lore-discussion

[dry cobalt]

Hell, the only reason the newwar quest went beyond us being stabbed is cause wally had us make a deal. Which I can only assume involved giving him more power.... in exchange for collapsing the timelines to let us fight on two fronts

Okay. I'm still operating on sacrifice/new war knowledge. So perhaps I'm missing some pieces

[humble sierra]

Yeah, 1999 shows how much he takes things personally, he's got some lines about that

[dry cobalt]

I did whispers. But that in and of itself doesn't explain his hatred for things

[humble sierra]

And Isleweaver has him do something out of revenge

[dry cobalt]

From pount of view he's just a malevolent child playing with whatever and whoever he feels like.

[humble sierra]

Some of the 1999 chats also have some interesting discussions about him too

[dry cobalt]

Like how he tormented rell for thousands of years.

Then again... he falls to us after we free rell from Harrow... so maybe Wally did take that one personally

[dry cobalt]

Interesting things to learn honestly

Ig I'd be pretty pissed too if someone used my severed appendages to speed up an empire

[old dome]

silly stupid question but how tall are the protos??

without the heels they all seemingly wear.

[lean garden]

As tall as their warframe counterparts

[old dome]

so all of them are 6ft??

except kaya

...ok well. time to headcanon some stuff then. thanks!

[stiff beacon]

5'7'' - 5'10'' maybe?

dunno we dont exactly have height measurements for the base frames either

[green beacon]

Do we have a rough estimate on how many proto frames there will be?

[humble sierra]

It seems DE is going with around 3 every 6 months

They're very resource heavy

[green beacon]

Fair

[humble sierra]

But that might be a reasonable amount of time

Actually no even then it's too much

Now that they're moving away from 1999 it'll probably be more like 3 a year

Since they do sell well

[green beacon]

Will we return to 99 for more lore after old peace

[humble sierra]

No plans have been said

Lore-wise there could be 50+ Protoframes running around Hollvania, but no confirmation on anything

[green beacon]

Bro I want a Yareli proto so bad, hands down definitely my top 5 frame

[stiff fable]

There's a discussion with Arthur that there could be way more than that even, which is basically DE acknowledging the door is wide open

....and they probably will add void fissures eventually, so.

[humble sierra]

Yeah there could theoretically be multiple Excalibur ProtoFrames running around

[humble sierra]

When they showed off Operation Orias (the TTRPG module they made in collaboration with Paizo's Starfinder), Taylor and Megan played as ProtoYareli and ProtoValkyr

[strange plinth]

though they were confirmed as non-canon at several points
but the designs are popular, i believe, so i wouldn't be surprised if if/when those two get protos, they're inspired by those designs

[stiff fable]

they also specifically said the characters weren't Warframe canon, which I thought was funny

beaten like I beat my lich when he stole a shard last time

[celest needle]

Albrecht carrying a mysterious large sack of Helminth vials

[stiff fable]

my inner english teacher drives me to correct the malaproper

*vials

[celest needle]

Minor spelling mistake

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-excalbur-umbra-the-sacrifice-light-explode-gif-14588819

[celest needle]

I think there shouldn't be that many unless they have a good story reason to be there

[humble sierra]

Absolutely and DE agrees

[celest needle]

since if we just bloat the roster with Protos then the logic is going get REALLY stretched

[stiff fable]

The "reason" is that Albrecht was trying to create a weapon to use against Wally

The weapon is the Drifter

The protos are the tools Albrecht's using to prepare you for it

[celest needle]

I think like, 13 are enough dawg

how many samples can you sneak behind Ballas's back

[stiff fable]

I mean, the other thing is that the protoframe skins sell VERY well

[celest needle]

But they are expensive

and they can't just dump a proto onto a skin and do nothing else with it

[humble sierra]

Yeah I don't think they'll be churning 13 a year anymore

I think even the Devil's Triad were only made because of how successful responses to the Hex were and Rebecca collecting her obssessions

[celest needle]

still sad we never got proto rhino and loki

[humble sierra]

We could

[stiff fable]

I mean, Emet-Selch

[humble sierra]

fixed

[stiff fable]

[humble sierra]

My crackpot theory is that the next batch of Protos will be in the same time period as the Triad and be made up of knights. A second Round Table

[stiff fable]

so, Oberon, Gara, Kullervo and a new one?

[humble sierra]

I was thinking Rhino, Loki, Vauban, Protea, Gara

[celest needle]

Gara is dying of having glass in her lungs

[stiff fable]

Oberon was specifically a paladin frame is the thing

[celest needle]

Oberon and Vauban can be paladin frames

Rhino can be Reinhart a good tank

[green beacon]

What would Yareli be?

[humble sierra]

Yareli would probably be one of the 1999 ones

[stiff fable]

probably

[green beacon]

Probably, like a 90s skater esk style kinda like the fan art

[celest needle]

Hmmmm

So Ordis does know of 1999?

[stiff fable]

Or, they go all in on the native american magical girl theme

Yeah totally

He's around for all the mission planning

[green beacon]

What would a stynax proto look like?

[celest needle]

Buff greek soldier

[green beacon]

Probably

[stiff fable]

too obvious imo

[green beacon]

Sevagoth, thee most jojo looking clothe option known to man

[stiff fable]

I'd honestly make Styanax an athlete of some kind. Not an Olympian, but someone who was big on team sports

[green beacon]

Maybe a javelin thrower?

[stiff fable]

Right, that's the obvious one

[celest needle]

Qorvex protoframe

[stiff fable]

Qorvex could go super hard

:V

[green beacon]

Chernobyl

[celest needle]

The urge to get Qorvex but not having the patience to grind Cavia

[green beacon]

Ah, so the credit card speaks to thow

All honesty thee most predictable proto is Yareli hands down

[stiff fable]

good point

[green beacon]

I’d love to see Grendel hide his Warframe body under baggy clothes if he gets a proto

[celest needle]

Give Proto Equinox split personalities

[green beacon]

God, a frame with did is a terrible but cool idea

[stiff fable]

ahem

The "super messed up proto club"
Equinox, Caliban, Dagath, Citrine, Xaku

[green beacon]

Nidus

[stiff fable]

Jade

[green beacon]

Kullevro

[stiff fable]

Man, I cringed when I realized what a Jade proto would be

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-stare-dog-stare-funny-funny-dog-gif-13366118618356954760

[swift sentinel]

Xaku would probably just have a normal body under the outer armour, maybe with a withered limb

[green beacon]

Go my baby, shoot the hyper sonic laser

[celest needle]

Garuda proto

[stiff fable]

But with no lore or interactions

[woven coyote]

Lol

[swift sentinel]

Pacifist Garuda proto having to deal with blood powers

That's interesting

[woven coyote]

Garuda is all business, no time for lore

[stiff fable]

if there's a pacifist it'd be Baruuk

Since that's his deal

[celest needle]

OOOOOO

[green beacon]

Gauss as a proto would definitely be Amir’s bff

[strange plinth]

would be an interesting concept, yea

[swift sentinel]

Just using the base frame characterisation for the proto is cheating and boring

[stiff fable]

Oh, one more for the knight squad, Zephyr. She's supposed to be a bird dragoon

[woven coyote]

I'd imagine garuda as maybe a first responder or emt

[strange plinth]

or rival

[celest needle]

You know

I wonder what the expansion update for the old peace is going to be

[green beacon]

I’d say either void or lua

[stiff fable]

Probably extra nodes within the rebellion

[green beacon]

Maybe the tau system?

[swift sentinel]

Either that or more Decendia level types

[stiff fable]

No, Tau is a separate update

[woven coyote]

Endlesscendia

[stiff fable]

The interesting thing is that Old Peace isn't coming with a Warframe

[celest needle]

Isn't the new frame Uriel?

[stiff fable]

The Devil's Triad has Uriel

[woven coyote]

Did you forget uriel?

Both are the same update

[celest needle]

The triad is coming with the old peace though

[stiff fable]

No, DE separates Devil's Triad from Old Peace

[woven coyote]

...

[stiff fable]

Had a separate banner and everything

I know it's coming the same day

[strange plinth]

side story, but its definitely the same update

[celest needle]

My guy

[strange plinth]

i forget uriel is there

and a whole damn ropalolyst back there

[woven coyote]

Also they fit both things in the same plot device with the dark refractory

[green beacon]

When ever I hear Dagath, I immediately think of “Dagath ‘Ur”

[celest needle]

"You can't kill a go-"

Run over by 5 horses

[stiff fable]

pft. Wrong spelling.

[humble sierra]

Dagath Uriel

[stiff fable]

Dagoth Ur was underutilized even in the game where you merk him

[green beacon]

Eh, as long as the reference clicks in, I’m alright in the end

https://tenor.com/view/dagoth-ur-morrowind-the-elder-scrolls-the-sharmat-voryn-dagoth-gif-11289462802414771995

[stiff fable]

man I miss Morrowind

Oblivion and Skyrim were such steps down

[celest needle]

the new war had

• Veilbreaker
• Angels of the Zariman
  Duviri had
• The Seven Crimes of Kullervo
• Abyss of Dagath
  Whisper had
• Dante Unbound
• Jade Shadows
• Koumei & The Five Fates

And 1999 had Techrot Encore and Isleweaver

[stiff fable]

Most of those were mainline updates

[green beacon]

Oh yeah I finally got Kahl’s camp finished, after putting it off for so long I got it done

[stiff fable]

Veilbreaker, Angels and Dagath, Jade Shadows, Koumei

[celest needle]

I know but they were attached to an update prior or didn't bring anything that substantial besides small additions for a new frame

[stiff fable]

New War did have the Echoes of War update

[green beacon]

Oh yeah why did the narmer attack the home system again?

[stiff fable]

Narmer is Ballas's recreation of the Orokin Empire

[celest needle]

with 60% more sentients

[stiff fable]

but skipping the whole "pretend to be a ruler who cares" and just using mind control helmets

and that

[strange plinth]

ballas wanted his empire back or something
ironic, considering he killed it
now its just kinda. existing with pazuul at the head

[normal mountain]

Same reason they always do
To try to take over the world

[celest needle]

crack theory, is Narmer just a dark reflection of the Old Peace as a peace deal between the sentients and the orokin?

[woven coyote]

It would be funny to see narmer try to follow pazuuls orders without the veils

[green beacon]

What part does excal prime take place in old peace, as of now?

[woven coyote]

Huh?

[green beacon]

Auto correct

[strange plinth]

some random grineer after being told to dig up yet another batch of cryotic:

[normal mountain]

...the old part?

[stiff fable]

we have no idea what the Old Peace timeline is

But given everything we know about Warframe in general, it's the end of it, when the Old War restarts

[green beacon]

So for all we know albrecht could do some crackhead thing again and bring us to the past once more

[stiff fable]

oh, definitely not

[strange plinth]

yeah. most likely
all we have is old war part 1 > old peace > old war part 2
i'd guess our actions throughout the quest cause the war to restart in one way or another, though i have no proof of it

[stiff fable]

We're going to the Old Peace in our own memories

That's why you're in the pool with the Lotus

She's using Sentient Mimic powers to forcibly bring out buried memories

[green beacon]

Literally all I know is, Excalibur prime fights weird sentient esk thing in a lua esk arena

[stiff fable]

It's you and your best friend playing tag

[normal mountain]

I'd argue you don't need proof for a guess
I mean, it wouldn't be guessing if you had proof

[stiff fable]

Except they're in a Sentient Evangelion, and you're using Excalibur Prime

[green beacon]

The only time non true vets get to use him

[stiff fable]

That probably is what this is

A way to get everyone the affinity for him

[normal mountain]

In that case, remind me to stay in Old Peace until he ranks up to 30

[green beacon]

So basically just a fancy Excalibur

[stiff fable]

That's all primes tbh

[strange plinth]

that's all he is anyway, just limited to founders

[stiff fable]

A Warframe is already a fine-tuned murder machine

[green beacon]

Stay in old peace until he hits rank 30

[stiff fable]

Primes just have leather seats

[green beacon]

Basic brokey compared to high baller Gucci wearer

[strange plinth]

allowing non-founders to use excal prime in the old peace is incredibly funny
a ton of us owned him and then lost him at some point

[stiff fable]

It's still a lambo

[green beacon]

Wait, what frames would you like to see get an heirloom

[stiff fable]

Gara

And Chroma

[green beacon]

Fish queen Yareli and sev

[normal mountain]

We're already getting Vauban
That's more or less my entire wishlist

Except maybe Revenant, but I'm still undecided

[green beacon]

His asset, unlimited flashbangs

[celest needle]

Face mask vs complete drip

[green beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/giorno-giorno-giovanna-ger-gold-experience-requiem-gif-26522855

Literally just sev

Alrighty, changed my profile, I’ve achieved greatness

[south sun]

Then there's this...
https://wiki.warframe.com/w/File:FrostHeirloom.png

[strange turtle]

Garuda Proto mentioned once and occasionally saw in the distance of the skybox

They had a full model, skin and voice acting for her but unfortunately they forgot about it while focusing on the other protos

[south sun]

Source?

[strange plinth]

just like her lore,,,

[south sun]

Sounds a lot like reddit speculation run rampant, tbh

[strange turtle]

No its

Its a joke

Because when they promised Garuda lore last time they just forgot

[strange plinth]

"that's a steve promise"
can't believe they murdered garuda lore live on the devshort /s

[stiff fable]

I can't believe Garuda lore jokes came back after... what, six years?

[celest needle]

Garuda lore is actually very simple

She flipping died in the orb vallis

[lyric raptor]

this does indeed make good sense

[brittle siren]

also does anyone translated his reverse sentence yet?

nvm I found it

[ocean geyser]

They better allow Liger to design this guy too

[ocean geyser]

Like 40 times plus a video of it reversed so yeah

[dire current]

Still will forever annoy me that the Frost Heirloom and Mag Heirlooms are likely never going to be available again...

[ocean geyser]

Realistically they’re probably going to make new ones

[dire current]

I'll believe it when I see it

[radiant oak]

So, I just got the message from Baro. Who the hell were we trading with these past few weeks? I’m assuming it’s some Eternalism stuff and he’s from an alternate timeline, but I desperately want to know what happened to that Baro that made him to basically become a pariah.

[pale cedar]

Wally

[old dome]

rap. tap. tap.

the smirking glyph we get really just spells it out i think

idt ive ever seen baro smirk like that.

[pale cedar]

It can’t be another version of Baro as Wally merged all versions into 1

[radiant oak]

I was assuming something with the Indifference. But I would love to know the details. Like I know for the Drifter we kinda gather that in their timeline they were left out of the deal made by the Zariman kids and left to fend for themselves alone in the void.

[ocean geyser]

Or killed all the other versions and left the one that shook alone

[pale cedar]

Which is the Baro we know

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[pale cedar]

Ki’teer Baro was doing things Baro can’t do

Voidtounge

And Creepy items Baro definitely wouldn’t go anywhere near

Even the portrait scared him

[ocean geyser]

Is everyone with the Eskhatos items just gonna get haunted or something

[pale cedar]

Probably

Just not yet

[radiant oak]

Hey, I put most of those items on my Revenant. Can’t haunt something that is already haunted.

[ocean geyser]

The only annoying bit about the set is it’s only shiny and metallic in its original colours

Everything else just makes it look like plastic

[pale cedar]

Haunted x2

[humble sierra]

I still think it's Baro's version of the Drifter

but I doubt we'll ever get confirmation and I doubt there'll ever be actual consequences to this, especially if it's a yearly tradition going forward

[radiant oak]

I know I translated the two backwards lines I got from him, which reads as follows:

Carrion hordes trill their profane accord with eldritch plans. To cosmic forms from tangent planes, we end as we began.

From brooding gulfs are we beheld by that which bares no name. Its heralds are the stars it fells, the sky and earth aflame.

[humble sierra]

Yep they're parts of the Requiem Poems

[radiant oak]

I forgot those were a thing tbh.

[dark compass]

Carrion horses trill their propane or something

[humble sierra]

Noticeably, half the poem is missing

[dark compass]

He would never say that

[radiant oak]

Also, perhaps when Wally merged all forms of Baro Ki’teer, Eskhatos Ki’teer was somehow able to avoid it. But it seems he was not entirely unaffected. Perhaps some 40k Drukhari kinda deal where he serves Wally directly in a bid to save himself from nonexistence.

[humble sierra]

Maybe Wally was only able to merge those who had made the deal, and this one Baro was an outlier

[ocean geyser]

Hank Hill horse

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cotton-hill-hank-hill-riding-riding-on-back-ride-gif-6197835718530126021

[ocean geyser]

Heheh

[green beacon]

What is thee absolute minimum to be considered a Warframe

And or Tenno

[dark compass]

Probably a Helminth strain infection

[strange turtle]

There is no minimum because there aren’t degrees to it

[dark compass]

Yeah that's pretty much it

You just need to get infested with a strain, the rest is already done

[green beacon]

So does each person vary in how much of the helminth they need injected to become a proto?

[strange turtle]

A warframe is someone who was been transformed by the helminth strain. Protoframes are a like, subcategory of it being stopped before a full transformation, and any other variations would be similar

The Tenno are just the children from the Zariman who Wally gave a piece of himself as part of the Deal + The Drifter, who is just an alternate of one anyway

[strange turtle]

We don’t know details beyond the basics: that the protoframe transformation is halted before it can be completed

Presumably a bigger person might need a little more injection but it’s also Infestation so that logic could just not apply

[green beacon]

So wait again on the conscientious of a Warframe, are there some frames (excluding umbra) that can move and act without a transferred operator or drifter?

[strange turtle]

Yes

[green beacon]

Isn’t Yareli one of them?

[strange turtle]

Probably not

So others shall wear you now, fatuous nymph. Little ocean flower. Little... Yareli."

[rose estuary]

I thought it was just slowed not stopped entirely?

[strange turtle]

They still had some conscious frames by the time the Tenno came around like Jade and Sorren/Stalker, but if they’re making her specifically to be “worn” then she’d probably just get the same treatment as the rest

[strange turtle]

The transformation from the injection was halted

The Helminth is still there, obv, and it hasn’t stopped

[green beacon]

Due to albrecht needing them further more iirc?

After drifter returns

[strange turtle]

Well not necessarily specifically halted, just not done to completion

[strange turtle]

We don’t properly understand the full situation of why he wanted them (thought to not just be to have Frames around but Drifter isn’t sure of why else), but yeah

[pale cedar]

They were given a modified version of the strain that is slower

[green beacon]

That’s why some random part are still human, right?

Like the hands or legs

[pale cedar]

Yeah

The loop prevents full framing too

[green beacon]

Does albrecht choose which humans become certain frames or is that at random?

[strange turtle]

He chooses

[green beacon]

So he could have an unnamed amount of helminth with him

Possibly one of every frame

[strange turtle]

Yes

[opaque zenith]

There were a LOT of failed atemps tho (as said in the hex comic)

[green beacon]

Wasn’t voruna leaked to be the next one?

Or am I just tripping

[strange turtle]

Don’t trust leaks

Well, for stuff like this

DE changes a lot and the information from them isn’t necessarily reliable

Like the Proto-Saryn Rusalka leak

[rose estuary]

Oh ok

[green beacon]

So wait Incarnon is like just the weapon filled with void energy or some?, also what mr do I have to be to use incarnon

[ocean geyser]

I still don’t understand leaking stuff that comes out relatively soon
Like that mf that brought up the datamined Baro inbox message (the message itself literally showed up a day later)

[ocean geyser]

It just sorta has void nonsense grafted to it

I don’t believe there’s an MR requirement though

[green beacon]

Isn’t only available via sp?

[ocean geyser]

Steel path isn’t mastery locked though

[green beacon]

I know, but aren’t incarnons only obtained via sp

[pale cedar]

Yes

Or the shop

Can buy them too now

[green beacon]

Shop?, you mean market

If so, that’s dumb

[ocean geyser]

Naw like an npc shop

Acrithis? Or someone else

Forgor

[hollow siren]

Cavalero

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[ocean geyser]

Yeah that guy

[hollow siren]

he sells the Adapters from the previous week

[tall echo]

Leaks are wrong. Always

[hollow siren]

Incarnon Adapters are from SP Circuit (and Cavalero as mentioned above). None of the Incarnon weapons need SP to get

[tall echo]

Whatever MR the weapon requires

[pale cedar]

There’s also some weapons in this game that come pre installed with Incarnon thing

[tall echo]

The cooler incarnons

[hollow siren]

yeah, the "actual" Incarnon Weapons so to speak

[pale cedar]

The Originals

[tall echo]

Well like 4 incarnons came later

[hollow siren]

3 have released since the initial five

Onos, Ruvox and Thalys

[tall echo]

Innodem and felarx came after the other zariman incarnons

[strange turtle]

Yeah. Cavalero conceptually embodied fancy mod/attachment things that use void energy to enhance weapons

[restive river]

I think they just use void energy cause they’re conceptually embodied?

Cav was just thinking and then boom they became real

[pale cedar]

Void stole his idea

[ocean geyser]

“Man I wish I had ways to make these weapons even better”
The Humble Void:

[restive river]

Idk if he thought up “and they eat souls to occur :)” lol

[ocean geyser]

void tweaked the design a lil

[restive river]

He could have tbh but idk if he did

[strange turtle]

No the descriptions keep mentioning void energy and stuff that just CE on its own wouldn’t do

[tall echo]

We need more incarnons that switch weapon types

[restive river]

?
CE is void

Why
Why wouldn’t it do that on it’s own what

[pale cedar]

CE is Void + Emotion

[restive river]

The Zariman weapons are all celebratory, hunting weapons or farm tools
Nothing voidy about them

The Ruvox and Onos are just from the labs tho so idk bout them

[ocean geyser]

Warframe CE is very strange because it doesn’t perfectly align with the literal definition of Conceptual Embodiment

[ocean geyser]

Didn’t they literally get voidy to become killy

[tall echo]

The what now

[hollow siren]

Their descriptions explain it.

Void turned the ceremonial weapons into actual weapons based on the ideals/dreams associated with them.

Onos and Ruvox are Albrecht's experiments

[restive river]

Yeah but thats CE, they’re like that cause they’re spawned from the void

[restive river]

Yeah
It’s
It’s conceptual embodiment

[tall echo]

Augmented by it

[restive river]

Ye

[hollow siren]

They existed before-hand, just weren't usable weapons. Aeolak and Hespar are the only ones that just fully formed from the Void

[ocean geyser]

Like the exact irl definition
“Ooh hey this thing is this specific thing in a different form” and whatever
Like how gods in mythos would be the embodiment of an element or weather or something

Idk bruh

[hollow siren]

I never said it wasn't?

[pale cedar]

Should I start using CE to get an Incarnon for any weapon I want?

[restive river]

No I know
The augmentations are conceptual embodiment, void energy

[ocean geyser]

To be fair an Aeolak is just a void touched Gotva

[hollow siren]

No, it's the memory of a Gotva given form by the Void

[restive river]

I think there’s just a miscommunication occurring lol

[ocean geyser]

Interesting

[hollow siren]

the Thrax weapons just formed from nothing with the Thrax

[restive river]

Same with the Hespar though I don’t believe we have the non-CE form of it

[strange turtle]

There would be no such celebration, but the Void imbued the Laetum with a much more explosive capacity.

The Void amplifies that ideal. Void energy strengthens Innodem gliding aerial attacks and the wielder is increasingly resilient as the perform finisher attacks in Incarnon Form.

Now twisted from this purpose, it plants Void shards in enemy flesh instead. Each new shard planted causes existing shards to inflict damage on their hosts.

[tall echo]

Likely thalys

[hollow siren]

We do not, no. Thalys is similarly-shaped, but considering Aeolak is from an actual weapon Grineer used, one can assume the scythe Hespar is reminiscent of was also an actual weaponize scythe

[strange turtle]

To me these imply that aside from just CEing them into being more functional they do also use make use of Void

[restive river]

Dude
They have that due to conceptual embodiment 😭

[hollow siren]

Those are all direct examples of CE, yeah

Void and emotions/memories coming together to create/change something

[dark compass]

Im 70% sure we will get it in Old Peace

[hollow siren]

I hope so, the Prime Grineer there are rightly using Gotva Prime

[restive river]

Keep editing it so the number gets lower

[dark compass]

Yeah, exactly

[dark compass]

I'll change it tomorrow to how I feel like

[restive river]

Lol

[ocean geyser]

I know that mods are created by Samodeus but this conversation does make me think of the theory that they’re made via CE

[dark compass]

Rivens are

Mods are an orokin thing

[restive river]

No, its all mods

[pale cedar]

I am 60% sure Ballas is gonna be the reason the treaty fails

[dark compass]

Oh?

TIL

[restive river]

Samodeus is an Orokin thing

[ocean geyser]

I don’t think he’d appreciate being called that

[pale cedar]

Cephalons were made by an Orokin

[dark compass]

YOU are an orokin thing

Right

[restive river]

The real question is how the Scaldra have mods
Which
Probably Albrecht, he did work with them

[dark compass]

How could I forget that

[hollow siren]

Cephalon Samodeus is the Cephalon we see when handling Rivens, and the "narrator" of their descriptions

[ocean geyser]

New insult just dropped

[restive river]

“You Orokin thing”

[dark compass]

Oh right now I know who to insult over the Lingering Transmutation description

[hollow siren]

To be perfectly honest I am okay with that just being for gameplay purposes

[ocean geyser]

We’ve finally found the counter to Void Lugger

[dark compass]

The perverse, vile alteration of "you shiny thing" said by son 😔

[restive river]

Same, but the easy out is Albrecht if we need an explanation lol

[pale cedar]

Wally called me a Dung Worm so I called him an Orokin thing

[dark compass]

Some of his things sure are owned by orokin now

[restive river]

Ima say that to Daklo if he calls my boy Adis that one more time

[ocean geyser]

Although “Void Lugger” is odd because
Sentients can’t lug void bro

[hollow siren]

That line has spawned many a scenario in the minds of Tenno

[restive river]

Oh he’d get real mad at that lol

[ocean geyser]

Oh no

[dark compass]

"where's my finger kiddo"

[ocean geyser]

You could maybe call him an Entrati thing

[restive river]

Bro looks like a concrete slab

[dark compass]

Orokin is more insulting considering how far his fingers took them

[tall echo]

I can go beat him up? :)

[restive river]

Man in the wall?
Nah he the guy in the brick

[restive river]

Ye

[tall echo]

:D

[ocean geyser]

I want more cephalon sentinels ngl

[pale cedar]

Man in the Wall?
Do you mean Orokin thing?

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cephalon-nezha-warframe-gif-6209332844182307600

[restive river]

Suda Proxy body so she can visit Yonta when?

[ocean geyser]

👀

[restive river]

Man so much in this game can just be summed up as “Orokin thing” lmao

[hollow siren]

True, so far we only really have two (if you count the Simaris Helios skin)

[ocean geyser]

A simaris or cy drone would be funny too

[restive river]

Ahem.
Otak.

[pale cedar]

When the Zariman isn’t a hostile zone

[hollow siren]

Yeah true

[ocean geyser]

Small guy that yells “HUNTERR” at you

[restive river]

Why would that matter? She can’t be hurt in a proxy body lol

[hollow siren]

That's not really a dedicated Otak Sentinel tho, since he had to be shoved into the Necraloid

[dark compass]

Pretty sure it takes nothing to upload Cephalon to a small body

[restive river]

Ordis got his blasted and he’s fine

[dark compass]

Otak, Ordis

[pale cedar]

Ordis would beg to differ

[restive river]

True but I didnt wanna just say Necraloid since he’s
Weird

[dark compass]

We will be holding Suda so nothing happens

[hollow siren]

yeah he's not really a Cephalon

[restive river]

Maybe cephalon
Def a construct
Maybe born from cloning or scanning or something?
He’s not a normal cephalon by any means

[dark compass]

Isn't Otak a normal Cephalon

[restive river]

We know Loid’s skull was replicated

[hollow siren]

Yes

[restive river]

Ye he is normal :)

[dark compass]

So still counts

[restive river]

Idk if I’d count the Helios one since we never see Simaris using it afaik

[pale cedar]

Loid didn’t let Dante study Loid

[restive river]

Which hey if he is ever relevant again and they dont wanna design a proxy for him then there ya go

[hollow siren]

If anything he's kinda like a reverse Cephalon. Artificial "copy" of a human, instead of a human being used as a replacement for something artificial

[restive river]

Tbh, kinda rude smh

[restive river]

Yeah I can kinda see that
No matter what he’s weird

[hollow siren]

We rescue some during The New Strange, so it seems they're his scanners out in the world

[restive river]

Since Wally likes unique things lets give him Necraloid (after we remove Otak)

[hollow siren]

but yeah we never really see Simaris himself directly control one, hence my parenthesis

[restive river]

So they’re either fully automatic or he can maybe slip into one

I would kill for a cephalon quest tbh, get all the cephalon characters together again
Give em proxy bodies

[hollow siren]

There's so many niche Cephalons

[ocean geyser]

I think he was an Archimedian once
Man these Archimedians really went “hey i’m gonna download my brain into a glass box to keep all my knowledge.”

Although Suda had fair reasons

[pale cedar]

Wally likes unique things?
Didn’t he just have fun breaking the unique child?

[restive river]

Reminds me of the idea of a hacker frame from the community vote years ago
A cephalon quest about a frame relating to them/hacking would fit well!

[hollow siren]

He was, yes. Archimedean Otak was the first to discover the way to utilize the unique properties of Argon

[restive river]

Conclave:

[restive river]

And now Kaya has studied and explained it further to us :D

[hollow siren]

Hard to say how many of them were voluntary about it

[ocean geyser]

Fair enough

[restive river]

0% of the Zariman ones

Actually do we know any other volunteers beyond Suda and I wanna say Otak?

[dark compass]

You can glass someone's brain and alter it unrecognizably

We have a proof cracking argon jokes right here

[restive river]

See: Ordis.

[hollow siren]

Not that I can remember, no

[ocean geyser]

Nihil also glassed himself cause he was a coward

[restive river]

I feel like Simaris volunteered
No evidence to back it up but he seems the type, assuming he wasn’t heavily altered like others

[hollow siren]

poor Jordas possibly went through two layers of mind-altering

[restive river]

Jordas just reminds me of the techrot literally eating code in the 1999 ARG

[hollow siren]

It's even possible he made himself one. If anyone would have the resources/connections and lack of common sense to automate his post-glass extraction it'd be him

[ocean geyser]

Assuming Suda didn’t misremember, Irmis could have been his old name

Which means he decided to give himself like
3 extra letters

[dark compass]

I feel like severe altering is reserved for those of utilitarian purpose rather than any form of recreational/research activity. If you're a teacher or a butler you're getting your head scrambled to be more complacent, but if you're after a more free form goal you might have a lot less alterations done

[hollow siren]

yeah Ordis is definitely an extreme example and an exception

[restive river]

He would have had to been made one during the Orokin Era since that tech was explicitly lost
So he likely had to go through some Orokin channel, either by volunteering or punishment

[dark compass]

The real question is whether Cephalon Sark was turned annoying or always been one

[hollow siren]

Maybe he was the exact opposite in life, and was lobotomized as punishment

[ocean geyser]

The Conclave cephalons seem a little off the rocker too

[restive river]

I wanna say those who were altered typically have visible damage in their geometric form too?
Ordis for example
But it may just represent general damage and decay (like Nihil’s being smashed up cause we smashed him up)

[hollow siren]

Well Ordis has a history of what is effectively the Cephalon-equivalent of self-harm

[dark compass]

Cy was definitely always off the rocker even before becoming a cephalon

[restive river]

I hope we get more cephalons soon (not Daklo he’s racist ):< )

[dark compass]

My railjack king

[ocean geyser]

My friend simps for Cy tbh

[restive river]

Yeah so that may explain his cracks
So it could just he a sign of damage rather than editing of one’s personality/mind

[dark compass]

I can understand that

[restive river]

Again, see Nihil

[dark compass]

His attitude and voice are quite something

[restive river]

I don’t think this is canon but I like to think it is for sure
But Nihil always saying the same few lines is something in universe, we beat him so hard (see his geometric embodiment of him) that he’s literally stuck

[hollow siren]

Cy gives me Barbossa vibes in how nonchalantly insane yet poised of a sailor he is

[restive river]

I’d be okay with us needing the railjack to go to Tau if for no other reason than more Cy content

Speaking of
His interactions with the finger are weird lol

[hollow siren]

taking the Railjack through the repaired Tau Rail

[hollow siren]

Makes me wonder what the Relic looks like from the Weave

with how much Cy struggles to explain even its viscinity

[ocean geyser]

“Imagine a colour that does not exist. That is where you are.”

[restive river]

Like a paradox in every way

Like something you can’t see but know it’s there
A nothing that’s taking up space

Cy’s interactions with the finger is why I think Lotus wasn’t entirely lying when she said she saw nothing in the new war

Mechanical eyes see the truth

[hollow siren]

She definitely saw something different than us, but that could be both "less" or "more"

[restive river]

With how paradoxical Cy describes the finger alone why not both?

Mechanical eyes recognizing that something is there but. It’s also nothing, nothing is there but taking up the space, the shape of something
It doesn’t make sense but there it is

Meanwhile for us meatbrains we see it differently

Less factual

[hollow siren]

Cephalons seem to greatly struggle with "seeing" pure Void things yeah. If that applies to Sentients too would be hard to answer, since the Sentients are so unlike any other lifeform

[woven coyote]

Reminds me of albrechts descriptions of how they originally detected the void as nothing

[restive river]

I mean
They’re not lifeforms by the traditional sense, they’re really advanced robots

[restive river]

Yeah that too!

[woven coyote]

And now they use bio grown eyes and ears to keep track of the void

[restive river]

Anything mechanical, artificial, not biological has a difficult time actually seeing anything with the void, aside from us ofc since we are still human

[hollow siren]

True! (and we're not bringing back the Sentient Physiology Debate this chat had a few days ago)

[bright temple]

wait is that why his lab has giant eyeballs??

[hollow siren]

Possibly, yeah

[bright temple]

🤯

[hollow siren]

the Auricle is a giant ear

[bright temple]

holy shit that makes so much sense

[hollow siren]

As Loid says, they're literally the Sanctum's "eyes and ears"

[woven coyote]

Fairly sure that is explicitly stated during a mission

Think it might be assassination, maybe during the gargoyle's cry event? Can't remember too well

[hollow siren]

Gathering the Void-based "eyes" so they can see where The Fragmented will take shape

[woven coyote]

Activation procedure being literally putting eyedrops on giant eyes is funny to me

[hollow siren]

Makes them open up, I guess

[restive river]

So we clean the ears at all?

[woven coyote]

Lol

That would be just horrible

[bright temple]

wait until they add the giant noses

[dark compass]

Waiting for a Cephalon to romance in KIM

[hidden glade]

Archimedean Itzam next, only for a Sentient would I be straight

[twin wigeon]

pause?

[strange turtle]

What 30 seconds of footage does to a

Individual

[celest needle]

No pause

[strange turtle]

Fast forward

[visual crag]

Just finished the Duviri Protocol quest and honestly enjoyed it, although it was weird having a second tutorial after already playing the game for 15-20 hours. Just to understand, is the idea that the drifter is the same person as the tenno we play as in the normal sections of the game or is it some weird multiverse stuff?

[deep magnet]

have you finished the new war?

[visual crag]

no, haven't gotten there at all yet

Duviri was the only one unlocked of the main quests so I just did it

[deep magnet]

new war also explores this idea

and the reason why duviri also has a tutorial is because the experimented with it being an alternative starting point of the game

[celest needle]

what quest are you on

[strange turtle]

Yeah it has kinda bad placement as a holdover from when it was used as an alternate start

[deep magnet]

i still think they should make it locked behind the new war for story reason and you will see why

[celest needle]

I barely understand any of the concepts being given to me 🗣️

[visual crag]

I'd done everything up to Archwing by the time it unlocked

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-anime-gif-22734101

[visual crag]

Like heart of deimos, etc

[celest needle]

Play Natah now

[visual crag]

on a wiki it says thats arc one so thats what I've done

[deep magnet]

when it was added after the new war and that's how i experienced it

and it makes more sense that way

[visual crag]

definitely glad that didn't happen, would've been even more confusing honestly

[deep magnet]

agree

[celest needle]

I suggest ignoring everything Duviri until you get up to the sacrifice at least, shouldn't take that long but it will get you back on track with the story

and also since you don't need duviri for a lot of things besides the circuit which is ignorable

[deep magnet]

it sucks that the duviri is very good quest to do early for gameplay reasons but for story reasons it should be done only after the new war :/

[strange turtle]

Basically, a flashback in New War explores the idea of “Eternalism”.

Imagine you’re walking on a path and it splits into two. You make the choice to go down the left path. You could have went down the right one.

Both of these happened. You went down the left and the right path, because whenever there’s multiple possibilities they all occur, being theoretically accessible timelines.

We are from the “main” one. The Drifter is another possibility from one of these timelines.

[celest needle]

I'm just realizing the Zariman doesn't get a name drop until the second dream 😭

[pale cedar]

It was named before that actually

[deep magnet]

did you know why are we called tenno? bc of zariman 10-0 ten-zero ten-0

[strange turtle]

There’s a bit more to it but those won’t be important until later, and hopefully you’ll remember enough to realise on your own

[pale cedar]

It was named in a codex

[celest needle]

Nobody looks at the codex

[pale cedar]

Not that codex

[visual crag]

oh wait, was that why there was a shorter human character in that section where it did a weird mirror effect puzzle? Because it was meant to be played after those other quests?

Where you had to make the mirror self touch the purple areas

[deep magnet]

pretty much yea

[pale cedar]

Zariman has had a name since Ember Prime came out

[celest needle]

Hmmmm
but I contest that is really really specific

[topaz axle]

The community as a whole generally recommends not doing Duviri until AFTER New War. It makes more sense that way.

[visual crag]

Good to know, not much I can do now since that's just the order it unlocked for me

[dark compass]

General rule of thumb is release order. And release order is New War -> Veilbreaker -> Zariman -> Duviri

[topaz axle]

https://www.warframe.com/guides/quests

[dark compass]

This doesn't have side quests with pretty big story bits, but lines up yeah

[strange turtle]

Hold up I made a rec list a while back

[tall echo]

You don't have to do quests asap

[celest needle]

Do them as they come up

unlike main quests you are never locked into them

and they are way way shorter

[dark compass]

I would still consider Angels of Zariman very much important tbh

[strange turtle]

@visual crag something you’ll want to keep in mind is there’s a bunch of operations and stuff that went along with some quests and without them you’ll miss a bit of context for some things.

Particularly the Patient Zero quest, which released concurrently with an Operation in a like, dual-content thing

So I’d recommend checking the wiki page for each main quest just to make sure you know about them and can read up on them

Well, read or check up on a recording, but reading is quicker and easier and its not like you miss too much

[silk atlas]

Most of them can be summed up in a sentence or two anyway and the early half of them are just "yeah new unit here to mess with you now"

[celest needle]

I wish they'd just made the operations into quests

or at least an inbox message

Trying to understand how the muck alad v got cured of the infestation after you last see him being almost fully taken over and just be fine on jupiter is something

and also why he's working with the sentients

[silk atlas]

That's the thing: Even in the Operation, he just... got better after it was done.

Just that the order of the content is all fuzzed up

[silk atlas]

This is explained in the Disruption gamemode that got added after the event was introduced, as how a few other lore gets added in after the Operations cease

Ones like The Pacifism Defect don't really matter because it was was just them giving you the gamemode you'd play after the event verbatim with one or two emails thrown in.

[celest needle]

guh?

[silk atlas]

Operation: Hostile Mergers was just doing Disruption a bunch on Jupiter. That was all it was. There was no extra lore from that Operation that you wouldn't have gotten from just doing the gamemode.

The comms in that mission elaborate a bit more on them working together

Like how Eight Claw was just doing Triumph of Dust or Orphix Venom with RJ Orphix.

Thought to OV's credit it had a lot more spice to it Wait no I'm thinking of Scarlet Spear

[celest needle]

I think they could rework the progression before the new war

since after the new war you start to get into the level 70-100 type missions

[tall echo]

Huh

[celest needle]

After the new war you are hit with a ton of level 70-100 type missions that require a way better understanding of the game then a person who blitzes through the main quest line since there isn't any requirement other then just doing the quest and ends up having a enemy level 60 player getting hit with level 100 archon hunts and level 70 narmer bounties

[tall echo]

Ah, optional content

[celest needle]

Archon Shards are very tasty

[tall echo]

And easier to get elsewhere

[proper barn]

i mean i think a MR10 could do this content

just some things are locked by MR for no reason

like why are the coda weapons MR17?

i don't think any weapon or action other than like the MR30 stuff should be locked behind anything higher than 10 MR.

[restive river]

Ahem.
Slotting ayatans.

Way more egregious than the coda weapons lol

[tall echo]

All adversary weapons are technically locked behind high ranks

[tall echo]

[restive river]

Slotting ayatan stars into sculptures is locked behind MR, forgot which rank but I wanna say 5?

[proper barn]

also this. but i think getting to 1999 at like MR15 isn't even that odd or rare and not being able to like use the cool new weapons after you beat the coda is a worse feel bad

[tall echo]

Since when

[proper barn]

it was 10

since forever.

it's the auto slot not the slotting it normally.

[restive river]

I’m fine with the lich weapons being locked behind later mr personally, maybe not 17 but they’re meant to be later content weapons

[proper barn]

I am not

cuz none of the others are actually locked.

and you can go kill a coda

[restive river]

Wait really?

[proper barn]

and then not get a weapon.

[restive river]

Pfft

You can stock up on heartcells at least

[proper barn]

kuva and sisters since they are build in the foundry

[restive river]

Tbh the Lich and Sister systems need a refresh to bring them closer to the Codas

[proper barn]

bypass it.

[restive river]

Right yeah

I think they technically have an mr requirement but it doesn’t natter
That or I’m thinking of a different weapon

[tall echo]

Tenet melees and ferrox

[proper barn]

i stand by no weapon or function besides MR 30 stuff should be locked behind anything higher than 10.

[restive river]

Wait this is lore lmao

[proper barn]

13 if you are feeling froggy.

[restive river]

Uh
What’s the lore reason for mr locks

[proper barn]

teshin

hates you specificlly.

[tall echo]

There is no reason for MR locks except to encourage elitists to think that MR means something

[humble sierra]

You're too stupid to know how to use things

[restive river]

Damn he doesn’t even know about the Coda and he’s locking stuff

[humble sierra]

"How am I meant to use the Motovyre?" -MR16
"Oh I swing it" - MR17

[restive river]

Alternatively
You haven’t remembered those skills yet and need to relearn them

[humble sierra]

Yep that's a less stupid way to put it

[proper barn]

i stand by the thing i just said.

[restive river]

Both are good

But also Teshin has no way to reinforce that

[tall echo]

We get it

[restive river]

For the coda weapons at least

[tall echo]

MR locks shouldn't exist, let new players use everything

[humble sierra]

It's also infinitely funnier to imagine that the Tenno don't know how to use certain weapons

[tall echo]

The agony of having to farm 6 ranks just so I can use the og incarnons has burnt me out permanently

[restive river]

Remind me
Is the lock irrelevant if you buy it from the market?

[humble sierra]

No, you physically can't buy it

[tall echo]

iirc no

[restive river]

Ok so for that alone I do like mr

[proper barn]

i think up to MR10 it's fine.

[restive river]

But maybe have it so the locks are in place but only for purchasing it
If you can earn it then there’s no point in a lock

[humble sierra]

Kinda wish there was slightly less XP needed between levels

[tall echo]

Yes

[humble sierra]

I remember after level 12 it was a bit tough if you had caught up with the story

[tall echo]

Or make primes give like 1k more

[restive river]

I don’t think any frames are mr locked which is weird cause those should be way more complex to learn/relearn

[tall echo]

Some old primes are

[restive river]

Or maybe not since built in muscle memory kinda?

[humble sierra]

None are anymore

[restive river]

So they were playing with it but dropped it

[celest needle]

I do like Codas for grinding but I do not like how non-personal they are though

I would improve the requiem system though

[tall echo]

I think chroma prime was mr6

[humble sierra]

I think Palladino needs to sell a random Requiem mod for Riven Slivers

[restive river]

I wish their colors were reflective of the frame we made them with at least

[humble sierra]

That one small addition would be signficant

[restive river]

Tbh she needs to sell literally anything else for riven slivers lol

[humble sierra]

And steal stuff.

[restive river]

I like the weekly archon shard idea but that may be a bit much, i’m unsure

[humble sierra]

I think Coda are too easy, there's almost zero downside to them

[restive river]

Nope, I rather they didn’t do that

[restive river]

There is a downside, the fashion boil

I just wish said boil grew faster

Or grew in more spots

[humble sierra]

"Almost zero" and that's nowhere near the level of potentially stealing a Tauforged archon shard

[restive river]

They wouldn’t be able to anyway iirc

[humble sierra]

The Liches are harder to kill and have more negatives to them

[restive river]

I believe they fixed it so liches cant steal shards

[tall echo]

My old acc still has a lich with a stolen glyph

[celest needle]

I want the requiem system to be way more similar to the coda system because thrall hunting has to be one of the most exhausting experiences ever

And then trying to guess it each time which has them level up if you fail

[restive river]

My main issue with liches and sisters is you need a flow chart to kill them efficiently without them getting too op and the amount of rng with the system, both for getting the weapons and the requiems
Also ofc there being nothing in game that says what frame is the progenitor for what element, that one really annoys me

[restive river]

This too!

[tall echo]

The most obnoxious aspect being the complete anger reset

[restive river]

They need to be streamlined, not simplified and nerfed

[celest needle]

It'd be better if they at least gave more requiem exp then just like

5% per thrall with 12 thralls per mission

[restive river]

Tbh another excuse for them updating the lich/sister system is just so we can also get new weapons for both (maybe add some new coda ones too while they’re at it)

[restive river]

Yeah, it’s for sure better than it was
Oh boy its better
But it’s still so boring

[tall echo]

I think liches would be way less tedious if 1. Thralls gave more progress and 2. Progressing past 3 reveals the order slowly

[restive river]

It is however still fun to parazon kill them

Love doing finishers

[celest needle]

I want them to at least improve it and not turn them into Coda 2.0’s

Coda’s are made for farming

[restive river]

We still need a way to check progenitors in game other than having to make a lich every time just to figure it out
Like yes some frames are easy to figure out, but many aren’t

I wanna say Xaku is radiation???
For
Some reason???

Also why is impact here

[celest needle]

Grendel

The frame that spews toxin and is guttural themed

Impact

Atlas

The rock frame that is based around punching and stone

Toxin

[humble sierra]

Maybe a little symbol next to the weapon to show what Element it'll be if you stab them (just the type, not the damage)

[twin wigeon]

wrecking ball

[restive river]

Seriously
Why is impact here 😭

[twin wigeon]

hemorage

[restive river]

The existence of one mod isn’t a good excuse for impact

They just wanted to make that cool ephemera and you know it

[humble sierra]

Yeah but those ephemeras though

[twin wigeon]

what ephemeras?

[celest needle]

I love my rock based and punching TOXIN frame

[restive river]

Adversaries have ephemeras
The liches and sisters are based on progenitor element

[twin wigeon]

its a joke, i haven't gotten an ephemera in so long and i've killed hundreds of liches

[restive river]

I wanna say he would actually be good with a toxin build with archon continuity but idk if he’d fare the same as my Valkyr that utilizes that

[restive river]

Oh yeah that one’s cool too

[celest needle]

Try coda emphemera’s

[restive river]

Hey what’s the lore reason for being able to only put the kuva lich ephemeras on companions

[humble sierra]

I'm glad you still get the Ephemera if you spare them, because I've got a 57% Kuva Tonkor with the Flame ephemera

[twin wigeon]

stinky doggo

[humble sierra]

It's just an effect that you can stick onto the mesh, so there's not a need to model them uniquely and worry about proportions. No clue what the lore reason is, maybe it's easier to light your dog aflame than it is to give them a skirt

[celest needle]

Valance fusion for coda weapons is so dumb

A unique personal adversary that has to be farmed with the same gun multiple times in order to upgrade the element on a gun for a 10% increase

[restive river]

Lmao

[celest needle]

“Glarios, drip out the sister with the cool lighting effect.”

[dark compass]

I think it's supposed to be for the theme of his brute/destructive nature

And Atlas is toxin because earth element

Sevagoth shouldn't be in impact though

He strikes me more as a cold type of progenitor

[celest needle]

It actually surprises me the sense of scale Warframe has [sort of]

[lean garden]

what like two star systems?

[hidden glade]

I feel like in that way, the sense of scale is realistic enough to still feel future-y but still understandable to normal people

it isnt intergalactic war with universe ending weapons, the Void is the only real massive standout to locational differences from real life

otherwise its all planets and moons we already know

[restive river]

The Infestation too

[hidden glade]

well in overall differences yes there are more than plenty, but from the angle of "scale", it helps ground the player a lot I think, to know about the planets and moons we play on because theyre literally just from real life (just with obvious changes to fit the game. like, Deimos is (was) still Deimos at the end of it all)

[strange turtle]

Ig like, because of Void radiation? And just they didn’t want to make add to the system

[strange turtle]

Yeah ok nvm wtf

[silk atlas]

Mesa is Mag

Which is always funny to me

[strange turtle]

Ash has radiation

[dark compass]

Radiation is tied to "tricksters" of you look at the ephemera names

And Qorvex because he is a nuclear reactor

All other lich ephemeras have a basic element but they decided to say for radiation that it's "the energy of the trickster warframes"

Magnetic is for elemental(as in, different concepts. Not damage types) weirdos (and Mesa for some reason)

The fact Atlas and Oberon are toxin make me think they associate earth element with toxin. I think it's some sort of theological/videogame thing I can't remember the origin of

Impact has those who possess a lot of "physical" power, but I have no idea what Dante and Sevagoth are doing here

I gotta go but I would probably continue the discussion if anyone wants to support the topic

[narrow pendant]

meanwhile the toxin progenitor bonus atlas:

[dark compass]

Hey now

He can punch, but he is mostly an earthbender

[narrow pendant]

ah nvm already came up

aaaanyways we never saw current albrecht without his cap he could be bald and i cant stop thinking about it

[dark compass]

Even in his Leverian entry his giga punch was not about raw power, but about sensing the structure in the stone and finding a weak point

[narrow pendant]

yeah hes an earthbender which is a major factor in how he punched that meteor i hate how ppl call it his raw strengh

[dark compass]

One might assume he isn't actually throwing basic punches in his 1

But is hitting weak points

[narrow pendant]

detecting areas of least structural integrity- bending

[dark compass]

He could make a lot of money with civil engineering

[narrow pendant]

pro house inspector

idek where you farm atlas i never got any bps

is he in rj?

[dark compass]

Infested stuff in archwing

Jordas Golem

[narrow pendant]

oh yeah i have yet to do that quest lmao

that and mask of the revenant are my last ones left

[dark compass]

It's entirely reliant on a single rng drop from a juggernaut on a specific planet

I have never seen that thing drop

[narrow pendant]

de should retroactively add the mercy system for warframe farms that at some given number ur guranteed the set

[dark compass]

Ehh most early frames aren't a big deal

High drop chances, some guaranteed like Nekros

But that weird middle time around 2020 has lots of those yeah

[narrow pendant]

the stupid untradeable amalgam mods from the ropalolist, each being 1/5, took me like 40+ tries total to get all of them

[dark compass]

Was it worth it?

[narrow pendant]

ripkas for nekros

[dark compass]

Furax for Hildryn

[narrow pendant]

ofc that was the one that took so long to drop. the one that has the biggest impact

furax incarnon is pretty busted on calibans spin too

[lime matrix]

Is the devil frame an actual devil?

[humble sierra]

Just heavily devil themed, like how Jade is angel themed. I doubt they'd add actual demons and hell.

[lime matrix]

Man would have been cool

[strange turtle]

Ig Dante because he threw hands? And Sevagoth who threw claws ig

[atomic badge]

oberon, the radiation themed frame
toxin progenitor

[narrow pendant]

well roathe called descendia the purgatory, while also calling it an orokin invention so maybe it transports you to the closest thing wf has to hell

[dark compass]

.

[dark compass]

I think this is a valid explanation

But I can't remember what exactly it's referencing. There was something, I'm absolutely 100% sure

[strange turtle]

You access it with the refractory (same pool as the Tau memories) so it’s just a weird mind thing

[atomic badge]

tbh I think some of the progenitors make sense. saryn and oraxia are toxin element progenitors, ember being a heat progenitor, frost being a cold progenitor, and so on.

but if you have to bend over backwards to justify a progenitor element, I think we can just call a spade a spade here - that being their progenitors are really just that. random af

[dark compass]

I think 99% of them make sense in their own way

Sevagoth is the only one that doesn't really fit

You have to put it in context, it's not always as simple as "it's cold so it goes to cold, it's fire so it goes to heat"

I really should find the specific of what I'm talking about

[tall echo]

In a ton of games poison stuff does fall under earth element for some reason

[gaunt cliff]

Wait calibans spins count as combo? Wait does melee combo apply as primary combo

[gaunt cliff]

Pregnant angel lol

[lime matrix]

I was talking about the devil frame

[gaunt cliff]

I don’t know butni think de just dont like being themed i can see it in there designs

There like lets just make shit no ones seen before

[tall echo]

Uhhh... yeaaahhh...

Sure

[gaunt cliff]

Im not talking about meme frames tho

Lol they are heavily themed

Man de is complicated

[narrow pendant]

im referring to his spin grouping enemies which are then very easy targets for furax incarnon's lingering heat field after heavy slam

if using blast/gas on it wasnt enough

[gaunt cliff]

Ohhh i thought different, im nee to incarnons and im starting with okina and activating it is hard because things die before the combo counts

I have to solo to actually use incarnons

[narrow pendant]

that one galv melee mod lets you get to 6 combo mult with just like 6 kills

[green beacon]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but is that hoshakage Kira?

Also do we know how big the orbiter is and what other functions it holds

[lean garden]

I think thats minami from JJK

[green beacon]

They do both look kinda similar tbh

[green beacon]

Damn

That this is huge

[lean garden]

you've done the new war yea?

[green beacon]

Yeah I’m caught up on everything

[hollow siren]

you can see some of it in the Drifter's Camp

[lean garden]

^

You can guesstimate the size from there

[green beacon]

Fair

They should make new animations when your in your orbiter, like a disconnect animation like the atomicycle or you can see a proper orbiter when your in your friends lobby

[hollow siren]

Keep in mind it's not a 1:1 match with the interior, especially the "new" interior

[ashen pulsar]

After starting the game, it took me a while to realize that your landing craft wasn’t your orbiter

[gaunt cliff]

Wahhha?

[ashen pulsar]

I eventually realized, after seeing the orbiter button once I got the drifter camp

[gaunt cliff]

Like whats the difference between or orbiter and landing craft im just hearing this

[ashen pulsar]

Landing craft is literally just for landing on planets and air support

[opaque zenith]

Orbiter

[gaunt cliff]

So the orbiter is the one we login into

[lean garden]

you know the bit you see in the loading screens? Landing Craft. The part of the ship when the ramp goes down? Orbiter

[ashen pulsar]

Yes

[opaque zenith]

Landing craft (only got the 8-bit ver at hand)

[gaunt cliff]

Yea

[ashen pulsar]

There are a few landing crafts

By the way, your landing craft orbits earth right? So does it temporarily dock to take you off the orbiter?

[opaque zenith]

More like a dropship, or a pirate ship's... little boat thing... used for getting on land

These things, somehow forgot the name

[twin wigeon]

canoe

lifeboat

[opaque zenith]

That works. So LC is a reacoplable lifeboat

[twin wigeon]

reacoplable

bames jond habing a stronk

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah, but it’s not attached to the orbiter

[ocean geyser]

I mean
It is

The drifter’s camp shows that well enough

[ashen pulsar]

If you look in your star chart, you can see it orbiting around earth by itself

[ocean geyser]

I mean when it’s docked and stuff

[ashen pulsar]

So maybe it orbits around earth, temporarily docks when going to a planet, then you get in and it detaches? Weird way to do that

[ocean geyser]

I would say it docks until you enter the nav screen
Although seeing it orbiting could just be there for cool visuals

[opaque zenith]

More like it's docked by default. Think tie fighter who are not part of the destroyers, but don't stay in space alone for too long

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

I really just think seeing the landing craft in nav is just there for looks

[opaque zenith]

Doing planetary donuts just to look cool
New headcanon for Tenno downtime activities

[lean garden]

Quincy is a britannic lad

?

I said quincy is a britannic lad, Im not calling you a lad

[pale cedar]

Reading comprehension isn’t over 9000 with this one

[twin wigeon]

yeah he plays wf for sure

lmao

[ocean geyser]

Average warframe player

[strange turtle]

The landing crafts+their abilities, the obvious Orbiter stuff/modules + scanning, extensive storage, life-support, “void-cloaking” and general void-traversal (as in, it can move in the void, which seems to have requirements if Baro’s words and the obvious assumption are any indication)

[floral elk]

Halo'Kiteer cursed me on his last relay visit. I claimed my void surplus and he spoke backwards at me.

[ocean geyser]

Yeah that’s already been tossed around lol
That’s a requiem poem backwards

[floral elk]

Ahhhh

He also mentioned carrion fiends and eldritch horrors to a guild mate in reverse speak.

[lean garden]

also part of the requiems

[floral elk]

Oh, interesting

What are the requiem poems and where are they found?

[lean garden]

whats your standing with the entrati family and necraloid?

[floral elk]

I believe rank 4

[lean garden]

almost unlocked them all

anyways, head to where necraloid is, and look at the walls

[floral elk]

Oh, yeah. I read those a while back. I completely forgot about them.

[lean garden]

wait no sorry I mixed it up

the poems are just all on reqiuem mods

[floral elk]

Oh.... huh

I have all the requiem mods except oull

[lean garden]

for instance this is your's

[opaque zenith]

For the record, there are the poem parts in the requiem mods who are a lich mechanic, and the requiem records on the necraloid chamber walls, which have the full poem on the Lohk simbol

[ashen pulsar]

Then is the other half just a hidden part?

Its heralds are the stars it fells, the sky and earth aflame

[ashen pulsar]

Oh I see

[lean garden]

thats just on a different mod

[ashen pulsar]

Oh. Then it’s lohk and xata?

[lean garden]

they're wrong btw, the ones on the walls have entrati's record, but not the poem

And netra

Not sure if theres another, didnt bother to check

[ashen pulsar]

What’s the proper order then

[lean garden]

I just know that these 3 definitely were the ones baro yapped about

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

you can choose to order them by how albrecht ordered it

which is the linear progression through his own records

Xata netra lohk I guess

[ashen pulsar]

Netra/khra, lohk/xata, ris/fass, vome/jahu are the rhymes

[lean garden]

?

[ashen pulsar]

Requiem mods have rhymes

From brooding gulfs are we beheld, by that which bears no name. Its heralds are the stars it fells, the sky and earth aflame

What’s the order of the mods

Oh I found it!

It’s
LOHK
XATA
JAHU
VOME
RIS
FASS
NETRA
KHRA

From brooding gulfs are we beheld

By that which bears no name

Its heralds are the stars it fells

The sky and Earth aflame

Corporeal laws are unwrit

As suns and love retreat

To cosmic madness laws submit

Though stalwart minds entreat

In luminous space blackened stars

They gaze, accuse, deny

Roiling, moaning, this realm of ours

In madness lost shall die

Carrion hordes trill their profane

Accord with eldritch plans

To cosmic forms from tangent planes

We end as we began

reading it now, it’s pretty cool. Talks about infested, Wally, the orokin, and maybe the void jump?

[ocean geyser]

We don’t know actually

Could be all of those, could be none of them, could be some

It’s definitely related to Wally for sure though

[misty salmon]

We end as we began: confused.

[ashen pulsar]

Definitely seems like orokin

Carrion herds probably refers to infested

[restive river]

I feel like a maybe real answer to that is “dust” but idk lol

[stiff fable]

Wouldn't it be "void"?

[restive river]

Why not void AND dust?

[pale cedar]

Sorry, I took the dust out of the Void

[strange turtle]

Put that back

You don’t know where it’s been

[stiff fable]

Just ran the roomba through

[strange turtle]

-# or what it’s been

[restive river]

PUT IT BACK

[pale cedar]

Yes I do, it was in decayed universes

[strange turtle]

Yeah, and where do you think Wally put his dusty hands after

For all you know it’s got 🤢 Vor particles mixed in

[gaunt cliff]

Does perspicacity come with any frame or is it just random helminth ability

[strange turtle]

It’s a Helminth one

[restive river]

I like to think they added it in reference to the community idea of a hacker frame

[green beacon]

So wait is the tau system home to the sentients or orokin? I kinda forgot?

[restive river]

Tau is home to the sentients who were sent there from the Origin System by the Orokin to terraform it for them

The Orokin are 99% dead now and no Orokin ever stepped foot in Tau as far as we know
Ballas’ hologram shows up in the Old Peace memories and he wanted to go there during the New War too
Albrecht is potentially there but we don’t know how or why

[green beacon]

I just saw the old peace gameplay teaser, so are sentients beige and red due to corruption and are blue and white for purity?

[restive river]

Unknown
They were likely white, blue and gold during the Old Peace cause
The Orokin

We don’t really know enough yet so
They could have the rusty red due to void exposure for all we know

Iirc the “corruption” is just an override of some kind since the sentients are just the most advanced robots

[green beacon]

At least we know where the grineer got inspiration for there ships kinda

[green beacon]

Well yeah, just with the aspect of sentience and emotions

[restive river]

?

[green beacon]

The old orokin drop ships

[restive river]

Also the really good adaptation

[restive river]

Oh
Yeah well the Grineer did just work under the Orokin lol

Originally slave laborers
Then slave soldiers

[green beacon]

Before mass cloning and basically got like an additional 38 chromosomes

[restive river]

The issue was less mass cloning iirc and more so the tech being kinda lost
Also techrot occurring

Could also be an issue of too much cloning but not having the same level of tech the Orokin had will make things difficult

[strange turtle]

It was always mass cloning, the Grineer just didn’t have the solutions for their issues the orokin did

[strange turtle]

You mean clonerot?

[green beacon]

I mean did you not look at Star Wars

[restive river]

Yeah sorry lol

[restive river]

No I don’t really like star wars that much

[green beacon]

Clone wars, mass cloned the same person, war against robots with partial sentience and self preservation, high ruling leaders with special space energy, basically the same story kind of

[restive river]

Eh not really

The grineer weren’t made for fighting the sentients, they were just the work force til they needed more soldiers

The droids weren’t really like the sentients nor were they fighting for themselves

The Orokin aren’t really equatable to the Jedi or the Sith, just cause they were leaders and had access to essentially space magic doesn’t mean they’re really similar at all

If you simplify and blur both then sure yeah they’re similar

[silk atlas]

The Force also literally comes from within and Void magic very much doesn't

[green beacon]

I mean it comes within the man in the wall

[restive river]

No, it does not.

For the tenno, yeah sure we literally have a piece of him within us
For ftl travel, yes they use a piece of him
But general void energy and the void aren’t him or due to him

[green beacon]

Servers down, so I guess lore talk now

With the old peace, adis has the ability to heal other sentients is that with all of them or only a select few

[restive river]

The Old Peace isn’t out but his powers of healing likely extend to all sentient, I don’t really see why it wouldn’t tbh

[green beacon]

Fair, but that wouldn’t make sense why other sentient soldier during new war couldn’t just have healers to constantly heal the front line whilst fighting

[humble sierra]

Adis seems special

It could also be that the Sentients in the Origin system, since they can't reproduce, can't be healed?

[restive river]

Sorry I mispoke
His powers of healing seem to be just him but he can use it on any sentuent

[green beacon]

Ah

[restive river]

Wouldn’t really matter since Adis can’t reach them

[ashen pulsar]

We haven’t seen any evidence of either and probably won’t

[restive river]

If Adis can fix void exposure then that’s huge
But I doubt it

[humble sierra]

Yeah like I said Adis seems to be special

He even has a unique speech pattern

But can sing perfectly

[restive river]

Iirc Temple Kuva can repair the reproductive functions of a damaged sentient but I think the void exposure damage is likely something Adis just can’t heal

[humble sierra]

I'm thinking he was designed to be more human?

[restive river]

Or forced to be more human

The mask he wears is humanoid
And
Literally a mask

[ashen pulsar]

Designed and forced are interchangeable

[restive river]

He’s literally wearing a false face for what, us? The Orokin?

[restive river]

I’m saying forced over designed since we don’t even know when he was made

[ashen pulsar]

Oh fair

[restive river]

He may have been created during the old peace
Or he existed prior
I wanna say something maybe alludes to it but I’m unsure

Either way it is forced to some extent
But the difference is whether or not he was born straight into it or if it was due to the peace

[humble sierra]

I'm thinking Adis was specifically designed for the Tenno to be a child-like presence they could relate to

[restive river]

I’m going with he was forced cause if he was designed then idk why he’d have a mask rather than it just be his face
But we shall see in about a month!

[humble sierra]

We probably won't

This seems like a nitpicky detail that might not be the focus of the quest