lore-discussion

[lean garden]

all of them are weak to void only

[strong viper]

Ah. Well, although they arent void born, Orokin tower soldiers found in the void are weak to rad. I just assumed the wars were another plot by Entrati to delay or stop Wallivur.

[raven urchin]

"Incredible how this was all caused by On-lyne"- Arthur's blog

[normal mountain]

The Duviri Dax?
Those don't have a damage weakness afaik

The Hollow Thrax found there are probably still weak to Void though

[strong viper]

Hard to tell because they don't show up in codex. I never tested it, and probably never will. I'm lazy like that
🫦

[tall echo]

Corrupted are resistant to rad, actually

[strong viper]

I really gotta look through faction weaknesses again. I swear that was their one weakness for the longest.

[normal mountain]

They're weak to Viral

[strong viper]

And thankfully I did, because otherwise I wouldn't have known that most infested enemies aren't actually weak to fire.

[solemn slate]

Is very possible wally is pretending to be entrati to get us to stop the reactor which might have saved this timeline

[lean garden]

The same entrati that told us what the real key was to repel the murmur?

[solemn slate]

I mean, the one u see in the reactor. Lacks his injuries and contradicts stuff he previously said

[lean garden]

contradicts stuff he previously said
Like what lol

[lean garden]

that entrati still told us what the key was to repel the murmur

[solemn slate]

That you had to sacrifice these people and let them die and if you failed to do this you'd be more a child than the operator

[lean garden]

that same entrati literally told us that the only way to change things was "only if we knew [the hex]"

[solemn slate]

We sure that's the same entrati?

[lean garden]

unless youre telling me theres two different entrati's in the reactor rooms between the initial quest and the finale

the first of which sets us down the path that accomplishes the goal for the second

[solemn slate]

i am confused. Why did tv entrati from whispers say they gotta die?

Was he wally? Who is wally? Am I wally?

[lean garden]

when did TV entrati say that about the hex?

[silk atlas]

He... didn't say that?

[raven urchin]

Guys, Entrati is NOT a good guy, so never assume he knows best

[solemn slate]

https://youtu.be/xHvqswCOpYw?si=IUAvISjDz6ZuJuj0 2 minutes 30 seconds in

[silk atlas]

He knows best on how to stop Wally.

Doesn't mean it's gonna be pretty or nice.

Which is the real rub with him

[raven urchin]

Nah, he Thinks he knows, guy is trying just like us

[pale cedar]

He does know best

He's literally the closest we have to a Void expert

[silk atlas]

He didn't exactly say he wants them dead, he just knows they'd try to stop him and that'd unfortunately would lead to them dying because bomb. That's why he lets the year extend out so you can prevent them from dying after he leaves because he got what he needed.

[solemn slate]

ooooh. Thanks I didn't realise that is what was happening there

[raven urchin]

Once upon a time, a caveman saw a lightning fire a branch. He discovered fire, but that does not make him a specialist

[raven urchin]

He knows more, not best

[silk atlas]

Albrecht is literally the reason the Void is what it is in Warframe's present time

[raven urchin]

For sure, a vengeful god trying to exact revenge on the ones that hurt it

[pale cedar]

He knows more than anybody else

[silk atlas]

You're also ignoring all the technology the Orokin have at their disposal because of the Void

[lean garden]

the caveman proceeded to apply a copious amount of scientific method to fire, producing an entire branch of science dedicated to fire

the caveman also has beef with some fire entity that copies his form

[silk atlas]

Because heaven forbid someone have some questionable character traits while also still trying to do good

[pale cedar]

That caveman also built a bunch of Void tech

Tech nobody else could build

[silk atlas]

"He's trying to save the world" and "he's a heartless prick" can both be true

[raven urchin]

No, the caveman built a bunch of Fire tech

[pale cedar]

He's still Orokin at the end of the day

[normal mountain]

Even so, he knows more about fire than the other cavemen who never saw the lightning strike

[pale cedar]

He's also the first Caveman to jump into the fire

[raven urchin]

The guy is just trying to clean his own mess, if not for him there would be no Wally

Probably not even the Zariman Incident

[strange turtle]

vur?

[raven urchin]

Yeah, crazy huh? It clearly would hurt

[normal mountain]

Technically true
There would be no fingers to power the Zariman
So the impatient Orokin could fudge up the Void Jump

[pale cedar]

It still caused him damage

He's still human

[raven urchin]

Yes, that's what I said

[silk atlas]

It is also, sadly, our problem as well, so we gotta work with him

[pale cedar]

We made a deal with Wally so Wally is our problem too

[tall echo]

He is a good guy tho

[strange turtle]

Not even heartless he’s just determined enough (and probably still a bit Orokin) enough to ignore the bad feelings and push on

[lean garden]

tbvf, its if the caveman took a leaf that had a fire-resistant waxing on it and just as he stepped onto the leaf onto the fire, the leaf broke

[umbral merlin]

he is like morally grey at best

yes he wants to stop wally but he has a "the ends justify the means" mindset which more often than not makes him very grey

[pale cedar]

Things in Warframe aren't as simple as good or bad

[normal mountain]

No, not clear
Knowing something would hurt requires experience of the pain it inflicts
Whether it is first-hand experience, or second-hand experience passed on from someone with first-hand experience

[tall echo]

He is doing things to protect the most people possible

[umbral merlin]

you can apply this to pretty much any story

or anyone irl

good people have some bad traits and vice versa

[tall echo]

Sometimes helping the most means sacrificing a few

[normal mountain]

what was that Spock quote again?

[tall echo]

Any good story

[inner vigil]

As far as I'm aware, not a single Scaldra unit has shields

This makes sense, because they weren't invented yet

However, techrot enemies do have shields

You could say that it's because they're from the future, and are a strain of infested, but infested don't have shields either

Even the mutalist infested, which are fairly close in concept to techrot, and are infecting things that definitely had shields, don't have shields themselves

So this raises the question

Where did the techrot get the shields?

As far as I'm aware, the only infestation derived things that have shields are warframes and helminth chargers

Oh and the other infested companions, actually

However, considering that regular kubrow also have shields, I would say that the fact that infested companions have shields is more likely because they were given shields, not an innate property of them

So with that in mind, the only infestation derived things that innately have shields are warframes

I would now like to mention Lizzie, who was created from Flare's blood

This happened after Flare was given the helminth strain by Entrati

So, this leads me to a certain conclusion

The Techrot isn't the infestation from the future

Not exactly

It's warframe samples gone wrong

Which would mean that the Techrot is entirely Entrati's fault

[lilac aspen]

Techrot arrived before Entrati ever arrived

He arrived afterwards to offer “cures” (helminth injections) to some people who got techrot

The propaganda from Scaldra, however, tried to make it seem like the Hex, and Entrati, are somehow more responsible for it

[inner vigil]

Man, this part of the lore is confusing

Causality is weird

[lilac aspen]

TLDR
Techrot was a random disease that basically just kills you but does weird stuff to technology

It’s the Proto to the current Infestation, which was made by the Orokin improving upon some variant of Techrot that survived to that point. And they made two other strains too (Grey and Helminth)

And then the infestation was improved even more by Alad V making a new strain

[placid bramble]

Is there some kind of lore explanation for how Gemeni skins exist in the future? The thought just randomly popped in my head.

[lilac aspen]

Uhh
H m

Void tomfoolery and infestation connection

Or just
Gameplay funny

[normal mountain]

Iirc, we genuinely are taking the Hex (and Roundtable) out of 1999 and into... Origin System era

[lean garden]

the issue here is that the techrot existed before entrati stuck anyone with the helminth

eleanor was the one who witnessed techrot bumble around as it is before she was turnt

shes the one who coined the name

[solemn slate]

During dialogue u repeatedly offer to use transference to take them to the future. Basically they take u up on ur offer

[placid bramble]

Oh, that makes sense

[solemn slate]

Mechanics are iffy. U have to be in they brain for this to work and some seem reluctant

[strange plinth]

iirc there's nothing that outright confirms we can take them to present-day origin system, but we can transfer into them in hollvania, at least
none of the offers have a follow-up or special dialogue about being in the future

[swift sentinel]

That's why you have to level up the relationship with them, so they willingly let you in.

[lost lion]

I just had a brainwave

Ruska is cannonically infected by Techrot and huffs efervon to slow its spread right?

What is the "end" of the 1999 story arc is we get an Efervon Warframe who Ruska ends up being the protoframe for!?

[strange plinth]

she's a bit busy being possessed by wally currently
and the helminth takes time that.. i don't think she has?

[dire mountain]

I do think her current state is kinda suppressing the techrot even outside the efervon pipe because the whole being afraid of the Void thing the infested have

Definitely could be wrong and far from confirmed

[sage geyser]

there exists an option to reset your progress in your DMs with the Hex if you messed up with them. for anyone who finds that useful

[lament vapor]

The trouble with the idea of Neci becoming a warframe is that she isn't infected with Helminth, she's infected with the original strain of infestation. No matter how well that gas suppresses it, it isn't gonna transform it.

We don't know how long it took for the Orokin to discover and transmute the Infestation into that strain, but the process seems to be implied to have taken some time and expertise; and while Albrecht is a brilliant researcher into the void, I seriously doubt that he could turn the Techrot, a strain of the virus he hadn't even seen until 1999, into Helminth, which would be the only other option for making Neci a proto.

I mean, as far as we know he's using predetermined batch numbers and descriptions that he found to create the Protoframes, it's the equivalent to someone who knows how to assemble Ikea furniture trying to hand-carve a chair, IMO I don't think he could do it.

aaand yea like Greyscale said there's also the whole possessed-by-the-Indifference issue.

(also as far as the discussion above I am like 90% sure that it's been implied that 1999 is the beginning of the infestation chronologically, not from the future or Entrati bringing it over or anything)

[strange plinth]

it existed before 1999 but yea the infestation/techrot was already in 1999 before albrecht arrived

and tbf
the hex were silent carriers of the techrot before they were given the helminth injections, iirc
so i'm not sure how big of an issue that piece would be

[nocturne valve]

The lore drops

[violet storm]

Love how if you know Requiem meanings, Fass and Vome are named Chaos and Order Respectively, which I find interesting to an extent

[north jolt]

Allowing yourself to be possessed by a eldritch entity cause it's very presence drives way the flu

[rose estuary]

I’m still trying to get the venato prime blueprints 😩

This game refuses to give me the parts/relics I need though :/

[pale cedar]

I have the handle and main bp if you want

[tall echo]

It describes their effect on the drift

During fass enemies are more aggressive and spawn more, during vome they're more chill and there's autonomous mechs keeping the peace

[stiff beacon]

• them blowing each other up can be a visual metaphor for the cosmic struggle of chaos and order, or love and indifference

[ocean geyser]

Wasn’t there something about the Grey Strain creating inner conflict because there’s basically nothing else to fight besides Necramechs and the occasional Warframe?

[silk atlas]

Afaik no

[ocean geyser]

I think that was a theory in the Infestation’s wiki page

[pale cedar]

Theory isn’t fact

[violet storm]

The infestation is curious

[pale cedar]

Wiki is also terrible for lore

[ocean geyser]

I wonder why you thought i was insinuating otherwise

Also if it helps it was the official wiki

Not the fandom one

[pale cedar]

Official Wiki pages are written by players

Most players don’t actually care about lore which leads to random theories with no backing to them

[ocean geyser]

Damn…

[nocturne valve]

I lost count how many Axi C10 relics I had to open to get 1 of Caliban's systems. Rng hates me

[tall echo]

Doesn't make it more reliable

[tall echo]

Hey at least you're getting the relic, I haven't gotten one from 10 relic packs

[nocturne valve]

Bad luck with that relic, lol

[tall echo]

It's definitely bc it's the last relic I need for him

[queen hollow]

wasn't Eleanor infected with the original strain before she met Entrati?

[silk atlas]

Original strain of what

[queen hollow]

infestation

[hexed oxide]

no

[rose estuary]

I’m having the same problem with acceltra and vadarya prime as well

[silk atlas]

No, she had Techrot. There isn't really any "original" Infestation afaik

[queen hollow]

ah, I thought Techrot was the original strain

[hexed oxide]

she was infected with the testudo virus which she ended up calling techrot

[silk atlas]

No, Infestation just came from it. We don't know if there was something even older than that

[queen hollow]

then going back to the Neci as a warframe convo from earlier if we freed her there's nothing stopping Entrati from injecting her to become a protoframe?

[silk atlas]

Yeah but why would he even do that

[queen hollow]

I agree just saying it is a possibility

[hexed oxide]

to cure her own techrot infection ?

with the indifference in her though idk if that's a possibility now

[silk atlas]

Im saying would Albrecht care about Rusulka to jab her with Helminth when he's got what he wanted

[hexed oxide]

probably not lol

[silk atlas]

Ye

[pale cedar]

She can't get infected while possessed anyway

[silk atlas]

But yeah nothing special about Neci (before being got by Wally) would've stopped it from doing its thing

[hexed oxide]

but she was infected before being possessed, that's why she let herself be possessed

[queen hollow]

did she let herself?

[hexed oxide]

she struck a deal with it so yeah

[queen hollow]

guessing that's in the isleweaver stuff?

[hexed oxide]

yes

[pale cedar]

Albrecht already made a proto Saryn he doesn't need another

[hexed oxide]

what if garuda proto

[queen hollow]

or a totally new frame like Flare/Temple

[hexed oxide]

garuda fits much more

femme fatale with claws they'll also add garuda lore when she gets a proto

[tall echo]

Who's saying she has to be a proto saryn?

[vagrant tartan]

Garuda Lore... HA... funny

[pale cedar]

Someone after it was confirmed she wasn't going to be a proto who tends to go on tangents about things not being things made a whole argument that she has to be a Proto Saryn still

[vagrant tartan]

Neci as proto Valkyr would be cool

[ocean geyser]

Hmm

Why does Wally want Duviri?

[silk atlas]

To get back at Drifter

[tall echo]

And because he believes it belongs to him

[round remnant]

Just a quick question who is Wally anyway?

[brazen seal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

this thing

[tall echo]

Great question

[round remnant]

Ah

[silk atlas]

Also the person copying your body (and Albrecht's and other misc people)

[ashen pulsar]

Have you gotten jumpscared in the orbiter yet?

[full falcon]

deos anyone have fulmin blueprint the main ill trade anything

ill give half prime sevagoth blueprints

[ashen pulsar]

Wrong chat.

[round remnant]

Nope every time I hear "key kiddo" I immediately stop what I was doing and go find where that is coming from

[queen hollow]

just look above or behind you

[analog glade]

Wally is A manifestation from within the void, not quite eldritch in scope.

[round remnant]

Interesting 🤔🧐

[round remnant]

Or everywhere

[analog glade]

We don't know much about him, other then Albrecht has one of his fingers hidden somewhere, and that is partially what limits him near this existence.

[tall echo]

He usually disappears if you look at him and then look away, so you're probably despawning him by accident

[round remnant]

Once I have him I stare at it until it disappears

[tall echo]

Spawns within vision range always

[round remnant]

Interesting

[humble sierra]

I think if he spawns and you enter navigation he hits you with the Hey Kiddo regardless

[tall echo]

If he spawns in he's saying hey kiddo

[humble sierra]

The most prominent place for him to show up is the Codex table, but I've seen him spawn on the market table, the communications radio, and the one that creeps me out the most, around the corner of the Arsenal.

He says "Hey Kiddo" on approach, I've noticed him from afar-- like with that Arsenal one

[tall echo]

He can also show up doing a one handed handstand on the rj toob entrance and hanging from a loose wire in the lower hallway

[humble sierra]

Yep, I've seen other people experience that too

[tall echo]

Or sitting above the ramp in the drifter camp

[humble sierra]

With that Arsenal one, I actually spun around one time and he didn't despawn. I guess the game didn't register that I noticed him until I went closer and did the same thing

[tall echo]

I've restricted him to only appearing on the armrest of the perfectly normal chair floating in the middle of my backroom

I like to think he's respecting the kuaka I put on the main area of the chair

[humble sierra]

My buddy set up a trap for him, where he put the chair inside a couch and then covered it with floofs and OnLyne merch

So far he hasn't shown up so I'm guessing the chair needs to be unrestricted, or my buddy has really bad luck with it

[tall echo]

Just bad luck

I've only seen him twice since they added the chair

If I had to guess I'd say it still tries the other spawn spots even if they don't exist and so the chair has a very low chance

[barren jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es8uOniZzZI

[humble sierra]

Mentioned this in #spoiler-chat but it's probably fitting here too

A lot of the 1999 references are just allusions to real-world pop culture. "Marty McFlea" instead of Marty McFly, "Young Loxley" instead of Robin Hood, "Megabloke" instead of Superman (Also Owlman & Sparrow).

So far the IRL things that are seemingly unchanged:

• Gordon Freeman and Half-Life (cardboard cutouts + posters in the mall)
• Alexander the Great (Lettie's line in the backroom compares Arthur to him)
• Lettie's gods are ones that were worshipped IRL
• Amir mentions Jeopardy - ("I'll take Kicking Your Ass for five hundred, Alex.")
• Amir mentions Dracula - ("Go at 'em like Dracula at a low-cut top.")
• Digital Extremes exists, but it's based in Höllvania and it's a lazy, money hungry company that tried using Techrot to make games for them.
• Rebb Ford is an OnLyne fangirl

[ashen pulsar]

There’s things that they can legally say, and things they can’t. That’s my guess.

[restive river]

It’s also just an alt version of our own Earth

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah, which is why they mention it instead of completely avoiding it

[restive river]

Some countries have entirely different names
Some animals either look entirely different or there’s just “new” animals (Tagfer and Bird 3’s ancestor)
I’m sure there’s more but those two stand out the most personally

I mean
The techrot happening
Lotsa place names
Funnily enough it seems the continents have the same names we have for them but countries specifically are different

I’d love if they went more in depth at some point
Maybe some borders are slightly different
What other weird animals are there (like do dogs, horses and cats look like how we know them?)

[ashen pulsar]

Cats are probably more kavat-like

[restive river]

Maybe

[ocean geyser]

Ive always wondered how Non-Tenno based Transference worked

I know Silvana pointed out how weird it was but still

[lean garden]

like so- vorp, you are now transferring your mind to a tree

[ocean geyser]

Lmao

[vast willow]

Eldritch child stalker from another dimension

FINGERLESS eldritch child stalker from another dimension.

[round remnant]

That's creepy and odd child

[ashen pulsar]

He’s not a child, but he stalks you so he’s a child stalker

[tall echo]

Same as tenno-based transference

[ashen pulsar]

He also stalks adults tho. He has a wide stalking portfolio

[obtuse vine]

Is there lore on why humans left earth and started colonizing other planets?

[pale cedar]

Orokin nuked Earth 18 times to purge Infestastation plus the Empire being an Empire

[obtuse vine]

seems like overkill but considering earth doesnt look like deimos id say it was worth it

[ashen pulsar]

Regrew eventually

[pale cedar]

Infestation didn't regrow it wasn't 100% purged, just contained

[ashen pulsar]

I meant earth.

[spice wedge]

In nora volume mix there are scenes about infestation and a kid who like had healing and that kid became infested. It was wierd to watch it.

[dire mountain]

You forgot owlman and sparrow (which are both actual DC characters already, funnily enough)

[humble sierra]

Added, ty!

Though odds are they're just stand-ins for Batman and Robin rather than being the "Evil Batman from Earth 3"

[restive river]

The infestation was mimicking Arlo iirc, so it could lure more people in

[stiff beacon]

yea the infestation of eris decided to go the mimic route

[restive river]

Makes me wish we could actually see Eris’ surface

[stiff beacon]

well the concept art esque sky box make it look like a fractured hellhole

[celest needle]

Do we ever actually kill the bosses we fight

I know we do kill Vor of course

And some bosses obvious get away

But for characters like Tyl Regor and Kela De Thaym

Like it sounds like they died

But they're just perfectly fine in Tyana Pass and Dog Days

[humble sierra]

Dog Days is on Earth, Tyana Pass is on Mars, both of these are before we fight them on their respective planets

[strange plinth]

most replays of missions aren't "canon"
i don't know if Kela is actually killed or just humiliated
the dialogue from Cressa while you're extracting implies the latter i think?
Vay Hek leaves; Alad survives, because he just. doesn't die; i believe the rest die?

[celest needle]

What about Sargas

Defection Missions require him to be alive although we kill him on Saturn but there is a defection node on Phobos which is way after Saturn

[celest needle]

I don't know how Alad V be actually living past 3 seperate boss fights 😭

And cured from the infestation

[strange plinth]

phobos would not be after saturn
but neptune would be
so your point still stands
yea i don't have an explanation for sargas ruk

[celest needle]

I meant to say Neptunee

bleh
but still

I mean they could've but Vey Hek there or something

[brazen nymph]

How strong are Fass and Vome? Could a tenno kill them if they wanted to?

[lean garden]

No clue. No clue

We just know that theyre big

and they beef with each other

[pale cedar]

And don't bother us

[restive river]

Iirc he showed up during the new war events too

I wanna say orphix venom?
Whichever one got Limbo nerfed

[solar hatch]

Question
How common is bullet/projectile deflecting among origin system combatants?

Cuz beside warframes, There's like, a few factions where their melee enemies can also casually deflect projectiles when shot at with the same ease like my waframe does

[restive river]

Warframes likely do it on reaction alone, as for other factions I don’t recall any reflecting bullets but they likely have tech for that if they do

[solar hatch]

I think the most recent one I can recall is the red veil operatives

back when I did rell's mission as the operator, some of the melee guys were definitely pulling off the same nonchalant deflecting like my warframe does
and right now, as I enter durivi at last, after unintentionally jumping quests by doing durivi paradox prematurely, some of the dax can also sorta do it too, I think
now obviously, given that majority of our foes don't do this, I think it's safe to assume it's not ubiquitous for everyone, but it's probably like.... at least, on the uncommon side of things?

[restive river]

How far are you into the story?

[solar hatch]

Recently finished The New War

[restive river]

I can say the Duviri Dax are modeled after the super soldiers known as the Dax from the Orokin Era

[solar hatch]

The Dax, I recall teshin is one

[restive river]

Ah
So I believe the Red Veil Operatives are possessed by the man in the wall

[restive river]

Yes, he and Varzia are the last

We killed the rest alongside the Orokin

[solar hatch]

Btw, the new war is amazing, but the man in the wall was a whole ass jumpscare lol

[tall echo]

umbruh

[restive river]

I mean him, Dagath and an unknown amount of other frames

But being a Warframe is different from a Dax
So

[solar hatch]

Randomly seeing a gigantic ass vitruvian looking man monster thing, while a doppelganger of you is laughing on top of it

[tall echo]

it's likely that the og dagath is dead tho

[restive river]

The og Umbra died too? We rebuilt him lol

[tall echo]

well, technically og dagath is very much not dead we can speak to her lol

[restive river]

Not her name anymore

[tall echo]

we rebuild the same exact person with memories and all

[restive river]

Which is what all the other frames are too, they all have some piece of them left

[tall echo]

yes but entirely technically she would be the actual og dagath

[restive river]

In name only

[tall echo]

but obv that's not who we mean with it

[restive river]

:p

[solar hatch]

ah, this might be a silly question, but why is there a grey teshin simucalra? As in, after he died in operator timeline, who the hell made what's basically his own Purple Lotus™ copy?

[restive river]

He didn’t die

We don’t know who installed the AI teshin
He just
Exists

Nobody really exists to take his place so

[solar hatch]

He didn't? 👁️ in the operator timeline? cuz teshin's in durivi on drifter timeline, but he's alive on operator world too?

[restive river]

Drifter’s timeline is in the void so
Not really their timeline

Also that’s the same Teshin :p

Teshin fell into Duviri the same way Lotus’ hand did

[solar hatch]

Oh wait, the lotus' hand ballas cut off

[restive river]

Ye

[solar hatch]

ayo so that's what the hand belonged to? way back in durivi paradox intro???

[restive river]

Which is what Drifter grows her back from in between their escape and the start of the new war

[restive river]

Yeah it
Makes it pretty obvious

She speaks to us :p

[solar hatch]

I forgor, it's been months since I last touched durivi 😔

[tall echo]

most likely one of the conclave cephs

[restive river]

Lol fair

[solar hatch]

I intentionally avoided it until I finished TNW, as people suggested, for best experience and less spoilers ahead of time

all right ttyl, thanks for elaborating folks

[solar hatch]

Did they ask simaris for a data-immortal copy of teshin :3

[restive river]

It’s likely a simple ai

Can’t be a full cephalon cause
Teshin’s alive

[lean garden]

its not like he's doing anything complicated

just needa wax poetic occasionally

[restive river]

Yeah :p

The most complicated thing it might do is let enemies know we’re coming which
Ordis can also just do?

[north jolt]

Got dang AI taking my art and now it's taking my favorite characters! >:0

[hidden cove]

Do Warframes have speakers in them?

Operator talks through their Warframe in War Within

If not a speaker or sound device then it must be some void shit that lets them project their voice through their Warframe

[north jolt]

Tbh I don't know. I want to say maybe? Only because one of the only times we do hear a Warframe speak is the solar rail specters, who aren't controlled by actual tenno but are still warframes

[hidden cove]

Oh yeah I forgot about Stalker too

He talks. And so do the Acolytes

It's interesting how we barely ever hear Warframes speak. They're almost always silent

[north jolt]

Oh yeah and him. Oraxia too if you count laughing but otherwise frames kinda just make mouth noises like when casting abilities

[hidden cove]

I never heard Oraxia laugh. Cool

[north jolt]

Probably because Warframe is naturally a very noisy game but she does let out some playful giggles though out the fight

So overall answer is *Yes, but to a limited degree

Oh and there is Rell who was technically inside of Harrow the whole time he spoke, but that was probably some kind of tenno telepathy thing then verbal speaking

[restive river]

He’s still alive-

[north jolt]

I know let me yell

[cedar cedar]

Is there a lore reason the orokin built those stupid pillars that pop up out of the floor for no reason other than for you specifically to bullet jump into it head first?

[pale cedar]

Defense mechanism

They weren't on during Orokin leadership though

[violet storm]

Things went sour, orokin turned on defense mechanisms, and nothing was turned back off. Because there was no one to do so

[digital grail]

Give us a massive event that's just going around turning them off permanently

[violet storm]

I mean, the death orbs are pretty useful

[ashen pulsar]

Defense mechanism of 7 foot tall pillars randomly rising out of the ground that you bonk into. Nice one, orokin.

[normal mountain]

They're for firing cover
Pretty sure they weren't designed for the bullet jumping Tenno, but the average soldier

[violet storm]

And for the occasional orokin, cause weren’t they like really tall?

[humble sierra]

They could also be servers/maintenance panels of some sort

[north jolt]

Bruh that's like the dumbest defense mechanism when you already got turrets and lasers and other stuff

[pale cedar]

It’s the Orokin remember

[north jolt]

"tiny wall activate!"

[pale cedar]

I keep wondering how Baro gets past them

[tall echo]

he already has an ugly thing covering his face so the neural sentry doesn't get him

[normal mountain]

Not that dumb when you consider it's cover for foot soldiers

[north jolt]

Yeah but it covers like one person at best and has two flank routes down a narrow hallway

Two walls that pop out from the sides and that creates a funnel path would of been better

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah, but would suck even more for our frames 😭

I’m okay with the orokin being dumb if it creates a slightly better speedster experience

[ocean geyser]

Having cover to hide behind is actually a pretty solid defence mechanism

You can even see corrupted enemies use them as cover

They’re not for you
They’re for them

If it’s bothering you then it’s job is done right

[north jolt]

But it still sucks as cover

[ocean geyser]

They probably didn’t have to worry about Tenno at the timer

[hexed oxide]

What is the neural sentry the lotus talks about in the void

[restive river]

Isn’t that what corrupts the corrupted enemies?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[silk atlas]

Yeah

[rose estuary]

Void fissures in missions in the void are so confusing

Like yes corrupted enemies drop reactant but in the void every enemy is corrupted (yes Ik it’s corrupted enemies from the fissures though)

[ocean geyser]

Getting corrupted twice must be some crazy work

[tall echo]

They should make it so that void void fissures make the affected corrupted have two sentry masks on their face

[humble sierra]

Or it's a double negative and they act like Grineer/Corpus/Infested

[celest needle]

The Acrid looks so similar to Scaldra.

[restive river]

Day ??? of someone comparing the grineer and scaldra again

[celest needle]

To be fair
The gun did release in 2013

And is the only gun like this

The rest don't have that much similarities to Scaldra

[restive river]

It is probably the most scaldra-like thing the grineer have but like
They use chemical weapons anyway
And it just so happens it’s green goo

[humble sierra]

2013? If it's that old, it's probably just some Lasrian aesthetic leftover from darkSector

[restive river]

My point is mostly people kept comparing them and thinking they’re related when they’re uh. Not

[normal mountain]

They're being funded and used by ORO

Which is a direct analog, if not the precursor organization, to the Orokin

And the Orokin had the Grineer as footsoldiers during the Old War

Imo, the analogy is justified

Actually, one of my favorite moments from the 1999 demo was when Arthur snarked about Scaldra's "recruitment issues"

Specifically because the Grineer were clones

[queen hollow]

the grineer were kinda a last resort as footsoldiers weren't they?

[swift sentinel]

Last resort might be too strong, but the Orokin were desperate for weapons against the Sentients

[celest needle]

I know they're not going to be fleshed out at all and are a relic of early warframe but what do you guys headcanon the Stalker Acoltyes are even considering their not regular Tenno, or why they're doing the gig anymore because the Stalker already has a legitimate son and backstory now.

[restive river]

They’re at most comparable but people act like they’re the same thing sometimes :p
like Scaldra turned into the Grineer which isn’t true

They’re like
Very distant cousins at most

Chemical weapons and working for the Orokin
That’s it

Ig militarized designs but. That’s kinda the point? That’s not really a connection it’s just what they are

They’re as connected as the Dax are to the Scaldra

[atomic badge]

is it ever explained why there seem to be random and uninteractable sentients on the uranus tileset?

[pale cedar]

For a quest

[atomic badge]

which quest is it?

[pale cedar]

Natah

[atomic badge]

oh right, just read the wiki page on that quest

[flat cloud]

Hello, I want to understand the "fluff" of creating a Lich in Warframe, I know that Sisters Of Parvos is a Corprus Candidate that volunteered and killed by tenno, got revived and kitted out by Parvos and Vala Glarios (further promoted by later encounter with tenno). But what's going on with the Lich creation of the Grinneer? (I haven't touch the Technocyte system yet)

[pale cedar]

Pretty much same thing but with Kuva

[flat cloud]

Yeah but the Kuva Larvling doesn't have any reason to be there or "chosen" to be a lich? I the fat Grineer line before the spawn doesn't really explain much

[pale cedar]

They are dying Grineer revived by Kuva

That's why you hear the Guardian mention the rot level

[ocean geyser]

Yeah, basically the requirements to be a Larvling is that they’re about to die, either from wounds sustained in battle or because of clone rot

[flat cloud]

Okay, that explains a bit about the Kuva dropped by them before being mercy killed by us, but why does being killed by us elevate them into a Lich?

[ocean geyser]

I’m pretty sure it’s because we kill them using a warframe
They sort of leech off the residual energy using the Kuva

[pale cedar]

Because the Queens order it

[ocean geyser]

I can’t fully remember but it’s something around those lines

[ocean geyser]

Well yeah but i remember adversary dialogue talking about how they use the power of the Void and stolen energy from the Warframe that killed them to become a Lich

Which would probably be why different Warframes create different progenitor elements

Do we consider the official wiki to be a viable source

[flat cloud]

I completely missed that part while reading about the liches

[ocean geyser]

Well now you know lmao

[tall echo]

Not for lore

[flat cloud]

Sister Of Parvos lacks in meta weapons but their presentation is better than Kuva Liches, that's for sure because how else would I pick up hints about why a Grineer is after me after killing them?

[pale cedar]

Wiki for lore isn't good but it is for gameplay

[tall echo]

Watch the kuva lich cutscene

[ocean geyser]

Man 😔

[flat cloud]

Iirc I'm still processing the quest to even pay much attention about the cutscene, I thought that cutscence was about the Younger Queen trying to revive her sister using Kuva

[shell robin]

Were there any Tenno who actually liked the orokin?

[pale cedar]

None stated to actually like them

Considering the whole plot to murder them doesn't seem likely any did

[atomic badge]

speaking of the orokin. since we now know that the scaldra are the ancestors of the orokin, in the event that relic fissures make their way to hollvania, how will it be explained lore wise for the scaldra to become corrupted? 🤔

[pale cedar]

Will just be gameplay rather than lore

[atomic badge]

hmm

[pale cedar]

But I'd say a reason could be Void affecting 1999

Corrupted by Void rather than the Sentry

[ocean geyser]

I love how the lore’s like “The Lotus commanded the Tenno to kill the Orokin cause Ballas Hunhow plot funny moments”

As if the Tenno weren’t perfectly fine with doing it themselves

Like if you left them alone for long enough they’d probably do it anyway

[rose estuary]

Pretty sure it was more so the lotus nudging the Tenno to do it than her ordering us to

Idk though

[vagrant tartan]

Maybe even Stalker would've done it...

Since, yk....his wife and all

[ocean geyser]

Wasn’t bro kissing ass the whole time to try and gain enough favour for said wife back?

[vagrant tartan]

He'd probably grow sick of it and turn on them

[ocean geyser]

Fair

Although that’s still one Warframe against the whole Orokin empire

Unless he’d somehow get the Tenno to join him idk

[vagrant tartan]

Jade herself would turn on the Orokin

[vagrant tartan]

Kullervo would prob do it too...but only if Ballas ordered

[raven urchin]

Stalker was turned into a dog, he forgot who his wife was and what was made of him after they force turned him into a warframe

[raven urchin]

Some would, some other possibly wouldn't, Warframe go deep in the shades of gray between a the good and evil, instead of a dicotomy. Some Tenno could even believe they were to belong in the noble society of the Orokin, I think Protea could be an example of it ( although if I'm not mistaken, Protea was a Warframe without operator guarding Parvos, kinda like the Stalker I think)

I always get confused if Stalker had or not an Operator

[ocean geyser]

I don’t think he did
He didn’t even know the Operators existed until Second Dream

[raven urchin]

True that, I think it's Hunhow way of saying that made it a little confusing for me " You still hate them, you still hate yourself"

[ocean geyser]

He hates Warframes first and foremost

[raven urchin]

Oh, that makes sense

So when he says "You still think, Was I one of this wretched things?" Hunhow was talking about humans in general right

[ocean geyser]

“Was I one of these wretched things?” Means he’s not sure if he had an operator

Which means he’s unsure if he’s also a Tenno because he doesn’t grasp the difference between Tenno and Warframe

Like a “wtf, am I a Tenno???”

[tall echo]

Kullervo partially caused the tenno to rebel, so ballas probably doesn't have to order it

[tall echo]

Scaldra aren't ancestors of the orokin tho, their employers are implied to be

[raven urchin]

Do you guys think Dark Sector story may be adapted into Warframe? As the reason for the infestation? Maybe instead of happening in the 2000's it actually happening in the 80's-90's? I think there's some good plot points there that could be adapted in here

Maybe we get a Hayden Tenno protoskin

[ocean geyser]

It’s sort of a vage connection iirc

[ocean geyser]

I mean
We have that already, technically

Excal proto skin

[raven urchin]

Yes but there is no Hayden face though

[silk atlas]

Issue is there's some time-jump that happens halfway through Dark Sector and the earlier half of the game happens in 1987 before so nothing lines up. Frankly just let Dark Sector rest, everyone else has tried to find some connection to it and if it being a literal fiction piece in 1999 isn't enough to ward those thoughts away nothing will.

[pale cedar]

Wasn’t Dark Sector in the 80s causing an issue with it being in Warframe

[silk atlas]

The Technocyte is found in '87 in Lasria

[tall echo]

No connection

[fossil sequoia]

I honestly thought that the Hex KIM texting thing would be half assed and just be meaningless conversations like a lot of other games (Looking at you Hoyoverse) do but holy shit am I so glad I was wrong

[ocean geyser]

The vague connection as in they reference it

[fossil sequoia]

Genuinely blown away by the amount of character building and interesting conversations there are

[ocean geyser]

But it doesn’t really have any direct impact on the lore

[tall echo]

That's not a connection that's references

[tall echo]

Much lore yees

[fossil sequoia]

Eleanor PLEASEEE call me

[raven urchin]

Oh, I meant to say that also with the time jump, which the 1987 would line nicely if it was 1967

[tall echo]

Most of dark sector takes place way after 2000 no?

[silk atlas]

Yeah

[raven urchin]

Yes, but if they adapted the story it could work

[silk atlas]

It'd be first part of DS -> 1999 -> The rest of DS's story???

[fossil sequoia]

General question, other than the few that I know of (Excal Umbra, Jade, Stalker) are there other frames where we know of their backstories before they were infected?

[silk atlas]

Some of the Prime trailers.

[raven urchin]

No bro, it'd be first part 1960ish, second part 1980ish

[tall echo]

Yareli prim

[fossil sequoia]

Ty ty

[fossil sequoia]

Also was curious as to who is piloting the giant vessel thing that Loid sees in the Hex Finale

[vagrant tartan]

Us (Drifter)

[fossil sequoia]

Oh i guess that makes sense yeah

[daring flare]

is Kullervo sentient?

[strange plinth]

the one we build isn't, but the one in duviri is

[daring flare]

I see, thanks

[pale cedar]

All Warframes are sentient but don't act unless they have sufficient motivation

[digital grail]

Motivation?

https://tenor.com/view/vergilsmile-vergil-vergil-dmc-vergil-devil-may-cry-vergil-dmc5-gif-24388059

[digital grail]

Devil may Steve

[lilac aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-motivation-motivated-dmc-gif-9843038614972737037

[ocean geyser]

Chat what do we think Mara Lohk means
(Or just Mara since Lohk means Void)

Best guess I personally have is that it maybe means something analogue to Child since Wally always calls the Operator “Kiddo”

[humble sierra]

"Mara" is most people's guess.

"Mara Lohk" = Void Child

Some people think it means "Demon" just because the Helminth and Ballas call us demons/devils, but that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense from everyone else. Wally might mock us by calling us Void Demon, maybe, but the Cavia wouldn't.

Most notably, the Lotus Eaters theme is in Voidtongue and has the lyric "Ilve, ilve, Mara". Considering she's implied to be the one singing it, it makes no sense for her to call her demons when she's called us her Child since the beginning.

That song also has the lyric "Amare Jeliira". We know "Yara Jeliira" means "Behold my heart", so it's probably something similar regarding the heart-- more evidence that the song comes from a place of love.

[ocean geyser]

Makes sense

[tall echo]

Also the cavia appear to have taken it from wally based on how kinda weirdly fishynacho says it

[thick scaffold]

DJ Rom is incredibly based.

[raven urchin]

Mara is the Demon in Buddism, maybe that's why

[restive river]

Nah people usually claim Mara means demon cause Ballas was rude to us and called us that a lot :p

[pale cedar]

But his insult was devil

[restive river]

I did theorize it could be demon cause when I looked into what it meant in another languages (like Buddism) I found out it meant that
But
Voidtongue isn’t real worlds

[restive river]

Demon and devil are like
The same thing :p

Anyway Mara is likely child for the above reasons of Lotus singing it, using it, the Cavia using it and it being directed towards us

[pale cedar]

Did the Cavia dislike us at all?

[restive river]

No

There’s also literally no reason for Lotus to use it as an insult and it’s def been used to refer to us

Mara absolutely refers to the tenno even outside of voidtongue since that’s our tenno’s name in the script
Which ofc is purely an internal name, your tenno’s name is technically your Username ig

[pale cedar]

Also isn’t even the first time Wally has called us a kid

[restive river]

I mean him calling us Kiddo is a product of him peering into our past and finding our childhood nickname from our father

But yeah, it makes more sense for him to call us “Child of the Void”
Since
That is what we are

[rough wind]

tagfer's just lonely, bird 3 is bird 3, fibbonacci sees you as a pawn.

[restive river]

He sees as useful cause we have hands and he doesn’t

He’s def jealous we have legs

[pale cedar]

And he’s trapped behind glass

Which requires water

Imagine how annoyed Loid must be having to deal with a pet fish

[restive river]

The annoying part is that he talks

Fish aren’t really annoying animals to deal with, they don’t get in as much trouble

[rough wind]

loid finds it more annoying that he's a damn narcissist

[restive river]

Like he’s not used to those, please

[rough wind]

yeah but he can excuse his albrecht because he's a lifelong assistant and friend

maybe even lover/hj

[pale cedar]

Loid finds it more annoying that he was trained to assist Archimedians but was left with Albrechts science experiments and a space ninja

[rough wind]

and his vast collection of

stuff

[restive river]

The closest thing to an archimedian he has now is Fib who is
Annoying

And I’d like to think us but he never lets us in on what’s going on 😔
Let us ask voidy questions

[pale cedar]

Dw I’m saving Voidy questions for Albrecht

I don’t trust Mother to remember the answers to them still

[restive river]

Lmao

[celest needle]

Where were the syndicates and the relay NPCs during the New War? I can assume they were veiled but the syndicates are still pretty large

[ocean geyser]

That’s something i’ve been wondering

I’d bet some members of Steel Meridian and Red Veil were doing freedom fighter stuff at the very least, but it’s entirely possible the majority or less of them could have gotten veiled

[celest needle]

I wouldn't be surprised if Steel Meridian managed to stay around, considering their base is pretty close to the drifters' camp and they've managed to hide from the Grineer for that long

Although for the Arbiters or Perrin, I am assuming the lot of them were veiled as they are mainly stationed on relays

Not too sure about Suda or New Loka

[ocean geyser]

Granted, Narmer’s a bit more competent than the Grineer

[celest needle]

I'm not willing to believe Clem was veiled

[ocean geyser]

He probably just pulled a Kahl

[celest needle]

Although Narmer veils can affect AI’s

They just reprogrammed or modified Moa’s which is easy enough

But what could they have really done to Suda or Simaris

[restive river]

Red Veil aren’t really
Freedom fighters?

They’re more burn everything out of anarchy and chaos… fighters

[ocean geyser]

They’re certainly very “kill evil guys” fighters

[restive river]

Eeh, they don’t seem to care about good or evil

They dislike Suda
Suda

She’s literally just vibing, wanting knowledge and art

Yeah VERY evil

[ocean geyser]

It’s because they’ll do anything to kill evil guys, including mass destruction, which suda hates

[restive river]

It’s more so they just have different ideologies
Red veil are factually immoral anarchists and Suda is basically a museum owner

[ocean geyser]

RV: WE WILL VIOLENTLY PURGE THE GALAXY

Suda: Can you guys chill out

RV: no

[restive river]

One loves creation the other craves the destruction of all

[restive river]

System
Not galaxy

[ocean geyser]

Oh right lmao

[restive river]

Warframe does not take place on a galactic scale, idk how people come to that conclusion

Anyway yeah red veil is an anarchist cult

That’s just literally what they are, they don’t really care about good or evil

Good and evil isn’t even really clear cut in wf
Heck the tenno are consistent war criminals and murderers
Is it for a good cause?
yes
Is it still murder?
yes

[ocean geyser]

We’re just used to saying galaxy lmao

[restive river]

Literally the fault of other sci fi media

Warframe establishes pretty well it’s just one system and tbh it should be obvious to anyone who knows the planets in our system cause
That’s all there is

At most Warframe deals with two system, Sol and Tau
That’s not really a galactic scale lol

[silk atlas]

It's like saying "town" but really you only care about two houses that are on opposite ends of said town.

[celest needle]

A Sense of Scale? In my sci-fi media?

[restive river]

LMAO

[humble sierra]

Ngl it's weird the ProtoFrames had codenames and they're pretty much never used

[wheat hatch]

They have codenames??? How did I miss that-

[humble sierra]

I think it's exclusive to this website, so it might've just been an ARG clue, but I also feel like it could've been in the comic and their introductory cutscene in the game.

https://www.warframe.com/1999/protoframes

[wheat hatch]

:0

Odjnsjfiei- okej my memory is back. Thank you

[humble sierra]

I hope we get an ARG for Tau too

[ocean geyser]

What do you guys suppose Duviri looks like to those that don’t have access to it? (Wally, Murmur, Void Angels and such)

[pale cedar]

Wally Murmur and Void Angels have all showed up in Duviri

[ocean geyser]

Well yeah
He doesn’t necessarily have full control is more of what i mean

I guess, what would it look like from outside?
Unless the loading screen is a good enough reference

[pale cedar]

Probably just looks like the Void to others

Wally can probably see what it actually looks like though

Albrecht is a Void expert so him finding a way in sort of makes sense

[violet storm]

My question is, how the hell is Vor of all people in the void, and duviri too

[pale cedar]

Because he’s Coruupted Vor

Regular Vor wouldn’t be able to get in

Duviri is stated to be pulling Coruupted in

[violet storm]

the Janus key is a void key of sorts, right?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[violet storm]

Specifically to the undercroft

[ocean geyser]

Oh
I thought the Corrupted were just showing up for some reason

“Mmm… free real estate”

[pale cedar]

Which is exactly where he spawns

[violet storm]

I assume The Thrax are in Duviri proper because of Thrax being Thrax.

[ocean geyser]

I imagine the Corrupted are there because the Neural Sentry requires void nonsense to work
Given it can also hijack people via void fissures

[pale cedar]

Thrax made them

[tall echo]

The thrax are dominus' soldiers

[pale cedar]

Loduns replacement

[ocean geyser]

Thrax as in the glowing void grineer or the Duviri Dax?

[pale cedar]

Both are one and the same

[ocean geyser]

Wait huh

[pale cedar]

I mean Glowing Void Grineer and Thrax Dax are both made by Thrax

Currently referring to the Thrax Legatus though

And other types

[ocean geyser]

Ah

[tall echo]

Duviri dax aren't thrax, thrax are thrax

[ocean geyser]

I know, but sometimes people call them that anyway

[tall echo]

Never seen anyone call the dax thrax

DE is singlehandedly doubling the amount of x uses in conversations

Thrax, dax, orax...

[gray silo]

Tennox

[opaque zenith]

"Txnnx xsx thx kxxs, bxt thxx xrx mxrx trxspxssxrs. Xnlx X, Vxr, knxw thx trxx pxwxr xf thx Vxxd."

[rose estuary]

What’s the best strategy for farming for prime resurgence relics just stock up on relics for the whole 30 days or get a few then open those then repeat?

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

Not sure why you’re asking in lore tho lol

[rose estuary]

I didn’t realize that until after I sent that but it was already there so I just committed lol

Plus it would’ve just gotten buried if I asked in warframe general

[ocean geyser]

Do you guys think that Wally would pretend to die just to mess with us?

[spice wedge]

He is void devil

[pale cedar]

We wouldn't care

[raven urchin]

I think that if Wally dies the void and it's energy goes with him, if that is bad or not it is to be seen

[pale cedar]

Wally isn't the Void though

Wally is of the Void and existed sometime after the Void existed

[raven urchin]

Was that confirmed anywhere? I keep losing this lore bits

[pale cedar]

Albrecht says he created Wally
Operator report calls it a possibility
Sythel says Wally was created by Albrecht via CE

It is definitely the thing DE are going with at this point

[raven urchin]

What is CE?

[pale cedar]

Conceptual Embodiment

[raven urchin]

Oh, now I get it, Wally is not the void, but the Fear of Entrati Embodied

[pale cedar]

Yes

"The first scholar looked into the Void and he feared it. And his fear took shape. Do you understand? That's how all this started."

[woven coyote]

I mean at least that's what the character that associates everything with fear says

[pale cedar]

She was taught about stuff by Albrecht

[raven urchin]

So this creates me a question, is there more than one Wally? If we go by the last scene in Whisper there is Entrati Wally and Operator Wally, I know Wally can take other shapes, but it was the first time we saw 2 separated entities

[pale cedar]

'The Man In The Wall' is identical with the entity known to us as 'The Indifference'.

Albrecht Entrati is ultimately responsible for attracting its attention to the Origin System.

Albrecht Entrati may be ultimately responsible for its existence.

[pale cedar]

No there is only one Wally hence why our Wally knows about both deals

[round remnant]

This changes everything... (from my perspective)

[silk atlas]

They're all Wally but it shows itself in multiple forms

[raven urchin]

So it can multiply itself

[silk atlas]

...No. It just shows up as whatever it wants. It's not doing it constantly

[lean garden]

I mean theres that one time in duviri where wally duplicated an entire classroom so

[raven urchin]

There was also this time

[pale cedar]

Wally can make clones of himself, yeah

[misty salmon]

The murmur may just be Wally bits too, which would be rather a lot of clones at once.

[raven urchin]

True

So one could say the Void fudup Albrecht and gave birth to Wally ?

[pale cedar]

Not even may just be it is mentioned in codex to be Wally brutally cutting himself

[raven urchin]

The guy is an edgy teen, that's Tenno influence

[restive river]

There’s like one thing that points to him being as old as stars too but tbh I think that if he existed in any capacity prior to Albrecht it didn’t really matter cause he wasn’t anything til he fell in

Like
He’s as old as stars in the same way humanity is if that makes sense?

[raven urchin]

They would be older, but yes, their senciency is younger than Albrecht's

As the philosopher would say, I Think than I Exist

So the contrary would be true

[proper barn]

@raven urchin I mean there are a fee CE creations.

Like Thrax and duviri.

[restive river]

I mean in the way that we are made of stardust, everything we are is because stars came to be
Wally is made of the void which is presumably very old

[raven urchin]

Yes of course, but that assumption would not be related to this comparison of Stardust and Humans, it would make the Void and Wally closer of being the same entity, however I understand that Wally didn't came to be Wally until Albrecht meeting

[ocean geyser]

I love how this means Wally immediately decided he was gonna start shit right after existing

[pale cedar]

As any good Void entity that is Indifferent at that time would

[ocean geyser]

Lmao

On another note, I gotta wonder

How long, exactly, does it take for Eternalism to kick in?

Because it’s not exactly clear how long the Drifter was in the main Origin System until they got Void powers

[strange plinth]

hermes-coded

[tall echo]

That's unrelated to eternalism

[ocean geyser]

Oh

[pale cedar]

Took 1 single handshake to cause a split creating an alternate timeline Operator

[tall echo]

The operator wc

Technically drifter themselves isn't even actually eternalism because they're not from an alternate reality, they're from the void

[ocean geyser]

Whuh?

God now I’m getting mad confused

[tall echo]

Eternalism in wf is just "alternate realities exist, we can't access 'em tho"

Drifter was created in (and never left) the void

The void is between realities

[ocean geyser]

Okay
Well here was my understanding
-Wally kills every other version of the Operator in return for giving them Void powers
-Wally spares one version, but doesn’t give them void powers
-Drifter creates a conceptual embodiment of Duviri because the Zariman’s scary

And yeah

[pale cedar]

Drifter wasn’t created by the Void
Drifter and Operator had the exact same events until the deal

[ocean geyser]

Yeah that’s what i remember

[pale cedar]

Reading the book was instructed to keep control of emotions

[ocean geyser]

Yeah
Just got manifested because of the heightened emotional state of the Drifter

The Drifter is “From the Void” in the sense that they lived there for a while

[lean garden]

Oh uh ah

Drifter's existence requires eternalism to be a thing

like even if you say he was manifested in the void, what was manifested requires eternalism to be true in order to be manifested in the first place

[tall echo]

I'm not saying eternalism isn't a thing

[lean garden]

Im saying that Drifter is eternalism in action

because its critical for his existence no matter what

[ocean geyser]

Then how does the Drifter get Void powers if not through Eternalism?

[tall echo]

By fusing with operator

[ocean geyser]

That still sounds like Eternalism

[tall echo]

How

[ocean geyser]

they literally become one and the same? Which is the point of eternalism?
From what I understood, the reason the Drifter gets Void powers is because the Operator has Void powers, so the Drifter has it given to them after existing in the Operator timeline for long enough

[tulip ridge]

Coulda sworn Eternalism was the idea that you both did and didn't do one thing or another

[tall echo]

But entirely technically drifter isn't eternalism bc they're not part of an alternate reality

[tall echo]

That is not what eternalism is

[tulip ridge]

it's like deciding to paint your house red or blue, one timeline you painted it blue while in your timeline you chose red

[lean garden]

but theyre a manifestation of an alternate reality at the very least, which means, eternalism in action

[tulip ridge]

is that right?

[tall echo]

I just explained eternalism in one very simple sentence earlier

[lean garden]

Like specifically Yonta calls you and drifter out as living examples of eternalism

[tall echo]

Yeah my autism just really likes technicalities

[tall echo]

Yes, that

[ocean geyser]

It was my understanding that if you took something from one universe and put it in another, it would automatically gain the features of the version of it in that universe

[tall echo]

Wf eternalism is literally just split timelines

[tall echo]

That is completely wrong

[lean garden]

as well as Drifter specifically saying that the present timeline is something theyve been "written into" like a cameo, which means that they are very much not native, and hence, very much an "alternate" timeline variant, even if they didnt have to cross over from the other timeline

[lean garden]

well its definitely not the case with the Drifter as shown in how everything went down in Act 2

[tulip ridge]

I'm gonna be so real I only vaguely remember eternalism because of the quiz flashback they had on the zariman

[tall echo]

.

[tulip ridge]

yeah that probably seems right

Perhaps it's both

[ocean geyser]

If any case I figured that the whole reason the Drifter and Operator fused is because they (usually) can’t exist separately, simultaneously

So maybe an altered version of my original idea

[tall echo]

Drifter got booted into operator's reality without void powers after leaving duviri, then they eventually fuse into one being which gives drifter void powers

[ocean geyser]

They fuse because they can’t exist simultaneously, causing one half to gain what the other has if they don’t have it

[tulip ridge]

So what I'm seeing is that it's up for debate to why they fused?

[ocean geyser]

That’s what it’s shifted to I think

[tall echo]

Where are you getting that from

Drifter and operator don't ever appear in the same place until after they fuse

[ocean geyser]

From what i was seeing in the New War
Cause the Drifter gets void powers while fighting Natah and we don’t see the Operator ANYWHERE until the Zariman segment

[tall echo]

Drifter gets powers after the natah segment, during which the two fuse

[tulip ridge]

Yeahh that's exactly what I was thinking

[tall echo]

Operator was stuck in a time loop in the void before they fuse with drifter

[ocean geyser]

But it doesn’t look like that in the slightest?
To me, it felt like they do the fusion shit after the Natah fight

Yk
I should probably ask this:

[tall echo]

Replay tnw

[tulip ridge]

Can concur, I didn't recall ever seeing the Drifter do anything void related, only that Ordis was like 'wtf this guy shares biosignatures with my operator they must be my operator'

[tall echo]

Yes

[ocean geyser]

Where are: you getting this, Scrap?

[tall echo]

Logical observations, discussions with other ppl

[ocean geyser]

Because this is getting increasingly difficult to understand because of all the conflicting information

[tall echo]

And very good memory about how things happen

[pale cedar]

You see them swap during Natah segment of the quest

[tulip ridge]

I can't exaassctly say when the drifter gets void powers, (as I don't remember too clearly myself) only that it happened sometime after they came to the origin system during new war

[pale cedar]

That's also the deal segment

[tall echo]

The only conflicting information is what you're insisting on

[ocean geyser]

I literally only ever see them in the same place in the Zariman segment and the “choose the Name the Lotus goes with” segments

That’s why i’m so confused rn

[tall echo]

When they fuse with operator

[tulip ridge]

Yeah

it's starting to jog now

[pale cedar]

During TNW time loop deal

[silk atlas]

They got some loaner powers from Lotus's hand in Duviri but that was seemingly temporary.

[tall echo]

During the latter they swap

[ocean geyser]

Yeah i know that much

[tulip ridge]

Was just about to ask about that, actually. That does sound right now that I reflect on how the Drifter was even able to use a Warframe in duviri

[ocean geyser]

Unless you’re saying that the segment where you can see the Operator and Drifter mimicking the handshake with the Wally is the fusion point

[pale cedar]

They swap during the Lotus name segment

[ocean geyser]

I’m
Not denying that

[tall echo]

It is

[ocean geyser]

Huh
I think i was sort of interpreting that as a metaphorical thing
“Hey guys check it out, Operator and Drifter are the only ones that didn’t die! :3”

Or something idk

[tall echo]

It's very literal, that's when they get fused

Also the first time operator swaps places with drifter

[ocean geyser]

Well now the only question is: how the hell does the fusion work???

[silk atlas]

Like that.

[ocean geyser]

That’s simultaneously informative and uninformative

[silk atlas]

Drifter's timeline is basically gone anyway so they're here to stay and I doubt there's gonna be any more elaboration on the specific mechanics since answering another aspect of it would just leave people to ask more questions.

[tall echo]

It just works

They occupy the same spot in existence

[silk atlas]

I can already imagine people asking if anyone else would be able to do it if this scarily unique circumstance was somehow not specific only to the Tenno.

[ocean geyser]

I guess i’m more wondering what causes it
Unless contact with one another is the prerequisite

[silk atlas]

We dunno, that's the only time it's happened that we know of

[ocean geyser]

Is it deadass just “handshake that fuses you”?

[ocean geyser]

Fair

[silk atlas]

It's like people asking "What the hell is Sirius/Orion?" brother have we seen a Warframe give birth before

[ocean geyser]

I think I’m just gonna run with “contact fuses you” until further notice

[restive river]

How would that not be comparable? How foes that make them the same entity? No, you misunderstand my comparison.

[raven urchin]

That may be

[restive river]

It’s not really a may be

[raven urchin]

How can it not be a may be?

[restive river]

Because you misunderstand what I’m saying

[raven urchin]

Exactly, that may be

I may have misunderstood you

[restive river]

You did, it’s not a may or may not

[raven urchin]

Than I did

[pale cedar]

This is a weird mini chain

[silk atlas]

OKAY SO BARO'S WALLY DEAL IS JUST FULL ON CANON NOW AND NOT JUST A THROWAWAY LINE IN A MAIL INBOX

[strange turtle]

Also like

Metawise Drifter is the reason for Eternalism to exist

[lean garden]

metawise lol

[pale cedar]

Wasn't it already canon?

[silk atlas]

Yeah, just like there's more info on it

[glacial bough]

It's looking like, yeah

Well dang boys, new Orokin just dropped

[lean garden]

Please please please be one of the remaining 2 unaccounted executors

[brazen seal]

[silk atlas]

An executioner would be sick

[glacial bough]

If they're an executor they have to have been an EXTREME PoS

[lean garden]

Dude was an immediate pompous arse, please please PLEASE be one of the remaining 2 executors

[glacial bough]

But wait.....this guy is romanceable

[violet storm]

Oh dear

[brazen seal]

I only care abt yonta being romanceable

not even proto wisp can take that away from me

[violet storm]

?
Huh

[brazen seal]

[misty salmon]

Well, this throws loops into the whole "protoframes are entirely an Albrecht/1999 thing" theory.

[glacial bough]

Eh, yes and no

[strange plinth]

they were still calling it an entrati side story
but what orokin would agree to this
i'm actually wondering if these protos will be in 1999 or not now

[flat condor]

All I wanna know is HOW an orokin ended up in 1999

[glacial bough]

We know he was working on them in his lab, it doesn't break anything for Albrecht to have snatched someone as a test bed before hitting 1999 proper

[lean garden]

I mean, so far everything we've been told about them tells us that its an albrecht thing

so I dont think its reasonable to not think that

[silk atlas]

It's still Albrecht, he had a voiceline in the trailer. And it's not like he's only going to use it in 1999

[west oasis]

Still an Albrecht thing but what confuses is who came first urel or roathe

Also why was the reveal video the devil's triad video in reverse

[west oasis]

His not in 1999 this is more connected to the old peace

[strange plinth]

ye olde "demonic messages hidden in recordings revealed when played backwards" probably

[west oasis]

My guess his in albercht labs due the doors

[silk atlas]

Either it's a Flare/Temple situation where it was designed but never made, or there were already Uriels running around before Roathe got got.

[west oasis]

Yeah that makes sense
Forward for the question
Backwards for the answer

[west oasis]

Can the orokin ever be forgiven
What need has a devil for forgiveness

[lean garden]

what was the last line he said after that?

[west oasis]

We know Uriel was an outcast though so he was made and probably not massed produced

[peak ether]

I was so wrong

[west oasis]

When hell is a lie spun by madman

Also the void tongue is also backwards but at the end it becomes like the first trailer

[lean garden]

how do we know Uriel was an outcast?

All we know is homeboy is a "heretic of xata" but like, that aint mean squat for Warframe development

[west oasis]

DElayed video on it and I think a few notes from the website and also albercht saying "in banshiment answer*

DElayed which is an actual DE account made a video that just dropped lore about the religious beliefs of the orokin

[lean garden]

??

I feel like thats incredibly dubious

[strange plinth]

i. don't think so??

[west oasis]

I'm shocked too didn't know DElayed was official

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMAPYCYvp/

[lean garden]

who told you they were official?

because thats incredibly fan made

[west oasis]

Nobody but having DE capitalized in your name is against the eula already

[west oasis]

With the official ballas voice?

[pale cedar]

It was actually confirmed to be Uriel way before

-# (Taken from the new TennoCon Major Reveals trailer)

"In addition to offering up Protoframes for Wisp and Harrow and the new devil-themed Warframe, Uriel, The Old Peace will also set the stage for a major new expansion into the Tau System coming later in 2026."

[lean garden]

if thats your username in warframe

nothing said you cant do it on TikTok

Warframe's EULA doesnt extend to a completely different platform

[lean garden]

Are you sure its even the official ballas voice?

[west oasis]

Actually they've been several interactions of DE stepping to stop creators from having DE

[lean garden]

Are you sure homeboy isnt using AI

[strange plinth]

the camera work and shoddy lighting says this is not official imo
on top of everything else

[silk atlas]

I've read that as the Protoframe for Wisp and Harrow (one subject) and the new devil-themed Warframe, Uriel (another subject), but egg on my face now.

[peak ether]

It was a cool concept though having a “holy trinity” against the demon frame

[west oasis]

To be fair it could be just reb or someone else trolling

[lean garden]

Yea no thats a DAMN AI voice over

[strange plinth]

she can do that on main have you seen her socials

[pale cedar]

They really didn't do the best wording by saying and and and

[silk atlas]

Oh brother why is this the second time I'm seeing this!

[west oasis]

She would think it would be funny

[lean garden]

I just checked one of their lore videos and theyve already got a fakeroni lotus with fakeroni lotus lore

[west oasis]

Yes those voices are obviously fake but this one sounds a lot more different

[pale cedar]

They said Lotus and Margulis are the same person didn't they?

[west oasis]

Also there upload schedule matches that of DE going on break

[lean garden]

which means the credibility of the whole account is in the trash

[west oasis]

Also how the hell do they do all of that with just being fans

[strange plinth]

DE's breaks are often well known, though

[lean garden]

because if thats a DE account, you know how EASY it is to get Lotus's voice actor to voice the lotus?

[raven urchin]

You mean Rebb?

[west oasis]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMAPYPYoF/ HOW DO YOU DO THIS AS A FAN

[lean garden]

The creative director of warframe directly controls Lotus's VA's schedule

[lean garden]

shhhh, thats the big point

[raven urchin]

Sorry

[lean garden]

I mean, you act like people dont have access to the game files

[raven urchin]

That's a great punchline tough

[lean garden]

which they do, I know folks who are capable of doing this on an offline version of warframe

[west oasis]

Why is the link so big

[pale cedar]

Rebb was the real Sentient mimic all along

[silk atlas]

People are SCARY when it comes to reverse-engineering video games

[brazen seal]

the quality ?

[strange plinth]

ai voice. the models are in the game as they were shown at the tennocon relay
intentionally not accessing the game's servers so you can do whatever with all of it

[west oasis]

No seriously how do you explain this

[lean garden]

In sum: [DE]Layed is entirely a fan account as is not for a single moment real

because like, its all fake, its undeniably fake

[lean garden]

there are people who have working offline builds of the game which allows them to do funny shenanigans

[west oasis]

Not the voices

[pale cedar]

They even admit it is fake by calling it only entertainment

[west oasis]

They said it's never coming

[strange plinth]

addressing the one point repeatedly and ignoring the rest is an interesting move

[brazen seal]

I bet 2 credits he's the owner of the channel and are just self promoting

[west oasis]

I'm talking about how they have access to the mods that we're made on a dev stream

[lean garden]

Like there is nothing you can do to salavage their credibility as an official account, seeing as they've successfully managed to do several things that DE in their capacity wouldnt do

[west oasis]

I win 2 credits

[silk atlas]

Wasn't there an Ava that shown in one of the Tennocon Relays?

[lean garden]

because they have the game files???

[strange plinth]

you can do a lot with the right tools. including those mods

[lean garden]

like hello, they're not goofy about a version of warframe that we use, theyre using their own local builds and doing stupid things

[west oasis]

The dev build files and game files are different though

[silk atlas]

He's modifying the game files himself

[lean garden]

^^^^^^

[silk atlas]

This is a thing you can do if you have ripped an offline build for yourself

[lean garden]

They cant even get lore right

the Lotus doesnt gain the innate abilities of the things she's mimicked

[strange plinth]

we saw how easy it was to do on a devstream the only difficult bit is filepaths and getting access

[lean garden]

and no, showing a clip of the lotus in the arsenal is the opposite of evidence

[west oasis]

Modding the game is against ToS though

[silk atlas]

Oh yeah when they were making the Augment for Caliban, right?

[west oasis]

Why would someone record themselves breaking ToS

[brazen seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/939660302537080882.webp?size=48&animated=true

the chat rn^

[silk atlas]

The same reason people would record themselves breaking the law: It's cool or they think it's cool

[lean garden]

theyre not modding the version of warframe that is played online

[west oasis]

Me rn

[strange plinth]

people do stupid things for fame

[violet storm]

Fame? More like Infamy

[silk atlas]

Also because they're not affecting the main, online game itself, yeah.

[strange plinth]

same thing to The Algorithm

[lean garden]

but also like you hold great faith in someone who does shenanigans like this to not be itching to- Juice?

[violet storm]

Heya juice

[silk atlas]

Juice Prime when

[lean garden]

Juice in lore, thats a first

[brazen seal]

[stray elm]

Lets not post content in here that comes from "dev build"s. Thank you!

[west oasis]

Okay juice

[stray elm]

(obvious exceptions if it came from a DE staff, like say Pablo!)

[lean garden]

Will Pablo finally bring Garuda Lore?

[strange plinth]

speaking of garuda lore
nothing confirmed with nokko, huh?

[strange turtle]

I mean the updates named after him and the mushroom stuff Vallis has going on and we’re getting a tileset

[strange turtle]

So there’s going to be something

[raven urchin]

Nokko is affiliated to Yarelli though

[misty salmon]

Nokko reveal from what I saw so far seems to be "Ghibli frame" with the little shroom spirits. Nothing obvious on Garuda included.

[strange turtle]

That + nowadays new warframes getting their own vendor (is it all or just most? I’m not keeping track)

[strange plinth]

last 5 or 6 have, at least
the ones i've been present for

[misty salmon]

sometimes they go to old vendors (Citrine at Otak), but yeah, the "pity currency" system seems to be here to stay, which is probably good.

[raven urchin]

I doubt though, unless they are all a big family, Nokko is Yarelli's brother apparently

So there's already a lore connection there

[strange plinth]

garuda's bp was found in a tangle of vallis fungi
which is where the hope for garuda lore came from
the connection to yareli is fine. she has some lore already but more doesn't hurt

[violet storm]

So, we’re getting another little rebel?

[lean garden]

wuh? How did we get Nokko being yarelli's brother?

[pale cedar]

Steve forgot about the Garuda lore he promised

[raven urchin]

That's what people been saying in Devstream channel, I have to watch it yet

[strange plinth]

mostly off-handed comment about why they're paired
steve asked an animator why yareli showed up in the idle animation and they responded that they were siblings
unclear if canon i think

[silk atlas]

They mentioned in the style sheet and stuff that the vibe was "Yareli's younger brother"

And now it blew up to the point where it's almost canon.

[raven urchin]

That is kinda stuff you don't disclose unless it is the idea, if it is not they will have to say in full words to aplacate the wave of angry fanartists

[silk atlas]

They said "Warframe rework", people assumed Oberon when it was Valkyr and then we got a bunch of art of Oberon in a hospital bed lol

[misty salmon]

already sketching the "Yarelli's family dinner" spoof of that turkey picture?

[raven urchin]

I'm upset for Mercury though, only planet that doesn't have a frame, while venus has 4

#justiceforMercury

[strange plinth]

deimos technically has 4 too
nekros, xaku, qorvex, dante
so does earth, really
gara, revenant, hydroid, koumei

[misty salmon]

Hmm, on the idea of fun classic art parody: Lyon and Marie as American Gothic while Roathe burns the house down behind them.

[pale cedar]

Can someone quickly remind me what's Uriel's actual protoname again?

[silk atlas]

Roathe

[raven urchin]

Mara/JK

[pale cedar]

Thanks

[raven urchin]

@strange plinth cause he is a devil

[quiet grove]

what

ohhhhh

[raven urchin]

#justiceforMercury

[waxen crypt]

guys why is the voice actor for uriel's protoframe so familiar?

[raven urchin]

Ff14 apparently

[waxen crypt]

oooh okay, i thought it had more lore connotations

[eternal sand]

I'm upset for Saturn. Saturn is huge but doesn't have a unique tile set. Mercury is early game, sedna at least has rathuum. Saturn has NOTHING

[humble sierra]

Nope just Rebb

[eternal sand]

It's boring

[strange plinth]

saturn needs a unique tileset fr

[raven urchin]

It has the Hottest Warframe though

[eternal sand]

It doesn't have nidus- Ooooh, I get what you mean

[strange turtle]

Is it ember

[strange plinth]

it is ember

[pale cedar]

Ember is it

[raven urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/wanton-destruction-fire-ball-accelerant-fire-blast-fire-gif-14230909

[lilac aspen]

Telephone
“Give him a vibe of being her little brother.”
5 days later
“He is her little brother.”

[restive river]

Nekros???
Also Deimos has Lavos

[brazen seal]

did they mention which ability of new frame goes to helminth ?

[eternal sand]

It's true.
He's nezhas boyfriend

[ocean geyser]

LMAO?

[restive river]

No, probably the stink one tho

[ocean geyser]

interesting

[restive river]

Nokko’s got it all
A sister
A boyfriend
Funny lil marketable plushies
He’s got it all!

[pale cedar]

I don't think we ever find that out till release

[lilac aspen]

He can also turn into a marketable pl-

DE GAVE HIM THE ABILITY TO TURN INTO A MARKETABLE PLUSHIE

[eternal sand]

Don't forget an unlimited supply of hallucinogenics. Aka the true secret to happiness

[restive river]

Mushroom frame?
Nah
MARKETABLE PLUSHIE FRAME

[restive river]

Happiness and a one way road to addiction

Don’t do drugs
Specifically, shrooms

[lilac aspen]

Questionably thick marketable plushie transformation
Even DE mentioned it

[restive river]

It is funny that DE has been on a mushroom kick as of late
Nokko and Soulframe’s next update both god a lotta shrooms

The new dungeon in soulframe has a lot of shroomage

[lilac aspen]

DE got infected by the shroom

[eternal sand]

"Ordis has discovered the secret to happiness BZZZT smoking nitane and popping detonite"

[pale cedar]

Is Nokko the smallest frame?

[restive river]

Yup

Well
Titania still exists

[lilac aspen]

Now that we have two warframes in an idle
DE give me more duo idles and my soul is yours

[eternal sand]

He's somewhere around there with nezha and Lavos

[restive river]

Neither of those are small

The smallest frames are Nokko and Titania when transformed

[pale cedar]

Nezha is small?
I always thought Nezha was fairly tall

[restive river]

They mentioned maybe something for Gauss and Grendel? Since they’re buds

[eternal sand]

Gauss and Grendel paired idle with a fist bump and a friendly butt slap

[restive river]

Yeah friendly
Totally nothing more
They’re just friends
Roommates even

[lilac aspen]

We need to have 4 Titania and 3 Nokko standing next to each other to see size differences

[restive river]

He’s “petite” ig, not small

[pale cedar]

Mag is the frame I always thought was the smallest

[eternal sand]

Don't question the JUICY print on the shorts of proto grendel

[restive river]

I believe Titania would be smaller

But Nokko is the smallest grounded frame for sure

[restive river]

I won’t
I’ll let him and Gauss go about as they please