lore-discussion

[gray silo]

WAIT

[strange turtle]

Warframes are literally the remnants of that

[gray silo]

All of you shut up about this whole are they sentient.

Its like toy story!

Done

Umbra didnt get the message so he has to roll with it

[silk atlas]

I think insane people still have personalities

[cursive apex]

sometimes multiple

[ocean geyser]

I think that’s an entirely different sort of thing actually

[eternal sand]

I like the resources you gather for hex standing. Every other faction says “grab my this symbol/Mcguffin of indeterminate worth to show your loyalty and keep me busy.” But the hex just want comfort items and food because they are all clinically depressed

[stray herald]

bruh

[restive river]

The Holdfasts and Cavia items make sense too

For the Holdfasts the feathers help make them more. Them
For the Cavia it’s for Loid’s research or something along those lines from what I recall

DE has def gotten better at it
Although I would argue most do make sense

The Entrati wanting their emblems essentially makes sense for instance

[humble sierra]

Suda makes most sense out of the 6 syndicates I think, her Datums are probably information she's wanting

Quills would want Sentient parts to study, same for Little Duck since Toroids from the Orb Mothers are presumably also sentient tech

[strange turtle]

Tbh it feels like there’s two styles of how DE approaches rank up resources

Stuff that the members would actually want, and like representations of their relationship with you furthering over time as you continue working with them

Most of the latter, like with the Entrati (except the seriglass) and Ostrons, aren’t specifically stuff that’d make sense, but it’s what you can (or are meant to) be able to gather just while doing more and more of the bounties and wandering around the open worlds

[heady quest]

Basically Open world vs Hub system

Cetus, Fortuna, Entrati all want resources of their open world. Cetus is basically a giant market meaning stuff you mine, fish, gather,… all can be sold further by those vendors. Fortuna too is a giant economically visioned colony so everything you gather from the open world can be sold further. Entrati kinda also cares about the resources you collect although it is kinda pointless for them? But you get rewarded with their tokens as a thanks I guess and grandma is just a G that will trade your stupid tokens for something more valuable. W Grandma.

And on the other side you got the Hub system which are basically orientated towards collecting stuff for a purpose. Like comfort items for hex, void items for holdfast and cavia and so on

[proper barn]

Debt Slave Colony

[heady quest]

Yeah I forgot the words for that thx

[proper barn]

you get their debt bonds

which is kinda cool.

from the trans woman who is great.

[heady quest]

Or you can also trade in the gems and fish you get

[proper barn]

Ticker. I love ticker.

[restive river]

For the holdfasts they want em cause it helps them be themselves/remember their lives
Or remember the lives of the people they themselves are memories of ig

[empty sand]

Hey is it only me or does Vorunas Lore sound too disturbing

[silk atlas]

Do you know what game you're playing

[empty sand]

Yh Warframe

Why?

[silk atlas]

Kinda par for the course on disturbing things don't you think

[empty sand]

Yh. Well Cutting the wolves head and placing it on her wasn't necessary man.

We also Got Dagaths Lore

[silk atlas]

Not like she had any other options then to keep the wolves alive

[empty sand]

True Though.

[silk atlas]

The heads were already torn off

[empty sand]

Yep. Then we have Excalibur Umbra.

DE should get an Award for making "Best" And Total "Friendly" Lore. No hate pls

[normal mountain]

Just wait until you learn about Jade

[ocean geyser]

Is Yareli and Nokko’s lore funny, dark or both?

Because ragebaiting ballas so hard that he warframed her entire bloodline is insane

[normal mountain]

We dunno about Nokko yet
(I doubt he and Yareli are blood relatives though)

But I find enraging Ballas like that to be nothing but hilarious

That's why, if they do make a replayable hub for after The Old Peace,
I plan to use nothing but Revenant Prime over there

Probably Yareli Prime too, once I get all her parts

[gusty yacht]

Can any lore nut explain this

If there’s multiple tenno’s are there multiple drifters?

[cosmic badge]

No from what I know (which is probably less than everyone else) there is only one drifter and its yours

[strange turtle]

No

There are many Tenno, but only one is the “main” one that the story events aside from Operations happen to

And this includes the deal that The Operator specifically made with Wally, which is the Drifter’s origin

[past halo]

So question? How long has Nightcap been down there, and why hasn't Eudico done anything to save him if she noticed something going on?

[normal mountain]

We don't know yet
Gotta wait ~46 more hours to find out

[past halo]

Maybe when we find him she'll probably get very much caught up

[proper barn]

She didn't cut the wolves heads he uses kuva to like absorb them.

Cus they all would have just died otherwise.

[proper barn]

Umbra is kinda how all warframes are mad just umbra was left with a memory and locked in the MOON. He doesn't get out of the moon until we take it out of the Void so the second dream or later.

[empty sand]

Well U can't trust DE in any way bro. They will make Awesome and Disturbing content into one masterpiece. Bro Umbras Lore Jade's Lore Stalkers Lore. DE has really created a masterpiece but what it lacks that it wasn't perfectly shown.

[silk atlas]

I don't understand what more you want them to explain

[empty sand]

Well I don't have any problems. But if anyone really want to learn about Warframes Lore they have to See everything every single detail. Unlike Other games. Warframes Lore is kinda like puzzles.

[silk atlas]

...I see you haven't played Dark Souls before

[empty sand]

Okay. Is it nice?

[silk atlas]

Yes but the main point is that there are a LOT of games that expect you to actually comb through their systems (and dare I say, play the game) to get the full details

[empty sand]

Okay Thank U.

[barren jasper]

the finals has lore in metadata on photos that they post on their discord and subreddit 😭

[silk atlas]

Ew

[barren jasper]

it was part of an easter egg hunt arg thing

[humble sierra]

Methinks he was sent down there, something happened and they lost all contact with him, and just assumed he was dead

[oak cosmos]

Anyone know why there is only 4 focus schools in this art

[humble sierra]

Missing Zenurik crystals, interesting

[oak cosmos]

Wanted to get a real life version then realized it was missing and got sad

[oblique siren]

I had a thought about how there can be multiple Drifters, but it wouldn't affect our Drifter's story, so it's not really important. XD But it's a fun thought

So, Eternalism (Simplified) is about how a Choice is a split moment-- in world A, you made choice A. In world B, choice B. Both exist on their own, and in a normal set of circumstances, World A and World B do not interact.

For Operator vs Drifter, the Choice was how Wally chose to interpret the deal. If "I can save all of them" included Player Tenno or not.

Well, in the scene where our Tenno approaches Wally, the other kids don't seem to see Wally.

So perhaps Wally made the choice to appear to our Tenno, creating World A.a with our Operator, and World A.b, with our Drifter. So, maybe in these other Worlds (B.a +B.b through to infinity) Wally made the choice to appear to another Player Tenno.

Again, this changes absolutely nothing. Just musing

[strange plinth]

the main issue (tmk) is how those drifters would end up in this reality
"theoretically accessible" n all
-# it is an explanation, but multiple drifters are more of a gameplay > lore thing

[oblique siren]

-nodding- That's fair, I hadn't considered that angle

[lean garden]

that is exactly the main issue

what Heza has described only accounts for other timelines where someone else was the "main" tenno, but doesnt provide a mechanism for those drifters to come over

[oblique siren]

-sits and listens-

[lean garden]

not even baro's stunt can account for this, as it only linked the platforms together, which only accounts for a total of 4 drifters, assuming that the linkage doesnt just "overlap" the drifters as one

This is further exacerbated by the fact that the hex dont blink an eye when theres 4 drifters that pop up during regular play

in fact the KIM chats only refer to you as the extra hex member tormenting viktor

[normal mountain]

That would be funny
"Wait, which Drifter am I dating again?"

[oblique siren]

-wheeze-

[lean garden]

Is it the handsome one or is it the one that looks suspiciously like a clown

[normal mountain]

"Eleanor, why are all these Drifters interesting in dating you?"
<Trust me, you'd rather not know>

[oblique siren]

Eleanor, to Arthur: Definintely the clown

[lean garden]

-# the correct answer was the clown

[normal mountain]

Amir: "Waitasecond.WehaveaclownDrifter?"

[oblique siren]

The Hex start collecting Drifters like we collect Boy Band members

[cosmic badge]

Drifter and their identical siblings, rifter drift and rift

[tall echo]

(It would fuse the drifters)

[humble sierra]

Yeah I don't think there's a plausible way to get a lore reason for having multiple Drifters in 1999.

Origin System? They're just Tenno with growth spurts.

Duviri? You can say they're not Drifters, they're other storybook heroes because the Drifter feels like they need a hand.

[oblique siren]

I know logically that many times the answer will be "story and gameplay segregation", but it is fun trying to think up answers :D

[humble sierra]

Yep, definitely

[spice spade]

It does make sense if it put it that way

Quantum shiz is wildin hahaha

[eternal sand]

Did we ever get the spawn tables of units?the percentage of what units spawn at each lever. I’m just curious what my odds would be if I was grown as a grineer

[restive river]

Not good

While there aren’t actually as many grineer as we slaughter on a daily basis you’d likely get cut to shreds by a Tenno

[eternal sand]

For sure. I was just curious how likely my odds of being a lancer would be

[strange turtle]

You’d most likely be one, yeah

On the bright side you could be a Kuva Lancer

Or elite

[strange turtle]

Well, “bright”, you’re working under and near the Queen

[ocean geyser]

You’d basically be as likely to be executed by her as you are to be killed by a Tenno

[stiff beacon]

I'd would rather be a rail agent

At least then your not likely to get diced up by a random tenno

[ocean geyser]

Well then you’d be accosted by a random anyone else

[tall echo]

that seems much better than dying to who knows what war crime

[ocean geyser]

I mean i’m sure the Corpus and Grineer do unpleasant things to people
And if that “someone else” is an infested then it’s just joever

[tall echo]

I just realized the coincidence of a canadian studio making war crime simulator 2013

[ocean geyser]

Oh yeah 💀

[unique talon]

For lore wise, a non-humanoid Warframe would make sense?

Something like an octopus or related?

[wide trench]

Spider warframe

[unique talon]

She's still a humanoid with arms and legs technically

But what I mean is something with a completely different shape

[wide trench]

I mean if you want technical we could argue xaku

[silk atlas]

DE said no to making stuff like that before, and there's no elaboration in the lore on non-humans being made into Warframes. Best just to expect them to never be mentioned as a thing.

[unique talon]

I see..

[silk atlas]

More specifically, DE said no to making non-humanoid frames as something to expect for playable stuff, but that basically means the same thing, and given that I remember that being a tweet from several years ago and still nothing on that front, slim chance.

I even had to double check if Venari was Warframe'd and it's not mentioned lmao

[tall echo]

still humanoid

[ocean geyser]

I think Venari was, yeah

[tall echo]

Not mentioned

As sealskin already said

[strange turtle]

Do you mean like, Helminthing a non-human or the Helminth transforming them into a non-humanoid?

[tall echo]

Technically speaking tho the helminth charger could count as a frame

[silk atlas]

Only parts of note from Venari are her large size, weird pattering and 'atypical behavior.' You'd think someone who's entire job it was to trace genetics would mention if Venari was Infested.

[unique talon]

The helminth transforming them into a non-humanoid

Like a sphere with multiple tentacles

[tall echo]

I think kavats are just immune to the infestation considering they eat it

[unique talon]

They're?

[tall echo]

It's not said in-game but like

How else would they survive that

[ocean geyser]

It’s sort of said in game but not directly

It’s the codex entry, right?

[tall echo]

The immunity thing isn't

[pale cedar]

It is sort of implied considering their task is eating it

[silk atlas]

Again, it's just something that's assumed because how could you eat something that would just kill you.

That being said, there's still the possibility that it's not dangerous to eat, but still dangerous should it get into a wound.

[ocean geyser]

I mean i imagine the danger comes from infested lifeforms getting pissed off and trying to kill you while eating

[tall echo]

The entire infestation is alive and able to assimilate things, not just the creatures

[ocean geyser]

Well yeah
Just saying
Being immune to being infested (even if it’s not a full immunity) isn’t going to do much when a Leaping Thrasher smacks you in the head

[violet storm]

Or a volatile blowing up in your face

[proper barn]

This is said in game that they have special stomachs and such.

[restive river]

Wait do you have the source for this?

[proper barn]

I might be wrong let me check

[restive river]

Cause I’ve always heard it about kavats from trustworthy sources but never saw the actual source in game

[proper barn]

I can't find a source it might be from the teasonia skin

Or his radiatine dialog.

[woven coyote]

I think the devs mentioned it a long time ago

And the confirmation simply comes from kavats living in derelicts and hyekkas being used to hunt infested (the hyekka bit is actually in their description)

[restive river]

Thank you
I knew about the derelict part but not the hyekka, that’s p cool

Makes this emote funnier knowing this can eat an infested unit for lunch

[woven coyote]

Lol

[pale cedar]

“Trained to hunt down the Infestation”

[woven coyote]

But yeah in the end i think it is mostly just the devs explaining stuff when they reveal content

With their behaviour in game and the hyekka's description being the only hints that are actually in game

[eternal sand]

I just realized… the emotions of Duviri is just the cast of inside out.

Day ruined

[silk atlas]

...Emotions aren't exactly unique

[normal mountain]

Not really
It's Envy instead of Disgust

[proper barn]

Inside out isn't the first time Dinsey even did that. Also inside out is good.

[strange turtle]

What was the first time?

[proper barn]

Cranium Command with Buzzy.

[restive river]

Also Duviri’s emotions are like
Complex characters and not purely just embodiments of those emotions

Like Mathila isn’t just happiness/joy

[ocean geyser]

The complexity comes from their inability to experience anything else and how they deal with it

[silk atlas]

Or rather, how they don't really deal with it and just go off the rails.

[ocean geyser]

Yeah that’s also true

[restive river]

Mathila filling her life with whatever “joys” she can get her hands on to ignore her actual life

[silk atlas]

And also punishing not being happy

[restive river]

Yeah

I love the courtiers :]

[oblique siren]

I really enjoy how genuine the KIM system messages are. :] They feel really good and well written. Really help the Hex feel like people

[humble sierra]

100%, Kat Kingsley and the Voice Cast did a phenomenal job with it

[eternal sand]

Are the giant webbed stone formations in Duviri supposed to be north American dream catchers?

[lean garden]

no?

its fractal shapes

[brittle siren]

not really a lore thing but it interesting that Umbra broken mask and Arthur grey eye is on the same left side of the face

[strange plinth]

yea no proper connection, think its just the designers doing a neat callback

[proper barn]

we have many resonating themes in warframe one of them being family one of them being eyes and how being blind isn't about your eyes and such.

how powerful names are

and how using a name is a sign of love self love or otherwise.

[brittle siren]

imagine Umbra human name is Arthur

[humble sierra]

What shoulder was Hayden stabbed in?

[eternal sand]

Umbras human name was Umbra

Can't wait for Dagath Dagath

[strange plinth]

i feel the need to point out that Dagath got her name from Grandmother

[proper barn]

This is not true.

[proper barn]

also we know that wasn't her name.

[restive river]

Identity :]

[proper barn]

also true.

[timber pelican]

How many lore stories do you think we're still missing? I mean, how many years of stories do you think Warframe has left? And what stories are left to reveal?

[lean garden]

well theres a lot of the Old War, theres still like a ways to go with the Void War and we've got a room to expand for the Infested and Corpus, and maybe the Grineer this long out since The War Within

[humble sierra]

Yeah and nothings stopping them from making more by setting up new stories, or making things out of pretty much nothing

MITW was set up like 8 years ago

And 1999 had about 1.5 years of setup

[timber pelican]

Do you think that the end of the MITW will be like the "end"?
Or something new about the void will be more big? Sorry 'bout my english

[strange turtle]

No

We’re in the arc of fighting against Wally right now, and DE has still been setting things up for later with Stalker, the Protos, Narmer and Duviri

And the Corpus and Grineer might not be super poweful void entities like Wally, but they’re still significant threats

[oblique siren]

I'm also fine with Smaller Stakes stories, especially after a Big Arc. You can't keep making Bigger and Bigger threats, usually, without it becoming very silly or dissatisfying.

A whole set of side quests of our Tenno doing Odd Jobs around the system. XD

[sweet flame]

how do you change the scenery of your dojo. i just created my own dojo and I want a different look to it

[tall echo]

By decorating over the normal aesthetic

[smoky solstice]

so uh, anyone else really confused about the teacher?

[strange plinth]

not particularly, what's wrong with it?

[smoky solstice]

so like, the lotus and teshin are kinda beefing but like ig as teshin realises we're the real deal and then we go rescue him, he's like oh ok? I mean maybe the flow felt off because I am like dealing a lot more damage than intended, maybe the teshin boss battle feels a lot more intense when he's not getting one shotted
but then the weirdest part is that in the ending, they have the whole conversation about like oh are you gonna tell them now, and it's cool, ok setting up a mystery, making people interested perhaps... but then in natah the vibe is just going to be completely different between the lotus and teshin, maybe they changed that part?

oh and also, not really lore related, but the fact that it gives basically 0 information on modding aside from "here's how you make secondary elements" put me off too, at least it brings some attention to the system so people experiment with it more, but I kinda thought this was supposed to explain how to mod? not just explain one, fairly insignificant in the early game too, segment of the whole?

[strange plinth]

i'm not sure if teshin knows she's a sentient during The Teacher
if he doesn't, what he does during Natah still makes sense. ancient enemies n all that
i haven't looked at the changelog but i don't think they would've changed Natah
i also could be misremembering Natah so
grain of salt

[lean garden]

Ive yet to play the quest because Im still optimising, but uh, based on

hey have the whole conversation about like oh are you gonna tell them now, and it's cool, ok setting up a mystery
I mean the moment teshin enters Natah, he immediately goes "cats out the bag bozo"

[smoky solstice]

oh well I'm spoiling all of it, it's pretty short so maybe look away from this channel for now lmao

like maybe took 15 minutes for me, it's really quick

[strange plinth]

more than it did prior, tbf
and it does tell you that elements are more than random damage types, they do more or less damage to certain targets
it definitely could be better but it's not bad imo

[smoky solstice]

kinda curious though too, why does he suddenly change his mind about the orokin genocide in the end? like he was seemingly kinda bitter about it being done (also I think he implies the lotus ordering it, was that ever revealed somewhere else???) but I don't think anything happens in the quest to change his mind? except maybe he sees us now and thinks oh ok, now that we have the tenno back to deal with all this stuff, maybe there's a brighter future

[strange plinth]

revealed in Natah, i believe
Hunhow criticizes Lotus for not following through on the final step of killing the tenno, too, after killing the orokin

i think its more of him reflecting on that event for so long + the tenno's return that makes him ok with it

[smoky solstice]

idk I thought it was looking pretty good in the beginning, but then it just kinda ended on that one thing when I thought they were going to go at least like into showing off how stacking base damage, crit, multishot, like all of these things together increases your damage a lot, making that part more intuitive. Ig you only get multishot mods later, but still, just to give people perspective of the way damage scaling works

[pale cedar]

He doesn’t the quest is set after Vors Prize before Natah

[smoky solstice]

maybe let people really buff their gun up so people understand like oh modding is like extremely important, so when people get stuck because their damage is crap, they think like oh ok, I improve my mods with endo or something like that. I mean it sounds kinda obvious, but I feel it could be a good way to frame the way scaling works in warframe as opposed to other RPGs, which just kinda scale you passively or through new gear more than upgrades to said gear

anyway, the positive part about the teacher is that it does fill in some gaps in the early game, like it's nice that there's finally something to tell you there's something more later on

[strange plinth]

yea i did expect it to point out when to use status v crit
its implied but nothing outright
-# which. given that we needed a modding tutorial, isn't great

[smoky solstice]

ofc a lot of the stuff that happens in natah or the second dream, it's definitely implied earlier that there's something more even without this quest, but having an explicit one at least tells players like hey, look around, there is in fact stuff coming

[strange plinth]

yes ! teshin has an introduction ingame now, he doesn't just show up in Natah expecting that you know him

[smoky solstice]

maybe if it was longer, some of the aspects like the lotus and teshin interactions, the ending, I feel they could've hit better that way, if there was some actual conflict in the story spanning for longer than 2 seconds

but idk, better than nothing

[pale cedar]

It finally gives us a reason to know Teshin because before that Conclave is the only place we knew him from

[lilac aspen]

Tenno, you must battle your inner self

In The Conclave

[tall echo]

The thing that's almost entirely up to preference?

[past halo]

So what day and age did the Thornbak come from?

[lean garden]

Orokin era

[vale wind]

OH RIGHT I FORGOT. one thing I realised way too late into messing with Voruna fashion stuff before I gave up:
Her "pack" isnt made of Kubrows. they're Stovers. the 3 eyes give it away

[eternal sand]

Outside of the fear spiral, where is sythel

[lean garden]

probably in her shack

[pale cedar]

In her home very paranoid

[eternal sand]

Where is her home?

[pale cedar]

At the top of the mountain between Titan's Rest and Clustos Arch. You gotta get off the horse and slide underneath to get in

[tall echo]

We don't have any info beyond the item description mate

[proper barn]

nef is really really depressed.

in the undermines and it's so funny.

[eternal sand]

“Tenno why are you doing this? I’m just trying to build myself a safe shelter”
You are responsible for the slavery of billions.
“Well… what’s that got to do with my house?”

[raven mirage]

DE should've made a conclave tutorial quest instead smh (/srs)

[tawdry lintel]

so... are the new Syzygy units part of the Infestation or Corpus?
their codex says their Infested, but they don't appear in the Infested section.
not to mention, they're infected with mushrooms, not the Infestation. Idk, does that still....count?

the Scrofa Latro Raknoid is part of the Corpus, but it also visible infected by Syzygy

[stiff beacon]

that would require people to play the conclave

[pale cedar]

They’re not listed in either actually

[tawdry lintel]

if u search em up in all, there indiv pages says infested

[pale cedar]

Plus the Infested faction is called Infestation not Infested so it’s weird

[tawdry lintel]

i kinda thought they would appear in the neutral section, but nuh

[restive river]

It makes sense it’s an infested mushroom strain thing

[tall echo]

They are. Literally infested with mushrooms. Like in the last of us. The normal meaning of infested. Not infestation infested.

They're not neutral and don't fall under corpus so they just don't exist in the faction lists

[proper barn]

they are infested but like with mushrooms.

Which isn't the infestation i would say.

[eternal sand]

So nightcap died. But then Nokko brought him back with fragmented memories but also, sacrificing their own life, that’s why nightcap has nokkos Warframe parts. Yeah? Am I reading that correctly?

[humble sierra]

The update notes classifies them as a Corpus Subfaction

So they are probably affected by Corpus mods?

[dire mountain]

Syzygy is hostile to Scrofa iirc

[elfin shale]

guy who are the warframe what are not build be orokin ? if i understand the 3 mission of the princes nokko is not a orokin warframe ?? and that may be stupid but in this case can we really call him a warframe ?

[proper barn]

good question. I need to do those myself.

[elfin shale]

He lives his own life

not like a warfrme

[proper barn]

@elfin shale once i farm another 110 of the resrouce. it might be 110 more i need I WILL GET BACK TO YOU. Also idk if this helps but dagath was basiclly dead and she was turned into a warframe. She was too far gone for coninutity even

but was fine for being turned into a warframe.

[spice wedge]

I think after I max this mushrooms stage I will have to find some mushrooms to eat.

[proper barn]

BUT some warframes are just sentient we don't know why fully. @elfin shale Like why did Dagath after getting her head lazered stay alive but also gain ghost horse powers and gain senteince to go kill her Ex-Lovers that lazered her face.

[eternal sand]

Well the stories in the mushrooms mind may be old, but not old war old. Nightcap worked for Nef who I assume wasn't around for the old war, being born after. And it's possible Nokko was around for the old war, but after all the tenno went to sleep, the body of Nokko persisted. Doing silly things and causing chaos in the Venus underground.

[proper barn]

Kullervo also fully sentient

but he was a gen 1 frame. He was also gay.

but that is a kinda side note.

well it relates as to why he was on the outs from the orokin like immediatly.

[eternal sand]

He was what now?

[proper barn]

Gay.

[eternal sand]

Home of the sexuals?

[proper barn]

He tries to make ballas love him by killing a orokin ballas wants killed and then ballas is like

You didn't say please and then Kullervo is now a criminal.

and a rebel.

and he helps the tenno rebel.

[eternal sand]

Is... Wait was that the real reason he was put in jail?

[proper barn]

And then

during the night of naga drums or soon after

he tries to kill ballas and gets thrown into the void.

[eternal sand]

Vinny, I can't tell if you're screwing with me or not. I need you to source kullervos homosexual tendencies because if you're being deadass... That's hilarious

[proper barn]

"you really thought he could ever love you?"

I am not joking.

also the Unum and Gara are lesbain coded.

they used beloved in their text a lot.

[spice wedge]

Yo I wonder Whose Ballas parent's were, when he was little kid, imagine that story.

[proper barn]

the text talks about them being the one the other one cared the most about and such.

the unum gara text

[proper barn]

I am not "screwing with you" it's just a random side note kinda. It's not really a big deal but it's there. also one of his crimes was not being gay it was "Murder" withouth asking ballas first i guess.

[eternal sand]

It makes Ballas attempting to destroy the origin system because he's a touch starved incel even funnier.

Ballas: "sob sob nobody loves me, my flame is dead and she rejected me"
Kullervo: "Gimme that blue tube handsome"

[proper barn]

he has 7 crimes.

[strange plinth]

full quote that vinny's talking about
"You, Kullervo, thought an Executor's favor was a thing to be stolen and worn. You spilled precious Orokin blood - before seeking the Executor out for approval. Hated Kullervo, did you truly believe he could love you? You are, forevermore, a low murderer."
Executor is heavily implied to be ballas here, i believe

[proper barn]

yeah

cuz it's the warden.

[elfin shale]

it's make sens but the warframe don't have freedom ?? there is a thinks who control them to be a armor and not a "living" armor, but dagath when she being head shot she break the thing who hinder her

[proper barn]

yeah.

i said that.

Also umbra is just a dude. like the most dude of any warframe.

Like they are all that but he is the one

that has active memories still on purpose.

[eternal sand]

God... Ballas and Kullervo, Gara and Unum, Gauss and Grendel, all of cavia, is there anyone in the origin system who loves the opposite gender?

[proper barn]

I mean yeah. ticker.

Varazia likes men and women.

also Dagath was with a couple @eternal sand one of them was probably the other gender.

Arthur was with Aoi.

Stalker.

stalker and jade i should say.

[eternal sand]

Well yeah. But there's also umbra, Jade, Stalker and even whatever warframe we use because they instinctively break hunhow in the second dream

[proper barn]

Ticker is trans btw i love ticker she's great.

if you say something bad about her cuz of that i'll take your spine.

[elfin shale]

🤔 nokko just broke the hinder he have just to make fun with the miner in venus and help to stay venus a planet who we can live

[eternal sand]

Ticker had the hots for a man but they were also homophobic so they became a girl but it turns out the man they fancied was gay and didn't want to sleep with a she/her pronoun haver. Like if you cry every time

[proper barn]

that's not what happened.

but sure.

[eternal sand]

Considering Venus is full of mushrooms and Nokko is a mushroom... Possibly just... Mushroom muscle memory

[proper barn]

also i am of the believe that gender doesn't matter as much in warframe. cuz like

have you watched the Yareli Prime trailer?

[strange plinth]

ugh there's an awful pun i can make here
-# mush-le memory

[proper barn]

geniue question.

[elfin shale]

yeah but every one has a tragic back story

[proper barn]

not true.

[eternal sand]

Not in OUR warframe. But what about warframe China? Something I've always been curious about is if the operator/drifter is gendered in warframe China so they can have 1999 romances without allowing gay ones to adhere to Chinese social customs

[proper barn]

idc really. but what i was gonna say was Yareli prime's trailer ballas is talking about like how he would have used who would become yareli as his yuvan but she was too like sassy.

so he just was okay with using a girl as a yuvan presumable cuz he would just do whatever body mods he wanted cuz he's a orokin with orokin tech

and he would just make himself look like ballas again no matter what body he is.

[eternal sand]

Yarelis trailer is Ballas malding the entire time about a punk girl being a punk and not being up for the brain melting thing

[proper barn]

yeah.

it's very funny.

ballas was also very mad that mirage maniplutated him into making her into mirage instead of a warframe he wanted to make her into.

[eternal sand]

Was the body stated to specifically be for Ballas or just any orokin. I could see him standing to the side and grabbing yareli by the throw and dragging her off when sticking her tongue out at the one way mirror

[proper barn]

He says

"i would have worn your face"

[eternal sand]

Oh. Fair enough. I was probably too focused listening to those sick beats

[elfin shale]

ballas is so a lilttle boy who want to play with the life but everyone kick is ass

[proper barn]

yeah. also nothing is ever his fault

it's everyone elses fault.

[eternal sand]

"Bit*h!"
-Ballas, New War

[elfin shale]

yeah, don't like im

[strange plinth]

i hate him, he's written so well

[elfin shale]

don't talk to margulis like that

[proper barn]

yeah.

he's a great villain.

[eternal sand]

Before kullervo was added I thought Bombastine was supposed to represent Ballas in Duviri because of what a piss baby he is

[proper barn]

Bombastine was in the book originally so probably not.

[elfin shale]

but margulis don't like autistic people

[proper barn]

that's not

exactly true. also she felt bad about it.

[eternal sand]

Speaking of good characters, the voice actor for Nef Anyo did a great job for the undermines content

[elfin shale]

rell just save us for so long right ?

[proper barn]

OH YEAH i love depressed nef.

he is just like going "PLEASE ME WIN I'M A BIRTHDAY BOY"

he sounds so sad it's great.

[eternal sand]

Yes. He was chained to a tree in constant mental turmoil for 1000+ years

[proper barn]

Rell did keep wally at bay for 1000 years

the sentinel is what Albretch calls him in his computer.

[eternal sand]

What's the quote where he does the really long, exhausted and miserable sigh?

Love that one

[proper barn]

i mean

it's not just that one it's a lot of them. but yeah.

he just overall just sounds depressed and just wants a vaction bunker.

[eternal sand]

There's a lot of good ones but the "... Hhhhuuuuuugh~" always gets me

[proper barn]

Like he asks us from the heart with no threats or anything just like "just leave please you don't need the fungus"

[elfin shale]

(rell) Even if everyone found him weird, he persisted for his mother's vision; in the end, he didn't have Margulis as a mentor, but just his real mother.

[eternal sand]

"why do you not want me in this cave particularly?"
Why do you want the cave directly beneath fortuna?

[proper barn]

lmao

i think this is first time we have ever had a villain like just go "please stop" no threats or anything or asking us to betray the lotus just like

"please stop"

[elfin shale]

yeah kind a sad

but fun

[eternal sand]

Us finding him weird only made him Jesus.
Think about it, us casting him out was our betrayal, we were judus. But he sacrificed himself, getting nailed chined to the cross tree, where he died for our sins held back the indifference

[eternal sand]

"bro, my dad was like super rich, can you just go? I earned some peace and quiet"

[proper barn]

I mean harrow is literally styleized as a preacher

with the Censor and everything.

[dry cobalt]

I will never stop making Nef regret his lifes choices

[proper barn]

ME EITHER

it's so funny. just bullying a depressed CEO

is MY GOAL IN LIFE

[dry cobalt]

I would love to personally use him as a reactant in his own cooling tower. And let thursby be the one to pull the switch

[proper barn]

all captilists should be sa.

or reformed.

We stan nightcap

[elfin shale]

is protoframe make me questioning myself

[eternal sand]

"I'm sorry daddy, I've been a bad girl"
That's NOT how you start a CONFESSION!

[elfin shale]

🤣

[eternal sand]

I want to craft a harrow prime for whenever we have our inevitable showdown with the indifference. Wally looks up to see Rell (but it's actually us) come back for round two

[dry cobalt]

Pulls up lanter aglow "Hey kiddo"

[elfin shale]

i hope this mfs see my harrow and pee on himself

[dry cobalt]

rap tap tap

[elfin shale]

haaaaa you chase him in the void like

||RAP TAP TAP ||

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-the-devil's-triad-warframe-1999-1999-halloween-gif-17182689415158292183

[dry cobalt]

RELIGION TISM INTENSIFIES

[hallow stone]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-the-devil's-triad-warframe-1999-1999-halloween-gif-9924474415929941758

[elfin shale]

sorry i forgot how the religious protoframe are just perfect

[earnest sapphire]

Eleanor ain’t beating the thirst trap with this one

[elfin shale]

we don't compare deity bro 💅

[lean garden]

the subtitles casually miss the "uuuuuuuuuuugh" he belts out when he figures out the tenno are interfering in the undermind

[proper barn]

yeah

it's so funny.

[digital grail]

Hes so sick of our buffoonery

[hexed oxide]

can you blame him ?

we kind of got him disowned by his father

[warm rain]

Hey just wondering but does the the teacher quest mess up the story? Like is there new dialogue when we meet him in the original story quest?

[strange plinth]

only thing it could mess up is the operator being surprised about teshin being a dax in war within, as he's referred to as "Teshin Dax" during The Teacher

[hexed oxide]

imagine it's because they thought it was a surname. like "gordon chef"

[digital grail]

Or the tenno wasn't listening properly

This is also before the tenno remembers stuff

[proper barn]

No. It explains more of his backstory. Also it's setting up for old peace even.

Also I assume the game for new players tells you to do this right after you kill vor or get your device off you I guess.

Like right after you do the intro missions.

[stiff beacon]

its defo after vor's prize given you get a text from teshin after to go to fortuna

[proper barn]

Yeah.

[stiff beacon]

also

[proper barn]

I need 60 mushroom essence for the last path.

[stiff beacon]

it doesnt ruin the war within plot twist given, 1. a new player wont know jack about what a dax is, and 2. teshin actually asks lotus if the operator remembers anything from the old war, and thus would probably include what a dax is

given they also don't remembering anything before the old war either until after 2nd dream

[proper barn]

Yeah

[warm rain]

Ohhh okie

[dire mountain]

What do we think about bolarolas laying eggs

[restive river]

Platypi

[hexed oxide]

they do WHAT

aren't they like pangolins ?

[proper barn]

i mean eh

[pseudo granite]

I think the octavia quest should be a main quest because the ordis lore

[humble sierra]

Even the actual Ordis lore is side content

Hidden side content too

[strange plinth]

i'd say hunhow's involvement is more important than ordis lore in that quest
in regards to main quest vs side/warframe

[stiff beacon]

the same thing about kubrows laying eggs we just kinda except it

[dreamy orbit]

tfw im kinda dense to not entirely understand nokko's lore after completing all those stem paths

[lean garden]

but are you too dense?

[dreamy orbit]

maybe, im probably high from drinking too much coffee

[lean garden]

Nokko messes with solaris undermining, Nightcap befriends nokko, Nightcap messes up corpus profits for undermining, corpus attack, nokko and nightcap fight off corpus, nightcap dies, nokko reviews nightcap, nightcap is in denial about dying

[dreamy orbit]

tbf nightcap's remark in the end makes me confused

so basically my impression was, yeah this backstory is just trippy

[lean garden]

nightcap, being a casual bloke, doesnt believe that he died, because well, he's not dead, but uh, he most probably died

[dreamy orbit]

uncanny, he doesnt belief he's dead because ||its possible were no longer talking with the real nightcap anymore||

[lean garden]

Nah, the last scene shows nokko up to some shenanigans, nokko probably brought nightcap back

[dreamy orbit]

sure sure, and its still uncanny to think about it ||knowing irl certain fungi can zombify living things like insects||

cool reference regardless

[misty salmon]

It's secretly a crossover episode ||with Last of Us|| and I just spent the last several hours doing busywork for ||a clicker in a tin can||

[austere void]

Did Nef Anyo die during the new war, or shortly after ?

[digital grail]

I dont think he did die did he?

[humble sierra]

He never died or was implied to have died

[austere void]

Something in my mind told me he died, and like Parvos was the last "important" corpus alive
But in Nokko's bounties, Nef is def there, and he says something like "this palace will protect me from everyone ! corpus, narmer, tenno" or smth like that

So he's def still alive according to it, but since I had a doubt, I wanted to double check

[humble sierra]

This Undermind stuff is also Post-New War and he's very prominent, so definitely not dead

[austere void]

yeah

wanted to make sure it wasn't DE forgetting that he died or smth

now I know he never died

[tacit pagoda]

it is implied in the stem path

lmao my bad y’all talking about nef ayo now

[austere void]

[pine orchid]

I played the undermind, I LOVE THE SPRODLINGS, watched the stem paths and... do y'all think maybe it's possible the fungi function like infestation? but friendly? there's fungi creatures, the fungi can infect creatures, Nokko is said to not be one of the Orokin-made frames? though tbf it could also be written off as Nightcap not knowing about Nokko

[lean garden]

I think Nightcap doesnt know much about nokko, but Nightcap doesnt say that Nokko isnt orokin-made, he just said that Nokko has become more than that

[pine orchid]

oh I guess so, I slightly forgot the exact wording besides smth along the lines of "not quite something those orokin made in their labs"
so he could be based on another warframe, but got fungi infected(?)

[lean garden]

I think perhaps nokko was made as such since the fungal system in the orb vallis looks to be critical for the environment's regulation

although I have no idea either

I dont even know which era of warframe nokko is

so I dont even know if nokko is a post-tenno warframe with an operator

or if Nokko hid out the aftermath of the warframe insurrection

[pine orchid]

yeah, like in relation to Solaris the undermind sounds like it's been locked away for a long time

[lean garden]

issue is... warframes are that old

so like, it dont give us any proper clue when

[pine orchid]

it's still a new gamemode so idk if there's more lore hidden away somewhere, aside from the stem paths

I haven't even collected all the shrooms yet, nor did I get to pick up any drawings from the wild sprodlings qwq

[lean garden]

well, none really

[lean garden]

theres what now, drawings??

shit I have to go back... later

[olive crest]

Question: How dangerous is Nukko? Is he on the same level as Nidus?
If I remember correctly, Nidus is dangerous enough to contaminate or infest an entire region because he’s infested-based. But Nukko, on the other hand, is fungus-based.

It’s just a weird question I had — since The Last of Us is based entirely on a fungal infection that caused an apocalypse, could Nukko’s fungal nature be just as dangerous or even worse?

[pine orchid]

yea! if you look around the place carefully (usually in the uppies) you'll find lil interactable sprodlings (you have to be host atm, bug) and they give you lil drawings apparently!

[lean garden]

If I remember correctly, Nidus is dangerous enough to contaminate or infest an entire region because he’s infested-based.
Well, given that neither nidus nor nidus prime has done this at all...

Nidus and Nokko are indeed as dangerous as each other, on account of the fact that theyre both warframes

[pine orchid]

Nokko does spread shrooms all over the place

and the shrooms seems like it can infect other creatures? maybe tech?

[worldly knot]

Yup! I got 3 of them. Little Sprods tend to be in hidden nooks full of destructible items.

I would say Nokko is probably not so bad. He seems to spread the "roots and fruits" which at least doesn't spit out monsters that eat people.

(yet)

[pine orchid]

no it only spits out LIL BEBES THAT GO "YIPPEEE" AND "NOKKO"

[dire mountain]

Kubrows are like dogs but they lay eggs

[ocean geyser]

They’re not talking about Kubrows though

[elfin shale]

U need to incubate a kubrows egg

So they lay eggs 😂

[ocean geyser]

Again they’re not talking about Kubrows 💀

[dire mountain]

Yes but random creatures being monotremes because of orokin interference is not new

[elfin shale]

Hehe yeah u right 😂 but same for the kubrows but boloras it's kind of a pangolin or a tatou laying eggs is not strange compère to the kubrows who is a earth dogs 🤔

(borolas is on venus)

[woven coyote]

Absolutely yes tech, nigthcap calls out in the drone bounty how the shrooms are working on it

Not to mention the shroomed proxies in the missions

[pine orchid]

that does imply the fungi could potentially function similarly to like infested and techrot, like another different strain of it maybe?

in the bounties or in the shroom-pendium, I think it was mentioned that the mushrooms (or some variants of it) subsist off of the coolant spill or smth that the corpus did and is helping regulate the Venus atmosphere temp and environmental stability

[frank condor]

nef anyo died inside when parvos grilled him

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-emotional-damage-steven-he-emotional-damage-gif-23428142

[proper barn]

no but we have gave him depressiion.

[restive river]

They are infested, but it is the helminth strain so it likely won’t actually infect anything else

[violet storm]

And make him annoyed

[pine orchid]

so about the same as Nidus' infestation, right?

[restive river]

The same as all warframes

Nidus hasn’t really like
Done anything special, people hype him up but he doesn’t have much lore iirc

[pale cedar]

“Grendel can eat universes”

[violet storm]

More like Grendel is capable of consuming large amounts of technological and biological matter in a short period

[pine orchid]

Grendel is Kirby? 🤔

[violet storm]

I mean, I once considered painting mine pink like Kirby

[woven coyote]

Remember to use the voidshell skin with fleshy textures

[lean garden]

"Nidus has infested a whole region"

Nidus, having infested no region:

[woven coyote]

Obviously wisp was made from phragasa because portal and because sun

[hexed oxide]

umbra is operator's dad though

[restive river]

He can infest a very small region based on ability range? I guess???

[restive river]

Now that’s a wild theory lmao

[lean garden]

now thats a fun one

[violet storm]

Possibly a father figure? Beyond that? Doubtful.

[hexed oxide]

your pfp looks like this right now

https://tenor.com/view/fire-mouth-firing-my-lazer-cell-dragon-ball-z-dbz-gif-17318792

[restive river]

Considering we have weird trauma with him, I doubt even father figure

I doubt he sees us as his child

And our relationship is built on helping him through the loss of his child and what happened to him

[strange turtle]

I mean sometimes he infests Region chat through people sharing skins

Does that count

[brazen nymph]

Whar happened to Zariman tgat caused the people to go crazy, turn into void angels or wthvr and stay locked in their rooms cuz I forgor 💀

[pale cedar]

Void jump accident

[brazen nymph]

I thought alternate selves like Wally or wthvr the rap tap tap guy that looked like operstor is named took over the ship and made everyone go crazy

[restive river]

What caused the void jump to go wrong isn’t entirely clear but it may have been a combination of the man in the wall and the Orokin putting stress on the crew
When the void jump failed the adults, specifically the parents went insane due to the man in the wall. The children got void powers thanks to our deal with the man in the wall and they had to protect themselves against the adults.
The ship would return to the system, the tenno saved, then it would disappear and reappear on and off

At some point a conceptually embodied version of the crew manifested aboard the Zariman, think of them as void memory ghosts, they all had a hunger and fed off the Reliquary drive (big finger from the man in the wall) which turned them into void angels.

The remaining crew did what they could, the Zariman returned for the final time and we saved what was left.

Oh also we act in place of the finger for the remaining crew aka The Holdfasts, likely due to us having a piece of the man in the wall due to the deal

[brazen nymph]

Ooooh

[restive river]

I skipped some details, like the stress the crew went under and stuff like that but that’s the gist

Like Kira appears in the quest but is mostly relevant to the ARG
I’m not going over all that but if you want I can link you a resource for it

[brazen nymph]

But how did it work that parents went insane while children didnt also like where did Wally appear from like 💔 is he just pure evil that randomly Appeared.

[restive river]

Wally made just the parents go insane, possibly just to see what would happen if he pitted parents against their kids

The jump left the ship in the void and that’s where Wally is, though he did appear prior to the jump to Yonta while she was in the Reliquary room

Likely due to him being connected to his fingers

He likely saw through the fingers what was going on and what his power was being used for and planned accordingly, then experimented on us

Also on him being evil
Uh
He certainly isn’t good

His anger towards the Orokin makes sense but like everything else he does just sucks

There’s a reason Rell stopped him the way he did, you don’t just imprison some random entity with you for 1k+ years for no reason

[woven coyote]

somehow i believe i could see a theory like it in general chat

[restive river]

Same tbh

It is weird Wisp is attached to the ropa fight but like
She’s not the first frame who’s disconnected from the boss/quest they’re a reward from

At most I can see DE on the backend deciding to fit Wisp with Ropa purely for what would happen later but with no actual connection beyond that

[woven coyote]

i just found a sprodling with a mini corpus pc in a locker

what should we name it?

[tranquil palm]

Dell

[violet storm]

Reliquary drive drove people mad and those desperate enough, drank from it, becoming void angels. Secondary result of the void jump incident that has left the Zariman stuck halfway between Real Space and the Void

[dire mountain]

Marcus Plier

[tall echo]

1. That's after everyone already died and 2. they don't literally drink from it

[misty salmon]

It is clearly the head of the Corpyceps itself, Parvos Mushroom.

[humble sierra]

There's a line in the first Purple path where Nightcap goes "is that a kid?" so either it's referring to how Nokko is a bit on the smaller/thinner side, talking about a Sprodling, or his operator

[humble sierra]

Mike after the protagonist from FNAF because it seems like he's looking at cameras

[proper barn]

I think it's just cuz Nokko is tiny.

[lilac aspen]

Lore wise why do the mushrooms have cake

[proper barn]

little cute thing.

made by a young person turned into a warframe.

[dire mountain]

They gotta jump high

They needed to use their glutes

[lilac aspen]

Ah
Glutemaxxing

[restive prawn]

Howdy 🤠

What’s up bro?

[tall echo]

Mesa be like

[restive river]

Gamer

[sweet wadi]

Is it just me or is nightcap's descriptions of corpus as 'pests' and 'invasive species' to be 'weeded' a little uncomfortable? Fighting taxmen to save innocents from dept slavery is one thing, dehumanizing people into 'pests' feels like a step in an uncomfortable direction.

[restive river]

Eh not really

They are invasive and it sounds like if the undermind is destroyed for Nef’s projects it would disrupt Venus as a whole

[strange plinth]

i can see your point but its more of a comparison to "this is a garden, they are harming the garden, they are, therefore, pests"

[restive river]

Also we uh
Literally kill the corpus on a daily basis, them being called names for disrupting an ecosystem is nothing

[sweet wadi]

My issue is more that the whole 'cleaning the garden of undesirables' analogy feels very similar to less heroic ideologies.

[restive river]

Yeah exactly this

[restive river]

I mean we’re literally killing folks who work for a guy with similar ideologies who enslaved people through debt…

[sweet wadi]

Very New Loka let's say

[restive river]

Like Nef literally says something about letting a Corpus do a job instead of a Solaris when the Solaris ARE Corpus

[sweet wadi]

Ever since new war I've been less certain on how guilty the average corpus grunt is tbh.

[restive river]

Difference is the Undernind isn’t just some environment we’re trying to keep “pure”, it’s seemingly an integral part of the actual ecosystem
We aren’t killing the Corpus cause we view them as lesser or unpure, we’re killing them cause they are doing ecoterrorism.

[sweet wadi]

I agree it's needed, I just think the language is regretable.

[restive river]

Maybe

Again, Nightcap is a Corpus
He’s Solaris
This isn’t something motivated by race or class even

[sweet wadi]

Fair enough

[restive river]

He’s viewing them not just as people but as something harming a vital ecosystem, while calling them names

Also like
We do murder Corpus every day, which is arguably worse than somewhat dehumanizing literal capitalist ecoterrorists

It’s really unfortunate for the random corpus crewmates who have as much of a choice as a grineer grunt
They’re trapped in a system they can’t escape and are forced to do horrible things
Or some just
Enjoy it

[sweet wadi]

I'm not trying to aply moral calls to shooting bad guys, just the specific language. It's not a huge deal, just something I noticed and wondered if anyone else did.

[restive river]

With the Corpus how guilty they may be snuffed out by how big their paycheck is and what they did to get there too
Like
Whether or not you feel guilt, if one continues to do horrible things just for grofit idc, my sword is going in their skull

[restive river]

Ah
I doubt the intention was to dehumanize them in the same way other ideologies have, this update doesn’t feel like
that serious

[proper barn]

nah i love it.

[restive river]

Plus if that was the actual case and Nightcap was horrible he’d be on the end of our blade, not just Nef and his cronies

[proper barn]

calling space corpo captilists is great.

[restive river]

Yeah they are also literal capitalists

[proper barn]

they are a invasive species. @sweet wadi

[restive river]

By definition the solaris are too, the difference is they are less terrible

And like
Innocent and not forcing people into slavery

[sweet wadi]

I was about to say, Solaris like some good capitalism

And Darvo is... good?

[restive river]

Darvo, Solaris and Perrin are the closest thing to good capitalists

And one of them is literally forced into the capitalist society

[proper barn]

solaris are just workers.

[restive river]

(The Solaris)

[proper barn]

we support workers.

[restive river]

They are technically corpus workers

[violet storm]

They want to rip up the roots and fruits, which could have unforetold consequences, much like critters called pests and invasive can to environments

[restive river]

Like good corpus and grineer exist, they aren’t all automatically evil

[sweet wadi]

I didn't mean to turn this into a real political thing just commenting on nightcap's words.

[restive river]

Like we would’ve killed Kahl in due time if what happened didnt happen
Heck we probably did kill severals Kahls before him and since

[sweet wadi]

I feel like there's some self loathing in there, he seems to prefer fungus to people.

[proper barn]

unless you are a evil person that wishes to wipe out plants for your palace i think your fine.

[restive river]

Nightcap alludes to the Undermind being integral to Venus’ ecosystem and not being a blistering hot wasteland

[restive river]

Oh probably, he wouldn’t be the first tbh

[restive river]

Plants AND fungi

[proper barn]

yee

[restive river]

They are different!

[sweet wadi]

What about lichen?

[violet storm]

Kahl-175 is unique in that he was one of the few to pull away from the loyalty towards the queens the majority of Grineer have without a defect, or whatever caused cressa to defect

[proper barn]

well he says Roots and Fruits

[violet storm]

It’s why nightcap says roots AND fruits

[proper barn]

i think he means flowering and then the roots

[sweet wadi]

I thought it was the veil breaking that scrambled the loyalty programming. He saw that what Vay Hek did and what Narmer did were functionaly identical.

[proper barn]

anyway bully ceos

[restive river]

Symbiosis!

[restive river]

YE :D

Iirc the thorn shroom is actually referred to as a fruit
So
Idk

[violet storm]

I’ve noticed gorgacious are a common reward from the deepmine bounties

[restive river]

Some are clearly mushrooms but tbh some plants in-game look like mushrooms and aren’t

[sweet wadi]

Unrelated, Nokko is the second 'childlike' frame we've gotten from Solaris, which I find neat.

[restive river]

Yeah I was thinking about the Solaris frames last night

[proper barn]

well they are related

so it kinda makes sense

[restive river]

We got
Garuda, the goreframe
Baruuk, the monkframe
Hildryn, the shieldframe
Yareli, the k-drive/waterframe
and now Nokko, the mushroomframe

Yareli and Nokko are related
Garuda and Baruuk are opposites
And Hildryn is alone, but she has a big gun!

Vallis frame family reunion when

[sweet wadi]

Nokko and Yareli are both sort of 'youthful rogues' in different ways.

[restive river]

I love how Nokko is very fae-like

[sweet wadi]

Nokko is kind of 'the child in the woods' (or shrooms in this case) and Yareli is a classic super hero/manga character

[restive river]

Nokko in personality, somewhat lore and def in vibe is a fairy

Which is fitting cause
Oberon rework!

[sweet wadi]

Nokko feels like if Peter Pan got really into mycology

[restive river]

Also Nokko has protrusions that look like fairy/elf ears

And again the fairy circle connection with his
Absolute whimsy

And being a protector of the enviorment

[sweet wadi]

And the tripping balls

[restive river]

DE kinda cooked??

Nokko’s shockingly fun to play too

And oh so silly
His sound design is peak

[sweet wadi]

Still grinding him but he looks neat

[restive river]

I think Nokko might have the most “voice” lines for a frame, that’s not a proto

Like every ability there’s a something i swear

[proper barn]

umbra has a SCREAM but that's not more than him really.

[restive river]

Dante has a lot
I believe Koumei does too?

But Nokko, I swear he might just have the most

[grand rune]

Hear me out, The Man in the Wall absolutely slams everyone from Destiny

[restive river]

I think the Tenno do too (I know nothing of Destiny other than it’s pitted against WF for no reason)

[grand rune]

Ikr, I can’t go 5 minutes without a destiny playing feeling the need to dump on Warframe

[strange plinth]

i just know that people have a weird obsession w/ powerscaling

[grand rune]

Bro it’s unhealthy

[woven coyote]

Now i am just imagining hildryn naming her muscles to feel less lonely

[grand rune]

Also where did u get the grineer thing for your pfp

[humble sierra]

Speaking of Hildryn and Muscles, what do we think about that new glyph

[woven coyote]

Muscle power/10

[strange plinth]

discord quest, play 15 minutes of warframe while its connected/active iirc

[strange plinth]

yea that

[grand rune]

Ty

[sweet wadi]

…. Ok Neff just made a good point and I don’t like that.

How much ecological damage did Lotus cause by hiding the moon?

[woven coyote]

Pretty sure he doesnt talk about ecological damage but rather about having a safe house

[restive river]

Awww
Yeah that’s canon now

[restive river]

Yeah
Also moving the moon from the void was a necessity vs any damages it caused

Which there’s not even really an ecosystem beyond plants left by the Orokin

[woven coyote]

Pretty sure he complains about us having a safe heaven in the void and how we arent letting him literally build a palace sized bunker no matter the ecological consequences

[restive river]

It’s kinda just a big. Idk mall? It’s the capital moon, not a whole environment integral to a planet to prevent it from going back to uninhabitable

[restive river]

Yeah this exactly

[kind sparrow]

How many tenno are awake?

[sweet wadi]

Do we count Grendel’s Uwu and various gut sounds?

[dire mountain]

Uwu yes

[restive river]

Yes

[eternal sand]

Something I wondered, how many of the lil shroom guys noises are actually vocal intentions and how many are just… farts. Lack of a better word because 90% of the sounds they make just sound like toots

[sweet wadi]

I mean they are rather cheeked up

[humble sierra]

However many players complete the Second Dream

[pine orchid]

my headcanon is that their little toots is what lets them double even triple jump XD

[proper barn]

Idk. I think the earth isn't one to one to our current earth anyway.

But the like damage to the system overall would have been worse if we weren't kept safe.

[misty salmon]

tidal ecosystems would have been wiped straight out, but they're also surprisingly fragile to begin with, hard to say if they survived all the other stuff to get to "yup, no more tides, sorry"

[digital lark]

So is ||nightcap|| technically dead or is it smth like ||the mushrooms making it seem like he’s alive||

[lean garden]

in warframe death is always just a suggestion lol

[digital lark]

True true

[atomic badge]

who's the scholar mentioned in isleweaver btw

is it albrecht?

[strange plinth]

yea

[proper barn]

Yes

[proper barn]

@hard zodiac do you have a lore question or something?

[hard zodiac]

Anyone knows Varuna's lore like is it she was made by someone to be beast like or is it something deeper

[proper barn]

she has a WHOLE thing in game you can listen to

if you go to the CODEX and then the leverian

i don't wish to spoil it here for you right now.

it's all narrated and it talks about her dogs and everything.

[hard zodiac]

I heard it i can't really understand it it's a guardian frame based on the lore in game but was it clarified who made her?

Or did she just exist that's my question

[proper barn]

i mean all the warframes where made by

ballas/the orokin

[hard zodiac]

But proto frames was made by Albrecht and then the standard frames if we look at 1999s lore

[proper barn]

not that second part

Who told you albretch made normal frames?

[hard zodiac]

I was told by a person who played beta

[proper barn]

they are wrong.

Ballas oversaw the warframe project and had a hand in making most of them.

[hard zodiac]

Ah

[proper barn]

albretch takes SAMPLES of current frames

back in time to make the proto frames.

he doesn't make any frames.

also every prime trailer is narratored by ballas

cuz he is like presenting his creation to the 7

[hard zodiac]

So then the man in the wall any lore on that so far?

[proper barn]

what do you mean?

we have a lot of wally lore currently

all of like um

isle weaver is wally yelling at us

through what's her faces body./

[hard zodiac]

Like what caused him to appear it wasn't very clear if its due to the drifter or the operator

[strange plinth]

hold on does this mean that ballas n parvos had that weird tension in the middle of a presentation room with the rest of the 7

[proper barn]

when?

[proper barn]

nah i think that one was just to parvos.

[hard zodiac]

Or what the man in the wall originated from

[proper barn]

oh

[hard zodiac]

Durivi quest

[proper barn]

we have albretch for that.

Duviri isn't wally

duviri is made by the drifter

[hard zodiac]

Ik but after the quest he talks to you and after 1999

[proper barn]

but if you want wallys like

first sighting we do have that.

[hard zodiac]

So it's not clear what made it Albrecht was scared of it though but no clarification on why

[proper barn]

it was also how we got void travel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es8uOniZzZI

[hard zodiac]

Albrecht was obsessed with void power so wouldn't he try to control it?

[proper barn]

@hard zodiac have you seen this?

[hard zodiac]

No i havent

[proper barn]

this is the first time albretch goes to the void

it's also how they get void travel.

[strange plinth]

was trying to summarize that from memory but its prolly better to just watch it tbh

[proper barn]

@hard zodiac BUT Voruna if you listened to the laverian. her original purpose was to be a guard to the Yuvan Cermony place where orokin would change bodies.

well the highest class orokin

[hard zodiac]

Ah

[proper barn]

with her Kubrowdons. @hard zodiac

normal Kubrodons

The levarian describes how she is tracking one of the Seven Orokin Leaders Tuvul and how she trackh him back to that place. @hard zodiac

and all her Kubrowdons die

And she drinks all the Kuva tuvul was gonna use

for his continuty to combine with them

into the voruna with the dog heads we see.

[hard zodiac]

Oh hm seems highly emotional

[proper barn]

and she kills tuvul.

i mean

this is the person that starved kids on the zariman.

Like he isn't a good guy.

also he was gonna continuty into a childs body to live longer.

seeminlgy vorunas operator.

[hard zodiac]

Oh it's the same one i though it was a different person

[proper barn]

anyway watch

[strange plinth]

i do wonder how we get our hands on that voruna rather than the "base model" that has a separate pack
assuming she isn't unique

[proper barn]

the video we linked.

[hard zodiac]

Ok

[proper barn]

@hard zodiac have you played the zariman quest?

[hard zodiac]

Yes

[proper barn]

okay

you know the Big finger drive

[hard zodiac]

I've done all but didn't really pay attention

[proper barn]

okay

for a ship to be able to void jump

they either NEED to use a solar rail that connects to another solar rail.

OR have a Finger Drive.

[hard zodiac]

The big variman ship right and how it's stuck in-between worlds?

So it's stuck in-between worlds due to the finger drive?

[strange plinth]

between the origin system and the void
but somewhat yea
the finger drive allows it to travel between those

[proper barn]

now it's what allows it to hyper space jump.

it's how the RJ works too

it's why it can void jump at any time.

while normal ships have to use solar rails.

[hard zodiac]

Ah

[proper barn]

cuz they have a gaint void finger in them.

as their void drive. our normal ship does not have one.

it's also why the RJ is so feared cuz other the zariman it would be the only ship with a Requilariy drive.

[hard zodiac]

Oh

[proper barn]

like it can strike anywhere and then leave

whenever it wantts.

[hard zodiac]

So does that make lotus one of the 7? Since ballas knew her past and the once she called brother or how stalker is highly feared due to hunhow

[proper barn]

Also no one has done a Successful Requlirary void jump outside of the origin system.

[proper barn]

Lotus is not one of the seven at all.

huh

[hard zodiac]

I should say Natah

[proper barn]

@hard zodiac Lotus is just the like leader/handler of the tenno. he's not a orokin. not even a little bit.

natah neither.

[hard zodiac]

Oh?

[proper barn]

what

who told you natah was one of the 7

what made you think that?

Mariglus was killed by the seven.

Mariglus was a archimedian a scientist not a orokin.

not one of the seven either.

[hard zodiac]

I just thought she was due to her obsence power and high knowledge of frames and their weakness

[strange plinth]

Natah is a sentient mimic, Lotus is Natah after being reprogrammed to act more like margulis by ballas in lua
-# she gets reprogrammed a couple times..

[proper barn]

nah.

yeah.

Also ballas wanted to destory the orokin as well

cuz even though he killed mariguls

he blames the other 7.

@hard zodiac also Ballas was more a love to Lotus cuz he was trying to replace margilus who was also his lover but she also hated him.

so you know.

[strange plinth]

her knowledge of the frames and tenno comes from her controlling/leading the tenno during the latter parts of the old war + night of naga drums

[proper barn]

yeah.

[hard zodiac]

Oh

[proper barn]

yeah she leads the tenno to kill all the orokin

on the night of the naga drums.

also albretch is a orokin yes so are the family.

we even killed Son's fiance during the night of naga drums.

also all warframes used to be people. Yareli was even gonna be used as ballas next body but she was too sassy so he made her into a warframe.

[unique talon]

Nokko is a fungus, does he have any relation with the infestation?

[gritty bane]

probably not, the vallis mushrooms don't seem to be consuming all flesh around them like the infestation on deimos does

[unique talon]

Also, how exactly did the orokin create the infestation, based on some real biological laws we have in real life?

[gritty bane]

it's the future, they robo magic designed it I guess

[unique talon]

Like mixing bacteria, bio technology and funguses?

[pale cedar]

Orokin didn’t create the Infestation

[gritty bane]

they did tho, to destroy the sentients

[ocean geyser]

They made the helminth, yes, but not the whole thing

[gritty bane]

one of their many failed plans

[ocean geyser]

The Infested existed long before they did (Techrot)

[unique talon]

"We cultured the infestation, the helminth was created.."

[pale cedar]

Infestation is in 1999 and there’s no Orokin in 1999

[ocean geyser]

That doesn’t mean they made the entire infestation

That means they made the Helminth… which is in that exact sentence

[pale cedar]

Orokin weaponised something that already existed

[unique talon]

Sentients cannot adapt to biological weapons, so that was their best strategy

[gritty bane]

1999 is techrot, also uuuuuuuuuuh maybe entrati brought some with him? u might be right

[ocean geyser]

No???? 😭

[pale cedar]

Techrot is a strain of the Infestation

[ocean geyser]

The Techrot’s basically the original strain

a Proto-Infestation

[unique talon]

Now I'm legitimately confused

Did the orokin create the whole infestation, alongside the helminth? Or already existed before?

[ocean geyser]

The techrot was first and developed over the years to become the infestation

[pale cedar]

No

[gritty bane]

this is what the wiki says so presumably the techrot predates the infestation and wasn't brought to the past

[ocean geyser]

Then the Orokin made the Helminth from it

[pale cedar]

Techrot is one of if not the first strain of the Infestation

1999 is the actual past

[ocean geyser]

“We cultured the infestation” just means they grew that shit like we grow plants on farms

[gritty bane]

they developed the Infestation™ we fight as an enemy faction, then created the helminth strain later as an offshoot

[ocean geyser]

Huh…?

Gang where are you getting that

[gritty bane]

from the quest on mercury where we unleash the infestation, pretty sure Lotus mentions the orokin using it as a bio weapon against rebelling colonies

[pale cedar]

Infestation predates the Orokin which 1999 is proof of

Lotus says it predates the Orokin

[ocean geyser]

That
Doesn’t mean they made it

Us humans make farms
Does that mean we invented plants?
No lmao

[pale cedar]

They weaponised something that already existed

[unique talon]

So their scientist discovered the infestation and realized they could turn that discovery into a weapon?

A bio weapon more precisely

[restive river]

It’s the furthest back strain, we don’t know the exact origins

[pale cedar]

They discovered they could weaponise the existing Infeatation to make another Strain

[restive river]

Helminth is basically a domesticated strain

[pale cedar]

Yeah

There’s multiple strains that exist

[unique talon]

That's my main doubt: where and how did they discover the technocyte?

[ocean geyser]

It sort of just spread on its own as humanity left earth, iirc

[pale cedar]

It has been a thing since the 1990s

[unique talon]

Technically is an alien lifeform

[pale cedar]

We are never told how making it works

[ocean geyser]

There’s a lot of history between 1999 and the creation of the Orokin Empire

Radiation Wars and genetic wars and stuff

[restive river]

Okay so

1. No Orokin in 1999 so they’re not involved
2. We don’t know, just that the first known sightings we have are in Hollvania and that Scaldra messed with it later on

[restive river]

Nope, it’s quite possibly native to earth

We don’t know if it’s natural or man made but it’s unlikely to be alien

[unique talon]

Now that's a contradiction

[pale cedar]

Quite literally considering there’s no space travel yet and fighting Coda is an Earth orbit thing

[restive river]

It’s unlikely to be from outside the system and the furthest back we have seen it is on Earth.

[unique talon]

Eris seems to give us some clues of it

Since it's a literal dump planet

[pale cedar]

Eris doesn’t give us clues on origin

The earliest Origin we have is 1999

1999 is before we could even get to Eris

[restive river]

Eris is a moon

[unique talon]

Dwarf planet

[restive river]

Anyway
We don’t know the exact origins nor do we even know if it’s man made or natural

[restive river]

Oh yeah it is

Anyway
Eris doesn’t allude to origin

Nothing does in fact

[unique talon]

Lizzie seems to know something about it

[pale cedar]

1999 is the closest to an actual origin

[ocean geyser]

Tends to happen when you’re a guitar made of it

[unique talon]

Remember that she said that their collective consciousness can cross realities

[restive river]

She’s of the infestation ofc she does lol

[ocean geyser]

Hm
How the hell does she type?

[restive river]

It crosses time and timelines

[ocean geyser]

Or does she just plug herself in?

[restive river]

She takes over Flare

[ocean geyser]

oh

[restive river]

She makes them eat stuff they shouldn’t

[unique talon]

Venom

[restive river]

From what I recall it seems like the infestation always happens, it “spreads” in all directions

[pale cedar]

Flare doesn’t like it being called a symbiotic relationship

[restive river]

Tbh the more we find out about it the more it sounds like the opposite of the void lol

[pale cedar]

It don’t like the Void

[ocean geyser]

Factual

[restive river]

It do not

[ocean geyser]

I don’t think we know what Wally thinks of it though

[restive river]

The Infested do not the void

[restive river]

Probably nothing

[pale cedar]

Wally gave it emotional damage

[restive river]

He’s indifferent to most things unless they impede him iirc

Or intrigue him

[ocean geyser]

He likes unique stuff, so yeah

[pale cedar]

Infestation wants to consume and because it can’t consume Void it is afraid of it

[ocean geyser]

Maybe he’d be interested by a Kavor Defector charger

[restive river]

That was more so a theory Albrecht had that didn’t really work

[ocean geyser]

I mean
He was sorta right, no?

[restive river]

I mean sorta

[ocean geyser]

Because I’m pretty sure Rell’s autism intrigued him
Which i feel is funny for some reason

[restive river]

Iirc Rell saw him partly due to his autism

[ocean geyser]

That would also make sense

[restive river]

Idk if Wally was interested because of it

[pale cedar]

Rell was intrigued by him not Wally being intrigued by the Autism

[restive river]

Also in terms of what is unique like
Everything outside the void would be

[pale cedar]

Rell recognised Wally was also Emotionally challenged

[restive river]

Albrecht’s theory was that it liked unique things and that he could dumb it down

Which we know how the panned out

[ocean geyser]

To be fair I doubt Wally would be interested by the 4 billionth Grineer lancer or Moa-37463729

[pale cedar]

Wally gave animals a free language which was so kind of him

[ocean geyser]

There’s a lot of non unique things in the system

[restive river]

Clones and mass produced robots aren’t unique if you’re aware of what they are yeah

[ocean geyser]

He also killed Tagfer’s mate so there’s that

[restive river]

Compared to the void?

[pale cedar]

Nah, Albrecht did that

[restive river]

That wasn’t him?

[ocean geyser]

Thought she died of void exposure?

[restive river]

Fib was scared and Albrecht put them in that mess

[restive river]

Yeah that would
Still be Albrecht/Fib

[pale cedar]

Which Albrecht caused by throwing them into the Void

[restive river]

Fib feels guilty for a reason

Albrecht wasn’t throwing them at Wally, he was just throwing them into the void

[pale cedar]

Actually, why weren’t we ever affected by Void exposure?

[restive river]

In the hope that it would dumb down Wally under the guise of ooo unique

[restive river]

Zariman likely had shielding and after our DNA is saturated by the void likely due to our piece of Wally so we are likely immune by this point

Idk if radiation would do much if you’re infused with it and can become it at will

[pale cedar]

I guess we do have a bit of the guy who has been living in the Void his entire life

[restive river]

Bro is made of the nonstuff

[pale cedar]

Actually wasn’t Vista Suite also made to protect from Void exposure?

[ocean geyser]

Makes me wonder if the Void naturally smushed the 3 warframes that became Xaku together or if Wally did it

[pale cedar]

Wasn’t Wally

[ocean geyser]

Fair enough

[restive river]

Probably the void reacting to the lost’s emotions

“I’m lonely and sad and broken ):”
said the 3 random pieces
“I can fix that”
Said the void, probably

[pale cedar]

Wally was never really seen by anyone again till Rell got killed then Baro deal then our story stuff

[restive river]

Conceptual embodiment and all that

[pale cedar]

Wally would probably destroy the frame completely for treading on his turf

[restive river]

His sightings are
Albrecht
Zariman
War Within and Chains
Duviri at random intervals
Baro
And then New War and Whispers

[pale cedar]

And then 1999

[restive river]

Yee

He’s had more and more sightings ofc

[pale cedar]

Well it is his arc

[ocean geyser]

Wally jumpscare (literally)

[restive river]

But prior to Xaku
Just Albrecht and the Zariman

And maybe Duviri but that one is weirder

[pale cedar]

The Duviri one is complicated because he’s shown up multiple times

[restive river]

Yeahh

And those times may or may not coincide with other events

[final cloak]

also theres this npc in duviri that vanishes the second it exits your screen (and it does not have its right index finger)

can confrim besides baroo's fashion change, no other npc has anything different

[lean garden]

ah the vagabond

[sweet wadi]

||What are the odds that Nightcap is a self aware Last of Us zombie?||

Actually, do any of the other Solaris ever acknowledge nightcap’s existence?

[violet storm]

Nef Said he’s not on any worker list or Debt Ledger, so very unlikely

Reminder Eudi is the floor boss of Fortuna, so those are probably things she has access to(at least worker lists)

[sweet wadi]

That by itself isn’t surprising, I’m sure Duck and Biz are under false names in the system if they even still exist in it.

[violet storm]

Fair, but I assume most Solaris wouldn’t want to mess with a vent full of fungal spores and roots

[sweet wadi]

The dreams seem to indicate that was initially Nightcap’s job. His rig is more ‘armored’ and oriented towards spelunking, so I think that was just his role initially.

[violet storm]

They probably think if someone hasn’t returned, the worst has happened and who he may have been is dead

[sweet wadi]

That’s my thought yeah. That he’s not reached out at all to give them a hello is odd to me though. Yeah he prefers the roots now, but you’d think he’d want to let his mates know what’s going on.

Like, he clearly still supports them because he frees solaris agents.

Which is why I’m uncertain if ||We’re actually talking to Nightcap or a fungal colony left by Nokko that think’s it’s the original.||

A Solaris’s memories can be removed or stored, right?

[golden raptor]

why don't we meet other operators in the story

[restive river]

Chains of Harrow;
The New War:

[golden raptor]

rell, i get. but new war?

[restive river]

We don’t meet many cause the other operators we’re technically meeting are other players
But in terms of NPCs we have Rell and the Zariman kids

[restive river]

Zariman kids

We talk to them before we interact with the man in the wall

[strange turtle]

He was also presumably relatively “high” up in the mine workers from how he talks and what we know, and does also note that the main difference between them is that he learned “what could and should be done are different”, so it’s not like he actually feels that way about them

[golden raptor]

yeah but those aren't "operators" those are just kids

[strange turtle]

Oh damn that was ages ago

[restive river]

Pre-tenno tenno are still tenno

They will get powers same as us after the deal and likely go on to be operators same as us

Nothing suggests they died
So

[golden raptor]

idk, seems weird we've gotten this far into the story without other named operators other than rell.

[restive river]

I mean

Again, other players

Your operator’s name is technically your username and other players are canon, to a point

[golden raptor]

do we play as the main operator?

[restive river]

The chosen operator

We all both are and aren’t them, not for a lore reason but cause video game

In my playthrough I’m the chosen operator but you’re just a random tenno
And in yours you’re the chosen operator and I’m a random tenno

I do hope that in terms of npcs we may get to meet some eventually, the closest we may get for the near future is Adis

Who isn’t really a tenno but does seem to operate a giant warcrime machine much like we do

Heck it falls to the knees in a similar, if not the same way the frames have been shown to do

If there was ever a time it might be the old peace, maybe Tau 2026

[golden raptor]

would love to see some inter tenno conflict in the story that isn't conclave related, i mean we can't ALL be THAT united, right?