lore-discussion

[glacial bough]

She's one of the main things standing between him and the Tenno

[lean garden]

I dont think thats the case

there isnt anywhere that says she made a deal

and every time someone brings up Lua, its like they forget that we destroy the mechanisms that kept it in the void in the first place

or that the orokin regularly shoved installations in the void

[analog glade]

Yea, I don't think lua would have been part of the deal. Just good work on behalf of the orokin probably preplanning to phasing planets into the void.

if anything, it shows they planned on escaping into the void on their main fortified moon from the sentients as a last stop gap.

[pale cedar]

It is never said she made a deal in game

[gray silo]

Jade prime... another eight formas down the drain

[analog glade]

Never said it was, I said it was said, or hearsay

[pale cedar]

Players keep misconstruing her dialogue to make out she made a deal

[lilac aspen]

Clearly Stalker

He manifests the concept of Jade Prime for his wife because he’s just him

[strange turtle]

“I miss my wife Tenno, I miss her a lot”

“I’ll be ba- holy shit”

[hybrid silo]

Is my lore correct

Orokin rise -> orokin make senti -> senti mad -> senti kill orokin ->zarimen lost in void -> children have void power now -> ball ass make warframe for children with void power -> ball ass kill his wife -> ball ass betray orokin -> ball ass ally with senti - grandpa hunhow make his daughter be our mommy -> mommy lotus betray senti -> game start

[bright temple]

The Sentients didn’t kill the Orokin, that was the work of the Tenno (the Night of the Naga Drums IIRC), which happened after the Old War ended.

That would right before game start/when Lotus took the kids and the moon in the divorce.

Everything else is more or less correct? Though the Warframes weren’t made for the Tenno, they were being made as a weapon to fight the Sentients, but couldn’t be controlled.

It just happened so that it was found out that the Tenno could placate and control them through Transference.

[misty salmon]

I'd move the Zariman incident earlier, probably after creation of sentients but before they got angry and went to war.

[bright temple]

Yeah, Sentients were sent ahead of time to construct the Solar Rail and terraform Tau, and the Zariman 10-0 was carrying the first wave of colonists to Tau.

[glacial bough]

Zariman was before the Sentents, (maybe)

[silk atlas]

It's not.

[misty salmon]

it's ambiguious in game, but one of the devs suggested it was a result of a faction of Orokin getting impatient with how long the sentient project would take during one of the recent discussion panels.

[silk atlas]

They made the Zariman because the Orokin were impatient about the Sentients getting there

[glacial bough]

That's why it's maybe. It depends on how much stock you put into the interview

[misty salmon]

It doesn't actively contradict existing evidence that I'm aware of. Everything still fits ok if the order of those two things gets swapped around. I can accept it barring an obvious flaw arising.

and while I wouldn't put it beyond the Orokin to send colonists into a war zone, I got the impression that the Old War would have precluded such frivolous uses of material. Which would put it post sentient, pre Old War.

[silk atlas]

It's word of god until they bother putting into the game

[lean garden]

according to adrian bott, the sentients werent preparing Tau for the zariman, since the zariman was intended to beat the sentients there by impatient blue skins

[bright temple]

https://tenor.com/view/renge-shrug-non-non-biyori-idk-duck-face-gif-9724581

Everyone keeps saying conflicting things so I am just gonna label this as headcanon for now

[silk atlas]

If the Sentients did their job (and the Orokin weren't impatient and just waited), then the Zariman wouldn't be necessary

Because people could just then use the Solar Rail to get there

[lean garden]

but the blueskins really couldnt wait and sent a colony ship out ahead of the terraformers

[pale cedar]

I still preferred the old Zariman went first than the new info tbh

[misty salmon]

tried to... it erm... didn't get very far.

or got far further than it should have, depending on how one looks at it I suppose.

[normal mountain]

Or broke down on the freeway

[strange turtle]

It went, just never made it

[north jolt]

The Orokin weren't too bright

[tall echo]

Yeah the new one is kinda unnecessary

[west cliff]

is it just me or has this been here since Whispers in the wall? (the Quest that gave us the Cavia and Human Loid)

[stray oracle]

He doesn’t look very in the wall….

[misty salmon]

guy is the wall, abs like bricks.

[stray oracle]

How’s the saying go?
“Put your hands up against and face the wall… AND I AM THE WALL”

[steel compass]

We are so screwed

[strange plinth]

yeah he's always been there

[restive river]

He’s been there since Whispers, yeah

[humble sierra]

Yeah it just feels a bit of an unnecessary addition. And tbh unless there's an in-game source for it too where it matters, I might just keep the old order-of-events as the headcanon

[north jolt]

So like, do we actually know who Pazuul is? are they actually they're own seperate entity/person or like a persona made up by Eris?

[humble sierra]

They seem to be separate. Erra can "break free" during some Archon Hunt missions and he apologizes to the Tenno and Natah.

Lotus believes that Nira is behind it.

[north jolt]

(also thanks for correcting me :p) yeah, maybe this will be explored more soon since the new update coming is more sentient theme, least hopefully. Otherwise I have to imagine that Pazuul is like some kind of parasite (either literally or figuratively) puppeting Erra around

Maybe he somehow got to Erra right as he was on the brink of death or something?

[humble sierra]

I think there might've been a line about the other Archons forcing the head onto him? But yeah, it definitely seems like the Ram Head is Pazuul and controlling him.

[north jolt]

But like I said it does make me wonder if "Pazuul" was ever they're own distinct person to begin with, or if what you say is true then like some kind of puppet leader propped up by the other Archons to keep the cult going

I think that or Pazuul being its own distinct, but parasitic entity latching onto Erra (essentially for clout and influence among the cult) would be interesting directions to take it

[humble sierra]

Lotus: "Who whispered dreams of dominion into Pazuul's ear? Who keeps Erra suppressed and tormented with delusions? The stench of Nira's venom is upon this, Tenno."

One of Lotus' lines about Nira

[nova talon]

So the protoframes aren’t the people the warframe are made from? They’re just dudes that Albert made into frame for us to be able to fight?

Albert

[strange plinth]

yeah
albrecht took existing batches of helminth back in time to 1999 and made the protoframes with them
their exact purpose is unknown, whether it was ensuring that we had warframes to use, ||or if it was always to teach us about wally's weakness.|| vague hex finale spoiler, dunno if you've done it so

[nova talon]

Yeah I’ve done it, it was one text with a hex member that confused me about it thanks

[humble sierra]

It's probably something to do witht the Vessels. It was confirmed they were made with a bit of the DNA from the Protoframes, and implied that the whole Kalymos sequence was us getting to know the Hex so that we could pilot the Vessels better.

[misty salmon]

Albrecht dragging spare bits of DNA all over the dang place, remind me not to let him near any crime scenes.

[pallid rapids]

is it like some weird plotholes in warframe considering chimera prolugue quests one time mr balls gives us the paracesis , he is chained and later on he becomse the chef of the sentients

how did that happen? + the fact the sentienst quite disliked the orokins why would they let that guy become kanggg

[restive river]

Not a plothole, just Ballas lying and manipulating and Erra being a moron

[pallid rapids]

oki

[restive river]

In one of the preludes cutscenes you can see Erra drop the leash

Also their lie starts to fall apart a lil

[pallid rapids]

played it quite long time ago but was thinking about it

[restive river]

They had to lie and manipulate Natah so she could revitalize Praghasa enough

Then new war happens

[light silo]

I literally just finished New War for the first time and I did not expect there to be such a rich single player experience in this game. 👏

[humble sierra]

Yeah, for a F2P looter shooter MMORPG, they have a great focus on the actual story which is probably my favorite thing about the game and DE as a whole.

[light silo]

Yeah it shows that they care about their game and IP. That must be millions spent on developing something they're not even monetizing directly

There's been so many times I've gone "wait what the hell??" while going through the quests. Duviri caught me off guard the most

[pallid rapids]

well de is the best dev team out there like they not money hungry as supercell, not lazy as mojang, not community ignoring like rockstar

[proper crow]

You can mostly blame Microsoft on the case of Mojang tbh

Look at their April fools snapshots as proof

Wacky and crazy stuff, but Microsoft likely doesn't want Mojang changing MC too much in case it loses players, or offends ppl

[light silo]

Meanwhile in Warframe every other mission turns into almost an entirely different game haha

[proper crow]

Pretty much

Especially with '99 essentially being dark sector v2: electric boogaloo

[feral cape]

God microsoft is genuinely the worst

They reworded and added new clauses to the terms and services of there app store to prevent people from being able to download mods and skin packs on xbox

[lost lion]

Erra is cannonically very dumb. He’s like Starscream but dumber

[lost lion]

Late to this but I love DE, its so funny cause the other game a Play a lot of is Dead By Daylight and their dev team is basically the polar opposite of DE lol

[strange plinth]

"lmao we're taking away the one chance you guys had to tell us an idea was bad, have fun in the ptb !!!"

[lost lion]

I came back to Warframe like a month or two before 1999 was released (btw the fact I was able to just pick back up where i left off with all my stuff from years ago was amazing) and basically speedran the game to get up to where I needed to be for 1999 to drop, having a blast the whole way through. The fact that when 1999 dropped and the Atomicycle bug happened, but it was so fun and unoffensive that DE said "ya know what? Its part of the game now." is the moment I knew these were some of the best devs in the world.

[restive river]

He’s so dumb his frame suffered for years

[lost lion]

Lotus got all the brains in the family

[misty salmon]

it is a big hat

[normal mountain]

DE is like that
If it's silly enough (and doesn't break too much stuff), they just leave it
Corrupted Vor monologue from beyond the grave
Zenistar with the Dominion Heavy Blade skin getting supersized
And now the Atomicycles

One of my favorite things about them, too

[restive river]

Don’t forget bullet jumping

[normal mountain]

Oh right!

A bit before my time, but yes
They completely reworked the movement system because players wanted to maneuver faster

One of the things that actually drew me to the game, ngl
Bullet jumping and stuff like I'd expect from ninjas

[lost lion]

I don’t even remember what had me try the game in the first place. But at the time I thought it was mainly a stealth game and played Banshee

I fell off last time around a month after Fortuna dropped, then came back before 1999 like I said

[proper barn]

Hey the rework and then the new augment is great.

[restive river]

Yes
It is
But prior to that bro was kavat scat

[proper barn]

Yee.

[restive river]

That’s why I said he suffered for years

Now he’s living the good life
So good he got to be in a tennocon demo for a quest he isn’t even launching with

AND HIS OWN SENTIENT SNIPER

from narmer rags to them old peace riches B)

[stray herald]

Very sus they used this name

[eager dragon]

Vodyanoi (the surname for Viktor) is also a slavic water folk lore thing

They are also both nodes on Sedna

(I think)

[analog glade]

A lot of names on Sedna are water things

[velvet cradle]

Yea.

Lots of things for warframe are based on irl things

I think Uranus has some shakespeare play names like Ophelia, titania and such

[velvet cradle]

Lol. Yea. I think it is the space ninja moniker that warframe has

[analog glade]

I remember being bored one day, and I was looking up some game developers to see what they were up to. Most not up to much but I saw DE was trying Warframe for the first time.

[eager dragon]

I tried the game because of the review done by Josh Strife Hayes

[humble sierra]

Got an Xbox One as a christmas gift but no games, so I browsed the store for a F2P. Obviously the Robot Space Ninjas intrigued me. This was back in 2017, with Plains of Eidolon. Played for a bit, got Rhino, stopped. Tried it again in 2020-ish on my new gaming laptop, got to the point where I get Rhino, stopped again. Then Crossplay happened, so me and a veteran buddy picked it up again in early 2024 (just before Dante Unbound), and I was hooked

I wonder what theories the community had for the ending to War Within before we learned more about the Man in the Wall.

[proper barn]

don't use the AI overview bro

[tall echo]

And caliban, oberon

[astral sparrow]

So what's the lore implications of this duologue with varzia "Time was I'd have had a thief like Maroo up on multiple charges. Won't be slapping cuffs on her now. Unless she wants me to, of course."

[tall echo]

Varzia is dying of bi thirst

[violet storm]

She has Maroo and Teshin. Yeah

So yeah

[rose estuary]

Who is varzia exactly? I keep thinking she was a dax or at least definitely orokin but idk

[lean garden]

dax

[rose estuary]

Ok

[vague elbow]

So...is Wally the source of the Tenno powers?

[lean garden]

in essence yes

[velvet cradle]

Basically yes

A deal with the devil sort of situation

[livid tapir]

The tldr is "i give you powers and save everyone, buuuuuuuut I want something in return"

[chrome frost]

yes, and we offered him something in return, that something still being unknown to us

judging by Rusalka's voice line about us being "deal breakers" as well as the fact that we are trying to keep wally out i think that as our part of the deal we were supposed to let em into the origin system although im yet to find anything to prove this theory

[restive river]

I mean we also just
Broke the deal when he added the page to it and we refused to give it to him

What was actually offered in that scene is our light, not letting him into the origin system
We don’t know what he meant by light ofc, could be our consciousness, our oro (if real), heck it could be all the stars in the universe

[eager dragon]

We do know, technically. We just don't know how to interpret it.

What we offered, in the deal, was to give our "Light". What that "Light" entails is unknown.

[restive river]

It could’ve literally been our globelight
although we end up finding it so idk bout that one

[proper barn]

I mean maroo and Varzia are a fun couple.

[jagged forum]

i've been thinking, does the warframe intro trailer when they're showing the starter frames take place on tau given how the grineer look?

[pale cedar]

No, it is after Night of the Naga Drums happened which is way after Tau

[jagged forum]

ah okok

[tall echo]

Those are just orokin era grineer

[proper barn]

That's just how grinner soilders during Orokin Empire looked.

[untold acorn]

The new war lore in confusing

Was the tenish that died was from a different universe

But is the same

Parallel

[proper barn]

No.

[untold acorn]

Then?

[proper barn]

No the teshin that "died" in the new war falls to duviri. @untold acorn

[untold acorn]

Oo

Got it

[proper barn]

Like the hand we get in duviri is lotuses hand. We regrow her from that in the quest. @untold acorn

[untold acorn]

I played duviri first not new war becuz I unlocked that first

[proper barn]

Okay so the duviri quest takes place literally during the like "fade to black"

Also it's called a paradox cuz its purposefully confusing.

[untold acorn]

Fr it's confusing

[proper barn]

@untold acorn this is a Emote for a Reason.

[untold acorn]

Makes sense

Thanks

[analog glade]

This might be out of left field; was rewatching a streamer do Veil breaker. Talking about Pazuul, called it a dead worm. Any thoughts that it might be the dead grineer queen?

[glacial bough]

No, Worm is just what people call Sentients

[strange plinth]

• worm queen is the still-living one
  the other was just "elder queen" tmk
  n yeah the sentients are referred to as "worms/worm ships" as far back as Hidden Messages

[vast veldt]

https://youtu.be/tevrIe3jbNc

[lean garden]

cool... what this for?

[high bay]

Are there any Warframe’s that could go band for band against a primarch? Let’s bring out the big dakkas and go for someone like Great Crusade era Horus

[lean garden]

probably not if its a primarch

[lost lion]

But you forget: “My Warframe is strong!”

[lean garden]

"The Grineer used to be builders, but now all they do is destroy"

[lost lion]

"They have plenty of robotics, corpus never fight for themselves"

-The immortal child that is remote-contolling a technocyte golem.

[lost lion]

Since warframe does such a good job of integrating the players into the world, does anyone else ever get a little bit of Tetris effect (google it if u dont know what it is) in their day to day life?

[proper barn]

This is hard.

[feral cape]

Gang someone like horus might actually just kill the tenno instead of the frame

AFAIK horus has the power to fight on physical spiritual and mental fronts simultaneously

Which means he can just like go after the tenno instead of the frame

What

How did he do that

[strange plinth]

its presented so casually too
like 'oh yeah, he did that too, whatever'

[glacial bough]

Most frames can absolutely rock most primarchs. Hours is another matter altogether

[strange turtle]

Idk when specifically it happens but by The End and The Death he’s getting super juiced up by the gang of four the chaos gods and doing a bunch of bs that’d make a powerscaler drool along with the Emperor

[eager dragon]

Meh, sometimes. Rarer than something like Satisfactory though.

[frank panther]

It's confirmed, Saryn (Minerva) its from Romania :)))

[lean garden]

Not exactly, its stated that she knows many languages, hell, its right there in the next chat option when you eventually click on it

[humble sierra]

And Romania probably doesn't exist either

[sly ibex]

I hate how ||they go from this seeming concern to.oh so proud of their little girl making a deal with The Man in the Wall. Absolutely garbage people, and I wish I could get rid of them after that conversation.|| It just grinds my gears. >_<

[north jolt]

I would have to wonder how that even came about

But ngl this got my almonds activating

[quiet ruin]

You know, I was just thinking what a missed opportunity it was to not have a clippy inspired cephalon on the 1999 desktop pcs

[halcyon acorn]

How would one activate their activate their almonds, and where can I find it?

[tall echo]

Cephalons weren't a thing in 1999
They made drippy

[lean garden]

Drippy watches you

[quiet ruin]

Obviously they were not, but albrecht brought a lot of future tech back for personal use

[tall echo]

Two of those are voiced by the same person

[analog glade]

mostly me not paying attention to the floating heads during missions.

[quiet ruin]

Drippy desktop buddy would be cute.

[tall echo]

Doubt a 1999 pc could handle cephalons

Albrecht didn't modify most of the old tech he used

[quiet ruin]

You have no whimsy in your life.

I meant more like. A sort of "proto-cephalon" some sort of intelligent software

But that would be too kind and too risky for albrecht to leave anything that offers more clarity than cryptic messages

[tall echo]

I have whimsy but I highly value logic

[quiet ruin]

My until statement was not meant to be interpreted as purely literal, i am well aware cephalons are not in 1999 nor are they something that could be put in a dated computer as is.

I was just making a comparison for the role it would play and future equivalent.

[bright temple]

It would be cute, tbh

Like we already got the legally distinct Digimon, give us something like that for the PC

[digital grail]

We could put a cephalon into like 500 plus computers thatd work maybe

[restive river]

I think they need more than 500 1999 era computers

Also there is the issue of them possibly becoming infested if we do somehow get a Cephalon to 1999
It’s been a bit since Jordas but he proves it is possible, somehow

[quiet ruin]

Severely downgraded cephalon.

Thats just a person in a room talking unto a microphone

[digital grail]

What about 5000

[bright temple]

5000 could be enough

[restive river]

That’s not even a cephalon that’s just a person 😭

[digital grail]

Im just gonna add more 0s till theres enough

[quiet ruin]

What is a cephalon except a person free of their mortal coil

[restive river]

We don’t know how much power and data is needed for a cephalon, so yes sure with enough computers you maybe could

[restive river]

A digitized mind that can be freely edited with precepts
Digital mind slaves

It’s all sunshine and rainbows til you realize it’s against their will and is honestly a horrible fate

[quiet ruin]

I know what cephalons are i was just making a joke about downgrading. There's not that much you can do to bring them down to 1999 levels

[restive river]

I think Albrecht largely doesn’t need cephalons anyway, he only has necraloid so that he can look after the family and come get us once conditions are met

[quiet ruin]

Besides maybe directly hooking up a person to a computer where their body doesnt serve any function beside nourishment and the mind roams the internet and can be freely edited

True the entrati kind of prefer rhe necraloid and "old school" tech

[restive river]

Something that, to me is far more interesting is whatever is in charge of the lore pc

Cause we still don’t know what that is

[quiet ruin]

Oh, thats just Jerry.

[digital grail]

Its Hayden tenno

[restive river]

I’ll send you to the deep void

I think another issue with cephalons and Albrecht is they seemingly do not perceive the void like bios do, see Cy about the finger

[digital grail]

Theres a basically 0 chance we could get a proto² excalibur that's hayden

[restive river]

Also possibly the Lotus’ line about seeing “nothing” during TNW but ofc she saw enough that she came to help against Wally

[quiet ruin]

Proto²

[restive river]

No
There’s a zero percent chance cause dark sector isn’t canon

They’ve stated it’s not canon and it’s literally a fictional piece of media in 1999 :p

A movie and a book

[quiet ruin]

OK so what's stopping them from having a cosplayer in 1999 (joking)

[digital grail]

What frame would fit a cosplayer

[restive river]

Actually that would be pretty funny
Sometime in the 2000’s beyond the timeloop of 99, Arthur and co make it to the NYC equivalent cause. Idk techrot ig
But oop it’s the comic con equivalent and Arthur keeps getting mistaken for this. Hayden guy??

[restive river]

Yareli or Octavia

Or maybe Mirage

Rhino but only as doomguy?

[quiet ruin]

Thats honestly be so funny.

The team struggling to be taken seriously when theyre mistaken for comicon goers 😭

Not really something I could see in the game, but like a side story? Fan work? Hell yeah

[bright temple]

omg

[woven coyote]

Limbo

[slim sequoia]

Something something according to Eternalism ☝️🤓 this is a great & whimsical idea imo … makes me want to draw fanart

[quiet ruin]

"Heh nice Hayden tenno cosplay, but your wig is really bad"

Arthur: 🧍‍♂️

[slim sequoia]

Big agree !

[restive river]

Perfect comic material

[restive river]

Stealin this lol

[hidden fox]

I don’t remember making that

[north jolt]

This actually made me wonder if it's possible for the 1999 techrot to somehow spread through Albrecht's computers into our current time and kidna join with the current infestation. Probably not but the possibility came to my mind at least

Not to mention technically because of timey wimey stuff its kinda already here

[spice wedge]

That all depends about man In the wall, who hunts albrecht's throught the time and somehow he captured him.

And plus what will happen in near future with him and with that guy who operator shaken hands with him.

[north jolt]

Like I said probably not because the techrot/infestation are already connected through time, there wouldn't be much point to it

[spice wedge]

It happened because of the bomb who frozen the time on 1999 quest it says itself of what happened, which drifter had to act to save them all.

But still that man in the wall what his purpose was to do all that hunting.

[quiet ruin]

The drifter states that we don't have the internet in our time

The only computer we seem to have is the one in entrati's lab on deimos. Since the place is already infested its probably non issue even if it could get through.

The most that could happen if it was plausible would be a corruption of data on our end I think.

But also we were still on dial up back then so the system wouldn't have a constant clean connection to the computer in entrati's lab it would only be open when someone intentionally opens it.

[restive river]

That would imply the lore pc has a connection to 1999
What’s more likely, and what we see is the techrotted pc in our orbiter being the techrot’s gateway to the origin system
Ofc it also just. Has time and can hibernate, see the On-Lyne clones

[restive river]

Idk how you’re forgetting the literal techrotted PC in our orbiter

That like
Literally is linked to 1999’s internet

[steel compass]

please someone tell me i didn't just suggest to lizzie consume them...

[restive river]

Likely through the infestation actually

[steel compass]

probably either there cuz drifer brought it or for purely gameplay convenience

[restive river]

It’s still there and while it’s origin isn’t explained (since it actually predates the 1999 update) DE does like to explain gameplay with lore

[quiet ruin]

I kind of assumed that was just an in game thing so we dont have to go to entrati's or the backrooms every time we wanna check in ngl.

The point is still that internet is not used in the current time as stated by the drifter in conversations with nova

The only access we have is what has been given to us by entrati

[steel compass]

i'd honestly bet on helminth tbh, either that or drifter got a pc and it had techrot

[restive river]

Oh yeah 100%
Which I wouldn’t even say the access to the internet of 1999 is due to Entrati, that PC’s origin is unknown

[quiet ruin]

I think its easier and fun er just to blame everything I don't have an answer to on Albrecht because its usually his fault anyways

[restive river]

I’m unsure of when it appears for new players but it predates the actual update
But it could easily just be the Helminth installed it yeah, all of the infestation is connected and with how it views time? Makes sense

[steel compass]

ONORE DIKEIDO

[restive river]

I mean that is kinda what the devs do, but I don’t think this instance fits that entirely

[steel compass]

i mean, if helminth in the past has a techrot version, why not link both?

[restive river]

I mean that helminth in 1999 is just a helminth from the old war era brought to 1999

[quiet ruin]

Anyone else think helminth is kinda cute 🥹

[restive river]

We do also establish a link and an internet connection during the arg iirc

[restive river]

Yes
I love my funny mouth horror :D

In Whispers our transference is redirected to Arthur in 99
In Lotus Eaters we establish the link via the call from the pager
In the Hex we utilize the infestation to time travel due to how it perceives and interacts with time

Helminth spitting out a techrotted PC when the time is right fits perfectly and due to it just being techrotted and thus having a weird perception of time that is easily how we can have an internet connection to 1999 from the Origin System

[quiet ruin]

Do you think it would cause issue if helminth got in contact with the techrot? Like a forced increase in evolution rate since its more sophisticated?

Or is the strain different enough that it wouldn't have that effect....

Big thoughts

[restive river]

I think it largely doesn’t matter, the infestation is all linked anyway and with how it perceives time it’s only limits are physical

Plus with the large span of time it kinda just. Wouldn’t matter
Eventually the Helminth in 99 gets nuked one way or another, same as the Hex

[violet storm]

Not exactly

[quiet ruin]

Serious lore aside its SO funny to me that someone just yoinked Arthur's pager.
The Easter egg messages that used to appear on it where hes trying to figure out who took it and all cracks me up so good.

[restive river]

I really wish those messages were put on a loop! Now all his pager gets is 🤢 advertising

[quiet ruin]

Dude would lose Excalibur if it wasn't fused to his body

[restive river]

LOL

he does lose a lotta stuff, doesn’t he?

His keys
His pager
His life

[pale cedar]

His girlfriend

[restive river]

His other partner if someone’s Drifter breaks up with him

[quiet ruin]

no fr...also if you romance him he references it and says hell send you a message. So like...no reason I shouldnt have a pager message from him beside that ugly ad

[humble sierra]

We have Drippy, but he's not annoying or persistent enough.

[humble sierra]

Nope, you made the right choice

[humble sierra]

His identity, bro gets confused with Jetstream Sam and Hayden Tenno

[tall echo]

Only difference from sam is the voice and hair tbh

[lilac aspen]

“Hey Drift-“
“JETSTREAM SAM!”
“NOT my name.”

[humble sierra]

Margulis jumpscare

[spice wedge]

Bruh why

[plush walrus]

Anyone know what would have happened if we didn't do the chains of Harrow and free the man in the wall........

[proper barn]

he might have gotten out but Rell was holding down wally for over 1000 years

do you not want our autistic boy to rest?

[strange plinth]

rell was pretty much losing the fight anyway when we got there, iirc
i don't think much would've changed? we just wouldn't know what was happening i think
but i could be very wrong, others correct me lol

[plush walrus]

Duviri invasion would sti happen same with 1999 right? Since duviri is made.from the void and Wally chased Albrecht to 1999

[strange plinth]

wally lost 1999 through our shenanigans, which caused him to invade duviri

[spice wedge]

Yep even daughter was owned by him.

I wonder where he has run away now.

[plush walrus]

Wally has been playing other games while waiting on the update lol

[wise knot]

Wait. In the New War when Ballas stabbed the Operator and sent them into the void where did they go? They were gone for quite a while was is just in the Zariman where they would meet the Drifter? Or did they get sent back to the older Zariman where they would live in the Drifter timeline and become the Drifter?

[eager dragon]

Basically a loop of their memories, if I'm understanding right

Got trapped in the Void

Before being saved by the Drifter

The Drifter was a different timeline, essentially

Has nothing to do with being sent into the Void by Ballas, mostly.

Only important part is the Lotus' hand and Teshin, if I'm remembering right

Thus, also a Paradox, as during the quest the Tenno are helping the Drifter - but at that point they should be trapped within the Void until the Drifter helps them.

Non-linearity of the Void in full swing lol.

[lean garden]

Or did they get sent back to the older Zariman where they would live in the Drifter timeline and become the Drifter?
Definitely not this. The Operator was trapped in a timeloop of their own history, reliving the events of the Zariman Incident until Drifter intervened

[tall echo]

What are you talking about man

[spice wedge]

Did you watched the hex 1999 and that guy with a hat

Albrecht entrati Interrogation 1999

[lean garden]

rusalka?

[spice wedge]

Yep

[strange turtle]

Oh you mean like

Because she’s VelMins daughter

[humble sierra]

Ohhhhh

Yeah there's another character in the game literally called "Daughter" which is where the confusion came from, I think

[pale cedar]

If you rank up the name starts to save people from confusion tbh

Cuz 2 different names

[eager dragon]

Yeah but like, you think I remember the names?

I think Daughter is like Kaeli or something

[pale cedar]

Yes

[eager dragon]

'Cause Kahl missions have her

And that's all I remember 🤷‍♂️

[digital grail]

I thought her name was blue girl

[quiet ruin]

Blue girl

[misty salmon]

-# da ba dee, da ba di

[brazen seal]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-color-gif-26141033

[hushed talon]

Can we all agree that Ballas was just the equivalent of a para-social man child during the new war?

[strange turtle]

Oh a lot more than just during TNW

[hushed talon]

Tbf he was probably like this during the old days of the orokin empire too

[silk atlas]

Remember that he had a hand in killing his own wife (This was also politically motivated so you can't fault him too too hard)

[hushed talon]

Ah yes, im gonna end my wife cuz I want more social status, thats totally not as bat shit crazy as everyone makes it out to be.

[silk atlas]

Exactly, you understand!

[hushed talon]

Like, come on, just because you were getting frustrated that your Wife was spending too much time to now PARENTLESS, void-riddened children isn't much to stress over.

[strange turtle]

Reminder that he’s so insufferable and delulu even the rest of the insufferable delulu aristocracy didn’t like him

My vision was only ever comprehensible to myself. My ambition beyond the grasp of… 'people'. Thus I have always been alone. Your death changes nothing."

[trim kettle]

what is this place? in the sanctum anatomica

and all of this

[strange plinth]

part of the man in the wall's part of the void
its invading the labs

[restive river]

It is him
He is invading

[trim kettle]

interesting connection, dante is reconstructed missing 2 fingers of his hand (reconstructed by us after he fell into the void, lured by some void-entity/wally?)
wally also is missing multiple fingers (not just the 1)

[restive river]

He did encounter Wally but I’m not too sure we reconstructed his fingers nor is it stated he lost them

Pretty sure those also relate to his theming of bookframe

[strange plinth]

dante's fingers form a quill to write, i thought

[restive river]

Like
Easier to turn pages
Alternatively together they kinda look like a pen and we know he wrote

[strange plinth]

well, not quill, a fancy pen

[restive river]

From what I recall we don’t know his full fate, but nothing states he lost his fingers

Bro was just too curious

[trim kettle]

dear god

this means that dante is left handed or books are right to left

[restive river]

Maybe both?

Actually idr which way the pages turn in the anim

[trim kettle]

just looking at his idle animation now, yeah, he flips it right to left

ithink

[restive river]

Now that’s a cool detail :D

[trim kettle]

wait

looking at it right now i think its just unintelligible flapping back and forth

[restive river]

Ah

Finding its place ig

[trim kettle]

the pages flip up on both sides

[restive river]

It does seem to mostly just flip
The default grimoire anim does have it going from right to left though
But only once

[quiet ruin]

His ass is NOT reading

[tall echo]

He's flipping through the pages looking for sectumsempra or however it's spelled

[humble sierra]

Referring to Dark Verse as that now, thanks

[proper barn]

They for writing in the book.

[feral cape]

The future is manga

[robust arch]

mfsow

[lean garden]

the protoframes are not the progenitors of the warframes

they, in the grand chain of cause and effect, come after the warframes

well save for one, but theyre an extremely special situation

[strange plinth]

albrecht needed samples to exist to take the batches back in time
and, through a grand amount of avoiding bootstraps, the protos do not impact the creation of the warframes in any way

[lean garden]

@subtle yew I sense Great confusion in you

[subtle yew]

reading the wiki

ngl just seems not fleshed out

like wheres the orokin

[lean garden]

not in 1999

[subtle yew]

its a race

[lean garden]

the orokin are humans lmao

[subtle yew]

idt u can just pop into existence

[strange plinth]

we don't know their exact origin, as they purged a lot of that data on purpose

[lean garden]

why do you think the Orokin take human bodies for continuity

[restive river]

The Orokin are arguably more of a class

[lean garden]

its because they're human

[restive river]

Like
They’re just the elites, not a unique race of humans

The Grineer Queens are Orokin and they use literal mass clone slave bodies

[subtle yew]

im pretty sure were orokin

[restive river]

Ballas wanted to be a servant girl if memory serves correct

[bright temple]

Big into genetic modification and junk, but ultimately just super advanced humans

[restive river]

The Tenno are not Orokin.

Nobody on the Zariman was Orokin

[strange plinth]

we lived during their reign, but are not of orokin caste

[restive river]

They’re just the powerful elite, a class of people

[lean garden]

not be her, just snaggerdoodle her body

[restive river]

Well yeah, my point is the Orokin aren’t a race cause they can swap into any body

[subtle yew]

bro does not look human

[restive river]

Bro is literally human

The Orokin modified themselves heavily for aesthetic reasons

[subtle yew]

doesnt even have pupils

[strange plinth]

extensive bio-modding

[restive river]

And yet he is still human!

[bright temple]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

[strange plinth]

karishh had seven? or nine stomachs, don't remember

[restive river]

Everything in Warframe is or was made by humans

[subtle yew]

rokin are indeed humans. The Tenno themselves are orokin changed by the Void.

[dire mountain]

Freaky human but human

[subtle yew]

ok so were both human

[restive river]

The Tenno aren’t Orokin

[robust arch]

man in the wall reference

[subtle yew]

bro blame google

[dire mountain]

The tenno are part of the Orokin Empire but are not Orokin

Important distinction

[subtle yew]

how does that make sense

[robust arch]

okay so are the proto frames dif timeline or ours

[dire escarp]

We probably don't have all the pieces yet anyway, we still have tau coming in the future.

[subtle yew]

if orokin are just humans

[bright temple]

Same timeline, timeloop in the past

[strange plinth]

ours, just the past

[restive river]

Orokin is a CLASS not a RACE

[robust arch]

and why are they so tall

[subtle yew]

tenno arent aliens

[restive river]

They’re the RULING CLASS
or were

[restive river]

There are no aliens in Warframe

[robust arch]

so this happened in our timeline

[dire mountain]

Okay so imagine you're living under some ruler right? You're part of the empire but not that social class

[subtle yew]

ye were just both humans

[restive river]

Well Warframe’s version of 1999, but yes

[robust arch]

arent warframes just lost souls of the one person who got transformed into them?

[bright temple]

It’s the warframe timeline. Their Earth history is substantially different.

[subtle yew]

what are we even doing in 1999

[strange plinth]

not exactly?
pieces of the original personality get left behind in the template, but that's it

[subtle yew]

isnt like a butterfly effect happening

[restive river]

We were looking for Albrechr

[robust arch]

if thats the case how are proto frames our timeline if the warframes in ours were never half human

[restive river]

No

[subtle yew]

but like we murdered like 1000s of people

[restive river]

All Warframes are human…

[restive river]

No we didn’t what?

[robust arch]

they were mever half human half frame like the protos they were just killed and transformed into a full frame

[subtle yew]

bro bounties?

[dire escarp]

They were previously human but turned into war machines by the orokin for disobeying

[robust arch]

the only sentient frame is umbra and like xaku or something right?

[dire mountain]

Time loop reset nuh uh theyre all alive again

[restive river]

Also the Warframe timeline is so vast that small changes largely don’t matter

[strange plinth]

the protos are mid-transformation
albrecht likely slowed the process to let them keep their sanity long enough to be useful, and the timeloop keeps them there

[restive river]

No…
All generation 1 frames, which existed prior to the Tenno, were sapient

[restive river]

Yes they were.

Warframes are literally infested humans, the Protos are just not fully transformed

[robust arch]

so they are the people that were originally the frames before being killed

damn man

[restive river]

We have many examples of sapient frames but none like the protos cause they’re all fully transformed

[robust arch]

and i thought destiny lore was confusing

[restive river]

They didn’t die, we aren’t piloting corpses.

[strange plinth]

again, albrecht took existing batches back to make the protos, the protos are not "originals"

[robust arch]

well umbra is fully sentient he even roams the ship while we‘re gone

[dire mountain]

Also the protos are unrelated to the main warframes*

Arthur is Excalibur but hes not the Excalibur

[restive river]

Yes
Umbra is one example of sentient warframes
Stalker, Jade, Kullervo, Dante
All sapient

[dire mountain]

• flare is the exception not the rule

[robust arch]

whats kullervos lore again

[restive river]

Had a crush on ballas and got banished, the void made him a lil island

[robust arch]

oh

[dire mountain]

He killed his mother figure and had a bunch of bogus crimes he was charged with so he tried to kill Ballas and himself but fell into Duviri

[restive river]

It’s deeper than that but that’s the gist

[feral cape]

Flair also still isn't really the original the strain itself still predates them causally speaking

[strange plinth]

yeah

[robust arch]

i find it cool umbra walks around our ship while we‘re gone

[restive river]

Also they seemed to have altered it beyond what Albrecht did and what Ballas originally designed

[robust arch]

so is wukong sentient too bc he makes a celestial twin and it walks while we arent using the frame

[strange plinth]

-# if only he'd walk around our ship while we are there

[restive river]

Wukong is not sapient, not
I’m actually not sure if we have any solid lore on him

[robust arch]

oh so hes just ass and thatd it

[strange plinth]

part of the ability, so prolly not

[feral cape]

War

[restive river]

Pretty much none of the frames we use are sapient, aside from Umbra
But Sapient frames do exist

[robust arch]

hes so ass they dont even have lore on him 😭

[strange plinth]

wukong's prolly got some flavor text somewhere
more than garuda

[misty salmon]

-# I've already got Wally jumpscaring me, I don't need Umbra lurking in dark corners too.

[restive river]

If Wukong was a gen 1 frame then yes, he was sapient for a time before the insurrections

[robust arch]

sapient means they can think and aknowledge but cant move right

[restive river]

They can move too

[strange plinth]

sapient means they're still fully in control w/o a tenno pilot

[restive river]

Gen 1 frames didn’t have pilots

[robust arch]

sentient means they are literally a person right

[restive river]

Then the frames started to go mad so the Orokin shelved them
Then it was discovered the Tenno could control them, that’s gen 2 frames

[robust arch]

like umbra is literally a full person while these frames are just mindless robots only doing what they are tasked to do

[restive river]

The gen 1 frames would have been like Umbra

[robust arch]

okay so theres no good guys in this story right like we‘re all bad to a degree

[restive river]

Iirc Gara was tennoless and was the Unum’s partner

[restive river]

The Tenno are the “goodest”
But we still kill, mostly cause we must

[strange plinth]

the tenno are.. the best out of the big groups
but we did still commit genocide

[restive river]

It’s more so like
Abusers and victims ig, not just good and evil

[robust arch]

we did it bc it was apart of the man in the walls deal right

[restive river]

Well
Attempted, we missed a handful…

[restive river]

No, no idea where you got that from

We don’t know what we owe him, just that we still do owe him

[robust arch]

well arent we literally just following the deal we made with him the whole story isnt that apart of the deal qhen he gave us powers

[restive river]

No, we don’t know what we owe him

[robust arch]

well he didnt start complaining about the deal being broken until recently

[dire mountain]

We forgot, I think

[robust arch]

so im just using it as head canon that what weve done so far has been apart of the deal

[restive river]

Yeah
When he added the grimoire page to it and we denied it.

[strange plinth]

when he added the page to the deal in whispers, and we didn't give it

[feral cape]

I realize war is a word and not the sound i wanted to make

[robust arch]

i see i see

[dire mountain]

We hadn't had a chance to break it or come close until recently tbf

[feral cape]

Imagine if you will the silly cats like the guh cats but it says war like you'd say wario

[proper barn]

Umbra wasn't gen 1

[dire mountain]

Wah

[restive river]

What we offered Wally was our light
He says he’ll take it but it’s unknown what he actually meant
We have no real idea what we owe him
In return we got a piece of him and that’s where our powers come from

[proper barn]

Oh it's you Ducky

[feral cape]

No war like the lord wario

[proper barn]

You had a different pfp for a second.

[restive river]

sapient like umbra

[proper barn]

Yee I'm owned

[restive river]

[feral cape]

In essence ducky I want you to elaborate

[proper barn]

I'm turning into a corn cob

[robust arch]

oh my God this character ai thing is actually so creepy

[restive river]

Oh sorry
Flare bled on their guitar which seemed to have altered the strain’s design beyond whatever Albrecht did for the protos and how Ballas designed it

[robust arch]

off topic but i didnt know the ai sends you emails if you dont text them for a while and it references past conversations you had with it

who green lit that idea 😭

we got irl corpus in 2025

[restive river]

Tbf we don’t know the original design Ballas made for Temple, if they were even called Temple or if they had a guitar
Just
They were so rebellious in design he was too much of a wimp to actually make them lol

[robust arch]

so ballss made every frame

[restive river]

Almost every frame

[robust arch]

can we ask ballas to rework loki bc hes kind of trash

[restive river]

Albrecht made Qorvex
Parvos designed Protea

[robust arch]

and xaku made himself

[restive river]

Well uh… he’s dead so…

[restive river]

*them
And kinda

[robust arch]

and limbo made himself too?

[dire mountain]

No

[strange plinth]

albrecht supposedly mentioned it help with flare's performance, so the original temple might've had the music theme n guitar
its possible that the extent of Flare's influence is the names of Temple and Lizzie

[robust arch]

well isnt xaku an it actually bc it wasnt ever human

[restive river]

Xaku’s original halves were likely made by Ballas
Their exact origin other than lost frames coming together in the void is unknown

[dire mountain]

Xaku was 3 people

Therefore, them

[restive river]

No…
They were and are human
And they are a they and always have been

[proper barn]

Xaku is they as said by DE and their description.

Just like Flare is also they.

[robust arch]

i thought xaku eas in it like it was some random thing just collected 3 frames

[proper barn]

Lizzie (the guitar) is she though.

[robust arch]

was

lizzie was a human before?

[proper barn]

Nah. Xaku they cuz many.

[restive river]

Iirc Flare comments on how it was named Temple, which Albrecht may have done
As for Lizzie’s name and personality, probably yeah

[proper barn]

No. Lizzie is a guitar.

[robust arch]

oh

[strange plinth]

nah, just a talking guitar

[robust arch]

i knew that i just thought ballas got like a cat or something and made it a guitar

[proper barn]

Well infested Talking guitar.

[restive river]

Lizzie was Flare’s guitar but they bled on it with their infected blood

[proper barn]

That is weridly sensual.

[restive river]

She is basically just a part of Flare

[robust arch]

i see i see

[proper barn]

She wants you to maybe play her sometimes

[strange plinth]

well, so is she, so

[robust arch]

is there any lore on where stalkers baby went

[restive river]

I think he made Venari whom is an immortal cat

[lean garden]

waur

[misty salmon]

-# to tennocon

[dire mountain]

With him

[proper barn]

With stalker.

[robust arch]

yeah but

[restive river]

Nothing yet

[robust arch]

so hes jusz like a single father

[dire mountain]

Yeah

[restive river]

Ye

[proper barn]

We see Stalker with the child right now of you want.

[strange plinth]

not atm, stalker's just hanging out with them

[dire mountain]

Hes probably got a babysitter somewhere when he appears to get his ass kicked but yk

[robust arch]

that’s funny does he call a baby sitter for when he wants to attack us

[proper barn]

In the Drifter camp

[robust arch]

wait where

[proper barn]

If you buy a jade item from ordis

He's in the distance.

[robust arch]

we can see stalker and his baby?

[proper barn]

Yes. In the distance after you buy a jade item from Ordis in the Drifter camp.

[restive river]

Stalker’s just a dad who’s doing his best for his kid :)

[robust arch]

is the baby also a warframe or is it a human baby

[restive river]

He’s also def still mad that we killed the Orokin but y’know

[misty salmon]

Stalker calling up the acolytes... "yeah, I need to go get my ass kicked again, can you watch the kid?"

[proper barn]

You see the child. Warframe.

[dire mountain]

Warfrake

[restive river]

Unknown exactly but likely a Warframe

[robust arch]

„yeah can you watch him from like 3-6 i gotta run some errands“

[dire mountain]

Its mentioned in the quest afaik

[restive river]

Jade was pregnant before she was Helminthed so

[dire mountain]

Baby warframe

[restive river]

It calls him something new iirc

[misty salmon]

The baby ending up being Jade Prime with a ghostly Jade around it would be, something.

[robust arch]

jade and stalker are sentient too right

[restive river]

Yes

[robust arch]

no way so ballas warframed her while she was pregnant

[dire mountain]

Yes

[robust arch]

zayummm

[dire mountain]

That is the entire point of the quest??

[strange plinth]

as punishment for her and stalker's relationship yeah

[robust arch]

ngl i be speeding through em man

[restive river]

Bro’s just mad he jade lighted his wife so he made stalker’s wife into the jade light

[robust arch]

only quest i paid attention to was everything before the jade thing

[strange plinth]

lmfao

[robust arch]

i sped through the rest so i could farm cyte

damn at least ballas is dead

im surprised the sentient frames didnt gang up and plan an attack

[lean garden]

well...

[dire mountain]

What do you think the warframe insurrections were

[robust arch]

like way earlier

[proper barn]

@robust arch

[lean garden]

welcome to the Warframe Insurrections

[robust arch]

thank you bc i was not finna buy that thing

[restive river]

They “went mad”

[proper barn]

They all died (where killed). At least that's what the kullero story says.

[lean garden]

I mean, based on Kullervo's own state, they did go mad, they also correctly turned on the orokin

[restive river]

Dante, running away to read a book about a being that thrives on being known:

[robust arch]

so how did limbo get warframed

[strange plinth]

as for post-collapse, ballas was hidden until he reappeared in apostasy prologue (iirc), stalker's still loyal to the orokin, jade's busy attempting to have a child, and umbra was stuck on lua (and also unable to attack ballas due to the transference bolt)

[robust arch]

was he already a frame pre incident

[restive river]

I’d go mad too if I had to keep listening to those golden freaks

[dire mountain]

🤷‍♂️ not every warframe has a known reason as to why they were turned into one

[restive river]

Do you think Hildryn and her Tenno were sick of Ballas’ blabbering?

[robust arch]

i thought limbo framed himself when he sent himself into a new realm

[restive river]

Limbo miscalculated and died

[proper barn]

We only know how a few frames where before they where a warframe.

And only then primes usually.

[restive river]

Dagath was in a toxic polycule

[dire mountain]

The better question is: who wasn't

[proper barn]

Oh yeah Dagath

[robust arch]

thats kinda funny so dude is just stuck in the limbo realm

[strange plinth]

tbf most don't, iirc
its just like. mirage, yareli, stalker, jade, dagath that i can think of

[restive river]

Nah he died

[dire mountain]

Evil and intimidating couple vs awesome horse

[robust arch]

oh nvm

[restive river]

AWESOME HORSE LETS GOOOOO

[robust arch]

rest in piece man

[dire mountain]

Umbra also

[restive river]

dies, gets creepy smile, gets face blasted, haunt people, take names

[strange plinth]

lmao how do i forget the most obvious one

[dire mountain]

But also outside even those few we don't know a lot about said warframes

[robust arch]

we knew who yareli was pre warframe

[proper barn]

We know Dagath, Gara Prime, Mirage prime, Umbra. Yareli prime Jade (stalker).

And that's about it.

@robust arch did you listen to the dagath story?

[robust arch]

yareli mustve been a diva

[proper barn]

No.

[robust arch]

no what happened

[strange plinth]

oH yeah gara volunteered, huh

[robust arch]

is it messed up?

[dire mountain]

Jade and Stalker are also the only Warframes we know the names of before turning into a Warframe

[restive river]

Yareli was a servant girl iirc
Ballas wanted to be her but she was too rebellious?

[proper barn]

She was part of a thruple that loved her too much.

[lean garden]

but she sure had diva behaviour the way she be smoovin

[proper barn]

Not a servant girl a yuvan

[robust arch]

oh nvm wth

[dire mountain]

Ballas gender envy (real)

[restive river]

Ah right

[proper barn]

A yuvan Ballas Was gonna be.

Cus gender isn't real in warframe.

[strange plinth]

might've also been the blue kuva girl? if that little "skates away" comment during the narrative panel is to be followed

[robust arch]

so she was apsrt of a thruple

between who exactly?

[proper barn]

Dagath was

[glacial bough]

Dagath was a sugar baby to be exact

[proper barn]

A orokin married couple and her. She was a dax.

[strange plinth]

we don't know the other two in the relationship

[restive river]

Quite possibly
Though I’ll still be somewhat unsure til we know bluva is like. Actually real-

[proper barn]

Oh I hate that term.

[dire mountain]

Dagath was a Dax in a relationship with an Orokin couple

[proper barn]

A Orokin couple.

[robust arch]

i gozta look this up this seems kinda sad ngl

[restive river]

Sugar pony?

[proper barn]

If you have a clan

[dire mountain]

The allure was because it was forbidden

[strange plinth]

yeah, that's the extent of our knowledge on them, afaik, just that they were orokin

[proper barn]

It's in her room. @robust arch

[dire mountain]

Until she turned into a warframe. That one is allowed

[robust arch]

nah i dont have a clan

[proper barn]

G-Ma tells the story.

[robust arch]

ew i really hope they dont get too deep in dark lore in the game

but the entire game is kinda f‘d up anyways

[strange plinth]

we kinda have child soldiers n whatnot

[glacial bough]

Brother, it's too far gone for that kind of sentiment

[dire mountain]

The game does not really put into perspective how messed up the universe actually is tbh

[robust arch]

you have people who were slaves and transformed into monsters then you have limbo accidently doing a magic trick gone wrong

[proper barn]

Dutt we saw a man get turned into a monster and made to kill his own son. THEN HE'S TRAPPED IN THE MOON UNTIL WE GET HIM OUT.

[robust arch]

who has the silliest lore

[dire mountain]

Trapped on the moon, in the void, until we yank it out

[proper barn]

Umbra doesn't get out the moon

[robust arch]

its okay bc he roams the ship now

[proper barn]

Until after second dream

[mystic lynx]

Revenant

[robust arch]

limbo gotta have the silliest lore

[proper barn]

Wrong

[dire mountain]

Garuda

[robust arch]

whats garudas

[robust arch]

oh she has none

[proper barn]

Mirage primes is pretty silly cuz she like basically gaslit Ballas into making her a jester.

[misty salmon]

There's a couple of naberus stories that do a pretty good job of it, the one about the kuva, and that just being an idea that somebody would have.

[mystic lynx]

The solaris lady found her bp in the garbage

[strange plinth]

lmao
"we found her in a bush lol, you can have her"
is her entire lore

[robust arch]

so she rage baited ballas

[proper barn]

I hate that word

[robust arch]

so shes canonically supposed to be ass

[proper barn]

Still.

[dire mountain]

Ballas is fairly easy to ragebait though

[proper barn]

I hate this term

[robust arch]

mirage rage baited into a warframe 😭

[proper barn]

Also this was thoughtful manipulation

[strange plinth]

we do it by existing, yeah

[proper barn]

And not petty insults.

[mystic lynx]

Well no
But if you want to take it that way sure

[robust arch]

i still think limbos is the silliest

[proper barn]

Also she was gonna be a warframe anyway Mirage just was like "hey Ballas no don't do that it would be the worst" and then Ballas would do it cus he's stupid.

[robust arch]

why would he do that?? is he stupid?

[proper barn]

Yes.

Did you play the new war?

[strange plinth]

i would've said yareli prior to her prime release
'lmao skater girl that lost both fights we've seen her in'

[glacial bough]

Ballas didn't change the design though, Mirage did that herself

[robust arch]

hes such a master manipulator he got enslaved, transformed, and still found a way to almost win

[proper barn]

Well no cuz he says she manipulated him

[proper barn]

No. He failed up and it was never his fault.

[robust arch]

well wasnt that whole story line natah and her brother being bad then they realized ballas was actually like kinda messed up so they begged us to step in

[proper barn]

No?

Eh

[glacial bough]

He doesn't, not really, but it's not an unfair reading of events

[strange plinth]

natah got thrown into the void lmao
lotus only survived because drifter found her hand in duviri and regenerated her from it

[robust arch]

yeah but i thought they enslaved ballas

[dire mountain]

No that was his trick

[robust arch]

that was apart of his plan

[strange plinth]

nah that was just ballas playing the part so natah would follow the plan

[robust arch]

did we maybe think he just had a weird kink?

no judgement there

[dire mountain]

He is orokin so probably but unrelated

[robust arch]

so he willingly became a slave

a bit messed up but we accept you ballas

[mystic lynx]

We?

[robust arch]

yes WE you and me

[strange turtle]

We, as in US, as in everyone here, do not accept and in fact shame him for it

He involved several unconsenting parties without so much as letting them know afterwards

[humble sierra]

The enslavement was a ruse

[light sable]

The best part of playing this game’s story is not understanding most of what is happening and seeing where it goes

[pale cedar]

I prefer understanding what is happening

[bright temple]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-prince-we-will-smith-theres-no-we-shocked-gif-17214689

[livid elk]

just unlocked New Year's Eve for 1999, arethere any long lasting effects completing it will ahve (to like hex progress orwtv)?

[tall echo]

No

[tall echo]

No

[tall echo]

You won't be able to rank up further unless you complete it

[quiet ruin]

300+ notifications in the lore channel in the past 8 hours. Is it Christmas?

[pale cedar]

Unfortunately not

[quiet ruin]

Albrecht made all the protoframes take 90s teen magazine personality tests to decide which warframes he'd assign them. Its canon via eternalism

[livid elk]

wanna bunch his hat off that wee ass head...

[tall echo]

You have notifications for messages here on?

[quiet ruin]

No, dear God. But there's so few new conversations in here that there's not usually much to backread. I check in daily just to see what's new in this channel.

[tall echo]

I check in almost hourly

[quiet ruin]

Yeah well im on vacation so 🕶️

[tall echo]

I have no life and I must read

[quiet ruin]

This is your life now

[tall echo]

Well, yes. I store and explain lore now

If you see me in the general channel it's a containment breach

[quiet ruin]

Anyways I also think albrecht did research on the 90s to figure out how to dress himself to blend in and ended up reading jojo's bizarre adventure.

(Conjecture. Joking. References.)

General chat scary. Whats a build, I just talk about lore

[bright temple]

Considering the wf naming convention, they would have GoGo’s Strange Journey

[ebon olive]

bipp bopp's abnormal voyage

[quiet ruin]

Well he stole botaro bujo's outfit

[hushed gale]

In lore, how do Warframes skills work? Like they can Channel their own void energy in their abilities? Or do they use like the tenno's void energy?

[lean garden]

they use void energy supplied by the Heart of Deimos

[eager dragon]

Do we know if the completion of the Heart of Deimos Quest post-War Within is canon?

(Like, for those who completed it after doing the War Within)

[hushed gale]

Ohhh fr, that's why the warframe was thrashed in the heart of deimos quest post heart "destruction"

Forgot that

[hushed gale]

Thanks mate

[lean garden]

I think its not so much different

but the way its ordered now makes it so that you'd clear Heart of Deimos before even reaching TSD

[eager dragon]

Yeah, I know. I'm just wondering if it's possible for a Warframe to function without the Heart of Deimos via the Tenno now that we are no longer bound to the Somatic link from Lua.

[lean garden]

I think the warframe would go down still

[glacial bough]

We see what happened when a frame loses access to the heart. We can still move them but they're near death

[eager dragon]

It's just odd. So our Void energy is enough to feed the Zariman crew to retain existence (which they seemingly can't do from the Heart I think), yet not enough to fully power a Warframe?

[hushed gale]

But the tenno void energy in a way comes from the heart, or am i very wrong?

[eager dragon]

From the way Wally seems to always talk of it I assumed not

Not sure though

[hushed gale]

Didn't the daughter or mother say something like "you are only special because of this heart"

[eager dragon]

Right, but the way it's currently placed means that, at that time, we are still in the Second Dream, and thus connecting it via the stuff on Lua

[eager dragon]

That could also be about the Frames themselfs 🤷‍♂️

[hushed gale]

Maybe he gave us a way to absorb and channel the existing void energy

Gave us void manipulation

Don't know

[hushed gale]

Fr

[lean garden]

I think its more like different kinds of power "adapters" here

no issue for the holdfasts to slurp up our "light"

because thats how it works for them void suckers

but for a warframe designed to take power from the void background radiation

[hushed gale]

Damn that makes sense

Maybe its cause like the warframes can't take our own energy for a long time possibly overloading them as it's focused

The background radiation is way more dissipated so it's easier to use it

As it's spread across the entire origin system

But that takes us to Tau, does the heart's energy reach there?

[eager dragon]

It clearly did in the Old War, as we see in the Mag Prime codex it's at least functional.

Dunno if it's at the same power level as in the Origin System though

[hushed gale]

In the old peace teaser it seems almost like if not more powerful than in the origin system

(sorry for bad English, not my native language)

[eager dragon]

I don't want to bring up the Old Peace 'cause we don't know if maybe they have a way to bridge the Heart's power (or build another one) with the Tauron academy

Versus the natural radiation from it

[tall echo]

Only frames'

Tenno generate their void powers by themselves

[hushed gale]

Fr

[tall echo]

No, it seems equally as powerful

[past halo]

Sooo why is Ur-Hatho willingly giving us basically their leg bone for Caliban Prime to use

[tall echo]

Because

[lilac aspen]

Because it’s only a leg
They have more

[eager dragon]

Would you not give up a body part in the pursuit of Knowledge and Science?

[past halo]

I'm pretty sure Sentients willingly giving pieces of themselves wasn't a part of the treaty between Tau and the Origin System

[tall echo]

And if it's an intact sentient it could just regrow the limb

[eager dragon]

Well, that's why it's "willingly"

He agreed to it

[tall echo]

Did you read it?

[eager dragon]

'Cause science

[past halo]

I did. Sentients are friggin weird

[tall echo]

Where

[past halo]

First sentence of Venato Prime's description

Sembik Vol must have been casually okay about it, if not shaken a bit

[tall echo]

I meant the treaty

[past halo]

Reb said it during the Old Peace gameplay demo

When we are in the Tauron Academy

[proper barn]

I mean all in the name of peace of cooperation.

[tall echo]

The entire treaty? No.

[misty salmon]

lol imagine DE getting their writers and their lawyers to draft an entire treaty for us to read.

[pale cedar]

Orokin lawyers

[eager dragon]

Yes, please, I need this, DE make this real I beg you

[lilac aspen]

They get writers and lawyers VA as Orokin and Sentients explaining the treaty.

They go even further
Motion capturing the writers and lawyers sitting in a room

[eager dragon]

Just record the entire thing and put it as a cutscene

(With some CGI for the Sentients)

[lilac aspen]

We better be getting a Caliban Prime trailer

Hear glorious LORE talk

[eager dragon]

I think it was confirmed that we won't?

[lilac aspen]

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiwami-2-yakuza-kiwami-2-yakuza-2-slamming-desk-gif-7817746537201906733

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-pinkman-jesse-getting-away-with-it-he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-25030404

[strange plinth]

i thought they said something like they had ideas for the "next prime's trailer" during tennocon
dunno if that's changed since, though

[eager dragon]

I think it was mentioned in an Interview post Tennocon, but I might be misremembering

Hopefully I'm wrong, 'cause I also got the impression that they were going to do more Prime Trailers

But I dunno

[chrome frost]

If we get a trailer there better be Dakto spitting venom in caliban's direction the entire time

[restive river]

Erra:

[chrome frost]

Erra:talks about caliban and how he created him

Dakto half way through the trailer:

[normal mountain]

Erra: performs signature head crush

[chrome frost]

Either way old piece implies that caliban was an old war warframe at first, and I don't remember seeing erra in the showcase of the game play so either way he's not the father when it comes to caliban prime

[shut token]

How does capturing an enemy work? Do they get synthesized and then ran through a Monte Carlo simulation?

[chrome frost]

....depends, are you referring to the capture missions or the simaris hunts

[normal mountain]

Caliban was always an Old War frame
His Cranion helmet confirmed that ages ago

[shut token]

Capture missions.

[proper barn]

Source?

[chrome frost]

Hmmm I think we teleport them or store them in some pocket dimension, though I am not sure due to not having any lore behind it

[restive river]

[shut token]

I see

[chrome frost]

Erra:this perfect hybrid of sentient manifold and orokin technology is what unites u-
Dakto:This abomination is a waste of orokin gold, all void luggers responsible for its creation should be sentenced to JADE LIGHT!

[shut token]

The reason I believe that the capture target is synthesized is because a synthesized being is technically immortal. You can interrogate them as many times as you want. You could get the information through a simulated eternity of questioning or torture and you could do this thousands or millions of times over until you get what you need.

[swift sentinel]

Just because Erra isn't present doesn't mean that he wasn't involved in Priming Caliban.

[restive river]

I mean Erra would have been in Tau

He likely did assist in priming caliban

[tall echo]

Daklo

[tall echo]

They get transported to an interrogation room

[eager oriole]

I HAVE a lore inquiry about 1999 and the loop.

[unborn wing]

uh huh?

[strange plinth]

yeah?

[lilac aspen]

L o r e i n q u i r y ?

[drifting narwhal]

I would have thought Ballas would but both of them probably. Completely forgot about Erra to be honest

[eager oriole]

Should I spoil?

Like the text.

[strange plinth]

this is lore chat, unmarked spoilers are normal

[half vortex]

I was gonna say, even the pinned post says to expect spoilers. You should be okay.

[eager oriole]

Okily dokily.
I'm talking with my pals, my best friends, my(everyone's) wife, Eleanor, and they all talk about forgetting how many loops there have been, and I know each month you can choose to forget and start over, but I've not done that before.
Is it only me who either chooses to forget or remember?

[lean garden]

youre the one who effectively chooses, but as shown by the ending of the first part of the Hex, you can help them remember

Mind you, viktor likely does not remember at all

which means everytime you pull up its fresh horror for him

[eager oriole]

I'm just curious if I ffffffff...fricked up, or something else.

[strange plinth]

its also saying that there could've been any number of loops "offscreen" that they would eventually forget as well through normal means rather than time-loop related stuff

[half vortex]

You know, Viktor being shocked and horrified fresh each year, I'm kinda okay with that.

[hexed oxide]

That choice at the end of the month is more of a gameplay thing. everyone but lizzie seem to forget (mostly) everything

[eager oriole]

Awesome, that's what I love, Inflicting near Eldritch space horror among random people.

[lilac aspen]

“Oh boy the sun came out final-“
Jade descending from the sky like an biblically accurate angel:

[lean garden]

theres a tumblr thread out there capturing that feel for viktor

but arthur also brings it up

[eager oriole]

Yeah, Talking with Arthur and he mentioned something about talking about previous Loops with Lizzie.

[lean garden]

superbloke and kent clarke

[hexed oxide]

The shag cannons

[eager oriole]

IVE HEARD OF THEM.

[strange plinth]

someone brought up a q convo about getting vibes of past timelines that he doesn't remember iirc, so the helminth seems to be giving them tiny pieces regardless of if they're properly remembering

[normal mountain]

There's a funny Arthur conversation along those lines
Because he doesn't know how Transference works, he probably thinks the Hex have an army of mutant horrors at their disposal

[strange plinth]

viktor watching the hex pull up with a giant spider for some reason:

[normal mountain]

The Hex minus Lettie, if it's that particular one, you mean

[eager oriole]

I can't wait for the new protoframes, I love the Kim system.

[hexed oxide]

I hope dating is separate from 1999

Like, 19999 dating and 1999 dating

[lilac aspen]

Me the average Scaldra Soldier watching half my friends get vaporized from existence by a walking nuclear reactor:

Me when I see a weird entity adapt to my bullets and then summon three other weird entities that proceed to turn into cannons to shoot my friends:

Me when one of these Hex literally explode their body off and run towards me as a skeleton, stealing all our guns and using them on us too:

They don’t pay Scaldra enough for this nightmare

[hexed oxide]

They don't need payment

They seem zealous enough

[tall echo]

??

[lilac aspen]

We should tell Lettie we have a frame that loved her pets so much she fused with them to bring them back to life

[normal mountain]

Me when I finally kill the weird zombie looking Hex, only to have him rise from the dead to kill us again

[normal mountain]

Lettie doesn't like spiders

[tall echo]

Oh

[hexed oxide]

Is that so ?

[trim kettle]

wait so are the crew of the zariman dudes void manifestations

[woven coyote]

Dont remember if lettie says she hates spiders in general or if its just the metaphorical ones she talks about

[silk atlas]

Pretty much. Died, now revived and haunt the Zariman

[tall echo]

Manifestations of memories

[cosmic badge]

They stay alive due to the connection to us correct?

[tall echo]

Oh ye

[half vortex]

Yeah, they even remember how they died.

[trim kettle]

yeah just unlocked r4

[tall echo]

Are you getting confused from her referring to depression as spiders?

[tall echo]

Yes

Well, they don't become angels due to feeding off of the tenno's void energy

[half vortex]

Yeah, they talk about feeding off the radiance or light of the Tenno, since they were initially connected to the reliquary drive, risking them turning into angels.

[proper barn]

That's not true.

She just says "the spiders" when she's talking about her bad thoughts.

[restive river]

Ballas wasn’t in Tau though

[hexed oxide]

Arañitas

I think she called her bad thoughts like that

[drifting narwhal]

Oh

[proper barn]

Yes spiders.

[normal mountain]

Hmmm
That is a possibility
I thought for sure she wasn't fond of the real things either

I could be wrong there

[tall echo]

I don't think she ever mentions it

[lilac aspen]

Pretty sure she refers to her depression as “Spiders”

Considering she likes all our animals, I don’t think she’d find actual spiders scary

[half vortex]

Lettie did have some unfriendly words about Kalymos at first, but she was convinced Kalymos was going to eat her rats and was basically a spy for Entrati. Her seething hatred of Albrecht actually overrode her love for animals until/if Drifter convinces her that Kalymos is good.

[dire shadow]

So let's just say Soulframe is another shot at Eternalism. The Drifter is living in a significantly different way than the other two variants of himself.

How would it be? What would be the divergence in the timeline?

Maybe he never boarded the Zariman as a child and it had a cataclysmic event somehow?
I like to speculate on things like this.

[lean garden]

well, for starters soulframe and warframe are only related by virtue of being made by DE

the Envoy and the Drifter arent versions of each other

It would be akin to trying to speculate what are the divergences to result in Luke Skywalker of Star Wars and Jean-luc Picard of Star Trek

[stiff beacon]

honestly its best to liken them to warhammer 40k and fantasy

they share similiar elements

but are not connected

[dire shadow]

It's Dark Sector & Warframe all over again, somehow being disconnected from each other

If they could just connect their universes, that'd be great. They'd have such a good concept by connecting the lot

[dire shadow]

Also like I said, speculation. Theories. You into that concept?

I ain't going into Soulframe thinking "this is a whole new thing", I'm gonna think "how'd the Drifter end up in this situation?"

[lean garden]

refer back to my earlier example:
this is like asking how would Luke Skywalker end up on the USS Enterprise

[humble sierra]

It's explicitly not the Drifter and it has very little in common with Duviri

[lean garden]

there isnt even anything to attempt speculation here

[humble sierra]

It's important to accept that they're separate things. You'll enjoy them more that way

Especially further if there's little Easter eggs in Soulframe, like an Excalibur mask cosmetic or Man in the Wall appearing as a jumpscare in one corner of a room— but only there.

[dire shadow]

I'll just go by headcanons while I play then. It'll be more fun that way

Separating them is too plain for me

[high bay]

Would it be realistic for a Solaris to offer up their organics as payment for a gift from another, better off, Solaris?

[lean garden]

I mean, sure, it would be quite messed up, but not unrealistic

[high bay]

Sweet! I’m trying how to repay one of my irls for offering to get me the Caliban Prime cosmetics and I’m trying to figure out how to repay him, all I can think of is organics, but that won’t be pretty

He isn’t demanding repayment, I just don’t like being in debt, even if it’s born of charity(more charity is more power)

[proper barn]

This is funny to me.

[spice jewel]

Money begets money.

[proper barn]

@high bay I mean in fortuna we know many people that buy others outta debt.

[proper barn]

It doesn't though

[spice jewel]

You dare question Parvos’ tenets? How idle!

[proper barn]

Yes.

[mystic lynx]

In Lavos prime desc it says that some wf gets primed, does that mean the og Lavos gets primed like some kind of pokemon evolution or a brand new wf is created based on Lavos and is labeled a prime?

[restive river]

He primed himself
But they’re likely just the upgraded or best version of that model of frame

[mystic lynx]

So it's still the same Lavos in a new form interesting

[bright temple]

Parvos deserves to be bonked with hammers

[misty salmon]

Parvos? Ban'im.

[strange turtle]

(Actually they are but its done in a really stupid way and isn’t actually relevant even when its brought up so it can be ignored)

[eager dragon]

https://youtu.be/9MIzxaroV78?feature=shared

At about ~24:10

[proper barn]

what does Potato say?

[eager dragon]

He asks whether Caliban will recieve a Prime trailer and both Reb and Meg confirm that he won't

[proper barn]

booooooooo

ah well.

[eager dragon]

Yeah, I'm also disappointed

[brave laurel]

So is the new update story coming out on 26th August or is that just caliban prime

[polar sparrow]

Just Caliban prime it seems

Sad

[swift sentinel]

Fall update after the September DevStream. Old Peace in Winter.

Fall update will have the tutorial quest with Teshin, Oberon rework and Warframe #61.

[eager dragon]

Based on previous updates and the Devstream date, the Fall update will probably be somewhere in October

While the Old Peace will be in December

[robust arch]

okay so who is wally in this game

[eager dragon]

Eldritch Being beyond your comprehension /j

Jokes aside he's basically a consciousness born of the Void when Albrecht Entrati entered the Void for the first time.

That wants to get his finger back 'cause it times him to the strands of Khra, effectively limiting him to linear time.

[robust arch]

so whys he qn issue

[eager dragon]

Because we have no clue what he would do if he did get his finger back

Very possible that the origin system would be drenched in an eternal Void Storm

Considering what the Angles do in the Zariman

[strange plinth]

we also owe him.. something
part of the deal that gave us void powers
whatever his interpretation of "Our Light" was

[eager dragon]

Yeah. That something being our "light", although we don't actually know what that entails.

[robust arch]

oh wally is man in the wall

[strange plinth]

yeah

[robust arch]

has it ever occured that ballas was right and we could very much be the bad guys

[strange plinth]

"wally" is just what the community calls him
shorter than any of his other names and pronouncable, unlike 'tmitw'

[eager dragon]

I call him "the Indifference" sometimes