lore-discussion

[hazy prism]

oh god I didn't know that

[white goblet]

thats a tad disturbing

[hazy prism]

i didn't know it went that far

[white goblet]

it makes sense tbh

so im kinda ok with it

[restive river]

Operator helped with contractions, they likely didnt stick around when they knew they had helped enough

[stiff fable]

I kinda figured the operator transferenced into Stalker again for the escape

[lean garden]

again?

[stiff fable]

Yeah, that's how they reach Jade in the first place

[lean garden]

That's not how I saw that segment happen

From when stalker does his casual BnE into your crib to when you reach Jade, the operator looks to be trying transference into Jade the whole time thanks to the feather Stalker brought oppy

[stiff fable]

hm, I never got that sense

Operator's talking to Stalker the whole time

[lean garden]

Comms channels go brrr

[stiff fable]

Touching the feather in hindsight seems more like getting a taste of the memory feathers that Teshin keeps

[lean garden]

Operator transferring into stalker also is awkward because the operator doesnt do anything for stalker there

the operator didnt make stalker move anywhere, just kept telling him move here do that

[stiff fable]

Yeah it's the other way around imo

They're not doing anything for Stalker, he's taxiing them

[olive trout]

temple could prime himself?

[pale cedar]

No

[humble sierra]

Themself* and it'd probably be more like Lizzie would be priming them

[olive trout]

thats what i heard i mean he came from the void i think cuz no orokin made him ballas doesnt know who

[humble sierra]

That's revenant

[olive trout]

am talking about temple not lizzie and temple

[humble sierra]

Temple Prime isn't out yet

[olive trout]

i didnt say that temple prime is out

[olive trout]

ik

some ppl say temple is alr his prime

[pale cedar]

Only Lavos is the one theorised to have primed themself

Which is an exceptiontion to the rule

[humble sierra]

All frames will have a Prime variant. The leading theory for when Temple gets a prime is that the meteor they are on has gold and other "nutrients" so Temple Prime will be Flare who has then evolved to the point of becoming Temple Prime

And the Temples we see are just copies of that

[olive trout]

so he will evolve to temple prime?

how could warframes evolve to primes.

[pale cedar]

It's better to wait for the frame than to theorise it in advance

[humble sierra]

We don't know yet, and won't for another couple years. Also I corrected you with "themself" earlier not because I was referring to Temple and Lizzie but because Temple is non-binary

[olive trout]

who created styanax?

[humble sierra]

Flare themself is Nonbinary

[pale cedar]

The Orokin

[olive trout]

no in lore it says styanax wasnt created by the orokin cuz they dont know who

and styanax isnt connected with the orokin

[humble sierra]

Ballas and the Orokin created all Warframes— even Temple was designed by him, but he never put the design into use because he sensed the design had rebellious nature

[olive trout]

not all warframes.

[humble sierra]

The only Warframes that Ballas had zero hand in designing are likely the ones by Albrecht, like Qorvex and Oraxia (and Xaku Prime?)

[pale cedar]

Orokin made 99% of Warframes

[celest needle]

Concrete slab:

[humble sierra]

Albrecht's still Orokin

[olive trout]

uh not all warframes cuh cuz ballas and the orokin doesnt know how temple appeared and how cyte got disppaered

[pale cedar]

Titania was made by Silvana under Ballas’ instructions

[olive trout]

and styanax isnt connected to the orokin

[pale cedar]

Source

[olive trout]

atleast thats what i heard and when i searched still unkown who made him

[celest needle]

Although he wasn't made for the old war

Or I don't think ever built maybe,

[pale cedar]

When it isn't stated who created a frame it is almost always Ballas

[olive trout]

bro styanax isnt connected to the orokin.

[pale cedar]

Source

[olive trout]

so is nokko

wait maybe nokko

[olive trout]

go search it

[celest needle]

source
go search it

[olive trout]

yes

[pale cedar]

Funny
I searched it and nothing said it wasn't made by the Orokin

So since it is you suggesting such
Where's your source?

[olive trout]

"was styanax made by the orokin"

that what u searched?

[hollow siren]

we know nothing of Styanax's origins. Until implied otherwise, he was created like most other frames

[celest needle]

My brother

You stated information

You must have a source to back it up

[pale cedar]

Searching that gave me a stupid AI answer saying yes

[celest needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068639836388458496/1252990706700521614/3x_10-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[pale cedar]

So what source are you using

[humble sierra]

Ultimately Styanax is still Orokin because he's a Warframe thus the Helminth, an Orokin creation, was used to make him

[celest needle]

“I just just love 300, I think I should make a frame out of this.”

[pale cedar]

99% of the time when a frame doesn't have a stated creator the creator is Ballas

[hollow siren]

it's Ballas until proven otherwise

[olive trout]

gotta dig deeper in lore

[humble sierra]

Like even if Ballas and any other Orokin had nothing to do with him directly (and there's nothing that implies that there wasn't Orokin involvement)

[humble sierra]

Like the Leverian?

[hollow siren]

There is no lore on Styanax's origins. We have his Leverian and his animated trailer, that's it

[olive trout]

i think not every frame is created by ballas i think like a thousand frames are lost and made by other orokins

[humble sierra]

That's the bulk of his lore and there's nothing that says he wasn't made by the Orokin

[hollow siren]

That is likely, yes

[olive trout]

something tells me he isnt connected to the orokin

[hollow siren]

Cool, there's nothing in-game supporting that

[pale cedar]

Your argument was no Orokin involvement though

[olive trout]

i mean some warfarmes that are not primed made by other ppl not by the orokin

[pale cedar]

The secret of how to make Warframes is something the Orokin kept hold of very tightly

[olive trout]

nokko was born by an infected void mushroom right?

[humble sierra]

On that, the only Primes not primed by an Orokin would be Lavos, who primed himself, and maybe Revenant who was Primed by the Unum— but Mikey just Ballas of another universe, I'm pretty sure there's some CE/Eternalism in RevPrime lore?

[olive trout]

rev prime was creatd by the void

also i think timeline not universe

[pale cedar]

We don't actually know that

It's a theory

[humble sierra]

All we know is that Ballas doesn't know

[olive trout]

cyte xaku revenant prime and temple is somehow connected to the void and i think nokko too am just saying

[humble sierra]

Cyte? Nothing about Cyte says he's void related

[pale cedar]

All Warframes are connected to the Void

[olive trout]

no i just think abt that

[celest needle]

Cyte was made and then just vanished lol

[olive trout]

no like was alr being imagined by the void

[humble sierra]

Yeah his lore is missing

[olive trout]

ik

[humble sierra]

But he's an actual Warframe

Even Xaku was made up of actual Warframes

[olive trout]

ik but by the void cuz i think the entrati found them

[pale cedar]

Temple was made by Entrati using Ballas’ design

[olive trout]

is cyte we using is a copy or the real cyte?

[celest needle]

Copy

Every warframe outside of maybe the starter ones and umbra are copies

[hidden glade]

Umbra is a recreation

we watch him die

[pale cedar]

Umbra was blown up so is a copy

[olive trout]

the prime might be the original like he is the one that vanished maybe his prime is like the recovered lore

[pale cedar]

We re-create Umbra from partial data

[celest needle]

But then how does he have his memories and stuff?

[pale cedar]

Because Ballas coded him that way

[olive trout]

as a punishment

[pale cedar]

Yes

[hidden glade]

transference bolt forces his memory to replay forever

[pale cedar]

Umbra literally can't get over the memory

That's why he's sentient

Motivation still exists

[olive trout]

was caliban prime created first in lore or normal caliban?

[hollow siren]

we don't know

[pale cedar]

Not stated

[hidden glade]

base is more likely it seems, then being Primed as a celebration of the Old Peace, as Vadarya was a ceremonial weapon

[celest needle]

How. How do we clone Caliban?

[olive trout]

no we found caliban

[celest needle]

He's mostly a sentient

[hidden glade]

frames are recreated from data, and the Helminth can consume Sentient resources

[olive trout]

telling my clan i hate revenant when i alr main him CUZ of his lore

[pale cedar]

Helminth isn't weak to Sentient or anything

[strange turtle]

Our foundries can make sentient and amalgam stuff

[olive trout]

caliban prime is part sentient and part warframe

right?

[humble sierra]

Yep

Base is made by Erra during the Old War, we aren't sure who made Prime but he was likely made as a gesture

Showing unity between the Orokin's Warframes and the Sentients of Tau

[olive trout]

wait so like they took caliban himself and primed him?

[humble sierra]

My guess is Prime came first and Erra made the base after the War broke out again

[olive trout]

oh

[humble sierra]

You don't need the base to prime a Warframe

[hidden glade]

again, we dont know how or when the Prime was made

so its hard to say

[olive trout]

yk warframe lore is so weird man they need to do more

if they could

[humble sierra]

Some Primes are the originals, some are upgrades, but "upgrades" don't have to be upgrades of the Warframes themselves, just upgraded designs

[hidden glade]

theyre always doing more, very actively really, they just dont always connect every dot or clarify every point to spell it out letter by letter, a lot of stuff is left open ended or speculative

[celest needle]

If Erra is smart enough to even help make a warframe why did he still played played like a fool by Ballas

[humble sierra]

Blinded by racism

[olive trout]

fax

[humble sierra]

Also Ballas isn't necessarily stupid

[olive trout]

sitting back and waiting for styanax prime

[hidden glade]

motor skill intelligence does not make you immune to propaganda manipulation

[olive trout]

whos in feb or jan

[olive trout]

bro a simp ong

[celest needle]

I know but Erra come on be smarter at least,

You entrust the golden lore of lies

Who tries to kill your entire species

And made the things for the sole purpose of doing such thing

[woven coyote]

Tbf we dont even know how erra survived the tenno beam combo

Maybe he got the old ballas gaslight service

[olive trout]

in styanax trailer was styanax controlling himself or had a tenno?

[celest needle]

Damage attenuation

[olive trout]

cuz i heard somewhere in lore hes feared by the orokin and used to control himself during battles

[celest needle]

Where are you getting your lore from😭

[olive trout]

someshit i remember 8 months ago

the day i used to main him

was digging into lore from ppl i think that they are dumbasses

[hidden glade]

its not stated, many frames were independent and all of them have the potential for it, so..

[woven coyote]

So far it has sounded like youtube lore

[celest needle]

And then trust him to rule Narmer and be surprised when he doesn't actually care about you

[olive trout]

whats the reason for ballas to have a crashout? was he ragebaitted?

[hidden glade]

originally all the way back in the War? Margulis was executed and the Sentients were winning

[olive trout]

he created the lotus to goon to her

i see that

[celest needle]

I know he's blinded by Racism but letting the betrayer-of-his-own-empire-and-lier-who-has no-care-for-morals-and-turned-your-sister-into-his-dead-wife-because-he’s-that-egotistical be your friend is just brain dead

[woven coyote]

He didnt create the lotus

[olive trout]

he did

and shes a robot i think

[woven coyote]

[hidden glade]

not really, to either of those

[olive trout]

like she is not the real lotus

[woven coyote]

Well thechnically all sentients are synthetic beings
But yeah they have sentience so not really robots

[olive trout]

do i need to add more i am bad at fashion in someways

[hidden glade]

mm, being a synthetic-organic mix theyre hard to call robots really, they specifically blur the line in almost every way

[woven coyote]

She is the real lotus
Because lotus is basically natah posing as margulis

[woven coyote]

Don't think they have any organic to them

[celest needle]

Do the sentients have blood?

[olive trout]

no

[woven coyote]

Pretty sure no

[celest needle]

How would Garuda be effective against them then?

[woven coyote]

Same as against moas i suppose

[celest needle]

That's for gameplay purposes, but

How would she be effective against a species that is artificially made and cannot bleed

[woven coyote]

Well their insides are gel like iirc so very likely that

Like just for not having blood doesnt mean they don have some other fluid essential to their continued function and survival

[tall echo]

Cringe edgelord detected

[olive trout]

what?

[tall echo]

That's an extremely edgy color scheme

[olive trout]

everyone was infected by black and red and gold and other but with black.

[tall echo]

Hit randomize colors a few times

[hidden glade]

theres plenty about the Sentients that heavily implies organic nature, we see pools of Primordial Goop™ aboard the Murexes, bringing form to many drones and Ropalolysts. theyre able to blend and manipulate easily with fully organic entities in Alad's Amalgam project, so commonly looking extremely fleshy. constant references to natural processes like Hunhows "womb" and familial trees. Archon Shards being shared by Warframes which are fully organic also adds to the implication. Im pretty sure theres dialogue somewhere that specifically mentions the hallways of Murexes resembling internal body parts of local wildlife (iirc its Daughter that says this? I cant remember exactly)

[tall echo]

Become original

[olive trout]

do what u say but i wont

[tall echo]

Try it at least

[olive trout]

did but nah

[tall echo]

Black&gold is popular bc it's stylish, black&red is popular bc it's dark and edgy

[olive trout]

i dont think its edgy when alot of ppl do it and so is my clan

[tall echo]

Just bc it's common doesn't mean it isn't edgy

[pale cedar]

Someone in my clan only uses black and Red

[woven coyote]

Looking and behaving organically and actually being made of organic components is different

Organic beings dont lift their children out of a manifold for example

Also the orokin were initially against making the sentient because they were ai, they were synthetic

[pale cedar]

They were against them till Void weakness was suggested

[hidden glade]

they only feared the Sentients because of their ability to adapt so quickly and easily

[tall echo]

And their ability to think

The authoritative dictator wannabe gods are scared of powerful independent thinkers...

[restive river]

Them gaining sentience
came later

They were more so afraid of their adaptation

[hollow siren]

The Orokin always feared they would gain sentience, but they still did not expect the sudden Sentient revolt

[restive river]

The fear of it being a sentient being just went with being ai
The real threat was nothing they had except the void could damage them

[hollow siren]

and how effectively the Sentients would counter their high tech weapons

[restive river]

That too but that came later

They had their fears but they exploded when they revolted

[hollow siren]

I can imagine the other Seven looking at Ballas like "man we told you so" and Ballas was just all "oh wow whoops what a surprise"

[hazy prism]

Wasn't Ballas pretending to be against the project to reverse psychology the other executors to aproving the project?

[hollow siren]

pretty much yeah, true

[restive river]

The foundry is really good
Reminder that idle anims are remnants of their personality and every frame we use is a copy

[fast dew]

Orokin not liking ai?!?! Only based thing they did

And uh, being pro body modification, thats always nice

[hollow siren]

It's easy to forget that our Foundry is far from the average standard, it's an extremely advanced Orokin-era foundry with pretty much no equals

Only one that could even be compared is Varzia's foundry that can create Relics from Aya

and even then that's moreso a difference in function than in capability

[tame flax]

Does garuda have lore

[hollow siren]

Nothing beyond her descriptions and the inbox message with her main bp after the quest Vox Solaris

[tame flax]

💔

[strange turtle]

I think DE said they were hoping to get lore for her out soon like, 6 years ago

[pale cedar]

🔜

[strange turtle]

So like there’s probably some that they’ve got internally

[pale cedar]

Rebb said Steve forgot about promising it

[strange turtle]

Tbh I think the worst part about the wait is like

She and her Prime are already out and she’s already been introduced

and she already has a deluxe so no giving her something like what Yareli or Sevagoth got

So the best we can hope for is like, some basic Leverian

Which is fine

[ocean geyser]

Leverians are pretty neat anyway

[strange turtle]

But like, so long just to get what’s probably gonna be pretty standard stuff among leverians (again, not that there’s anything bad about that but like, compare that to the more recent ones we’ve got)

[tall echo]

Well varzia is taking stuff from the actual past somehow iirc

[pale cedar]

I keep hearing people think Leverians will never be made again because of the depression

DE could literally have it set before the Parvos thing

[strange turtle]

The depression?

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[tall echo]

Or after since, y'know, we help drusus avoid having to sell more

[ocean geyser]

Dante’s Leverian

[strange turtle]

Ohh yeah the debt stuff

[pale cedar]

Drusus is depressed because he made a deal of some kind with Parvos

[ocean geyser]

Ngl i was never sure what i was supposed to do there

Because it’s not really a quest so like
Is it just

go to leverian
gain the ability to farm for dante

[tall echo]

Yes

[ocean geyser]

I see

[hollow siren]

Aya is "pure memory plasma" so it seems her foundry is effectively 3D-printing data stored in the Aya

[lean garden]

I think the issue with what youve brought up doesnt actually exonerate the sentients from being non-organic

Most if not all of it can be replicated in a non-organic, or rather a "non-biological" way

[hollow siren]

They're definitely mechanical at least at their base, but the way they're structured and how they work has evolved in such an alien way that they definitely feel like they're not fully mechanical

and then you can even go into it philosophically in what the difference between organic and synthetic is when the Sentients have spent such a long time reproducing and evolving independently

[lean garden]

like even if we take organic as its chemical definition, can we even say that the sentients fit?

like organic lifeforms are would be limited to carbon-based

and if sentients arent that, well, then theyre simply not organic

[hollow siren]

There are several hypothetically "possible" types of organic chemistry, just that carbon-based is the only kind we know to exist on earth

[lean garden]

I mean, organic chemistry by definition is about carbon compounds

[hollow siren]

Because that's what all organic life on earth is based on. Doesn't mean it should necessarily exclude other types of bio-chemistry if they were to exist

The Sentients wouldn't be organic by our real life definitions, but you could still argue that they would be a potential need to extend the definition if they existed

[lean garden]

but then Id have to ask you what is organic life then

[white goblet]

My take:

Warframe idle animations aren't anything special. I see them as default precepts programmed into Neuroptics at creation, based on the behaviors of the original person who was exposed to the helminth.

However, Umbra has full memories, I believe that this is because we used bits and pieces of the original warframe to create a new one. I believe that our waframes are built with normal bluprints and raw materials, while umbra's was... more of a repair job.

[lean garden]

because if you tell me its life based on organic compounds wed be running into a smidgen of a tautology

[lean garden]

wouldnt be much of a repair job if all you had was scraps

[white goblet]

fair but thats when we can say 'advanced foundry blah blah blah'

Hell I'm pretty sure one of the fragments you scan/pick up is the head... where the memories would be

[hidden glade]

we never took anything back with us but mere data, incomplete data that couldnt even be used because of his unique Transference Bolt until we got his blueprint from the Vitruvian that included that data for it

theoretically any frame has the capacity for memory, but its lost over the centuries as it was never seen as necessary until Ballas wanted a special punishment for Umbra

[white goblet]

then why aren't the parts there when we return later? I think it makes sense that we took the parts seperately, this would also explain why umbra was much easier to build

[hollow siren]

That or they directly lobotomize the frame to lose their memories

[white goblet]

also correct, but this wasn't unique to umbra, all first generation warframes were tortured in thsi way

[hollow siren]

That is likely just DE deciding to not have them be there for our return to avoid needless rendering

[hidden glade]

welllll the lobotomy part never really went to plan tbf, Ballas directly states their attempts fail, but its whatever

[hollow siren]

if you want an in-universe reason it could just be Ballas and/or the Ghouls got rid of them

[hidden glade]

first generation also becomes kinda meaningless, more or less all frames are created the same, the only generations are pre-Tenno and post-Calming which does not dictate how they were made

[hollow siren]

It failed to make the frames docile, most of them seem to have very much lost themselves

[white goblet]

fair point, I choose to believe that modern era tenno use lifeless clones/volunteers to create warframes, that way there is no consiousness in there when they get turned into warframes

[hollow siren]

the Warframes we fabricate are pretty much just 3D-printed meat copies

no human host needed

[white goblet]

(i also choose to believe that the things inside warframe cryopods are those clones/volunteers that need to be kept safe)

[hidden glade]

I dont see why not: the Second Dream shows us directly they are still capable of independent movement

[lean garden]

ethically sourced as Quincy says

[hidden glade]

we arent making new frames at all, its all just data, we wouldnt need "fresh bodies" anymore

[white goblet]

........... im p sure that was just long range transference

[hollow siren]

We wouldn't be able to make new frames in our Foundry, since that requires blueprints that are created from existing frames

to make a fully new one we'd have to bring someone to our Helminth

[hidden glade]

which wasnt an option to us until the War Within because the Tenno lost all their abilities

[hollow siren]

True that

[hidden glade]

"oh but it was the Lotus" despite she never actually controls our Warframe in any other way but giving us energy in the Awakening quest

[hollow siren]

we still needed the Somatic Link for indirect Transference by then

[white goblet]

well the tenno never lost their abilities, they just forgot. Teshin helped them remember in war within, but for the most part they were still there

[hollow siren]

True, Gallerine's point still stands tho

[hidden glade]

lost, forgot, same thing: it was very explicitly not an option to us

[tall echo]

Idle animations are stated to be leftovers of the original

[white goblet]

idk i can imagine abilities out of desperation coming back when youre being choked by a shadow murder robot

[tall echo]

A tiny fragment of it

[hidden glade]

we didnt go through any War Within dream sequence to use Transference during Second Dream, but we did for War Within, what would have changed when both of these instances have our life in dangeer

[hollow siren]

it being like a subconscious reflexive action is kinda plausible, yeah

[tall echo]

Modern frames are human-less copies

[tall echo]

Only umbra was tortured by keeping one memory

[hollow siren]

We have met very few Originals directly yeah

[white goblet]

oh does it say that somewhere? i always headcannoned that off screen we're given the things inside cryopods to expose to the helmith before outfitting them with the 3 parts we previously built

[tall echo]

KIM

[hollow siren]

Drifter KIM chats

[white goblet]

uhh is there a site i can see them? i forgor

[hollow siren]

KIM chats have a lot of moments where Drifter explains things to the Protos that also acts as exposition for the player

[hollow siren]

Kimulacrum

[tall echo]

Kimulacrum

[tall echo]

Like the fact that incarnons eat souls

[hidden glade]

all our frames also come pre-calmed because they were previously calmed during the Old War or before we earn their data to recreate them; unlike Umbra, so calming a brand new created frame would be a bigger deal

[hollow siren]

it's a good way to clear up vague aspects that still feels fitting narratively

[hollow siren]

Well tbf that's moreso Drifter being like "idk how it works cause it's Void but it does react to death somehow so"

[tall echo]

There's no human inside to go insane and we're immediately using transference on them so

[white goblet]

ugh yeah no good way to see the exact dialouge

easily at least

im not searching through every convo

[tall echo]

You can look for key words iirc

[hollow siren]

our modern fabricated frames are kinda like we build an Infested puppet to imitate the parts of the Original that we need, while leaving out the rest

[tall echo]

-# Both times I've typed human I almost typo'd hunan

[hollow siren]

This is my favourite KIM chat because before this I could never convince others that Drifter did in fact take the deal (well tbf by then Drifter and Operator couldn't really be considered separate)

[hidden glade]

the data is an exact copy of them, while consciousness is implied to be preserved through death with both idle animations and Umbra- Umbra is only lashing out because of his memory, but what is memory without a mind to process it, to feel it

[hollow siren]

Almost everyone I spoke to talked about how Drifter did not take the Deal

[tall echo]

Tbf until te duviri tablets that was like sorta the logical conclusion

TYPO

I have failed

[tall echo]

Idles are explicitly only remnants

[hollow siren]

ig with the Transference bolt you can maybe see it as Umbra is kinda Transferred into his own body via the bolt, letting certain parts of his mind stay separated from his now Infested body. Could also be contributing to why our Transference Stream with him goes both ways

[hidden glade]

remnants of what though, is your personality not dictated by your consciousness?

[hollow siren]

idles are more like muscle memory part of the limited aspects we recreate like this

[tall echo]

Answer depends on personal philosophy

[hollow siren]

like instead of an amputee's phantom limb it's like the Original is the copy's phantom self

The exact definition of it all aren't really vital to understand anyways. Some intangible remnant of the Original exists within the copies, and what exactly you believe that is is moreso just part of your personal interpretation of the narrative's messages

[strange turtle]

I always figured they were like “biomechanical”, as in the concept of advanced robotics based on organics/biomechanics

[hollow siren]

That's not really what biomechanical means, but yeah I get what you're saying

Like they're so mechanically advanced that they start to seem biological, to the point where you wonder if they can actually be counted as such

[strange turtle]

Yeah I mean in the sense of how like, some sci-fi use the word, rather than the actual meaning and field of study

[hollow siren]

yeah

[old dome]

abt the transference bolt,, was it made by margulis along w the frame project so that the tenno can. astral project themselves into the frames or...??

when was it made? i forgot..

[hollow siren]

Transference was originally a therapy technique made by Archimedean Margulis. It later being adapted for controlling the Warframes was against her wishes, hence her execution

IIRC. the actual inventor of Transference Bolts is never stated, but Ballas is always a possible candidate

[lilac aspen]

Ballas do be a NERD
Ashame he was an evil nerd

[narrow pendant]

umbra is the same deal as stalker

only memory is their hate/trauma and designed to stay sentient

[hollow siren]

Stalker seems to still have his memories, he just wasn't made aware that Jade was also turned into a Warframe, and didn't realize that the one who saved him was actually her

[narrow pendant]

cherrypicked memories so that he still believes the orokin were not the reason of his and jade's suffering

[pale cedar]

He didn’t know she was Jade originally which is why he was confused why he was saved by her

[hollow siren]

ye, plus the regular propaganda that made him view the Tenno as the true reason he could never meet Jade again

[narrow pendant]

i believe the flashbacks have him refer to her as jade, as in it was her actual name

[hollow siren]

yes, but I doubt he was told of the executioner warframe's name

[pale cedar]

Yeah, Jade was her actual name but he didn’t know Jade became Jade till later

[narrow pendant]

yes

[hollow siren]

I've always imagined it as Jade being an Archimedean who discovered/invented the Jade Light, hence why her relationship with Sorren was forbidden since it was crossing castes

It's never stated or even implied she was one but

[fringe moth]

Does teshin ever come back from devuri?

[hollow siren]

Not yet

We could theoretically bring him back with us to Reality

[fringe moth]

When did he go the devuri?

[hollow siren]

fell into the Void Gate with us and Natah during The New War

you inspect his broken Veil and a Narmer banner during the quest

[fringe moth]

Ah

Sidenote duveri was around be4 "The New Quest" right?

[woven coyote]

It was teased since before but it launched after iirc

[hollow siren]

it released after The New War, but its initial reveal was years before it

it was heavily delayed

[fringe moth]

Ooooh

[woven coyote]

It was teased as soon as railjack pretty sure

[hollow siren]

yep

[woven coyote]

Like the second railjack trailer

[hollow siren]

it was one of those things people joked about ever releasing like Elden Ring and Silksong

[woven coyote]

Yeah covid put a spanner in the works

[hollow siren]

Heart of Deimos was initially meant to release after TNW, but TNW got delayed and went through several full rewrites so HoD got a bit rushed to fill the gap during the pandemic

[strange turtle]

It also went through a lot of change in development

[hollow siren]

yep

[strange turtle]

There was stuff with the terraforming devices from the zariman, and idea of it being a Corpus guys personal LARP place on Jupiter

[tall echo]

Duviri

[ocean geyser]

Devuri

[strange turtle]

Duvari

[pale cedar]

Isleviri

[cosmic badge]

Viridu

[low jungle]

Vudiri

[strange turtle]

Vidiru

[pale cedar]

Irivud

[fringe swan]

I wonder if DE will ever have voice actors for Stalker's Acolytes, along with any context about how they met and ended up serving Stalker.
Cuz most of the time, Warframes are on sight for Stalker. Makes me wonder what they did to be spared, unless they happened to work under him during the Orokin era

[silk atlas]

The fact they let them show up in Hollvania without any justification at all doesn't inspire any hope in me about more Acolyte lore

[deep magnet]

they don't serve him they are more like his fanboys iirc

[strange turtle]

They do

Them being tenno fanboys or something was an old theory, I think

Alad V (video message): "Bad news, Tenno. The Stalker has found others as twisted as himself. He calls them his Acolytes and he's sent them after… me?!

We asked… what is thy will, Shadow? Punishment was his call."

(variant) Misery: "We serve the Shadow, the Stalker, the truth."

(variant) Misery: "The Shadow is pure, undreaming, untainted."

(variant) Misery: "The Shadow commands us. Betrayers will die. Orokin blood will dry."

(variant) Misery: "These children will not stop us from punishing you. The Shadow commands it."

[celest needle]

Their lore is probably abandoned

no logical sense for them to exist in modern warframe

or even a mention of them in universe

[pulsar pendant]

Did Protoframes suffer as Warframes did while transforming?

[silk atlas]

They're suffering right now lol

[pulsar pendant]

Yea but they aren't transforming anymore no?

[celest needle]

slowly but surely

[pulsar pendant]

ohh so the transformation is a very very slow thing

[proper barn]

They are.

[proper barn]

Depends on what you mean by slow.

[pulsar pendant]

so it started with what?

[ocean geyser]

If you’re thinking of Flare, I doubt they fully transformed right on the Night of the Naga drums or something

[misty salmon]

for the protoframes it has been slowed down by Entrati, normal frames are usually faster, depending on Ballas' mood.

[celest needle]

Good ol Albrecht

[strange turtle]

They got given helminth injections from Albrecht, but the process is stopped before they can be fully transformed

It’s still Infestation and the specific strain intended to transform people into warframes so it still does that, but it’s slower like others said

And the progress gets reset with each loop of 1999

We know post-loop Temple will finish the transformation and joins in on the night of the naga drums, but the rest are unknown rn

Not counting Kaya because time travel

[celest needle]

The Dax seeing a 20th Century Rockstar Warframe descend upon them from a meteor and start slaughtering them in mass while shredding a guitar solo

[strange turtle]

As Flare kills their first Orokin, a final, passing sentence leaves their lips
“Omg it’s the guy from death stranding”

[celest needle]

Being a dax during the night of naga drums has to be one of the worst times of your entire life

[median maple]

Yeah. You're nothing more than meat for the meat grinder

And there's nothing you can do in the face of vengeful void devils and the rage-filled beasts they control

[celest needle]

No amount of swordfighting is going to save you from getting your blood drained as Garuda slaughters your allies and swallowed alive by Grendel and slowly digested

[median maple]

Or rather don't control because they dropped the leash and went "maul as you please"

[stiff beacon]

Nah they'll probably get more expanding on them when de decides to update their models or something

[median maple]

Yeah

Also how did they react to Stalker having a baby and presumidely moving his focus away from them to the thang?

[stiff beacon]

Hatred betrayal misery

Probably that

[celest needle]

The Dax having their mind invaded and forced to kill their allies because of Nyx

You know what would be the worst warframe to be killed by

[median maple]

Anyways my brain is back at the rotating the idea of dropping Warframes in Poland. What would happen if you let them just roam there?

Which ones would just vibe and behave and human as best as possible and which ones would end up on the news after mauling some people

[median maple]

Probably Lavos since he will douse you in all sorts of chemicals and watch their effects

[celest needle]

Dante is living peacefully

[frail mango]

||from brooding gulfs are we beheld by that which bears no name. Its heralds are the stars it fells, the sky and earth aflame||

Came across a strange Scarro line, doubt it has any actual lore stuff, but still going to put it and a non-reversed version here too

Spoiled incase you wanna try and get it and do it yourself

[tall echo]

You are late

[tacit pagoda]

i have a dumb question 😔 what exactly are conduits in disruption? read on the wiki they're asset security systems that are sold by alad v. then little duck says they're some sort of scam? because you can never pull the "shinies" out. who bought them and why are they a scam?

[restive river]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/fragments-albrecht-entrati/

[humble sierra]

Basically Alad is selling them to investors. They're like "safes" that need keys to unlock, and he's advertising them as Tenno-proof.

[restive river]

Me when i sell people a box then seal the box so good that nobody can get into it

[narrow pendant]

still find it funny how theyre on lua

[visual crag]

So I'm pretty new and just did the main quest around the hivemind family on deimos. What exactly are they? I was very confused since I was just dropped into this whole world with that hivemind family that somehow powered the frames or something with the big heart?

[narrow pendant]

at least for entrati labs they made the entire drusus & parvos narrative

[narrow pendant]

theyre the descendants of an important orokin scientist albrecht entrati who studied the void. During the old war, to fend off the infested, the orokin used bio bombs that would make the soil unuseable for both sentient and humans, the entrati family was fine as long as they stayed inside their building, however son who is interested in the infested animals eventually contaminated himself and the rest

the heart powers the entire system with void energy

[hollow blaze]

They serve as the kinda keepers of a link for our void power. Heart helps keep things going to an extent.

[narrow pendant]

according to wiki, the tenno are unaffected by it due to their deal with wally being their source, but every technology based on it like the solar rails, warframes & ships capable of voidjumps ect. require it

[humble sierra]

Should probably avoid talking about those parts since they mentioned they're new and JUST did heart of Deimos

[narrow pendant]

well i kept it cryptic enough that they cant really make out anything they dont know of yet

[visual crag]

Why exactly was there a voidmech attacking the heart? It kinda just appeared and then I killed it, it seemed like maybe the grandmother had something to do with it?

[restive river]

The tenno do not power the frames with their piece btw

[hollow blaze]

Grandmother instigated it to get the family to STOP BICKERING and it worked.

[restive river]

^^

[humble sierra]

Yes, that's exactly it. The Necramech speaks to you and it's using her voice but with a filter. She basically started the whole thing, threatening to destroy the heart and all the potential risks of that, just so the family would work together to fix it

[restive river]

If the Orokin are involved expect stupid and awful decisions

[narrow pendant]

ye ye i ment strictly their own powers

[restive river]

Yee
We ain’t voidtech, we just also use voidtech

No being a battery for us

[visual crag]

Alright that makes more sense, thank you

[narrow pendant]

were just the only ones being able to control frames without going insane eventually, outside of trauma maybe lmao

[humble sierra]

The early game stuff is definitely confusing for the sake of setting up some lore. Really, it's not until around Neptune where things are revealed to you and everything starts clicking.

[narrow pendant]

id assume using kuva to permanently transfer into a frame would also just cause the same eventual loss of self

[restive river]

The tenno werent at risk of losing their minds, rather they helped the frames that were going fetal

[narrow pendant]

yeah i ment more as in all of them being ||child soldiers and having to relive the feral frames pasts too ||

[tall echo]

You didn't pay proper attention, it's if something happens to the conduit before you can get the loot you'll never get it

[restive river]

||idk if we relived every frames past but we def helped to take away their pain, remember that Umbra was a special case||

[tall echo]

*son let in infested to give father something to kill, which eventually backfired

[restive river]

Orokin moment

[tall echo]

Backfirekin

[narrow pendant]

ye mostly ||umbra|| in our case but lore leaves it open if there were early tests with feral ones

[tall echo]

I think the whole "the orokin destroying (almost) all feral frames" thing makes it much less open

[narrow pendant]

"to take away its pain" as ballas stated leaves it possible id say

[restive river]

Yeah the gen 1 frames went feral and were scrapped
It was with the rhino with a mouth that transference and the tenno soothing them was discovered

[tall echo]

[restive river]

The gen 2 frames are less sapient, their minds repressed for tenno control

We def helped some but not all

[tall echo]

Game: "We destroyed them all"
"Yeah but maybe they didn't"

[restive river]

Jade for example is another odd case
Her tenno could have helped her but it seemed it was too soon and instead she helped them

At most I can see some frames transitioning from gen 1 to 2 being given a tenno akin to Jade and being helped but I don’t believe that’s really shown
Jade and her placement is weird tbh

She’s a gen 1 but wasn’t destroyed

[tall echo]

There were less/barely feral frames left over but no extreme cases

Kullervo, dante

[narrow pendant]

isnt it logical to think they at least tried once for a tenno to transfer into a feral one too, before realizing its a lost cause and destroying them all?

[tall echo]

We're talking about the same high int low wis orokin right

[silk atlas]

They were a lost cause before the Tenno came back.

[narrow pendant]

ah fair enough then

[restive river]

Yeah they were destroyed before the tenno

[narrow pendant]

is there any official timeline with those keypoints, bc if not the pom2 in the sanctum should include one

[restive river]

The whole rhino incident was a fluke that turned out really well

[narrow pendant]

like an actual time graph would do wonders

[restive river]

No.

We have to gleam from bits and pieces to get a glimpse at the weird puzzle that is the timeline

[tall echo]

We will get vague "before/after" time frames and we will like it

[silk atlas]

It's pretty plain in The Sacrifice if we're talking just about the WFs and Tenno.
"All of them, failures. We committed them to the grave" into "The Tenno came back"

[restive river]

We know the feral frames happened, did an insurrection and were destroyed (Sacrifice, Dante Leverian)
Later the tenno came and helped out (Rhino Prime codex, way too much other stuff to source here)

The sacrifice does lay it out pretty clear yeah

[restive river]

I do like it, numbers are dumb

[tall echo]

Numbers remove freedom

My opinion on mumbers is a 0/10

:(

[silk atlas]

And yet you still number smh

[narrow pendant]

guh "to take away its pain" while the gen2's minds are repressed enough makes a bit less sense but seems to be the case then

[restive river]

My opinion on minders is a x7¿-r/Zy^6.v

[tall echo]

There's still some conciousness

[tall echo]

Minders

[silk atlas]

There is functionally no difference between "gen1" and "gen2" anyway. The only difference here is that Tenno can help calm them.

[restive river]

Yeah they’re still in there, they still need their pain taken away lol

[narrow pendant]

were the gen2s still able to move or are they like our frames, being statues until transferred into

[restive river]

Also maybe the bolts but we will never get concrete anything on those

[celest needle]

How many concepts do you guys think survived into the Orokin era?

[tall echo]

Yes

[restive river]

We use gen2s now

[silk atlas]

People keep actingly like they suddenly started to make Warframes in some completely different way after the Tenno came back.

[tall echo]

Polyamory

Polyarmory?

[celest needle]

Besides that

What music could have survived

[tall echo]

The concept of gender didn't quite survive

[restive river]

Clearly not On-Lyne smh

[restive river]

It’s a construct anyway

[tall echo]

Rare orokin W

[narrow pendant]

well we know the religion of dualism has been around in 1999 and whenever the devils triad takes place

[restive river]

That didnt last though, the Orokin went away with dualism in favor of the vain faith

[celest needle]

Daughter keeps playing that CD on repeat how has she not gone mental yet

[restive river]

They rather view themselves as gods over some celestial bodies

[tall echo]

-# I'm still struggling to figure out what I actually identify as halp meh

[tall echo]

A good song never dies

[silk atlas]

Warframes regardless of when they're made were able to move by themselves anyway, they all just went insane for the most part if they didn't have some strong emotional reason to otherwise. Frankly I'd just chalk them up to being statues as a gameplay thing atp

[restive river]

CAUSE SHES LISTENING TO A BOP

[narrow pendant]

so i assume names for the astral bodies of the sun and moon were kept since thats what they were known as

[restive river]

Its def not just a gameplay thing

Yeah

[tall echo]

How often did I reference that song now

[celest needle]

Beats to get your ass beaten to by the worst designed boss fight in the game

[restive river]

Huh??? The coda fight is fun

Worst fight goes to lantern zealoid

[celest needle]

Try playing it with a frame that isn't survival based or has high shields instead of HP

[narrow pendant]

those that were the original human injected with the helminth id assume were able to move i assume but since were cloning them in their late stages i assume its accurate that theyre inanimate until we share minds via transference

[silk atlas]

Nah that's not the case because Umbra.

[narrow pendant]

umbra is a specific exception to turture him for trying to snitch on ballas

[silk atlas]

He's not special in the department of having whatever is left of his mind still in there from being replicated in the foundry

Is what I'm getting at

[tall echo]

Skill issue

Also use your necramech

[narrow pendant]

id disagree since he can act on his own when you are in operator/necramech, no other frame we have access to can do that

[celest needle]

1. Yes

2. No

I hate gas damage so much

[tall echo]

Yes skill no issue?

[celest needle]

Yes skill issue

No necramech

[tall echo]

Use your mech, they can genuinely trivialize the coda

[silk atlas]

Yeah and if DE weren't cowards they would've given us the Umbra Helminth Adapter to let us do it with everyone else

[tall echo]

My bonewidow takes out like 3/5ths of their hp in one hit

[tall echo]

Only once here apparently btw

[celest needle]

I've been using a voidrig since 2 months ago that I've ignored since Caliban Prime came out

[tall echo]

Unignore it

[silk atlas]

And we know there are frames that can act without Operators anyway that aren't Umbra so something like Dante or Kullervo just standing completely still baffles me at times

[tall echo]

Mechs are busted

[tall echo]

We don't have the originals

[silk atlas]

Yeah but aren't we making exact copies of the originals?

[narrow pendant]

the way i see it, all except umbra, jade and stalker's minds eventually go numb. were making copies of them in their numb state

[silk atlas]

Dante, Kullervo

[celest needle]

Necraloid grinding is something I do not look forward to

[tall echo]

Guessing not absolute 1 to 1

[tall echo]

It's easy and optional

[celest needle]

Conjuring and Self-Loathing

[silk atlas]

That I find stupid hard to believe if it can replicate memories

[tall echo]

Stop looking for excuses and engage with the mechanics coward

[tall echo]

Ye but not by default

[silk atlas]

It's a blueprint, it just copies whatever the blueprint says

[narrow pendant]

well their idles surviving through cloning would be the only remnants of their personality that the tenno can choose to replicate or not

[tall echo]

Blueprint says no memories

[silk atlas]

Unless they somehow found a way to lobotomize the frames after they already did (Which the Orokin did say they struggled with)

[tall echo]

Remember, the orokin are great at memory editing

So many typos

[celest needle]

Getting The Hex to rank 5 was easy but man doing it everyday is a chore that drained an evening [only 25K standing per day]

[tall echo]

Unlike hex you can get 3 of the best standing item per run for necraloid

Which is worth 5k

[narrow pendant]

necraloid also has only 3 tiers instead of 5

[tall echo]

And necraloid is only 3 ranks

[silk atlas]

I guess that would then go into how they make the blueprints because Ordis very much couldn't just say "hold the memories" on that front with Umbra.

[tall echo]

Get a resource booster for the void traces tho

[tall echo]

Orokin tech that ordis doesn't have

[celest needle]

Didn't we reconstruct Umbra with [ a bit] of his memories

[tall echo]

Sentence structure confuses

[narrow pendant]

id assume regular blueprints are for tenno use so they conveniently edited their memories out, in the case of umbra we scanned his remnants to make an exact copy

[silk atlas]

Oh screw you werido mode Ordis.

[tall echo]

Ha

[narrow pendant]

"brutalized their minds" whatever he ment with that

well, thats still referring to the generation of warframest hat were feral

[silk atlas]

They all would've gone feral if not for the Tenno

That part doesn't change, at least

[narrow pendant]

the way i see it, with the exception of umbra, once built via blueprint, no memories

specifically for the case of the frames who's lore stated they had still awareness like dante, dagath, kullervo and jade, the rest either were numb or turned numb over time and copies remain numb

this contradicts what was said earlier, as tenno did get in contact with feral frames, some were still researched on, in the case of rhino via torture

[silk atlas]

It's more so everyone (Davis even mentions this) would've thought that was a stupid idea before he went and tried it

It's not like "Oh yeah we have these weird Void kids from some freak accident, let's just throw them together with the weird insane metal zombies and that'll magically solve our issue with them"

Lord knows what else they were researching in there anyway

[narrow pendant]

i was referring to a point made earlier that claimed all feral frames were destroyed before the tenno came back from the zariman

[silk atlas]

Ah, yeah

[narrow pendant]

Clueless

[brittle siren]

I heard someone said that Nidus Prime is purely infested and has no host, is that true?

[woven coyote]

lol

[brittle siren]

I also heard that Nidus is also kinda like Helminth 2.0, just kinda

[woven coyote]

sure just like that wiki screenshot above saying the tenno were put into the reservoir after they found out about how we calm frames, that totally won't be disproven by the next update at all

[woven coyote]

and atlas punched a whole moon

[brittle siren]

So which one is true?

[woven coyote]

none

[woven coyote]

honestly thought you were in on it and joking about it

[brittle siren]

Like Nidus barely has any lore

Why does this guy somehow make a whole paragraph about it

[woven coyote]

pure fanfic

also if that is youtube most of the "lore" there is fanfic without proper diferentiation

[brittle siren]

Watching Nidus Prime trailer is so funny

Infested: Look, a new friend
Nidus: scream and pull out Strun Prime

[woven coyote]

if it's that i have something better than a flimsy wiki article

actual quotes

so yeah twice we have quotes on the orokin discarding the "first" generation of warframes
but kullervo's crimes put him in direct interaction with the tenno
rhino too if we consider that to actually be rhino anyway

[narrow pendant]

ExcalThumbsUp

[lunar tulip]

Tenno, how are you beating this?
https://youtu.be/vlHPqmTp-JM

(Irontomb/something on the level of Irontomb)

[old dome]

idk why i just realized it now but minerva is very much a "femme fatale" type of character... i wonder if the others fit a specific trope...

i know that quincy & arthur fit the "tall dark & handsome" trope, amir is the "nerdy comedic relief guy" trope, idk about the others...

[restive river]

Rhino Prime Codex go brrrr

[silk atlas]

Manic pixie dream girl for Aoi is tossed around commonly

[lunar tulip]

She's what-

[dark compass]

Spam down with dual tox next question

[old dome]

yeah... "magical girl" also works for her i think

bc now that i think about it, she really does remind me of the protagonists in mahou shoujou animanga — its the bubbly optimism & figuring shit out as she goes.

[hazy prism]

Velimir is the "Big Guy", Quincy is also a "Lancer" to Arthur especially within the context of the Hex
Aoi I would argue is the heart before the drifter shows up and basically takes over that role, regardless she is a very typical "Genki Girl"

[hazy prism]

serious answer, probably only full power Wally/indifference has the power to really fight against anything on the tier of Irontomb
joke answer, Revenant (can't be killed, thus it is a matter of time before Revenant wins)

[dark compass]

Powerscaling sukks

[hazy prism]

it does, and it's worse when you have to do it between 2 different franchises

[bright temple]

It can be fun if done well but most don’t do it well

[hazy prism]

IMO it really works when you're doing it with things that have a similar scale to begin with, but also people just throw words when doing it to the point it becomes meaningless

[dark compass]

Powerscalers when there's an old person telling a story from their past (there are zero on screen feats)

[lean garden]

tf is an irontomb

is it one of them archons of the path or whatever you call the bigwig at the end

[hazy prism]

Irontomb is an "Emanator" from the game HSR, they're specifically one Emanator that follows the path of destruction (it's trying to kill the Aeon/God of erudition)

[lean garden]

oh so irontomb aint an aeon

[celest needle]

Power Scalers when I show them their power bill

[mystic lynx]

i got this massage after leaving Baro and when reversed it says
"Carrion hordes trill their profane accord with eldritch plans. To cosmic form tangent planes, we end as we began"
what is Baro talking about here?

[bright temple]

It is a part of the Requiem poem as recited by Albretch, as for context Baro made a deal with the Indifference to collapse all alternate timeline versions of himself into one

what we're seeing seems to be the consequences of that deal

[mystic lynx]

thx

[celest needle]

He got Indifference'd

[dire mountain]

[lunar tulip]

Almost

[lunar tulip]

It's actually said to be above an Emanator by the point it was "born" due to the cycles

[lunar tulip]

Technically Revenant can't win even as a joke because Irontomb has a ragequit mechanic (in-game) where you lose the battle if you take too long

Ok, forget powerscaling, who's worse, the Corpus, or the IPC?

[hazy prism]

the IPC, cause screw them for doing all that to Boothill

[lunar tulip]

Well, with the sheer scale they take up they've already done worse than the Corpus by default

[old dome]

...ipc bc its universe-wide, not just a single planet. its every planet.

corpus is like the ipc in their beginner phases.

also can someone explain minerva & velimir's reaction to learning that rusalka was possessed & driven to insanity...? bc. i dont get it.

they spent however long worrying & fretting over her and even sent her a cryptic message only to then just go "🤷🏻‍♀️ well thats that."

[hollow siren]

The sole reason they are in Höllvania and took the Helminth injections was to look for her

[old dome]

yes,, but i meant their message in isleweaver

it just feels so. out of character for both of them...

[hollow siren]

ah right

yeah just re-read them and they are a bit sudden

[old dome]

its just. i cant tell if they stopped caring or they accepted it too quickly... either way its confusing me.

[pale cedar]

Nothing about the message showed a lack of care quite the opposite actually

[old dome]

the sudden quick acceptance is confusing to me then,, especially after everything theyve said...

[strange plinth]

the isleweaver convo is a confirmation of rusalka's situation. a decent portion of their regular dialogue arc is understanding that rusalka might already be gone

[old dome]

ig i was choosing the wrong dialogue options then.

[hollow siren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/u4va5cMKgv

[south sun]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Kinemantik_Instant_Messenger/Minerva,_Velimir#Isleweaver
😛

[lean garden]

^

they know that their girl is all grown up

[restive river]

Swallowed up by that thing

[lean garden]

they just want to know whats her status

and so once you confirm her status, all they can do is trust that she's fighting on the inside, or big balling and working with it

[celest needle]

I know its very unimportant, but what ya'll think the lore of Baruuk is.

[hollow siren]

He seems tied to the Quills at least visually and thematically

It's unknown how long the Quills have existed; if they were followers of the Unum during the Orokin era or if they came about after the Collapse

but if Baruuk has ties to them that would moreso imply the former

we know the Unum had some hand in Revenant Prime (or at least The Warden if that's what he originally looked like), so it's not impossible to imagine she could have a Quill be framed

[lean garden]

which makes it funny because isnt he a 'tuna frame?

[hollow siren]

He's sold by LD, yeah, but to me that reads more like her connections with The Quills

Hildryn seems more thematically tied to Vox Solaris specifically

[lean garden]

LD: Whats up you muckity mucks Im just going to "borrow" this monk
Quills: Hey wait you ca-
Unum: Bet

[hollow siren]

Either that or Baruuk just showed up in Fortuna one day and the Quills were like

https://tenor.com/view/my-goals-are-beyond-your-understanding-reverse-flash-eobard-thawne-the-flash-gif-16637212

[humble sierra]

Just realized there's a Europa node called Orias, like the Starfinder campaign

[restive river]

Does the campaign take place there

[humble sierra]

Seems so.

Operation: Orias features four familiar Protoframes from The Hex as playable characters: Arthur, Aoi, Amir and Lettie. Tasked with rescuing a spy from a Corpus research facility on Europa, you'll battle Warframe's various enemy factions while enjoying its power fantasy in a novel new format.

The node is also a rescue mission

[patent cargo]

almost seems like that was intentional...

[north jolt]

Bro just wants to chill but people keep wanting to throw hands with him cause they're jealous of his aura

[north jolt]

Unrelated but I kinda want some eternalism bs to happen to bring the original Warden, as he was before being corrupted, to our timeline. DE probably won't nor shouldn't do this but I still kinda want it

[dark compass]

They could always make some sort of "unum trials" thing, repurpose the new war tileset for the tower with some new stuff thrown in and let us grind it for the warden. Vallis undermind but Cetus

And instead of Nef Anyo crashing out it'll be Vay Hek (or Tyl for a change)

[ocean geyser]

SPOOKY BARO ISN’T THE REAL BARO

in hope this wasn’t talked about already

[lean garden]

think it was already talked about in #spoiler-chat

[ocean geyser]

I see

On another note, has anyone reversed the audio of baro yapping so that it’d play forwards?

[dark compass]

It's just void poems from the nekralisk

[ocean geyser]

That’s not why I’m asking

I just want to hear him say it normally

[round remnant]

How did you get that?

[ocean geyser]

In my inbox, where else?

[stray gale]

rusalka in general was a weird fumble imo

it feels like the story didn't give a toss whatsoever

hey so that leader woman who had so much prominence in the trailer? she's being possessed by wally! anyway, moving on

[round remnant]

Ah ok

[lean garden]

"anyway, moving on" like it didnt have a whole operation dedicated to the aftermath of having her be possessed by wally

[hollow siren]

Considering how in the 1999 showcase her lines were different and implied she was working for Albrecht, it seems she went through some late changes

[stray gale]

yeah, thats a possibility

I definitely get the feeling they didnt get rusalka the way they wanted her

she feels strangely generic in her mission control voicelines, like the writers were flipping through the book of villainess tropes

she has the "we can rule this city together, spiderman" lines, she has the "woe is me, it's been real hard" lines, she has the SHODAN-style "i'll step you >:)" lines of varying flirtatiousness, it feels a bit of a mess

if someone told me that they couldnt finalise a direction for her and then ran out of time then i'd probably believe that

[hollow siren]

Wally just cycling through his cards seeing what works

[lean garden]

the showcase as in the demo?

[hollow siren]

The Tennocon 2024 showcase

the playable demo had the finalized lines

wait did the demo even have her I can't remember

https://youtu.be/Yi0fgygNwvk?si=zViLAnHTV1Dy4DO1

"A slug dares to show its face at night? Didn't the bastard Doktor warn you? I've an order: Kill. On. Sight."

[lean garden]

yea thats what I know

which made me confused to why you thought it was implied she was working for albrecht

because that line doesnt really let you know which way it goes

but also, I dont seem to see a difference between the tennocon 24 demo and the actual demo and then the finalised quest in terms of her lines

[strange turtle]

That sounds more like she knows/believes we’re working for him

[lean garden]

in terms of like, intent

theres a change in phrasing but it remains the same: a reference to entrati, kill on sight

[hollow siren]

"The Doktor's dashing patient-zero in the flesh? Shame, but my Scaldra have their orders: Kill. On. Sight."

That's the finalized lines in full release

[lean garden]

yes but like, the juxtaposition between the finalised lines and the showcase lines, uh, doesnt really seem to hint at a change of direction for neci

[hollow siren]

yeah true, my initial assumption was more that Albrecht had like sent out a warning that if they broke the curfew then his major Rusalka would go after them

like his warning was that Neci had her orders

[lean garden]

and funny enough, in actuality entrati did once jig it with the scaldra according to the comics

problem is that he was doing the jig on everyone so even the scaldies are mad

[ocean geyser]

Albrecht moment

[ocean geyser]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1oSaQRTphYk

Someone played it forwards

[tall echo]

Yeah multiple people did

[restive river]

You don’t really like
Need to, it’d just the requiems lol

I wonder how many were freaking out and just didnt know we had these in game already in two different places

[pale cedar]

They didn’t read the writing on the walls

[restive river]

Tbf Albrecht has terrible hand writing

[heady quest]

so like is Baro gonna be more and more involved in the lore?

are we finally gonna get his proper introduction quest? Like how they did teshin with the teacher quest?

[stiff beacon]

Maybe, could be interesting pulling up to one of his parties for like a heist or a murder mystery

[pale cedar]

Was Sands of Inaros not enough?

[heady quest]

i mean like an actual introduction. Wasn't he part of some old event back in the day, like an important character to something?

[pale cedar]

He was mentioned in the Cryotic front operation but wasn't seen

[ocean geyser]

Again I just wanted to hear Baro specifically say it

[pulsar pendant]

what is exactly On-Lyne?

[proper barn]

boy band.

[pulsar pendant]

i know it's a band, and they're infested/techrot?

[proper barn]

well they have techrot clones.

[pulsar pendant]

ohh

[proper barn]

cuz the recod company wanted more controllable

labor

[pulsar pendant]

and techrot made the clones themselves?

so the songs are from the techrot or the normal boy band?

[restive river]

O ye
That is nice :)

[ocean geyser]

Both
And no, the clones were made by the government and their company

[pulsar pendant]

i thought techrot was from Albrecht originally

[ocean geyser]

But because they were made using Techrot, that went bad quickly

[ocean geyser]

No????

Why do people keep thinking this

The Techrot is basically the earliest strain of the infestation we know of
Nobody made it
It just showed up

[pulsar pendant]

ohhh

[dark compass]

It's the main reason the nuke is here

[pale cedar]

Cuz Scaldra use it as propaganda

[restive river]

The game doesn’t do a good job at saying it tbh, I was looking in the market and there’s the albrecht display that shifts based on possession and the smiling version of him is with the techrot

[restive river]

Mostly this lol

[ocean geyser]

Propaganda so strong even we think it’s real

[restive river]

Thanks Russalka/Wally

[pale cedar]

It didn't work on me because I already knew 1999 was the plague year anyway

Nothing Albrecht could've done to cause it since it predates Orokin

[restive river]

Mire?

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[proper barn]

well

and the Whispers logs.

[dark compass]

I caused it sorry

[pale cedar]

The Techrot?

[dark compass]

Yeah

[restive river]

Oh ok

[pale cedar]

Somebody nuke this person

[restive river]

Are you named Lephantis?

[dark compass]

Lephantits

The microwave caught mold

[pale cedar]

Female Lephantis?

[proper barn]

huh

nuclera goes by they/them

[dark compass]

Yeah you have a problem with that

[proper barn]

no?

this is kinda funny to me for you to say that cuz i am the one that actively corrects people on temple and xaku lmaao

[dark compass]

I do that a lot as well

We can start a club

[pale cedar]

Pretty sure that's something we all do in here

[proper barn]

i wouldn't say a lot but sometimes a lot of people are repective here. you can't play a game where you beat cthulut with the power of old man yaoi without having a cool community.

[dark compass]

I don't mean this server specifically

But yeah I get your point

[proper barn]

yee.

[celest needle]

WE COME ALIVE UNDER THE NEON GLOW 🗣️

No matter how many times I fight them I never get tired of the music

[dark compass]

Speaking of

Temple is objectively the worst frame to fight Codas with

Lizzie drowns out the music :(

[pulsar pendant]

THE PARTY OF YOUR LIFETIME

[celest needle]

Battle of the bands

[pulsar pendant]

yes that music is a banger

[dark compass]

Back to lore

I hope Alad V is alive

[pulsar pendant]

is he?

[proper barn]

maybe

probably even.

[pulsar pendant]

i don't think so, atleast his part of him

[celest needle]

Please let him stay dead his arc is so drawn out

[pulsar pendant]

Infestation took over

[celest needle]

My man is a relic of 2014-2021 warframe

[silk atlas]

He got better, you see him in The New War

[dark compass]

He died like 5 times and the last time he exploded in new war

[celest needle]

Before dying

[pulsar pendant]

wait that's him after?

or before

[silk atlas]

After

Necessarily after.

[celest needle]

In tubemen of regor he gets cured of the infestation

[dark compass]

This madman actually cured his infestation and there was an event for it

[pulsar pendant]

oh did he cure the infestation?

[blazing notch]

Okay, so from my understanding Nightcap is being kept alive or in some sort of zombie state from the mushrooms, and while he chooses not to leave, he doesn't realize he'd die if he actually tries. Am I getting that right?

[silk atlas]

Yeah there was an event

[dark compass]

Yeah

[dark compass]

Yeah

[celest needle]

yes and that's why Tyl Regor is so pissed at you since you killed all of his tubemen

[pulsar pendant]

oh

also a random question who the hell is the Cephalon from Atlas's quest?

forgor the name

[celest needle]

Cephalon Jordas

[pulsar pendant]

yes that

i never really understood him nor the quest

he is never really talked about

ever

[pale cedar]

Cuz he's not that important

[pulsar pendant]

yea i know, but like everything in Warframe has lore right? so does he no?

[dark compass]

1. Alad gets shot in the assassination
2. Alad gets beaten up by The Wolf
3. Alad gets acolytes sent after his ass
4. Alad succumbs to infestation
5. Alad gets shot in the assassination (again)
6. Alad gets cured from the infestation and explodes in old war

If turns out he survived the explosion it would be the funniest shit ever

[pale cedar]

He wasn't on the ship

[dark compass]

You know it was very unclear

Either way I hope we will see him again and get to kill him again

[pale cedar]

Alad was controlling a fleet not just one ship

[dark compass]

And he survived again

Next time we will meet him as a narmer goon

[pale cedar]

Alad definitely isn't dead
DE rarely kill off characters permanently

[dark compass]

Yeah but none of them had as many near death situations or straight up assassinations as Alad

[pale cedar]

Killing off a character permanently means means making replayable missions becomes a harder task

[dark compass]

Today he is in the mutalist mood, tomorrow he's here for you to get killed alongside zanuka

[pale cedar]

The first time you face Alad you sort of see he survived

He's crying on the floor once you finish the task

[pulsar pendant]

just watched some lore video, Cephalon Jordas was a ship Cephalon which ship got attacked by the Infestation, didn't know Infestation could infect data itself

[dark compass]

I would be too knowing I'm in an infinite loop of repeating various deaths and near death experiences

[pulsar pendant]

Techrot infects data tho

[dark compass]

Cephalons are glassed brains, not true AI

So it would work either way

[pulsar pendant]

true

it's scary how strong the Infestation is

[pale cedar]

Cephalons are just advanced computers

[pulsar pendant]

and is a giant organism that can communicate with itself, doesn't matter if it's 1999 or now

Lizzie is the same as Helminth in your ship kind of

it's one thing

[dark compass]

Yeah it's just a part of it

One big collective consciousness

[pulsar pendant]

that's the scary thing about it

[pale cedar]

Mutalist strain is known to be able to infest machinery

[dark compass]

Timeless, even

[pulsar pendant]

how is Nidus free then?

and every other frame

[pale cedar]

You is how

[pulsar pendant]

oh right

[pale cedar]

Tenno are directly immune to the Infestation and calm Warframes

[pulsar pendant]

only ones that are not infested are like Revenant, Caliban and that's it no?

and Xaku

[dark compass]

Caliban is infested

[pale cedar]

All Warframes are Infested with Helminth strain

[pulsar pendant]

i thought Revenant is build from Eidolon remains only

[pale cedar]

No

[pulsar pendant]

Caliban is sentient, and Xaku is bones

[dark compass]

Caliban is a hybrid

[pulsar pendant]

oh right

[pale cedar]

Caliban is an Amalgum

[dark compass]

Xaku is made out of separate warframes combined with void energy

[pulsar pendant]

so the strain is like transmitter for Tennos to use?

and control

[pale cedar]

Caliban Prime was made by Orokin and Sentients having a peace treaty and working together

[dark compass]

And Revenant is a frame merely infused with eidolon juice

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[pulsar pendant]

yea seeing Primed Sentients is weird

[dark compass]

Pretty much no exceptions otherwise

Edge cases are all infested as well

[pulsar pendant]

and Necramech?

iirc Mechs aren't infested

[dark compass]

See that skull sticking out

[pulsar pendant]

yep

it has a brain?

or a strain?

[pale cedar]

Mechs werent made using humans

[dark compass]

I think it's supposed to be a very primitive attempt at merging people with the so called sword steel

[pulsar pendant]

well if the Infestation is a whole giant organism, why is Hellminth our friend?

[dark compass]

Because we can tame parts of it i guess

[pulsar pendant]

lmaoo

like Lizzie then

[dark compass]

It calls us a demon

[dark compass]

Lizzie is Helminth

[pulsar pendant]

yes

[dark compass]

So basically, yeah

[pulsar pendant]

Helminth doesn't like the devil childs no?

whenever u try to go near his door, he won't open it with Drifter/Operator, the light shuts off

[pale cedar]

("We fear nothing but the Void demon.")

[pulsar pendant]

yes exactly

i like how Hell is Void in Warframe

[dark compass]

Imagine being a creature of boundless timeless mind and body and having some teen invade a chunk of you and take control

[pulsar pendant]

and Devils are Tennos

or demons

[ashen pulsar]

That’s why I use backrooms so I can scare helminth

[pulsar pendant]

lmaoo

[pale cedar]

Infestation had a panic attack when Wally went to Deimos

[pulsar pendant]

weird that Infestation doesn't go down the lab

[ashen pulsar]

I mean it wouldn’t be in the necralisk if son didn’t fk up

[pulsar pendant]

also how is there another dimension under/in Deimos? like wth

[ashen pulsar]

Loid just doesn’t do that either

[pale cedar]

It isn't weird they fear Wally and Murmur are fragments of Wally

[ashen pulsar]

Void

[pulsar pendant]

oh ofc

[ashen pulsar]

Seamless transition between void to lab and back

[pulsar pendant]

now it makes sense

so Infestation isn't a friend of the Void either, but u see it infest Orokin/Void towers tho

[pale cedar]

Infestation fear the Void cuz they can't do anything to it which isn't good when you want to be an all consuming force

[ashen pulsar]

The real weird thing is how necraloid gets from otak’s spot to the top of the lab

[pale cedar]

He's just faster than Titania trust

[pulsar pendant]

aren't there more copies of him? 1 for Otak, 1 upper Loid and 1 lab Loid

and 1 real Loid lol

[dark compass]

There are more necraloids that aren't loids

[pale cedar]

It's the same Necraloid

[pulsar pendant]

oh

they tp i guess

stole Titania's augment

[pale cedar]

He just moves around

If he had legs he'd have the record for most steps ever

[pulsar pendant]

he isn't really fast when u protect him in the Vault

[dark compass]

Necraloid with moa legs

[pulsar pendant]

that would be funny

if Limbo is in the Rift while in the Void, is he in the Void or in the Rift?

and if he would be in the Rift while also in the Void, isn't he protected from all the dangers in the Void?

Limbo makes ur brain funny

[dark compass]

Limbo is in the middle

Like a thin membrane between both

[pulsar pendant]

Limbo and Protea make ur head hurt

if one Limbo freezes enemies in the Rift, does it count for all the other Limbos?

if u have like 4 different Cataclysms next to eachother

[dark compass]

Rift state is universal and shared, yeah

[pulsar pendant]

he's hella confusing

[celest needle]

You know I feel like Jupiter should be post sacrifice and the ropalyst a requirement for the new war

[brittle siren]

Very interesting

[whole dagger]

Can someone bring an explanation between the original strand of each frame and protoframes, according to albrecht notes is understood that each protoframes is their respective warframes due to albrecht using the specific batch of said frame from the future.

Also, I heard someone mention that the people used to make the individual warframes are the protoframes, which would be a paradox in itself. But it would lead to what flare says about temple.

Can someone explain, or know something that I missed?

[woven coyote]

Albrecht brought the batches of helminth to the past, that makes the protoframes
This does NOT mean they become the warframes in the future because the warframes were not found in the future they were made in the future

Even with flare it still isnt a paradox, ballas designed the "temple" batch but never actually made/applied it (apparently for gfear it would be too rebelious) then albrecht grabs that designed batch, brings it to the past and brings it to flare, we happen, kim happens, flare with kaya's help basically hybernates on a commet that went out of the origin system and would only come back for the one day we killed the orokin so while they become the first temple, they don't become the origin of the batch albrecht took to the past

[past halo]

So let me get this straight, the evil Baro we traded suddenly vanished and the real Baro said he wasn't there because his ship had an engine malfunction. If that's true, that leaves one very important question:

who the hell was that guy

[silk atlas]

Probably Wally

[past halo]

This is a question that's going to keep me up for days

[tall echo]

Wally

[dry cobalt]

Wally

[tall echo]

If you have to ask "who" the odds that it's wally increase by 50% for each letter

[humble sierra]

I don't think it's Wally. I think RedBaro is Baro's version of Drifter. What if Baro was unable to leave the void, just like how the Operator and Drifter can't exist in the same space?

[dry cobalt]

I do not think... okay are you being sarcastic? Or did all of new war and Duviri fly over your head?

[silk atlas]

He's not being sarcastic I remember that much

[humble sierra]

Like that part in New War where it's shown Drifter and Operator can't co-exist in the same space for long?

[dry cobalt]

Okay then... I don't have enough autism to spare for this. Have fun 😂

[silk atlas]

Yeah but funny enough there's someone who's having this exact same convo in a different server so lemme just pull up their argument for it not being some kind of Drifter-Baro hold on

[humble sierra]

Ah, good point

It was more of a technical malfunction rather than physically being unable to enter

But I mean the EvilBaro is hardly acting like Wally too

That's the big thing for me, he doesn't seem remotely as malicious/mocking as Wally does. Wally's never really shown fear

[silk atlas]

Wally can put on a really good act, like he did in The Hex when possessing Rusulka and beating up Albrecht

[humble sierra]

That lasted for 10 seconds and it was to mostly mock Albrecht

If at any point Baro called us "Kiddo" it would be damning but I'm just not seeing any of the hate Wally has in his lines

It sounds more like he's a victim and is now apathetic, like how Eleanor described how she felt after seeing him in the Void

[celest needle]

Ok what is the technology level of 1999

The fact that they can just make clones before even the 21st century is something

[dark compass]

Alt history and whatever

Secret government projects and other funky conspiracy stuff

[silk atlas]

It's just Techrot gussied up like the boyband

[dark compass]

Yeah they got techrot to experiment with

Government did have a project though

[dry cobalt]

Wally is called the indifference because he doesn't care. About anyone or anything besides expanding the sandbox he has to play in. That's why he's constantly trying to expand his influence beyond the void

[humble sierra]

He very much does care, he absolutely hates the Orokin and Albrecht. He's called the Great Indifference because that's what he makes you