lore-discussion

[tall echo]

Learning languages gets harder with age, and I wish I learned that before I was 16. Now a few years later I am suffering

[spice wedge]

There are people with photography memory capabilities to remember everything from a book, which is incredible.

But they lack of practice stuff.

Everything has upside-down

[spice wedge]

How much tau will last as quest,once we start it.

[normal mountain]

I wish my memory was like that
Instead, I can recall random facts that interest me, but can never remember that I have to do my laundry
It gets infuriating sometimes

[humble sierra]

Old Peace is probably an hour long, considering we saw 20 minutes of gameplay at TennoCon alone, but when we go to Tau in 2026, I think it'll be much longer

[spice wedge]

oh dear that much.

• challenge accepted

[distant lagoon]

Don't forget we also get devil's triad right after old peace ends

And sounds like there will be plenty to do post-quest

[restive river]

I’m curious what the mission structure will look like with old peace, if there is any

Like
Since it’s the past, our memories what frames we have should be limited to that time, no?

I mean in theory we may have access to a more complete arsenal than what we have in game, but some weapons don’t exist yet, some frames don’t exist yet at the time of the old peace
Maybe cause it’s a weird memory thing it’ll be explained away somehow but I’m curious as to what it will be

[humble sierra]

I'm guessing for the quest we're locked to ExcalPrime, and maybe even just the Naramon focus school, but after that we have our full arsenal, and the lore explanation will be like how the Assassin's Creed games explain the microtransaction cosmetics (like the flaming armor and ghost horses) just being the memory simulations having mods

[restive river]

By the void, we’ve modded everything including our memories…

[cosmic badge]

Ah yes we have installed "primed trauma" into our memories

[misty salmon]

how much therapy is it going to cost to break that down for endo?

[normal mountain]

All of them

[fresh brook]

Do i have to do railjack mission to unlock the steel path?

[modern steppe]

No

[fresh brook]

where do I find ordis in the larunda/mercury relay?

[formal lion]

He is not always there, but when he is he will be in the nav room

[fresh brook]

ok thnx

[strange plinth]

ordis is only there during belly of the beast
which probably won't (???) get another rerun
but you can find him in the drifter camp, roughly straight forward from the ramp, near the root "balcony"
-# (also wrong chat?)

[sage comet]

quick question, did they change the description for the Temporal Dust or is it just me?

[strange plinth]

not tmk?
afaik its always been "dust of decayed universes" n such

[sage comet]

and not something about the strands of khra?

[strange plinth]

don't believe its ever referred to strands of khra, no

[sage comet]

ok

ty

[high bay]

Is there a canon explanation as to why we can curb stomp Vor in like 3-4 places? There’s the Mercury boss, then there’s Janus Vor in SP, then there’s Mot Corrupted Vor, then there’s Duviri Undercroft Corrupted Vor

[strange plinth]

he's also in the ceres fight
corrupted vor is immortal, according to himself
and that he keeps coming back
not sure about regular vor to janus vor

[tall echo]

regular refights are non canon, corrupted vor just shows up in the void bc he can't die

[high bay]

How bad of an idea is it to headcanon the warframes as being significantly different heights? Like am I cooked for wanting Hildryn to be like 6’9”?

[ashen pulsar]

If the original people used to make the frames were different heights, the frames were probably different heights

[high bay]

I know there’s the DE canon heights, but am I cooked for wanting my Hildryn to be 6’9”?

[ashen pulsar]

Wonder if there was ever a dwarframe

[high bay]

Vauban

Vauban is a short king

[ashen pulsar]

I actually think she’s around that tall or taller

[high bay]

So that means that this whole time I’ve been playing Hildryn, wishing she was 6’9”, she was built like a whole fortress the whole time? 🤤😩

[ashen pulsar]

Excal is 6 feet apparently

[high bay]

So you’re telling me that I’m taller than Excalibur by two inches? Suffering, agony even

[ashen pulsar]

Found this, here u go

Darvo is 6’4

Crazy

[high bay]

Is there an expanded sauce that includes Hildryn?

[ashen pulsar]

Idk

In-game model is probably around 6 feet tho

[gilded rose]

Im as tall of not taller than most of these warframes

[tall echo]

I don't get what's so attractive about muscle mountains no matter which gender

[violet storm]

I’m curious as to how tall Lavos is

[chrome rivet]

Can somebody explain to me how Stalker gets around?

At first when he appears in missions, its just him turning him off his invisibility skin after quietly following us all over the solar system

Then comes Jade Shadows, he can somehow magically teleport inside our ship that's literally in space at the time

[glacial bough]

He could always teleport in and out of places, that's how he would always appear wherever

[restive river]

He is also a frame so
Space ninja

[chrome rivet]

That's...freaking OP

[glacial bough]

Jade Shadows just adds him having a ship

[restive river]

He has his own ship so he has similar tech to us to some extent

[glacial bough]

Him getting into the Orbiter again is also pretty much a one time thing

[restive river]

It’s also not the first time he’s snuck in

[chrome rivet]

So what? His ship also turned on invisibility, slowly placed itself under our ship while in space

And then he teleport up into our ship?

[restive river]

Our ship has stealth tech, his likely does too

Heck he may have used the frame-shaped hole to get in like how we do

Like our ship is made for frames, he’s a frame

[glacial bough]

Not to get onto the orbiter

[restive river]

Doesn’t he come in through the landing craft portion?

For Jade shadows, not second dream

[glacial bough]

Yeah, but he can't really use it when our landing craft is still attached

[restive river]

Fair

If your base is set to the camp is that portion different?

Cause he could get in easier that way, I wanna say it forces it into the Orbiter base though

[glacial bough]

I think it defaults to Orbiters maybe

[restive river]

Either way he’s been able to get in since second dream

Could even be Hunhow assists him to some extent, like lowering defenses

[glacial bough]

Hunhow likely left a backdoor

[restive river]

Yeah probably

[glacial bough]

I can't imagine he could manage it again

[restive river]

Watch it happen again when the kid grows up enough and he needs more help

[brittle siren]

iirc Wally always have hood off, is there any reason for him to have this on? (the image is from twitter, this guy just done Chain of Harrow)

[humble sierra]

Bug, maybe?

[digital grail]

His operator is so ugly wally would not wear that face

[tranquil mica]

after it was available to sale...

few years ago ..

[digital grail]

That's a good chunk of credits

[tranquil mica]

it was, yes

cause i didn"t know how to delete them

[digital grail]

I dont think you could

Anyway selling them is better you get more credits

[tranquil mica]

few capturas from earth cannot be sale

and cannot delete

in rare box when appear

[idle oasis]

Why is the game forcing you to flirt with lettie? I dont want to engage with her in that way at all but the rest of her lore is locked behind this

the initial question was the only option as well

[tranquil mica]

well, seem best stuff for lettie will be

https://tenor.com/view/jordanblink-gif-2027343417310147672

she knows what she wants

but i've not studied more the spanish language

[idle oasis]

well thats good for her but like why is there no ignore option for this conversation like there is for so many others that actually have a meaning and choices

[humble sierra]

The second option isn't viewed as flirtation by her

Well, at least it doesn't directly lead into the flirtation parts

[idle oasis]

nice, thanks

[dusky bane]

I think you can reroll these convos by going into a mission mid decision

It happened to me with eleanor

Got a deal mid convo with her, finished the trade, went back and the convo changed

[proper barn]

That's only if you

Don't have all conversations on and you do a mission with them. @dusky bane

Anyway turn on all Conversations chat.

[spice spade]

why are there rando ppl in duiviri

[pale cedar]

Huh?

[violet storm]

The denizens?

[mossy zodiac]

always remember to bother your local nihil

i love him can we make him a fish?

[lilac aspen]

Fishil?!

[true ridge]

I mean, she is a bit flirty, but that's not going to get you directly into Romance with her (it will tell you when the option gets you into Romance). I was actually given the chance to Romance her, but I went with the other dialogue and continued pursuing Arthur. Once you have a Romance in progress you can only Romance the other person if you dump the first one.

...at least I think so? I've never dumped him but I assume this is how it works >_>

[normal mountain]

It is
If your dating one of the Hex, the others basically look at you sideways if you try to ask them out

Except Arthur
he'll go straight to murdering you

[true ridge]

see, I'm fine with not dating anybody else

even resetting and dating anybody else

I'm sure it's cliche to fall for the broody leader but whatever

I actually don't find anybody else remotely...romantic, in that sense.

[normal mountain]

It is a little cliche (brooding more than leader, afaik)
But if that's what appeals to you, go for it 🤷‍♂️

I went in with zero romantic intentions
And came out bonding with Eleanor over lore discussions

[true ridge]

Quincy makes me feel like I'd just be another notch in his bedpost, Amir is certainly a friend but I do not have the capacity to handle high energy from a partner, Eleanor doesn't seem to really need or want a romantic partner, Lettie is married to her job, and Aoi is too much of an idealist for me (which is obviously why ||her and Arthur didn't work out either||).

like I know it's a video game but if I'm gonna play the dating game I might as well go for someone who I would naturally end up with.

[true ridge]

She was my second choice, but like I said, it seemed like she needed a friend who she could confide in more to me.

[normal mountain]

I will tell you, the impression Eleanor gives is at least 50% facade
I can't tell if she would "need" a romantic partner, but she definitely does want one

There's just the significant concern of her Techrot infection

And whether she might go mad and kill everyone, including her partner

[true ridge]

Fair enough, lol.

[normal mountain]

Completely understand that, tbh
I went along a similar philosophy

[true ridge]

I feel like I'd be besties with Lettie and friends with Amir and Eleanor

but I wouldn't want to date any of them for the aforementioned reasons

Quincy is my least liked, but at least I understand him

funny enough it's not because of what I hear people dislike him for, which is his "make me hate you" deal

[normal mountain]

More or less, same
Although I suspect I might bond with Quincy over a prank or two

[true ridge]

I just find it off-putting that he ties care with material things

like, he doesn't seem to separate those things.

[normal mountain]

That got to me too, I admit

[true ridge]

I did toss a couple of Corpus comparisons at him during our chats

because he DOES come off that way, especially initially

[normal mountain]

Same
Kinda caught me off guard when he started appreciating Parvos Granum

[true ridge]

and while I understand that that is the way he has learned to care for people I feel it's bypassed his ability to comprehend that caring gestures can often be free

[normal mountain]

I mean, I do too, somewhat
But I have issues with an entirely greed based society

[true ridge]

and I think he did like Parvos because of his intrinsic tying of care for others with having material things to share with them

he assumed that if Parvos was wealthy, that he would share the wealth, to some degree. In a bit of projection on Quincy's part.

I also feel like this also plays into him being the mall's atomicycle, so to speak.

which is even more off-putting to my monogamous ass than him believing you can't show love without material components.

[normal mountain]

Amir started annoying me with his obsession with becoming a Cephalon
But other than that, as long as I don't snap at him too hard (thankfully, I couldn't actually react to that the way I would irl), I can see us being buddies

[true ridge]

but conversely, it also gives the impression that he believes he can't be in a loving relationship of any meaningful kind without giving things to others, which is sad.

[true ridge]

I think it has to do with him and his efforts to process the trauma he's been living with. Letting him down with the truth about Cephalons was the only reasonable path I thought to choose with him.

like "Buddy, pal, do you REALLY wanna know what they do to your brain?"

[normal mountain]

Oh no, I totally understood in the end
He believes he's broken, and wanted to fix those parts of himself

[true ridge]

and that is so heartbreaking

[normal mountain]

I might be tempted to do the same
But at the same time, I am very familiar with how mucking with the brain can lead to unwanted outcomes

[true ridge]

it's so sad that he didn't really get that everybody cares about him and liked him for him

he's the heart of the team!

[normal mountain]

Absolutely

[true ridge]

well, maybe Aoi is a bit more than him, but anyways...

which reminds me

[normal mountain]

Eh, they're the left and right ventricles

[true ridge]

it wasn't lost on me that the folks who canonically work well with each other are stationed close by each other.

Amir and Aoi are right across the hall, Eleanor and Lettie are inthe same place on different floors, Arthur...is by himself, but hilariously very close to the Backroom...

Although! Him and Quincy are across from each other

[normal mountain]

I mean, they do work well together
Despite their personality clashes

Watching them become genuine friends was one of my favorite unexpected moments in the Kim

[true ridge]

it was beautiful

||(I also got everybody to agree to not!DnD, which made me insanely happy)||

[normal mountain]

Same
It took me another try (and a little research on how to get Lettie)
But I got them all

[true ridge]

I nailed it first try, I was so proud of myself 😛

I actually have NOT reset the Hex

[normal mountain]

sadly, I missed the last conversation on that with Amir on the aftermath of the whole session

[true ridge]

did reset Round Table because...oh man I could write yet another essay on Minerva and Kaya, but yeah...

[normal mountain]

I haven't reset either
By second try, I meant the second set of conversations
Arthur was surprisingly easy to convince the second time around

[normal mountain]

...is now the time to brag about getting them the first try too?

[true ridge]

I've been accused by Reddit of being socially inept, but I had very few problems with The Hex on the first try.

[true ridge]

ofc it is 😛

[normal mountain]

[true ridge]

I mis-stepped early with Lettie over religion and I mentioned my missteps with Quincy being...Quincy about relationships, but overall I did amazingly well with everyone else

[violet storm]

I don’t know how many missteps I made

[normal mountain]

Minerva PISSED ME OF- ahem, upset me greatly at first, but I got to understanding where she was coming from

[violet storm]

But alls well that ends well

[true ridge]

She's why I had to reset

[violet storm]

The amount of times I worried over Flare and Min and Vel are many

[true ridge]

I find it hard to sympathize with somebody who constantly denigrates other people

there's a reason she's Saryn

[normal mountain]

I eventually realized I had to be impartial between the her and Velimir, and everything went smoothly from then on

Flare...
They kept me on my toes, ngl

[violet storm]

I was constantly worrying over flare because what if I said the wrong thing and he rejected the hell out of Lizzie

[true ridge]

I despised the dialogue tree essentially allowing her to punish Velimir for his own coping mechanisms

[true ridge]

Oh man, Flare was easy the first time but HARD the second time...

[violet storm]

I can’t decide what’s worse, this, or the flirting later

[normal mountain]

To be fair, I'm not sure she realized he was actually coping
It seemed to me she thought he was just making light of the situation for the sake of a joke

[true ridge]

like I've lost count of how many men I know who cope with either getting blackout drunk constantly or who make really stupid jokes/constantly self-depricate to cope with how much they hate themselves

so Vel had red flags popping up constantly for me

[violet storm]

I was happy to see the
Not so subtle flirting
That happened with Minerva and velimir because it basically was a sign that I did enough somethings right

[true ridge]

I was angry that the game basically forced you to reward Minerva's vitriolic behavior by giving her what she wanted but you had to turn around and let her hurt Velimir more and more

[normal mountain]

Vel kinda reminded me of myself
that, and I always appreciate a good dad joke
So I bonded with him easily

[violet storm]

And flare was rightfully worried and afraid that Lizzie was going to consume him. And I’m sure we’ve all seen his dialogue before things get better

[true ridge]

Vel seems like a sweet sweet man and I did not like letting her whallop him when it was obvious that he was in equal amounts of agony and self-hatred

[true ridge]

OTOH, is it really a healthy relationship when they're turning to a 20-something to help them fix their marriage?

[normal mountain]

Well, yeah
Anyone willing to barbecue Techrot has my support
not that I would ever actually eat the stuff

[true ridge]

he's a sweet lil wholesome redneck Libertatian

Mullet and all

[normal mountain]

Yeah
Believe it or not, Minerva has almost the same level of self-hatred
It's... honestly frightening

[true ridge]

which pains me to say I don't have a Frost so I can buy the Gemini...

[violet storm]

No. But I was willing to try and help them reconnect. It worked.

[true ridge]

yeah, but to get to that level of self-hatred is really the worst part of it and I hated it and it really felt disgusting prioritizing her suffering over his tbh

[normal mountain]

Like I said
I don't think she could see his suffering past her own
Not exactly, anyways

[true ridge]

...I think I get why I like Arthur....and why Velimir likes Arthur too tbh

[violet storm]

Kaya was an interesting one. My usual dialogue paths were, well, not well resounding with her.

[normal mountain]

She seemed to tell that something was up, but couldn't get past the constant jokes to find the pain they hid

Kaya... I kinda just let her do her own thing when talking with me

[true ridge]

ughhhhhhhh the second least desirable person to talk to besides Minerva

[cosmic badge]

I wasent all to excited to talk with Minerva since it was meh to me

[true ridge]

everything with her was 100000% "if you don't give me what I want I won't even talk to you" and frankly, if my friendship is just a take and not give to you, you can get lost.

[normal mountain]

She seemed focused on going to the future, so I did what I could to help her
And when she wanted to open up, I was receptive

[violet storm]

She’s
A. 19
B. Had her trust severely broken in the past and used to people not being the kindest or receptive of her.
Can’t say I blame her. But I did what I could and it went well

[true ridge]

I mean so did I, but like Minerva, getting there was like crawling over a lava pit and I was just about to stop talking to her when she finally opened up

[normal mountain]

Also, her minor fixation on Jinnymon reminded me of my own for Pokémon, so we had a near instant bond the moment that came up

[cosmic badge]

I do like how complex all of them felt when talking to them tho

[true ridge]

A. she's 19 and wants to be taken seriously while always being childish about things
B. And yet Drifter had no way to be involved with this and she still treats them like trash and that their relationship is one-way transactional

sorry, not sorry, do not remotely sympathize with Kaya trating me like a tissue she blew her nose on if I don't give her what she wants

[violet storm]

Yeah. you had to be smart about the dialogue paths you used, sometimes having to change the way you acted compared to the others

[true ridge]

yeah, same. but getting her to be even remotely open about even that tiny aspect was like pulling out all my teeth and fingernails.

[cosmic badge]

I think i mostly got all them first try Unironically

[violet storm]

Same. Took a bit, and it took stepping on eggshells, but I got there

[true ridge]

Also I would like to point out that you do try to be nice to her and she immediately ends convos with you, so again, Drifter had no idea what happened to her and it's very easy to figure out Drifter had nothing to do with it nor any knowledge of it happening, and yet she still treats you like trash and I just can't.

[normal mountain]

I guess
I'm kinda difficult to open up to other people too, so I'm used to the pointless chatter before the moment
Besides that, I genuinely wanted to see her time travel on her own, so I was fully in her court

[true ridge]

it's not "pointless chatter" with her though, it's like, if you don't immediately tell her you're ready to give her what she wants, like a goddamn toddler she disengages. Which is ironic from somebody who wants to be treated like an adult.

again, sorry you had what happened to you happen, but you're pointing barbs in the wrong direction

much like Minerva

[normal mountain]

Yeah, that's... part of being a teenager
You think you're ready for the adulting, but
You're not

Only amplified by her past, tbh

[true ridge]

I also find what she wants and what her trauma is to be...weirdly not related.

maybe it's just me on that point

[normal mountain]

They're related enough
She wants to go to a time where the picture no longer exists, and no one has seen it

[violet storm]

Yeah

[true ridge]

But you're in an apocalypse, and clearly people in Hollvania aren't treating her weird, so like...mission accomplished?

[normal mountain]

That's not exactly a guarantee though

[violet storm]

She wanted to be as far away from that as she could

And the future placed her very far from it

[true ridge]

but even in the far future, are you even certain it's not on an ancient archive?

[normal mountain]

The Orokin erased virtually all of "ancient Earth" history,
So, yes

[true ridge]

I guess that would make sense

if the Orokin literally deleted everything ever

but like, idk, I feel like some things survived, because Albrecht figured some stuff out about ancient times

[normal mountain]

Well, not everything everything
Albrecht knew enough to know what to expect when he traveled there
But the average layperson likely wouldn't know a thing

[true ridge]

fair

[violet storm]

He likely only figured out what he needed, Albrecht.

[true ridge]

but that also leaves a non-zero chance an ancient archive has that data in it

[violet storm]

Doubt any cephalon we know has been around long enough

[normal mountain]

True
But, why exactly would some ancient archive have an indecent picture on it?

[silk atlas]

More important, who cares at that point in time

[true ridge]

could have been a data scrub of like, a lot of photos

[true ridge]

Apparently Kaya does

[humble sierra]

IRL we store "lewd" historical paintings— but as mentioned, the Orokin actively deleted historical records

[true ridge]

the only thing Kaya seems to care about is whether or not where she is has that photo of her floating around

[normal mountain]

Right
Forgot about that 🙄

[humble sierra]

Well yeah, everyone she knew defined her by that image

[normal mountain]

would like to forget again, tbh

[silk atlas]

I mean who would care in Warframe's modern day to go and drudge up some nude about a complete nobody from thousands of years ago, which is why Kaya left.

[violet storm]

Anyways, anyone wanna shift topics to something else?

[normal mountain]

Robots

[true ridge]

Which is way I say, I can totally see there being an affluent Corpus oligarch with a whole set of datamined ancient fileset of somebody's "art" collection with the photo in it.

[violet storm]

Which ones?

[normal mountain]

Any of em, tbh

[violet storm]

Would sentients technically count?

[normal mountain]

I feel like channeling Amir rn

Sure

[true ridge]

MOAs

[humble sierra]

Took me a while to realize where Moa heads were

[true ridge]

I was calling them chickens for a while

I wasn't wrong

Moa is Hawaiian for Chicken

[normal mountain]

Like the AT-ST
It's a chicken

[violet storm]

Wait, how did the corpus know of a long extinct flightless bird if historical archives were sent to the technological void?

[humble sierra]

It's more so a reference to the Moa

[normal mountain]

Who says chickens are extinct?

[true ridge]

The Orokin seemed more into deleting archives of former empires than random archives on animals

[violet storm]

Fair

[true ridge]

oh I knew that, I was just saying, fun fact, it also means this

[violet storm]

And it would also happen many cephalons were troves of knowledge

[true ridge]

I mean, if you think about it, talking about all the species that went extinct isn't nearly as much of a problem for your subjects to learn than it is for them to learn about, say, the French Revolution.

[violet storm]

Or the American revolution. Or the Spanish Revolution. Or any revolution

[true ridge]

BINGO

[violet storm]

Yeah

[normal mountain]

might have been beneficial to the Orokin if they had learned about that particular event, ngl

[violet storm]

Because guess what happened? They got revolted against and slaughtered

[normal mountain]

The Orokin specifically, not their subjects

[normal mountain]

Exactly!

[true ridge]

those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, as the saying goes

[humble sierra]

Some Warframes are also named after IRL deities/characters like Wukong, Nezha, Caliban, Titania, Atlas, Grendel, Dante, Loki, Oberon, Excalibur

[violet storm]

And they failed horribly

[normal mountain]

Yes
In empires
And in history class

[true ridge]

And those are mostly heroic figures from history and/or myth/literature

[humble sierra]

But there's no indication that those characters existed in Warframe's history

[violet storm]

I’m pretty Titania and Oberon are named after Shakespearean characters and Dante from Dante’s Inferno

[humble sierra]

Ye that's why I mentioned deities/characters

[normal mountain]

Titania is
Oberon existed beforehand

[violet storm]

Oh

[normal mountain]

fun fact

[humble sierra]

So far the only IRL historical figure who is also in Warframe is Alexander the Great

[true ridge]

We can assume that the Warframe universe had those myths existing within it, given that 1999 itself isn't too far removed from reality in our own version of 1999

[violet storm]

Gordon Freeman

[true ridge]

we are given more proof that they exist through Lettie and her faith in Aztec gods

[normal mountain]

Supported by the existence of the gender-swapped Robin Hood, Little Loxely

[humble sierra]

Does she name any actual Aztec gods?

[normal mountain]

No, wait, that was Young Loxely
My bad

[humble sierra]

She does mention that ancient verse that the Sentients say

[violet storm]

Styanax took inspiration from the Spartans it seems. Or the Warframe equivalent

[humble sierra]

Btw the source for this is also Lettie

[true ridge]

Xipe Totec is a god of rebirth. (Sorry for the long response time, I had to look up the correct spelling as it wasn't on the tip of my fingers at that moment)

[humble sierra]

She compares Arthur to "swishing around like Alexander the Great"

[humble sierra]

Ty, didn't know

[normal mountain]

Lettie also mentions Xibalba, iirc

[violet storm]

I think Lettie uses La Phantasma to refer to death in general

[true ridge]

She also accurtely describes Xipe Totec by one of his monikers (The Flayed One)

[violet storm]

I forgot about her saying that

[true ridge]

So it's not crazy to assume that other pantheons exist as we know them

[true ridge]

I remembered it vividly because I had a brief fixation on Aztec and Mayan culture as a child

that's how I figured out she was straight Legally-Distinct-Mexican ngl

[violet storm]

Been a minute since I’ve interacted with the hex because of my refusal to reset for some reason

[true ridge]

that's what I loved about the update

more Hex dialogue

[normal mountain]

Same

[true ridge]

even if it was dumb dialogue it was dialogue

if I pay a certain amount of Plat, can we convince DE to get somebody up there to be a dedicated dialogue writer for everybody?

[normal mountain]

Idk
The image of Aoi going off and building her own version of a Necramech has my attention

[violet storm]

And Amir running a Fables&Frontiers thing

[true ridge]

OMG I need her to, at some point, provides homemade kit for our machinery

[normal mountain]

More of a pipedream is that resulting in an actual Necramech down the line, but I'm realistically hopeful

[violet storm]

We need to see more pilotable necramechs

[true ridge]

and I would like to clarify, don't just give me guns. That's Eleanor's job. Gimme Nechramechs. Atomicycles. Archwings. EVEN A NEW ARCHGUN WOULD BE FINE.

I know I said 'no new gun' and then said 'gimme an archgun', but I do not consider the regular gun kits and an archgun kit on the same level of 'gun'. >_>

let her sell Nechamech mods and skins

[violet storm]

I honestly want to see more modular gear

[true ridge]

we have eleventy billion regular guns, let's work with fun gadgets

[violet storm]

But… Kitguns

[true ridge]

Kitguns get a pass

[normal mountain]

I would like more Archwings too
Although I'm in the minority that doesn't want them modular

[true ridge]

you have to actually build those guns, I'll let them slide

on that matter, Zaws as well. Any weapon you custom build is fine.

MODULAR ARCHGUN

[normal mountain]

Ehh...
I can see the appeal, but I'm good without tbh

[true ridge]

I love Archguns

[normal mountain]

Same

[true ridge]

SO MUCH

I hate how neglected they are

[normal mountain]

Kinda wish Archmelee got the same treatment

[true ridge]

like I don't even like Archwings, just gimme the BFG

[true ridge]

I would like it if you could use Archmelee with heavy modifications like you can Archguns

[normal mountain]

DE is willing, but it has to make sense narratively for an Archmelee Deployer

[true ridge]

Archguns don't have a good reason narratively, do they?

[humble sierra]

Kat Kingsley is insanely good for someone doing it mostly herself— and of course, she's getting help from the Voice Actors too!

[true ridge]

I think giving you the option to either run around with a big honking gun or a big honking melee weapon for a set amount of ammo/time is fine

[humble sierra]

The issue with Archmelee is that it seems most of the animations take advantage that you're using them in space/underwater. you flip around and make big swings and whatnot.

[true ridge]

like getting a five minute timer to drop the Knux onto the field to cosplay Saitama seems just as legit as calling down your Larkspur to cosplay a Ghostbuster.

[true ridge]

bless Kat for Arthur's Backroom lines

I will pay Kat directly for more of Arthur talking about his dreams of post-war domestic life.

I do like that he does still have those sorts of dreams, despite everything.

and I know it's a really far-reaching stretch, but it reminds me of the Warrior's Rest mod, in that only Arthur seems to have a vision of eventually settling down someday.

and I know that's an Umbra mod and not Excal exclusively, but I find it interesting that it's like that within The Hex.

like Amir craves peace but he doesn't seem to have a vision of it

but Arthur does have that idea of what it would look like for him.

[tall echo]

You get the deployer to use them against profit taker

[tall echo]

Just give them new animations

[oblique siren]

Is there an easy to read document that contains all the Holdfasts Lore you receive upon each Standing Rank up with them?

ONE OF TAGFER'S IDLE VOICELINES IS A MATING CALL???
Just rip my heart out why don't you? 😭

[hexed oxide]

type of deal

[humble sierra]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/The_Holdfasts/Quotes

[oblique siren]

Thank you!!!

[knotty birch]

I know the religious undertones are pretty spelled out in Jade Shadows, but I was at a funeral over the weekend and one of the hymns that was played (I'm not knowledgeable of specific hymns so I couldn't say which) had an organ part that had striking similarities to Angels Requiem and I found that kinda interesting

[chrome rivet]

This is probably a common question here, but is there a reason why the Tenno haven't wiped out the Corpus and Grineer?

Like one squad of Tenno is enough to exterminate hundreds in a single battleship

[strange plinth]

we keep the balance
eliminating an entire side upsets the balance and leaves a vacuum for (potentially) worse things to happen

[solemn plover]

So I wonder why is Jade still pregnant didn't she gave birth in her quest? Would actually be interesting if her child becomes the next frame and that Jade and that one will have some synergy in some ways

[strange plinth]

the frame that can be replicated does not have the child, just the physical form of jade

[solemn plover]

Oh fair

[restive river]

It should have the child, the difference with our copy is the lack of sapience and the fact she’s up and about so she can never have the baby

Since it took like
Over a thousand years of laying perfectly still to have the baby

[strange plinth]

oh? i thought the jade in the quest had a more obvious baby there, but ours just has an orb
might be misremembering though
though that can still be explained by Jade having sat there for a thousand years+

[restive river]

Nope, same orb

[ocean geyser]

Ballas moment

[oblique siren]

For every Nef Anyo, Alad V, and the Worm Queens, there are possibly many Vesos, Darvos, Kahls, and others like them; people who just people, and could be encouraged to part from the worst parts of their societies. Obviously there's a little gameplay and story segregation here, since the endless amounts of enemies we face can

'ACK enter key---

The endless amounts of enemies we face can't really decide for themselves to be better people, but I like to think most Tenno would rather not kill every possible good/has good potential individual to wipe out an entire faction.

Plus, yeah, completely wiping out two powerful factions with nothing set up to fill the power vaccuum would be m e s s y

[rose estuary]

I mean the Tenno could possibly fill the power vacuum but at the same time we also massacred an entire civilization canonically… (the orokin)

[pale cedar]

We couldn’t

There isn’t enough Tenno

[harsh perch]

||Is it possible the man in the wall is kinda like Albrecht 's Duviri is we explain it as a reaction to trauma? I mean, children are known to split personality wise, and/or make a place for themselves to feel safe while Albrecht, a grown man, top of his field, exposed himself to a plane of existence that both reformed everything about existence and broke many established rules, especially in the sense that it can react erratically to emotion?||
Spoilered cause end of story stuff, idk if I need to

[restive river]

Wally def had some reaction to Albrecht’s emotional state when he fell in but we don’t know what trauma he went through beyond what he told us

Like him falling through the bell and into the void is scary but by itself is that traumatizing?
His experience with Wally was more traumatizing

[lean garden]

If the terminology youre seeking is "Is Wally Albrecht's conceptual embodiment" then the answer is... "Maybe?"

[harsh perch]

I was moreso talking about the mental reaction to a plane of existence similar to what could be seen in cosmic horror

And to the conceptual embodiment, yes I think so? I was just thinking about it cause it could also theoretically be possible the animals contributed to or were affected by it directly

[restive river]

The animals came much later

Albrecht also described the whole event for us, the traumatizing factor was more so Wally appearing less so his actual time in the void

Like he fell in, which was scary sure
But then he thinks he’s just back in his lab

[lean garden]

The animals sadly didnt seem to work according to albrecht

[restive river]

The whole dumb it down idea didn’t work too well

[woven coyote]

He went in expecting to find nothing, while hoping to find something in order to earn recognition
Not exactly cosmic horror imo

Cosmic horror comes in after the bell breaks and he notices wally

[terse star]

Quick question, is there any in-game lore about Cephalon Samodeus? (Aside from the creation of rivens.)

[normal mountain]

No

Part of me hopes he's in The Teacher, but I suspect that's a pipe dream

[restive river]

It’d be cool but the focus will likely be Teshin instead

At most maybe they will be brought up

[normal mountain]

Maybe
At least something would be nice

[silk atlas]

Having Samodeus would be crazy

[stiff beacon]

there is the fact their name is just asmodeus with the "a" and "s" swapped aroumd

so they could maybe be in the devils triade side story

thought thats copium mixed with grasping at straws

[normal mountain]

Copium through straws?
Never tried that before

/s

[ashen pulsar]

wait how do you do ur copium then

[normal mountain]

I don't do copium

I have these effervescent tablets that give me nice fizzy water
They produce copon dioxide

[wispy swift]

Wally has, historically, only used the forms of people he's made deals with, yeah? It makes me think Loid made a deal with him too

[silk atlas]

Incorrect, because he's appeared as people even before he's made deals with them

And Albrecht didn't even make a deal

[strange plinth]

appears as the operator to them before the deal, and to baro as baro before that one
seems like he takes the form of whoever

don't remember if rusalka implies its her own form offering the deal. can only remember "held out my own severed hand to me"

[rich badge]

For rusalka she states in isleweaver that the techrot held out her hand to her

[lean garden]

that was wally not the techrot lol

[rich badge]

Which is the point, Wally can appear as things even if he hasn't made deals with then

[strange plinth]

the full quote is "I was dying all along, did you know that? Dying from the poison I sucked down to kill the Techrot in my lungs. Until it held out my own severed hand to me… and offered me life."
i doubt she'd accept a deal from the "techrot" when its one of the things actively trying to kill her and her city

[tall echo]

I think "it" is referring to wally there

[placid kayak]

WHO IS WALLY?!

[lean garden]

The Man in the Wall(y)

[placid kayak]

I still don't know who that is

[lean garden]

er, how far are you into the story?

[placid kayak]

I'm after the hex

But WHO IS THE WALL MAN

[pale cedar]

He’s the person in Hex who interrogated Ballas

The person you see at end of New War as a Man in a Wall

[lean garden]

remember how rusalka turned into loid?

[placid kayak]

Who is rusalka

I have bad memory

[lean garden]

you know the lady with the big smoking pipe and the bahonkas

[placid kayak]

Oh you mean rpg victim

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-warframe-man-in-the-wall-khra-oull-gif-17887468980133872559

[placid kayak]

Yeah

[placid kayak]

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT THING

KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE

[lean garden]

yes her, she's been possessed by Wally the whole time

[lean garden]

live Albrecht reaction

[lean garden]

the fun thing is this gif is out dated lol

[humble sierra]

Yeah I didn't watch it before I sent it

[pale cedar]

Updated Wally gif when?

[humble sierra]

Would've gotten one that doesn't obscure him

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

[pale cedar]

I remember how everyone was trying to figure out what he said

[ashen pulsar]

interesting, I'll have to try

[ashen pulsar]

did you close your eyes in this cutscene? how is this new

you played the new war

[stiff beacon]

Looks like it scared em so bad he blocked it from his memory

[raw stone]

The guy didn't pay attention in theories to presentism

You think the fifth fortuna frame fungi nah... it's gotta be Myco-something. Anyway, them. You think they're gonna have anything relevant to fortuna or just like.

Garuda mark 2, the loreless

[sly ibex]

I just want some Loki lore. q_q

And a Proto. XD

[digital grail]

We still have x amount of years left for warframe im sure he'll get lore and maybe a proto if hes good

[hollow wagon]

What's the biological purpose of the infested guns?

Why make themselves into guns and weapons

[quiet ruin]

Its fun

[vast willow]

Those of some bowls

Some bowls indeed

[silk atlas]

A really weird way to spread and collect mass

That being said I doubt the guns themselves would be taking over ships else they wouldn't even be an option to use

[lilac aspen]

It’s less of making the guns and more like them latching onto weapons and consequently transforming it.

We just exploit that to have funny weapons

[silk atlas]

There's some that are just living creatures though

Like Tysis or Hema

[lean garden]

Coda too

[low jungle]

On the new quest coming out the old peace. We fight alongside orokin right? Against who tho? Or will the quest show it itself who our enemy is. Cause it cant be sentients. Theyre on our side. Thats why caliban prime is very important.

[silk atlas]

They mentioned that it's defectors to the peace

[strange plinth]

separatists (also probably backed by an orokin)
seems like they don't accept the peace

[strange turtle]

We fight for the Orokin, alongside their loyal Dax and Grineer forces, against Separatist Dax and Grineer, who as the others said, are defectors most likely directed by an or multiple Orokin who aren’t happy with the peace (potentially the Orokin as a whole, they’re prideful and slimy enough to do something like that), since the Dax can’t disobey Orokin and the Grineer are slaves

It’s also possible that we’ll fight against Sentients at a point, since it presumably takes place toward the end of the truce, though so far we only know about the one shown in the Orokin egg thing

[vast willow]

Plot twist: Corpus

I mean, it's possible. However, I don't know the exact time Parvos' billion-dollar Mr. Beast Corpus cruiser went overdrive and the Corpus became evil.

[misty salmon]

I'm not sure "went evil" was exactly what happened there. Parvos wasn't ever really a good guy.

[strange plinth]

i don't think the corpus would be in Tau at all, really
they worked with the orokin to make the sentients but that's their only tie to.. any of this

[misty salmon]

They'd be good middlemen for plausible deniability if the Orokin were concerned about such a thing. "The Seven don't support these rebels and it's entirely inexplicable how they are getting top line military hardware through these capitalist arms dealers."

[vagrant tartan]

Question for my fellow lore nerds:

What we thinking about the new fungi warframe? Possible creation of the corpus to terraform Vallis or something else?

[strange plinth]

there's been some hope that he has ties to garuda
so she can finally get some lore lmao

[vagrant tartan]

Oh god, PLEASE let this happen

I need to know more about my Blood Witch mommy

[stiff beacon]

Man that'd be wild, actual lore for Garuda after being ignored for nearly 7 years

[strange plinth]

the future is soon, hopefully

[scenic depot]

so shouldnt this plague star event be important

bc the song in the koumei mission was basically just "cetus is screwed"

[strange plinth]

plague star's been doing this for a while, though
koumei's stuff was about dormant infested emerging from the ocean

[normal mountain]

Horrid thought (for Cetus, anyway)
What if that dormant Infested awakened at the same time as a Plague Star event?
Cetus would have a war on 2 fronts, basically

[spice wedge]

It will be a fun warframe, I hope it doesn't start to talk.

[proper barn]

He was evil before then.

[vagrant tartan]

I mean... most Frames don't talk anyway, so why would a mushroom start talking?

And don't say "acid trip" please

[normal mountain]

Nah, it won't talk
It'll make squeaking noises that vaguely sound like words

[spice wedge]

[strange turtle]

I never really checked the Sister dialogue for Parvos but damn 😭

He doesn’t even try to hide the bastardry

[humble sierra]

Any lore reason for why the Plague Star toxin is called Thrax toxin?

[tall echo]

Coincidental similar name

[woven coyote]

remember that duviri is first and foremost a children's book

meaning a lot of names and words from it could be "irl" inspirations like to the warframe universe

[humble sierra]

Side question, are Zariman/Circulus Thrax directly from Duviri? Or are they some other sort of manifestation? Why named after Dominus Thrax, are they his elite members or something? If they're from Duviri, how exactly do they end up on Lua? Zariman makes sense since it's connected to Duviri.

[woven coyote]

hmmm didn't word that well

what i am saying is that euleria could have used names and ideas from her reality as any writer would

[humble sierra]

Maybe "Thrax" is some sort of Elite Dax rather than an actual name? So "Dominus Thrax" could just be like "King General?"

Or if you're right about the "irl" explanation thingy, maybe it's more like "King Hercules" or something

[woven coyote]

seems to be yet another children's tale

from styanax leverian btw

[humble sierra]

Sounds like a Thrax might be something snake-like? Could tie into the Orowyrm imagery?

Either way it's a very dangerous creature

Great find!

[woven coyote]

that and the thrax toxin used by vay hek certainly points to some poison related monster

[humble sierra]

I feel like it's very in-line for an author to name a character something like "King Basilisk"

And naming the elite guard after the same animals as the king makes sense too

[misty salmon]

Or they invented a mythological monster around half documented archival remnants of creatures that had once been on earth, and it turns out to have been something silly, like a platypus.

[digital grail]

A platypus?

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/perry-the-platypus-phineas-and-ferb-gif-24637865

[digital grail]

PERRY THE PLATYPUS!??!?!

[restive river]

Kerry the Kubrow when

[sudden atlas]

what if there were machines or even warframes that cephalons could connect to and operate? probably not warframes but we know ordis controls mechanisms on the ship and even a sentry at a later point- and other cephalons are shown doing similar. maybe cephalon simaris could get something like that and go do the synthesis scans himself

[normal mountain]

Hmmm
Researcher-themed Necramech when?

[digital grail]

Hmmm new necramech when?

[normal mountain]

I wish I knew

New Necramech would have me very excited

[pale cedar]

We haven’t got new mechs because players didn’t like them enough

[normal mountain]

I know

[pale cedar]

That’s how most things work in Warframe tbh

Players secretly run the game

[normal mountain]

Players can be boring sometimes though
Looking for the fastest way to play the game

I don't get it, personally
I play games to have a good time, not make a good time

[digital grail]

Well we need to start liking the things that need updates and new additions

COUGH

Archwing

COUGH

Railjack

[pale cedar]

Players are the reason we didn’t get more Umbra frames too

[normal mountain]

Don't remind me
Please

I'd rather keep thinking that Umbra was always intended to be a one-off thing

Otherwise, I might go join Narmer
At least the Veil will give me my desired content

[pale cedar]

Can never tell if Modular Archwing got lost in the pipeline or player popularity meter killed it

[normal mountain]

I think that one died because of programming issues
Like Oraxia's wall crawling
I could be wrong though

Oddly, that's the one thing I'm okay with not having
I'm not a huge fan of modular stuff

Unless I can take the stuff apart and rebuild it differently

[pale cedar]

I wanna see Modular Atomicycle

Like it was advertised technically

[normal mountain]

So, sorta like how K-Drives are built

I can see that
Exalted Atomicycle could be fun

But I like silly stuff like that

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[digital grail]

I want modular stuff anything to update unloved content

[normal mountain]

My absolute dream would be a warframe with an Exalted Necramech mode

[digital grail]

Mining warframe with exalted drill mech

[normal mountain]

Drill mech...
That's a version I haven't heard before

Perhaps someday I should actually get around to doing a concept for this thing

[digital grail]

Because we have two mostly combat ones on based more around mining would make the most sense

Especially with deimos ores and caves

[unkempt swan]

Is the stalker a warframe ?

[digital grail]

Yes

Hes kinda like ||umbra||

[unkempt swan]

Does it have an operator ?

[digital grail]

No

[normal mountain]

No Operator
He runs around on his own

[unkempt swan]

So Ballas created it ?

[digital grail]

Maybe

We dunno

[normal mountain]

Stalker is absolutely Ballas' fault

[digital grail]

Yeah sounds about right

[glacial bough]

Unless specified otherwise, all Warframes are Ballas creations

[vast willow]

Who's Ballas?

The only Orokin that kidnapped my spacemom and stabbed me was Ball-Ass

[pale cedar]

Stalker is implied to be made by Ballas as punishment for having a child

[vast willow]

Same for Jade

Stalker gave her C Section at the end of Jade Shadows

idk how that worked but uhh...

It just did

[pale cedar]

We did Transference is how

[normal mountain]

that was us, technically...

[vast willow]

So...

My MALE OPERATOR GAVE BIRTH TO A BABY

[opaque zenith]

So, from the start, on 1999 the techr-

[vast willow]

AND KILLED A WARFRAME

[normal mountain]

Mine too

[glacial bough]

We just helped Jade finish the process. She was dying regardless

[pale cedar]

You didn't give birth you just made the baby come out

[vast willow]

Isn't that... the same?

[pale cedar]

Not exactly

[normal mountain]

We probably felt it through Transference though
Which is... a concept to think about

[pale cedar]

Transference is never being inside of the frame

[vast willow]

Yeah, but you get its feelings

It's not like you run around but you still are in the chair, feeling the chair

You feel your Warframe's footsteps

[pale cedar]

You feel what she feels but that's literally what Empathy is

[glacial bough]

Transference allows for physical sensation, but with how nonstandard Jade was, we don't know what it might have actually felt like

[pale cedar]

There's no irl example outside of the people who help others give birth

[vast willow]

Wait, so...

Stalker tried to save his wife, which he did not know of

When he failed our operator pushed the f*cking baby out using transference

Jade died

[glacial bough]

Our operator helped Jade finish the process, yes. It was what was gonna happen regardless, we just made it smoother

[vast willow]

...interesting

[glacial bough]

There was no saving Jade

[vast willow]

Welp I'm looking to see Protector Stalker jumping at me with his Hate with a baby cradled in his arms like Peter Parker and Mayday

[pale cedar]

He doesn't bring the child on actual missions

[normal mountain]

He does bring the baby when you give Vestigial Motes to Ordis
It's kinda touching

[digital grail]

Does that mean we're technically a mom

[vast willow]

Yes

[vagrant tartan]

I want to see another chapter on the "Stalkers' Guide to new dads"

[vast willow]

Stalker is not prepared to raise Teenage Sirius

Do Warframes even get puberty

[vagrant tartan]

Imagine a few years from now, we get a full grown Orion/Sirius, helping Old Daddy Stalker stop a New sentient villain

[vast willow]

Maybe there's a quest where Stalker needs to accept the fact that Orion/Sirius is ready for combat

[vagrant tartan]

I mean....Gauss is basically a teenager on steroids and memes sooooooo

[vast willow]

Gauss is a man that never grew up

https://tenor.com/view/gauss-warframe-prime-speed-run-gif-5262691005362441267

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-gauss-prime-warframe-gauss-prime-gif-7179145842788928326

[pale cedar]

Not actually being able to do that is outrageous

[digital grail]

God of warframe

[strange turtle]

Give us the augment DE

we have the technology

[lilac aspen]

Gauss hitting a surface causes that effect
So technically in the trailer
Gauss “hit a surface” (booped a nose)

[proper barn]

I mean i would say operators and drifters aren't male or female but you know.

[restive river]

I mean biologically they’re born as one or the other (or a secret third option) but in terms of identity it’s up to the player

if we take the full ability to customize as canon then our “bits” are truly whatever we want them to be

[proper barn]

I was more poking people cuz the drifter is like "it's different for us" when talking to quincy.

[restive river]

That’s gender

[proper barn]

yeah i know but most people put them together.

[restive river]

And they’re wrong to do so

[proper barn]

correct.

[cosmic badge]

The tennos gender is whatever fits the bit

[restive river]

The bit being whatever we the player decide

Want your drifter to be masculine but operator feminine? Go for it

[oblique siren]

Re: Helping Jade have the baby, the rhythm game is absolutely our Operator going through the pains of labour asdfghkl

[restive river]

It’s more so like us helping her breathe and get through it

I can’t find it but I saw a video near when the quest came out from a medical professional that talked about the birth minigame

And how that minigame is the contractions during birth

[topaz vector]

the indifference commands both murmur and void angels? Just something I've been thinking for a couple of days now

[humble sierra]

Murmur are definitely The Indifference, they're pieces of it, or perhaps pieces of other timelines. Void Angels are fueled or created by it somehow

[restive river]

The void angels fed off his finger so they serve him

It’s also possible the holdfasts were made by him but it’s unknown what CE’d the ghost crew

I’ve had a theory for a while he’s been making an army, both made of himself and those who follow him
But we have yet to really see him command any void angels, heck it’s possible they’re too rabid to be controlled properly

[brittle siren]

What exactly is the Thrax enemies?

Centurion is from Duviri but where did Legatus came from?

[restive river]

Also Duviri?

We may not see them there specifically but they are called Thrax for a reason

[brittle siren]

Duviri don't have guns though and none of the Legatus appear there

[restive river]

Sirocco:

Regardless they are called Thrax for a reason

I believe one of the consensuses of the Legatus and Centurion’s origins are that of the Drifter’s memories and Thrax taking them as play things

Cause they are visually Orokin Era Grineer

[brittle siren]

it also strange that no other Dax guard use gun beside that guy that died due to the Lotus hand

[brittle siren]

I see

[restive river]

Wasn’t that Lodun?

But yeah it is weird the Sirocco is the only gun in Duviri

Minus like
Kullervo’s gun ig

[brittle siren]

wiki said it from the Dax body

let me check the cutscene

[restive river]

It doesn’t really matter tbh

It’s just odd the gun existed at all

[violet storm]

What’s funny is Kullervo doesn’t even use the Rauta during his fight

[restive river]

I believe in the first demo the Drifter used the Lotus hand beam instead but they realized they gave Drifter the Sirocco in the New War and had to give it to her somehow

[restive river]

It also doesn’t count anyway cause it’s not from Duviri

[brittle siren]

and somehow Lotus hand know where to find a gun

[restive river]

I mean somehow she knows where to go throughout all of Duviri

Gameplay > lore
I guess

She’s guiding the Drifter akin to how she guided the tenno is the point

Also gives Drifter more of a reason to save her, she saved them

Alongside Teshin and Operator ofc

[brittle siren]

It could argue that Lotus did read the Duviri book or have Margulis memory about it, but that not really a good argument

[restive river]

It’s kinda just a waypoint system

[violet storm]

My question is: why does Kullervo look the way he does. But I doubt that’s really explained

[lilac aspen]

Clearly just peak Sentient technology: built in GPS

[restive river]

Also it’s just her hand so we don’t know how much info it has beyond knowledge of the Tenno

[brittle siren]

and hack ppl minds too

[restive river]

Bro fell into Duviri which is in the void
You’d look messed up too

Heck Teshin fell in too and he got messed up

[violet storm]

Fair. Also love how we literally can’t escape Ballas even in Duviri(it’s so uncanny Hearing Ballas)

[lilac aspen]

“This vøǐd stuff doesn’t have much ki-“

Kullervo when the void kicks:

[restive river]

Oh that’s just Kullervo’s crush/guilt taking form

[brittle siren]

this is funnier in my head

[restive river]

Got kicked so hard he got the Thrax handles

[strange plinth]

random ballas subtitle whenever i'm playing komi:

[violet storm]

Also, love the detail that Kullervo is calm around kids

[brittle siren]

strange that boss version he has the alt helmet but the base head is Thrax shape

[restive river]

Both are void damaged too

[violet storm]

Yeah, why does Duviri Kullervo has the Usvah instead of his base?

[brittle siren]

I mean he could be a kid too

[restive river]

He’s not

He got kicked out around the time the tenno were introduced iirc

[brittle siren]

I mean the person who become Kullervo, not Tenno

[restive river]

I believe it’s unclear if it’s their initial arrival or when the tenno would go on to pilot the frames
Either way Kullervo is tennoless

[lilac aspen]

“No Tenno?”

[brittle siren]

we dont really know how old is Kullervo when he became a frame

[restive river]

I doubt that, mostly cause nothing hints it nor does his body reflect that

[violet storm]

Also, how did Oraxia come to be

[brittle siren]

at least he "love" his mom

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht

[restive river]

Also like
Frames don’t age, minus maybe Stalker’s kid

[restive river]

There’s no info on her creation

[restive river]

No, he just brought her to Duviri
Nothing says he made her

[brittle siren]

Imagine Albrecht let a infested spider bit someone then that person become Oraxia

[lilac aspen]

O
Well
Albrecht caused her to be a problem though because he decided to leave her there

[restive river]

With the timeline of events I don’t think he was even looking into making frames yet

[brittle siren]

he left everyone behind

[restive river]

Yeah he does do that a lot

[brittle siren]

family, lover, "pet"

[restive river]

Heck he left Kalymos with us

[violet storm]

His Daughter, Lover, Pet, even us

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht left his pet spider in the void
Left his love
His cat
His daughter
Us

He even technically left Wally

[brittle siren]

dont forget he left his old blue skin behind too

[restive river]

He leaves most people with purpose, like he left to save Loid
He left Kalymos so she could help us
He left his family so they wouldn’t know the horrors he spawned

[violet storm]

And can’t forget the whole of Höllvania

[restive river]

He left Wally in fear

[brittle siren]

wait what can Kalymos do btw

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht didn’t leave his drip behind though

[restive river]

And the Orokin Empire and the Origin System…

[restive river]

She’s intelligent and has guided us

[brittle siren]

I mean her power

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht
Give us your drip dangit

[brittle siren]

since she def have void power

[restive river]

She doesn’t have known powers?

[violet storm]

She can go invisible, move at a rapid speed as a sphere of energy, normal Kavat stuff

[restive river]

She’s smart and has some tricks but nothing suggests she has void powers

[brittle siren]

able to sense us from future too

[restive river]

What

I mean she sensed the Drifter’s presence to help establish the connection

She clearly exhibits intelligence

[lilac aspen]

Kalymos simply has that Prime companion mods

[brittle siren]

smort car

[violet storm]

Yeah, and lead us to the backrooms

[restive river]

But she is, mostly, a normal Kavat
Just a very very smart one

[brittle siren]

how smart is she compare to Khora kavat?

[restive river]

Heck we still don’t know if she’s like the Cavia or not

[lilac aspen]

NPC AI Prime

[restive river]

I’d say Kalymos is smarter

[violet storm]

She only has one tail, most Kavats have multiple.

[brittle siren]

oh she can smell the legacyte too

that neat

[restive river]

Kavats do just eat infestation

Tbh it was smart to bring her to 1999 cause she could protect him

[lilac aspen]

Who would win
A virus that transcends flesh, machine, and even time
Or
One hungry cat

[restive river]

ONE HUNGRY CAR!!!

[violet storm]

My question is, how do Kavats turn invisible?

[brittle siren]

I wont surprised if she is the reason why Albrecht can teleport around

[restive river]

Orokin bio-engineering

[restive river]

Well he left her behind and teleported away so idk bout that

[lilac aspen]

They simply just stand so still they become invisible

[restive river]

She is however the closest one to him

[violet storm]

Tracks honestly considering Drahk are war hounds

[restive river]

I really hope Kalymos comes up more in the void arc

[violet storm]

And what not

I want to pet the Kar

[lilac aspen]

Kalymos gets a mecha when to help us

[restive river]

Albrecht has like
3 variations of love
Romantic
Familial
And the bond between a human and their animal

He’s got the arsenal but he rather us do the fighting smh

[lilac aspen]

He is an Orokin

[restive river]

(The arsenal being love)

[restive river]

True
And that’s why we will have those types of love instead to fight Wally

[lilac aspen]

Sure he’s like
The nicest Orokin but when you consider average Orokin behavior

[brittle siren]

the Daughter is the nicest

[restive river]

Drifter has romantic (and familial kinda)
Operator has familial (and ig friendship too)
And both can have companions

[restive river]

He is NOT the nicest lol

Albrecht is a terrible person

[lilac aspen]

The Daughter made fun of Kahl at first

[restive river]

He justifies the worst actions cause it’s all to go against a greater evil

[lilac aspen]

Nice is the wrong term

[restive river]

At first yes, she was racist
But she grew

Albrecht hasn’t grown, instead he’s keen on us doing the growing instead :p

[brittle siren]

I mean do you feel gross at ppl that 80% of their body like a walking corpse?

[violet storm]

Who would be considered the least horrible orokin?

[restive river]

Daughter

She was racist but got better
That’s her only crime

[violet storm]

We all know who the worst are

[brittle siren]

Daughter, beside being racist for 5 mins

[restive river]

The Seven

[lilac aspen]

Grandmother tbh
She gave Dagath a name

[restive river]

More like a couple weeks but yeah

[restive river]

She literally put the entire system at risk cause her family was bickering…

I love Grandmother
She is not a good person :p

[brittle siren]

Oh I mean on screentime, but yeah 2 weeks in real game time

[lilac aspen]

Okay I understand but have you seen that family

[restive river]

Yeah lol

[violet storm]

Ballas on top for certain.
Karish is horrible too. And I don’t know the names to the other 5

[lilac aspen]

I would too at that point

“Either this will fix the family or delete the family. Both is an improvement.”

[restive river]

Tuvul
I hate Tuvul
I wish I was Voruna
I put knives in his body and spoons in his eyes
I wish I could kill Tuvul

[strange plinth]

tuvul, nihil
uhh whichever that one is in the synthesis fragment that starts with A(?)
other two are unnamed still, tmk

[restive river]

I mean yeah, at least she had good intentions but she still put everyone at risk

[violet storm]

Stab him with butter knives. And dull ones

[restive river]

She’s lucky it turned out well

[restive river]

Like 90% of my knives from the Zariman are in him

[restive river]

I believe it’s still debated on whether or not Nihil counts?

Cause we know he’s an executioner but that’s about it iirc?

[violet storm]

I would make voruna’s wolves tear him apart slowly

[brittle siren]

I think the unnamed one is those that barely do anything in the Seven and they are the dumbest in the group

[restive river]

Like nothing states he’s one of the seven but he very well could be

[lilac aspen]

Grandmother knew we would fix it all clearly
We never fail
…
Oh Void she knows we have the ability to restart the mission

[brittle siren]

that why no info about them

[restive river]

Oh yeah I have the statues of them biting him too

I have never felt so much hatred for a fictional person since Tuvul

[viscid aspen]

I feel like the Entrati are on the good scale except maybe Son. Father and Grandmother seem to be the most good

[brittle siren]

I think we can agree that 7 executors are the Seven, since both have 7 ppl.

[violet storm]

What if the Seven each represented each of the deadly sins
Considering Karrish is an extreme glutton and Ballas is Ballas

[restive river]

Father is mostly okay
Grandmother did put the entire system at risk but she is really based for everything else she does
Daughter got over being racist
And Mother is Mother

[brittle siren]

Ballas is Pride

[restive river]

And as you said Son sucks

[violet storm]

Nihil is Wrath

[restive river]

Problem is like all Orokin are like half of the sins :p

[brittle siren]

the Son look so much like Ballas for some reason

[restive river]

Like every orokin is extremely prideful

I believe there’s some other overlap too

[viscid aspen]

Wait what did grandma do? I havent played Heart of Deimos in a while lol

[lilac aspen]

She shot the heart

[brittle siren]

but he is more prideful than any other Seven, since when the Drifter/OP and Lotus does not in his command, he start whining about it

[lilac aspen]

In hopes that it’ll make the family lock in and set aside their differences to fix it

[restive river]

She put the heart at risk so we’d come help her family from being dysfunctional

[viscid aspen]

[restive river]

And by putting the heart at risk she put EVERYONE at risk.

[viscid aspen]

Okay yeah that was dumb, but i can forgive her

[restive river]

I mean she is the coolest Entrati, like factually

But it was still dumb of her to do :p

[lilac aspen]

Basically the equivalent of someone setting off a virus that armed all nukes on the planet to go off in 24 hours because the family had some beef

[brittle siren]

Imagine Rell is using Harrow to rebel Wally then the Heart die, making him die too and let Wally in the Origin System

[restive river]

If the bluva story is 1. Real and 2. About her then she’s even more based

[violet storm]

She gave the Ventkids effectively permanent housing and let em keep Waverider #1

[brittle siren]

I hope we can get some info in Old Peace (bluva or the Seven detail)

since it a school

[restive river]

Technically the heart briefly goes down before chains so
Yeah we were literally at risk of that-

[lilac aspen]

My favorite flavor
Bluva

[restive river]

I’d like more on the Seven than bluva

[brittle siren]

ye

[violet storm]

I Wonder what became of the Scoria post ash’s leverian entry

[restive river]

I do believe the bluva story, if real, may be about Yareli instead? I believe that was maybe hinted at at tennocon by Adrian but idr

[brittle siren]

also from the blinded Margulis image, I hope we can learn sth about her too

[restive river]

That’s the gems on the forehead right?

[viscid aspen]

What i cant forgive is HAVING TO GET 20 OF HER STUPID TOKENS for the Seriglass shards

[restive river]

Cause Suda had one before she was glassed

[lilac aspen]

I wonder what Kuva tastes like

[restive river]

Like blood but tangier

[brittle siren]

like blood but have void taste

[violet storm]

Political assassination school is what I think Drusus called it

[viscid aspen]

To me its equal parts blood, cheap strawberry jelly, red velvet, and motor oil

[lilac aspen]

Clearly we need to give Farmer Hunhow Kuva

So he returns to peak farmer strength

[restive river]

The scoria are the gems on the forehead, I’ve seen the theory the different kinds represent different jobs/classes
hence why Suda had one

[brittle siren]

also how exactly Orokin use the Kuva to transfer body?

[restive river]

Kuva conducts consciousness

[viscid aspen]

Inb4 he finally gets out of Uranus to fight Wally with us and he's one shotted

[restive river]

Something along those lines at least

[lilac aspen]

Something something consciousness possession

[restive river]

Continuity is like
Literally murder too

[violet storm]

Continuity and Yuvan. I’d think you’d have to go a good deal back

[viscid aspen]

Did the orokin invent or discover kuva?

[restive river]

You use the kuva on the yuvan and it kills them

[restive river]

Likely discovered

Exact origin unknown
Just that it’s before the void was useful

[viscid aspen]

Interesting

[restive river]

Since Albrecht used Kuva before he made the void useful

[brittle siren]

My thought is, since Unum use her kuva blood and make animal drink it so she could see from their eyes, I think Orokin also use their blood, infused with Kuva and make the victim drink it.

[restive river]

Then after his wally experience he never used it again

[lilac aspen]

Like that one SCP scenario where death dies
So the important foundation members transplant their brains into younger bodies so they don’t get stuck in an aging (but undying ) body

[restive river]

I mean we literally saw how the process works somewhat in the war within and it ain’t that

[strange plinth]

i feel like the orokin could've done ethical continuity too
like. they have cloning tech. could you not just clone a body and continuity into it??

[restive river]

Wouldn’t their brains still age and eventually lose info over time

[viscid aspen]

I LOVE the End of Death canon

[lilac aspen]

Well yeah
Void hits different

[brittle siren]

well the Queen drill the kuva into our brain, it kinda same same

[restive river]

Nothing ethical about taking a life
But uh
Yeah they coulda used clone bodies

[lilac aspen]

Probably but they hadn’t reached that point yet since brains are hella storage efficient gremlins

[strange plinth]

slightly more ethical than having an entire caste dedicated to being a body to steal
but yeah, i see the point

[brittle siren]

well they think cloning is foul and disgusting

[restive river]

Fair

[lilac aspen]

That or they figured out treatments for that brain issue since they had infinite amount of time now

[restive river]

I don’t believe Yuvan was a caste, more so just something someone could be if an Orokin willed it

Being a Yuvan was by far the worst job in the Orokin Empire

No sick days AND you get literally murdered???

[lilac aspen]

But that’s too easy
Why not flex superiority instead

[brittle siren]

also Orokin tranference remind me of this https://youtu.be/j0y4VGtZy6g

[viscid aspen]

In my mind they're the warframe version of those creepy modelling agencies that are totally not used for trafficking. Just raising/kidnapping/very heavily suggesting young/desirable people and training them to be perfect for their Orokin overlords

[restive river]

That sounds pretty accurate and horrible

[brittle siren]

btw Grineer clone is not like clone trooper in Star War right?

(like Grineer when out of the pod is already adult?)

[strange plinth]

i thought so? but i don't think that process is super detailed
the stuff we get from the sealab tileset are tyl regor experiments, primarily

[restive river]

I believe they pop out fully grown

Which is what makes the clone rot and thus their shorter life spans so tragic

[humble sierra]

We actually had a brief discussion yesterday either here or #spoiler-chat regarding "Thrax"— the poison used by Vay Hek during this Plague Star event is also called Thrax. Styanax's Leverian mentions some sort of mythological creature called a Thrax, and that its venomous.

It led us to the conclusion that Euleria probably named Dominus Thrax (and subsequently his Legates) after the creature. Basically equivalent to an IRL author naming a character "King Basilisk".

[humble sierra]

Why does Kullervo have lasers and fly midair during his boss fight?

Why is his signature weapon a shotgun and why is Vaenn reduced to a skin, despite him being a melee based Warframe?

As someone who mains Kullervo (he's about 25% of my total 1200+ hours apparently), I am frankly disappointed by some of his execution.

Okay just those two things really.

[torpid sundial]

lore accurate Tenno vs the backrooms. Are we cooked?

[restive river]

I more so meant theyre called Thrax cause they work for Thrax
Also I do believe the Legates and Centurion aren’t originally from Duviri the storybook

[strange plinth]

the tenno have no special powers that would aid them in the backrooms, afaik. other than being difficult to kill
assuming it is the tenno that enters, and not a warframe being controlled by one

[humble sierra]

The main issue is getting out

[proper barn]

They have cloned skin and organs.

[remote vortex]

Anyone know what's going on with the radio in Hullvania Mall between Arthur and Eleanor? It occasionally says "Tap, tap, tap."

[normal mountain]

Rell found the radio station
And made a podcast
Nobody is quite sure what to tell him

[strange plinth]

just wally doing his thing

[remote vortex]

I figured as much.

[normal mountain]

I like mine better

[remote vortex]

But I wonder why whoever they are is using Rell's voice...maybe a thing we'll never know.

[strange plinth]

eh. wally uses the form n voice of whoever (see: the interrogation scene)
"rap tap tap" was tied (somewhat) to rell, so its that voice that says it

[restive river]

The whole rap tap tap thing is Wally’s deal, not Rell

[restive river]

It’s Wally, he’s being a creep

[restive river]

It’s been more so tied to Wally, it’s a misconception it was Rell’s

Wally uses it far far more

[brittle siren]

but in Chain of Harrow he use Rell voice to said it

[restive river]

He uses it in whispers when he rips the walls off

[hybrid silo]

Are there any frame where all their ability is good? It feel like every frame have to have 1 mid or unuseable ability

[restive river]

Before whispers was revealed he was tapping on the walls in necraloid’s room

[strange plinth]

yeah
its first and most common use is tied to chains of harrow n rell
after that, its used in the whispers nw transmissions iirc?
not sure if its used in other places, but wally definitely says it a ton more than rell

[normal mountain]

Fine
Then it was Wally who found the radio station

[humble sierra]

The "Rap Tap Tap" was Rell's voice, and it's him who says it in the initial recording that starts Chains of Harrow.

Wally uses it just like how the Predator mimics tough-guy Billy's laugh at the end of the movie

Both are using it to explicitly taunt someone

[pale cedar]

Wally has been doing it since before he ever met Rell of course it would be in Rell's Voice when he's possessing Rell

[humble sierra]

? Before he met Rell? Maybe j should replay Chains of Harrow

[pale cedar]

Wally was tapping at the untime door

Wally was tapping on the window in New War

[humble sierra]

Ah, gotcha. In case I wasn't clear, I know Rell didn't come up with the "rap tap tap" rhythm, just that he was likely the one who gave it that distinctive nomenclature.

[pale cedar]

He’s the first example of it while possessed by the creator of it and players have started taking the radio to mean Rell is alive and trying to contact us

Players also did the same sort of thing with Harrow asking how a Prime or Proto can exist if Rell is dead like he's the only person to use or be Harrow

[strange plinth]

the fact that there's a harrow prime means that harrow wasn't unique, just that harrow happens to be the frame rell bound himself to
a proto just reinforces that

also, why the hell would rell be trying to contact us in 1999 using a "catchphrase" of the thing he opposed for however long? ignoring for a moment that he is dead.
i'm. confused by these people

[humble sierra]

Yeah like I said, it's either Wally outright taunting us by mocking Rell, or some sort of weird echo in the void

But Rell being alive defeats the purpose of the quest

[winter geode]

this is probably silly but i was watching a baby tenno play new war and found myself wondering what would happen if we just kept feeding lotus more and more archon shards

[humble sierra]

She evolves

[strange plinth]

lmao

[winter geode]

into what? an archon? would she be able to mimic a warframe? that would be dope

[humble sierra]

No into the Lotus

[winter geode]

she already is the lotus with just a few

[humble sierra]

Other evolutions include Vay Hek and Anime Waifu

[strange plinth]

after healing her fully, it would probably just start strengthening her. not sure in what way(s)
might depend on the archon shard(s) used, in the same way they strengthen our frames

[humble sierra]

Sorry, I meant the Lotus²

[winter geode]

i love vay hek lotus

[winter geode]

what would "ability strength" do to her? we dont really know the full extent of her abilities or even if she did gain any and just doesnt know it or hasnt used them

like weve never seen her use the laser before or since that she used in the chase scene and we have no idea if she could do that again

[strange plinth]

yeah. not sure what ability strength would do to a mimic
not like she would be able to mimic.. more effectively, she was already able to "burrow into the tenno nest"

[humble sierra]

Interestingly she has an Energy color when you customize her

It seems to affect her eyes, but she has two channels

[restive river]

This is kinda how i imagine Natah spoke

[dense violet]

Important thing

If excalibur umbra u can see his flesh in his horn
So the horn has flesh

Does it mean that stuff between warframe legs are their mutated cocks?

[placid kayak]

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON ABOUT O_O

[dense violet]

U know how warframes have between their legs a lot of them

[opaque zenith]

several people are typing

[dense violet]

I was joking with my friend that those are their c*cks and then i played the excalibur umbra quest and saw that he is in fact of flesh ( covered with sword steel or whatever ball ass said )

And that his horn on his nose was in fact a fleshy horn

So does that mean that the horns between warframes legs are their mutated members

[placid kayak]

...

[pale cedar]

This really doesn't sound like an appropriate discussion to be having

[dense violet]

Or like huge infested warts

[placid kayak]

im going to violently bleach your BRAINS OUT!

[dense violet]

Oh okay sorry

[placid kayak]

WHAT KIND OF PERSON EVEN THINKS OF THAT

[dense violet]

Just look at me

[placid kayak]

your pfp looks like your failing to even be remotly scary

[placid kayak]

i will send you to jesus

[dense violet]

I am afraid the damage is done

[placid kayak]

GET THEM CHANCLA CAT!

https://tenor.com/view/cats-gif-22210946

[opaque zenith]

I would like to play devil's advocate, but you're on sacrifice so I'll keep silent

[placid kayak]

sack of rice XD

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[dense violet]

Ok so are warframe parts thar stick out mostly flesh like excaliburs horn

Thars all i wish to know

[placid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/enhypen-hypenchives-jay-spinning-kick-kicking-gif-2817797404208483975

[dense violet]

Gosh dude calm down this is a lore discussion

[placid kayak]

yeah and your cursed

so spinkick

[tall echo]

warframes are humans mutated with helminth strain infestation

all of them is flesh

[placid kayak]

hey cephalon scrap quick question can you summon an army sense your a cephalon

[tall echo]

what

[placid kayak]

like how simaris in octavias anthem uses the "test subjects" you give him

[tall echo]

that's exclusive to him as they're the creatures from his sanctuary

[placid kayak]

so i cant give you an army of frogs....

[tall echo]

theoretically you could give simaris an army of frogs

I don't do synthesis though so I can't have an army

[pale cedar]

Scrap why you lying?

You said you control a bunch of stuff all across the system which is why killing you is impossible

[tall echo]

that's not the same thing

I can't summon an army, but I am an army

[placid kayak]

so i cant give you 1000 frogs to summon

[tall echo]

no but give simaris one and he can summon an infinite amount

he'd probably consider a regular frog rare enough

[placid kayak]

uh i have a golden one

[pale cedar]

He needs more than one though cuz Simulacrum

[placid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-gif-18807809

[tall echo]

is that how it works? I never get to ask him

[pale cedar]

He always says I need more data

[tall echo]

I just assume he needs one as a template

[proper barn]

froge

[placid kayak]

kermit de froge

[lean garden]

shy little frog, singing along with this fun tune

[placid kayak]

i know what you talking about because

you wont belive your eyes-

[lean garden]

about 10,000,000 fireflies?

[placid kayak]

i thought it was billion

[lean garden]

honestly Its been a while since Ive listened to the song

I just know its a number that ends with illion