lore-discussion

[normal blade]

Same

But then again, tenno npcs please

[misty salmon]

they do sneak them in occasionally in flashbacks though, which is what old peace seems likely to be.

[proven spire]

damn other players are the worst npc lmao

[regal torrent]

hype

[stiff fable]

I had a dude straight up fail an objective because he didn't read today

[normal blade]

Oh yeah like that one where mother levitates with the other children

[regal torrent]

warframe players dont read

[misty salmon]

and the classroom scenes on the zariman with "your friend with the unusually vibrant hair"

[stiff fable]

And when I called him out he started DMing me AFTER the mission

just being a huge perrita

[strange plinth]

ah yea it is perita

[regal torrent]

I bet they were a console player

[stiff fable]

PC

[proven spire]

world premiere

[stiff fable]

sadly

[normal blade]

The canister part of deimos' bounty where you have to get them from the drones, almost no one gets and puts the canister in the kiosk thingy, like COME ON Y'ALL

[regal torrent]

[stiff fable]

I can't take this seriously

the "Female dog" rebellion

[strange plinth]

ah

[stiff fable]

Like okay Orokin maybe a little less sass

[strange turtle]

“Man that was such a trip, what about you kid, how was yours?”

“Adis…”

[normal blade]

You got the wrong pic man, it's this one /s

I just realized, their direction for like the tenno npcs

On what it could be like

Either make them your actual friends in the game

[regal torrent]

I want an older sister figure for a tenno npc

[normal blade]

Or just random players'

With their fashions

[normal blade]

HECK YEAH

[regal torrent]

older sister or villain

[normal blade]

Our turn to have our own auntie

[stiff fable]

closest you'll get is eggAdis

[normal blade]

Make them stay in the sentient kaiju mech, I'm in

[stiff fable]

"Get in the robot Adis"

[normal blade]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-anime-gif-22734101

[regal torrent]

yo I have that chair in my orbiter

I call it the shinji chair. I hope de adds that as an emote

[normal blade]

Best chair, chances are those two did it on that iykyk

[regal torrent]

HUH?

I missed that lore piece

[normal blade]

The hex members that sell you scaldra weapons and furnitures on the side, those two be flirting right in front of me every damn time I come by for furniture "one frozen ass coming right up" like mf I know I'm single but don't do that shit in front of me

[strange turtle]

could always ruin the relationship

[normal blade]

Hell nah, I might be an a-hole but I'm not THAT evil

[strange plinth]

"if only i could get them to stop flirting in public"

[normal blade]

Woah guys, let's not ruin someone's marriage even if the pda gets annoying sometimes

[tall echo]

...why

[regal torrent]

I just feel like it could be a unique dynamic

there's a lot you can do with it story-wise

[narrow pendant]

taking 1999 horribly out of context

[strange turtle]

I wonder if Albrecht likes the hero leader voice-

[narrow pendant]

ay im da man from da future im walkin 'ere

[ocean geyser]

Then you already mentioned the Warframe with voidtongue abilities

Xaku

Yk
Xata’s whisper
Grasp of Lohk

I really don’t think there’s anyone else

[violet storm]

Also Accuse
GAZE
D E N Y

[restive river]

While not voidtongue words they do relate to reqiuems
Same with the vast untime relating to the untime of the void

[violet storm]

Also, Untime rift literally rips open a void rift

[restive river]

Xaku is
the voidframe and i love it

[restive river]

Yeah, iirc they already opened rifts with their 2 and 1 but now they can do it again!

Sorry not their 1

Their 3
Accuse
I’m tired

Grasp of lohk for the tentacles and iirc accuse since it corrupts like fissures, looks the same too last i checked

[violet storm]

Xaku literally be making the most their deep connection to the void thanks to the three being ripped apart by the void then being put together again like pieces of a puzzle not meant to go together

[restive river]

I wanna say we don’t even know what did that to them and the countless others on those expeditions

The void, likely, conceptual embodiment, is what holds Xaku together

[stiff isle]

what does this say

[restive river]

Iirc, Kneel.

[stiff isle]

do we have like a whole alphabet for this

[lean garden]

yep

its just 1999 orokin text

[tall echo]

One requiem

"They gaze, accuse, deny" is all in one requiem

[restive river]

Yee

[violet storm]

Isn’t that ris?

[modest surge]

i'd like to take hunhow out of uranus 💭

[pale cedar]

Not possible

[unique talon]

Gentlemen?

[hollow siren]

The strain was developed but never actually used on anyone, thus never being named -> Albrecht brought it to the past and used it on Flare, making them the first and only person to have had that strain used on them -> Albrecht finally gives the strain a name, naming it after Flare's stage name Temple

Warframe strains can be developed on their own, it's not limited to just injecting a person and seeing what happens to them

[unique talon]

These strains you mean?

[woven coyote]

I find it funny people still think you cant just design a frame

Some people think that in a sci fi future people arent capable of something we can do nowadays

You can design stuff without ever setting out to actually build it

[unique talon]

What are you talking about?

[woven coyote]

Temple batch was designed but never actually made

[strange turtle]

The Temple Strain

[woven coyote]

Entrati then takes that experimental batch that was never used to transform someone

And gives it to flare

[strange turtle]

I wonder if these people think it’s just like
Luck of the draw

[woven coyote]

Even with how stupid the orokin were i doubt they would leave tools of war up to luck

[strange turtle]

“Ok this strain gave this guy rock powers, let’s hope the next one gives this guy something with weapons, maybe spea- oh great, he eats people”

[ocean geyser]

I’m sure some people thought it was like that at least

I wonder what Ballas’s design process is for the Warframes and their abilities

Definitely know that he made Grendel because people complained about the Warframes being too pretty

Although i do wonder where the “yeah he should roll up into a ball” thing came from

Maybe Ballas was just high lmao

[misty salmon]

"been looking at some ancient media, and, hear me out, what if sonic the hedgehog just ate an egg, man?"

[stiff beacon]

a bunch of test subjects and a dart board

[stiff fable]

iirc it's supposed to be something like "come up with a theme and go from there"

So, sword, magical girl, dancer, hot wings, etc

[stiff beacon]

infested squared

[hollow siren]

Torture complex and/or spite

[narrow pendant]

i like to think when the first frame of a new kind is made, the person being infected affects the abilities while the strain is just the base theming & design, then the original person behind it interprets it into the abilities which after rebuilding the frame stays intact

[ocean geyser]

I think the personality of the original subject affects the warframe’s abilities
Although how that translates into “i turn into a ball” is beyond me

[hollow siren]

that is largely how it works yeah

[stiff beacon]

i mean we know thats a possiblity because mirage @narrow pendant

[narrow pendant]

and their basic personalities stay intact while a tenno stays inside them which would explain the idles / lack of them when in operator mode

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

The drifter confirms this anyway

[silk atlas]

The fact they can be designed at all means it's likely far less common for them to just completely ignore what the design is meant to be, else... why even design them really.

[stiff fable]

There's some level of compatibility at play too

[ocean geyser]

The funny part about this is Gara makes this an inconsistency since Ballas deliberately put glass into her design to screw with Nihil

So she either conveniently had a personality that matched or she was in on it to screw with Nihil

[narrow pendant]

yeah id just assume if its a not fitting person they would just die in the process

[ocean geyser]

The latter would make sense considering she even volunteered yo be Warframe’d

[narrow pendant]

which would explain why entratie just so managed to find people that fit the strains

[hollow siren]

Gara would be up for anything if it helped her tower wife

[stiff fable]

I don't think it's a hard compatibility thing

[silk atlas]

Or Gara was just designed as such and whoever was made into Gara just didn't do anything to try and fudge up the design

[stiff fable]

also iirc Gara was different from Gara Prime

[ocean geyser]

Hm?

[hollow siren]

She volunteered despite knowing the truth of the Warframes, and was potentially a Dax

[narrow pendant]

vauban was specifically made to show orokin tech's supremacy over the corpus lmao

[stiff fable]

But Gara Prime person was brave soldier+bright example, so Gara fit her

[ocean geyser]

I don’t really think they were separate people

[stiff fable]

The Gara who blew up for the Unum was a base Gara

[ocean geyser]

Well yeah

[hollow siren]

yes, that is also the only Gara we know of

[silk atlas]

Because again, the only one who's really said to have done something like that is Mirage, while everyone else doesn't have a mention of such, and if we have "volunteers or not", I doubt every person no one would want to at least try to modify the process.

[hollow siren]

the volunteer is the same

[stiff fable]

Gara Prime is the one who Ballas put the volunteer into.

[ocean geyser]

That doesn’t mean it’s magically not Gara

[stiff fable]

?

Primes were separate from the base forms

[ocean geyser]

You’re saying it like a brand new lady was infested to create the base one

[hollow siren]

A lot of stuff like that is kinda just retro-active Prime canonization

[stiff fable]

No, I'm saying that Gara and Gara Prime were two different Warframe models

We don't know which came first

[ocean geyser]

That’s how it works yeah

[stiff fable]

So stuff that applies to Gara Prime doesn't apply to Gara

[ocean geyser]

You’ve lost me but okay

[silk atlas]

They're two different people.

The fact that whoever would be Gara Prime volunteered doesn't mean anything about who Gara was, ergo, we can't say anything about them wanting to screw with the process like Mirage did.

[narrow pendant]

same strain, cheaper materials for easier mass cloning

[silk atlas]

Even then, it's never elaborated on who is a product of this defiancy and who isn't 99% of the time anyway.

Gara and Mirage are special cases as far as we know

[narrow pendant]

often case by case, many exceptions exist like lavos priming himself

[ocean geyser]

As is the case for most warframes
I imagine Gara would be the type to have her Prime be made first
Ballas would absolutely go all in on making fun of Nihil

[narrow pendant]

voruna prime would also be interesting for a lore reason to come up with

"forced to upgrade her at the threat of being eaten alive by 4 wolves"

[ocean geyser]

I do like how we’re gonna just keep having Ballas lose his shit over warframes he never made showing up as primes at some point
Dawg is gonna be so confused in the Temple Prime trailer, should it happen

[narrow pendant]

id love for quorvex prime it to be albrecht narrating

[ocean geyser]

Real

[narrow pendant]

he def would be adorned with entrati obols

[hollow siren]

if Temple Prime gets a trailer I hope it's Albrecht explaining to Flare what he's injecting them with

[silk atlas]

Temple getting an Albrecht trailer would be cool yeah

[narrow pendant]

im imagining meet the medic rn but much darker lmao

"dont worry rips grow back"

[ocean geyser]

To be fair, Ballas showing up to watch Temple appear during the Night of the Naga drums would also be funny

[hollow siren]

Qorvex and Dante Prime will have to be Entrati-themed or else idek

[hollow siren]

True

[silk atlas]

They can certainly look it but I'm not holding my breath on either of them getting a trailer where Albrecht is talking

[hollow siren]

if Gyre Prime gets a trailer maybe it can explain some more on Gyra and how she's connected to Gyre

[ocean geyser]

“This couldn’t possibly get any worse-“

“why do i hear rock music?”

[narrow pendant]

dante would be another worthy candidate of a frame priming itself

[hollow siren]

Entrati-themed designs, not necessarily Albrecht-narrated trailers

[hollow siren]

true that

[narrow pendant]

wait what was the lore for xaku prime then, wasnt playing when they came out

[silk atlas]

Seeing Gyra doing dances back in the Origin System while they superimpose Gyre Prime over her while the Zariman is going to hell would be sick

[silk atlas]

There isn't.

[narrow pendant]

lol

[hollow siren]

Hobie's intro in spider-verse

Do you see my vision

[stiff fable]

Not Dante, he went into the labs on his own

[hollow siren]

yeah, so maybe Albrecht and/or Loid made some theoretical designs on enhancing him with Entrati tech

[ocean geyser]

I see it

[ocean geyser]

Dante could be Drusus and Loid yapping

They were friends with him, after all

[hollow siren]

https://youtu.be/yL4GEKcTX04?si=MmM30GxiMZD-oG9q

[hollow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/they-were-roommates-ohmygod-ohmygod-they-were-roommates-gif-13171811792749378048

[stiff fable]

I always got the sense he went into the labs without permission and everyone knew he wouldn't be coming back

Guessing that Ballas still handles that Prime trailer

[silk atlas]

I really hope they give Gyre a killer trailer I'm already imagining it in my head

[hollow siren]

Loid personally knew Dante and Drusus as they stayed in the Labs

Dante hid there to escape being purged/killed by the Orokin when they started making all Warframes inert

[stiff fable]

Huh? Iirc no, he was compelled to investigate the labs

And then got eaten by the book ghost

[ocean geyser]

You’re both right lmao

[stiff fable]

Oh lol, Warframe rebellions?

[hollow siren]

imagine Tuvul voicing it as a speech to the Zariman's initial launch

[hollow siren]

He did that while hiding there

[ocean geyser]

As in Drusus and Loid took him into their care because they were friends, and then Dante went into the labs because he wanted lore

You are literally both correct

[woven coyote]

Doesnt work
As far as i remember zariman is before warframes

[narrow pendant]

no exact confirmation, the first tests couldve happened during it

[pale cedar]

Nah, Warframes existed before Zariman

See Kullervo

[ocean geyser]

It could also just be a recording of tuvul yapping

[stiff fable]

Warframes existed before Zariman came back

[hollow siren]

Could be him talking about the Zariman ship itself, and it just matches Gyre since ships are always referred to as feminine

talking about the ship like "She will gracefully dance across the Void" while we see Gyre Prime use her abilities

[woven coyote]

As far as i remmeber

Sentients start making the trip to tau
Someone gets impatient and sends zariman
Sentients return
War and warframes
Zariman returns and the whole tenno thing with margulis
Tenno get weaponized
Old peace

[pale cedar]

I thought you meant the incident lol

[woven coyote]

Nah i was talking about making a prime trailer for gyre prime but framing it as a launch speech by tuvuul for the zariman departure

And how as far as i know it doesnt work

[hollow siren]

it would be his unrelated speech put over Gyre Prime's trailer, and his descriptors just happen to match

so he's not actually talking about Gyre

[woven coyote]

That could work true

[hollow siren]

.

[woven coyote]

Honestly it probably will end up as ballas mocking tuvuul like he mocked nihil

[hollow siren]

or just no trailer

[woven coyote]

Yeah

They are probably swamped with the old peace and devils triad

[hollow siren]

I doubt Styanax Prime will have one since he got the fully animated regular trailer due to being the 50th

Voruna Prime might get one like honestly

she would need an explanation for existing

[woven coyote]

I would argue thats more of a reason to give him a trailer

[hollow siren]

and hers could be narrated by Tuvul too

[woven coyote]

Like 50th warframe and 50th prime? Sounds like the kind of thing they would celebrate

[narrow pendant]

and then imagine them messing up the order again and give the 50th prime frame's trailer to someone completely else

[woven coyote]

Lol

[pale cedar]

DE also could not give her one because they don’t want to explain it

[narrow pendant]

cough cough garuda lore

[hollow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-pubg-loading-sniper-reload-gif-4868344854109813711

[celest needle]

So Salad V has been connected to the infestation, and cured of it, so does that mean he was at one point connected to the hive mind?

Or did it just take him over and left

[silk atlas]

He was, yeah

[celest needle]

So does that mean he at least knows the hive mind similar to Eleanor but actually managed to get away from it.

[silk atlas]

Why would he care about Eleanor

He only got out of it because we beat some sense into him and he had a cure, apparently.

[celest needle]

I don't mean that, the Corpus don't even know 1999 exists but at least, Alad has seen into the infested Hive Mind.

And [does he] retains everything he knows from it

[silk atlas]

Retaining all that info would be a big stretch

[woven coyote]

Never saw anything close to that statement

[tall echo]

What's your source, senator armstrong?

[woven coyote]

The knowledge he has before and after the cure didn't seem different to me

[celest needle]

It is a question

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034276993950302331/1319642717181051011/image0.gif

[tall echo]

It's not phrased like one

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-explode-gif-15295996165959499721

I must phrase better

[tall echo]

The answer to the question is no

[celest needle]

okay, thanks for the info

[sly pagoda]

A tiny bit of brain rot, Wondering if the gender of the host matters to the helminth strain of warframe. Or if the FrameSauce™️ just makes whatever alterations are required.

[stiff fable]

probably does matter

All the donors we know about match the gender of the Warframe they became

[swift sentinel]

And since we clone the Frames we create only the original hosts gender would matter.

[tall echo]

All, what, three of them?

[stiff fable]

the protos

[ashen pulsar]

how does that work with temple

[pale cedar]

Temple in modern day is temple from 1999

[strange turtle]

…Flare is enby, not sexless

[pale cedar]

No frames have issues due to gender being a thing tbh

[open coral]

do you guys think that tenno are more comfortable in their warframes than not? like a professional driver/cyclist/skater feels more at home on their vehicle than walking

[strange turtle]

It probably took a while to get used to at first fresh out of the Dream, but it’d probably depend individually

[ashen pulsar]

I know that

[pale cedar]

Tenno aren't actually in the frame tbh

[tall echo]

Think that's not really out of necessity more than just to not make them feel weird

[silk atlas]

It's more like sitting in a chair for who knows how many years and then your actual legs don't work for a bit like you see in TSD

[tall echo]

?

[ashen pulsar]

just wrote out a whole message that got blocked cuz of language, lemme try again

damn its not working

wait so we mentioned that gender of the host generally matches the frame, did temple require a certain biological gender to work

[open coral]

no mucking swear words

[tall echo]

We don't know

We don't know if the host gender even needs to match the frame

[open coral]

more likely entrati just picked subjects that are most similar to the corresponding strains or vice-versa

[ashen pulsar]

true ig

[tall echo]

Existing evidence can't really be counted bc that's mostly extremely likely for non-lore reasons

[open coral]

theres a lot of questions surrounding protoframes. it seems that the cool aspect of having living frames was more important than perfect lore consistency

like, did entrati install a transferrence bolt? ballas seems to imply that its a painful and damaging procedure. they also didn't go crazy for some reason

[ashen pulsar]

we've seen more than 13 points of evidence to suggest that but it still doesn't mean it always applied, that's a very small sample group

kinda frustrating tho

[tall echo]

The reason is bc they're not fully transformed

[ashen pulsar]

I mean, we've seen flare beginning to deal with "infested madness" as drifter says

[stiff fable]

Warframes don't really need transference bolts

[open coral]

again i think entrati just matched protos to strains based on how similar they are, including their gender

[stiff fable]

Ballas put one in Umbra to be able to control him remotely

[tall echo]

Evidence that extremely likely doesn't count bc it's mostly for non-lore reasons

[open coral]

dont they need it for, yk, transferrence?

[tall echo]

No

[stiff fable]

Yeah like I said earlier there's a compatibility thing with Warframes, and gender would be one category

[open coral]

maybe the bolt just makes it possible to tranfer without the host's consent

[ashen pulsar]

fair, we only really have like 5 points outside of that

outside of protos I mean

[pale cedar]

We have it innately anyway

[stiff fable]

Transference is a Tenno power

[tall echo]

Haha

[stiff fable]

Like, Drifter transfers into Orowyrms

[ashen pulsar]

and golden maws

[stiff fable]

which wouldn't have one since they're not, you know, actual constructs

[open coral]

idk if drifter counts, given that duviri is only half real

[ashen pulsar]

did entrati's giants have a bolt?

[stiff fable]

game calls it transference

[silk atlas]

...Duviri is just real dude

[ashen pulsar]

probably right

[stiff fable]

Probably not

[ashen pulsar]

no?

[open coral]

the drifter seems to not think so in kim logs

[stiff fable]

he didn't build them for himself to transfer into

[tall echo]

Umbra(male>male)
Temple(nb>nb)
Mirage(??>female)
Gara(??>female)
Dagath(female?>female)
Any I missed?

[stiff fable]

Gara

Dagath

[open coral]

wait actually what the hell did entrati make the giants for? just transferrence?

[ashen pulsar]

kullervo I think

[stiff fable]

To fight Wally

[silk atlas]

There are also convos in there where he says the complete opposite, not to mention it doesn't really matter when other people can interact with it without any care about how Drifter thinks about it.

[ashen pulsar]

dagath was alr said

[stiff fable]

mb

[tall echo]

Nah

[open coral]

still, the fact that all of duviri is just void muckery means the rules are fuzzy regardless

tho i do concur that you transfer into a lot of stuff that isnt warframes

[ashen pulsar]

no?

[tall echo]

Kullervo is a frame from first crime to the last

[ashen pulsar]

nvm then

[stiff fable]

iirc there was something in one of the nursery rhymes that was suggestive but no more than that

[tall echo]

Kinda stupid of ballas to make a betrayal frame and not expect him to betray him

[open coral]

personal theory still consists that the "transferrence bolt" just lets you control them without consent/remotely

[ashen pulsar]

yareli?

[stiff fable]

I mean, Ballas betrayed Kullervo first soooo

[tall echo]

Oh ye yareli prime

[pale cedar]

At least he refused to make a second betrayal frame

[open coral]

wasnt the yuan mentioned in the yareli prime entry the first yareli

[pale cedar]

Yes

[open coral]

like its implied that yareli was her name

[stiff fable]

I thought it was just that Yareli Prime

[tall echo]

So that's like, 3/6 frames where we know the og host gender matches

[stiff fable]

The one issue is that we don't have any counterexamples

[tall echo]

Is dagath's dax gender ever mentioned I forgot

[pale cedar]

“The Waverider arises, reborn from the ocean foam. In her original Orokin-era splendor she embodies the undying vigor of youth.”

[stiff fable]

Female

Always refered to as "her" or "she"

[tall echo]

I'd count unknowns as counter examples

[stiff fable]

Doesn't work like that

[open coral]

prime trailers aren't necessarily describing the prime. the protea prime trailer is probably describing regular protea, given that she's still in the granum void to this day

[silk atlas]

Saying it's "just" Void muckery is highly disingenous honestly because there are still some expectations on how it works, and Duviri is frankly one of the most stable things to ever come from the Void at all.

[tall echo]

Usually are

[stiff fable]

also Duviri exists to keep void randomness out

[tall echo]

-# proto genders definitely only match the frame for design reasons

[stiff fable]

The ultimate counterexample is maybe Uriel

[open coral]

you dare bring gameplay reasons into this sacred lore speculation channel?? glass him.

[stiff fable]

since Rothe was an Orokin, he'd stolen male and female bodies over the years

[tall echo]

Not even gameplay, game DESIGN, a layer above!

[stiff fable]

Warframe? Male.

[open coral]

hm ill let you off this time
-# also you're already a cephalon so actually idk what id be glassing

[ashen pulsar]

we dont even know that tho...

there were prob some orokin who preferred to keep a gender

even if the general consensus was that it didnt matter

[tall echo]

Glass, ig

I personally doubt ballas or the helminth would give a dam about the host's gender and matches are either by design or by coincidence

[celest needle]

I wonder what connection the Descendia will have with Kullevero an the neural sentries

[stiff fable]

it's almost more likely that the bosses will be all the frame bosses we've had in the past

[open coral]

if the ones we fight in duviri are copies, is the one in descendia the true original kullvero

[stiff fable]

So, Protea, Umbra, etc

No, because you access Descendia in a dream

same as Perita Rebellion

[open coral]

oh 😞

what the void is a perita rebellion

[stiff fable]

the one time "It's all just a dream" is factually accurate

Old Peace

It's the name of the actual battle

[tall echo]

The og kullervo is also in duviri

[open coral]

ohhhh

[stiff fable]

the OG Kullervo broke out of Duviri ages ago

going by the seventh cage being broken

[celest needle]

Although Roathe seems to have some connection to it

From his pre half-warframe days

[tall echo]

His sword is still there, he wouldn't just leave it behind

[stiff fable]

counterpoint: Kullervo's sword is a decoration

I imagine the prime version will be his melee

[tall echo]

There's also a neat implication that kullervo's helmet got warped by his time in duviri bc the copies use the alt helmet

[stiff fable]

yup!

[open coral]

well isnt it more like this did actually happen thousands of years ago and we're just remembering it?

actually, good question.
did old peace canonically happen as we perform it, or is this an animus situation?

[tall echo]

A skin, but canonically an actual weapon

[stiff fable]

you're reliving your memories of it

but the remembering is in a dream

so, probably animus

down to the part where breaking what happened in the memory throws you out of it

No saving Adis

[celest needle]

His entire body looks warped from the looks of it

[tall echo]

Animus is genetic memory so it's kinda just. Remembering. Not animus

[celest needle]

Since it follows the Duviri art style rather then a conventional warframe

[open coral]

cant wait for kullervo prime to show off his true original un-duviri'd design

or maybe we can get a deluxe skin for that, like valkyr

[tall echo]

Can only say the helmet is for relatively sure

[stiff fable]

right but in AC 1 the idea was that the further you got from the reality of the memory the closer the system came to crashing

[tall echo]

That's in every game

[stiff fable]

which is why taking damage was bad, incredibly

[open coral]

wait the animus was canon from the start? i thought the concept of it was introduced in 3

[stiff fable]

nah they actually changed it later on

[tall echo]

Bruh

[stiff fable]

hahahaha

[open coral]

i haven't played ac1 or 2

[tall echo]

BRUH

[open coral]

leave me be

[tall echo]

PLAY THE EZIO GAMES

[stiff fable]

The original idea was that you were a guy who'd been thrown into the machine so the templars could find out what your ancestors did

[tall echo]

It is mandatory

[stiff fable]

They were building up to a "modern" AC

[open coral]

cant wait for 2057 when we finally get the modern day asassains creed game

[tall echo]

And then just killed the good story and gameplay

[stiff fable]

AND THEN JUST KILLED THE GOOD STORY AND GAMEPLAY

[open coral]

idk i like the pirate games

[stiff fable]

Almost as big a waste of a franchise as Mass Effect

[tall echo]

I'm glad switch only got the good AC games

[tall echo]

All 1 of them

[stiff fable]

They fired the game director midway through 3's development

[open coral]

me when i forget there was a sequel to black flag

[stiff fable]

which is why that game is ass and 4 is good

[tall echo]

Black flag is a prequel so duh

[stiff fable]

they took the ideas he didn't want to do and make 4, and then they were out of ideas

[tall echo]

My favorite game is AC rogue :)

[celest needle]

I know its extremely stupid but is there like a lore reason that the [old frame] primes look like just modified versions their non primed forms, compared to modern primes which look almost completely different

[open coral]

ill tell you what, asassains creed is probably the AAA series that has the most actual love put into its story

[tall echo]

No

[silk atlas]

lore reason no.

[open coral]

because DE got better at modeling

[silk atlas]

DE was just inexperienced and low-staffed

[stiff fable]

It's purely because primes weren't originally a thing in the lore

[tall echo]

Until they killed the story yeah

[stiff fable]

They made Excal Prime as a thank you to founders

And then realized it would be their grind loop

[celest needle]

So they just dripped out some frames and gave Frost and Rhino a face mask and a black color scheme 😭

[open coral]

completely speculative but im gonna say that earlier frames irl were also earlier frames in the orokin empire and thus less advanced tech. simpler frames means the modern tenno can replicate them more accurately

also the first 15 or so frames were probably more popular and more well-documented than when there was 50+ strains running around, so theres more data to replicate them from

[tall echo]

That seems. Very self-contradictory

[open coral]

how :<

[silk atlas]

See there's also the fact Heirlooms and Deluxes exist explicitly because they realized "Oh wait we need to give the older frames cooler skins so they don't look so dumb and bare.

So like... no.

[tall echo]

Nvm I just got confused by wording

[open coral]

heirloom and deluxe versions of strains were made later into the timeline of frames idk

[celest needle]

....

[open coral]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-nokko-dance-so-true-bestie-yareli-gif-15461663442563194899

someone should make "get this man a true" but with

[tall echo]

Skins are non-canon unless stated otherwise

(Only canon skin is valkyr gersemi)

[silk atlas]

There's quite frankly just no lore reason it's just because DE got better and have more resources to get crazier with Primes

[open coral]

oh also earlier frames were prime from the start whilst later into the lifetime of warframes they started making not-prime frames for however many reasons so frames that started out unprime and later got primed obvious got completely new designs when primed

[open coral]

its a lore channel let me make up outlandish speculative headcanons

[tall echo]

The first warframe was a regular excal

[tall echo]

No.

Not on my watch

[open coral]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469905

ok mr no fun cephalon simaris

[open coral]

where is this stated?

[tall echo]

I'm not like simaris

[tall echo]

Excal codex entry

"Excalibur was the first"

[open coral]

could still apply to excal prime tbh

[tall echo]

It says that in the regular's codex

[open coral]

and? excalibur prime's history is still important to excalibur tenno version

[tall echo]

There's no specifics on which frames were and weren't primed from the start beyond lavos and that

[tall echo]

It doesn't say excalibur prime was the first

[open coral]

it also doesnt say excalibur nonprime was the first

both are still excalibur

[tall echo]

...are you just rage baiting now

[open coral]

no im serious 😭 how do you not see this interpretation of the text

[tall echo]

DE was consistent with lore even very early on, valkyr's name isn't said once in the prime trailer

[open coral]

in the scenario where the first versions of every frame was prime, the line "excalibur was the first" applies to excalibur prime

[tall echo]

Then it'd say that

[stiff fable]

But that wasn't the case

[open coral]

why the hell would it say that

[tall echo]

Why would it not

[stiff fable]

DE never actually said that the prime were the originals

And when they DID break silence on the question, they confirmed that there is no pattern to priming and creation order

[open coral]

both are undoubtably excalibur, and if all the first versions were prime why would you specify "excalibur PRIME was the first PRIME frame to be made in PRIME"

[stiff fable]

so, base Excalibur was the first Warframe ever made

[tall echo]

...because nothing says primes are the first

[patent cargo]

it is implied though

[stiff fable]

"Prime first" was a player assumption

[tall echo]

NO :)

[open coral]

the word "prime" doesnt help tbh

[stiff fable]

But it actually doesn't make sense because primes aren't actually stronger than base versions except in very minor ways

[tall echo]

It is explicitly stated that some were primed from go and others weren't :)

[tall echo]

Prime doesn't just mean first

[silk atlas]

This is easily the most screenshotted quote I have to keep going back to

[stiff fable]

lol

[open coral]

-# true actually.
it does imply a past version tho

[silk atlas]

Okay but it's not, so lets go from there

Just flat and plainly not.

[tall echo]

It. Doesn't?

[stiff fable]

Yeah, it does not

[glacial bough]

The implication of Primes being first came from a Devstream and the prime webpage

[stiff fable]

Prime just means "best example"

[glacial bough]

The Excalibur line does not imply it

[tall echo]

Prime implies superiority

[stiff fable]

So, Excalibur Best, Sevagoth Best

And to have a "best" you have to have an original to compare it to

[silk atlas]

Or just some wack inferior form

[open coral]

it.. does. absolutely does. if someone mentions their "prime years" they're talking about the past. its common in media for the old original version of something to be called the "prime" version of it. word usage is important here, not just the oxford definition

[celest needle]

Lavos:

I wondere why Vauban didn't do the same

[silk atlas]

Yeah because "years" a timeframe??? You expect the future to be the prime time of your life???

[stiff fable]

you've mistaken the connotation in both examples you give

[tall echo]

It doesn't mean past even in those uses though, it means best

[stiff fable]

"Prime years" are "the years they were at their best"

[silk atlas]

And again, whatever you thought Prime meant clearly isn't what DE is going with, can we move on

[celest needle]

critical vocabulary blunder

[open coral]

because vauban is a loser crybaby who isnt as cool as vauba
-# and because turning something to gold is just a common alchemist trope

[tall echo]

Nah we stuck on this

[tall echo]

He can't

[stiff fable]

In a recording sense, the "prime" recording is because copying a recording results in a lesser recording

But that's not how Warframes are duplicated, so

[open coral]

tbh my headcanon still works if the prototype for excal wasnt gold, cuz they would have just made the gold version also early into the lifespan of frames so they wouldnt bother making it different idk

[stiff fable]

if anything, the prototype for the Excalibur Warframe was Nidus

[open coral]

..so there is a linguistic and historical cultural precedent for "prime" meaning the first of something.

[misty salmon]

sometimes it's worth making cheaper knockoff versions in mass production

[tall echo]

Oh how I hate headcanons...

[stiff fable]

Because of the whole "master" thing and Evangelion unit 00

[stiff fable]

no

[silk atlas]

Have you not heard the phrase "prime candidate" or similar

[tall echo]

You're gonna make me get a warning

[stiff fable]

It's a side effect of the recording process and doesn't apply outside of it, even linguistically

[open coral]

im not saying it means that its the correct assumption, just that its so obviously an assumption people will make

[stiff fable]

It's not a connotation of the word

[silk atlas]

It's like how people get tripped up at "Protoframe" constantly

[stiff fable]

Now THAT was a mistake on DE's part

[silk atlas]

Which that one I understand a bit more

[open coral]

youve never heard of the first of a line of things with the same name being called the "prime" of it?

[stiff fable]

No

[silk atlas]

No

[open coral]

there is a tropal precendent

[tall echo]

No

[stiff fable]

Because no one does that

[open coral]

oh wow really? no one?

[silk atlas]

Literally never heard someone call the first of something a "prime X" or whatever

[stiff fable]

No one

[glacial bough]

Tuo is right here, Prime can mean first and there's a history for it

[open coral]

well it does happen. recent example is in dispatch, where robert's grandfather is mecha man prime

its common in super hero media where a predecessor takes on the same name

[stiff fable]

That.... no

[glacial bough]

It's not the primary use, and shouldn't be the immediate read

[stiff fable]

The original Green Lantern is not Green Lantern Prime

Superboy Prime is not the original Superboy

[glacial bough]

Yes, it's not used in every case

[open coral]

obviously not in every case

[glacial bough]

it CAN be

[open coral]

there is a precedent tho

[tall echo]

99% of the time prime means best/superior not first

[stiff fable]

A one-off is not a precedent

[glacial bough]

It's not the case here and that would be reading into it

[stiff fable]

It's the OPPOSITE of a precedent

[glacial bough]

It's not a one-off

[stiff fable]

It's the exception

[open coral]

thats not a one-off dude, its a piece of media heavily based on other pieces of superhero media, its just the first example that came into my head

[glacial bough]

It's not the case here, but it's not wrong

[open coral]

you cant just plug your ears and ignore that it does exist

[stiff fable]

As I pointed out, in superhero media, MOST OF THE TIME a "Prime" version of the hero's name is not the original

[tall echo]

Just stop

[stiff fable]

Which means your example is the exception, not the precedent

[open coral]

semantic argument, doesnt matter

[stiff fable]

It does when you're trying to say it does matter

this is why you're getting dogpiled

[misty salmon]

prime can mean first, it can mean primary, it can mean best, these are all valid definitions of that word; There is also established lore in the game that contradicts the "first" definition being the one meant by prime warframes and gear.

[open coral]

yeah thanks

[tall echo]

Backpedalling won't make it better

Just. Stop. Please.

[silk atlas]

I'll be honestly I can't think of other superheroes with prime in their name besides Optimus Prime and clearly he's not the first either.

[open coral]

dude you just asked us to stop what do you want from me

[stiff fable]

Like I said, Superboy Prime. The alternate Superboy.

[silk atlas]

Yeah but that's all I can come up with

[tall echo]

He's a prime example of prime not usually meaning first

[glacial bough]

Transformers is actually an example of Prime meaning first

[tall echo]

Bruh

[stiff fable]

fam you're from SB you should know better

[glacial bough]

And I'm just arguing in the case of pure lingustics. It's not the right use case here, but it's not wrong

[open coral]

oh actually there is other examples of prime meaning first.

• primus, latin word that it comes from, literally means first
• a primer is a coating applied before painting, or the thing you learn first before getting into a topic
• to prime something is to get it ready, perform the first step, much like the word "primer"
• prime rate in banking is called that because it would be given to the first customers
• prime meridian is the first longitude

just from a cursory googling

[tall echo]

This is a collective waste of everyone's time

[open coral]

in fact, i would hazard to assume that, given "primus" means first, the word prime to mean the best of something comes from recordings

[stiff fable]

It does not

[open coral]

fair enough

i am gonna google that actually

because im honestly interested in where it came from otherwise

[stiff fable]

1600s English

[open coral]

oh its just latin being silly and having "first" and "highest" and "best" be interchangeable concepts

so whilst it would literally translate to "first", the word primus could also mean highest or greatest

[tall echo]

Well

-# Why is there no well emoji

[misty salmon]

:thering:

[tall echo]

Every time I need an emoji for a joke it doesn't exist

[open coral]

i mean english does this too tbh. first minister, first place, first-rate.

[tall echo]

"First minister"?

[open coral]

you should give all your money to discord so you can use your own emojis

[celest needle]

linguistic lore

[open coral]

head of government... also sometimes called a prime minister >->

[tall echo]

Yeah I hate the entire concept of subscriptions

[tall echo]

Who in the world calls it first minister

[open coral]

scotland

[misty salmon]

yeah, I've seen it used, in Canada the first ministers' meeting is a meeting of the premiers of the provinces, possibly with the federal prime minister as well.

[open coral]

also canada and norway

[lilac aspen]

Guess we need to rename baseline Lavos into Lavos Prime

And we need to rename Lavos Prime into Lavos Second

[open coral]

no, no
base lavos is lavos prime (lavos first)
lavos prime is also lavos prime (lavos best)

but also given that the lavos that primed himself was a sentient warframe, he probably was also the first lavos

[tall echo]

Lavos prime is also the first

[brittle siren]

Tell me that you hate Vauban without saying it out loud

[tall echo]

Canonically speaking only the first/leverian lavos actually had alchemy abilities

[open coral]

pshhh nooo, i love that stupid train-faced wananbe engineer

[open coral]

tell that to the actual alchemy im performing on the fly mid-mission

[brittle siren]

How about now

[tall echo]

With the copy of the og lavos you mean?

[open coral]

why is he in gucci

[brittle siren]

It's heirloom skin lmao, everyone is in Gucci

[lilac aspen]

Heirloom skins are Tenno looking at their frames and going

“Orokins ain’t got shit on the fit I’m about to make.”

[open coral]

yeah but hes wearing a stupid puffy coat 😭

[tall echo]

Gotta store the gadgets somewhere

[lilac aspen]

It’s to have more Balls Holding space, obviously

[brittle siren]

You can take it off

[lilac aspen]

Instead of holding the orbs on the outside

[open coral]

DE stated skins arent canon but im gonna ignore that because the idea of there being some tenno out there fiddling with helminth to make the coolest shaped warframes is just funny

[humble sierra]

Some skins definitely are canon/based in lore

[open coral]

yeah for sure but they're mostly secondary canon

[tall echo]

The idea of some tenno out there making ember and valkyr heirloom disturbs me

[humble sierra]

Valkyr's Gersemi skin, Hydroid and Sevagoth's deluxe skins, Yareli Pandea

[open coral]

i know of valkyr, whats the lore behind the rest

[humble sierra]

Hydroid and Sevagoth's skins have beef, Yareli Pandea was discovered and restored by Hunhow some time before Jade Shadows

[tall echo]

Hydroid and seva deluxe are dubious canon, yareli's was created when hunhow revived a dead yareli

[humble sierra]

Yeah it's not canon if the Hydroid and Sevagoth skins are canon to Warframe's lore but they're canon to each other

[open coral]

the idea of hunhow finding a dead child floating through space and deciding to fix her is genuinely hilarious

[lilac aspen]

Canon in the sense there was probably a Hydroid and a Sevagoth that had beef over who got an Argon Crystal and then people built from there

[humble sierra]

Depths of Uranus' oceans actually

[tall echo]

He was already stuck in uranus at that time

[lilac aspen]

He is a Father himself

[open coral]

ah, im not sure which is funnier

[lilac aspen]

Parental instincts go brrrrrrr

[open coral]

someone dumped a yareli into the ocean lol

[lilac aspen]

Them Batman senses kicked in
“A parentless child? Sidekick time.”

[humble sierra]

She likely lost a battle (common pre-Prime Yareli L)

[tall echo]

My intense annoyance at the preceding discussion has been completely nullified by talking about hunhow's resting place

[tall echo]

Someone killed yareli over an ocean*

[open coral]

its weirdly common in-lore for tenno to just abandon frames if they die. like do you just go to the store and buy a new one

[lilac aspen]

Welcome to Warframe
We can somehow go from Lore to different Lore because there’s more lore for your lore

Speaking of
Do we have Lore for why the Mushrooms might have more Cake than Wisp

[humble sierra]

I wonder how much of Yareli Pandea's appearance Hunhow had involvement in, or if she just looked like that to start with— which picks up an interesting question about whether the Orokin designed Warframes to have different skins

[stiff fable]

mushrooms are tasty and edible and that's all I got

[tall echo]

They don't and it's bc they gotta jump high

[tall echo]

It's not tho

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-toy-story-i-dont-wanna-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-no-more-play-gif-26906930

There's just a whole bunch of Warframes stuck in the sand on Tau

Considering that Hunhullus fight was just a play fight as far as I'm concerned that whole area is just a sandpit at a playground

[lilac aspen]

You see

While Wisp appears to have a more cake, she also has a larger body
The Mushrooms have a large cake and a small body

Therefore they surely have more cake.

[open coral]

i mean they are literally children

[lilac aspen]

Soldier Children

[open coral]

ah, magic child soldjers

[tall echo]

Nah

[lilac aspen]

I’m more concerned both know how to kill as Children

[open coral]

my favourite

[humble sierra]

Anyways what's the leading theory on that keyart at the end of the Devstream with the 6 Prime Warframes?

Ash, Protea, Caliban, Volt, Ember and one other?

[tall echo]

Soldier children

[humble sierra]

My guess is if we're Excalibur, they're other Tenno we'll meet

[celest needle]

Probably frames we're going to see in action

[lilac aspen]

We have the bio robot adaptive child and the Void-Lugging Child

[tall echo]

Old, idk, relevant, old, old

[celest needle]

oooooh
I hope we get to see the other children from TNW

[open coral]

thats your concern? we're talking about the orokin empire and you're concerned about children being murderers?

[tall echo]

No no, not murderers, soldiers and assassins

[open coral]

idk if you know this but there's one particular scenario that might be worse for a child in the orokin era /j

[lilac aspen]

Yes
Because our Golden Gods do nothing wrong

[tall echo]

The difference is motivation and the target's abily to fight back

Abily

Time to sleep

[open coral]

also why has no orokin tried to yuvan a tenno until worm did it?

[tall echo]

Tuvul

[humble sierra]

Ngl it'd be sick if there was a Yuvan who poisoned themselves right before the ceremony to kill off the Orokin trying to take over their body

[lilac aspen]

Bruh
Devil Frame’s skin swap is funny to me because bro smirks when he sticks the landing

Bro might be cursed to become a warframe but he’s gonna enjoy beating the shit out of people

[tall echo]

Visit voruna's leverian

[open coral]

he only did it to escape an assassination attempt. i mean during the height of the era, when the average tenno would do whatever an executor asked

[tall echo]

Also worm is the small one, the elder tried continuitying into our tenno

[open coral]

ah

whats her name?

[tall echo]

Waste of a soldier

[tall echo]

Elder queen

[open coral]

thats... a stupid name

[lilac aspen]

No one knows her actual name

She’s just known as the elder queen of the twin queens

[tall echo]

It's extra funny bc they're twins

Meaning she's a few minutes older at most

[open coral]

imagine there actually is an orokin who successfully continued into a tenno and theyve just been hiding out for eons

[lilac aspen]

“I was born 5 seconds before you.”

[tall echo]

[open coral]

accurate sibling behaviour

why do the twin queens continue into grineer anyway

cant they just kidnap ostron children

[tall echo]

Easy supply

[tall echo]

Risks a very angry tenno showing up

[open coral]

yeah but elder goes straight from grineer to deciding to be a tenno, like youd think thered be an intermediary step or two

not even a corpus

[tall echo]

They were constantly searching for tenno

The easiest and most reliable supply is to use grineer

[open coral]

has anyone tried continuing into a warframe? would that be a terrible idea?

[tall echo]

The grineer accepted the twins as their queens after the orokin cast them out for being twins, might as well capitalize on it

[stiff fable]

That's literally what Rell did with Harrow

[open coral]

true, tho with less kuva and more direct void shenanigans

yeah i know kuva supposedly comes from the void

[tall echo]

It don't directly

It has void-derived properties

[tall echo]

Also the queens technically

[stiff fable]

eh close enough for government work

[open coral]

it definitely has some direct void connection, given that drinking it makes funny mc-wallman say hi

wait does that happen if you pour it out?

[tall echo]

Only bc we already had a piece of him

[tall echo]

Yes

[lilac aspen]

Wally talks through you regardless of the three choices

[open coral]

still very disappointed that absolutely none of the choices we make have had any impact on the future story so far

[tall echo]

It's bc DE doesn't want to lock ppl out of content

[lilac aspen]

Who knows
Maybe DE is secretly observing each of our choices and go through the story based on it

[open coral]

you could always go back and redo old quests

[tall echo]

Doesn't change the dial

[lilac aspen]

Clearly final Boss ending is based on how our dial is

[open coral]

what traits does the dial even track? some options seem really completely dissimilar to other options on the same side

[lilac aspen]

Yin and yang basically

[tall echo]

It's 1am and I gotta be up at 8 at the latest so I'm out bye

[lilac aspen]

Bye Scrap

[tall echo]

"Three are the principles,
three the weaving ways.

Cool water flows,
the moon behind a cloud;
To the receptive mind
All things come in time.

Sun at mid-heaven,
Sovereign above all;
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting.

Between sun and moon
Unfolds a winding path;
Not by one Way alone
Is Mastery achieved.

Let me explain, Child. The words I speak to you have purpose. The choices you've been forced to make have not attuned you to 'good' nor 'evil', but to older, less subjective principles. You must find comfort in your choices, for your enemies will provide you none. The road ahead will be one that requires more choices of you, Child. Be ready."

[open coral]

byee

https://tenor.com/view/yoyo-white-cat-tiktok-silly-cat-car-gif-5886769307141897158

[tall echo]

Sun is action without thought, moon is calculated choices

[open coral]

well that's not vague at all thanks

[tall echo]

Now I'm out

[open coral]

left brain vs right brain

[celest needle]

Why didn't narmer just produce Kuva Liches and put a veil on them

[lilac aspen]

Sun and Moon
Sun is “emotional”
Moon is “logical”

Both are neither bad or good

[open coral]

oh that is yin yang isnt it

yeah ok fair i see it now

[digital echo]

are they stupid?

[open coral]

narmer adversaries but they're just one of the other two adversaries with a veil

[digital echo]

(discord glitching out on me for a sec lmao)

[ashen pulsar]

Cuz that’s a lot of content to add and apparently we’re forgetting about narmer and going to tau anyways now

[lilac aspen]

Basically the dial represents part of your character’s personality

Are they a calculating person who uses their thoughts for their choices?
Are they one who makes decisions at the spur of the moment based on feelings?
Or are they a balance, using both their heart and mind to come to a solution

[ashen pulsar]

We really do need more information on the current state of narmer

[open coral]

i just realised- narmer is just not gonna appear again at all is it

[lilac aspen]

They sure are

[celest needle]

Like
The veils seemingly already use Kuva
They had access to ton of Grineer

[ashen pulsar]

I seriously hope it does bro why are we yapping about tau and going to the past when we ain’t done here

[celest needle]

And also control of most of the star chart

Even Uranus where Tyr Regor has his labs

[digital echo]

they might have plot relevance for the plan on how to get to Tau but thatll probably be it

[lilac aspen]

Because it seems only the Worm Queen only knows how to make Kuva Liches, which requires specific Grineer who have also gotten shanked by a warframe

[open coral]

the current state is that uh some guy we dont know piloting the corpse of a different guy no one heard of until right before new war sorta took it over and also theyre completely ignorable for all important story elements

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah

[lilac aspen]

Considering Narmer basically won at the time, they had no need to make Kuva Liches

[open coral]

didnt they own the solar system? just veil the worm queen and make her do it

[lilac aspen]

Not to mention them having taken down warframes enough to make Archons out of their corpse

Which were more than enough

[celest needle]

They had to have SOME contingency just in case some things goes wrong, Ballas is not that stupid

[ashen pulsar]

Archons

[lilac aspen]

Like
Daily reminder it took what was basically the Main Character to return to beat the Archons

[open coral]

thats true, archons are definitely hella stronger than liches

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah

[stiff fable]

Main character AND paradoxical cheating

[lilac aspen]

Archons are Liches but even more immortal and stronger

Liches can die to a shank with specific words on it.
Archons can only die if you tear out of the shard, otherwise they will continue to get up

[open coral]

ok but seriously what happened to all the other tenno?? did ballas kill them, too? did the drifter also somehow summon them all back from hell? how and when did they return?

[stiff fable]

The Tenno can't destroy a faction outright

Once all the factions teamed up, the Tenno pulled out

[lilac aspen]

Yeah that

[celest needle]

Speaking of Archons

why didn't Erra just
use fused archon shards

[ashen pulsar]

We are the only useful Tenno atm basically

[open coral]

cowards

[brave elm]

Can anyone help me how do I leave a clan

[ashen pulsar]

He wasn’t high enough standing with the cavia

[open coral]

wrong channel my friend #1197322290166251680

[stiff fable]

Pazuul has an orange shard

[lilac aspen]

Imagine trying to fight a unified solar system that are also using the technology of the one race that gave you a hard time for once in history

[stiff fable]

Like, reminder, the difference between Steel Path and normal?

[ashen pulsar]

This is true but I was joking

[stiff fable]

Teshin calls ahead to let them know we're coming

[stiff fable]

OOPS

mb lol

[open coral]

does that mean theres secretly 2 more sentient beasts with a purple and green shard respectively /j

[stiff fable]

[lilac aspen]

New boss
Chroma archon with all the archon shards

[stiff fable]

White archon shard

Prisma Archon

[open coral]

pazuul: NO! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO OBEY ME!
the 6 archon shards:

[stiff fable]

oh my god

Archon power rangers

[ashen pulsar]

In 2732 when we finally return to narmer we’ll see a full spectrum of shards that have different stats depending on the hex code they are

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

And narmer will finally have cool stuff

[open coral]

were gonna get more narmer content right after the third orb mother is introduced

[brave elm]

🖖🏿💯💪🏿💪🏿

[lilac aspen]

Warframe but they’re made of Archon shards

[ashen pulsar]

Warframe but they eat the archon shards

[lilac aspen]

I want a warframe that is Narmer based and their four abilities are like
Based on the four current animal god things

[misty salmon]

... because we need a second riven system...

[lilac aspen]

Whatever the Sentients called them

[open coral]

actually given that theres a narmer drone floating around, i wouldnt be surprised if (in 3473 when they actually remember it exists) the third orb mother is a narmer fight

[celest needle]

Narmer is actually so interesting tho

[lilac aspen]

We might see them at some point again
Dunno

[open coral]

the ultimate failing of warframe is that DE is too adhd to commit to one concept long enough to actually implement the cool stuff

[lilac aspen]

Because currently the Archons are still alive and plotting

Since the Ram one is still alive reviving the other three whenever we do kill them

Mfer has them bag of Archon Shards and isn’t sharing

[open coral]

where is he getting all these shards from? every time we kill these losers he sneaks in and shoves another rock in their neck to revive them

[lilac aspen]

Man knows the secret to making anti-entropy shards and is refusing to let us know

[open coral]

why dont we just throw their corpses into the sun so he cant bring them back

[lilac aspen]

Narmer would probably mob the ship trying to carry the body to the sun

[stiff fable]

I mean, archon "shards" are pieces of a sentient, right?

Sentients are really freaking big

[lilac aspen]

Or worse
Pazuul and the other two Archons head there

[open coral]

oh yeah, narmer, the cult who has more than enough firepower to stop a railjack from launching a dead warframe directly into the sun

[lilac aspen]

Nay
The shards are not Sentients themself

[lilac aspen]

Again
Imagine an actual entire army

[open coral]

🤷‍♂️ bring more railjacks

[ocean geyser]

Archons

[open coral]

there is a lot of tenno and not a lot of narmer

[lilac aspen]

Then there’s the other fact
Archons

[ocean geyser]

I wonder where they keep getting the prime warframes to graft archon heads onto

[stiff fable]

Correct, they're parts of an archon, used to embody that archon

[open coral]

thats true, the other two would join the party.

boss rush :)

[lilac aspen]

Remember
Gameplay wise they seem weak as heck with our builds but lore wise they’re warframes with infinite health hacks and sentient modifications

[stiff fable]

The archons weren't always shards

The Sentient Beasts were major figures on Tau

[celest needle]

He is taking the body that we kill and reimplanting the archon shard

[ocean geyser]

I think the Archons aren’t exactly pleased about being Archons

[stiff fable]

Yep

[open coral]

idk pazuul seems pretty happy about it

[lilac aspen]

They’re not happy being grafted onto warframes

[lilac aspen]

Well yeah
Because he’s puppeting the body of one of people who grafted the other three onto warframes

And said person who also willingly worked with an Orokin

[open coral]

wait do you think the sentient beasts will appear in old peace? they are literally described as peacekeepers

[ocean geyser]

And considering he’s shoved his head onto the body of another sentient i imagine he would be pretty comfortable

[lilac aspen]

Yeah, the body in question also isn’t Warframe at all but entirely a sentient

[lilac aspen]

Probably
Maybe Old Peace might show what happened to them

And why they are definitely not happy people

[open coral]

pazuul does already tell us a lot about why they hate each other so much

he kinda just constantly yaps during the mission

hes like corrupted vor but less cool

[lilac aspen]

He’s cooler though
Because he does what we do after hearing Space Mom YAP THE SAME THING IN OUR EARS EVERYTIME WE COMPLETE SOMETHING AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[open coral]

ok but does he have a void key? i think not

wait actually why the hell does a key keep vor alive?

isnt it just a car key for a random ass orokin mechanism

[lilac aspen]

”Objective achieved. Well done”

[lilac aspen]

You mean
The JANUS KEY?

[lilac aspen]

Something something Void

[open coral]

ok but imagine if you drove your car into the ocean and suddenly your car keys grant the strength of mighty posiden

[ocean geyser]

They also gain the ability to shoot lasers

[open coral]

yeah that too

[brittle siren]

Hmmmmm

[ashen pulsar]

Don’t disturb his research

[silent tundra]

The cold and warm cycles confuse me, and the time in between them seems very short. Is there an explanation for that?

[brittle siren]

I mean the donda

[stiff fable]

On Fortuna?

[silent tundra]

Yeah

[stiff fable]

It's just Orokin tech stuff

[brittle siren]

There is a machine above Venus doing that

[stiff fable]

The Solaris want to defrost the Vallis to live on

The Corpus want Fortuna frozen further so they can extract coolant

Since the Corpus run Venus, the Corpus keep the heat cycles very short

[brittle siren]

Also, it only affects one area, a very big area

Venus's other part is not explored

[silent tundra]

Ah but the orokin original made the set up to cool down the place since it’s unbearably hot right?

Not like as cold as the corpus have it now but

Colder than scalding

[open coral]

holy shit is that an odonta

HARROW PROTOFRAME IS AUTISTIC CONFIRMED /j

[ocean geyser]

To be fair, Venus is warmer Post-Narmer

[stiff fable]

Yes correct

it should be boiling

[ocean geyser]

Cold, the air and water flowing, eh?

[silent tundra]

Lollllll

[open coral]

hard, the land they called their home

[silent tundra]

Push to keep the dark from coming…

[ocean geyser]

Feeeeel the weight of what they owe…

[ocean geyser]

Why am i strangely intrigued by this Garuda x Protea thing you’ve been cooking up

[open coral]

man we all lift together really was the catalyst for some amazing songs in this game

[ocean geyser]

Factual

[silent tundra]

Oh dude…. I have a whole fanfiction going

[open coral]

ever since that first one, there had not been a single lyriced song in warframe that isnt a banger

[open coral]

is it actually garuda and protea or two tenno?

[silent tundra]

And a ton of art too

[silent tundra]

Actual

I’ve got a ton of hc tho so

It’s sort of different and the Warframe’s have their own personality

[open coral]

honestly bummer, theres not enough stories about individual tenno

canon lore or fan works

i crave that red v blue type storyline

[silent tundra]

Most of the fanfics I’ve read are like that actually

[ocean geyser]

I guess that sorta applies to Warframes themselves too?
People love their characterization but there isn’t quite enough to work with in game, so they make their own

[silent tundra]

I’ve seen a particularly good one with Garuda included but I don’t remember it

[open coral]

ill tell ypu what ive genuinely not seen many if not any warframe fanfics

[silent tundra]

YUUPPPPP

[silent tundra]

I’ve been digging man

[open coral]

i guess its not a particularly ao3-flavoured community

[silent tundra]

Ao3 my beloved

I be pushing out these chapters so the community doesn’t starve

Tho honestly I’m the only one reading them

[open coral]

from my experience the warframe community prefers to stare at wisps ass for hours on end whilst farming plastids

[silent tundra]

True

[proper barn]

no hey

now we have kim.

[open coral]

and a wisp protoframe?

[proper barn]

the kim is so good chat.

i meant before that.

[silent tundra]

I’ve got a whole big folder for all my Protea characterization and Garuda characterization

[open coral]

the protoframe thats specifically been made dateable despite they said anyone after the original 6 wouldn't be?

[proper barn]

eh idk if that was

a hard and fast rule.

[open coral]

still absolutely insane that loki is STILL missing from the protocast

[proper barn]

i mean

he would need like SO MUCH

[silent tundra]

I can send you the link if you’d like, the writings not the best but… 👀

[proper barn]

like if a protoframe isn't playable they don't wanna make one of them.

and Tuopi loki isn't playable realy.

he's like one of 3 warframes well 4 i guess.

warframes that just don't work.

[glacial bough]

You say that when Frost got a Proto

[proper barn]

FROST IS GOOD

HE GOT BASICLLY A REWORK.

[glacial bough]

Frost is nearly in the same boat Loki is is

[ocean geyser]

I shall join

[glacial bough]

The Frost status change gives him a leg up

[proper barn]

no not at all.

he can make overguard

[open coral]

then do a loki rework alongside the update ;-; please i need this

[proper barn]

he can defense a point.

his has actual ways to increase his damage now.

he has a Arcane that is for him.

[glacial bough]

A low amount of overgaurd on a mod is not a point in his favor

[proper barn]

Frost has many fine uses and 3 good abilites. @glacial bough also the overguard stuff is is also good.

lso it's not a low amount

[open coral]

loki, rhino, ember and ash are the 4 frames from the vanilla cast that haven't been protod yet and honestly they deserve it more than bloody harrow

[proper barn]

okay wait a second

where where is all this harrow hate from?

[open coral]

also make ash proto canonically transmasc because ash changed gender mid development

[glacial bough]

Age has no bearing on worthiness to be proto'd

[open coral]

idk rhino at least has been on the games thumbnail art for forever, hes pretty much synonymous with the game for me

this image has greeted me every day for 7 years

[glacial bough]

Excal is the only frame you can really make that kind of argument for

[celest needle]

Hold up

How did an Donda get into there

Better yet

HOW DOES IT CONNECT HIM WITH RELL

[open coral]

wait i realised its called a donda

[stiff fable]

lol

[open coral]

odanta is the archwing

[celest needle]

But still

How can he connect with our Rell

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

And did Entrati bring an Donda back with him

[open coral]

not sure

the donda is basically a fidget spinner

rell used it to concentrate

[ashen pulsar]

But knowing harrow’s connection to rell there’s probably a deeper meaning

[open coral]

oh for sure

these guys also come packaged with the old peace so theres definitely a story parallel if not a direct connection

theres gotta be some shit going down to do with our favourite wall of bone

[silk atlas]

I think it'd be really funny if Lyon was like "yeah this weird thing spun every so often [because Rell was using it] but then it just stopped doing that [Because we help Rell's soul rest]"

[open coral]

but they're not in modern times

they're at some unspecified point in history ending in 99

for all we know it might not even be a gregorian year

[silk atlas]

Nah my idea was that it spun regardless of it being in a different time and Lyon was just completely perplexed why

[open coral]

something something eternalism,,,

[silk atlas]

No because it's the same timeline

[open coral]

also speaking of timelines
(spoiler for kayas story)
||when she ends up in the relay she says "but you already knew that, right? i was here before you even left" but she isnt???? she only appears in the relay after you finish her quest line?????||

||she also says "It's no Larunda Relay, but it's home" in 1999 before shes actually learned to time travel||

[ocean geyser]

I’ve realized that not a lot of people know how to spell Odonata

[brittle siren]

Iirc she only said this after you met her there though

[open coral]

yeah but like shes straight up wrong 😭 its this emotional moment but shes invisible if katafuturesuccess is false

[brittle siren]

Also since she is from Earth, when time-traveling, she would be in the middle of nowhere on Earth. And by the time she was gone in 1999, she was already at the relay (since she needed to hitchhike to Mercury)

[open coral]

wouldnt be difficult to convince a tenno to taxi her to mercury. newbs do it all the time

[brittle siren]

I don't think Nova can portal that far, so she needs to go on Iron Wake ships

[ocean geyser]

I wonder what she thinks of the future

[brittle siren]

Except, she would look like a human to other Tenno

[brittle siren]

She love it

[ocean geyser]

Imagine how confused another Tenno would be upon realizing they can transfer into her

[brittle siren]

Also the Tenno ship is 1 seat

[ocean geyser]

Should be fine as long as we don’t do our loading screen barrel rolls lmao

[brittle siren]

Unless they use the tech that uses to capture ppl but I don't think Kaya wants to do that

[open coral]

why would a tenno try that? you see a warframe walking around you assume its owned, thats like throwing a pokeball at a trainer's pokemon. not cool.

oh you said can

[ocean geyser]

I’m just saying in the event it somehow happens

[open coral]

tenno can transfer into most anyone

frame or not

[ocean geyser]

Why didn’t we do that to Ballas then smh

[open coral]

its just hella rude (and you get kicked out) to do it to a consious human without consent

[ocean geyser]

Fair

[brittle siren]

The thing is, protoframes are much harder to transfer into, and like in gameplay, you can't transfer to other ppl frames. So in a way, Protoframe let our Drifter transfer in

[ocean geyser]

Yeah true

[brittle siren]

I don't think even our OP could do that on protoframe

[open coral]

you definitely need consent from the protos. arthur is able to literally expel the drifter during the quest

[brittle siren]

Only Drifter can

[brittle siren]

Yeap

But the fact you can't do transference in other ppl frames is also true, it's like bluetooth, where only the registered device can access it

[open coral]

thats probably something the transferrence bolt does

[brittle siren]

Yeah

[open coral]

the game mentions a "transferrence bolt" a few times but given the op/drift can transfer into random shit it really doesnt do what you assume it does

[brittle siren]

Btw can we transfer into other ppl Necramech? I don't remember

[open coral]

i have to assume it lets you remote control the frames (like ballas does) and overrides their consent for transferrence

[open coral]

unowned mechs, yeah, other players no

probably gameplay

[brittle siren]

Yeah so it the same thing too

[open coral]

you can get lent mechs through certain quests so i think that one is just gameplay

[brittle siren]

Btw it interesting that, although Jade could act on herself, she did not try to push that Tenno out of her like Umbra did

[ocean geyser]

Sometimes I wonder if Necramechs are alive
Like they talk and are for some reason made with bone

[ocean geyser]

I think she appreciated the help

[brittle siren]

either she couldn't or she don't want to harm that child

[ocean geyser]

Co-op birthing is crazy

[open coral]

i mean shes probably dealt with tenno before, being a frame? umbra is just a particularly Not Calm Individual™

[brittle siren]

Ah no I mean when the Old War still happen, not when she gave birth

[ocean geyser]

Oh