lore-discussion

[brittle siren]

The Tenno in her “feather” stories

Near Tenshin btw

[open coral]

oh yeah

[open coral]

well back in the old war, a lot of tenno controlled sentient frames

[brittle siren]

Yes but look how hard for us to even go in Umbra

[open coral]

as ballas puts it, the tenno were able to control the otherwise insane frames

[ocean geyser]

Even then, it’s not like it would do that much
The Orokin would still use her as a battery

[brittle siren]

So I think that because Jade also want to help that child

[open coral]

well umbra is a special case because hes a mucking nutjob with level 12 trauma

[brittle siren]

Kullervo and him would be bestie

[open coral]

they do both hate ballas

bring yareli in too

[brittle siren]

Tbh tell me one person that actually likes Ballas, like every person in this universe hate him

[open coral]

what other frames have a personal hatred of ballas? probably all of them but who has been specificed to?

[ocean geyser]

Once again randomly mentioning that we should have gotten an Umbra - Stalker standoff in Jade Shadows

[open coral]

honestly umbra and stalker would be buddies

[brittle siren]

Mirage since she laughed in his face and changed the whole Mirage concept

[ocean geyser]

Maybe not while Stalker’s actively threatening us in our chair

[brittle siren]

Stalker's mind is forced to serve the Orokin, so even if he hates Ballas, he couldn't (until Jade Shadow when he regains some memories)

[open coral]

girldad (kullervo) feminist mother (mirage) gay daughter (yareli) and comminist dog (umbra)

[ocean geyser]

Although knowing that Umbra’s a gen 1 frame would probably ease his opinion slightly

[open coral]

@ocean geyser im referencing a meme thats like "liberal family" or something stupid

[ocean geyser]

Silly

[open coral]

do you think umbra would walk around listening to yareli prime's theme song

[brittle siren]

also consider that Nokko kinda Yareli bro (not actual brother), he could also have the same circumstance

[brittle siren]

I mean if headphone exist, he would

[open coral]

it beams music directly into your brain

[brittle siren]

even better

[open coral]

how else do you think the somachord works

[brittle siren]

like normal music player irl?

[open coral]

you lack imagination

[regal torrent]

ordis, transference me into this 2006 mp3 player

[hazy prism]

it makes a little fleshly vocal cord to produce sounds for each track of music, incinerating and remaking them each time /j

[normal blade]

That would be pretty random lore wise, if anything, if they met now, Umbra would be giving him fatherly advice, dad bros being dad bros

[celest needle]

Ballas affected Trauma fathers!!!!

[celest needle]

I wonder who Entrati infected to make Qorvex or why he doesn't even look like a conventional frame if so

Qorvex seems pretty recently created I think? [After the old war]

[stiff fable]

During

Albrecht went away during the Old War

[restive river]

It sounds like he just designed him, idk if that entails that he had to frame someone to do so

Which brings up questions about how we even make Qorvex

We don’t know if he was ever made
So like
???

Also yeah all frames are made during the Old War

[celest needle]

Although he was designed for the Chosen Operator [us] for his labs

[restive river]

yes he was designed for us

its only ever said designed not made so I'm unsure if he ever made him or not

which begs the question if the design process requires a person

I wish we knew more about those details in regards to frame creation

[celest needle]

Although, small question when did Albrecht know that WE were the chosen Operator or even that a chosen operator did exist?

[proper barn]

We don't know.

[restive river]

he never knew WE were the chosen operator, that was the Pom-2 that figured out who that'd be

He likely planned for a chosen operator to eventually be found and programmed the Pom-2 to keep an eye out for anyone that met the requirements
which after everything we went through, yeah thats us

go read the Pom-2 logs, it goes over it

[celest needle]

So he made Qorvex for when he was eventually found. Ok I get that 👍

But now I finally ask, why, why would Albrecht make a frame about radiation

It's intended for the lab but from my knowledge it wasn't that hostile [outside of the Necramechs decaying] until the murmer started to get inside and messing with everything so would Qorvex be required ?

[hollow siren]

Albrecht likely presumed the Murmur would make more direct assaults some day

[pale cedar]

He did hence the Kalymos Sequence

[hollow siren]

I think a good descriptor for Albrecht's actions and plans so far is a line in God of War (2018) from Mimir describing Odin:

"So you see lad, it doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense. What matters, is that he was right."

[restive river]

radiation does well against the Murmur

the Murmur were there somewhat prior but not to the extent they're at now

[hollow siren]

They didn't directly assault the Labs like they do now

[restive river]

they did

just not in the same way

it was
far lesser til whispers

[brittle siren]

Do you guys think Wally has not appear with a physical form because he has trauma after losing a finger?

[hollow siren]

yeah, hence "like they do now"

[hollow siren]

He regularly appears with a physical form, that's what him mimicking us and Albrecht is

the original Relic(s) was cut off when he was mimicking Albrecht

[brittle siren]

The thing is, I don't think he is physically there though

He always uses other ppl body

[hollow siren]

I mean technically you're right, but he's not really a physical being to begin with so idk how much any of his appearances count

[brittle siren]

The only time he did was when he shook our hand

[hollow siren]

He doesn't seem to have a "true" form per se, so him mimicking other people is just as much his true form as the big vitruvian man wall is

[brittle siren]

His finger is proof that he indeed has a physical form

But, my theory is, because that day is when he was just born from Albrecht's mind, he has yet to know how to use void power. That's why unlike the present, he couldn't create illusions

[hollow siren]

That finger is from when he was mimicking Albrecht

[brittle siren]

And 3s after that he just phased through us

[hollow siren]

it's as if we cut off another finger when he visits our Orbiter

[brittle siren]

What

When did this even happen?

[hollow siren]

it didn't

I'm drawing a similarity

The original Relic being cut off is no different than if we were to hypothetically cut off another finger from Wally when he shows up in our Orbiter

[brittle siren]

Mimicking someone does not mean he turns 100% flesh and bone of the being he turns into though. He barely interacted with any living being (besides shaking hands)

[hollow siren]

And when is it ever said he does that at all

[lean garden]

I mean if you take a wider look at the Vexman, he's pretty standard for the weirdness of the average frame

[hollow siren]

Rusalka is more-so possession than mimicking

[brittle siren]

I know that

[hollow siren]

His meeting with Albrecht was him mimicking Albrecht

[brittle siren]

What I mean here is, the first time he encountered Albrecht, which is the time he was born, he did not know how to use his power yet. That's why he is not being cautious and did not create illusions like the present time. You could say that at the time, he was like a baby. I think he mimicking Albrecht is his “passive” nature, not him trying to trick Albrecht

That my pov

[lean garden]

This is built on the assumption that the Wallform we see in TNW is an illusion?

Because like, Baro definitely shook someones hand thats for sure

[brittle siren]

Baro is in the void so

[lean garden]

so what?

[brittle siren]

Wally's home is in there

I mean when he was outside

[lean garden]

Does that somehow make wally not physical there?

[hollow siren]

Wally never left the Void when meeting Albrecht, the only part of him that did are the fingers that got cut off

[brittle siren]

I think we have a misunderstanding

[lean garden]

I think the base assumption that Wally doesnt take a physical form outside of the void is very weak

[hollow siren]

If anything, it almost seems like him truly entering Reality is how he gains a true physical form

[brittle siren]

But besides when he touches objects like a chair, we never see him interact with a living being (unless they are already in the void, like Baro)
And the way he disappears is strange, it's like he just disintegrated. We could not touch him, and sometimes we are the only ones who can see him

[lean garden]

I think trying to exclude when he physically touches objects severely weakens your point

its basically saying "Aside from when the sun emits sunlight, the sun isnt a bright object"

[brittle siren]

I have another theory that, because his finger is in the material world, his body is restrained by our rules, hence he is bound to Khra

[brittle siren]

I mean Rell can touch stuff in his spectral form

[hollow siren]

The finger being separated and in Reality does seem to be affecting him

[lean garden]

rell is rell

but can you for certain say that when wally interacts with objects physically somehow he doesnt have a physical form?

that would mean that any evidence that wally has interacted with a living being physically wouldnt pass your standards for having physical form

[brittle siren]

It's kinda more like because it remind me how Le Blanc uses her “shadow clone” to interact when she is still in Noxus (in Arcane btw)

Still, I could be wrong, and we barely know how he works

Hopefully Devil Triad and Old Peace give more info

[normal blade]

So what we're saying is, the cut finger is his tether to reality

[pale cedar]

"So long as the Indifference is missing a digit, it is confined to the strands of Khra."

[strange turtle]

I like to think that he just used a gorilla or designed the body from the ground up instead of injecting someone to get it; which is why the animations are so “basic”

[nocturne obsidian]

Who is man in the wall and what did he say 🤔

[strange plinth]

where are you in the story
because that's somewhat important for answering that question

[hollow siren]

We first encounter it at the end of The War Within, tho it's alluded to by some lines during that quest too

[nocturne obsidian]

👍

[restive river]

iirc he would have maybe made him after his 1999 excursions so he would have seen Legacytes so
that could work!

[restive river]

his proper intro is ofc chains
then nothin til new war
and now we in his arc

[hollow siren]

yep

well ig technically players now can have him first mentioned right after Heart of Deimos

[restive river]

Wym

[hollow siren]

Albrecht's Requiem logs

[restive river]

Oh

I heard they revoked the access

[hollow siren]

it's still locked behind Entrati + Necraloid ranks I think

[restive river]

I can’t check but someone i know couldn’t see those

[restive river]

A new player is unlikely to progress through that before getting to war within and chains

[hollow siren]

yeah true, but it's still possible

[restive river]

They would need to be heavily carried

Technically possible
Practically unlikely

[hollow siren]

"technically"

[restive river]

Ye lol

[ocean geyser]

Not this again bro

<@&778745217037238293>

:D

Thanks, whoever did that

Oh this guy’s everywhere

Account hack i guess

[open coral]

honestly feels bad, these are real people's accounts and they end up being banned from numerous servers because they got tricked into typing their discord password into a fake login screen

honestly a decent amount of my life is stored in my discord account. a lot of my friends i only have content to through discord

[old dome]

weird question but its important for my tenno character: is wrestling a thing in the lore??

like,, wwe & ufc type of wrestling companies.

[hollow siren]

Like, as a recreational sport? Nothing outright stated but it wouldn't be out of place

[pale cedar]

There's boxing

Game within game

[hollow siren]

Frame Fighter yeah

[old dome]

as entertainment. like the underground fighting rings in the peaky blinders tv show.

[hollow siren]

Nothing confirmed, but it seems highly plusible some Solaris are running a rig on like some random space station

[old dome]

📝📝📝📝📝

ty ty!! i was gonna make it up but it helps if theres a canon possibility of underground fighting rings existing.

[opaque zenith]

Conclave is technicaly a fight sport, just turned up to 11 cause Fighting with warframe powers shenanigans

[hollow siren]

yeah true

[opaque zenith]

So, like 5d chess with time-travel or smt, still technicaly chess

[old dome]

is conclave canon to the lore? or is it just. a game mode??

[opaque zenith]

Canon pretty much

[hollow siren]

It is very canon, it's Teshin training us between The Teacher and The War Within

[silk atlas]

There's also Rathuum

[hollow siren]

true Rathuum

[narrow pendant]

idk since you capture enemy tennos oro which is quite literally their soul so unless they release that...

[hollow siren]

Oro lore has been de-canonized until stated otherwise

[strange turtle]

Well martial arts/hand-to-hand is big enough to have several different weapons from different factions

So there’s probably some form of it

[old dome]

📝📝📝📝📝📝

& im gonna hazard a guess and say that wrestling exists in 1999 bc. its 1999.

[opaque zenith]

Also dogs days is canon so... there's watersports(?) too

[old dome]

the beach episode event being canon to the lore is so 🥺❤

[hollow siren]

That's cause of a gas leak in Kela's ship (not kidding btw)

[opaque zenith]

Beach event♥️
It's drugs effect💔

[open coral]

there was also an old trailer showing rhino fighting hand-to-hand with no fist weapons equipped

its definitely not canon and DE said he was supposed to have furax equipped but im sure you could punch people in the face

there is 3 entirely different melee classes dedicated to "stuff attached to your fists"

[silk atlas]

There is one VERY niche circumstance where you can fight unarmed and I'll be shocked if you know it

[open coral]

yeah no clue

[hollow siren]

Recovery

[open coral]

im a fake loreframer 😞

[silk atlas]

Recovery mission after you fail to fight off Zanuka when it's hunting you

[hollow siren]

special mission type accessed by being killed by the Zanuka Hunter

[open coral]

ahhh that makes sense

i started playing on the switch so ive never played a version of warframe where you could reasonaly die to zanuka hunter

[celest needle]

Literally the mission 99% of the player base hasn’t seen

[hollow siren]

ye

[pale cedar]

Most players just one tap Zanuka

[celest needle]

I don’t think most people know that you can be hunted by Zanuka

Even then with how many revives you get dying to the Zanuka boss fight is not even an issue

[hollow siren]

the issue is making sure Zanuka kills you as you stand there ignoring all enemies in an attempt to die

[pale cedar]

Zanuka rework when?

[celest needle]

The only thing that kills me is Alad V flash banging me at 1:00am (why is it purely white)

[open coral]

imagine if alad got his hands on a valkyr prime and made a zanuka prime

[celest needle]

Every corpus boss needs a rework 😭

[pale cedar]

True

[hollow siren]

Except for Jackal, he's cool

[celest needle]

But corrupted jackal

[strange turtle]

Not John Prodman

[hollow siren]

Jackal is the first boss new players will ever fight

It doesn't need to be more complex

[open coral]

not the seargant, hes op

[pale cedar]

How do you even get John to appear?

[open coral]

index for an hour

[open coral]

vor and teshin:

[hollow siren]

Vor's proper boss is on Mercury

Teshin is true now tho, yeah

[celest needle]

I missed Vor until I got to whispers in the wall lol

Mercury is just
That kind of planet

[open coral]

im gonna hazard a guess that you're probably not a new player

[tall echo]

Isn't vor mandatory to progress like. Twice

[hollow siren]

Yeah

[pale cedar]

How many credits do you think an hour in index would give?

[open coral]

you fight him once during the newer version of vors prize

[proper barn]

Less than at least 2 others ways of getting credits.

Well

I say slower.

I do just hate the arenas

[tall echo]

Not even that iirc mars junction needs vor's node completed

[open coral]

yeah we get it, A B or C way of farming X Y or Z resource is so much better than the ways normies know /j

[tall echo]

And jupiter needs the placeholder ceres boss completed

[proper barn]

Well

I just really really hate

The arenas. Cuz they just aren't fun.

[open coral]

fair enough

i kinda love index honestly. its like if conclave was less dogwater

[tall echo]

Unnecessarily defensive for no reason

[proper barn]

No I kinda get it.

[open coral]

i mean it was also just not what he asked

[tall echo]

Index is too slow to justify doing it imo

[proper barn]

Some people are weridly elitist and idk why.

[tall echo]

Kinda was

[proper barn]

Scrap you don't gotta stand up for me

[open coral]

index is ok for where it is. it doesnt require hella building into it

[proper barn]

It's fine.

[proper barn]

See I don't like PT either.

[open coral]

i also dont really have anything against it, i was just being a goober

[proper barn]

Yee.

[tall echo]

I'm not, I'm standing up for general reason

[proper barn]

I would tell people to do disruption before index or PT.

[open coral]

that seems somehow more defensive

[proper barn]

The disruption on the index planet

Gives credits as a reward.

[tall echo]

Now I'm reminded that I still gotta farm exploiter

[proper barn]

Lul

[open coral]

i wouldnt, disruption is oddly difficult for early-mid level builds. i used to hate it for being so damn punishing

removal of damage attenuation doesnt help either

[tall echo]

It do tho

[open coral]

not for people who are already struggling on disruption

[tall echo]

Attenuation only made it more difficult not easier

Difficulter...

[open coral]

yeah but only if you're dealing high damage

it has little affect on weaker builds. by design.

[tall echo]

I once carried a disruption for 3 rounds with an extremely terrible broken war build on my current acc back when it was my rarely used alt acc

[open coral]

oh semi-off-topic but, mathematical speaking, its actually most efficient to cash in at 15 index points

[tall echo]

But collecting all points until 1 second before end is much funnier

[open coral]

ok triborous

[tall echo]

Nah I'm not insane enough to main loki

I do that strategy with lavos

[open coral]

i havent checked up on trib in a while, is he still going insane over the continuous decline of CC?

[tall echo]

Idk I haven't either

[unborn token]

What is warframe energy in lore?

[open coral]

some vague form of power source

scifi nonsense batteries

[unborn token]

I got me wondering after i noticed that kuva scepter can drain energy ball from dead machines. So corpus tech and warframe powers should run on the same source of power unless of course thats just gameplay.

[open coral]

i dont think they are ever mentioned in lore

they may not canonically exist

[silk atlas]

a gameplay mechanic

[restive river]

From what I’ve heard warframes don’t need energy in lore, it’s just for gameplay

[unborn token]

That could be hoever protea dispenser is a real device and it produces balls.

[restive river]

In Jade Shadows we have this

Ordis: "Strange. A warframe's power should last forever, but some additional factor is draining hers. I am unable to determine what."

[restive river]

It produces ammo and aid

[unborn token]

It is stated that their energy should last forever (Jade shadows ordis) not thath they dont need it

[restive river]

Warframes can still be hurt so

[open coral]

it could just be dispensing med kits and juice boxes, like how ammo boxes are just generic ammo which makes no sense

[strange turtle]

She means as in like, our energy bar/stat

[restive river]

I’m not arguing they don’t need it, just that their energy lasts forever
So the orbs we collect are just gameplay

[unborn token]

I don't really have a argument to argue that at the moment with proof but i feel like the orbs do represent some way that warframes can heal in combat. After all being self sustaining is logical trait for a war machines. I will scour wiki to find out more

[silk atlas]

My guy it's just a gameplay mechanic

We aren't MGR Revengence

[mystic lynx]

This is not Ultrakill dude
So far from things like cinematic and what not the abilities is just things they can do without any mention of power drain

[unborn token]

On the contrary. I scoured the wiki and found something interesting

Sentient drones drop their Energy cores which work as balls

This would imply that regular energy balls are just less advanced energy cores of tech

[restive river]

What’s the source.

[unborn token]

Warframe wiki

[unborn token]

In the pickups category

[restive river]

What is their source

What implies this isn’t gameplay

Or rather just gameplay

[woven coyote]

That really isnt the "aha i found evidence" moment you think it is

[unborn token]

If they were called balls i would believe they are gameplay. But they are not. They are called Sentient energy cores.

[silk atlas]

Again, where did they get that from

[unborn token]

May it isn't. But isn't it interesting?

[unborn token]

I will check

[silk atlas]

They can call a health bar a shmorp but unless there's some source on it it's just a game mechanic

[woven coyote]

At some point the sentient cores were there because if you didnt step on them the sentients could revive eachother

[woven coyote]

So even their gameplay intention changed over time

[open coral]

i think its just implying that the warframe is consuming their energy cores to recover power

like a sentient core is basically a high tech battery right

you're just stealing the charge

[restive river]

Or this

[restive river]

But warframes dont need to recover power

In lore anyway

[woven coyote]

In gameplay energy and health orbs are a pacing mechanic

You dont kill enough enemies fast enough you wont sustain your gameplay

[open coral]

more like power in a vague stamina sense

[restive river]

Similar to the sheer amount of enemies we kill or the amount of tenno there are
It’s just gameplay

Or fighting bosses again after killing them

Or replaying quests

[unborn token]

Thats actually just cannon. Like we did in canon kill 2 milion corpus to distract nef anyo that one time

[woven coyote]

That would be a community event

Nowadays some people do that on a weekend

[open coral]

not in lore to the same extreme as in gameplay. in gameplay theres, what? 3 million tenno? in lore theres about 300k

[unborn token]

Wait. Where did that 300k come from? Do we have a number of zariman passengers?

[silk atlas]

No

Tuopi honestly just pulls out a lot of stuff from thin air

[restive river]

We don’t know the exact number but it’s def less than the actual player amount

[unborn token]

And btw here are sources they cited if you still want them.

[open coral]

uhh someone said it here a few days ago and i assumed they got it from somewhere in game

they mentioned tenno on the zariman

[restive river]

We typically don’t get accurate numbers in WF

[silk atlas]

We have no estimates on how many Tenno, let alone hard numbers.

Just "too few to make permanent occupation not viable"

[woven coyote]

We just have a guesstimate based on the character size of a redacted number on the zariman "you have been voluntold" invitation

[unborn token]

We can estimate that its enough to start new civilization on tau. That was the plan with zariman after all.

[open coral]

#lore-discussion message

i just trusted it 😔

[woven coyote]

Not really

[unborn token]

Wait. So what was the plan with children on zariman?

[mystic lynx]

I wonder if DE still the girl in the intro cinematic and new war as the tenno
Seems like no longer the case in old peace trailer

[woven coyote]

You really think the orokin would go, "oh yeah you can totally go off and start a new civilization"

[unborn token]

They were orokin on zariman. But they still needed peasant children to start civilization.

[restive river]

Their job was likely the same as the sentients as they went second

[silk atlas]

The point of the Zariman was to get the colony set up, which by then a Solar Rail would be established so they wouldn't need the Zariman colonists to be the sole occupants on Tau.

[restive river]

There were not any Orokin on the Zariman, they never stepped foot on the thing lmao

[woven coyote]

There were no orokin on the zariman

[unborn token]

Really now? Don't zariman weapon descriptions imply otherwise?

[woven coyote]

Nope

[restive river]

No???

[open coral]

ten-zero was just the first manned flight. ginnea pigs before they sent the important people

[restive river]

They were ceremonial gifts used by the Orokin given to the Zariman crew
Or farming tools

[restive river]

Sentients actually went before them but that was secret

We have literally one thing in game atm implying it but that also comes from the head writer iirc

[open coral]

sentients are not manned flights, theyre literally robots

[restive river]

Oh yeah true nvm

[unborn token]

Then i just interpreted it wrong. I read it as if the orokin were there to be the first humans to step foot in tau.

[restive river]

Nah that was all the Zariman crew

The Orokin pretended they were equal and didn’t do much to help them
If an Orokin was aboard they’d be dead and then the Zariman crew would likely be dead

[open coral]

the orokin were vain, but way too cowardly to do that

[restive river]

Also Tau needed to be terraformed first

[open coral]

well thats what the sentients were for right

[stiff beacon]

Yep

Though hilariously the orokin banned ai

[open coral]

was the zariman sent before or after the sentients revolted?

[stiff beacon]

Before their creation

[restive river]

Actually if the original plan was
Sentients get there, initially to terraform but also to build the rail
Then what was the exact plan for the Zariman crew once the Sentients got there?

[unborn token]

Who needs ai when you can have lobotomized digital copies of your enemies?

[stiff beacon]

Send colonists first/test a void drive I think

[restive river]

Timeline is
Orokin send Sentients
They take way too long
Send Zariman before the Sentients get there
Sentients get there
Terraform
Unknown who shot first
Old War

[open coral]

the zariman was sent to tau before the sentients? that doesn't seem right?

[forest lagoon]

What does this mean

[open coral]

https://tenor.com/view/jackenstein-deltarune-your-taking-too-long-pumpkin-gif-8036819712080210654

[stiff beacon]

Sent after

[restive river]

It was after

[forest lagoon]

The lobotomies digital copies thing

[unborn token]

What do you think cephalons are?

[open coral]

glassing :3

[forest lagoon]

I just didn’t know what you were talking about

Back to sleepy time for me

[open coral]

remember to dream of what you want to be

[forest lagoon]

I already am :3 thank you

[strange turtle]

I remember we have the figures of some number from the arg that we can use to make a really vague estimate, but nothing beyond that

[unborn token]

I aspire to be as happy with myself as you are.

[open coral]

this is the future the left want (people being confortable in their skin and enjoying being alive)

[unborn token]

If it was up to me i would shed my flesh

[forest lagoon]

Truth nuke

[woven coyote]

Insert tech priest flesh is weak quote

[open coral]

also your status is wrong its "dream not of what you are, but of what you want to be"

[unborn token]

Speaking of flesh. If were to become warframe/protoframe what strain would you choose?

[unborn token]

I will change that when i can be bothered (thanks for noticing tho)

[forest lagoon]

Get rid of my disability and I don’t care lol

[open coral]

No task that is easy is ever worthwhile.

[woven coyote]

Actually pretty sure both versions of the quote exist
@open coral @unborn token

[open coral]

gauss

ALL MY ENEMIES ARE LIVING IN FEAR

[woven coyote]

Think scarlet's was from the new war or a trailer

[unborn token]

Thats actually an interesting question. Does becoming warframe heal illneses? It didn't cure pregnancy in jade.

[open coral]

cure pregnancy

[unborn token]

You better get used to the taste of walls.

[open coral]

and slowly opening doors

[forest lagoon]

Also voruna to answer your question

[open coral]

i thought you were going to bed

[forest lagoon]

Me too

[unborn token]

Tenno never sleep

[forest lagoon]

Got distracted lol

[open coral]

they literally slept for thousands of years one time

and they're still half asleep for half the storyline

[unborn token]

And they still grinded during that time. A true sigma grindset /s

And to answer my own question. Nidus

[north jolt]

Monke

[unborn token]

The power of BIG STICK

[open coral]

actually, good question. if the war within happens to just our tenno, how do all the other tenno wake up

[patent cargo]

eternalism?

wait thats not how that works i think

[open coral]

theres a lot of things in warframe's quests that only really happen to mara ("mara" meaning the canon operator/drifter. i know thats not a canon name, its just the best i got)

[unborn token]

Every tenno is main tenno and simutanously is not is how i understand it.

[open coral]

makes complete sense, i see

[silk atlas]

You in your game are the main Tenno, everyone else is just doing their own thing

Like any other similarly online game

[unborn token]

Is helminth plague an std?

[open coral]

yeah but that really causes a lot of plot related questions as to how any other player has quest rewards or progression items like an awake operator

[unborn token]

Because they are also awake.

[open coral]

i wouldnt try boning a warframe as a regular human, but i doubt its specifically an STI

in fact its stated a few times that its rare if not impossible to catch the infeststion from a frame. it doesnt transmit between hosts, that strain is inert

[silk atlas]

The Warframes clearly aren't spreading Infestation everywhere so I doubt that'd happen

[open coral]

except nidus

[unborn token]

He is really not a frame. Probably just helminth creation based on warframe. We really don't have lore on him

[open coral]

he is definitely a frame

[silk atlas]

He's a frame same as any other

[strange plinth]

how would he not be a frame

[silk atlas]

Ballas knows he exists and was made

[unborn token]

I always assumed he had no human part. Just pure helminth creature.

[open coral]

nidus is described as "a primal form of infestation" so hes different from the average frame

[silk atlas]

...They're all made from humans. This has been long established since The Sacrifice

[open coral]

but he is undoubtably helminth. the helminth chair even reacts differently to him

[silk atlas]

Outside of being Infestation-themed, he's no more special than any other frame

[unborn token]

All warframes are helminth but nidus seems to be pure helminth

[open coral]

theres no such thing as pure helminth

[unborn token]

Helminth reacts to him difirent.

[open coral]

its infected tissue all the way down

[unborn token]

What is Lizzie then?

[open coral]

helminth on a guitar

[strange plinth]

there's no difference there
the warframes are designed to be a certain way, nidus was designed to be more "unbound"

[silk atlas]

Helminth, same as every other Warframe material

[open coral]

aeguably the least pure helminyh

given that shes not made from a human

[silk atlas]

Best way to describe Nidus is if you just hit "none" on the theme and let it do its thing.

[open coral]

well- ok she does come from a human but her body isnt human

[silk atlas]

Infested doesn't really care about the material that goes into it. A guitar would be just as viable in this case as a human person.

[unborn token]

Thats what i meant by pure helminth. Thanks for wording it better

[silk atlas]

Just helps that Flare bled on it.

[restive river]

She has Flare’s infected blood iirc

[open coral]

why does regular temple have a lizzie? isnt lizzie made from a physical guitar? do we have to sacrifice a guitar every time we build temple?

[unborn token]

Thats not entirely true. Infested seem to fear and be unable to infect void beings (operator, murmur)

[restive river]

||Regular Temple IS Flare||
Spoilers for their kim story

[open coral]

why does it look identical to flare's lizzie?|| isnt lizzie the third? did all three lizzies look the same?||

[restive river]

Infestation is good at replicating things

[open coral]

no i mean when you build it from the actual blueprints, the ones entrati stole to make flare the way they are

[unborn token]

In the Hex quest we even see helminth puke out excalibur.

[silk atlas]

Helminth and the Foundry are really good at replicating things

[restive river]

What

[unborn token]

There were no other temple.

[unborn token]

Just before we clash swords with Arthur.

[restive river]

Temple’s Blueprint is likely based on Flare’s eventually transformation
But the design itself was from Ballas originally and seems to be altered with Lizzie in the mix

We also know people being framed can kinda change things iirc?
I think Mirage does that

And Flare is rebellious
Temple was designed rebellious

[restive river]

Idk if he’s puking it out
Just doing what normal Excal does

[silk atlas]

Yeah but the fact that the blueprint already comes with Lizzie suggests that Ballas designed a glamrock anti-establishment frame with a guitar baked into it, and then only at the last minute realized this was stupid.

[unborn token]

Infact the name Temple comes from Flares stage name. The strain was probabmy unnamed before that of named something stupid like Guitar_hero.helm

[restive river]

He realized he was afraid lol

[pale cedar]

I wonder what the Backroom does if you haven't unlocked Helminth yet

[restive river]

Probably nothing

Or auto unlocks it
That’d be cool tbh

[open coral]

first cyte, now flare? does entrati just not remember the names of the stuff he stole or what?

[silk atlas]

Ballas designed the frame without any idea of Flare existing, though. In this case it's a very very funny coincidence.

(Assuming the frame's name has always been Temple)

[silk atlas]

No one remembers Cyte's name, to be fair

[unborn token]

The names we know are public names. Names of heroes that warframes were meant to be marketed as in the orokin society. But they had work in progress names before that.

[celest needle]

Probably is still there but you can't use it until you install the segment

[strange turtle]

Insert that one Magos Biologis’ quote

[strange turtle]

Nezha
Built in heelies+fire

[restive river]

probably

[strange turtle]

Found this amazing musician while browsing the leftovers of the old world archives. Only found out 5 days into his passion project based on it what the lyrics meant and who they were

[stiff fable]

the blueprint we get isn't the blueprint Ballas made. If we got the original Temple batch and made our own OC donut steal Temple, it wouldn't have Lizzie

[worldly sky]

Ballas sucks

[earnest sapphire]

Getting into Warframe lore really makes you realize that the Orokin had to go lol

[strange plinth]

it would probably still have a guitar, but not lizzie, yea
albrecht said it would make flare a "performer the likes of which the world has never seen"

[worldly sky]

|| What pissed me off was the fact Ballas literally turned a woman that was pregnant into a Warframe. How cruel.||

[strange turtle]

Have you read her feather in Teshin’s area?

[stiff fable]

Not sure if it would, because Lizzie was Flare's guitar, not Temple's

[worldly sky]

Yeah. Absolutely broke my heart

[twin wigeon]

Don’t forget that Dagath got her face blown off and survived

[earnest sapphire]

Then proceeded to kill her Orokin masters

[ocean geyser]

her emote makes it a bit more comical

[twin wigeon]

Based

[stiff fable]

Dagath proto when

[worldly sky]

|| It's so cruel how Ballas could do that ||

[ocean geyser]

To be fair Ballas gave her a chopped face

[strange plinth]

"Sometimes I wish I had been there, with her, when your kind came for us. No hard feelings. Our time had more than come" - Son

[stiff fable]

yeah

yeah

[twin wigeon]

Sentients were so just

[ocean geyser]

Son really going “yeah we kinda deserved it actually”

[stiff fable]

Sentients would have been right if they didn't plan to cleanse the Origin System of ALL life

[twin wigeon]

Mmm fair enough

[earnest sapphire]

Even his ass knew that they needed to go LMAO

[worldly sky]

Me not forgiving Ballas for what he did to Umbra too

[ocean geyser]

At least Umbra can aura farm immensely

[twin wigeon]

Hm question: how exactly do we have the old peace like how are we in tau if the zariman didn’t reach there?

[ocean geyser]

They finished the Rail

[silk atlas]

Solar Rail

[earnest sapphire]

What’s that

[stiff fable]

Sentients -> Zariman -> Old War pt. 1 -> Warframes -> Old Peace -> Old War part 2

[ocean geyser]

Remember the junction cutscenes

[twin wigeon]

So we have a solar rail to tau this entire time or was it blocked off

[worldly sky]

I have

[earnest sapphire]

Ohhhhh

[strange plinth]

hunhow destroyed the origin side of it during the second half of the old war

[stiff fable]

Destroyed before Old War part 2

[earnest sapphire]

Damn you Hunhow

[stiff fable]

iirc it was originally on Pluto

[celest needle]

“You know, I should helminth a pregnant woman cause her relationship pisses me off.”

[strange plinth]

pazuul is gathering resources to rebuild it, supposedly

[stiff fable]

The Outer Terminus node

[strange plinth]

near there yea
iirc the ceremony congratulating the tenno was there because of that?

[stiff fable]

something like that

[twin wigeon]

Ahhhhhhh so I assume we’re like time traveling to that point in time before it was destroyed perhaps?

[worldly sky]

That was really messed up of him tbf

[stiff fable]

No time travel

[ocean geyser]

It’s memories bro

[stiff fable]

Old Peace is going to be a memory thing

[celest needle]

What WASNT?

[stiff fable]

For the Tau update, we're going to be traveling to modern Tau somehow

[worldly sky]

It made me want to kill his ass all over again.

[twin wigeon]

Ohhhhhh mb fams DE is indeed cooking

[strange plinth]

"its against the legems please ignore 90% of my actions"

[twin wigeon]

:3

[strange turtle]

The Sentients were originally sent to build the Rail between Origin and Tau but Orokin morons got impatient (for literally no reason btw) and began a series of projects to try and get there first, culminating in the Zariman

We both know how that went, and the others already explained the rest

[earnest sapphire]

Trying to find Albrecht just to accidentally find a way back to the Tau system

I think

[celest needle]

For Narmer was made specifically to punch you in the gut

[worldly sky]

Yeah. I'm glad Ballas is dead

[ocean geyser]

deas

[strange turtle]

No getting there is intentional, Albrecht explicitly mentions it before the end of the first half of The Hex

[earnest sapphire]

Ohhhh interesting

[worldly sky]

|| Then again I cried during the final part of the Jade Shadows quest ||

[strange plinth]

i love For Narmer from a musical standpoint
its a corrupted version of We All Lift Together
quite literally, All As One vs a discordant chorus of individuals

[ocean geyser]

From a work song to a cult choir

You wouldn’t believe how mad i got when i heard someone mutter “all as one” after TNW

i’m still not sure why the open world areas and their hubs didn’t get de-narmered

Like we should have at least have the option to do that

I want blue and purple fortuna back, even if the weird gold bits don’t go away

[stiff fable]

strange as it sounds, Orb Vallis being orange is progress for them

since it's closer to being temperate

[ocean geyser]

Well yeah

It’s just weird to see narmer screens in fortuna still

[worldly sky]

|| Also how do you explain to a Baby Tenno why your Warframe is pregnant without spoilers? 😭||

[strange plinth]

not really going to clear up the debris on the plains
but yea cetus and fortuna could be reverted (partially or fully) at this point
even if its locked behind a quest or something

[ocean geyser]

You can’t lmao

Just say “its a whole thing”

[low jungle]

What ballas did to jade actually wanted to go make me tell DE to do another quest of hunting down that loser to kill him again

[ocean geyser]

We should be allowed to kill Duviri Ballas

[worldly sky]

This

[strange plinth]

simple answer: Don't
you can say that the answer to that is in her related quest, though

[low jungle]

Anyway. If we fight alongside the orokin on the old peace? Against who tho?

[ocean geyser]

Seperatist dax

[stiff fable]

and grineer

[ocean geyser]

Some people wanted the war to continue

(For some reason)

[low jungle]

Orokin grineer arent they on our side?

[ocean geyser]

Not all of them, i think

[strange turtle]

“Seperatist”

[stiff fable]

it almost certainly means the Orokin are playing both sides

[strange plinth]

the separatists
dax and grineer that are against the peace
whether those dax are under the control of another executor or something still remains to be seen

[low jungle]

Ahh i understand now

[worldly sky]

We should be allowed to do that again

[stiff fable]

because both dax and grineer MUST follow Orokin instructions

[low jungle]

I wish. Seriously i want a fatality on that mf

[worldly sky]

Yeah. She didn't deserve that to happen to her

[low jungle]

So we fight against both sides...but one is using us?

[strange plinth]

dax are compelled to, but i don't think the grineer MUST
they have the loyalty gene but not the 'you are forced to obey my every command'

[stiff fable]

more like, Orokin are controlling the rebellion

[low jungle]

So this is ACTUALLY old war?

[stiff fable]

as a way of expanding their control over Tau

[stiff fable]

not on paper

but there's a reason it's not two different wars

question: if you could bring back any Warframe villain into story relevance, who would it be and how?

[ocean geyser]

Hmm
Maybe like
Literally any of the Nightwave guys

Cause you could integrate them into the Star chart, easily

The Zealoid prelate’s still there too

You could just stuff him into Eris
The Wolf could be taking over grineer territory somewhere
Idk

[strange plinth]

not a return, per se, but get that one grineer that's never made an appearance in-game but is mentioned a few times
tengus

[ocean geyser]

Oh yeahh

[stiff beacon]

nah wolf is dead do to fighting kahl

[strange turtle]

The Sergeant, bring him back heavily augmented and scarred, and have him be a more serious and aggressive face for the Corpus

[ocean geyser]

I thought the wolf fled

[strange plinth]

also yea the nightwaves should be properly integrated

[stiff beacon]

yea they should make him a threat

[strange turtle]

Maybe in the service of Parvos after debt acquisition or some other guy, his main thing would be leading a force against us under them

Like a more mundane Vor if he actually did much

[stiff beacon]

nah make him a board member and give him more of a personality

[ocean geyser]

Like it’s weird that there’s just this whole 3 seasons worth of content that most players will never know about

[strange plinth]

kahl fully intends to kill him at that point iirc (kahl save, but not from narmer), maybe he flees right before?

[stiff fable]

he does iirc

[strange turtle]

We already have enough Corpus board members and corpos, going against a high-up guy working under them’d be a good change of pace

[strange turtle]

Alternatively John Prodman amalgamised, veiled and ready for rescue and recruitment by Kahl

[stiff fable]

haha

[strange plinth]

new corpus assassin maybe
zanuka hasn't been a threat for a while
granted, neither have the other two, but zanuka is worse, somehow

[stiff fable]

the three at least let you bail early on a mission

[stiff beacon]

Nah we're more likely to get a infested or sentient assassin if we do ever get a new invader type enemy

[celest needle]

Where even is Pazuul hiding?

[silk atlas]

If we know then he wouldn't be hiding, now would he

[celest needle]

But generally

Where could he even hiding, last time we saw him he was on a Murex and he should still be there but we invade that Murex multiple times as Kahl so he can’t be there exactly

[silk atlas]

99% of Kahls quit before the find the Murex Pazuul is hiding in, clearly

[strange plinth]

alternatively, pazuul runs away to a different murex each time kahl shows up on one
but yeah. we don't know, basically. some murex. maybe praghasa if any of her survived The Sun

[celest needle]

Why is he so scared of a Grineer soldier 😭 he has sentients and both grineer and corpus soldiers under his command

[silk atlas]

It's taking an unnecessary risk to expose himself?

This is military leadership for dummies

[strange plinth]

pazuul has done nothing but yap at us from afar, he's not one for confrontation

[celest needle]

Can he stop yapping about Tau and stuff we’re actually going there instead of him first 😭

[unborn sedge]

GOD. DAMMIT.

[olive trout]

was revenant prime made by the void and nokko from infected void mushroom?

[unborn sedge]

Here I am dreading the Second Dream and planning to make myself look ugly as heck...
AND NOW they're asking me to customise a random dude in the Duviri Paradox that I KNOW I'd get to play as at some point or another...

[olive trout]

can anyone answer

[unborn sedge]

I didn't account for this...

Like, I know what Operators are. What's the point of the Drifter?!

[olive trout]

drifters are ppl from different universe

that are operators

[pale cedar]

Timeline not universe

[olive trout]

oh yeah mb

[unborn sedge]

Great so what. Do I make my Operator ugly as heck and I make the Drifter actually me?

[olive trout]

any shet idfk

[olive trout]

no one answering

[unborn sedge]

Cause frankly, I haven't thought of anything since I care about about the Warframes rather than the Operators themselves.

[pale cedar]

Revenant was either made by the Void or by Unum

Nokko is seemingly a combination of both Infested and Helminth

[normal mountain]

Do you mean shrooms and Helminth, for Nokko?

[olive trout]

lets say void

[olive trout]

IDFK NOW MEAN WTF IS NONONO MUSHROOMS

[proper barn]

@olive trout Rev Prime is actually a example of eternalism

[strange plinth]

unum was prolly involved, as she's mentioned in the prime armor description

[proper barn]

The Void or unum makes them out of a unreleased possibility.

[olive trout]

bro nokko and revenant sound like they came from void

[normal mountain]

Nokko probably didn't

[strange plinth]

they're mushrooms with a void aesthetic
like the vomval trumpet has a sentient aesthetic
they don't have a massive lore connection to nokko

[normal mountain]

Revenant didn't
Revenant Prime... maybe

[raven urchin]

Nokko is brother from Yareli, he didn't came from void

[olive trout]

rev prime i meant.,

[olive trout]

nokko has infected mushroom at his place

[olive trout]

in his early design he was her borther but bad news was scrapped now he a mushroom frame

[strange plinth]

we don't know if that's actually canon or just The Vibe™

[normal mountain]

Design wise
They aren't necessarily blood relatives

[pale cedar]

The Fruits and roots are also seemingly one of the oldest organisms in the system

[olive trout]

2023 they started working on nokko but cyte concept was like in 2018

[strange plinth]

did
they say that somewhere?
ik cyte's concept is fairly old but idk if we have a timeline for nokko

[normal mountain]

It's more likely his situation is closer to base Revenant's
Regular warframe that got taken over by shrooms

[olive trout]

nokko had a fan mdae concept for years i think they started the dev concept in 2021 or 2023

[normal mountain]

...reminds me, I should do more solid work on my Exalted Necramech frame concept

[proper barn]

Also gyre did look closer to her mushroom.

[olive trout]

bruh the infected mushroom nonono has a weird lore that nightcap cant remember i think nightcap said he was born from a infected mushroom and also nightcap died so he cant remember everything after nokko bring him back to life

[proper barn]

If you didn't know 2 mushrooms looked like frames.

[strange plinth]

everything that rebb was saying about the art direction sounded fairly recent
especially regarding the 'yareli's brother' bit

[olive trout]

what mushroom..

[olive trout]

in his old concept omfd

they were joking abt it in the dev stream bro

[olive trout]

it was alr scrapped tf u mean a frame is a mushroom and the other is a water are siblings while the other from vent kids and the other from mushroom

[olive trout]

whats wrong with it oh wait we eat uriel got it

[proper barn]

Thats not

My point. But sure.

Also

[olive trout]

cuh u think theres a weird problem the devs are just being silly

[proper barn]

No?

[strange plinth]

"You ain't some leftover freak that some Orokin mucker made in a lab. Don't know how or why, but somewhere along the line you became the roots and fruits." seems like it supports that

[olive trout]

whats the lore

[proper barn]

I agree.

Idk if there is one
.

[normal mountain]

That's the Slash shroom, right?
Maybe this means Uriel has Slash based abilities

[proper barn]

But just interesting.

[olive trout]

there aint.

[proper barn]

Yes.

[olive trout]

literally they said they had fun

[pale cedar]

There’s also the Sentient one which you could say looks like a certain Sentient frame

[olive trout]

he does

[proper barn]

Also Devils something

Is the name of the mushroom

[pale cedar]

Trap

[normal mountain]

Man, they revealed his abilities?
Totally missed that

[proper barn]

Cap

[olive trout]

no but looks like it

i even felt like it

but 1st i dont like it

[normal mountain]

Then why the Vay Hek did you say he does, if you don't know

[olive trout]

bruh it looks like it even my clan thinks the same

he might be a survival frame

[bright temple]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[strange plinth]

an assumption is not confirmation

[olive trout]

something like that

his 1st i was disappointed in

[normal mountain]

...I hate you people somedays

[strange plinth]

also lmao
"looks like"

[olive trout]

whats wrong

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/source-source-i-made-it-up-my-source-is-that-i-made-it-up-my-source-is-that-i-made-it-the-f-up-darthmufin-gif-26077161

[olive trout]

was gauss upgraded into prime or orokin made a prime of him?

[pale cedar]

The correct source meme for this game

[strange plinth]

there's only one prime that's non-orokin
whether the prime came first or not is unknown for gauss

[raven urchin]

So,any idea why Nokko has an specific emote with Yareli?

[olive trout]

whats the prime thats none orokin

[proper barn]

Siblings

[strange plinth]

rev prime, as was mentioned earlier

[olive trout]

in his old design he was her brother but it was scrapped but they added it anyway cuz it gives brother vibes to a mushroom frame instead of his old one

[olive trout]

i thought theres more

[proper barn]

Idk

[proper barn]

This wasn't said

[pale cedar]

Brother Sister bond not literally siblings

[proper barn]

Maybe siblings

[pale cedar]

DE confirmed they aren’t actually siblings

[olive trout]

it was and he was being worked on in 2023. yk i had enough of u i think u ragebaitting

[olive trout]

exactly

[strange plinth]

please provide proof

[proper barn]

It wouldn't be that werid Ballas when he talks to Umbra he's like "all your family is doomed'.

[olive trout]

yk what yes they are actually siblings and so is the primes

[proper barn]

Sorry? I don't mean to do that.

[olive trout]

that they actually have a family tree crazy right?

where? source trust me bro

[bright temple]

dude is just saying things

[olive trout]

omfd man

[strange plinth]

unless i'm forgetting some, all currently known primes, except for revenant, are orokin-made
xaku was primed by albrecht, based on the heavy entrati motifs

[raven urchin]

So, right now we only have confirmation of Gauss and Mag being siblings, aside Arthur and Eleanor?

[olive trout]

yes

[strange plinth]

huh

[olive trout]

joke*

i cant stand this man

yall believe that cyte concept was like 7 years ago right?

[strange plinth]

yea, because there's proof of it lmao

[olive trout]

i saw it by myself ong

by not searching i just looked at the abilitys and model

and knew it was like 5 to 6 years old concept

[strange plinth]

that is not a good argument

[raven urchin]

Here hoping to see Lordsaberwulf as Gauss Protoframe

[low jungle]

Can anyone explain who valeria is that teshin keeps yapping

[strange plinth]

a significant person that was in his life
maybe killed by the tenno, maybe not
that's all we know

[olive trout]

idfk what am doing i order food

[strange plinth]

how is that relevant

[olive trout]

am high

[olive trout]

lets pray

[bright temple]

https://tenor.com/view/who-general-mark-r-naird-steve-carell-space-force-confused-gif-17484620

[strange plinth]

LordSaberwulf, the totally-not-a-scaldra-agent that showed up in the 1999 teasers/arg
asked about aoi, claiming she was their sister

[bright temple]

oh

A bit random

[olive trout]

can u dm me the video?

or resource

[strange plinth]

for LordSaberwulf?
the Questions.kin file here

[olive trout]

then she aint going to be gauss cuz he male

we dont wanna see a fat grendel woman

[strange plinth]

huh?

[olive trout]

gauss and grendel are bros

[bright temple]

https://tenor.com/view/nemo-its-like-hes-trying-to-speak-to-me-finding-nemo-gif-15387458

[proper barn]

They where made as a pair.

[olive trout]

not brothers like bros like homies

[proper barn]

Like lovers

[olive trout]

they are depicted as best friends

[proper barn]

That's a joke. We have gay warframes we don't need to make one up.

You are right.

[olive trout]

omfd ur the kind of guy or woman

[proper barn]

What?

[olive trout]

oh u guy

[strange plinth]

sure, but we know nothing about lordsaberwulf
they claimed that aoi was their sister, trying to get information on her
based on how they speak and how the other people in chat react, they're a scaldra officer trying to find the hex

[proper barn]

I'm a kind of guy or woman.

[olive trout]

didnt now ur gender

[proper barn]

SQUINT

[olive trout]

oh

[proper barn]

Ah. There's more than 2 ways to be but sure.

[proper barn]

Also I don't know what omfd means.

[olive trout]

and i wont tell

[bright temple]

oh my flipping dogs

[olive trout]

close

but wont say

[proper barn]

Oh my freaking Dawgs

[olive trout]

ama eat bro am done here

[proper barn]

Is it our flag means death.

[strange plinth]

ok 👍

[proper barn]

That's a good show. Also a very gay show.

[celest needle]

Which is the worst place to actively be an average citizen in, I mean one where people actually live so not inhospitable places or secluded like the drift.

I’d say Fortuna or Hollvania but I can’t tell if your computer potentially trying to eat you while may also just kill you Scaldra or endless labor for an insatiable quota to the Corpus is worse

[woven coyote]

Probably fortuna?
Your pc eating you is a maybe

You growing up into debt slavery is almost assured, the children dont have necks for a reason.

[lilac aspen]

Hollvania is a gamble of whether or not you’ll suffer

Fortuna is a guaranteed you will suffer

Fortuna is the Final Boss of Debt nightmares

You need equipment?
Debt

You need food?
Debt

You need injuries mended?
Debt

If you have any family and they die?
You get any of their Debt too

I wouldn’t be surprised if Nef taxed you for exhaling

And if you don’t pay off those debts they begin to collect your organs and stuff

And put you in even MORE debt giving you robotic replacements

Essentially you will work until they either take your brain or you die from other means

[strange plinth]

hollvania is more.. actively hostile. districts are getting infested and/or purged regularly, but there are safe zones, at least for a while.
fortuna is incredibly oppressive, but its in the background. there's always someone doing maintenance and just trying to get by

[lilac aspen]

Hollvania meanwhile
You just gotta stay out of the severe techrot zones and a bit further away from them to make sure Scaldra doesn’t waltz in saying “Ohohoho, I’m here to purge the minimum levels of techrot just to get rid of you guys.”

That and we have multiple Super Soldier folk actively messing with Scaldra and Techrot activities and even opened up their base for you to hang out in

Granted one can argue Fortuna also has those same super soldiers showing up and actually taking your debt away and messing around with the corpus

[stiff fable]

Fortuna is the company town, Hollvania is a war zone

[unborn token]

I just had a thouth. What are the limits of Koumeis clarivoyance. We know she can see future but how far? Does she know what will happen in Tau? Does she know how all of this story will end?

[woven coyote]

Koumei probably doesnt have clairvoiance

[tulip ridge]

it'd be funny if she did and she said literally nothing

[woven coyote]

It's much more likely to be the unum than koumei

[tulip ridge]

though yeah I doubt it myself as well, there's probably not much she can see if at all anything

[woven coyote]

Not like the average person in cetus could know anyway

[lilac aspen]

“Oh that’s a lot of issues. Should I tell them? Nahhhh, it all turns out fine in the end anyways.”

[tulip ridge]

better idea she's chosen to go all in and gamble the entirety of the known origin system because it's funny

[patent cargo]

yeah that sounds about right

[tulip ridge]

it's happened before it'll happen again

[brittle siren]

Kinda unrelated, but I found this YouTuber playing Warframe and really focused on the game’s lore. He even takes note of nearly everything he hears and sees, and even tries to decipher some language himself

[tulip ridge]

that's impressive

[brittle siren]

Wait so the Cetus quest is before or after Solaris?

[silk atlas]

Chronologically it doesn't really matter, but it released before Fortuna

[brittle siren]

I see

Is Nokko the head of his own hive mind (the smol Nokko and things like The Prince)?

[ashen pulsar]

I don’t think so

He’s part of the fungi tho

[brittle siren]

But he is controlling the smaller mushroom yes?

[ashen pulsar]

Judging from nightcaps dialogue, they are sentient

So they’re probably just his minions and not like mindless summons

[brittle siren]

Because in the scene where Nokko saves Nightcap, the little mushroom voice is heard while Nightcap mentions Nokko. And fyi, Nokko and his spawn have a different tone of voice

Yes they are not mindless like infested or murmur, but they still connect to Nokko until he died

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah

They’re definitely connected to nokko

I just mean that they’re probably more individual than oraxia’s scuttlers or some other example

[brittle siren]

Oh yeah that for sure

Ah, also I want to ask, where did DE put the mushroom side of Solaris in the timeline? What I mean is what quests does this section put in between?

[glacial bough]

Nokko is explicitly only after New War

[brittle siren]

Oh ok

So not really new player friendly

[ashen pulsar]

I mean it depends on how you define new

some people say midgame is only after hex

it really does depend on how much time you spend building frames and exploring the game

[dire mountain]

I remember when second dream was the endgame quest 👴

[hazy prism]

I remember when operator as a whole was a massive spoiler, it was the big WTF moment

[silk atlas]

I remember when there weren't any Landscapes

[hazy prism]

Just realized the Leverian shows off certain cosmetics and alt helmets, I wonder if this means you need to replace the whole head or just the outer layer

[silk atlas]

The frame would just be designed with a different helmet/skin

[brittle siren]

You play even before Cetus 😭????

Damn you are old

[hazy prism]

there used to be things called "Trials" which were 8 man missions (basically the Warframe equivalent of a raid) they got rid of them some time around after PoE launched

[rose estuary]

8 person missions sound chaotic given how chaotic 4 person ones are…

(Or at least they sound like they’d end very quickly lol)

[hazy prism]

it was chaotic, and didn't help this was 8 man content with the same peer to peer networking

this was back when the power level of frames were much lower though, no archon shards, arcanes where max R3 but duplicates were allowed, no weapon arcanes and no galvanized mods

[brittle siren]

So is Natah was born not in the traditional way, since Erra said she was screaming (I think that's like a newborn crying)?

(and Hunhow “lift” her up, like normal human baby too)

[hazy prism]

Sentients love talking in metaphors (Calling Praghasa a Carpenter, and Hunhow a Farmer) so it could just be their flowery language

[patent cargo]

that might be a bad example considering what the sentients were created for (making tau habitable for the orokin)

[hazy prism]

it's more or less that, calling Hunhow a "farmer" is more because he probably had some functionality to grow plants for terraforming
so perhaps Natah's "screaming" was whatever sentient equivalent to the first sound after being born is
although i guess Huhnow could have actually just lifted Natah

[brittle siren]

Also now I wonder, is the lullaby that Adis sings using Praghasa's voice?

[hazy prism]

Does Warframe ever explain why every planet has the same gravity, including moons ?

[bright temple]

gameplay reasons

[hazy prism]

i mean like lore, did the orokin also terraform them with some gravity altering tech

[silk atlas]

Planets like the gas ones are just ships or colony places that are around the planet so yeah probably just gravity tech

[brittle siren]

Also, I think Warframe can be adapted to gravity

[silk atlas]

Nothing says anything about that, and everyone else who goes to those places need the gravity to be correct anyway

[brittle siren]

I mean "everyone" here either enhanced human/clone with advanced suits, or a war machine, or a mass of flesh that can move, or a bunch of AI that can fly

[silk atlas]

And they still have gravity fields or whatever they call it since sabotages can cause gravity anomalies, and making it so that not having to rely on only your suits or enhancements for that is good practice in redundancy

[brittle siren]

Oh don't forget void ghost

[brittle siren]

Fair, but that is in ships

What about Lua though? Sometimes we start the mission outside the building

Though seems like the whole moon has been modified to have Earth's gravity since rocks falling like normal

[silk atlas]

The only missions that cause issues with being "outside" are the ones with the Infested broken ships or the ones exposed to the outside so like... yeah likely also modified

[hazy prism]

the orokin did Terraform Neptune and Uranus which were gas giants, so they probably just made the Moon heavier

[silk atlas]

.

[hazy prism]

wait so we're not on the surface of Neptune proper?

[brittle siren]

We are, kinda

[hazy prism]

but Uranus is definitely an ocean planet now?

[brittle siren]

Yep

Let me recheck Neptune

[glossy dew]

This is a kinda dumb question, but why is it always daytime in the Vallis?

[brittle siren]

Yeah Neptune is on surface

[brittle siren]

Well there is a giant machine above Vallis that changes the temperature, idk if it can shine the whole area though

[feral cape]

The traveler orokin terraformed them

[glossy dew]

The machine was above? I thought the temp change was because of all the machinery on the Vallis, specially because of the whole termia fracture thing

[brittle siren]

Also, it makes me think, if Venus's light side is so hot, can the machine “block” the area from extreme heat per se?

[feral cape]

Holy shit its atsia

[glacial bough]

Terraformed to be liveable mainly, The ocean kind of already exists IRL

[hazy prism]

it's a combination of both, the Reflector seems to be a Corpus addition, the towers are orokin

[karmic prism]

One hour on Venus is 240 days

[feral cape]

I haven't seen that guy in like an eon

[brittle siren]

I thought reflector was also Orokin tech too?

[glossy dew]

Well that explains it

[glacial bough]

You missed all of yesterday then

[glossy dew]

I forgot for a moment about the whole time difference thing

[feral cape]

I did as pneumonia usually causes me to

[brittle siren]

And we're already almost a decade since the Fortuna update

(joke)

[hazy prism]

the Reflector control look more like corpus tech than Orokin tech, but that's still speculation

[karmic prism]

Almost there

[hazy prism]

that's referring to the Weeping Towers, there is a orbital reflector that's the cause of the warm/cool cycle in Orb Vallis

[brittle siren]

Oh wait the devstream said it made by Corpus

The Orokin make it cold while the Corpus sometimes heat it again

“Another fun tidbit of trivia from Steve: the Corpus have fashioned a parabolic sun reflector that shows the time of day. The sun will perpetually be out, but depending on its position along the horizon, different ambience and mood will pass across Orb Vallis. This is a nice alternative to Venus’ actual day/night cycle (which is a 115 extra day wait in comparison to Earth’s).”

[restive river]

Ballas made it warmer, the Corpus were doing it wrong
Or that’s what it says, it’s implied ig

[brittle siren]

You mean during New War or in Orokin era?

[restive river]

New war

Idk if we know Venus’ status during the Orokin Era
But in their absence the Corpus take over and do their best, take what tech they can, keep it running
Then New War happens and Ballas fixes it

Which is why there’s plants, its warmer
And also why the roots and fruits woke up

[hazy prism]

is there any lore on how many tenno there are

if not, than a general ballpark number

[strange plinth]

4 or 5 digits of them based on character spacing in the zariman arg iirc

[rose estuary]

I think 2 million idk

Canonically at least

[silk atlas]

No lol. Any number anyone spouts is just a blind guess.

[celest needle]

Any theories on what deacons are?

they've just been mysterious and honestly just, really really weird

[silk atlas]

I mean a guy who floats around and throws veils isn't exactly the craziest we've seen of tech in this game

[celest needle]

I know but like all of a sudden they just appear working under Narmer and are never explained and everybody rolls with it

Are they amalgams? mimics? whatever?

[silk atlas]

You could frankly say "everybody rolls with it" about any new unit they decide to introduce. They're deacons and that's all that's mentioned about them

[brittle siren]

where is this fragment? I can't seem to find it

or they mean this?

oh it's from devstream?

[celest needle]

Yeah but at least most units are given a short descriptor for what they are or an off hand mention or you can guess what they are

Like Thrax units are spectral undead old war grineer

sure it begs the question why is Thrax using ancient grineer along side Dax but hey we at least know what they are and can deduce something reasonable

[brittle siren]

tbh, from the Teacher quest, we *kinda *are the first "official" Tenno (well successfully) to awaken by Lotus

Idk the comic is during the game events or before though

[lean garden]

first?

[brittle siren]

Teshin said sth like "The Tenno has awaken again"

let me re check

[silk atlas]

I'm more so talking about the number of Tenno there are

[brittle siren]

Teshin: "I need to see for myself. Have the Tenno risen or is this another Lotus trick?"

[brittle siren]

what I mean is, if the Tenno was so many, why there are no trace of them up until us was awaken?

[lean garden]

because we're frickin space ninjas

[silk atlas]

Because every single one of them went to sleep

[humble sierra]

The player is implied to be the first Tenno to wake up

[silk atlas]

And it's not like Warframes weren't being picked off when Lotus was trying to find them, that was the entire plot of The Awakening

[brittle siren]

also consider the Zariman with that size, there a bound to more then ten thousand CHILDREN at most

not to mention there are some that could already died by the adult

we don't really know what is the population on Earth during Orokin era (not counting the orokin ofc)

[silk atlas]

Which is why it isn't productive to be spouting numbers about it, frankly. Just roll with "much less bodies than the other factions have to throw around"

This is even assuming all the population is on just Earth, too

[brittle siren]

we know there's ppl live on Mars (evident by Inaros story), maybe Deimos, Venus etc, so there could be more moon that habitable

idk about planet since most of them either gas giant or diamond rain all years

[dire mountain]

Why do people claim all orokin technology are considered primes

[hazy prism]

Aren't there corpus cities like corpusium or were those destroyed during the fall

[strange turtle]

IIRC Corposium is implied to have fell but yeah

Even if they all fell the Corpus are still around, they could just start over and build more

[strange turtle]

Parvos Granum: "Do you remember Corposium, Ordan? Do you recall the founding principle blazoned proudly in letters not of arrogant gold, but honest brass? 'None shall be slaves.' We used simple robotics, not cloned labour or mind-shacked cephalons, and we do so to this day. In Corposium's name I offer you sanctuary."

[hazy prism]

Makes me wish there was more places to vist that aren't necessarily for missions

Like a Corpus Megacity or Grineer Habblock

[celest needle]

Invading a corpus office kill bill style

[hazy prism]

Like the grineer are a proper military government, so they might not have cities as we see it
But Corpus could still have large cities that are for trading and business, open probably to other factions

[dire mountain]

Unfortunately the presence of a tenno is enough to put settlements on the radar so they are intentionally avoided unless necessary

[heady quest]

This is weird? How come teshin now says we are the first but then there is someone like Alad V who is doing mass experiments with many warframes? How much time has passed between us awakening and us getting to Jupiter? How fast was the lotus with setting other Tenno free after we got freed? This is such a curve ball I always thought the lotus had many Tenno woken up before us and we were kinda the first to defeat Vor so we took the lead so the say. How do other people know about warframes if we are the first to arise after the old war ended? I thought no one currently alive witnessed the old war themselves? Wait how long ago was the old war? How old is teshin???? This single line is so weird.

[strange turtle]

People know because we killed the Orokin+soldiers, we didn’t wipe all the records.

The people aren’t alive, but they still told their children stuff and like I said, records and stories.

Somewhere in the ballpark of at least a thousand years and a bit above that

[heady quest]

Mmh interesting

[brittle siren]

How old is teshin????
also just wanna ask: did you play Whisper in the Wall yet?

[heady quest]

Yeah I have done everything

I might have missed some stuff though

[brittle siren]

so you must already know that Loid is cryo sleeping during Old War to the present day

[heady quest]

yeah but is it confirmed Teshin did the same? And why though, isn't he just a Dax? And how did he wake up? Why wake up so late too like couldn't he just wake up in 10 or 20 years just after the orokin were all dead and not thousands of years in the future?

[tall echo]

teshin was awake

[heady quest]

I am just throwing questions out here don't mind me

[sand elk]

ok so teshin never slept he just never aged such as the power given to the daxes

[white wraith]

whats the best place?

[ocean geyser]

Hm
Probably that one unnamed colony on mars that even the Grineer don’t know about
But Wally happened to them so now i don’t know

[white wraith]

no idea what you're talking about

[ocean geyser]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Transcriptions_of_Unauthorized_Broadcasts

The second one

https://www.warframe.com/news/transcription-of-unauthorized-broadcast-attributed-to-try-again-slick

[heady quest]

oh they are immortal too?

[silk atlas]

No, people just seem to age fairly slow in this universe

[ocean geyser]

I imagine it would have been pretty nice there before the uh
that happened

[sand elk]

also tbf we dont really know how long we slept but only for generations could just be a few hundred years or amt

[stiff beacon]

makes sense given how people tend to live longer with the advancement of civilization

[pale cedar]

Orokin casually being masters of biology

[stiff beacon]

its less casual more thats what they picked as an ascension path

and they hard into it

[tall echo]

One generation in wf can be a few hundred years by itself

Darvo is like 105 and considered a teen by his father

[sand elk]

fair but who actually knows by which standards maybe its the cetus people who are closer to humans so 100 ish years etc

it may be centuries to millennias

[tall echo]

Everyone is descended from humans

[sand elk]

closer to non modified

orokin did kuva immortality and dax did somesort of variant of kuva corpus mechanical parts etc

[tall echo]

Continuity doesn't extend physical lifespans, dax are probably modified, corpus are just normal people

[oblique tinsel]

Dagath Prime. How would that work out lore-wise?

like, Baldas gives the Orokin freaks a dozen Dagaths or something?

[silk atlas]

The fact that Grandmother is telling a tall tale and may or may not be messing with you when see talks about it. Or that Dagath was simply the first.

[oblique tinsel]

ok. I can see that.

it would be funny if Dagath prime has a face

[normal mountain]

I can see one of three ways
The first two being the boring ways
Where og Dagath was the Prime
Or where Ballas kept notes on Dagath to make a separate Prime

Or the interesting way imo
Where Dagath took the Orokin scum couple's armor and made herself a "Prime"

yes, I am taking some inspiration from Lavos Prime, how could you tell?

[oblique tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-rider-fire-flame-skull-motorcycle-gif-16541993

I think it still would make sense since she's basically this guy

I can't remember his name

[normal mountain]

That's the Ghost Rider

Dagath better because fire is, while cool, overused and overrated

[oblique tinsel]

I agree fire is overused, but she's still basically ghost rider on a horse and with a bad headache....

[digital grail]

Ghost rider can have a horse

[proper barn]

I mean the funniest option is Ballas makes the OG dagath sees she gets head holed and then makes her a prime later.

[ashen pulsar]

It’s a ghost rider there’s like 5 different characters

Not even multidimensional bs there’s just so many ghost riders

[pearl ferry]

I don't know if this is the right spot to ask, but where do I learn more about Yareli and Nokko? I've heard bits and pieces that they have backstory as siblings, and I would love to read about that, if there's anywhere in game to read it.

[pale cedar]

They don’t have backstory of siblings because the siblings thing is a vibe not a sibling by blood or anything

Nokko lore you get by listening to Nightcap

Yareli lore is the Waverider quest and her Prime trailer

[restive river]

They def know eachother we just don’t know their exact relationship beyond the vibe

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[pearl ferry]

I figured as much, I know more lore also comes from The Prince, but I wanna wait to feed him until I know my Fergolyte is ok to use and doesnt need to go towards the mushrooms in the store

Thank you, though! :) Helps me know if, other than Waverider and Nightcap/The Prince, there was more to read up on

[woven coyote]

Yeah to expand on where people got the sibling thing from

The devs just mentioned it was a prompt for the animators when making nokko's idle animations

[tall echo]

You'll get enough ferg just farming for the new stuff

And mushrooms are also obtained in the bounties so ye

[proper barn]

@pearl ferry okay so. EVERY Bounty has 4 mushrooms. 2 in the first area and 2 where the Bounty goes.

@pearl ferry also the undermind map never changes and you can use k-drives there.

[dire mountain]

The prince needs like 120 fergolyte total so it isnt too bad

[unique talon]

I wonder how powerful the Warframes could be if their signature lores were accurate in gameplay

[lilac aspen]

And it got telephoned into
“He’s Yareli’s little brother.”

Instead of
“Imagine him like he’s Yareli’s little brother in terms of his personality and how he acts.”

TLDR
DE did a whoops and it made the warframe more funny in the process

[green beacon]

Do we currently know any faction more dangerous than the sentients also would be able to fight them in the future?

[north jolt]

Im just going to make a prediction for the new update: The xx99 is either going to be 2099 (leaning towards this because of multiple comments by different characters mentioning the difficulty of going further back then 1999) or 1899 if the previously mentioned thing gets explained

[pearl ferry]

That's honestly so cool, love that new lore.

[pearl ferry]

I got hints of this from the mushroom logs! That's super cool, and this is absolutely handy to have!

[green beacon]

Ah yes metallically enhanced individual load thy musket and unsheathe thy sabre to slay upon thee scoundrels

[north jolt]

Yes

[green beacon]

But yeah the prediction makes sense to either go a bit further in time (2099) or go back more to get more answers

But I mean we already know what happens in 2077

Am I right lads or am I right lads

[lilac aspen]

They did the equivalent of that in old war

[green beacon]

I know, wouldn’t be making the joke I didn’t play it

[lilac aspen]

We do need a musket weapon though