lore-discussion

[proper barn]

There aren't any flowers on cetus that look like that?

I don't think.

[analog glade]

from the lock box?

Saya's Vigil's flower

[proper barn]

That's glass.

[analog glade]

iron techincally

Still. DE reuses assets thematically

[lilac aspen]

For all we know Umbra thinks he was at the ruins of his old home.

He’s not exactly stable until after we help him out

[analog glade]

He found a tree that matches the one from a burning memory he can not forget for sure.

[tall echo]

They're not the same model

[analog glade]

maybe i got that wrong then

my point still stands. the tree from his memory would be a unknowable age older, and would be much bigger depending on the species of tree

I would also note, in the memory the tree sits in a pool of water, on a small island

and the one from the scene is on flat land

[tall echo]

You're just completely skipping over the fact that the building umbra is in during the memory is absent in the present

[analog glade]

he did say ruins

[tall echo]

Like that's the most obvious difference

There's not even ruins

[analog glade]

to me its more like a bonsai tree, just bigger. pruned to look similar to the other.

[tall echo]

The door leading to the courtyard isn't even the same

[dense herald]

question does the second dream end after we come back on the ship in person? or is there more to the quest? because it's telling me to go to neptune?

[lean garden]

take a screenshot

[dense herald]

nvm it is complete, I was just misremembering what was shown

it was about the war within quest not the second dream

[strange turtle]

Ludonarrative dissonance

[brittle siren]

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[dense herald]

uh was this always there in the plains of eidalon? or is it because I did the second dream quest?

[analog glade]

Second dream quest

[stoic cradle]

Guys, if i want to know story better.

1. I need to do side quests?
2. In three open area reach 5 lvl of reputation before i go to another quest?

Or go straight through all the main quests?

I mean, if a side quest appears after completing the main quest, should I do it right away?

[lean garden]

1. If you want to get more lore then yea, if you want to try your hand at some frames without using the circuit then yea
2. Not necessary

if a side quest appears after completing the main quest, should I do it right away?
I would say its generally up to you, but I highly recommend not doing the Duviri Paradox until you've done The New War, but if youre impatient, then up to the War Within

[stoic cradle]

Thanks

[daring flare]

Is sevagoth's shadow a warframe?

[analog glade]

Mod wise yes, lore wise, probally not.

[eager dragon]

Kinda?

Less a Warframe than the equinox twins I guess

[analog glade]

To me its a more animated version of chroma's pelt

[stiff beacon]

It's basically a stand

[daring flare]

if we assume the shadow is a warframe would that make the claws an exalted weapon? Even though it's part of the frame itself?

[eager dragon]

The claw is an exalted weapon gameplay wise anyways 🤷‍♂️

Don't think lore wise there are exalted weapons as a definition

[daring flare]

I see

what's the lore definition?

[analog glade]

Sevagoth's roving spirit, formed from concentrated Void energy.

so his claws are not called exalted, but they would still probably be exalted.

[eager dragon]

Pretty sure lore wise exalted weapons are just... weapons. They come in-build with the Warframes, yes, but they are still weapons.

[tall echo]

There's no lore about exalted stuff it's just another ability, and that's what the shadow is

[iron tiger]

Why did the drifter gain the powers when he did and why were able to swap positions when the lotus was attacking?

[pale cedar]

Was powerless shook the hand of the person gaining powers simple as that

[iron tiger]

So the operators action in their own history effected the drifters abilities

[pale cedar]

Yes

Drifter got teleported into the handshake connecting the 2

[untold acorn]

Guys what's the lore with the new war

I wanna understand it while playing it

[pale cedar]

That’s 5 hours of lore better to finish it then ask questions after you’re done

[untold acorn]

Gonna take me tmmrw or 2 days

Depends on if I can be ask

But like I wanna understand it

Like the pre part

Before the quest

[proper barn]

No. The Drifter and Operator are literally the same person until that moment and then the only difference is the operators Zariman comes out of the Void and drifter's doesn't look.

[proper barn]

Oh it's Erra and Ballas working together thats it.

[untold acorn]

Ik ballas is a so called creator of the tennos

[proper barn]

@untold acorn unless you mean quests before that?

[untold acorn]

And erra is lotus/nahan sis

[proper barn]

Well warframes

Brother

[pale cedar]

That’s not what I’m talking about though

[proper barn]

Natah*

[untold acorn]

Forgot what's it called

The pre war?

Idk I'm not on to check

[proper barn]

Old war?

Prelude to war?

The prelude to war is like 1 old war flash back to erra getting blasted by Lotus and then just Erra and Ballas working together in the current time.

[untold acorn]

That's it

Why are they working?

Together

[proper barn]

Okay so

Ballas even in the old war worked with the sentients to destory the orokin cuz nothing is ever his fault.

[untold acorn]

Okay

[proper barn]

Ballas is Working with Erra cuz Ballas wants complete controll of everything always cuz he's dumb and evil.

[untold acorn]

So he wanted to destroy the orokin cuz nothing is his fault

[proper barn]

What part of the new war are you at?

[untold acorn]

Icl I js stared

Started*

[proper barn]

Okay so he blamed The Orokin Empire for killing Margulis

[untold acorn]

Who's that. ( I skip cutscene so I won't know)

[proper barn]

Oh no

Dont do that

[analog glade]

well he blamed the orokin empire for ruining his property is what he was thinking.

[untold acorn]

I like to understand the lore later

[silk atlas]

Bro.

[proper barn]

Why do you care about lore and

[untold acorn]

I like to be spoil to it

[proper barn]

Skip cutscene.

I don't understand gamers.

Also Margulis isn't in cutscenes it's in normal dialog.

[untold acorn]

It's gonna take me extra 4 hour if I don't skip it

[proper barn]

Also don't skip new war cutscens.

[proper barn]

Literally untrue.

[untold acorn]

I'll take your word

[analog glade]

don't skip, or what your doing will make no sense

[iron tiger]

What do we think razul-tarat kanummu means in void tongue

In the trailer for the devils triad

I think kanummu means devil ngl but idk what the other words mean

[analog glade]

Well we know Mara lohk is what the indifference calls us, and is probably devil as well.

[lilac aspen]

Most gamers: “I don’t know where I am, or who I am. All I know is that I must kill.”

[chrome frost]

Mehhh Mara might mean orphan or child, I do not think that wally of all things would be one to call a tenno a void devil since he himself Is a void entity

[raw forum]

There something I need to know,the drifter says to one of the protoframes that humans never made contact with aliens/outer beings,then what is the indifference?hanhow?Ballas?the infection?the man in the wall?

[misty salmon]

Ballas is human, just really into cosmetic surgery. Hunhow (the sentients) and the Infestation both seem to be at least initially human made bio-organisms. The indifference/Wally seems to be a manifestation of Albrecht's psyche caused by his initial trip into the void.

[analog glade]

The infection we are still learning about, but might be man made

[digital echo]

Mara Lohk directly translates to "Child (of) Void", so Void Child is what ol wally calls us

[lilac aspen]

The only “Alien” we really know is Man in the Wall

But Wally is less extraterrestrial and more so incomprehensible horrors from outside this realm of existence

Everyone else were originally humans or made by those people/originated on planets habitated by humans

So quite literally everything we face and encounter are just terrestrials like us

Minus Wally

[analog glade]

Orokin is just what the people call themselves instead of Human.

[lilac aspen]

Humans that believe they transcended into Godhood

(Humans that just jumped into a pool of blue paint, wear gold, grow an arm longer, and occasionally chug mystic kool-aid)

[violet storm]

I’m curious how Grineer came about

[analog glade]

just clone workforce

[digital echo]

cloning technology, excessive amounts of cloning technology

[violet storm]

Makes sense

And aren’t the majority of modern Grineer derived from a prime one that beat a sentient to death with a shovel

[analog glade]

its not just the upper cast, like Ballas, but also the normal people. Hunow also referse to Alad as Orokin as an example.

[lilac aspen]

OG Grineers were workers cloned
The Orokin then repurposed them as soldiers since these guys are built different to do all that hard labor anyways.
Then when Orokin died Grineer just kept cloning the clones which slowly degraded the genetics.

[chrome frost]

Indifference:embodiment of human indifference created by a very smart dum dum by accident (wally is part of the indifference)

Hunhow:is a sentient, sentients are machines made by humans called orokin
Ballas (an elite orokin):human modified to be more than human, again is a human. There are more bizarre orokins like the executor tuvul who has 7 stomachs

The infestation:original strain/virus unknown, the current strains are all altered by the orokin because they tried to weaponize it during the old war

[digital echo]

i think it was a couple of them but yeah, like they took the DNA sequence of the few who were capable of killing sentients and went into overclock on making a clone army out of that

[tall echo]

There's still no official translation of mara

[violet storm]

And the excessive amount of cloning the clones caused the rot to happen, likely shortening the lifespan of Grineer soldier

[digital echo]

but its the most plausable answer as to what it means

[lilac aspen]

It’s like how if I made a robot to do a ton of construction work and it decided to throw hands

I’d be terrified because the robot was already designed to lug around tons of weight without issue, and now it’s using that to lug a bar of rebar at someone’s cranium

[tall echo]

Yes, but it's not confirmed, thus stating it like a fact is incorrect

[digital echo]

they come of age at year 1, have their mid life crisis by 2, and hit the grave halfway to year 3

[analog glade]

The words for Mara and lohk might also have multiple meanings seperatly depending on the sentence used.

[chrome frost]

Problem being that the orokin altered the clones to be more war focused, so it's like you yourself gave a gun to that robot and said "go fight" and instead it went "aye why would i fight for ya? >:(" before shooting you

[restive river]

I mean Lohk def relates to the void

Mara has yet to be proven but is likely Child or in this instance with them together it’s Child of the Void

[analog glade]

And then you make small changes to the clone. the ones that live longer you clone more of. slowly degrading the dna.

[restive river]

Lotus calls us Child of the Void for the first time literally right after that encounter with Wally where he says Mara Lohk, which while not a confirmation by any means is certainly curious

[lilac aspen]

It’d be interesting to find out Wally has been basically referring to us at its child then

[violet storm]

I mean, Ruk, Vor, Kril, Tyl, Kela, and Hek seem to be better off than the others, being significantly more literate and able to construct well formed sentences. And Tyl exhibits some of the highest intelligence of the Grineer, so they probably weren’t too excessively cloned

[digital echo]

Hek is on life support by this point with the sheer amount of drugs hes being pumped up on

[restive river]

Eh I don’t think that’s what he means when he calls us that

[violet storm]

I mean, he got ripped apart by ghouls thanks to Tengus

[chrome frost]

Did you just say that krill and hek are better off?

[silk atlas]

This is only if he's the physical manifestation of the Void, and we know that's not gonna be a thing thats explained anytime soon

[restive river]

It is curious that Wally calls both the Operator AND Drifter Mara Lohk
Which
Both have the same origin in the Zariman, it’s just their paths also diverged there
Both could be seen as children of the void

[violet storm]

Not like basic Grineer with basic intelligence

[restive river]

Drifter was technically raised in and by void manifestations
Operator was given a piece of Wally

[analog glade]

Well Ruk is said to be mostly cybernetic too by lore.

[violet storm]

He did that to himself, if what the lotus says is right

[analog glade]

He is probably not a jalapeno on a stick like Vay hek though.

[violet storm]

Thank tengus for that

[lilac aspen]

Tyl Regor is too based
For the Toobmen

[analog glade]

Does make me wonder if they'll make a clone of Tyl. Seeing as he was one of the smartest grineer around.

[lilac aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-bnp-tyl-regor-gif-17500853

[violet storm]

Tyl definitely knows what he’s doing, and his attempts to get better genes for his toobmen may be for the betterment of grineer(or just his tubemen)

[chrome frost]

Idk about you but a floating potato head with mind half a nut wide and a face that looks like a skin graft (totally didn't steal this one from konzu) doesn't strike me as the most intelligent among them same as krill. I mean Hek didn't even create anything himself, most of his "achievements" were made by doctor tengus, and krill is just a glorified grineer Lancer who wad given a bigger melee and heavily modified

[analog glade]

Hek was a councilman before the Tengus thing really

[misty salmon]

Are the Tubemen a particular subgroup of Grineer, or is that just how Tyl refers to all grineer because he's overseeing the cloning operations?

[lilac aspen]

He refers to grineer as Tubemen

Because they come from the from the tube

[chrome frost]

Uhhh I think it's just how regor refers to the ones he's responsible for making

[analog glade]

Tyl is good on brain, not good on word

[violet storm]

Daughter does call Kahl a “Vat Rat”

[lilac aspen]

“I can’t believe these men come from the tube.” - Vay Hek

“Say that again.” - Tyl Regor

[violet storm]

Also, my question what Does the 175 even mean?

[analog glade]

Batch Kahl, clone 175

[violet storm]

Figured bout as much, wasn’t exactly sure

[misty salmon]

I guess we haven't been fighting too many Kahls then, I would have expected the number to be higher.

[chrome frost]

Wrong...
"WHY ARE THESE MEN COMING FROM MY TUUBES!? THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!"- councilor Vey Hek

[misty salmon]

great, now I'm thinking about Vey Hek's tubes... I do not appreciate this.

[lilac aspen]

Are you insane
If they sent Kahls at us, we’d lose

[violet storm]

Kahl’s also kind of a veteran. If his default outfit description is anything to go by

[chrome frost]

I thank sol and Lua every single day that the queens haven't figured out how to make a batch of Clems and kahls

[analog glade]

Actually, hopefully they do. They betrayed the queens.

[violet storm]

More he went his own way when he realized no-one was coming for him or his brothers, Kahl

[lilac aspen]

If we have Kahl gameplay
We need Clem gameplay now

[chrome frost]

I still wonder how much spam mail Kahl gets from steel meridians trying to recruit him

[violet storm]

Probably outright turned em down the first time

[chrome frost]

First they need to make a game mode where you play as steel meridian grineer, fighting a team of other players with different variants of clones acting as different classes. Clone fortress. 4000 conclave standing for a team win

[lilac aspen]

Clone Fortress…
I would like Clone Fortress, too

[chrome frost]

....say that again

[lilac aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/meet-the-scout-pose-gif-21302171

[dim mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-gif-25786536

[raw forum]

What is the tau and what is narmer?

[eager dragon]

Tau is a system and/or planet (depending on what the KIM chats mean - might be both). Either way it's in a separate star system, based on the stars very likely to be Sirius. Narmer is the faction first created by Ballas and later inherited by Pazuul.

[strange turtle]

Actually from the Old Peace reveal showing the stars people have been theorising that it’s actually Sirius, despite the Ceti variant of the Lacera from Scarlet Spear

[analog glade]

It could also be a star that doesn't exist currently. But the details of what they based Tau on is limited.

[raw forum]

So...aliens?

[eager dragon]

Sentients? No. They were sent there by the Orokin to terraform the planets.

[raw forum]

oh ok

[jade abyss]

i love this picture ( i made it)

(max graph on rx570)

[sudden cave]

do we know how albrecht was doing the time loop before the drifter took it over?

more than "something something void bs maybe?" anyway

[frail musk]

To add to what the others are saying Narmer comes from Egyptian history as one of the pharaohs who united the North and South of Egypt

“All as One”

[tall echo]

Something something void bs maybe

[strange turtle]

Something something something* void bs maybe

They asked for more

[distant parcel]

something something dark side, something something complete

[woven coyote]

No aliens in wraframe, everything so far is either humanity, caused by humanity, or made by humanity

[stiff beacon]

Or pissed off by humanity

[strange turtle]

That one isn’t an or in this situation, since the ones pissed off by humanity are all created by or derived from them

[silk atlas]

"This says a lot about our society, and yet, we live in one"

[lilac aspen]

Warframe Lore breakdown

“Humanity makes something”
“They piss off that something.”
“Humanity is shocked.”
“Repeat for a few times.”

[sudden cave]

with the possible exception of the man in the wall. it's unclear whether he/it a) already existed as an independent entity in the void, b) is a personification/manifestation of the void itself, c) was created unintentionally by albrecht experiencing the void through the lens of his own fear, d) something else, or e) some combination of the above

oh, also possibly the Infestation, since we don't really know where it came from, but i guess it's still technically not an alien because it came from earth. but if by "alien" we mean "non-human-or-human-derived consciousness" then it might count

[misty salmon]

Wally seems to have not existed, or at least not been bothered to manifest as something identifiable, until Albrecht went void diving personally.

so regardless of whether he could have existed without human intervention, his interest certainly seems to be a consequence of humanity.

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht did kinda lore dump existence into Wally or something

Something something Wally was picking around his brain when he went Void spelunking

Albrecht caused Wally to exist
Or
Albrecht managed to make the Eldritch Entity notice the specs of dust after one removed a couple of Wally’s fingers.

[zinc cloud]

@sudden cave my theory is the man in the wall has expanded itself to the brims of its own universe and now has to expand into ours and the reason we have some of the man in the wall (ie: his finger for our rail jack) is because he lets us and it’s like leaving a piece of you somewhere else in time and space that you always feel and know where and when it is, and that’s how he always knows what we’re doing and always seems to have something in place for us now

[eager dragon]

Nah, the finger is what keeps him trapped

He wants it back

As it stands, it links him to a single strand of khra (if I'm remembering right)

Effectively locking him to linear time, kinda

[zinc cloud]

That makes sense entirely, but one thing I like to stare at is the endless space that lotus stares at and if you look closer it’s like upside down cities and giant gapping maws and it pushes the borders of our universe and st the edge stands lotus holding it all back it seems

[sudden cave]

the lotus wasn't hanging out there until the update before 1999. albrecht's labs are mixed with the void because of his whole [waves hand] stuff and it reflects a distorted version of that environment

[misty salmon]

Not sure the finger keeps Wally trapped, though I can see the argument. He is definitely angry about the whole finger thing though, which doesn't quite mesh with him actually wanting it to be here.

[eager dragon]

It definitely does, just might be misremembering how. Give me a sec to dig up sources

[sudden cave]

we do know that the lotus is hearing the void sing to her in an attempt to draw her in and iirc she's using her love for the operator/drifter/tenno as an anchor to resist it (it's been a minute, idr if that's it exactly)

check the dialogue in the hex and hex finale

i believe the mitw says something like "i made a deal with you and that was fine but all the other void tech was taken without permission"

[feral cape]

Using the energy of the nuclear reactor

[sudden cave]

it specifically used the word "butchery"

[feral cape]

Fibanochi directly tells us that the missing fingers is what keeps wally bound to strands of khra

[lilac aspen]

Using the energy found in the epicenter of a nuclear reactor exploding*

Basically going “Tenno I need a blast so powerful to produce just enough of the energy to time loop.”

[sudden cave]

i'm confused now. it seems like the "default" timeline is the one in which the nuke goes off (ignoring the fact that that's not how nuclear reactors work), thus wiping out the techrot and preventing the eventual discovery of the void via butterfly effect. but that can't be true because a) then, obviously, albrecht wouldn't have discovered the void, and more directly b) why bother telling the drifter about it when he could just wait?

[eager dragon]

No, Albrecht clearly made the explosion as seen with him getting access to the reactor via Amir

(I think)

Atleast I feel like that makes more sense

[feral cape]

Nuclear reactors exploding both isnt how they work really and also wouldn't produce more energy than the reactor contains albretch just uses the energy the reactor has and also probably put a bunch of bombs under it or something

[sudden cave]

wasn't he already looping? one of the kim chats with amir has you point out that entrati basically save-scummed his convo with amir, so he shouldn't feel bad about being duped (more or less)

[feral cape]

Albrecht made the reactor go off

[lilac aspen]

Because Albrecht keeps time looping by doing whatever to the reactor

He was simply explaining it to the Drifter this loop

[eager dragon]

Pretty sure that's just Orokin level tech being used, not save scumming. Like our Parazon for hacking in the good ending

[lilac aspen]

I’m seeing it as he’s essentially forcing the reactor to work at such ridiculous limits to actually generate the needed energy that the whole thing goes up in flames in the end.

Hence why all the safety features and stuff seem turned off or all that to force the reactor to operate at dangerous levels to allow that generation of energy

[sudden cave]

no, i'm pretty sure the line is specifically that "entrati had as many chances as he needed to get it right"

or something very similar, anyway

[eager dragon]

Wait, are we talking about the same chat? I meant the one about getting info and security and stuff for the reactor

From the PC

[lilac aspen]

To explain the butterfly effect
It doesn’t exist in Warframe

Instead it branches

[misty salmon]

Part of Gargoyle's Cry? Seems the transcript is missing from the wiki.

[feral cape]

Whisper in the walls

[sudden cave]

yeah, where amir is like "the computer started talking to me and told me i could save the world so i gave him my passwords like a moron" and drifter is like "you're not a moron he literally did it over and over until he got what he wanted"

[feral cape]

Ignore the text and comment reply

My own page was simply the quickest way for me to find this transcript

[eager dragon]

"Future Tech"

[misty salmon]

did find it on the wiki, after getting slightly distracted enjoying some of the other voice lines.

[sudden cave]

no, not that bit. gimme a minute i'm on mobile, i'll find it but i think it's just a bit later in the same tree

[glacial bough]

No it exists. 1999 is just too long scale

[feral cape]

Its more probably following the loki thing where causing a bunch of problems in a calamity means nothing because everything is being destroyed

Its not that its too far its that 18 radiation wars happen

[sudden cave]

this'll take a little longer than i thought, the wiki doesn't have all the dialogue listed and the source i have is pngs

ha, i found it

granted, i misremembered it, but i knew there was drifter dialogue about it somewhere

(blue is amir, red is drifter, tree is rank5convo2)

also from eleanor's chats

(sorry for giant white space, it's an image file)

[eager dragon]

Yeah, key word "if". That means that the default must have been no explosion, which means ot was Albrecht that set it up, probably to make it harder for the Indifference to get to him.

[sudden cave]

yeah i confused myself

different question: is there a canon reason why we don't need void keys anymore but the grineer still use them (vor, void sabotage)?

or is it just "that's happening in the background because it wasn't fun in gameplay, it's actually still the same"?

[eager dragon]

Probably this, I think

[sudden cave]

that reminds me, i should play vor's new fight, i forgot about it with isleweaver...

[eager dragon]

Do the superboss varient

[sudden cave]

i'll get there

[quiet ruin]

I have a potentially dumb question.

I haven't done too much of druviri beyond what's required (100% up to date with all story quests.) But I was doing some exploration and was listening in on npc flavor text.

Some of them seemed to make comments about the same day every day, things not changing, a comment about how the void makes things real. Basically implying they are aware. I guess.

I had initially been under the impression that the npcs were like.

Literal npcs, barbie dolls in a way.

So are they as real as drax and the others are then?

They dont exist but at the same time, they are real thinking beings because of void shenanigans? Or are they perhaps just a reflection of drifters psyche....

Sorry if this is obvious, im silly.

[sudden cave]

kind of in between all those. idk if they're supposed to have been aware of the loops before the drifter took control, but they look and act like people the same way a movie character looks and acts like a real person. (and considering the void, this is probably less of a defined line and more of a spectrum - thrax came to the origin system during eight claw, but he didn't seem to like it much)

[bright temple]

Somethingsomething conceptual embodiment. IIRC the Void is able to make thoughts and emotions into real things. It’s how the Drifter made Duviri a reality, as originally it was just a story book.

[quiet ruin]

Yeah I just wasn't sure if there was a limit to how real things were i guess ? Damn no wonder the drifter checks in from time to time. Not just for baby king but for everyone

[sudden cave]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

but actually yes

idk what acrithis's deal is (the vendor lady)

[bright temple]

At least some of the residents of Duviri seem to self-aware enough- Thrax, Acrithis. I forget if that applies to all residents of Duviri, however.

[stiff beacon]

Bombastine

Is as well

[quiet ruin]

Yeah I assumed the big ones had some awareness, but I was kind of shocked to see even the insignificant people seemed to as well.

But I guess it makes sense. The drifter was subconsciously influencing it for years and it served as a perfect world to grow up in until it wasn't.

Anything that made the reality weak was probably adjusted to fit better.

[sudden cave]

the named characters, basically. plus kullervo, albrecht, teshin, oraxia, and the drifter, who aren't native

[quiet ruin]

Really need some terrible postcards about visiting druviri

[misty salmon]

"I got my boots wet in the Bleeding Earth."

[sudden cave]

different unrelated question: is there any explanation or handwave as to why the lotus is so worried about the infested escaping in Once Awake when there's, yknow, the entire infested moon of Deimos like three planets away? talk about too little too late

i assume there has to be some kind of blockade quarantine on deimos itself but that never stopped really determined idiots

[quiet ruin]

Demimos got phased out of reality for a bit and only came back when the heart was failing iirc.

I dont remember it existing when once awake was new

Yeah also once awake came out in 2014, deimos was added in 2020

[sudden cave]

i meant in-universe

but "they pulled a lua" counts i guess

although weirdly the wiki just says they had to phase it back in and never mentions who or what phased it out, or when, or how

then again idk that the game does either

i also... can't find the source for that claim

[quiet ruin]

Seems vague, but also albrecht does a lot of stuff without telling anyone so if anyone gets a pass to throw another moon into the void, its him I guess.

I feel like the explanation was probably given at the beginning of the heart of deimos quest, id have to go snoop around and replay though.

[sudden cave]

yeah, seems like there's a single line from the quest diorama at the very beginning

[woven coyote]

necraloid's mail iirc

[sudden cave]

Deimos emerges in Martian orbit, completely overrun by the Infestation
although there's no mention of what or where it emerged from, where it was to begin with, or literally anything else whatsoever (except one similar line from loid, forgot that)

hang on i'm gonna ask my newbie friend if he can see deimos, i'm pretty sure he hasn't done the quest yet

[quiet ruin]

Oh and citrine's lore may have some hints as it mentions that deimos was used as a bio weapon bomb against the sentients or something

[eager dragon]

Not really, more so that they released the infestation on Deimos to act as a counter to Sentients so they don't touch the heart

[frail musk]

“Wish you weren’t here” with the Drifter getting impaled in the background

[quiet ruin]

Didn't phrase that as well as i should have, but yeah that

[quiet ruin]

I died 184573838 times and all I got was this stupid postcard.

[woven coyote]

and later son let the infestation present on deimos into the necralisk

[restive mesa]

Is the techrot an early version of the infested? Because they seem similar

[sudden cave]

basically yeah

[quiet ruin]

It seems to be ground zero yeah

[tall echo]

(Because he was trying to be nice to father)

[frail musk]

This is where the infested come from it’s a grandfather paradox (joking)

[woven coyote]

as far as we can tell what with that enemy from capture missions (the type eleanor took control of) looking closer to typical infested

[tall echo]

Yes

[sudden cave]

the imminent intra-dimensional catastrophe
this doesn't mean what you think it means, loid...

[sudden cave]

ba dum tssh

[tall echo]

Dear void my internet is fighting for its life rn

[quiet ruin]

I think its a really amusing lore tidbit that the internet doesnt really exist in the future.

Aside from anything we pilfered from the past *

[frail musk]

Grandfather paradox means something different whoops

[sudden cave]

yes but it's funnier so dw

[restive mesa]

Hmmm, and could the coda enemies (the infested band groups) be simply taking their time until they have formed fully be the reason we have to hunt them down in next earth rather than a special place in the past?

[sudden cave]

that... is a good question actually

[frail musk]

The orokin probably would’ve looked down on AntiVirus use

[restive mesa]

I mean, I am all for more tailback missions (not really) but having to hunt down an enemy in the future when we created and fought them in the past seem a bit weird

[restive mesa]

Quite possibly, it would be funny if a lore reason for them being still alive is that the orokin just didn’t know how to actually kill them since they never bothered with antiVirus usage

[misty salmon]

arguably the claim on that one is that the coda techrot goes dormant after 1999 because there are no warframes/tenno to track (one of Arthur's lines about tracking our void signature) and then reactivates in future Origin and starts 3d printing new boy bands because it knows we're there.

which does nothing to explain why they didn't pop up immeditely following the Zariman accident, or during the Old War.

or why the Orokin didn't notice a whole random infested stadium floating around in near earth orbits.

[restive mesa]

An explaination could be about them not having mass? Techrot seems to work on infested rules, ergo they both need mass to produce bodies, and since they do not have enough mass yet, they couldn’t release more, also could be a grandfather paradox, if we do not ‘create’ the infested boy band, then it can’t exist in the future to hunt us, and if it doesn’t exists, then the stadium can’t either, for this reason, making a new techrot boy band would mean we are making a whole new time line we’re said techrot existed… also, could work under Jordas rules of not showing the infested parts until the desired victim is close enough, remember it looks mainly like a giant mass of tentacles until we destroy the boom boxes

[restive mesa]

Could also be a lack of spatial travel from the techrot’s part, only being stuck in there until someone decides to go to them

Also could be that the enemies are just a gimmick and the devs didn’t think of a lore reason for this yet and they originally were going to make a mission in hollvalia

[misty salmon]

that could work, they can't effectively get anywhere else and the orokin are (barely) not stupid enough to poke an infested hive that isn't actually doing anything other than filling space with... soundwaves.

[sudden cave]

unlikely, they showed the railjack portion at tennocon for the 1999 preview

[restive mesa]

Huh, then I suppose it is simply the lack of spatial travel and the orokin being not dumb enough to poke around the giant mass of infested stuff

[sudden cave]

i mean, stadiums are in fact noted for their distinct lack of rocket thrusters, in most cases

which raises the question of how it got into near-earth orbit, actually....

[past halo]

I always wondered, is Xaku Prime made by the Entrati or were they made by Ballas

[sudden cave]

do they not have a prime trailer?

let's look

[past halo]

They don't

[sudden cave]

...huh

in that case... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[restive mesa]

Probably entrati as a way to make a stronger xaku?

[sudden cave]

did xaku even exist back then? grandmother says

This Warframe Xaku. Somewhat of a family themselves. A sum of many, a composite of others we lost in the ages that our Entrati family has served here.

all the prime trailers are voiced by ballas, so i suppose that vaguely implies he wasn't the one to create xaku prime... but xaku is three different frames smushed together, so maybe it's the prime versions of those? idk

they also have the entrati design elements

[misty salmon]

one of the radiation wars was actually an Orion Drive?

[restive river]

My theory is Xaku Prime was a recreation of the original, potentially by Albrecht

[misty salmon]

or maybe accidentally an orion drive... in much the same way that high explosives being used to clear whale carcasses from beaches, don't.

[restive river]

Xaku has ties to void tongue and the entrati
So

[native kernel]

so what exactly are the different grineer factions

like kuva, nightwatch, etc

[tall echo]

Just different special forces

[low robin]

How to traumatize Arthur lol

[sudden cave]

loved that convo

nekros is a solid candidate too

warframe is a horror game and we're playing the monster. in this essay i will--

[low robin]

I chose Nidus

[chrome frost]

Grendel. For there is no greater horror I could imagine than having to suffer through the process of being digested whilst remaining conscious, forced to suffer as your flesh and bone turn to sludge used later on to kill your own friends and allies

[sour scroll]

How does the “Mark The Date” thing on the POM-02 work? Is it account based, or does the drifter just have the perfect machine in 1999?

[sudden cave]

if you mean the calendar tasks, those just advance as you complete them. if you mean something else, idk what it is

[sour scroll]

This one specifically

[sudden cave]

oh. yeah, just do the preceding task

it's like nightwave but in order

even though that doesn't make much sense, lore wise

lettie will have a birthday whether or not i kill 250 scaldra with a melee weapon

but whatever

at least they toned it down
the early ones were like "kill 1000 techrot"

[sour scroll]

Alright, thanks

[frail musk]

It’s Entrati tricking the system. At the day and age of 1999 who else is going to have an Archon crystal?

Or forma?

Or bps for advanced tech?

Or advanced tech?

I got a question for the archivists, maybe this is the Indifference meddling but how are Eximus in 1999?

[humble sierra]

Scaldra supersoldiers / Techrot evolutions 🤷‍♂️

[sly pagoda]

Gameplay

I think in some cases we just need to see things like an eximus unit as gameplay

[sudden cave]

possibly you could handwave it with entrati but... yeah the jade light eximus especially are kind of a plot hole

[misty salmon]

the Jade Light ones don't make a lot of sense (and can jump in a helminth), but the rest don't seem to have a lot of lore specifying what they are anyway.

[sudden cave]

i forget the source but i think the canon explanation is tech for the corpus, tech + specialized gene molds for the grineer, and mutations/hybridized tech for the infested

but it's not void tech or anything iirc, just special gear/equipment/weapons

[night prairie]

Maybe he did something to trick the program into always giving stuff to the Drifter? Maybe he is the one behind the gifts and has to masquerade as a giveaway/free reward? Maybe the second one

I don't know why I even thought so much into this in the first place lol

[sudden cave]

for some reason i completely missed that you meant in-universe and thought you wanted to know the mechanic 🤦

but genuinely i think it's non-diegetic. like meph said, who's gonna have an archon shard to hand out? and why would entrati care how many scaldra you kill? plus the fact that time doesn't freeze if you don't do the things (oh, how i wish it worked like that irl)

[humble sierra]

Yeah my guess is it's "Over the season, Drifter did these things and found these resources/upgrades in Scaldra caches" or something

[sudden cave]

more or less, yeah. same way bird 3 has an archon shard for sale even though he has no way of getting one in-universe

but cavia standing is more useful and easier to get than the veilbreaker currency, so

[misty salmon]

Albrect's labs seem to have a bunch of them in storage, bird could get one from there. Not sure where Albrecht got them from.

[sudden cave]

spoils of war, maybe?

[humble sierra]

I think there might be implications he's gone to Tau before?

[sudden cave]

i think there were archons in the old war, weren't there? it's just the warframe hybrids that are new

[green beacon]

I got a question about orbiters!?
The pods that you fly to missions or relays does that have a special name like the orbiter nav pod or something along the lines, or is it still called orbiter

[humble sierra]

Those are the Landing Crafts

Basically everything above the ramp (so Market, Navigation, Codex, etc.) is the Landing Craft, everything below is the rest of the Orbiter

[green beacon]

Ahhh, I wonder in the future if we get to see more of the orbiter outside of the cave? at drifters camp, (spoilers, for you nosey people)

[tall echo]

There's concept art showing the entire thing

[green beacon]

I know, it’d make sense for it to look like that, due to the operator pod using so much energy, it’d need that space to store all the power

[tall echo]

Where are you getting the part about the chair using energy from

[humble sierra]

Yeah if anything the Operator is the energy source-- for the chair/transference link, at least

Also you can no-clip into the Drifter camp and can actually see the full Orbiter underwater

[green beacon]

Still though, the ship can travel fast through space so it would still need a lot of power for the thrusters

[tall echo]

There's this thing called the void, it's used to power pretty much everything

[lilac aspen]

Also even if it didn’t power it
We’re in a universe where the ship’s life support functions is Helminth

We could just have some funny fusion core or something if we aren’t void powering it

[sly pagoda]

So the liset is what id call the only canon landing craft since it interfaces with the orbiter dock. Though I hold a theory that the orbiter when fully assembled in space has a small craft bay elsewhere too for all our other landing craft.

[misty salmon]

The orbiter probably has its own power source, as it's fully capable of independent (Ordis directed) actions without the Tenno on board, or even in the system (hello Drifter... and yes I know that's "in a cave" but we didn't leave it there when we went out, so it had to get there somehow.)

[sly pagoda]

I presume this is what we are seeing in the cave.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xz2l1O

that animation was apparently from DevStream 51

[humble sierra]

From the Codex

[prisma blaze]

Hii hii this may sound very random but~

I'm no warframe lore expert but I wanted to ask a few questions!!

1- How old are the operators, in human years? The wiki says children, but judging by their appearance.. err.. 14 to 17 year olds? Can someone confirm or deny this LMAO

2- Can the operators canonically use different warframes, or are they supposedly only bound to one?

[pallid spoke]

IIRC, we don't know the Operator's exact age. But it is assumed they are teenagers.

And as far as I know, a Tenno is not bound to a specific Warframe, they can freely switch between them.

(Except Rell, but he did that by choice)

[pallid spoke]

Oh wait, I forgot that the content warning pop-up when starting The New War calls them teenagers, so it's confirmed.

[prisma blaze]

OKay! Since operators can use any frames then, this means they are specifically gender-locked either in lore, right? As in, male operator can use female-coded frame, and vice-versa?

(can you tell I don't know warframe lore oml)

[lean garden]

male ops can use female frames yes

[prisma blaze]

Nice!

This diagram is killing me something about it is funny (lighthearted) I love it

[sudden bronze]

guys which quest should i do after the new war? i saw a couple streamers played jade shadows next but the game's quest tracker thingy is recommending angels of the zariman

[pallid spoke]

Whispers in the Walls is your next primary main story quest.

You will have to do those other quests at some point though to unlock things.

[tall echo]

Whatever you want to do tbh

[humble sierra]

The game will actually give you a preset Operator of the opposite gender of the Warframe you're playing as within The Second Dream.

[pallid spoke]

New War unlocks so many quests at once that it confused the new player guidance system

[sudden bronze]

is angels of the zariman more like a side quest?

[prisma blaze]

That's so cool actually omg I didn't notice that haha

[tall echo]

It's very lore-relevant

[humble sierra]

Whispers in the Walls is the only thing with a direct sequel, so far, but presumably Angels and Jade Shadows will get follow ups at some point

[pallid spoke]

For me every time it's given a male Operator regardless of the frame I was using playing it on different accounts.

[sudden cave]

new war -> duviri paradox -> veilbreaker -> angels -> whispers -> lotus eaters -> 1999 imo
jade shadows isn't connected to any of that so it doesn't matter when you do it, but before angels works well so you don't forget the details of the other plots

[sudden bronze]

oh right veilbreaker too, forgot about that one

[pallid spoke]

But it shows the default Operator as being female until you get to the customization screen, where it then suddenly changes to male. Visual bug.

[humble sierra]

If you play Duviri Paradox before Second Dream, it gives you a male Drifter as a default, so your Operator will then look like a younger version of your Drifter

[sudden cave]

i think veilbreaker is technically a side quest (so are angels and jade iirc), but that's where they fit best as a sort of breather episode after the new war

[pallid spoke]

I'm talking about occasions where I did Second Dream before Duviri.

[humble sierra]

Veilbreaker is classified as a side quest, but the others are classified as Story Quests, IIRC

At least, Jade Shadows certainly was on launch

[sudden cave]

imo duviri should be locked until after tnw, because doing it the other way around utterly ruins the adult-operator face reveal twist. i will die on this hill

[sudden cave]

oh yeah, i forgot they're in categories now. i suppose what i mean is they aren't main story quests, iirc. you don't have to do them before 1999

[humble sierra]

Yeah, right now there's no pre-requisites

[humble sierra]

Yeah, tbh they should just put the Circuit and/or Kullervo as its own thing, since new players would greatly benefit from that

[sudden cave]

yes! exactly! duviri is great for getting to try new things, so it's fantastic for new players, but to access it you have to basically ruin a huge spoiler for yourself and then you're not going to remember the relevant stuff when it comes around in tnw
and now it's locked behind uranus but accessible before the second dream, so it's the worst of both options

[pallid spoke]

I agree.

[humble sierra]

For real! I found it hilarious they moved it later than Vor's Prize for the sake of not confusing players, only to still keep it before any actual story quests (you can do it before even Natah, I think)

[pallid spoke]

It completely ruins the surprise of the second act, New War feels very different when you don't know who the Drifter is.

The only people who really got to experience that as it was intended were the people who played it before Duviri was added.

[sudden cave]

they pushed it back a couple times i think, successively further each time. they just... stopped too soon

[humble sierra]

Yeah, I'd love to have gone into the game thinking "Oh my god, Ballas just stabbed me? Oh, who's this guy I'm playing as? Oh my gosh, it's me but older! Ballas has been in control for over a decade? Wait, I'm on Fortuna, why aren't the Ventkids also older?" and whatnot

[tall echo]

I get that they want more early content for new players but duviri is not the way

[humble sierra]

It doesn't help that Duviri itself is so different from the main game

Like I said though, the circuit, however, is great for New Players because it lets them get tedious Warframes without RNG, and also lets them experiment with different Warframes and weapons. Maybe not in the most accurate way thanks to Decrees, but still

[sudden cave]

agreed, i played it when it came out and i was STUNNED when the drifter took off their helmet... and then i watched a streamer play it and he had made his drifter look totally different from his operator (one was masc, one was femme), and his reaction was this underwhelming "huh?"

[pallid spoke]

Unfortunately, I played it at launch when the Drifter auto-generation was broken.

My dude was bald.

[tall echo]

Tennobama

[sudden cave]

aww, that sucks, i'm sorry

[pallid spoke]

It was minor in the grand scheme of things, I still got the impression they were going for.

I was just confused as to why he was bald.

[sudden cave]

anyway the point is the lore is confusing enough without the default quest order also encouraging continuity errors

[sudden cave]

his father went bald young too 🤣

[tall echo]

And then add overconfident misinformed people trying to explain the lore into the mix

[sudden cave]

yes, well, only one of those is something DE can do anything about, lol

[pallid spoke]

I technically could have fixed it, but I didn't notice the hologram next to the chair that lets you customize your Drifter during the quest.

Either that or it wasn't added yet.

[sudden cave]

i hope with the operator rework we'll get a "match drifter/operator" button (like the "copy warframe colors" button)

it's tough to do it manually in a way that looks okay

also a hassle

[tall echo]

It's tough to do automatically too

The sheer amount of tennobamas during tnw release is proof

[pallid spoke]

Wasn't that just because the generator was broken and not copying certain things like hair and secondary face?

It's pretty decent now.

[sudden cave]

they fixed that tho. i liked my tnw drifter spawn, but then i played with it and now i can't fix it, rip

[tall echo]

Mine had the settings copied 1 to 1 aside from being bald

So I guess canonically my tenno will grow up to be a reincarnation of obama

[pallid spoke]

Well I guess then that's just the problem of not liking how your adult Operator looks when using the same face numbers.

[tall echo]

I liked it bc it was really funny

[pallid spoke]

I personally don't like most male drifter face combos, at least without facial hair.

Once they added facial hair I switched to Drifter full-time.

[humble sierra]

I hate how some masks remove facial hair though

Especially considering some facial hair is for plat too

[pallid spoke]

I don't use a hood on mine so, not an issue for me.

[tall echo]

(All but one)

[sudden cave]

probably a lot of people will end up tweaking their operators with the rework. i'm also hoping they let you have whatever style body with any face, because it's annoying that if i want a flat chest i have to have a face someone hit with a brick

[humble sierra]

I also want ALL cosmetics to be interchangeable.

Especially the Mother's Mask

[pallid spoke]

That made me chuckle more than it should've.

[tall echo]

Ok that's a bit of work to achieve

[humble sierra]

Not a priority of course

[humble sierra]

Only so that I can make my Drifter Batman and my Operator Robin

[sudden cave]

(okay that's a cardinal but the emoji thing didn't have a robin)

[restive mesa]

Which I did, I loved how it all went on, my younger brother is starting to play, I have been keeping him away from duviri until second war… is that probably stunting his ability to obtain stuff early on? Yes… do I care for that and not the lore? Not at all!

He still has the mission unlocked to do, even tho he is just on Jupiter

[restive mesa]

Ah, sounds good, I have my operator suffer from void scars (or that is what I call the customization stuff) while my drifter is mostly unmarred, just white haired and looking dead inside

[pastel prairie]

Join my clash royale clan #G2QCUU9Q

[radiant crown]

Its so funny the fact that the drifter is in 1999 getting freaky whit the protoframes and the operator is on a battle field

[proper barn]

To be fair drifter is also a therapist and also talks through their own trauma

From duvuri In 1999 but shhhhh

[radiant crown]

One is healing the other is reliving it

[past halo]

They need the companionship

[sly pagoda]

I mean the drifter had their own trauma

[past halo]

So since Caliban Prime is officially a thing do the Prime Sentients not get obliterated in the Void like their normal cousins

[inland shale]

Maybe the primes evolved an immunity to it?

[proper barn]

Why would be that how that worked?

[proper barn]

I just wanna know why having a prime would make them immune?

[past halo]

I think because of their hybrid traits instead of their pure-Tau cousins they have the immunity to the destructive properties of the Void

[inland shale]

You get prime parts from the void so we know prime stuff is able to survive in the void. That's why I said it.

[proper barn]

Why? And how?

[proper barn]

That's not true.

[inland shale]

Void relics exist in the void.

We get prime parts from void relics. Ie the void.

[past halo]

The Void is dangerous to the Sentients because it nullifies their adaptive abilities and replication

[silk atlas]

Yeah parts and Relics being the key thing

[past halo]

Though that gives me another thought, did the Prime Sentients exist before or during Caliban Prime's production?

[silk atlas]

I'm not saying someone being split into parts and then reassembled as having "survived"

[proper barn]

@inland shale @past halo okay prime relics are just Aya in a box what is Aya you say? Well Aya is memory made manifest. Relics are when a bunch of memories pushed together and when you open them one of the memories is made manifest.

That's not the part ever being in the Void.

[inland shale]

I'm not saying the prime stuff survives the void. Extended exposure breaks down anything. But apparently the prime parts had to have some resistance I guess is a better word. And if that's the case sentients could theoretically further adapt that. But again I suppose it'd still be limited.

[past halo]

Sentients are heavily weak to the Void. And Caliban probably has the same weakness if we're going by lore accuracy, albeit at a heavily reduced type of his Warframe hybridization. And Caliban Prime may be straight-up immune to the dangers of the Void within his Sentient parts, and that's why I asked if his Prime Sentients have that same immunity

[inland shale]

I guess wait for further explanation when the old peace comes out? To much is still in the air to really say yes or no.

[past halo]

We can only guess

[inland shale]

Exactly.

But that is a fair question. Do Warframes have an inherent immunity or resistance to the void? They exist in duviri which is a place that manifests in the void. Then there's how much Warframes get exposed to the void. I'm just thinking on that now. Food for thought.

[past halo]

Then we get to Mr. Demon Skeleton themself, Xaku

[inland shale]

Ah the Warframe Frankensteins monster himself.

The orokin really had no chill man. Never why always why not? The chilliest was Albrecht and even he's a far cry from sane.

[past halo]

Then again he is beefing with a floating, talking brick wall

[inland shale]

To be fair, we made a deal with it. Like we are beholden to that wall to some extent. But we've an excuse, we were a kid. Albrecht was just like, you know those stories about something in the void when you scream or look? Yeah I'm going to prove that right or wrong.

[past halo]

And boy oh boy did he prove something

[inland shale]

Yeah then instead of just locking away the fingers he's just like let me make a golden age of void tech based on this Eldritch horror. Yeah brilliant mind.

[past halo]

Yep

[sly pagoda]

My take is void relics are things the Orokin developed to store crap in that are bigger on the inside. Probably at one time they would have just used a key.

and probably back at that one time they could select what was removed, Today we are brute forcing the combo so we do not know what we will get.

[past halo]

Requiem relics are a whole different can of worms

[inland shale]

The void relics are like pockets but more I consider them like mini gates into the void. Which is why void fragments unlock it. As to requiem ones. If your operator drinks the kuva at the end of second dream you connect to the indifference. So kuva even has something to do with the void. Which is what requiem relics have to do with

[misty salmon]

Nah, the thing at the end of second dream with a connection to the Void is the Tenno. Kuva long predated any of the Orokin Void experiments.

[inland shale]

Has anyone actually asked the devs about that?

[humble sierra]

Pretty sure Caliban Prime is also coming out before the Old Peace too

[inland shale]

They'll probably set up the prime drop with caliban before the old peace but the story itself has caliban I it they already showed that.

In it**

[restive river]

Caliban Prime is the next Prime
He will come before the Old Peace

[past halo]

And yet I still wonder if Caliban Prime and his Prime Sentients are fully immune to the dangerous Void effects that would normally screw them over

[stray oracle]

so eleanor asked me about my parents
and i wanna visit arthur and eleanor's parents for the solstice now

[restive river]

Why would they be???

[past halo]

As I said, the Void screws with their adaptation and regeneration. And since Caliban Prime and his minions have Orokin tech installed that makes them fully immune to the Void's disastrous effects

[restive river]

No, it doesn’t…

The sentients are orokin tech
Why would orokin tech make them fully immune anyway?

[restive river]

(Xaku’s not a he)

[past halo]

Sentients were built wit the flaw that makes them vulnerable to the Void, right? The Prime Sentients might have been modified with extra resistance to it considering that for some reason the normal versions gladly followed Caliban through Duviri, the Labs, and other Void-heavy places

[restive river]

What?
What Prime sentients? Caliban Prime’s? He isn’t more special than base Caliban, just more gold
Nor is there any orokin tech that just. Makes sentients immune to void damage

The void weakness is built in, that includes Prime Caliban

[misty salmon]

I'd expect there to be just enough void shielding that the Tenno's void powers don't dissolve Caliban on transference, and no more, because the Orokin wouldn't want the Sentients to work out a way to repair their own intentionally designed flaw.

how much "just enough" is, is an exercise left to the imagination.

[restive river]

I mean all the frames are void powered by the heart

That’s more of a worry than transference

[misty salmon]

or that yeah, whichever way the void energy is getting to the frame from the heart (either directly or mediated through the tenno)

we don't have a frame that devours itself to do things yet do we? Health replacing energy.

[restive river]

The tenno don’t output void energy into the frame

[restive river]

Garuda is the closest ig
Sacrificing health for energy

Also in-universe Warframes don’t have a limit to their energy
They are powered by the heart and that’s about it

[lean garden]

Scrolling through this whole conversation, are we just uh, pretending that Caliban base's own summons arent also having the same treatment as their prime counterparts?

[lean garden]

My own imagination says that whatever Caliban has in terms of not getting cooked by void energies might be similar to what the amalgams have going on

but obviously thats just speculation at best

[restive river]

I mean technically he would be closer to an Amalgam, it’s just he predates them by a lot

[lean garden]

Thats my thought process; Unrelated to the amalgams, but under the same principle

[lean garden]

Like

The Prime Sentients might have been modified with extra resistance to it considering that for some reason the normal versions gladly followed Caliban through Duviri, the Labs, and other Void-heavy places
Just seems to gloss over the fact that its just arbitrarily shoving "void resistence for the prime" when the base does the same thing

[restive river]

Yup!

[trim kettle]

how sentient were the warframes during prime orokin? in the current age theyre mindless husks, but all the lore entires mention warframes acting on their own
did their minds decay over time?

[brittle siren]

Depend on Ballas. First gen he let Warframe to maintain their mind but it backfired

[lean garden]

Well, to be clear, the lore entries you refer to are the Leverians yes? In that case almost none of them are actually "sentient" save for maybe one or two

[brittle siren]

More than 2, Jade, Umbra, Stalker, Lavos, Yareli, even Mirage

Forgot Dante too

[lean garden]

my brother in void, Im specifically referring to the Leverians

[brittle siren]

Ah those frame

[strange plinth]

the difference between warframe and tenno is not known to a majority of those telling the stories
drusus leverian included

[brittle siren]

Nezha and Voruna seem sentient

[normal mountain]

Don't think Yareli had a mind of her own
Also, you forgot Kullervo too

[brittle siren]

Yareli did have mind of her own since she is the one saving those kid in the comic

[strange plinth]

don't know if that's frame-yareli or tenno-yareli tho

[normal mountain]

Doesn't say she did
Also, she could have been Operated

[brittle siren]

I think Ballas purposely make all of the ppl he hate to retaining their sentient

Up to this day ofc

[normal mountain]

...wouldn't put it past him, but we also can't just assume that

[brittle siren]

Also knowing Ballas, he wouldn't make a rebel frame

[lean garden]

Voruna is absolutely not sentient in her leverian

she finds her own damn operator in her leverian LMAO

[brittle siren]

Oh yeah forgot that her OP is being transference

So maybe only Nezha is kinda sentient but all of his story is myth at this point

Lavos is def sentient

[lean garden]

Heavy stretch, this is in the dying embers of the orokin, its far more likely that Nezha was tenno controlled

[brittle siren]

Yeah

[lean garden]

What could a Warframe, a lethal specialist warrior, possibly have in common with a child?

Especially given this line

[brittle siren]

Btw Styanax is also controlled by Tenno too right?

[lean garden]

yes

[brittle siren]

Which planet that Styanax land in btw?

Do we have any info about that

[normal mountain]

Here's a fun food for thought:
Was Revenant a Tenno-operated Warframe?

...actually, I hope not
Poor child doesn't need Eidolon madness on top of everything else

[lean garden]

given the timeframe, I'd say its a very good chance

[brittle siren]

Tbh even if he has, Lotus would pull the child out of there anyway

[normal mountain]

True, true

[brittle siren]

Though strange that we don't have any trace of the "warden" frame left

Is he also have the same fate like Excal Prime?

DE make prime version as a Conceptual Embodiment is neat but I need more "Warden" Frame lore

[normal mountain]

More likely, the Warden was either one of a kind, or just fell into disuse

[brittle siren]

Though if Unum use him as the defense line, he must be as strong as Gara

My crack theory: what if Warden is just a clone of Unum spawn from her wall flesh

[normal mountain]

Unlikely, but...
actually I have no clue how to finish that

[trim kettle]

The warden? Like kullervos warden?

[brittle siren]

Or perhaps someone willingly to let Unum take over their body, to become Warden

[brittle siren]

No the pre-eidolon Revenant

Before him falling into the embrace of Eidolon tentacles

[normal mountain]

If that were the case, I'd expect the Warden to have better sense than to touch the Eidolon tendril

[brittle siren]

I dont think he would purposely touch it though. And even if he did, both Unum and him couldn't know that would happen

(Assume that Unum didn't check the future before sending him)

[trim kettle]

Kullervo also has lore of him specifically acting on his own against orokin too (unsure of source, just got it from wiki)

[brittle siren]

Kullervo retained all of his mind after become a warframe

[normal mountain]

He did purposely touch it though
Time after time, he cut the tendril down
But then one day he got curious

[strange plinth]

yeah he's one of the explicit exceptions
has his whole 'seven crimes of kullervo' thing in the arena

[normal mountain]

And touched the stupid tendril

[trim kettle]

How would prime revenant work lorewise?

Post-eidolon powers but not the warden

[strange plinth]

"what fatherless aberration is this?" to quote ballas in his prime trailer
aka. showed up for fun
implied the unum CE'd him or something

[normal mountain]

LOL
He doesn't
Ballas literally complains about him existing in his Prime trailer

[brittle siren]

I mean I would touch them too

For Science

[trim kettle]

Also

[brittle siren]

The Void

[trim kettle]

Unum is flesh thinkin tower right?

[brittle siren]

Yes

[strange plinth]

yea, the one protecting cetus and talking to the quills

[brittle siren]

Whispering to be precise

Oh wait

[trim kettle]

Is it possible it could be some grand scale warframe-like entity?

Idr if theres lore on its origin

[strange plinth]

not really, the towers aren't infested tmk

[brittle siren]

Whispering in the walls before Deimos confirmed

[trim kettle]

But yet it has regrowing flesh

[brittle siren]

Unum is a strange case since she have kuva that can mind control animal and connect with their mind

[trim kettle]

And the same kind of "not flesh" on the outside

[brittle siren]

Not everything that can heal back is Infested.

Tbh if that the case, Unum would already died due to multiple explosions cuz Infested is weak to heat and blast

[lean garden]

Kullervo specifically blongs to a generation of warframes that pre-dates the tenno being used in the warframe project

he's not exactly comparable to the standard post-tenno frames we have, but he is also a very useful demonstration of warframes going loco

[normal mountain]

Oh yeah
Speaking of Warframes going loco,
I'm fairly certain we can add Oraxia to the sentient warframes list

Depending I guess on whether Albrecht took a Tenno Operator with him to Duviri
and left them behind

...by that logic, Protea might not be Tenno controlled either

[trim kettle]

I mean, protea served parvos granum right! Forget the lore in that quest

[normal mountain]

Ye

[strange plinth]

duviri n the granum void are different tho
that protea is just a specter at that point
oraxia seems(?) to be the actual frame

[lean garden]

well yes, but thats not an indication if she's tenno controlled or not prior to the sabotage

because Parvos and Ballas worked on protea, parvos giving ballas the blueprints and ballas giving parvos the warframe

[normal mountain]

Just a specter now, but Parvos seemed to imply that was the original Protea
And that the constant use of her powers turned her into a specter

[lean garden]

so like its very possible that protea had an operator, but when protea burned herself out and turned into a specter, the tenno was just disconnected

[trim kettle]

Yeah, to me that seems like a case of mind burnout

Like the other formerly sentient frames we control now

[brittle siren]

I dont think he could go into the void and take 1 pod out and let that Tenno operate Oraxia

Also Wally called Oraxia Albrect's pet

He is evil but not Ballas kind

[trim kettle]

Also, does the foundry draw from the helminth to create warframes?

[strange plinth]

maybe
but we are usually giving it infested material in the recipe anyway

[brittle siren]

though since the foundry can just copy anything, I think it just copy the whole frame without helminth help

[normal mountain]

Fair point
Also, given the precedence with Dante, it's more than likely that Oraxia had a brain

[brittle siren]

I would like DE to rework the frame crafting into Helminth full time job so I could see it spit out my frame

[humble sierra]

I believe the credits you use for crafting are implied to be for Ordis to buy any additional materials

[brittle siren]

since credit is used for fusion and transmutation of Mods, I think it kinda the same for crafting

It like Mora in Genshin is use as a catalyst for crafting too

[proper barn]

Not true.

Have you seen tower flesh? It's ediable its oily. Its not infested at all. @trim kettle

[trim kettle]

As the other guy said, not everythin that regrows is infested

[proper barn]

It can recreate infested flesh. The helminth maintains our frames though.

Make sure they don't have bullet holes and stuff like that.

But yeah the tower flesh is very whale like.

[north heart]

Hi new here, been playing since 2016.... anyone think DE will circle back to Alad V being an Orokin?

[proper barn]

He's not a Orokin. His ancestors where under the orokin. Hunhow says a lot of people are Orokin

Cuz he sees or saw everything in the origin system as orokin.

Also your pfp looks ai I hope it's not.

[north heart]

so "Orokin called Alad" was just saying apart of the empire

[proper barn]

Probably. Or one of alads ancestors was a Orokin.

Which isn't too wild of a idea.

[north heart]

honestly it is because made a laugh with a "kobold businessmen/artificer" for a dnd thing

Although cheers for reminding me to change it

[lean garden]

Real

[chrome frost]

the acolytes also refer to alad as an orokin. His skin is blue. For all we know he might as well be one of the elites who simply used continuity to move to a different body and defect to corpus during the fall of the orokin

[lean garden]

alads... skin... blue?

This is blue?

[chrome frost]

might be a stretch but to me it looked light blue during the bossfight

[pallid spoke]

His skin isn't blue. The lighting in his transmissions just make it look blue.

[chrome frost]

oh ok then

[violet storm]

also post infestation alad

Has blue scarring in his face

[stray herald]

aren't those purple scars?

[chrome frost]

yes

[stray herald]

colourblindness be like

[jade abyss]

Guys, i unlocked Umbra

it was hell of a ride

[stiff beacon]

<that ride ain't over>

[void trench]

the VA for that gold AI face npc who is he i know that accent from somewhere but i dont know if i know the actor or if its just due to what place he is from

[chrome frost]

the Cephalon youre referring to is named Drusus and he is voiced Martin Oldfield

[void trench]

i think i might have seen him before but its prob more about his accent

[restive river]

(Cephalons aren’t AI)

[silk atlas]

All-natural intelligence harvested from the totally willing people of the Orokin empire!

[digital grail]

Yeah ani not ai

[graceful sand]

cephalon suda is peak thats what they are

[eager dragon]

Yes, Dateable Suda when DE?

[restive river]

Suda is peak, real

[graceful sand]

very real 🙏

[untold acorn]

Did hunhow turn into some nice guy to the tenno / operators because of what happened in his incident

[restive river]

No
He’s getting “friendlier” as of Jade shadows though

[untold acorn]

Ah

[restive river]

New war was the first time we work with him

[untold acorn]

He's like a slow alllie

As in

[restive river]

We’ll save grandpa from being racist one day

[untold acorn]

I haven't complete all the quest so I'll soon found out rlly

[restive river]

:)

[untold acorn]

I js finish the jade shadow

Easiest quest I've ever done

[restive river]

It wasn’t easy emotionally

[dire mountain]

He still doesnt love the tenno but he's absolutely mellowed out considering the Drifter put their very mortal neck on the line to save his daughter.

He's mellowed to the point he told Stalker to put away his grudges and just ask the Tenno for help

[normal mountain]

All-natural Intelligence

[sly pagoda]

Soylent Computing.

[lilac aspen]

Hunhow basically realized he messed up.

Lost his son
Lost his daughter
Stuck in the ocean
Slowly dying alone
All because of his hatred

He basically giving Stalker a heads up that if he keeps sticking to trying to get revenge, it will inevitably ruin his life beyond any hopes of repair.

[brittle siren]

And we have Sentient is pure AI that can adapt

[brittle siren]

also do you guys think that "the teacher" quest would have some hint to Old Peace/Tau?

[blissful merlin]

Nah especially since it’s placed like right after Vors prize. I’m not expecting any hints or lore drops for Tau/the old peace during that quest. Would be cool though

[brittle siren]

It's Tenshin though, he may throw in sth

[blissful merlin]

True but also doubting it. Like I said, would be cool thou if we got some hints

[silk atlas]

You wouldn't even know what the Sentients are by that point, let along Tau

[woven coyote]

or even what you are

[brittle siren]

It could be sth like "remember the crime that you have cause? On the promised distant land?" or sth like that

Teshin at the beginning kinda dislike us even just for a bit

[tall echo]

Why tho

[brittle siren]

idk? I'm not DE

I'm merely speculating

[tall echo]

Ok but like from a general writing perspective

Why would he say that

So early

[restive river]

It’s an early quest

Like Vor’s Prize early

[blissful merlin]

Yea I don’t see any teasers like that happening for that quest

[brittle siren]

fair point
though DE did make Duviri after Vor Prize too

[restive river]

Duviri was made to be played at any point, to be a confusing paradox
The Teacher fits Teshin into the lore and teaches about modding
I don’t think they’re the same

They did expand on the infestation in once awake iirc before 1999 came out and that could be seen as a nod to that, but it wasn’t really about 1999

Just
Infested predates Orokin

If we get anything it’ll be small, likely to expand on what’s known, providing maybe a small amount of clarity needed

[misty salmon]

giving Teshin a proper introduction would be nice

[brittle siren]

yeah that what I meant: a little hint

also it's funny that ppl think Old Peace is Natah's memory 😭

she is not even there in the demo (I mean in the past scene)

[misty salmon]

Natah, a mimic, secretly in every scene in the demo, quietly giggling.

[brittle siren]

she probably can extract our memory, which also not really add up, since if so, why she bother connecting with our brain if she already saw it

[brittle siren]

Imagine she is the excal prime

[misty salmon]

I wouldn't see that twist coming

[brittle siren]

nah it's just a joke

though I doubt Hunhow would put her in the academy

[misty salmon]

fairly certain all of this is :P

[brittle siren]

also she said that the Archon trained her in Tau

so she probably in one of the giant planet during treaty

could be a chance to meet the Archon pre-New War

[misty salmon]

old peace is definitely going to be an interesting lore drop, regardless of what version of not enough DE decides to put into it.

[brittle siren]

though ppl forgot that Devil triad also connected with Old Peace, somehow

Old Peace and Tau 2026 is too big that they overshadowed Devil Triad

[eager dragon]

I imagine the Devil's Triad will happen during the rest of the quest

[misty salmon]

There was suggestion that the Devil Triad were an Albrecht sidestory of some sort. I'm not clear if there was a direct connection to Tau, but maybe they explain why he is rumoured to have nipped off to Tau all of a sudden and give us a reason to start memory diving.

[eager dragon]

Just like WitW was mostly unconnected to 1999, other than the small snippet we got to see.

[brittle siren]

Iirc, in Tennocon they said Devil Triad will be one of the chapter in the grand Tau quest

[humble sierra]

44:20

"This is a chapter, it's perhaps an... Entrati side-story."

https://youtu.be/is_LARCwONs?feature=shared

[blissful merlin]

Yea, it’ll be part of this huge update but won’t be the main story. We’ll have the flashbacks of tau plus the devils triad. So it seems both operator and drifter will be busy during that time lmao

[swift sentinel]

Reb goes into the relationship between Old Peace and Devils triad at this point in this interview.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MIzxaroV78&t=1486s

[lean garden]

I am too lackadaisical to watch, whats the main key points? that its a side albrecht story?

[swift sentinel]

My understanding is that it's going to give context to Entati's involvement in the Tau arc.

Reb also makes it sound like it won't unlock until after The Old Peace.

Essentially, the Operator will learn things in The Old Peace, and Devil's Triad will give context for the consequences in the present, but separately from the Operators story.

[brittle siren]

😭

Him: it's Lotus memory
Also him: What Natah gonna do with it 😭

[tall echo]

That no 18 emoji in their name clearly means iq

[strong compass]

Hey, had a question, what are somatic markings on our operator customization, lorewise, is it some tool for helping with transference? and the black is it some kind of scarring, or it's free to interpret as we wish

[eager dragon]

Don't think we know

Could be wrong though

[brittle siren]

Imo it probably side effect when the Tenno expose to the void. Holdfast crew "ghost" also have these mark

[strong compass]

it does look alike but, not... alive... enough if you get what i mean

[tall echo]

Somatics are transference tech, the other stuff is void scarring

[north jolt]

I hate that I had conversations of this exact nature before

[proper crow]

How to tell me you're a Warframe noob without saying you are a Warframe noob

Isn't the name natah used all the way back in second dream?

It's used in the quest by Grandpa himself

[brittle siren]

Before that iirc, in Natah quest

[eager dragon]

Yes, which can be observed from the subtle naming convention of the quest, titled "Natah", which implies an easily missed connection about the focus of this quest, a character who's name also coinscides to be Natah.

[worldly nimbus]

Hey, quick question, any Orokin text nerds know what this POM-2 desktop background says?

[jade abyss]

Clem!

[restive river]

WHAT 😭

[strange turtle]

So how have they responded to the revelation of Lotus being Natah

[violet storm]

That’s a very stupid question “What’s Natah gotta do with it?”

[wise onyx]

Something has been in my mind ever since the gameplay demo of The Old Peace. Warframes, including primes as far as I know, are basically robots. Robots don't need air to breathe. So the Sentient choking out Excalibur Prime shouldn't have put the Operator in any danger. Plus, even if warframes do need air to breathe, if Excalibur Prime got choked out, it wouldn't have affected the Operator either. Sure that would be bad for the warframe, but the Operator wouldn't have needed to stab the Sentient. Unless I'm missing something, the Operator was never in any danger at all during that fight. Does anyone else have any takes on this?

[analog glade]

Warframes are biomechanical hybrids thanks to the infestation. They still do need to breath. IMO When we transfer in we still have the urge to do regular bodily functions, so being chocked out would still be a problem.

[tall echo]

1. Warframes are humans or otherwise alive and need air
2. It's extremely likely that during transference, an operator experiences everything that happens to the frame

[analog glade]

Also: Survival, We use air pods.

[wise onyx]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you're both saying that due to Transference, the Operator feels what the warframe feels, so if the warframe is being choked, the Operator will feel the sensation of being choked as well even though they aren't actually being choked.

[silk atlas]

"robots"
Nope. Flesh and blood creatures. Humans infected with Helminth strain of Infested.

[tall echo]

Most likely yes

[tall echo]

(Or copies made only out of still organic infestation)

[analog glade]

A good indicator of this is the sacrifice quest, as through the memory of Umbra scenes.

[wise onyx]

That reminds me, the Operator still thinks they were the one who killed Issah (I may have spelled that wrong), and The Man in The Wall said that's a good thing. I'm still wondering if anything will come of that tidbit.

[tall echo]

Unclear if they still think that

[wise onyx]

I know they're infested with the Helminth, but considering how they're made of mostly electronic parts (systems, neuroptics, etc.), I thought they were mostly robotic with a little flesh. It seems I was wrong. Lol

[tall echo]

Who's saying those are referring to electronics?

[analog glade]

our veins are still a system, same with the nerves, a nervous system.

The system of a warframe could refer to how the infested parts take on the void powers and channel them.

Chassis the body, and Neuropics the senses; cause they obviously have different sense organs on top of their old human ones.

[silk atlas]

That's just gameplay, and it's not like they couldn't also have cybernetics

[brazen seal]

[wise onyx]

The component parts of the blueprints require electronic parts like control modules, neural sensors, circuits, etc., so it seems like warframes are a techno-organic hybrid. But that may be me overthinking things. Maybe those resources are needed just to give players something to farm to build a warframe (basically a game being a game) and aren't meant to reflect what they're being used to build.

[wise onyx]

That math maths.

[wise onyx]

Good point.

[tall echo]

Well the technocyte is called that for a reason

It's a technofungus

[tall echo]

But yeah it's 50/50 between lore and gameplay with the resources

[silk atlas]

You are. We're just replicating the Warframes. The "originals" that the blueprints we get are copied from still had to be made with a human being

[wise onyx]

For a long while, I thought those pods were specifically atmosphere pods instead of air pods. I got this from how they're referred to as "life support" instead of "air" or "O2" (but that could be me overthinking it), and I thought that when Lotus says that the enemy has cut off life support, it means that they've basically started venting the atmosphere of the ship, so it's like you're in space. You take damage when you run out of life support just like you take damage when you break the glass on Corpus ships and when you start and end a mission on Eris. I figured you took damage from the depressurization and the life support pods "give" atmosphere. I might be wrong, though.

[tall echo]

Yeah that's heavily overthinking

[wise onyx]

It feels great to be talking lore in here again! The last time I was in these parts, I was giving my takes on The New War. A good quest, but there were some obvious things missing.

[tall echo]

"Smells better already"
"Breathe easy tenno"

[wise onyx]

Great points there.

[analog glade]

too true, Though for me a warframe is closer to something like a Guyver, then a cybernetic organism like robocop.

[wise onyx]

This is digging way back, but here are some of my thoughts on The New War.

• A good quest, but the actual war was a whole 10 seconds. Lol

• Since the Sentients got the Kuva on the Plains of Eidolon, I thought we'd have a boss fight against a fully reformed Eidolon since it tries every night to get Kuva to reform or at the very least see it reformed.

• When it said that we'd play as several characters, I was thinking more than 4 (Operator, Kahl, Veso, and Teshin. 5 if you count Drifter separately from Operator). If they wanted to keep to these characters, I thought they would have them survive throughout the quest and we'd play different missions as them. This would culminate in a final assault on Praghasa where Teshin, Veso, and Kahl would be in a squad together and you would get to choose which one to play as.

• I thought Praghasa would function as an actual character instead of just a tile set.

• I thought the structure of the quest would start with the Sentients invading from Veil Proxima. The Corpus and Grineer would try to take them on separately with the Tenno trying but failing to get them to work together. This disunity results in the system falling to the Sentients. From here, the story would go kinda like Mass Effect 3 with the Tenno going around the system, liberating Narmer strongholds, forming alliances with the Corpus and Grineer, and rebuilding their forces to make an assault on Praghasa. During the final assault, victory for the alliance seems secure, but then the Sentients play a trump card that gives the alliance an "oh crap" moment. Right as defeat is about to set in, the Man in the Wall comes out of nowhere, saves the day for us, and disappears, leaving us with more questions than answers.

[strange plinth]

sentients seemingly didn't take the kuva from the unum, for whatever reason
man in the wall didn't save anything during tnw? he just flies out of the void portal n disappears. he's "escaped"

[analog glade]

probally because Ballas gave them free riegn on kuva from other towers.

[wise onyx]

Also, Veil Breaker should've been a raid. I think the quest itself was good to introduce the Kahl missions, but from that we learn that the archons are still alive and led by Pazul. I'm thinking a raid structure that takes place on the Murex with 4 boss encounters (each archon and Pazul at the end) and one or two non-boss encounters. The obvious question here might be "If Drifter can take down archons on his own, why would a raid team be needed to fight them now?" The simple answer is Sentient adaptation. Having been bested by the Drifter, the archons adapt and become stronger thus necessitating a full team of Tenno to take them down. I haven't really brainstormed how each boss encounter would work, but I was thinking that Amar (whichever the wolf archon is) might have a fight similar to Atraks-1 from Destiny 2's Deep Stone Crypt Raid (Extinction Protocol Activated) since they both use duplication. There is MASSIVE power creep between Destiny and Warframe, so a pure Destiny-like raid would be way too trivial in Warframe, but it's just some ideas to get the ball rolling.

[wise onyx]

Strictly speaking we don't know where they get the Kuva from, just that they have it. And the Man in the Wall doesn't save anything in the quest, but in the lead up to the release of the quest, I thought that would happen.

[tall echo]

We don't see any reproducing sentients and only the plains sentient knew about the effect, so it's likely that kuva was just ignored

Like, it figured out that kuva restores them by accident

[restive river]

What other towers

The only tower left is the Unum

[brittle siren]

in TNW it shown that they did extract sth from Unum but does not said what did they take out from her. Wally is a prick so he wouldn't "save" anything because he hate humanity and want to cause more chaos (also TNW shown that his control of void power is getting stronger since now he is more freely to appear in the Origin System, and pre NW he could only get into ppl mind at most)

[feral cape]

A pure destiny like raid woulf be the hardest thing warframe has ever seen because it requires you to do something other than shooting

I genuinely do not think 6 average warframe players would be able to beat vog

[lost lion]

So if I'm understanding things correctly, Major Ruskla is the daughter of Mirage and Frosts protoframes, and she got posessed by Wally and then brought to the future to be his vessel to exert influence over Duviri, which he entered via cracks in Mathillas mind?

[proper barn]

sayrn not mirage.

[lost lion]

Oops my bad

[humble sierra]

Adoptive (unofficially probably) daughter

[proper barn]

the possession happens before we go to 1999 and it's how he is in 1999 is cuz he has a vessel.

but otherwise yes.

[lost lion]

So in lore rn, is Ruskla both in 1999 and in the future?

[humble sierra]

No, just in the future

[proper barn]

she's not in 1999 anymore.

[humble sierra]

Somehow she is no longer in 1999 and isn't in the loop

[proper barn]

She dissapears from it at the end of the normal 1999 quest.

i think?

[restive river]

Wally dragged her out :?

[proper barn]

but yes she isn't in the loop. neither is Albretch i don't think.

[restive river]

Albrecht left yeah

[lost lion]

Ok one other questions (Sorry I got busy with life and missed out on the 2nd 1999 update and the beginng of isleweaver) who is the Time Travel research girl in 1999? Is she a 1999 unique character or is she from the future aswell?

[proper barn]

just Kaya

kaya is from 1999. talk to her to learn why.

woah.

[restive river]

Talk to Kaya in KIM for more info on her

[lost lion]

I talked to her and the dialogue referred to her and drifters relationship as familiar. And with her teleporting and stuff in the KIM dialogues I assumed maybe she was like, someone from the Holdfasts who traveled back via conceptual embodiment or something

[proper barn]

no lul.

[restive river]

What

No she’s just a 19 year old from 1999

[lost lion]

Ok lol my bad overthought it

[restive river]

How did you get to her being a holdfast? Lol

[lost lion]

I made some assumptions

And you know what they say about assuming

[muted surge]

why is varzia so cute

[humble sierra]

Erra performed facial reconstruction on her

[errant stream]

Will the Narmer plot with Pazuul and all ever be revisited? Feels like there’s still missing pieces in that plotline

[humble sierra]

Yeah probably

There's a third Orb Mother in a lake in the Vallis that has a Narmer drone floating near it

We're going to Tau next year

[lean garden]

According to the last Tennocon, they in essence told us to keep an eye out

[humble sierra]

I'd be surprised if Pazuul isn't involved

[lean garden]

because theres only so many ways to actually get to Tau

[errant stream]

Maybe after Tau we’ll revisit Narmer?

[humble sierra]

Narmer and Tau are linked

[lean garden]

I think we're going to revisit Narmer to get to Tau

[errant stream]

Ohhh

That would be cool

[humble sierra]

I bet the midyear 2026 update will be Narmer related

[errant stream]

I wonder if we’ll get to fight Pazuul, and maybe possibly free Erra? The second part I doubt but would be cool

New archon shard from Pazuul perhaps?

I’m def hyped for Tau tho. It’s been mentioned so many times

[hearty heron]

Is the Drifter considered to be a Tenno? The split happened pre-return from the Void so technically had none of the Tenno training...

[lean garden]

If you think about it, Tenno could be nomanclature for anyone who survived the Zariman incident, so the Drifter might count

this doesnt include the holdfasts since theyre dead

[strange turtle]

Yeah it depends on which usage of Tenno we use

Since obv they wouldn’t count as Tenno as in the warrior caste

[hearty heron]

People now likely considered them to be Tenno - Weird powers, Warframes, slicey-dicey - But any left over Orokin? Probably doesn't tick all the boxes. Also, is there just ONE Drifter, or a potential Drifter for each child on the 10-0?

[lean garden]

just one

none for the rest of the children

only one goober made any deals and it was you

[hearty heron]

Unless the universe fractured into a boatload of potential universes. ^.^ 1999 did touch on som multiverse stuff.

[quiet ruin]

Didn't you sacrifice all of your possibility to wally

[strange plinth]

not really?

[quiet ruin]

So there's only drifter and operator left

[strange plinth]

yeah that's one of the two big interpretations of the deal scene
bunch of other versions of the operator dying, only operator n drifter left standing

[hearty heron]

Is there more than one Tenno left at this point? The story seems to ignore any others - but obviously there are a ton running around the relays etc.

[quiet ruin]

I think we just follow the story of one tenno.

There were others that were sleeping too I assume.

Rell technically was also around...until he wasn't. Which is pretty recent.

[lean garden]

Is there more than one Tenno left at this point?
Very much so
The story seems to ignore any others - but obviously there are a ton running around the relays etc.
None in the main quests of the game, but we know that voruna's operator was removed from lua

[hearty heron]

Oh and the Lotus does refer to "Other Tenno Operatives" at times.

[quiet ruin]

The game doesn't really bother addressing the multiple drifter and operators from the multi-player aspect of thr game and I honestly prefer it that way

I've seen games tie themselves into knots trying to mend that discrepancy

[hearty heron]

The Ten Zero currently jammed between worlds, is that the original ship or something like the drifter where it was split at the same time?

And if this is the story of a Tenno, I wonder if the others get up to the same weird shennanigans. ^.^

[quiet ruin]

Its every ten zero at once:)

[strange plinth]

drifter's zariman still sits in duviri, operator's is in the origin system
iirc both are stuck in plugging the hole in the albrecht membrane, sorta taking up the same space

[quiet ruin]

That's why you can hang out with your operator self there

[strange turtle]

It’s the og ship(s) but it’s also just a bunch of different versions of it at once, Drifter mentions it in KIM

[hearty heron]

Ahhh!

I'm not all the way through those yet.

I do recall Drifter saying something like "Just me and the kid...that I know of"

But it sounds like only one of the two can exist in the Origin system at a time - is that right? So if the Drifter is out, does that mean the Operator is in Duviri? Or just chill'n on the 10-0?

[strange plinth]

there was a reddit comment explaining that the other watches from a "void bubble" of some sort
they can't occupy the same "slot" in spacetime, but one can watch the other from the void pocket
this is also why drifter can be active in 1999 while operator can be active in the origin system, in terms of their personal timelines

[hearty heron]

Wonder if the opposite is true...One must exist in the Origin system.

[strange plinth]

we do have a gap where there isn't
between ballas tossing operator into the void and drifter showing up in the origin system

[narrow valve]

Hi. so i am watching someone on stream doing heart of deimos. and the daughter is listening to on-lyne. any lore explanation that i have missed?

[dense nest]

probably like helminth

[pale cedar]

Infestation transcends time

[dense nest]

also the boyband coda appear on the origin system

[eager dragon]

Mostly for the lols

[olive crest]

[regal palm]

To goes for the idea that everything has a soul wether if its alive or not

[lost lion]

What is programming if not a robot’s soul?

[north jolt]

Tbh I don't think it necessarily needs a big elaborate explanation anyways. There are other active tenno still doing tenno stuff, maybe they also get affected by our actions in the story but we are THE tenno

Maybe one of the only few who ever leaves their Warframe

[lost lion]

I just took it as that other players tenno exist digetically, but from the POV of each player they are The Tenno in a slightly different universe where their Tenno was the one to make the deal. It even works on a meta level since with how servers work, the Tenno I see is not technically the same Tenno you’re controlling. (As for why we can see other drifters, ummmm something something paradox)

[north jolt]

I mean that's kinda what I was trying to get at

The only other tenno we know of who they're own full fledge person within the story is Rell but I wouldn't be opposed to potentially meeting more at some point

[pseudo stag]

I was just thinking that I'd really like a warframe lore book

[mighty thicket]

No wrong answers, What color is the void? I personally think its baby blue, If you become one with the void it should theoretically not trigger changes within your eyes so it would appear black but when outside of it I think it would be like energy blue color.

[lilac aspen]

I tried to mimic the color for some fashion framing
It’s two blues but I cannot for the life of me get it right sometimes

It’s like a dark shade and a medium shade but sometimes it can be a dark shade and light shade

[eager dragon]

It's like a greenish-blue I feel like

[cosmic badge]

Teal?

[sly ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/275514194650988544/821195354346487829/Homer_fades_into_the_Void.gif

[violet storm]

POV: Cy just opened a tunnel to get away from a conflict

[sly ibex]

I think it looks pretty blue. XD

[cosmic badge]

Its definitely somewhere between light blue and green

[sly ibex]

I honestly don't see green when I fly to one of the mission nodes in the Void. I'll have to do one there again just to double check I'm not misremembering lol

[bright temple]

<@&778745217037238293> bot alert

[hushed parcel]

i dont remember any dialogue but ||TNW|| ||we see other's Warframes getting destroyed||

[lean garden]

well yes, which obviously by nature means theres more

[cosmic badge]

I like the idea of the other tenno are just a bit older than others if they play drifter more than operator and the only one to have both is you the main one

[hushed parcel]

no, i am the main character
my Drifter singlehandedly (pun intended) ||saved the galaxy from the narmor||
everyone else slacking off

[silk atlas]

As it is with most multiplayer live service games

[tall echo]

Well not destroyed but we see an operator-less rhino

[sly pagoda]

The thought of where are the other Tenno is its left obscured for gameplay reasons.

But we can imagine for example when we are doing that survival to distract the enemy, there are other tenno on say a spy mission.

[humble sierra]

Yeah, actually. You, the player, are the only one who goes through the quests. You're the only one who made the Deal, you're the only one with a Drifter, technically you're the only one in 1999 and Duviri-- out of all multiplayer elements that's probably the one that makes the least sense as a result.

[normal mountain]

Here's a silly headcanon for Duviri multi-player I just came up with
Drifter only encountered other Tenno after the New War, and came to enjoy going on missions with others
So, when he returns to Duviri, he starts Conceptually Embodying other Drifters (intentionally or not) to fight alongside him

There's probably a better explanation I could come up with
but then again, I wasn't going for better

[humble sierra]

More than what Warframe gave us tbf

Until we get an explanation I'll go with that

[normal mountain]

I mean, sometimes I wonder if Duviri was always intended to be a solo experience
I seem to have my best runs solo, anyways

Except Isleweaver
I ain't touching that spider solo
never again

[flint wigeon]

Do the choices in war within on the kuva fortress matter?

[steel compass]

For your alignment, yes

We don't know what that will do yet

[swift sentinel]

Alignment currently is cosmetic only, yeah

[flint wigeon]

I think I chose the good side

[steel compass]

Currently afaik there are some dialog changes with the helminth, but nothing big

[flint wigeon]

Which side has the best cosmetics? Good neutral or the one to consume?

[jaunty oasis]

Neutral probably, but remember it’s not good or evil, it’s emotional vs emotionless.

[proper barn]

There's no good or bad.

Its more yin and yang.

[proper barn]

They aren't cosmetic? Unless you mean the end of the new war which I guess is cosmetic.

[cosmic badge]

There was cosmetic stuff at the end of new war?

[swift sentinel]

There's no exclusive cosmetics, just the black/white badge on your profile

[cosmic badge]

Ah

[proper barn]

||the lotus natah marg choice||

[cosmic badge]

Oh yea that

[flint wigeon]

I think I may have gotten it confused

[hearty heron]

I do wonder what the % of choices there were for that one.

Iirc you can swap the skins/cosmetics but not the name yeah?

[swift sentinel]

Name is permanent, skin can be changed for Plat

[humble sierra]

"Cosmetic" as in flavor, nothing unlocked. Besides the final choice of the New War quest.

Also, I just learned that worship of Buddha is technically canon to Warframe

[hearty heron]

Hmmm...Entrati does call the Drifter "Tenno" at the end of the Hex chain...

[strange plinth]

they're effectively tenno after the scene in new war, i'd say
got the void powers n any info they'd need could be provided by operator (if it wasn't given automatically. dunno how that all works)

[stray herald]

[pale cedar]

Drifter survived the 10-0 incident so close enough

[proper barn]

well they survived it longer than us even. like they get left/stuck there.

[little kestrel]

I just wondered how much sense a Jade prime Warframe would make since she is still the same Warframe that we see in the jade shadows quest from the old war times. My conclusion was that it wouldn't really make that much sense unless they change jade's model in the quest to the jade prime model if we get one. What are your thoughts?

[lean garden]

nothing would have stopped the orokin from making Jade Prime while Jade was around

[reef radish]

Do we know why the Indifference is so interested in the Lotus?

[pale cedar]

No

[analog glade]

I belive it is said she might have mad a deal.