lore-discussion

[plain dagger]

But makes him the strongest being in warframe atleast i think

I wonder how limbo would go

About that

[strange plinth]

he still gets solo'd by old man yaoi

[plain dagger]

The power of gay always scares straight people so..yeah

Tbh it was cute

[restive river]

Tbh I feel like there’s a good bit in warframe about not over-inflating things to godhood
The Orokin
The Tenno/Warframes
and Wally

[plain dagger]

And I lowkey kinda actually in a weird way feel bad for wally

We dont even really know all that much

[restive river]

If anything since he needs to be known to exist inflating him to such a status may just make him more powerful???

I’d feel bad for him but he’s doing a lot of this on purpose, no empathy, no sympathy

[plain dagger]

He IS evil dont get me wrong

[restive river]

Like the Zariman was a worse experience because he wanted to see what would happen

[plain dagger]

But he could have EASILY killed us

[strange plinth]

i feel bad for him solely in that he was also wronged by the orokin
but nothing else

[plain dagger]

Bro the orokin man

[restive river]

Yeah

[plain dagger]

Some dumbasses how you piss off 5 of your own creations and a supernatural entity at the same time or around it

[restive river]

They didn’t even make the infested

[plain dagger]

Well no

[restive river]

They just made it more deadly lmao

[plain dagger]

They altered it and thus

Making it the infestation so kinda yeah

[restive river]

The techrot predates the Orokin
Eventually the Orokin modify it to be a weapon

They just made it worse for themselves lol

[plain dagger]

Tech rot is so odd

It just

[restive river]

Ye olde infestation

[plain dagger]

Its the primal infestation like

If that's the case is nidus techrot?

[restive river]

Yummy code muncher

[strange plinth]

nidus is still helminth, primarily

[restive river]

In the same way as all other infested

All of it is connected

[plain dagger]

Okay yes but his prime quote is

A long unseen strain of infested

As in...?

[restive river]

He doesn’t really have any techrot traits

[plain dagger]

Yeah i know but I think nidus is the first cannon warframe i know Excalibur but

[restive river]

Likely just that version of him is long unseen
That nidus strain of the helninth strain

[plain dagger]

It just makes sense to me

[restive river]

He’s not

[strange plinth]

"long-unseen form, seething with a primal strain of the infestation"
meh. probably just "orokin-era" infestation

[plain dagger]

He is the least put together

[restive river]

Like you can have that be a headcanon but that doesn’t mean it is canon :p

[plain dagger]

I knowww

[restive river]

Xaku:

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Well

[restive river]

[plain dagger]

We dont count xaku.. because well uh

I said so! Grr

Nah I mean like he's the most unstable warframe

[restive river]

Nidus is the most primarily infested frame so I see where people come from asking if he was the first

[plain dagger]

He is just mass no order no style he is just mass

[restive river]

But the warframes are designed creations

[plain dagger]

I know

[restive river]

Think of it like
A gun, guns don’t just happen they are designed in some way

[plain dagger]

But something in my head just tells me he was envisioned before Excalibur and maybe Excalibur was just made before him

[strange plinth]

assuming the vitruvian is not lying, the helminth made the skin into the smoother "sword-steel" material initially
Nidus would've been designed to be.. less so

[restive river]

Iirc it literally says Excal was the first

[plain dagger]

I KNOWW im. Just saying

[restive river]

I mean you can keep saying it lol

[plain dagger]

They might have had plans for a prototype for the infestation turned warframe and they took the first steps to making nidus and then said mmm nah let's make something more refined therefore Excalibur

[restive river]

Like again, I can see the thought process but that’s just not the reality of the situation given what we know

Tbh this could be solved if they gave Nidus more concrete lore

[plain dagger]

Yeah

Poor guy needs it he's one of the COOLEST

[restive river]

Which I can see being something similar to what you’re saying just not having him be the first

Maybe a design that didn’t go as expected or something went wrong or odd like Mirage

[plain dagger]

Like all I'm saying is that

[restive river]

I do actually wonder if Legacytes survived long enough (and before Entrati showed up) that they inspired the Warframes since they are actually similar

[plain dagger]

It would be fire because looking at it in retrospect maybe nidus is just the base of Excalibur without the full helmet and the infestation took it over and something went wrong

[restive river]

Which is just making me think that we do need a techrot themed nidus skin, even just a helmet
Doesn’t even have to be lore accurate, not all cosmetics are canon

[plain dagger]

Dude nidus needs a techrot skin man

[restive river]

I hope we get more bits on the past after old peace

[plain dagger]

Also I have another theory

[restive river]

Like
18 radiation wars, c’mon….

[plain dagger]

Most warframes in the design this could be just untrue but

They never built warframes bit by bit. If they had a base that works for their idea they would build on that in my opinion and the only time they did was when making the primes

Like how

[restive river]

Some frames predate their primes

[plain dagger]

See this makes sense

[strange plinth]

some started prime, some earned it
lavos DIY'd it

[restive river]

Yee

[plain dagger]

Lavos my unfortunate goat

Rework my baby

[restive river]

Nah that’s oberon

[plain dagger]

Oberon does need one

[restive river]

He’s getting one!

Fall update :]

[plain dagger]

Say no more

[pale cedar]

Tbh the Lavos diy isn’t actually confirmed all it says is he worked hard

[plain dagger]

Lavos was a prodigy

[restive river]

It’s in character for the frame at least

[plain dagger]

Now that im thinking about it

Who the hell IS nidus? Like he was a person once so who? Or is he JUST infestation

[pale cedar]

In character but DE still didn’t 100% confirm

[restive river]

He was a person

[restive river]

Fair

[plain dagger]

Okay so who though because ain't no way

Maybe a prisoner turned warframe?

[strange plinth]

there's very little information on any of the people pre-warframing

[restive river]

We don’t know that for like 99% of all frames :p

[pale cedar]

All Warframes were made using Humans

[plain dagger]

Yes

But I feel like some

Have pretty obvious backgrounds

Ivara was a hunter

[restive river]

Some do
Most don’t

[strange plinth]

Stalker, Jade, Umbra, Yareli (prime), Mirage (prime) are the only ones i can think of
that we do have detail on
oh and temple obv. lmao.

[pale cedar]

A human can be a hunter

[plain dagger]

Nidus was either a prisoner or an insane person

Im saying before warframe

[restive river]

Like we can’t actually say if Dante was a librarian or scientist before
But he certainly was smart as a frame

[plain dagger]

Yes that was his job

[restive river]

Why couldn’t he be a warrior? A dax? They took their best, not just randoms

[plain dagger]

Looking at all of the warframes and their "roles"

[pale cedar]

They didn’t even only take their best

[plain dagger]

Ooh.. see that makes some sense but he would be more regal and royal stanced

[pale cedar]

Volunteers or not

[plain dagger]

Even the lowest ranking dax had insane mentality

Yes but remember piloting a warframe takes their mannerisms

[restive river]

Stalker:

[plain dagger]

And other things into play

Is the stalker a warframe be so for real

[pale cedar]

Yes

[plain dagger]

Knew it

[strange plinth]

confirmed first in second dream, elaborated on in jade shadows

[pale cedar]

It wasn’t confirmed in TSD

[plain dagger]

Back to my theory

Depending on their role in society the warframes stances change

Like nekros must have been a grave tender

He has a certain oddity to him

Im digging too deep into this but that's fun

The saint of altra

Grendel the glutton

Nova was definitely a scientist

[strange plinth]

"No self, no sense, no death. Just a metal puppet, dangling on Tenno strings. Only the Tenno's death will end your despair.
All your dread-long life you've waited for this moment. But you're asking yourself—was I one of these wretched things? You know the answer. You still hate them. You still hate yourself."
is that not confirmation, or at least implied?

[plain dagger]

The first part refers to the tennos warframe

[digital grail]

Despair? Dread? Hate?

[strange plinth]

in that order, indeed

[digital grail]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-raised-eyebrow-gif-6506694932635492760

[plain dagger]

Wait

They might be from like a spy group type of warframes made by the orokin to spy

[digital grail]

It reminded me of the fantastic 4 meme

[plain dagger]

Or something along those lines

[pale cedar]

No, because he’s talking about us not Stalker

[plain dagger]

Or...

[pale cedar]

Stalker didn’t know the answer

[plain dagger]

When the stalker holds his hand up is he reminding himself of the fact that your a person or he's a person?

Because warframes dont speak

Usually very VERY rare cases

VERY so the stalker probably isnt a warframe

[lean garden]

but he is tho

[pale cedar]

It was confirmed he was

[plain dagger]

Really? But I dont understand

Who the hell is controlling him

[strange plinth]

no one
well
he's controlling himself

[pale cedar]

Himself

[plain dagger]

Himself? Hunhow? Weird..m

Mmm.. see

[pale cedar]

Warframes are sentient

[plain dagger]

Well kinda

[pale cedar]

They could kick you out at any moment

[plain dagger]

See i like this

Im being proven wrong and im learning

[strange plinth]

the first ones were
stalker had something to hang on to, which let him keep some sanity

[lean garden]

wait, haven't you played Jade Shadows yet?

[pale cedar]

Jade put her Operator to sleep

[digital grail]

Hes like umbra

If umbra could talk

[plain dagger]

I did i probably didn't pay attention

[pale cedar]

You should’ve

[plain dagger]

I know he was married to the person controlling jade I think or maybe it was jade

And he has a son

Somehow

[digital grail]

It was jade

[pale cedar]

You should read the memory feather by Teshin

[strange plinth]

Jade and Stalker were both made warframes due to their relationship
something against the legems idk
Stalker had the promise of seeing his wife again dangled over his head, which is how he became an orokin lapdog
He didn't recognize Jade when she took him away from the battle during the night of naga drums

[lean garden]

not controlling jade, is jade

[digital grail]

Jade was also a fully sentient warframe with no operator and was pregnant pre infestation

[plain dagger]

So..

[lean garden]

well, she had an operator

[plain dagger]

What the warcrime orokin

[pale cedar]

Jade put her Operator to sleep

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[plain dagger]

I find this funny

Because essentially this all boils down to rich greedy people suck ass

[eager dragon]

The Orokin were... something, to say the least.

[strange plinth]

i wonder if there's a message here... /s

[pale cedar]

That’s the point

[eager dragon]

Had an amazing sense of fashion though.

[lean garden]

well, thats nearly the root of all problems in warframe

[plain dagger]

Call me an orokin the way I be doing anything in my power to look cooler

Also wally has good dental hygiene

Who's his orthodontist

[lean garden]

stole his teeth from albrecht really

[pale cedar]

His wall form has ugly teeth

[plain dagger]

Doomed toxic old man yaoi saves the day

[pale cedar]

He probably doesn’t need to brush teeth

[plain dagger]

He has to ! Look at those pearly whites!

He has obviously done acting

Also I think that once again maybe another form of punishment by the orokin was turning people into mods my honest belief

Or ...just void magic

LAME

[pale cedar]

They were made by a Cephalon though

[plain dagger]

All of them?

[eager dragon]

Probably not, unless they would be willing to put a Cephalon in charge of that, considering that Samodeus is the one managing (I think made by).

[pale cedar]

They aren’t made using people

[plain dagger]

Did I miss something..

[pale cedar]

Samodeus making all mods is most likely rather than Void or anything

[plain dagger]

Who is samodeus again

I forgot along time ago probably

[strange plinth]

riven cephalon
the big purple triangle

[pale cedar]

We said it the other day

[plain dagger]

Oh my god im so dumb

I FORGOT THAT WAS A CEPHALON MAN

[pale cedar]

We had a whole conversation about this

[plain dagger]

I FORGOT HE WAS A CEPHALON

I GOT SO LOST IN THE SAUCE I FORGOT HE WAS ALIVE

Mann

[pale cedar]

I also said Cephalons are immortal

[plain dagger]

No I meant

I thought it was just purple by design

Because

I was simply just pressing a button

[lean garden]

eh

[plain dagger]

But now thinking about it

You must prove yourself before I reveal this beauty

[pale cedar]

Lore wise Rivens are his best work

[plain dagger]

Makes sense

Above primes too

[lean garden]

Cephs arent immortal

anymore than your computer is immortal

[plain dagger]

Cephalons are damn near immortal

[lean garden]

as much as your computer is immortal anyhow

like repeatedly in Octavia's Anthem the idea of "destroying" a cephalon is brought up

simaris tells you to destroy suda to protect the weave

[strange plinth]

even outside of the weave, parvos brings up cephalons degrading over time during the belly of the beast banter
granted, he isn't the most reliable person

[tall echo]

Well, to disconnect her

[pale cedar]

So all I have to do to kill a Cephalon is disconnect them

[tall echo]

No, he says to leave her to die

[north jolt]

No wonder he's basically forgotten

[pale cedar]

He’s forgotten because even DE abandoned his lore and he doesn’t show up anywhere else outside of Rivens

[north jolt]

I know I was making a joke about hating rivens

[past halo]

I wonder how brutally destroyed Caliban Prime was when the brief peace treaty was broken

[hexed oxide]

Jade lighted ?

[rose estuary]

Unless the sentients hid him from the orokin once the treaty was broken

[past halo]

Maybe

[stiff beacon]

personal theory another tenno managed to lift it before $#@% hit the fan

[hexed oxide]

Im slightly confused

When in the timeline is the old peace set ?

[ashen pulsar]

In the middle of the old war, I think

A little pause before it began again

[pale cedar]

Peace period of the Old War will probably show why it ended

[hexed oxide]

Ah

Christmas truce kind of deal then

[narrow pendant]

prime access description mentions it being "too brief"

so brief, the seven likely never even mentioned it to the rest of the orokin to uphold their status and because they already planned to disturb the peace

[pale cedar]

Didn’t they hide the records of almost everything though?

[lean garden]

that is exactly the inspiration

like the narrative team straight up uses the christmas truce as an example of what the Old Peace is

[normal mountain]

Wonder if this means we'll see some Solstice celebrations

[hexed oxide]

how would that work though ?

with the amount of grineer and sentients we saw in the trailer, how could none of them report back to their leader ?

[pale cedar]

It was brief peace

[stiff beacon]

did you forget that blue pos was there to

[pale cedar]

All they would need to do is tell people there was never peace

[woven coyote]

Grineer were still under the orokin at that time

Not to mention being in another system

[hexed oxide]

different system i understand, but did all grineer report back to an orokin ?

[woven coyote]

They control the passage between systems do you really think the orokin would go " oh by all means the slaves can come and go as they want and share information all willy nilly"

[sweet wadi]

Their control wasn’t absolute, people could get one over on them occasionally, like Parvos.

[woven coyote]

Grineer during that period werent a proper separate faction

They were still just clone slaves to the orokin

Probably with the same kind of loyalty genes that make them subservient to the queens now

Who again were orokin

[pale cedar]

Parvos wouldn’t even care about it tbh

[umbral merlin]

Is it really like that though
The Christmas Truce happened on a small level only and several members of the OHL gave orders prohibiting the continuing of it

From what we've seen so far, the Old Peace is a genuine (even if very brief) truce between the Orokin and Sentient leadership

[pale cedar]

Old Peace is also a short truce hence the very brief thing

It is a loosly based version of it

[lean garden]

But once you internalize the idea for a brief time, the image that always comes to mind with me discussing it is the image of soldiers in the first World War, fighting and then playing football across the trenches on Christmas Day, and that moment of recognition of common humanity and the fact that the people on the ground had their own families, they had their own reasons for going on living. And they weren’t mere tools in the hands of the imperial powers to be just sent out to die at a whim.

Adrian Bott

[pale cedar]

Tau even has trench style stuff

[umbral merlin]

You could apply that to any unofficial truce from any war, the point of the Christmas Truce was local commanders and frontline soldiers defying the high command to celebrate a holiday
Old Peace is barely like that, aside from the brief truce part, at least not from what we've seen

[pale cedar]

It is loosely based on it borrowing elements

Creative liberties and all that

[lean garden]

take it up with DE's narrative team then

[lean garden]

their own lead writer says that what comes to mind is the xmas truce

[pale cedar]

Isn’t Cam the lead writer?

[distant lagoon]

Y'all are way overthinking the christmas truce analogy

It's just 2 sides finding some common ground for a brief period, the analogy begins and ends there.

It's also just that the old war must have spanned lifetimes (by our standard) so the old peace is also a good bit longer than a day. 🙂

[distant lagoon]

Simple answer, probably gonna be the same reason enemies don't get to report back after we do an interception.

Anyone who knows about Tauron in the quest is probably not surviving it.

[misty salmon]

or there are records we just don't know about them because a: our memories were suppressed, b: nobody else is spending their time reminiscing about that one time in old war camp when they made friends with a sentient/grineer.

[pallid jasper]

tf happened to lotus in this

[tall echo]

Blinded

[pale cedar]

I’d say it’s not suppressed more we slept for 1000 years and forgot

[pallid jasper]

by ballas?

[tall echo]

Source?

[pale cedar]

That’s not Lotus

[tall echo]

By rell/the tenno/the player operator

[pallid jasper]

who is it?

[tall echo]

Margulis

[pallid jasper]

i forgot about her ngl

[distant lagoon]

What do you mean source?

[tall echo]

For the timeframes of the old war/peace

[burnt locust]

doesn't Margulis (the lady Lotus based her form on) get blinded by a Zariman child? maybe it's Margulis after gettting voided

[distant lagoon]

Oh you mean the bit about being the war being super long?

[tall echo]

Yes

[burnt locust]

yeah I saw someone mention Margulis after I replied

woops

[tall echo]

Me

[burnt locust]

the lore guys are a lot faster than I am

[tall echo]

And I type very slow

[vast willow]

What's going on in The Lotus Eaters?

I mean yeah, I get that the Lotus/Natah/Margulis is getting called on a KinePage

IIRC it was Wally

I think

But none of it makes sense.

[burnt locust]

my interpretation is that Wally wants Lotus, and she feels his influence
the Op can’t do it bc I think The Old Peace stuff happens at the same time
so the Drifter has to do it, and they go into 1999 and go kick Wally out of town

[vast willow]

How did Drifter get void powers anyway
I thought the New War thing where the Op did the deal with Wally was like a flashback

[strange plinth]

Lotus is acting as a lure for the indifference, so she sits on the edge of its domain and sings
trying to get the attention off of the operator/drifter so they can do their thing
i think
the kinepage is connecting us to 1999. don't know who the call is from, or if its stated anywhere

[vast willow]

It was Arthur's KinePage

[burnt locust]

Drifter and Operator hit the greatest dap up of all time and it gives D powers

[distant lagoon]

The Zariman scenes are a lil timey-wimey. We know the op was trapped reliving the memory. So it's both a flashback and also happening in the present.

[wanton mauve]

have we heard of any warframes that were created from grineer?

[strange plinth]

none confirmed if so
we know very little on the people before they were frames

[wanton mauve]

Rhino seems like he might have been a grineer

[vast willow]

According to the wiki, somehow when the Operator did the deal with Wally for the... semi-second first flashback yet-new time, Drifter somehow got powers

[burnt locust]

I thought the Indifference was Luring the Lotus
she says “My child, the great indifference wants to take. I want to let it.”

kinda feels the opposite idk

[strange plinth]

both are happening, she can hear its song, and she's trying to drown it out with her own
both are attracting attention to themselves from the other

[burnt locust]

like, a warframe made from a Helminthed orokin era grineer? or a warframe made by the current grineer empire

[distant lagoon]

Yeah I could speculate but we'll probably never be given the exact mechanism that caused it. We do know for sure now that the deal deleted every other Eternalism copy of us except for drifter.

[wanton mauve]

either or both perhaps. I think it would be cool regardless

[vast willow]

Honestly even though the Drifter is pretty cool he just jumped head-first into the timeline with his Duviri buddies and made everything so much harder to understand
Despite Paradox being a tutorial

[strange plinth]

(which it should not have been.)
even its placement now is before second dream and it ruins the whole reveal

[vast willow]

So the Drifter is in an ALTERNATE TIMELINE
And yet, he knows all about the Operator?

no sh*t

[wanton mauve]

I could see the Orokin being like "this grineer is behaving too well for a clone, they have started amassing followers. Better infect them before they spread influence, this surely won't come back to Rhino us in the ass."

[burnt locust]

Wasn’t D buddy buddy with Ordis in the kiddo’s absence? maybe they learned about them via Ordis?

[distant lagoon]

They were in an alternate timeline before creating Duviri, then exiting into ours.

We don't know how they found Lotus and got ahold of our orbiter, but everything else could be learned afterward.

[strange plinth]

during the zariman sequence, drifter's saying things that they would reasonably know via ordis or other characters
after the new war, operator could "catch them up" on other stuff, for the KIM messages

[strange plinth]

lotus's hand fell into duviri and allowed them to escape it

[vast willow]

You know how like

Gara died by sacrificing herself to kill a Hunhow-sized Sentinel
Inaros died by defending a colony

Limbo miscalculated

[distant lagoon]

Cool, doesn't tell us anything

[vast willow]

Ballas chopped Natah's hand off

[distant lagoon]

Chat

[vast willow]

That was the left hand in Duviri

[distant lagoon]

I know how we got the hand

[strange plinth]

tells us how they found lotus. they regrew her from that.

[vast willow]

He escaped via Paradox

[distant lagoon]

Where was the rest of Lotus

[burnt locust]

origin system?

[vast willow]

In the... Ballas portal-land

[distant lagoon]

Citation needed

That's a good guess I'll grant you

[wanton mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-pretend-make-believe-gif-7847042

[strange plinth]

the first scene where you see her in the orbiter, where her hand is the only solid piece of her there, and the rest is translucent

[distant lagoon]

But only a guess

[wanton mauve]

She's a mimic sentient no? Isn't she effectively made up of multiple sentients with a single consciousness?

[distant lagoon]

She's made up of Natah, Margulis, and whatever the Lotus identity entails

[tall echo]

No

[distant lagoon]

Not other sentients

[vast willow]

How was Drifter camp made anyway

It's not like they made a Specter of the Orbiter...

Unless Ordis is smart

How did Drifter even get Ordis??

[tall echo]

Not even that really, it's natah with margulis' memories forced into her

[tall echo]

Wdym

[vast willow]

You know the Drifter camp right

In New War

How did the Drifter make it?

[wanton mauve]

looks like its wherever the Orbiter crashed into?

[tall echo]

It's just the orbiter landed in a cave

[distant lagoon]

That's pretty much what I said. We know Margulis is in there because she's one of the three personas.

[wanton mauve]

since its split into two parts

[burnt locust]

uh they took the Orbiter and parked it in a cave

[cosmic badge]

Maybe the hand showed drifter everything that happened from the lotus's eyes so he knew stuff because of that? I might be reaching a bit but it could be true

[vast willow]

So Drifter found the Orbiter

[tall echo]

The landing craft can detach

[wanton mauve]

mabye Drifter coming to our reality was enough to prompt a memory transference

[vast willow]

How did Ordis not freak out from finding Drifter
Why is Ordis totally chill with the Drifter??

[tall echo]

The orbiter isn't split

[vast willow]

Then why does Drifter camp look like that

[distant lagoon]

You take what you can get in a bad situation

[tall echo]

Bc drifter has the same dna as the kiddo

[vast willow]

Ordis has eyes

[tall echo]

Because the landing craft can detach from the orbiter

[vast willow]

Whuh

[strange plinth]

its also implied that ordis and the drifter have been around each other for a little bit by the time we get to see them, no?

[burnt locust]

Kiddo gone, Ordis finds someone with the same vital signature as the kiddo, takes them in, but is confused why they don’t know/remember stuff our kiddo is familiar with

[tall echo]

Dna is more reliable than appearance

[vast willow]

Yes but how did Drifter even leave Duviri

[tall echo]

Orbiter: big thing with foundry, arsenal, etc
Landing craft: the thing you see in loading screens

[wanton mauve]

drifter had the option to leave duviri after finishing the duviri paradox quest.

[burnt locust]

they broke the loop at the end of the duviri paradox quest

[tall echo]

Landing craft =/= orbiter

[distant lagoon]

I think the question is more, what mechanically happened there, not just "oh drifter had a menu option"

[vast willow]

Imagine knowing a space ninja teenager with void powers for the entirety of your life and then when everyone gets brainwashed by Narmer you meet an old dude with the same DNA with your teenager
Then you somehow forget the Tenno have void powers and go like

"How about that... er- Tenno... Magic?"

[tall echo]

The option does explain it tho, drifter just left

[vast willow]

Ah

That's just annoying

[distant lagoon]

Through what means is kinda important though

[vast willow]

"You will not be as you are now (Drifter), but as you are then (Operator)"

[quiet ruin]

Well we know that you can access the zariman though teshin's place so thats a pretty clear path out.

[tall echo]

Either the gigantic rift by the zariman or they can open a portal at will

[burnt locust]

I mean the landing craft is a lot lore discreet than the gargantuan hunk of metal the entire orbiter is

[distant lagoon]

Right but none of that existed when the quest came out

So it was a bit of a gap

[tall echo]

...waht

[wanton mauve]

I think its implied that Drifter was trapped in Duviri (alternate reality) without knowing that they themselves were the ones in control the whole time they just didnt realize it. They basically figured out how to Log Out of their Sword Art Online game.

[quiet ruin]

You weren't asking about right now? Just about lore in general so im not sure what that has to do with anything

[distant lagoon]

There was no rift on our side when Drifter crossed over, and no zariman

[tall echo]

Wibbly wobbly timey wimey

[vast willow]

Kalymos is cute

[strange plinth]

zariman is shown in the new war before it "arrives" for angels

[burnt locust]

just because the Zariman wasn’t a visible void-plug in the origin system doesn’t mean it never existed

[wanton mauve]

what are 'void angels' anyways?

[vast willow]

ppl who drank the Reliquary

Fake food

[tall echo]

Holdfasts corrupted by the finger

[wanton mauve]

THEY DRANK THE FINGER JUICE?

[strange plinth]

void constructs that have fallen to the void song thing

[vast willow]

They were all hungry

[burnt locust]

Adults that succumbed to the madness the void finger placed on them

[wanton mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-doctor-rainbow-vomit-gif-15176649

[tall echo]

They fed off its void energy

[wanton mauve]

I see. Gross.

[burnt locust]

I mean, I assume its the adults, since most of the kids became tenno

[distant lagoon]

Yeah that's a whole other issue. I wish it didn't have the animation of us flying to it because otherwise it totally works as a Mind Palace scene

[tall echo]

Every adult died

[strange turtle]

Duviri isn’t an alternate reality, it’s just a place in the Void. They do come from an alternate timeline though.

It’s also like probably dead or something but that bit’s totally not important

[distant lagoon]

Cause it's also clearly not the same zariman we visit in Angels

[burnt locust]

before or after the angels started showing up

[wanton mauve]

Is the void going to turn out to be some sort of 'Twisting Nether' where all the timelines converge? <<

[quiet ruin]

It is though? The void is a convergence of the timelines. Two zariman overlapping at the very least

[tall echo]

Before obv

[vast willow]

Did the Orokin clone Wally's fingers?
Because if my Railjack has 1 entire finger
And there are like, god knows, 1000 Railjacks in the Orokin... navy?

No way Wally has more than 1000 fingers

[quiet ruin]

Yeah its recreated

[distant lagoon]

Yes, they're cloned

[quiet ruin]

There is only one real one

[strange plinth]

they're cloned or replicated in some way
the zariman's is "not one of the originals"
Cavalero: "Hey, Yonta. How many of those big finger-relics are out there, d'you think?"
Yonta: "Well... fewer than there used to be. So long as the originals are still safely sealed away, of course."

[burnt locust]

ah, I assumed the adults either tore each other apart or lived long enough to become angels

[distant lagoon]

Right I think that as well. I mean it's like not the same instance if that makes more sense?

[tall echo]

The angels are corrupted reconstructions of the dead adults' memories, they couldn't exist if the adults were alive

[vast willow]

I am now confused as flip

Uh oh

[burnt locust]

like the Holdfasts?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[tall echo]

It's what the holdfasts almost turned into

[burnt locust]

I know they were almost angelized, but you said they were reconstructions of the dead

[tall echo]

Yes

[vast willow]

What even are the Holdfasts?

"Last of the Zariman's crew"

That's what they say, but it's not like the Zariman had any metal-faced crew.

Right?

[tall echo]

See above

[pale cedar]

Quinn was killed by us
Yonta killed herself
Can never remember what happened to the other 2

[distant lagoon]

Yeah the holdfasts are void ghosts clinging on to who they used to be

[strange turtle]

Not quite

[distant lagoon]

If they let go, angelfication

[burnt locust]

Cavallero kaboom’d himself I think

[distant lagoon]

That doesn't disagree with what I said

[tall echo]

Not exactly. If they feed from the finger they turn

[pale cedar]

They feed from us now

[vast willow]

Finger juice

Finger blood?

Void blood?

[tall echo]

Finger energy

[distant lagoon]

That would be kuva

[vast willow]

Wally is a f*cking statue

Unless statues have energy, then I doubt you can, like, eat statue fingers

[burnt locust]

yeah Wally doesn’t actually feed people

[distant lagoon]

Wally appears as a statue

[vast willow]

Statue energy

[tall echo]

He's a shapeless eldritch being

[burnt locust]

I think they’re using the term feed to imply they were using its energy

not literally being consumed

[tall echo]

This is painful

[burnt locust]

I’m sorry, I’m not very intelligent

[strange plinth]

hombask was torn apart by mad parents
cavalero blew himself up to kill the parents that killed hombask, like Gold Witch said

[woven coyote]

Not quite

People assume kuva comes from the void because of that line about a void derived characteristic

But incarnon weapons also have a void derived characteristic but didnt originate from it

[tall echo]

Spirte is the main culprit rn

[vast willow]

"Shapeless Eldritch being"
This is bro's main form

Lost a finger lol

[tall echo]

He chose to appear as that

[strange plinth]

which he uses because he's been called the man in the wall

[woven coyote]

People mix the characteristic being void derived with kuva itself being void derived

[silk atlas]

Are we gonna forget all the times he showed up as a doppelganger of the person he's talking to

[strange plinth]

he first appeared as a near-exact image of albrecht
if there's anything close to a "true form" for him that we know of, its that

[vast willow]

That's to freak the sh*t out of everyone

Other than that, yeah no

[distant lagoon]

Until DE elaborates on a secondary magic system that makes kuva do what it does, then we can only assume it's void stuff.

[woven coyote]

Ah yes the famous line at the end of the new war "this is my main and true form"

[silk atlas]

He can even just show up as random people like how he turned to Loid when Albrecht had his face caved in when captured in The Hex

[tall echo]

Yeah I'm just gonna leave before I lose my patience

[woven coyote]

You arent reading what i said

[distant lagoon]

I read what you said and it wasn't worth the time.

[vast willow]

Oh no

[woven coyote]

Something having a void derived characteristic ≠ it being from the void

[vast willow]

Not even our gun-wielding buddy is safe now

[humble sierra]

He doesn't have a fixed, tangible appearance. It's not his true form, but it's the closest thing he has to one.

[woven coyote]

If you cant read why are you in this chat?

[strange plinth]

fandom wiki
vagabond's been there the whole time
just another appearance the man in the wall takes

[vast willow]

No one is safe

Now I'm freaked out about wally snapping my neck rn

I'm using Discord in the dark

[burnt locust]

Doesn’t Wally only take the vitruvian man form bc Albrecht drew him like that

[distant lagoon]

Yes, but because what kuva does is straight up magical, and the only "magic system" we have is the Void, it's safe to assume it's from the void until we hear otherwise.

[humble sierra]

Its power is from the Void, but kuva might not be from the Void itself

[woven coyote]

... well i guess i found another wall that cant be talked to

[distant lagoon]

Then from where. Give me the source.

[vast willow]

If Wally is mostly a Vitruvian Man then does he have an... uhh...

[strange plinth]

we don't know. but it seems to be in very small amounts all over the system, if kuva siphons are anything to go off of

[burnt locust]

I don’t think Kuva is a magic system, Grandma Entrati tells us a process that the Orokin use for Continuity during Naberus

[burnt locust]

his little wall

[distant lagoon]

Oh just like the void, that's weird

[humble sierra]

Pretty sure he does

[vast willow]

No...

[strange plinth]

delta was right lol

[vast willow]

My brain is at work here...

[woven coyote]

Still dont know why you think that is his "main form"

[burnt locust]

Thinkng about Wally’s wall meat hypothetical

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

[vast willow]

My brain is making theories

[humble sierra]

I feel like you can see one there

[vast willow]

It's censored by a shadow

[burnt locust]

I feel like you’re looking too hard at Wally’s wall

[quiet ruin]

We dont need to talk about his manhood in the wall

[vast willow]

My brain is making a wild theory here

It's pretty NSFW

God, why is my brain like this

[woven coyote]

Some would call that a fanfic

[quiet ruin]

This is a sfw sever, hope this helps.

[vast willow]

I know

[humble sierra]

Yeah we should probably just move on

[vast willow]

So what should we talk about

[quiet ruin]

Lore, typically.

[burnt locust]

okay let’s think about this then

what is Merulina

is it a think Yareli made? a separate entity that bonded with her?

[humble sierra]

Possibly an infested K-Drive

Maybe similar origins to Lizzie

[strange plinth]

"a rideable creature of the waves, and the inspiration for K-Driving"
according to the ability description

[vast willow]

Imagine if the original Yareli had an Orbiter

[burnt locust]

it’s funny to picture a Yareli finding a Merulina and just taking jt home

[vast willow]

Vroom vroom

[pale cedar]

The Operator of her would’ve

[vast willow]

Imagine how many posters and comics there would be scattered on the floor

Anyway gtg

bye guys

[cosmic badge]

Bye friend

[burnt locust]

on the topic of warframe’s buddies does anyone remember Venari’s lore

[pine mortar]

vaguely, not indepth

[burnt locust]

I find it interesting that every Khora has a Venari

when we 3D print one in our foundry, is Venari so important that there literally isn’t a way we can make one without the other?

[silk atlas]

Can't be any more different than something like Voruna's wolf heads, really

[humble sierra]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Fragments/Ghoul#G

Khora/Venari lore fragments here, apparently

[silk atlas]

If they need to print extra parts to make a thing work, oh well

[burnt locust]

I mean Voruna and the pack were a result of the Continuity that she interrupterd

but this implies there’s an orokin era non-fused Voruna warframe

[silk atlas]

She wouldve just came with the wolves, then

[burnt locust]

Dynar kubrow skin when

he’s my facorite out of the pack

[silk atlas]

Voruna Prime

Trust.

[burnt locust]

ooh

all four of the pack as dog skins

[strange plinth]

i do wonder what they'll do with her prime, if the heads being attached was a result of the stuff in the leverian

[humble sierra]

a larger-than-average kavat specimen possessed of... atypical behavioral characteristics. Specimen VK-7, unlike the others, did not come from a gene record. She was found frozen, in a sealed closet close to the environmental control station. Her unassuming tomb for millennia.

Then, like any animal dreaming, the paw... ...twitched. I glanced at the vitals scanner, expecting to see some anomalous electrical reaction taking place, contracting ancient muscles... But no... What I saw there was a beating heart. I did not revive specimen VK-7. Before my eyes she willed herself back to life.

Somehow she had managed to infiltrate the facility, bypass two different security gates, and had gained entry to my laboratory without raising an alarm... or my awareness. She held in her jaws a severed hand. Blackened. Fossilized.

there could be no mistake: what I held was the hand of one of those very... creatures... and one Anyo Corp had no record of. Therefore my first task was to extract a working blueprint – or as near as possible – from the sample's cellular makeup. One word recurred again and again, the word that had once been her name: Khora.

Just some snippets from those lore entries, it seems that they're linked deeply. Venari can resurrect herself somehow to save Khora

[burnt locust]

like the augment?

[pine mortar]

hey, that's a good point: why is it an augment and not vice versa: an augment to disable that feature?

[burnt locust]

if mods are canon, does this mean augments are canon too?

[silk atlas]

Mods in general are just wack when it comes to being canon. There was that one Cephalon they were gonna make to justify Rivens but then they just didn't use him lol

[burnt locust]

Samodeus?

[silk atlas]

Ye

[oblique siren]

She's Yareli's pet goldfish /j

[burnt locust]

don’t we get inbox messages from Samodeus every time they fiddle with riven dispo?

[silk atlas]

idr

[pine mortar]

i think we used to, but not anymore

[narrow pendant]

samodeus is mentioned in riven descriptions in the 1999 calendar so ig hes still there but just behind riven mods specifically

[misty salmon]

Samodeus is too busy generating random numbers and getting high on kuva to participate in your story or lore hobbies.

do we actually know anything about why Kuva is used to reroll Rivens? It doesn't feel like it matches with any of the other known uses. Though that might be just that we don't know what a mod, let alone a riven mod is. (Rivens are people! Rerolling is literally replacing the existing personality with a new one.)

[narrow pendant]

the queens were going to know more of his power which is the only connection we got ig

we would have gotten

[wind violet]

who are the so-called “masters of the void angels” that duviri teshinn speaks about?

[pine mortar]

presumably The Man

[wind violet]

seperate from the indifference? just now fully diving into warframe lore

[pine mortar]

the indifference and the man in the wall seem to be different titles for the same entity

[humble sierra]

"'The Man in the Wall’ is identical with the entity known to us as ‘The Indifference’."

[wind violet]

that opens up a lot then… thanks

[strange plinth]

man in the wall, indifference, lidless eye, smiling one
uhh
vagabond..
there's more names i'm forgetting
same entity

[restive river]

Not seem to be, they are
He has so many names

[restive river]

The Murmur are just him so they count

[wind violet]

i don’t remember the other once besides man and indifference, just to clarify, the indifference is the thing that periodically shows up as the operator with purple eyes? if so, what’s the correlation between him and the woman from 1999 that went to duviri?

[restive river]

He’s driving her like a frame

[wind violet]

that’s sick asffff

[strange plinth]

yea, he occasionally takes our form (and albrecht's, and loid's, etc)
he's possessing rusalka in a different way, seemingly
no void eyes and he took her with him to duviri

[lyric crystal]

Hello, does anyone know if all the Warframes have a leverian entry? : o

[strange plinth]

11 of them do

[tall echo]

No

What you see in the codex rn is all we have

[lyric crystal]

Oh ok ok. Thought caliban had one because I just found his prex card

[tall echo]

That should've been a hint that he doesn't bc otherwise it'd be in the leverian

[lyric crystal]

Thought that was the exception not the rule XD. In my head those warframes had the prex card there but making all the Warframes the same way would've been a bit dull so they separated the two after a while I don't know

[tall echo]

Nah if there's a leverian the prex goes in it, but lately if a frame comes with a hub/big area but no leverian they hide the prex there

Caliban, gyre, cyte, oraxia

I only found gyre's and cyte's

[restive river]

Caliban is in the camp
Oraxia is in the mission itself, same as Jade

[tall echo]

Jade has a prex‽

[strange plinth]

yup
its in a little dip by one of the ramps in the first section

[restive river]

Lore

[silk atlas]

Lore

[glacial timber]

wait can we collect the prex posters??

[cursive apex]

so do Solaris in fortuna, with them flat heads, store their brains elsewhere? like in the chest? I'm new.

[glacial timber]

i raise you: computer machine chips as brains and personality

[strange plinth]

answer to that is revealed when you reach rank 5 with the solaris

[oblique siren]

If you get your standing up to max with them, you'll find out!

[cursive apex]

Danke, impressed the story'll address it.

are such little things/curiosites like that usually explained?

[oblique siren]

I'm still new to the game myself, but thus far, a decent number of my "gee I wonder why it's this way" has been revealed c:

[strange plinth]

a good amount of them, yeah

[oblique siren]

It's not all obvious though. Some info you kinda have to piece together yourself

[glacial timber]

get ready for ✨ fragments and environmental storytelling ✨

[strange plinth]

and an occasional out-of-game comic

[cursive apex]

Wow that is ....all legitimately kinda amazing. I think imma like this setting.

[glacial timber]

seriously. without spoiling too much, to get the FULL story of your ship itself, you have to collect. every single cephalon fragment.

[oblique siren]

I think some things have, thus far anyway, been left open ended? Or at least purposefully muddied

[glacial timber]

and do a ‘hot or cold’ sound game

that is all I will tell of

[cursive apex]

I've had like abit of here n there spoiled for me but I very much still have no idea what's going on, which is good. I hate figuring things out too soon

[strange plinth]

ignore duviri until after New War, then

[cursive apex]

le auditory investigation?

[cursive apex]

lol that's the bit I had mildly spoiled, I have a vague understanding of what it is and a friend showed me some.

as a destiny refugee it's nice to get my fix of beautiful space, nebulas etc.

[oblique siren]

Ah yes. Fellow Destiny Refugee here XD

[glacial timber]

rip in pieces sorry your ceo sucked [censored] 🫡

[cursive apex]

btw lore wise, I'm sure I'll learn much about the poor grineer, but I've always been curious: why are they poisoning their own groundwater? ( Was a mission I watched a fren play maybe 8years ago? )

[glacial timber]

u will find a much nicer live service dev team here :)

[cursive apex]

I just wanted my chillspots n space adventure, but d1-2 said nooooo

[strange plinth]

probably an earth grineer sabotage? unsure though
if it is, they're poisoning the ground to clear forests for more outposts

[stiff beacon]

their main base isnt on earth just fyi

[cursive apex]

Oh I seeX2

I feel bad for them, their existence, but also I kinda like em, no idea why. My frens added me to their dojo and the chemlab seemed all grineer tech, chemical engineering a big thing for the G boys? I also recall reading somewhere that most of their guns are injection molded? iunno that last bit is also years old and half-remembered

[brittle siren]

sorry, moving on

[humble sierra]

The Fragments you scan, when viewed in the Codex, will often have some lore about whatever the entry is about. But if you ||hover over the concept art in a particular spot for each one,|| it'll have a new secret that will reveal ||more about Ordis||

[brittle siren]

Ordan in Old Peace when

also do we have the timestamp for when he was turn into Cephalon yet?

[stiff beacon]

a decent chunk of time before tenno are thing i believe

though beyond that nata

[brittle siren]

oh so we can't meet him as Ordan then 😭

though when did Corpus rise again? before old war or during it?

[strange plinth]

before, as a corpus scientist proposed sentients

[normal mountain]

Parvos Granum at least knew what he sounded like
So they had some overlap

[brittle siren]

yeah so they live in the same era

[normal mountain]

I would say the Corpus cropped up before the Old War
But Parvos lived long enough to have the warframe Protea commissioned,
So either he had some immortality drugs (in which case I'm surprised the Orokin didn't ask about his supplier)
Or he founded his movement shortly before or during the Old War

[brittle siren]

Parvos literally has all the plot armor 😭

[normal mountain]

I'm also fairly convinced that Granum's Protea was a first gen, unOperated frame

[brittle siren]

though I wonder why he didn't create more protea clone for Sister of Parvos

[misty salmon]

I could see the Orokin sticking a tenno on him to keep tabs on what he's doing.

[normal mountain]

Might not have had the tech to handle the Infestation like Ballas did
Otherwise, he'd probably have built Protea himself instead of making a commission

[brittle siren]

as if they would trust a child after so many incident cause by the Tenno (*cough *Ash Inaros cough)

[normal mountain]

I could also see Ballas just casually selling a child along with the destructive war machine

[normal mountain]

Fair points
Atlas would be a counterpoint

[brittle siren]

ah no I mean specter Protea

I suddenly forgot the word

like we can clearly see how strong Protea Specter in the Granum void

[normal mountain]

Maybe he wasn't going to risk making a clone out of a clone
I mean, there's a reason the Orokin went to the trouble of gene maintenance for their Grineer clone armies

[brittle siren]

also side note, Protea design remind me of Arabian female clothes

[normal mountain]

Maybe specters would have a similar issue

[brittle siren]

like these girl

[strange plinth]

iirc that's intentional
her name in the code refers to it
ah, mistaken
likely refers to an ottoman turkish word
similar, though

[brittle siren]

oh yeah

I wonder what other thing that Parvos use her for, beside combat

[stiff beacon]

i dont want that image in my head

[brittle siren]

I mean as a servant

[misty salmon]

Protea is not a coatrack, bad Parvos, don't make me get the spray bottle.

[thick scaffold]

Minerva and Velimir should stay divorced.

[tall echo]

Massive L take

[pale cedar]

Scrap he purposely says bad takes to ragebait lol

[tall echo]

Oh that's even sadder, imagine being that attention starved

[lunar island]

Everyone has their opinions lmao

[pale cedar]

It’s purposeful ragebait

[lunar island]

Not everything is ragebait

[pale cedar]

It is from them

There’s a pattern

[lunar island]

We all og players were expecting something about stalker Old War stuff when it was announced that we were getting a Stalker quest lol

But yeah

[pale cedar]

It was Old War stuff tbh considering he was turned into a frame during it

[lunar island]

? What

[pale cedar]

All frames were made in the Old War

[thick scaffold]

I said what i said about Stalker because i misremembered. But it was genuine.

What i said about Minerva and Velimir is also genuine.

[lunar island]

Like, we wanted the origin story of Stalker

[pale cedar]

That’s what you got

[lunar island]

No

[pale cedar]

His origin story is being turned into a frame for breaking Orokin law by having a child

[lunar island]

We got flashbacks of his relation with Jade and a baby, we dont see him being turn into a frame and killing wfs for the orokin

[pale cedar]

You don’t need to see him being turned into a frame for it to be an origin story

There’s also the Memory feather that gives you the full origin story

[sly ibex]

Honestly, after how Velimir and Minerva reacted to you telling them about what's going on with Rusalka from the Eight Claw event, I want them both to be profoundly miserable for the rest of their existences.

[lunar island]

Always is a slop when u expect DE to do something about the Old War or Orokin Era, like they want to but they dont know how, we are getting the old peace but is still not in the origin system

[pale cedar]

Doesn’t need to be in the Origin System

We went to Tau in the Old War Mag Codex says this

[lunar island]

We talking about the Orokin dude the Orokin are from the solar system WTF u mean

[pale cedar]

Plus DE said Old Peace is like a Christmas treaty

[lunar island]

🤣

I'm talking to a wall

[lunar island]

Yep

[pale cedar]

But once you internalize the idea for a brief time, the image that always comes to mind with me discussing it is the image of soldiers in the first World War, fighting and then playing football across the trenches on Christmas Day, and that moment of recognition of common humanity and the fact that the people on the ground had their own families, they had their own reasons for going on living. And they weren’t mere tools in the hands of the imperial powers to be just sent out to die at a whim.

Adrian Bott

[thick scaffold]

If Minerva lifted Thrax up and shook him until he gave her access to Duviri, i would have warmed up to her.

[lunar island]

Is like Disney doing something fron The Old Republic, why is so freaking hard

(Star Wars)

[thick scaffold]

I think we're on track to getting a playable Old War.

Just not soon

[lunar island]

No, next year is actual Tau

[sly ibex]

I don't think The Old War will ever be playable. Maybe some bit of it in memories, but never as a whole.

[humble sierra]

Apples and Oranges tbh. The Old War is meant to be a mysterious "Where did we as a society go wrong" event

[lunar island]

I dont want Old War being totally playable I want quests being played as on that Era as the new one is going to, but on the origin system

[pale cedar]

Tau is still apart of that Old War history

[lunar island]

Orokin lived very long time

[pale cedar]

Indeed

Good old Kuva

[lunar island]

You can trow us literally anywhere

[pale cedar]

Well the only place they wanted to expand to was Tau

Sentients on their way there saw this as a problem which even Ballas admits is true

Orokin also got impatient with Sentients so sent the Zariman

[lunar island]

Is not lmao, Orokin lived prestigious lives before they start to want more

The Old Republic has also an era of peace

[humble sierra]

It's more effective to see the ramifications of the Old War than it is to see the Old War itself

[lunar island]

I dont care about Old War

I'm talking about Orokin era

In general

[thick scaffold]

I want a playable Night of the naga drums.

[pale cedar]

That is actually something worth seeing especially with what Flare says

[lunar island]

I want a playable construction of the Unum tower

Or the solar rails

[lilac aspen]

Orokin Era
They were inevitably gonna fall
Not an if, but a when

[lunar island]

The orokin towers

Like, is all there

[lilac aspen]

Oh I was talking about an earlier post
Reply button failed me

[pale cedar]

Seeing the Orokin being Orokin ig could be an alright quest since we have had a quest already that isn’t about the main character

[swift sentinel]

Any playable Naga Drums must end with us kicking open a door to reveal a bunch of cowering children before it cuts to black.

[lunar island]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-goes-insane-gif-25382090

[lunar island]

Me after not having a Orokin era quest after 12 years

[swift sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-starwars-darthvader-gif-5533636

[lilac aspen]

“People are dying, what do we do Mr. Excalibur?”

[lunar island]

How does Flare knows about the Naga Drums?

[swift sentinel]

Didn't Lizzie tell him?

[lunar island]

So Lizzie is sent to the past?

[vast willow]

Are all the Orokin blue with long arms or is it just the rich ones?

[lunar island]

Only the Executors are blue

[vast willow]

Because a ton of ppl are from the Orokin era

[swift sentinel]

As an aspect of the Helminth, Lizzie knows everything the Helminth knows

past, present and future

[lean garden]

I mean, the orokin are the social elites so theyre all rich

[lean garden]

meanwhile the Entrati Family

[vast willow]

Was thinking bout that

Because you're telling me that a child teenager that listens to music is an executor?

i.e Kaelli

[lunar island]

Yeah my Bad, the ones that injected kuva on their veins for decades

[swift sentinel]

Pretty sure neither Son or Daughter are teenagers

[lean garden]

I mean, they can be blue without that

[vast willow]

Son and Daughter did what!?

[lean garden]

its really a cosmetic thing

[vast willow]

You're telling me that 2 teenagers injected void juice in their veins

[lunar island]

Ooohhh

[lunar island]

They look young but have lived very long

[vast willow]

*For the Orokin

It's like Grogu

[swift sentinel]

For the Orokin, the only reason to look old is cosmetic

[vast willow]

You mean grandmother dagath chose to look like that

[lunar island]

Yes

[swift sentinel]

Yes, she clearly likes being an old lady

[vast willow]

So the Orokin are evolved humans

[lunar island]

Tens of thousands of years

[swift sentinel]

With Continuity, there's no reason that Grandmother could not appear younger than Mother

[pale cedar]

She was perfectly fine losing the Dagath name and being just Grandmother

[vast willow]

What song is Kaelli listening to?

On-Lyne?

[pale cedar]

Party of your lifetime

[lunar island]

After they discovered the kuva and the Void their advances slyrocketed pretty quick

[vast willow]

Kaelli has an artifact from the 1999s!?

[swift sentinel]

It used to be generic instrumental, but they changed it after

[pale cedar]

Infestation canonically transcends time

[tall echo]

They took/take part in it

[vast willow]

Imagine if eBay still existed

[pale cedar]

It unfortunately doesn’t as there’s no internet in the future as the Orokin switched to Ayatan

[vast willow]

I like to imagine that the Orokin have long arms from scrolling on their iPhones

[pale cedar]

The reason behind it is actually funny they did it to represent generosity

[vast willow]

Meanwhile the Grendel story

[digital grail]

I thought it was for ranged peasant smacking

[velvet vault]

Hi, I have a question I've been asking myself for a while, but in the game's lore, who is the strongest Warframe of all?

[pale cedar]

The one you’re using

[lean garden]

Your favourite

[pale cedar]

Power scale of Warframes is pretty much non existent

[tall echo]

Lore-wise, powerscaling is cringe

[pale cedar]

Gameplay wise it is cringe too

[tall echo]

Yeh

[pale cedar]

Frames are purpose built not made to be scaled

[strange turtle]

Even Powerscaling wise it’s cringe, most legit powerscalers probably despise the ones who walk around going on about “warframes are planetary minimum” and “hotter than the sun”

[lime moon]

Become a void angel or become a revenant main

[normal mountain]

I mean, I have wanted a Void Angel frame for a while now...

[violet storm]

We could use some void Angel style skins for Warframes

[normal mountain]

No, not skin (although that would be cool)
An actual frame

[violet storm]

That too

But my question, how would that work?

[normal mountain]

Their creation would probably take notes from Revenant, ngl

Other than that, I have no real idea

Or they'd be some sort of conceptual embodiment, maybe?

This is an ambitious task for someone like myself who has never made a warframe design before

[digital grail]

All of them and none of them depending on mods

[rose estuary]

Also depends on your play style as well

Since there’s enough warframes to where it can suit pretty much any

[quiet ruin]

They were asking about in universe lore not in game

[silk atlas]

If they had a strongest they wouldn't have made over 50 different models

[spice spade]

@silk atlas

[silk atlas]

Yeah, my point still stands

[spice spade]

Really?

[silk atlas]

If they had one Warframe that was strictly better they wouldn't have made so many different variants

[spice spade]

Is there really no lore to whom is arguably the strongest?

[silk atlas]

Or just threw stuff at the wall constantly like how they decided Ivara was a good enough candidate

[quiet ruin]

Making warframes seems to be a blend of art and science, so I dont think they'd just make a good one and accept that as the only one

[spice spade]

I feel like they would for variety of lore dedicated to each character.

[strange plinth]

there's exactly one line that barely applies
chroma is supposedly one of the strongest, according to lotus in the new strange (i think)

[spice spade]

Each strong in their own right.

[quiet ruin]

But to answer, I dont think there is a singular "best" frame because they all seem to serve a specific function rather than be "the best"

Both in universe and in game

[spice spade]

Ah, that is at least something

[spice spade]

Agreed

[spice spade]

That makes sense.

[silk atlas]

It wouldn't add anything except give insufferable people a measuring stick to constantly nag others about their frame being better.

It's an army, you've guys in armies for different things

[spice spade]

True

I think they had spread it out wonderfully when it comes to power/proficiencies/abilities. Also playing into the fact arguably, there is no better Warframe due to such wide variety and balance in my opinion. If I understand what I see correctly.

[quiet ruin]

Since warframe were people once and people are different, warframes are like snowflakes in their variety, its really neat

[silk atlas]

You can still model out a Warframe without having to worry about a person so they're not that special

[quiet ruin]

The people they are made from influence their design. Thats all im saying

[silk atlas]

They can influence it but then there's just "Ballas made Gara because Nihil saying to glass that person was a really good joke"

[quiet ruin]

Contrarian, aren't you.

There is more than enough lore to explain what im saying as fact.

You can still control certain aspects but designs are distorted by the individual

[silk atlas]

And there's also lore that also said it's not always the case. Else then there wouldn't be much point in making blueprints for them in the first go around to make it

It's not that cut and dry

[quiet ruin]

Warframe designs and replications are not the same thing.

If a design isnt distorted then it says something about their character too.

[silk atlas]

Yes Mirage exists and that's the extreme of what your saying, but then Parvos just made a frame design without even considering the human body and that's the extreme of my point

[quiet ruin]

Its still an art form and a product of the creator, base individual aside.

[harsh swan]

I don't think there is a single "strongest" Warframe in the lore but i believe there are contenders for the title based on their unique and powerful abilities

However I do believe that in lore there are also warframes stronger than other's again depending on their unique and powerful abilities but they are all strong in their own ways and missions

Like for example there's Limbo with his control over the Rift and Protea's ability to manipulate time but there's also Saryn prime planetary-scale bio-weaponry and not to mention Xaku's amalgamation of multiple frames but there each different but equally as strong in lore so it really depends on the strengths and weakness of the warframe and there user

Sorry for the rant 😅

[blazing peak]

Jokes on you it's Gauss >:3

[harsh swan]

I do belive gauss is strong in his own sense but there's other warframes such an xaku who's skeletal makes him hard to hit

[lean garden]

I think the major difference here is that while it is possible for something of the like to happen, as it stands it been with edge cases

all other times we have warframe transformations that dont distort the design

[lean garden]

Saryn prime planetary-scale bio-weaponry
To be very fair, she was tasked to eradicate the infestation on earth, which by virtue of the infestation being still on earth, she evidently didnt finish the job

[lean garden]

for instance all 6 of the OG hex

and of the 4 new ones only 1 managed to do something of the like

[quiet ruin]

In conversations in 1999 drifter explains that there are bits of personality that remain in warframes that you can feel. So I interpret that as changes. Even if its not overt always.

[lean garden]

thats drifter explaining what the idle anims are

so like, given how the idle anims work...

its actually counter to your point

[lean garden]

because these are following from the blueprint/strains, which means that injecting someone else with the strain would be also running the chance of shipping that personality fragment over

[spice spade]

How long did New War last? Like in terms of when ||the operator was stabbed to the initial appearance of the drifter||

[lean garden]

No given time actually

[spice spade]

Seems like
Maybe? A long time? Cant tell

[lean garden]

even so: minute changes such has having personality fragments, can they even be constituted as a "distortion" in the design?

I dont think thats the right way about it

if we take how the warframes were originally built before the tenno, the methodology of which by and large was kept and "updated" to fit in the tenno, having a personality fragment is basically a given

what mirage did is actual distortion, a warframe having an idle anim isnt

[wind violet]

does duviri teshin and origin system teshin exist at the same time or separately

[pine mortar]

separately, you find out why in the new war

[fringe sapphire]

We dont know, could have been months to years, we dont have much clue since characters dont seem to age, and we dont have something we can measure to know how much time has pass

[wind violet]

another question, is the 1999 entrati OUR entrati? is he our present day entrati in the origin system or a younger entrati that used the void to travel through time or through dimensions?

[fringe sapphire]

IMO, i say months or up to a year since there is little change, unless some lore fragment explains all

[pale cedar]

Our Entrati

He traveled to the actual past

[spice spade]

Why did he unblue himself

[pale cedar]

He lost his skin

[spice spade]

Is that ironic

[wind violet]

okay and then the indifference i’ve wondered is the man “us” in the sense that our connection to the void is visce versa? like we exist simultaneously as the man within eachother 😔

[pale cedar]

Plus being blue would make it harder to blend in

[spice spade]

New War doesn’t explicitly explain it, iirc
I haven’t played duviri yet so
I might be wrong

[fringe sapphire]

If you go where Loid is (necra one) in necralisk after whispers in the wall, you can read lore entries that are drawings in the wall, it tells you why

[spice spade]

Thank yew

[pale cedar]

It is explained in Duviri fragments

[spice spade]

Ohh
That makes more sense

Idk wth that is yet so

[fringe sapphire]

Around duviri, you can find some small round tablets with a yellow light and an angelic sound that are lore fragments

[fringe sapphire]

Perhaps? We dont know for sure what even the man in the wall even is, we only know what we have seen and understand from its actions

I do even start to wonder if its able to know WE (the players) exist and break the 4th wall

[pale cedar]

Hasn’t been shown the break the 4th wall so far

Can access alternate versions of us and others though

[eager dragon]

I mean, the eyes in the Sanctum follow the camera, not the frame, but that could also just be implying it's watching the Operator.

[oblique siren]

Oh I do love a good 4th wall break, if they decide to do that

In your navigation map, your operator/frame/drifter follow the mouse cursor, which is fine to imagine they are aware of xD

[fringe sapphire]

Might be perhaps too much if it breaks the 4th wall, however, if an omnipresent eldritch entity realizes that there is someone else watching it from outside its own reality, how would it react?

[wind violet]

i get it but at the start of the new war a voice says that “we’re ever existing yet ever changing” or something like that

[fringe sapphire]

Like, wally cant hurt us, we can turn off the game, and DE can just remove it or design a weak spot we can exploit, how would it react to that?

[oblique siren]

Pouty

[fringe sapphire]

Surely lol

[wind violet]

like the eyes that look into duviri? or the vitruvian being which is us and the indifference

[normal mountain]

Might try to pull an Infinity Ultron

of course, since this is a video game and the real world, that wouldn't work nearly as well

[harsh swan]

It could also be the game showing us that the warframe or drifter are looking where our cursor is pointing from their perspective since it's a third person game so we don't see everything they see

[misty salmon]

As long as I don't have to unplug my controller and stick it into a different port.

[bright temple]

https://tenor.com/view/physco-mantis-metal-gear-solid-gif-5194076

[wind violet]

when albericht visited duviri, did he already know about the drifters’ power and that’s why he shot the drifter in 1999 or wha

[vast willow]

So far what do we know about Wally?

He wanted to murder Albrecht

He got his fingers sliced off by the portal closing on them, I assume

The fingers were cloned

Spacecraft with void-jump used finger juice to power them

Wally can shapeshift, but has completely black eyes

He can turn into a Vitruvian man statue somehow

The Lotus met him sometime in the New War, but it was not specified how, when and why.

Albrecht is freaked out about him

[misty salmon]

Unsure, but unlikely. When Albrecht was in Duviri, according to Duviri's timeline, must have been before the Drifter gained the void powers.

[vast willow]

It was definitely before Drifter got his powers

I mean, Albrecht travelled to 1999 way before the New War and is still there so far
Duviri Paradox happened slightly after the New War started, when Natah lost her hand
Drifter got his powers like 85% into the New War

[misty salmon]

There are the possibilities that time in the void/duviri seems to be not linear to time outside, and Albrecht also seems to still have access to a time machine.

Still it is more likely that Albrecht knew the Drifter had void powers by the time he shot them in 1999, simply by observation that they were satisfying the other things that identify a Tenno.... or he's the sort of person who casually murders people and hopes it just works out.

He may have known about the Drifters powers over temporal loops though. He probably would have recognized that Thrax was not the true creator of the Duviri time loop when he visited... and there was only one other "person" there.

[scenic depot]

So until December caliban prime is just a mystery on how he exists?

[misty salmon]

he's got a tiny snippet of lore in his description, some sort of peace treaty show of cooperation project.

[pale cedar]

Not really a mystery

His description and the snippet in Old Peace already show everything we will be told

[woven coyote]

And everything that is needed really

[dense herald]

ok the sacrifice is awsome, I wonder if this is what the survivors see when we leave a area?

and I am at prelude to war does that mean the new war is right after it?

[pine mortar]

should be

[dense herald]

wait is prelude to war the new war in parts?

[pine mortar]

i think it's just one quest, then you start on the new war itself

[dense herald]

but in the quest codex it has 3 parts for prelude

the chimera is the first part

[pine mortar]

oh, right

sorry, been a while

but yeah, those are separate from the new war itself

[strange plinth]

new war is hidden for some reason until after prelude is done, yeah

[distant lagoon]

Prelude to War is a series of interactible cutscenes

We got like 1 a year between Sacrifice and New War

Make of them what you will, they really muddied the waters and still ask more questions than they answer to this day

[dense herald]

wait so prelude isn't constantly doing defense or searching missions but watching cutscenes?

[lofty rune]

at the time it was released, there were several operations alongside it, but now that those operations are over it's just the cutscenes

[digital grail]

Technically playing cutscenes

[dense herald]

ok gonna do it now I was going to put it off for tomorrow thinking it will be a long set of missions to complete

[dense herald]

do I do it? or wait till tomorrow?

I won't complete it today but I can quit anytime right?

[normal mountain]

Anytime, ish
There are multiple checkpoints where your progress is saved
But you won't be able to resume your regularly scheduled warframe until you finish it

[dense herald]

yeah it's best to start early then

[humble sierra]

You're initially led to believe that it's ||been years, and that the Drifter is the Operator who somehow survived being stabbed at the cost of their powers||.

[restive river]

It’s like 4-6 hours

[plush walrus]

Maan, I wish I was walking randomly and and Lotus hand fell and attached itself to me. I'd use my powers for good, regardless what my search history showed.....

[simple spire]

https://tenor.com/view/zaunvi-caitvitwt-gif-1251875630135871970

[normal mountain]

Hours?
I was inclined to think of it as 4-6 weeks
Given Nora's first broadcast

[rose estuary]

Cap

[restive river]

The quest
Not the timeskip :p

[normal mountain]

I see

[dense herald]

was the game supposed to log us out after the ||bastard stabbed us?||

and how far am I in the quest since I got ||stabbed?||

[pine mortar]

i want to say you're a third of the way through

and no, that was just excellent timing on its part

[normal mountain]

Yes, the game is supposed to do that
You get a special login screen when you come back

[pine mortar]

oh, it HAS been a while then

[untold acorn]

Dw bro you'll enjoy the lore and gameplay of new war when u get it especially when you get the || naturak it's a good bow / weapon for starters||

[dense herald]

||.....WE AGED!!!????||

I am hooked but my operator looks so much better now please don't tell me we go back to zits

I really want to know

but man that tenshin stage was PAIN

same as the corpus warrior

[pine mortar]

it is optional

[dense herald]

??

[pine mortar]

you'll understand when you get there

[dense herald]

hmm but I should be approaching halfway right?

[pine mortar]

about a third of the way if i remember?

[dense herald]

but is the stealth parts past me or am I in for much more?

[pine mortar]

i can't remember exactly, but i don't think there's too much more of that thankfully

[mystic lynx]

This is probably already explained but the original warframes (ie. Excal, Mag, Temple, Cyte, etc) technically comes first before proto right? Albercht just basically bring the bp of those back in time to make proto

[normal mountain]

Have you done anything in Fortuna yet?

[dense herald]

no

[normal mountain]

Then you ain't seen nothing yet

My condolences in advance

[restive river]

The only proto to survive into the Orokin Era is Flare/Temple as Kaya transported them to a comet that would return in time for the night of the naga drums

[mystic lynx]

I haven't reach this yet do i need to befriend those 2 first or something? I've been neglecting my KIM for a while

[dense herald]

yeh I'm gonna watch a youtube video on that section ahead of time

so I can get an idea of how scuffed it is and cheesing methods

[strange plinth]

the fortuna stealth sections? they've never been scuffed when i played them
and the fov of the things you need to avoid are pretty obvious, though they're hidden around a corner on occasion

[dense herald]

do I get to gank the bastard at least?

[normal mountain]

Eh...
Sorta

[dense herald]

my 6th sense is telling me that the so called brother we see is just a puppet of ballas

[normal mountain]

Erra?
Hmmm
Maybe

[dense herald]

one thing I don't understand how many grineer queens are there? and how did they get the scepter in the first place?

idk if I missed something during that quest chain

[normal mountain]

War Within specifically
There are only two Queens
And they are Orokin

[dense herald]

how tf did they become grineer queens?

[normal mountain]

They just got tired of using Continuity on cloned bodies

[normal mountain]

They're twins
And the rest of the Orokin prize uniqueness
So they were outcast

[dense herald]

prize uniqueness?