lore-discussion

[strange plinth]

in what way? we made a deal with him, but we seemed to be holding our end of the bargain until whispers

[eager dragon]

Usually when refering to his actions in general

With Wally being the Operator look and Wallbrecht being the Albrecht look

[proper barn]

idk. He's mad at albretch and us. he got no-diffed by a autistic kid for a 1000 years.

[robust arch]

well no ones really a good guy in warframe

[eager dragon]

And I guess Wallci for that Neci look.

[proper barn]

wrong. all the factions we help like cetus and fortuna and overselves are the good factions.

we fight the bad factions.

[eager dragon]

It's... alot more complicated than that.

[lilac aspen]

Guys
I’m telling you the “Light” isn’t some metaphor for our soul or something

But actually our flashlight

[strange plinth]

+ it wasn't us who took the finger, that was albrecht/the orokin

[eager dragon]

Atleast when it comes to the Tenno specificaly

[proper barn]

it's not though. Like we keep the system in balance we help keep the Cetus citizens from all dying.

[tall echo]

No

[proper barn]

we help the solaris get outta debt.

[strange plinth]

well why'd he leave it on the floor of the zariman classroom then, go get it

[robust arch]

the finger in our ship or something

he wants that back

[strange plinth]

clone of the original, no significance to him

[robust arch]

arent we going to a new solar system soon

[proper barn]

Okay it's we thought it was the flashlight but it was something else.

[tall echo]

That's just a copy, he wants the originals

[proper barn]

we literally are next year.

[robust arch]

so is that gonna be like warframe 2 or something

[tall echo]

No

[proper barn]

no

[robust arch]

like will this be the final saga

[strange plinth]

nope, just tau

[lilac aspen]

To him
We are the antagonists to his story

But we definitely do not want him completing his story

[proper barn]

no it won't be. @robust arch

[tall echo]

No

[robust arch]

so we arent killing wally next year

[strange plinth]

especially if isleweaver is anything to go off of...

[tall echo]

Getting my daily dose of "no" very fast

[proper barn]

also no it's not. We help all the innocents that's the whole thing about the tenno.

[eager dragon]

"In balance" refers to keeping the system in constant conflict. We slaughter without concern for the lives we take. We did bring down an entire civilization - deservingly, maybe, but it also cast the entire system in turmoil - a turmoil We did nothing to help in. We simply, left.

[robust arch]

imagine we‘re actually the bad guys and everything we forgot were actually like mass atrocities

[spice wedge]

Nah maybe if there was a chance to see how man in the wall was made and how he appeared.

[strange plinth]

prolly not by going to tau

[strange plinth]

yeah we already did that plotline, we've remembered that we genocided the orokin

[eager dragon]

Tau, yeah. Based on the stars it's probably Serius.

[proper barn]

i mean we all went to help Lotus cuz some time during the old war erra/The sentients attacked. also we where woken up when we where needed.

[lilac aspen]

We need this as an actual conversation with Wally

Questioning if it’s the flashlight and Wally either losing the silly out of sheer surprise of the stupidity or laughing like there’s no tomorrow

[robust arch]

so did he make a deal with all tennos

like is it canon that we arent the only tenno in the game or

[strange plinth]

just the main character

[robust arch]

okay makes sense

[proper barn]

we have the conversation with elanor

[robust arch]

so multiplayer isnt canon in the game

[proper barn]

eh

[strange plinth]

the effects of the deal also affected the other tenno, though
god i hate effect/affect.

[robust arch]

okay when does the devil frame come out

[strange plinth]

likely with old peace in december

[robust arch]

and when does wisp fine shyt skin come out

[strange plinth]

same time

[eager dragon]

December

[robust arch]

WE are all romancing wisp

[eager dragon]

Nah

Suda all the way

[robust arch]

okay so is wally like a bad guy or we dont know

[lilac aspen]

More like
“They don’t know it but I’m clearly the main character here.”

[strange plinth]

eventually, maybe not right away tho
depends on what uriel's up to

[lilac aspen]

Bad guy to us considering so far they haven’t been doing anything nice for anyone

[eager dragon]

Albrecht seems to think so. I choose to trust him, since he knows alot more about Wally than we do, but for now we can only guess.

[strange plinth]

he is vengeful at best and actively malevolent at worst

[robust arch]

is albrecht related to those blue infested ppl on deimos

[strange plinth]

yeah

[eager dragon]

Yes. He's Mother's Father

[strange plinth]

where's the diagram-

[robust arch]

so hes the kids grandpa

[proper barn]

he made Parents kill their kids and vice versa to see what would happen.

[eager dragon]

Yes, but he is not married to Grandmother

Grandmother is from Father's side

[robust arch]

thats not the worst thing to happen in warframe btw

[strange plinth]

no but its still pretty bad???

[proper barn]

But yeah Albretch is a orokin.

[robust arch]

i think the must f‘d up was ballas warframing a pregnant woman

[proper barn]

so are the family the family is just like infested.

[robust arch]

okay so why are they big and blue

did they used to be humans

[proper barn]

cuz they wanna be.

[lean garden]

I dont think I can agree with that characterisation:

"In balance" refers to keeping the system in constant conflict
As opposed to overextending in an attempt to wipe out two extremely large factions? Or Tipping the scale in favour of one?
We slaughter without concern for the lives we take.
The combatants? We're not attacking corpus civilians or non-combatant grineer.
a turmoil We did nothing to help in. We simply, left.
The lotus didnt just wake up one day in present, only you (and some others) did, the Lotus has been controlling operatives to manage the system this whole time

[eager dragon]

Because they find it attractive.

[proper barn]

Normal orokin where also blue like ballas.

Ballas is a normal human he just wanted to be blue and have a long arm.

[robust arch]

so theres like no canon reason as to why they‘re abnormally big bc they liok bigger than other orkins

[proper barn]

do they?

did you see ballas? well they are partly so big cuz of the infestation.

[lean garden]

there is a cannon reason, they've been infected by the grey strain, which makes things big

[robust arch]

to me they look bigger

[strange plinth]

grey strain on deimos
makes things big

[proper barn]

BUT

[lean garden]

yea theyre defo bigger than ballas and albrecht

[proper barn]

ballas is still big and blue cuz that's what Orokin wanted to look like.

[robust arch]

so ballas is a human

[strange plinth]

yes.

[proper barn]

yes

[robust arch]

okay wait orkins are humans but like higher class

[strange plinth]

yes

[proper barn]

all orokin are human.

yes just the ruiling class.

[robust arch]

from earth rigjt

[proper barn]

royality if you want. no not always from earth.

Like all of the Entrati family (albretchs family) LIVE On diemos

why do you think he has a whole lab in it?

[robust arch]

are they not a tad bit bigger than the average human?

[proper barn]

they are.

[robust arch]

or am i trippin

[proper barn]

if they want to be.

[robust arch]

i see

[proper barn]

like they have long arms and blue skins cuz of their own like things they can do do.

[strange plinth]

they could modify their bodies however they wanted, basically

karishh had seven stomachs or whatever

[proper barn]

yeah.

[robust arch]

is there any frame that actually was an orkin before the wargrame

[proper barn]

Also they switched bodies all the time

and the would want to look the same as their old body.

[robust arch]

how did they do this was it magic or something or tech

[eager dragon]

Not that we know off

[strange plinth]

closest would prolly be umbra, but that's still a dax rather than an orokin

[proper barn]

maybe ureli will be.

but otherwise no?

[robust arch]

yareli was a servsnt so i doubt she was orkin

[proper barn]

not a servant

she was gonna be taken over by a orokin

[robust arch]

i thought she was a servant

[eager dragon]

"Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".

But, yeah, the Orokin were extremely advanced. Reminder that a Black Hole Canon was considered "low-tech"

[proper barn]

a yuvan.

basiclly the body the orokin go into when they get old.

ballas specificlly.

[robust arch]

who was the frame that rage baited ballas so bad he just turned them into one

that story is funny lmao

[eager dragon]

Mirage?

[proper barn]

hate that term.

[robust arch]

yeah her

[proper barn]

mirage was already being turned into a frame

[strange plinth]

100% yuvan, might've been the blue kuva servant girl if a. blue kuva exists, and b. the one line about "skates away" at the narrative panel is to be believed

[proper barn]

she just changed how she waas gonna be

[robust arch]

okay so was the weird glasses guy orkin too

albrecht

[proper barn]

no

[eager dragon]

Yes

[robust arch]

did he used to be blue too

[eager dragon]

Where do you see glasses on him though

[proper barn]

i thought he meant Loid?

[robust arch]

i got him mixed with the other one

[eager dragon]

Unless you mean Loid

[proper barn]

loid Is albretchs gay lover

[robust arch]

so is this albrecht guy good or bad

[proper barn]

and assistant

[eager dragon]

Alnrecht is an Orokin. Loid is not.

[eager dragon]

Yes

[strange plinth]

albrecht, yea
there's a portrait of him on the zariman of his blue appearance

[proper barn]

now that's a good question.

[robust arch]

why did he shoot us in 1999

[strange plinth]

force a loop or something

[robust arch]

i really hate when games get into time loops man

[eager dragon]

He was hiding there from the Indifference, and convineantly also made the Drifter connect with other people.

[robust arch]

not saying its not done well i just dont like time loops in anything

[proper barn]

@robust arch Albretch did used to be blue he just got really REALLY messed up and also chose not to switch bodies.

[strange plinth]

the loop was powered by the reactor's explosion, but it seemed like drifter powers it post-Hex quest

[robust arch]

and the drifter is just a version of us that didnt get saved when ballas was going crazy

[proper barn]

you know the Queens are just like

Orokin in grinner bodies right?

they want your body so they can go into it.

[eager dragon]

Well, cast out Orokin I think, but yeah

[strange plinth]

drifter didn't get saved from the zariman
conceptually embodied duviri as a result

[proper barn]

this what orokin would do

to live "forever".

[robust arch]

is duviri a big plot point in the story or is it just like side mission stuff

[proper barn]

yes.

[eager dragon]

It's pretty important

[robust arch]

okay whys it important

all ik is kullervo was like a pretty shitty guy

[strange plinth]

its where drifter was for.. the entire gap between the split at the deal up to the new war

[eager dragon]

Because that's where the Drifter spent most of their lifespan, was where Albrecht did a decent amount of research, and, you know, allowed the Operator to be saved in the New War

(Via the Drifter)

[strange plinth]

ah yeah albrecht visited as well, made scholar's landing n all that

[robust arch]

dang drifter couldnt romance mag

[eager dragon]

Skill issue /j

[robust arch]

so did the game kind of just throw the tenno to the side and make drifter main character

[strange plinth]

aoi's the easiest to romance but alright

[eager dragon]

We're returning to the Operator with the Old Peace

[robust arch]

finnest one out of all of them dont hate

[strange plinth]

briefly, for lotus eaters and 1999, but [what Ender Burster said]

[robust arch]

we can ALL agree we would not date nyx irl

[eager dragon]

The Drifter just needed alot of extra lore as the Operator had like 6 years of story before the Drifter was introduced

[robust arch]

so the drifter is us

if thats the case why are u aböe to change their looks arent they supposed to be us

[eager dragon]

I dunno, I actually enjoy the KIM chats with Eleanor the most

[lilac aspen]

Who’s we?

[eager dragon]

Because Orokin magic tech

[robust arch]

trinity is like a douchbag ngl

she be shit talkin about the crew to us

[eager dragon]

Meh, I understand her. Her and Arthur both.

[robust arch]

nah aoi the best if all of them were real id do cyte if i was gay and aoi

[eager dragon]

Aoi is who I like the least.

[strange plinth]

i don't have problems with any of the protos, tbh
every 'negative' behavior they have is pretty justified imo

[eager dragon]

True

[robust arch]

i wish they actually typed with 1999 lingo tho

when i found out there was a gc that was pretty funny

[eager dragon]

It's just that I find Aoi to be just... OK.

[robust arch]

i like her character

and her frame (mags my favorite)

[eager dragon]

I don't dislike her but I like her the least out of all the Protoframes

[robust arch]

i didnt know nova was my age tho lol

thought nova was like 25

[eager dragon]

I thought she was 16 💀

[robust arch]

she looks like early mid 20‘s

aoi looks young i thought she was 20

[eager dragon]

She looks like she's 20 something to me, yeah

[robust arch]

i thought the easiest to romance was cyte

isnt there an option where u can say he‘d look better naked

[eager dragon]

I dunno, I didn't find any of them hard

[robust arch]

the game be freaky deeky

when i can romance i gotta choose wisely bc i csnt hope around

i was thinking trinity but she seems like the type to never text first

[strange plinth]

the monthly reset:

[robust arch]

the romance resets every month?

[strange plinth]

if you choose to reset it yeah

[robust arch]

oh ig thats the games way of saying you arent sleeping around

nah me and aoi locked in fosho shes just taking a 18 hour nap rn

[strange plinth]

memories reset, so you have to work your way back through chemistry levels

[robust arch]

you can choose to not reset right

[strange plinth]

yeah
and you can reset the hex n roundtable separately

[robust arch]

i see i see

who did u romance

if its anyone but nyx its valid

[eager dragon]

I chose Eleanor first

And then reset so I could get all the conversations

[robust arch]

i feel like eleanor would abuse me

[strange plinth]

uhh each of them but currently aoi

[eager dragon]

I didn't bother to actually romance anyone again

[robust arch]

which ones ele again

[eager dragon]

Nah, that's Lettie

[robust arch]

is that nyx

[eager dragon]

Nyx

[robust arch]

wait she got a demon in her

imagine getting in an argument

[strange plinth]

lmao there's literally a conversation about that

[robust arch]

actually?

i gotta look it up that seems like a valid concern

[eager dragon]

Where you can tell her that she sometimes gets aggrevated for no reason

Still not sure what you meant by demon but ok

[strange plinth]

i wanna say its one of the r3 convos but not sure
she used something against arthur during an argument one time n really hurt him

[robust arch]

i really hope we can edit the apartment more soon

okay eait i had this question for a long time

in warframe 1999 is tje whole world in crumbles

[eager dragon]

Oh, that.

[robust arch]

or is it just the place theyre at

[eager dragon]

Only Hollvania

At that point in time

[robust arch]

so like do the mfs in america just not care or something 😭

[strange plinth]

just hollvania
the techrot is "contained" there, and the scaldra's main spot is there

[eager dragon]

The Techrot becomes a global problem in the short future though

[strange plinth]

propaganda is a funny thing
or being completely isolated idr what viktor's doing

[robust arch]

is techrot canon in our story too

[eager dragon]

Yes

[robust arch]

okay wait 1999 like isnt an alt universe

[eager dragon]

It's effectively the Proto-Infestation

[strange plinth]

no, its just the past

[eager dragon]

No

[robust arch]

its a result of someone editing a time like to where there are no orkins?

[strange plinth]

no. just before the orokin properly existed

[eager dragon]

There was no editing other than the reactor

[robust arch]

well then how did the warframes exist then

[strange plinth]

albrecht brought the existing batches back in time

[robust arch]

existing batches as in

ohhh okay i got it

[strange plinth]

helminth batch samples of excalibur, nyx, etc

[robust arch]

he bought warframes back and made those people franes?

[eager dragon]

Yes

[robust arch]

so like micheal jackson is canon in the game then

[eager dragon]

And then used that data/genetic code/flesh whatever in the Vessels

[strange plinth]

possibly
half-life is canon
for whatever that means

[eager dragon]

(Via the Gray strain)

[robust arch]

its also canon smash bros is in warframe

bc u can play as natah in smash bros

one if them at least

[eager dragon]

Well, you can't play as her

[robust arch]

yeah shes in it not play as her

[strange plinth]

that still wouldn't mean its canon to this universe

[robust arch]

i wanna believe that my dads canon in warframe

so the goverment just doesnt give a damn about techrot or anything

[strange plinth]

scaldra is the government
or at least employed by them

[eager dragon]

Outside of Höllvania? Meh.

[robust arch]

i feel like if whatever was happening in 1999 was irl id be like pretty worried 😭

[eager dragon]

We don't know much.

[robust arch]

like wdym robots are sentient and fine shyt is making metal float

[strange plinth]

nothing gets out of hollvania, its completely locked down

[robust arch]

and how far in the future are we in warframe

[strange plinth]

good question

[eager dragon]

We don't know

[robust arch]

thats right

[eager dragon]

Enough to have the constellations be completely different

[robust arch]

so aoi and them were real people in our canon but in our canon they were never warframes

[strange plinth]

wha?

[eager dragon]

Someone on reddit used known comet trajectories to estimate that Flare arrived like 30k years in the future or so I think.

[robust arch]

like aoi and the others were real people to us in the past but they were never warframed

[eager dragon]

Don't remember the exact time.

[eager dragon]

No, no, Albrecht made them into Warframes so in our timeline they were warframes.

It just didn't matter in the end

[robust arch]

i mean before he did that they were non frames

[eager dragon]

So it didn't change anything important

[robust arch]

or since he went back in time thats always been the canon

[strange plinth]

palimpset of spacetime duviri tablet:
"events can be rewritten, traces of the original remain"

[robust arch]

and they cant like… get their bodies back right

wait dont u talk about cytes D size in one of the convos im like 99% sure i saw a video on that

[strange plinth]

..just that he still has it

[robust arch]

😭😭

how his lower party is literally… warframe

[eager dragon]

It probably like opens up or can be ripped off.

I dunno.

[strange plinth]

same way the rest of the protos do
its not detailed for obvious reasons

except father lyon but uhhh

[strange plinth]

lmao there it is

[robust arch]

well father lyon has pants on

but every other frames lower body is gone

but are warframes bodies like flesh or is it tech

[eager dragon]

Yes

[strange plinth]

umbra's Sunder helmet is sorta a mixture

[robust arch]

yeah idk how cyte still has it

the only proto i have seen that has like somewhat a full body is saryn and nova

bc only novas arms are warframe if im not mistaken

[strange plinth]

most of the body is warframe on kaya iirc, just not the end of one arm, lower legs seem half/half

[robust arch]

interesting

okay looked up all of the frames warframe dialogs

[digital grail]

Some of the protos have armour that directly cover there privates like aois suit

[robust arch]

nyx seems to put her tongue to use apparently idk who green lit that voice dialog 😭

[digital grail]

I mean warframe is a m game i think people forget that

[robust arch]

well they hint that whenever our frame controls them that the warframe spread like reverses a bit?

[digital grail]

Oh God I wish this was actually in game

[robust arch]

so maybe when our tenno or drifter or whatever like controls ghem it temp reverses the warframe affect

like for a short time

[strange plinth]

it keeps their sanity briefly, potentially.
but the timeloop is keeping them at the current stage of transformation anyway

[robust arch]

i thought it reverses the affect a tad bit

so they‘ll never become a full frame

they‘re stuck at half half

[strange plinth]

no, the transference convos are just referring to keeping the mind intact iirc
even if it is preventing the transformation from progressing, so is the timeloop

[eager dragon]

They are stuck due to the timeloop

The transformation is extremely slowed down

[robust arch]

so it‘ll forever be 1999

[eager dragon]

But it still progresses

[strange plinth]

loop ends at some point, but yeah

[robust arch]

damn i wish we could bring hhem back to our timeline im 99% sure theres tech to fix them

[eager dragon]

If there was tech to reverse infestation it would have been used alot more

The closest we have are those dudes from the Glast Gambit

[robust arch]

well maybe theres tech to reverse it at their stage

[strange plinth]

any tech to reverse warframing probably would've been part of the orokin tech that's been lost
if they even made it anyway

[robust arch]

well isnt the framing the protos not the same as our frames

like its a dif varient

[eager dragon]

It's slowed down

But otherwise the same thing

[strange plinth]

^
most likely slowed down so they'd remain useful to albrecht, but that's it

[robust arch]

i thought the strain alb gave them isnt the same as ours

[eager dragon]

The Vesses used the Gray Strain, but they aren't in 1999 I think

[robust arch]

i see

well aoi cant touch anything right

[eager dragon]

Huh?

[robust arch]

i thought aoi said she cant ever like touch anything normally

[strange plinth]

no?

[eager dragon]

I... must have missed that, lol

[robust arch]

mustve misread a dialog then

[eager dragon]

'Cause I can't remember anything of that sort

[robust arch]

bc volt cant ever like slow down normally right

hes permanently that fast

[eager dragon]

He can

It's more just an ADHD thing being amplified by the infestation

[robust arch]

so its not like a flash type if thing where everything to him is slow no matter what

[strange plinth]

nah, its definitely controlled

but yeah, like ender burster said, adhd is making the most of that speed lmao

[robust arch]

also you think we could reverse engineer the infestation in our timeline to reverse the warframe affect

[eager dragon]

Maybe. Unlikely.

[robust arch]

i just highly doubt we cant reverse a warframe that hasnt been fully turned yet

[eager dragon]

We could glass them probably

I doubt we could remove the infestation though.

[robust arch]

i feel like mr freeze rn for aoi 💔

well the warframed still have flesh under the warframe right i said that bc umbra def has flesh under the helmet

[strange plinth]

infestation spreads regardless, subsuming whatever it gets to
helminth is just weird about how it does it

[robust arch]

im sure theres something like im sure the mak in the wall could do it if he really wanted to

i believe the reason he doesnt do it is bc warframes dont concern him

[strange plinth]

"Their skin blossomed into sword-steel. Their organs, interlinked with untold resilience."

[robust arch]

i feel like wally just views everything as a fun game and whenever he isnt having fun he gets upset

[strange plinth]

that's sorta the vibe from isleweaver dialogue

more malicious but sorta

[robust arch]

or they* idk if they have a gender

also why does he constantly use the tenno to bother us like is that just a fun form he likes to use

damn it

did it again

[strange plinth]

wally's.. wally
but he's referred to with masc pronouns in KIM dialogue tmk

[robust arch]

i see

so hes basically God ans knows everything that’s happened when where and why

[strange plinth]

he uses our form like he uses albrecht's, or loid's
rusalka is proper possession rather than whatever he's doing with the other examples

[tall echo]

He tends to copy the appearance of the observer unless he's puppeting someone

[tall echo]

No

[robust arch]

so the appearance he copies is real not just some sort of vision

[strange plinth]

he's powerful but definitely not all-knowing or anything
or he'd already have his missing finger

[tall echo]

Kinda both

Eldritch horror doing eldritch horror things

[robust arch]

okay so hes just OP

[tall echo]

Currently not

[robust arch]

so does he only care about the tenno bc he shared his power with us

like what is his purpose

[tall echo]

Unknown

[robust arch]

also is he literally a giant wall or he takes whatever form he wants

[tall echo]

Because of the deal we're supposed to uphold

[tall echo]

The latter

[strange plinth]

rell called him "the man in the wall" and he adopted that form
presumably

[tall echo]

Mocking the most common name

[robust arch]

and rell was harrow before being warframed?

[lilac aspen]

“This child gave me a based title.”
“…”
”I have an idea.”

[tall echo]

I say we should start calling him the last pringle in the can

[tall echo]

No, rell is an operator

[robust arch]

good or bad

[tall echo]

Good obv

[strange plinth]

rell was a tenno, outcast by margulis, he bound himself to harrow to avoid his failing physical form

[robust arch]

so hes alive

[strange plinth]

he was released at the end of chains

[tall echo]

Not after chains of harrow

[robust arch]

ohh

okay thats why we can use harrow

[tall echo]

Arguably died even before that

[tall echo]

We build copies not use the originals

[robust arch]

wssnt he a kid i dont remember fully

[strange plinth]

even rell's harrow was likely a copy

[tall echo]

He was, then he wasn't

He grew old

[robust arch]

so the man in the wall gave rell powrrs too

[lilac aspen]

All the frames are copies of the originals

As the originals are effectively long gone, most likely destroyed either in combat or due to time

[tall echo]

He gave every zariman kid powers due to our deal

[strange plinth]

through our deal yeah, nothing separate

[robust arch]

ohhh

[lilac aspen]

Or other reasons
Looks at Jade

[tall echo]

Well some exceptions apply

[robust arch]

thats why in canon campaigns u have to do it solo

bc we are the main character

[tall echo]

P much

[humble sierra]

Yep, it's implied that when we're stabbed in New War, it disrupts the other Tenno which is why there aren't any Warframes active

[robust arch]

so like did our parents not care about is 😭

[lilac aspen]

Nah clearly the main character actually arrives
John Warframe
(Otherwise known as Hayden Tenno)

[lilac aspen]

Our parents went mad from the Void

[humble sierra]

Our parents went crazy

[robust arch]

ohhh

[strange plinth]

went mad with all of the other parents of the zariman
they died in some way, determined by the player
killed by the operator, killed by other tenno, left to rot

[humble sierra]

The Zariman had a lot of people and families on it, when it jumped into the Void, all adults went crazy

[robust arch]

so the zarinan was the ship that was taking people to the new solar system right?

[swift sentinel]

I think it was all the parents.

[tall echo]

All adults with kids

[robust arch]

but then the void happened and made everyone go crazy

[humble sierra]

Ah right, Holdfasts didn't go crazy

We just assumed they were

[tall echo]

Important distinction to show how cruel wally really is

[lilac aspen]

The parents specifically comprehended the incomprehensible

Meanwhile the kids just went “I don’t get it, sounds like a skill issue.”

Wally really did this just cause

[robust arch]

were warframes already made pre void incident

[tall echo]

They existed before the tenno returned

[robust arch]

and we were kept in like cryo sleep

[strange plinth]

void jump went wrong in some way, exact cause is unknown between miscalculation or other zariman stuff or wally disrupting it
wally happened to the parents, wally gives the kids powers, kids kill the parents

[robust arch]

doesnit say how many ppl were on the zarinan

[tall echo]

At first in a sort of cold storage morgue thing, later in cryo pods

[tall echo]

No

[lilac aspen]

Warframes were made when the Sentients began to fight
But issues occurred when they couldn’t really control them

Then they were baffled the Tenno somehow could

[swift sentinel]

Relevant text from the Isleweaver fragments

"The adults turned on us. Did you do that?"

"The parents turned on you," the Queen corrected them graciously, prompted by the Glory that enveloped her. "The rest of the adults were spared. At first."

[lilac aspen]

(The secret ingredient was just being empathetic)

[robust arch]

dang we had to kill our own parents

[tall echo]

Maybe

[swift sentinel]

KIM dialogue lets you determine if you did or did not

[humble sierra]

Warframes were made in response to the Sentients turning against the Orokin, which happened after the jump.

Some warframes were made

The Zariman somehow returned with just the kids who now had powers

Then eventually Warframes were made with the kids, the Tenno/Operators in mind

[tall echo]

You choose how your tenno dealt with insane adults actually

[robust arch]

and what can u say u chose

[tall echo]

Also once before that

[robust arch]

you can say u killed them and what else

[humble sierra]

Or rather you choose the Drifter's, Operator might've done something separately

[robust arch]

is that why the zariman is haunted

[strange plinth]

-# "It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing-"
-# "And take away its pain."

[robust arch]

just dead parents everywhere

[strange plinth]

that's what the void angels are, basically

[tall echo]

That's mostly because it was in the void

[robust arch]

those are our parents 💔

[tall echo]

The holdfasts are memories manifested by the void, and all angels were once like them

[robust arch]

this game is so fd up man

[tall echo]

Yep

[robust arch]

but at least we know nyx def puts that tongue to use

damn knowing wjat we went through the 1999 crew got nothing to complain about 😭

[strange plinth]

*space trauma* as quincy would put it

[tall echo]

-50 likability points bc you said that

[swift sentinel]

Choices are I killed them, I watch other kids kill them, I locked them up and left them

[tall echo]

Like. Yeah, sure. But still

[robust arch]

so since these warframes are like

actual universal threats does this mean aoi could eventually like move planets

[strange plinth]

"everybody's shit is relative" -drifter during a convo with amir

[lilac aspen]

I doubt any frame can move a planet

[swift sentinel]

No feat has ever been described as even close to this

[strange plinth]

they're nowhere near a universal threat
hell not even a planetary one in 90% of cases

[robust arch]

i thought frames were like literal Gods almost

[swift sentinel]

No, just super soldiers

[lilac aspen]

Excalibur prime almost got squashed by a Metal Gear in the Old Peace

[tall echo]

Absolutely not

[robust arch]

i see i see

so a destiny guardian beats any warframe

[strange plinth]

here we go again

[lilac aspen]

The closest any frame got to destroying a “planet” was Atlas breaking apart a mining place that was built in a meteor that would be big enough to wipe a planet.

But he did that by having his rumblers dig around and him striking a specific point in the meteor to shatter it apart

[robust arch]

id bet my money on ikorq ray then

damn tiktok people talk about warframes as if tjey are justice leage level threats

[pale cedar]

Guardian vs Warframe is so pointless

[robust arch]

you‘re telling me like green latern could beat any of these guys asses

[lilac aspen]

You make that sound as if Green Lanterns aren’t busted

[strange plinth]

^

[pale cedar]

There’s your first mistake TikTok

[robust arch]

green laterns def dont use their power like they should but ig thats a writers thing

[strange plinth]

john toxocyst is the only one on tiktok i'd trust for warframe knowledge
please note that i don't use tiktok and only know them from here lmfao

[robust arch]

the only latern corp ive seen in comics actually use the ring to its full ability is red blue and occasionally yellow

not including white and black

[robust arch]

i see i see

[lilac aspen]

Like
My tenno in Void

Superman can live in a sun
He can just grab any frame and bring them into a sun

The Flash defies all forms of physics with his super speed because the speed force. Meanwhile Gauss over here has canonically caused heat damage to himself

Etc etc

[robust arch]

how fast is gauss canon

is he like light speed or

[robust arch]

so gauss body cant take his own speed

[lilac aspen]

The only two people the warframes would have zero issues with is the pure human members
Like Batman and green arrow (until Batman puts on his plot armorium suit on)

[strange turtle]

No no see this one warframe can do this really cool punch that canonically can only break walls, but they used a bunch of fancy words when describing it and we (incorrectly) calculated it and turns out it can actually vaporise the corona of the sun

[strange plinth]

he has the wave behind him in the prime trailer but that's pretty much our only reference for that

[robust arch]

so id say like not light speed m

[lilac aspen]

Gauss prime in Redline broke the sound barrier

[robust arch]

maybe quick silver speed

so you‘re telling me wonder woman wouldve ended the warframe story line in like a day 💔😭

[lilac aspen]

My Corpus in Profit
Wonder Woman is actually closer to Godhood than the Warframes are

[robust arch]

wonderwoman is op though shes canonicslly a speedster

[strange plinth]

"My Corpus in Profit" i'm stealing that thanks

[lilac aspen]

Wally is basically just another Tuesday to the justice league

[robust arch]

theyd probably leave him to the teen titans

[lilac aspen]

Sentients? Oh boy they’re machines so you know Batman won’t apply the no kill rule

[strange turtle]

Wait Batman doesn’t apply the rule to AI?

[robust arch]

not to anything that cant process feelings

dont think he kills aliens either

actually doesnt wisp literally open a portal to the sun

[strange plinth]

Sol Gate yeah

[robust arch]

and isnt inaros the reason mars is the way it is

[strange plinth]

don't believe so
mars is just like that
inaros defended a colony from the orokin n died but that's about it tmk

[robust arch]

ohh

so who is lore wise the strongest frame

is it nidus

[pale cedar]

The one you’re using

[strange plinth]

by name, chroma
(lotus calls him one of the strongest during New Strange or something idr)
otherwise there's no proper scaling

[lilac aspen]

His rule seems to really only apply to people/entities very humanlike

[pale cedar]

Players should stop using TikTok for info

[lilac aspen]

Clearly he owns an air fryer

[robust arch]

did saryn kill everyone on earth at one point

[mystic lynx]

Theoretically probably Mag, Nova or Limbo in terms of what power they're manipulating but for feats
Idk probably Gauss, Saryn, or Atlas

[pale cedar]

There’s no strongest frame

[strange plinth]

yeah i'll incorporate that into my belief system
chroma canonically owns an air fryer

[strange turtle]

what

[strange turtle]

No, she did not

What gave you that idea?

[robust arch]

i thought saryn like wiped out a planet

and mods are canon too arent they

[pale cedar]

Frames aren’t made to be the strongest they are built for a purpose only

[robust arch]

why is everything canon in warframe like are we the gamer canon too 😭

[strange turtle]

I think you’re getting Inaros’ thing mixed up Saryn’s design purpose

[lilac aspen]

I think Chroma is considered strong cause like

Imagine having the power to switch between 4 elements, and then one of his powers is literally “the more you hit me, the stronge-

….
Oh no

[pale cedar]

Not everything is canon in Warframe

[robust arch]

then u have his weak ass dragon thing

[lilac aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-gif-23761134

Chroma’s just senator armstrong

[robust arch]

do they purposely add like a trash ability on every frame so u can helmith it

[pale cedar]

There’s a ton of things in Warframe that are only gameplay

[robust arch]

bc who actually uses novas portal

[swift sentinel]

Helminth is relatively new, so no

[pale cedar]

Kaya
Players wanting to fast travel

[lilac aspen]

Nah it’s just sometimes the abilities lose purpose due to the game evolving

Nova’s portal is useful still but was extremely useful when Warframe’s mobility wasn’t as great as today

[strange plinth]

me lol
they're great for long hallways
-# or sending a friend across the map
-# or above the respawn barrier at one point

[robust arch]

if u want to fast travel on a character then use like literally any one else

[robust arch]

ibsee

so is chroma still good now

[pale cedar]

There’s no bad frame

[robust arch]

or has characters with overguard kind of shadowed him

[swift sentinel]

He's pretty outdated

[strange turtle]

Respawn barrier?

[robust arch]

overshadowed*

[lilac aspen]

Chroma the credit collector will always have a use

[robust arch]

i think all chroma mains just play to aura farm on him

he is the best looking frame by a long shot

[tall echo]

A lot of ppl

[tall echo]

No

[robust arch]

is he still good at eidelol hunting or not really akymore

[swift sentinel]

Profit Taker is where you'll see Chroma most

[tall echo]

Chroma is just a joke, he's been for a while

[swift sentinel]

Eidolons is Volt I think. It's been a while

[robust arch]

damn he has all that fashion to be a pocket watcher 😭

[lilac aspen]

I mainly use him for Credit farming but sometimes I do use him for actual fun

He has some uses still, at least to me

[robust arch]

he‘ll get a rework soon

[lilac aspen]

He’s already been reworked

[tall echo]

All 3 chroma enjoyers are running on copium

[robust arch]

guess thats what happens when your game throws characters in the trash with every new frame

[tall echo]

When, in 2012?

[swift sentinel]

Not quite how it happens.

[strange plinth]

one of the venus defense tilesets has a respawn zone if you get too far up in it
sends you back near the defense objective
nova's portals can send you above it so you fall into it rather than jumping into it
was just funny that the zone that actually respawns you is fairly short

[strange plinth]

maybe

[tall echo]

Note: I'm one of them

[lilac aspen]

False, I am all of them

[tall echo]

Chroma was my first prime I am legally obligated to be one of them

[robust arch]

so you wouldnt argue vauban got thrown in the trash when characters like khora got released?

[lilac aspen]

Got me there
Fair point

[tall echo]

No

[robust arch]

i havent seen a vauban in a match since like 2021 im not even lying

[tall echo]

Vauban is good

[lilac aspen]

Vauban is fun
Throwing his balls at enemies

[strange plinth]

not including myself using vauban for a bit for mr, i saw one during belly of the beast
they're uncommon but not nonexistent

• sco.op exists

[robust arch]

what abt ember with the recent release of temple or however u say their name i forgot

[tall echo]

Doesn't mean he's bad

[robust arch]

yeah but i feel most of the community has the „why use this when i can just get this“

[tall echo]

There's millions of players, every frame is used by at least like 50 of them

[robust arch]

except oberon

[tall echo]

I know multiple oberon mains

[robust arch]

you‘d probably be better off using your tenno than using oberon

[strange plinth]

tbf temple is also obtainable much later into progression
and ember still has enough to stand on her own, even after that

[tall echo]

The loud minority maybe

[lilac aspen]

Oberon superiority
My goat is getting his rework

[robust arch]

i hope limbo gets a rework

[tall echo]

Every frame has a niche except chroma

[robust arch]

im very upset they nerfed his 4 still

[strange plinth]

chroma's niche is the credit doubler

[mystic lynx]

Wdym he has the extra cred drop

[robust arch]

whys he good at credits

[tall echo]

I genuinely can't find anything chroma does better than other frames

[robust arch]

fashion

[mystic lynx]

A reference to Smoug probably (or whatever that dragon from the hobbit is named)

[swift sentinel]

Dragons and gold predate Smaug

[robust arch]

so if u wanna aura farm on a new player then drop the wolf beacon you use croma

[tall echo]

Every time someone brings up the credits thing I want to personally break every bone in their dominant hand

[robust arch]

so the chroma thing is an inside joke

hes literally good at nothing

[strange plinth]

4th gives a brief credit booster, in terms of gameplay

[strange plinth]

valid tbh
i am aware that i'm included in this

[tall echo]

That's not an important mechanic

[lilac aspen]

Chroma’s true purpose is aura farming with fashion

[robust arch]

so whos more outdated him or oberon

[mystic lynx]

Tbf it's as niche as it can get

[swift sentinel]

Oberon

[tall echo]

Chroma 10000%

[mystic lynx]

Every other niche of a frame is either there's multiple wf that can do it or is Limbo

[robust arch]

limbo is just to be annoying

[tall echo]

Oberon players actually like the frame, chroma "players" just like money

[tall echo]

Hello opinion from 2015

[robust arch]

bc apparently eximus enemies can transcend reality now so they can shoot limbo in the void

i still believe that eximus buff was literally only to nerf limbo bc people kept complaining abt him

[tall echo]

Rift, all abilities bypass the rift

Always have, always will

[robust arch]

rift

[mystic lynx]

Just their abilities iirc
So it's like 4 eximus i think?

Blitz, Jade Light, purple energy drain, leech

[robust arch]

true but like the whole point is to not get damaged in the rift

[tall echo]

Arson

[tall echo]

All the abilities are easily avoidable

[robust arch]

and end game has eximus everywhere so does that not make his rift just useless at that point

i guess, i just want justice for limbo man

and stop adding helmets with that ugly ass top hat

[mystic lynx]

No cuz with stasis you can just focus down the eximus while everything else is frozen

[robust arch]

i reckon i reckon

[mystic lynx]

He's still bad by all means but still

[robust arch]

hes still power crept

[tall echo]

Limbo does have one useless ability but aside from that he's just a skill frame

[robust arch]

they need to rework him or just make it to where ur teamstes dont get cucked by him

[tall echo]

They already did the second thing

[robust arch]

bc i feel like if they make it to where u can shoot outside of the rift then he just power creeps frost

limbo rework and give him a good skin

[tall echo]

He has good skins

[mystic lynx]

He probably has one of the best skin lineup

Excluding the super ugly base skin

[robust arch]

brotha eugh

[tall echo]

Only issue of the base skin is the doug dimmadome hat

Proof being the popularity of the graxx skin

[robust arch]

imo his skins are the worst next to frost not including proto

[lilac aspen]

Limbo has drip

[mystic lynx]

A shame truly his base skin has a really good texture on the cape

[robust arch]

will they ever release frost heirloom again

[tall echo]

No

[robust arch]

i stayed with frost during the rough days man

[tall echo]

Frost and mag heirloom got FOMOd

[robust arch]

the days where my bubbles would pop from a grineer sneezing on it

the days where everyone called him trash when gara came out 💔

[mystic lynx]

Wdym look at how much dandyism his base prime skin is

[robust arch]

that top hat has GOT to go bro

[strange plinth]

that's part of his visual theme
like
magicians having a top hat is part of the bit

[robust arch]

i know

[proper barn]

He has a top hat

[robust arch]

and its ugly

[proper barn]

Normally.

[proper barn]

We disagree.

[robust arch]

but this skin is the ugliest

[humble sierra]

Oberon is probably my least favorite frame visually

I think his base is better than the prime

[mystic lynx]

Egg head lol

[robust arch]

they mustve found garudas skin in the garbage too next to her frame bc that is Awful

[strange plinth]

hinsa isn't great, no
but i won't stand for garuda slander

[robust arch]

and the best detault prime skin is either zephyr or yareli

also is zephyrs deluxe based off evangelion

[mystic lynx]

Could be worse
Could be Nova Asuri skin

[mystic lynx]

Huh? Wich eva looks like the harrier skin?

[robust arch]

looks like a caterpillar drawn by my 3 yr old nephew

[robust arch]

yes that

[mystic lynx]

Oh right the base color and the shoulder

[robust arch]

actually ash‘s batman skin is the worst😭

[proper barn]

I hate saying stuff like this about skins

Cuz its so like personal what you think looks good.

[proper barn]

Cuz I like how this looks lmao.

[robust arch]

yeah thats true

i used to think vaubans skin was based off full metak alch

[fiery bolt]

Since the skin of warframe are made from solidified infested tissue, does that mean a warframe is more heavier than a normal human ?

[strange plinth]

that would be a pretty safe assumption i think

[robust arch]

u mean like aversge weight of a human

[mystic lynx]

Wait does that mean all the gold in a prime is also infested stuff?

[robust arch]

like female 140 standard and male 170 depending on country but thats the best baseline to use

i wouldnt think wisp weighs a lot

[fiery bolt]

yeah

but i can heasilly assume that Qorvex is the heaviest since he made of concrete

[robust arch]

or xaku

xaku using the 4th cant be more than like 50 pounds 😭

[strange plinth]

daklo does say "orokin gold. wasted" so the gold in primes is prolly real gold

[robust arch]

whats the canon in primes

are they just fancy versions orkins made

[humble sierra]

Some are upgrades, some aren't

[robust arch]

didnt lavos prime himself

[humble sierra]

Yep

[strange plinth]

they're just a fancy design variant, essentially
some frames started prime, others earned it
lavos primed himself
rev's an anomaly

[robust arch]

bro got so bored he primed himself

[humble sierra]

Revenant Prime just showed up

[strange plinth]

mhm

[robust arch]

showed up like

how

[strange plinth]

"what is this fatherless aberration"

[mystic lynx]

Ballas actually questioned Rev prime right?

[robust arch]

also i just noticed octavia is black

or was

they do our hair very well in the game

first game that doesnt do the killmonger cut for God sake

[humble sierra]

Base Revenant wasn't the original, he was warped by the Eidolon plains, so Rev Prime shouldn't exist

[strange plinth]

revenant doesn't exist until after the collapse i think
revenant prime shows up during the old war, CE'd by the unum or something

[robust arch]

so rev prime just showedbup one day

[fiery bolt]

eternalism
Rev is not real
rev is real

[robust arch]

so hes a frame made by eidelons

and hes the most hated frame bc how easy he is

[humble sierra]

Not made, just changed

[mystic lynx]

Not quite, warped

[robust arch]

why does he get the hate but not octavia

[strange plinth]

the original frame, Warden, was struck down by the eidolon when he hesitated one day
eventually re-emerged as revenant

[robust arch]

oh i see i see

so hes chill with the sentients now

any lore on octavia or not really

[strange plinth]

something related to cephalon suda iirc

[mystic lynx]

She acts as the anthem or something when the tenno revolution start iirc?

[robust arch]

i might look up on her im interested in her lore

[mystic lynx]

The prime at least does

[robust arch]

why dint they ever nerf her

[lilac aspen]

More like chill with the zombie Sentients

[strange plinth]

oh yeah she's part of the drumbeats that started the night of naga drums

[robust arch]

why do they nerf some franes but leave octavia and rev broken

[strange plinth]

they definitely have, i'm pretty sure

[mystic lynx]

Fair and balanced frame

[robust arch]

i mean is she really u can run steel path and do your hw while playing her

[mystic lynx]

Hard to nerf a frame who's core kit is scalable dmg from the enemies

[robust arch]

true

it balences it out bc no one wants to play lazy frames

so ig theres no need to nerf her

[strange plinth]

the rev stats last year:

[robust arch]

werent those stats newer players tjo

tho

[mystic lynx]

Speak for yourself I'm the most active octavia player i know running melee and bad apple as my mandachord

[robust arch]

who got hit with the hardest nerf in game history

was it dante even though hes still good

[humble sierra]

Slams with crates

[mystic lynx]

If we count indirect nerf probably Limbo

[humble sierra]

Idgaf about spamming slams to kill enemies

I only did it for crates

[robust arch]

didnt chroma get nerfed

[humble sierra]

No, "Chroma is one of the most powerful Warframes"

[robust arch]

nah direct only

i dont even consider that limbo nerf indirect that was the most obvious direct nerf oat

[strange plinth]

i do hope we can get some way to get the range back only for crates because its annoying

[humble sierra]

And sabotage targets

[robust arch]

also is sev good now besides him helmith ability now

like people actually use his warframe now ive noticed

[eager dragon]

Sevagoth is amazing bro

[robust arch]

did they buff him?

[robust arch]

couldve sworn he was only a helmith frame

[eager dragon]

Kinda? The Shadow got certain things fixed, and he got 2 augments

[robust arch]

at one point

[mystic lynx]

He's always been good it's just no one wants to spend 15 forma on a frama
Alternatively just use roar over 4

[strange plinth]

augments nuke super easily

[robust arch]

he has good fashion his prime at least

im building him and ash rn

[mystic lynx]

Cuz back then gloom > seva as a whole sadly

[robust arch]

but now hes actually good

[eager dragon]

To be honest other than some relatively niche scenarios I would never put Roar over the Shadow instead of over Gloom.

[robust arch]

i like ash‘s 4 even though ppl just helmith that

[mystic lynx]

True that
Exalted super valuable on this restricted era content

[proper barn]

No they dont?

Its always been his best ability

Even before the buff. @robust arch

[robust arch]

the one where he subs in for his clones?

[proper barn]

That's not his 4

His 4 is just his clones which have always been good.

[robust arch]

whicherver one he subs in for the clones

[tall echo]

That's an extra mechanic of teleport not a standalone ability

[robust arch]

whats zephys lore yall

[tall echo]

Bird up

[robust arch]

real

[tall echo]

Zephyr has no lore sadly

[mystic lynx]

What caused frames like Jade, Stalker, and Umbra to be sentient?

[lean garden]

By virtue of their makers being dingbats

all of them are torture methods

and all of them have mad drive to keep some parts of their persona intact

Jade with her baby, Stalker with the same baby and revenge, and Umbra by intent so he could remember killing his son over and over again

[mystic lynx]

So the difference is those 3 is essentially too angry to be erased?

[lean garden]

not really

umbra was purposely built like that

and Jade isnt angry

[tall echo]

The difference is that they were intentionally forced to be sentient

[north jolt]

I think with Stalker it's a bit more complicated. The revenge aspect wouldn't of come until much later after the tenno revolt, so prior to that the thing actually keeping some aspect of his personality and sanity in check was probably ❤️ ✨ love ✨ ❤️ specifically for his wife and kid

[humble sierra]

Also the Orokin being like "Hey, look, you broke the rules so we turned you and your wife into horrific steelflesh"

and forcing him to be aware of that fact

[north jolt]

You mean Umbra or Stalker?

Cause Stalker was still loyal to the Orokin up until Jade's shadow (why he hunts and kills Tenno)

[tall echo]

Stalker obv

[north jolt]

I thought so but I was confused cause it sounded like they meant Stalker wanted revenge against the Orokin

[tall echo]

It did not. At all

[north jolt]

Ok

[radiant crown]

Do we know or do we have theories on what our part of the deal was?

[lilac aspen]

Flashlight clearly

[silk atlas]

no

[half vortex]

It's a really nice globelight.

[worldly sage]

My thought was what Eleanor points out in a conversation

That maybe the offering of the globelight was just vague enough for Wally to pull a devil's deal on us

[quiet ruin]

I think a lot about what it says about our operator/drifters character to have been keeping it together and making rounds helping the other kids calm down even the weird kid tapping on the wall.

[oblique siren]

YEAH MAN... I get very emotional over our Operator and Drifter

[quiet ruin]

A good kid and the perfect sort of character for wally to manipulate

[oblique siren]

Ya...

Honestly, everything about the Zariman and the Tenno make me

[vast cedar]

fair

just one unlucky kid who was too nice for their own good

[oblique siren]

Probably would rather take a risk being nice than let someone suffer

[vast cedar]

that indeed

[quiet ruin]

Too nice and just brave enough.

They seemed to know all the students. Likely were with them for a few years at least.

No idea how long the zariman road out before the void jump

[half vortex]

Oh, my Tenno is an outright conceited jerk who thinks she knows best, but at least the narrative allows her to be a hero.

I modeled her after my old EVE character, and that pilot was a menace.

[quiet ruin]

But it was long enough to build some comraderie

Lore leaves room for interpretation, what your tenno becomes is entirely up to you :)

[half vortex]

Colony ship like that, could have been years, yeah. Especially with the level of infrastructure on the Zariman, they probably expected generations before the single jump catastrophe kicked in.

[quiet ruin]

Mine is a bit of a bratty know it all honestly, but my drifter is chill and teases him like a big brother should despite technically being the younger one most likely.

I've put way too much into my drifter and operator lore its a little embarrassing HAHA

[half vortex]

Nah, the lore in this game is great, it encourages structuring out your Tenno! Part of a living world and all.

[quiet ruin]

Its so fun, my ultimate weakness.

[tall echo]

It was

Because the kiddo said "you can take [my light]"

[tall echo]

My operator is me; friendly, honest, thinking one or two steps ahead

And if you're a bad person watch out 'cause I won't wait for karma

[oblique siren]

I think my Operator sometimes messes with my Drifter, but like a little sibbling.

Like Lilo and Nani, or Hikari and Taichi from Digimon. XD

I still haven't settled on a name for them, but ultimately they both try to do good.

[tall echo]

Names are not my strength

[oblique siren]

Honestly, everything about the Zariman tileset and the environmental storytelling there makes me want to bite things; it's so good.. How the warmth of the tenno hiding spaces contrasts the coldness of the Void flooded areas. The propaganda sprinkled throughout the ship, and the art done by the kids

[tall echo]

Either my characters are called scrap or I just combine letters that might sound cool

[oblique siren]

I kinda wanna go with a flower name.

Maybe Violet.

[tall echo]

Examples from my elden ring files:
Asrez
Sive
Ganir
Gajal
Korv

[oblique siren]

Good names c:

[tall echo]

I try to get the vibe of the build in the name

[half vortex]

I abuse the heck out of Behind the Name, it's a name etymology and meaning site.

[tall echo]

For example korv is a barbarian, ganir is a knight

[oblique siren]

Oh, Behind the Name is a GREAT resource

[half vortex]

I absolutely love it! It's usually more accurate for name sources and meanings than generic baby naming site 9021. Also doesn't push baby stuff into my ad feed.

[oblique siren]

XD

[tall echo]

If they seem short it's bc the letter limit for names is STRICT and I always give them titles

[oblique siren]

Have you used Behind the Last Name? (Might be Behind the Surname)

[half vortex]

Yup, Behind the Surname. Sometimes when I'm writing more serious fic or stories, but sometimes choosing the right name is such a feat, choosing a culturally workable last name on top of that?

I admire people who can create great paired names, because I'm lousy at it.

[normal mountain]

Ganir sounds like an actual Norse name
course that could just be me thinking it sounds like Gungnir, Odin's spear

[tall echo]

Ik

[quiet ruin]

My operator/drifter was named Orenai (random and felt warframe-ish.)

But i had a running joke with the operator and drifter complaining to eachother that they cant have the same name even if they are the same person because its confusing and operator refused to accept "kid" as a nickname so drifter being the adult decided to be the "bigger person" and choose a new name.

Went with "Ainero" which was a stupid joke, just orenai's name backwards and slightly off.

But then it ended up sticking and the idea of them having the same names but reversed fit thematically and drifter/ainero decides to stick with it even into 1999 when there's no reason for him not to go back to his real name.

[lost lion]

I did something a little similar, I designed my operator with Heterochromatic eyes, left blue and right red. When I played New War and found out Operator and drifter were the 2 versions of the same person, I gave drifter the same eyes but swapped the sides (right blue and left red) as a sort of mirror image kinda deal. It also concidentally worked out that due to my laziness in character creation, drifter already looked like the Operator but older. (I did Duviri before 2nd Dream)

[half vortex]

Oh, I love the backwards Drifter name, that is fantastic.

I got lazy. I'm KittZehn in game, and so are my Operator and Drifter. Although Drifter Kitt kinda looks like a disheveled wine mom, which I have no intentions of changing because it's ridiculous.

[quiet ruin]

U know what that's based, lets go wine mom

[humble sierra]

Speaking of backwards names—

At the end of New War Act 1, Ballas cuts off the Lotus' hand and lets her fall into the Void. The hand then falls into Duviri, and the Drifter uses it to escape, then to reconstruct the Lotus from that hand using Archon Shards.

What if the rest of the Lotus comes back 😱 and her name is Sutol, and she is evil?!?!?!

[half vortex]

I think the rest of Lotus was destroyed, given how toxic the void is to Sentients, but that would be kind of a hilarious evil twin twist.

[misty salmon]

Alternatively, with the sentient name she's rollin, she's Hatan.

[half vortex]

That's... terrible and brilliant. And sounds like something Rebb would be 100% on board with.

Silugram either sounds like a nonsense unit of measurement or a prescription drug.

[tall echo]

Not just toxic, it does straight up slowly dissolve them

[lilac aspen]

“I am Hatan, prepare yourself for destruction, Tenno.”

[lost lion]

Speaking of the Lotus, what choice did you make for her at the end of New War?

I went with Natah cause I felt like she was never able to accept/be the Natah she wanted to cause of Ballas and her family, and post new war she had a new chance.

[lilac aspen]

I did lotus
She was not Margulis
But she is no longer Natah as even Hunhow said death leaves its mark on even Sentients

[humble sierra]

I did Lotus. She was born Natah. She was forced to be Margulis. But she chose to be the Lotus.

[pallid spoke]

I also felt that Lotus was the morally correct choice.

Felt the implication that Lotus is who she wanted to be, considering Lotus Radiant is the form she assumed after killing Ballas.

[normal mountain]

I just wanted Lotus back
Forget the skin, I could buy that later

[pallid spoke]

That too.

[half vortex]

I'll admit, I'm full Sun alignment, so I went Natah, but I probably would have gone with her anyway, because Natah looks really cool. Plus I felt like she was an interesting bridge and maybe even olive branch between us and the sympathetic Sentients, and I figured they'd start to factor more into future story.

[rose estuary]

Isn’t the name the only thing affected though?

[half vortex]

Technically, yeah. Since when you change her skin, you change her associated voice delivery.

Unless the esoteric mysterious workings of the possibly forgotten alignment system matter to you.

[pallid spoke]

It does also change some of her voicelines in Angels of the Zariman.

[half vortex]

(I hated choosing the sun choice for Glast Gambit)

But it did make for some interesting character contemplation for the Tenno afterward.

[pallid spoke]

They very quickly seemed to scrap that idea for all quests after that though, people didn't like being forced to watch other people play the quest to see the different dialogue.

[rose estuary]

Plus more work for Rebecca

[royal shadow]

What lives in the tau system

[lean garden]

spongebob squarepants

but more seriously, the Sentients

[royal shadow]

Woah

is patrick gonna be a playable frame

[humble sierra]

Too Op

[royal shadow]

Aren’t those made by the orokin

[humble sierra]

Yes

[lean garden]

well yea

[royal shadow]

how come they live in a system that their creators didn’t reach

[lean garden]

because they were sent to terraform it for the orokin

[humble sierra]

The Orokin terraformed and drained the Sol/Origin system of its resources so they sent the Sentients to Tau to make it inhabitable for them

[silk atlas]

They were sent there.

[lean garden]

and then they decide to keep Tau for themselves

[humble sierra]

Because they knew that the Orokin would just ruin Tau like they did Sol

[royal shadow]

ah so the sentient who are sent there weren’t like the ones fought in old war?

[lean garden]

I mean, they're of the same cloth

[humble sierra]

Some Sentients who went there came back to fight the Orokin

[lean garden]

for the sentients to fight in the Old War they must come from Tau

[humble sierra]

Hunhow was one of the biggest ones (literally and figuratively)

[royal shadow]

So they were sent there
Lived there
Came back to fight

[humble sierra]

Most Sentients we fight are pieces of him, I believe

[royal shadow]

thats actually sick what

and i keep hearing about sol, is it a moon like lua or something

[humble sierra]

Yep, and Old Peace seems to imply that they got their asses kicked so they brokered a treaty

[humble sierra]

Sol is just the name for our Sun

[lean garden]

... the sun homie, sol is the sun

[humble sierra]

Sol-ar system

[royal shadow]

🥸

well nice to know that

Thanks guys

[tall echo]

"Three are the principles,
three the weaving ways.

Cool water flows,
the moon behind a cloud;
To the receptive mind
All things come in time.

Sun at mid-heaven,
Sovereign above all;
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting.

Between sun and moon
Unfolds a winding path;
Not by one Way alone
Is Mastery achieved.

Let me explain, Child. The words I speak to you have purpose. The choices you've been forced to make have not attuned you to 'good' nor 'evil', but to older, less subjective principles. You must find comfort in your choices, for your enemies will provide you none. The road ahead will be one that requires more choices of you, Child. Be ready."

Being full sun basically means you're an anime protag. No thoughts, just action

[half vortex]

Yup, Kitt was meant to be a hothead, stubborn and dramatic little jerk who acts first, thinks and asks forgiveness later, if ever. Just shy of holier than thou, pretty full of herself, even if she does mean well. Sun works well for her.

Granted, the old character I based her off of (my EVE main) was a reckless suicide scout and bait tackler for a pirate crew, so she's had a history to her.

[tall echo]

I'm almost perfectly balanced in the middle

[glacial bough]

I'll always be neutral tending towards Moon. Make the logical choice in the end

[pallid spoke]

I'm mostly neutral, but leaning a little towards sun.

I think the only moon choice I ever picked on my main was letting Teshin kill the Elder Queen.

Like I was going to deny him after he said "a chance to kill you, and now I finally have it"

Was that the moon or neutral choice, I forgot.

[cosmic badge]

I think im aligned on i think the sun side (whatever white is) but the bottom i think is diagonal if thats anything to go off of

[half vortex]

I think the two main times I would have deviated were Glast Gambit (letting the little girl decide her fate felt like the only morally right choice) and which line from Lotus you wanted to hear during The Sacrifice (I think my devastated Tenno would have preferred "My child... so beautiful to behold. How do you feel?" while I wanted to hear "Dream, not of what you are, but of what you want to be.")

[half vortex]

Yeah, that was the moon choice, letting Teshin kill her. The other two have him hold off.

Neutral kills her instead, and Sun lets her die a miserable slow death in her decaying husk.

[pallid spoke]

I couldn't remember which of you killing her and Teshin killing her was the neutral and moon options.

Besides, me killing her would've been too cliche, Teshin deserved it.

Same reason I'm not upset about Lotus getting the final kill on Ballas at the end of New War.

[normal mountain]

I just let the Elder queen wither away
War Within was about the only time I deviated from straight Neutral

But even, I made sure my choices balanced in the end
~guess who drank the Kuva~

[pallid spoke]

I destroyed the Kuva.
Maybe that's why I hate rolling Rivens.

[half vortex]

Yeah, after all the crap Ballas put her through, she deserved that kill shot.

[pallid spoke]

"Are you mad at me kiddo?" definitely made the MITW introduction jumpscare more impactful than the other options.

[half vortex]

It tasted like fruit punch, right?

[normal mountain]

Has nothing to do with it, I assure you
I too hate rolling rivens

[normal mountain]

wish I knew
my character won't tell me

[cosmic badge]

I want to think it tastes like strawberry just to be funny

[pallid spoke]

Didn't the Ordan Karris story confirm that Kuva tastes like blood?

[normal mountain]

Funnier
Tiger's Blood

[half vortex]

Mmm, tasty snow cone.

[lilac aspen]

Ordan must have quite a culinary experience to be able to differentiate blood

[half vortex]

He can probably differentiate by blood type or something equally edgy. XD

[wise saddle]

play werframe

[humble sierra]

The Anarch faction we see in the Old Peace appear to be loyalists to the Orokin and view the Sentients as enemies.

In Lullaby of the Manifold, there's a lyric that suggests the Sentients have claimed Tau as their own, perhaps independent or adjacent to the Orokin Empire.

Velvet blue the meadows lie
Though the haughty ones defy
Gold shall never break our tie
To that far shore forlorn

My theory is that the Orokin are the ones directly behind them to create unrest and ruin the treaty so that the Sentients attack again, because they know the Tenno/Warframes will win. That's how the Anarchs are capable of creating Core Overrides and making the Sentients go crazy.

Basically the plot of Zootopia

[misty salmon]

Could see the whole thing being two different groups of Orokin bickering over how to take Tau over. Could honestly see Ballas being both sides of that fight too.

[half vortex]

I kinda wonder if the faction split (which I also think is a split in the Orokin) will lead to the defectors becoming what will become the Corpus in the modern day.

[mystic lynx]

Do all wf originally created from a single human/creature?

[glacial bough]

All were were originally made from people, yes

[oblique siren]

What I love in Lullaby is, probably just a happy coincidence, that "all our kin" sounds a little like "Orokin".

And given the relation between the two groups, I think it's neat

[misty salmon]

The corpus almost certainly came from the underclasses, rather then the sorts of movers and shakers that would be making decisions about Tau.

[strange plinth]

the corpus would've already been separate, no?

[glacial bough]

They explicitly did

[mystic lynx]

What i mean to say is
Do all wf were a single person?
Cuz originally i thought wfs were made by some primodial helminth soup created from human
But wfs like Jade, Mirage, Umbra, Stalker is just 1 single person, not multiple people combined into 1 singular warframe

[glacial bough]

And yes, The Corpus existed before the Zariman left

[glacial bough]

Yes, one person makes one frame. That's explicit from the Sacrifice

[mystic lynx]

Ic thx

[humble sierra]

The only Warframe that might be multiple people is Xaku— and that's because Xaku is one Warframe made up of bits of 3 different Warframes

[misty salmon]

Parvos was definitely a serf class before founding the Corpus, and I don't see the ideology appealing to the existing elites very much.
"Oh, I should give up this life of ease and power, to toil hard and make money for Parvos' pyramid scheme" - One very bored Orokin.

[humble sierra]

There's also a bit that implies the voice of ambition that fueled Parvos was the Man in the Wall

[misty salmon]

I could however totally see the Corpus acting as arms dealers for the rebels, providing them with weapons, their Orokin backers with plausible deniability, and Parvos with glorious glorious profit.

[amber bridge]

All I am wanting now in a Few Years is a New Endless, The Night Of the Naga Drums

just Murdering every Orokin

[humble sierra]

Remembering the Night of the Naga Drums would go unfathomably hard

[amber bridge]

level 1-10, but only Primes without Mods

[misty salmon]

beating them down with unmodded ceremonial weapons and decorative flagpoles.

[amber bridge]

because lets be real, The Orokin will have basically no fighting ability

[hexed oxide]

Nihil:

[amber bridge]

Knowing the current Lore, they are 'too godlike' to be put down by a bunch of Children

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-smash-loki-avengers-puny-gif-12082780

[smoky lake]

When I played the new war and gotten through the time skip and fled the narmer base I genuinely didn't expect Drifter to be to person I was playing as, like I didn't know he could get to the system. But how exactly does he transfer from Durivi to the System?

[hexed oxide]

The zariman

[strange plinth]

yeah
escapes duviri into the zariman, presumably
how they get to earth is a little weirder but maybe a "functioning" parallax or something