lore-discussion

[raven urchin]

Yes, but we were talking exactly about part of the personality being transfered to the operator, Isaah was an example of a tacital meaning of it. I could use the Noble and Agile Animations as an example as well

[strange turtle]

It’s not though

The stuff with Operator getting confused from Umbras memory is because Umbra has that single burning memory in his head over and over

[raven urchin]

Alright than

[strange turtle]

The “bits and pieces” that give us the animation sets aren’t even complete memories

[pale cedar]

Rewatched that section she doesn’t say anything along those lines

[bright nimbus]

"Why would we do operators and drifters in the same update other than to torture ourselves"

Also the new protoframes have already been confirmed dateable

If they were only met through memory they'd never meet drifter and just be the frames in the modern era

[raven urchin]

Is it confirmed that the religious trio is in Old Peace? I really thought it would be a separated update

[silk atlas]

Those are different updates

[bright nimbus]

No? The devils triad are in the old peace update

[silk atlas]

wait.

[bright nimbus]

"Part of the old peace but what we're calling an entrati side story"

[silk atlas]

Odd they're not just slapping it in like a "smaller" title update like how there was Jade Shadows that was mostly just Ascension content-wise

[bright nimbus]

Because the "smaller" future update is the modern tau

[silk atlas]

Even then, Entrati not being in the past rn is weird with this, so it'd be just as likely that the protos are just protos in the present.

Modern Tau being called the "smaller" future update is WILD

[bright nimbus]

Thats just not how the protos work though?

[silk atlas]

Nah that's the BIG one for next year

[raven urchin]

Modern Tau will be big what u talkin about

[bright nimbus]

Hence the quotes

[raven urchin]

Oh, still doesnt make sense though

[silk atlas]

wdym that's not how they work? Nothing is confining them to only be produced in 1999. Albrecht just modified Warframe strain to slow it down. He could've just as easily sticked with it in the present.

[bright nimbus]

I was just saying it the way sealskin did

[silk atlas]

Like, yeah, them being thrown back to the past to work with KIM is also a possibility.

[bright nimbus]

Temple is flare though, they will eventually become the frames we know them as

[pale cedar]

We can take them into the future nothing says we can’t take them into the past

[silk atlas]

Temple was already designed by the Orokin for Albrecht to steal and modify from.

[raven urchin]

There's too little normal humans for the triad be in the present though

Aside rothe

[silk atlas]

Same as all the other frames. Just that Temple didn't have an actual frame made of them before.

[bright nimbus]

Thats how all the frames are, the master copy if you will of Temple is Flare who then gets so infested they become temple

[raven urchin]

Just Flare, DE already made a statement about it

[silk atlas]

wdym too little normal humans? DE can just... make more crop up for when the story demands so. Like how they talked about the Orokin fall but there's still the odd couple still strewn about the system.

[pale cedar]

I feel the side story part is just gonna be them travelling into the past

[bright nimbus]

Or theyre already in the past and we travel to it ourselves?

[raven urchin]

There's no religion in the future, Sol and Lua is a thing from the past no?

Also their names, they are not futuristix

[silk atlas]

The whole thing is that Albrecht still needed the original Warframe models that were developed in Warframe's present time to copy from in order to even make the Protos in the first place.

[bright nimbus]

I mean red veil is a cult but thats its own thing

[pale cedar]

There is religion in past and future see Vain faith

[silk atlas]

Okay wait actually I never considered that it could be just Roathe who was shunted back to the past and the other two are already from 1999. That'd be interesting.

[bright nimbus]

They said they were done with 1999 for now

[silk atlas]

Then they'd just be protos in the modern day. Holding out that Roathe is one of the two unaccounted-for executors

[raven urchin]

That is what I think

[eternal sand]

So where is parvos rn? Is he able to leave the Granum void at will or is he still stuck there but able to manipulate it?

[raven urchin]

And than they made Frost Saryn Flare and Nova

[bright nimbus]

No they said that after they released or the devstreams talking about them I cant remember exactly

[pale cedar]

He doesn't leave Granum Void nothing says he is actually stuck there still

[silk atlas]

Parvos is just still there but still causing issues through the people who work for him.

[silk atlas]

They said that after the Encore.

[bright nimbus]

I think right before the isleweaver announcement they said they were leaving the 1999 setting for the foreseeable future

[eternal sand]

Damn he really is a corporate manager

[raven urchin]

From Warframe website - Father Lyon Allard (Harrow)
Recognizable by his righteous thurible, Father Lyon is visited by both terrible evil and visions of a future that needs him.

Marie Leroux (Wisp)
Carried by her devotion, the faithful Marie is put to the test with a profane and unexpected emergence…

[bright nimbus]

A future like being the frame of the tenno who holds back the man in the wall?

[pale cedar]

We hold back Man in the Wall

[bright nimbus]

No rell did before us

[pale cedar]

Rell did before us doesn't mean we don't

[eternal sand]

The worst part for Marie is that her feet fell off

[pale cedar]

It is stated we do

[strange turtle]

I think they mean Lyon becoming Rell’s Harrow

[eternal sand]

Rell died for our survival

[bright nimbus]

Yeah

[silk atlas]

I'd say that's pretty pointless since Lyon's mind would be gone by that point so it being Lyon or not doesn't mean much, but if they wanna do that that's fine ig

[pale cedar]

Can people stop thinking Rell is the only person who can use Harrow

[silk atlas]

That too

[bright nimbus]

Hes not? Its just probable Rell had the original Harrow and not a copy

[strange turtle]

Protos aren’t ogs

Except for technically Flare/Temple

[silk atlas]

1. Nothing mentions his being an "original"
2. Lyon just... isn't the original. Every other frame besides Temple was made and put to use in the modern day.

[bright nimbus]

And they cant make that exception again?

[strange turtle]

They could but it’s not a valid theory

[silk atlas]

No because Harrow was already made in present day Warframe and Rell somehow got a hold of it

[strange turtle]

Because there’s nothing to actually suggest it

[silk atlas]

Lyon being the original means that there wouldn't have been any other Harrows in present day before Albrecht went and stuck Lyon.

[bright nimbus]

Yeah thats called a boot strap paradox

[silk atlas]

Which they haven't done, even with Temple.

[pale cedar]

There's no bootstrap in 1999

[strange turtle]

Like, if you had done it for Flare and Temple back before Encore it wouldn’t have been valid either, because before they got added we had no reason to believe that’d be the case, it was a surprise

[silk atlas]

The rest of the Hex frames minus Temple would just be dead or a single copy of a frame that has already been in production in the Orokin era

[raven urchin]

Pretty technically since Temple just came on time for the Naga drums if I recall

[silk atlas]

Temple isn't even really a technically since the Orokin just never made a Temple before. They still had the blueprints for them though.

[raven urchin]

Also on Marie topic, her faith is put to test when a profane and unexpected aparition emerges(translated from the portugues website)

Which means Roathe or Uriel appear to her

Meaning her life was tranquil until here comes the devil

Which can mean as a marty mcfly falling in his mother courtyard 20 years in the past

I mean, mcflea

[eternal sand]

So what does temple even do? Like after he sits on an asteroid for 30K years?

[raven urchin]

Kill Orokins

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-guitar-guy-gif-18984063

[eternal sand]

Is he even conscious at that point? Won't the helminth eventually decay them into a husk with a fractured mind... Like umbra but less violent schizophrenia

[silk atlas]

That's what they're talking about in the good ending email yes

They know they're gonna already have their mind gone by that point

[eternal sand]

It would be cool if we meet them in the old peace and Lizzie is dragging them around, not physically but being the glue holding them together

Ol grandpa with dementia temple and his guitar

Temple falls down the stairs and can't get up, not because of a broken back, he just forgot how to

[tall echo]

They*

[tall echo]

They*

[tall echo]

They*

[eternal sand]

🤓☝️

[proper barn]

Flare and temple where said to be they explicitly by the creator of them.

Like come on dawg.

[eternal sand]

To correct someone once for a mistake is one thing, to do it three times is petty 🤓☝️ behavior

[ashen pulsar]

Probably a glitch

[proper barn]

Oh i see. I think it was a discord glitch.

[eternal sand]

No, they selected 3 different messages. They were trying to be obnoxious, if it was a glitch all the replies would be to the same message

[tall echo]

Not a glitch, fully intentional

[tall echo]

Repeating it three times isn't a mistake

I am incredibly petty when it comes to basic decency, even towards fictional characters

[graceful fable]

Which there has been a decent amount of creators that have gone out of their way to be kind of a turd about the fact that Temple is non-binary so understandable

[crimson nexus]

Ye Flare def gets misgendered far too often which sucks bc I love them

[graceful fable]

They're (honestly probably although this is entirely skill issue,) I like them a lot more than Octavia when it comes to gameplay

[ocean geyser]

reasonable

Anyway I love how Flare goes "Lizzie will keep me from oversleeping"
it makes me imagine them just curled up on a bed inside the comet, taking a big ol nap with Lizzie propped up nearby them

[restive river]

Not a skill issue
Octavia has really boring gameplay

Octavia is in the group of frames of “so good they are boring” whilst Temple/Flare is like. Actually fun and unique

[forest lagoon]

To not learn is pretty “🤓☝️” behavior

[raw stone]

I do kinda want Octavia to be a bit more active but to be honest. How do you change that type of frame. Music is so ingrained with her.

[eternal sand]

Have her abilities have alt modes. Like you click to swap and hold to cast and each alt can have a different element so in the end you're swapping beats mid cast, remixing your music like a DJ

[solemn slate]

In the origin system are there any vegetables?

[violet storm]

I mean, why wouldn’t there be? Probably mainly just earth, but yeah.

[solemn slate]

Cetus is fish and tower meat (with some fruit) and idek if fortuna has food. Also the grineer probably eat mulch so like... idk who is growing veggies

[violet storm]

Wild Vegetables.

[eternal sand]

All vegetables were eaten by the infested once it desired more iron in its diet. After eating all the vegetables it turned to the less appetizing rocks

[iron tiger]

Do you guys think planet 9 exists in warframe

As like a possibility

[restive river]

Cetus is one place on earth
They def have veggies

[restive river]

No iirc it’s been disproven to exist

[iron tiger]

Ahhh man where

[restive river]

I don’t recall exactly since this has been an off and on topic over the years

It’s just unlikely to exist if nothing else

[iron tiger]

Are there any locations mentioned in warframe aside from tau that we have not been to?

There’s the cities: New uxmal, Altra, reshantaur, juran maybe

[restive river]

Corposium

[iron tiger]

Oh yeah good one

[restive river]

No planets, maybe moons, def cities and settlements

We likely don’t see a majority of civilians for example

[iron tiger]

I bet you the majority of them are in unaffiliated ships

[restive river]

Cetus and Fortuna are at areas where we’d like
Actually have to go due to what’s happening there

[restive river]

Maybe

We know SM helps civilians the most tbh

[iron tiger]

Which reminds me the ostron have great floating markets

[iron tiger]

What is SM?

[restive river]

Steel Meridian

[iron tiger]

Oh yeah

[restive river]

They’re the only faction that helps civilians

[iron tiger]

That’s because they’re kinda like don’t tread on me type of people yk

[restive river]

Suda’s busy
Arbiters chill with us
Perrin is just “good capitalists”
Loka is earth extremists
And red veil are a literal cult that abduct people for their anarchic cause

[restive river]

They know hard ship due to being Grineer defectors, it makes sense they help civilians

[iron tiger]

Idk what Loka is on about purity literally all natural life except the silver grove maybe went extinct after the great plague

[eternal sand]

Are thumpers on the plains of edilon Mining machines retrofitted for war or war machines that also have mining capabilities?

[restive river]

Like I said, they’re extremists
It’s really messed up that they believe there can’t be a “good Grineer”

Like they literally hate them for a genetic detail that’s not their fault, and even when they genetically defect (or somehow defect even without that like Kahl) they don’t like em

It’s kinda funny how “evil” some of our closest allies can be (Loka and Red Veil mostly)

Perrin isn’t that bad they’re just the goodest of the capitalists

[iron tiger]

Ngl I’d love to see a syndicate saga of quests or sum

[iron tiger]

Corpus capitalism is very strange because it’s like some weird reverse Buddhism with the void as it’s “god”

[restive river]

It’s just a pyramid scheme lol

[restive river]

Same, I’d love an Arbiters quest tbh

[iron tiger]

They seem like they’re religious too

[restive river]

Not in the same way really

[iron tiger]

Spiritual but not religious

[restive river]

They more so understand the Tenno could be greater from what I recall

[restive river]

Yeee
I’d say they’re almost monk-like

The vibe the Arbiters bring feel similar to Teshin
Like they would def be Dax and have a whole code of honor to keep balance

[iron tiger]

I wonder what they want with us they clearly want us to be stronger, I wonder if the red veil isn’t the only faction aware of the lidless eye and the arbiters have a different view of Wally

Perhaps strength through wally

Or fulfill our end of the deal

[eternal sand]

From what I gathered by parvos' story, the crux of corpus beliefs, it's just anarchism. If you want it and are determined to have something enough you will rightfully have it. Underhanded and deplorable tactics are smiled upon because if it gets you what you wanted, then you wanted it more than the person you got it from wanted to keep it

[iron tiger]

Why does he call the corpus board as it was deplorable and slothful? Do you think the corpus board became authoritarian capitalists instead?

[eternal sand]

For example. I want to shoot this child in the face. The mom, dad and child don't want me to shoot them in the face. The dad hires some goons for defense but I inevitably shoot them all in the face.

By corpus doctrine I am in the right because my success is proof I wanted to shoot them in the face more than they didn't want to be shot.

Corpus truly are deplorable, we should shoot them in the face

[eternal sand]

I think it's because they rely too much on each other. The fact the members of the board are complacent being on the board and not ruling the board proves to parvos that they don't want to rule true and are thus weak. The board likes it's peaceful mergers where you go willingly to the organ harvester. Parvos will punt you into it.

If that sister of his isn't planning to stab him in the jugular then he will most likely stab and replace her

[iron tiger]

No wonder the grineer still have power im surprised we don’t see corpus rebellions more often, that sounds incredibly unstable

[misty salmon]

Parvos' ideology is supposed to include personal work towards personal goals. The modern board has decided that all that requires is ordering some lacky they can't remember the name of to do the thing. Parvos finds this lacking.

[iron tiger]

How would this even work it’s seems very counterintuitive to have hierarchy with weak cooperation between higher ups

[eternal sand]

You see, parvos is a sociopath who confuses his personal desires of wealth with the whispering of a higher being in his ear.

He's not right in the head

[misty salmon]

Not well, even at the best of times, with a strong leader, the Corpus are a bit like those companies where the C-suite has decided that each department should be in constant competition with every other department to make some arbitrary metrics every quarter. Lacking that they've got a whole bunch of equally powerful people chasing random schemes and limited ability to weed out the bad ones.

[iron tiger]

Ok I guess that makes sense sense

[ionic coral]

Didn’t parvos blow up a station with people on it after luring in teno as a research thingy to develop spectors

[proper barn]

@iron tiger parvos is still a monster.

Okay Parvos is MegaTron and the Board are Starscream.

Like they are both giantatic evil monsters they just both want to be in power.

[lean garden]

I wonder then who is soundwave

the one competent fella who actually believes and understands the Boss's vision

[restive river]

Vala?

[lean garden]

right the first sister

[lilac aspen]

Parvos is evil but he’s not cartoonishly evil. He is more along the lines of reasonable and knows things can be solved without needing to pull out a gun.

Compared to the Board
Who are 100% greedy grubby folk that even Parvos hates and would sell the Board would probably sell their own mothers to win.

[normal mountain]

Yes, and also possibly no
Consider the fact that Parvos can speak Voidtongue, and the implications that fact poses

or, at least, he has spoken it on at least one occasion

[proper barn]

No he still wants to do that he just acts like he doesn't sometimes. Like he threatens us like a mob boss at the end of the parvos Quest. He relentless purses Jade just cus. Like even Ordis says he's just as bad as the orokin.

We have multiple people saying he's just as bad if not worse than the orokin.

[misty salmon]

Guy has been chilling on a void island for the last... however long it's been since before the fall. One must develop hobbies.

[proper barn]

His tenants say to lie cheat steal take anything you want

People don't deserve what they got.

[proper barn]

WELL otherworldly voice parvos has spoken void tongue and he has "the devil in his eye" he might be a Wally Puppet.

[normal mountain]

Keep in mind that this was sometime before he got sent to said island

Drusus said he recognized the words during Dante's ill-fated exploration of Albrecht's labs, because he had heard Parvos say them

[misty salmon]

hmm, that's an interesting timeline yes.

[topaz dune]

Hey dumb question but to spell Oberon in tenno language, itd be like this?

[strange turtle]

To be clear that’s the Orokin language, the Tenno don’t have a specific one

[ocean geyser]

Considering we call it the Tennobet, i think we’ve just reclaimed it for ourselves

[tall echo]

who calls it that

[pale cedar]

DE do

Much like how the Corpus and Grineer written language is very much representative of each faction’s attitudes, the Tennobet was created to help create a better visual balance between Tenno brute force and elegance. The process began with taking a full list of English consonants and vowels, breaking down which sounds are most often used in our day-to-day speech. [...] Creating the Tennobet was a challenge of finding which letters, or consonant pairings, could be eliminated to create a more free-flowing written language. Once the base consonants and vowels were established we could then work out a script that incorporated this new lettering in a way that represented the visual aesthetics of Tenno culture.

[ocean geyser]

Yeah
The Tennobet looks like doctor handwriting but sounds identical to english

On another note
I know the Entrati dug in on Deimos to prevent Narmer from accessing the Heart
But surely they would have at least tried anyway, right?

[lean garden]

perhaps they phased out just like what they did before HoD

[ocean geyser]

I mean
Maybe
But it’s still on the Star Chart during NW

[lean garden]

perhaps narmer tapped on the wisdom of the previous sentient forces that tried to take deimos: its not worth it dealing with it

[ocean geyser]

That’d make sense, honestly
They probably all thought the Entrati were dead anyway

And even if they did it, the billions of infested stuck on Deimos were NOT worth dealing with
Plus there were even Necramechs down there too

I just sort of wished we could have seen it

But hey, New War was already long enough i suppose

I was sort of imagining Narmer and Sentient troops dropping onto Deimos and getting their shit rocked

There’s also just the isolated Grineer and Corpus teams already present on Deimos, so that’s also something cool to think about

But yeah, at the end of the day, invading Deimos probably just wasn’t worth it in any regard

Although now it brings me to another question: Why can Vome reactivate Necramechs?

[raven urchin]

You know what I really really wanted? For the other planets to have their own free roam, it is so strange to see Earth, Venus and than from outta nowhere Deimos(which it's placement nowadays is just wrong, should be only after Apostasy Prologue) and then Duviri

About quests I'd also place Deadlock Protocol after Apostasy Prologue so it gives that filler time to players to miss Lotus

[pale cedar]

There's more Infested than there is Sentients they'd just get overwhelmed

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

Which is exactly why i think it’d be cool to see

[raven urchin]

It wouldn't be needed in New War per se, but just like Orb Vallis had changes, Cambria could have sentient bodies displaced at some places

[ocean geyser]

That’d be neat

And they’d just be sitting there because the Infested can’t really infect them

Although i wonder how Caliban had Sentient components built into him then

Unless it, to put it bluntly, was basically just glued to him

[keen flicker]

Lorewise, who do you guys think would genuinely be the strongest warframe?

[pale cedar]

The one you're using

[ocean geyser]

Considering all Warframes get up to extreme nonsense, that’s hard to quantify
Although Atlas did pull a One Punch Man moment

[pale cedar]

Atlas didn't One Punch Man

He broke it down with abilities first so he could punch it once

One Punch Man would've skipped the prep work

[ocean geyser]

Fair enough

[rose estuary]

Idk how qorvex was made but it might’ve been similar to him just caliban was made by erra (I might be wrong on that) while qorvex was made by entrati, loid, etc

[eternal sand]

Do we have any lore about how the bosses fought in the new war up until their defeat to narmer?

[ocean geyser]

Don’t think so

[eternal sand]

Darn. Y'all know the sergeant wouldn't have let narmer win if he didn't sleep in that day

[raven urchin]

What if Caliban is a Sentient that got injected the Helminth batch?

[ocean geyser]

That wouldn’t be possible because the sentients are immune to the Infestation

Probably because they keep adapting and therefore are impossible to infect

[raven urchin]

Maybe normal infestation can't get into their system, but Helminth is made differently

And need to be injected

[raven urchin]

But doesn't infestation also?

[ocean geyser]

Not necessarily in the same way

The only way to clear out a Sentient’s immunity is to expose it to the Void
But the Infestation is scared of that so

[pale cedar]

Infestation are only immune in the way they can't be erased permanently and will keep coming

[raven urchin]

But think it this way, a Sentient in the time of Old Peace, which volunteer for the Warframe program

[raven urchin]

Yee, but also it adapts by mimicking it's host no? Wouldn't that be why there's infested eximus?

[pale cedar]

Caliban is a Sentient and Warframe combined

[ocean geyser]

I don’t really think we have lore for the Eximus, besides the Jade Light ones

For any particular reason, some enemies just have elemental powers

[raven urchin]

Oh, I was forgetting something, there's a way to sentient a person, it happened to Ballas, maybe that is what happened to Caliban

[pale cedar]

Infested Eximus is gameplay rather than lore

[raven urchin]

Do we actually have any lore on Caliban?

[ocean geyser]

Amalgamation, yeah

[raven urchin]

Trueeee

[ocean geyser]

Although that was moreover developed when the Sentients coerced Alad into working with them

[pale cedar]

Caliban has little but some lore

Prime also has lore

[ocean geyser]

Did Caliban even have a prime trailer?

[pale cedar]

No

[ocean geyser]

Damn

Would have liked to hear Ballas yap about him

[pale cedar]

All we have on Prime is Old Peace stuff

All of Primes kit and Tauron uniform was made during the peace treaty

[raven urchin]

Also, seems like Caliban Prime was made together with the Sentients

[pale cedar]

Was made by both

Orokin and Sentients peace treaty

[rose estuary]

Tennocon old peace quest demo…

[tall echo]

Why would deimos be that late

Infested alad I understand why he needs to be moved but deimos is perfectly fine as is

[raven urchin]

Necramech that is used with transference, a thing that makes sense only TSD and removing the surprisal appearence of Ballas?

Also the many terms that bring a lot of confusion to new players?

[tall echo]

..what

[raven urchin]

Actually, why should Deimos even stay where it is placed right now?

[tall echo]

Because it's a moon of mars

[raven urchin]

Earth's Moon though is not a problem to be hidden

[tall echo]

...yes?

[raven urchin]

But it is if it was Mars Moon?

[tall echo]

Unlike deimos lua isn't directly on the one path through the game

[raven urchin]

Deimos shouldn't also

[normal mountain]

That's a fair point, actually
I'd argue in favor of Deimos being hidden until you get the inbox message for Heart of Deimos
But that would sorta require remapping the Star Chart to take Deimos back out of the direct path

[tall echo]

They altered the star chart to make deimos mandatory

[raven urchin]

It wasn't until last Star Chart update

[tall echo]

Yes

Which means it clearly is DE's intention to have it available early

[raven urchin]

Not a problem being mandatory, it is a problem on a new player experience though

[raven urchin]

DE has been Duviri wrong before

[hexed oxide]

maybe it's because i started playing after heart of deimos and tnw came out, but what's wrong with deimos being available before tnw ?

[tall echo]

The first thing isn't an issue and the second is not a thing

[raven urchin]

Have you ever watched new streamers do Warframe?

[tall echo]

Not from awakening to current end

[raven urchin]

Yeah, the Deimos And Duviri placement are a problem

[tall echo]

But I played after HoD was already out, and it wasn't an issue

Duviri is stupid bc the quest explicitly happens during tnw but deimos is fine as it is

[normal mountain]

I still think early access to Duviri is fine
But I seem to be in a minority

[raven urchin]

It is amazing how you defend the Status Quo with fang and nails, claps to you

[tall echo]

I don't

[opaque zenith]

Mostly sentients and archwings(but that was fixed) i would assume, but I defend explaining what's an orokin early-on

[tall echo]

I see no reason to change things that don't need to be changed

[normal mountain]

Archwing wasn't fixed afaik, there's still the one in the intro scene

[hexed oxide]

but heart of deimos has nothing to do with sentients, and the archwing is from the mars junction which is before deimos

[raven urchin]

HOD show the Orokin before the surprise of Ballas, until than they were a mytic thing in the game. Aside that there a lot of mentions to things that are only explained later but the game acts as if you already know, just like you arriving with an archwing even if you dont have it

[tall echo]

The entrati don't change the surprise of perfectly intact big bad ballas

[opaque zenith]

Archwing quest is on mars junction now

[hexed oxide]

archwing may be an oversight, but until hearing and relating "orokin" to the blue skinned, long armed demi-gods, the entrati may as well seem just as infested giants

[raven urchin]

It does it's appearence though

[tall echo]

How

[normal mountain]

Okay, that's better

[raven urchin]

They are blue?

[normal mountain]

So?

[tall echo]

Seeing a completely normal orokin after the entrati would be more surprising

[raven urchin]

So it is not a surprise other blue guys

[normal mountain]

Also, I'd argue that The War Within spoils the surviving Orokin just as much as Heart of Deimos

[tall echo]

Is that the only surprising thing about ballas to you

That he's blue

[raven urchin]

Orokin are so Mythic that the only Orokin by that were using transference continuity to keep alive in other bodies

[raven urchin]

He is blue!

[hexed oxide]

continuity*

[pale cedar]

I remember hearing someone complain that seeing the Family as blue spoils the fact Ballas is blue a while ago

[raven urchin]

Thanks

[normal mountain]

to which I have nothing to say but "boo hoo"

[tall echo]

I barely even thought about the skin color when I saw the entrati and ballas, like, that is the last thing I'd be surprised about

[opaque zenith]

BUT both archwing and Heart gets rewarded on the Mars junction, and Heart don't have an archwing restriction. So there's that still for arguments sake

[silk atlas]

One, "boo hoo". Two, how do you even get to this conclusion????

[normal mountain]

It's simple
I was more surprised by the Lotus leaving than by Ballas suddenly showing up
Mostly because I barely remembered what he sounded like from those Second Dream memories

[raven urchin]

Not aknowledging that Heart of Deimos in the beggining of a new player experince is detrimental to a logical segment of lore is the same as Duviri or 1999 being placed before Vor'z prize, as nothing needs to make sense

[pale cedar]

Being blue in Warframe at this point doesn’t even make you stand out

Having like 8 or so stomachs on the other hand

[hexed oxide]

the yareli comic guy ?

[normal mountain]

No, that's someone else

[pale cedar]

No, one of the Executors did

[raven urchin]

The blue thing is a joke in ny part, they being orokin no

[normal mountain]

Nemesis means the guy from Grendel's Leverian

[tall echo]

It isn't

[raven urchin]

Just cause you said so

[tall echo]

I was a new player months after HoD released

[normal mountain]

Same could be said for your stance, tbh

[tall echo]

It was not detrimental to my experience of the lore

[hexed oxide]

someone being an orokin doesn't have much to do with the story progression, who they are and how they are relevant to the story on the other hand is important

[raven urchin]

And yours is the only experience that matters

[normal mountain]

Again, same could be said to you

[tall echo]

I didn't say that

[raven urchin]

The Orokin is only a part of a bigger problem on HOD in the beggining

[pale cedar]

All Scrap is saying is as a new player it didn’t affect anything

[tall echo]

That problem being?

[opaque zenith]

You mean Karishh, the one of the executors?

[normal mountain]

Don't remember his name
But if that's the guy, that's the guy

You can also control completely different warframes
Meaning you are not it
Same difference

[pale cedar]

Isn’t TSD required at this point?

[tall echo]

Not for HoD

[normal mountain]

Huh, why was Lenn's comment deleted?

[pale cedar]

Fathers issue was War Within specific stuff wasn’t it

[raven urchin]

I replied to the wrong person

[normal mountain]

Oh

Well, anyways, my point still stands

[raven urchin]

Well, mine about the wrong placement of HOD and Deimos playable in the beggining, as well

[normal mountain]

this being my point, btw

[pale cedar]

How does it even work if you haven’t discovered your true self yet

[tall echo]

You're not giving good arguments to support your point

[raven urchin]

I did, you just chose to ignore them, and if you are going to ignore everythin, why does it matter

[tall echo]

I don't ignore them, I say they're not good arguments

[normal mountain]

Hmm
Sounds like this discussion is going nowhere

[raven urchin]

It is the same as Duviri before TSD being a bad placement

[normal mountain]

I move we table it indefinitely

[tall echo]

No one has ever expressed confusion about the lore due to HoD's placement here

[pale cedar]

How does DE explain away the whole you don’t even know who you are yet?

[tall echo]

Nothing to explain away

[opaque zenith]

Actually, Now that i searched the quest on the wiki, there's a exclusive dialogue for if player has not completed The Second Dream:
Loid: "It's too soon for them. Are you sure about this?"
Father: "Not at all. We'll have to make an exception. Just this once."

[normal mountain]

There's a small conversation, iirc
Loid complaining the Tenno isn't ready, and Father handwaves it off with a 'there's no other choice' thing

[opaque zenith]

And since the Heart is right before Natah, I would propose putting it between Natah and The second Dream

[tall echo]

(Dialogue which is now the default lol)

[pale cedar]

So we just control it in our sleep?

[lean garden]

I mean yea

all father does is cross route your warframe controls

[woven coyote]

Yup

[opaque zenith]

Heart replayability will come fr (coping)

[normal mountain]

We just Dream we want to be a giant mech

[lean garden]

your xbox controller works with pc type shit

[normal mountain]

I don't know about anyone else, but I've definitely had that dream before

[tall echo]

Very realistic dream

[tall echo]

Is it still not replayable?

[normal mountain]

No, had too many bugs

[raven urchin]

You guys can't be real that this is a good excuse

It is like, done with scraps just to make it work

Like a Todd Howard workaround

We call this gambiarra over here

[normal mountain]

They disabled it

[opaque zenith]

Father: "Alright. Not ideal, but I've cross-routed your Warframe impulse stream directly to Snake. Now she'll feel heavy but you'll get used to it. Head outside and we'll run a field test before your descent." They also got that excuse covered

[tall echo]

That didn't stop team cherry

[normal mountain]

It works for me without spoiling much
If it doesn't work for you, I'd say that's your problem, not DE's

Now, I motion we table this

Mature

[raven urchin]

Like you

[tall echo]

You've run out of arguments then

[opaque zenith]

Not ideal, but just saying when there's something at least

[raven urchin]

You chose to ignore, not gonna argument anymore

[tall echo]

General rule, when you start mocking others, you've lost all credibility

[raven urchin]

[normal mountain]

All in favor?

[opaque zenith]

Bad days happen, so I normally give the silver lining of if the person wants to continue later, after a day to reset the brain

But, Internet discussions, method's flawed i know

[normal mountain]

Fair
Motion denied, it seems

[restive river]

I hope we get a new naberous story next year

I wonder what it could be about

[woven coyote]

We have body snatchers and werewolfs so far

What else could we do? Vampires? Ghosts?

[restive river]

So far we got Orokin being scummy, a Warframe being a poly ghost horse story and the infested werewolves attacking grineer

[woven coyote]

Oooooh lua circulus ghost stories

[restive river]

I’d kill for a proper ghost frame tbh

[restive river]

YESSS

[pale cedar]

What about this year?

[restive river]

GRANDMA MIGHT KNOW ABOUT THOSE TOO ITS PERFECT

[restive river]

We didnt get anything

[woven coyote]

YESSSS

[hexed oxide]

dagath has an ability (and augment (mostly augment)) for that

[restive river]

I suspect they’re putting a majority of resources towards the update and old peace atm

[pale cedar]

We aren’t getting a Nabarus story this year?

[restive river]

I NEED MORE

[restive river]

Nope, some years we just don’t get one

[woven coyote]

Narberus store is already here so yeah we already dont have one

[restive river]

It’s a more passive Naberous this year

[opaque zenith]

Must be all the updates in short time, maybe

[restive river]

Very few new items

There’s nothing new in the market and Kaelli has like
6-7 new items?

4 of which are a set
Baro will bring more tho

Heck maybe he will bring a spooky story from the void!

[neon whale]

I just had a random shower thought.

If we retroactively assume Earth days in Warframe have always been 150 minutes long as they are in the Plains of Eidolon, and count the time since the game's release on March 25th 2013 until now, the events of the game have been going on for about 120 years.

I wonder if that's something that could be justified in lore given how long the average lifespan seems to be lol

[silk atlas]

Earth would be ROYALLY destroyed if it had a 150 minute rotation.

[restive river]

It’s def just sped up for gameplay

[opaque zenith]

On that note, someone need to glich into "Evil Baro" model later, check his eyes

[restive river]

Another Vagabond situation perhaps?

[lean garden]

Providing my two cents:

1. HoD doesnt actually name drop transference at all, what it will do is prime new players to understand that their ability to swap between warframes is not ludonarrative, this is effectively DE railroading what the Warframe community had historically done before TSD was released, which was to assume that there was a separate body controlling the warframe. Whether or not you think its beneficial or detrimental to new players is more of a perspective thing at this point. To me it comes of a foreshadowing what we will learn in TSD

2. The key difference between the Entrati and Ballas is that Ballas's debut appearance is of a pure Orokin. The Entrati Family might "spoil" the colour of the skin and the long arm look of the Orokin, but until Ballas appears on screen new players would have never seen the "true" elegance of the Orokin. I'd argue that the family being disfunctional and also a bunch of dinguses to each other also serves to set a bar for expectations of what the Orokin are like in person, only for Ballas to vault over it like he's hunting for an olympic medal.

[silk atlas]

It's also like how we have 4 weeks in 1999 for a whole year.

[restive river]

The Drifter goes through those days REALLY fast

[neon whale]

I'm not saying it's something that should be taken seriously, it's just an implication created by the game design. No way that's actually canon ofc

[restive river]

The Drifter, standing there unmoving waiting for the day to change so they can get an Archon crystal that’s here for some reason

[restive river]

It kinda reminds me of how in lore the frames don’t have limited energy but cause
Video game they gotta for gameplay

[silk atlas]

At some line in the sand you just gotta accept that there's gameified stuff and that's all it is.

[woven coyote]

Oh and to bring this back

We might not have a story this year but we do have spooki ki teer

[restive river]

Can platinum make your 3D printer actually go faster? I don’t think so, but for gameplay (and monetization) it does!

[restive river]

I’m mildly hopeful he’ll give some random cool lore drop about
Anything

He goes out into the void all the time, he’s gotta have SOMETHING

Also when are we going to one of his parties

[woven coyote]

Might have some lines

[restive river]

Anywhere here got a pic of the new items from the devstream?

The “cursed” ones

[opaque zenith]

Old Al was really bad in organising his rocks collection, like when you throw food in the sink and the plate on the trash, but with shards in the street

[normal mountain]

Lore warframes might still have a stamina bar though
Waverider #1 comes to mind

[pale cedar]

1999 going so fast makes sense when you consider he could never tell the time and required Loid to do that which all of the family struggled with

[lean garden]

that said, HoD should still be after TSD, because the section you get compared to before was much cooler where you get to walk around the secret room

[opaque zenith]

Stugs, a lot of stugs. otherwise no idea except the niptick on devstream (that i forgot what was there)

[restive river]

The only possible explanation for what the heck happened there

[raven urchin]

To end all my participation in all this arguments about placements and what not.

I've been watching a lot of Streamers having their take on Warframe, and those were the biggest points of confusion for them, Deimos and Duviri, that being cause when us Veterans passed through them we received as it should, with all the information needed to understand them. DE intent for players to experience all the content there is in the game may be detrimental to the lore behind it.

However I'll never discuss such things anymore, as I'm tired of Status Quo defenders

I understand that the experience of one is not the experience of all, and I understand that some may have no problem while others have, however, if the way it was delivered made more sense to a part of the people cause it came later in the road when compared to those who did, it is a point to be taken.

Also, I'm sorry for the mocking @normal mountain, and a good day to you all

[normal mountain]

I mean, it's been a little bit since I cracked that comic open,
But iirc, it did say that she hit her limit luring the slave driver away from the compound

[silk atlas]

Duviri absolutely is too early, I can agree there

[pale cedar]

I still think Circuit should be disconnected but quest being locked requiring New War

[tall echo]

Still not a "status quo defender"

[normal mountain]

Disagree immensely
As a returning player, Duviri is the reason I kept playing Warframe when I came back
I had almost zero interest in the quests I had available beforehand

If it weren't for the Duviri Paradox being available when it was (before it was shoved back to... Uranus, iirc), I'd have probably uninstalled Warframe and never looked back

[pale cedar]

It still spoils stuff players shouldn’t know about yet

[hexed oxide]

very big stuff btw

[normal mountain]

Play it early enough, and those spoilers are entirely meaningless

[hexed oxide]

don't think of spoilers, think of how little sense it makes

[normal mountain]

It turns into a self-contained story

And a rather refreshing change of pace from the normal Warframe content

[pale cedar]

Playing it at the start of the game ruins it

Playing it further in game it makes more but still no sense

Play it after New War it is clearing up things from TNW

[normal mountain]

What exactly needed to be cleared up?

My playthrough gave me just about everything I needed to understand the quest

[hexed oxide]

what the helly is going on. if you wanna be more specific, what's the deal with the hand, the ghost sword, or the giant moon shaped ship in the sky

[pale cedar]

Drifters existence

Angels being in Duviri

[normal mountain]

Angels aren't in Duviri, but okay

[pale cedar]

They are

There’s a whole mission that mentions them

[hexed oxide]

idk if there are angels, only sure about the thrax

i think you're talking about duviri void flood ? smth about teshin mentioning them but that's it

[pale cedar]

Not stopping them is mentioned as letting Wally get free which happens at end of TNW

[normal mountain]

Also, I meant my question the other way

How does the Duviri Paradox clear up anything from the New War?

[pale cedar]

Where Drifter was

He doesn’t say it in TNW for obvious reasons

[normal mountain]

He was in the Void
I didn't need to know any more than that at the time

[eternal sand]

Do we know what we're going to be fighting at Tau? There will be like 7 planets there right? So who are we fighting? Is it going to be butting heads with grineer and corpus for land?

[pale cedar]

He doesn’t even say that in TNW

All he tells us is he was stuck which is vague

[normal mountain]

It's pretty obvious, well, to me
The Operator got saved from the Zariman with the other kids
The Drifter didn't
The Zariman was in the Void
Wasn't that hard to deduce, tbh

[hexed oxide]

i don't think it'll be planets, maybe nodes though. probably will be fighting those separatists from the demo

[pale cedar]

all that is obvious is he was in Duviri

We didn’t know Duviri was in the Void till later

[normal mountain]

Although I will acknowledge that my playing Duviri first may have given me that understanding in advance

[hexed oxide]

i don't think duviri was supposed to clear up a lot of the things out of tnw, imo it's only supposed to explain where the drifter came from and what the zariman connects to, and the new war explains the hand and the ghost sword

[pale cedar]

The ghost sword was them teasing Duviri nothing more

[normal mountain]

I didn't feel the need to understand the hand and the ghost sword
I suspected if it wasn't explained in the quest, it would either be explained later, or it wasn't important

And it was explained later, so it worked out

[hexed oxide]

just in case, by ghost sword i mean the sword that stabs drifter during the opening cinematic, not the sword that was in the zariman's dormizone

[normal mountain]

...there's a sword in the Dormizone?
Wow, I missed that by a mile

[silk atlas]

Sun and Moon are ther

[pale cedar]

Ghost sword was them connecting Duviri with New War

The stab in Duviri happened the same time as Operator getting stabbed

[hexed oxide]

there was one before duviri released, in front of the door that leads to acrithis now

i didn't know about sun and moon though lol, where ?

[pale cedar]

Sun and Moon at the door

Plus the Grey effect

[normal mountain]

They're leaning against a wall somewhere

Somewhere in the Duviri room of the Dormizone, with Acrithis

[pale cedar]

The ghost sword stab was symbolic

[strange turtle]

They’re “built different”

So basically, different equipment, special gear, and then the Infested just have some crazy anatomy ig

[hexed oxide]

but anyway, in my experience, one moment i was helping the (what i thought at the moment were) sentient robots at venus, then im in some place in the void being executed by what looks like a steampunk robot, then im stabbed by a ghost sword out of nowhere, then a meteorite falls from the sky and it has a hand inside that forces its way to my arm

[pale cedar]

Ghost sword was Operator getting stabbed also stabbing Drifter

[normal mountain]

Yeah, I got that later
At the time, it wasn't explained, so I didn't worry too much about it

[pale cedar]

Which is actually why doing New War first is important

[normal mountain]

Lol, I did Duviri before Vox Solaris

[silk atlas]

If there's one spoiler thing I think they should change it's being able to customize Drifter during TNW because I was like "aaww yeah they wouldn't let me buy stuff for Plat for this guy if he wasn't playable after and there's no where else he could be but an Operator replacement" since Duviri didn't exist at the start lol

[strange turtle]

That and the Entrati are all Infested, a bunch of people probably wouldn’t even realise it was an Orokin thing and not just them

[normal mountain]

Funny enough, I don't think I was able to change my Drifter during New War
So that plot twist was bizarrely left intact for me

[silk atlas]

You could do it the moment you touched base with Lotus after the first hunt, so that's odd.

[normal mountain]

Definitely came because I had a preexisting Drifter from Duviri Paradox, but still

[silk atlas]

I doubt that that happened because I had Prime Accessories.

[tall echo]

I did it both before and after completing everything else

[normal mountain]

Not as important as you make it
If anything, it made the sword stab in New War more impactful, because it suddenly clicked that that was the same sword that stabbed Drifter in Duviri
How I managed to come to that conclusion without realizing Drifter and Operator are the same person, I'll never understand

[normal mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/impressive-darth-vader-most-impressive-gif-1233758011459247961

[tall echo]

first account had everything done when duviri released
current account started in duviri

power move

[normal mountain]

Oh, two accounts

That explains it

[tall echo]

technically three

but the second was subsumed into the third

[tall echo]

which is why I have two of every unique thing up to tnw

everyone has one traumatized space uncle frame, I have two

[normal mountain]

Somewhat of a crack comment
Did you fashion them differently, or can they do the Spiderman meme when wandering the Orbiter?

[tall echo]

one only has one customized slot which only uses the free colors, the other has all three customized with different skins

specifically arthur, zato and dex in that order

[normal mountain]

Ah, I see

[tall echo]

I also have two nihil oubliettes which I use to split him across time as a torture method

cephalon scrap headcanonically has beef with nihil

[strange turtle]

Wait we’re not getting one this year?

Why not?

[tall echo]

too busy

same reason why nightwave sucks now

[ocean geyser]

Idk why the official wiki keeps talking about Series 4 then lmao

The official one since Fandom bad

[hexed oxide]

why are they busy ? they should just do things and that's it

[pale cedar]

They have 2 Updates they’re sorting out

[silk atlas]

Coming up with all kinds of story beats for NW like they did with Saturn Six and Arlo seems to take up too much manpower from developing the other updates. Wish it wasn't the case because it was cool

[pale cedar]

Plus being busy with bug related stuff for Vallis Undermind stuff and Old Peace plus face rework now coming for both doesn’t give them much time for other stuff

[silk atlas]

They're just never ready to make more storied NW stuff, lets be real

[runic bronze]

soooo

any theories about Uriel, Heretic of Truth?

[ashen pulsar]

That sounds like a magic the gathering card lol

[lilac aspen]

He was condemned for saying magic the gathering wasn’t just for nerds.

[runic bronze]

the way it's just literaly his name, ballass was a nerd😭

[eternal sand]

I wonder how temple gives us their parts. Are they making a copy of themselves somehow? Is lizzie puking them up? Is the temple neurotics a 1 to 1 copy of temples brain?

[ashen pulsar]

No chance he would’ve survived if he was a kid on the zariman

Maybe balls is such a jerk because he was bullied as a kid

[runic bronze]

they didnt bully him enough

[ashen pulsar]

That’s why we showed up

[runic bronze]

[eternal sand]

Another thing I'm curious about: does creasa (the leader of steel meridian) wear lipstick or do some grineer have blue lips because of... Oxygen deprivation caused by clone rot

[woven coyote]

Find an image of scorpions and ballistas and compare i guess

Tho i doubt the grineer would have cosmetics

[woven coyote]

Wait nevermind just remembered that time tengus dressed vay hek with a victorian colar so they definetely have some around

https://www.warframe.com/media/comics/ascension?page=9

[ocean geyser]

I can't zoom in on this
but this ballista MIGHT have blue lips?

but hey, maybe the grineer managed to have a sense of fashion

god this image is ancient

here's a ballista from Kahl's Garrison

[restive river]

Looks like clonerot

[ocean geyser]

Yuh

Although Cressa’s looks more like actual lipstick

Although she could be covering it

[proper barn]

I mean have you seen lips?

[tall echo]

-# it's not

[eternal sand]

Was Ballass really bad at playing ball, thus his name?

[swift sentinel]

Cressa has a different face model I think, so it probably is 'lipstick' applied to make her look more Grineer.

[solemn slate]

I love grinners

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/albrecht-entrati-the-man-in-the-wall-warframe-1999-warframe-you-are-late-warframe-jojo-gif-4432154459658682236

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In multiple channels

[earnest sapphire]

“Yes, yes hurry, Tenno. But be careful, last time you got close with the Sentients you wiped out an entire civilization. But you don’t remember that, do you?” -Alad V

Y’all think this quote will be relevant in the Old Peace quest?

[hexed oxide]

hopefully

night of the naga drums pls DE

[pale cedar]

Probably not considering we have already got close to a Sentient since Margulis is probably long dead

[mystic lynx]

Do we know how many wf present during that night?
Ik Temple and Octavia herself is confirmed but who else?

[earnest sapphire]

I’m not quite understanding this

[pale cedar]

Lotus is most likely our handler at this point meaning the quote is outdated to be about Old Peace

[prime cove]

So regarding Conquera... Is that like an actual thing in lore? Because it's the *future,*right? The FAR future?! How could cancer still be enough of a thing to warrant an awareness month and charities?!

Is this yet another thing we can blame on the Orokin? "Oh~, it only effects poor people who can't body hop like we can, so what's the use~?"

Ah, I just made myself mad...

[pale cedar]

It isn’t a lore thing

[hexed oxide]

i don't think so, basically because it must have been like 90%-99% of the warframes rebelling

[prime cove]

... Oh Sol, wait! Ordan! he was dying of a blood cancer, wasn't he? So cancer totally is still around!

[glacial bough]

Conquera is not lore, but the disease would still exist

[hexed oxide]

ordan had cancer ?

[prime cove]

Can I still blame it still being around on the Orokin?

[glacial bough]

If you want. Not much reason too, but go off

[pale cedar]

Not everything is curable

[hexed oxide]

arguable

[prime cove]

Fair I suppose.

[hexed oxide]

there is that comic with the blind girl

[pale cedar]

I don’t remember anything saying Ordan had cancer

He became a Cephalon as punishment not because of an illness

[mystic lynx]

if you blame everything wrong in the wf universe to the orokin you'll probably be more right than you would be wrong

[pale cedar]

Cancer still existing isn’t the fault of the Orokin as nothing says they found a way to actually cure it in the first place

[prime cove]

He was told he had an illness that was kept secret from him.

[pale cedar]

By who?

[hexed oxide]

they figured out a way to change skin colour and various other body modifications, they must have had a cure for most diseases if not all

[pale cedar]

If they cured everything Suda wouldn’t have became a Cephalon

[prime cove]

He doesn't specify, just that his "healer" told him.

[I was a prideful beast. Twisted in the mind, howling in the carnage. Then my healer shared a secret, long kept. My blood was in ruin. The Beast of Bones himself would die, not in glory, but in shame.]

[hexed oxide]

and now that i think about it it doesn't make too much sense

they had artificial body augmentations and whatever somatics are, couldn't they have made something like cephalons but less slave-minded ?

[pale cedar]

The Orokin only mastered biology the best they could

They also had no real reason to cure it if you consider the people with it is still less than the people without so they could just find a Yuvan without it

Suda is proof they couldn’t cure everything

Ordis most likely had a specific blood disease rather than Cancer specifically

[earnest sapphire]

The Orokin did my goat Atlas dirty
They didn’t even give bro an archwing to return 🙏💔

[lean garden]

Salad V didnt know about the Tenno as children, so why would Salad V know about the Child who represented the Orokin on Tau?

[wheat oak]

I was doing Citrine farm recently (it was painful) and visited Otak few times. And after hearing one of his dialogues ( specifically "mining is important part of the plan... Do you remember what the plan is?") something striked me.

In a time when he was still human, he was Archimedian responsible for discovering properties of Argon, right? The same Argon Kaya later (from our perspective) uses to time travel into our time. That makes me think, what if "The plan" was Albrecht discovering he can use Argon's connection to the Void to escape from The Indifference and this is why Otak ended up on Deimos? I have no idea if his Cephalonization was also Albrecht's work or not, but it seems Otak might be more important to the story than I anticipated.

[runic bronze]

oh i did not know they dont have eyes wow

[digital grail]

I think that might just be lighting

[past halo]

I wonder, what would hypothetical Netracells would be like if they had the other Requiem words?

[ocean geyser]

Do we have lore on what Parvos thinks of Salad V? Or at least theories?

[hexed oxide]

i don't think so, we only know about his opinion on his son

one of his sons*

[merry hawk]

In the spirit, kiddo.
https://youtu.be/in9y03iaR3I?

(wear headphones for a more immersive experience)

[swift sentinel]

Every Tenno probably wasn't at the ceremony, but the Night of Naga Drums was system wide, every Tenno and Warframe in use was involved.

As for the Old Peace, there's still an entire war between that and the Naga Drums. We're probably not going to get anything about that .

[normal mountain]

The autonomous Kullervo was there

Dante I'm 99% sure wasn't there, but I'm not entirely sure

Jade and Stalker were there

Titania might not have been, but I need to actually play the Silver Grove to learn her lore firsthand

Rell the exiled Tenno was likely absent too, he seemed busy dealing with the Wall Man

[restive river]

I don’t think they’d be really anything tbh
It’s called a Netracell, so decay cell
Likely a cell to keep it from decay

[lean garden]

titania could not be there, she died

[hexed oxide]

Didn't titania turn into a forest hivemind at like sole point

[lean garden]

no that was silvana, the person who built titania

[solemn slate]

I mean. The orokin didnt give a shit and let their own soldiers degenerate with horrific diseases as soon as it became hard to maintain them. Sure the orokin probably didn't get cancer, their subjects could have. And hey, tenno funding research to make cancer treatment widely available to the various techno peasant colonies makes sense to me as a lore thing

[solemn slate]

Maybe down the line we'll get an expansion about it. Seems important

[mystic lynx]

Ah so Night of Naga Drums is the equivalent of Ragnarok with Octavia sounding the Gajjlarhorn or however you spell that thing

[solemn slate]

Closer to a red wedding or order 66

[swift sentinel]

It also probably wasn't all done on a single night, despite the name. Genocide on that scale takes time.

[proper barn]

well day. it seemd to be in a lot of places. many orokin do seemed to have died in the power vacuum after. But most of the leadership was killed righ then or purused after by the tenno.

[tall echo]

-# The grineer didn't start deteriorating until after the collapse

[silk atlas]

Should've fought for the right to repair before the demise lol

[sly pagoda]

I would not be surprised if some of the genetic decay was deliberate design and could only be nullified by knowledge the orokin had.

Keeps them dependent

which is exactly something the golden lords would do.

[eternal sand]

That thumbnail goes so hard I thought I was going to hear Rell drop a mixtape.

And that would be so funny ‘cause he would be monotone for most of it.

[silk atlas]

They were gene locked so only the Orokin could mess around with them but the Orokin weren't gonna make their slaves worse for no reason

[oblique siren]

The impression i got from the grineer was they were breaking down from being the copy of a copy of a copy and on and on

Like a JPG gaining artifacts

[eternal sand]

Correct! It's called clone rot.

I was thinking back to Ballas' revanent dialogue where he calls revanent fatherless because Ballas' didn't make him

So I'm thinking to the future, when there's a Temple prime, I want to hear Ballas' get frustrated at it like "where do you all keep coming from!?"

[oblique siren]

Hehe

[stray herald]

what was uriel's host body called?

roathe

[strange plinth]

his proto is roathe yea

[restive river]

Unknown if its a Temple situation

[stray herald]

just from a lore standpoint it feels weird to name the 'sinners' with their designated batch name

[normal mountain]

Hmm
I really need to play that quest sometime then
but first, I need to fish Longwinders for Kompressa

[crimson bone]

Been doing research on the things that have changed since I've been gone, and now that the derelict is now part of the Deimos location, was there ever any lore as to why that changed? I know at some point Deimos emerged from the void and all but is the derelict thing just a retcon? cause I remember it being its own ship location drifting in space.

[lean garden]

derelicts are still individual ships

[crimson bone]

Right, I'm just wondering, how, lore wise, they are now entangled with Deimos when before they were adrift in otherwise empty space.

[lean garden]

no lore thing about it

[crimson bone]

Yeah the whole thing before with making the keys with nav coordinates to even access them was implied that we had to constantly locate them cause they were adrift. which was kinda neat. Now its just there, orbiting Deimos with no... consideration to before Deimos from the player persepctive, in the lore.

[restive river]

In game we watched It drifted into the spot where deimos is
Then it “became” deimos

It didnt literally become deimos mind you, Deimos was in the void and phased back into realspace like Lua
They just merged the Derelict nodes onto Deimos cause. They fit ig

Makes Deimos more than just an open world, like Earth and Venus

[crimson bone]

It would be nice for some more official acknowledgement of like, "Oh yeah Deimos happened to phase back when the derelicts where in that space at that time," something something void energy, something something gravity. Not everyone was active when these things happen so like a lore record would be nice.

[strange plinth]

i think the derelicts converging was directly part of deimos phasing back
could be wrong tho
but yes acknowledgement would be nice

[restive river]

I guess, tbh we can easily chalk it up to the derelict crashed or the infestation in them sensed Deimos was phasing back in

[restive river]

I don’t recall any actual statement other than what we saw take place over time in game

Which was the derelict just moving into place by Mars

[crimson bone]

yeah thats what I'm gathering now, but like no character or anyone seems to ever aknowledge that the derelicts werent always entangled with Deimos in the current lore.

[restive river]

It’s a mostly minor thing tbh

Deimos and the Derelict are very similar
Orokin area taken over by the infested

[chrome rivet]

Was there ever an explanation for the huge fungi on Venus?

Were they like, a much, much, much, much docile version of the Infestation or something?

[restive river]

Rebb mentions the Undermind mushrooms being some decayed infestation maybe??

[chrome rivet]

What does she mean by decayed?

[restive river]

Unsure if that’s actually the case

[restive river]

🤷‍♀️
I’ll see what else I can find

[chrome rivet]

The Infestation there went senile or something? XD

[restive river]

The infestation has been called fungus before

Wait
What if that’s the infestation is? A really insane fungus?

[strange plinth]

extremeophile, spores, taking over hosts

certainly has fungal properties

[chrome rivet]

Considering the Orokin likes to play god, I'm not surprised if the Infestation was just an evryday fungus that went Hulk mode after a screwed up experiment

[strange plinth]

the infestation was already doing its thing long before the orokin though
techrot

[chrome rivet]

Hmm we still don't know even before the Techrot

Like how it even started in the first place

As in, was it natural mutation like in the Last of Us? Some experiment went wrong?

[strange plinth]

scaldra was messing with it
as was whatever company was trying to clone on-lyne that i don't remember the name of
but i believe it states that they're messing with an existing thing rather than creating one

[restive river]

Scaldra worked with On-Lyne’s producers iirc
The other company messing with it was in-universe DE

The Infestation’s origins are unknown
Closest we might have although it’s not canon is what Dark Sector shows us
Which
Isn’t much

Basically just a weapon

[stiff beacon]

made from funky shit from the ocean if im remembering correctly

[restive river]

It doesn’t really matter in the context for Warframe since
Not canon

Iirc there’s literally a line talking about how we don’t even know if it’s natural or not

[heady quest]

I feel like infestation could have just been highly adaptive cancer that just kept on growing

[proper barn]

Have you played 1999?

[heady quest]

A teratoma maybe that kept on growing

Yes I was just answering the above messages as to what the origin could be

[proper barn]

Cuz its more tech based.

Than that.

[heady quest]

It is still technoorganic though which means it could have organic origins that evolved to use tech like structures in it’s composition

We don’t know

I am just saying that would be cool as hell to have them experiment on cancer to just developed this monstrosity

[restive river]

It has aspects of both cancer and fungus tbh

[stiff beacon]

could be silicate based for all we know

though 5 bucks says its origins is a flesh based 3d printer or some real primitive nanites

like im talking still working on dial up

primitive

[strange turtle]

A fungal infection that’s really loving and wants to bring everyone into it’s embrace

Hmm

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-symbol-warhammer-warhammer40k-chaos-gif-15412919

[stiff beacon]

yea don't know about the nurgle angle tbh given the infestion as is, is a clusters upon clusters of nanites and whatever its made a host

so with everything we know best guess, it might be a twofold answer

or well three fold

as in the infestation we know today was formed from two/three things

[restive river]

The infestation we know now was edited by the Orokin to an unknown degree

[stiff beacon]

whatever made the techrot tech happen and radiation/the orokin mucking about with it

[restive river]

Scaldra’s influence likely had something to do with it too tbh

But ofc after the 18 radiation wars they likely didn’t use it as much
Til the old war

That’s when we get frames and lephantis and all that

[stiff beacon]

yep, though DE could always link it to area 51/aliens/darksector

if they ever decide to explain its complete origins

[heady quest]

Gonna be honest if it was just some dumb researches that put an AI into a 3D printed biomass then I am like… glad that world got destroyed

[restive river]

Drifter talks about how we have no idea if it’s natural or not

The techrot that is
The infestation of modern day is more unnatural cause
Orokin intervention

[stiff beacon]

tbf that wouldn't explain the where the nanite component came from though that could be explained by orokin mucking about

[restive river]

It could be weird code evolving rapidly (we know techrot eats code) or it could be some fungal cancer or the just a virus/disease that evolved rapidly

[stiff beacon]

ok my hang up on its origins is how the hell did it bridge from tech to flesh

was it the on-lyne cloning

or did nanites get invented in the 90's

[restive river]

Or
How did it get from flesh to tech

Or
Fungus to tech

We don’t know the concrete origins and we likely won’t get one

That being said I’d love to speak to anyone who worked on/with it in universe

Maybe we could ask Roathe some what, though it may be beyond him

[humble sierra]

I feel like people eventually use biotech, perhaps to avoid it being infested, only for the infestation to evolve to deal with the biotech too

But I guess in 1999 it's already got a bit of a biological connection

Actually, the Legacytes are literally Infested Gorillas

[restive river]

We know it was already infesting people

I’m spacing on the name but the disease that Eleanor dubbed Techrot

So technically the first iteration we may know of is that

[strange turtle]

I personally think that it was something natural they discovered RE-style, and then when experimenting and modifying it it gained the ability to interact with tech, whether by accident, intentionally or an interaction with another project

[strange plinth]

testudo syndrome?

[restive river]

Yes!

[stiff beacon]

possibly

[heavy wharf]

I need help... what's the closest thing to describe a kaithe's body? It's not exactly metallic and I'm lost at how to describe it in words

[rose estuary]

Isn’t it basically an undead horse?

[heavy wharf]

But what is it made of? Infestation isn't in Duviri so it isn't the bio-metal thing that Warframes are made of (unless maybe it is?)

[silk atlas]

Nothing suggests they're undead, they just look like that

We don't know.

[dire mountain]

Skeletal? Framework? Incomplete?

[dire mountain]

Just proper void shenanigans

[silk atlas]

It's definitely not Warframe stuff but it's not like they have a monopoly on weird bio-metal

[pale cedar]

They just look how they were drawn in a book

[oblique siren]

I kinda got the impression that they could be organic bone material coated in metal. Not that they necessarily are, but I think that fits Duviri's overall "gilded" vibes. Gilded Bone Horses

[ocean geyser]

Gilded bone everything honestly

Practically everything besides Thrax looks like that

Not counting his right arm ig

Btw does anyone know the requirements for the Drifter to loop time?

Like
What has to happen?

I know Albrecht mentioned the nuclear reactor in Höllvania needed to go off in order to trigger a loop, but of course, loops in Duviri don’t work the same (although maybe that’s because it’s sitting in the Void)

[tall echo]

control over the place they're looping

[ocean geyser]

Interesting

So, what
Did Albrecht hand control of the loop to them then?

Considering I’m pretty sure he’s the one that created it originally

[tall echo]

albrecht created the 1999 loop so yes obv

it needed a huge power supply which the reactor explosion wwas there for

ignore the ww it's getting cold in my room

[oblique siren]

-wraps you in a blanket and gets you hot choccy-

[pale cedar]

Inbox message:
What happened?

Drifter,

I can make no sense at all of these readings. Your site of temporal injection has somehow shifted. Your loop now encompasses the entire year of 1999.

Albrecht's interference is to blame, no doubt. What does he feel you need more time to achieve? He surely must have given guidance, however cryptic!

I can offer one service, at least. I discovered a clandestine blueprint among Albrecht's personal effects, for a warframe so secret it was never named. It is yours.

—Loid

[oblique siren]

Am I right that the Loop was originally shorter? o:

[tall echo]

it was only one day, yes

[oblique siren]

Thank :D I thought so, but I am also known to just make up memories/facts (lighthearted)

[real geyser]

whoops, wrong channel

[feral cape]

Unknown we've yet so see conditions met for Drifter to establish a loop by himself in real space

If he can even do that

[solemn slate]

He? Drifter is she lmao

[restive river]

Drifter is whatever you want them to be

Gender ain’t real

[pale cedar]

Yours is a she but you aren't every single player

[restive river]

Drifter: Lines like that are pretty blurry anyway, when you get down to it. (QuincyRank3Convo4

Drifter on Gender

[solemn slate]

[pale cedar]

Wasn't Drifter reffering to the frame in that convo not themself

[restive river]

I mean yeah but gender ain’t really as big of an issue by their time anyway

[violet storm]

I think gender in the Warframe universe in certain cases is a line longed blurred thanks to the orokin

[restive river]

Nobody in universe is causing a huff over Ticker existing

[violet storm]

Ticker is best gal

[restive river]

Yeah when the classist elites just hop bodies on a whim while absolutely exploring their gender fluidity it kinda would just trickle throughout the system

[oblique siren]

I enjoy how Warframe is handling gender stuff, the odd times it's come up c:

Isn't one of the frames non binary?

[violet storm]

That would be Flare

[restive river]

Two, kinda

Flare/Temple and Xaku (kinda)

[oblique siren]

Oh right! I forgot about Flare. :D

[violet storm]

Xaku is listed as non-binary(pluriforme)

[oblique siren]

Oh, isn't Equinox? oWo I thought something about the Day and Night forms and stuff was also gender

[restive river]

Xaku is they/them cause they’re 3 people glued together by voidstuff

[violet storm]

You know, the whole 3 frame thing

[violet storm]

Equinox is woman

[restive river]

Nope, she’s femme only

[oblique siren]

Or is that just a headcanon that's popular?

Oooh I see. Thank!

[restive river]

Headcanon 💯

[violet storm]

Just one side is more masculine built than the other

[oblique siren]

Headcanons are fun, but if they get very popular, it's difficult when nebiews like me get into the story lol

[pale cedar]

DE did confirm Equinox is a she

Because of that misconception

[oblique siren]

:D Nice.
Well, we do also need more Butch/Built women representation, so I like that Equinox has that too.

[violet storm]

Flare themself is non-binary, forget when it’s mentioned. Also doesn’t Lizzie refer to flare as “they”?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[oblique siren]

Flare I knew about. They are hella cool

[pale cedar]

Lizzie is She
Flare is they/them

[oblique siren]

Power couple.

[violet storm]

The hardest part about Flare is getting them convinced that Lizzie is tryna do a whole assimilation thing and what not

[pale cedar]

It isn't that hard to do

Players just suck at KIM and complain for the most part

[violet storm]

I mean, I kinda struggle with social interaction, not gonna lie

[ocean geyser]

Warframe players don’t know how to talk to people
Sounds about right

[celest needle]

How does Warframe actually work? Are the Warframes sentient, or are they just meat puppets? For example, Kullervo (the Warframe) is responsible for his crimes, not the operator controlling him, and the Rhino Prime codex entry shows the frame trying to eat someone and is only calmed by an Operator. Usually, the frame is limp or dead until the operator re-possesses it, which confuses me. Also, how do we rebuild Warframes? If they are infested people, how exactly do we reconstruct Warframes? Are we just collecting organs, or something else?

[silk atlas]

Warframes move if they have enough motivation to do so, like with Kullervo, Dante and Stalker.

They're not dead when they're limp without Operator controlling them, they're just idle.

[strange plinth]

the "gen 1" warframes, like kullervo n dante, were self-controlled and sentient, but prone to madness of some sort, as described in kullervo's crimes and by ballas. having something to focus on keeps the sanity, seemingly.
the "gen 2" frames are inert and tenno-controlled
Umbra would technically fall into the gen 1 category despite being one of the last warframes made
(the gen 1/gen 2 names are not canon, but there is a divide in function there)

[strange plinth]

-# this was in the patch notes for a reason-

[proper barn]

Have you played the sacrifice?

[celest needle]

Yes

[proper barn]

Okay

[celest needle]

I'm all the way up to whispers in the wall

[proper barn]

So all warframes start as a person.

When we rebuild them we are making a copy of them.

But originally all warframes where people. I mean it makes sense if you ever watched any prime trailers.

https://youtu.be/LP9xH9hqC04?si=Aqnbl27eGmefI-Wm

Like this came out a year before the sacrifice and it's ballas talking about tbe person that became mirage like actually basically like through manipulation made ballas make her into this specific warframe. @celest needle

@celest needle do you know dagaths Story?

[celest needle]

No

[proper barn]

Oh Buddy.

[strange plinth]

-# where do you get all of these images i don't even know what animal that is

[proper barn]

Wombat

[proper barn]

Are you in a clan?

[celest needle]

Haven't since May

[strange plinth]

oh yeah i can see it now

[proper barn]

Oh. Well that's harder then.

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/wombat-cute-smelly-boy-gif-25537705

[proper barn]

@celest needle https://youtu.be/SNa9n6HG4pc?si=_TpzlAs-JgakeF1q

[celest needle]

Don't really care all too much if it's not quest spoilers or something I can unlock on my own

[proper barn]

Here you go.

[proper barn]

Its a story watch the video I linked.

[spice spade]

I'm saving this for memes

[earnest sapphire]

“Courting methods” idk why I found that funny

[swift sentinel]

It's the overly diplomatic tone

[restive river]

Best way to show where you are in the game lmao

[restive river]

What is this little guy

[celest needle]

Wombat

https://tenor.com/view/wombat-gif-26838974

[eternal sand]

On flare’s birthday, if you ask Lizzie if she ate anything weird, she will respond with “a car tire”

Is the reason I’m unable to find any car tires in the 1999 store because flare has a suspiciously tire shaped throat?

[woven coyote]

a wombat
lives in the land down under
when predators try to enter their burrows they crush the predators skull against the ceiling of the burrow with their behinds, and i kinda wish i was kidding

[restive river]

Thank you for the specimen

[celest needle]

I found it on the internet

Like I do with all of my silly images

[restive river]

I love nature

[humble sierra]

I wonder what gifts we can give to the Devil's Triad

Maybe some Dualist bibles

Or pendants

Jewelry would be neat

[restive river]

Did we get new gifts with the roundtable?

[silk atlas]

No

Especially because they didn't use the same kinda Chemistry points as the other guys

[restive river]

Cause we don’t date em, right?

[silk atlas]

More like they don't have any other way to get Chem besides the conversations so you can't exactly fail to get enough Chemistry to progress to the next level of convos.

[eternal sand]

Grineer live for a few decades. Probably 30 to 40 years… but how long do you think a ghoul can live? They can rebel so they are capable of higher thought, possibly even self reflection. What I’m asking is do you think it’s possible for a ghoul to live a fulfilling life that isn’t as a suicide soldier?

[restive river]

What does them rebeling have to do with their lifespan?
Other grineer defectors exist

SM, Kahl and his crew

[proper barn]

They are literally born to die. Like they are meant to throw themselves at the enemy and then immediately die.

We have seen a few ghoul defectors.

In the ghoul alert.

[eternal sand]

I’m not saying it has anything to do with their lifespan but their intelligence. I’m curious how intelligent they are

[proper barn]

I think the rebel ghouls are like

Probably have gene errors.

To allow them to do so.

[restive river]

Does it state they’re any smarter?

[eternal sand]

Grineer propaganda claims all rebels to be a result of gene errors. We hear that loyalty is hardcoded into the grineer dna but what if that’s just a load of hogwash. Narrow a persons worldview until they can’t think outside it

[proper barn]

I think Konzu says something about it.

[eternal sand]

It’s possible that ghouls don’t even have loyalty attempted to be baked into them, instead they are pumped full of drugs to drive them mad with rage, unleashing it on the first thing they see, you. Maybe these defectors simply didn’t get the drugs pumped into them from a faulty needle or something so instead of their first thoughts being “I need to kill” it was “what am I?”

[restive river]

It’s def a gene thing, the Dax were loyal to whoever had the kuva sceptor and we see both gene defective grineer (SM, defector missions) we also see they’re capable of learning, changing, their loyalty remaining but expanding (Kahl and his camp, mostly Kahl)

[ionic coral]

I see it as loyalty being hardcoded into them. The subject of that loyalty is not. Id even go so far as to say most grineer are loyal to their kin and imedeat comanders more than to the queens

Mostly due to the fact that for the non kuva grineer the queens have little to no direct influence over them

[tall echo]

"For my brothers"

[ionic coral]

Yeah my favorite part of the khal portion of that quest is after he figures detonating a big bomb at the base of the sentint thingy will destroy it, it starts sinking in that he’s not gonna survive this. And the “for the queens” gets more and more stilted and hesitant until he stops lying to himself about who he’s doing this for. “For my brothers” indeed

[stiff beacon]

yea at least for the later generations of grineer considering after the night of naga drums they pulled a 180 on the orokin

probably a lot easier to do with the clone rot setting in

[scarlet socket]

HOW THE-
THIS IS 1999 HOW DID AN AYATAN GET HERE????
like bruh-

[pale cedar]

Albrecht brought Warframes to 1999 nothing says he couldn't bring Ayatan stuff too

Also not everything is lore some stuff is gameplay

[scarlet socket]

fair-
tho tbh just wanted to share cuz the idea of albrecht bringing relics, ayatans and other future stuff to 1999 for like no reason is funny-

[humble sierra]

Ayatan statues and/or stars contain memories and information, he could be using them as storage devices

[pale cedar]

We may not know the reason specifically but that doesn't mean there is no reason

Orokin work in mysterious ways especially Albrecht

[spice spade]

Question in the Lore section: How strong is Vauban base on his lore (if he has a story or smth that I can read...)?

[lean garden]

ah but the ayatans are mentioned in the kim

[lean garden]

no lore for vauban

[pale cedar]

Is it mentioned how they got there as I didn't seem to get that convo

[spice spade]

Ah... damn... sad...

[lean garden]

no but theyre there

quincy asks about them

[north jolt]

I know this is a obvious observation especially with 1999, but we really kinda went almost full circle didnt we? Warframes started out as "guys in suits" (back when it was dark sector) to biomechanical ninja golems, to still that but now the lore implies some of them having more personality and autonomy then previously thought so they're kinda also "guys in suits" again in a weird convoluted way

[tall echo]

Extremely technically speaking dark sector as a concept came after warframe as a concept

[candid lagoon]

i know skin is unrelated to the lore, but damn, shouldve kept this design to arthur

at least it referance to dark sector game instead

[eternal sand]

Excalibur proto armor is from 2999 when Arthur is the only one left alive in the eternal fight against the techrot. Source: I made it up because it sounds cool

[candid lagoon]

right that remind me, albrect shouldve kept multiple serum of each warframe correct? what if this another infected person like arthur team

[restive river]

He did infect an unknown amount of people

The dark sector skin isn’t canon and doesn’t relate to Arthur like
At all btw

Some skins are canon in lore, the group of dark sector skins are not such skins

I also doubt DE would make a new protoframe skin for a frame that’s already had one, so while the possibility is there we’re unlikely to see it

[pale cedar]

DE probably aren’t going to make Protoframe skins because Protoframes are already skins of an existing frame

[restive river]

It’s technically not an impossibility, they could do it it’s just very unlikely

Like Excal has enough skins as is, imagine the community reaction to a new excal proto when any other frame could’ve got one

The amount of time and effort that goes into these skins def feels like more than any skin before or since

[pale cedar]

Albrecht also doesn’t seem to ever infect someone with a same model always different batch each time

[restive river]

It’s not an impossibility for him to infect multiple with the same, it just seems unlikely

Like he def seems to pick and choose who gets what to some extent and while we still don’t entirely know why he made so many protos there wouldn’t be much of a point to making another with the same batch

Like at most the possibility is there for fanon, but in canon I doubt we’d see a dupe protoframe batch situation unless it’s actually relevant to both protos

Also again from a dev perspective and from a larger community perspective it’s kinda just a
No

[pale cedar]

Only reason I’d seem him doing it is him needing another Excal which he doesn’t

[restive river]

Excal has way too many skins as is for example lol

[restive river]

Yeah, and if he wanted to make one as like
A rival to Arthur or something then he/DE could literally pick any other frame

Literally any other melee exalted frame
Or Kullervo
Or maybe that role already exists with Quincy anyway

[pale cedar]

Yeah, Quincy is always acting like his rival anyway

[eternal sand]

Has anyone done the measurements to see how big the railjack model is compared to the grineer galleon model for a rough idea on how big a galleon is canonically?

[restive river]

I don’t know if we have info on how big the railjack is

Personally I don’t really understand wanting to figure out the exact measurements of ships and such, it’s a fun fact ig but
They’re going to be different sizes depending on what the scene calls for

[strange turtle]

I think there might be (maybe accurate?) measurements for the galleon in the art book?

But idk if the railjacks there

[eternal sand]

I was more thinking about the model for the galleon and railjack in the lich showdown and was more so curious for the fun fact reason.

Knowing how long a galleon is serves no purpose but imagining a butcher needing to walk the entire length of it to deliver a message is really funny, especially if the length is several miles long

[restive river]

We take out their comms just for that reason

[eternal sand]

A butcher sets out to deliver a message from one commander to another, it’s a personal message so it can’t be done via comms.
It takes 46 hours

[restive river]

LOL

[lilac aspen]

We just use a warframe water canteen decoration and use that measure the size of everything in warframe clearly

[eternal sand]

I wonder how long it takes for a batch of grineer to be made and how many cloning facilities there are.

We can estimate that a batch of grineer is 1000 considering their 3 digit names. 000-999 for the amount. But how fast they can be cloned is the real question considering they are going from embryo to fighting adult. Likely originally intended to be around 25 physically

[silk atlas]

Given just how many bodies they throw around and subsequently get killed, I sincerely doubt they're only doing batches a thousand at a time. It could be a SSN situation where people often only ask for the last few digits when the number itself is far larger.

[eternal sand]

Well we never really see a full cloning facility so we can’t be sure how huge their operations look. But we know each batch has a name and each clone is numbered.

Besides, there’s nothing implying a cloning facility can’t have tens or hundreds of batches brewing at once. Wake up batch “Grag”, assess them, disperse them, wait five days and it’s time to do the same for batch “Grah”, a week later it’s “Grai”

[silk atlas]

In the same vein, I could just as easily imagine them producing mega-batches of a select few templates at any given time. That or that there's templates being used in many other places, which if they actually care to differentiate (jury's out on that one), they'd necessarily need way more to their designations than just that.

At least, until the individual somehow distinguishes themselves that just the name is fine.

[eternal sand]

Well I imagine they have thousands if not tens of thousands of cloning facilities considering they rule earth, mars, Uranus and a dozen moons. I doubt there’s isn’t a moment a clone is taking their first steps out a tube.

[oblique siren]

I imagine it depends, too, on how much story vs gameplay segregation there is in Warframe.

[silk atlas]

Yeah but that doesn't really address my concern over what the ratio of batch size to unique templates is, which would simply just not be important enough info for DE to elaborate on so oh well

[eternal sand]

I don’t think templates are unique. I feel like it’s only 2 main templates with vast quantities of deformities. Essentially tall strong woman and slightly less tall but more stout male.

Think like Queens Guard and Bombards being the baseline but only 0.5% reach the baseline with vast quantities being the lancer filler we face and those who don’t even have functioning libs receive quad amputation and become drudges, aka: Workers.

The grineer have shown that its might over mind in their qualification process with the dimwitted but physically fit becoming butchers while the smart but physically failing becoming drudge foreman

[tacit pagoda]

could a tenno become a protoframe? would that make them more powerful or would they nerf them a little

[strange plinth]

they're immune to infestation according to KIM chats (which are unreliable for this specific topic but the best thing we have)
helminth is infestation

[tacit pagoda]

AHHHH right they are…. smh my head

[upbeat wind]

Hi everyone, I have a question : I know that the night of Naberus have a scary spooky storie about 3 orokins but where can a see the storie ? Is there some cinematic that I can watch in game ?

[strange plinth]

buy the whispering naberus mobile from daughter, place it in your orbiter, you should be able to "listen" while near it

[upbeat wind]

Oh OK thanks is it like the prison of Nihil ?

[strange plinth]

yeah it'll have an interact prompt near it

[upbeat wind]

Ok thanks

[woven coyote]

Same for the "wolf" head on a spear decoration(forgot the name) it also has a story

Those two and dagath's hollow in the dojo make the 3 halloween stories we have so far

[upbeat wind]

I have a great theorie that I want to share but mabye I loose some infos but I pretty sure that Albreicht is from 1999

But maybe I forgot some important lore thinks

[strange plinth]

i'm curious, so i'll wait a moment
-# this was a "how did they get there??" curiousity

[upbeat wind]

Cause' 1999 infestation for me is juste a scratch for the future the techrot looks like it's not really effective that other and the proto warframe well everything it in the name

The all storie is this : Albreicht Entrati was a very good scientist in 1999 he made is experiance with a sort of infestation and creat a post apocalyptic wold then he decided to see how in the future humanity will be so he invented a time traveling machine and goes to the orokin epoque there he decided to go futher and go to the void cause he notice during his voyage passing throught something

He will multiples his voyage between the two period until the incident with Wally and dicided to stay in 1999 the only place that he never meet him

[humble sierra]

Albrecht is an Orokin scientist from the Future, he experimented with the Void and he accidentally created Wally when he entered the Void for the first time. He didn't time travel until much later, when he knew a bit more about Void science

[restive river]

The infestation was already there before he got there

[upbeat wind]

Now my arguments for the théories are this : we don't have more infos about the Entrati familly except Albreicht and his descendants so why talking about with importance about the future if we don't know the past of him
Then in the lore of the infection we know that it existed since the dawn of time the Orokin never made it they used it
And finally 1999 looks like a test run for that will happening in the future

[restive river]

All he brought was the helminth strains for his protos

[strange plinth]

techrot and infestation are the same thing, just at different points in the timeline
protoframes were made by albrecht taking existing helminth samples of warframes (and likely modifying them to slow down the transformation) to 1999 and injecting people with them

[restive river]

Different strains, same technocyte

[strange plinth]

albrecht is part of the entrati family, being Mother's father (ha-ha). definitely orokin, as he performed continuity and had the blue skin at one point
his experiments with the void are documented in the requiem tablets & mocking whisper codex entries, with his first successful voyage into the void being the one that he meets the man in the wall during
he fled to 1999 to draw wally's attention away from the labs and Loid, but was travelling back and forth previously for his experiments w/ the protoframes and the vessels

[upbeat wind]

But why 1999 ? Would it be an other time period better for him ?

[restive river]

It is unknown why he made the protos but they turned out to be useful when he landed on making the vessels, combing helminth strain (warframes), gray strain (deimos’, makes stuff big) and the humanity from the protos

[restive river]

We don’t know why he landed on going to 1999 but he has notes that show he came to that conclusion somehow

[strange plinth]

his past isn't particularly important
not sure about that dawn of time bit. earliest known point is a few years before 1999. don't remember the exact year stated in the terminal next to aoi
1999 is the first outbreak of technocyte, which was later "solved" through at least 18 radiation wars, though obv some infestation survived to exist in the "current" day

[restive river]

*first major outbreak

[restive river]

Helps the Orokin utilized the infestation during the Old War too

[upbeat wind]

Ok so my bad I didn't they explain how Albreicht does with infestation

[restive river]

Warframes, lephantis, the deimos bomb

[restive river]

He’s a scientist copying off of Ballas’ research

The Helminth strain is the only “domesticated” strain, used to create Warframes

[strange plinth]

they froze some on the outer colonies to use later, didn't they? or am i misremembering part of that

[restive river]

He also had Kalymos with him and kavats can eat the infestation, though he likely brought her cause he’s just a cat dad

[restive river]

I don’t recall
I just know they used it during the old war and iirc got rid of most of it for a while

Once Awake is when we free them again iirc

Ofc Deimos was already infested but it was in the void at the time

[strange plinth]

either once awake or alad's shenanigans yeah

[restive river]

I wanna say it was us stopping a grineer

Tengus? Or was he the Ghoul guy

[strange plinth]

i think it was tengus yea
he might also be the ghoul guy?

[restive river]

Wait no vay hek is the ghoul guy

Tengus is the infested guy

[upbeat wind]

Ok cause' my theorie was based about the fact that infestation always existed and have no datation and sleeping of Entrati familly is Grand-ma the actual daughter of Albreicht ?

[strange plinth]

Euleria/Mother/Gomaitru is albrecht's daughter
her first lines mention him

[restive river]

Grandma isn’t related to Albrecht
The origin of the infestation is entirely unclear

[humble sierra]

There's some calculations in the labs that lead to "1999" as the answer— and 1999 is considered the Plague Year, when the Infestation first became widespread

[restive river]

We don’t even know if the infestation is natural or man-made

[woven coyote]

Tengus is the guy that released the infestation and made the ghouls for vay hek

[restive river]

Ah thank you!

[woven coyote]

Also good old dr tengus once fooled vay hek into wearing a victorian colar and wig in front of the queens

[restive river]

Been a bit since I read the comic

[woven coyote]

During the reveal of said ghouls btw

Love tengus just because of how much he trolled vay hek