lore-discussion

[smoky lake]

Oh alright

[amber bridge]

My Drifter already Did a Time Paradox and Such, Why not Another

[dire mountain]

When you can't even say

[quiet ruin]

Mr snake its such an honor

[lean garden]

-# No one hears a word, they say

[amber bridge]

-# Has the memory gone? Are you feeling numb?

[pale cedar]

<@&778745217037238293>

[lilac aspen]

“I AM A GOD AND I WILL NOT BE MOCKED BY A MERE CHIL-“

Rhino and I reaction:

[lilac aspen]

He seems like he’s quite a solid person

He might be a snake though

[brittle siren]

What is this guy even talking about????

[glacial bough]

The usually headcanon nonsense

[brittle siren]

Like every Old Peace is the past denier

[digital grail]

Its literally called the OLD peace

[brittle siren]

"It definitely another timeline cuz DE never mentioned this"

That is their reason

[digital grail]

DE not mentioning stuff that never happens

But in all seriousness it does fill out space in the timeline probably

[eager dragon]

Cool headcanon, completely no reason to believe it to be true to be honest. Bro clearly has never heard of Occam's Razor lol.

[misty salmon]

Old Peace Retirement Community: "Are you tired of being a child soldier in an unending conflict zone? Crippled after a long, or very short, voyage through the void? Suffering from a bioweapon infestation and finding you're forgetting important things like the names of family members? What if you could just, retire? Join us at the welcoming Old Peace Retirement Community and leave your concerns behind. The Old Peace, it's your future."

[lean garden]

crackheads forget that you dont need eternalism to do shrimple mind control

[lilac aspen]

They acting like Ballas, a guy who is part of a faction known for their technological advances that to this day every faction wants heavily, couldn’t just idk

Invent a device that brainwashes you to see what you want in life

[eager dragon]

He didn't need to invent anything, even

The corrupted exist

Clearly the Orokin already had brainwashing tech

[strange turtle]

Hell even without that

There’s like 3 warframes that do this or some variation

[oblique siren]

Something I've been thinking about lately re: Jade Shadows--

The Operator went through labour and we haven't really talked about that xD

[feral cape]

I read veil and thought this was some crackpot destiny x warframe theory im loosing it chat

[oblique siren]

I'd be down to read a fun/silly or seriously thought out Destiny x Warframe fanfic.

I think my Hunter with a knack for making Glitter Bombs should get to antagonize Nef Anyo

[pale cedar]

Finally something that isn’t Guardian vs Warframe

[oblique siren]

I think Guardians and Warframes should be friends

[north jolt]

The veils were just vr headsets tuned to a individual's specific desires. Not EVERYTHING in Warframe has to be so convoluted and mysterious

[oblique siren]

Streams Alt-Right news directly to your eyeballs

[misty salmon]

Alternate Reality TV

[north jolt]

Twist: it just beams Wisp booty hypno gifs to everyone

[misty salmon]

😒 there will be nun of that.

[eager dragon]

That was a horrible pun, please, stop. /j

[oblique siren]

Never stop: puns are the best

[north jolt]

Also in a way "eternalism" is kinda no more, at least for our operator/driftor. All versions of them kinda merged into a prime individual, or however you want to look at it

Basically the reality our tenno is experiencing might as well be THE main or base reality

[pale cedar]

Well there’s the Zariman mention that others do still exist all in the Zariman incident

[north jolt]

Yeah I'm not entirely sure how to explain it tbh

Like maybe they (that we play) exist outside of eternalism or something?

[pale cedar]

I’d say Wally just spun it and killed the ones in the way not all of them

[oblique siren]

Not the impression I get: Yuna o. The Zariman says we "Embody" eteranlism

[north jolt]

Just like how Wally embodies the void

Wait it just occurred to me
Operator/driftor: embodies eternalism (which encompasses basically all of time and creation)

Wally: embodies the void (which exists outside of time and encompasses chaos and disorder)

The dualism is coming in strong

[chrome frost]

hmmm by the way could the Narmer veils be considered an improved version of the orokin neural sentry veils?

[misty salmon]

I'd think cheap mass produced and inferior knockoff that happened to be what he could get with currently available technology.

[eager dragon]

Yeah, it's probably the equivalent of the iron-man suit made in a cave with a box of scraps

[chrome frost]

wait isnt narmer partially comprised of sentients and is supposedly keeping a connection with the lords of tau?

[eager dragon]

The first yes, the latter no

[chrome frost]

Pazu- oh wait hes nuts i forgot

[eager dragon]

More likely than not none of the Sentients have any idea as to what is going on in Tau

Assuming that Tau is actually Serius, the latency is probably just a couple years.

[misty salmon]

and even if they are in communication (unlikely) unless/until they rebuild the solar rails they don't have any method of moving material

[eager dragon]

But I doubt they do because that would be absolutely noticed by others in the Origin System

[eager dragon]

Yeah, which is from what I know is the main community theory on what Pazuul is building.

And is how I hope we will get to Tau in 2026

[chrome frost]

pazuul does yap alot about tau

[misty salmon]

Pazuul is trying his best to be a Vor impersonator.

[eager dragon]

"Bite my head clean off, Mother! That's where the good meat is! Suck the guts until the little legs kick, kick, kick!"

[chrome frost]

Look at him, coming to this system to steal vor's identity! Only HE VOR knows the true-

[chrome frost]

hmmm does that imply that pragasa was the one to shove pazuuls head onto era?

[eager dragon]

Praghasa is Brain Dead and has been since Scarlet Spear

[chrome frost]

well couldnt she still be used as a tool by narmer priests to do it then?

[eager dragon]

More likely then not, it was the Archons, who themselfs were probably reanimated via the Deacons

[chrome frost]

speaking of archons isnt it kind of interesting that unlike the other 3 pazuul seems to have something of a split personality disorder?

[eager dragon]

That's 'cause Pazuul was fused between 2 Sentients

While the other Archons use empty warframes

[half vortex]

Yeah, there's speculation on whether Erra is still at all aware in there. Or dead-dead and Pazuul is messing with us.

[feral cape]

That scene in the new war is more than likely a timeloop collapsing

[lilac aspen]

I always thought it was just all the timelines where Drifter died trying to survive on the Zariman (before Duviri manifested)

[eager dragon]

I assumed it was all the timelines where Wally didn't offer the deal

So they went insane/were killed by their Parents

[lilac aspen]

That too could be the case

[quiet ruin]

I always took it as our deal with wally was culling all our "possibilities" aka every version of us except the operator and drifter died on the zariman

Which made me think maybe that's what wally feeds on. Potential

[lilac aspen]

But Wally really doesn’t need to feed on anything

It just
Exists

Also if that was the case for the deal then Wally wouldn’t be saying we aren’t keeping our end of the deal

Even goes as far as assuming we were attempting to “loophole” the deal with the whole Drifter Operators situation or something and says “That doesn’t work though.”

[quiet ruin]

Wally can add more and also continue to feed on future outcomes.

We dont know what wally feeds on, if it feeds, if it has goals, desires,etc. Thats completely unknown to us.

Since wally never told us what we bargained for, he can try to milk as much as he wants out of us

Point being. Our deal can only be speculation at this point. Man in the wall has yet to show any cards besides being upset when we try to follow albrects plans

[dense herald]

is the a lore reason why our ship looks like a "tadpole"?

the shape just hit me

[quiet ruin]

Its cute :)

[oblique siren]

I can't remember where in the game I heard this
I think one of our lovely animal friends in Whispers? therorized Wally is lonely
And I kinda hope we can help Wally in the end

[lost lion]

Well the ship we see is just the lander part of the orbiter so maybe the orbiter is actually frog shaped?

[half vortex]

Aww, sounds like something Bird 3 would speculate. Very cute.

[oblique siren]

I think it was Bird 3 or Tagfer (i think that's the lil'guy's name. Not Fibonacci)

[narrow pendant]

u can see the full orbiter after new war

[half vortex]

Tagfer also makes sense, since he's also lonely from being the last of his kind and the tragedy associated with it, but it does feel like a Bird 3 sort of line.

[oblique siren]

Tagfer makes me very sad :c

[half vortex]

Fibonacci is so full of himself, until later ranks up with the Cavia. Made me feel bad for him.

I so badly want to give Tagfer hugs. 1 more rank up.

[narrow pendant]

wally frequently mentions Khra; we and as we began, so if we do something about wally it will likely mirror his creation

[oblique siren]

I can't wait to learn more! Im working on leveling with Necraloid and The Zariman

[oblique siren]

WE CAN HUG HIM?!

[half vortex]

Oh, the story that unfolds as you rank up with the Zariman is such a head trip, it's great.

[half vortex]

At rank 5, yeah! I can't wait.

[oblique siren]

Y e a h I just got tooooo rank 3 I think and Im just -head in hands-

[dense herald]

really? so why don't we see the whole ship?

[analog glade]

I still love how the lander is smaller on the outside then the inside.

[oblique siren]

I dont think we're in the Lander when we're in our Orbiter

[analog glade]

check the Base camp

TBH The lander changes size depending on which exit you have in what map. The closest you can ever see it is in base camp

[misty salmon]

lander is the "cockpit" area, while everything down the ramp is sections of the front part of the Orbiter

[oblique siren]

Oh! you're right. I'd forgotten.

[lost lion]

When you’re in your ship you’re in the whole orbiter, with the top bit where nav is being the lander you fly in. The bottom area with the Arsenal and everything is a separate thing thou

[humble sierra]

Someone on tvtropes believes that "Ordis is a Cephalon in charge of operating your Liset. In biology, cephalon refers to the head section of arthropods" and the Liset actually looks more like an arthropod

This is the full Orbiter btw

[sly pagoda]

Ordis is who flies our landing craft, though I would assume the operator is trained in flying it manually should the need arise. I would assume there is not much to flying orbiter when its in station keeping.

though obviously collision avoidance

[oblique siren]

Ordis hands Operator a controller, but it's unplugged

[dense herald]

cool how big is it? I ask because i wanna know if the railjack is as big or if it fits in the orbiter

[patent cargo]

railjack can't fit in the orbiter. you can actually see the railjack hovering above the orbiter if you look up in the big hallway just outside navigation(where your arsenal, etc is)

[dense herald]

so which is bigger?

iirc when I was on a railjack it felt big

[glacial bough]

Orbiter overall

[dire basin]

im curious as to the Tale about Sevagoth and hydroid fighting, from what i read from the sevagoth Glaukus skin description. it was essentially believed to be mostly made up before they returned to the void to carry on the battle, i presume

[wild wharf]

Hydroid and sevagoth fought?

[humble sierra]

I think it's specific to their deluxe skins

[misty salmon]

why must games be so pay to win lore?

[rare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-metal-gear-metal-gear-rising-hideo-kojima-samuel-rodrigues-gif-25232446

[sturdy arrow]

@hollow cradle Thoughts on Old Peace???

[sturdy arrow]

Pocket-Railjack

[sturdy arrow]

Do you mean the landing craft or the Orbiter itself?

[tribal cape]

Patient Zero was released before Second Dream, but now The War Within is a prerequisite to the quest… so what's Alad V's chronology currently? Are older Alad-related Operations canon?

[strange plinth]

Alad V's shenanigans are all over the place and completely out of order in the modern game, unfortunately
the favor from alad v mentioned in second dream is from the mutalist stuff he does, but a new player has no idea what favor he's talking about, nor do you actually get the favor from Patient Zero (iirc)
i assumed it was something off-screen or just something i'd missed, but no, it straight up Isn't There
the amalgam stuff is already present on jupiter before he would actually make the deal with the sentients in the build up to the new war, when it should only be the zanuka stuff when you pass through the first time

[tribal cape]

:/

I was making a flowchart of lore connections between quests and operations but it started to break causality with Alad

[analog glade]

Yea, Alad is quite complex with how his quests came to us, and how they actually line up in lore.

[analog glade]

You know I'm realizing, they out of all the boss fights. Vay hek is the only one mechanically we never kill, lore wise quite a few make it out alive.

[tribal cape]

Most of them, I think

[tribal cape]

well, I guess I'm done halfway through then, quests, Baro- and Darvo-related events were added, but without figuring out Alad there's no reason to continue

[lilac aspen]

So fun fact most of his lore is from events that are no longer around

So Warframe players that have been around from the start would explain Alad V stuff better

But if you use those events and what occurs in them
It does let you comprehend the plot line a little better

His second Dream Favor is actually called in when Stalker sends the Acolytes after him.

[oblique siren]

Do we know why DE changed the order of the quests?

[pale cedar]

They didn’t other than Duviri

Duviri getting moved was because it being so early is a bad thing

[tall echo]

(It's still accessible too early)

[pale cedar]

Indeed

Should be pushed more

[oblique siren]

yeah, I started Duviri, and had three friends immediately tell me to wait until after New War

[dense herald]

landing craft

all this time I thought the ship we arrive in wis where we were crafting in

because that's what we saw when we are in a team

wait why tf do we see the landing craft and not the oribitor when we are in a team?

[sturdy arrow]

Because you’re all landing into A mission

[eager dragon]

Probably 'cause the full thing would take too much screenspace

[dense herald]

that don't make no sense, I am in my orbitor and can see my teamate landing craft in space

boo

[eager dragon]

And would conflict with the customisation

Since we can only change the landing craft appearance

[sturdy arrow]

An Orbiter shouldn’t be deployed for non-long-distance travel or non-orbiting

[dense herald]

but we are orbiting when we are in space no?

[sturdy arrow]

You can, however, invite people aboard your Orbiter, so maybe their landing craft is for docking with your Orbiter

[sturdy arrow]

The moon is A satellite simply because it’s orbiting around Earth, but we don’t call space travel orbiting because we aren’t just casually going ‘round A planet

[strange turtle]

Shouldn’t Waverider come from Heart of Deimos?

You only need Vox Solaris for it but it takes place after HoD since grandmothers involved

[tribal cape]

You're right, Deimos mus have left Void for her to place order

Probably

[pale cedar]

It left the Void the moment the Heart was breaking down

[tall echo]

And who knows when that started happening

[tribal cape]

Deimos left Void with HoD quest

So it adds up

[tall echo]

Hmmmmmm

[tribal cape]

I also figured Saya's Vigil should be before Revenant since MoR sort of continues Eidolon story

[tall echo]

Yes

[dire basin]

yes, that come with their own Boss music

[tall echo]

There's also MoR needing operator mode while saya doesn't

[tribal cape]

Actually

Does Deimos appear on Star Chart before HoD is unlocked?

[pale cedar]

No, because Heart of Deimos added it to the game removing another location

[eager dragon]

He meant can a new player see it on the starchart before the quest is unlocked, I think, not wheter Deimos was there before the Heart of Deimos update. (Or maybe I misunderstood you).

Because I think new players can indeed see Deimos

Although I might be wrong

[silk atlas]

You can

[pale cedar]

Tbh I saw it when it released think it was just the other moon they hid

I do wonder if Warframe came with all the planets from the get go

[tribal cape]

That's what I meant, thank you

[stiff beacon]

holy shit dude good work

[tribal cape]

not yet, but thank you

I figure, in current timeline Alad first made Zanuka, then helped during Second Dream, became Infested, got healed, got tricked into working with Sentient nad was last seen trying to capitulate to them

[lean garden]

I feel like given the no-longer existent events, it has to be zanuka then getting infested

[stiff beacon]

i mean yea

[lean garden]

hmmm but you did raise the issue of war within being a req

[analog glade]

I'd have to double check, but Alad V has the face scar from being infested during second dream IIRC

[tribal cape]

I KNOW

But Patient Zero isn't uncloked until after Second Dream

hence the problem

[analog glade]

might be hindsight of the developers.

quite often we are told the story out of sync

[stiff beacon]

yea doesnt help that also reorganize the star chart every so often

[eager dragon]

Often enough that even their own quest guide is currently out of order.

[stiff beacon]

the modding quest coming in fall aint gonna help

that

[tribal cape]

Was there any lore with Fusion MOA event or just "murder enemies"?

[eager dragon]

Like, that page is so good for showing baby tenno what they need to do.

But it's pointless if DE will never update it.

[tribal cape]

it's going to be even bigger mess with The Teacher

[strange plinth]

ah yes, you're correct
i misremembered the favor and the patient zero - second dream connection because i forgot about the acolytes lmao
scars from being infested show in second dream, favor from second dream is used in shadow debt
but yeah, my point was that most of his lore is no longer in the game, and what is isn't in the correct order when you unlock it

[trim kettle]

all i know about salad v is that he did the zanuka hound thing, created the amalgam corpus, maybe did valkyr stuff, then got gross and flew away

[strange plinth]

zanuka (+valkyr) > infested > healed > second dream > shadow debt > amalgam > whatever happens to him in new war
i believe is his basic timeline
(i don't know when shadow debt occurs) i've been corrected

[analog glade]

Salad V needs a bit more time in the crisper drawer and a good tossing.

[dense herald]

from a lore point of view when should I do devuri paradox and when do you all suggest I do it? I am on neptune rn

[strange plinth]

wait until after new war

[dense herald]

ok will do

[tribal cape]

Shadow Debt is right after Second Dream

[lilac aspen]

Right after second dream

[tribal cape]

I went with something like that, should include everything to Prelude to War that's relevant for plot, lore or character arcs

eh, missing Nightwave, w/e

[stiff beacon]

ah yes wolf of saturn six aka mr. x decided to jump universes to beat the shit out of more people

[stiff beacon]

is the complete flow chart?

[tribal cape]

Nope xD

Just most important quests and events leading to Prelude to War

Excluding Nightwave

[stiff beacon]

So sacrifice isn't important?

[tribal cape]

Oh dear! Missed it somehow

Thanks for spotting

[stiff beacon]

lol

[tribal cape]

On the other hand

I remember finishing Waverider before HoD and the granny is just anonymized

oh, I should add Ambulas Reborn, too

[stiff beacon]

when you realize warframe has more content then you remember

[stiff beacon]

how the hell does that work

[lilac aspen]

Granny super powers

[misty salmon]

Different inbox message and Boon's line about sussing out the buyer on Deimos gets tweaked?

[narrow pendant]

does anyone know what arthur's kinepage actually does / is referring to?

[proper barn]

okay before now it had different stuff on it regularly as a teaser. it's arthur thinking Aoi or someone took it when we took it.

[narrow pendant]

ahh

[misty salmon]

see https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Kinepage for the messages.

[restive river]

It related to the ARG, it’d switch messages to lead players to different 1999 sites

Last one lead to the bike site and it never got updated again, unfortunately
There was a time where you would just log in and there’d be a new message, it was really cool

[humble sierra]

The last three were clues for the ARG, telling you to go check the shops at the mall or the websites

[winter berry]

I like to imagine he signed it up for as many spam calls as he could when he realized he wasn’t getting it back, hence the ARG clues

[lethal marsh]

so... we have all the protoframes and stuff but where is Saryn? Or Minerva? I haven't seen her in the story or anywhere really

[humble sierra]

Rank 5 with the Hex

More Protoframes show up, including Minerva (Saryn), Velimir (Frost), Kaya (Nova) and Flare (Temple)

[restive river]

Minerva is with Velimir at the bar

[lethal marsh]

oh I see. thanks

[normal mountain]

Rank 4 gets you Flare, the rest will start talking to you at Rank 5

[rose estuary]

I’m confused about 1999 is it like its own separate void dimension thingie like duviri or does it exist in the same dimension/timeline as ours? If it does how is the orokin, Tenno, etc even able to exist since it’s a loop? And if so how was albrecht able to even go to 1999 to create the protoframes?

Basically how is 1999 even able to exist as it does in game?

[bright temple]

Timeloop within an altered past, but still same timeline as things that happen in the loop can still come to influence the modern day (ie the Coda, Flare, etc). But it’s still so far into the past that it doesn’t affect the development of anything major timeline-wise.

As like, for example, after 1999 there’s still 18 radiation wars that decimate the Earth.

[eager dragon]

I'm assuming the timeloop gets broken eventually.

[bright temple]

Assumedly, hopefully

With Kaya there’s the option for the protos to come to the modern age, if they wish

[shell robin]

Is it possible for a operator to be captured?

[normal mountain]

Seems so
Voruna Leverian

[misty salmon]

This one is probably not captured from a combat situation though. This is a guy who is already on Lua, and has all the security clearances of a member of the seven. He probably had them delivered from the reservoir.

[shell robin]

What if they were captured by sentients?

[normal mountain]

New War is the closest we get to that, I think

Also Hidden Messages, but that one probably doesn't count
Mirage's Op was likely still Dreaming on Lua

[misty salmon]

We know they can force an op out of the warframe, but I don't know of any evidence that they can actually contain an op for any length of time afterwards.

[half vortex]

I think it was suggested that some of the OG warframes still maintained their autonomy shortly after the Night of Naga Drums, even as out-of-game late as Gauss and Grendel. Even Dante might have had some awareness outside of his operator, though Loid was speculating how much of his intelligence was him, how much was his operator.

So OG Mirage might not have had an operator.

Granted, the old story quests are a little... shaky with how compatible they are with current lore.

Like what was up with the Chroma in New Strange?

[strange plinth]

i don't think Dante ever had an operator
the leverians are intentionally vague on if the frame being talked about had an operator, as drusus doesn't know about the difference between warframe and tenno
but the way Loid talks about Dante implies that it was just a frame i believe

[digital echo]

rogue spectre iirc

but yeah, dont really like how the whole thing with Chroma ended as abruptly as it started

[barren jasper]

wait so for the hex quest, who created the loop? because in the first playthrough we get a message from albrecht informing us that the loop is now altered. was it just a time loop before because of him? was it just a time loop every time we died and somehow this one attempt during the mission was the right one that caused us to take control of the loop?

also I forget why are we still keeping the loop going if we are stopping the reactor exposion every time

[half vortex]

Yeah, that would make sense, but it sure held a lot of autonomy for a spectre. Feels like they meant to do more with the plot and then just... didn't.

[strange plinth]

albrecht powered the loop with the reactor explosion, drifter seems to be powering it now
we have to safeguard the "correct" outcome of the year, which is why the loop continues

[barren jasper]

why do we have to safegaurd it? isnt the indifference just gone atp?

at least from hollvania?

[eager dragon]

Do we know if they could do that in the Old War? 'Cause Orphix Fields are post-Jovian Concord)

I guess they could have still attempted to capture the Op during the New War, although I imagine we would have heard of that then.

[eager dragon]

I'm assuming the loop is forced

Whether the Drifter wants to or not, it will loop

[strange plinth]

if we leave, it could return
whatever our changes are will drift back to the original, probably

[eager dragon]

There is no reason for them to keep the loop otherwise

[eager dragon]

To be fair, the reactor not blowing up is probably the original

[strange plinth]

i don't remember the exact wording of the email from arthur
"Albrecht's gone. Rusalka too. I can't believe how close we came to oblivion. You showed us what we were missing. For that... thank you.
You still need to keep the loop going, though, don't you? Because it's not enough to put things right, is it. We need to keep them right.
Soldiers against the tide. Now and forever."

[strange plinth]

true, reactor's only going to explode because of albrecht

[misty salmon]

tbf we know very little of their capabilities during the old war. I don't recall anything from the Old War flashback scenes. It's quite possible that they didn't and that's a new tool that they developed with Alad's help and the benefit of hindsight on what fighting the tenno is like.

I'm also thinking that it would really suck to be doing archwing around an Orphix field.

[eager dragon]

I think Operation Orphix Venom confirmed that Orphix Fields disabling Warframes at the very least is new, no?

From what I remember it was the combination of nullifiers from the Jovian Concord and Natah's expertise on Tenno Transference

[strange plinth]

"Back in the Old War, Orphix Sentients would hit us with pulses. Shut down anything more sophisciated than a lump hammer. Well, the Orphix are back. Only this time, someone's taught them how to override your Warframes."
the pulses existed, but affecting warframes is new

[eager dragon]

Ok, yeah, that's the part I was referring too ('cause we were talking about Operator capture and what not).

I probably should have used better wording.

I'll fix it

[lilac aspen]

Tbf the knowledge that warframes are piloted by a bunch of Void powered orphans is heavily guarded

Though in Loid’s case he could actually be talking about Dante

Warframes are weird

[misty salmon]

do we have a good list of who did know the secret?
Ballas, Margulis, Lotus are definite
Torval seems to have, making it likely for the rest of the Seven
Albrecht is likely to have, though it's unclear how he was involved
The Quills and associates know, probably means that the Unum knows
What we've seen of Old Peace seems to indicate that the Tauron Academy knew
Stalker didn't until Hunhow spilled the beans, Hunhow was told by Ballas in the late days of the Old War before Erra attacked the Reservoir looking for Natah
Erra presumably knows from Hunhow then.

[strange plinth]

hunhow would've known when he got the vitruvian, no?

[lilac aspen]

Hunhow knew because Ballas sent him the info
Hunhow then sent Erra to the reservoir, which means he told Erra

[misty salmon]

right, that's where he picks it up from... probably before Erra's attack then.

Corrected.

[silk atlas]

The Queens learned from Teshin.

But this was "modern day" stuff and not Old War

[lilac aspen]

Thinking about it now ever since Jade’s Shadow quest

Stalker not being able to kill the Tenno right then and there the moment he saw them outside of the pod was because he was going to be a father.

Bro could not kill a kid until Hunhow managed to talk him into it shortly afterwards when the Tenno was escaping and Stalker ambushed them on the Orbiter

[misty salmon]

hmm, why did Teshin know it? Was he one of the Dax guards of the Reservoir? (and honestly how did he live through the intervening years, everyone else hopping on ice and Teshin just casually being very old)

[lilac aspen]

The Conclave made him immortal/j

[misty salmon]

He made a pact with Wally that he can not die until the Conclave is a popular game mode /j

[silk atlas]

He learned it from TSD

[misty salmon]

I don't think so, Teshin knows far more about Margulis and some of the early Tenno history than came out of TSD. I think he was there, then, for at least some of it.

[high bay]

Is there an in universe difference between the Infested we see in the derelicts around Deimos and the Infested we see on Eris/Mercury/Dark Sectors?

[tall echo]

Different strains

[high bay]

Because the Infested inhabiting the Orokin derelicts are older than the ones bouncing around Eris?

[trim kettle]

perhaps, also deimos is a complete infested thing

theyve created a whole ecosystem vs the ranging infestation are more just to spread

[normal mountain]

Talking about the Deimos derelicts, not the Gray Strain

[trim kettle]

Oh my bad

[stiff beacon]

yea bud, its called the derelict strain for a reason @high bay

[tall echo]

Just different strains, no clear explanation behind it

[barren jasper]

I wish lotus bringing back the moon actually affected the tides but cetus remains unphased

[misty salmon]

Good point. I suppose Unum told them to build up from the beach for better omens.

or even they have a limit to how much whale tower meat smell they can endure.

[restive river]

Or the Orokin had something in place in the event Lua had to go into the void / reappear from it

[quiet ruin]

a little while back we were discussing the mechanics of the 1999 loops and what hex remembers, and this convo I just had w/ Arthur i think clears it up a bit more for why the hex sometimes acts like they won't remember things, but other times are aware of the loop.
They probably operate on the assumption that there is more than they remember and act accordingly regardless of whether or not you have reset anything.

in game mechanic (obviously) AND in lore, it's entirely up to the drifter to decide what is worth remembering, preserving their sanity etc, so chances are there's a lot of loops you simply don't allow hex to remember and you are the only one living with it.

Feeling so captain obvious right now for overthinking it.

[oblique siren]

Just got to rank four with the Zariman, and that's an interesting tidbit of info. That it ||wasn't the adults of the Zariman that went feral. The parents did.||

[proper barn]

Yes.

You are correct.

[oblique siren]

That has really interesting implications!!!

MAN I really like this story
Like
Really like it

[proper barn]

Have you gotten to 1999 yet?

You can discuss this with some 1999 Characters. Make sure to turn "all conversations on" @oblique siren

In the kim computer settings when you get there.

[oblique siren]

Ooooh

I did some of rhe starter stuff of 1999, but then went back to focus on getting high standing with the groups that came before

[proper barn]

Yee

[silent sorrel]

Hey, curious question, has it ever been explicitly explained how the Lotus managed to hide Lua? Hubby and I have this fan-concept for a Warframe tied to the moon and Philippine folklore.

[strange plinth]

implied to be the same orokin tech that brought it back from the void
deimos was also in the void through likely similar means

[bright temple]

✨ Orokin technology ✨

[proper barn]

it is orokin tech in the old war. yeah.

[digital grail]

Orkin bull crap GO!

[silent sorrel]

Yeah, that checks out. Thank you for answering
Orokin tech just seem to tie in nicely to this warframe we'd like to see.

[raw stone]

To be fair, we thought the Jade Light was another Orokin Machine before Jade was unveiled and revealed to be either the Battery for the Jade Light or the Jade Light itself.

Go for your fan-concept. It'll be as related as Jade is to previous concepts we've heard abt.

[strange plinth]

Jade Light existed before Jade was made into a frame iirc
she just became another execution chamber
someone gets disintegrated by the jade light just before sentients are proposed to the Seven, which is before warframes were ever made

[lean garden]

jade light would have existed before jade since it was used even before the sentients were sent to Tau

[strange turtle]

Jade’s just the Jade Light warframe, not the actual source of it

Like Protea and the Entrati’s time stuff

[feral cape]

We?

We still think that

[glacial bough]

Mostly, but not entirely most the parents. We know there were still regular adults that lost it at some level from the Zariman ARG

[swift sentinel]

That might be just regular crazy, not Indifference caused directly

[stoic zealot]

is there a website that lists every prex card for my codex so i know which ones i need?

[pale cedar]

I have all the ones you get by picking up so I can just tell you the ones you're missing

[tall echo]

Every leverian and caliban, cyte, gyre, oraxia

[humble sierra]

Sevagoth, Citrine, Koumei, Xaku, Titania, Vauban, Protea, Dagath

definitely more

[tall echo]

Just for the codex

[humble sierra]

Ah yep

[tall echo]

A ton of prex aren't in the codex, not sure if the hub pickup ones or oraxia are even in it

[fluid panther]

Idk where to say this, but do you know if by any chance The Man in The Wall design is based on Pink Floyds "The Wall" cover?

[lean garden]

they've talked about the design in one of the tennocons in the past 5 years, unfortunately I dont think The Wall is part of the design process

[fluid panther]

Ok, thank you

[faint spire]

So I recently got up to date on the Warframe lore enough to show up here, but I still have a question about the new war. Why does Hunhow help us against Narmer? I don't wanna look a Nataruk in the mouth but it literally takes like 5 seconds of playing hard to get to convince him to go from "go to hell" to "and my bow"

[stoic zealot]

what is the old peace and is that big blue guy in the pictures albrecht entrati

[quiet ruin]

i think he's largely just base do the Vitruvian man.

Idk if i can post a pic of it for (artistic) nudity sake, but there's a lot of relief carvings that are a very clear influence

[lean garden]

The Old Peace is a time of peace that happens during the Old War. That big blue guy? The one you see as a hologram in the Tauron school? Thats Ballas

[lean garden]

because he wants Natah to be free

[faint spire]

So does he still hate us now that we freed Natah? Or is Hunhow a full on good guy now?

[tall echo]

Neutral

[lean garden]

He remains, the great and terrible hunhow

[eager dragon]

I mean, in Jade Shadows he convinces Stalker to seek help from the Tenno. Take that as you will.

[stoic zealot]

is albrecht entrati a bad guy

and why does his voice change throughout his lore fragments

[eager dragon]

He's... in a gray area

Personally I like him

I know alot of people who don't though

[pale cedar]

He's old

[humble sierra]

He wants to help us save the Lotus. She was dying and the only way to heal her was with the archon shards. He might also have wanted Erra to not be working with an Orokin

[tribal cape]

maybe he caught up on what he missed

like Tenno murdering the Orokin

[eager dragon]

I think more likely than not he realised that ultimately we aren't holding Natah prisoner, but that she wants to be the Lotus.

[faint spire]

So it's a "oh you don't hate the sentients specifically, you just commit unilateral genocide on literally everything in the galaxy so I guess we can be friends"

[humble sierra]

Drifter "recruits" Hunhow with specifically helping the Lotus in mind

Drifter: "She lives, Hunhow."

[The Stalker looks to Hunhow and releases the pressure on the Drifter's neck slightly.]

Hunhow: "No. She only lingers… and without her kind, not for long. Their search for her remains has long since begun. The Shadow can dispatch you swiftly. A mercy. The Archons will not…."

Drifter: "What do they want?"

Hunhow: "The same as you… to raise the dead. Only they have the power to do it… unlike you."

[The Stalker releases the Drifter and steps away to the side. The Drifter gets to their feet, rubbing their neck.]

Hunhow: "You are just as incomplete as she is. No metal beasts. No Void fury. They will snap you in half and plant a veil on your face."

Drifter: "Not if you help me."

[The Stalker snaps his head around to look at the Drifter in surprise. Hunhow chuckles.]

Hunhow: "Help you? Of course. What are friends for? Let me explain what you are up against, 'friend'. You see, the Archons were made by my son, Erra. Hybrid abominations of the Old War… raised from the blighted battlefields where Sentient and warframe fell."

[spice spade]

was loid mad when albrecht left him

[lean garden]

quite

you see it in Whispers of the Walls

[spice spade]

what did he do

i forget it by now

[lean garden]

well he tore a page out of alby's grimoire and kept it ahidden

[spice spade]

Omg-

is that bad

why he need that page

[lean garden]

he didnt

[spice spade]

oh

[lean garden]

like I said he was mad

that page also had albrecht's message for loid, which he refused to read, because he was mad

[spice spade]

WHY WAS JE MAD

Why was albrecht mad for what

[strange turtle]

Not Albrecht

[spice spade]

he has no reason to be

[lean garden]

not albrecht, loid

[strange turtle]

Loid

[spice spade]

OHH

[pale cedar]

Loid didn't want Albrecht to have the last word

[spice spade]

Oh i didn’t read it right

[spice spade]

that’s iconicbHELPPPP

ok but why did albrecht not want loid to go to 1999 with him i thought they were in love

[strange turtle]

He went there to lead it away

[spice spade]

omg for love???

also lead what away

[strange turtle]

Wally

[spice spade]

OMG….

[pale cedar]

Loid wanted Albrecht to find another way instead of running

[spice spade]

Wally is the one controlling the girl right

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[spice spade]

But what is he doing

[strange turtle]

Also the guy we release in Chains of Harrow

[spice spade]

Eh?

So loid was like no don’t fight wally

[strange turtle]

Not don’t fight

[spice spade]

oh

[strange turtle]

But stay and try to find another way to do things

[spice spade]

oh i see

so like make wally a cute meal so he’s nice??

why does wally even control people

[pale cedar]

Albrecht didn't run to fight Wally he ran so Wally would hopefully leave Loid alone which worked for a time

[spice spade]

OMGGG

[strange turtle]

What Wally wants is his finger back, and the location is hidden

[lean garden]

Who knows! I say he wants to play the human game

[spice spade]

Ok but what was wally doing to loid

[spice spade]

OHHHSHUDWJIAKS

And loid is like no sweetie

[rose estuary]

Isn’t his finger the one being used as the reliquary drive on the zariman?

[spice spade]

but why does he want his finger

[lean garden]

Well, Wally does not have a good track record in terms of interactions

[lean garden]

thats merely a copy

[strange turtle]

The original is hidden

[rose estuary]

Oh ok

[spice spade]

That’s confusing

[eager dragon]

The problem is that literally the entire transport system is based on Wally's finger

[strange turtle]

It’s said best in a dialogue from Tagfer

[eager dragon]

Giving it back would set back humanity back by... quite a wide margin

[rose estuary]

Why can’t we just give him a copy of the finger?

[spice spade]

kk i still have to rank them up

[lean garden]

because thats not his finger

thats just copy

[spice spade]

but we have copies

[strange turtle]

Whatever Papa touched, the Indifference, the Murmur, I think it's lonely. It wants to be a part of what we've got going on. Only, it doesn't know that. And it does its best to join in, but it's clumsy. Ignorant. So everything about it is… skewed. Half-assed. You follow?

[spice spade]

just clone 100 and be like here girl

[eager dragon]

If it was that simple I'm sure Albrecht would have tried that

[spice spade]

Ok i see

[eager dragon]

I think that giving away the originals

[spice spade]

why is he lonely

[eager dragon]

Would probably result in the destruction of the copies

[spice spade]

ok true

let’s just keep it

[humble sierra]

He's the only one of his kind

[eager dragon]

Ofcourse, we don't have confirmation either way

[spice spade]

Omg….

[humble sierra]

Albrecht made him by accident

[spice spade]

HAOW

[pale cedar]

The first Scholar looked into the Void and he feared it and his fear took shape

[humble sierra]

Conceptual embodiment, the Void creates things based on thoughts and emotions. When Albrecht went into the void for the first time, he was scared that there was something there— so the Void gave him something to be afraid of. MITW tried reaching out to Albrecht and Albrecht almost literally slammed the door in his face and cut off his fingers.

[spice spade]

THATS SCARY

[humble sierra]

And then the Orokin experimented on those fingers a whole bunch

And we learn that Wally probably felt all of that

[spice spade]

OMG…..

That’s why he mad

Well hell

Ok but with that logic why do other people who go in the void not make chaotic monsters

like the drifter

[humble sierra]

Well, that's what Duviri is

[spice spade]

PMG,…….,…

[humble sierra]

Additionally Albrecht was the first person to go into the Void, it was an unfathomable, non-existent, endless thing and he inadvertently gave it some shape

[spice spade]

So like duiviri was drifter fantasy island

[humble sierra]

And potentially some rules

[spice spade]

Ok true

[eager dragon]

Up until they grew up

[ashen pulsar]

what tf is this (spoiler tag cuz its kinda creepy)

[eager dragon]

It's not that creepy to be honest.

[bright temple]

Marghulis.exe

[spice spade]

what happened when they grew up

[ashen pulsar]

it was a photo flashed in a gameplay trailer, wtf happened

[spice spade]

did something chaotic happen

[pale cedar]

“I never spoke of him, that man, trapped in the wall. And while there have been countless souls who have followed me through, with their light-skippers, and field-wave skins and vari-eyed instruments… not a single one ever saw him.”

[eager dragon]

Wanted to leave, but there imaginary friend (Thrax) did not like that. So, naturally, the Drifter got executed over and over and over again.

[spice spade]

THATS AWFUL??

[ashen pulsar]

its creepy when its flashed on screen and I try to pause and get THIS

[humble sierra]

Tales of Duviri was a storybook written by Euleria Entrati (Albrecht's daughter, the Mother on Deimos) to teach kids how to not be emotive while traveling in the void

[spice spade]

ALBRECHT HAS A DAUGHTER

[eager dragon]

The Tenno (possibly Rell) accidently blinded Margulis at some point.

[strange turtle]

Also it’s not really relevant to anything so far but for some reason he hates alchemy

Albrecht's Crucibles. Crimes against the laws of nature. Do not think for a second that I will let you desecrate my kingdom with your element mixing.

Ah, the Crucibles. One of Albrecht's many sins. Try and finish his work. See what happens to you.

Stop it. That's unnatural

You are playing with things you don't understand

What have you done?

You've made a mess of those elements. A shameful mess.

You only pollute this kingdom with these… elements.

[ashen pulsar]

:o

[humble sierra]

Margulis. You're accessing stuff she locked away, you're plugging into Lotus, you're remembering her

[strange turtle]

Yeah, Mother/Euleria

[spice spade]

Pmg so he cheated on loid

Let’s hex him

[strange turtle]

Nah, dead or divorced wife

[spice spade]

Oh i see

That’s why they have long arms Omg

[humble sierra]

Loid was implied to be a bit of a love affair too, not because they're both guys, but because Loid wasn't an upper-echelon Orokin

[pale cedar]

He couldn't cheat if she died

[ashen pulsar]

...cuz theyre orokin

[spice spade]

I thought they were infected beasts

[eager dragon]

They have Long Arms 'cause the Orokin found them fashionable.

[humble sierra]

They are, but they're also Orokin

[ashen pulsar]

infected orokin

[spice spade]

Oh i see

[ashen pulsar]

idk about beasts, that sounds rude

[spice spade]

Sorry

[humble sierra]

Orokin are a high caste of humans that just modified themselves

[ashen pulsar]

lol im joking no need to apologize to video game characters

[spice spade]

i don’t like orokin

they’re evil

[humble sierra]

So blue skin, long arms, maybe the glowing eyes too, all done by themselves l

[ashen pulsar]

including turning themselves blue for whatever reason

[spice spade]

HELLO

[humble sierra]

You have to admit, it looks cool

[spice spade]

So his daughter made like an infected family

what did he think about that

[ashen pulsar]

nah they were a normal family

[spice spade]

oh

[strange turtle]

Among other colours, but blue is either the trend or it’s because of a social thing or smthn

[ashen pulsar]

until they got infected

[spice spade]

how did they get infected

[ashen pulsar]

fair

[pale cedar]

Son is the reason they actually got infected

[humble sierra]

No, they were all normal Orokin, but some studied the infestation

[strange turtle]

Also the golden stuff Nihil(?) has

[ashen pulsar]

son's fault

[spice spade]

Omg-

what did he do

[ashen pulsar]

also why they forgot their names

[spice spade]

OMG…

[eager dragon]

The Orokin have been the only ones in the game that were able to pull off Dis-symmetry in a way that makes them look better than if they were symmetrical, in my opinion.

[humble sierra]

Deimos was infested, he broke containment and got them all infested

[spice spade]

oh i see

[ashen pulsar]

brought his pets in the house

[spice spade]

He played around and found out

[humble sierra]

He did that because he wanted to give his dad something to hunt because he sensed he was getting bored

[spice spade]

What did his family members do were they mad

[eager dragon]

Put him in a collar

[spice spade]

also why does their grandpa not live with them

[eager dragon]

And stripped him of his rights

[ashen pulsar]

and kick him out

[spice spade]

does that make him not go and get more pets

[humble sierra]

He went back in time

[waxen gorge]

Ok a go to support and take tiket so how long will take

[ashen pulsar]

cuz he is running from wallace

[eager dragon]

Anything from a couple days to 2 weeks, depends on how busy they are.

[spice spade]

but why does he still live with them

[spice spade]

Omg…

[humble sierra]

You helped them get back together in Heart of Deimos

[strange turtle]

IIRC he was just chilling in the labs for a bit before he left too

[eager dragon]

He didn't, until after we stepped in during the Heart of Deimos quest.

[waxen gorge]

Ok 2week ok

[ashen pulsar]

they un-kicked him out after heart of deimos

[spice spade]

OHHHHH

Ok but why i wouldn’t let him back

[ashen pulsar]

hence why we met him in that cave

[strange turtle]

IIRC weren’t like all of them but mother and grandmother not in the house anymore?

[ashen pulsar]

daughter was

[humble sierra]

They had to for the quest, he had info or something

[ashen pulsar]

and dont they have multiple pods or smth

[spice spade]

Omh….

[humble sierra]

And then they realized they loved each other

[spice spade]

Awwww ok i like it

[ashen pulsar]

or do they just somehow move around

[spice spade]

Did they take his collar off

[humble sierra]

Eventually, you need to rank up with them I think

All Grandma's plan btw, she risked destroying the Heart of Deimos which fuels all Void-based things in the system, including the Warframes, just to get her family to talk to each other

[spice spade]

She’s chaotic

why does she want that

if they all hate the son

[ashen pulsar]

we should really give her a new name

[humble sierra]

Everyone hated everyone

[spice spade]

that’s sad

[spice spade]

I’m confused

so in 1999 are we on deimos

Am i dumb

[strange turtle]

No??

[spice spade]

GELP

[eager dragon]

Why would we

[strange turtle]

Albrecht went back in time to Earth 1999

[spice spade]

Ok just ignore that

[spice spade]

ok so did he like take some infection with him im confused

[strange turtle]

The infection isn’t a deimos thing

[spice spade]

Oh ok

[eager dragon]

Only the Helminth Strain for the Protoframes

[spice spade]

OMG….

[eager dragon]

The techrot was already there

[ashen pulsar]

techrot is ancient infection

[strange turtle]

did you forget about the like, 3 other infected places

[spice spade]

How is there techrot

liek who invented it

and who released it

[digital grail]

We dont know do we? I forgot I think we dont know

[eager dragon]

It was either genetically engineered by Humans or naturally appeared, we don't know.

[ashen pulsar]

prob some idiot scientist in a lab

[spice spade]

oh ok

ok i like it

[eager dragon]

We do know, atleast, that it was used in Hollvania around the 1997 mark for the Codas

[spice spade]

so the tech rot makes like a computer into a monster

[spice spade]

Omg-

so coda is like zombies

[ashen pulsar]

maybe techrot was a really bad attempt at neuralink

[digital grail]

No failed clones I think?

[ashen pulsar]

and turned out to go in the opposite direction

[oblique siren]

Re Albretch and his Daughter: Adoption is also a possibility, or a surrogate! Given something Albrect says when being tortured in 1999, I dont think he ever had a wife (unless there's lore I've missed saying he did xD)

[spice spade]

OMG,…

[spice spade]

But if she was adopted how is she orokin

[ashen pulsar]

they were supposed to replace the band right

[strange turtle]

The Orokin don’t actually care about origins

[spice spade]

also how is he a father to someone so old and he’s young still

[spice spade]

Ong ok no one is excluded i like it

[ashen pulsar]

orokin bs

[strange turtle]

The people beneath them are beneath them until they say otherwise or is convenient

[humble sierra]

Yep, Grandmother and Father weren't from an existing family or anything

[spice spade]

but why do they not like ostron if they can be orokin

[digital grail]

Because orokin are just humans that body snatch and change their body's

[spice spade]

They’re scary

[digital grail]

Yeah

[eager dragon]

Unless they are twins

[spice spade]

Why

[ashen pulsar]

easier to control ig

[spice spade]

why did they want to replace onlyne

WHO wanted to replace onlyne

[strange turtle]

Capitalist awfulness

[digital grail]

Idk politics

[spice spade]

That’s chaotic

[strange turtle]

Alad Vs great grandad

[ashen pulsar]

onlyne managers

[spice spade]

Did they get beat up by the clones

the person who made them

[ashen pulsar]

that was a clone tank

[humble sierra]

One of his past Yuvan could've been a woman / capable of giving birth back when he did Continuities

[strange turtle]

Gregory V, Onlyne’s manager

It might’ve just been Greg idr

[digital grail]

That could be interesting

[oblique siren]

This would honestly be HELLA, heck yeah!!!!!

[lean garden]

he specifically mentioned euleria's mother before so no, thats not a reason to think he went woman for a body before

[spice spade]

I thought albrecht didn’t like that continuity ritual

[humble sierra]

Ah yep, answers that

[oblique siren]

Ah. Thanks xD

[humble sierra]

He stopped after the void incident

[spice spade]

Phhhhhh ok

But why did he stop

[ashen pulsar]

wally

[humble sierra]

Because he didn't know if he was himself or "the him that escaped"

[spice spade]

was he scared and didn’t want to live

[spice spade]

OMFG

[ashen pulsar]

he wasnt sure which of him was wally

[spice spade]

That’s terrifying

I don’t like it

so he just loves his life now thinking he’s a clone

do the orokin not like him now because he doesn’t want to do rituals

[eager dragon]

Doubt they care

[humble sierra]

The Orokin don't like him now because they're mostly all dead

[digital grail]

We dunno most the orokin are dead or are family

[spice spade]

THEY DIED

HAOW

[eager dragon]

(Other than the Alchemy part, which he obviously kept in secret)

[humble sierra]

We killed them

[spice spade]

Omfg….

The tenno killed orokin

But why

[brazen seal]

Dw
They deserved it

[spice spade]

ok true

[oblique siren]

Tenno went "stop exploiting the Origin System" I think

[humble sierra]

They were oppressors

[spice spade]

YASS TENNO

[digital grail]

We did a bit of a crap job since balls sas survived same with the family

[humble sierra]

The family were in Deimos, in the Void

[spice spade]

Natah ended him right

Omfg…..

[ashen pulsar]

k wait speaking of which

[oblique siren]

Tbf the Family isnt sooooo bad, at least now.

Ballas, though, yeah that was a mistake on our part

[spice spade]

So why are we friends with the deimos family if we hate them

[pale cedar]

Family went into the Void
Ballas hid on the Moon also in Void

[ashen pulsar]

old peace was after sentients before tenno got mad?

[strange turtle]

They wouldn’t have got the chance to find out

[lean garden]

got mad?

[humble sierra]

Old War -> Old Peace -> Old War restarts

[spice spade]

Because they got beat up

ok but why do we like some orokin that’s confusing

[ashen pulsar]

got mad at orokin

[ashen pulsar]

o

[spice spade]

liek why do they just let albrecht be a lab person

and the family be a family

[ashen pulsar]

cuz they arent assholes atm

[spice spade]

Oh ok

[humble sierra]

And Albrecht is beyond our reach

[spice spade]

but we can’t trust them

[humble sierra]

We can, they seem to have grown as people

[pale cedar]

Because we already killed leadership

[spice spade]

I thought we were friends

[ashen pulsar]

sure we can, we're basically family

[spice spade]

Oh ok i see

some orokin is good

[humble sierra]

It's a bit more like enemy of our enemy, a lot of what he did is messed up but we view it as a necessary evil but we're likely going to punish him for that once MITW is dealt with

[spice spade]

omg….

What did he do to us

[pale cedar]

The family still suck as Orokin

[tall echo]

Nothing, but albrecht is a "the ends justify the means" guy

[spice spade]

ok so he don’t play around

i like it

[tall echo]

He lied, sabotaged and tricked his way into creating the protoframes

[humble sierra]

Mostly his actions in 1999, forever warping the Protoframes and consigning them to an infested fate, and also the Cavia

[spice spade]

I’m confused

[pale cedar]

Albrecht lied about being honest

[strange turtle]

Scientists an important job not looked down on and there’s a whole higher caste for it, Archimedean

[spice spade]

so did he kidnap people and infect them with helminth

[eager dragon]

Not really "kidnap"

But yes, he infected them with the Helminth strain

[oblique siren]

He's a complicated man, making decisions that might ultimately help, but also cause harm.

[spice spade]

He like injected them and ran off

[tall echo]

Albrecht is like thanos, good intentions, terrible methods

[ashen pulsar]

no but he didnt warn them of the full consequences

[eager dragon]

For the Drifter

[spice spade]

OHHHH

[humble sierra]

Not kidnapping (so far at least, maybe a future Protoframe) but besides a few, none knew what would happen

[spice spade]

Ok but what is the point of doing that to have soldiers to beat up wally

[eager dragon]

Personally I like Albrecht and will follow him to hell and back, but I know alot of people who would want to put his head on a stick.

[strange turtle]

Not ran off for the Hex, but we don’t know the full details

[strange turtle]

It’s not for soldiers, or at least not just

[spice spade]

Oh ok

[tall echo]

Not to mention his techrot cure supposedly just turned ppl into silent carriers, although lettie might just be biased there

[spice spade]

he’s like y’all distract him

[oblique siren]

I kinda really like that about our Major Characters in Warmf. Most of them are complicated individuals, and from another point of view, they'd be the heroes of their stories

[ashen pulsar]

science

[pale cedar]

I know a person who wants his head on a stick

[eager dragon]

To create people that the Drifter could empathsis with, and maybe as a backup option for the Drifter in case the frames didn't get brought.

[spice spade]

Oh ok so he was like ummmm i want drifter to have friends

So did he kidnap drifter from duiviri

[ashen pulsar]

and for a science experiment

[eager dragon]

Yes, and by creating the Protoframes he signaled out people the Drifter could bond with.

[humble sierra]

Yeah, Drifter had to be friends with the Protoframes so that Drifter could easily pilot the Vessels built on their DNA

the big statues in the labs

[spice spade]

OHHHH OK

[humble sierra]

They're weapons against MITW

[spice spade]

But why did he want drifter to control warframes back then

to beat someone up

[tall echo]

Eeeeeeh

[eager dragon]

1999 as a whole had a double purpose

[spice spade]

So did drifter escape duiviri themself y’all

[eager dragon]

First, it was to keep him safe from Wally for long enough that the Chosen Operator could appear

[ashen pulsar]

inferior to the best weapon of them all

[spice spade]

Oh ok

[ashen pulsar]

Love™

[eager dragon]

Second, it was for the Drifter to re-learn empathy after Duviri

[spice spade]

How did drifter escape and why did they end up in 1999

[humble sierra]

Kalymos sequence isn't complete until we "Know" them, immediately after there's a bit where Drifter pilots a vessel

[tall echo]

Well not exactly

[eager dragon]

(Which he knows about because he travelled to Duviri)

[eager dragon]

In what way?

[spice spade]

what is an entrati

a race

[strange turtle]

A family

[eager dragon]

Albrecht Entrati

[spice spade]

Oh duh hello

[tall echo]

He left to 1999 to lure wally away from loid

[spice spade]

why don’t they just call him albrecht

[eager dragon]

Okay, yeah, fair.

[spice spade]

also why is albrecht hot in 1999

[strange turtle]

Albrecht, mystery wife, Grandmother and Father/Mother/Son/Daughter

[ashen pulsar]

entrati is plural of entratus

[eager dragon]

Because "Entrati" is easer to type and sounds cooler.

[strange turtle]

Technically also us

[spice spade]

Pk true

[rose estuary]

After the true ending for the hex (or whatever it’s called) is the loop broken and if so do the hex eventually get fully consumed by the helminth strain?

[tall echo]

Bc he's steve

[ashen pulsar]

albert

[spice spade]

Was he like ok i want to be this hot man

[strange turtle]

No it keeps going

[tall echo]

1 no
2 yes

[humble sierra]

He STAYED in 1999 to keep Loid safe, but the reason he went there specifically isn't 100% clear her

[eager dragon]

They do eventually get consumed eventually. Dunno when the loop gets broken though.

[ashen pulsar]

cuz he has the jotaro fit

[strange turtle]

No thats just how he looks, he stopped continuity after The Wally Incident

[spice spade]

Oh ok

[eager dragon]

Well, that was mainly due to it being the "Plague Year"

[spice spade]

So he’s like old as hell

and that’s how hot he was back then

ok i get it

[eager dragon]

In my opinion, sabotaging the reactor created enough of a paradox that it kept Wally at bay

[spice spade]

i see you loid

[eager dragon]

Which is why he chose 1999, and Hollvania, to travel to.

[strange turtle]

Not due to it being the plague year

[spice spade]

Ok but how did albrecht create a time loop

[tall echo]

Well that clearly didn't work

[strange turtle]

IIRC it’s mentioned that the years just built different for some reason

[tall echo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eager dragon]

It worked until Ballas let more of Wally into the material world atleast 🤷‍♂️

[spice spade]

taht don’t make sense

it would make sense if like wally did it

but don’t they work together

I’m so confused

[tall echo]

Correlation, causation

[spice spade]

if albrecht is running away from wally why was he sitting with him cutely

[eager dragon]

"Cutely" you mean when he was beat up and tied to a chair?

[tall echo]

Highly advanced sci-fi scientist with time machines can't possibly know how to cause a 1 day time loop

[spice spade]

WHAT

no he was standing behind wally and smiling all
cute

[eager dragon]

We're talking about Albrecht and Wally, no?

[tall echo]

No

[spice spade]

Ok i’m
lost

wally was sitting there picking a flower

and albrecht was like hey lol i’m here

and smiling

[tall echo]

Not albrecht

[spice spade]

Oh i got messed up who was it

was it like a clone

[tall echo]

Wally can shapeshift and multiply

[eager dragon]

It was Wallbrecht

[spice spade]

Omfg….

Ok but why was he trying to deceive us and be like heyyyy ur friend albrecht is my ally

[eager dragon]

When

[tall echo]

He wasn't

[eager dragon]

You mean that scene?

[spice spade]

ok i’m just dumb

[spice spade]

yes

[tall echo]

No one is observing that scene

[eager dragon]

Personally my theory is that the Indifference has several personalities, but I dunno what the canonical reason is.

[spice spade]

Why is there so much unexplained stuff

[spice spade]

What do u mean

[tall echo]

Bc the game isn't done yet

[eager dragon]

It's like the Second Dream cutscene

[spice spade]

Ok i’m sorry

[eager dragon]

It's there for the player

But canonically we don't actually witness it

[tall echo]

There is no drifter loid or operator watching him do that

[spice spade]

OHHHH

so he’s just like having fun with himself and his clones somewhere

plotting something evil

[tall echo]

Phrasing

But yes

[eager dragon]

Basically

[spice spade]

Omg ok i get it !

ok but why did wally make a clone of albrecht being his ally is taht what he wants

[tall echo]

Btw the flower he's picking apart in that scene is a lotus flower

[spice spade]

am i misinterpreting it

[tall echo]

Yes

[spice spade]

Omg so wally wants to beat up lotus(??

[tall echo]

Wally is just doing wally things

[spice spade]

this is messy

[strange turtle]

I don’t think we know specifically why but we can guess

[spice spade]

lotus soloed wally did she not

[tall echo]

Lotus is holding him at bay, he's trying to take her apart

[spice spade]

Oh ok

[tall echo]

No

[spice spade]

QUEEEEENNNNN OMG,

[spice spade]

he like ran up on her and the tenno and she was like no and slapped him back to the void

right guys

[tall echo]

No

[spice spade]

oh

[tall echo]

He just left

[spice spade]

BYE

so she did all that for nothing

ugh i hate that

[tall echo]

Not entirely

[spice spade]

so what was she doing

like making a shield so people wouldn’t go crazy or something from what he’s saying

[tall echo]

Something

[spice spade]

or was she snatching some power

[tall echo]

She was definitely doing something

[spice spade]

she ate imo

it was something that will make her powerful later on

💅

[tall echo]

-# Quest named lotus eaters:

[spice spade]

I forget every quest

it’s been a year since i did everything

[ashen pulsar]

It’s the cinematic quest before the hex

[lilac aspen]

She’s currently trying to keep Wally from snatching the Operator or something

So then she tasked Drifter to help because Wally can’t snatch them like it can to Operator or something.

Thus
Hex Quest

[rose estuary]

What if we just fed the lotus more archon crystals to make her more powerful or is that not how they work?

Ik they can heal bc of the new war

[lilac aspen]

So I guess Old Peace is going on while Drifter is making Wally cringe by rizzing a Hex member

[lilac aspen]

I mean
If I hit a fully healed person with a heal ray, I don’t think I can make you stronger

She needed those three shards to have enough oomph to revive from being an Eldion

[rose estuary]

Idk if they can make someone more powerful or if they have any other properties like that though

[lilac aspen]

I know they’d make a warframe stronger but Idk about Natah specifically

Sentient Mimics do be built more so stealth than maximum combat

[tall echo]

Archon shards grant power

[normal mountain]

True
But remember The Sacrifice
She nuked a Warframe in one shot

[lilac aspen]

True

[spice spade]

natah is a legend

ok so i have another question

why does natah just stand there in the sanctum staring off at the horizon

is she just being cute

[bright temple]

Aura farming 🔥

[spice spade]

queen

[lilac aspen]

Aura farming to hold Wally off
“Yes Lotus, I see the fit.”

[spice spade]

is she like wally don’t come here because i will beat you UP

Queen omg

ok i stan natah

but why do people hate natah

she’s was ballas friend

but she beat him up so what

also why can’t natah be natah and why does she have to be lotus

i feel robbed

[stoic zealot]

can someone send me a ss of all lore fragments so i know what i missing please

[half vortex]

Hey, I kept Natah. I think she looks cool.

[spice spade]

i did too

but lore wise she has to be lotus

and i don’t get it

why can’t she just be a queen that beats ppl up

[bright temple]

Tbh lorewise she’s all three

You just choose her outwards appearance

[spice spade]

OMG RLLY

[lilac aspen]

Lore Wise
She is Natah with the added memories of Margulis

But calls herself the Lotus

[spice spade]

Ohhhhh

ok so she was like i just want a new outfit

[lilac aspen]

After being saved she is essentially all three perfectly

[spice spade]

i love dat

[pale cedar]

Natah is who she was created as
Margulis is who Ballas wanted her to be
Lotus is who she became

[stoic zealot]

thats wrong

margulis is ballas old love

they made a CLONE of her as a sentient

to find and kill void children

[bright temple]

No

[stoic zealot]

then natah turned good and adopted the children

[bright temple]

Natah mimicked Marghulis to infiltrate the Orokin

[stoic zealot]

nooo

ur not smart buddy

[bright temple]

Eventually she has a change of heart, betrayed Ballas and Hunhow, and sided with the Tenno

????? Natah isn’t a clone

She’s a Sentient Mimic

[silk atlas]

Yes???

[stoic zealot]

exactly she destroyed natah

[bright temple]

Ballas worked with Hunhow to kill the Tenno because he was big emoboy sad that Marghulis got executed for the sake of the Tenno. Natah mimicked Marghulis as apart of that plan.

[stoic zealot]

how would she destroy herslef so she destroyed the clone

bro ada bo ur dum

[bright temple]

?????? The original Marghulis was executed by the Orokin.

[woven coyote]

Lol

[silk atlas]

Natah is still there. That's the entire point of her ditching you during Prelude to War because she was essentially hit with the factory reset

[woven coyote]

What kind of insane theory do we have today?

[eager dragon]

I'm not entirely sure but I'm I think it's 'cause she's constantly a hair away from suicide via jumping into the Void.

Well, probably not literally, but I definitly don't like the fact she's standing next to the ledge.

[spice spade]

WHAT

[bright temple]

Natah is apparently a marghulis clone

[spice spade]

SOMEONE SAVE HER

[stoic zealot]

lotus is fakeee ahhhh

hahah

[woven coyote]

Sure budy

[woven coyote]

Better to just let them scream about and tire themselves out

Cant convince those types

[bright temple]

I’m 95% this is a bit, because the game outright tells you to your face that Natah isn’t a clone. Just a sentient that mimicked the original.

True

[lilac aspen]

Natah is a Sentient mimic
Sentient mimics can transform into other people

She was “destroyed” in terms of her personality getting replaced by Margulis’, because Ballas wanted Margulis back.

Then Factory Reset occurred

Current Lotus has all Natah memories and Margulis memories but none of the weird bull controlling her to one of those specific paths

[stoic zealot]

Basically, Natah was designed by the Sentients to take down the Tenno during the Old War. After being captured by Ballas, he used Margulis’ memories to turn her into the Lotus. Fast forward a bit, and Ballas suddenly reappears, convincing her to join him again. There’s a theory he went into some form of stasis during that time, which might explain his disappearance. It’s also revealed he turns her back into Natah later on. Crazy, right?

[hexed oxide]

[stoic zealot]

wdym no

[bright temple]

He never captured Natah. She was working with him, because Ballas was working with Hunhow to destroy the Tenno and betray the Orokin.

This is all literally in the Sacrifice

[hexed oxide]

Ballas 🤝 sentients

[brazen seal]

Quick note
Natah isn't designed with margulis memories
Natah is designed with tenno's memories abt margulis
Natah doesn't know everything that margulis knew

[bright temple]

And the reason why, is because Marghulis got Jade’d for defending the Tenno

[stoic zealot]

bro i got that offf google though

[eager dragon]

Ofcourse, Ballas didn't complete the deal perfectly and brainwashed her more... completely than Hunhow would have liked.

[bright temple]

Well, we got it off the game

[eager dragon]

Hence the entire Erra cutscene and all

[pale cedar]

We got it by playing the quests

[normal mountain]

Don't trust everything Google tells you

[stoic zealot]

what isv the orogin of the jade liight is it the jade warframe

[pale cedar]

No

[stoic zealot]

where did it come from then

[eager dragon]

No, just Orokin tech

[lilac aspen]

Hunhow if he learned Ballas did this sooner:

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-meg-griffin-i-just-wanna-talk-to-him-put-that-gun-away-family-guy-gif-14677957

[woven coyote]

Existence of jade light makes me questions the naming sense of jade's parents

[stoic zealot]

why did hunhowe turn good

[normal mountain]

Oh, I bet he figured it out real quick
At least by New War

[hexed oxide]

Did bro play the game ?

[lilac aspen]

Enemy of my enemy is my friend
He wanted that get back on Ballas as much as we did

[stoic zealot]

yes i played the quest like a year ago i dont remem

[spice spade]

so is margillus just ballas play thing

[silk atlas]

Because he realized Ballas was a complete nutjob.

[eager dragon]

Honestly in my opinion that's why he still wanted to kill us in the second dream, 'cause he thought we were keeping her brainwashed.

[normal mountain]

Ah
So, yes, bro did
It's just been a while, and bro is missing some details

[eager dragon]

And then, once we helped save her in the New War

[pale cedar]

If you didn't remember why were you so adamant you were right?

[stoic zealot]

who actually is the stalker and is he related to the red veil kid that says rap tap tap

[eager dragon]

He kind off let go of that, as he came to the conclusion that, atleast now, Natah chooses to be the Lotus

[ashen pulsar]

even erras realized too, at one point.

[eager dragon]

No

[ashen pulsar]

He then died

[normal mountain]

...that's not something I've considered before

[ashen pulsar]

And he then became pazuul (🤮)

Pazuul’s a loser

[stoic zealot]

who did

[ashen pulsar]

Erras

[stoic zealot]

hunhow?

ohhh

the lanky dude

[ashen pulsar]

Hunhow’s son

[stoic zealot]

can someone tell me who the man in the wall is

[ashen pulsar]

A void entity

[stoic zealot]

and why is he in the wall

[ashen pulsar]

Maybe the void entity

[spice spade]

Does wally make the murmur

[stoic zealot]

i thought it was like albetrecht entratis soul

[ashen pulsar]

They’re part of him

[spice spade]

Omg

So what’s their purpose

And their gang is called the indifference right