lore-discussion

[lilac aspen]

We have the twin Kuva guns pistols that work like flintlocks

[green beacon]

Next update, THE OLD WAR, go back to 1799 and help fight in the revolution!

[lilac aspen]

Nah
We need to go back further

Welcome to 99

[green beacon]

Help the people of the Middle East fight back at the raids (this is a joke)

[green beacon]

Oh yeah do we know what year we wake up as a Tenno and when we reconnect to our op

Idrr😕?

[hazy prism]

I find it interesting that even though the 1999 in Warframe implies the colonization of the Americas happened very differently, many countries names are straight up different, DE and Half Life did exist as they did IRL

[sweet quail]

So Leticia in 1999 has 4 mice, but which one sits on her shoulder/hand?

[lilac aspen]

They clearly rotate

[sweet quail]

Real

[barren jasper]

idek if they are going to say the year for the new update

[ashen pulsar]

This doesn’t really have many lore implications it was just a silly thing

[tall echo]

No

Cyberpunk or fallout?

[brittle siren]

I wonder, the reason why Natah/Lotus encouraged us to delve into Tau Memories because her memory about Tau and Old Peace could also have been erased

(and ofc to find Albrecht, before she was cut off by Loid)

[green beacon]

Cyberpunk? What else

[woven coyote]

Chakkur

[tall echo]

...fallout

[tall echo]

In fallout the nukes drop in 2077

Specifically october iirc

[woven coyote]

More relevant too considering the 18 rad wars

[tall echo]

Ye

Cyberpunk 2077 is also only named that bc it takes place in that year, just like some of the previous ttrpg editions being named after their year

[celest needle]

Overwatch

[tall echo]

No

[green beacon]

It takes place in an alternate earth around 2100-2200

IRC

[celest needle]

No it takes place in the 2070s

With OW2's pve mode in 2077

[green beacon]

Wasn’t the omnic uprising not until 2077 and current game takes place 2097 or something like that

[celest needle]

Nah

Everything in the game right now is 2076-2077

[green beacon]

Damn

[stable gyro]

I'm curious if DE has addressed whether or not ||stalkers kid|| will increase in size as it grows or not

[woven coyote]

Dont think they have spoiled that particular future plot point

[stable gyro]

I'm wondering because if it doesn't grow to full size it would be PERFECT for an exalted Necramech idea

[celest needle]

We are not doing reverse evangelion

[stable gyro]

What is a reverse evangelion

[hazy prism]

i mean, it could be considered regular evangelion with jade until the birth

[tall echo]

Excuseth thee?

We are not shoving the child in a corpse cob

[stable gyro]

I am shoving a child in a corpse cob
I wasn't asking you to do it

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-pubg-pubg-mobile-eva-unit01-gif-25709864

[stable gyro]

And actually now that I think about it
We don't even need the Necramech corpse since the child functions as the biological component

[tall echo]

If you try I'm gonna shove you in a corpse cob

[stable gyro]

I wouldn't hate it
I'd get to be a Bonewidow or a Voidrig

[tall echo]

Without armaments

Just the cob not the rest

[stable gyro]

That's not how that works
Tenno trying to craft a Necramech would see me and take the free built pod

[proper barn]

wally and his minions?

[brittle siren]

Wally and the Fragment One is kinda cheating, so if we count purely from normal troops, imo the Infested would be more dangerous

[proper barn]

the infested

can't infect them

but they are seemingly afraid of them.

[brittle siren]

yes but Murmur can't kill them too

[proper barn]

the infested are "afraid" of the void.

[brittle siren]

it like Infested vs the Sentient

also I think infested fear Wally more than the murmur

[proper barn]

or seemingly the murmur.

[proper barn]

oh sure. they did war a lot cuz of the orokin using them as bioweapons.

[hazy prism]

I'd argue the Sentient are the greatest threat as a faction after the Murmur

[proper barn]

i would argue it's the infested.

[brittle siren]

one of the leader is dead, one has daughter issue and PTSD

[proper barn]

well

TAU PROPER

[hazy prism]

but that's just the group that came to the origin system

[proper barn]

might have different leaders.

[brittle siren]

I mean are Praghasa and Hunhow is the first to come to Tau, then they reproduce other giant Sentient as day go on?

[hazy prism]

but I admit that's vague how many Sentient are in Tau, if they even have a functioning society in Tau currently

[brittle siren]

I think if they can sing they would have their own society

[hazy prism]

Like Adis?

[celest needle]

Where was Praghasa even hiding?

Does she even speak?

[hazy prism]

probably not Hiding, since the Orokin forces one way or another were driven out of Tau, Praghasa just stayed back

[misty salmon]

She was floating around on the outskirts of the origin system if I recall... mostly destroyed between the void jump over and the attack on the outer terminus... and no, she's quite brain dead by the time we deal with her.

[celest needle]

So hunhow has it brain dead and half dead sentient ship wife just floating across the system until Narmer reels her back in to EAT THE FRICKING SUN before dying

https://tenor.com/view/rigbycat-rigby-cat-shadow6736-iamrigbycat-funny-gif-2985618463653699699

[hazy prism]

wait did Praghasa invade the origin system in the old war and just stay somewhere in deep space until the New War

[misty salmon]

having some trouble sourcing it, but fairly certain she was the sleeper ship that came over and carried/shielded all the other sentients, sacrificing herself to the void so that they wouldn't be entirely destroyed (just sterilized)

[hazy prism]

yeah that makes more sense actually, the Murex were dormant in space as well

[proper barn]

What?

Who told you that.

[heady quest]

Canonically we have exterminated most of the infestation in the origin system with a few dark sectors remaining. The only heavily infested areas are Deimos, a fairly passive infestation with just giant growth and animalistic behaviour, and Eris with their own hivemind which is the most disruptive one as they actively want to infect others. I’d say infestation isn’t a huge threat and on the same level as Parvos for world domination.

And 1999 doesn’t count as that is a different time

Looking at the teasers of tau in the end of the old piece demo we can see the Sentients and Narmer being a huge threat as they literally made giant sentient space rings around there planet. I’d be more scared of that

But then again with how easily narmer fell after Ballas was gone…

[lean garden]

we cannonically exterminated the infested?

when did that happen lol

[pale cedar]

I think they’re meaning the 18 Radiation Wars

[lean garden]

wouldnt change a second of what I said

the rad wars didnt do diddly squat in wiping out the infestation because theres obviously places to nab more for the warframe project

not even including deimos

[heady quest]

I mean we reduced the infestation to the dark sectors and derelicts. I think it says that in the cephalon fragments

[lean garden]

It uh

dont

infact, the eris fragment is in direct opposition of that statement

because eris is overrun

hell, all of the infestation fragments dont say anything about being exterminated

[heady quest]

Huh I swear somewhere it said that we pushed back the infestation to the Dark sectors and the remaining overrun planets

[pale cedar]

Nora says it’s mostly contained

[green beacon]

Do we have any knowledge what’s gonna happen with jades and stalkers child and if it gonna become a frame in the future?

[strange turtle]

We don’t

[lean garden]

zilch, nada, kosong

[green beacon]

Damn

[strange turtle]

I mean the ending text sets it out as a mystery that’s only gonna get things done with later pretty clearly

The heart is a labyrinth, none darker than Stalker's. At the center lays answers, loss... and life. One life lost, for another gained: life never before seen in the Origin System. An impossible life that, in turn, brought with it more questions than answers

[green beacon]

So wait how did the zariman get stuck in the void and how long was it stuck in the void, also how big is it?

And what faction attacked it before getting stuck in the void

[lean garden]

Something went wrong, jump failed. Dunnow how long it was actually stuck there, some say months, some say years, some say for a brief momement. Its big enough to support a colony to a distant star system

[lean garden]

No one attacked it

[green beacon]

Ah, yeah I didn’t really remember what were the line of events, but all I remember is that there were explosions and alarms, with a room of scared children with you being to calming voice if everyone

[pale cedar]

Kind man named Wally /s

[green beacon]

So wait, with the line of events of drifter and duviri, do we need to complete the main story until new war for it or can we start of with duviri then continue with story, trying to speak in a new player perspective

Can’t though cause been playing since 2018

[lean garden]

duviri is available before the New War but I will always recommend doing it after

[pale cedar]

Duviri quest is placed during New War but can be done earlier unfortunately

[green beacon]

Makes sense cause storyline

Damn I really need to watch a lore video to re-jog my memory

[pale cedar]

Wouldn’t recommend doing that

Would recommend replaying quests though

[green beacon]

Fair, but I’m sick atm so gaming wouldn’t be my best choice for relearning lore for now

[pale cedar]

Most lore vids are outdated rn

[green beacon]

True, lemme due to 99’

[strange turtle]

It’s also not just one zariman but multiple, as revealed by the drifter in KIM chats

[lean garden]

woah there, lets not confuse them

only the 10-0 was a colony ship

[restive river]

The rest were like
Drones

[tall echo]

The 10-0 is also multiple 10-0 at once somehow

[pale cedar]

1-9 were unmanned

[strange turtle]

No I mean the Zariman 10-0

[lean garden]

Its still technically just the one zariman

she's just got... abit of a funky superposition type beat on her

[ocean geyser]

We love our void touched semicircle

[celest needle]

What are the Thrax enemies' relation to dominus

They look so so different

[pale cedar]

A creation

They’re a replacement for Lodun

[lyric raptor]

||Are the techrot coda lich guys the actual On-Lyne singers but infected?||

[opaque zenith]

No, techrot copies

[old dome]

nope! theyre clones. i dont think we know where the og are.

[silk atlas]

They're somewhere

[lyric raptor]

At least we can canonically possibly get more songs from them

perchance

[opaque zenith]

For the oficial relation, both are void creations, no more that i personally remember.
For kind of a strech, Drifter knows about Duviri tales and Old era Grineers, so maybe they got created on the Zariman whoopsie event and leaked to real space (mostly Lua and the very own Zariman)

[tall echo]

Unlikely but hope remains

[opaque zenith]

XX99 with On-lyne religious phase for songs?

[lyric raptor]

Warframe hymns

[normal mountain]

There's one mentioned in the ARG that we haven't heard yet

[jolly cape]

I wonder if The Devil's Triad teaser trailer having a soundtrack from Zariman has any lore implocation or maybe even gameplay implication torwards Uriel. Maybe gsmellay side is a stretch, but I am curious about that choice for sound track.

Not that I think Uriel will be directly related to incarnon stuff or void angels, it does make me wonder if it's more than just a cool track to put in the trailer.

[pale cedar]

Only connection is Zariman attempting to get to Tau

[green beacon]

https://youtu.be/bhIDqWQODAU?si=aWH_SQQwcRa--QKT

This is the video I found to recap the lore

If anyone who is up to date on the main story watch it if you need a recap be my guest

I found it useful

[silk atlas]

Mmm yeah gonna be skeptical of this one if it's saying the blue skin was from Kuva

Okay yeah this is a death by a thousand cuts kind of wrong

Oh God it mentions Oro

[stiff beacon]

oro jumpscare lol

watch it become relevent again with devils triade

[silk atlas]

"Sentients developed their own form of Oro"

Bruh

[woven coyote]

Sounds like another one to the loretuber blacklist

[stiff beacon]

and how long is that?

[lilac aspen]

DE when they make the 69th Warframe jumpscare us with Oro clearly

The Oro frame

[woven coyote]

So far it includes all of them

Tbf to them their concern is just getting views, not getting lore right
But it is still annoying when people come here saying "but muh youtuber"

[silk atlas]

Okay they lost me at Stalker and Unum as "possibly having Tenno hosts"

[woven coyote]

Oof

Sounds like it only gets worse

[silk atlas]

The Sentient Oro comment was the worst part I think

And the Kuva blue skin which is just... We have the Refacia Kit...

[woven coyote]

Sounds like a "everything is kuva and eternalism" type of youtuber

[lilac aspen]

Yeah like
Pretty sure the blue skin is literally just futuristic body modification

Not everything is “because of Kuva and eternalism.”

[silk atlas]

He's making it out like the Infested is some hidden thing

[stiff beacon]

wait seriously?

wtf

[woven coyote]

Sigh loretubers i tell ya

[pale cedar]

Most likely a refacia kit

[lilac aspen]

Infested is so well known that it’s like

“Oh, some infested blood is on this knife. Heh, can you give me a second?”
“Dude, we are so fu-.”

[green beacon]

Hey I only posted cause I thought the lore was accurate, but I guess i need to replay missions then, oh well time to grind out missions once more

[woven coyote]

Well noone said anything about you posting it, it's understandable that people wanna find a good video condensing all the lore

Issue is that most of them are just concerned with getting views instead of getting the lore right

So they make it sound cool and fill a lot of unknowns with their headcannon without pointing out that its just their guess and not actual lore

[visual dew]

Oh man that’s making me hesitant to say what I was gonna say lol

[woven coyote]

Like making guesses and crafting theories isnt bad

Its only bad when you try to pass it off as confirmed canon lore

[green beacon]

Fair

Wait isn’t a popular fan theory is that dark sector is before 99’ ?

[woven coyote]

Yeah but that was debunked in game and out of game

[green beacon]

Ah

[woven coyote]

Because dark sector is basically a book or movie series in game

And out of game the devs have said several times they arent connected

We just have the easter egg skins and posters in the mall

[green beacon]

Ah

[silk atlas]

Almost half way through the vid (listening at 2x speed)

That tube men comment is... Something

[woven coyote]

Oh boy

[visual dew]

I don’t know what has gotten into me, but I could’ve swore that there was some piece of lore that said two frames were dating before 99. But I don’t remember how I came to such a conclusion

[green beacon]

Why can’t we just have actual loretuber vids that have proper lore

[woven coyote]

Aoi and arthur

They talk about it during their kim conversations

[green beacon]

Wait, would all current frames have a proto variant or only a select few?

[celest needle]

This is the second time a game I know has inaccurate YouTubers

Is this a pattern?

[celest needle]

Select few

[woven coyote]

Only however many albrecht spread around

[visual dew]

brotha whoo

[woven coyote]

Like the slowed down helminth is albrechts idea so only albrecht would spread them around

[green beacon]

Mag and Excaliburs proto variants

In 99’

[visual dew]

i havnt played since pre 99’

i was gonna say Volt and Rhino

[celest needle]

Volt has a proto

[visual dew]

but i literally can’t even find a ship of them

[celest needle]

Rhino got snuffed out of the proto treatment

[woven coyote]

You might be thinking of a valentines day display made by a community artist

[green beacon]

What about nidus?

[jolly cape]

I'm kinds sad Loki didn't get a Proto treatment considering he's one of the OGs. But I get it.

[celest needle]

Ooooooo

He's talking the pride month poster with the two frames

Have it in my orbiter

[visual dew]

i don’t even know anymore :/

[woven coyote]

Yeah pretty sure there is one specifically with rhino and volt

[green beacon]

Wasn’t that rhino and Nezha?

[woven coyote]

Dunno my memory isnt that good

[jolly cape]

Nidus also does not have a Proto frame, I am pretty sure.

[visual dew]

no yeah he’s right

there were a few like that with rhino

you can prob still find them in-game ngl

[woven coyote]

They probably come back every pride month

Just like the halloween and conquera ones we just had

[visual dew]

they’re nice to look at. but I am biased on that

[green beacon]

Fair, plus with his stacks he’d look amalgamated and gross, from what I’d think he’d look like

[celest needle]

Proto dagath

[visual dew]

if I’m not mistaken, the original pride celebration is available to be viewed in the gallery (or part of it)

[green beacon]

Proto kullevro

[lilac aspen]

Proto Nidus will just be
Eleanor but even more freak clearly

New years Proto Nidus kiss

[green beacon]

True but what about when he gets his stacks

[lilac aspen]

Body horror

Xaku and Nidus would just be absolute body horror

[celest needle]

Proto Quorvex is a guy like Carbonite Han solo with concrete who is also dying of radiation

[green beacon]

I could only imagine with nidus’ stacks with just having bone come out of his body like armour or spikes, or even his jaw open like shin godzillas

[lilac aspen]

Shin Godzilla evolution thing going on

[green beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/shin-godzilla-gif-2273844141903183255

Just his lower jaw splitting in the middle separating

[lilac aspen]

Proto Chroma is just some buff dude in a dragon onesie

[green beacon]

Yes

[jolly cape]

I wanted to ask something here for those who know more about the lore than ame and your thoughts on this speculation of mine.

Roathe's answer to Entrati's question in the teaser trailer is somwthing that has kind of been bugging me for a while. At first, i was viewing Uriel almost like a punishment for what Roathe was probably calling out on the experiments they were doing with people and Warframe stuff. But when theRoathe trailer dropped, that didn't make as much sense to me, because for the Entrati question : "Can the Orokin ever be forgiven"

Roathe answers: "What need has a devil for forgiveness when He'll is a lie spun by madmen?"

Entrati asks about the Orokin in general, but when Roathe answers, it's almost like he's focusing it on himself. That he doesn't feel like he needs forgiveness for it, that maybe the perspection we have on Warframe and how vile of an act they are is something he will challenge.

Maybe he wanted to become a Warframe/Proto frame? Maybe he doesn't actually view it as a bad thing and thats something he intends to challenge with the player? Because with all the power Warframes have, maybe he doesn't view it as a bad thing compared to how other Orokin might view them as inferior or "devils"?

[jolly cape]

This movie was so cool. I still like Minus One more. But this scene is amazing.

[green beacon]

Nezha’s proto is just him in a white and pink hello kitty cinnamon roll onesie

[lilac aspen]

I always thought his quote was like

“Why should I beg for forgiveness from my crime when I only spoke the truth in the first place?”

[woven coyote]

Albrecht called him heretic of truth right?

So it could track yeah

[lilac aspen]

Hell is a lie spun by Madmen
Feels like the Orokin were going “No that’s bad and you shouldn’t do that, trust us.”

Roathe: “So that was a lie and I have proof.”

[celest needle]

Nezha protoframe is going to be too potent for the fan art community, its going to be Bridget 2

[jolly cape]

That's what I thought at first, but then there is. "[...] when Hell is a lie spun by madmen"

As if he's saying their understanding of "hell" is just a lie, or misguided.

Ballas calls the void "hell" when he tries to "kill" us. Sending us back there in the act. So if Roathe is referring to the same thing, maybe he is actually about to challenge our understanding of how bad transforming someone into a Warframe actually is... which might be not that bad, or maybe even good.

[green beacon]

Dear god I can already see the future on what will happen

[woven coyote]

I think this isnt gonna be about warframes but the void, just off the theme of this whole arc

[strange turtle]

It’s a compilation of past (deleted?) lore recaps

[green beacon]

We need these to be official Yareli and Valkyr protos (art by Izeda Datori)

[jolly cape]

I'm thinking this also because of the VA, tbh. The VA also voices Emet Selch in Final Fantasy 14, and it's a character Rebb likes. Emet is notorious for being an antagonist that also speaks in truth and actually challenges the understanding from the protagonist of the world and some stuff. To show his perspective and if they can really say he's a "bad guy" after presenting all that.

So, maybe, Roathe could end up being a character that also comes to challenge our understanding of the Warframe and how bad the Orokin actually are for transforming people into those. Or maybe a challenge to something else related to that. Related to the void.

[jolly cape]

Yeah, maybe this

[strange turtle]

So each section isn’t actually up to date it seems, which makes some of it at least more understandable

[celest needle]

What Tenno be caring for the Orokin 😭

[woven coyote]

So yeah like i said the youtuber cares for view not lore accuracy lol

You know calling the void "hell" opens a very insteresting interpretation of continuity

The most successfull continuity rituals happened in the circulus, where they opened a void portal and read from a grimoire and sacrificed someone while someone else sang

Like continuity really sounds like a deal with the devil when you put those aspects together

[lilac aspen]

Wally and its deals are a good example imagining the Void as hell

[woven coyote]

Yeah
Curious to see how far they will take this tho

[lilac aspen]

Roathe probably figured out stuff about the Void to the extent to call bullshit on how the Orokin were describing the Void

Or maybe high positioned Orokin kept trying to keep the Void stuff under wraps to make it seem not as dangerous

And Roathe found out it was, in fact, very dangerous

[silk atlas]

I got this ping minutes before he went and said that Thrax was possibly a fellow Tenno lmao he wasn't even trying in that part. Unsurprisingly, he got a lot less wrong when he was just recapping the missions instead of looking at lore that wasn't directly shown like in the pre-Awalening stuff

[jolly cape]

I'm starring to think he's actually gonna say the opposite. That messing with the void has just brought a lot of benefits.

The whole game, Orokin included, keeps telling us how scary and weird the Void is. Even Roathe in his answer says "hell is a lie spun by madmen", calling it hell as if it was something negative... but he says thay is a lie.

I'm viewing this as if he's probably gonna try to challenge the notion that previous acts that we may consider evil, that they might nod have ended up being that evil in the grand scheme of things.

Maybe what Uriel told them is that the Warframe and the Tenno, which the Orokin (or at least Ballas) viewed as inferiors, as tools, might actually be superior than them.

I just have this feeling thtmat whatever Roathe will say is not gonna be another affirmation that the void is a chaotic and dangerous place, or that the Qarframe experiments were an inherently bad thing.

If he comes out and he starts saying a lot of stuff that we kind of already believed, I don't think it will be that interesting. Not that it can't be interesting if they explore more of that. But with the way they're handling Roathe, I think he's gonna say some stuff that could be a bit uncomfortable.

[swift sentinel]

I feel like a Nezha protoframe is more likely to look like the guys from Love and Deep Space.

[bright temple]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

DE GIVE ME THIS PROTO YARELI AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[stiff beacon]

we're more likely gonna get like proto loki before yareli tbh

[tropic cliff]

If there a sol and lua religion then there has to be multiple which means that Christianity is there

[tall echo]

Why?

[tropic cliff]

Why not that means I can make a church

[tall echo]

No why does that mean there have to be multiple

[hidden glade]

fictional religions would be a stand in for actual religions, its just easier that way for everyone

if you want to make a church you can just do it because it looks cool

[tall echo]

Yeah I personally don't want real religions in my escapism

[tropic cliff]

Your opinion that you’re entitled to

[tall echo]

I do still want to know why the existence of dualism means there have to be multiple religions tho

Sol&lua are part of one religion

[tropic cliff]

Think about it some of the war frames are based off Chinese gods or something mythological

Wukong and others

[tall echo]

I'd file that under "game design, non canon" but ye

[tropic cliff]

I’m serious. It’s literally an entire mythology. We also have a Loki

It doesn’t mean that they’re actually gods,

[tall echo]

Ik mythology is one of my autism focuses

[celest needle]

Mythology is safer then real world religion

[tall echo]

Mythology is real world religion

Just old

[celest needle]

Which makes them safer

[tall echo]

Then again hunhow quotes real religious texts and lettie recognizes them so ig some rl religions gotta exist

[celest needle]

And besides Aztecs did exist in Warframe, so most likely the other mythologies did too

[hidden glade]

yeah its safe to say itd be more problematic to include modern religions than dozen-century-old beliefs

[glacial bough]

They already include modern religion, Harrow is pretty blatantly a nod to Christianity

[ocean geyser]

I feel like the literal nun is a bit closer to that

[bright temple]

inb4 legally distinct christianity

[ocean geyser]

Lmfao

Hmm ur pfp intrigues me
I think it looks neat
Although simultaneously concerning cause whoever it’s depicting is injured

[celest needle]

Legally distinct and unrelated to any christian religion Priest frame

[swift sentinel]

Harrow Noble also has the super precise rifle drills, right? I wonder what the concept was with that.

[dire mountain]

Because its cool

No but realistically religious figures are supposed to be ritualistic and the rifle drills could be considered a ritual idk

[humble sierra]

I think Harrow's design is specifically Catholicism?

Not too familiar with religions.

And Lyon is subsequently inspired by Catholic priests, and Marie is also influenced by a Catholic nun

[hazy prism]

As a former Catholic, Harrow gives off big Christianity, "we are sinners and must repent" vibes with the self-flagellation (Hitting yourself with a whip) and using a censer for it

also Rell is symbolically a "scapegoat" in the sense that he held back the Man in the Wall for all the Tenno, similar to how a scapegoat is used for religious purposes

[humble sierra]

Rell = space Jesus

[hazy prism]

lowkey sorta is, granted the concept of a scapegoat is very old, older than Jesus

[twin wigeon]

i think its more culty than catholic...

idk, im not a religous guy

[stiff beacon]

the closest term would be martyr

[broken elm]

Yeah but space Jesus is really accurate

[celest needle]

Rell died for Albrecht's sins 😭

[broken elm]

So rell

[proper barn]

not really.

[modest surge]

why're we called the "tenno"? is it because of zariman "ten zero"?

[dire mountain]

Yes

10-0
Ten zero

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/hayden-tenno-dark-sector-darksector-darksector-hayden-warframe-gif-16497216777777916835

[restive river]

He was really good in the book but the movie just wasn’t the same tbh

[ebon reef]

This makes absolutely no sense but hear me out:
What if the stalker and jade's baby turns out to be equinox?
The light and dark contrast makes sense as well as her parts being dropped on Uranus which is where jade and the stalker lived

Although it doesn't make sense as the baby seems to have jade's light as well as 2 eyes and the timeframe being weird

[digital grail]

Yeah no that doesn't work

(Insert name) is its own very very unique entity being the first warframe birthed from another

Making it a pre existing warframe would make no sense and be boring

[restive river]

Yeah the baby is explicitly unique

Equinox doesn’t really match the theme either
And the genders don’t match but ofc that can change with time, but the baby is recent vs Equinox being from the Old War

[hidden glade]

Equinox already exists long before Jade and Stalker storyline
Equinox is a woman
Warframes growing is evidently unmeasurably slow

[pale cedar]

Baby also doesn't really have an equinox theme

[restive river]

The baby’s growth was slow because of Ballas

We have no idea how long it will take for the baby to grow now that it’s here

[ebon reef]

I wonder if due to it being a completely organic warframe from birth it'll be stronger than any of the frames we have now

[restive river]

He potentially has jade light powers and will be taught by Stalker
He’ll be strong for sure lol

[ebon reef]

Like the protoframes and I'm gonna go on a whim and say the original warframes all had to learn how to use their new bodies and powers whereas in this case he will always have had these powers and more time to learn and control them

What if entrati finds out about it and wants to see what would happen if you give an all organic warframe the helminth strain?

[restive river]

Nothing?

[ebon reef]

Would it do nothing or would it become twice as strong

[restive river]

It already has the helninth strain

[pale cedar]

You can't Helminth something already Helminthed

[restive river]

Can’t infest what’s already infested

[ebon reef]

But does it actually have the strain?
It was birthed from a warframe who had it yes but does that mean it carried over?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[hidden glade]

I dont see this really stated anywhere, we dont really have anything to say its growth would speed up now that it is independent of Jade, we have never witnessed a Warframe age beyond Jade who dedicated centuries of energy solely into development

[restive river]

"There is plentiful strength within you – but only to keep you preserved as you are now. Your child, alas, will never grow. Even if you fed it with all the strength in your body! Perhaps if you lay lifeless for a year, the child would twitch a little. A century and its heart might begin to beat. A thousand years, and who knows? Perhaps you might feel a kick."

It was slowed due to Ballas when within Jade
But yes now that it’s out who knows

[hidden glade]

ah yeah the last Memory Feather, I was reading through them again now and just jumped

[restive river]

Jade had to put all her energy into the child, now that it’s here it doesn’t need any more energy it has all it will ever need

It could grow fast or the average rate of a human, we don’t know

[ebon reef]

Tbf I hope we find out more about the baby and its development
Because by the looks of it we're going to a whole other solar system where we're probably just gonna keep chasing entrati

[restive river]

He is the likely reason for us going, amidst whatever we may uncover in the Old Peace

But we may not find out about the baby for a while
It just depends on if its relevant to the arc

Which afaik Jade Shadows isn’t part of the current arc at all

Maybe after
They’ll need stuff for after we do whatever we will be doing with Wally

[silk atlas]

Stalker literally pissed off to nowhere so he's not going to be relevant for a while

[ebon reef]

Oh yeah definitely
I'm pretty sure the lotus wants answers from him
Well as to what looks like the lotus
I think the man in the wall has partial control over her

[hidden glade]

if DE revisit it I only see it as something ages down the line for them to wrap up after Void War arc. for now, Im just waiting to see what they have to say for reasonable setup to go to Tau rather than "idk the community kept mentioning it so its getting shoehorned in"

[restive river]

He only comes back as tribute to Jade or to mess with us lol

[restive river]

Why would she want answers
And
What?

[ebon reef]

The lotus seems super pushy when it comes to us going to Tau in the old peace demo we got
I think wally is using the lotus to use us to find entrati

[restive river]

I mean so far the Old Peace is a perfect way to visit to Tau
And I’m sure within that we will get our motive to go there

Likely Albrecht, possible the finger being there too

[hidden glade]

yeah I just want the motive to be good is all

[restive river]

Idk if he needs to use us for that
Old Peace is the sister story to 1999 so he’s busy finding Albrecht while Operator relives their history

[pale cedar]

I hated how players reason to go was always

It would be cool

[restive river]

Same, which him going there for the finger and us to go after/get it is good motive

[ebon reef]

I mean following the idea that entrai made the protoframes it would make sense that he ended up making the devil's triad
So that would mean he went to Tau right?

[restive river]

If Albrecht knew the war wasn’t going well, which it wasn’t then sending the Finger to Tau would be good
The Sentients aren’t gonna mess with void tech

[hidden glade]

I strongly feared and denied Tau content leading up to Tennocon because Im just afraid of how DE are going to handle it from both a narrative and gameplay angle. I trust DE to make the game well and they have been doing so, but this is like the #1 most important thing to me for them to get right. while Ive warmed up to Old Peace, there was very little about it actually screams "Sentients" to me

[restive river]

???
We know he made the triad, he made all of the protoframes
And what does that have to do with Tau?

[restive river]

I think the Old Peace is the perfect way to introduce Tau and goes back to us uncovering lost memories
It’s Tau in modern day that I too hope they get right, which I think they will

[ebon reef]

I just assumed the tower game mode we saw took place in Tau as its in the same menu
Kinda like duviri and the isleweaver

[restive river]

It doesn’t look like it has any connection really, it’s really weird tbh

Operator gets to revisit memories of Tau while Drifter gets something entirely different WITH the Triad somehow being there too?

[ebon reef]

But don't we see uriel on the poster of the old peace?

[restive river]

It could be something solely within the mind, which makes sense

[restive river]

He’s just part of the update, the triad aren’t in Tau.

[ebon reef]

I guess it's just for marketing tbh

[restive river]

Yeah :p

They almost always do that with the new frame

Also cause the update is in two halves so they had to market both without revealing too much at the time

[ebon reef]

Its very odd to have them as part of the same update

[restive river]

And the star of the update is the cinematic quest

[restive river]

Not really, both are part of the current arc

The Triad gives us info on Albrecht
Old Peace sets us up for Tau
Tau being what’s next in the current arc

[ebon reef]

ahhhhhh gotchu

Thanks for clearing that up

[restive river]

Ye

[celest needle]

Why are we even going to Tau?

[hidden glade]

no clue yet

[celest needle]

Albrecht messed with the Triad mainly

[strange turtle]

She’s pushy because following Old Al to Tau is our only lead on doing anything against Wally

[ebon reef]

So albrecht did go to Tau?

[restive river]

For Old Peace it’s to revisit memories, for unknown reasons but also to gain powers and memories we lost

[ebon reef]

I'm so confused

[strange turtle]

Yes, he says this and so do we in KIM

[restive river]

Probably!

[celest needle]

How did he get to Tau from 1999

He just shot us and BOLTED

[restive river]

He says “Tau in Sight”
That’s it

[ebon reef]

Wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff

[restive river]

Yeah no that’s kinda a big question

We have zero idea how he’s doing what he’s been doing
Def just. Tech cause he’s smart but
How did he get to Tau when it’s so hard to get there?

[ebon reef]

Perhaps the helminth?

[restive river]

Eeeh

[ebon reef]

There must be one in Tau since there's warframes there

[restive river]

He can’t do it like we did though

[celest needle]

Really funny if he shot us then bolted for the solar rail right after

[restive river]

We got to 1999 through transference and the helminth
Also the infested communicating with itself throughout all time it exists

Albrecht can’t do transference like us, as far as we know we’re the only ones that can benefit from essentially teleportation via transference

[hidden glade]

Helminth sort of dealt with our Time Travel, Infestation doesnt perceive time the same as us, but fast travel across entire Solar Systems? thats quite different

[restive river]

Most he could do is control something

[ebon reef]

Could it be possible that the body he used continuity on was a tenno?

[restive river]

No

Not at all

[celest needle]

Albrecht is against continuity

[hidden glade]

the Zariman literally didnt exist until long after his discovery of Void at all

[restive river]

He swore off continuity after his experience with Wally out of fear which predates the tenno entirely

[ebon reef]

He must have used it at some point because there's a portrait of him where he's blue like an orokin

[restive river]

Yes
He did
But that was before the Tenno ever existed.

[celest needle]

His current body is the body he's used since

[restive river]

He didn’t have time travel until after his experience with Wally

[strange turtle]

Blue isn’t from kuva

[restive river]

Blue is just cosmetic

[strange turtle]

Blue is just a cosmetic thing, like the long arm

[pale cedar]

Blue is most likely from a refacia kit tbh

[restive river]

It has been modified but that was to regrow stuff that got damaged

[strange turtle]

we can get it and several other colours with refacia kits from maxxing focus schools

[restive river]

Like his skin

[hidden glade]

whether or not he looks different now because of Continuity: undoing genetic modification isnt necessarily insane considering the things the Orokin achieved

[celest needle]

I wonder how Wally will come into play with the old peace or triad

We haven't seen him at all

[ebon reef]

I think he's using the lotus to use us to find albrecht in tau

[restive river]

The Triad takes place after 1999 so

I doubt that

[ebon reef]

She had the face to face with wally at the end of the old war and has been acting weird ever since

[restive river]

Lotus just being manipulated again after having her story told would be. Weak

[restive river]

She’s been acting weird because death changes a sentient, because she’s three minds in one body.

After everything she went through she’s shockingly normal

[ebon reef]

Yes but she seems super dismissive of the operators wellbeing whilst we search tau

[strange turtle]

That and the evil void man telling her to give it her kid

[pale cedar]

She's acting weird because a Wall man is being a Wall man

[restive river]

Yeah that too

[pale cedar]

Better question
How can she be at the edge of the Void without dying?

[restive river]

Considering the current situation we’re in and Operator even being understanding
Eeeh

[ebon reef]

You would have thought after everything we went through she'd be a bit more careful about pushing us

[strange turtle]

It’d be more concerning if she was acting the same atp

[restive river]

What’s more plausible
Them just rehashing her being manipulated again
Or
Her being changed, which Hunhow said she would be, due to what happened throughout her story.

[ebon reef]

Oh yeah and then there was the 1 frame margulis jumpscare as we went back into tau

[restive river]

Likely Margulis’ seals breaking and trying to steer us away

She sealed away our memories for a reason

[ebon reef]

I suppose the old peace will answer a lot of our questions

[restive river]

It will

And def give us more
As is the usual lol

[woven coyote]

Business as usual yeah

[stiff beacon]

de's usual quest mo: you receive answers - we give you double the questions

[raven oar]

I am very interested in the old peace i have several theories about this adis character that if am right things real get interesting

[pale cedar]

What theories you got?

[raven oar]

Ok my evidence about this theory is mainly circumstantial but it Started With death stream 190 Toward the end when they showed that artwork for the old piece And those 6 prime frames

I believe they represent the 6 focus schools but I 1 of them stood out the most and that is caliban prime who represent tauron i believe they are characters we are going to meet in the old peace but back on topic that character probably represents adis

[outer snow]

There are 5 focus schools, but I'm thinking five of them represent the focus schools and Caliban stands out. I just hope it doesn't represent content that's restricted to those six warframes.

[raven oar]

Since it seems like de is setting up adis to die in the quest I have been wondering something

De from my experience likes to subvert expectations that seems to predictable for them so I wonder if adis is not the one that dies but we do

And adis takes our place

[pale cedar]

But if that was the case
The it was them or me would make no sense because Operator wouldn't be alive to have the memory

[raven oar]

What if adis takes our oro maybe that would allow him see our memories

[pale cedar]

Oro is irrelevant

[strange turtle]

…I feel like Wally would’ve mentioned something like that by now

[pale cedar]

Us dying makes like no sense to happen

[celest needle]

We’re probably going to kill Adis with a blown out of proportion misunderstanding when the peace deal with the sentients comes apart

[outer snow]

I would hate that.

[strange turtle]

It also wouldn’t really make sense with a bunch of other stuff, yeah

[pale cedar]

It was them or me only makes sense if we are alive because we're the one saying it not Adis

[raven oar]

Not if he thinks he is us

[outer snow]

I would hate it because it wouldn't make any sense and it would completely undercut the story of the Operator and the Drifter.

[pale cedar]

Yeah

The quest is our memories

For us to go through the memories we'd have to be alive

[outer snow]

That would genuinely ruin the The Old Peace for me. It would also ruin The Second Dream, The War Within, The New War, Duviri Paradox, etc.

[pale cedar]

It isn't going to happen anyway

Adis isn't the main character

Adis won't become it either

[spice spade]

I wish to push a theory, if someone ate a whole operator, would they be able to exert void energy like an operator?

[outer snow]

The entire point of you being the Tenno who killed their parents, made a deal with Wally, had another version of yourself who didn't get rescued, was raised and protected by Margulis, remembered when Margulis was killed, became warriors of the Orokin, betrayed the Orokin, woke up to fight the Grineer and Corpus, woke up for real during TSD, remembered their past during TWW, remembered their connection with the Warframes with the Sacrifice, and fought Ballas in TNW would be ruined if the story is that you're actually a Sentient who took the place of the Tenno.

[pale cedar]

Depends on who tries the eating

[spice spade]

Lets say a grineer

[strange turtle]

Probably not

[pale cedar]

Grineer would have to first break us down to eat us

[spice spade]

Ok so lets say that hypothetically, theoretically, the TOOBMEN

[outer snow]

If they were able to eat us, there probably wouldn't have been any Void energy left in us, so they probably wouldn't exert Void energy.

[strange turtle]

Tenno powers come from Wally giving them a piece of himself. Without a way to actually “take” that piece they’d probably just saturate themself with void radiation

[spice spade]

Well that’s the thing, wouldn’t it then just be that they “took” the piece via consuming an operator?

[strange turtle]

No because it’s not literal like, physical stuff

[pale cedar]

Void Angels could feed off us

Infested wouldn't be able to do it

Not sure if Sentients can even eat

[spice spade]

Sentients are weak to the void

[celest needle]

I wonder what we would gain from going back to the memory of the rebellion unless, which is probably, we are able to take some things from the memory into the main timeline.

[raven oar]

Ok i get your Point but killing aides is too predictable and from my understanding oro is the soul is it not possible for us to possess adis

[tall echo]

Oro is nonexistant

[strange turtle]

Like Wally didn’t implant a literal piece of him somewhere in our body. It’s like, a metaphysical or consciousness thing

[pale cedar]

They're weak to Void damage
Lotus could pick us up without getting Void damage
Lotus could be carried by us without Void damage

[tall echo]

They're weak to getting exposed to void energy

[pale cedar]

Not like we leak energy or anything

Otherwise shed be damaged

[raven oar]

@pale cedar Can you please answer my question why do you think oro is irrelevant

[tall echo]

Bc DE indirectly said so

[raven oar]

When was this

[pale cedar]

Albrecht said it wasn't worth debating it

[tall echo]

One of albrecht's notes has him basically say "discussions about oro are irrelevant"

[pale cedar]

“It was not necessary to explore queasy debates about the Oro; animal minds simply lacked the full distinction of a singular persona. My Kalymos, I was sure, was an exception, but I would not sacrifice that loyal being.”

[strange turtle]

I mean I don’t think they meant it is literally irrelevant but just like, it’s not that important or major of a thing

[pale cedar]

Plus consider Oro was made for a gamemode and wasn't mentioned at all for 10-11 years

[strange turtle]

Like “it’s just your consciousness/soul, it’s not a big deal”

[pale cedar]

Even Teshin when mentioning it was Teshin saying it was what the enemy had who like the Tenno could survive death

Also consider it was something that was made before the Operator was a thing

[bright temple]

That’s how I’ve always interpreted it also

[raven oar]

That in some ways proves my point if say theoretically adis kills us and takes our oro would he not be us then

[strange turtle]

No???

[bright temple]

I mean still Adis killing the Operator and taking our place feels like something that would come out of left field and just make a lotta players upset for no reason

[raven oar]

I know but the alternative is not great either

[outer snow]

The alternative (Adis dying) is better than what you theorize. You know, maybe Adis doesn't die.

We know the Sentients survived the war, despite their defeat, and are in Tau. Perhaps he's not dead. We'll find out in a month and a half, I suspect, or in a year.

[tall echo]

How would that WORK?

[raven oar]

It is too predictable the traumatized chid soldier thing is over done and the operator has to contend with the drifter as a man character who might i remind you is borderline time god the kid as character is kind of out maxed in the character department

[tall echo]

The operator is very clearly alive dude

[outer snow]

So you want a traumatized robot child soldier instead of a traumatized human child soldier. Got it.

[feral cape]

Not what he said at all actually

[tall echo]

Lay off the nitain

[raven oar]

we will see how this plays out

[tall echo]

Drifter isn't a time god

[raven oar]

He is pretty darn close

[feral cape]

He makes it clear regardless of your (in universe people) stance on oro the animal mind is far too simple to posses a complex persona

He even right after claims his own kalymos an exception

[tall echo]

No :)

[feral cape]

No ):

[patent cargo]

not even remotely

[feral cape]

Maybe?

[raven oar]

We will have to agree to disagree on that

[feral cape]

No we wont

[tall echo]

Drifter controls duviri in general, drifter only takes over the loop albrecht created

[feral cape]

This isn't an agree to disagree thing drifter needed albretch to create and then hand over a timeloop

[tall echo]

And the duviri thing is bc they literally created it

[feral cape]

Which anyone could do

[tall echo]

Ye

[raven oar]

Ok but if say someone created a time loop but that same someone also so give it to me to control would i not be the time god then

[bright temple]

No?

The Drifter hasn’t shown any further capacity to control/manipulate time beyond what has been shown

[raven oar]

Not yet

[bright temple]

Sure, but that still doesn't make them a "time god"

[tall echo]

"God until proven mortal" isn't a thing

[bright temple]

I haven’t exhibited signs of being able to control and manipulate fire, this doesn’t make me out to be a sun god

[tall echo]

"I am immortal. Evidence: I haven't died yet"

[bright temple]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-6564373007119861775

[tall echo]

-# Btw your pfp is great

[raven oar]

You haven't been able to control fire but the drifter has shown he can control time in duviri and 1999

[pale cedar]

You're cheating though cuz you're a Cephalon

[tall echo]

I was quoting a tumblr

[bright temple]

Thanks I found it myself

[bright temple]

To an extent I would say is impressive, but not godly

[tall echo]

Duviri isn't good evidence

[pale cedar]

There's no gods in Warframe

[raven oar]

If that doesn't make you a god then nothing can

[bright temple]

The only thing god-like in Warframe is the Indifference

[pale cedar]

A ton of characters in fiction can control time and aren't gods

[tall echo]

Including warframes

[raven oar]

Maybe not on paper but in patience it can make people Proceed you to be a God

[pale cedar]

Actually the only known gods in Warframe aren't even confirmed to be real

Drifter doesn't have time powers the chair does

[raven oar]

I don't know the indifference sems pretty darn real to me

[tall echo]

Not a god

[pale cedar]

Drifter also didn't create the loop

Having time powers would mean you can create a loop

Or edit a loop

[tall echo]

Or end a loop

[pale cedar]

Gods can do much more than control time

Gods who can control time would be able to do it anywhere anytime any place

[raven oar]

Well he probably could end the loop in 1999 he just doesn't want to

[pale cedar]

He can't

[raven oar]

Your proof

[pale cedar]

Only Albrecht knows how the loop works

[silk atlas]

What's the proof that he can, first off

[patent cargo]

plus everything would go to sh** if the loop was broken

probably

[pale cedar]

Protoframe would no longer be protoframe but full frame

And the year 2000 would come with a bunch of stuff happening

[silk atlas]

Well things in the loop are going bad because the loop exists, thanks to Temporal Archimedea being a thing

But Protoframes are doomed to be full frames anyway, just that inside the loop that doesn't matter because they're being Groundhog Day'd

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/timeloop-warframe-begin-again-begin-again-gif-170084454081808753

[raven oar]

I like how this conversation evolved from my insane theory to is the drifter is a god

[pale cedar]

Both are insane theories

[silk atlas]

Yeah

[raven oar]

At least the drifter one has more evidence

[bright temple]

Ehhh..

[pale cedar]

Drifter one is misrepresentation of facts

[raven oar]

I would not go that far

[pale cedar]

The we are the person who died one has 0 supporting evidence

Drifter one is you assuming a chair having power to control a loop makes you a god

[raven oar]

Can we agree to disagree on this and move on Hopefully we can get our questions answered in the old peace

[pale cedar]

Anyone can control the loop of Duviri by sitting on a chair

Your theory for Old Peace doesn't need answering though

We didn't die

[lilac aspen]

We all know the real answer though
The Chair is the God

Just pretends to be a chair

[silk atlas]

Wait what was the theory for The Old Peace?

[raven oar]

That adis and the operator is one and the same

[silk atlas]

Okay that's wack

[pale cedar]

They think Adis is the one who becomes the main character and that we die in the quest

[raven oar]

I think we are still the same it is also that we are a sentient

[lilac aspen]

We aren’t

[pale cedar]

But we aren't a Sentient

[lilac aspen]

No sentient can use void

[pale cedar]

We are a human

[patent cargo]

this is like borderline a conspiracy theory

[pale cedar]

This is giving me dejavu from a discussion in the other server that I had to end

[lilac aspen]

That being said I’d love a section of old peace being playing as Adis

Like how New War and 1999 had us play as other people

[pale cedar]

I'd love a quest where we can play as a Sentient but I know for a fact we aren't a Sentient

[raven oar]

Is this channel not for lore and theory and i am trying to keep it respectful

[pale cedar]

We are sentient but not a Sentient

I haven't once tried asking you to stop

[silk atlas]

And people can explain why they think the theory feels completely out of line with the story DE has been putting in so far. Like, firstly, the fact we had human parents on the Zariman.

[pale cedar]

I said I had to end a convo like this in the other server

[raven oar]

I know that but it does feel like you are giving me the 3 degree with some of your responses

[pale cedar]

I'm not

[lilac aspen]

Second is Sentients are deathly weak to Void

So even if we are a sentient we should be basically vaporizing out of existence

[raven oar]

The lotus can use void abilities

[tall echo]

No

[pale cedar]

You presented an idea
I explained why your idea doesn't make sense

If you're gonna present a theory don't get mad when people expose the flaws in it

[silk atlas]

She just has generic laser beams like most of the Sentient units, those aren't Void.

[pale cedar]

She's literally weak to Void based damage

Sentients were created with Void weakness

[silk atlas]

You can see similar kinds of light blue (but importantly not Void) energy from the Eidolons during their attacks.

[lilac aspen]

Natah’s beams were just sentient beams
Really strong sentient beams
She did just absorb three archon shards

[silk atlas]

There's also the not-really-lore-but-very-much-in-character problem of the Orokin would be absolutely pissing themselves if one Sentient decided to just somehow just ignored this Void weakness.

[pale cedar]

There's people who assume she held Wally back when in reality her shields weren't even phasing Wally

[lilac aspen]

Wally showed up to aura farm

And then left

“See my fit, kiddo?”

[lilac aspen]

Bro the Orokin would pack their bags if they heard that

[raven oar]

But isn't not implied that the lotus made a deal with wally to hide the moon in the void

[pale cedar]

No

She used tech

Same tech we destroyed to put it back

[silk atlas]

Isn't Void magic machinery wonderful

[pale cedar]

Not even the only example of a moon in the Void Deimos used the same or similar tech to do it

Advanced society can just do these things

[raven oar]

I don't know about that if that is the case why didn't the orokin use it when the sentients were at their door sep

[outer snow]

Wow, this conversation is still going. I really, really, really hope you're proven wrong, because I don't want them subverting expectations by having Adis replace the Tenno.

[tall echo]

Are. You. Serious.

[celest needle]

Could techrot or the mutalist strain infect a necramech?

[tall echo]

WE SEE THE TECH IN THE SECOND DREAM

[outer snow]

"Infect" isn't the word I would use. Could it grow over a necramech? Absolutely. There's a Prime necramech skin that suggests just that.

[pale cedar]

With the amount of people thinking it wasn't tech

Do Warframe players play quests with eyes closed?

[restive river]

Ahem
Deimos.

[unique talon]

What frame in the lore could win against the omnidroid?

[raven oar]

Yes we do but the orokin doesn't use it it when the sentients attacked the moon

[restive river]

And?

[celest needle]

All of them

Except Loki

[restive river]

How does them not using it mean she made a deal with an entity she didn’t even know about.

[tall echo]

The void isn't exactly a safe place to hang out in

[restive river]

Especially when the tech is not only right there but it was used on two different moons???

[silk atlas]

And even then, that's irrelevant to "Lotus didn't make a deal with Wally to hide the moon away"

Two things can be true.

[celest needle]

But could it get into its systems?

[silk atlas]

The Orokin being stupid or cautious about chucking themselves into the Void so they didn't use it and Lotus using the thing to hide the moon.

[outer snow]

Yeah, I think so.

[restive river]

Also again
She didn’t know he even existed, when he’s brought up in Chains she sees him as a delusion if I’m not mistaken

[celest needle]

So a techrot necramech is possible

[restive river]

We need more techrot themed skins

[outer snow]

I certainly believe it's possible.

[pale cedar]

She also constantly tried to deny that Wally existed

[restive river]

Techrot Nidus deluxe with Techrot Necramech skin, a Techrot bike skin and a Techrot Archgun skin

[raven oar]

Yet in the ropaloist boss she said she had seen the wall other face

[celest needle]

Does that mean the techrot infect other non sentient technology like golden maws and servofish?

[restive river]

And yet whether or not she knew about him doesn’t matter when we see the tech

[celest needle]

Could it get into a solaris’s augments?

[pale cedar]

I've seen your pfp did we make a deal?

[restive river]

When we interact with it
When it’s used on Deimos

[tall echo]

Infested servo are on deimos, golden maws don't seem to exist in the real game world

[restive river]

Nothing points to her making a deal with Wally, let alone that deal being the moon being in the void

[tall echo]

Real raaki vibes

[pale cedar]

Real

[outer snow]

I think it could. While most of the Infested infect living tissue, I think the Infestation is still nanotechnology at its core.

[celest needle]

But that's the grey strain(?)

[restive river]

That just makes things big, thats literally all it does differently

[tall echo]

Eh if infestation can infest techrot can

[restive river]

The infestation could infest anything, it will use anything it gets its spores on

Especially if that thing has anything useful

[tall echo]

Even techrot isn't actually limited to tech

[restive river]

Yeah the Legacytes are gorillas lol

[pale cedar]

It's all fun and games till Infestation tries infesting a child with powers

[restive river]

Also it very obviously spread to others

[restive river]

I think the main reason this hasn’t happened is because the Helminth recognizes it can’t be done, so the rest of the infestation does as well
And maybe cause it loves us, just enough that the rest dont try :)

[raven oar]

Ok I am not sure what raaki vibes are but I declare all of you Victor you all have been me can I leave this conversation now please

[celest needle]

Hmmmmmmmm

So are entities (Duviri, Holdfast) of conceptual embodiment resistant to infestation?

[tall echo]

Basically just "I can't possibly be wrong, everyone's just against me". That's the vibes I get from you

[outer snow]

I wish DE had added Techrot On-lyne fans as enemies.

[restive river]

The Infestation can’t infest void matter

[tall echo]

Infestation is scared of void so probably yes

[restive river]

Likely cause it isn’t “real” matter

[pale cedar]

Anything created by the Void is

[restive river]

We’d be killing civilians then ):
infected yes but idk if the Hex could do that

[raven oar]

I am not saying I am right i am just trying to explain my thoughts

[pale cedar]

Infestation are afraid of the Void cuz they can't do anything to it which isn't helpful when you're a consuming force

[restive river]

It’s easy to deal with Scaldra cause
They’re a cult trying to kill us
The Coda clones are. clones, they’ve always BEEN infested
And the rest of the techrot is the techrot
But infected civilians? Maybe some of the Hex could but idk
Idek if Drifter could until pushed

[raven oar]

I am sorry you feel like that but i just wanted to get my thoughts on the board

[restive river]

They wanna spread their love but the void is indifferent to their advances

[celest needle]

Technically we’re killing the sentient civilians

Or are those different models or something

[pale cedar]

Scaldra also do civilian purges

[tall echo]

Just a tad too determined when given counter evidence is all, you're fine

[outer snow]

Well, part of the story is that a lot of people got Infested, so yeah, they would've been killing Infested creatures that used to be civilians. They'd be putting those people out of their misery and saving the survivors.

[restive river]

?
We’ve been killing fragments so far
Old Peace is the only potential outlier
But that’s during war and we were forced to

[pale cedar]

Good soldiers follow orders

[restive river]

Also if there’s sentients in battle I doubt they’re civilians
Also even a civilian sentient would be dangerous

[celest needle]

Wait so these guys don't just come out like this?

[restive river]

I mean yeah of course but we haven’t actually seen that and my point is it’d be difficult for some of the Hex to do

[restive river]

That’s a fragment

Fragments aren’t their own entities
Just literal fragments of the original

[tall echo]

Unless those order are to kill civilians then you punch your CO and get sent to mars where you have to deal with an invasion from heck

[restive river]

Thats what War is (the weapon)

[raven oar]

I just felt like you were dismissing me before I give you all my evidence

[restive river]

Heck Lotus sends fragments at us and we kill those too

[pale cedar]

Lyst Sentients are always fragments

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-alien-cat-noted-noting-this-down-glorp-noting-this-down-gif-9671578544383486034

Huh
Never knew that

[restive river]

I’m sorry but there isn’t evidence for the theory that she made a deal with Wally let alone one about the moon which has less evidence beyond a single misinterpreted line.

[raven oar]

I am not talking about that

[restive river]

Oh nvm then, carry on

[pale cedar]

I don't shut down theories
I find possible flaws in theories

[outer snow]

There also isn't evidence that Adis will replace the Operator.

[pale cedar]

That just isn't going to happen

[tall echo]

I shut down theories that make no sense

[outer snow]

It better not happen, lol.

[pale cedar]

I know it won't happen

[restive river]

Did you see my theory in the archives? See any flaws? :?

[restive river]

It won’t and if it did it wouldn’t be til next year

[raven oar]

It probably won't but if adis does die then we probably will go straight to the old war and that also have some flaws

[restive river]

It mainly wont cause it doesn’t make sense narratively and DE wouldn’t take away our fashion
Kinda why Drifter isn’t just aged up Operator but alt timeline Operator instead

[restive river]

We can’t go to the Old War

I mean in theory we could yes but it would disrupt too much

That’s our own history we would mess with and boom grandfather paradox

[pale cedar]

Nah cuz it probably got hidden between me and Scrap talking about rekt vs Albrecht in German

[restive river]

Yes palimpsest of spacetime but if Adis died and we saved him that’d cause some issues
Also ofc, when would we even go? We got a wall shaped problem to deal with

[restive river]

I’ll forward it to you

[outer snow]

I think the original plan was for an aged up Operator but they changed it for that reason.

[restive river]

Yeah I believe so

[celest needle]

Go go gadget eternalism

How is the peace deal with the sentients going to end?

[restive river]

Just this once, yes :]

[restive river]

We don’t know exactly yet

We did kill an innocent sentient though

[celest needle]

But what do we think ?

[restive river]

And the Orokin do suck
Like the Separatists are just behind them lol

[restive river]

I think it will heavily involve Adis and a heaping load of trauma

Haha we’re never going to therapy!

[raven oar]

It would and it also would not make much sense given we are at tau i just wished they took us to modern tau anyway way you go here just feels wrong

[tall echo]

We will go to tau proper later

[outer snow]

Probably that the Separatists get the Tenno/Grineer to fight the Sentients and that breaks the treaty.

[pale cedar]

Ducky

Only issue I see with your theory is the Pom-2 doesn't have any infested bits

The one in Orbiter seems to be a substitute for the Pom-2 rather than actually being one

[strange turtle]

We’re getting modern Tau in the 2026 update

[outer snow]

I hope DE does something fresh with the modern-day Tau Sentients, and I hope we actually go to Tau, and not just modern Perita because Perita is a rock and looks pretty boring.

[celest needle]

I wonder how they'll do it

Sentients are such a non-existent faction as of now and unlike the origin system Tau’s planets can be whatever

[restive river]

Ah, but would it need infested bits if its just receiving the transmitted info from the infestation 👀
But also you’re right and the infested itself would be a better transmitter to itself, maybe? But also more risky maybe?

[outer snow]

I hope Tau is a fresh, lush, green planet with a vibrant blue sky and white clouds.

Like, tropical but toxic.

A toxic paradise.

[restive river]

I wonder if they made robots to do all the work for them

I wanna see the proto sentients from their origin story

[celest needle]

Speaking of that can *they please update the Earth lighting like asteroids I'm begging *

[strange turtle]

They’ve got a couple connections to like, idr what one specifically but it was a meso/south american culture

[outer snow]

I was thinking about a month ago that it would be very interesting if we get to Tau and we're helping Sentient rebels fight off their Sentient overlords who end up acting just like the Orokin.

[strange turtle]

So hopefully they’ll have some of their aesthetic inspired form that with a Sentient twist

[raven oar]

Yes I just wanted to go to modern tau now and not over complicate the lore any more than it already is

[copper mountain]

Hunhow is named after the Mayan god of the underworld

[outer snow]

Only if the fix the GI lighting which breaks shaders in certain places.

[tall echo]

Impatient

[restive river]

We don’t have any motive to go there yet let alone a means to go there

[celest needle]

True…
But going to Grineer asteroids and then playing Venus is so jarring holy (sol)

[restive river]

Patience is like
A major thing in Warframe, ya gotta learn to have it
Trust me

[celest needle]

78 hour crafting time

[outer snow]

I want DE to remake Venus to look like Orb Vallid.

Anyway, I wonder if Hunhow will play a role in The Old Peace, and if there's any connection between Hunhow and the Hunhullus.

[restive river]

Exactly lmao

They teach you patience by FORCE

still sad to see Soulframe has build times, but that’s the monkey paw curling for DE cooking banger after banger

[strange turtle]

The New Strange Sentient quotes are also from the Popol Vah(?)

[outer snow]

I mean, there is a solution for people who are impatient. I'm one of them lol. I don't farm and craft if I can avoid it lol

[pale cedar]

Dw I'll just nudge the Zariman

Who cares about Origin anyway when we're going to another system

[restive river]

Ballas aah move

[outer snow]

Yeah, the Popol Vuh.

[patent cargo]

but if we don't have a means to go to tau how the heck are we supposed to go there in the 2026 tau update? are we supposed to just rebuild the intersolar rail to tau or what?

[restive river]

No solution to waiting for updates >:)

[strange turtle]

There is one

[restive river]

Yeah maybe
It will likely be a whole thing lol

[restive river]

Sleeping a lot?

[outer snow]

Yeah. Rewatching the Tennocon demo a hundred times might mitigate the impatience, though. 🙂

[celest needle]

I'm betting using the Zariman

[celest needle]

Plus the memory pool thing

[restive river]

Nope, it needs to plug the hole

[restive river]

Were you like me and replayed the 1999 demo way too many times?

[strange turtle]

…I was gonna follow up with a gif of Albrecht and his gun but there doesn’t seem to be one

[outer snow]

Yeah

[pale cedar]

Better question

How do our Void powers even work in Tau with no Void in Tau

[raven oar]

I also have a new question if what we are experiencing in the old peace is a flashback how do we get loot

[outer snow]

What if we use a portal?

Either that, or we'll use our Railjack.

[strange turtle]

There’s no void halo for void tech from the Heart, but we have a piece of wally with us so our own powers would work

[restive river]

The void is everywhere bud

[restive river]

We don’t, not traditional physical loot anyway

[strange turtle]

And also ig the Railjack

[restive river]

We’ll likely get something to give to Marie to unlock our powers

[pale cedar]

Are you saying the Void on map is bigger than what we see in game?

[restive river]

Yeah for sure

The void is clearly bigger than the sliver on the map

[pale cedar]

Tbh nodes are probably only the places the Orokin mapped in the Void

[restive river]

Anyway we should be fine in Tau, if voidtech was a problem there then the Orokin already fixed that

The real issue would be if the Sentients broke anything irreparably, maybe

[pale cedar]

A certain side of a rail

[restive river]

Also probably the only towers n such, or the mapped ones anyway

Entrati lathorns go brrr

if and this is a big if
if the finger is there that could serve well
Also there could he a heart there too but I’m not betting on that again after 1999 😭

[pale cedar]

I'm surprised the Void could even have an edge tbh

[strange turtle]

The nodes are just the known Orokin towers that they sent there Lua-style. Presumably they could’ve done it anywhere that wasn’t too… Idk I’m assuming void storms happen on the other side as well

[restive river]

Oh dang how do the Triad have their void connection 😭

I hate albert entrati

[raven oar]

So we get something to give Marie a character who hasn't been on tau and probably doesn't know much about the feature

[restive river]

Hasn’t been to Tau, doesn’t need to help us if she’s been guided by Albrecht.

It sounds like its just for us unlocking the tauron abilities, its memories we already had we just need to unlock them

Nothing new, just remembered

Fibinachi gave us tennokai and he’s never been outside water
A character doesn’t need to do a thing to help us with that thing, granted in his situation he had knowledge of it
We just don’t know yet how deep Marie’s knowledge is

[raven oar]

I wished they would have just gone with alternate time line Instead

[restive river]

“Meet with Marie Leroux (Wisp) after delving into the depths of The Descendia to unlock antique items needed to remember forgotten Focus Ultimates.
More information around the rest of the Focus Expansion will be revealed in the November Devstream.”

[restive river]

Why? That’d just complicate things more

[patent cargo]

where was this mentioned?

[restive river]

We also have no connection to that other timeline
We’re reexploring our memories, that’s the point of Old Peace

[restive river]

An interview

[lilac aspen]

An alt timeline would be weird when DE has literally so much past regarding the Tenno to explore

[restive river]

Gamespress interview

Old Peace being directly about our past, about the OLD WAR one of the biggest things in Warframe and connected to the Sentients shouldn’t be some throw away alt timeline

Nah
We remember the Old Peace so we the player are more invested in Tau when we get there in 2026

[raven oar]

It should not be about the old war at all

[restive river]

Why?

That’s a prime thing to explore

Why not explore one of the biggest events in the history of Warframe?

Why not explore and further invest the player in the Operator and their history

[lilac aspen]

Old War is something I also want to explore because if New War was chaotic

How chaotic was Old War with even bigger Sentients fighting the Tenno

[restive river]

Literally a war between two systems

[raven oar]

Because if they mess it up there is going to be hell to pay

[restive river]

I’d rather they try than have it be an alt timeline that they can just drop
That feels weak

[lilac aspen]

Think about
We’d get to Raiden a giga sentient

[pale cedar]

No there isnt

[restive river]

Its like saying they shouldnt have done the second dream, shoulda been an alt timeline

[lilac aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/raiden-cutting-metal-gear-gif-12884556813321003032

[pale cedar]

Nothing so far suggests they are going to mess it up

[restive river]

Us after the sentients started killing civilians for no reason (they turned racist)

Old peace looks very cool in fact

Wall running will be missed but I’m fine with dropping one thing from an update so the rest can flourish

People were worried about 1999
It did great afaik, I think it was fantastic
Heck the devs think so too since they cant stop making protos lol

[lilac aspen]

I don’t see how DE could mess up the lore of the game they made and are still making

They could only mess it up if they actively look at previous lore points that occurred in game and going “That never happened”

[raven oar]

You would rather them probably mass up the lore of one of the most important events in the game rather than them just sending us to another time line or have us go to modern tau

[pale cedar]

Why are you assuming they will?

[patent cargo]

come to think of it, did we even KNOW that the orokin and the sentients had a peace treaty before the old war broke out before the old peace was announced?

[restive river]

1. We’re going to modern Tau, be patient
2. I doubt they will and the Old War is so large and mysterious there’s nothing to mess up.

[pale cedar]

DE very rarely make bad quests

[tall echo]

"I can't possibly be wrong"

[restive river]

I’m not gonna say they shouldn’t do something based on a “what if they mess up”
By that logic they shouldn’t make the game

[lilac aspen]

We never knew
Which from a lore standpoint makes perfect sense since the history kinda got lost to time

[restive river]

Make it all an alt timeline and nothing matters!

[proper barn]

The old peace is during the old war.

[patent cargo]

technically before

[restive river]

Its during

[proper barn]

No.

[pale cedar]

During

[proper barn]

Can't be before.

[restive river]

Operator mentions how they were at war to Adis

Its a brief pocket of peace between the start and end

[raven oar]

Ok sotp putting words in my mouth

[proper barn]

The warframes and tenno only start being used after the old war starts.

Not to even mention Adis talking about the war.

[pale cedar]

My brain for a split second thought you said Operator said they were at war with Adis

[raven oar]

2 more question then

[restive river]

Yeah they totally were personally at war with Adis, thats why they were spar- i mean fighting
Yes
To the death..:

[humble sierra]

The Old Peace is a peace treaty during the Old War. Tensions are high and it'll likely end with the war starting again

[restive river]

And then later down the line Hunhow breaks the rail, stranding his close family in the Origin System

[tall echo]

Definitely not because of an orokin leading a rebellion

[proper barn]

Or Ballas

It's probably Ballas.

[tall echo]

An orokin

[proper barn]

I wonder how we will do like "missions" there if the quest ends with the peave breaking down?

[humble sierra]

Yeah it's very likely that an Orokin (likely Ballas) is the one directly supporting the insurgents and providing them with the info on how to make Sentients go berserk with the Core Overrides

[restive river]

With it being before then, its a memory it can be at any time during the old peace

[proper barn]

Fair.

[humble sierra]

It could also be after the quest and the insurgents are still around as far as the Old Peace goes

[proper barn]

I mean but like

[raven oar]

1 how do we get our warframes in a flashback

[patent cargo]

we don't...?

[proper barn]

If the peace breaks down why would we still be in tau?

[restive river]

Yeah we
Never see normal frames in the memory

[humble sierra]

We're told to conquer it maybe

[restive river]

It may be prime gear ONLY

[pale cedar]

That's a memory of us going to Tau with a Warframe

[proper barn]

Huh? Also the answer would probably just be like "oh here is the Orokin Arsenal use it as you see fit"

[restive river]

Also
Its a memory, for gameplay and fun purposes we remember our own frame and have a lil daydream what if

[humble sierra]

The quest will likely be with Excal Prime and etc., but the post-game stuff will likely let us use everything regardless of lore

[proper barn]

I think my answer might work.

[restive river]

I’d be down for prime only gear but for gameplay it makes sense that it’s all on the table

[humble sierra]

And the lore reason could just be "Hey lotus could you hack my memories and give me Umbra"

[restive river]

Lmao

[raven oar]

Again I just wished they took us straight to modern tau

[restive river]

[patent cargo]

maybe it could be like duviri and it gives you random loadouts?

[restive river]

Be patient, if it’s rushed it will be bad snd they will mess it up.

Just
Let
Them
Cook

[humble sierra]

We have no reason to go yet. We are going, but not yet. This is a crucial step. It builds up the glory of Tau

[restive river]

Current reason to go: the fans want it.
How do we go: we dont know.
Actual investment beyond what’s been told to us, not shown?: Zilch.

[proper barn]

I DON'T. Tau and the old peace is so interesting.

Also we will have to probably do other "quests" to rebuild the solar rail

Or something.

[restive river]

To go to Tau we need a better understanding of the war that put it in the state that it’s in, whatever that may be

[restive river]

Probably an operation

[humble sierra]

Yeah the June update will likely be some Narmer thing related to the Solar Rail efforts

[proper barn]

3RD ORB

SOLAR RAIL

[restive river]

Pazuul finding out we’re goin to Tau without him and being mad

[proper barn]

I still think Pazuul

Is trying to rebuild the solar rail.

[restive river]

I know you want that orb man but idk if its time yet

It will come
When its right

[proper barn]

I said this when we got the Dialog for the archon hunts

[raven oar]

It has been years

[humble sierra]

If Narmer is getting content it's only logical the Orb at least gets teased

[restive river]

Okay?

DE is still only so many people and they have put out quality over quantity

[proper barn]

There's so much like "Pazuul is doing something with all these energy and resources and we don't know what it is."

[restive river]

I’ve learned to trust em, especially Rebb’s team

[proper barn]

And it has to be the solar rail.

[restive river]

Just wait, all good things come in time

[restive river]

Bro just wants to go home

Pet his sentient dog
Kiss his sentient husband
Watch the sentient grass grow on his sentient lawn

[humble sierra]

Im not too concerned with the whole "if Narmer gets content and we save/defeat Pazuul, then how can Archon Hunt missions still happen" thing, I'll just assume it's like most Star chart bosses where it's implied we kill them once per node and move on

[proper barn]

Oh I don't care about that at all.

We have The ropa fight

We have a lot of content like that.

[feral cape]

You can definitely mess up the lore of an ongoing story lightfall cough cough

Poor writing imo shouldn't be excused with the idea they'll make it better later

[raven oar]

Yeah so if they are going the route of the old peace tanning into the old war would it not have been better to have the old war take place in the Origin system

[feral cape]

No believe it or not I dont hate waffles juat because I enjoy pancakes

You are a silly billy

Id rather explore tau given its you know the "home" world of the sentients a faction shrouded in mystery and metaphor alongside tau being an important location built up throughout the entire story

[raven oar]

Ok but if this does get to the old war would we be kicked out of tau pretty quickly considering we would be in Enemy territory with lats just say half our army turning on us

[restive river]

Yeah, we would leave

Like asap

[feral cape]

And?

[raven oar]

Yes so it only makes sense to keep it in the old peace

[restive river]

What?

[feral cape]

Also we could go back and be that mag from the codex

[restive river]

The old peace takes place during the old war

Its just a period within it

[raven oar]

Counting it at 2 different events Okay just roll with it If the sentients are against us And the Dax are rebelling against us we stand no chance

[restive river]

Old war starts
Orokin getting their butts kicked
They make frames and necramechs
They fail
They suffer
Wow the tenno
Tenno + Warframes
More war
Old Peace
It ends
More war
Hunhow breaks the rail
No more war
Naga drums

[restive river]

The dax are likely working for the Orokin, same as us
The Separatists are likely a faux enemy purely so the Orokin can try and get Tau

[feral cape]

According to who?

[restive river]

Your argument hinges on us not getting out when we lack a full picture and the fact that, oh, idk
We got out??

You can say it doesn’t make sense but that doesn’t really change anything when we don’t know the events yet

Heck we can literally just use void travel and leave
They can’t follow unless they use the rail

[hidden glade]

the Old War starts in Tau and Old Peace confirmed it, if the Old War started in the Origin System then we cannot get the Old Peace

[raven oar]

That is not what am saying at all can you please let me finish

[restive river]

Write it all in one message

[raven oar]

What i am saying is that we are going to be forced to 2 armys the sentients and the dax logistically speaking with our limited numbers and our supply lines being tied to the solar rail that if the post quest content is set place after the quest we would not be on tau for long

It is not that we don't get out it is how can we say

[hidden glade]

I mean... sure, we dont know how we're reaching Tau in the modern time, just that we are some time next year. the Old Peace is a memory and we dont know how else playable content is going to engage with it beyond the quest itself

[patent cargo]

we're not actually there, we're just reliving a memory of it

[restive river]

Also on the whole 2 armies thing
Uh
Doubtful? Again the Dax are likely working for the Orokin. Its. Their thing?? Same for the Grineer

The sentient alone are a threat yes but with a planned escape they aren’t a problem, or not as large of one

It really will depend on what happened but the how is not as complicated as you think it is

[hidden glade]

its hard to say what does or doesnt make sense when it comes to actual content because we have no teasers on it beyond the Devils Triad weekly tower thing, which isnt really Old Peace

[restive river]

We shall get more later this month

[humble sierra]

It's not like we'll immediately retreat after the war breaks out

[restive river]

Also if anyone can get out its the Tenno

The Dax can be left behind
We have transference

[humble sierra]

The Orokin will try getting the Warframes to stop the war on Tau itself

That can be the postquest content. We don't need to see ourselves retreat

[restive river]

The postquest content can also just take place before or literally repeat the same events

Its
A memory, it can be at any point during the old peace baring the start and end

[raven oar]

I know but I also just don't like the idea of all our post quest content being in a memory when the solar system is on fire and we are probably facing a god i men who has time to repay traumatic memorys when everything is on fire

[restive river]

We’re doing this so we can stop that “god”

Also in terms of story only the chosen operator and drifter are doing this
The other tenno are helping out

We get information and power from the Old Peace, same as 1999

[raven oar]

How is this going to stop him

[humble sierra]

Tau is the next step for the Man in the Wall plotline

[restive river]

Would you make this argument about 1999?
Cause it’s the same thing

[humble sierra]

We don't know yet but the leading theory is that the Finger is there

[restive river]

Does giant void sword mean nothing to you?
Let alone the other info we may gleam

We’re clearly going to uncover info to lead us to go to Tau proper

[hidden glade]

relearning what we lost has already proved essential in so many aspects throughout the game already, Tau will be no different

[restive river]

All the while we are gearing up to fight our biggest foe

[raven oar]

Yes but you get that and get out and never go back

[humble sierra]

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