lore-discussion

[pale cedar]

Titania is tall
But can become small

[restive river]

Absurdly small

[eternal sand]

As a Lavos main, I always feel short compared to others. Looking like Tyler 1. All width, no height

[pale cedar]

Fairy levels small

[eternal sand]

Almost like a theme

[restive river]

It’s his head

Bro’s got a flat head

[eternal sand]

Somewhat mushroom like head

[restive river]

Yeah, I think someone tried to claim he was mushroom related and that’s why the 62nd frame would be a
clown???

Cause “funguy” was all we had for a bit

Even though him being a mushroom was uh. Really obvious

[pale cedar]

Fungui

[eternal sand]

HAH. Wait but we already have mirage

[restive river]

She’s more of a jester/magician, different from a clown

She’s very
Entertainer themed

[pale cedar]

Harlequin

[restive river]

Yeah

Which isn’t a clown

[lilac aspen]

After that we get the devil frame

[restive river]

Despite both being entertainers they are different

[eternal sand]

Still, think she would show up to do party tricks if I paid her? I think she would

[restive river]

Also ofc DE has done similar themes before

[lilac aspen]

Wonder what other frames they can make

[restive river]

And so would a magician, doesn’t make either a clown :p

[pale cedar]

and another Orokin I don't get to shoot

[eternal sand]

With the devil frame we can finally have a whole catholic squad. Harrow, wisp, jade and John Devil

[restive river]

I’d kill for a Gravityframe, Artframe, Ferro-fluidframe and Dreamframe

[lilac aspen]

Frameframe when

[eternal sand]

Honestly I feel like they should have stopped at 50. It's just... I mean I like the frames... I'm just so full... So full of warframes.

[strange turtle]

Piezoelectrics frame

[lilac aspen]

Warframe needs more warframes
It’s in the title

WarframeFrame

[restive river]

Hard disagree, as long as they have fun and good ideas they should make more

[restive river]

Sevagoth

[lilac aspen]

Warframe made of every Warframe

[restive river]

Xaku…?

[lilac aspen]

Every mission you get four random moves

[restive river]

Not really but y’know what I mean lol

[lilac aspen]

[restive river]

Ok I would kill for a Helminth frame that’s fully customizable!

[pale cedar]

Can't wait til find out what made Albrecht turn another of his class into a Warframe

[restive river]

My guess is Roathe called him out on something

[eternal sand]

Honestly what we really need is a rework on where to get frames. Lots of frames need an update on where to get their pieces. By principal it shouldn't be easier to get the prime then it is the base frame. I'm LOOKING AT YOU GRENDEL

[restive river]

Roathe also hates him and he’s the “heretic of truth” so

Roathe probably called out Albrecht on something or found out something and tried to get him in trouble

[restive river]

Agreed

[eternal sand]

Or maybe Albrecht though he had a dumb face. Albrecht was orokin after all, they don't really have morals

"Remember 300 years ago when you cut me in line at the child soup buffet? I do."

[lilac aspen]

“It was FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE!”

[restive river]

I do think Roathe hates him for more than being turned into a proto

Him being asked if the Orokin can be forgiven makes me think Roathe maybe was against the Orokin’s ideals or Albrecht’s

Like asking an Orokin if the Orokin can be forgiven doesn’t make sense unless that Orokin is different than the others, somehow

[lilac aspen]

Maybe he was one of the first to be against the Orokin’s ideas of Warframes or so

So they did cruel irony and made him into a Protoframe

[restive river]

Cause a normal Orokin would likely say “yeah we can be forgiven” or not care about forgiveness at all

[eternal sand]

What I really want from the old piece is the ability to synthesize orokin. Then a new simaris mission. Like sanctuary onslaught but instead of a fight, you're chasing and killing fleeing orokin for eternity

[restive river]

Albrecht wasn’t part of that project so idk bout that

Remember, Albrecht made the Protos
Not Ballas

[strange turtle]

Item slots removal 🙏

[eternal sand]

"hunter, I have made it so these souls remember every death. I find their eternal torment funny."

[restive river]

Unfortunately they likely will never do that cause
Item slots are in soulframe now

[lilac aspen]

Well Protoframes are simply what warframes were first

Remember the Orokin made super soldiers that simply over mutated into feral creatures

[strange turtle]

They didn’t mutate they were just frames going mad

[restive river]

Protoframes were made after the Warframes
And
That’s not what happened-

[lilac aspen]

Otherwise how else did they deem the warframes failures later than immediately.

Because they worked out first before going a lil crazy

[eternal sand]

Because it's a good way to make a new player open their wallet for the first time. "12 plat? That's nothing, you're already having fun yeah? You want to play that new frame you got yeah?"

[restive river]

Ballas made the Warframes as we see them, but they were sapient, followed orders
But eventually they went feral and mad and so they were shelved

[pale cedar]

Why do people keep ignoring Albrecht’s notes

[restive river]

Albrecht took the Warframe strains and altered them for his Protoframes

[strange turtle]

And the protoframes are incomplete warframes, the end result (complete transformation) is what normal warframes started as

[lilac aspen]

Because he likes to leave them in hard to find places

[restive river]

Albrecht specifically slowed their transformation so they’d still have their humanity for a while longer

[pale cedar]

They aren't hard to find at all

[eternal sand]

People have the decency to not sluth through his desktop. You don't know what he has in his image folder. "Maybe there's some ancient designs in here- oh- no that's just Loid naked"

[restive river]

Just go kill a mean book

[pale cedar]

They're in the books though

[restive river]

They’re joking lol

[eternal sand]

Oh I thought you meant the computer by loid. Those notes

[lilac aspen]

“I did it, I found the secret to the vo- BY THE VOID!”

[pale cedar]

That's Operator report

[restive river]

The larger issue is the helminth system takes so long to get to

It needs a touchup tbh

[pale cedar]

Speaking of Operator report whatever is writing it should get back to work

[eternal sand]

Helminth system is really funny "I could just sell my warframe... But my wall dog do be looking hungry"

What did you name your helminth? Mines name is George

[restive river]

It’s a really fun system that
Takes too long to get to and is an absolute resource sink that newer players can’t interact with

[strange turtle]

Maybe it needs the Rite of Percussive Maintenance (conducted with an ekhein, of course)

[restive river]

Which I’m fine with it being something for late-game but new players need the ability to toss a frame into Helminth so they don’t just sell a frame and cry when they have to farm them again

I still don’t have Roar for helminth
Partially out of principle (meta ability 🤢)
and mainly cause I don’t want to farm another Rhino

[eternal sand]

Do frames not need to to be max level for helminth?

[restive river]

It’s not that it’s hard, it’s that it’s boring

[restive river]

Nope

[pale cedar]

I might hack the PC so I can have access to Operator report then I'll write the missing lore

[eternal sand]

Like any boss farm isn't
Hey Tyl Regor

[restive river]

That reminds me
As much as it’d be awful it would be funny for them to rework Equinox and make her helminth stupid powerful

most powerful helminth in the game
But you have to farm Equinox

[eternal sand]

Even better/worse idea in general. Put a sergeant like boss on Pluto and another on a different node for charon (Pluto's twin) and have one drop day and the other drop night. Then Tyl can drop something more suiting... Like citrine

[restive river]

Lmao

[eternal sand]

It does make me sad there's no node for Charon. Everyone knows Pluto but doesn't know the coolest part about it, that being that it and Charon are almost the same size and in perfect orbit with one another. They are always facing the same side with each other, it's awesome

Imagine a corpus city, so massive it literally bridges the space between them so you can walk (an incredibly long distance) to go from one planet to the other

[humble sierra]

They could make one in the future

Just because we're getting Tau doesn't mean we're leaving the Origin System completely

[eternal sand]

I do hope we return to the origin. Even after 12 years it doesn't feel finished

[strange plinth]

i did forget about lavos huh
nekros from lephantis

[restive river]

Tbh I wouldn’t put Nekros with Deimos since he would have been added when it was the derelict, but he does match the vibe so 🤷

Now i want a nekros entrati skin

[strange plinth]

he does fit the entrati vibe huh
wonder if someone's already made tennogen around that or not
and yea, ig the derelicts are separate, kinda
they're around deimos but not actually a part of it

[solar rover]

What's the scoop behind the Orokin? text and the random glitchiness that just appears randomly? Maybe I already knew and forgot, I'm not sure.

[pallid spoke]

Teaser for The Second Dream that never got removed.

[humble sierra]

Void Link Severed

Reason: foreign carrier detected. Origin: unknown. Suspection: tracking signal.
Reinitiating dipolar connection on novel carrier. Bio in standby for check and sync.

Motion compensation complete.
 Selenic lensing locked.
 Somatic control established.
 Margulis implantation intact.
 EVM status nominal.
 War platform awaiting sync.

Initializing synaptic overlay... Good night, sweet angel.

[brittle siren]

Wait

Uriel proto is an Orokin???

[humble sierra]

Yes

We had some fun discussions in #spoiler-chat

Starts here, roughly

#spoiler-chat message

[river tangle]

or at least after you have finished the second dream

[brittle siren]

Ok so dating an Orokin is not on my bingo card at all

Also he may be another member of the Seven

If so, the lore would be juicy

[normal mountain]

Another of the Seven...

That would be... odd, all things considered

[humble sierra]

@restive river @desert oak

ignore this guys nevermind it's just AI being stupid

[normal mountain]

To quote one of my favorite MCU gags
"What the f-"

[restive river]

i

im like

at a loss
this is huge-

if you can get a video with it lmk, this is amazing
thank you

[desert oak]

Oh, massive if true.

I'm going to check in the morning, methinks.

[humble sierra]

When I get home I'll try reversing the footage myself

[restive river]

Thank you!!!

[strange plinth]

attempting to reverse it myself, it just sounds like the chanting from the original video
the "RAZUL-TARAT KANUMMU" as it is in the captions of the original
i could be missing something, though

[lean garden]

The poster did say he heard the same things we did, and only did attempting to transcribe yield all that

so I too am running it through a scriber

LOL

let me try a different site

[strange plinth]

its definitely weird that their transcriber is picking so much out of it, just not sure how it is

[restive river]

Ok some folks I know listened to it and used a similar software
This ain’t it

Oh nvm Bau’s here lol

[lean garden]

BAHAHAHAHAH THIS AI SCRIBER GOT CAUGHT BY THE VOID TONGUE

[restive river]

LOL

[strange plinth]

the only other weird thing about this audio is it has some weird shapes in the spectrogram
but they line up with speech (forward and backward lol) so it checks out

[brittle siren]

He may ask Entrati to help him live forever

[restive river]

You get to live forever
The caveat is you will lose your mind

[humble sierra]

Yeah I'm now fairly certain the AI transcriber is shady or something and just saw the video was titled "Roathe Devil's Triad Old Peace.mp4" or whatever and then came up with all this

[severe dew]

So
What is warframe anyway
How are they made
Are they unique or mass produced flesh armors

[humble sierra]

Both

Depends on the Warframe

[humble sierra]

What part of the story are you at?

[strange plinth]

that's all kinda explained in The Sacrifice
if you've done that n don't understand, we can explain
if you haven't, i'd recommend doing that

[humble sierra]

https://youtu.be/O-d_66TNtzA?feature=shared

"Hell is a lie spun by madmen"

Seems like he's called the Heretic of Truth because he's questioning the Void?

[digital grail]

I find it interesting he's orokin

[humble sierra]

We had some interesting discussions earlier today, I think it roughly starts here

#spoiler-chat message

[lean garden]

I find it extra funny that he's wearing elegant armour only for it to give way to the chitin of uriel

[humble sierra]

Ngl I'm not a big fan of the tail on him or Uriel

[eager lion]

mustve been a defector

or did it willingly to survive the collapse

[eager lion]

i think it's well done. DE keeps removing tails from frames (valkyr heirloom )

[humble sierra]

I liked the clone theory, btw! It could be hilarious if it's true, I just personally don't think it's a possibility.

We had some interesting discussions earlier today, I think it roughly starts here

#spoiler-chat message

[restive river]

He would’ve become a proto long before the collapse.

Albrecht dipped mid Old War, he would have had to have made him then

[barren jasper]

im not hearing ANY of that ngl

[strange plinth]

yea they asked the lying machine and it told them something crazy
who would've guessed

[barren jasper]

wth is the lying machine 😭

[humble sierra]

AI

I'm fairly certain whatever program was used just looked at the title of the video and got all the information from there. "Old Peace, Devil's Triad, Roathe," etc.

[strange turtle]

Turns out this guy used chatgpt for it btw

[barren jasper]

ah, well yeah im pretty sure all transcriber programs would have to use that

[barren jasper]

oh lol why what

[barren jasper]

yeah he def wouldnt have gotten all that with a transcriber program lol

[lean garden]

...

[harsh fiber]

I don't know if this or general is the best place to ask this but I don't want to but in on the convo there so I'll ask here. Is there any particular reason there aren't any beds on the orbiter, in the backroom, or available for purchase? To my knowledge the closest is the zariman mattress. Do the tenno not need sleep or did DE just not add them?

[pale cedar]

You'd never use it anyway so they didn't add it because it doesn't affect gameplay not having it

Your Warframe has endless stamina because of Helminth

The operator has a gaming chair

Drifter has a sofa

[restive river]

Operator has the chair and the living quarters
Drifter has sofas and chairs galore

You can also effectively use the lounging couch from Duviri as a bed

[strange turtle]

To start it was most likely because of budget, time and the space it’d take in the room

[restive river]

Heck people have gotten creative enough in the backrooms to make them

[pale cedar]

I just turned the sofa closest to the balcony into a bed

[restive river]

I think to some extent DE doesn’t add certain things so we the community can get creative with it

Something something limitation breeds creativity

[pale cedar]

Problem solved

[strange turtle]

Adding a bed and animations for it would’ve been significant use of resources, and if they just added the bed on it’s own without animations like the couch, it’d take up a bunch of space without doing anything

[restive river]

Like just cause there’s no dedicated bed item doesn’t mean we can’t make one

It’s also just possible the Tenno don’t require sleep like they may not require food

They def require oxygen though so

[tall echo]

Until she wants to lie down and clips under the pillows

[restive river]

Like they’re absolutely still human so it’s hard to tell what needs we still have, especially when most of it can be shown offscreen since
Seeing our tenno sleep is. Nothing

[strange turtle]

And with the design the room has it’d be kinda tricky to do a good looking in-the-wall bed, and that’d take up a bunch of wall space and mean expanding the room outwards in a part (and dealing with all the extra stuff that you’d have to do make it work

[tall echo]

The bed in the wall?

[restive river]

She’s just under the covers :)

[restive river]

Even if they added an extension to the room specifically for a bedroom I feel like there wouldn’t be much of a point?

[strange turtle]

And then if added to the backrooms, you’d have to deal with people wondering why the Operator gets relegated to sleeping in the chair, and going back to add that

[restive river]

Like the Backroom is a whole living quarters as is with everything we need strewn about the place

[pale cedar]

There isn't even a sleeping animation

[restive river]

This all being said
I would kill for a Sleep/Dream frame

Like dedicated to dreams and sleep, nightmares and all

More than just making enemies go night night

[strange turtle]

No I mean like, one of those wall cubbies, like how some walls have built in shelves

[strange turtle]

That’d be cool

[restive river]

No ik I’m saying that there wouldn’t be much of a point if they took it a step further just to add more room
Cause
A whole bedroom is just more space

Which can be nice but when the space has no use you’re less likely to go to it

Like the living quarters on the Orbiter is probably one of the least visited places in any player hub

[pale cedar]

DE has only ever made one bed and we couldn't even use it

[restive river]

Oh also we literally have two beds in our Dormizone and we literally sleep on one in Angels for a bit :p

[pale cedar]

Not having access to one doesn't affect gameplay

[restive river]

It’d be nice for builders but as you and so many others have proven, it’s just not necessary since you can make your own!

[pale cedar]

Operator is always sitting down

Frame is given infinite stamina food and healing by Helminth

Drifter has plenty of places to lie down

[restive river]

And if any of them NEED a place to lay down that’s not in 99?
Dormizone

[pale cedar]

All base of Operations are just meant to be mission select tbh

[restive river]

The dormizone being just a home away from home

And the plug to a mass of void storms that threaten everything we hold dear

[proper barn]

DE said they might work on it being a actual base

I hope we get that at some point.

[proper barn]

Yeah

That's what I'm referencing

[oblique siren]

YES YES YES YES omg this would be the best

I looooove sleep and dreams and find them so fascinating

[ocean geyser]

Bro might be the only person with a perfect sleep schedule

[oblique siren]

Hahaha -kicks my atrocious sleep habits and difficulty falling asleep under the couch- y e a h

[raven urchin]

The operator is adapted to sleep in the chair

Slept for thousands of years already, what is a little more

Drifter just goes back to pocket dimension, it may have a bed in there

[pale cedar]

Drifter can CE bedroom

[raven urchin]

I wish we could access Dormizone from Dojo

I RP as the Dojo being home to me and Wife

[tall echo]

Well canonically dojos are a sort of home to the tenno

[onyx compass]

How did Roathe (Uriel protoframe) get to 1999?

[pale cedar]

We haven't got the update yet so we can't know anything about it

It is implied it is after 1999 though

[onyx compass]

oh ok

[analog glade]

if anything its similar to how oraxia got to duviri.

[pale cedar]

We don't know how she actually got into Duviri

We just know she came back with the Island

[normal mountain]

Was pretty sure we do know?
Albrecht brought her with him to Duviri

[pale cedar]

We don't actually know that

[normal mountain]

Now, I personally am still lost on what he was doing there in the first place, but eh

[pale cedar]

All we know is she worked with Albrecht

And Wally used Albrecht's face to get Oraxia to serve him

We don't know if she came with Albrecht made by Albrecht or if it is another Kullervo type situation

Isleweaver was pretty lacking in the actual new lore department

[fossil pond]

Just watched darksector

Is it possible Eleanor is the Nyx in darksector?

Btw Darksector takes place is 2007

[pallid spoke]

Dark Sector has no relation to Warframe.

Warframe is a spiritual successor to Dark Sector, but they do not take place in the same universe.

[fossil pond]

I see

[pallid spoke]

Warframe has many references to Dark Sector, but those are nothing more than fan-service.

[proper barn]

@raven urchin I mean they seem to be able to exist in the Zariman all the time no matter what so they probably have a bed.

[raven urchin]

No

Nadia Sudek is the Nyx from Dark Sector

Called Nemesis

The same to Hayden Tenno that it's not called Excalibur

Also, they wear the suits, not turn into it

[earnest sapphire]

Would be pretty cool if the Orokin slaughter was in the Old Peace quest

[pale cedar]

It won't be because Old Peace is a Peacetime during the Old War and the slaughter happened after the War ended

[raven urchin]

But, it Is possible that Old peace gives the reason for the slaughter

[strange plinth]

huh? we know the reason
combination of the tenno realizing that The Orokin Are Bad People and the lotus guiding them to, as she was instructed

[silk atlas]

The Tenno had plenty of reason already to slaughter the Orokin, they're just too busy actually fighting the war to try.

[raven urchin]

Also, if there was an Orokin Slaughter, since we always see only dax and grinner dying

I'm just saying, after old peace trailer, i'm doubting the entire lore

[silk atlas]

...why???

We know the order of events. We have the war, then there's a temporary peace, then war again, then sometime after the Orokin win that the Tenno slaughter the Orokin

[strange plinth]

voruna and grendel leverians depict the orokin getting slaughtered in one way or another
we know the night of naga drums happened, there's even a tiny flash of it during jade shadows

[raven urchin]

Yes, but more and more we see orokin reappearing

[silk atlas]

Can't catch 'em all that easily, sadly

[raven urchin]

And them being those deep state guys, who knows

[strange plinth]

ballas is the only weird one
the rest were hidden away on deimos (which was in the void)
idk what nihil did but he's in the glass now
we killed so many. and yet we have. less than 10 that escaped?

[raven urchin]

Wally may as well be just a minion from orokin deepstate

[strange plinth]

what

[raven urchin]

DE keeps giving plot twists bro, dont act like u dont see

[strange plinth]

only big plot twist recently is "there was a peace period during the old war"
which isn't unreasonable

[silk atlas]

You're punching ghosts.

[raven urchin]

It all makes sense in the end, but it is almost turning into a mexican novella

[raven urchin]

Ballas behind Erra...

[strange plinth]

heavily foreshadowed, and also intentional misdirection

[raven urchin]

Lotus is good,bad, good again

[raven urchin]

If you say so

[strange plinth]

she's easily manipulated, this was set up and used effectively
ig should say was. she seems to be stronger after tnw

[raven urchin]

Again, everything makes sense in the end

[high bay]

Do we have any idea as to when Deck 12 happened in relation to the story of Fortuna?

I wanna make a funny joke about ||Nightcap|| but idk if Deck 12 was 12 years ago or last week

[silk atlas]

"years later" so who knows

He may or may not have known

[strange plinth]

legs lost his parents there, though that isn't much of a better time reference

[wary surge]

so i was looking at the devis triad teaser and i noticed whaat sounded like reversed audio at the start so i did the logical thing an re-reversed it and got what sounded like "Pazuul Tarak Kanumish"

[strange plinth]

yea its just the chanting from the first trailer "razul-tarat kanummu"

[wary surge]

side by side they do sound slightly different like Pazuul instead of Razul however that might be just an artifact

[tall echo]

Yeah because why would the protoframes created during the old war chant about pazuul

[wary surge]

could just be DE teasing that pazuul might have a major role in the next major plot point

[proper barn]

I mean Ballas is kinda behind Lotus.

[wary surge]

doesnt nesisiarily have to have a lore reason behind it

[tall echo]

DE doesn't do unrelated teasing

[wary surge]

the next major plot point is Tau so possibly pazuul might have a major part in that

almost definatly hunhow will probably be a part of that

[raven urchin]

Since we don't activelly fight Pazull, I agree

But he will be a refight Boss since we will keep hearing him in Archon

[strange plinth]

that's the big reason nothing has happened w/ pazuul
he has to remain there for archon hunts

[tall echo]

MMMMM

[tall echo]

Boss refights aren't canon

[raven urchin]

Yes, but take Vay Hek and Alad V as an example, they keep coming back, the same will happen to Pazull

He will not get a Ballas treatment

[tall echo]

What'd be the point of a pazuul fight tho

[wary surge]

well Vay hek we dont kill so yea he will keep coming back

[wary surge]

idk to pay back a debt

[raven urchin]

Actually, that is it, Pazull is the Nef Anyo from Sentients

[wary surge]

oh we will eventually fight nef at somme point

[misty salmon]

Possibly to try to "cure" him, or gain access to the intersolar rail to tau. But honestly when he rebuilds that I expect him to immediately jet off to Tau and make a mess there.

[raven urchin]

We could, alad V and Vay hek are there to prove it

[strange plinth]

assuming nef is alive post-new war
not really had an update on any board members since

[raven urchin]

Will he die or be cured though, I doubt

[raven urchin]

Maybe with new update we see

Of course, if it is not set to happen before NW

[wary surge]

curing is a better option story wise come to think of it cause he could become space uncle

[tall echo]

He is

Next update bounty dialogue mentions nef doing things

[strange plinth]

oh fr? cool

[tall echo]

Paid attention during the devstream, I did

[misty salmon]

Nef is likely still alive, he seems to be doing VO for the mushroom missions which are post new war.

(all those, "unrealeased content" disclaimers apply)

[strange plinth]

would be unceremonious for nef to die offscreen or something

[misty salmon]

would be, but there's few twits who more deserve an unceremonious death.

[wary surge]

nah hes to big a charector to die offscreen

[raven urchin]

I just wish Sergeant was replaced by John Prodman, a man more suited for the Job

[wary surge]

Sergeant John, The Prodman

Srlsly though DE really should update The Sergeant

that man needs it

[strange plinth]

i love the sergeant as he is
funny little guy that dies in one hit is on brand for the corpus

-# i'm not opposed to a sergeant rework but he's funny as hell currently

[wary surge]

its kinda sad IMO

brother is a remnant of what was Seargent Nef Anyo before the char split

[oblique siren]

;A; Got to rank 5 with the Cavia

[eternal sand]

Where does the name narmer come from? Did Ballas’ have a reason or did he decide “I like the sound of that word.”

[strange plinth]

narmer is the name of an ancient egyptian pharaoh, which unified upper and lower egypt for the first time
so there's some correlation there, i guess. but idk if there's an in-lore reason for the name

[mystic lynx]

Unity of all faction under sentients ig?
Be it corpus goons, solaris worker, grineer clones, etc all serve one purpose in unity now

[restive river]

Under Ballas, not sentients

Narmer is less of a sentient based faction and more so a cult faction that pulls in everyone, including what remnants of sentients there are in the system (Erra, Archons, Praghasa’s corpse)

Yes it’s currently lead by sentients but it’s not a sentient faction

[eternal sand]

It’s led by a deranged sentient weapon piloting erras corpse around like a weekend at Bernie’s movie

[restive river]

The Archons are still sentients
But yeah

[eternal sand]

Sentients but… they don’t seem all there. Ya know?

[restive river]

I wouldn’t call it a sentient faction since there’s literally like 5 1/2 sentients :p

[mystic lynx]

Ig you can say
They're not sentient any longer

[restive river]

They were forced to be weapons essentially

I’d be mad too if I got my head ripped off and grafted onto my enemy’s body

[eternal sand]

Like if the worm queen died and instead of someone like Vay Hek or Tyl Regor taking the throne… it was a butcher wearing the worm queens rotting body as a skinsuit. That’s modern narmer

[restive river]

the grineer queens kinda did that anyway since they kept body hopping into other clones lol

[eternal sand]

Yeah but the worm is still mostly herself. Honestly I don’t understand why she keeps trying to resurrect her sister. She seemed like she kept being bullied so you would think she would like to be on top

[restive river]

What

[eternal sand]

Also her design is way better than the elder sisters

[restive river]

She isn’t trying to resurrect her sister

There is no resurrecting her lol

[eternal sand]

Oh yeah, that’s the whole point of Kuva siphons, she’s trying to collect enough Kuva to bring her sister back from the dead. At least if I recall correctly

[woven coyote]

she says she is trying to

[restive river]

Kuva doesn’t bring people back

[woven coyote]

like you are assuming she is speaking the truth to the same troops she threathens of turning into protein slurry

[eternal sand]

Honestly I wish they did more with her. Hot take but I think she’s cute… like an ugly, tiny snake that keeps on opening its mouth to try and bite you but it’s so small you could obliterate it if it hurt you

[tall echo]

But she is tho

Or was at the very least, probably lost the plot at some point

[hexed oxide]

they don't actually do that ?

[tall echo]

It was taken over by pazuul, technically speaking it's an orokin-founded omni-faction

[tall echo]

They do

[eternal sand]

I wonder if the queens Kuva guards are grown that fat or if they have a strict cannibal diet to become so fat, I’m also shocked there’s such a thing as a fat grineer

[tall echo]

Could be a smough situation where the armor just looks fat

[woven coyote]

yeah she makes multiple references to turning grineer soldiers who displease her to food

[eternal sand]

That would be really impressive considering it doesn’t look like armor, more like a big onesie

[tall echo]

Games can not have fat armor that doesn't warp to ridiculous degrees

[silk atlas]

Or they just got really bad hosts

[tall echo]

Or armor that doesn't warp in general

Why is it so hard for game devs to make armor stay solid

[eternal sand]

She is such an evil demon…
||wife material||

[tall echo]

Wait a minute, bearer of the curse?

[silk atlas]

Well if there was some dynamic system that made the armor just magically adjust different parts like larger plates and more chains or whatever rather than just stretching it the hell out

[eternal sand]

Oh yeah. I got really sick for several months after a trip overseas so I made a joke where I was cursed in a foreign land, thus Bearer of the Curse

[tall echo]

Gimme your souls I need to upgrade my swords

[eternal sand]

Seek seek lest

[tall echo]

Back to wf lore what's the deal with orxvkl

[lean garden]

what do you think voull ne xata vohk mara lohk sounds like if you were aiming for 100%requiem words

[tall echo]

Ok but they don't get to give us that hint and then say "yeah nah that's not it" and have it be something completely new

[livid robin]

Someone told me the devs mentioned Hydroid being Yareli's brother several years ago. Could someone confirm this for me?

[hexed oxide]

pretty sure they didn't say brother, it was either dad or grandpa. still the same, not real lore, just devs messing around

[woven coyote]

unlike the whole deal with nokko that apparently started as a prompt for the art team and snowballed into they are actual siblings

[humble sierra]

Is it that they're actually siblings, lorewise?

[woven coyote]

we will have to wait until launch to really see

but if they really are commiting to those idle animations i think it's pointing to that

[brittle siren]

Nokko is a male right?

[celest needle]

I am about to get into The Hex quest in a few days for the first time, and I am super confused about Albrecht and stuff. I would like to get answers from 1999 when I finally do it. However, I still don't understand, as I haven't bothered doing Necraloid or ranking up the family past rank 3 because the token grind is very very tiring. I generally understand the story of the Entrati family from the Wiki, but I just can't grasp Albrecht's lore at all while not trying to spoil myself. What the hell was he doing? Why was he hiding from the family? And more. I am completely lost with this man's lore. I get most of his lore, like with Loid and stuff, but overall, what the hell is going on with him?

[strange plinth]

there's not a huge amount about albrecht that isn't available through whispers
starting whispers opens up the requiem tablets in the necraloid room, which is normally locked behind entrati fam + necraloid standing
all of the logs dropped by the books in the labs
there's some stuff in the netracells iirc?
don't know if you want actual answers or not, as you've said you're avoiding spoilers

[celest needle]

Everything before 1999

[brittle siren]

we barely have any info

but we could assume that it mostly the same like irl

and the "infested" maybe not exist until 1999

[barren jasper]

have you listened to the albrecht entries on the walls behind loid?

[restive river]

He’s a fun guy

[celest needle]

I love him so mush

[celest needle]

They're interactable?

[restive river]

I have no idea if he’ll be fun to play
But he looks fun

[barren jasper]

yeah go from left to right

[celest needle]

You can tell their budget increased GREATLY

[barren jasper]

im glad they could afford sausage nipples for styanax

[restive river]

Funny you put Styanax in there since he’s one of the modern frames that look like the older ones

Uriel does too in my opinion

[celest needle]

Even in death Mynki still cooks

[brittle siren]

he basically: spawn mushroom, become smol (and unkillable)

[restive river]

I wonder if he designed Roathe too

[strange plinth]

brief runthrough, he was mostly researching wally and the void, though a billion archon shards were also dumped on him to research
don't think he was hiding from the rest of the family as Eularia (Mother) was also involved with some of the experiments
something about time travel, 1999 is important and would let him pull wally's attention away from the labs
(also something about taking samples from the protoframes and combining it with gray strain to make the Vessels?)
his main goal is defeating/killing/stopping wally at all costs, as he seems to consider himself the source of it

[brittle siren]

oh he mean game wise, I thought he ask what happen before 1999

[restive river]

Yeah, I’m not a fan of frames that are for locking down a single area
It’s like Qorvex, they’re fun and powerful but very stick in one spot

I’m hopeful he’ll still be fun for me, I am sure he will be

[brittle siren]

well Mukko does not stay in 1 spot though, he still have to move around to place mushroom and do bounce dmg

and his range seemingly really small so he need to spam them a lot

[celest needle]

And the budget for primes too

[restive river]

He looks like he plays like Qorvex to me

[brittle siren]

or maybe, they have a different designer

[restive river]

It helped they started making primes whole new models

Like not just the helmet and maybe some filigree
Nah the entire model changes

[brittle siren]

beside his 3 which make him move a lot (idk how it would
synergize with other 3 abilities)

[humble sierra]

Just realized we'll be eating good with Roathe fanart for next week's Prime Time

[celest needle]

I mean Nidus prime looks almost completely different, not modern prime different but still you can tell that they did change his model lot

[lean garden]

I mean all the important bits are in the right place

the band going across the chest for one

[humble sierra]

It seems like they did change the model significantly

There's more texture, like his codpiece has the tendril-thingies connecting it to his thighs. Unlike older Warframes like Frost Prime for example

[lean garden]

iirc they don't actually change the model, they just change texture maps and shi

otherwise they wouldnt be able to use the other skins with it

[humble sierra]

Yeah just going by my rudimentary knowledge of game design terminology

But like, the polygon count is different

Or whatever

[misty salmon]

Skins can change either just textures (eg: most tennogen skins) or the polygon model and textures (eg: deluxe, prime, heirloom and protoframe skins).
They do try to share a single animation model (probably a skeletal rig) across as many entities as possible, so animations can be assigned mostly independently of both skin and frame.
... which probably means everyone will be able to dance with Yareli now that I think of it.

[proper barn]

To be fair

@celest needle Nidus prime changed a lot in like what his infestation and abilities look like.

[radiant crown]

Is it impossible to have the beast of bones back? What if when they turned him into a cephalon they infected the body whit the helminth strain and the protoframe for that frame is beast of bones

Or are there some limitations im unaware

[pale cedar]

Glassing destroys the original body

[radiant crown]

Dam😭

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/water-streaming-water-crashing-natgeo-national-geographic-world-water-day-gif-20881050

[graceful sand]

https://tenor.com/view/vaughnpena-gif-27076347

[restive river]

Unless you’re Nora B)

[pale cedar]

She got lucky and was never turned into a Cephalon

[analog glade]

there might be two stages to the glassing, one the body frozen, then the mind converted.

[pale cedar]

Nora is an example of getting glassed and then unglassed

[west oasis]

I still think Uriel was a orokin who got banished and turned to a warframe

[analog glade]

She might also be lucky as we got to her quick enough; some of the others from the glassing scenes might have been left too long.

[humble sierra]

Loid's a cephalon and his body is still alive. The Necraloid has precepts and stuff

[pale cedar]

Loid isn't a Cephalon

Loid was never glassed

[analog glade]

The loid cephalon was made as a copy of loid

[pale cedar]

"Dante shared the Entrati fascination with bones. I was content to let him explore our old burial vaults and ossuaries, but his request to examine my own replicated skull was a step too far. Otherwise, his manners were impeccable."

Otak is a Cephalon though

[analog glade]

not a 1-1 copy, just a mock up

[pale cedar]

NecraLoid is a construct

[rotund tinsel]

It stings knowing Arthur does know and says he wouldn't hold it against us that we can and have erased past interactions

Maybe I should ruin the moment and say I kept doing it because I failed trying to date his sister

[north jolt]

This could be reaching or reading too much into things, but some lines during ETA when Minerva asks if its possible to change Neci's future, Kaya says something about how "there's like a wall " preventing them from travelling further back then 199

[tall echo]

Well that's a lot of room until 1999

[rotund tinsel]

I forgot ETA exists

[tall echo]

Tbf there have been loops before we get to actually choose to reset

[rotund tinsel]

Yeah,but even though it's a game,it's taking a huge hit at my morals on how I'm depriving them of their memories

[tall echo]

It's out of your control

[rotund tinsel]

If only I didn't keep messing up conversations,I wouldn't have the need to reset🗣️

[rustic gate]

guys do they worship this statue?

Please answer me real quick

[analog glade]

not so much the statue, as the person it represents.

or the ideal he put forth really.

[rustic gate]

I dont get it

can u explain

[analog glade]

not without spoiling a lot of things

[rustic gate]

i dont care spoil it

[pale cedar]

They worship Parvos

[lean garden]

A construct doesnt mean Cephalon Loid isnt a Cephalon

[rustic gate]

Its a sin in my religon if i worship any other

[analog glade]

its a hand representing parvos' who stole from the orokin to built an empire. he built his empire on the idea of hard work gets you more recourses.

[rustic gate]

do u mean that robot dude

[pale cedar]

No

[analog glade]

its not YOU who is worshiping it, but the Corpus faction.

[pale cedar]

Parvos is the founder of Corpus

[rustic gate]

yes

[rustic gate]

but i offered void stone so i can enter to the portal

[analog glade]

thats not woshiping it.

[lean garden]

I am Loid, cephalon servant to House Entrati.
Especially when Cephalon Loid says this

[rustic gate]

it is

Offering anything considers as worshiping for statues

[lean garden]

You have a mighty interesting interpretation of worship there lol

[pale cedar]

Paying a fee to enter a place isn't worshipping

[lean garden]

Is it worship when you pay your bus fare?

[rustic gate]

that is a statue

[analog glade]

its a door really

[rustic gate]

are you sure

because u said people worship it

[pale cedar]

People put coins in things all the time without actually worshipping it

[analog glade]

in lore. not in real life.

[pale cedar]

I said the Corpus worship the man

[lean garden]

If I come to worship your bus will you be unable to pay your bus fare?

Based on the flag in your profile pic you are Christian or no?

[pale cedar]

We don't worship Parvos we put a coin to enter a place

[analog glade]

Sounds more like a problem of being unable to disassociate fiction from non-fiction.

[lean garden]

nah nah, I get it, sometimes even in fiction if it heavily interferes with belief systems I understand if folks dont want to engage with it

The question is then, does it actually interfere with said belief system

or are we witnessing modern satanic panic

[tall echo]

The latter

[north jolt]

Kinda

[analog glade]

if he is having problems with Parvos' hands, he is going to hate 1999 sol and lua religion.

[tall echo]

It's not a religion. That good enough for you?

[restive river]

The Corpus have a religion
But it’s not about Parvos

It’s about GROFIT

[restive river]

He’s gonna hate the new protos lol

[tall echo]

Especially uriel

Like the frame

Ohh the orokin too

See stuff like that is why I'm sometimes glad I'm not religious

[oblique siren]

It's wild because I am religious in a relgion that says "you shall have no Gods other than me" and I've got zero issues playing Warmf

[tall echo]

And the grineer religion is about drive and power

How old is that meme of a song

[restive river]

Cause it’s fiction
And technically our tenno aren’t shown to be religious

Probably cause there were no religions really in their time, just worship your golden lords
Frauds the tenno genocided

[tall echo]

The orokin thought themselves gods

There's probably a few that lived on olympus(mars) intentionally

[restive river]

Unfortunately for them, they bled

[tall echo]

An executioner(not executor) living on pluto would be funny too

Ballas should've lived on uranus because he's a-

[pale cedar]

Don't we also know where he actually lived?

[tall echo]

Lua or mars iirc

[restive river]

I wanna say he lived on Mars

Lua was the general capital

I mean he likely lived at both

[tall echo]

Wait what if ballas lived on olympus(mars)

[restive river]

No way he had one home ;p

[pale cedar]

He was more trapped in Lua because of Lotus

Yeah, he lived on Mars

“The empire is already at risk,” cried the shrill voice of another Executor, “Or perhaps you haven’t noticed from your cozy position on Mars.”

[tall echo]

Sounds more like job place than home place

[restive river]

Could be both

Again, I doubt any orokin had just one home

Especially Ballas

[pale cedar]

Yeah

They're rich enough to afford multiple

Didn't the Entrati mention having another

[restive river]

They’re rich enough that money basically doesn’t exist to them

[earnest sapphire]

A billion credits is like a penny to them definitely lol

[pale cedar]

I wonder if Parvos ever managed to be richer than them

[restive river]

Definitely not

Orokin were so rich they were def above money

They didn’t have to pay
They just said it and it happened

Like royalty and billionaires mixed together

[fast yoke]

I regret taking that option but i's for the wiki

[earnest sapphire]

Wuh

[tall echo]

your username is not particularly specific ngl

[pale cedar]

A odd thing I have just thought of is how Grandmother could bail out Ventkids when she's stuck Infested on a moon on the other side of the System

[fast yoke]

Grandma got the credits

[strange turtle]

Wasn’t Olympus part of that riddle as the home of the gods for Mirage(s) quest?

Considering what we now have and know about the Orokin they could probably spin it into something like that

[tall echo]

yes because it's named after the actual home of the greek(?) gods

[humble sierra]

Yeah I think another clue involved Calypso, Saturn

[brazen nymph]

Why do Vome and Fass hate each other and fight forever?

[lean garden]

Because theyre stupid

[brazen nymph]

Aren't they like Siblings? 💔

[pale cedar]

one sibling brings chaos
the other sibling brings order

[tall echo]

have you never seen siblings before

vome and fass are the most realistic depiction of siblings ever

[analog glade]

have sibling, can agree

I would blow them up too if i was stuck on the same surface as them for our entire lives.

[silk atlas]

Tell me you're an only child without saying it exactly.

[north jolt]

I think "spiritual" would be more accurate? but its a funny thing to think about. If you believed in a god or gods not based on faith, but based on hard evidence and personal experiences that cannot be explained away (like the Tenno's long standing relationship with Wally), does that even count as religious anymore? especially when technically you're trying to defeat/kill the god you know is real?

[normal mountain]

The Wall Man ain't a God
He's just an extremely powerful Void Entity

That said, yeah, if you know for a fact that the god in question exists, that's not faith
the term you're looking for is 'faith', not religion

[north jolt]

I mean so far he's the closest thing to A god we have in the setting. Less omnipotent deity like Yaweh, maybe more like a Zeuz in terms of power?

[lean garden]

Consider: in DnD the gods empirically are real, yet there are still religions

[north jolt]

Or somewhere in between

[normal mountain]

Closest we have, yes
Doesn't mean he is one though

Be like calling Bill Cipher a god
He's close, but he's not quite there yet

[silk atlas]

I HATE how accurate that comparison is

[north jolt]

Well it certainly depends on how you actually define a "god" anyways, but IMO it also comes to a certain point where if you're capable of doing the things we've seen Wally be capable of doing, with the ease he can as well, I think the distinction between "god" and "not god", especially compared to every other being that exists in the universe thus far becomes a bit meaningless

[north jolt]

Also good point

[north jolt]

Also to address the second part: I actually wouldn't necessarily dismiss any arguments in favor of classifying Bill as a "god" of some sorts, even if not a totally omnipotent one (although dang close), but different franchise so I wont dwell on that too much :p

[lean garden]

wally is certainly powerful, but I refuse to label him a god because of how stupid that label gets when powerscalers get their hands on it

[north jolt]

Thats also fair and I can see it being kinda cliched too

But I still don't know if I would call the Tenno religious, because they certainly believe in something that one could equate to at least a lesser "god", but they certainly do not worship it by any means

[lean garden]

oh definitely not religious, the tenno, no

[normal mountain]

"Believe in" isn't quite the right phrase either
They know the thing exists (I think, unless that's just Rell and our Tenno character), but they don't put any trust in him whatsoever

[north jolt]

Like imagine the most powerful warriors on earth (in any setting except Marvel/DC ) finding out that Zeuz or Horus were real and they're first instincts/reaction to that information is "we gotta kill them"

[normal mountain]

Consider that believing in a God and worshipping him are quite synonymous

[north jolt]

When I say "believe in" I just mean they believe with 100% certainty that he (Wally) exists and is real. Yeah definitely no trust there tho

[normal mountain]

Still not using the phrase right, but I understand what you meant

[north jolt]

I do wonder though if at this point there are still any skeptics of "void entities" in the Warframe universe. I would imagine they are very rare and stubborn

[idle oasis]

One thing i don’t understand in the games lore is how often/when the Tenno were in the second dream. I know Margulis worked with the Tenno to create the technology for it but Lotus also says that Margulis put the Tenno in the second dream. (And it’s implied the Tenno didn’t know about it or don’t know anymore. And then in the new war during the old war Flashback we clearly see the Lotus with the Tenno being awake and it’s said multiple times that the Tenno fought in the old war. But by that Point Margulis was already executed. So did the lotus place them back into the second dream? Why would they agree after the first time, from the operators comments we can see they aren’t too happy about it. Also wouldn’t they then remember when waking up cause they had already experienced it before so they should know what’s going on?

[normal mountain]

Anyone who hasn't experienced the Wall Man likely doubt he exists

[north jolt]

Im not trying to get TOO semantical here :p

[strange turtle]

Considering the Whispers event with the Dojos and the fact that with all the stuff that needs doing in multiple Wally-related areas, our character can’t always be there for it, the other Tenno probably know too

[normal mountain]

Hmm
I missed Gargoyle's Cry, so I didn't know that

[north jolt]

Yeah and I don't think that would leave a whole lot? Maybe some people in the Corpus are aware because of Parvos's experiments, maybe? The Grineer I think only the ones who are deployed to either Lua, the void or Zariman would be aware (before dying)

The infestation 100% knows whats up and are scared AF of it

[normal mountain]

No, that would not leave a whole lot
I think you have most of it covered tbh

[silk atlas]

I sincerely doubt they were put back in and it was just the one long time, and the fact that the schools existed at all seems to mean that they found a way to control themselves in time back then, just that the Tenno forgot because it's been so long since then.

[idle oasis]

that doesnt really make sense to me. The schools represent operator power and in the new war we see specifically that during the old war the tenno were fighting in operator form. They cannot do so while in the second dream as that requires the operator to be in a capsule. We also know that by the end of the old war (so the time of the flash back) Margulis was definitely already executed. But the lotus also says that Margulis was the one who put us into the seconnd dream. And we know that between the end of the old war and up until the second dream quest the tenno are in it again. So either they were in multiple times, or im misunderstanding something/there is a plothole

[feral cape]

It is quite funny the stark contrast you either got "well hes a god so hes gotta be powerful" or "the term god is meaningless"

At most it might be used to like prove dominion over a concept

To a degree

[silk atlas]

Or the second dream was a temporary solution until they could get a better handle of themselves through Transference and then they just kinda left the kids on Lua since it wasn't that big of a deal after they settled down. The pods on Lua would've been what they had to work with.

[idle oasis]

I dont think I quite follow the scenario you describe. Are you saying they were in the second dream until the old war and then awake from then on?

[silk atlas]

No I'm saying they were in it the whole way through, then they got a handle of themselves so the "dreaming" part didn't matter that much as they could control their Operator selves, then they took the fattest nap in existence after the Orokin fell and just forgot everything.

I can't imagine someone sleeping for 1000+ years is going to have the best handle of their memories

[eternal sand]

I wonder what the canonical LVL is. Not from a mission or game design perspective but from a lore perspective what level would be most accurate to gauge the strength and survivability for our enemy units

[eternal sand]

I wonder how Eleanore gets ahold of elemental vices.
The coda weapons she probably grows
The arcanes she probably finds or builds
The elemental vices are unique tho… my working theory is that she lays them like an egg

[jaunty oasis]

My head canon on elemental vices is that they're tied somehow to the man in the wall because he gets pissed when we do alchemy, and what we do with kuva/tenet/coda weapons is kind of like alchemy.

[restive river]

How would they be tied to Wally

[restive river]

The vices can be purchased in the market so it’s not exclusive to Eleanor

[normal mountain]

She probably finds them
Also, keep in mind Vices are also rewarded by Temporal Archimedia

[restive river]

We have 3 places we can get them
Eleanor
Fixing the timeline
Literally just the system’s marketplace

[severe kindle]

I still wonder, for the Operators, when they control the Warframes are they mentally in the frame moving it like they would their own body? because my other thought was they ARE us playing warframe and they're just remote controlling them

[lean garden]

first one iirc

[tall echo]

first one is most logical yes

[severe kindle]

both could be fun headcanons to me

[silk atlas]

Second one doesn't make as much sense because they weren't aware of their Operator origins in the first place and that doesn't really work if you need to be aware you're remote controling it in the first palce

[eternal sand]

Do the stranded corpus and grineer kill squad on Deimos know about each other?

[proper barn]

Well the grinner is a Squad of Soilders that is seemingly just going around killing infested where as the Corpus is a Single Scientist getting samples. So I would say probably not. But mostly because most people that come their either die or do what they came to do and then leave.

@eternal sand Slight correction. The grinner are a group of basically stranded grinner that are seemingly just surviving on the planet. Latrox goes back to ship whenever the Bounty is over.

[serene agate]

The orokin were monsters, right?

[proper barn]

In what way?

Morally?

[serene agate]

Physically they were somewhat but yes morally

[proper barn]

I mean they are just normal humans with body mod tech. Anyone could look like them if they had access to the tech. Also some of them chose not to look like that. But they are a evil ruiling class if that's your question.

But we can't say all Orokin are terrible we are allies with a family of them.

But there is a lot of lore about orokin doing terrible things.

Also we have killed every Orokin that isn't from the Entrati family we have meet so far. Or tried to.

The only survivor currently being The Worm Queen.

[serene agate]

Well then its possible they were cruel to children that were not tenno and may or may not turn give then the helminth strain an turned them into warframes

[proper barn]

Oh they they continuity into kids. We know that. Also they hated the tenno.

[proper barn]

The Queens try to do that to us.

[strange plinth]

yareli prime is
well, not a child, but young, as she was a yuvan
n she got warframed

[proper barn]

Also Yareli was supposed to be a Yuvan

But was turned into a warframe.

Ballas' Yuvan specifically.

Also in the Voruna story a orokin also tried to continuity into Vorunas operator.

[eternal sand]

So you’re telling me that Garv and co have been surviving in, what is likely the most dangerous part of Deimos with no protection from spores or the elements off sheer hate? That’s Badass

[barren jasper]

fr?

i need to read up on voruna that sounds cool

[proper barn]

Not hate but yeah.

[barren jasper]

i know she has a whole room dedicated to her on lua

[proper barn]

It's jn the

I forget the Name It's in tbe codex @barren jasper

[barren jasper]

yeah that too

[strange plinth]

leverian

[proper barn]

Yeah that's where the story is told.

[barren jasper]

the defunded leverian

[proper barn]

Like @serene agate

This is one of the ways the orokin could live so long thet would transfer bodies.

[eternal sand]

I hope we get more leverian content. Genuinely so cool. Maybe… Garuda?

[proper barn]

I mean anyone could do it but the orokin where the ones that had access

And where permitted to do it.

The orokin are just normal people that where the ruilikg class.

[serene agate]

So there can be a child that was turned into a gremlin or imp

[proper barn]

What?

What do you mean?

[serene agate]

Warframe

[proper barn]

I mean Yareli is the youngest frame we have

Cuz of what we just said.

Also the Orokin can continuity into things that aren't kids it's why the Queens are in grinner bodies

[eternal sand]

That’s not continuity. Continuity is boring your consciousness into something. The Orokin weren’t ageless or immortal, instead they mentally destroyed children to burrow into their minds and overtook their consciousness. After that they likely got surgery to make their skin blue and arm Long

[proper barn]

Well

[eternal sand]

Then, 60ish years of regular aging and then it’s time to get a new kid

[proper barn]

Young or exotic.

[proper barn]

Not exactly true they could live a long time

They just also wanted new bodies.

Like Ballas didn't need a new body he just wanted one.

They can clone skin and organs and every.

It's how Loid "heals" Albretch

Just the Orokin are so vain as to be evil.

[eternal sand]

What does exotic even mean in context to the Orokin? All ethnicities must have evened out somewhat

[proper barn]

Idk

It's what's stated.

But they could live a very long time. Cuz if the things I said

They just are very very vain.

[eternal sand]

Operator: “what do you mean by exotic?”
Teshins ghost: (turns and points to drifter) “you’ll understand when you’re that old.”

[strange plinth]

they treasured uniqueness iirc
that's why the twins that would become the grineer queens were outcast or whatever
there were two of them

[eternal sand]

If only the Orokin could see the worm queen now. Definitely the most unique looking Orokin

[barren jasper]

if we are counting proto frames either her or kaya

she's 19 i think?

[tacit pagoda]

is the drifter/duviri content considered spoilers? what happens if i join a mission, see a low mr and transfer into drifter?

[strange plinth]

generally, yes, and they'll see drifter

[tacit pagoda]

im in the wrong channel thanks for answering though

so i’d be spoiling the game then, right?

[strange plinth]

eh
depends on how much they see and if they think about it
innately, no. i usually try to hide it if i need to use transference though

[lean garden]

I mean new MR players wouldnt be able to make the connection, unless you deliberately flaunt your drifter in their faces

[tacit pagoda]

i got very self conscious cause i was on hydron (where i level up my stuff) and wanted to rank up an amp, while i was doing that i noticed one of my squadmates being a mr5

[lean garden]

warframe is usually too fast paced for the new tenno to notice

[tacit pagoda]

so i stopped there and swtiched back to nezha but still…. idk

[strange plinth]

there was an mr 4 in the help threads asking about new war so i don't even know where the line is anymore lmao

[lean garden]

just run ESO and hang out in drifter

[tacit pagoda]

ive seen people recommend ESO forEVER but i keep going back to my first love hydron 😭

thank you both

[pallid spoke]

ESO is technically better cause the enemy spawns are endless between rotations, unlike Hydron.

And you can get free pre-refined Void Relics from the rotation rewards.

But you have to be able to kill the enemies faster for it to be better for affinity, which is harder than Hydron cause they are higher level. Unless you are already high MR and can put a decent amount of mods on unranked gear, you need a dedicated nuker teammate.

Leeching off the nuker is the most efficient way to bulk rank gear regardless, but.

[elder junco]

I wish hunhow had more use other hiding on Europa. He was a major clutch during new war, but I wish he had more value

[hollow siren]

I have no doubt he'll be getting an active role come the Tau arc

Pazuul is still piloting around Erra's half-alive remains after all

[tall echo]

If they're on sedna they know about operators

[tall echo]

He's. On uranus. Not europa.

[solemn slate]

Turning my dojo into a refuge for as many npcs as possible. This fit lore?

[hollow siren]

kinda, yeah

Relays kinda work that way already so a Dojo being similar wouldn't be too weird

[solemn slate]

I just like the idea of providing safe housing for as many as possible

Feels in chara for my operator

[pale cedar]

You can actually research NPCs in bash lab to invite and place in dojo

[solemn slate]

Yeah been doing that

[ocean geyser]

Orokin Neural sentry is the most powerful thing in the game, because it can corrupt basically anything

Even assassins and death squads aren’t spared lmao

[hollow siren]

true,,

[pale cedar]

Can’t Corrupt a Warframe though

[hollow siren]

well it might be able to, just not when a Tenno is controlling it

[ocean geyser]

Whoever made the Neural Sentry absolutely cooked
And it doesn’t even do anything nefarious, just “stop tresspassing before i make you”

[ocean geyser]

That was weird

Why was bro posting the Kai Cenat donation bruh

[woven coyote]

"Stop tresspassing before i make you ask others to not tresspass"

[slow bramble]

I did not know this and will go out of my way to do so now

[north jolt]

Okay so, how and why does Roathe exist? do we have any idea how that came to be yet?

[normal mountain]

None yet
We gotta get past The Vallis Undermind first, probably

[pale cedar]

Gotta wait for Old Peace

[tall echo]

scam spam bot thing I'm guessing

[past halo]

So what rank was Roathe before he embraced the demon within?

[eternal sand]

So we know the drifter has ahold of Party of your Lifetime and it can survive the gap to the modern future. Could it survive the walk into duviri? Can I get Dominus Thrax’s opinion on On-Lyne?

[strange plinth]

duviri is a place that can be visited, i'd imagine so
thrax also entered the dormizone for a while, so its not like he couldn't leave either

[solemn slate]

the only thing stopping u is gameplay. DE gotta add this

[oblique siren]

DE. Please. Let us introduce On-Lyne to more NPCs

[eternal sand]

Thrax would sit completely still while listening to the entire song, replay it because he “wants to make sure he heard it properly” then, once it’s finished, stand and tell you that you have abysmal tastes in music

[oblique siren]

xD

[vagrant bone]

[ashen pulsar]

Ballas would tell you “no I already know it’s dumb without listening” and then play it on loop in secret

[eternal sand]

Bombastine would snap the cd and make you listen to his rap single

Also, just want to say Bombastine is easily the best, his voice, his mannerisms, his unnerving mask, his name being so obnoxious, I love him!

[humble sierra]

Blue, so he's at least above Archimedians.

[proper barn]

Well Blue doesn't necessarily mean rank.

[brittle siren]

tbh all Orokin is above any normal skin Human

even if they are low rank Orokin

[tacit pagoda]

i thought blue meant higher rank orokins? then again everyone in duviri is blue

[silk atlas]

There's nothing that mentions having blue skin as being higher rank. Duviri doesn't have any bearing on the caste system either.

[feral cape]

Blue skin = rich person

Thats it being a blue skin means you have significant wealth and influence there's no bluer skin there's just richer and more influential blue skins

There the 1%

[vernal jay]

youre either blue da ba dee da ba di or youre not, theres no blueness purity test

one thing i dont understand tho, i thought the orokin preferred symmetry and such, so why the one longer arm thing?

[lean garden]

1. Hippos, the lot of them
2. Big arm mean big generousity

[hexed oxide]

In the zariman vents you can find a hologram of an executor explaining why. Smth, about extended arms to symbolize their extended generosity toward peasants

[hexed oxide]

🦛 ?

[humble sierra]

They actually prefer asymmetry, or at least uniqueness

A Story once lost
Recovered by fate
The tale of two sisters
Who bore the same face

Born one quiet morning
Amidst the great war
All elders were gathered
For this life's new dawn

Confused and bewildered
They judged them amiss
For they never witnessed
Two self-same as these

A mirrored reflection
Had come into life
By will of their father
Kept safe from the knife

Their sameness was shunned
As slave-like and soiled
They tended their strays
Rejected by all

[vernal jay]

i remember seeing the symmetry preference thing somewhere ages ago, maybe it was old lore that got retcon'd or im just misremembering things

[tall echo]

Nah they do still prefer symmetry

[pine venture]

hm, I wonder will these thermia fractures affect the underworld thing

[tall echo]

Prob not

[hollow siren]

Lore-wise yes, but I doubt the in-game Undermines will be affected by the recurring event

[strange plinth]

it would be cool if there were changes when fissures are active, though

[heady quest]

Maybe there will be fissure decorations in the walls of the undermines. Like having the thermia flow from the ceiling making a pillar, or a river of thermia under one of the bridges

[strange turtle]

A special time limit objective with thermia flooding the area

[restive river]

That’d be really cool tbh

[humble sierra]

3rd Orb Fight is just Exploiter again but this time underground

[ocean geyser]

Hm
I remember hearingthat the Orokin only like symmetry in objects

Or in things they don’t consider consider people

[restive river]

I mean they’re people and they’re not symmetrical

Least symmetrical design ever

[silk atlas]

They don't care about symmetry, they care about uniqueness

That's why the twins were shunned

[restive river]

Weren’t they shunned cause twins are akin to clones and dualism was thrown out?

Also I’d absolutely say they do care about symmetry, just not really when it comes to people

[silk atlas]

Dualism?

I don't think that has to do with the twins

[restive river]

I can see a possible connection but I don’t believe there’s anything concrete

[silk atlas]

Yeah nah it's just that they "had the same face"

[restive river]

So clones

Again I don’t believe it was about their symmetry but more so being akin to clones and clones being viewed as a workforce

Which the queens gaining power is funnily enough what I can see the Orokin being afraid of

[silk atlas]

Nope, not clones. They were just born as twins

[restive river]

I’m not calling clones

[silk atlas]

Oh wait

[restive river]

I’m saying twins are LIKE clones

They’re not the same thing :p

[silk atlas]

Yeah and the Orokin would definitely not like the clones because ew stinky Grineer, so we're on the same page there

[restive river]

Yeah :p

[stiff beacon]

<would like to mention they were conjoined as well>

[rose estuary]

The twin queens were?

[opaque zenith]

You'll need to back it up with some source for that, was this in some interpretation of the poems? some event operation?

[stiff beacon]

yes they were its in the kuria poem

im not pulling this out of thin air

[opaque zenith]

I know the queens were the same voice doubled in some old Vor trailer, but I would like to see which part of the poem you're refering

[stiff beacon]

ok nvm i thought it was a thing but it isnt

unless im gaslighting myself do to lack of sleep

[opaque zenith]

Well, if asking worked as a incentive for some re-checking on the lore tabs, all good then

[restive river]

The archives name it really easy

[ocean geyser]

I forgot to add “don’t”

[rich stump]

Has the jumpscare in Flare/Lizzie DMs always been there?

[woven coyote]

Yup

Just need to anger lizzie enough

[crimson bone]

Maybe I missed something but was it ever stated why the Solari on Venus are like machine headed people with organic bodies?

[ocean geyser]

They get augmented to do work

Oftentimes they have to work more to pay for those augments
Although sometimes they get the augments in the first place because the Corpus repossessed their limbs, either mechanical or biological

[crimson bone]

I get "augments" but in the innitial story, Thursby claimed not to have any augments but still had a machine head

[ocean geyser]

Well
Spoilers for Rank 5 Solaris but ||Their heads are actually in the compartment in their chest||

I’d imagine they get the head thing also for work reasons, given they’re always working in hazardous environments

It feels almost mandatory for adults

[crimson bone]

I see

[past halo]

So I know that the other Codas die when the frontman is ready to be vanquished or converted, but do they sorta live on in their hive mind when you do convert said frontman to make it your infested buddy?

Like do they just freely download themselves in there to be safe or are they all kinds of dead?

[marble night]

I have a question
So umbra when he confronted ballas with his son, at that state was he considered a “Protoframe” ?

[proper barn]

No?

@marble night he wouldn't have Had any helminth in his body when he "confronted ballas" unless you mean a different time? If you mean in the flash backs also no he has a unmodified verison of the helminth it's why he can't talk cuz he's like being rapidly consumed by it. The protos are protos cus they have a modified version of the helminth given to them by Albretch.

[violet storm]

Think trc meant when Ballas talked to umbra during the sacrifice memory sequences

[marble night]

Yes that

I don’t understand the helminth bit

[violet storm]

Ballas talked to Ballas? I mean he definitely would
(Meant Ballas talked to umbra)

[woven coyote]

Umbra tried to snitch on ballas, ballas caught him, warframe'd him, made umbra kill his own son

[marble night]

So the act of warframing someone is from the helminth itself?

[woven coyote]

Yup

All warframes use helminth strain of the infestation

[lilac aspen]

Helminth is simply too goated

[proper barn]

Yes. Every warframe is made by infecting someone with the helminth virus and then molding them. We just copy the already created warframes.

@marble night the helminth also upkeeps our warframes.

[ocean geyser]

I’m pretty sure they just make new codas when the band dies

So, the former

[raven urchin]

I think, it's a classisist system, when it began they were all corpus, but those that got the most in debt were turned slaves, forcefully augmented to work, and than their children would always be prepared to suffer augments, things you can see on the Vent Kids, Eudico is said to have been a Vent Kid for example

[raven urchin]

In a way, the infestation is never dead? Since they are a hive mind their thoughs live on in the hive

[raven urchin]

A protoframe is only those who were injected by Albretch batch, which was made to evolve slower than the Helminth usual one

[restive river]

Helps they’re in a timeloop too

Ofc they will succumb to it but we will never see that as it’s outside of the loop

[proper barn]

It was always a Pyramid scheme

[restive river]

Looks at Parvos’ imagery:
pyramid:
🤯

[noble flame]

I still don’t get what happens with pazuul after all these quests

[raven urchin]

Erra is dying, uses crystal to keep him alive and turns into Pazull. Was it himself, was it someone else behind the curtains? Keep watch for the next chapters

[noble flame]

They should have gone there sooner, I’d like to save erra but we got duviri and 1999 first

[strange plinth]

pazuul has to remain for archon hunts
which is part of the reason nothing's happened with him

[normal mountain]

Almost
Pazuul hijacked Erra's body

But the boy is still alive

[raven urchin]

Wait, so there's actually two entities in Erra's body?

[normal mountain]

Yes

[strange plinth]

Erra and The Ram

[raven urchin]

I trully thought it was just a new helmet, one that he has arcanes on

[normal mountain]

Nira's helping to keep Erra suppressed for now

[strange plinth]

erra breaks through in dialogue every once in a while

[raven urchin]

I seeeee

[normal mountain]

assuming it isn't Pazuul being a sick jerk and pretending to be Erra breaking through
Which WAS a theory I encountered once

[strange plinth]

oh that's absolutely a possibilty, yeah

[normal mountain]

But otherwise, Erra is definitely still in there

[heady quest]

Do we know how Kullervo got into Duviri?

Like wasn’t it said Kullervo was a protoframe who boarded the Zariman?

Sometimes the timeline of the old war is such a mess

[humble sierra]

It's unclear how he was sent into the Void, but he was ended up landing in Duviri after that.

Presumably it was punishment for trying to kill Ballas

He's definitely not a ProtoFrame— that term refers to humans who are injected with a specific type of Helminth serum based on already pre-existing Warframe serums.

[heady quest]

Mmmh interesting

So like ballas just send Kullervo out into the void? Cause he couldn’t have known about duviri right?

[restive river]

Where in the world did you even get that

[restive river]

No, he wouldn’t have known of Duviri
He likely just banished him to the void

[heady quest]

Idk I thought they said it somewhere on a devstream or something

[restive river]

Things just kinda
Fall into Duviri, likely cause it’s the only place to fall into
Lotus’ hand, Teshin, Kullervo
All just kinda fell in

[heady quest]

Or it was a theory in here I think

[restive river]

Well that is inaccurate and does not work with the timeline

There were no frames at the time of the Zariman

[heady quest]

Mmmh I guess I heard it wrong somewhere

[restive river]

Even the Zariman frame Gyre is just based off the dancer named Gyra, she isn’t her cause she literally can’t be

It would be neat for a Kullervo proto tbh, though I think his story is enough for him

[proper barn]

That's not what proto frame means.

[proper barn]

Time of Departure

[north jolt]

Wait he tried to kill Ballas? I thought it was more convoluted: Kullervo likes Ballas > Kullervo kills Ballas's rivals (who are Orokin) > Ballas finds out and doesn't like thie cause you're NEVER suppose to kill Orokin no matter what > Kullervo gets punished (left out a lot of other stuff for brevity)

[proper barn]

Well he didn't get punished really. He tried to but Kullevro fled when they tried to get him. He helps the tenno when they arrive back in the system and talks to them and that they should rebel like him. He even attacked certain Orokin Lans and stuff to buy time for tenno. During the night of Naga Drums is when he goes to Kill Ballas.

And Ballas defeats him and throws him into the void or something and that's how he gets to duviri.

[mystic anvil]

lore people

what does neewa want

[proper barn]

Neewa?

Oh for The nidus quest. I mean she if you let her will keep the cycling going but you can break it. Her and her people move into a relay which is fine. @mystic anvil

[mystic anvil]

ahh

so if I let her decide I assume shes going back with her people

[tall echo]

eh? no she won't, letting neewa choose makes her decide to be the last one like her

[mystic anvil]

so I can either give them a new home or kill a kid

[tall echo]

she dies either way

[mystic anvil]

ima give them a home whats one more life ruined by the tenno

WHATTT

[proper barn]

Wait slightly wrong

[mystic anvil]

so if I cure her she dies?!

[tall echo]

the myconid survival method makes the person not live very long

oh curing her will let her live yes

[mystic anvil]

ima save her ty goats of the lore

[ocean geyser]

Letting her decide will make her choose to cure herself

[tall echo]

no

[ocean geyser]

Oh right nvm

[proper barn]

@mystic anvil

[mystic anvil]

so whats up with these sun moon and neutral questions anyway is it just like a moral check

[tall echo]

nope

[proper barn]

It's more Yin and Yang.

Two sides of 1 coin. Not good or bad

[tall echo]

no good/bad thing, it's action without thought vs calculated decisions

[proper barn]

Netural is kinda even

Balanced

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

Sun is intense and passionate (if even a little thoughtless) and Moon is, as Scrap said, calculated

[mystic anvil]

I see I see is there any choice in the game that changes it for long term? except for the lotus one ofc

[proper barn]

No

[ocean geyser]

Unfortunately most of the Sun dialogues make you sound callous so i don’t like them

[raven urchin]

The lore got so confusing for me recently

Back in the day Warframes were said to be uncontrollable berserkers (after some time alright) and needed the Tenno to mantain control all the time, but now it seems some were more composed and could control themselves without the need for the Tenno

[proper barn]

Untrue

[raven urchin]

How is it untrue if Ballas says it in the Sacrifice? I may have misunderstood though

[proper barn]

You take ballas' word?

[tall echo]

the sane ones are the exception

[proper barn]

The lair Mc liar face?

[tall echo]

but it's also extremely likely that the "insane" frames just wanted to go for the orokin instead of the sentients

[proper barn]

Like the person that's a master manipulator? Blames all the Orokin for him killing his girlfriend? @raven urchin

That's who you're gonna believe.

The person that Varazia Says is just a liar.

"What do you mean Evil Villain that lied was lying? Never"

[opaque zenith]

Well there's the thing that they're "berserkers" in the eyes of their creators... and torturers, manipulators, employers of the child soldiers, etc etc, so..

[raven urchin]

What reason would he have to lie to Hunhow

[proper barn]

Oh I wonder

Why would he lie to Hunhow? Would it be cuz he just wanted lotus to he margulis 2?

Anyway In the sacrifice he says they didn't listen to them.

Not they went crazy.

I think the frames just mostly wanted to kill the people that made them into warframes and not the sentients they where supposed to kill.

[raven urchin]

"It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing-- and take away its pain" It is a lot more about how they were in a state of berserker than just being "traitors".

[pale cedar]

That also shows how little the Orokin understands regular humans

They didn’t know what Empathy is

[proper barn]

I mean you would need to do this with anything or anyone if you want them actually listen to you. It's just empathy.

[tidal owl]

is there something to do with the hey kiddo*? who is even saying it?

[pale cedar]

Man in the Wall

[tidal owl]

oh

[proper barn]

What key?

[tidal owl]

so ig nothing to do with it

[raven urchin]

Gotcha, just lay down the sarcasm though, it was trully confusing for me

[proper barn]

Fair.

[proper barn]

What key do you mean?

[tidal owl]

i mean what can be done with man in the wall when bro says hey kiddo

[proper barn]

OH Hey kiddo

Nah get jump scared

[tidal owl]

how?

[proper barn]

Randomly

[tidal owl]

so ig i walk around in my orbiter and find the jumpsacre when it happen next

[raven urchin]

Bro, it was a joke, there's nothing you can do with Wally right now

[north jolt]

I could of swore somewhere in his lore there was like a one-sided admiration for Ballas or something

[proper barn]

Yes Kullevro was gay and loved Ballas. But that's not what you where wrong about.

[north jolt]

Oh then I am all kinds of confused

[lean garden]

I wouldnt say that theyre "uncontrollable berserkers" but theyre definitely not all immune from the loony bin

We have a neat spectrum of warframe madness from Dante (not mad), Kullervo (half-mad), Rhino (feral mad)

Or rather more accurately it would be "infested madness"

[raven urchin]

Thank you, that is my point

[solemn slate]

What are the crucibles in the alchemy mission actually for?

[raven urchin]

Back in the day there was no frame without infested madness, and all their achievments were through a Tenno "wearing" them

Now we see more and more frames that worked by themselves

[lean garden]

relevant kimulacrums regarding the Infested admission of the existence of madness

[lean garden]

their number is still an extreme minority

almost always an exception

[lean garden]

heehee make element

[raven urchin]

There are those however we can't know if it was the frame or the operator, like Nezha and Yareli

[lean garden]

I wouldnt exactly say "no frame" but uh, Tenno negated it so its wouldnt have to be a consideration

[solemn slate]

But like. Fishonacci seems to be convinced itll help beat the indifference

And I trust fishnose.

[lean garden]

nah, nezha is very heavily implied to be tenno controlled

Thats why Drusus was written to wonder what does Nezha want with them kids

because it was supposed to draw a link that Nezha was being piloted by a kid

[solemn slate]

It's outright stated some of the personality remains in the frame. Just enough to influence how it acts when piloted

[raven urchin]

I took that as Nezha being also a kid

Since it's frame complexion and legend behind

Which also elevates what makes that horrendous joke so atrocious

[lean garden]

it parallels ash's leverian where drusus has a similar question

[raven urchin]

I seee

[raven urchin]

Yes, like how the operator called Isaah their son

[ocean geyser]

Hmm
If any of the Orokin managed to perform Continuity into an Operator (Tuvul, Elder Queen)
Would they even know how to use their new bodies? They’d probably be mid at controlling a Warframe considering The tenno do it best via emphasizing with their frame’s trauma

[lean garden]

who?

[ocean geyser]

How’d you end up saying Mika lmao

[raven urchin]

Have you never forgot a name before ?

[ocean geyser]

Fair

[solemn slate]

Yeah. But orokin arrogance means they assume they could do the job better anyways

[ocean geyser]

Sounds about right

I wonder how the game would be if Tuvul and the Elder queen became Tenno

Beyond them being automatically bad at being a Tenno

[raven urchin]

Maybe something closer to the Emissary

[ocean geyser]

Arlo?

[solemn slate]

Total sentient domination in the new war followed by ballas wiping out the solar system then getting his shit wrecked in tau

[raven urchin]

Yes

[ocean geyser]

Ion remember what Arlo was like

[raven urchin]

You know, controlling the masses as a god on the solar system, actually controlling others, manipulating and overall void power

Not that different from what the Queens already did, but with real power

[raven urchin]

Who is Ion?

[ocean geyser]

Lmao

Really short for “I don’t”

I don’t
I don
I on

Ion

[raven urchin]

I thought it was, but had to check

[bright nimbus]

Shout out to all the people saying we WOULDN'T time travel back to tau in the old peace

Drifter getting a face lift too kinda confirms we are going back in time

[pale cedar]

Drifter also getting a face upgrade doesn’t confirm anything except Drifter is getting a face upgrade

[silk atlas]

Operator getting 1999 haircuts didn't mean anything, why would this?

Also, like... Who said that?

The main thing is we're going through memories and not just the actual past

[pale cedar]

The quest doesn’t even involve Drifter outside of Drifter getting a new ability because Operator did

Drifter never had the memories of Tau because they were trapped in Duviri after a stay on the Zariman

[silk atlas]

"after a stay" like they weren't also trapped on the Zariman is diabolical wording lol

[raven urchin]

Quite evil if I may say

[strange turtle]

That was because of Umbra’s whole thing with the memory, with all our foundry-made frames it’s just “bits and pieces” of what used to be there from the og mind in the og frame, not even enough for the drifter to consider them proper memories

It’s just really basic muscle muscle memory stuff

[bright nimbus]

Rebecca specifically saying something like "what could this mean" when talking about it also kinda helps