lore-discussion

[restive river]

???
We have to go back in to unlock more, it’s not all at once??

[hidden glade]

*what does that even mean *

[humble sierra]

The present Tau is coming next year

[restive river]

Again, would you say this all about 1999?

Operator’s side to this story will be just as important if not more than 1999

Drifter learned how to love
Operator already has that, so now they gear up for what’s next

[raven oar]

1999 is not all that traumatic for the drifter he saves them

[restive river]

The Kim convos mean nothing ig

[humble sierra]

I believe Adrian Bott (the lead writer) said something about how the Drifter has reasons for going to Tau, which is directly to follow Entrati, and Old Peace will provide the Operator with one

[restive river]

Like literally talking about their trauma just didn’t happen, apparently

Also
Operator’s trauma contains useful information and skills? Thats been a constant theme for them??

[patent cargo]

space trauma is basically the name of the game lmao

[restive river]

They were sealed because trauma but that also sealed their power
We’re breaking those seals and it’s going to hurt but we’ll get stronger

[humble sierra]

Yeah the message is "just because it hurts doesn't mean you should lock it away. Share it, learn from it"

[restive river]

We’re fighting the biggest foe we have ever gone against
Idc how much Trauma I gotta slog through to get a giant void sword to cut down the dude behind the death of every adult on the Zariman

[hidden glade]

Drifter may have not got trauma from 1999, even though watching soon-to-be-loved-ones die repeatedly for a few years is pretty horrible, but they still caused an entire space-bound island to form from their trauma and never really got a chance to work it out

[restive river]

In a way we’re unlocking trauma caused by Wally to defeat Wally, as we wouldn’t be going to war if he didn’t do what he did

[restive river]

They did though, with the Hex!
They talk about their trauma!!

[humble sierra]

We are literally fighting Indifference. Lotus said it best.

"I will not let It devour one instant of my pain. Not even Ballas. Not even the Jade Light."

[restive river]

This is the void and trauma arc

Well every arc is kinda trauma but
This one more so!

We’re unbreaking seals we clearly shouldn’t
We’re talking about what happened to us
All to get stronger to stop him

[raven oar]

To stop him he feeds off this this just makes the operator more vulnerable to his influence

[restive river]

Where are you even pulling this from

[humble sierra]

Correct, Wally now has more things to torment the operator with, but completely avoiding their trauma isn't the answer either

That was part of the point with the Hex

[raven oar]

He is the indifference it is do i need to say more

[hidden glade]

trauma can create inaction, inaction brings defeat, facing trauma brings growth and strength

[humble sierra]

He's called the Indifference because he makes people hollow

[restive river]

I guess we just shouldn’t do anything or progress as people

[raven oar]

I am not saying that

[celest needle]

Is Kuva edible

[hidden glade]

the Indifference is frankly quite inaccurate for a name to depict his own actions. the name alone doesnt really prove any points

[humble sierra]

He isn't indifferent himself nor is he the very concept of indifference

[restive river]

We can drink it so

[humble sierra]

Yeah

[strange plinth]

i mean, we drink it in war within
if you pick consume

[restive river]

If anything he’s maybe the concept of entropy?

[celest needle]

How does it taste though

[humble sierra]

Imma guess coppery

And bitter

[restive river]

Like year old milk

[humble sierra]

And after drinking it you feel a bit of fear

[strange plinth]

its more of something he does rather than a descriptor of him, i think?
makes people indifferent
the only times he's actually described as being indifferent is a couple of eleanor's chats, i think

[restive river]

Its like condensed milk mixed with seltzer water

[humble sierra]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, he turns people hollow and feel worthless

[lilac aspen]

One of Wally’s things is indifference
By locking away the trauma, you’re playing directly into that concept.

By pulling up our trauma, we’re going to try healthily move on from it instead of just avoiding it

[restive river]

Like I’m not sure what the alternative suggestion would even be here

[humble sierra]

Yeah as lotus said

"I will not let It devour one instant of my pain. Not even Ballas. Not even the Jade Light."

[restive river]

Ignore our trauma and just fight wally with same old same old?

[humble sierra]

The moral of Warframe's story is that traumatic memories gives you really big swords

[strange plinth]

ah hell yeah

[restive river]

I can attest
Addressing my trauma gave me a cool sword

[lilac aspen]

The bigger the trauma
The bigger the sword clearly

[celest needle]

Trauma makes you an interesting npc for a series of world altering events

[restive river]

Naramon confirmed the most traumatized school

[humble sierra]

Zenurik might just turn you into a nuke

I'm deeply hoping Madurai gives you a Kamehameha

[lilac aspen]

Madurai better give us a spirit bomb or that, yeah

[restive river]

Isn’t Unairu a hammer?

[humble sierra]

Yep

[restive river]

I want it to be a big hammer

[celest needle]

So
Is warframe just the f2p ninja addiction simulator to say “go to therapy “

[restive river]

Biggest hammer…

[restive river]

Ye

[strange plinth]

somewhat lol

[humble sierra]

It's slightly larger than Fragor I think

[restive river]

Alternatively Warframe can BE your therapy if you try hard enough!

[humble sierra]

A single slam attack too I think, but then it drops energy health and ammo

[lilac aspen]

“I got better.”
“Why?”
“Because it’s what they would have wanted me to do.”
Warframe playing in the background

[restive river]

That makes me think we’ll maybe get two versions of the ults, one usable and the other a big cutscene??
Idk we’ll see lol

[humble sierra]

Warframe unironically wants me to take care of myself

[lilac aspen]

Doom Eternal Hammer?!

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-doom-eternal-the-ancient-gods-doom-eternal-the-ancient-gods-part-2-the-ancient-gods-gif-7202521299716269625

[restive river]

Warframe goty

[humble sierra]

I'm thinking we'll be stuck with Naramon for the quest for the sake of destroying the big gun

[raven oar]

You can't fight wally with your new void abilities the only way to fight him is with love albrecht has said it himself and i don't think there is much love there do you

[restive river]

Same

[lilac aspen]

Yes and no

[humble sierra]

Well I love my sword so screw that

[celest needle]

“Now it's time to get worse.”
Braton Vandal farm

[restive river]

How we fight him is with love yes
But thats him
We still need to fight what he throws at us

[humble sierra]

And additionally after the quest if there are more big guns, any damage will do, not just the Tauron Strikes

[lilac aspen]

Operator coming to terms with their trauma will bring them peace

For all we know that would make Operator’s void attacks actually harm Wally then

[celest needle]

Old man shoots you to teach you empathy is the way to save the timeline

[lilac aspen]

Operator and drifter becoming their own Void entities like Wally

[humble sierra]

Dhar Mann ahh title

[restive river]

It is a way

Albrecht certainly is doing things

[lilac aspen]

“You should feel love NOW” Bang

[restive river]

I love that quote
That and “it’s entratiing time”

[raven oar]

What he needs is a family something the drifter has but not him

[lilac aspen]

Tbf
I don’t think Wally should get a family due to how it is

[humble sierra]

And "Dump the stock market"

[raven oar]

I mean the operator

[lilac aspen]

Space mom

[hidden glade]

Operator has plenty of rolemodels and found family

[restive river]

Omg 1999 is how he got the obols, he messed with the stocks
Totally

[restive river]

They have a family-

[humble sierra]

It would be insane if we get to save him somehow.

"Hey kiddo" jumpscares are literally just him saying hi

[lilac aspen]

Loid too currently with how he was making sure the operator wasn’t having a seizure from the old peace memories

[restive river]

Lotus, Ordis, everyone they’ve saved and loved along the way

[hidden glade]

(all of Fortuna)

[restive river]

“Hey [Childhood Name]”

[silk atlas]

Literally the deimos family

[raven oar]

Who is going a little crazy

[celest needle]

“Make baro sell a primed mod that hasn't been sold in two months.”

[lilac aspen]

Power of love (and this void blast)

[restive river]

If you know anything about family then you know it’s crazy

[raven oar]

Ehh

[restive river]

Operator’s family is so large is spans the system

[silk atlas]

given all the crap going on in wf it'd be more off-putting if she wasn't a bit crazy.

[restive river]

We are literally part of the family by the end of their story.

[strange plinth]

she seems rather focused at the moment

[hidden glade]

wdym 'ehh' they give us a name and consider us one of their own

[humble sierra]

And potentially beyond, if we end up friends with Adis in 2026

[restive river]

Tentative allies to best friends once again?
I can only hope

[lilac aspen]

DE please I beg you have grandpa Hunhow take us to Tau after we give him Kuva or something to buff him

[silk atlas]

Just because we ain't calling them Mom and Dad doesn't meant they are suddenly irrelevant emotionally. Hell, The Holdfasts?

[restive river]

Imagine Adis gets a unique relationship system with Operator to regain trust

[raven oar]

I got a question then would you want to be apart of that family

[restive river]

You don’t really choose what family you belong to
Even with the found family troupe sometimes

[humble sierra]

I'm thinking we split at the end of Old Peace, and then return in 2026, Adis hates us, but we have a common enemy now and we end off allies

Maybe not what we once were

[restive river]

That’s kinda like
What family is? They’re crazy, you don’t always pick em but they’re there and you care and help one another

Sure sounds like the Operator and everyone we help

[silk atlas]

Read my previous response.

Also their entire plotline was "we hate each other sometimes but there's bigger things to worry about and we can come together to fix that at least"

[restive river]

Yesss
Lets hope our boy ain’t dead first tho

[lilac aspen]

Adis is clearly alive trust
DE please don’t give us even more depression

[humble sierra]

Oh yeah my second guess is we team up and he dies our best friend again for more trauma

My third guess is he dies in Old Peace itself as a martyr

[restive river]

Maybe we need love and loss to fight ol Walldo 😔

[raven oar]

He is probably dead

[lilac aspen]

Wait no DE is listening to this

[restive river]

Downer

[humble sierra]

Definitely not because I've been asking for Garuda lore

[lilac aspen]

Adis is our best friend
Plot dictates that-

Oh no

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-electric-car-gif-21193957

[strange plinth]

"that's a steve promise"
garuda lore shot dead in the devshort

[humble sierra]

Where's my damn Garuda lore DE

[restive river]

I hope he doesn’t die, we’ll need a friend of some kind in Tau

Ain’t no way we surviving on our own

[humble sierra]

Who knows what the Old Peace has for us

[raven oar]

I mean I don't want him to be dead but that is probably where this is going

[lilac aspen]

Nokko clearly pranked Garuda by trapping her in mushrooms

[hidden glade]

ITZAM 🩷 🩷 🩷

[restive river]

Yeah maybe
I just dont want him to die

[patent cargo]

if anything happens to adis i will kill everyone in the room and then myself

[humble sierra]

Maybe that sentient Archimedian guy is still alive and friendly

Maybe that racist cephalon is still around too

[restive river]

I like his glasses :)

[restive river]

Nah let him rot he’s mean to Adis

[lilac aspen]

Clearly DE gives us mass trauma by having us kill Adis

[lilac aspen]

Void LUGGER

[restive river]

I’m gonna delete his system 32

[celest needle]

I hope they characterize (him?) well

[humble sierra]

It'd be funny if he is Adis' second in command or something if Adis is the primary antagonist of Tau 2026

[strange plinth]

this is my thought process, wonderfully tragic. possibly what would reignite the old war

[hidden glade]

I hope Daklo doesnt become some kind of staple in Tau content, miserable ahh character that I feel people are gonna kinda shoehorn in because his first impression was being rude

[restive river]

Lmao
He got better

[humble sierra]

Just pathetically clinging to power

[restive river]

Lmao

[humble sierra]

Also there's a lullaby verse in the Tau 2026 trailer that's not actually in the tracks itself

[restive river]

Oh

So he will either be alive or he will live on in some way, maybe

[humble sierra]

"When your spring of hope is dry, dream of me and hear my cry, seek to meet me by and by, on that far shore forlorn"

Almost like he's outright calling the operator to Tau

[strange plinth]

oh, true

[raven oar]

Or hes ghost is

[lilac aspen]

We clearly show up and then crash our ship into Adis

[restive river]

You mean his eidolon?

[humble sierra]

The main song itself is sung to Sentients (to heal them, plus the lyrics are to inspire them)

[restive river]

Omg
Is Adis a bard??

[celest needle]

What cameos do you think we're going to see?

[humble sierra]

John Warframe

[celest needle]

I really really want to see some cephalons

[celest needle]

We do

Excal prime

[strange plinth]

that verse could still apply to that, too
double meaning, perhaps

[humble sierra]

Beast of bones would be insane

[restive river]

Maybe Hunhow
Maybe Praghasa
Maybe Erra
Probably not Natah
Thus concludes sentients we know personally

[humble sierra]

Hayden Tenno

[celest needle]

Erra please

[raven oar]

Yes

[lilac aspen]

Hunhow in a farmer outfit

[restive river]

Young Erra lookin’ like 3 bones

[lilac aspen]

Hunhow in his prime basically

[celest needle]

Phragasa carpenting an Orokin’s home

[humble sierra]

Unironically though if we got Michael Rosenbaum in Warframe as literally anyone, it would be peak

[lilac aspen]

No wonder Hunhow was so dangerous
He was the sentient farmer with a shotgun

[celest needle]

And then the Orokin realizes the price and breaks the peace

[strange plinth]

Daklo and Erra randomly swap places in front of caliban prime
(they refuse to be in the same room)

[humble sierra]

I'm jusr imagining the drifter/operator switching mechanic

And then they can only exist in places of pure racism

[celest needle]

I wonder what we could gain non story wise from revisiting the memory of the rebellion; unless, of course, we're able to extract some resources from that memory into the main timeline.

[raven oar]

I actually already asked that question a little while ago

[silk atlas]

I really think there's going to be some kind of "Tau Aya" or something silly that we can trade in for new gear

[humble sierra]

Probably the lore reason is we get loot on Tau, and eventually we put that away in the Origin system, then we 'remember' where we kept that loot and then offscreen go back there

[strange plinth]

probably focus stuff if i had to guess
uriel's most likely attached to descendia?
though they're both attached to the dark refractory

[lilac aspen]

“Silly me, I forgot my 1,000,000 Tau fish under my bed.”

[humble sierra]

Yeah exactly lmao

[raven oar]

This is still bad logic

[celest needle]

New monetized way to get tau weapons

[silk atlas]

Nah not monetized, just riffing off the fact Aya is like memory plasma and we're going through memories

[lilac aspen]

It’s not when the Tenno literally did not remember anything at first

Literally
It has been told again and again Operator seemed to have forgotten things

[strange plinth]

i do wonder if we'll get actual materials there or if we can only get blueprints and they'll use standard resources

[raven oar]

How would the loot survive all this time than

[lilac aspen]

Very easily

[raven oar]

And where would it be then

[hidden glade]

we forgor

[ocean geyser]

Lore accurate Tenno

[lilac aspen]

How does the fish we catch remain in storage all day without rotting away?

How does organic substances not rot away in our storage?

[ocean geyser]

Tasty void magic

[raven oar]

This is not the couch remote or your lost car keys

[restive river]

Margulis sealed away our memories iirc

Or at least it was a system made by her

Don’t recall the exact quote but that’s what explains our memories missing

[raven oar]

I don't think she took our loot

[restive river]

What
I’m
I’m talking about memories

[lilac aspen]

Ordis kept the refrigerators running for us

[restive river]

I doubt we’ll get physical resources from the perita rebellion

Same with descendia
These aren’t physical places but places where we learn

[lilac aspen]

Give me
Old Peace era GALLIUM

[restive river]

Ok well descendia is weirder cause we dont know what it is

[restive river]

So
Gallium?

[lilac aspen]

Yes

Gib

[restive river]

“Meet with Marie Leroux (Wisp) after delving into the depths of The Descendia to unlock antique items needed to remember forgotten Focus Ultimates.
More information around the rest of the Focus Expansion will be revealed in the November Devstream.”

[hidden glade]

maybe instead of standing for a new faction, we get research from the memories to re-learn how to craft Old Peace era gear- because didnt they already say that the Devils Triad were researching something

[ocean geyser]

Gallium with a different stamp on it

[restive river]

We know there’s no syndicates tho

[hidden glade]

exactly the point

[restive river]

But also yeah probably something like thay

[lilac aspen]

Old era rations when

[restive river]

Gallium

The Cooler Gallium

[lilac aspen]

The cubes

[restive river]

Go see Hombask

Those are also for the colony ship idk of those are actual rations for war lol

It’d maybe make sense tho

[humble sierra]

Cast and cry, cast and cry / Raise the million pylons high / All our kin were bound to fly / For that far shore forlorn

Seems straightforward, almost like setting up an actual boat to go to Tau-- that far shore forlorn. Neat imagery and it highlights how the Sentients were workers, carpenters, farmers, etc.

Onward hie, onward hie / Who but we may tame the sky / Who but we shall distant die / On that far shore forlorn

Setting up the Sentients believe Tau is their right, which is fair since they were made for that purpose ("Bound to fly")

Velvet blue the meadows lie / Though the haughty ones defy / Gold shall never break our tie / To that far shore forlorn

First mentioning how beautiful Tau is, of course, then setting up how the haughty Orokin are trying to claim it for themselves but Tau firmly is tied to the Sentients

Mouth to mouth and eye to eye / Sleep where comets whisper by / Sleep while constellations sigh / Of that far shore forlorn

The TennoCon preview ending with like, an Astrolabe or something that was shifting. Sleep sounds like it could be a reference to the Dreams and accessing memories. Eleanor had that dialogue about how different the stars looked between 1999 and the Origin system. My guess is we're going to try and find Tau by remembering what the stars looked like back then and cross-referencing it with current star maps.

[lilac aspen]

Wait
Tau has farm fields instead

BROTHER
May I have some oats?

[ocean geyser]

Sentient but pig asking another sentient pig for sentient oats

[restive river]

New archons?’

[ocean geyser]

[restive river]

Omg imagine if Operator has to speak with Kaya for that-

The end bit i mean

[lilac aspen]

Brother
May I have some archon oats?

No

But I am starving brother

So am I brother

[hidden glade]

we already have this, we just dont see them communicating in live action

[restive river]

Archon oats are used to downgrade archon shards

[ocean geyser]

What the hell is that

[restive river]

Sentient box

[hidden glade]

chud storage container son

[ocean geyser]

Untauing your shards is insane

Hm

[restive river]

It might be useful actually ngl

Like as a very rare drop thing maybe

[lilac aspen]

“You know what?” Untau’s your archon shard

[restive river]

Imagine we get a new tauforge variant where you fuse 3 tauforged shards together to get a bigger better one

[humble sierra]

Definitely useful, my moron ahh spent 6 emerald shards (some of which were made, not farmed) for 2 tauforged emeralds just for that Corrosive stack thing

[restive river]

Yeahh

[lilac aspen]

Fuse all the shards together to progressively rebuild a massive archon fragment

[hidden glade]

honestly after armour reworks, a single tau shard kinda works just as well as 2 bases

[ashen pulsar]

Shard Prime

[lilac aspen]

We will make a shard big enough to fly in

[restive river]

I’m building a whole eidolon

[hidden glade]

not a full strip, sure, but we rarely need fullstrip to get a majority of the benefit of armour stripping anymore

[ocean geyser]

Guys wouldn’t it be funny if we could turn shards into weapons

[lilac aspen]

We’re taking Hunhow to tau
If I have to cram a million shards into him to make sure he survives, so be it

[restive river]

Any unexplored colors for future shards?

[lilac aspen]

Black licorice flavored

[ocean geyser]

Rainbow shard 🤔

[restive river]

We should cure his racism first

[ocean geyser]

I mean he’s too tired to be racist now

[restive river]

at long last, the pride shard

[ocean geyser]

Gay archon

[restive river]

He’s maybe still a liiitle racist

We can fix him

[ocean geyser]

I mean he found a dead or dying Yareli and fixed her
That’s one hell of a character arc

[lilac aspen]

Archon shards should be like kryptonite
Green
Blue
Red
Black
The pink one

[ocean geyser]

LMAO

[restive river]

Wasn’t that ages ago or no?

[humble sierra]

His dialogue suggests it was after New War only

Well "dialogue"

[mystic lynx]

Wich pink are we talking about here

[lilac aspen]

“Ordis, it’s a rare shard.”
“Rare my data, operator, I found a corpus with three of them in his pocket.”
“Well I admit it’s kinda getting out of hand.”
“Hell there’s even more colors now. Black, white, grey, The Pink One.”
“Wedon’ttalkaboutthepinkone.”

[lilac aspen]

Oh right
There’s two versions

[humble sierra]

I don't think he'd have tried saving her before Second Dream

[lilac aspen]

Bro really yapping to not outright admit he became a big softie

[mystic lynx]

Is the devil triad tied to 99 in some way?

[humble sierra]

They have a KIM system but other than that, it doesn't seem so

You don't even have to break up with the Hex to date one of them

[hidden glade]

xx99, but we havent seen much to suggest any ties to 1999 specifically

[lilac aspen]

Can’t believe drifter has this much power to date TWO people now

[humble sierra]

Yeah it's called xx99, so it could be 1599, 1899, or 4399

[mystic lynx]

Oh so we can cheat now

[ashen pulsar]

Probably after 1999 tho

[lilac aspen]

Bruh Eleanor must be like “So a devil guy huh? I agree.”

[mystic lynx]

It looks like it takes place in albercht lab so probably far more into the future?

Also what's with that particular year?

[humble sierra]

Just threw out some examples

It could be the distant past, but equally likely the far future (of 1999)

[lilac aspen]

Clearly in the year 99

AO
After Orokin

[silk atlas]

If they wanted it to be a particular year they wouldn't have given us XX99 lol

[humble sierra]

Oh yeah they implied "xx99" is something important

all years ending with 99

or at least these two periods

[humble sierra]

They might just not have wanted to reveal it in the Devstream

[lilac aspen]

99 must be important because it leads into 00

….
The completion of a loop

0-9

[celest needle]

Drifter timeline harem

My man is collecting Albrecht’s mistakes and dating them

[mystic lynx]

Another plot where the operator face their trauma and relieve their horrible past while the drifter gets more girl/guys

[lilac aspen]

Drifter clearly needs them to beat Wally, trust

“I assure you, rizzing even more people is important to beat Wally.”

[celest needle]

“I assure you Kalymos, infecting this quirky cast of characters with a military background and immense trauma who coincidentally allign with the helminth strains I have is required to stop the indifference.”

[proper barn]

What do you mean another?

[silk atlas]

the old peace

[tall echo]

No that's just how you access the triad area, it's connected by a time portal

[celest needle]

which is surprisingly eye of narmer looking

https://tenor.com/view/hmmmmmmm-hmmmmmm-hmmmm-hm-hmm-gif-2339932555530048784

[tall echo]

What

You mean the narmer mirrors?

Which are solid?

[celest needle]

yes

[tall echo]

That's a UI thing

Wait no dojo deco

Bruh

[tall echo]

Round. Swirling effect. Different frame. Completely different colors.

[patent cargo]

that looks more like a portal from duviri

[tall echo]

One is 3d the other isn't

[celest needle]

I want to believe we're getting more narmer, 😔

[maiden dock]

Imma just put this here but i think the man in the wall is our dad or some facsimile of them thanks thats all

[celest needle]

Let me dream

[tall echo]

We are but not there

[tall echo]

Nope

[tall echo]

Did you not watch the last devstream

There was a cerbedeacon in the upcoming mode

[celest needle]

But besides that
since that's only really going to [hopefully] answer what deacons are

[tall echo]

Doubt it will

[celest needle]

But do we have ANY clues on what they are?

[tall echo]

None, and I like it

I want to know what they are but them being completely unique is also cool

[celest needle]

But like
something to give a hint to what they are
they just appear when its narmer, have funky powers and snap veils on people
has to be something to them

not a full explanation just what are these flying shepherds even made of

[frank slate]

Flying priests from out of nowhere!

[restive river]

Def different

One is more gaseous and flood
The other is generic spinning portal

[celest needle]

LET ME DREAM

[restive river]

What even is the dream

[celest needle]

More Narmer

[restive river]

These are two different devices with entirely different functions like

Also Albrecht doesn’t
Have any connection to the Narmer?

Nor could he

If you want Narmer this ain’t the way to go

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/triste-isolado-pensando-sad-isolated-gif-11165084073573897086

[restive river]

You’re saying a portal and a mind control device are somewhat related because spinny circle
The third orb or rail theory would make more sense

[hidden cove]

Do we use alchemy to recolor Warframes and gear?

I get the feeling paint wouldn't stick to well to Warframe flesh

Also, you can't exactly paint energy lmao

[dire mountain]

Narmer 2026 trust

Its almost funny at this point that narmer has barely been acknowledged since 2022 😭

[celest needle]

Vallis Undermind:

[proper barn]

Probably helminth in some way.

Or something similar.

[celest needle]

You have a comically large amount of buckets on the ship

dump them on a frame and they will absorb them

[light laurel]

I was just rewatching thr tennocon old peace game play and I just realised, could the orange-yellowish clothes the separatist wear be a refrnec to the yellow turban rebellion or an i trippin?

[ashen pulsar]

narmer will return!

it's coming, soo- oh nevermind, we're off to tau.

[proper barn]

Maybe.

[green beacon]

So wait, what is Yareli’s canon age, cause in her prime trailer ballas says she has a young spirit and mind

Also the music in the trailer gives off rebellious teen vibes

Cause isn’t harrow thee oldest frame?

Due to the lore behinds chains of harrow

[deep magnet]

age of the warframe and a person that was used for a warframe are kinda 2 different things

[proper barn]

young person. All yuvans are young.

or were? i guess.

@green beacon do you know what a Yuvan is?

[green beacon]

I believe so, I’d have to rejog my memory

[proper barn]

it's the people that the orokin like Continity into.

or well their bodies well they have a person in them but the orokin will want to destory that and replace it with them.

that's what the elder queen tries to do to us.

[green beacon]

Mm, now I remember it slightly, I barely grassed the story, but I will go back through the quests are re learn the lore

[proper barn]

anyway Ballas was gonna use her for his new body but she was too Rebelious

[green beacon]

Ah, so she was supposed to be ballas’ “frame” then

[proper barn]

no?

thats' not what Yuvan means.

also ballas made most warframes.

[green beacon]

Yeah I’m confused, I think I rushed the story way to fast😅

[proper barn]

okay

[green beacon]

I’ll definitely need to back track

[proper barn]

orokin can "live forever"

[green beacon]

Yeah I know that

[proper barn]

through

continuty which is getting new bodies

when you get really old. that's what ballas would have done if yarelie wasn't rebilous.

[deep magnet]

they kinda just uploaded thier minds into a new body in simple terms

[proper barn]

sure. they destory the person they go into. but yes.

[green beacon]

So wait, about proto frames, how do they contradict the current frames again? Along with the primes

[deep magnet]

or a crab changing it's shell

[deep magnet]

proto frames are made by albrecht

[proper barn]

they don't.

[proper barn]

not really

but kinda he makes them into proto frames.

he did not make the frames.

[deep magnet]

it's the modified helmith virius he injected them with

[proper barn]

yes.

they will at some point probably be completely consumed

or die. maybe both.

[deep magnet]

just like the original frames where made just without the mental torture

[proper barn]

they also might go insane.

[deep magnet]

or at least not intentional

[proper barn]

WELLLL

[green beacon]

So does that mean if Albrecht found all suitable candidates, all frames could theoretically have a proto form?

[deep magnet]

in theory

other than something like xaku

bc he is made from the parts of other warframes

[green beacon]

God, I couldn’t think how much pain nidus would be in a proto form when he gets his stacks

[deep magnet]

arthur got his scarr bc amir burned him

that probadly wsnt pleasing too :/

[green beacon]

Lemme guess Amir got to zap happy

[deep magnet]

no

quite opposite in fact

it was shorly after the injection iirc

[humble sierra]

Amir accidentally zapped Arthur

[green beacon]

Ahh, so when there new powers couldn’t be controlled as easily

[deep magnet]

not on accident

arhur told him to do it

[humble sierra]

Even by the time we see them, they couldn't control their powers as well as actual Warframes

[deep magnet]

to "let it out"

[green beacon]

I want this to be Yarelis proto so badly, it’s thee perfect match

Art- Izeda Datori

[proper barn]

They

But yes

[celest needle]

Not enough helminth

[proper barn]

Well

Like this is the same amount as like kaya

Kaya might have less.

[hollow siren]

yeah the only parts not Helminthed on Taylor's character are the arms (minus left hand), head and upper thighs

[celest needle]

To be fair, I don't think she took as many injections as the other protoframes did

[deep magnet]

the original protoframes got 2 of them iirc

[heady quest]

guys imagine we get Vauban Protoframe but he is literally just a robot (one of those mutulists moa's type stuff)

[tall echo]

That's... not how protos work

[deep magnet]

that's not even how warframes work

[tall echo]

Ye frames need humans

[deep magnet]

warframes are just mutated people

[tall echo]

Try to frame an animal or smth and you get for example a helminth charger

[heady quest]

But what if….. it’s a Solaris worker with a robot head!!!

Jk gang I am just goofing around

[hollow siren]

Solaris are still humans, if it was just a robot head it wouldn't be a Solaris

"Solaris" isn't even like a race per se, it's moreso just slang for a type of worker

(my own headcanon is that it started out as slang for the workers who constructed the solar rails)

[strange turtle]

…wouldn’t those have just been grineer and a few science/engineering guys?

[hollow siren]

Yes, I'm talking about where the term "Solaris" could have come from

I'm not saying that the modern Solaris we see built the solar rails

[pale cedar]

They're too busy trying to build their future

[hollow siren]

none of the Solaris in present day Origin system have any known ties to the Rails, so either my headcanon is just fully wrong or the term shifted to just refer to hard labour workers in general

[pale cedar]

They probably don't even know Rails exist

[thorn carbon]

Are there spoiler restrictions for this chat?

[hollow siren]

well the Rails are also between the planets inside Origin itself

They're effectively the highways that most ships follow for safe travel

[hollow siren]

#spoiler-chat exists for more directly discussing things that are spoilers, but you can bring up spoilered stuff here too

[pale cedar]

Yeah, but Solaris don't get to go on ships

[hollow siren]

I mean, we see several on Relays and in Ice Mines

[hazy prism]

they show up on relays so that means they definately go on some trips (also those solaris captured in corpus ships)

[thorn carbon]

I feel like I missed something in the Warframe lore a long time ago about the solar rails. I know they're called Specters of the Rail (literally the name of the update), but the specter guardians at the junctions, are they void energy ghosts essentially? I guess I never understood that part

[hollow siren]

Specter Technology is based on Specter Particles, which have Void properties, so kinda?

[pale cedar]

“I am calling it the Specter Particle. As my Archimedians explain, mimicry is in its nature. An echo. Exposed to precept circuits, we are able to imprint behaviors! Like an infant mirroring her surrogate. Only this infant can set the world on fire.”

[hollow siren]

the tech was pioneered by Parvos Granum, the particles themselves he stole from Albrecht's labs

It is likely that access to Specter Technology was a vital bargaining weight for the ancient Corpus when dealing with the Orokin

we see it implied in Protea Prime's trailer

[hazy prism]

So the spectres were probably used to keep guard the solar rails?

[hollow siren]

Probably. The junction specters specifically are somewhat Oldframe lore in that they're not really considered majorly canon until it's needed

Similar to Lotus' old mission voicelines that were made when "The Lotus" was moreso implied to be an organization than an individual

"We'll interrogate this person back at base" etc.

[hazy prism]

ah old lore, there was alot of quirky stuff with that, I'm really glad how much more consistent it got post 2nd dream

[thorn carbon]

well it makes sense. The game had clan alliances managing solar rails to dark sectors. We had to invest in specter armies to defend our rails from player attackers. Do we think that's still compatible with lore that came after those gameplay features were removed?

[hollow siren]

Likely not

[hazy prism]

it was weird, cause old lore had this smaller scale feel to it, where even the Tenno and alliances and clans would go into skirmishes with each other

[pale cedar]

There's an Armistice

[thorn carbon]

This is non-canon, but I was a ghost clan in a large alliance and accidentally used one of the "redistribute alliance credits" features only available to warlords... I didn't realize what it did. I may have single handedly crashed the dark sector stock market

Anyway, as a tiny ghost clan, we suddenly became many many millions of credits richer. Oops

[hazy prism]

that gave me a good chuckle, could you pull those credits out to use for yourself?

[pale cedar]

No

[thorn carbon]

Nah, stuck in the clan I think. My alliance membership ended soon after...

[pale cedar]

Makes sense tbh

[thorn carbon]

I'm kind of confused on how some of the old peace reconciles with old, old war lore. But I guess that's because the timeline isn't completely fleshed out yet and Ballas is a notorious liar. Like, in the sacrifice he explains how he leaked the truth about the Tenno to Hunhow and it was a big deal in shifting the war with the sentients. So does the old Peace happen after that? Because we see Tenno just walking around with sentients who don't seem very surprised

[ocean geyser]

There’s a corpus ship sitting outside of Cetus with some Solaris near it

[hollow siren]

"The Old War" was a long time-period of recurring conflicts, not a singular battle

[pale cedar]

The Old Battle when?

[ocean geyser]

Basically
Old war > Old Peace > Old War cont.

[hollow siren]

Hunhow's direct assault on the Origin System was one of the last events of it

that happened after he got the Vitruvian

[thorn carbon]

Is there also a long period of time between the orokin getting genocided and the tenno going into cryo sleep?

[hollow siren]

Not really, but we were in cryo for a long time

centuries at least

[pale cedar]

We slept for 1000+ years

[ocean geyser]

So to simplify that

No, the long period of time came after we went to cryo

[hazy prism]

The old peace is probably like a very short period of ceasefire in the greater Old War, imagine it's like the Old War equivalent to the WW1 Christmas Truce

[pale cedar]

It is stated as brief

[ocean geyser]

I mean it lasted long enough for everyone to vibe together so like

Maybe several months and or one single year?

[hazy prism]

honestly the part that really bothers me is that the operator in the 23 minute demo seems to be fairly light hearted about it, whilst Adis is super serious and dour about it

[pale cedar]

The operator was literally panicking because they had to kill someone they didn't want to

[thorn carbon]

What do you guys think about the chronology of the other content in the Old Peace update with the protoframes? Like Nun Wisp. I've seen people speculate it might be the 1400s/1500s but I disagree. Based on some dialogue from Eleanor and some minor dialogue that was changed in Once Awake to reference the "radiation wars", my theory is it's a sort of post-nuclear neo-dark age. It's not an original idea in literature or media for nuclear war fallout.. and it seems to fit with Warframe's creative team's interests lately.

"Now that's familiar. There are these top-security bunkers under Ludston and Mancunia. The idea is, if there's ever a Radiation War, the fat cats and bigwigs get to hide down in their luxury bolthole and sip Mimosas while the rest of us get burned to a cinder up above." -Eleanor.

Out of context it's not that deep but it sounds like DE is heavily suggesting that would evolve into the Orokin.

[hollow siren]

It's somewhat implied that the Scaldra and their cult we see in 1999 are what eventually evolve into the Orokin Caste, or at least Scaldra's cult paved the way for the elites to do that

[restive river]

Not Scaldra itself but the ones behind it

[hollow siren]

yeah

[restive river]

Like
O.R.O. lol

[bright temple]

-# very on the nose

[thorn carbon]

Man they should've kept those Apex-09 super hard mode boss tanks around then... Nothing they ever made after could compare 😂 not a sentient, not a Warframe. Maximum destruction. Would've ended the old war easily

[hollow siren]

Scaldra being a design parallel to Grineer is also fitting since Grineer were the labour slaves who quite literally "built" the Orokin empire

[restive river]

Scaldra, the military cult was used to oppress people
I can also def see O.R.O. making techrot outbreaks happen if not just for their cult to move in and “save” everything

[restive river]

They are very very very very very very distant cousins!

[hollow siren]

Which also parallels the fabricated Tenno Mythology the Orokin made

[restive river]

Wym

[thorn carbon]

So what do you think? Would you put Nun Wisp (sorry, I don't remember her name) before or after 1999? That is unless it's some alternate reality/timeline void shenanigans and is an irrelevant determination

[hollow siren]

How some Warframes (just referred to as Tenno) were almost worshipped and viewed as deities or saints, seemingly to hide the true nature of them

[restive river]

The Triad are in xx99, likely 1499 iirc
So technically before 1999 but it sounded like Albrecht went to 1999 last
But since time travel he could just hop to and fro
It’s also not some alternate reality/timeline void whatever :p

I think if it was they’d actually show that more
Nah it’s just another point in the past ending with a 99

[hollow siren]

I do kinda like the neo-dark age idea you suggested

[restive river]

I think that was more so because the tenno helped people, not fabricated orokin myth

[hollow siren]

like the hidden numbers and gothic architecture makes us think it's before 1999

but it turns out to be afterwards

[restive river]

Again, it sounded like Albrecht figured out 1999 toward the end
I may be mistaken cause I only remember so much from the devstream tho

[hollow siren]

yeah fair, they definitely played into it tho even if they didn't directly create it themselves

[hollow siren]

Which could be seen as him finding the point just before the radiation wars that were in the past relative to XX99

[restive river]

I doubt the guys who see themselves as gods would be okay with their best soldiers also being seen as gods and, by the people, better than them
Nah that came later

[hollow siren]

true true

[restive river]

I mean we still don’t know why he went to 1999 in the first place or why he kept ending up in 99s
Cause it sounded like he ended up in more than one

[hollow siren]

watch XX99 be like the Pi of Warframe's universe

the Pi of the Void

[restive river]

Its possible they unlocked a door that every point in human history that ends with a 99 but is before 1999 (which they could break that rule, they do what they want) is a place Albrecht went and made protos

[bright temple]

[restive river]

What??

[hollow siren]

I'm just joking like it's a random specific number that can be seen everywhere in nature

[restive river]

xx99 just has xx to hide the true year from us

[hollow siren]

I know

[restive river]

Ok

[hollow siren]

I'm referring in general to the numbers ending in 99

[hollow siren]

aka. this

why he kept going to XX99 years

[restive river]

Oh
Yeah
It sounds like we’ll find out more

I mean whatever it is it’s to stop Wally

Could also be cause that’s a sorta ending and a beginning?
We end as we began?
Maybe??

[hollow siren]

Like "Hey Albrecht why always years that end in 99?"
"What do you mean why, how do you know Axiom Units and you don't know about XX99??"

[restive river]

I don’t think we studied whatever he was doing in those labs
He was writing in alchemy

[thorn carbon]

Is it possible he just lost his mind and became obsessed with '99 for no particular good reason? Don't most people lose their minds in the void? Unless I missed something that he used to shield himself from that effect

I know that's a reach, I'm sure there's a better reason, but I still don't know why he didn't lose his marbles

[restive river]

He’s obsessive about stopping Wally

So yes he’s crazy but like
Cause of a real thing

[hollow siren]

oh Albrecht is positively insane that's not even a question. But he is also consistently correct in all his theories

[restive river]

I doubt he’s lost his marbles
He’s kinda just trying anything he can

[hollow siren]

He's mad but he's no fool

[restive river]

He’s more so insane due to being an Orokin and his obsession with Wally than being in the void

[hollow siren]

He's kinda on a "Everything for the Cause" spree rn

[restive river]

It’d be different if we never saw Wally, if we couldn’t even prove he was real

[bright temple]

he also has a punch coming with his name on it

[restive river]

I want tagfer to make sure he never has kids again

[hollow siren]

oh yeah he's got some reckoning to do. Albrecht is a clear villain, but he is not an antagonist

[restive river]

He’s not the present threat and I doubt we’ll go after him for his crimes cause I really doubt he’s making it out alive
Which
He likely knows

He’s a mad scientist but in like
An actual genius/crazy kinda way

[hollow siren]

Considering how his, ahem, "tastes" seem to lie, I doubt that would be a problem regardless. (unless Orokin medicine has advanced so far)

[restive river]

His labs literally being based around Dr. Frankenstein

[thorn carbon]

Now is the man in the wall something that existed before Albrecht encountered it or is it simply a manifestation of, like, his schizophrenia/obsession ?

[restive river]

Don’t care its still gonna hurt him
Thats what I want

[restive river]

One thing points to him maybe existing in some capacity before but most leads to Albrecht making him and if nothing else he heavily influenced him due to conceptual embodiment
It’s less a manifestation of him being crazy and more a manifestation, or at the least a manifestation being influenced by how he thought of himself when he fell into the void
Which he says he saw himself as a void
He also wanted to prove the void was useful and after his meet n greet with Wally the void suddenly was useful
So Wally, as well as the void being as useful as it is is all thanks to conceptual embodiment and Albrecht being depressed

If you haven’t already go listen to the requiem logs in Necraloid’s room

It goes over the first ever encounter with Wally, gives insight as to what Albrecht was feeling and shows Albrecht hyper focusing on Wally

[restive river]

Oh to add onto this
There’s a theory that Wally did exist prior but as nothing, same as the rest of the void
No thought no. Anything, he was nothing
But due to conceptual embodiment he suddenly was
Like all the matter in the universe existing in one point and boom, now its all things and stuff
That might be Wally, the “ingredients” for existence were present, which was literally nothing and due to CE and Albrecht he suddenly was

The void does just kinda make stuff based on thought and emotion and Albrecht was in a very emotional state when he fell in so
Yeah

[ocean geyser]

I figured it would just be because the turn of a century has something special about it

[restive river]

We end as we began? Maybe?

I feel like that’d work better for 00 but that’s a start not an end so
Idk

[hollow siren]

There's like a specific quote from God of War 2018 that I like to use to describe Albrecht and I can't find the exact one.

It's after Mimir tells Atreus how Odin, who is obsessed with prophecies and knowing what will happen, managed to guess that the main characters would go on their journey before they even knew they had to.

Atreus: "That doesn't even make any sense. How did he know we would come here before even we knew?"

Mimir: "Ah well you did come here, didn't you? So you see, lad, it doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense. What matters, is that he was right."

[obsidian vigil]

Who's the girl in the cinematic intro?

[tall echo]

Placeholder tenno mara

[obsidian vigil]

Huh she's a tenno? I thought we're the only one awake

[ocean geyser]

She’s a placeholder for us

[opaque zenith]

Long answer: Placeholder tenno commonly used in the trailers, named Mara in the scripts

[hollow siren]

She's meant to represent the player, but moreso you the player starting the game and choosing the warframe

[obsidian vigil]

Ah

[hollow siren]

rather than the Tenno in-game

Mara is what the Tenno is sometimes referred to as both in code and possibly in some Voidtongue, so that's what the community calls her

[ocean geyser]

I wonder if the customizations are finally good enough to recreate Mara

[hollow siren]

well the Old Peace showcase kinda showed the "canon" Tenno in-game, like the final 1999 trailer showed a "canon" female drifter to match

[ocean geyser]

I see

So only the Duviri cinematic had a guy

[hollow siren]

yep

that's kinda similar to the cinamatic intro mentioned above

not really canon, just a trailer

it was made back when Duviri was first like announced long before its eventual delayed release

so sadly Pedro Pascal is not really the canon Drifter

[obsidian vigil]

OH so "voull ne xata vok, mara lohk?" Can be translated to "do you see the truth, operator of the void?"

[hollow siren]

we don't know for sure

but Tagfer does call us over by yelling "Mara Lohk"

Mara is also where the word "mare" and thus "nightmare" come from, since Mara were horse-headed demons who caused bad dreams when they visited at night

so the real word Mara effectively means demon

combine that with how the Tenno are often referred to as demons or devils from the "Hell" that is the Void

[hollow siren]

The only words in that which we know for sure the meaning of are Xata and Lohk

tho as mentioned above Mara is likely "demon" or possibly "child", since Mara Lohk is most definitely used to refer to us

[obsidian vigil]

Funny how we're referred to as void demon while the actual monsters are called void angels

[hollow siren]

yep

[pale cedar]

Uno reverse card

[hollow siren]

it's a nice parallel, since it implies we're rejecting the "good" by going against Wally

since those who succumbed to him are Angels

[obsidian vigil]

I thought Void demon was a nickname given to us by the orokin?

[pale cedar]

And Helminth

[restive river]

It was, only by Ballas and Erra
The Helminth does call us a similar name though

[hollow siren]

The Orokin, especially Ballas, refer to the Tenno as "devils" yeah. Helminth calls us "This demon"

[pale cedar]

Demon is Helminth
Devil is Ballas and Erra

[restive river]

But Helminth’s case is likely unrelated by this point to Ballas calling us it

[hollow siren]

Vala's shanty refers to Parvos as having "the devil in his eye" likely referring to Void

[hollow siren]

yeah that likely stems from the Infestation's general view on Void

[restive river]

Oh and fyi Mara Lohk was used by more allies than by Wally so
:]

[pale cedar]

I don't think Devil in his eye was meant literally

[restive river]

Yeah, or just from it knowing we have a piece of Wally within us

Our DNA is saturated in the stuff too

It’s how the Coda track us

[hollow siren]

yep

[restive river]

That also being said Helminth does love us, so they’re not using it as an insult unlike Ballas

[haughty hedge]

Why did baro say he might never see me again? Should i be worried?

[hollow siren]

Lizzie mentions "The Smiling one", so we know they have encountered Wally in some way

[restive river]

We don’t know yet

[pale cedar]

Well you see he shook a hand

[restive river]

Encountered or just know of
Love that we got ANOTHER name for him lmao

Spooky infinity/ending theme baro is spooky and that’s kinda it rn iirc

[hollow siren]

spooky Baro has interesting implications, considering we know that Baro made a Deal with Wally just like us (the Devs half-jokingly explained that Baro syncing his wares for cross-save was done by him making a deal with "a rather dashing fellow" who looked a lot like him)

[restive river]

It has to he our Baro too since they were all collapsed into one

[humble sierra]

"Devil in his eye" typically means greed and ambition

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[restive river]

So this isn’t a different Baro
It’s still ours as usual but. Something’s off

[humble sierra]

This is his last appearance I think

[restive river]

We’ll see what he’s like next week

And if it will even be touched on at all

[pale cedar]

Probably not

[humble sierra]

Evil-er Baro who speaks Void Tongue

[restive river]

Nihilism baro is my favorite baro

He realized the ramifications of his actions
Maybe
I gotta check his dialogue again, but I know he was being nihilistic to some degree

[obsidian vigil]

Evil baro be like "I bring good mods"

[pale cedar]

Nihil is the reason I hate the word Nihilism

[restive river]

LOL

[haughty hedge]

Interesting !

[humble sierra]

That's a Requiem poem, right?

And he also had a line about Apathy

[obsidian vigil]

Yeah that's a reversed requiem poem

From brooding gulfs are we beheld by that which bears no name

[humble sierra]

new.kasumata.ee

aight if you search for BaroHalloween in this site, you'll get all the audio files available for this

[lapis lake]

yhere is another

that last part triggered something in me

[humble sierra]

"Life and time began with the heat and power of cataclysm. It ends with ignominious silence. The silence of apathy."

[lapis lake]

"WE END AS WE BEGAN"

[humble sierra]

Then the full poem from Albrecht

[lapis lake]

the two backwards baro lines

"From Brooding gulfs are we beheld by that which bears no name. It's heralds are the stars it fells, the sky and earth aflame"

and

"Carrion hordes trill their profane accord with eldriritch plans. To cosmic forms from tangent planes, we end as we began"

Entrati is sending us gifts through baro?

[humble sierra]

Ah @restive river @pale cedar it seems we will be getting a message from the actual Baro after this, won't say what exactly since it's not in game yet but it's in the files from that website

[humble sierra]

The poem's from the Requiem mods

[hollow siren]

Which Albrecht discovered and catalogued

[lapis lake]

i know but it feels weird that Baro said this AT ALL

[hollow siren]

He has the Requiem Logs

[ocean geyser]

Lohk, Xata, Netra, Vome

[lapis lake]

if anyone finds more backwards talk from baro, drop it here

[opaque zenith]

Almost: Lohk, xata, netra, khra.
Or just Lohk, by the necraloid chamber

[humble sierra]

Nah it's just those two lines according to the files

[still vessel]

I only found the ones you mentioned.

[humble sierra]

Unless I skipped one

[thorn carbon]

I've thought about this some more. I'm thinking this hypothetical neo-dark age ties deeper into the idea that the proto-Orokin evolved out of the ashes of the radiation wars. Why might the Orokin have made Lua their home? Because the Earth was a mess of nuclear war.

Here's where it gets interesting. After a closer look at the recent dev stream, there are strange references to the moon here (Lua, specifically) that don't make sense in a XX99 is 1499 scenario.

Marie pledges herself to Lua, in fact. Look closely at the mural. It's orokin writing which we could write off - but also the moon worship seems pretty specific, no?

[hollow siren]

well Dualism was the faith of old earth

in 1999 the common faith holds Sol and Lua as gods

[humble sierra]

Yeah they worship Sol and Lua in 1999

[hollow siren]

Marie also mentions "Sol and Lua" when talking about presumably Roathe

[humble sierra]

Not just after Earth went to shit and Lua became the capital

[hollow siren]

"Sol and Lua, we will cleanse this follower"

[lapis lake]

could someone put together all of the 'Spooky Baro" inbox messages? something is tickling my brain and it feels like there is something...unless it just my adhd going nuts

[thorn carbon]

Oh okay so there's a pretty major split from pre-1999 lore compared to the real world? So, for example, Christianity likely did not ever exist in the Warfame universe?

[humble sierra]

Nope

[ocean geyser]

Oh oops

[humble sierra]

There's not a lot of irl history that made it to Warframe's universe but there's lots of expys

[thorn carbon]

I totally forgot that Dualism was an old religion in Warframe. I didn't even realize it was referenced again outside of the sacrifice quest

[humble sierra]

IMO She appears to be a devotee of Sol more than Lua, only saying this because I think it was said that the Nun Eleanor was a Lua worshipper and she shaved her head and stuff, I think a vow of silence?

[hollow siren]

Scaldra's logo is Sol and Lua, since they're effectively a sect of fanatic purists

[raw stone]

Ooh? We moved on from baro alr?

[pale cedar]

We had Dualism then Vain faith

[lapis lake]

we splitting in two groups

[raw stone]

Also thank you random person who catalogued those backwards lines. I was abt to ask abt them.

I alr got Peculiar End. Gonna slot it on..... Oraxia.

[humble sierra]

Listed this a while ago

A lot of the 1999 references are just allusions to real-world pop culture. "Marty McFlea" instead of Marty McFly, "Young Loxley" instead of Robin Hood, "Megabloke" instead of Superman (Also Owlman & Sparrow).

So far the IRL things that are seemingly unchanged:

• Gordon Freeman and Half-Life (cardboard cutouts + posters in the mall)
• Alexander the Great (Lettie's line in the backroom compares Arthur to him)
• Lettie's gods are ones that were worshipped IRL
• Amir mentions Jeopardy - ("I'll take Kicking Your Ass for five hundred, Alex.")
• Amir mentions Dracula - ("Go at 'em like Dracula at a low-cut top.")
• Digital Extremes exists, but it's based in Höllvania and it's a lazy, money hungry company that tried using Techrot to make games for them.
• Rebb Ford is an OnLyne fangirl

[raw stone]

Oh? Oh

I'm not gonna lie either dunno where hollvania theoretically is on a world map. Yeah sure the name is germanic but a lot of names in new countries are germanic. You think its Berlin tho?

[hollow siren]

Meant to be in eastern europe

hence names like Viktor Vodyanoi

[lapis lake]

ok but..how East we talking

[raw stone]

Well I mean. I partially lied. Ik the hex mention parts of their world. Among some things

[raw stone]

Hungary-Austria east-ish?

[hollow siren]

Poland-esque

[humble sierra]

Countries:

USA is USL
No Canada?
Japan is Jipangu
Russia is Rus
UK or at least England is Britannica

[hollow siren]

UK is Britannica

[raw stone]

Hmn. North enough to have active snow in winter, south enough to have summer be relatively pleasant.

[humble sierra]

Omg how could I forget, Ty

[hollow siren]

and yes, USL is the United States of Libertatia

[raw stone]

Spring gets rain, I assume sorta frequently? Plus its coastal.

[hollow siren]

Moldavia maybe

[pale cedar]

Does Warframe have a North Korea?

[hollow siren]

also important to remember that Höllvania is a city-state

[raw stone]

Meteorological data is useless I won't lie.

[hollow siren]

None named so far

[raw stone]

Might just be a one singular Korea equivalent.

[humble sierra]

Kaya is from the Philippines but I don't think it's been named yet

[hollow siren]

it has not, no

[humble sierra]

Blanking on Minerva's last name

[raw stone]

Hendrix.

[hollow siren]

Minerva and Velimir both use fake names

[humble sierra]

Ty

[raw stone]

Her last name is Hendrix.

[hollow siren]

their real names are unknown

[raw stone]

Velimir Volkov. Alr alr. Hardy har har.

[restive river]

oooo ty, I am glad this story isnt quite over yet :D

[hollow siren]

Velimir is from USL like Amir, and IIRC. Minerva is too

[raw stone]

You expect me to believe they didn't slip up on the grandfather story?

[pale cedar]

I wonder where Drifter and Operator are from

[raw stone]

We don't even know yet. But a colony probably one of the many Orokin-controlled ones.

[humble sierra]

It's nothing too special DATAMINED CONTENT SPOILER, ||Regular Baro rocks up and is none the wiser, and from the sounds of things there's a portrait of his Evil appearance that he gifts you||

[raw stone]

So it really was wally?

[thorn carbon]

Isn't there a '99 conversation that answers this? I don't remember the answers

[hollow siren]

Unclear if we were even born on earth or not IIRC.

[unique sage]

hey guys uh

[hollow siren]

yep

[humble sierra]

yep

[hollow siren]

.

[raw stone]

No. I mean. While they talk about being on the zariman, that century ship, they don't mention a birthplace.

Maybe they were born on the Zariman. Who knows. We don't know how long the Zariman Project was.

[thorn carbon]

I'm assuming they were on it for a long time since there was everything on board. Born on it? Maybe not. I guess it's hard to say. But they had school even

[raw stone]

Here's sorta what I'm thinking.
The Orokin couldn't get that giant ship to Tau, the tenno get made, the orokin regroup, and they send the tenno in much smaller, more manageable and indestructible groups to Tau to meet the Tau settlers. Sorta like the codex entries said for the first primes. And then something happens that makes the Orokin betray the Tau residents, the Tenno escape back to Earth and the war reignites. Maybe.

Huge maybe. Margulis' death has to happen between Zariman and Tau. Which from the glimpses in the Old Peace gameplay and trailer? Yeah probably.

[opaque zenith]

Just for completionism, there's also Ludston, Mancunia and Xaymaca in the kims (London, [No Idea] and Jamaica i'd guess)

[raw stone]

Who mentions Mancunia?

[hollow siren]

We know the Sentients constructed a Rail between Sol and Tau. Hunhow destroyed it with his final assault near the war's end. That is likely how we got to Tau for the Old Peace

[opaque zenith]

EleanorRank4Convo6

[raw stone]

Eleanor... brb

[hollow siren]

maybe Vancouver

[raw stone]

Vancouver... England?

It might be Manchester's alternate name.

[hollow siren]

oh yeah maybe

[raw stone]

I don't see Eleanor and Arthur really... vacationing around the world ngl.

[opaque zenith]

K, there's Ludston (QuincyRank1Convo4) and New Ludston (AoiRank6Convo8) So idk about London

[raw stone]

But Ludston sounds english as hell.

[raw stone]

York exists. So does New York. Let me check Aoi rq

If I get context from New Ludston, maybe it'll explain that.

[thorn carbon]

And then the Orokin were all: "um, excuse me terraforming bot, did I give you permission to exhibit sentience, freewill, and creativity? I guess y'all better be prepared to die. 🤷😐 "

[raw stone]

WAIT WAIT YEA I think New Ludston is New York!!!!! New York is SO FRIGGIN FAMOUS for Fall with all those pretty trees in the mountains.

[hollow siren]

well the Sentients' rebellion was first initiated by the Sentients. The Orokin did not know they had become sentient as they had feared until then

[raw stone]

Lemme go check Quincy rq.

God someone needs to reorganize those flowcharts in kimulacrum.

[strange turtle]

No, clans are canon and there’s Operations mean that there has to be other Tenno anyway.

That and the continuous use of Tenno as a plural and the old thing they did with solar rails and clans.

[opaque zenith]

Looks like my average IT class boards tbf lol

[hollow siren]

yeah many Tenno are awake. The reason the player Tenno is special is because we were the one who made the Deal

[thorn carbon]

Except them. They're sleep. Not awake

Honestly lore wise I've never understood these

[hollow siren]

oldframe lore, aka. not really canon until stated otherwise

[opaque zenith]

These ones just... don't have explanation. Idk why they don't just put a Warframe model there, but irl it was the initial generic model and stayed till today, and to change it is to deal with the spaghetti

[pallid spoke]

It's a relic from back when Warframes were originally just portrayed as suits of armor that were worn by the Tenno operative model you see there IIRC.

Long before the Operator as we know was a serious concept.

[twilit sonnet]

Hey, so, is the Tau system like the Sol system where it's planets surrounded by a star or a satellite system where it's one planet surrounded by smaller moons, with 'Tau' being the planet? I always thought it was the first but I've seen some stuff indicating it's the second and now I'm confused

[hollow siren]

Tau is a solar system

there are many Tau systems irl, the Tau in Warframe is likely meant to represent Tau Ceti

[woven coyote]

A system without star would be pretty useless for a colonization effort

[north jolt]

Okay so minor spoilers ||I'm pretty sure that's meant to be a warframe base. Like a cloned human body not yet infused with a helminth strain||

[dim mauve]

Spooky baro lines reversed that i've encountered
||"Carrion trill their profane accord with eldritch plans. To cosmic forms from tangent planes, we end as we began"||
||"From brooding gulfs are we beheld by that which bears no name. Its herlads are the stars it fells, the sky and earth aflame"||

[ocean geyser]

I really doubt that’s the case

[tall echo]

We don't use humans

[hidden glade]

new frames arent being produced from scratch anymore, and very often frames were either Dax or just picked out randomly as punishment or convenience

[round crow]

in the upcoming warframe update .. will we get to know what happened in the old war or will it just talk abou the peace ?idk

[pale cedar]

It will be about why it started back up again

[round crow]

when was this before we awake the op ?

or is it when the op was put to sleep ?

[rich stump]

The operator was put to sleep after the old war fully ended

The old peace is during the old war

[pale cedar]

This is many years before we went back to sleep

[round crow]

oh so the old war came in 2 parts?

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[round crow]

why did it stop in the first place?

[rich stump]

We’re not sure, I’m guessing we’ll find out

[ocean geyser]

Somehow i only now realized you’re a Grimoire

[pale cedar]

The Old War wasn’t just one battle as that would be the Old Battle

[ocean geyser]

You should have replaced it with the Eskhatos skin for Halloween >:3

[rich stump]

But from what we understand, the Old War was more so a long period of multiple conflicts rather than one singular war

[round crow]

oh it hasnt been revleaved yet , i need to refresh my memory up for the next update

why did the old war stop

[ocean geyser]

Which is how most wars technically work anyway
The world wars aren’t the “World Battles”

[pale cedar]

That’s actually a really good idea
I’ll do that next Halloween

[ocean geyser]

Assuming a new skin doesn’t show up next year

[round crow]

is there a vid i can watch for like the timeline of what happened ?

like focusing on the op?

[pale cedar]

Lore vids often suck

Timelines in Warframe are complicated

[ocean geyser]

The best we can do is go Old war > Old Peace > Old War cont.

[round crow]

i feel like the update will change alot of things and make it clearer

[ocean geyser]

The stuff with hunhow, ballas, and margulis happens in the second half of the Old War

[pale cedar]

Same sort of thing as what happened in WW1

[round crow]

i see

[heady quest]

I believe we will witness the start of Narmer and the hatred of the sentients rising once again

[heady quest]

I hope they add something similar as the computer in the sanctum anatomica with some reports or history texts describing events of the old war. Just some random easter egg lore

[heady quest]

sry but this sounds so funny to me IDK why 😂 "The Old Battle" 😂

then the New War quest should of been the New Battle 😂

[ocean geyser]

Why would we see the start of Narmer?

That takes place after/during the New War

[pale cedar]

Before Narmer we had the Sentient beasts as just that

Beasts

[ocean geyser]

Or at the very least they were sentients with animal heads

Basically everything besides weaponizing the Tenno happened in the second half of the old war

[heady quest]

Yeah but by the voicelines of Pazuul it sounds like Narmer was founded a long time ago as a nation on Tau. Narmer could have been founded after the old peace as they then planned an all out assault on the Origin system and by the time they arrived back we are already thousands of years in the future so that Ballas can then make an alliance since he remembers the old peace and manipulates it this way as to join.

[ocean geyser]

Which… which voicelines suggest this?

[heady quest]

makes a lot of sense to me that that is happening with Adis probably being betrayed by us and making Narmer.

[ocean geyser]

Considering i have no idea how you’re drawing these conclusions
No, it doesn’t

[heady quest]

he just says Lords of Tau but I mean... Adis taking his orokin mask off and with the Ballas broadcast and Narmer music in the demo.... come on

I am like 50% certain we gonna see the start of Narmer

maybe not directly like maybe not mentioned immediatly but this might be events leading up to the creating of Narmer

what Albrecht has to do with this I am not sure

[woven coyote]

ok senator armstrong

[tall echo]

Hey that's my joke

[tall echo]

Not an orokin mask
Ballas is there bc he's one of the seven and particularly what seems to be the war guy of the 7, music is a similarity at best

[hexed oxide]

"war guy"

[heady quest]

not the orokin orokin mask i mean. Just that Adis took off his blue face place which just reminds me of an orokin

and yeah maybe that is just Ballas theme playing but it is a big part of the Narmer Theme too

[green beacon]

So wait we’re nokko and Yareli paternal siblings before they were turned into frames or do they just say they’re siblings

[pale cedar]

Vibes not siblings

[green beacon]

Ah

[old dome]

i just thought of this but. considering the fact that the corpus & grineer have their own languages in the far future,, & hollvania has its own (+ a multitude of others too??)....... what if the only reason the protos & drifter can understand each other is bc of the infestation or void powers?

im probably just overthinking stuff...

[silk atlas]

I'd say you are. 3 of them worked with Arthur directly in the military (Aoi, Quincy, Lettie), and the other two necessarily have to speak English because Amir is from Libertaria and Eleanor literally grew up with Arthur. Velimir and Minerva are Libertarian too.

[old dome]

ok but they all lived in the same. timeline... they didnt come from the far future where languages are completely different than 1999.

does that make sense??

[silk atlas]

Oh you mean them with Drifter

At worst it'd be like us trying to speak with medival peasants, frankly. The fact we have so much connection between people through the internet has slowed down dialects changing to almost a dead crawl.

[oak moat]

From brooding gulfs are we beheld by that which bears no name.
Its heralds are the stars it fells, the sky and earth aflame.
Corporeal laws are unwrit, as suns and love retreat.
To cosmic madness, laws submit, though stalwart minds entreat.
In luminous space, blackened stars, they gaze, accuse, deny.
Roiling, moaning this realm of ours in madness, lost shall die.
Carrion hordes trill their profane accord with eldritch plans.
To cosmic forms from tangent planes, we end as we began."

Baro has been quoting this backwards

[pale cedar]

Indeed

[hexed oxide]

so he's just speaking translated void tongue and talking about xaku's 3

thinking about it, how come baro has had no contact with the indifference in all the time he spent in the void ?

[tall echo]

He did

[hexed oxide]

huh

when, how and what happened ?

[tall echo]

Hold on

[bright temple]

#lore-discussion message

[tall echo]

Ugh yea thanks I was looking for a screenshot

[hexed oxide]

ah

baro ki'teer boss fight ?

[misty salmon]

next week Baro comes and just stands there and grins...

[humble sierra]

Those are parts of the Requiem poems, but backwards

[green beacon]

So the lore of oraxia what is it again?

Along with kullevro

Beside being stuck in duviri

[pale cedar]

Oraxia was the guardian of the Island and Wally used Albrecht’s face to get her to serve Wally

[green beacon]

And kullevro was a prisoner set to constant torture via fighting in arenas right?

[round remnant]

Same, it made me laugh when he said it backwards 🤣

[green beacon]

Thee best prime

[round remnant]

Agree 👍

[green beacon]

Fish girl is peak frame

[pale cedar]

Kullervo created the island while guilty reliving his 7 crimes of

1. Murder

2. Cowardice

3. Flight From Just Custody

4. Treason

5. Espionage

6. Second count of Treason

7. Attempted Regicide

[green beacon]

Those also correlate with the spirals right?

And

Kullevros the creator!?!?

[proper barn]

No

[proper barn]

Not of all the spirals just his like island.

[pale cedar]

His island only appears in the negative emotions

[green beacon]

Oh, the arena? Iirc

[pale cedar]

Yeah, Duviri being in the Void means you can still do CE in it

[green beacon]

Ce?

[pale cedar]

Conceptual Embodiemt

[green beacon]

Ah

[pale cedar]

That's how Duviri was made

[green beacon]

Oh yeah drifters mind, when he was stuck on the zariman

[pale cedar]

He read the book and it didn't work so it became real

[green beacon]

So basically anything or anyone can be created or manifested whilst in the void

With an extent

[pale cedar]

If emotional enough, yes

That's why the book existed, to help you with emotional regulation while in the Void

[green beacon]

But couldn’t? So drifters mind accidentally created the duviri realm/reality

[pale cedar]

Pretty much

[green beacon]

Oh yeah isn’t the new frame coming out an orokin in his proto variant?

Or is the blue skin caused by the Helminth strand

[hexed oxide]

he's an orokin

helminth doesn't do that afaik

[pale cedar]

Blue skin is a cosmetic thing they did to themselves before they even created Helminth

Or well cultivated

[green beacon]

What’s his frame called again?

[pale cedar]

Uriel

[green beacon]

Ah

Do we know his abilities and what one can be subsumed

[pale cedar]

We know he has this spinning in air ability

Abilities in Devstreams are subject to change

[green beacon]

Ah

I still feel like this community is thee nicest gaming community

[pale cedar]

So rn there's the spinning ability I don't remember if we actually got the name of yet

[green beacon]

I just remembered, chroma’s in the infested section of the codex why is that? Also is chroma more infested than nidus or is nidus just pure helminth infested virus

[pale cedar]

Don't think pure is the right word tbh

Nidus is just like a frame with Infested abilities Helminth likes the most

[light laurel]

I think nid is more, after all his abilities are literally infested them
ed

[green beacon]

So chroma is an infested dragon right? Iirc

[light laurel]

Chroma in the infested section cuzbin the new strange quest it was overridden by the infested

[green beacon]

Ah

[light laurel]

Chromas just a dragon, he's infested cuz he was a infested enemy at some point

[pale cedar]

Chroma is an Infested human with a little bit of Dragon

[light laurel]

I mean he's not a really good dragon but hes trying (chroma rework when)

[green beacon]

Just expands out wings and does a fire swoop for his forth

[olive salmon]

Same with why Mesa is in the Infested section, even though this is only because of Mutalist Alad V’s machinations.

[light laurel]

I think athats his 1 no? His fourth render him naked and puts down a turret that boosts cred drops

[green beacon]

Oh yeah he’s one of the best cred farmers

[barren jasper]

does chroma have any lore

[pale cedar]

Not really

[barren jasper]

awesome

[woven coyote]

we also know uriel has 3 "sentinels"

[green beacon]

When’s his next resurgence

If we have a rough understanding on what it is

For chroma that is

[north jolt]

What did I get pinged for

[green beacon]

Idk?

[north jolt]

Why not

[pale cedar]

It was a ghost

[green beacon]

A thrax!

Where!!!

[pale cedar]

Somewhere on the Zariman

[green beacon]

I should really start grinding out for augmented and sell it at r5 before it comes back at an event and becomes dirt cheap again

I need that sweet crisp 720p

Damn never mind it got down to 400p (high end)

[stiff fable]

Late correction, Chroma isn't a dragon, he killed one and wears the skin

[green beacon]

So did he just steal its powers or sum

[stiff fable]

Yeah kinda actually

It's like Siegfried and Fafnir

Siegfried killed the dragon and got covered in its blood, which gave him some of the dragon's strength and toughness

Same deal with Chroma. There was a Sentient dragon, which Chroma merked.

[ocean geyser]

Besides potentially being controlled by hunhow or something? Idk

[dark compass]

Rogue with no tenno, "one of the strongest"

Most definitely a scalie

[stiff fable]

The enemy Chroma's under the "infested" faction...

[strange plinth]

tbf it is, by definition, infested

[ocean geyser]

Yeah but Hunhow’s the guy who yaps about the womb in the sky

[stiff fable]

Right but isn't Chroma trying to break the arcane machine?

[ocean geyser]

I don’t even remember what it does

[stiff fable]

iirc it was the beacon to wake up Hunhow

[hidden glade]

the Arcane Machine does have heavy Sentient aspects, but Hunhow woke up because of the Grineer on Uranus getting closer to where he slept, long after the New Strange quest

[stiff fable]

Hunhow was awake by then because he's luring the Grineer in

The Machine quotes the Popol Vuh (a Sentient mainstay) at the end of New Strange and I believe it was later attributed to Hunhow

[tall echo]

Reminder that sentient faction didn't exist at the time

[stiff fable]

Right but other things have since been moved, like Stalker and the acolytes having their own section

[tall echo]

It's obvious that DE is really good at forgetting about chroma

[stiff fable]

Except when it's nerf time

[wraith condor]

So I just finished the New War last night, and this is my reaction to Veso

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-top-gun-maverick-salute-tom-cruise-military-gif-26899454

[stiff fable]

You mean Venmo right

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/verso-clair-obscur-expedition-33-gif-14195422976268124802

I love Verso

[woven coyote]

Vebo

[celest needle]

Veto was such a great guy

Almost makes you forget the Corpus aren't terrible people

[hexed oxide]

teso was a real one, R.I.P (rest in profit)

[woven coyote]

Sevo was indeed a brave corpus

[celest needle]

He did what no other could do and finally end Alad V's 6 year long arc

[stiff fable]

dw salad will return

[restive river]

Jade Shadows and all of Fortuna proving being Corpus does not mean being evil

Same with Steel Meridian and Kahl’s group but for Grineer

[celest needle]

I know those examples but generally most of the Corpus have been indoctrinated into the idea of profit above all else which drives them to do bad things, doesn't mean there can't be odd one's out.

For grineer, they don't live long enough to realize they are fighting for the queens who will gladly send them to their death but Meridian and Kahl offers them a good chance to fight for actually good causes

[restive river]

The Grineer have the chance to just be defective too

It is interesting to see how there’s good pockets

Then you have the infestation and the closest we get is a manufactured ally with Helminth and if you stretch it, the Protos

[celest needle]

Would be nice to see a bit more good grineer active and about rather then... Kavor.... why the muck does Kavor even exist, Ruk is deader then dead

Kahl's garrison is too small for my liking and steel meridian doesn't do damn

[restive river]

If we get more Narmer we need more Kahl

[restive river]

Quest where SM and Kahl work together

Featuring new Kahl / SM missions

they touch up the kahl gamemode
Idk how

[celest needle]

Give it more variables and introduce more mission types

[restive river]

Yeah
Maybe more gear too

Or modding?

[celest needle]

ooooh, yeah could see outfitting Kahl with a pre-made loadout

Gas City narmer already exists and I'd love for a mission to raid a factory loudly

[restive river]

Yeah it’d be cool to have more tilesets

Maybe one on the Zariman, a rare Narmer infiltration team that the Holdfasts don’t notice til it’s almost too late and for plot the Tenno are busy?

[celest needle]

Narmer going to get actually destroyed by the angels there 😭

No amount of narmer veils can stop you from getting torn apart cause you woke up the glowing state

[restive river]

I want them to try and veil an angel and it just goes
Horribly wrong

Then you have the problem of what’s Kahl gonna do
But maybe something with incarnons or him being our buddy so we gear him up for it?

He can’t do void blasts so maybe he can just contain it til everyone can get away?

[celest needle]

Or better yet

Gotta go into an infested derelict to recover something that Narmer left

Dead Space

[hazy prism]

What if an Angel wakes and suddenly the mission objectives get dropped and it becomes a frantic escape

you can only slow the angel down with some higher power weapons but it can not die

[restive river]

Oooo I like that

[hazy prism]

and since the general powerlevel of Kahl is lower than a warframe it's an actual threat not like Zanuka Hunters and the Grustrag Three

[white goblet]

So... if the operator was using transference into jade during jade shadows... did the operator feel the sensations of giving birth?

[humble sierra]

Yeah

Failing the QTE causes both Jade and the Operator to scream