushroom

argh wrong response

[normal mountain]

Heh
My idea was a Orokin who sympathized with the Sentients
And kept sympathizing with them after the Old Peace ended
Ballas did what Ballas does, dosing him with a Caliban strain

Eh, needs more reason for Entrati to enter the picture, but that's what I got

[raven oar]

I mean albrecht

[celest needle]

~~How does that relate 😭 ~~

[restive river]

Yeah idk if he’d want to be in past Tau
We don’t even know why he’s going to present Tau

[stiff fable]

That's a solid idea

[stiff fable]

was juggling two responses

[normal mountain]

Thank you

[stiff fable]

Anyway, the New War explains that when you change history via time travel, the original timeline leaves traces

This is the reason for the weirdness we see in 1999 and Temporal Archemedia

So the Orokin absolutely abused time travel we just don't know how

[restive river]

What

I feel like that’s a huge claim with little evidence beyond Ballas and Parvos knowing about it

And neither of them utilizing it beyond Protea, as far as we know

We know Albrecht utilized it but
The other Orokin? Does anything suggest that?

[stiff fable]

Ducky, are you seriously suggesting that the Orokin of all people were responsible time travelers

The Orokin

[strange plinth]

protea prime trailer implies that time travel stuff was somewhat out of reach, even for the orokin, i thought "But temporal manipulation? Even the Entrati-"

[restive river]

No
I’m saying nothing says they utilized it at all

[raven oar]

I mean that doesn't mean he wouldn't make protoframe from a sentient hay maybe that is how adis can return maybe he makes him a special archon

[normal mountain]

I don't think the "responsible" bit was ever in question
The "time traveler" bit, however

[restive river]

If they had it they wouldn’t have lost the war and get classicided

[stiff fable]

It's Euleria's line during the Zariman lectures

[stiff fable]

That's why they all needed to die at once

There'd be no survivors to change the timeline

[dark compass]

Time travel technology research would've taken ages upon ages, but Parvos had enough platinum to rush it

[restive river]

There were in fact several survivors-

[stiff fable]

No one with access to time travel technology

[strange plinth]

the entrati, known for being able to "violate time" survived, and didn't stop anything

[stiff fable]

Except Albrecht who has his own thing

But also he is definitely not a responsible time traveler

[celest needle]

Parvos used platinum to survive by building regular protea in the foundry instantly

[restive river]

As far as I know nothing suggests any other Orokin other than Albrecht utilized time travel
Also ofc Ballas and Parvos for Protea but, that’s it?

[stiff fable]

that is distressingly likely

[bright temple]

Pretty much

[restive river]

If they had time travel the war wouldn’t have even happened

They wouldn’t need to stress about being impatient

[strange plinth]

and protea's time travel is fairly weak and localized

[dark compass]

I think he was acting under pretense that most of it would've been erased with nuclear war anyway

[stiff fable]

except for those "remnants of former timelines" thing

[restive river]

She at most made a loop iirc? Idr her quest’s time craziness enough atm

[bright temple]

are these remnants of former timelines in the room with us

[dark compass]

Yes, me

[stiff fable]

"Hey kiddo"

[dark compass]

You forgot to kill me back in the day

[strange plinth]

temporal dust, which is incredibly tied to wally and not the orokin

[dark compass]

I'm still here

[restive river]

I guess?
This is a cool theory but it doesn’t have much to support it,

[restive river]

He eat the yummy dust and make funny finger monsters

[celest needle]

So either they just gave up on trying to figure it out to its full extent or Parvos only grabbed so much to make Protea

[restive river]

It def sounded like he just wanted it for Protea and not for like
Actual time travel

[stiff fable]

It's the latter, because Parvos was obsessed with the Etrati

[restive river]

Correct me if I’m wrong but Ballas was hesitant

[strange plinth]

its entirely possible that after albrecht Disappeared Entirely, they stopped looking into it
but that's also lacking evidence

[restive river]

Of the individuals who utilized time manipulation it’s those two goobers and Albrecht
And us with the help of Loid but that’s recent

[stiff fable]

I'd have to rewatch the trailer but I chalked it up to Ballas hating that he had to pretend to be happy to spend time with Parvos

[restive river]

We don’t even know when he left yet, just that it was during the old war and when Archons were a thing

[restive river]

I can see that too lmao
Heck it could be a bit of both

[stiff fable]

Like, Ballas was acting like a pushy salesman

[dark compass]

He was happy, but pretended to pretend he is happy to save face

[restive river]

Like the Orokin are terrible but I do think they’d recognize that time manipulation is dangerous, change one thing wrong and no more empire
Remnants, sure but that’d be it

Correct me if I’m wrong but it also sounds like big things can’t be changed, no grandfather paradoxes (Flare wanting us to time travel back to save the band)

[stiff fable]

So the bit where Parvos shoved the tech at Ballas was him being all "Who do you think you are telling me how to do my job, stay in your lane merchant"

[restive river]

I can also see the Orokin just disrespecting it but
They weren’t all stupid, Ballas is terrible but he was smart

[celest needle]

At last. Esteemed Parvos. Tell me what you desire and we shall furnish you.

My desire is well known to you. Assemble what I have designed, and I shall be on my way.

Potent weaponry, exquisite anatomy, those are trivial. But temporal manipulation? Even the Entrati-

The Entrati have violated time, and I have violated them.

What shall we name her then - this child of two fathers?

Protea.

[stiff fable]

iirc it's something to the effect of "things only stay changed if you keep them changed"

[lean garden]

you mean "cant be changed" in that the timeline ought to be preserved and not *cant be changed" in that shit just dont move right?

[dark compass]

That really comes off as "I stole it so it's mine now"

[stiff fable]

So saving Flare's band means Flare's band dies because you never go back to save them because you don't have to

UNLESS you pull off one of those wild cons where you make Flare think the band dies so you do go back to save them

[restive river]

From what I recall it seemed like something we just couldn’t do? It’s been a bit since that dialogue so I may be wrong

[stiff fable]

But also timetravel to 1998 and earlier is hardblocked now so the point is moot

[restive river]

Yes so a paradox
If it makes a paradox it’s not a good idea

[lean garden]

I feel like it was more of a "whoopsie time paradox, veto" and less of a "physically cant"

[lean garden]

oh is that in the KIMs?

[stiff fable]

iirc

Kaya talks about it

[restive river]

Yeah
Which a paradox would just be bad, it can be done but it’d be. Not good

[dark compass]

Travel a bit too far and you are "physically ant"

[lean garden]

Im a proud member of fish to lizard, no ants in my dna

[stiff fable]

Also probably if you change history without some attempt to preserve causality Wally gets to stick his fingers in

[restive river]

I think the Orokin are smart enough to know that a paradox would be terrible for them, in the event they even had access to time travel

[stiff fable]

But that's just me guessing

[dark compass]

Horrible self report on my part, I can't believe it

[celest needle]

On the topic of time paradoxes

How is Duviri a Paradox? It's self imposed really and only occurs when Thrax wants it, not naturally occuring

[stiff fable]

The paradox is Lotus's hand arriving before Drifter gets out

And Teshin

[restive river]

Iirc
Operator saves Drifter so Drifter can save Operator so Operator can save Drifter so

[stiff fable]

And around and around we go

[restive river]

Also yeah Teshin and kinda the hand
Teshin doesn’t align with when we get stabbed for example

[stiff fable]

Oh also the Operator is the one sending you the Duviri loadouts

[restive river]

The hand is closer from what I recall

[stiff fable]

Including the first three

[restive river]

Where’d we find Duviri Stalker before Jade Shadows 😭

[stiff fable]

explicitly an alternate timeline

It's not the Stalker from our Origin System

[restive river]

But what timeline
That’s the problem

[stiff fable]

THAT'S THE PROBLEM

[celest needle]

Then where the muck is the operator during that time? Just hanging out in the void?

[stiff fable]

resolved slightly by the fact that Duviri isn't a timeline but "null"

[restive river]

Feels like it might be a hole and they just wanted playable stalker
Which
Fair

[strange plinth]

reliving the zariman incident

[stiff fable]

Trapped in a timeloop on the Zariman

....which is somehow back in the void

[restive river]

Literally reliving our history iirc

[stiff fable]

And also became the basis for Duviri

[restive river]

It just does that dw bout it

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/zoidburg-woop-flee-runaway-futurama-gif-5118359

[restive river]

Funny ship that’s multiple ships at once and tied to
The most trauma the void has ever witnessed

[stiff fable]

Wally: "so far"

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/gulp-cat-gif-27257259

[stiff fable]

Isleweaver looms menacingly

[celest needle]

Slaps reliquary drive This bad boy can slam so much trauma you can create an entire alternate dimension from a picture book

[restive river]

The duvirians are just sleeping! It’s just nap time :)

[restive river]

We need this as a real meme

[stiff fable]

It's actually kinda crazy that Wally is trying to paradox the Drifter out of existence

[restive river]

Oh yeah there’s a new baro voiceline i think where he mentions maybe wally?

[stiff fable]

go on...

[restive river]

I haven’t seen it in game so idk if it’s available
But he mentions a wight coming out of a white hole

[stiff fable]

oh my god how have I never heard this line

https://wiki.warframe.com/images/BaroMissionWin2.ogg?bda26

hahahaha

[eager briar]

why dont we just tell velamir/minerva that neci is in duviri

[stiff fable]

we do

you need to finish their whole story with the good end and find all the Isleweaver fragments

[eager briar]

oh

[celest needle]

Why blud so joyful 😭

[stiff fable]

Have you done Sands of Inaros

[dark compass]

He is a huge fan

[stiff fable]

it's basically Superman and Jimmy "Supercapitalism" Olson

[dark compass]

This reminds me of him

[restive river]

That’s what he looks like beneath the helmet

[celest needle]

Too busy trying to build stupid builds

[I refuse to heleminth]

[stiff fable]

Go take 100 ducats and do Sands of Inaros

[celest needle]

I have it available

[stiff fable]

you need to buy the quest from Baro to start it

It'll.... actually it won't go all that fast

Take Heliocor with you

[celest needle]

I did 2 months ago

just haven't touched it

[stiff beacon]

do it, its baros backstory weirdly enough

[ashen pulsar]

baro took all my moneys tho

all my ducats

and prime parts

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/he-left-me-with-nothing-camille-previn-saint-pierre-he-took-everything-from-me-he-abandoned-me-completely-gif-10531167325275868947

[fast oak]

Baro is planning on building clem prime w/ all the prime parts he's collecting to sell for 999 mil credits and 9999 trillion ducats

[left oyster]

In the lore is it us( our character) that blinded margulus and blamed rell? Or nah?

[lean garden]

presently wally suggests that we did it

[left oyster]

Dang, we suck

[proper barn]

Well we where scared kids.

Who's parents tried to kill us.

Now we learned later only the adults that had kids went mad but if your a kid and all your parents went crazy I would be scared of anyone I saw. Also no matter who did it it was a accident. @left oyster

[celest needle]

Now imagine the Tenno who tried to reason with their parents thinking they were still sane

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-cat-in-front-of-sea-gif-16930437336998530733

[proper barn]

I mean Quinn talks about how he tries to help some kids he found but they thought he was a crazed adult and blasted him.

[hollow siren]

"But don't worry child, you're safe with me!"
Her eyes are distant, unfocused; she's lying.

[unique talon]

Sentient fishes..?

That's kinda weird...

[dire mountain]

No not really

We already have sentients based off of animals from old earth

[strong ginkgo]

Ok I am confused: I haven't touched Warframe since the 1999 Hex final cutscene happened and now there is Minerva and the Musician at Hollvania... did I miss a cutscene or something?

[rich stump]

Nope, they show up once you reach rank 4 with the Hex and all of them become interactively at rank 5

Tho they were ofc only added in Techrot Encore

The KIM group chat after reaching rank 4 should mention them tho

Basically, you didn’t miss a cutscene, you just missed an update

[quartz stirrup]

Yo i have a question. Sorry for the change in topic, but who was the girl in the introduction scene?

[proper barn]

I mean are they?

Sentients already model some of themselves off of old earth creatures.

[proper barn]

Generic operator

[quartz stirrup]

Are they supposed to be us?

[proper barn]

Kinda.

[quartz stirrup]

Kinda? 💀

[strange turtle]

There’s a “cutscene” but it’s the trailer/teaser and not in the game for whatever reason

[proper barn]

The beast lords of tau

Where literally based on old earth creatures

[strange turtle]

Really just go on the website and stuff

[proper barn]

For no reason. At least the fish could be terraforming

[strange turtle]

Also like we already have robot fishes for the coolant

[proper barn]

Yes.

[strange turtle]

Sentient fishes for terraforming or maintenance or whatever else aren’t that surprising

[quartz stirrup]

Shes not the one we are playing as then, right?

[strange turtle]

No

She’s just a vague representation

Wait how far into things are you

[quartz stirrup]

Until the Archwing

[strange turtle]

Ah

Yeah it’ll make more sense when you reach Second Dream

[quartz stirrup]

I see

[strange turtle]

Just don’t think about it much until then, it’s not important rn

[quartz stirrup]

Ok then, I just thought it was weird that she just placed lotuses in front of the statues and magically disappeared

[hexed oxide]

is there such a thing as magic in warframe or does everything have some sort of scientific basis ?

[quartz stirrup]

@hexed oxide I guess its more like their own weird science

[pale cedar]

You’re literally a magic space “demon”

[hexed oxide]

i don't think the void is just magic

[quartz stirrup]

Most of it is the orokin-era tech anyway

[pale cedar]

Void has scientists that study it but it is still magical

[quartz stirrup]

@pale cedar I mean technically we are just people who control orokin-era suits

[pale cedar]

Warframes aren’t suits

[hexed oxide]

i think the void is comparable to the sun

[quartz stirrup]

Debatable

[pale cedar]

Warframes are human beings

[hexed oxide]

humans can't produce solar rays, we still study them and make energy out of them, no magic involved there

[quartz stirrup]

Which quest are you on?

[pale cedar]

The point of the Scarifice was Warframes were human beings infested

[hexed oxide]

were

[pale cedar]

Still are actually

All Warframes are still sentient

The point of transference is giving them therapy

[quartz stirrup]

"Warframes" are suits with bio-tech so they are partially sentient, but warframes are actually beings by themselves, right?

[pale cedar]

Warframes aren’t suits

[quartz stirrup]

The wiki doesnt seem to agree

[pale cedar]

The Wiki is run by clowns

Also is prone to errors

DE don’t run the wiki they have people for that

[quartz stirrup]

Source, then?

[pale cedar]

The Sacrifice

The whole point of the dialogue regarding frames is Warframes aren’t suits but human beings

A Suit would imply they put it on which they don’t

[hexed oxide]

the sacrifice does explain that operators were made to keep the first warframes sane, but the ones produced in the present are not humans because they are not made out of humans

[quartz stirrup]

Personally, i stand with the wiki on the fact that maybe the arent exactly "suits" but are a form of infestastion which the tenno used as a vessel to control them using transference

Plus i trust the wiki

[hexed oxide]

drifter explains there is nothing but some personality left of them, there is no sentience

that's the whole point of umbra, he's the only frame who still has a functional mind in him

[pale cedar]

The Sacrifice shows otherwise

Plus

So does Second Dream

[quartz stirrup]

In short, they're not suits, but they are vessels

[pale cedar]

Second Dream showed even our built ones are sentient

[hexed oxide]

when ?

[pale cedar]

When our frame moves on its own

[quartz stirrup]

They are not "sentient" and they are not beings of their own, just a vessel, a bio-mechanical armour-like "vessel" which can channel void energy through them

[pale cedar]

Basically what Jade Shadows implies extremely heavily is frames are sentient if they have a motivation

Umbras was the burning memory

Stalker and Jades was their child

Ours was us in danger

[quartz stirrup]

Yeah, thats probably because they're not beings, just organisms which the tenno have control of

[pale cedar]

Umbra literally can’t move past his trauma no matter what we do because of how Ballas designed him

[hexed oxide]

no ?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[hexed oxide]

you have three choices to help him get past that

[pale cedar]

It’s literally a burning memory

Trust me if something is constantly on loop in your mind you can’t just simply move past it

[quartz stirrup]

I concede that they aint suits, but are organisms with a neural network and everything, but they are just vessels which we have control of, they are partially sentient, but are mindless rn because they are controlled by us

[hexed oxide]

"we use this memory, it fuels our wrath"
"we accept this memory and move beyond its reach"
"we return this memory to the void and find peace in our emptiness"

dialogue from each of the choices during the sacrifice

[quartz stirrup]

this is also according to the wiki btw and i think that its a pretty accurate description

[pale cedar]

Which if they actually worked he wouldn’t be moving on his own rn

He’d be like every other frame

[hexed oxide]

why ?

[pale cedar]

Because they’re calm af

[pale cedar]

Umbra has to live with it on loop

Don’t try bringing an augment into lore discussion as that is gameplay

DE only added that because people complained

[hexed oxide]

but why would he just stop doing anything for getting over the memory ? compared to every other frame we make his mind is mostly intact

[pale cedar]

We help him

We can’t cure him

That memory is literally burning on loop

[hexed oxide]

during jade shadows ordis also calls out for him, he still acts normal

[pale cedar]

Umbra isn’t even there

Ordis asks if he is there

[hexed oxide]

why would he ask for umbra if it's not common for him to just walk around the orbiter ?

[pale cedar]

It is common

It is common because he isn’t calmed because he literally can’t be calmed in the same way

Which kinda makes your augment pic irrelevant too

Just because you tell a person to move past something it doesn’t mean they will or can

[tall echo]

Wiki

[quartz stirrup]

I did some research

They were human beings

But because of the helminth strain, most of them are sentient, but not sapient bio-mechanical suits

they kinda transformed

[hexed oxide]

operator isn't any person, they transferred themselves into umbra and saw the exact same umbra saw and felt, i would say the fact he accepts and stops fighting the operator is more than enough proof that he does whatever thing you chose

[pale cedar]

It’s proof he let us in to help him
But he still can’t move past what happened due to how he was designed

He has to constantly see himself murdering his son

That’s not something you can just move past

[swift sentinel]

Because it's meant to be a joke.

[unique talon]

As for all Warframes

But I still think Valkyr is the worst case to "heal"

[pale cedar]

Other Warframes haven’t got it on loop but we can definitely help them much easier than Umbra

[unique talon]

Kinda weird not seeing umbra Wandering our orbital

Even though ordis mentions him

[hollow siren]

Probably hard to make him work with potential decorations

[unique talon]

Necramite, oraxia spider, nokko mushroom, domestic drone

[pale cedar]

Umbra might cause pathing issues tbh

Seeing Umbra move might be better in the Backroom than Orbiter

[hollow siren]

Domestiks tilt on surfaces. Umbra being a sudden 45° standing upright would look very janky

[unique talon]

I mean

[pale cedar]

My pets and drones already get suck in my Backroom tbh as they go in between a table I placed downstairs with 3 Entrati poufs and the chair the Backroom comes with

[unique talon]

Just put his gameplay form in the orbital

Like a specter

[pale cedar]

Do you think Tau 2026 will give us an Academy room in Tau similar to Dormizone?

[unique talon]

Most probably

But I wouldn't use it anyway

[hollow siren]

if any coming update is adding a new Base of Operations it'd be Tau 2026

[unique talon]

XD

I'm more fascinated for weapons based on tau dmg

[pale cedar]

It is an academy and academy’s often have dorms

[unique talon]

Basmu is literally a sentient weapon and does not deal tau dmg

[old dome]

why were yall playing trauma olympics...

[unique talon]

@pale cedar Also, since we're going to visit some academies, it would be logical for a new school based on tau

[hollow siren]

For the same reason the Grimoire does not deal Void damage

[unique talon]

There's a slight difference..

[hollow siren]

the Tauron Strikes kinda fulfill that role already tbh

[unique talon]

Between and dmg

Though, we probably are going to get a full place based on sentients

[hollow siren]

Tau damage only became a proper damage type with Caliban's rework too, so it's still relatively new

[unique talon]

So the best damage, in theory, against them would be the void one

[hollow siren]

Void damage does reset their Resistance

but they're not Weak to it oddly enough

[ashen pulsar]

why doesn't kahl despise us? we kill a ridiculous amount of his brothers and he's not exactly a grineer defector

he still likes his fellow grineer and wants to save them

[hollow siren]

No, he is. He renounces the Queens during Veilbreaker

[hollow siren]

Wants to save them from the Empire and from Narmer

[pale cedar]

I remember in like 2021 I couldn’t do the final rising tide part mission till I got Umbra

Looking at it now I could’ve just Operatored them back then

[ashen pulsar]

oh yeah true but he still likes grineer is what I meant

[ashen pulsar]

sure but killing normal grineer is okay?

[hollow siren]

Kahl is no fool, he knows what war forces one to do

[unique talon]

This is literally the only status damage they can't develop resistance against

[hollow siren]

He sees Corpus as Brothers too, but knows he has to kill some or else they'll just kill him

[hollow siren]

yeah, but the Sentient Faction is not Weak to it is what I mean

[unique talon]

@hollow siren one thing I would be very excited and curious to see is this:

[ashen pulsar]

forces people to do some things but we aren't forced to do other parts of our torture

ie synthesizing grineer to murder endlessly and dissecting them if you're paired with veil

[hollow siren]

Requiem mods and Peculiar Mods essentially are, but yeah true

[unique talon]

Like

We have mods like these developed to deal with techrot and murmur factions

So why not void damage to deal with the sentients

I suspect DE might rework the sentients with the tau update

Which would make perfect sense

[hollow siren]

They want to keep that to the Operator. Xaku's Void damage does not reset Sentient resistance, exception being Deny's beam

Radial Howl does it too, but that's it

[unique talon]

If they would add these new damages as something official

They would be impossible to craft like corrosive and viral

Only being able to get through ultra rare mods or weapons Embedded in

[unique talon]

The only opportunity I had to test tau damage was through nokko missions

And you were right, they're ridiculously op

[hollow siren]

yeah the only way to deal Tau damage normally is Caliban and Venato

[pale cedar]

Trinity can redirect it

[ashen pulsar]

Shroooms

[pale cedar]

Trumpets deal it too

[hollow siren]

I know, hence why I specified dealing it normally

[ashen pulsar]

Big shroom wants you to do more shrooms

[hollow siren]

as in on-demand anywhere

[pale cedar]

I wonder if Tau has any Trumpets

[hollow siren]

Maybe not actual mushrooms, but maybe some fungus-esque life

[dark compass]

Archmelee anti murmur mod
No archwing murmur

[tall echo]

Titania:

[strong ginkgo]

Link?

Because I missed the 'round table' thing too.

[twin wigeon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRrLLI_bzFo

My GOAT FLAREEEEE

this is probably like the best uhhh introduction of the trio arriving in the mall

[obsidian cloud]

We re family to him

[spice wedge]

So did kahl in the end got the final answer after helping his brothers.

[twin wigeon]

for?

[spice wedge]

after removing their veils

[twin wigeon]

sorry what question tho?

am i missing smth?

[tall echo]

What answer

[dark compass]

beef or chicken

[twin wigeon]

jolly ranchers

[spice wedge]

I just wonder, what hapenned after we finished kahl missions and we got done many places,does he get any final words for tenno or drifter in future, after he saved all grineer across the orokin system.

[dark compass]

Mission never ends

Pazuul is still out in the wild

[pale cedar]

He never saves all Grineer

[spice wedge]

So we still run around saving same missions hm, no changes or news about that.

[silk atlas]

As with most content in the game, the issue is never fully resolved

[spice wedge]

[quartz stirrup]

Guys, i spent way too much time on finding the answer to the question, so can someone please clarify it for me: Are mordern warframes suits, or are they human beings? Cuz ik the first ones were mutated humans.

[silk atlas]

They're all mutated humans

Every single one

[quartz stirrup]

Even the ones we make?

[main crane]

All Warframes are infested meatsuits. So yeah they are all humans.

[silk atlas]

Every single one.

We're just making copies of "the first ones"

[quartz stirrup]

yeah copies, but not actually sacrificing a human every time, right?

[silk atlas]

Correct

[quartz stirrup]

we just make them with blueprints and out of generic infested materials?

[silk atlas]

Yes

[quartz stirrup]

I see. Thanks a lot bruv

[ashen pulsar]

I meant we kill his brothers so why doesn’t he hate us for that

[silk atlas]

Because he understand they're under the Queen's control

[main crane]

Probably because he knows the majority of the Grineer are blinded by a cause. Like we could call Kahl and his brothers for air support and they would go guns blazing on enemies including Grineer.

[silk atlas]

There's Defection if you want Grineer we're sympathetic to

[proper barn]

I mean they still got a tortured mind of the person that was turned into the warframe originally anjd if you peeled back the layers you would see something BUT we aren't stealing people to make them.

@quartz stirrup have you played the sacrifice?

[quartz stirrup]

Nah, Im still in early game, just got this thought that i couldnt shake off

[main crane]

Ohh. You're in for a show then.

[quartz stirrup]

Im in the archwing

[proper barn]

OH BOY

Your in for a treat.

[quartz stirrup]

Sure hope so, cuz i got really curious, but i also dont want spoilers, so now i got these random pieces of information that dont make any sense when put together

[proper barn]

Yeah it was kinda implied

That they where people. Like we had the gara prime trailer

And the mirage prime trailer

[quartz stirrup]

Yeah

Whatever. Warframe is a fever dream anyway. ig I'll figure it out as i go on

[proper barn]

Also dagaths story. Dagaths story is interesting if you go listen to it in a dojo.

[twin wigeon]

also nokko's story when you get there

which is a literal fever dream

[proper barn]

Nokkos

Is confusing or even me.

[twin wigeon]

aren't you a shroom?

[quartz stirrup]

Dagath? Nokko?

[proper barn]

There's like a "all mushrooms are the infestation and maybe all plants on Venus are" thing.

[quartz stirrup]

Boy i came here thinking this was a game where you go pew pew on some weird space aliens 😭 🙏

[proper barn]

Dagath is a headless well mostly headless horse woman. If you want to hear her story if you are in a clan you can go into the dojo ajd listen to it.

[proper barn]

There are no aliens in warframe.

[quartz stirrup]

Ohhh dammm

[quartz stirrup]

Yeah ik that now

[proper barn]

Just horrors

Endless horrors.

[twin wigeon]

We digress. You had a question?

[proper barn]

Anyway here's dagath.

[quartz stirrup]

I had many questions, and i still do, but i guess they are better left unanswered for now.

[proper barn]

Yee.

Do more quests

[twin wigeon]

Indeed.

[proper barn]

Then come back after you get to like the sacrifice.

[quartz stirrup]

Gotta appriciate warframes character designs tho

they look sick

[twin wigeon]

Indeed

[main crane]

Yes. Better do the quests because getting knowledge early ruins the fun.

[twin wigeon]

DE never stops cooking

[quartz stirrup]

Yeah, its really overwhelming

[proper barn]

Yeah they are good cuz they are all made by people that just wanna design good. Also a lot of the designers are lgbt so you know the special sauce.

[twin wigeon]

Take your time please, the game will be here tomorrow and the day after

[south sun]

Keep in mind that some major story-beats exist only on the wiki / YouTube as they were during limited-time events.

[proper barn]

Not major

[south sun]

Alad, Tyl Regor, even some Vay Hek stuff

[proper barn]

I wouldn't say anything too major.

[main crane]

Well, lore wise, we have amnesia waking up from eons of sleeping. So technically it's gonna be overwhelming.

[south sun]

Alad's is pretty major

[proper barn]

Eh

[twin wigeon]

Eh

Ehhhhhh

[south sun]

it doesn't tie to the recent plot threads, but it connects older plots

[twin wigeon]

Oh fs

[main crane]

What's with Alad?

[twin wigeon]

Salad

[south sun]

Pretty much everything about what happens to him is so disjointed and pieces of it only from the events

[main crane]

Fair

[twin wigeon]

He’s switched sides like thrice now

And calls us betrayers

[raw stone]

The pot calls the kettle black and so on... Didn't know he swapped sides so much tho.

[main crane]

I think it's just what the Corpus calls us. Even Nef Anyo calls us betrayers.

[raw stone]

We never even worked with Anyo.

Or did I forget some obscure fortuna event?

[main crane]

I think they call us betrayers because we betrayed the Orokin

[south sun]

He also got himself infested, then needed help with a cure

such a smart person, lol

[raw stone]

He thought he could control it. And maybe he still thought that on Eris, like he was still in control. Sad, really.

[south sun]

huh... apparently Alad wasn't cured on the PS4
-# though the PC choice was what became canon

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Operation:_Tubemen_of_Regor

[pale cedar]

All the worlds are aligned now anyways so the PS4 choice is irrelevant

[south sun]

yep

[quartz stirrup]

I mean kinda?

in the deadlock protocol?

[raw stone]

Hmn... Parvos comes before New War, correct?

[quartz stirrup]

yeah, its around the time of the Archwing

But more than a work with him, its kinda like,"Oh, we will just call off a truce with yall until your tenno servant will go defeat parvos granum for you and me alike"

[dark compass]

And then he just calls for self destruct that we barely stopped from happening

[quartz stirrup]

FR LIKE WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT FOR?

[dark compass]

He wanted to save his ass, we wanted to save solaris prisoners

[quartz stirrup]

Before we went on the fight that happened but also never really happened

[quartz stirrup]

Nah but parvos rejecting him downright had to be one of the funniest shi

[tall echo]

Trying to prevent parvos from escaping

[quartz stirrup]

fair makes sense

[tall echo]

Neffy only uses it in the new bounties which makes me think the writer forgot who calls us betrayers

[misty salmon]

Misery also mentions betrayers for some reason. (though it's not clear who they're exactly referring to.)

[lean garden]

Aint you not at the Second Dream yet?

[quartz stirrup]

nah

[tall echo]

The acolytes originate from an alad-focused operation

[lean garden]

Theyre talking bout you

The acolytes and the corpus mean you when they say betrayers

[quartz stirrup]

Are the grineer worse or are the corpus?

and on that topic, which syndicates the worst?

[main crane]

Both are power hungry so uhhh both are stupid

[tall echo]

Grineer but not by much

[tall echo]

Red veil and new loka

[misty salmon]

Worst syndicate is a tossup between Loka and Cephalon InYourFace (Simaris) for me.

[tall echo]

Simaris? Seriously?

[main crane]

Simaris is funny

[quartz stirrup]

Nah not simaris??

[tall echo]

Simaris is as bad as the "anything that isn't human must die" syndicate to you?

[misty salmon]

I like my personal space.... also I'm not really into the whole "it's not murdering people, IT'S SCIENCE".

[main crane]

Well, they're technically dead and are just a bunch of data at this point.

[tall echo]

And that makes him as bad as the people trying to copy historic germany?

[misty salmon]

I don't have to deal with the Loka idiots nearly as much in person.

[tall echo]

Oh subjectively

Still a questionable take

[dark compass]

I can perfectly understand the point, Simaris doesn't really mind the difference between alive and digitalized,

[misty salmon]

oh he prefers digitized, which is why he's constantly sending us out to unalive ("capture") people and make them digitized to he can murder them, over and over and over and over... but it's fine, because it's science!

[dark compass]

And not only it is happening involuntarily, he also puts those digitalized beings into a looping torture device for data gathering purposes

[dark compass]

Phrasing. I meant that he doesn't care about the creature's mind

[main crane]

So I guess we could agree that New Loka, Red Veil, and Cephalon Simaris are the least favorable syndicates?

[dark compass]

We are assisting him in digital murder sprees for training. He is here for digital murder sprees

[proper barn]

You don't like red veil?

[quartz stirrup]

I mean red veils intentions are good, but their methods are questionable.

[dark compass]

Yeah, they did good

Confused, but got the spirit

[tall echo]

Their intentions were good

[main crane]

Not exactly what I meant.

[proper barn]

Lul

[tall echo]

The current veil purges any they deem corrupt, which coincidentally included ppl who disagree with them

[main crane]

Lore wise, they love torturing people and are cannibals. My railjack crewmate won't stop yapping about how he made one of his men shut up by eating him.

[dark compass]

Yummers

You are hiring some weird people

[strange plinth]

red veil showing up to steal defectors behind steel meridian's back is another point against them

[main crane]

Which is actually funny. One good reason I still keep him in my crew list LMAO.

[dark compass]

"he's our mascot, he eats people"

[misty salmon]

Veil is probably next on my list, then it's probably Arbiters for being similarly dogmatic extremists.

[dark compass]

Arbiters are enlightened centrists who bet on "nothing ever happens"

Meanwhile Red Veil donates to the autism research in hopes they find a cure

[quartz stirrup]

Can we agree that steel meridian is the best?

[main crane]

I can agree

[dark compass]

Yeah they are pretty much the only group that puts people first

[tall echo]

They don't

[dark compass]

Rell was here, at least

I guess they'll think it's funding a weapon

[misty salmon]

Meridian is pretty good, Suda is also reasonably chill, Perrin isn't terrible, just capitalist.

[strange plinth]

Meridian, Suda, Perrin, Hexis, Veil, Loka, imo

[dark compass]

[quartz stirrup]

Suda is chill

[dark compass]

Only noticeable problem Perrin has is that they're ok with New Loka

[quartz stirrup]

nah i personally dont vibe with perrin

Its just toned down corpus ideaologies

[strange turtle]

The best Syndicate is obv Operational Supply

[dark compass]

To be fair Glast is not that hypocritical

[strange turtle]

It really isn’t

[dark compass]

He often put most of his resources on the line just to save people

[tall echo]

That's definitely gameplay only

[strange plinth]

Glast is partial corpus ideologies w/o the immense greed

[quartz stirrup]

I dont know, i still feel like he gives of that business, business, money, money, greed, greed vibe

[tall echo]

Ideology

[quartz stirrup]

Not immense greed but still present

[tall echo]

He believes in sharing riches

[quartz stirrup]

hmmm

[strange turtle]

Then you’re reading him wrong ig

[misty salmon]

he's very transactional, won't do anything without a profit, but he's willing to recognize that both sides should profit, and his profit might be "I help you out today, you live to be a potential customer tomorrow"

[spice wedge]

So i have been with new loka for 8 months, and 3 weeks ago I transferred to Perrin to get all the stuff, what is next syndicate the best to find a balance for the last 4th syndicates.

[quartz stirrup]

Could be

[tall echo]

And also isn't as evil with obtaining them

Basically not evil at all

[quartz stirrup]

Ig bros just a dude who wants a quick buck

[dark compass]

Real Glast Gambit is corrupted holokeys

[strange turtle]

The Perrin Sequences whole thing is shared profit and prosperity and profit without unnecessary violence/exploitation

[dark compass]

He may be rich, but I doubt he'd be against worker unions

[quartz stirrup]

brodie was an entrepreneur born in a wrong world

[strange plinth]

the worst part about meridian is they still don't have a quest that they're involved in
-# pyrus project doesn't count, that was an event

[dark compass]

Cetus undermind

Trust

[tall echo]

...that's a good thing

[misty salmon]

Meridian is sort of involved in Harrow... but only tangentally.

[dark compass]

I'm not sure where I said that it's not

[tall echo]

Sounded like you meant it's bad

[dark compass]

Im not a monster

[normal mountain]

Caverns of Eidolon

[strange plinth]

they're in the background, yea
Iron Wake really could've been anywhere/owned by anyone and the story wouldn't change much

[dark compass]

The unum tower

[normal mountain]

...that actually sounds cool, ngl

[spice wedge]

Clem is there too I don't see him to appear to ergo blast anymore these days.

[quartz stirrup]

Oh yeah, and what are specters, anyway?

just shells of warframes?

do they have any lore?

[strange plinth]

yes, but i don't remember most of it
i think something about specter particles lets them mimic stuff, including warframes
a lot of the deployable allies we can use are specters
parvos discovered them i believe?

[quartz stirrup]

Aight, maybe, but why are they just magically in every junction? 💀

[tall echo]

Defense system

[quartz stirrup]

Created by...?

actually dont answer that

[tall echo]

Either orokin or tenno

[quartz stirrup]

i asume ill know it later?

[strange plinth]

same ones who made the rails

[quartz stirrup]

ohh

[strange turtle]

Orokin

I was looking for thing from Parvos about them and found dialogue

I think most people’ve forgot they had it tbh

https://www.orokinarchives.com/dialogue-spectres/

[ocean geyser]

I figured specters were either warframe shells or created with specter particle tech
Possibly both considering what happened to Protea

[leaden thicket]

Just finished hex mission and I'm kinda confused

[proper barn]

shoot

[stiff beacon]

you aint done boyo, gotta do a dating sim now

[proper barn]

lmao

[leaden thicket]

wha?😭

[proper barn]

I WAS GONNA GET TO THAT.

also you don't have to date anyone.

you gotta make friends with the hex now.

@leaden thicket what are you confused about?

instead of us talking you ask your questions.

[leaden thicket]

so uh what happend in the end?

[proper barn]

Drifter made the loop happen.

like how duviri is a loop kinda.

[leaden thicket]

mhm

[proper barn]

anyway

OH @leaden thicket you can make 1999 your default login if you want.

[silk atlas]

Duviri and 1999 were already loops before Drifter got there, it just looped again

[proper barn]

and is LONGER.

[leaden thicket]

oh

[proper barn]

but yeah like the drifter camp

[leaden thicket]

i see

[proper barn]

you can make it yourlogin location.

[restive river]

No?
The loop was present, they just took control.

[proper barn]

yee

[leaden thicket]

ok

[proper barn]

you don't have to

obivously but you can.

OH @leaden thicket okay so go to the Kim PC and turn on all conversations.

but as albretch said become friends with each hex and something will happen, @leaden thicket

[restive river]

You’ll want to increase your bond with the Hex members and rank up the syndicate

[proper barn]

yee

[leaden thicket]

why i cant find 1999
its on earth isnt it?

[restive river]

Do their bounties, literally just talk to them or send them gifts
if you want to date any of them the best advice is treat them like a real person, you can also get tips from Quincy

[proper barn]

okay are you in your orbiter?

in the front of it ther'es a new OBJECT

[restive river]

You can access 1999 from the Pom-2 in your Orbiter to the right of Nav

[proper barn]

yeah

[restive river]

Click the backroom (needle icon) or the mall right next to it to go there

[proper barn]

also the backrooms do have everything your orbiter has.

[leaden thicket]

this?

[restive river]

Almost

[restive river]

Yup!

It will have the ! If there’s a message or reward iirc

[proper barn]

yes. TURN ON ALL CONVERSATIONS here. or in 1999 at your PC.

[proper barn]

almost?

[restive river]

Fyi because you’ve done the quest the calendar will switch over tomorrow so don’t sweat the rewards too much

[restive river]

It has most of what we need
But it does not have anything regarding the Railjack or customizing the Lotus
I think there’s something else but I may be mistaken (not thinking of the garrison, thats a camp exclusive)

[proper barn]

oh sure.

[restive river]

It also lets you customize the bike, meanwhile you can’t do that in the Orbiter/camp

[proper barn]

wait

can't you place a bike thing

in your orbiter

or i am going insane?

[restive river]

No?

[ashen pulsar]

Yep. In the map tab, you can find the mall and even switch operations to the backrooms, which I prefer despite drifter’s camp kinda being the most practical

[ashen pulsar]

I think you can access rj by pressing escape tho

[restive river]

In the backroom?
Idk how that works, there’s no physical way to it

You also can’t mod it from the backroom

[ashen pulsar]

Escape > equipment > railjack

Not physical tho

[ocean geyser]

It’s just not on the gear wheel yeah

[pale cedar]

Ordis

Since Ordis became a vendor

[dark compass]

And Kahl, since kahl became our friend

And Chipper, since Chipper became Kahl's friend who became our friend

[celest needle]

To what extent can other tenno join us canonically

for thing like Cetus, Fortuna, Deimos I think that canoncially yeah the other Tenno we play with are canon but I am indecisive for things like the Sanctum and the Zariman

Of course we are solo in Duviri and 1999 since there is only canonically one drifter

[pale cedar]

Zariman has no issues with other Tenno showing up it became known to most if not all factions which is why it is being attacked in the first place

Plus we can all fly there as all Tenno have ships

[humble sierra]

For 1999 maybe you could argue that the Drifter brought/made some Specter tech or that the other players are just the Protoframes joining you

[celest needle]

How about Sanctum?

[pseudo edge]

any reason why the fish are so ugly?

[humble sierra]

Evolution

Surviving the Eidolon-polluted water makes them ugly

[pseudo edge]

that's unfortunate

[proper barn]

these are mortis lungfish made to look like a decaying carcass

so it can eat the fish that try to sacgance.

[proper barn]

that's not polluted.

eidolons don't make pollution.

[proper barn]

when you catch them it tells you about them.

[restive river]

The backroom is missing our goat yeah

[humble sierra]

Whatever they do to the water to make it dangerous

Idk the word

[proper barn]

They don't though.

They just make parts of it magnetic but thats all.

[ocean geyser]

To be fair the eidolons wouldn’t be the only source of pollution the earth’s recovering from

[hollow siren]

imagine if irl a big chunk of mechanical scrap was dumped into a lake and later on the entire lake became highly magnetic

That would very much be polluted

[proper barn]

they aren't STUCK in there.

[hollow siren]

we see the Eidolon bones shedding flakes at night

[proper barn]

also it's not scrap or metal.

Sentients don't inherintly destory

they are actually like mine/terraforming drones.

also the unum and the quills and ostrons keep the plains very clean and upkept as much as they can.

[hot mural]

Isn't Hunhows old name "Hunhow the Destroyer"?

[hollow siren]

That was the title he gained during the Old War

originally he was seen as "a farmer", for how he would cultivate the lands of Tau to plant the seeds that would grow into the new Orokin frontier

[proper barn]

that was after he like went to WAR. Like you know the orokin where the ones to start the old war right?

like orokin aren't good people.

[hollow siren]

It's still unknown who struck the first blow

[strange plinth]

i mean, we still don't really know which shot first. both claim it was the other

[proper barn]

Hunhow says golden armdas

[hot mural]

It's obvious it was those filthy void luggers

[proper barn]

in the reapers lament and even ballas is like "hey you didn't want us to destroy tua like the origin system"

Like I don't really care what single shot or thing started the war.

it was still a war where the sentients where fighting the orokin and the orokin where WRONG. as seen in that we KILL ALL OF THEM.

[hot mural]

Another important question: Are we the only tenno alive lore wise? Cuz I see all the main story plots happening to us and no other tenno

[proper barn]

unclear.

[hollow siren]

Other Tenno exist and are awake, we're special because we were the one who made the Deal

[proper barn]

probably we are the chosen operator i don't think we are the only one.

the only operator that is.

[hot mural]

Oh

[hollow siren]

the other Tenno are all the other children from the Zariman

[hot mural]

It's just how other people treat us if we where the only tenno theyve seen

[proper barn]

I mean

[hot mural]

Yh but majority of them are dead right

[proper barn]

no?

we where all asleep.

[hot mural]

Either from Gara's type of death or Stalker

[strange plinth]

we only really know of one that died
rell

[proper barn]

no?

[hollow siren]

A big thing about the Tenno is that they're pretty much impossible to actually kill

[hot mural]

Ohhh

[hollow siren]

Those are Warframes

[proper barn]

have you

[hot mural]

RIP my man

[proper barn]

played the second dream

we need to HOLD On a second

for where this person is in the story.

[hot mural]

Actually hold on, what about Stalker is he like us or like Umbra

[proper barn]

i mean

all frames are like umbra kinda.

[hot mural]

Umbra right?

[hollow siren]

Stalker is a Warframe

[hot mural]

1st gen warframes where like umbra

[proper barn]

welllllllll

[hollow siren]

he is an Original, yeah

[twin wigeon]

actually

[proper barn]

umbra isn't a original.

umbra is actually one of the last frames made.

[twin wigeon]

umbra was probably one of the last

[proper barn]

also UMBRA DOESN'T GET OUT OF THE MOON

[hollow siren]

Original as in not a fabricated copy, but an actual person injected

[proper barn]

UNTIL AFTER THE SECOND DREAM.

he's BEEN IN HIS MOON PRISON

[twin wigeon]

given that he was turned bc ballas was tryna defect from the orokin by leaking plans to hunhow

[proper barn]

FOR 1000+ YEARS

[strange plinth]

stalker is sapient, yeah
as was jade, kullervo, dante, umbra..
i think i'm forgetting one?

[proper barn]

well more where the tenno where and that they existed.

[hot mural]

The Unum tower

[proper barn]

the unum

[strange plinth]

not a warframe

[proper barn]

isn't a warframe.

[hollow siren]

Sevagoth

[twin wigeon]

unum tower is a tower

[strange plinth]

not confirmed but definitely possible

[hot mural]

Then who was talking to us when we where inside "it"

[hollow siren]

The Unum

[hot mural]

And the Unum is?

Another god?

[hollow siren]

she's the consciousness of the Tower. Her exact nature is unknown

[hot mural]

Oh that makes sense

[twin wigeon]

mhm unum likely sensed the murmur threat and helped to propel the drifter onto the murex or smth

[hollow siren]

The Ostrons worship her, the Quills commune with her

[strange plinth]

more unum lore, DE, i beg you

[hot mural]

Another major question: Is Loid gay? (serious question)

[twin wigeon]

either it sensed the threat or noticed its kuva hivemind shutting down

bc it has temple kuva

[strange plinth]

yea, he n albrecht are in a relationship

[hot mural]

I keep forgetting Kuva is one of the core things in Warframe lore

[twin wigeon]

THE OLD BLOOD

[hollow siren]

Extremely

[hot mural]

So Albrecht did cheat on Grandma

[twin wigeon]

Grandma is not his wife

[hollow siren]

Grandmother is Father's mom, no relation to Albrecht

[hot mural]

oh

[hollow siren]

Albrecht is the dad of Mother

the identity of Mother's mom is unknown

she's never been mentioned