lore-discussion

[humble sierra]

Maybe if Adis ends up the antagonist of Tau2026 we'll get some codex/audio-log/other-loredumps on him between now and then

[dark compass]

New stream confirmed that Alad V is alive

My boy stays immortal 🍾

[ocean geyser]

How the hell did he survive but not Veso

:(

[strange plinth]

eject button or something
tbf it was fairly vague, but the full confirmation that venmo was dead compared to what they said about alad implies he is alive

[dark compass]

If only Vevo had Tenet Plinx

[brittle siren]

Is Wally controlling the Necramech in the Heart of Deimos quest?

[silk atlas]

No, it was Grandmother

[brittle siren]

Oh I see

Why does it keep appearing in the Wall of Lohk though?

[tall echo]

Void portal

[tall echo]

He wasn't on the ship

[stiff beacon]

yea dude was just on a zoom call

[tall echo]

Basically yeah

I'm starting to think almost no one here understands that leaders are rarely on the front lines

[calm folio]

From Red Baro's reverse quotes now everyone is talking about the requiem mods

But no one says a thing about the Necralisk word wall...

"Lohk. (Void). From brooding gulfs are we beheld by that which bears no name
Its heralds are the stars it fells, the sky and earth aflame
Corporeal laws are unwrit, as suns and love retreat
To cosmic madness, laws submit, though stalwart minds entreat
In luminous space, blackened stars, they gaze, accuse, deny
Roiling, moaning this realm of ours in madness, lost shall die
Carrion hordes trill their profane accord with eldritch plans
To cosmic forms from tangent planes, we end as we began"

[lean garden]

because all of that is spread across the requiem mods

[dire mountain]

Because its the same

[calm folio]

I mean, some people try to cluelessly arrange the mods (and some get it wrong) while we have this as a whole

[humble sierra]

Yeah it's just Albrecht saying the whole poem

[pine island]

question

do we know if xaku had a protoframe

also do all warframes have a proto version

[silk atlas]

The ones you see are the ones we know of

[strange plinth]

not that we know of
no. just the 10 currently in-game and the triad coming in december

[silk atlas]

So until DE decides to make more, no.

[pine island]

damn

[lean garden]

no clue

[lean garden]

no

Albrecht would have to have gotten very busy

plus like good luck trying to make a revenant proto, albrecht wasnt even around when revenant came to be

[stiff beacon]

Honestly a qorvex proto is more likely

[humble sierra]

Just in case you don't know, Protoframes aren't prototypes of the Warframes, they're actually created after the Warframes were designed. Albrecht just went back in time with Helminth serum to make the Protoframes.

[green beacon]

But brought each specific strand of each frame as far as we know, so maybe he has xaku around in his bag somewhere

Also who is the strongest frame according to lore, also gauss is the fastest (lore wise)

You cannot change my mind

[pine island]

oh so wait, so the being didnt have to exist to become a warframe

like sun wukong

the warframe was desgined after him, not him litterally

[glacial bough]

Yes, there isn't much reason to think otherwise

[pine island]

damn.... how the hell the journey to the west myth survive that long out into the future then

[green beacon]

Isn’t the current time line of wf like 12007

[hazy prism]

we have no clear years for anything beyond 1999

[green beacon]

I mean realistically speaking anything past 3000

[hazy prism]

yeah but we could also be something ridiculous like 40k

[green beacon]

Probably

[barren jasper]

warframe: 40k

[hazy prism]

G-emps messed up pretty bad this time round

it is crazy that the current factions aren't even aware of the amount of lost history and culture, or how much even the Orokin weren't aware of how much human history had been lost to them as well

[inner oxide]

what is xaku lore?

[misty salmon]

spare parts from three discarded/lost warframes got merged in Albrect's basement/the void.

[strange plinth]

three frames lost on entrati void expeditions that returned fused together
they were prolly primed by albrecht at some point after, based on entrati motifs in their prime design

[narrow pendant]

based on the aspect that they are a fusion of 3 unknown frames, coming up with a story as to how a proto xaku came to be would be tricky

same with revenant, he fused with parts of a sentient, you cant just inject an edited version of the strain and get the same results there

[strange plinth]

not really
they were primed, so that fused state has a batch to use for a proto

[strange plinth]

rev has other issues tbf, namely not existing at the time albrecht was doing time travel shenanigans

[narrow pendant]

the prime could also just be a direct upgrade of the original xaku for all we know

not a recreation but better

[narrow pendant]

so still unsure about that

[narrow pendant]

there are many different aspects to which you could call one the strongest, for example limbo could be called the strongest since he could just banish you to his parallel dimension and leave you stranded lol

[green beacon]

Honestly just dodge roll

[narrow pendant]

well limbo allows teammates to exit it but if you werent one then yeah

[restive river]

The one you play

[celest needle]

Why doesn't Parvos use specters more often
He has control of at least a part of the Corpus now that he's active
Uses specters to defend sisters of parvos during their final confrontation

What's stopping him from just assigning them to things that are worth investing specters on

They can practically replicate warframes without the need of a Tenno and while not as good as a real warframe

Come on anything like a warframe or even any replicating technology that revolutionary cannot just be used for just sisters of parvos

[lean garden]

things that are worth investing specters on
And that would be?

But also like Parvos doesnt have the means to make a spectre of a warframe, on account of not having any warframes to make spectres of

[strange turtle]

And even if they did start a project for it the Tenno’d retaliate with Operation: Copycat or something and just start slaughtering the scientists or sabotaging the facilities or whatever

[dire mountain]

Operation: Copykavat

[stiff fable]

@rotund tinsel the Sentients were originally terraforming equipment. Hunhow was a farmer because he was in charge of making things grow on Tau

[rotund tinsel]

I thought it was because he was destroying places to terraform

[stiff fable]

Well in a sense yeah, he was destroying the original Tau to build a place for the Orokin

[hollow siren]

Cultivating the land both for actual farming and for the Orokin empire's society

Like he was sowing the metaphorical "seeds" that would grow into the new Orokin frontier

[humble sierra]

It's interesting how higher level Ship Sabotage missions have the ship lockdown, but for the Grineer it's a single blast door that you have to navigate to and hack open, while the Corpus seemingly locks every single door (but any console will open everything)

[rotund tinsel]

I thought it was like a metaphor,like he was called a farmer because he terraformed planets with violence or something

[hollow siren]

yeah pretty much

[humble sierra]

Praghasa was also called a carpenter

If I remember correctly it's because she made ships (murexes)?

[hollow siren]

she built new Sentients and repaired herself using debris

so yeah her and Hunhow were making babies in a weird asexual Sentient way

He "cultivated" the crops and supplies, some of which Praghasa put in the woodworks so to speak

it's kinda unclear when the Sentient Beasts were born and what made them different from the other Sentients aside from their bodies

[sturdy warren]

I feel like the lore as a whole just needs a clean up pass. Lol. Lots of the older content doesn't quite mesh with the newer stuff. Old frame entries, primes for one off frames like limbo or titania, quest touch ups (looking at you mirage, with your orokin cypher things we don't use anymore), laverian entries for the rest of the frames, etc.

[dark compass]

Didn't they say that Leverian is over

Dante's storyline is that

[pale cedar]

Don’t think they did
He’s depressed and dealing with Parvos but that doesn’t automatically mean we will never get a new one

[dark compass]

Didn they straight up say that

[pale cedar]

Plus they could make ones set before the deal he made or at least before Parvos cared if the deal wasn’t a thing he made years ago

You’re the one saying they did
Have you got a source on the comment?

[ocean geyser]

He literally asks us to help get more stuff for the leverian

Tfym the Leverian is over

[dark compass]

I vaguely remember DE saying there won't be new Leverian stuff

But oh well, correct me if I'm wrong and throw a brick at me

My memory isn't the clearest

[opaque zenith]

🧱

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/bricks-gif-6525378798534810671

[lean garden]

I would like to qualify that theres absolutely nothing stopping primes of limbo or titania existing

they were made, the designs exist. they are right there to be made into prime designs

[ocean geyser]

“One-off frames” bro what

There are no one-off frames

Just frames

[pale cedar]

What does a one off frame even mean?

[ocean geyser]

It sounds like they’re trying to suggest the frames were a “make and forget” kind of thing

But like
Why would DE approach frame making that way??

[lean garden]

the earlier warframe quests are just of a singular warframe, which doesnt preclude the existence of more of its kind, save except for revenant

[ocean geyser]

Unless they’re saying that the frame doesn’t link up to the rest of the wider story or something

But like
1: why should they? They have their own stories
2: Titania literally does link up to the rest of the story

[dark compass]

Temple is a one off though

And Lavos we get in his current state as well

[ocean geyser]

Whuh

[dark compass]

Temple has been said to be refused mass production

Lavos literally had to prime himself, and his double snakes variant is a product of outside influence of a single person(that was not Ball Ass)

Revenant Prime has also been refused explanation

Garuda is still in a lore limbo

[ocean geyser]

Yeah Garuda felt so half assed compared to Gara

Gara gets lore on how she blew herself up and Onkko hiding her blueprint in glass
Garuda got stuck in some mushrooms

[dark compass]

Garuda was just found in Vallis underground under a mushroom patch

You'd think the VALLIS UNDERGROUND MUSHROOM PATCH update would have something to say about her

[lean garden]

thingeroni about that is that it's not what the original fella was talking about tho

but that is somewhat a stickler

frames like lavos and dagath are indeed unique circumstances

[humble sierra]

Dagath Prime lore is gonna be interesting

[lean garden]

however there remains a long enough gap from where we last see them for something to have happened to them

[dark compass]

Dagath Prime is kind of easy to explain. That's just Dagath fresh out of the beam room

[humble sierra]

Because idk it feels like her powers are almost magical and were born out of spite, never designed

[lean garden]

thats the problem tho: the dagath we know is that dagath

its not like dagath unprimed herself

[dark compass]

I mean it may just be handwaved as "restored her to former looks after all the garbage she went through"

Primes aren't exactly a deep lore subject

They may just add some glorifying description and leave it at that

They do sometimes use an opportunity if there's one to make something interesting

But otherwise I don't think it matters that much

[lean garden]

Off the top the only frames I can see requiring DE to cook up a new lore way to make primes would be:
Temple

And primes that need a lore tidbit to fit in the timeline:
Dagath
Perhaps Nokko
Dante

[dark compass]

1b years later we get Temple prime and it's just "THE FLAMES OF REBELLION!!!!"

[pale cedar]

Whenever DE don’t want to create an explanation for a frame getting Prime they don’t

[dark compass]

No explanation given

[twin wigeon]

The flames of rebellion reforged the orokin gold that melted in their wake, gilding their freedom

Also yeah Dante prime would need some explaining bc wasn’t he like lost to the murmur or drove to insanity with void tongue I don’t remember his lore ngl

[narrow pendant]

dante would be another contender for a frame that primed itself

at least i can imagine him being capeable of doing so like lavos

[north jolt]

Laser hair removal gone wrong

[narrow pendant]

sometimes i wish id get that type of lobotomy

[twin wigeon]

Idk… I mean what exactly is priming

Sometimes I wish I could inflict that kind of lobotomy

And then I remember jade exists

[narrow pendant]

normally, primes are the first iteration, but now its more of a case by case situation

[pale cedar]

Not even a normally

[narrow pendant]

lorewise its the "perfected" version of a frame that the orokin also used to flex their wealth on

[pale cedar]

They were only first in 2014

[twin wigeon]

That’s suggest that leverian frames shouldn’t have primes since their descriptions are of their base frames

[pale cedar]

Back in 2014 Orokin didn’t even make the base frames

[north jolt]

Or maybe whatshisname can only get a hold of base variants

[twin wigeon]

Drusus?

[narrow pendant]

better wording: the first version of a frame the orokin sent out tends to be its prime version

[north jolt]

Yeah

[twin wigeon]

Hopefully old peace talks about this priming

[strange turtle]

Temple wasn’t refused mass production it was refused any production. At all

Ballas got cold feet when he designed it

[hollow siren]

yeah Flare is the only Temple ever before we make potential copies in our Foundry

[twin wigeon]

Bro is scared to deal with things he can’t control. Holy red flag, this man needs murdering fr

[north jolt]

Yay time paradoxes

Also how are we gonna explain the prime?

[narrow pendant]

either DE will, or they wont

[hollow siren]

Not really. The strain was produced, just never given to someone until Albrecht brought it to 1999

[restive river]

Flare isn’t a time paradox

[twin wigeon]

They get the Garuda treatment

[hollow siren]

Strains can be made without a person being injected

[restive river]

It was designed, not produced iirc

Ballas shelved Temple’s design out of fear

[hollow siren]

well yeah I'm just meaning like Ballas created the then-unnamed Temple strain but never actually put it to use

[north jolt]

That's why I called it a paradox. Something that was "never produced" showing up out of the blue (from the Orokin's pov)

[twin wigeon]

And then alberect stole the strain or smth gave it to flare

[restive river]

Albrecht took it
Went to 1999
Gave it to Flare
We help them
They take the long way to the night of the naga drums

[north jolt]

Temple probably never would have existed without Albrecht doing time travel shenanigans

[restive river]

But it’s
Not a paradox?

[lean garden]

eh, these days its not even the case.

When you say "case by case" its more balanced in a "we really need to look at both prime and base to get any idea which came first, because most times we arent given squat"

[north jolt]

If the only reason they're able to exist is because of meddling in time travel and the past, I'm counting it as a paradox

[restive river]

Then you’d be wrong cause there is no paradox here.

[ocean geyser]

It really wouldn’t be any different to Albrecht Protoframing someone in the future really

[lean garden]

because we have cases like lavos where the base is obviously first, but then we have cases like protea where we are suggested through the prime trailer that the prime was made for the blueskin buggers and the base was made for parvos

[hollow siren]

it would be a paradox if the strain itself only existed because of time travel

[narrow pendant]

ballas created the batch without influence of entrati

[twin wigeon]

If we entrati didn’t muck with the past then he would’ve at some point later to keep causality or smth

[strange turtle]

Not really, it was dependant

Some warframes were Prime from the start. Others earned it. Ballas never told the whole truth.

[ocean geyser]

Hence “tends”

[strange turtle]

Yeah but he was needed to actually give it to someone

[hollow siren]

That's not how the quote ends, don't include a separate sentence in an unrelated quote

[north jolt]

If Albrecht hadn't travel back to 1999 and gave the strain to Flare, then Temple probably never would of existed to begin with (as a fully realized and produced Warframe. At most only existing on paper)

[ocean geyser]

As in yk
Usually
They’re not always the first, but that’s what happened moft of the time

[lean garden]

but whats the paradox here?

[strange turtle]

No, not hence tends, because there’s no indication it leads either way

[lean garden]

thats a very linear chain of causality right there

[north jolt]

I just explained it

[lean garden]

but thats not what a paradox is

[restive river]

Yeah, that’s not a paradox?
The design was made in the future it didn’t inspire itself, there’s no paradox here just a weird timeline due to time travel

[ocean geyser]

Yes but he also could have just injected some random bozo in the origin system and have the same result

[hollow siren]

oh right, forgot about that. I was just thinking of Lavos Prime's description

[north jolt]

A frame that technically was never supposed to exist coming into being because of events from the past that are a direct result of tampering with the time line. Pretty clear cut IMO

[restive river]

But they DID exist but only as the design, there’s no paradox there

[lean garden]

Thats...

I want you to tell me exactly which paradox are you thinking of

[twin wigeon]

Perhaps if entrati didn’t go back to give temple the strain, they’dve gotten infected and transform to temple at some point later and the strain just fast tracks it

[ocean geyser]

I love how Varzia being freaky was also included for whatever reason

[lean garden]

like grandfather? bootstrap?

[lean garden]

nah, thered just be no temple at the night of naga drums

[restive river]

That’s not how that works

[north jolt]

I mean I don't know how to explain it any more clearly then I already have. Frame didn't use to exist, now exists cause of time travel shenanigans

[restive river]

Flare isn’t destined to become Temple, that’s now why Albrecht gave them the batch

[twin wigeon]

She’s like the only female Dax that is alive isnt she? Leave her alone >:3

[ocean geyser]

Lmao

[lean garden]

But the problem here is that in a causal perspective, its perfectly linear

[strange turtle]

I realised I could’ve just edited out a continuation of the quote

[strange turtle]

Thats not what a paradox is

[restive river]

But it did exist, just as an idea
There is no paradox here

[twin wigeon]

[humble sierra]

Erra put pressure on the part of her brain that controls her desire

[strange turtle]

If I bring the designs for a glock back to 1854 and make it there, that’s not a paradox

[ocean geyser]

I think everyone here should describe what they think a “paradox” means

[twin wigeon]

Me when the game has spaghetti code also has spaghetti lore

[north jolt]

Or at all. Would of been another of many frames lost to time, having never been fully realized to begin with (before Albrecht shenanigans)

[pale cedar]

Nothing related to 1999 is a Paradox tbh

[ocean geyser]

Square spaghetti?

[lean garden]

like "frame dont exist, now it do" doesnt cut it, because temple in the future doesnt suddenly get whipped into existence, the temple in the future took the really long way and avoided getting spotted until the night of naga drums

[twin wigeon]

NOOOOOO IT SHOULDN’T BE A SQUAREEEEE

[humble sierra]

Cambridge:

a situation or statement that seems impossible or is difficult to understand because it contains two opposite facts or characteristics.

[restive river]

It really helps to not be spotted when you’re on a comet

[narrow pendant]

ballas didnt require flare for inspiration to create the temple strain, ballas himself was the first step in causality

[lean garden]

that only comes around like that one "fun" relative

[north jolt]

Like I said, I don't really know how to better explain it. I'd just he beating a dead horse at this point

[ocean geyser]

You should explain what you think a paradox means

[lean garden]

^

[ocean geyser]

That will probably make this easier

[narrow pendant]

if entrati didnt timetravel, the temple strain wouldve still been designed by ballas

[restive river]

What you’ve been describing is not a paradox

[humble sierra]

It'd be a Paradox if the strain was designed on Temple who suddenly appeared from a comet, then Ballas made the serum and realized it was rebellious, then Entrati stole it and gave it to Flare who then became Temple

But that's not the case

[north jolt]

Tbh Im not sure what exact paradox this would even fall under. I think of it as like a weird reverse-grandfather paradox kind of scenario

[restive river]

It also can just never be the case due to when they arrive

[woven coyote]

Like the timeline of temple has a beginning and an end that do not intersect
So it isn't a paradox

[humble sierra]

Ignore the terminology, just describe what you think a paradox is

[north jolt]

Tbh imma just dip from this convo cause I don't feel like quoting several different dictionaries. Y'all are free to disagree

[restive river]

[woven coyote]

[twin wigeon]

[restive river]

Nobody’s asking you to quote dictionaries, we’re asking for what YOU think a Paradox is

[ocean geyser]

They already left i think

That went spectacularly nowhere

[woven coyote]

Well clearly they think time travel=paradox anyway

[pale cedar]

Why does people thinking 1999 is a paradox give me a headache?

[twin wigeon]

Uh isn’t a paradox just separate results of a choice existing at the same time when they shouldn’t?

[humble sierra]

Too much facepalming is killing your braincells

[dark compass]

Paradox is when me no understand

[twin wigeon]

1999 is just time travel to meet Eleanor and her friends :3

[dark compass]

1999 is just a setup for Homestuck esque plot to defeat Wally but I can't prove it

[ocean geyser]

Sort of
In terms of Temple’s creation, it would only be a paradox of Temple showing up inspired ballas to make their batch
But that isn’t the case
Paradoxes create the question of “ooh what came first though?”
But we know what came first: Ballas making the batch

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[silk atlas]

Not really, since we know the other choices should exist due to Eternalism. It's just that the alternate choices don't matter until the Void plays a role, which is why Drifter gets slapped the "paradox" title even though it's really not that big of a seal

[restive river]

It’s not, I’ll let you know when we get to homestuck levels of paradoxes and time travel

[silk atlas]

Oh this is about Temple, yeah this is even less of an issue

[ocean geyser]

Yet a whole ass argument was spouted anyway

[dark compass]

We're clearly on the pipeline with xx99

[restive river]

Quite possibly!

[twin wigeon]

God this is exactly why no one likes TA (temporal axioms), we should’ve just learned phasics fml

[hollow siren]

so true

[silk atlas]

Temple was already designed, Ablrecht just took it back to 1999 and injected Flare with it to become the first living example of a Temple

[humble sierra]

I hate TA too (temporal archimedea)

[restive river]

We’re not close to homestuck’s levels of paradoxes though
Time travel? Sure, getting there

[silk atlas]

You can design something without making it.

[strange turtle]

A paradox is just in general when there’s two things that contradict eachother. In the case of time:

A man goes back in time and kills his grandfather as a child. But how can he go back in time to kill his grandfather when his grandfather couldn’t even conceive, and thus he shouldn’t even exist?

[woven coyote]

They seemed to think temple being in the naga drums inspired ballas to design temple, so they insist on it being a paradox

But ballas designing the strain and albrecht stealing it have to happen before naga drums because loid went to sleep with the old war still ongoing

So the design of "temple" could never be inspired by temple
So it cant be a paradox

[twin wigeon]

Will I get flamed here if I ask what homestuck is

[dark compass]

Yeah like how I designed my perfect Lavos build without ever making it

[strange turtle]

Really long old webcomic thing

[hollow siren]

Hugely influential webcomic

[dark compass]

It's a cursed extremely long webcomic that acts as a progenitor for a huge chunk of the online fandom culture

[strange turtle]

Like Nick said, very influential of a whole bunch of a generation of people on the internet

[restive river]

No
It’s a really long webcomic about kids playing a game with lots of paradoxes
It has banger music and is mostly good if you ignore the fandom

[twin wigeon]

Interesting. Will definitely read that if I can. Also thanks for the refresher on paradoxes

[strange turtle]

IT HAS MUSIC?

[dark compass]

Yeah

[restive river]

It has music!

[ocean geyser]

Grey people

[dark compass]

There are animated segments

[woven coyote]

Heard it is longer than one piece

[dark compass]

Toby Fox started his big career there

[restive river]

It’s one of the best pieces of media if you want some time paradoxes

[ocean geyser]

Wait deadass?

[twin wigeon]

Impossible

[lean garden]

huh, its the one thing under the hood I fear to look at

[restive river]

You’d like it for the time paradoxes :)

[humble sierra]

The longest piece of literature known to man is a Loud House fanfic and the reason for it is because some chapters have entire Wikipedia articles

[lean garden]

I am well versed enough in internet culture, I know how to bridge from boomer to alpha...

but homestuck? oof, thats a big one

[dark compass]

Toby also voiced one of the main characters for an animated pilot

[restive river]

Iirc that’s lost media now

[lean garden]

comparatively, how big is homestuck in terms of actual content size to the one piece manga?

[twin wigeon]

I’m Gen Z, not alpha >:3

[dark compass]

More

[lean garden]

I dont mean how big is the universe I mean literally how much content is there

[restive river]

I don’t know one piece but probably more

[dark compass]

I know one piece and it's more

[lean garden]

how much more are we talking

[dark compass]

More total word count (as a comic) than war and peace

[restive river]

The comic is 8,000+ pages
Some pages are way longer than others
Some are just images

Outside of the comic there’s an ongoing sorta canon sequel and several games that are canon for the most part

[woven coyote]

Well even the anime already has over a thousand episodes so the manga has many chapters

[dark compass]

Either way

Homestuck is not for the faint of heart. It's so much to take in you won't be able to cope and not discuss it with others

[restive river]

If one piece is still going it may be more
But Homestuck is still high up there

[humble sierra]

Homestuck apparently has 8000+ pages and approximately 72 hours to read?

[twin wigeon]

Now this is the kind of lore i like -w-

[restive river]

This is real actually

[lean garden]

one piece is very much still going

[restive river]

Yeah so that may be longer then

[lean garden]

but if homestuck is only 8000+ pages, one piece has it beat, unless like, the pages are massive

[humble sierra]

If this stat is right then One Piece clears it easy

[restive river]

Some pages are whole entire games

[lean garden]

I mean, will it make up an approximate 12000 page shortfall?

[restive river]

My guess is the comparison of the two was more true when Homestuck finished

[woven coyote]

Fair

[restive river]

Probably not no

[lean garden]

but still, Im looking on the homestuck page and the choose your own adventure medium is interesting

[dark compass]

It's not about pages, it's about the amount of text on them

[restive river]

It plays with the medium a lot

It’s a very good web comic, it has a reputation more so due to the fandom

Which for your own sanity I would not touch

[humble sierra]

If the "72 hours" stat is real, I feel like there's over 100 hours of One Piece episodes so if we're counting the anime it's probably that

[lean garden]

I mean yes, i dont disagree, I was really only comparing them page wise first in order to get a gauge on the "physical" medium I'd interact with

text is a non-issue to me

[restive river]

Again, my guess is they were more equatable when HS finished like
Almost a decade ago? I think?

[twin wigeon]

I play warframe, I’ll surely be fine

[lean garden]

anyone familiar with the Stormlight Archive?

[dark compass]

Are animated pages cheating?

[restive river]

Your brain will melt

[twin wigeon]

Elite ball knowledge

[lean garden]

yea I finished wind and truth in 4 days so

[humble sierra]

April 2016

[lean garden]

text is a non-issue RAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[restive river]

Oof yeah nearly a decade
They’ll def do something special

[twin wigeon]

Eh trumps reasonings are worse fs

[lean garden]

now, back to the complexity of homestuck... what the hell is this map page

[restive river]

If text is not an issue I highly recommend it, it has a lot of interesting concepts in it

[restive river]

Long :)

[lean garden]

Act 6 Act 5 is a fun way to let me know this aboutta get trippy

[restive river]

Act 6 gets
Messy
Not in an entirely bad way but after act 6 is more controversial within the community

[humble sierra]

There were 735 episodes of One Piece out at that time

Approximately

I think all episodes were 22 minutes? So that's about 270 hours

[restive river]

Have fun with act 6 act 6 act 6

[lean garden]

hey thats not on the map

[strange turtle]

That’s the one with the like, knight orders that use magic crystals and spirits but only 2 types each right?

[dark compass]

I love homestuck, I wish Sims was real

[restive river]

:)

[lean garden]

er, in essence yea

[twin wigeon]

Wyoming. Apparently

[dark compass]

Holy shit do they thow bathtubs

[lean garden]

although its just one "spirit" and each order gets to use two out of 10 powers

[woven coyote]

Got the first book but havemt had the time to read it yet

[restive river]

stuff gets thrown yes

[twin wigeon]

Be on that Dante type shi Bruv

[dark compass]

Oh yeah part of why I said that 1999 was a setup is because arg had a homestuck reference in it

[lean garden]

from what I can gather from this conversation, it doesnt have homestuck level of mixing here and there, BUT the deeper you go into the cosmere, the more certain things look... familiar

[dark compass]

They know what they're doing

You can't just reference something like that

[twin wigeon]

Was the arg that subway car? I don’t remember

[woven coyote]

After mistborn i have an idea of what to expect

[restive river]

Mindfang ::::)

[twin wigeon]

I always miss out on the args;-;

[lean garden]

if or when I go through homestuck do I have any "multiple" choice scenarios or is it mostly singular choice here?

[dark compass]

Singular

[lean garden]

because I tend to get lazy to have multiple options for me to go back and explore

[lean garden]

OH THANK GOD

[restive river]

Singular, at most you can choose which convo to read first

[lean garden]

era 1 only or have you read era 2?

[woven coyote]

One

Also have 2 but havent had the time either

[restive river]

Oh there’s technically secrets in some of the games but it’s mostly flavor iirc

I would def play the games and do all you can in them

[lean garden]

ok whatever you think you might expect, stormlight has more, similarish to era 2, but more for reasons that might become clearer

[woven coyote]

Studying translation eats a surprising ammount of time

[restive river]

In terms of reading the comic you have two options
Find the unofficial collection, somewhere (probably internet archive)
Or
Read with the rerelease that’s not fully out yet and wait for updates (they’re frequent but waiting sucks)

[lean garden]

Cosmere is hitting the spage age soon and I cant wait for the shoe to drop on what happened to aldonisium

[dark compass]

At the most, some pages lead you to choose which events to read as a part of multiple events happening at once. You aren't locked out of anything and just have to go through all of them

[restive river]

If you want an audio book version then the voxus dub on youtube, it’s not complete but it gets close
It does have old voice acting though

[dark compass]

Don't use audio book, there's actually so many cool things with the pages

[lean garden]

thats fine if its just like "read xyz abc" Im more concerned if its "shoot bob or shoot billy"

[restive river]

The only big missable thing I can think of is ||Kurloz giving Gamzee the piece||

[dark compass]

Oh yeah true

[lean garden]

the one piece?

[restive river]

Nothing like that

Worse

[dark compass]

The one piece is real

[restive river]

You’ll find out lol

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-gif-26230616

[woven coyote]

Hopefully we get to see the one piece

[restive river]

Wdym, thats the friends we made along the way?

And the governments we toppled to get there

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/ticket-tickets-spongebob-movie-spongebob-tickets-to-the-spongebob-movie-gif-26770214

[woven coyote]

Lol

Just getting worried about a berserk situation

[lean garden]

the way booktok girlies are going theyre going to figure out what the one piece is

because Oda said that he hid what it was somewhere earlier

[restive river]

One piece fans actually going insane lol

[lean garden]

and Im seeing booktok girlies (MAJOR ONE PIECE SPOILERS)
||Figure out something is wrong with luffy's gum gum fruit, one even managed to get "sun warrior" out of skypeia||

[woven coyote]

So basically he hid the hint in the book equivalent of the sahara

[dark compass]

It's food

[restive river]

Literal needle in a haystack

[lean garden]

like you know how early in the story this is???

Like the comment section of that lady's analysis was "Ref! She's using observation haki!"

[woven coyote]

Lol

[lean garden]

woah hey thats not fair john

why do you want to caca on the desk

[opaque zenith]

Inb4 The One Piece is literally one piece of the barrel luffy was on the first ep

[restive river]

Nah its his hat

[humble sierra]

I've only seen the live action and bits and pieces but isn't the One Piece literally just "all the treasure in One Piece"— as in, collected in a single location?

[lean garden]

No the One Piece is the treasure itself

Gol D. Roger found it, with other treasure

And he laughed

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-gif-10946625778578002520

[restive river]

Why he look like luffy

[opaque zenith]

One Piece is a Joker laugh gas can then?

[restive river]

One piece time travel paradox

[lean garden]

He's not related, BUT certain character archtypes tend to repeat themselves

[restive river]

Luffy goes back in time to find the one piece so he can hide it so he can go find it so he can

[restive river]

Oh lol

[lean garden]

theres another character that acts way too much like luffy, or rather, luffy acts alot like that character

which is why booktok girlies picking something up so damn early is a marvel

because they havent been introduced to the other fella yet

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-egghead-joyboy-moon-sun-gif-6603919460150003612

[ocean geyser]

Isn’t the fruit like
The manifestation of that guy’s powers tho

[lean garden]

shhhh

[dry cobalt]

Why is the one piece lore in the warframe lore chat?

[ocean geyser]

The war piece

[lean garden]

We are all connected by endless concentric circles

[opaque zenith]

The One Piece is Ballas coffin with his Tau drip, there's the warframe connection

[dark compass]

what if the one piece is the fruit sent back to the past by luffy travelling in time

😔

[lean garden]

DAMNIT, I JUST GOT SENT TO THE BEGINNING AFTER PLAYING THE BETA

[restive river]

The one piece is luffy

[ocean geyser]

Whuh

[lean garden]

Aaaanyways

Warframe

I wonder what lies at the bottom of the descendia

[restive river]

The one piece

[lean garden]

and given that both drifter and operator use the dark refractory

[restive river]

3 tauforged archon shards

[dark compass]

all blue

[restive river]

Why ):

[lean garden]

like are they at their normal configuration where they swap in and out with each other?

[dark compass]

orokin blue

[lean garden]

or can they both sit in the pool

[restive river]

What is even happening on Drifter’s end

[lean garden]

descendia

like actually

the dark refractory from the UI has two modes

[restive river]

Cause for Operator it seems that memories are being unlocked, seals put in place by Margulus broken
And Drifter gets a tower with some hot people?

[restive river]

No ik but what is the descendia

[lean garden]

I think its like some kinda mental hell thing

[restive river]

Yeah but how are the triad there?

Cause it sounds like they’re like
There?

[lean garden]

good question? perhap matrix style?

[restive river]

Iirc Roathe talks about how he wishes he could use it or something?

[lean garden]

well, at level 7 during the showcase marie was there so

[restive river]

Yeah so is she there physically or in a weird similar mental way as Drifter

How are resources gonna work?

[lean garden]

like I said, perhaps a matrix situation

[raw stone]

It seems the uh... pool? Is used by the triad in the efforts to their research

[restive river]

Update too far I’m goin’ crazy

[raw stone]

I hope to god that the pool is underneath the sanctum.

[dark compass]

We go deeper and deeper into the sanctum

When are we going to go under Cetus

I want Cetus Undermind

[raw stone]

Cause if its with the Cathedrale with the triad's npc spots. Terrible. I didn't want another portal I wanted open mazes and labyrinths

[restive river]

It dont work with the triad

[restive river]

It’s def in there

[raw stone]

Im punching the air rn

[restive river]

Loid can’t go top side so

[raw stone]

The cathedrale portal is in the sanctum but it's so... tacked on imo

[restive river]

My bet is one of the locked doors in the sanctum
Though I thought that for the triad and they got a time portal instead lol

[raw stone]

I KNOW

IDK HOW ROATHE GOT TO 1999 EITHER

[restive river]

He didnt

He’s in xx99

[lean garden]

Didnt they already show that?

like last devstream

[restive river]

Did they??

Ik they showed the time portal to xx99

[raw stone]

I don't think they did. Just the triad. The triad is the portal

[restive river]

Which iirc is likely 1399 or 1499

[lean garden]

oh no im stupid thats what Im thinking of

[lean garden]

but they know how to use a computer tho

[raw stone]

Tennocon only had the trailer footage for the quest with the pool*

[restive river]

Loid probably taught em
Or Roathe

[raw stone]

Guess we'll hopefully? See with December.

[restive river]

So Albrecht kept bouncing from 99 to 99
Eventually made a base or link or whatever to the Triad in xx99
Shoved Roathe there and my guess is the other two members are there to partially keep him in check?

[raw stone]

If they had to postpone something... Devil's triad seems most likely.

[restive river]

We will see in december

[dark compass]

Roathe communicating through KIM like a boomer on facebook

[restive river]

They already postponed wall running

[lean garden]

funny enough, I dont remember roathe having a kim account

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

I want to believe

[restive river]

It’s a large update but my guess is the Perita Rebellion is a bit more like our usual missions, probably with more to it ofc
With the Descendia being the temporal archimedia of the update

[restive river]

They did not show one but he is def dateable so

[raw stone]

Auuuuuuughhhhhhhh

[dark compass]

Yes

[restive river]

Gotta romance Roathe by seeing him physically

[raw stone]

There wasn't an icon when they showed it off october so maybe he wasn't implemented at the time. But Lyon and Marie were.

[restive river]

Probably yeah

[dark compass]

Or you need to work to get there

And they didn't wanna spoil

[restive river]

Or that
But they aren’t a syndicate so idk bout that

[dark compass]

Just story progression?

Either way

[dark compass]

I saw it as "we wanted to update duviri but didn't"

[twin wigeon]

They can’t

[dark compass]

Why?

[twin wigeon]

Duviri is too big of an dimension alr

[dark compass]

Makes my point stronger

[twin wigeon]

They were having issues adding more content to duviri with like islands and shi

[dark compass]

Oops, sorry

[twin wigeon]

That’s why isleweaver is just scholars landing and I think castle town

[dark compass]

I should've specified

I meant the circuit

[twin wigeon]

Hm?

You think descendia is circuit prt 2?

[dark compass]

Yeah

I think descendia is circuit part 2

[celest needle]

The Descendia is only an hour long

[dark compass]

Don't tell me it's not a repeatable thing

[celest needle]

It's a weekly

[dark compass]

Yeah see

Circuit part 2

Random missions and challenges going further

Almost like endurance, but with checkpoints and I assume with controlled level scaling

[celest needle]

It's not going to be random this time around

[dark compass]

Oh

That sucks, but I'll give them benefit of the doubt

[twin wigeon]

Just trust that reb and the team are cooking

Pablo is always cooking

[dark compass]

True

[twin wigeon]

Chalmers and the whole sfx team are cooking with hellfire and brimstone

And have been since idk

[celest needle]

And the rock music

[twin wigeon]

I can never describe warframe to others

That’s why this game is so hidden and underground

It’s hard to describe to others

[celest needle]

Ninjas with guns

[twin wigeon]

Except we’re loud and there’s like 1 ninja in the whole roster

[dark compass]

3

[twin wigeon]

3? Ash is one

[dark compass]

Excalibur is clearly a ninja

[patent cargo]

loki could be considered a ninja

[dark compass]

And Loki

[twin wigeon]

Excal is a moody knight type

Evident by Arthur

[dark compass]

Excal has a katana

He is the poster boy for a game that says "ninjas play for free"

He is a ninja

[twin wigeon]

Excal has a sword not a katana, there is a difference I think

[dark compass]

Nikana whatever

[twin wigeon]

That’s umbra

Umbra has the nikana

Hm

[dark compass]

I'm pretty sure there's no moveset difference

And they're visually very similar

[twin wigeon]

Loremasters, helppppp

Or is it archivists?

Nerds?

[dark compass]

Aesthetically, by all intents and purposes

Excalibur is a ninja

I'm sorry

That's how it is, you can't change it

[twin wigeon]

Mmmmmmmm Excal is a knight by myth so idk

[restive river]

The tagline is “ninjas in space”
Excal’s a ninja

[dark compass]

And Vauban is french by name

[restive river]

Like just cause he doesn’t automatically use a katana doesn’t mean he’s not a ninja :p

[twin wigeon]

Gauss is uhhhhhhhhh idk

[dark compass]

And he uses one

[dark compass]

Gauss is just "speed"

[restive river]

He can use one

[dark compass]

There's no deep meaning

[twin wigeon]

I meant his name I forget where gauss is from

[dark compass]

A scientist

[north jolt]

TBF Ash is more ninja like in his actual abilities. Also probably the only proper "ninja" frame even among the OG cast

[twin wigeon]

That’s what I think, the other ninja candidates are unstealthy in comparison

[stray flare]

Hey, how many stars does Tau system has?

[dark compass]

Ash is a ninja, Excalibur is a samurai, and devs are weebs

[restive river]

Two
It’s a fictional system it seems

[wind shell]

A Gauss is the mesure of the strenght of a magnetic field

[twin wigeon]

Two body problem

[restive river]

The problem is humans

[north jolt]

I mean if the deadly disco dancer, wizard librarian, punchy rock boy and necromancer want to identify as ninjas who am I to argue

[stray flare]

Erm... Or maybe not so fictional? I mean, Alpha centuari, closest system have two main stars and a orbiting red dwarf... Is it possible Pregasa... Ate Proxima centauri?

[restive river]

Iirc there’s no system that matches Tau in name and features

[twin wigeon]

I miss praghasa

[restive river]

I miss my grandma I never met

(Praghasa)

[twin wigeon]

What.

[restive river]

We never met Praghasa

[opaque zenith]

"Excalibur and Excalibur Prime has improved mastery in the Tenno art of the blade, receiving +10% Attack Speed and +10% damage bonuses for melee attacks while wielding the following weapons:
Swords, Dual swords, Nikanas, Rapiers." The passive.
Technicaly has no signature weapon tho

[twin wigeon]

Wasn’t the sol relay on praghasa or was it just a random murex

[dark compass]

Excalibur has a literal exalted weapon

[restive river]

Random murex

[opaque zenith]

Too long...
TLDR: Passive Bonus for Swords, Dual swords, Nikanas and Rapiers.

[twin wigeon]

Oh so it was just a fat murex that was obscuring the sun

[dark compass]

While you were farming corrupted mods I was studying the blade

While you were flipping rivens I was studying the blade

While you were grinding the incarnons I was studying the blade

[restive river]

?
For the tennocon relay?

[stray flare]

Again, it is just speculation that I never considered discussing, as Tau being closest star system with known planet reminds me of Alpha Centauri system( we know they have planets and are closest stars to us, being around 4 light years away)... So yea, it possible that in terraforming work, Preghasa ate Proxima Centauri ._.

[strange turtle]

Not even needle, it’s a single straw of it coloured slightly differently

[north jolt]

So a general swordsman. Maybe samurai if you want to use his deluxe skin as a argument

[restive river]

Why’d she eat it tho
Hunhow and co took the solar rail

[twin wigeon]

Ok fine I concede, Excal is likely a ninja

[restive river]

Again, by the tagline we’re all space ninjas

[north jolt]

Everyone is a ninja cause our best form of stealth is killing everyone who says we aren't stealthy

[lean garden]

timelines a lil crossed there ducky, theyre talking about while terraforming Tau

[restive river]

Oh
But why’d she eat it during

[twin wigeon]

Destiny is paywalled zombies with guns that disappear

[stray flare]

To build the relay? I mean, Preghasa is as old as hunhow so I recon she was used to manufacture the solar rail relay.

[dark compass]

I win

[north jolt]

I never played Destiny. Wanted to try it but the monetization practices turned me away from it

[restive river]

Idk why they’d need to do that for the relay tho
Those rely on void energy, not a star

[twin wigeon]

You likely lack koumei so you didn’t truly win

[dark compass]

I played her till level cap on the circuit. Does it count?

[twin wigeon]

No

[dark compass]

:(

I have her neuroptics

[north jolt]

I say it counts 2x

[stray flare]

Again, it is just speculation that Tau system is evolved Alpha Centauri system. It could be fun theory, and most characteristics besides the third smaller sun orbiting two main ones fit

[twin wigeon]

Wait would koumei’s decrees stack on top of circuit decrees or are they 2 separate decrees?

[north jolt]

RNG frame acquired through eng and made stronger by rng

[dark compass]

Fake Koumei fan

[twin wigeon]

Nooooooooo

[dark compass]

In the circuit her decrees give you duviri decrees of choice

[opaque zenith]

You can stealth kill with Qorvex, anyone can get the ninja title in the future

[north jolt]

I think they are separate? Like duplicate decrees don't stack afaik

[twin wigeon]

I haven’t been blessed enough to get koumei in circuit plus I hardly ever do my circuit

[dark compass]

In the circuit if you fulfill the koumei's decree you just get a pop-up as if you got the end of mission or all fragments, but only for you

[twin wigeon]

Ik that

But like her decrees do they count as the total decrees given by circuit or can they stack so you can have duplicate decrees given by koumei and circuit

[dark compass]

I'm just not sure how can you possibly get both

[twin wigeon]

Oh well, Gb fellow nerds :3

[dark compass]

Bye

[strange turtle]

I think it’d make sense for it to be both be able to use with with one sitting there

Because it’s like, mental/consciousness stuff so they wouldn’t need to be physically taking up the same “slot”

[strange turtle]

Lmao, only unlock KIM romance stuff with Chemistry 5, have to court him first

[lean garden]

Makes sense, but like mom said it was my turn in the memory pool

[strange turtle]

Not heavy 😔

[opaque zenith]

Not a single greatsword W here

[strange turtle]

I’d say he’s more general-purpose, the typical sci-fi supersoldier archetype that’s multi-role, able go stealthy or be a shock trooper or fight a prolonged engagement etc

[dark compass]

They should make an exalted greatsword frame based on Nuts from Berk

[strange turtle]

Just that stealth and the idea of being space ninjas was more emphasised back when he was first introduced

Well, “introduced”

[celest needle]

Based on what

[strange turtle]

||((Guts from Berserk)||

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-guts-berserk-griffith-punching-guts-punching-griffith-gif-27000236

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-american-psycho-im-coming-tnd-gif-20424928

[north jolt]

I don't know if this typo is intentional or not but if it isn't definitely don't change it :p also this reminds me I'm still salty about Kullervo not getting an actual signature weapon. Just a great sword skin that looks more like a gladius then an actual great sword

Missed opportunity on multiple fronts tbh

[dark compass]

I think its fair

by design kullervo turns even a plastic spoon into a damage cap nuclear bomb

having a signature weapon that is a supplement to his playstyle instead of a BIS greatsword would ruin the idea imo

[north jolt]

I just wish it was it's own signature weapon as opposed to a great sword skin that's not even great sword sized

[dark compass]

maybe theyll make Vaenn Prime when his prime comes out

to pair with Rauta

[north jolt]

But I would guess if a frame with a exalted great sword ever gets made it might be around or after they look at melee stances in general

[dark compass]

that would be melee rework number uhh

5?

[north jolt]

One billion and one

[limber oracle]

Quick question because I just got confused on Reddit (I know, my mistake to begin with) but are the ostron just humans that stayed on earth and did not go on to become orokin or are they completely different OR are orokin not human at all?

[silk atlas]

Everyone is a human. Orokin, Solaris, Cetus, Corpus, everyone

[woven coyote]

We have the origin story on the ostrons iirc
Was it the thousand year fish fragments?

[restive river]

Orokin are a class, not a race or the next step in human evolution
The Ostrons are just human people

[twin wigeon]

Grineer are uhhhhhhhh malformed clones of humans due to clone rot

[dark compass]

Orokin are just humans. The Orokin elites are inhuman looking because they simply altered themselves to look more unique with genetic engineering

So yeah ostron were just under their rule

[dark compass]

Like a printer copying the same image over and over

[twin wigeon]

More like ai basing its slop on the slop of another ai

[dark compass]

Oh right

Notable ones were used to create a clone strain

[twin wigeon]

Seeing as how they’re heavily armored and masked they must look ugly

[dark compass]

So it kept chaining and rotting

Clone of a clone of a clone of a clone

There's kahl-001 somewhere

(probably long dead)

[twin wigeon]

Veko-A wyaaaaaaaa

Let a dreamer dream the second dream man

Don’t gotta do allat 🙁

[twin wigeon]

Is baro returning on Friday to say “sorry for tweaking out famalam, here’s some drip”?

[restive river]

He’s returning cause he needed time to repair his ship

[twin wigeon]

Oh yeah

[celest needle]

Wally does it again

[twin wigeon]

Wally wanted to celebrate walloween with us

And needed a costume

Silly Wally

[restive river]

Maybe, maybe not

E Kiteer def knows of Wally but whether or not he is him is up in the air afaik

[twin wigeon]

Baro actually made a deal with Wally iirc

To merge him and his wares across dimensions (platforms/consoles)

[strange turtle]

Yes

Not his wares, that was the out-of-universe one, but he wanted Baro to be singular

[twin wigeon]

Baro was just casually pillaging and then some godly thing that looked like him pulled up and wanted to shake hands

[misty salmon]

Honestly odd Baro feels more like a Baro that managed to somehow avoid that deal, at least temporarily, and now Wally is hunting him.

[twin wigeon]

Uhhhhhhhh no

[celest needle]

casually makes a deal with the most powerful entity known to the origin system for cross save

[twin wigeon]

Common Baro W

[strange turtle]

There Can Be Only One
Are you familiar with the philosophy of Eternalism? The notion that all possible permutations of the present moment are real?

I never had much time for it. The distasteful notion that there could be multiple Baro Ki'Teers! Can you imagine? Yours is truly one of a kind.

As it happens, during my last foray into the Void, a dashing stranger presented me with the opportunity to refine all my selves into a single perfect individual. Of course, I shook hands on the deal immediately.

Now every Tenno will visit the same Baro Ki'Teer, with the same items, at the same time.

As this singularity comes into focus, you will notice my offerings remain the same for my next three visits. A minor inconvenience.

I am certain there will be no future unforeseen consequences from this momentous deal.

Singularly yours,
Baro Ki'Teer

[twin wigeon]

Of course he says it was a dashing stranger, bc it was likely Wally wearing his face or wtvr

Silly Walter

[celest needle]

Things wally has made deals with

The chosen operator

Albrecht Entrati (maybe)

Friday prime mods every 2 weeks Baro Ki’teer

[misty salmon]

Rusalka

[celest needle]

I forgot she existed

[twin wigeon]

Uh I don’t think entrati made a deal with Wally

[restive river]

Idk bout him hunting him or being an alt baro that escaped (since that’d go against the deal) but it could be an Operator/Drifter situation instead
Either way E Kiteer knows of Wally and what he truly is/can do

[restive river]

He didnt make a deal with Wally

[celest needle]

At least he is interested in him (wanting to ruin his life)

[twin wigeon]

It was more of a transaction, entrati takes his finger and in return Wally torments him

[restive river]

I’d be interested in the guy who’s emotions got imprinted onto me and also accidentally cut off my finger(s) then let said finger(s) be utilized by some golden shmucks
Oh and also he’s the main guy doing things to try nd stop him so

[twin wigeon]

How can you forget the second sexiest character in 1999 smh

[old dome]

an accidental transaction (albrecht was running away from it & told mother to shut the void portal as soon as wally got its finger near it)

[restive river]

He didnt take it purposefully so no, it was not a transaction

[celest needle]

She appears for like an hour to thirty minutes in the main quest and leaves

[restive river]

Isleweaver:

[twin wigeon]

Yeah I know about the Wally x albrecht lore :3

Silly Walter shenanigans

[old dome]

i read thwt as "sexist" & i was like

[twin wigeon]

We almost shot “her” so her existence isn’t that minor

[restive river]

She was literally how Wally got in to 1999

[twin wigeon]

Wally wanted to experience the party of his lifetime

[restive river]

Similar to Mathila with Isleweaver but in that instance it was more so using her as must a door
Wally’s doing more with Neci

Like hollowing her, mostly, out

[twin wigeon]

Noooooooooo give rusulka backkkkkk

[restive river]

Which it does seem Neci’s emotions are influencing him somewhat, I wanna say she/he is attacking Duviri because Drifter took 1999
Neci cares about 1999, not so much Wally who just wants Albrecht

[restive river]

She would kill us tbh

She sees the frames as just more techrot

[twin wigeon]

Ok yeah but we’re like semi immortal so like

[celest needle]

Does this involve the arg?

[strange turtle]

$6 Cetusfested Special

[restive river]

Yes? we know she let him in as of Isleweaver

[celest needle]

500 Ducat primed point blank special

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-nod-nod-in-thought-nodding-nodding-head-gif-25354811

Ah
Was wondering the canonity of the arg

[twin wigeon]

Hopefully if Wally let’s go of rusulka we get to heal her :3

[restive river]

Its canon

[twin wigeon]

Still dunno how I missed the arg

[restive river]

Can’t really heal what’s not there
We know she’s somewhat in there but she was mostly hollowed out

I do think we could see her as a tentative ally this arc but iirc she’d rather be with Wally

[twin wigeon]

-_-

[restive river]

It’s difficult cause we have to figure out what’s her and what’s what when talking to her parents

[twin wigeon]

Oh yeah why would our amp deal damage to Wally exactly?

[restive river]

It’s not impossibility she may be a temporary ally but I presently doubt we can save her

[restive river]

What?

[twin wigeon]

In the cutscene where we’re about to shoot Wally/rusulka in the 1999 quest

[celest needle]

Wouldn't that just kill Rusalka

[restive river]

Cause we’d be shooting Neci, Wally’s just in her

[twin wigeon]

Oh

[restive river]

She’s still human lol

[twin wigeon]

Oh no ;-;

Glad we didn’t tho :3

[restive river]

Idek why we didn’t really

Ig mostly cause Albrecht told us to

[celest needle]

You know I really don't know why they didn't let us kill Rusalka other then morals cause like

Scaldra kind of sucks

[twin wigeon]

Bc albrecht

[restive river]

It does not even make sense from a moral perspective
We just killed so many people getting to her lmao

[nocturne barn]

hi guys i'm new here

[pale cedar]

How would the amp work when the 1mil damage RPG didn't

[restive river]

Are you caught up in terms of story?

[twin wigeon]

Odd name for a person “new here”

[celest needle]

“I’m not going to kill this innocent human Albecht, especially since you totally didn't tell me what to do for whispers in the wall and it worked out fine”

[nocturne barn]

Yeah kinda.. trying to understand every lore

[restive river]

Yeah it was def the weakest part of the quest

[nocturne barn]

first time to be in a discord

[restive river]

Ah, goodluck :)
some advice
Don’t watch loretuber videos
Always check sources for the wiki
The Orokin Archives and Kimulacrum are great sources (OA sources everything and KIM is straight from the game)

[twin wigeon]

Eh they’ll be fine, they can rub some dirt on it and walk it off

[nocturne barn]

Thank u!! Have a nice day yall

[twin wigeon]

Honk!

[restive river]

You too!

[celest needle]

It would be fine if it showed us something to suggest that it'd be a bad idea

Not
“Lalallaa Im not listening to you”

[twin wigeon]

I mean I wouldn’t either but out of pure spite

[dark compass]

What will happen if I eat the argon crystal and the decay time is reached

[celest needle]

You're going to die

[dark compass]

Finally

[twin wigeon]

It’d make you gassy

[strange turtle]

Multiple quests were tied in to Operations (events), so as you go through things I’d recommend checking the wiki page (gg not fandom) to find out which so you can check the transcripts on OA

[twin wigeon]

Bc your organs “argone”

[celest needle]

Would a recap be fine?

I personally used a backstory recap for a general background to the game

[strange turtle]

Like a video?

[twin wigeon]

I just read the albrecht entries on his Pom 3

[patent cargo]

not to be "that guy" but it's called a pom-2...

[twin wigeon]

Shit

Could’ve sworn it was 3 mb fams

Oh wait I got mixed up with bird 3 somehow

[pale cedar]

Sorry, I called the Techrot so POM-2 was never made with a 3

[celest needle]

Yeah

[celest needle]

Like this

https://youtu.be/UwRuLTp3EN4?si=yqD_QrIib9ei8u6T

[strange turtle]

Really depends on the cc, like Ducky said, they’re often not reliable

[twin wigeon]

Warframe is indeed weird

[pale cedar]

Haven't even watched it but I sense it is unreliable

https://youtu.be/5ekJpbdRz4Y

This was made by the community with the help of the community

[stiff beacon]

i still think they were smoking some dank kucsh when writing some of the story

[dark compass]

Alad V my undying king

[strange turtle]

Visionary nestawood, and clearly they were onto something

[leaden thicket]

wait did tenshin died?

[dark compass]

yeah his head got cracked

[leaden thicket]

😔

[strange plinth]

he kinda just disappears off-screen. who knows
-# there is an answer, its just elsewhere

[tall echo]

Purghaps

[twin wigeon]

he died. he lived. According to Eternalism, yesn't

[restive river]

No

[dark compass]

I thought he died :(

[restive river]

Nope

[dark compass]

We now only have his shitty hologram

[strange plinth]

so we've given every possible answer
yes, maybe x2, yesn't, no

[strange plinth]

he did to the origin system, tbf. disappeared.
but he ends up in duviri

[restive river]

Erra cracks his helmet, he falls into the void portal, falls into Duviri and is nursed back to health
He doesn’t die

He’s at most injured

[strange turtle]

They way they’re asking I think they might be fresh from Nw

[restive river]

Maybe

People tend to think he’s dead even if they play Duviri though

[twin wigeon]

i don't remember seeing his body float into the portal but coould just be me

[strange plinth]

especially if they play duviri before
because it kinda points out the narmer flag and veil, but you don't know what those are if you haven't played it

[restive river]

We don’t see it but we know he’s our Teshin

No eternalism here

[twin wigeon]

darn

[strange plinth]

disappears off-screen, assumed he also falls into the portal, as he lands in duviri

[twin wigeon]

according to eternalism i was right. i was wrong

[restive river]

Nah

[twin wigeon]

😭

[restive river]

If you think the answer is eternalism it probably isn’t tbh

It was introduced to explain Drifter and maybe Rev Prime

[twin wigeon]

according to eternalism the answer is and isn't eternalism

[strange plinth]

remember, theoretically accessible
if you can't access it, that possibility doesn't matter

[restive river]

That’s kinda why it’s never the answer lol

[restive river]

It’s theoretically accessible but noone accessed it

Except Wally

Multiple times

[strange turtle]

@crude fiber

[strange plinth]

i love this image. one of the 'will read like heiroglyphs to anyone who doesn't know'

[celest needle]

How many things just fall into Duviri?
What makes a thing fall into it or just drift into the void

[restive river]

Lmao

[twin wigeon]

its not mine, someone "gave" it to me :3

[strange turtle]

It just happens sometimes

[restive river]

Lotus hand
Teshin
Kullervo
Presumably Albrecht

[strange plinth]

albrecht, kullervo, teshin, lotus's hand
though, notably, not the rest of lotus

[celest needle]

Why didn't Xaku fall in

[restive river]

It’s kinda the only place to fall into in the void so it makes sense things can end up there

[restive river]

Clearly not everything falls in
Why aren’t the towers there?

[strange turtle]

I mean
Pieces could have

[tall echo]

Maybe they did

[twin wigeon]

why would xaku fall in?

[celest needle]

Because those are stationary and were already there (?)

[strange turtle]

I like to imagine that a tower did fall in

Unfortunately, it fell right in front of Thrax, who got so scared he slapped it into and out of the Undercroft

[strange plinth]

its like. survivorship bias.
we know about so many things hitting duviri because they're still observable

[strange turtle]

They’re old war sanctuaries, they weren’t already there

[restive river]

Why didn’t Lua then?
Or Deimos?

Some things fall there some things don’t
The void is big

Duviri may be they only defined place but there’s still a lot of nothing

[celest needle]

Darn it

I don't know

[dark compass]

I straight up forgot about Teshin in duviri I'm so sorry

[restive river]

Cause not everything ends up there

[twin wigeon]

lua was cloaked with void energy or smth

[restive river]

How he’s Drifter’s sorta dad 😭

[strange turtle]

Also a bunch of other stuff could have fallen into Duviri, but got dealt with by Thrax like I joked about earlier, or it was on of the many islands that are gone

[dark compass]

I don't know

[strange turtle]

No it was straight up in the void

[twin wigeon]

oh damn

[dark compass]

I just spend 5 billion years in the circuit and to me he becomes formless voice saying "hold fast"

[twin wigeon]

hold fast? HOLDFASTS? THE ZARIMAN

[dark compass]

He says it with void flood missions yes

I get it

https://tenor.com/view/cats-toby-the-cat-nod-yes-yes-yes-hooman-gif-17105827

[restive river]

Does he know?

[twin wigeon]

all roads lead to zariman

[celest needle]

So it's a dice roll

[twin wigeon]

koumei referenced?

[dark compass]

He talks about the void angels and "their leader"

So he definitely knows

[crude fiber]

:O

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/koumei-gambling-awdangit-koumei-gambling-mrwarframeguy-gif-14566313064866036936

[restive river]

I’m still wondering how he knows about their leader

[dark compass]

"worse even than Thrax" mf the bar is pretty low

[celest needle]

Why are void angels trying to free wally

[dark compass]

[restive river]

is that what they’re doing?

[dark compass]

Apparently, because Teshin in the circuit can't shut up about it

[strange turtle]

I think they mean the like, Whispers Operation stuff

[celest needle]

I mean

That's what I interpret it as

Their master is wally and they're scratching the membrane of the Zariman to free him from the void through the Zariman

[restive river]

I thought they were trying to allow him access to Duviri
Did they mention the albrecht membrane?

[dark compass]

Isleweaver was the path to duviri. I always thought that was the endgame of that particular case

[celest needle]

Oh right I forgot that

But they do mention the membrane (Iirc)

[strange turtle]

It was just in general. Like Duviri, the Origin System

Uh

Wendy’s

[celest needle]

Fortuna fast food?

[restive river]

I don’t think you can get through the albrecht membrane from the undercroft?

[dark compass]

"the secrets lie deep within the undercroft"

"Sir this is wendy's"

[strange turtle]

That’s why we had to put the Gargoyles up in our Dojos

[restive river]

The Zariman is IN Duviri so you’d need to get from the void, through the undercroft, through Duviri and then through the Zariman
Then you’re through to the Origin System

[tall echo]

The membrane is just the barrier between void and realspace so it should be accessible from everywhere

[dark compass]

So now he is closing up

[restive river]

The Zariman is the weakest spot though, if they’re so close to it from the undercroft why not just get in through there?

[twin wigeon]

its just really hard to puncture the membrane, the membrane is weakest in the rift the zariman is plugging up and the undercroft

[tall echo]

Is it though?

[restive river]

Yes??? It’s plugging a void hole-

[tall echo]

We're going through it whenever we void jump

[celest needle]

Really stupid question, but why are void enemies in the undercroft? Is there a neural sentry there?

[tall echo]

They just leak everywhere

[strange turtle]

Gross

[tall echo]

Yep I realized

Not wrong tho

[dark compass]

Ew

[restive river]

Rigby no ):

[tall echo]

It's a wonder there's none in 1999 considering how much void travel is going on there

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/rigbycat-rigby-cat-tongue-gif-18357263336141773644

[celest needle]

Probably because it's not directly in the void

[dark compass]

Acolytes, but no fissures

[twin wigeon]

kaya is trying her best 😠

[dark compass]

😔

[celest needle]

Acolytes break all conventional lore

[tall echo]

Fissures

[celest needle]

Kaya

[dark compass]

I hope we will see acolytes in sp old peace content

It would be very funny

[twin wigeon]

Acolytes just wanna throw hands for no reason

[tall echo]

I like the idea that when someone opens even the tiniest rift in the membrane a corrupted enemy just shows up

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-ben-stiller-meme-gif-27253399

[twin wigeon]

xaku?

[celest needle]

I think they were originally supposed to be apart of the stalkers lore but were forgotten

And now they just

Exist

[tall echo]

They are

[twin wigeon]

they are

[tall echo]

But it was an operation

[restive river]

That is just their power yeah lmao

[celest needle]

Very
Very cryptic operation

[tall echo]

Just the usual then

[celest needle]

Like

“Why are you fighting me if you want to kill Alad V who has been doing god knows what somewhere else??”

[strange turtle]

Because he called in a favour for us to protect him

[tall echo]

We protecc him

[strange turtle]

It’s a follow up to his helping us in TSD

[twin wigeon]

for some reasonnnnn we protect him

[strange turtle]

“Shadow Debt” (Shadow Stalker + our Debt to him for his help)

[celest needle]

I mean
Not anymore seeing how he's been both infected twice and presumed dead after the sentient invasion

[strange plinth]

they died during that operation and are now just gameplay, i believe, especially with their presence in the labs and 1999
idk why they haven't been replaced or elaborated on, though

[dark compass]

My king stays winning

[strange turtle]

Yeah, because it was a one time thing to return a favour

[dark compass]

Yeah something like an elite scaldra/techrot unit would've been cool

[strange plinth]

the infested bit happened before TSD, technically
and we recently have vague confirmation that he's.. alive.. after new war.

[twin wigeon]

yeah i want viktor to pull up

[dark compass]

Alad V is immortal

[celest needle]

Well we still aren't protecting him

[tall echo]

Presumed by no one except players who don't understand basic military logic

[celest needle]

And I'm not sure if they have a Tenno or not

[twin wigeon]

alad was no where near the sentient invasion?

[tall echo]

YES

THANK YOU

[dark compass]

They should've made Narmer Alad V and continued to use him to hop between factions

[strange plinth]

the transmissions imply he's on that ship w/ venmo
but i do also understand that alad is not putting himself on the front lines if he has a choice not to

[twin wigeon]

venmo 😭

you mean veko?

[strange turtle]

We already got Narmer Alad V

Before Narmer but still

[restive river]

Watch him be a major player in the Tau arc

[strange turtle]

No dude it’s Vito

[tall echo]

A commander is never on the frontlines

[restive river]

Vebo?

[tall echo]

Vevo?

[dark compass]

No I mean like a boss with the veil

[twin wigeon]

danny devito?

[strange turtle]

Ah

[restive river]

Velcro?

[strange turtle]

Downed in one hit

[tall echo]

Teaso?

[dark compass]

They should've just reused Alad V in every piece of new faction content as a character that keeps switching sides

[tall echo]

Nai

[dark compass]

Scaldrad V

[strange plinth]

alad v the powerscaler

[tall echo]

Viktor

[restive river]

He sides with Wally and is instantly killed off
He returns in the next arc, somehow

[strange turtle]

There is his great great grandad. Not as a Scaldra guy but still

[restive river]

Somehow… Salad returned…

[tall echo]

He yoinks vor's key

[dark compass]

Next he will join Murmur

[twin wigeon]

btw do we know what all that sandy stone is in the sanctum?

[restive river]

Instantly rowed to shreds

[strange turtle]

“Gregory V” (wink wink nudge nudge), manager of On-lyne and the guy who made the agreement to get them Coda clones

[tall echo]

Wally void

[restive river]

Wally’s domain sneakin in

[dark compass]

Wally void flesh

[twin wigeon]

like whats it made of

[restive river]

Wally

[dark compass]

Wally

[normal mountain]

As much sense as this makes
My childhood experience with Transformers leads me to expect otherwise