lore-discussion

[safe kettle]

Idk if this was already answered but I have a question about On-Lyne. Specifically their names, as they all reference technology
However, I wonder what Zeke is a reference to

[ocean geyser]

Oh man

These ones are getting a really nice look at a wall rn

[twin wigeon]

Zeke is a reference to Zeke (there isn’t a reference for him i think bc he’s the frontman)

[safe kettle]

Oh ty ty

[hexed oxide]

it's a reference to his beats being sick

[old dome]

warframe is a survival horror game disguised as a space scifi ninja game.

[stiff fable]

Warframe is Doom 2012

The only thing they fear is us

[tall echo]

It's a survival horror for the grineer and corpus

[ocean geyser]

Chains of Harrow was kind of spooky at least

[tall echo]

Eh

Hard to be afraid when you're a super powerful murder robot

[restive river]

Not eh
It was fairly spooky

[tall echo]

Yes eh

Possibly even meh

[restive river]

If you’re a newer player that’s not as prepared, it’s spooky, even scary

[tall echo]

Skeltns?

[restive river]

Not everyone experience is the same :p

[restive river]

If you bring xaku, yes

[tall echo]

True, tbf I found one of the two vtubers I watch consistently bc they were doing the quest and being absolutely terrified

Schadenfreude is a german word for a reason I suppose

[pallid spoke]

As someone who does bad with horror in general: Chains of Harrow is not scary.

Maybe a little bit on your first playthrough but.

[tall echo]

Same

Even barely scary places like the dunwich locations in fallout make me just want to nope out of the game entirely

[restive river]

Well yeah on the first playthrough :p

Horror works best the less you know

[pallid spoke]

Even on my first playthough it never really bothered me.

[restive river]

Fear is not like
Binary either, it’s different for everyone

[pallid spoke]

There was a feeling of unease, but it never made me actually scared.

[restive river]

Unease is a good way to put the vibe

[tall echo]

I was at most feeling lost sometimes

[restive river]

I think it partially depends on when you played and how early you played
Also your own tolerance and experiences with fear

[tall echo]

A bit annoyed bc I had no amp yet during the final "fight", and some curiosity bc I related to rell a bit

[pallid spoke]

I can handle unease, it's jumpscares that get me good. And Chains of Harrow doesn't have much I'd consider to be true jumpscares.

[restive river]

Oh for sure

In terms of jumpscares Warframe does it best with Wally

Meanwhile Lizzie with a
Very weak scare

[tall echo]

I don't think anything in this game has properly scared me yet

[tall echo]

The sound effect definitely doesn't help

[restive river]

It really doesn’t

[pallid spoke]

I never got the Flare & Lizzie jumpscare, so I can't comment on it.

[restive river]

I just watched it

[tall echo]

Me neither, had to look it up

[restive river]

Cause i aced them lol

Which maybe that’s why, we knew it was coming

But the sound is
Really bad

[tall echo]

I'm too good at pretending to understand communicating to fail the convos

[restive river]

Or maybe you do understand

[tall echo]

Definitely don't

[pallid spoke]

Sound jumpscares are what get me the worst so...

[tall echo]

It's. Extremely silly

[restive river]

It’s bad as in very weak

It’s not scary
At all

[pallid spoke]

Oh.

[restive river]

Oh yeah there’s the margulis “jumpscare”

[tall echo]

But thas not in game yet so it no count

[restive river]

https://youtu.be/HTWa40OTGps?si=VMAJ3MswPVpeZWHF

[tall echo]

Will it even be in game

[restive river]

It also goes too fast

[restive river]

Probably

[tall echo]

Yea

Jumpscares need to linger a bit to work

[restive river]

Oh
What If that jumpscare just represents us unlocking the memories??

[tall echo]

Especially visual shock value jumpscares

[restive river]

Since Margulis is the one who repressed them initially? So same tech??

Idk I’m reaching :p

[tall echo]

Probably literally exactly same tech just going backwards

[restive river]

The Orokin or the Lotus implementing the same system that Margulis made

[tall echo]

Guessing marge's system is just designed to lock traumatic memories so it went for the other ones even after she died

[restive river]

Depends on if it’s automatic

[old dome]

at first. but then you hear it for the 362462626th time & its like "shut up wally im busy crafting."

[proper barn]

It's seeing him

And where he Is.

Cuz he can be in really werid places.

[woven coyote]

Remember the transference debug dialogue that teases the second dream
"Margulis implatation intact"

[brittle siren]

So is the next devstream about Old Peace?

[mighty birch]

Was gobsmacked by Duviri, felt like god of war quality

[humble sierra]

The Devstream in 10-ish hours will be about the Devil's Triad specifically, I believe. Maybe a look at Uriel's kit.

I'm guessing it'll start by going over the QTCC stuff, some other house keeping, show off Gyre Prime, then show off all the new stuff

[austere moon]

I still don't get how Ballas manipulated Lotus so easily

[twin wigeon]

i think its because Lotus mimicked margulis for so long that she kinda forgot who she was

erra i think says something about the tenno brainwashing her into becoming a mother figure to them

making her act as if the tenno were her children

[pale cedar]

Erra is also stupid and it was Ballas who actually did that

He’s a gaslighter

[humble sierra]

I think there should've been something to hint Ballas used some sort of other form of coercion to lure her

Maybe suddenly some red smoke appears, like a prototype for the Narmer veil gas

[heady quest]

wasn't Natah literally reprogrammed (essentially tortured in her POV) so that the Orokin could control her?

[pale cedar]

“THE LOTUS is known to be a former SENTIENT previously named NATAH. She was captured and converted to her current state during the Old War by EXECUTOR BALLAS, a high-ranking Orokin”

[heady quest]

yeah so Ballas could have set up either programmed control or mental controls over the Lotus

[lapis fiber]

What if I finished Deimos but skipped all the story and now I just came back what do I do should I just skip rest of story or is it good

[pale cedar]

Skipping story bad idea story is good

[lapis fiber]

Ok should I restart then

[pale cedar]

You can replay most quests

Don't need to restart

[mighty birch]

From the codex you can go to completed quests at the bottom of the quest page and click replay

[narrow pendant]

could be her lotus form being still strongly influenced by her margulis form who was in a relationship with ballas

so if her margulis form was so strong it got her to protect the tenno and defect from her own people, those feelings for ballas probably were able to influence her too

[narrow pendant]

alternatively you can watch lore videos if you dont feel like replaying

gives you more info on stuff that people might not pick up from playing themselves

or do both!

[silent tundra]

Any ticker fans got some info for me?

Wondering how she would interact and act with certain people

[opaque zenith]

Didn't understand very well but here: https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Ticker

[unique talon]

According to the lore

Would be possible to create a Warframe in real life?

[ocean geyser]

You’d need an irl helminth

[digital grail]

according to the lore itd kill you

[ocean geyser]

Which would require the Infestation, or at least the Techrot
Neither of which would be real
Both of which would be something we’d want to eradicate instead of use

[digital grail]

Nah some company would sell that stuff no doubt

[unique talon]

Bio weapons under my command

[ocean geyser]

“Don’t create the Torment Nexus” type shit

[unique talon]

We technically have lifeforms almost related to the infestation, fungus or even the blob

[digital grail]

Like if you look at our world and how screwed it is someone would 100% market and sell the infestation

[ocean geyser]

And then we’d have a Höllvania moment immediately

[digital grail]

Yup

[unique talon]

They would either be an excellent food resource

And new bio technologies

[ocean geyser]

If you were a Kavat at least

[unique talon]

Like scorn

[opaque zenith]

A warframe need:
-Human (Optionally "willing")
-Technovirus
-Stable access to another dimension (Optionally "alive")
-Advanced bioengineering tech
-Children (preferably traumatized)
-Salt to taste

I would say... No

[unique talon]

Ah c'mon

How cool would that be

I would feel like ironman but better

[mystic lynx]

No you won't

The whole thing of becoming a wf is losing oneself

[strange plinth]

there's a reason there's so few sapient warframes

[silk atlas]

Are you forgetting the constant agony the Hex are under even without being fully transformed

[pale cedar]

Therapy

[digital grail]

Id rather you didn't war the frame

[silk atlas]

"Yeah, I just feel like no one understands the struggles of being a metal flesh golem that can just freeze people with a wave of my hand."

[merry hawk]

Happy Halloween, Tenno
https://youtu.be/in9y03iaR3I? watch with headphones.

[ocean geyser]

Make your therapist a protoframe

[unique talon]

Just think about it

How many wars would be solved by a single warframe? Like Mesa

[strange plinth]

saying that like the warframes weren't created for that exact purpose and Went Wrong

[mystic lynx]

Fun fact
The machine gun was created in hope of reducing casualty in wars
Look at what happened now

[unique talon]

It's different

[mystic lynx]

A weapon to end war will always be a weapon to escalate war

[unique talon]

Even though

They would be useful in Brazil to wipe out the factions

[proper barn]

No

[silk atlas]

No it's not

Just... No

[north jolt]

Wars aren't necessarily "solved" by who has the highest body count or who creates the most new entries in the Geneva convention

[silk atlas]

Because everyone is going to have a full army of those rather than just making one or two.

See:literally every military advancement in human history you can't be this ignorant

[unique talon]

Of course I can

[silk atlas]

Well at least you own up to it

[unique talon]

Never doubt of engineering capabilities

It is not evil science

It is progress

[silk atlas]

Okay now you're just blabbering

[strange plinth]

yea this does not seem worth continuing

[unique talon]

Indeed, also

The void language.. how this can be translated?

Never understood what the man in the wall said

[silk atlas]

By DE giving us words that are translated. We don't know the context of many of the stuff we get so we jsut have the songs with translations to work with

[proper barn]

No it is.

[strange plinth]

context clues or Literally Given The Translation
Oull being infinite possibilities, Voull is implied to either be a question or limit possibilities

[unique talon]

Perhaps there are more void words than the ones we know

[silk atlas]

There are. Theres the ones from the songs on Bandcamp

[unique talon]

Bandcamp?

[silk atlas]

Music platform

[twin wigeon]

Mara Lohk

[strange plinth]

"What on earth is a "Mara Lohk"?" -Eleanor

[fast dew]

Well, Lohk is known but Mara isnt

Mara is just the internal name for the operator sometimes, and a placeholder in scripts

[strange plinth]

yup
imo we have a fairly good guess in the form of "child" but its not confirmed

[fast dew]

Child... void? Like child of void?

Hollow knight reference/j

[strange plinth]

yea lmao

[fast dew]

Makes sense tbh

[celest needle]

Lore….
So much lore….

[high vigil]

nova ⏩ rhino

[heady quest]

this was a crazy devstream

[celest needle]

Narmer’s back in some form
Albrecht’s exile
What the heck is up with Kullevero
The Descendia

Going to be eating with this until December

[dire mountain]

I would not say narmer is back

There was a cerberus deacon however

[celest needle]

This means we might get an actual answer to what Deacons are

[pale cedar]

Didn't we already know what a deacon was?

[celest needle]

?

[raven urchin]

So, can we totally theorize that vikings, american natives, or even cavemen are totally in the possibilities for protoframes and time travel to their times?

[dire mountain]

Dinosaur warframe when

[raven urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/dragonzord-power-rangers-fight-battle-gif-15985075

[celest needle]

Chroma take it or leave it

[pale cedar]

Ballas' gatekeeping dino frame

[dire mountain]

Give me a dinosaur warframe and my oro is yours

[pale cedar]

You ain't gone none to give

[celest needle]

What do you mean by that

[celest needle]

Could Roathe be connected to Kullevero

[tall echo]

No

[celest needle]

So
We have an Orokin tower
With Narmer Deacons
In the past

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068639836388458496/1252990706700521614/3x_10-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

Either nothing explained or everything

[humble sierra]

Imagine if XX99 is 4399 or something

Hell, what if it's actually in the FUTURE of the Origin System and "Can the Orokin ever be forgiven" is literally "Yo Roathe can you check if historians ignored their evil doings?"

[heavy bay]

Do we know if it'll be the Operator that can romance the Devil's Triad. Or will it be the Operator?

[normal mountain]

It'll almost certainly be the Drifter
Not only because of Operator is child, but because iirc Lyon and Marie were confirmed part of the KIM chat system

[heavy bay]

Ah, alright

[humble sierra]

The Devil's Triad stuff is all Drifter-only, presumably

When they entered the new navigation menu it automatically chose Drifter when hovering over the Descendia gamemode

[tall echo]

Drifter, the operator is a child.

[stiff fable]

And we're not going full Evangelion in THAT way

[lapis fiber]

Just came back to the game and in steel path but I forgot all of the story what do I do

[stiff fable]

Replay Second Dream, Deadlock Protocol, War Within, The Sacrifice, New War, Duviri Paradox, Whispers in the Walls and The Hex in that order

[mystic lynx]

Missing sacrifice there

[lapis fiber]

Oh wait we can replay things

[stiff fable]

Oop my bad

[mystic lynx]

That and deadlock should probably be the first on the list

[stiff fable]

Is Apostasy Prologue replayable?

This is a chronological order list, so Sacrifice needs to come right in the middle

[humble sierra]

Yep, you can do it through the Codex

[lapis fiber]

Ok

[potent raft]

So what are specters exactly? Like autonomous clones or holograms or something?

[stiff fable]

Yep

The Entrati discovered a particle that could copy a physical form

Parvos stole it to make specters

[celest needle]

So
Descendia

• Kullevero is connected to it and so is Roathe who used to go there
• Does not like the infested
• Corrupted enemies
• Drifter only

Could it be in the void?

Or something related to time travel?

[stiff beacon]

nah its something related to the pool the operator was in during the old peace reveal, they gave the pool a name during todays devstream though i forgot what it is

if i had to guess the descendia is probably like a training program but with memories

[strange plinth]

based on the tiny bit i did catch of descendia, i'm guessing its just grabbing at drifter memories and throwing them in there
massive grain of salt on that tho, i haven't gone back through that section to check

[stiff beacon]

and its accessed via the pool

[restive river]

Nah that was Steve

[restive river]

The Dark Refractia or whatever

[shadow flicker]

Proposal: a Qorvex protoframe is the most likely protoframe to have a balanced, or even positive, view of Entrati

[restive river]

It seems the Triad, or at least Marie does

Roathe absolutely does not
I think they said Harrow’s proto does too but idr

[shadow flicker]

From the wording of dialogue and (I forget who was talking during the stream), it seems as though Marie was a devout believer in Entrati, might not have fully grasped his vision, but something happened to cause her to lose faith in him, and focus on righting his wrongs

[strange plinth]

sounds familiar /s

[bright temple]

If I had a nickel for every time we had to time travel to fix a buncha traumatized half-warframe people I would have two nickels, which isn’t much but..

[restive river]

That’s not really what they said

[stiff fable]

How do you count the Drifter

[restive river]

They just said she was ready to do what was asked

[shadow flicker]

Related tangent: I have a question. Through Uriel’s idles, we see the indifference reaching out to Uriel. Could the reason for the minions and the catalyst for the “broken thing” be that Uriel is the warframe with the most indifference infused within it, not just void energy like Xaku.

[restive river]

Eeeh

That would imply Albrecht somehow infused an Orokin with some aspect of the Indifference which isn’t really lining up with what we’re seeing so far

The indifference is likely trying to attack more so cause
It hates the Orokin

[strange turtle]

It also like
Hates Albrecht especially
And Albrecht isn’t exactly a big fan of it either

[patent cargo]

it's dark refactory if i remember correctly

[restive river]

I think it is, thank you

[pale cedar]

I’m still trying to figure out how time travel means dating both a Hex and Triad isn’t cheating

[strange turtle]

Wait what

[pale cedar]

Steve said due to time travel us dating a member of both which we can do isn’t cheating

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/miyamoto-iori-fate-fate-samurai-remnant-samurai-remnant-fate-samurai-remnant-iori-gif-14257356328030423700

[drowsy ether]

Are you sure that wasn't just Steve cracking a joke about the idea of dating two characters at once

[pale cedar]

Didn’t seem like a joke tbh

[bright temple]

it sounds like a joke steve would make

[stray gale]

I'm willing to bet that they did it that way just so you wouldn't have to wait until the next year cycle and break up with your current blorbo or for new players to just progress two things at once

I'm kind of surprised at the people on reddit whose knickers are in a twist over it tbh

when the game moving in the self-indulgent waifuframe direction is doing self-indulgent waifuframe decisions instead of making bespoke commentary on polyamory

[spice spade]

Got a question though:

Base on Lore

Sevagoth is basically Death

Koumei is the Princess of Fate

Nova can Nuke a planet if she wanted too

Dante is a freaking GOD that can manipulate verses into reality

And warframes base on Ballas are "Failed Experiments"

W'The freak is Warframe about?...

How do these things...... happen? They basically Catastrophic/Extinction Level of "beings" per se

[pale cedar]

They aren’t

You’re hyping them up too much

[bright temple]

At the same time I hope there is some acknowledgment that your 1999 partner is consenting as otherwise yeah it feels kind of weird

[bright temple]

also this

[spice spade]

Well maybe, but considering the fact, yeah might be

[bright temple]

warframes are strong but that strength gets a bit blown out of proportion sometimes, like the thing with with Atlas and the asteroid where people take it as him destroying the entire thing by himself on his own with his raw strength, and not that, as told in the leverian, he exploited seismic faults in the asteroid which triggered a cascading structural failure

[spice spade]

Damn Atlas is that strong?

I kinda need to read more of his lore

[pale cedar]

He didn’t just one punch man it

[bright temple]

Still impressive don’t get me wrong, but people just hear “capable of destroying an asteroid” and take the wrong lesson from it

He exploited the structural weakness of it, he didn’t “one punch man it” as Nemesis puts it

[spice spade]

Like, still, damn

[bright temple]

Like yeah, still impressive

Just not, y’know, it doesn’t mean he can just casually destroy mountains willy nilly

[spice spade]

Though my question is what is the main plot of warframe? Eternalism? It's just centered around that plot?

[pale cedar]

Nova can’t nuke the planet or anything like that

Koumei isn’t that impressive when it comes to the fate thing

Sevagoth is immortal due to the undying but isn’t close to being like death plus many frames can defy death

Dante isn’t god level at all

[humble sierra]

Crazy foreshadowing

[spice spade]

Fair

[pale cedar]

Warframes were never designed to be gods

Our task is keeping factions in check never outright removing them

[bright temple]

Otherwise the plot, right now, is more or less finding a way to stop Walter/the Indifference

[spice spade]

Make sense though, but if you are that situation and witnessing these.... stuff they do, they might consider it as one

I mean the people in Cetus outright worshipping Koumei as the Dice Maiden

Well maybe not a God but you kinda see the point I guess?

[spice spade]

Might have to read that... never been there, I just completed 1999

[pale cedar]

Your last 2 quests have been that then

[spice spade]

Yeah and I never completed the warframe quests yet... trying to go to SP right now and then focusing on getting the other frames like Atlas or Jade in Warframe quests

[strange turtle]

Eternalism isn’t a plot, it’s a thing that came up this one time with the Drifter

[spice spade]

I mean yeah, but like, it involves around it... if that makes sense m

Idk how to explaine it English is not my first language haha!

[pale cedar]

1 time with Baro
1 other time with Eleanor

[strange turtle]

Oh right yeah those

[pale cedar]

DE still have used it less than players try to

[strange turtle]

Still, 3 times, each being “one-offs” until recently and even then with Barro it’s not direct

[pale cedar]

Players try using it to solve things they can’t solve

[lean garden]

whats your first language?

[spice spade]

Tagalog, a national language of the Philippines

[lean garden]

ah fellow Asean

[spice spade]

Hello hello

[lean garden]

sadly I dont speak tagalog so I cant make it easier for you to get

[strange turtle]

Like Nemesis said, it doesn’t come up that much, it’s an explanation for the Drifter, an at first joke with Barro to explain cross-platform and a thing Eleanor did to satisfy herself

[spice spade]

Fair

I'm still having hard time reading the main plot hahahah English man

[brittle siren]

when did they add heartbeat to this guy

[bright temple]

since release

[light laurel]

Is the devils triad before or after 1999 or si it not mentioned

[brittle siren]

I never heard it until now though

[bright temple]

🤷‍♀️ it’s been there always

I noticed it day two

[lean garden]

its well, xx99 so it could be 1299 or 4299 we don't know

[stiff beacon]

My guess 2099

[lean garden]

honestly? if the triad uses KIM so naturally either theyre fast learners or computers exist in their time

and given the standard of prosthetics on marie

I doubt we're in a pre-1999 time with the triad

[severe whale]

Guys, is proto wisp voice actor same as verminia from soulframe. I swear she sounds familiar

[lean garden]

did they release who voiced french rat lady?

Because they just did for marie during yesterday's devstream

[severe whale]

I don't know who voice either of them

[tall echo]

Prob just the frenchness

[spice wedge]

More like XX99 try to find in italian numbers or rome numbers.

[stiff beacon]

XX means 20

in roman numerals

but in this case its being used as a place holder

if thats what your asking

[pale cedar]

Or DE just don’t want to tell us hence xx

[tall echo]

Occam

[misty salmon]

The classic anime/videogame/comic year ambiguity trick, except they've figured out that if you frame it as "In the year 19XX (or 20XX)" at some point somebody gets to turn around and go "Where's the flying car I was promised!", and this makes it a lot more flexible.

[tall echo]

And they get to say "albrecht likes years ending in 99"

[misty salmon]

Personally I'm leaning towards earlier in history... 1899, or 1799 perhaps.

[pale cedar]

Albrecht likes time travel

[cunning tapir]

I feel like the Devil's triad's time period could be earlier than 1899.
Because I can only see 1899 being the closest point where Mesa's protoframe would be available.

[tall echo]

[cunning tapir]

I mean, at the risk of sounding silly, 1899 is literally 14 years after the time of old west according to back to the future.

[tall echo]

How... is that relevant

Oh wait it's not october anymore

[cunning tapir]

Because not having a cowgirl protoframe named "Billie" because "Billy the kid" sounds like one hell of a missed opportunity.

[tall echo]

???

[misty salmon]

also modern revolvers were invented in the 1800s... though the idea of Mesa getting stupidly fast repeaters with older matchlock style revolvers would be funny.

[tall echo]

The guns are part of the frame so that's not important

[misty salmon]

true

[woven coyote]

Mesa presidio skin

But did i miss something why are you talking about a mesa proto?

[cunning tapir]

blame me, while we were discussing time periods, I thought having the devil's triad being around the time of the old west without including Mesa's protoframe seemed like a missed opportunity. >_>;;

[pale cedar]

We don’t know the actual year outside 99

[cunning tapir]

I know, that's why I thought it wouldn't be 1899.

twas throwing out ideas.

[pale cedar]

It might be after 1999

Like way after

[cunning tapir]

that's true.

[misty salmon]

yeah, we don't have a lot of evidence one way or the other, everything is very speculative.

[dark compass]

Anything old enough, as long as it gets us a new crossbow

[silent tundra]

Do Fortuna people ( however you say it ) = Solaris people ?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[silent tundra]

They aren’t specifically deck 9 right? All people that live in Fortuna

Do you just called them Solaris instead of fortunans

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[tall echo]

Solari, actually. Apparently

[silent tundra]

I’m on rn and I’m catching and in the sawgaw description it says “ the Solaris call it “

Little confused

[tall echo]

Hmm

Maybe both work

I'm like 80% sure I saw "solari" mentioned somewhere official tho

[silent tundra]

I see I see

maybe the business is just a weird guy

[tall echo]

Biz is a "foreigner" among the tuna solari(s)

[silent tundra]

Oh really? I’m intrigued, tell me more

( if you know )

[tall echo]

I haven't collected any of the fragments yet but his dialogue vaguely suggests he used to be maybe corpus. Other npcs also mention that he's not from around there iirc

"I haven't always been about the preservation of life. More like... the strategic deletion of it."

[silent tundra]

Ahhh makes sense

The Solaris thing also says the Solaris people

So maybe there was a mistake?

[tall echo]

He's also the only one with a different accent

Well aside from duck but she's extra unique

[silent tundra]

Haha she sure is

What is their accent?

The regular like Eudico

I could never tell

[tall echo]

Oh ye there's also the solaris and people who call themselves solaris

[silent tundra]

Solaris untied?

[tall echo]

Odd distinction that only gets mentioned once or twice

[silent tundra]

United

[tall echo]

I'm guessing solaris are born on venus and the others are sent there or smth

[silent tundra]

How strange…

[tall echo]

There's so much to collect in the vallis that I get choice paralysis and don't even try to collect any of it

[silent tundra]

I thought all the people we see now have always lived on Venus ( excluding biz ) because of their song “ we all lift together “

[tall echo]

Most are varying levels of australian as far as I can tell

[silent tundra]

Omg I’m Australian how didn’t I know

That’s insane

[tall echo]

Most obvious ones are the two newer solaris vendors tbf, nightcap and chipper

[silent tundra]

Ahhhh

[tall echo]

I believe duck was some english accent

[silent tundra]

In the song they go “ this the song of sons and daughters. “ So this colony, Fortuna, had been going on for some while

[tall echo]

I'm getting annoyed at my lack of research on this particular topic

[silent tundra]

SORRY

I just really love Fortuna and Venus

[tall echo]

Workers often see each other as family, probably even more so when they're basically slaves

[tall echo]

No need to apologize, I've just been neglecting gathering info about a fairly important faction

[silent tundra]

A major question I have is did that colony exist in Parvos’s time. If not… I may have messed up big time

not even as a colony but as a habitable place

[tall echo]

No

[silent tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/buckspendragon-screaming-crying-throwing-up-fall-to-knees-gif-14194345419648971789

[tall echo]

Parvos is, surprisingly, against slave labor

[silent tundra]

He was a slave once or something close to it wasn’t he

Farmer sorry

[silent tundra]

My favorite quest ever

But Venus was already populated during Parvos’s time

So something did exist there

And the orb Vallis did exist

Correct?

it may have just been called the Vallis back then

[tall echo]

It was at least beginning to exist

But solaris as we know them are a very recent thing

[silent tundra]

I see I see

[tall echo]

Not entirely confirmed or... unconfirmed?

What's the opposite of confirmed

[silent tundra]

Denied

[tall echo]

Sounds weird

[silent tundra]

Hmmmm

I’ve been told before that the orikon have already conquered the origin system tho?

[pale cedar]

Unconfirmed

[tall echo]

They have

Doesn't mean everything was populated

[silent tundra]

I suppose but at least the Vallis would have been during that time because of the orikon structures and cooling system no?

[tall echo]

Jupiter has only been populated by corpus in more recent times but it still belonged to the orokin once

[tall echo]

Yes BUT it was also seemingly never finished, judging by the terraforming seed that's kinda stuck in half-completion

[pale cedar]

Everything belonged to the Orokin
Until it didn’t

Well except Tau

[tall echo]

Also belonged to them for a tiny bit

[silent tundra]

Ah okay

I wish I could have a timeline or smth all this lore is a nightmare

https://tenor.com/view/seal-disgusted-ew-seals-disgusted-seal-gif-16496327248156753425

[tall echo]

Timelines are the only thing we'll never get

[silent tundra]

How long was Parvos’s era about, do we know?

[tall echo]

At least 6

[silent tundra]

6… years?

[pale cedar]

Best I can offer
https://www.orokinarchives.com/timeline/

[tall echo]

6

Maybe even 8

[pale cedar]

At least 1

[tall echo]

-# I'm saying there's no time span given

[pale cedar]

I’ll do you one better

[silent tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-holding-head-cat-sad-cat-rahh-wahhhh-gif-11843610789762008433

My brain…

[tall echo]

Wf timeline in a nutshell

[pale cedar]

Real

[tall echo]

Why did I think the cat had aoi's hair...

[pale cedar]

Because your eyes hate you

[silent tundra]

Waving my hands in the air it is it is

[tall echo]

-# ...wow aoi's first name is just vowels

[silent tundra]

ouwie

[tall echo]

True, I need specially made glasses to keep them from just going cross-eyed on their own

[silent tundra]

No Parvos mentioned 😔

[tall echo]

That's bc the only extremely vague clue we have towards when his story happens is that warframes show up near the end

[ocean geyser]

I love how the popular far future series just go “yeah we have no idea when anything happens”

[unique talon]

Does someone know what that language is from hallvania?

[hasty dock]

I just reading this one: https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Venato_Prime

Fashioned from the willingly-donated bone of the Sentient Ur-Hatho and embellished by Orokin luxurator Sembik Vol, Venato Prime was to be wielded against “common enemies” of the united peoples – had any ever emerged from the darkness beyond Tau.

What exactly is mean: “common enemies” of the united peoples – had any ever emerged from the darkness beyond Tau.??

Is that reference to something more beyond Tau? Sol (origin) system, Tau... and another one??

[strange plinth]

so far the only "enemies of the united peoples" that we know of are the separatists shown in the old peace
"darkness beyond Tau" probably just refers to them preparing for aliens or something
which still haven't emerged as of now

[humble sierra]

Yeah and from DE's current stance on it, it probably never will

but they'll still likely have the 'threat'

[humble sierra]

Only thing I can think of is Dune which is set in like, 11000 AD,

[brittle siren]

The closest to alien in this game is some of the void creatures and the infested

[proper barn]

That's the question.

[hazy prism]

It's only the sentients who came back to the origin system that became sterile right?

[brittle siren]

More specifically it is because the void protection from the Orokin that did this

[strange plinth]

yea, the void travel sterilized them because they were hiding within praghasa, who took the brunt of the damage

[brittle siren]

Iirc Praghasa's death is also caused by this

[hazy prism]

So there is likely a population of sentients still on Tau who are still able to reproduce? I wonder if they ever decided to expand further away from the Origin system

[strange plinth]

not sure if its explicit or not but heavily implied at least

[brittle siren]

Tbh we don't know if any big sentient could reproduce

Besides Hunhow and Praghasa

[hazy prism]

has it ever been stated if Sentient reproduction allowed them to make new sentients of equal or greater "tier" or are the offspring always "lesser"?

[brittle siren]

Always less, as evidenced by Natah and Erra (they are much smaller than their parents)

But they can still be very strong

If Hunhow or Praghasa could clone themselves, the tide of War would be on their side

[hazy prism]

ok, so that means Praghasa's loss has majorly crippled the Sentients as a race, since there probably weren't too many of her "class"
I wonder if that is what makes Adis special, but that's more speculation for now

[brittle siren]

I think Adis is more like “mechanic” or “medic” to the sentient. They are in charge of fixing the damage that sentient troop can't adapt to

[hazy prism]

If Adis could heal the damage done by travelling through the void, we could possibly get Hunhow back (and Praghasa, but she might be too far gone)

[brittle siren]

Praghasa is too big for Adis alone, and we don't know how many types of Sentient like Adis exist

[proper barn]

He might be dead.

[hazy prism]

I was thinking more Praghasa might be "physically" healed but her mind/soul/sentience might not come back

[strange plinth]

no guarantee we could get adis and hunhow/praghasa on the same side of the rail to allow the healing, either

[hazy prism]

but her size is also just giant

yeah, it does seem that if Adis could do that, the Sentient would have just steam rolled by bringing them to the origin system

[ocean geyser]

Considering she was still functional but not “alive” in the new war…yeahhh

I’m surprised her sun-eating ability still worked

Then again she looked mostly intact beforehand

[restive river]

I wanna say she died but due to being a robot her body was still functional

Like when a computer’s OS dies but all the components are still technically working
Ig

[ocean geyser]

Fair enough

[restive river]

No idea where the fragments are coming from

The Murexes should be their own sentients I think??

Man idk with these cool robots sometimes lol

[ocean geyser]

To be fair Hunhow keeps peeling new sentients off himself too

Although no idea where the Narmer affiliated ones come from

[ocean geyser]

To be fair there’s that black goop stuff

[restive river]

Yeah ik, but that just seems to be how fragments are made

[restive river]

Don’t forgot Natah did too

Also the Narmer sentients could be from
The Archons:
Erra’s husk of a body:
Praghasa:
Murexes:

[ocean geyser]

My ahh does not remember that

[restive river]

The sacrifice
Sentient mimics

Those are hers

[ocean geyser]

Ohh

[restive river]

Ye
I missed it too for a while lol

[hazy prism]

I think those aren't really "true" reproduction by sentient standards, they're just drones that are dependent on the main body

[restive river]

Yes
That is what fragments are

[brittle siren]

i wonder
does Sentient have regeneration like Warframe

[restive river]

Not like the infestation but they can regenerate iirc
I’ll check

The chamber doors opened and a mass of guards entered, guns trained inward. As they reached the centre, they parted, revealing a small cart. Atop the cart was a motionless creature, no larger than a hand. Its body was symmetrical, star-shaped, with a seamless, matte-black shell.

A new projection, that of Executor Tuvul ballooned into the space. "It looks harmless."

"Harmless?" Ballas boomed in Tuvul's direction. He turned to the centre of the dome. "Show them."

On command, the guards backed away from the cart and readied their weapons. Their leader took careful aim and fired a whisper round into the body of my creation. Two of the limbs tore off the frame, revealing a glossy, gelatinous interior.

Silence gripped the dome as Tuvul shook his head. Then suddenly, the creature moved, convulsed; the hard surface started undulating. In a moment the wound closed and the thing was whole again. Beside it another machine had grown from its severed parts. Their surfaces had changed however – brighter, harder, resilient to whisper rounds now. Ballas looked triumphant as voting lights began to appear on the judgement disc.

@brittle siren

From https://www.orokinarchives.com/detron-crewman/

[hazy prism]

Orokin really could have gray goo'ed themselves with this, it's amazing how short sighted they were sometimes

[restive river]

Iirc they didn’t make it, a Corpus did

Nvm they’re an Archimedean

[hazy prism]

the wiki states Perintol was both an Archimedean and a member of the corpus

guess they aren't mutually exclusive?

[bright temple]

We have a Sentient Archimedean in Old Peace

[hazy prism]

yeah Perintol is both Ballas calls him a Corpus possibly even a higher ranking member,

Ballas turned his head as the judgement disc went suddenly dark. "An appeal comes at a price. Should you fail, you and your corpus will pay dearly."

I wonder since this is before Parvos Granum was introduced, the idea was Perintol started the corpus

[strange plinth]

i'd guess its more of 'the other corpus archimedeans' than 'all of the corpus'

[proper barn]

Archimedeans can seemingly work for anyone they just have to report to the orokin at a gathering once a year(?) And if they don't like your work they kill you.

[feral cape]

Corpus means family during that time

Iirc

[strange plinth]

oh?

[proper barn]

What are you saying oh to?

Cuz the thing I said is true.

[feral cape]

Not quite family

Friends

[strange plinth]

oh interesting

[hazy prism]

Nakama

[strange plinth]

was saying it to what mediocre said, yea

[proper barn]

Doesn't cetus

Mean like city?

And Ostron mean something else.

[strange plinth]

ig corpus meaning family/friends would make sense with parvos's whole totally-not-a-pyramid-scheme thing he does

[hazy prism]

I found what Cetus means

He was cetus, which meant "landless, cladeless, a body turned to dust turned to motes on a careless wind."

[strange plinth]

so then, is perintol actually part of the corpus?

[hazy prism]

yes

Perintol is called a Corpus and an Archimedean in the Detron Crewman synthesis entry

[brittle siren]

jesus
even drone can duplicate themselves

[hazy prism]

glad that isn't reflected in game, it'd be a nightmare having to destroy the broken pieces of conculyst or battalyst

[celest needle]

How does Varzia get the relics?

[hazy prism]

Aya is raw memory, so Varzia extracts the memories with a machine and turns them into void relics

Regal Aya is more "complete" memory and thus can turn directly into the the prime items

[feral cape]

I'd need to see the entry

[feral cape]

I'd need to see the entry

[strange plinth]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/detron-crewman
link
but the only part that mentions corpus, i believe, was already quoted up there. "you and your corpus"

[feral cape]

Idk then

Probably not actual corpus

[normal blade]

This thing more warframe general than the actual general channel lmao

[proven spire]

Maybe the gold grineer commander in the old peace trailer is kahl’s great great great grandfather lol

[normal blade]

Clone wars if anything

[bright temple]

I mean there’s not really any against discussion lore outside the lore channel, is there?

[normal blade]

True true

[proper barn]

No but we talk lore.

The mostest

[bright temple]

AFAIK the only related rule is use spoiler tags as necessary

[proper barn]

Yee

[strange plinth]

which they (we) aren't doing lol

[proper barn]

@normal blade do you have any lore questions?

[proven spire]

iirc there are moon colonies being protected by paramilitary groups in 1999 pre orokin empire

[normal blade]

Nah, the files from entrati pretty much answered my questions back then

[proven spire]

i read it on the pom computer

[proper barn]

Proof?

[strange plinth]

gonna have to ask for a source on that one

[proven spire]

the pom-2 puter

[proper barn]

Which ones? The ones from diemos or the sanctum?

[normal blade]

Let's not put the pre orokin and the universe of 1999 in the same sentence

[proper barn]

Show me?

[proven spire]

members of the hex were basically military mercenaries

[normal blade]

Sanctum!

[proper barn]

They are the same.

[stiff fable]

you've mixed up the timeline

1999 was not the Old War

[proven spire]

maybe the orokin were like an influential group in wf earth's history

[stiff fable]

The Old War is 10,000 years later minimum

[proven spire]

imagine them being part of like the UN or something lmao

then they rose to power after the radiation wars

[stiff fable]

basically correct, yes

[misty salmon]

there is the ORO group in 1999, whoever they actually are, but the acronym is probably not coincidental.

[stiff fable]

But rather than just the UN it was Hollywood+bankers+politicians+old money etc etc etc

basically, the Freemasons

[proper barn]

Can I get a screenshot of this buddy.

[misty salmon]

chat with Elenor, Drifter: "You've barely made it to Lua. In my time, we have colonies on all the planets. " ... unclear on if that implies colony or just apollo analogue.

[proven spire]

maybe it'll be crazier if the orokin were a group of people dating back to ancient civilizations like sumeria in this alt earth lmao

[strange plinth]

prolly just apollo

[proven spire]

like the orokin always existed from the getgo and influenced cultural and tech changes in this alt history

[stiff fable]

I think that's kinda what they're going for

[misty salmon]

... still looking, Eleanor has a lot of stuff about Lua.. mostly religious, also Komi.

[proven spire]

lua priests in 1999

[stiff fable]

But it's not until around or after 1999 that they discover Oro and the secret to immortality

[proven spire]

like priests on the moon itself

[woven coyote]

....

[glacial bough]

They definietly aren't

[proven spire]

maybe XX99 is on the moon after earth got nuked lmao

[strange plinth]

priests OF lua
as in. they worship it primarily
Sol/Lua is the dualism religion stuff

[proven spire]

the earth being nuked in the radiation wars is what led the orokin to go into the stars and search for the void

[woven coyote]

You gotta be joking now

[dire mountain]

Scaldra DOES ultimately lead to the Orokin though

[proven spire]

i got it in a pom-2 convo lmao

[normal blade]

Yeah yeah that's mb

[misty salmon]

yup, not finding any other content about a colony on the moon in 1999 time, searching both "Lua" and "Moon"

[proper barn]

No.

[normal blade]

Technically speaking the scaldra are the precursors of the grineer

[glacial bough]

In a manner, sure

[proper barn]

Lua and Sol where a old religion the orokin don't worship them anymore.

Dualism was a old belive.

[strange plinth]

ehh
religious, militaristic, green
that's kinda it

[normal blade]

Same way how the techrot, the hex end up being the first version of the infested and warframe due to entrati's intervention

[stiff fable]

Close enough

[glacial bough]

That's not the case at all

[proven spire]

the techrot was always there even without entrati

[normal blade]

Heh proto-infestation

[stiff fable]

The techrot was being experimented on before 1999

[dire mountain]

No its just a military faction

[glacial bough]

Albrecht has nothing to do with the techrot

[strange plinth]

difference being that the techrot is the infestation, just a far earlier version

[proven spire]

they failed to contain it so they nuked earth and lived on colonies

[stiff fable]

Given what we know, Scaldra probably over the centuries becomes the dax

[proven spire]

which led to the zariman spaceship lol

[strange plinth]

eventually, yea, but earth wasn't destroyed in the first radiation war

[glacial bough]

That's some assumption there

[proper barn]

No

[proper barn]

Also no.

[stiff fable]

They're kept in control via drugs, primitive mind control, and espirit de corps

[proper barn]

Also no.

Who is telling you this?

[proven spire]

do you have anything else to say other than no

[dire mountain]

Scaldra -> Orokin

Techrot = Technocyte = Infested

This would happen with or without Albrecht

[proven spire]

the pom-2 puter

[proper barn]

@proven spire okay do you want me to explain it?

[stiff fable]

It's been implied that the Orokin nuked Earth themselves to erase pre-Orokin era history

[proper barn]

That's not what it says.

[glacial bough]

You're reading the computer wrong

[proven spire]

yeah two things can happen both at the same time

like an evil win-win situation

[glacial bough]

POM doens't say anything about colonies or the like

[strange plinth]

ig that's one way to delete the data of pre-orokin
though idk where that's implied

[normal blade]

That's where I'm coming from, 1999 is an alt earth, but will still have the same historical direction the earth where our operator comes from

[stiff fable]

God this was ages ago

[bright temple]

I think Krios is getting KIM convos mixed up

[glacial bough]

We know the Orokin erased their past history. Them nuking the planet to do it is an assumption

[proven spire]

lemme just take some screenshots

[normal blade]

I'm still lost with the whole moon colonies

[stiff fable]

Like when the rad wars were first mentioned, they did a "tee hee" when someone asked about whether it was destroyed intentionally

[normal blade]

Where'd that come from

[dire mountain]

Its an alternate history from real life but it is the history as it happened in Warframe

[strange plinth]

it. is the earth our operator "originally" came from, though? its the same timeline

[strange plinth]

same lol

[glacial bough]

They don't exist

[stiff fable]

I believe they conflated Lua being the seat of Orokin government with the moon landings happening in the Warframe timeline

[glacial bough]

Just ignore anything claiming that

[stiff fable]

but you know what, this is still better than the people claiming that 1999 was a conceptual manifestation and not time travel

[normal blade]

Yes that's also what I meant, maybe the use of alt earth was a tad bit wrong on my part

[strange plinth]

i fear the people still claiming this

[glacial bough]

Yes, 1999 is the actual past that leads to the present day system

[stiff fable]

[dire mountain]

Eternalism was a mistake /hj

[stiff fable]

My favorite non-paradox in Warframe is how Flare is simultaneously the inspiration for the Temple Warframe, the Temple protoframe, and the actual original Temple Warframe

[stiff fable]

where's the lie

[stiff fable]

They're talking about a time period of THOUSANDS OF YEARS

[strange plinth]

don't think flare can be the inspiration if they arrive during the night of naga drums

[proper barn]

Okay so. They mean they Fed the WHOLE SYSTEM. Not just earth.

[glacial bough]

That's a distinct simplification of events

[proper barn]

And they wanna get to tau.

[normal blade]

I'm sorry where were you coming from with this again? Genuine question, not insulting you just to be clear lol

[stiff fable]

That was the neat part, Lizzie put them on Haile-Bopp, to return to the Origin System for that

Flare's final email spelled it out

[normal blade]

Truth

[proven spire]

i dun remember lmao i just thought this tidbit was cool so i wanted to talk about it

[strange plinth]

yea it was nice how they avoided the bootstrap like that

[glacial bough]

They aren't. The Temple frame existed before Flare came back to the system

[stiff fable]

It's the greatest non-paradox ever

[proven spire]

also lol

[stiff fable]

Yeah that part's really funny

[proven spire]

warframe 1969

[stiff fable]

Incorrect, Temple was never built.

[dire mountain]

Dinosaur warframe when

[strange turtle]

I think they mean the OG “Temple” Flare

[normal blade]

I love how the supposed war, was just that stuff lol

[proven spire]

Canata

[stiff fable]

some of the renames are super clever

[misty salmon]

Temple was designed, Ballas refused to build one, Entrati jacked it and gave it to Flare, Flare took a comet nap to get back in time for the dropping of the beat down.

[stiff fable]

nailed it

[dire mountain]

Ballas was afraid to build Temple iirc

[proven spire]

jinymon and jipangu

[misty salmon]

... which makes me wonder what the orbital period of that comet was.

[stiff fable]

Entrati straight up goes "I could do the funniest thing ever" when he realizes Flare is infected

[normal blade]

Bro was the whole rebellion lol

[proven spire]

i'm trying to find the aoi and arthur breakup but she only talks about it if ur in a relationship with her

[stiff fable]

coming back to this real quick, I cannot get over him being afraid to build Temple after building fooking Son Wukong as a Warframe

[strange plinth]

i still love the mental image of ballas seeing the frame he designed and decided not to make (for being too rebellious) showing up at the rebellion anyway
like some kind of avatar

[normal blade]

It was during a mission

[proven spire]

something about protecting a colony and a tank rolled over the origamis she made for arthur

[stiff fable]

Sun Wukong broke into heaven and beat up all the gods simultaneously because they didn't invite him to a party

[dire mountain]

He knew he could distract wukong

[stiff fable]

Or, wait, was it because they made him the stableboy when he ascended to heaven?

I forget been too long. Time for a reread

[proper barn]

oh it was she made a thing for Authur and he didn't care.

[proper barn]

she can talk about it whenever. doesn't have to be in a relationship. just make sure all conversations are on.

[normal blade]

1000 CRANES ALL GOT SCRAPPED BY A TANK GODDAMN

[proper barn]

i don't think it was 1000

it was just one she made for him to be cute and he didn't care at all

[stiff fable]

Can I say that I think it's crazy that Nokko... maybe isn't a Warframe at all?

[proper barn]

it's like if you got your partner a flower and she left it outside or something.

[proper barn]

HMMMMMMM nokko is very intresting.

[stiff fable]

But some kind of fungus from under Venus that got up and decided to become a Warframe when it grew up?

[proven spire]

i just can't remember where that colony was

[glacial bough]

There was no colony

[strange turtle]

I think the no invitation to the party thing was the Peach Incident

[stiff fable]

the undermind as a whole is actually the reason that the coolant systems are still working

[stiff fable]

That sounds right, thanks!

[strange plinth]

i mean, nightcap says "not some leftover from an orokin lab"
i'm not sure if nokko was always fungus, but i think he's still a warframe

[proper barn]

i think he was always both but now he has like ASCENDED

[normal blade]

No no, it was 1000, she said she was working on it for weeks

[proper barn]

to be the hive mind of the mushrooms.

[normal blade]

And it was supposed to be a wish of goodluck for the both of them

[proper barn]

oh then it was the last ONE AND SHE WANTED HIM TO MAKE A WISH WITH HER. that was it yeah.

yeah. imagine your partner was like "you like your birthday but i don't it's stupid"

[woven coyote]

Fairly sure both but at different points

[proper barn]

I WOULD BREAK UP WITH THEM.

[proper barn]

this is true though.

[stiff fable]

reminder that Arthur doesn't know what an emoticon is

[proven spire]

lizzie is flare's new cat

[stiff fable]

when the Drifter, Space Trauma themself, figures it out just by looking

[proper barn]

other way round but also no.

[stiff fable]

Arthur has the emotional depth of a particularly dull stump

[proper barn]

cuz they uhhhhh have a relationship.

[stiff fable]

this is why he's the one who confronts you about Duviri mind you

[proven spire]

the infested hivemind

[proper barn]

well lizzie is like helminth techrot but yes.

[normal blade]

Huh, but the break up about her giving him cranes was in a single dialogue tho, because Arthur wasn't seeing the little things, it was all about the mission

[misty salmon]

Crane thing was a few different Aoi conversations... there was the one about the [Not Japanese] astronauts folding them as a training exercise; a different one where Arthur just sort of ignored the ones Aoi made during some sort of peacekeeping mission but they don't specify the location...

[normal blade]

Ah, mb

I guess the one I'm talking about IS the last one

[proper barn]

yee

[proven spire]

peacekeeping mission where

[misty salmon]

also a few about the metal ones she's currently making

[proper barn]

we don't know.

[misty salmon]

"Aoi: we were out on a peacekeeping missions with the ICR but I still wanted to celebrate venusia in some way.
Aoi: so I spent weeks folding 1000 paper cranes for him. they're suppose to be good luck, u know? and 1000 are supposed to grant a wish
Aoi: every spare second I had between meals or before bed, I'd sneak off, all excited about how happy a venusia surprise was gonna make him "

[normal blade]

Man that sucks, but I'm not siding on arthur or anything but like, it wasn't wrong to think about the mission

[proper barn]

but like

[proven spire]

i remember aoi being amazed that we terraformed venus

[normal blade]

But to dismiss your gf's gift like that? Damn

Huge screw up

[proper barn]

yeah.

that's why they broke up.

[normal blade]

Arthur isn't named Arthur for nothing

[proven spire]

aoi's parents were also rocket scientists

[normal blade]

Bro was all about the mission

[stiff fable]

ooof nice point

[proper barn]

also one of letties like Room dialogs is like "i hope Aoi and Aurthur don't get back to together they where terrible for each other"

[proven spire]

maybe the space race never ended lmao

[proper barn]

his voice is put on btw it's so funny.

ealnor says that's his HERO LEADER VOICE and he's putting it on cuz he'S GOTTA BE A SOILDER"

[stiff fable]

I love the HERO LEADER VOICE convo

[strange turtle]

Wait
DE Please please please give us a mushroom convo with Aoi for Devils Triad 🙏

[normal blade]

HERO LEADER VOICE

[proper barn]

yes

[proven spire]

arthur also sings show tunes

[stiff fable]

Eleanor's searing hatred for you if you admit to liking it is hysterical

[strange turtle]

Have we heard his Ordinary Man voice?

[normal blade]

Eleanor's hatred with superheroes/wannabe superheroes is justified lol

[proven spire]

sang velimir's ear off then passed out drunk

[proper barn]

i love all the like ealanor going like "Why do you think he's hot stop it"

it's so funny.

[regal torrent]

does anyone like revenant's lore?

[normal blade]

"you like something about my brother? Stop"

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[stiff fable]

It's honestly kinda rad

Guardian gets curious about his prisoner one night and taps the glass, only to get yanked in

[regal torrent]

I always loved it, I tried making an edit based around it too

[stiff fable]

Perfect horror movie material

[regal torrent]

ikr?

[proper barn]

it's fine. his prime lore was the fist time Eteranlism was actually used. Other than the drifter.

[normal blade]

Pretty much almost the oneshot stories about the frames are great

[regal torrent]

I didnt know that o:

[proven spire]

the infested hivemind just wanted flare to feel better about his grief

[proper barn]

lizzie did.

okay so

[proven spire]

lizzie's love is unconditional

[proper barn]

they seem to be indivual minds but still connected to the whole and they can SEE THROUGH ALL TIME.

cuz Lizzie says she can see the tech rot in 1999 and infested in the normal time.

[stiff fable]

I will allow DE to make Revenant Prime be eternalism ONLY because Ballas is so mad about it

[proven spire]

they were just waiting for flare to accept them bc flare created them by bleeding on the guitar

[normal blade]

Infested/techrot are metal af for that

[proper barn]

also Lizzie knows when we reset and that we can.

[stiff fable]

Also Lizzie is the Helminth

[regal torrent]

interesting

[stiff fable]

Genuinely gave me the heebiejeebies

[proper barn]

lizzie will tell you to reset

if you do their converstations wrong

[regal torrent]

timey wimey type stuff

[normal blade]

All this talk about Lizzie remind me of the "BUT SHE'S A GUITAR, IT DOESN'T COUNT"

[proper barn]

ALSO how lizzie talked and stuff makes me realize

the helminth only is in our ship working for us

cuz it thinks that will help it.

[proven spire]

STAR CHILD

[normal blade]

The devil child

[proper barn]

like

[normal blade]

MASTER

[bright temple]

No, this is Patrick

[proper barn]

It's not like a watered down infestation not connected to the hive mind. it is just like it thinks working with us is BEST FOR SOME REASON.

WHY IDK.

[stiff fable]

The Hivemind is too big

There are too many voices speaking at once

[regal torrent]

are there any warframe edits that reference the lore?

[stiff fable]

Like, according to Kaya, the infestation is invading EVERY 1999 at once

[proper barn]

what does that mean?

[proven spire]

maybe an otherworldly consciousness have different concepts to things

[proper barn]

no we know that lizzie says that.

[dire mountain]

We do literally feed it just so it empowers our warframes idk i feel like thats a pretty good deal

[stiff fable]

this is off-topic, but years ago someone wrote a short fiction based on John Carpenter's The Thing

from the perspective of the monster

[proven spire]

maybe the indifference is similar

[regal torrent]

I love warframes lore but I don't see any edits about it

[stiff fable]

And how it's not trying to hurt us as it assimilates us

[normal blade]

What kind of edits tho, what edits are we talking about

[stiff fable]

But it doesn't understand individualism, and when it does it is disgusted by it

[proper barn]

but other infested is mad we are attacking it. lizzie could consume/subsume Flare but lizzie doesn't want to. helminth could EAT US but it doesn't.

[proven spire]

a different perspective on morality and existence

[regal torrent]

um I can link one? kinda hard to explain

[stiff fable]

At least for Wally?

[normal blade]

Please do so lol

[stiff fable]

It eats timelines

[normal blade]

I'm so lost myself

[stiff fable]

The infestation thinks it's trying to help

[regal torrent]

https://youtu.be/3ECn94eFT8I?si=hhCZ0qd5T5YbM78g if im allowed to, sure. I have a few amvs saved, like gauss prime

[stiff fable]

Wally wants you to die screaming and then never exist

[proper barn]

and THIS IS REALLY REALLY INTRESTING

[strange turtle]

I mean I think as food we’re like a really hairy and spindly tarantula to it but yeah

[regal torrent]

yum

[proper barn]

IT EATS METAL

[strange turtle]

Metal doesn’t have hair and wiggle it’s long weird legs

I mean ig Oraxia-

[proper barn]

but yeah we actively make a "DEAL" with it when we use diemos helminth segment.

[dire mountain]

Lizzie was born from part of Flare's own psyche iirc so obviously she doesnt want to hurt them she wants to make them whole.

And helminth could try yeah but I don't think eating the person who feeds you AND is fueled by the spooky scary dimension is a great idea

[proper barn]

so it can make DEALS WHY HOW AND IT'S CONNECTED TO THE HIVE MIND STILL.

[regal torrent]

its a bit confusing

[stiff fable]

Lizzie is as much part Flare as she is part-Hivemind

So it's probably that

[proper barn]

it's just INTRESTING.

[regal torrent]

im excited to see what they do with uriel tho

[proper barn]

but like she talks like she is the HELMINTH cuz you can talk about like ""oh you want to subsume flare" and she is like "NO we only do that for now and cuz you ASK but we would never do that to FLARE"

[normal blade]

Oh that kind of edit, idk I haven't really seen much about those, this is cool tho

[proper barn]

very intresting.

[regal torrent]

thanks! I think ppl sleep on warframes lore so id love to make something cool out of it

[proper barn]

please DE INFESTED TILE SET UPDATE AND INTRODUCE THE MAIN CURRENT HIVE MIND PEASE

[normal blade]

Wait, am I missing something or is there an interaction with subsuming temple to the helminth

[proper barn]

IT WAS IN THE POM PC IN ALBRETCHES LAB PLEASE

[stiff fable]

I hope they don't have "one single hivemind representative"

That was why The Final Shape in Destiny 2 fell flat for me >.>

[proper barn]

no when you talk to flare and lizzie you can talk about subsumes

[normal blade]

HELL YEAH, I don't see those at all, yours was a first for mine

[stiff fable]

the darkness was cooler when it was a force of nature

[regal torrent]

:DD appreciate it

[proper barn]

I WOULD LIKE IT. or even just like the Patient zero that the orokin made leading it.

[normal blade]

I guess I haven't fully explored the dialogues for them lol

[proper barn]

it would be SO COOL

[regal torrent]

lmk what lore would be cool for an amv/edit

gara is cool too

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-boom-sandy-gif-11706200

[normal blade]

Voruna definitely, her lore was so good for me, literally poured kuva blood over her and her companions so they can still be together

[regal torrent]

sorry too soon

[proven spire]

maybe the infested isn't a thing where you can find the mothership or a source and just blast it with a laser maybe it has always existed like the void but is separate from the void if that makes sense

[strange turtle]

…what if it’s just like, they have big enough and designed brains and thus “individual” consciousness to have this level of cognition

Like Lizzie was born from a human consciousness, The Twins are really really big, Coda were designed to be “clones” of humans, and the Helminth is really big and manages the like life-support and maintenance

[normal blade]

Oh damn, kinda like Venom's and his children

Carnage was born of cletus' blood etc etc

Man, I'd love to be it that

[proven spire]

an alien consciousness like the indifference and alien means it has a different concept of right and wrong from humans

[normal blade]

They have a consciousness of their own yet still in the same hivemind

[strange turtle]

Could it just be that only they have the necessary qualities to have a “voice” and reason that can withstand the rest of the very big and “loud” hivemind?

[proper barn]

In 1999

They have like "proto legacites"

Which is apparently like baby hive minds

[strange turtle]

Also the gorilla ones

[normal blade]

Damn, baby lepantis where?!

[dire mountain]

Legacytes are like a mobile protogravemind

[proper barn]

Ohhhhhhhh okay so. Can I make a suggestion?

[strange turtle]

But they’re based on primates and way more primitive and basic like normal infested so

[proven spire]

the infested are merely conduits of this consciousness that you can never really kill

[proper barn]

@regal torrent go through the prime trailers those have a lot of cool qoutes.

[normal blade]

Also wouldn't the split personality work on this for the hivemind of the infested but it's consciousness

[regal torrent]

yes

[regal torrent]

yes!!!

[woven coyote]

Wonder if the hivemind made any other more successfull infiltration/sleeper agent attempts

[normal blade]

Split personality on human disability**

[proven spire]

proto infested and orokin infested are the same thing

the hivemind has always existed

[woven coyote]

That whole thing with the cult of arlo showed a very scary aspect of the infestation

[normal blade]

We've already established that tho, techrot IS the infested rather the first version of kt

[proven spire]

like how the void itself was always there just waiting to be discovered

it just needed a connection

[regal torrent]

I love that part

I thought adding bird 3, tagfer etc was a fantastic addition to the lore

[proven spire]

the void also corrupts like how the infestation also corrupts the physical form

[regal torrent]

so we have void corruption, infestation corruption, and capitalistic corruption via the corpus

pick ur poison

[misty salmon]

clone rot

[regal torrent]

yum

[dire mountain]

Veils and the neural sentry

[proven spire]

to the alien consciousness it is not rot but only a new form of being

praise nurgle

[misty salmon]

so what corruption do the sentients provide for our collection?

[proper barn]

Chat

[stiff fable]

terraforming?

[proven spire]

artificial intelligence lmao

[regal torrent]

familial corruption

[stiff fable]

Cuz from the other side, they change what was originally there to something else

[proper barn]

It's so interesting to go to the prime trailers. Cuz it was always Ballas talking to the seven.

[stiff fable]

I'm incredibly mad Caliban didn't get a prime trailer

[proper barn]

But it's so interesting that he's like talking about making them to fight the other factions during the old war.

[stiff fable]

Because Erra trailer orz

anyone here who watches the devshorts, please ask for it I'm begging you

[strange turtle]

The most corruptive, twisted form of life on all of Earth

Beavers

[regal torrent]

I love the prime trailers! gauss is probably my fav

[proper barn]

Like Sayrn Vabuan Banshee

Have this werid trilogy

[regal torrent]

they do?

[proven spire]

so as long as albrecht keeps time traveling eventually all frames will have their own protoframe lol

plus new ones

[regal torrent]

guuuud

https://tenor.com/view/smug-smile-he-he-he-elf-frieren-gif-5058064641539350421

I need more fanart

[proven spire]

albrecht entrati is basically the new ballas at this point

[stiff fable]

look all I want is a Dagath/Xaku/Caliban protoframe trio

[proven spire]

ballas is lame now

[regal torrent]

xaku my beloved ❤️

[stiff fable]

Excuse me, Equinox too

[regal torrent]

they dont even have any lore. xaku just randomly appears

[stiff fable]

Mostly no lore

[regal torrent]

or is there lore?

[stiff fable]

Except that three Warframes got lost in the Void and came back fused together

[misty salmon]

Albrecht won't give us 100 protoframes unfortunately... he stops at 99.

[regal torrent]

how did they get lost in the void?

[stiff fable]

Entrati void experiments iirc

[stiff fable]

that's an 11/10 joke

[regal torrent]

what do you think that looked like? kinda like the animals like bird 3?

[stiff fable]

there was some theorycrafting years ago

[regal torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/light-yagami-l-lawliet-death-note-stare-dn-gif-23619862

[stiff fable]

Someone made mockups of what the originals looked like

[regal torrent]

ohh?

[stiff fable]

based on the three distinct parts that make up Xaku

[regal torrent]

im heavily interested

[strange turtle]

Proto-Xaku finding out Eleanor just went into the Void and ignored Wally (Dealing with that bastard has been like half their character arc)

[regal torrent]

this is sick! :DD

so he just threw warframes in the void and they mashed together?

how'd they get out??

[stiff fable]

No no, there were actual expeditions

[proven spire]

tbf the name Xaku sounds like voidtongue

[stiff fable]

They'd open void portals during the old war and go through to see if they could find anything

[regal torrent]

I see...

[normal blade]

"WDYM YOU IGNORED THE DUDE"

"I'm just saying, I was going thru the drifter's head and saw them, then not care"

[stiff fable]

other places, other times, lost Orokin Towers

and sometimes the participants wouldn't come back

[proper barn]

BUT LIKE MY ANSWER TO HER was that all her visions where by wally.

cuz i still think that.

[stiff fable]

Presumably, during one of these experiments, the return portal opened and Xaku stepped through

[proven spire]

imagine a warframe named Jahu or Lohk lol

[regal torrent]

fascinating

[regal torrent]

that must have been such an aura moment

[proven spire]

but instead we get names derived from ancient history

[normal blade]

Man, Eleanor casually speed running the trauma and lore like that

[regal torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/solo-leveling-beru-solo-leveling-season-2-season-2-solo-leveling-arise-gif-13993641046919306749

[stiff fable]

fwiw Xaku, Kullervo and one other Warframe I can't remember right now have voidtongue abilities

[normal blade]

Imagine if we get a section of this story in old peace

Like a tidbit of those three leaving together

[regal torrent]

don't get my hopes up

[normal blade]

BRO MINE ALWAYS WAS

I have so many copium with that update

[proven spire]

kullervo still sounds like a name from earth

[normal blade]

We literally see the primes just on those pile

[dire mountain]

Because it is

[stiff fable]

It is!

The Tale of Kullervo is a Finnish epic poem

[dire mountain]

Dante??

[normal blade]

Dear gaia give me strength, I want the visuals for these primes and their backgrounds

[proven spire]

oh that's cool

[regal torrent]

did you know that because you like warframe or are you just that smart?

[stiff fable]

Neither, just a huge nerd

[regal torrent]

hahahaha

[stiff fable]

JRR Tolkein did an English translation

[dire mountain]

I still think these six will be NPC Tenno for a change

[strange plinth]

real as hell

[proven spire]

guys Loki is from norse mythology 🤓

[stiff fable]

Checked and no that wasn't it

[strange plinth]

that seems most likely imo
maybe random assistants during perintol runs?

not perintol
what was it called

[regal torrent]

will they ever make ash relevant?

[proven spire]

mesa is just a table and ash is from a volcano

[stiff fable]

Perita?

Oh god please change it DE

No Spanish or portuguese speaker can take that name seriously

[normal blade]

Y'all, wouldn't we technically see other tenno during the old peace, which order of the story is that

[stiff fable]

we should

[regal torrent]

we need more tenno npcs

original characters

[stiff fable]

DE's been resisting doing it because the idea is that for you, other players are the "Tenno NPCs"

[regal torrent]

I respect it tbh