lore-discussion

[open coral]

well yeah but, plus bones

[tall echo]

That's part of the entrati aesthetic

[open coral]

not for most items

only necra-stuff

[tall echo]

For the items that are big enough for a skull

Skulls are part of the aesthetic not bones in general so ye

[open coral]

but like theres so many entrati weapons none of which have any blue or skulls

[tall echo]

How do you expect a full skull to fit on them

[open coral]

the skull thing is just to.. imbue them with life? necramechs and necraloids have the skulls and are both some form of robotic so idk

its clear necraloid is like a smaller necramech

and there is multiple archguns with more than enough space for a human skull

[tall echo]

It's just for style

[open coral]

idk seems incredibly impractical to have a delicatley carved (or even real) skull just for style

definitely not something father would do, not for his mechs

[tall echo]

We're talking about people who made their skin blue and their right arm long for style

[open coral]

yeah but we're also talking about the most messed up family of such who have had to live off of a zombie planet for centuries

father of all people is not gonna waste precious space on his war machines for style

also father says that mechs are the precursor to warframes, right? and necramech pods really do look like coffins

[tall echo]

Not direct precursors

[open coral]

honestly idk they could be

personal theory is that theres just an actual corpse in there for tenno to transfer into

[tall echo]

Tenno weren't a thing yet at that point

[open coral]

oh yeah i mean thats why the tenno can transfer into it

have we ever seen tenno transfer into a nonliving thing?

[stiff fable]

Yes

Golden Maw

[open coral]

golden maw is definitely a living thing

it eats fish

[stiff fable]

It's more of a robot guardian thing

The Maw in War Within was to eat children

[tall echo]

Eating doesn't necessarily mean living

[open coral]

warframe has a bit of a track record for living things stuffed inside robotic-seeming shells

[stiff fable]

Separate from that, I do think the necramechs have skeletons or fossilized corpses in them

There was a blanket AI ban in the Empire, which they got around by using "human resources"

[open coral]

well if the maw was made by the orokin and can think for itself (it acts like an animal so clearly it can) it must be a synthetic organism right?

no AI allowed

[stiff fable]

There are ways to stretch the definition past the point of absurdity

[pale cedar]

Wasn’t the maw in a dream?

[stiff fable]

based on the real path

[tall echo]

The maws also never appear outside of not entirely real places

[open coral]

also the wiki says that the maws will resort to canibalism if theres no food but i dont know what the source is on that

but if theres multiple maws, they eat, and theyre known to resort to cannibalism, that must mean they have to reproduce, right? if they eat each other and no one is making them, theyd otherwise go extinct

[stiff fable]

that's actually true

[open coral]

also true

[tall echo]

One is a dream the other is duviri which is influenced slightly by the outside

[tall echo]

The source is the senator armstrong special

[open coral]

pretty much anything in duviri is questionable in its canonicity because it literally contains whatever you think it contains

i didnt care enough to look into the lore of kullvero, why is ballas there

[pale cedar]

He isn’t

[open coral]

i know but

[tall echo]

It's kullervo's idea of ballas

[open coral]

i see

[pale cedar]

CE can create things

[open coral]

wait is kullervo a real person? was he thrown into duviri?

[tall echo]

Kullervo is a real warframe

[pale cedar]

His crimes are things he did in the Origin System

[open coral]

what about oraxia? is she real?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[tall echo]

:|

[pale cedar]

Oraxia came back when the island did

Oraxia was the guardian who got tricked by Wally

[stiff fable]

Ballas threw Kullervo into the Void, and he ended up in Duviri

Fun fact, but despite the 7 jails for the 7 crimes, the last one is broken....

So the Kullervos you fight are probably copies/memories of the original

[pale cedar]

How is attempted regicide broken?

[open coral]

kullervo kinda resembles the creatures of duviri, does that mean being in duviri changed him to look like that?

[stiff fable]

Yes

Well, not the shape maybe, but the Void looking bits of his helmet

[stiff fable]

Honestly, I think he got out and helped kill the Orokin.

[open coral]

id love to see a warframe with the weird kintsugiri look of the duviri residents

[pale cedar]

I’d say it’s more we helped him kill the Orokin

Transference and all

We build the frame outside of Duviri after all

[stiff fable]

Xaku's deluxe skin?

[open coral]

well yeah but xaku deluxe is more like a shattered vase than an intact one glued together with gold

i kinda just love the design of these messed up characters

its like they're all bad drawings of orokin, torn up into pieces and stuck back together into a collage

yk i wonder what makes frames like lavos, dante and jade different from the others enough to have not gone insane

[ashen pulsar]

The indomitable human spirit

[open coral]

lol sure but like umbra and all of the primes in the simaris logs are nutjobs

and i have to assume most were, given that tenno were needed to keep them in check

[pale cedar]

Motivation

All Warframes are sentient
All Warframes will act if their therapist is in danger

[open coral]

the original warframes were definitely sentient, the war within could have just been remote control

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah, but it’s probably just a trait of the person

who was turned into a frame

[open coral]

thats true

lavos was just so dedicated to science he refused to be an insane killing machine

[ashen pulsar]

Like stalker and Jade’s wish to help each other might’ve been enough to keep them stable

[open coral]

yeah definitely

stalker totally went a little insane tho

[ashen pulsar]

That’s true

[open coral]

also who the hell are the acolytes

[ashen pulsar]

I don’t think we know

[open coral]

its kinda crazy how much the game has evolved since stalker and the acolytes

like they're just warframes with a different helmet

now we have warframes with a whole ass snake for a head

[ashen pulsar]

Or warframes that are mostly human

[open coral]

do you think mania would be jealous of archon boreal

[strange turtle]

They take their helmet off to reveal it was Parvos all along, because the sister stuff wasn’t enough.

[tall echo]

Reminder, leverian frames aren't actually tennoless

[stiff fable]

Lavos started out as an insane killing machine, only for Javi to sit him down for edumicashun

[tall echo]

Except dante

Dante was tennoless

[open coral]

are we sure? drusus seems to be completely unaware of transference in warframes so idk maybe dante was a tenno

[stiff fable]

as far as we're aware

[tall echo]

He doesn't differentiate and at least 2 of the stories have tenno

[stiff fable]

all Warframes we hear about are "second dream" Tenno-piloted unless specifically said otherwise

because the exceptions are the ones who didn't go crazy

[open coral]

do you think the leverian stories are the original tenno of their respective frames? or a later adapter

i haven't actually had the time to sit down and listen to the walking simulator audiobook so im not caught up on leverian stories

[tall echo]

Unknown

[pale cedar]

"Drusus never seems to distinguish between the deeds of the warframes and of the Tenno who presumably operated them. He credits them all with autonomy and dignity. I imagine Dante is responsible for that."

[stiff fable]

it's just slightly irrelevant

Even during the Orokin era there were VERY few "singular" Warframes

There were thousands of Novas, thousands of Volts

All of the one-off Warframes were freak accidents or had complicated circumstances

[open coral]

i wouldn't say thousands

there probably wasnt that many tenno

[stiff fable]

There are canonically 350,000 active Tenno

[open coral]

wait how big is the ten-zero

[open coral]

ah ._.

[stiff fable]

A good chunk of the size of the moon

And it was bigger on the inside

[open coral]

wait really

[stiff fable]

Yeah

[open coral]

dimensional engineering by the god damn orokin

[stiff fable]

Your orbiter uses it too

[open coral]

you know, orokin and time lords share a lot of similarities

[stiff fable]

It's funny you say that

Darvo is considered a young, rebellious Corpus

in his 200s

And that's the Corpus and not the Orokin

[open coral]

does it? from the submerged segment in the drifter camp it seems the same size

also that seems like void science and i dont want it anywhere near where i keep my collection of floofs

[stiff fable]

The Orbiter is actually kinda huge

[open coral]

wait why isnt the top bit in the drifter camp

[stiff fable]

But it's still not enough for all the storage, propulsion, life support

honestly it's because the modelers didn't pay attentio to the concept art

[open coral]

i have to assume that, not only does the landing craft detach, but so does the entire living quarters

[stiff fable]

no

zoom in on the picture

See the bit with the lights around it on the bottom left?

That's the lander

[open coral]

no i know

im saying this whole bottom part is whats submerged in the cave

[stiff fable]

oh wait I see what you're saying

[pale cedar]

He’s only almost 105 not 200

[stiff fable]

hmm probably not

[stiff fable]

my mistake

[open coral]

how does the drifters camp even make any sense actually

[stiff fable]

It actually doesn't

[pale cedar]

It kinda does

[stiff fable]

Like I said, they ignored the concept art

There's no way for any of the ships depicted in the in-game or the old concept art to fit in the cave

[open coral]

no i mean, if the lander can travel between planets, whats the point of the entire orbiter

[stiff fable]

Oh, no life support

Or manufacturing facilities

[pale cedar]

We also don’t even see the full size of the Orbiter when in it

DE are really bad at the size of things

[stiff fable]

TvTropes: SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale

[open coral]

wait actually i just found this, which seems like concept art and is also i think the orbiter model found in the drifter's camp?

so i was right! the bottom does detatch!

or wait no

more like the top-front detaches

still, parts come off

actually you can see where it detaches in the codex art

its still completely offscale but ill take what i can get and chalk it up to whoever drew this diagram in universe being bad at scale

since this art is diegetic

[strange turtle]

It wasn’t a blanket ban, just for sapient, or rather “Sentient” stuff. The Orokin had restricted war machines, neural sentries and drones.

Also the Necramechs wouldn’t really be a good way of getting around that considering they were noted to be so stupid the project got dismissed early

[stiff fable]

That's just it, if I'm right, the necramechs weren't intelligent, they just use corpses to do thinking

[open coral]

actual warhammer territory lol

[stiff fable]

The auto-weapons were networked was the problem iirc

yuuuup

[open coral]

also, like... is there 300 000 of these?? i know space is completely mucking empty but how does one not spot the 500 absolutely garganuan motherships orbiting your planet and blast a hole in the side

actually the whole 350 000 tenno brings up a good question

[stiff fable]

Canonically, void cloaking

[open coral]

what canonically happens to all tenno and what canonically happens only to mara?

[stiff fable]

Every tenno ship is half in the void when it travels

First off, Mara isn't real

[open coral]

ah, i see. space magic

[open coral]

by mara i just mean the one canonical main character tenno

[stiff fable]

Keep in mind, the Duviri protag is the Hayden Tenno looking male

[open coral]

like theres only one drifter, right?

[stiff fable]

Apparently not

Or, well, there was only one Drifter originally

But there are other Tenno in Duviri now

[open coral]

since when?

[stiff fable]

And other Tenno in 1999

Gameplay is canon

So, since the New War

[open coral]

also yeah how the space jesus is there 4 player squads in 1999

[stiff fable]

Time travel

[open coral]

but like kim messages treat it like theres only one drifter in 1999

theres one that jokes about how viktor doesnt realise that all of my warframes belong to the same person

[stiff fable]

I mean yeah, the others aren't DMing your friends

[open coral]

then who the hell are they 😭

[stiff fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcUkKltAidM

[open coral]

oh yeah thats just another version of me from another reality also in the future dont worry about it

[stiff fable]

Repeat to yourself it's just a show, I should really just relax

[open coral]

you technically cannot prove that isnt mara

[stiff fable]

I can, because the New War cinematic trailer character is different from the "Mara" from they were playing through the War Within

Or whatever quest it was when that was a thing

[open coral]

actually thats also mara. she got a haircut

also you can just completely change your operators look on the fly - are tenno shapeshifters or is that not canon

[ocean geyser]

The girl from the intro cinematic is a tenno, right?

I wonder if we can recreate her look

[strange turtle]

Considering it never comes up as a funny little one-off in Kim probably not, but most of the changes are just stuff we can do without shapeshifting anyway

[ocean geyser]

Doesn’t necessarily need to be shapeshifting either since the Orokin had funny biotech to remake themselves after Continuity

[strange turtle]

Even the face stuff, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were surgeries and treatments for that, not that I think its canon

[ocean geyser]

I mean the refacia kit exists

[open coral]

yeah refacia is pretty canon as an object

[strange turtle]

No the face stuff

Refacia is skin

I mean how we can literally change our face

[open coral]

if you can change your skin colour to blue with a little box im sure you can get ordis to perform a little plastic surgery

[ocean geyser]

Although the general consensus is that it’s possible anyway

[open coral]

also yeah orokin looked the same throughout their incarnations, right? they must have had major facial reconstruction to do so

[ocean geyser]

So arguing about it doesn’t really make sense

[strange turtle]

…no?

Like they could’ve if they wanted to but the whole point of the body markets was to pick a body you liked the look of

[ocean geyser]

I wouldn’t put it past the Orokin to do that and then modify it till the original traits were unrecognizable anyway

[proper barn]

I think they do though.

[ocean geyser]

Need to summon an expert

@tall echo do you mind if I borrow your brain for this conversation

[proper barn]

@strange turtle @open coral OKAY so seemingly the "YOUNG" part of young and exotic seems to be just so they can live longer and thus they might make them just look like themselves again.

[strange turtle]

Wait so why was Ballas choosing a girl if his ass was just going to transition for the 59th time?

[proper barn]

yeah.

probably.

[proper barn]

he's a Supreme narcists? also i don't think the gender matters to the orokin at all.

cuz they have the tech to change whatever they want.

[open coral]

i imagine the orokin just pull a dr shaw and just swap gender on a whim and back depending on body

[proper barn]

sure.

[ocean geyser]

I think the answer to this is that the orokin make no sense

[proper barn]

Ballas is always ballas LOOK AT HIM

[open coral]

actually every orokin other than ballas

[proper barn]

he's the most conceded man ever.

[strange turtle]

Yeah but that’s still effort

[proper barn]

is it more effort

than like lengthing a arm?

[open coral]

beacause ballas is just male insecurity made flesh

[proper barn]

THAT'S MORE BONE

that's MORE BONE AND SKIN AND IT HAS TO BE STRONG ENOUGH FOR COMBAT FATHER WAS A SOILDER.

[open coral]

dont forget also making yourself 10 feet tall at the smallest

[proper barn]

okay wait they are more like 6-7 foot the family are just bigger cuz infested.

[ocean geyser]

I mean
The Lotus is roughly as tall as Ballas is

[open coral]

isnt ballas also super tall in war within

[proper barn]

how tall is the lotus?

[open coral]

lotus is just also hella tall

[proper barn]

is he not like 7 feet?

[ocean geyser]

Maybe?
Height in this game is weird

Like apparently several warframes are really goddamn tall

[open coral]

complete lack of scale strikes again

[strange turtle]

Probably not no

[ocean geyser]

Yeahhh

Like apparently Chroma’s goddamn 14 feet tall

Everyone else is supposed to be 8-10 feet tall?????

Idk it’s weird

[strange turtle]

But it’s more effort than just going to a a boy body and skipping the genitalia replacement and hormone stuff just to be able to start the process to go back to your normal features

[ocean geyser]

To be fair this is also thousands of years into the future

[proper barn]

they can regrow skin and organs and give people back hearing voice and sight in a instant.

i think their fine.

[ocean geyser]

Rebuilt Frohd Beks Larynx

Although he still sounds like he doesn’t have one

[proper barn]

I am talking about only what loid does to

[ocean geyser]

What’d loid do?

Oh right

[proper barn]

Albretch after he falls out of the bell.

[ocean geyser]

Yeah
Fixed his eyes and ears or something?

[proper barn]

gave him new skin

and fingers and eyes and voice and hearing.

[ocean geyser]

Makes sense

I guess that’s why he stopped being blue

[proper barn]

yeah.

[ocean geyser]

I wonder why Albrecht didn’t want the long arm

[proper barn]

90% of his skin came off.

[ocean geyser]

Ye

[ocean geyser]

Like i know it would have been too weird if he went to Höllvania that way but he didn’t have it before that either, given that old portrait of his

[open coral]

hes is an incredibly noncomformist orokin just in general

[ocean geyser]

That’s fair

[open coral]

he completely foregoes the blue skin when time travelling which does make sense to blend in a little but its kinda uncanny to see a fully human orokin

[ocean geyser]

I imagine that’s why Entrati stuff also looks different compared to the rest of the things the Orokin make

[strange turtle]

Fast and good healing tech doesn’t equate to being able to instantly mutate boobs into pecs and genitalia into the other, even ignoring the other changes that need to happen

And it wasn’t even instant, we aren’t given a timeframe for that

[proper barn]

DID YOU SEE WHAT THE OSTRONS THEY MESS WITH IN THE NABERUS TALE LOOKED LIKE?

That was INSTANT.

LIKE COME ON DAWG

[open coral]

they have incredibly advanced scifi tech, insane control over life, death and living things, and their entire society is based on vanity, they definitely have the ability to do plastic surgery

[silk atlas]

They are just humans with fancy body mods, after all.

[narrow pendant]

his asthetic is like the entire opposite of orokin philosophy & architecture, more gothic, edgy

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[strange turtle]

No, it was within a day

[proper barn]

we can't be doing this.

also THAT'S STILL SO FAST.

[ocean geyser]

It also has a sort of clunkier feel?
Like
All Entrati tech is a bit louder then Orokin stuff

And Tenno stuff by extension (compare orbiter segments to their Backroom variants)

The Arsenal clatters when you use it
The foundry… the foundry is just a little janky

[proper barn]

yeah. also a bunch of the defenses are Fathers tech that he builds for Albretch and Father is a no-nonsense like "USE HAMMER ON OBJECT IT DOESN'T WORK GET A BIGGER HAMMER"

[ocean geyser]

Fair enough

[strange turtle]

I never denied that.

But if they can change their bodies so easily, why not just do that, and choose Yuvans that they can just do whatever they need to get back to how they want to look quick and easy, and then change whenever they fancy.

Hell, keep the Yuvans they think look nice, and Bluva them so the return is even easier

[narrow pendant]

after the void exposure and accidental creation of wally albrecht also decides to no longer do continuity, kinda implied that in the case it is his twin, he hopes it can die when he does but by now we know wally makes twins out of others

[open coral]

completely pointless argument. if you think incredibly advanced socety from bajillions of years in the future and genuine magic tech cant do god damn vaginoplasty idk what to tell you

[ocean geyser]

Didn’t Son also design the Anatomica necramechs?

They seem kind of clunky too

[proper barn]

also like i said before he LOSES SO MUCH BLOOD AND SKIN. and thats' why he looks so different.

[strange turtle]

No, I’m saying why would they want to get vaginoplasty?

[proper barn]

you fall through a glass diving bell

[proper barn]

idk? why would anyone?

[narrow pendant]

albrecht's father made the necramechs, trumna and that other entrati pistol

[proper barn]

to be you.

[proper barn]

no that's not what father means

[open coral]

idk literally any reason. hell, for fun? the orokin are weird and dont need a reason

[strange turtle]

Are you deadass

[proper barn]

@narrow pendant

[open coral]

i wonder eho albrechts wife is

[proper barn]

we don't know

she left or died when Mother was young.

[ocean geyser]

Orokin moment

[vital wolf]

huh??? i thought dagath was entratis daughter

[proper barn]

no? HUH

[open coral]

mother has so many daddy issues but we never hear anything about her mom

[narrow pendant]

in one kim chat conversation its an option to tell that entraties father built the necramech

[proper barn]

WHY WOULD GRANDMOTHER BE HIS DAUGHTER?

[ocean geyser]

Dawg she’s literally the Grandmother

[open coral]

no lol dagath was grandmothers name before she gave it to the warframe

[proper barn]

it's FATHER OF THE ENTRATIES.

[strange turtle]

If they want to be them, then why would they go into the very different Yuvan, instead of just using bluva on whatever poor boy or girl they think looks nice

[proper barn]

not entraties father.

[ocean geyser]

That’d make Albrech a great grandpa or something

[proper barn]

Entrati is their LAST NAME

[vital wolf]

yes i thought grandma was entratis daighter

[narrow pendant]

grandmother used be be called dagath, she gave her name to the frame and is fine with just being called "grandmother"

[open coral]

how

[proper barn]

yes.

[vital wolf]

ik the dagath lore thats just the name on the chart

[proper barn]

I KNOW THAT

[proper barn]

WHY?

mother is the one that talks about him a lot.

[vital wolf]

bc she describes memories of her being young in his lab

oh maybe its mother im thinking of

[proper barn]

omg

[open coral]

lol

[vital wolf]

nvm carry on

[proper barn]

lmao.

grandmother is the bald one

that harms the heart with the necramech in the first place

to get us to help the family.

[twin wigeon]

Fr? Go her ig?

[ocean geyser]

That’s wrong anyway

[proper barn]

you can literally talk to her about it .

[proper barn]

what? THIS IS WHAT WE SAID

WHO DO YOU THINK FATHER IS?

tackles you

[ocean geyser]

Someone literally said Entrati’s dad
Unless that was them saying it wrong

[ocean geyser]

AUGH

[proper barn]

yes. i was saying the message says father "of the entrati family" not entratis father.

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[strange turtle]

It’s like, the first thing she tells you I think. One of those “you meet x requirement so you have to get this out of they way to begin talking normally” dialogues.

[tall echo]

Why did I have a ping here

[ocean geyser]

I was referring to that person anyway

[narrow pendant]

yeah that was me misinterpreting a kim message wrong

[ocean geyser]

Argument on whether or not the Orokin change their bodies after Continuity

It’s still kind of going on actually

[narrow pendant]

tbh to this point i thought grandmother was the mother of mother (wow what a sentence)

[strange turtle]

Not really?

[tall echo]

I wasn't part of that tho huh

[ocean geyser]

I was pinging you to obtain your superior Warframe knowledge

[strange turtle]

Change their bodies to be like their old ones

[ocean geyser]

Yeah that

[tall echo]

Do I qualify as a lore guy now

[strange turtle]

Them just changing their bodies is well established

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[tall echo]

I thought I still had some left to go

[ocean geyser]

To be fair the tism is very good at lore’ing
Hence why I’ve summoned you lmfao

[tall echo]

They probably do that

Nothing specific is stated but the orokin would definitely modify yuvans to look how they used to look or want to look

[twin wigeon]

It was built by his son in law Father?

[ocean geyser]

One of Rodney’s arguments against this was that it wouldn’t make sense because the Orokin deliberately look for Yuvans they like the look of

[ocean geyser]

Yeah, all the Anatomica Necramechs are

As their codexes suggest at least

Father/Vilcor is the weapon guy after all

[tall echo]

They just want to have a good starting point for how they want to look

[tall echo]

The heavy weapons guy

[strange turtle]

Yareli

[ocean geyser]

Although I wouldn’t put it past the Orokin to go “hey this looks neat” and then morph their body till it’s not even reminiscent of the Yuvan at all

[tall echo]

What about yareli

[ocean geyser]

She was Ballas’s Yuvan

Before she pissed him off at least

[tall echo]

How's that a counter argument

[ocean geyser]

I might as well link the start of the conversation

[ocean geyser]

Because she’s a girl and ballas is a guy
The argument is that transitioning back is somehow too much effort

[tall echo]

That's a weak argument

[ocean geyser]

^

[strange turtle]

No

[ocean geyser]

That’s literally what you said dawg

I even linked the message

[open coral]

-# can i make it any more obvious

[ocean geyser]

Lmao huh

[open coral]

just reminded me of a song, ignore me

[ocean geyser]

Oh lol

[twin wigeon]

Based

[strange turtle]

No, I said it was more effort

Not too much

Because why would someone who wants to look like one specific appearance so bad, go through additional effort every single time, when they could just, not

They have bluva (being taken as canon for this argument, since ik that story’s debated), they have surgeries and treatments

[open coral]

because the orokin are bastards

[strange turtle]

They can look however they want, whenever they want, without giving up just going right back to looking the specific way they want

[tall echo]

Maybe the yuvan is closer to the desired appearance despite the different gender

[open coral]

theyre petty and self centered and vain and changing their appearance drastically just to show off that they can is completely in character

[ocean geyser]

So less effort to get to the ideal asthetic?

[tall echo]

Ye

[strange turtle]

So is saying “I think the Orokin just went back to their old appearances” with no backing or source other than vibes, but here we are

[tall echo]

And your point has a source?

I personally also wouldn't specify old appearance, they might get bored of it eventually

We know that ballas at least changed his fashion at some point

[proper barn]

a lot of people thought this.

it's why i have the family tree.

[strange turtle]

And I wouldn’t argue against that, because that’s not just saying that you think they always go back to one specific appearance without any real reason why you think so

[proper barn]

When g-ma says "HER SON" still.

but yes I have the tree image for that.

[strange turtle]

You want a source for bluva?

[open coral]

not what he said

[strange turtle]

Because aside from that none of the things I’ve said have needed a source, I’ve just refuted peoples thoughts on the matter

[normal mountain]

that's one Hek of a typo there

[proper barn]

Is it?

[normal mountain]

but it gives quite the air of disdain

[proper barn]

What part?

[normal mountain]

Albretch

[proper barn]

Oh it's a Made up name like all names

[normal mountain]

Ah
So you just don't like the guy
Got it

Was wondering for a moment

[proper barn]

No I like him as a character

I just have Dsylexia and names don't have real spellings.

[normal mountain]

...forgive me, but misspelling his name to include the word "retch"
-as in to gag or vomit-
Really doesn't give the impression you like him

But I can understand dyslexia issues
That makes sense

[tall echo]

It's not intentional

[normal mountain]

Dyslexia is the issue
That was made clear

and a lifetime of insulting nicknames will make one sensitive to such misspellings

[proper barn]

Yee

[open coral]

i mean hes not exactly the hero of this story

[normal mountain]

I like him enough
But he's starting to remind me of a quote I've come to hate
"You can be a good guy, or you can be the guy who saves the world. You can't be both."

which is BS in my opinion, but whatever

[open coral]

i mean its not wrong

if you gotta to fight the war, people are gonna die

cecil steadman is just something of a badly written moral greyness

the story wants you to think everything he does is "necessary" for his job when it isnt really

[normal mountain]

Eh, I found the writing decent
He just annoys me on the fact that he's almost given up on morality altogether

But I don't like talking about him

[open coral]

sorry why are you acting like these fictional characters have performed some personal act of violence against you 💀

[tall echo]

Maybe they have

[open coral]

entrati broke into my house and kicked my dog

[tall echo]

I have an intense personal hatred for some game characters

[tall echo]

*helminthed my dog

[open coral]

my dog is now a supersoldier what do i do

[normal mountain]

I like Entrati
I just don't like how some characters (ahem, Lettie) expect me to hate him just because he tricked her

[tall echo]

Almost all the hex have some kinda iffy bits about their writing imo

I've discovered today that quincy for some reason has the "unnecessary 3rd act conflict" cliche when you try to date him through convo

[open coral]

i wouldnt call it unnecessary. hes clearly making up reasons to avoid it due to personal insecurities

[tall echo]

It's very sudden and unprecedented

[open coral]

its also only through one dialogue option iirc

[tall echo]

flirts in first convo
gets flirted at back 15 convos later
"How dare you"

[restive river]

“smh didnt you know I was play flirting” -quincy, probably (but with poorer grammar)

[tall echo]

I'm reconsidering my decision to romance him this loop bc of that convo

[restive river]

LMAO

DANG
SYSTEM’S A LIL TOO REAL

[tall echo]

It annoyed me a lot

[restive river]

Do what’s best

[tall echo]

Like seriously, there's nothing implying he'd react offensive-defensively until that convo

why

[open coral]

which convo is it? im trying to find it on kimulacrum

[tall echo]

The one where he wants you to make him hate you

Ironic, as it made me hate him instead

[open coral]

?? i found that quite endearing

and also very in character????

and also he does that whether you romance him or not ._.

its the prerequisite for all of his rank 5 convos

[tall echo]

It's a specific romance-only option in the convo

[open coral]

i theres like 2 quincydating bools here and they both lead to the same outcome just with him calling you babes

and the quincyromance bools just change his first message about cashing in favours

[tall echo]

Ugh look I don't use kimulacrum, the convo option shows up before DATING dating him but after trying to tell him you like him

[fossil cosmos]

What mission triggers the man in the wall doppleganger?

[proper barn]

what do you mean?

@fossil cosmos be more specific and i can tell you. like where are you in the story?

[strange plinth]

iirc he's scripted to show up after the sacrifice (but doesn't sometimes)
otherwise, he's allowed to show up after chains of harrow

[earnest sapphire]

Any theories on what Parvos will do to fully reclaim the Corpus faction?

[proper barn]

nothing.

he's still terrible.

Like Oh he's gonna make Corpus like better and by that he means more effienctly evil.

but even then like he can't lead all the corpus

cuz they are all different companies in it.

[earnest sapphire]

I found Nef Anyo

[proper barn]

what?

i also hate nef.

[strange plinth]

he'd prolly just take a seat at the head of the board and refuse to leave

[proper barn]

but you realize this is like Starscream and Megatron right? @earnest sapphire

whoever wins wants to rule the evil organization and it make it even more evil right?

like he acts like a mob boss when he asks us to work with him. Like he says "hey work with me or i'll kill your family" like you can't tell me that isn't EVIL MOB BOSS. also all his tenets are lie cheat steal do whatever you want. @earnest sapphire

ALSO IN THE DEADLOCK PROTOCAL HE PRETENDS TO BE A WEAK OLD MAN ASKING FOR HELP.

then he tries to kill everyone.

[swift gyro]

is the 1999 gang able to go past the year 1999? like, in the original ´´script´´ without the drifter participation, they were supposed to die there, but since we helped them to fix the problem, did that made possible to go past the 1999 year? if no, is there an way to bring them from 1999 to the future with us?

[proper barn]

probably. at some point.

Oh i meant

[swift gyro]

with kaya isnt that possible?

[proper barn]

the first part. the second part is werid.

Cuz yeah kaya did it and the rest of them could maybe do it

but idk if they would want to?

[swift gyro]

i mean, in the chat we see that some chars really would like to see the ´´good´´ part of the future,so i suppose that at least 2-3 of them would go directly to the future.

[proper barn]

it's very odd.

[swift gyro]

also, does the young and the old version of us coexist in the same reality? or they just met when they are in the void?

[proper barn]

yes and no.

they both "exist" but just only 1 can be in the universe at once it seems.

[strange plinth]

operator and drifter?
both exist, but they can't occupy the same "slot" in spacetime
one watches from a void pocket while the other does stuff. can make thoughts and feelings known to the other but no other interaction
exceptions are extreme circumstances, like their first meeting in the zariman and during lotus eaters
obv drifter going to 1999 isn't occupying the same "slot" anymore. different time

[earnest sapphire]

Drifter on a dating frenzy while the Operator is busy trying to find a way to Tau

[proper barn]

well not trying to find a way to tau

more re-living warcrimes.

[strange plinth]

yea there's the source

[blissful merlin]

Had to dig deep but found it eventually lol

[strange plinth]

was about to post it as well

[blissful merlin]

Also regarding this a bit-

[earnest sapphire]

I mean we are going to Tau somewhere in 2026

[proper barn]

@earnest sapphire closer to this.

[swift gyro]

i asked that cuz i am using the kimulacrum to see all the variables of chats and one with a char i forgot .-., asked about the other version of us, operator/drifter, Saying that would be cool to talk with other variety of us.

[strange plinth]

love this comment lmao

[proper barn]

well drifter talks about them a bit. But Old peace is gonna be all about them.

cuz it can't be about drifter.

[swift gyro]

i mean, they were the ´´same´´ person till made diferrent decisions and end up turning into ´´two´´ people. but drifter seems like had a ´´better´´ life than the operator from the moment they were created

[proper barn]

idk if that's true.

[blissful merlin]

Yea Idk about that…lol

[proper barn]

they died every day for like 1000 years

probably longer. they where literally in dispair.

[blissful merlin]

And had to relive trauma over and over and over again

[proper barn]

yeah.

[strange plinth]

i'd question the better bit
very different traumas
drifter got stuck in a timeloop that ended with their death, and died thousands of times
operator got war crimes and child soldier stuff, which we're still learning the depths of

[swift gyro]

i cant exactly word it exactly like i read bcs english is not my main language, so it might make things hard to understand.

[proper barn]

they talk about in the kim chat that like they only way they got out

was to start feeling emotions again.

[earnest sapphire]

We’re gonna be in December in a blink of an eye for that Old Peace update

[proper barn]

also it's really really hard

[blissful merlin]

Even accidentally creating trauma for themselves when trying to retreat from current trauma. Like drifter had it FREAKIN ROUGH

[proper barn]

to compare trauma.

and i don't like doing it.

let's just say they both had a lot of trauma and we are gonna learn about the operators trauma during the old war soon.

[swift gyro]

both of them had those characters developments hitting harder than life ngl.

[blissful merlin]

Yea also that. Every persons experience and trauma is their own. Nobody will experience it the same way they do. It’s hard to compare.

[swift gyro]

i rlly liked how DE created chats with the 1999 chars, hope they update more of it, super cool thing about warframe .

[humble sierra]

It's very likely the new Devil's Triad Protoframes will be using the same system, as they were confirmed to be romance options

[tall echo]

Well it technically literally won't use the same system

[strange plinth]

i'm curious what they did to the system to make Kimulacrum not work anymore
or, rather, disable kimulacrum as a side effect. didn't sound like they did it on purpose

[swift gyro]

Me buying an real sized statue of mommy eleanor just to play her phrases on youtube

[tall echo]

[swift gyro]

daddy arthur then?

[tall echo]

Cease

[celest needle]

Is the Stalker technically a prime?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684050432565182477/1253199881506394164/cat-1-1.gif

Cuz if so why doesn't he look like a prime like how Umbra does

[strange plinth]

nah, he would be a base frame based on his appearance
never earned it, i suppose. kinda funny. orokin lapdog denied promotion

[tall echo]

No, why would he?

[celest needle]

The Stalker we know has been around since the Collapse

[tall echo]

So what, every other frame has been too

Some had to earn priming, others were primed from the start

[celest needle]

But the Stalker doesn't seem to have been technically primed; he's the only Stalker we know and has just been. I think Prime's the wrong word here, so sorry about that, but just a frame that just cannot be primed?

[tall echo]

He's just a normal frame

[restive river]

We actually know of one other Stalker but their origin is unknown
But yeah Stalker’s just a normal frame, if he had a prime design made we have yet to see it

[tall echo]

What?

[narrow pendant]

do you mean acolytes

[restive river]

Duviri Stalker

[strange plinth]

duviri stalker prolly?

[restive river]

We have nothing on Duviri stalker other than
“An ally from an unknown time and place. Stalker is a powerful force within the shadows.”

[hazy prism]

wait Duviri stalker and Stalker (Sorren) are different?

[proper barn]

Maybe

[brittle siren]

did Nokko sacrifice himself to save Nightcap?

[brittle siren]

My headcanon of Duviri Stalker is when he is sleeping, and we borrow him to slaughter the enemies

[hazy prism]

tbh I saw the "unknown time" meaning that this is a future stalker where they are just an ally to the tenno or at least our operator/drifter

which post jade shadows, I don't see why the Stalker wouldn't be at this point

[strange plinth]

could be
though it isn't protector stalker, so that one doesn't have jade's essence

[restive river]

I think another important aspect is the unknown place

Which alongside time to me implies he ain’t our Stalker

[austere moon]

Does Hydroid have any lore?

[strange plinth]

his deluxe skin has some
rivalry with sevagoth deluxe iirc
but not much beyond that

[humble sierra]

I know his deluxe skin has lore with Sevagoth's deluxe skin

[strange plinth]

don't remember if his prime trailer had anything important

[hazy prism]

speaking of deluxe skins, are they like canon? like the events mentioned actually happen?

[brittle siren]

Only some of them is canon
Like Yareli Deluxe

[strange plinth]

yea pandea gets referenced in
uhh
reaper's lament?

[hazy prism]

so like Gersemi Valk being the pre Zanuka non-prime Valk

[brittle siren]

also anyone know the answer to this

[brittle siren]

yeah but is it a Deluxe skin though?

[strange plinth]

yea
without looking at all of them, i think its case-by-case

[hazy prism]

makes sense, I knew Nemesis Nyx and Proto-frame Excalibur aren't canon, but the rest have some wiggle room

[hazy prism]

yes, Gersemi is a deluxe skin, one of the earliest ones in fact

[strange plinth]

i don't think he did, but its possible ig
we don't see him around, but that's not much evidence in either direction

[brittle siren]

Um Proto frame? You mean the Gemini Arthur skin or the actual proto

[strange plinth]

the skin is called Proto-Armor
which gets confusing with the protoframes yes
but they're separate

[brittle siren]

oh ic

[restive river]

The “actual proto” skins are just references to dark sector and thus not canon
Just for fun

Meanwhile the protoframes and 1999 is a homage to dark sector and is canon

[brittle siren]

also Nezha Deluxe could be canon, due to his Syandana is canon object

[restive river]

Any deluxe that features in the Leverian should be canon too

[hazy prism]

that actually the best distinction

[restive river]

Time to go on a trip to the museum

[brittle siren]

Voruna going to have a Deluxe soon right?

[hazy prism]

yes, Voruna is getting a Deluxe

[strange plinth]

concept reveal
dunno if they said anything about if/when it releases

[brittle siren]

ah I almost forgot, does the Heirloom considered to be canon?

[restive river]

Likely unknown, they have cool descriptions though

[hazy prism]

Probably also a case by case basis

[restive river]

I know the sentient mesa and volt skins are neat what ifs

[narrow pendant]

id assume old peace

or gyre prime release

[narrow pendant]

1999 era efervon missile launcher vs hundrets if not thousands of years of innovation warmachine
curious...

(ik its for gameplay purposes but we all would like to imagine ballas seething and malding)

[odd prairie]

it is enhanced via zombie goo

[open coral]

ok but how DO the acolytes get to 1999

[strange plinth]

at this point are the acolytes even canon in their current form
their presence there is prolly just gameplay > lore

[open coral]

the acolytes have barely any lore regardless

who the hell are they? why do they all have the same helmet? why are their abilities all mixed up?

actually on that note whats up with stalker? how come jade is her own frame but stalker is just a glorified excalibur

[strange plinth]

yea the acolyte lore is basically just 'want to kill alad v, we killed them instead' and everything else is their appearance in steel path
don't have a lore explanation for stalker being Old Excalibur Model With Different Helmet

[open coral]

they also still have some of their old dialogue about alad

i guess you could recontextualise it to be about teshin?

[pale cedar]

You can’t because they never met Teshin

[mystic lynx]

I think Ballas just really like the Excalibur design

So he makes like 3 different things based on Excal

[open coral]

actually whats even up with steel path

[strange turtle]

From their lines, maybe they’re similar to Stalker? Low Guard or similar turned to Warframes as a punishment? Under the command of Stalker due to seniority?

[open coral]

how does it make any sense

[mystic lynx]

Who? Excal?

[open coral]

no the acolytes

[strange plinth]

teshin is calling them to let them know you're coming, at least for regular missions. dunno about void/murmur/1999 and prolly some other exceptions

[pale cedar]

Gameplay

[open coral]

maybe its like dragon keys. teshin shoves a key in your warframe and so you deal less damage (gameplay wise they're higher level) idk why that would make more loot drop but idk

[strange plinth]

i wouldn't hate this if it was canon ig
damn stalker can get a whole squad but can't get primed

[pale cedar]

We killed the Primers

[open coral]

primed stalker

[violet storm]

Thermian rpgs just be built different

[open coral]

if ballas ever comes back, somehow, it would be very funny to see him meet stalker and seduce him into letting ballas prime him

[digital grail]

Stalker would kill him stalker hates orokin

[open coral]

doesnt he hate the tenno for killing the orokin

[pale cedar]

Yes

He hates we killed the Orokin which removed his only chance of getting his wife and child back

[tall echo]

Bruh

[heavy wharf]

So stupid question , how do we mod the Protoframes? I just imagined the Operator/Drifter slapping them with Endo and I think that's pretty funny

[tall echo]

How do we mod regular frames?

Answer is we don't know how mods actually get used

[pale cedar]

They’re unmodded anyway

[ocean geyser]

Idk them guns doing some crazy damage last i checked

[strange turtle]

~~1999 is the Advanced Ancient Civilisation of Warframe ~~

“We do not have the technology to build ferrocite barricades today”

[narrow pendant]

albrecht didnt give the protos any guidance about their abilities because that would make it harder for him to pull off the reactor explosion

hydrogen bomb lex prime vs coughing baby unmodded amir

[ocean geyser]

Amir didn’t even know how to use a Parazon lmao

[north jolt]

So we just need to bring them all back copies of PSF and then we can easing defeat Wally

[pale cedar]

If you wanna defeat Wally just CE him dead it isn’t that hard trust me

[digital grail]

...I said something stupid didn't I.

[silk atlas]

Couldn't be more wrong if you tried. He's disparagingly called an Orokin lapdog

[digital grail]

Im so freaking stupid

[ocean geyser]

Hmm
I wonder if we’ll get a standard grineer variant of the Gotva Prime/Aeolak

I mean, sure, they probably wouldn’t know how to make it anymore but an attempt would be cool

[open coral]

actually what the hell are mods? teshin implies that they're advanced orokin technology but like... what am i doing to my weapons?? are they just shoving new parts in?

and why are tenno orbiters fitted with a mod station if its supposed to be a rare item?

lotus seems to be really suprised that we got our hands on one, so does the average tenno not have this?

and why is literally everyone selling us mods if mod segments are so rare?

[silk atlas]

There's nothing that elaborates on what mods are or how they work in lore

[humble sierra]

A lot of mods, presumably, are exactly what they're telling you they are. "Hollowed rounds", "serration", "redirection", etc.

Actually modifying the items physically for a desired result.

The more weird ones I'm just gonna chalk up to being sentient adaptation tech or something to warp the fundamentals of physics

[strange turtle]

Yeah I think there’s like, a line from maybe Calavero that implies something like the first bit

[heady quest]

I mean the Orbiters are Tenno Stations which if you think about it the orokin probably build them to make it easier to deploy a Tenno in combat. So it isn’t all that farfetched they installed all the best technology like the mod station and foundry.

As for mods I am sure the Grineer and Corpus both reverse engineered the tech for their own uses and it developed much beyond the original mod tech cause of the time in between current day and the old war so

Kinda how Alad reverse engineered orokin tech for his moas and made those big moas (I don’t remember what they are called) and also just the continued research on Warframes that he was doing or still is

So maybe that could be the reason there are so many other types of mods cause maybe the factions tried to make something for there own?

I found it also weird that in the quest we just randomly found a mod station somewhere in the middle of nowhere?? Like I thought it was a Tenno tech thing and only build in Orbiters but I guess they have stand alone stations too?

[hollow siren]

Orokin ruins

[silk atlas]

He does not have anything that talks about mods

[open coral]

me warping space and time to make my bullets deal more damage with the power of racism

[heady quest]

It still looks pretty weird to just find one in the open like that

[silk atlas]

Would've been cool if Teacher did anything for the lore of mods

[open coral]

wouldve been cool if teacher explained anything other than the fact that elements... uh exist

i was expecting a full refresher on elements, damage vulnerabilities, status effects and crit chance

[ocean geyser]

I think Mods are just applying a Conceptual Embodiment onto your weapon or something

[ocean geyser]

Bursas?

[open coral]

fusion moas

[ocean geyser]

Oh yeah

[silk atlas]

...no

[heady quest]

Yes those

[heady quest]

Probably more starter quests coming

[ocean geyser]

I’m just theorizing bro

[open coral]

warframe will finally have a functioning tutorial in 2047

[silk atlas]

Yeah and I can say why that's a shaky theory because mods existed long before CE was even a concept, and that isn't how CE works anyway

[heady quest]

I feel like this was enough to make someone curious to see what other combos you can make cause remember the next few quests like once awake talked about heat for example being good for infested so instilling that curiousity before it will make new players experiment with the heat mod too and then further and further

[silk atlas]

Just because you're theorizing doesn't mean you can't just throw random things at the wall and just leave it there like someone can't point out why it wouldn't make sense

[heady quest]

But yeah not talking about crit or multishot is a waste

[ocean geyser]

Would you mind explaining how it wouldn’t make sense then

[silk atlas]

Because all the times CE has been shown off, it has been an uncontrolled and unconscious process to make things, and that specific concept of the Void has not been shown to alter items put into it, let alone with such broad consistency

[ocean geyser]

I see

[silk atlas]

If it were that easy then the Orokin would've just exploited the hell out of it lol

[ocean geyser]

Fair enough lmao

Also now I’m wondering

Is the Thornbak a Railjack Dax weapon? I know the purple is really shiny but it sorta matches the colours every other way

[open coral]

i think it would be cool if you could go back to teshin and he has an introductory course for all of the weapon mechanics. completely optional tutoral that you're heavily encouraged to do. maybe you get some small but substantial reward out of completely all of his challenges, like an armor set idk

[heady quest]

Yeah that would be awesome

[open coral]

would also be fun if said introductory course was also accessible as like an ingame aim trainer or smth lmao

because the simulacrum is nice but its only useful for testing damage numbers

[silk atlas]

At most they just needed to show the basic DMG, CC, and element mods for guns and a couple of the ability WF mods for an actual tutorial. That's all, really

[ocean geyser]

I mean
Spreading the tutorial out into several quests seems neat

[silk atlas]

That too

[open coral]

honestly wouldn't be difficult to make an advanced tutorial. plop you in teshin's dojo (or i guess a simulation of it since it blew up), put teshin in one corner, you talk to him to start a certain tutorial, and he just spouts voice lines at you and some spheres pop up

it neednt be incredibly in depth, players just need to understand the mechanics

[ocean geyser]

Or just expand his part of the relay

[open coral]

the important ones are probably crit chance/damage/headshots, status change/status effects and damage vulnerabilities on enemy types

[ocean geyser]

All bro does is stand on a fake mountain all day
Might as well give him a place to train us

[open coral]

lmao that too

[hollow siren]

well, the Conclave is supposed to be that place

emphasis on supposed

[open coral]

the conclave is completely abandoned >->

[ocean geyser]

😔

It’s a shame since the R5 skins are cool

[hollow siren]

yep, many of the cosmetics are

I really like the lower tiers of Riv-guard armor

[open coral]

i think honestly conclave should completely change course to stuff more akin to face off

and fix the matchamking

[hollow siren]

Face-off is still broken

[open coral]

yeah but at least faceoff is fun

and playable

[hollow siren]

it's not fun when one person leaves/disconnects and you get no standing

[pale cedar]

It isn’t playable because nobody is playing it

[open coral]

thats honestly a way easier issue to fix than literally the entirely unplayable state of conclave

[open coral]

its playable at certain times of day

maybe there should be like pvp events. make it an alert that appears regularly, two teams race to finish two opposite sides of an invasion mission or something

idk

[hollow siren]

Invasions are kinda that already, just that losing side also gets their reward

[open coral]

yeah but this would be real time and you could have faceoff shenanigans

or bring back clan wars in a less hostile form

[pale cedar]

There is the Tennobaum Conclave event

[ocean geyser]

The huh

[hollow siren]

yeah Conclave has a snowball fight event for Tennobaum

[ocean geyser]

👀

[open coral]

its a snowball fight lmao

its not very well advertised so, like everything else, no one plays it

[ocean geyser]

They should start advertising this thing like Dog Days

[hollow siren]

few even know about it, and most who do just ignore it

[ocean geyser]

It sounds like it’d be fun

[hollow siren]

Tennobaum version of dog days where we have a snowball fight against Nef's Brokers on Neptune

[ocean geyser]

Would be peak

[golden raptor]

did ballas make the non prime warframes? were tenno in the old war assigned specific warframes or did they have access to all warframes at the time?

or, if i'm assuming that warframes are mass produced, is it possible for "quirks" or "imperfections" to manifest from warframe to warframe, like one tenno's exalted blade is slightly shorter than the other

[silk atlas]

He oversaw the making of all Warframes. Primes and normal ones were both used in the Orokin Era

[golden raptor]

like some kind of warframe equivalent of clone rot

[pale cedar]

Ballas made Umbra who isn’t a prime frame

[golden raptor]

so primes were only assigned to like, higher "class" tenno?

[pale cedar]

“Primes were reserved for the Prime Vanguard. The best of the best, and the rest... are adequate, I guess. If you're satisfied with merely adequate."

[silk atlas]

Pretty much.

To answer the next possible question, no, Primes were not always the first nor upgrade of the base model. It was a mix of that.

[golden raptor]

is the main tenno the only tenno? or due to eternalism, we're ALL the "main" tenno?

ok the first question was kinda poorly phrased

[pale cedar]

We are all the main Tenno

In our quests

[golden raptor]

can Rell be the main tenno as well, due to eternalism?

[pale cedar]

No

Rell is dead and we can’t access the timeline where he would be the main character

Eternalism is mostly theoretically accessible

[golden raptor]

so, theoretically, if another tenno were to be present in the main questline, then that tenno could also be theoretically the main tenno due to eternalism?

[pale cedar]

Drifter is also the main character

And is a product of eternalism

[golden raptor]

i see

[opaque zenith]

So, my take for the answers are:
1- Yes (technicaly the lead designer only, considering Silvana and Titania);
2- Yes, but just because they though they were the actual frames during the dream period (no idea for the time before, but Jade had only one operator for the whole time);
3- Yes, They're mass produced, but anything Orokin designed tend to be "perfect" so alterations seems less likeky, except the diferent mod builds

[pale cedar]

We don’t know frames were mass produced as nothing says this

[golden raptor]

so, technically, all warframes are "made" and there are no instances of "new" warframes yet?

[opaque zenith]

TLDR: yes to all, but small " * " on everything

[pale cedar]

We can’t create new types of Warframes

We make a copy of an existing frame via replication but only Orokin know how to make new frames

[opaque zenith]

Yep, relics are literaly recovering the already made prime blueprints with quantum/eternalism shenanigans

[golden raptor]

so all warframes that have been released so far were models that the orokin have already made in the past, and have just resurfaced. gotcha.

Did the helminth system exist in the old war?

[strange turtle]

No

[strange turtle]

Wait no I misunderstood

[pale cedar]

"Void relics, what a baffling concept. Ordis will try to understand Void relics again: They say the contents of a relic are simultaneously this thing, or this thing, or this thing, but also that thing, and never just one of thing. That is, until… until it's exposed to a Void fissure? And, at that point, all the possibilities collapse, each one falling away until the relic cracks open and exposes one, singular thing. And at that moment, that thing becomes the only thing the relic ever contained?! Pfft… WHAT A LOAD OF— Ordis prefers known quantities, thank you very much."

[strange turtle]

By helminth system you mean like, our helminth in the ship and the subsuming?

[golden raptor]

yeah that

[ocean geyser]

Alright i forgot about Mods being created by Samodeus

My bad

[opaque zenith]

Not quite, Albrech can technicaly make one frame on recent times, since he made Qorvex and Oraxia before and it's still alive

[ocean geyser]

The only question now is how he does it 🤔

[opaque zenith]

And Revenant/Xaku/Temple just droped out of nowhere to give balls a middle finger or wtv

[strange turtle]

I don’t think so? The way the Helminth reacts when given the segments makes it seem like the functions are new to it, rather than them being removed by Grineer like other systems

[golden raptor]

did the orokin have access to duviri? how did kullervo end up there?

[opaque zenith]

No. And just trown in the general Void, got there by cheer (un)luck

[strange turtle]

Revenant Prime dropped out of nowhere, and wasn’t recognisable because it’s a modified design of “The Warden”, Xaku was reassembled from three unknown warframes lost by the Entrati, and Temple was designed by Ballas, he just decided it was way too like, conceptually rebellious

[opaque zenith]

Correct, that's the long answer

[golden raptor]

oh so basically "warden" is a completely different warframe that got morphed into the revenant we know?

[strange turtle]

Not completely, but yeah

[golden raptor]

is umbra the only warframe with a "person" inside of it? or is that just how warframes are made?

[ocean geyser]

The Vitruvian shows that’s how warframes are made

Umbra isn’t really the exception

[silk atlas]

That's all Warframes

[ocean geyser]

But, to clarify
That doesn’t mean we steal people off planets to make new warframes

The Helminth and foundry just clones their flesh

[restive river]

Not just their flesh!
Everything

We replicate their minds
That’s how good the foundry is!

Which yes it’s specifically the foundry, helminth likely assists yes but the foundry is just capable of doing that

The Orokin, the most gaudy fashion sense but the best biotech like. Ever

[strange turtle]

According to Cordylon it’s just the foundry

Organic components are difficult to construct and even more tedious to properly store for future use. The Foundry, while capable of replicating natural and synthetic materials such as fabric or metals, is not properly equipped for the growth of organic life. This also does not take into consideration the complications in growing 'living' subjects – a point of difficulty the Grineer have long tried to overcome.

Infested tissue is the only known exception to this parameter, as it can be easily grown and thrives in any environment

[restive river]

Ye that’s what I meant by it can just do that

It makes sense if Helminth assisted and I believe Cordylon saying that was before we knew more but the foundry is just
really good at what it does

[strange turtle]

imagining the foundry being able to handle it at first because they’re simple but as the warframes get more complex and weird Helminth has to start stepping in

[woven coyote]

Did the helminth even exist in game when cordylon gave that answer?

[opaque zenith]

There was the dentist chair since Nidus release iirc, but need to crossearch the Cordylon and Nidus release time to be sure

[restive river]

I remember when there was a bed in that room

[proper barn]

I think this about how we make warframes with the foundry and how they "keep" their memories like umbra.

[woven coyote]

Read rodney's message along with cordylon's quote
"According to cordylon its just the foundry"

Depending on when helminth launched that quote could simply be because we didnt have the helminth

[strange turtle]

Ask a cephalon was 2015

[proper barn]

i mean it still needs to explain how the foundry copies warframes in a way that preversers their memories if they have any while not using a body.

[strange turtle]

Helminth was added end of 2016

[woven coyote]

So there is a possibility helminth is indeed involved in the warframe crafting process, including the memory part and it's not just the foundry alone

[open coral]

the original warframes were made like that. modern frames are duplicates off their designs

ballas kinda has a track record of "creating" a new warframe because someone peeved him off

[hollow siren]

Yep, sometimes said someone is not even the frame. He made Grendel out of spite cause other Orokin were complaining that his Warframes were more focused on form over function

"Oh my Warframes are too pretty and vain? Fine have a gross slob"

[ocean geyser]

Ballas heard them talking shit so he made a meatball

Or as someone else said “poop ball frame”

[open coral]

he also made the first yareli because a yuvan called him out for being a horrible person

[open coral]

and whats up with rev prime? the prime trailer basically boils down to "the hell is this thing??" so like who made it? why does it exist?

[ocean geyser]

The Unum, maybe?

[tall echo]

That's the point

[open coral]

i get that thats the point but ballas not knowing doesnt excuse it from being a plot mystery

[tall echo]

Rev p being unexplained is the point

[open coral]

thats

[tall echo]

He should not exist yet he does

[open coral]

dumb

[tall echo]

Best guess is void ejected him at ballas out of spite

[open coral]

"a wizard did it" ❌
"the void did it" ⭕

[silk atlas]

And there's no explanation, that's why it's a mystery lol

[silent tundra]

What do Corpus say instead of “ for gods sake “ or “ oh my god “

Like… for credits sake or smth?

[feral cape]

Void

[pale cedar]

For Voids sake

[violet storm]

By the void

[feral cape]

For some reason the Corpus have a fanaticism with the void

[pale cedar]

Well Nef Corpus does

Dunno about the others

[silent tundra]

I’m thinking specifically for Protea

[woven coyote]

The reason is nef

There was a whole operation where he started the whole void cult thing

Bursas were iirc mobile armed donation boxes

[silent tundra]

What about before the Granum void

Before Nef and all that

[strange turtle]

Reminds me of the heavily armed mobile confessional booths in arknights

[woven coyote]

Nef doesnt actually know much about the void
Like his claims about the void wanting order during the nokko bounties

He's just using the name for his cult

[silent tundra]

Doesn’t Parvos take over

[woven coyote]

Lol

[silent tundra]

After the event of the Deadlock protocol

[woven coyote]

The corpus arent that monolithic

Nef clearly still does his own thing in venus

Parvos is doing whatever he does

Aladv is suspiciously quiet

[strange turtle]

Recruit 1000s of sisters ig

[silent tundra]

Doesn’t he have no more influential power over the Corpus?

Since the infestation and stuff

[strange turtle]

Gregory V on the other hand

[silent tundra]

He can have mine /j

[woven coyote]

He still has jupiter, because he uses it leading up to the new war

The whole amalgam thing with the rolypoly

[silent tundra]

Interesting, so Venus for Nef and Jupiter for Alad but all other corpus shenanigans for Parvos?

[woven coyote]

Then new war
Then weird silence

[woven coyote]

Considering parvos treasurers spawn on corpus ships i would image at the very least the ships

[silent tundra]

So the air fleets huh

[woven coyote]

But we havent seen him proper claim a planet yet

[strange turtle]

I figured those were just like

A standard thing for the corpus

[woven coyote]

Oh and darvo's father with pluto maybe? The ambulas factories

[woven coyote]

Very likely too

[silent tundra]

I wonder what the corpus was like during Parvos’s time

[strange turtle]

Since the whole thing with the coins and golden hands happens before he’s even released

[woven coyote]

But at the same time each one of the known big wigs clearly focuses their operations in certain places, except parvos

[silent tundra]

I believe Parvos was worshiped as a god even before he escaped

[woven coyote]

And again even if parvos has a lot of influence the corpus arent exactly monolithic

[strange turtle]

Probably more openly cooperative and behind the scenes cutthroat, and also more “friendly” in regards to social mobility, at least on the surface, considering the stuff in the Tenets

[silent tundra]

I unfortunately picked the time right after the deadlock protocol to write a fanfiction and now I gotta go into the lore books about old Corpus

https://tenor.com/view/cat-holding-head-cat-sad-cat-rahh-wahhhh-gif-11843610789762008433

[strange turtle]

Kinda funny that Nef gets a planet while Frohd just has Pluto, a dwarf

Like they both definitely own a bunch more, and Venus isn’t actually that “big” since so much of it isn’t actually usable but still

[silent tundra]

What about “ for desires sake, “ since that was what Parvos apparently set the Corpus up on back then

Desire is also capitalized when he talked about it so

[silent tundra]

Wiki says he has all space control apparently

[strange turtle]

I think “For Granum’s sake” fits better but desire is a close second

[silent tundra]

In my fanfiction Protea is trying to separate herself from the Corpus identity and forge a new. Thank you for the insight

[woven coyote]

Well much like my assumptions on the matter, most of the wiki is just speculation

Also the whole what's the corpus warcry conversation reminded me of that old profit + growth = grofit trailer

https://youtu.be/76pK9G8CVP0?si=MVyQXMemKCGBA49p

[silent tundra]

Oh?

[woven coyote]

Yeah the wiki pages are written by players and so are prone to interpretations

The part of the wiki you can generally be sure of are the quotes and transcripts

[stiff beacon]

probably a bit more unified then the board is now

like everyone followed what parvos said but did some *&#$ on the side

[open coral]

so, ballas stabs our tenno in new war, and casts them into the void, but where were literally all of the other tenno during this? did he painstakingly hunt down every last tenno and throw them into the void?

[hollow blaze]

Technically stabbed too? All of the tenno kinda represent different multiverses I'd presume, so stabbing one = stabbing everyone? At least that's my interepretation that doesn't make my brain explode.

[open coral]

but multiple tenno do also exist within each universe. there was 300k+ kids on the zariman

[stiff fable]

It's either void spookiness or pure economics

[open coral]

the multiverse shenanigans are just who exactly is the main character

[stiff fable]

The Tenno can't destroy a single faction head on

Thus the Tenno can't destroy ALL the factions head on

[open coral]

how long were the tenno out for? months? years?

the ventkids dont seem to have aged but idk

[strange turtle]

Ventkids and Nakak haven’t seemed to age that much, and the impact of Narmer was so minimal that things have went (mostly) right back to how they were beforehand aside from the presence of the reduced Narmer as a faction

So presumably just months or maybe up to couple years at most, rather than something like the time initially suggested by the Drifter/Operator fakeout

[gilded sky]

T_T good times

[normal mountain]

Lol, just heard a new Nora quote talking about Nef exterminating the mushrooms under Fortuna

Didn't catch the whole thing, but she ends it with "If you ask me, someone needs to show Nef where he can shove his new palace."
(From memory, so probably not exact quote)

[worthy frigate]

Yo they said Old Peace is part of forgotten history and not an alternate timeline yeah?

[tall echo]

Yes.

[proper barn]

Yes

[worthy frigate]

Ty

[restive river]

It’s specifically us exploring locked away memories, kinda similar to the War Within but more intense

[worthy frigate]

Right, is there a clip of the devs talking about it. Im tryna tell this person its not an alternate timeline lol

[restive river]

It’s shown in the demo lmao

Like
We take a dream bath and boom, memories of tau we forgot

[worthy frigate]

Yeah I get that but not some people lol

[restive river]

Which us uncovering memories that were locked isn’t new, see the war within
It’s just we get to actually play them

[restive river]

Yeahh

[worthy frigate]

I think ik for a fact Reb said somewhere its not alternate timeline but forgotten past

Im tryna find that

[restive river]

AWAKEN THE PAST
Those halcyon days long turned to ash, now preserved in clearest resin. This exhibit commemorates our glorious landing on Tau: that deep and beautiful shore, that greatest Orokin project, now darkened to our light with the ignoble sabotage of its Solar Rail.

https://www.warframe.com/the-old-peace

I mean an easy thing to do with someone who’s just being stubborn is ask them to provide evidence for what they’re saying, actual concrete evidence
Which
There isn’t any for it being some alt timeline, that “theory” is based on a misinterpretation of one of Loid’s lines at most

The whole point of the quest is, for whatever reason, while Drifter is doing 1999 junk the Operator with the help of Loid and Lotus is rediscovering sealed memories that will be important somehow

[worthy frigate]

True and exactly, that 1 dialogue has blinded people from seeing what is actually going on explicitly

[restive river]

Yup, I’d just ask for solid evidence that isn’t an off line and also show them the literal website that says “AWAKEN THE PAST” lmao

Like it’s right there guys, Warframe isn’t always as complicated as some make it to be

[tall echo]

It never is

[restive river]

It depends
Some things are def more complex to some and not to others, there is a level of understanding

The primary thing is things are often times just vague

Like I know some people have been confused on the 1999 loop for example, it’s not outright explained unless you do KIM
Heck how we got to 1999 isn’t explained beyond KIM

Before Kaya how we got there was really vague

[tall echo]

A lot of the things ppl get confused about can be occam's razor'd I think

[restive river]

Ye

[chrome geyser]

So I was wondering why Protea has a Deluxe called 'Protea Caladrius', as, in Roman Myth / Christian Bestiaries…

…the Caladrius is a sacred bird, a relative of the Phoenix, who tends to Kings, ensuring their health by taking the King's disease into themself and flying to the Sun, cleansing its own body by burning the illness away.

Took me a while to figure out that Protea Deluxe's Caladrius motif was likely symbolic of how she took her 'King's' (Parvos') 'corruption' (exposure to the Granum Void) into her own body, martyring herself (by becoming a Specter)

[brittle siren]

Nef Anyo: You used to protect the Orokin Seven

Kinda different term for the Seven

[modest surge]

||if the zariman failed to make the jump to tau, how does the tenno have memories of being there?||

[strange turtle]

Because its after the Zariman

When the Tenno were fighting against the Sentients

Who live in Tau

And had a truce

[modest surge]

so the tenno were reboarded onto a successful jump during the old war?

[strange turtle]

No

There’s a solar rail from Origin to Tau

Well, was, it got destroyed by Hunhow when him and Praghasa came over once the war started up again

[modest surge]

ohh alright

[proper barn]

@modest surge the sentients successfully built their half of the solar rail. It's how they attack the origin system.

and it's in the mag prime codex.

[celest needle]

Could there be or is there any connection between the Mutalist Strain and Techrot, both seem to be mostly the same, infecting technology.

Did Alad V just, reinvent the Techrot?

[narrow pendant]

all strains are related to techrot, techrot was the original infestation

[restive river]

It was the oldest known, we dont know what was the original iirc

[north jolt]

I mean technically both being infestation they are connected. I think of it as like an "extinct" variant of infestation returning

Albeit weaker because we haven't seen Mutalist take over any relays or orbiters yet

[ocean geyser]

I wonder why the modern infestation lost the ability to take over technology then

[pale cedar]

Mutalist can infect tech

[ocean geyser]

I know that

I wasn’t excluding it

I just didn’t know how to add that into the sentence without it feeling like i was saying too much

Didn’t flow right as a sentence

[pale cedar]

It’s just that other strains do other things rather than forgetting

Helminth wasn’t cultivated to infect tech

[ocean geyser]

I’m mainly focused around the basic strain

[pale cedar]

There is no basic strain

Just strains

[ocean geyser]

Like until alad created the Mutalist strain, the Infestation didn’t directly take over technology
Sort of just absorbed it

[ocean geyser]

There is a basic strain
The literal basic version of the faction that you find anywhere
Just like how there are basic grineer and basic corpus

[pale cedar]

Basic strain isn’t a basic strain it’s just a strain

[ocean geyser]

I don’t know why you’re getting stuck on semantics here

[pale cedar]

I’m not

I’m saying they all work differently so you can’t expect it to be the same

[ocean geyser]

Well yeah
But I’m referring to them as “basic” because they don’t have a prefix in their names
Not Mutalist
Not Deimos/Grey Strain

It’s just the name of the organism

Like how some grineer are just Lancers instead of Tusk Lancers or Arid Lancers

I call them basic because the game presents them to you like that

[pale cedar]

The basic one that isn’t Techrot which is all we know as Techrot was nuked into oblivion so it will still be a Strain just not named

It definitely is just years after the first strains so just like anything

It changed over time

[ocean geyser]

I guess that’s fair
Evolution do be like that

[tall echo]

The concept art of infestation taking apart whole corpus ships:

[twin wigeon]

Pretty sure there was a precursor strain found on an asteroid that the orokin found and cultivated to create new strains. I think Vitruvian Ballas says that

[strange turtle]

No

The “ravaged outer colonies became gardens”, because they took the infestation lingering there and cultivated the helminth

[twin wigeon]

That’s the precursor I’m talking about

But wouldn’t it make that strand the original infestation that the other strains are based off of

[north jolt]

Not something we really see in game though outside of that one node whos name I cant recall now

[open coral]

so the orbiter in the drifter's camp is this detachable frontal segment, right. during new war, ordis says "orbital frontal section reattached"

so like where is the back half??? submerged in the lake? somewhere in orbit? hidden elsewhere?

[pale cedar]

Sci fi writers have no sense of scale just go with it

[open coral]

also whats the back half for? clearly the entire ship can function fine without it and the landing craft can use solar rails, so...? is the back segment just propulsion and life support?

[silk atlas]

Storage.

The detachable front half you get into during missions is the Landing Craft of the Orbiter

[strange turtle]

No

It is one or more (that it is a single strain is never specified) strain that the Orokin cultivated one strain out of, potentially cultivating or discovering the Grey strain from them as well.

This strain or one of multiple strains may or may not be, though likely is, the strain that survived to be or developed into the modern “standard” infestation

However since we don’t know how Tengus obtained his samples (unless this is covered in that one comic), for all we know he could’ve found remnants of an archive of strain samples and gotten some other strain, and the one(s?) remaining on the outer colonies could be intended to be some other ones and DE just didn’t say because DE, and it never came up, though this is less likely

Tldr you could be right and the outer colony infested are the precursor to or one of our modern strains, but because Infestation was so widespread, it’s content is disconnected and there isn’t any overarching stuff between them we can’t say it for sure

[tawdry lintel]

has anyone else noticed these unique Corrupted Crewman in Voruna's ability displays?
they're wearing Golden Maws as some sort of helmet

[tall echo]

I wonder where all our gear goes when we're not using it...

[ocean geyser]

what the hell is that

there's a second one here too

tblocked off by an invisible wall tho

[twin wigeon]

Eye

Yk those eyes embedded into the walls in the sandy atomica sections it’s those

The Fragmented One is watching. Always.

[safe kettle]

Hi-