lore-discussion

[restive river]

Jokes on him
Without our Oro we’re invulnerable
Or something idr Oro lore :p

[iron tiger]

If you drink the kuva he says what took you so long?

[lilac aspen]

Wally receiving a fraction of the depression:

[restive river]

Also if Wally takes the light from Operator could Drifter share their light in the same way the Operator shared their piece of Wally?

[iron tiger]

In the war within

[lilac aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/bartholomew-kuma-and-roronoa-zoro-make-try-the-pain-gif-10869611354953315253

[iron tiger]

Oro being what was promised is very likely

[restive river]

If it’s real

Which the last mention of Oro was Albrecht saying nah that’s not real my cat is super smart

[iron tiger]

But why would the devil want our soul

[lilac aspen]

You answered your own question

[restive river]

If Oro is essentially the self and Wally is a void and we know he wants to have what we have then that spells that out simply enough

[iron tiger]

Ooo great summary

[restive river]

He either wants everything to be a void or to just exist as a something
Cause
He is nothing

Bro can’t even make anything actually original

[lilac aspen]

The fact we were also the first person to ever offer something to Wally

Probably made it decide “Yes this one will help me the most” despite the fact Wally’s deal is kinda bad for us.

[restive river]

He offered the deal

[iron tiger]

I wonder what him having oro would allow him to do he’s already a god or indifference, maybe oro would allow a higher level of understanding of emotions? Since we know that’s what creates stuff in the void. It’s also shown that emotion can override his control of the void.

[restive river]

We didn’t

[iron tiger]

Actually yeah that has to be it

[restive river]

He’s not a god

[iron tiger]

That makes perfect sense

[iron tiger]

He gave us powers though

[restive river]

I know characters keep calling him a god but that’s just cause he’s big and scary and powerful

[iron tiger]

Not a god but certainly divine

[restive river]

Yeah and the Orokin gave us warframes

[restive river]

Nah

[lilac aspen]

What I mean is we were the first person to ever offer something (Offering our flash light) instead of just taking

So it kinda decided to take that to the extremes and went “Okay deal time, your actual light, hand it over.”

[iron tiger]

False equivalence warframes are biotech and the void powers are magic basically

[lilac aspen]

We had Void powers but we were stupid children so like

The Warframes helped us more

[restive river]

You get my point though :p
just cause they granted us power does not make them gods

Also like
Viewing Wally as more powerful could make him more powerful, he’s a being of the void, made from concepts and emotions

I wouldn’t call Wally a god cause I wouldn’t call the Orokin gods
Just cause he’s powerful does not make him godly or divine

I know the Orokin were factually human but everything Wally is is because of humanity aside from him being born of the void

[iron tiger]

Just cause he controls almost everything in his own dimension and is an omnipresent being doesn’t mean he’s a god?

[restive river]

He doesn’t control the whole void???

[iron tiger]

Almost

[restive river]

No, not almost

[lilac aspen]

If it was a true god we should of lost regardless

The fact of the matter is Wally can’t even control the Void

[brazen seal]

he's trying to escape the void all this time tho

[iron tiger]

If not god why god shaped

[restive river]

He is a void entity same as any other
To inflate him to be a god is to put him on a pedestal

[restive river]

He’s literally human shaped

[iron tiger]

That’s so he can have his finger back and bring back non linear time

[silk atlas]

If god why can't he cope with losing a finger

[restive river]

Not sure if that’s his goal but ok

[lilac aspen]

Wally came from the Void
It is part of the Void

But because the Void operates on such weird nonsensical rules, not even Wally can truly control it

Hence how Duviri, despite “Existing because of ME!” couldn’t just be instantly taken over by it

[iron tiger]

So what would you call him

[restive river]

If god why can’t he cope with love lol

[restive river]

A void entity.

[iron tiger]

Just a void entity?

😂

[restive river]

The most powerful known one
But not a god.

[pale cedar]

Yes

[silk atlas]

A strong one, but yeah that's literally what he is.

[lilac aspen]

Yes
Its

Its literally an entity from the Void

[pale cedar]

Can I be called a Void entity yet?

[restive river]

Before Albrecht he likely didn’t exist in any way that mattered

[restive river]

Get a piece of him and sure

[iron tiger]

He has atleast two get the deal and get the finger!

[lilac aspen]

Its not a god
If it was then it should have already won. Because you can’t beat a true God

[brazen seal]

it seems like he has 40

[restive river]

He also wants what we want

[iron tiger]

A my little pony Lego set?

[restive river]

Even without his weakness he should’ve won if he was a god tbh

[lilac aspen]

There is a reason why Albrecht talked about Wally wanting things and stuff because it can’t make its own things and stuff in the same way normal people can

[restive river]

Sorry I meant he wants what we have

Sorry 😔

[lilac aspen]

A God shouldn’t be wanting when it would have everything already as a GOD

[misty salmon]

Wally is not immune to advertising, he wants what he sees on his tennovision.

[pale cedar]

Can you really be called a God if you were created by a man's fear in the Void?

[restive river]

A god would also be way more original with their creation
Everything he makes is derived from humanity, his literal only reference point

[lilac aspen]

A God wouldn’t be literally throwing a fit at us for stopping it from taking over Duviri

It’d just take Duviri without a word

[iron tiger]

So he wants oro

[restive river]

A man who was part of the class of people who saw themselves as gods

[restive river]

If Oro exists
Which
We don’t actually know

[iron tiger]

Yall are making oro seem like the obvious answer to our end of the deal

[restive river]

Again the last mention of Oro was saying it doesn’t exist cause Kalymos is really cool

[iron tiger]

The more yall say the more im convinced

[lilac aspen]

The fact Wally be having a meltdown in Isleweaver

[restive river]

If not Oro then something akin to it
Our self
Our identity

[lilac aspen]

“Oro doesn’t exist.”
“Why?”
“Because my Cat.”

[silk atlas]

Wally is clear in bending the terms around the deal with what he tried pulling in Whispers trying to take the page.

[restive river]

“Oh understandable”
And nobody brought up Oro ever again!

[pale cedar]

This is like the biggest thing actually suggesting it is real

[iron tiger]

Oro is consciousness evolved to the point of self awareness

[proper crow]

Just be glad that it wasn't another Orokin that Wally got his first taste of humanity from.

[restive river]

If we get any info on Oro it will likely be with the new protos actually

[brazen seal]

imagine ballas being the first one to go into the void

[restive river]

True, out of all the blue weirdos he was probably the best cause of how down he was lol

[brazen seal]

we'd be so screwed

[restive river]

Wally’s ego and head would be bigger than the wall, possibly bigger than the entire void

[lilac aspen]

Imagine if Albrecht went in there after he finally began to accept love and all that jazz from Loid

Wally but instead of indifferent he’s just a chill guy

Chat we could of had a timeline where Wally could of been a better person

[misty salmon]

Grandmother might have been fun, she seems unusually decent for an Orokin, even back in the Dagath days.

[lilac aspen]

Wally but with a sense of humor terrifies me

[proper crow]

I do like that there seems to be a current storyline about guilt and trying to make up for past mistakes with what's coming up.

An Orokin actually feeling guilt and trying to fix their mistakes?? That's an anomaly

[lilac aspen]

Hence why Drifter says Albrecht is actually the only Orokin who was “Good”

Since he has regret
Despite he’s still doing some morally questionable stuff still

[proper crow]

I still wonder uriel's deal though.

Heretic of xata (truth)

What would a Warframe have spoken out about that would cause them to be banished?

[lilac aspen]

“Uriel, did you eat a cookie from the jar?”

“No.”

Heretic of Xata title obtained

[proper crow]

I swear to God if they're not an Orokin turned Warframe

[misty salmon]

literally anything the Orokin didn't want said.

[lilac aspen]

If you breathe wrong around the Orokin you will get in trouble

[proper crow]

It just feels like Uriel is likely meant to be an orokin who spoke out, then got Warframe'd as punishment. (jade being the example it's not off the table)

[lilac aspen]

Jade and Sorren were not Orokin though

[proper crow]

No, but warframing someone as a punishment is not off the table

[misty salmon]

also Umbra

[lilac aspen]

Most people who were warframes were punishment or forced against their will usually

It’s why Gara was liked
She was the only person who willingly offered to become one

[brazen seal]

ballas would finally have someone that understands him
ballas + wally combo would be deadly

[proper crow]

No let's be honest. If anyone was like ballas he would hate it

[brazen seal]

ballas enter the void and see him mirrored

Look at you, what a fine sight

instead of albrecht that run away

[lilac aspen]

They’d be plotting to turn on each other and then laugh at each other when it occurs

[brazen seal]

damn
this would be extremely funny

[proper crow]

Ballas wouldn't be able to handle anybody on his own level, because he has to be the best.

[brazen seal]

they'd def fake to each other for a millenium tho

[proper crow]

True.

[eager dragon]

100%

Can you imagine the conversations?

[brazen seal]

they see each other
on their mind

Imma manipulate this dude

[brazen seal]

God, now I hope to see something like this at some point

[lilac aspen]

“This fool does not know I will play him like the pathetic Shawzin he is. Oh how brilliant my golden mind is.” - Both of them

[proper crow]

No no we are missing a grand opportunity

This exact concept

But with anyo and Alad

The corpus already known to be petty capitalists

I really want to see these two just having a bitter rivalry

Wait hold on. that will actually require anyo to be smart

Never mind

[lilac aspen]

They kinda do
Nef was trying to prevent Alad V from curing himself from the infestation

[iron tiger]

Was albrecht an orokin or Archimedian it sounds like there’s a difference

[eager dragon]

Orokin

He had blue skin and stuff

[lilac aspen]

Orokin

[iron tiger]

Is the form we see a recent one?

That was his last body yeah?

He was gonna set himself to die

[eager dragon]

Should be his last skin, so "recent" in the sense that it was last. It still came before Wally and stuff.

[iron tiger]

Did he visit the 1999 with that skin?

But scholars landing and stuff was the snake dreads and blue skin

[eager dragon]

He just decided to no longer take Kuva. We don't know for sure how long the average lifespan is (Darvo is 100 something and is the equivalent of early adult)

[iron tiger]

Alad v was around during the orokin fall too

[misty salmon]

he seems to have adjusted to fit in in 1999, presumably through reversing the blue skin and any other cosmetic effects since he's sworn off continuity.

[eager dragon]

Maybe. Don't think we have much to base that on other than him talking about the fall and the Acolytes calling him "Orokin"

[iron tiger]

Are the acolytes Tenno?

[eager dragon]

Almost certainly not. We don't know for sure though. Void, we barely know about the Stalker, other than that he is definitely not a Tenno.

[lilac aspen]

Vat cloned a soldier

Or something

[eager dragon]

Yeah, but that was before Wally creation. He didn't take kuva after he met Wallbrecht.

[iron tiger]

So the acolytes are like stalker and umbra

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht has that drip though
He knows the fit of 1999

[eager dragon]

Probably. We don't know for sure.

They might be Tenno that liked Stalker for whatever reason, I dunno

However unlikely

[brazen seal]

I still think these fellas are related to the stalker/acolytes
but I have no base for that

[iron tiger]

By the way, we go on several assassination missions throughout our time in warframe. But the bosses we go up against always revive. Is there any lore reason or technology in universe to explain this

?

It can’t be kuva can it?

[silk atlas]

Same way as any other video game like this:
It's a gameplay mechanic.

[iron tiger]

No it deeper than that

Lt kril and vor literally team up on ceres

After we assassinated both

[steel compass]

Probably cloned

[silk atlas]

It's not. We "kill" characters like Alad and he still shows up anyway because they just didn't die during the assassination

Despite the name of the mission type lol

[steel compass]

So we just give them a beating and that's it?

[dire cliff]

o7

[iron tiger]

That makes sense for the grineer, the corpus less so. But it is one solution

[silk atlas]

That Lech Kril Vor team up specifically is just a placeholder for a boss they never bothered making, and most other Grineer higher-ups we target just didn't die when you do their assassinate. Vor and Vey Hek being the main ones

[dire cliff]

did they already rework vor assasination? Or is it still to come?

[silk atlas]

They did

[strange plinth]

already reworked

[dire cliff]

hmm... dispite my hatred towards vor i think im gonna replay the mission just to see it

[strange plinth]

it has the same basic structure but there's more to it
pretty fun imo

[dire cliff]

also im not sure i understood what they ment on Tennocon but 1. is the Uriel the Devilframe, 2. Is he the one comeing next or is he second i queue?

[silk atlas]

Yes; Don't remember

[misty salmon]

yes and second in queue, "shroomframe" is first in fall update

[strange plinth]

^
"fun guy" is 62nd, Uriel is 63rd

[dire cliff]

did they tease the fun guy?

[strange plinth]

no
we got a pun about it and that's it

[proper crow]

Shroom guy is likely coming around the same time as oberon rework and no

[dire cliff]

meh

[proper crow]

Hopefully fun guy is finally a gas based frame

[dire cliff]

though the fridgeframe

[dire cliff]

think his going to yea

[misty salmon]

yeah, we literally got "fun guy" as the only info, the shroom frame conclusion is entirely based on the delivery of that one line.

[dire cliff]

well DE does go for veriaty of frames so the gas one should be next

[misty salmon]

they have to have something to fill devstreams with though, so I expect further info will be coming.

[dire cliff]

yea true. I just hope that soulframe doesnt impact the evergrowing development of wf

been doing great job for over 9y of my Tenno lifetime

[brazen seal]

or a clown one

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1043835904558633080.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[dire cliff]

Mirage is a clown one

[brazen seal]

another one to make her company

[iron tiger]

Bruh I thought that meant he’d be a clown

[iron tiger]

Imagine a mime stealth warframe though

[restive river]

They literally said they would be lol

The teacher quest
Mushroom frame
Lavos deluxe
And Oberon rework are all in the same update sometime in the fall

[iron tiger]

Mirage is more of a jester than a clown

Or magician

Illusionist

[restive river]

she’s a jester / trickster for sure

[misty salmon]

Limbo is the stage magician

[brazen seal]

and much more
so prob after the devstream at september

[iron tiger]

Yeah we need a proper clown warframe though

[restive river]

Yeah, next devstream will likely go through tennocon stuff so probably september’s is when we will get more info on that update

[restive river]

I feel like it’s overdone but clown with big hammer would be great

[brazen seal]

september devstream so far tho

[iron tiger]

Hahah yesss

[restive river]

If they go back to 1999 I hope they expand on the carnival and give us clownframe

[restive river]

Time will go by fast, don’t worry

[iron tiger]

A heavy clown warframe

[brazen seal]

https://tenor.com/view/chapolin-gif-14919041576162879319

the hammer in question ^

[restive river]

We got dog days, then the next devstream, then maybe the next prime in september iirc? With that devstream likely giving details on the fall update, specifically what’s happening with Oberon

[iron tiger]

Fr what even happens in August and September

[restive river]

Dog days and I wanna say maybe a charity?

I wanna say conquera is in october tho with the mustache charity event being in november

[brazen seal]

wow
U made me want a warframe with an exalted hammer now

[restive river]

One day every weapon type could have an exalted

[brazen seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/916377521010905238.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[iron tiger]

Exalted great hammer

That’s also squishy and bouncy so when you heavy ground slam it shoots you back up

[limber prism]

I’ve been waiting 9 years for one

Hell, call em Hephaestus or something

[iron tiger]

Hephaestus is also a god of fire, what if we give him a steel wool Afro

That can be used as a fire bomb

So his theme is hot metal

Also what’s this thing at the end of the tau reveal meant to be it looks like some kind of wormholes or refraction or forcefield. We see 3 planets but are those from tau or the origin system?

[limber prism]

Reminds me of Reach

[brazen seal]

No way that's origin
It'd mean it's super close
And we would be there already

[iron tiger]

That’s why I’m wondering if it’s a wormhole

[strange plinth]

only thing we would have is a solar rail
and the origin side is long broken by this point

[humble sierra]

Hey, they only said the new Warframe was a "fun guy", they never outright said he was going to be mushroom based

[restive river]

He’s a fungi

[bright temple]

Likely fungus based on the pun, but nothing confirmed

[iron tiger]

Imagine he’s mold themed

[tall echo]

They also said mushroom frame during tennolive iirc

[iron tiger]

I bet we’ll get a solar rail tileset before tau

[lilac aspen]

We’re getting Resident Evil 7 frame before GTA 6

[iron tiger]

It’ll probably look umbral though

[misty helm]

So, with the appearance of the new quest, is it somewhat confirmed the og sentients where golden trimmed?

[iron tiger]

And derelict

[strange plinth]

i mean
the junctions are solar rails
the one to tau was just bigger, presumably

[tall echo]

What

No

[tall echo]

What does that mean

[iron tiger]

Pretty sure junctions are only a part of it

[tall echo]

They are the rail and a part of the rail

[iron tiger]

Describe why?

[tall echo]

They emit the literal rail which is the giant beam of light seen during the activation scene

[iron tiger]

But then why do we kill a Tenno Spector?

If the rails are owned by the corpus

[strange plinth]

huh

[iron tiger]

The rails are of modern Tenno design, but the spectre is supposedly from the void

[tall echo]

Different rails

[tall echo]

Safety measure

[iron tiger]

Where is this explained?

[tall echo]

Logical assumptions theory

[iron tiger]

Hmmm

Ok

[violet storm]

This is a weird question, but what do people use to shave in Warframe

[topaz pawn]

Zariman knife

[violet storm]

I don’t know why I asked(though I kinda just shaved my face for the first time). Guess I’m curious about it

Like, what do the corpus use

[ashen pulsar]

Swords

Lazor razor

Idk

[normal mountain]

Facial hair disintegration ray
one of the few practical applications of the Jade Light

Oh wait, Corpus wouldn't really have Jade Light, would they?
sneers at Parvos Granum

[violet storm]

Wait, now I’m curious to if orokin had anything about beards/facial hair

[normal mountain]

Maybe
Only Orokin I remember with face hair is... I think Albrecht
But only after he got his skin un-blued

Either that, or I'm thinking of Loid

[teal frost]

Kind of a stretch but with the fact that seemingly the opreator goes to the tao system and not the drifter, it feels like a setup where drifter controls time and the operator controls space. Maybe ending up even fusing the two to a single entity that can control spacetime? Hell maybe this is what wally is setting us up for?

[violet storm]

He’s technically just a normal dude, Loid. Albrecht’s assistant. Safe to say Albrecht had different standings on certain things compared to other orokin.

[normal mountain]

Missed my point
Either Albrecht had facial hair, or I confused his face for Loid's again

I don't know which right now

[violet storm]

Albrecht’s 1999 body has facial hair

[strange plinth]

both do iirc
as in loid and albrecht

[normal mountain]

I know Loid does
I just wasn't sure I could remember Albrecht's face well enough to say he does

Sometimes, my brain makes substitutions

[violet storm]

I remember it well enough. That first scene we see of him in 1999 during Whispers in the Wall had yet to leave me

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht got facial hair when he got a norm body

Before that he didn’t have facial hair I believe

He didn’t have that Rizz beard for Loid

[ashen pulsar]

We have the pic of him without facial hair

Maybe he didn’t grow it maybe he shaved

I’m not sure they elaborated further

[violet storm]

Whispers in the Wall Albrecht

The image quality sucks, but it’s there

[high bay]

Question: how do crewmen look around given how their helmets are integrated into their suits?

Like they can’t move their heads and still be able to see?

[brazen seal]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-keaton-batman-look-up-full-torso-turn-above-gif-895756881693120618

like this ^

[high bay]

If I ever had silly amounts of money, like enough money to get good quality cosplay stuff and still be able to pay rent and insurance and stuff like that, I’d want to either pay for or make a corpus crewman cosplay and go to tennocon and troll the attendees by speaking in the corpus language

[lilac aspen]

Exactly like that

Pretty sure Gauss Prime trailer shows it

I think due to how large the helmet is, however, they can move their head around inside actually

[restive river]

It’s the same body tbh
He never took the Kuva after Wally

[restive river]

Probably like the tennocon cosplay
Cameras in the helmet

[high bay]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[lilac aspen]

As if the Corpus would be that willing to spend profit

[humble sierra]

I'm thinking a mirror periscope thingy

This but to their eyes and that little part of their visor

In fact that's how I thought the Prodman cosplayer was gonna reveal he did it, but nope, man just made a VR headset

[raw sigil]

does anyone know the century that the orokin era started

im trying to find the time period of when dualism was believed, the wiki says from before the 21st century to the early orokin era

[bright temple]

Nop

The only explicit timeframe for anything is 1999

Everything else is just Future™

[raw sigil]

well shiiii

how do i explain to my professor that the orokin just.... started

[strange plinth]

they erased most records of history before their time
so their origins are unknown
part of their eternal empire we-are-gods whatever

[raw sigil]

fair enough

[humble sierra]

There's a fair bit that implies the seeds of the Orokin started around 1999 with the O.R.O. and Scaldra

[strange plinth]

oh true yea, forgot about that
it just isn't known how far the gap is between its actual formation and then

[raw sigil]

i can see that being the case, the scaldra do want authoritarian control over everything in Hollavania

is it because albrecht went back to 1999?

[strange plinth]

there's some min/vel chats that say more, i'll see if i can find them

[raw sigil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007439208702541946/1212252872490622977/Markiplier_FNAF_low_quality_1_1_1_1.gif

pov: the old peace ^

[limber prism]

What professor are you explaining Warframe lore to?

[raw sigil]

my religion professor

[limber prism]

…

Oh I gotta get a bowl of popcorn for this conversation

[raw sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-eating-spaghetti-cute-gif-11451413

hes asking us to make a video on the religious diversity in a subject of our choosing

i know the Lore gurus of this server would help if i chose Warframe

[strange plinth]

biggest one i think is r2c2,
"...I had just come back from a year-long blakc ops intel operation investigating Scaldra.
I didn't just have "a suspicion" about them, I had FACTS. Binders and stacks of floppy disks of FACTS.
They're bought and sold for by some of the biggest corporations in this world. Ones whose corruption and greed run deep.
We're talking "remake the world into their oligarchic dystopia" where us peasants live to serve them and rake the fields and kiss their golden feet."

drifter has an option to say they "have experience"

[limber prism]

One thing to note about the Orokin, is that they want to be treated like gods, as evidence by…well…everything they do

But then comes the Void. You could even make a whole essay based on the symbolism of how we are considered “demons” and the Void Angels themselves

Man, wish I had this kind of professor when I was still in my Destiny phase

Would’ve had a field day explaining the Hive

[raw sigil]

bro i wouldve had a field day on the mythological inspirations of every Persona in persona 5

[raw sigil]

we as in the tenno?

[limber prism]

Bingo

[raw sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-13481320143050343709

[strange plinth]

ballas calls us a void devil, the helminth calls us a demon
both have an innate negative view of us (ballas) or the void (helminth)

but i believe the angels are named by the holdfasts?

[raw sigil]

it would be cool if the void angels were just the void souls of our dead parents from the zariman

[limber prism]

Which is ironic considering we are more like angels than demons

They aren’t?

[strange plinth]

that's not far off tbf

[limber prism]

I was under the assumption the void angels were the twisted forms and souls of the adults of the ship

[glacial bough]

That's exactly what they are

[raw sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-thousand-yard-stare-gif-3375758199587212884

wait i was kidding- THEY ARE?!?!?!

[strange plinth]

its the void constructs of them giving in to "the song"

[raw sigil]

so you're telling me im farming the void constructs of my dead parents

man i love Warframe

[limber prism]

Warframe tends to have unserious characters, but some of the coldest and most terrifying backstories

But when it came to the Zariman, they spared no word in making that place feel like the horror show it is

[strange plinth]

the angel that you fight during the initial aotz quest is Kira, the most recent one to fall to the song
she has a lot more meaning if you participated in the zariman arg, as she interacted with the community through it
and then she's.. already gone when we get there

[strange plinth]

yeah this gif describes a good amount of the void angels lmfao

[raw sigil]

what if the void angels were named after content creators

"yeah that void angel your fighting is named Markiplier"

i did not know that corpus branched off from the orokin

i thought they were just their own separate faction

jesus christ did everything branch from the orokin? what's next, the orokin's version of the devil himself as a warframe?

[strange plinth]

you'll never guess

[raw sigil]

OOOOHHH MY GO-

[strange plinth]

but yeah, pretty much everything is traced back to the orokin

the infestation being the exception

[raw sigil]

i love this screenshot

[strange plinth]

lmao

[raw sigil]

so where did the infestation come from

[limber prism]

https://tenor.com/view/nanomachines-son-metal-gear-senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-gif-20057254

[strange plinth]

unknown !
the techrot outbreak in 1999 is almost the earliest mention
there's some terminals and kim chats that say it existed a few years prior
but no origin

[raw sigil]

yknow i kinda wished there was like a raid boss type of fight where the infested just fuse into one mega-giant unholy amalgamation and try to kill you

"Tenno, you HAVE to defend the Strata Relay from this infested amalgamation the size of the sun!"

[steel compass]

Uh...

Isn't that basically star plague?

[silk escarp]

don't know. however, an altered form of infestation is used to create the warframes. from people.

[raw sigil]

whats that

[steel compass]

Big infested meteor on cetus with bosses

Also chat, outta nowhere, are we screwed if infested get to absorb sentients?

[strange plinth]

they bio-bombed deimos to prevent the sentients getting to the heart
it probably already has

[humble sierra]

We absolutely would but there are probably other games that are more "content heavy" with their religions. I'm sure the Devil's Triad will give us plenty content, but that won't be until December

[raw sigil]

ive never heard of that

[raw sigil]

the video is due tomorrow LOL

[humble sierra]

Limited Time Event that only shows up occasionally

[steel compass]

Occasionally with a Big O

[raw sigil]

i think so

[steel compass]

Gives out free built formas and good arcanes

[strange plinth]

supposed to be once a year at least i think?
but they didn't run it last year because of an update or something?

[raw sigil]

strangely i dont remember ever seeing it

[steel compass]

It's really once in a blue moon tbf

Last time was 2023 i think

[raw sigil]

yeah i didnt play then, makes sense

[brittle siren]

I'm curious, who voiced our father during the activation of reliquary in RJ mission?

[proper barn]

They can't. But the sentients do avoid the Infested.

[blissful merlin]

Nicholas cage /j

[hidden cove]

It that why half the planet is split open and the whole thing looks like a skull.

Or is that because the Infested have basically devoured so much planetary mass?

[humble sierra]

I don't think it's our father speaking, just Operator saying what he said

https://youtu.be/FUUWEx27Eu8?feature=shared

[brittle siren]

No not that

I was talking about the cutscenes when the Reliquary is connecting with the RJ

"Something out there, watching us"

In this live stream https://www.youtube.com/live/8zenYB1r_tc?si=vMrzpAFffnNgGR41

Try to rewind a bit to the 9hour and 28 min mark on the screen

[humble sierra]

Yeah pretty sure that's a male operator

[desert spire]

What juicy lore are we talking about?

[shut patrol]

My own theory is that, whereas the Tenno have a spiritual connection to the Void, the infestation seems to be like a spiritual cancer of sorts.

The idea of enlightenment in many philosophies involves recognizing the oneness of all things, and yet also recognizing that each individual is a unique incarnation of the collective consciousness. But the infestation seems to do the opposite, it wants to make all things into itself.

Tenno seem to be immune to it, even without their warframes. This could perhaps be because they're already attuned to another spiritual frequency.

Fittingly, Japanese spiritual traditions view the Void as the origin and destination of all other elements.

[odd prairie]

is there a reason legs just didnt get arms

is it part of his brand gimmick

[proper crow]

It's a quest thing, if I remember.

[odd prairie]

yeah i did the quest its weird he never gets arms even when you save him

i get hes called legs but you dont need to be that dedicated to the bit

[wide dome]

he spent all of eudico and the business’s money on legs

none left for arms

[odd prairie]

i wish we could give him arms

he deserves them

[brittle siren]

This confirmed that Sentient has soul /j
https://youtu.be/r_KW7PY0iN0

[pine orchid]

I wish reaching rank 5 with solaris united gave you a bit more of a warning
that was the worst jumpscare I've had in this game, even with chains of harrow included 😭

[kind thunder]

This ☝️
Also I wish we had a toggle to keep the lid down.

[dense nest]

There is (using content creator mode) for pc. Although the draw back iirc lotus and teshin also change to default in video msg

Also never tested after narmer

[pine orchid]

I second that honestly I dont mean to disrespect them and their way of life, and suddenly "brain shelving" makes a lot more sense
but like it would be nice is they had a little scene snippet like in angels of zariman or deimos or cavia so we don't just go up to them like "Hey Eudi- OH MY GOD"

[dense nest]

creator mode active

[pine orchid]

that's nice that it's an option at least

[south nimbus]

King von would make a great stalker proto-frame

[lament silo]

Lore

[proper barn]

i hate creator mode

but anyway.

[dapper pier]

Am I the only person who reckons we should have smth like excal umbra for kullervo instead of kullervo prime? or both?

[strange plinth]

in what way?

[dapper pier]

I mean kullervo already has a lot of lore so it just sort of makes sense to me that he has a special version of him

[proper barn]

Why? Also Umbra only exists cuz Excal already has a prime.

[dapper pier]

no particular reason, just thought it would be cool. though i guess you could say the same about a lot of warframes, like Ash, or Dante

[proper barn]

Also umbra isn't special

Cuz he's called umbra

[dapper pier]

I understand that, just thought it would be cool if it were the same, with a quest that shows kullervo's lore

[strange plinth]

his lore is already on the walls of his arena, don't really need a quest for it
n there's not a huge amount to expand on

[proper barn]

I would say Kullevro has a whole "quest" basically he has that with Temu Ballas narrating it.

[pale cedar]

He got a whole update named after him

[dapper pier]

on reflection i guess ur right cuz umbra was the first frame right? so thatd mean only umbra could have a "umbra" version

[strange plinth]

umbra was one of the last

[dapper pier]

i need to figure out my lore more 😭

[strange turtle]

Umbra’s just a special case because Ballas wanted him to suffer for trying to tell on him

He’s not actually a special version of Excalibur or anything beyond being an alt of Prime game-wise, he’d probably just be a skin and they’d have started going with the og plan of adding Umbra’s passive as a wider thing from the start otherwise if it weren’t for the Prime being exclusive

[swift sentinel]

It's probably worth noting for newer players that Umbra started as Excalibur Umbra Prime, a China exclusive to their version of the founder pack, since the Founder program was long over by the time Warframe launched in China. Sacrifice quest was a smart re-use and way to give Umbra to the Global version.

[brittle siren]

he kinda more special since he could just overwhelm us by just screaming

also he retain all the Dax technique + Excal ability

like the only person would 1 shot him atm is Natah and Wally

[strange turtle]

I don’t see how one shots are relevant when that’s not exactly a metric most of the enemies can go in, and the skills don’t matter either because I’m not talking about the person that is the Warframe, just the Warframe itself

Like our weapons have a bunch of different variants that are built different in some way that makes them stand out. Mara, Wraith, Kuva etc

And then Warframes just have Prime

Umbra isn’t another kind of variant alongside Prime, he’s just a Prime with a different “shell”

And also the special transference bolt but that goes without saying and again, wasn’t a variant thing

[lean garden]

"overwhelm us by screaming" pray tell how did you think the quest went down where you had to fight umbra in operator mode lol

[white lotus]

guys, can anyone? give me some materials for reading about the corpus in detail.

[mystic lynx]

Why is Stalker still beefing with us after we help him and Jade? Is he still a hater like pre Jade quest?

[pale cedar]

Ludonarrative dissonance

[mystic lynx]

Damn

[strange turtle]

unfortunately, Stalker took a break from the game to focus on raising his child and hasn’t caught up to the story enough to play Jade Shadows yet. He’s still trying to figure out why he’s green now

[brittle siren]

I mean he just push us out of the frame and we can't even dmg him

iirc

[lean garden]

utterly forgot the part of the quest where we face him without a warframe

[brittle siren]

and...? that does not disprove my point that 80% of the encounter he just overwhelm us

[digital grail]

He needs to pay for his child somehow

Booster seats are pricy

[stark arrow]

Gameplay wise not lore wise

[digital grail]

Wait when operator helped jade give birth did they feel what birth feels like

[tall echo]

Overwhelm is quite a strong word, he just pushes the op out of his mind, which any being capable of thought could do

[brittle siren]

isnt he push us out of the warframe too? and even if he did not do that, he is invincible until we use OP form to disabled his shield

[tall echo]

1. That is what I said
2. Ludonarrative dissonance and not related to him "overwhelming" us

[brittle siren]

you said "out of his mind" not out of our warframe

[tall echo]

He never ejects op out of their frame, only out of himself

[brittle siren]

also, being invincible and able to dmg us until we died, if that not overwhelming then what is. Thankfully he isn't immune to the void energy, and if any Tenno that not yet awaken, their frame is doom anyway

[tall echo]

English left the chat towards the end there

[tall echo]

See point 2 before the "and"

The fighting is more op trying to wear him out until he can be stunned, maybe by overloading him or smth

[brittle siren]

is it purely game mechanic though, because as far as I remember, he was roaming the Origin System for ages and not died once (before Natah shoot him). And although kinda unrelated, we could also "defeat" Stalker, yet he could not died either

[tall echo]

Actually the stun immunity until his shields are gone should've been included in his passive or smth

[tall echo]

He was imprisoned on lua until tsd

[brittle siren]

where did the game said he was stuck on Lua?

[tall echo]

You literally visit his cell during the sacrifice

[brittle siren]

we did?

I thought that was just Ballas lab

[tall echo]

Yes it's where the conveniently placed lore device is found

[rich stump]

Most likely yes

[brittle siren]

strange that thing is for Hunhow to read but somehow still in Ballas lab

[past halo]

Thinking about the Technocyte Coda made me think, how did On-Lyne think of their likenesses being turned into Techrot abominations?

[eager dragon]

Don't think they had much of a say or even knowledge to be honest

[digital grail]

Oh damn ow

[rose estuary]

If the man in the wall can take on the form of pretty much anyone why hasn’t he taken on the form of the lotus for example if he hasn’t already done that?

(Besides there not really being a narrative reason for him to really do that yet if he hasn’t already)

[pale cedar]

He sorta did in TNW

He used Operator form and put her helmet on

[stray herald]

I think wally has a bill cipher kind of deal where you need to accept him in order to have him become you

He did it with operator and rusalka

He could have started influencing lotus back in the new war, then his influence is starting to take effect in lotus eaters

I mean, at the end of the kalymos sequence (the quest, not the thing in 1999), the two wally clones of big al and operator have explicitly shown to have been targeting lotus

[lean garden]

do you know the meaning of overwhelm lol

Notice how he does not in "80% of the encounter" defeat us completely?

[lean garden]

That is thoroughly incorrect

he already appeared as albrecht and yonta, and neither of them made deals, and he appeared as baro before baro made a deal

[stray herald]

Right

[fallen fog]

*It also uses the nicknames given to drifter/operator and albrecht by their parents, not really related just an aside that Wally's built like that, just likes to mimic. If we take its duviri line "I could be your father..your lover. I can give the dead back their voice..."

[fallen iris]

Was nidus prime the first warframe?
Or was it nidus

[glacial bough]

Neither, Excalibur was the first

[digital grail]

Wait was he actually canonically

[brazen seal]

yes

[digital grail]

Yeah that makes sense

[tall echo]

It's a log of messages sent to hunhow

[vapid moon]

the helmith posted ts

[unborn sedge]

Glad I'm not the only one who hates it.

Like, please tell me I'm not the only one whose immersion was broken by this.

[digital grail]

Wdym?

[lean garden]

acting like the point of the sacrifice isnt that warframes were made from people

[unborn sedge]

Well, considering I'm calm, I'll try explaining this as calmly as I can.
Cause on one hand, I know the whole thing about Operators and their Warframes. I haven't reached that point in the story yet but I do know thanks from visiting TV Tropes too much.

What really sealed the deal for breaking my immersion was 1999's reveal. On one hand, sure, the whole thing of humans wearing armors based on various Warframes is cool and it reminds me of the Nanosuits from Crysis (which are already badass)...
But considering that Warframe LITERALLY ADVERTISES ITSELF with the "space ninja robot" aesthetic and the whole "Ninjas Play Free" tagline...I didn't want to play as a human, I want my Excal and that's all I need.

[digital grail]

They aren't wearing suits.....

[unborn sedge]

I don't care. I don't remember the exact terminology but I don't care. I saw a human "wearing" Excalibur (for lack of a better word, i'm so sorry i LITERALLY DON'T KNOW which word to use), I said "screw it".

I legit nearly become xenophobic over this. Considering my experience with Warframe before that, I clearly didn't want to deal with the game anymore.

[eager dragon]

But they are just Warframes with the transformation slowed down. It's still excalibur, just with a human face.

[hexed oxide]

The armor is growing from them, or more accurately they are being turned into frames

[unborn sedge]

I still didn't want to see this.

It's too late anyways considering how long ago 1999's reveal was.

[tall echo]

Seems like a really weird thing to get upsetti over

[hexed oxide]

Also it's been a very long time since frames stopped being "ninjas"

[unborn sedge]

Well, I haven't had the best experience with the game even before that and that's mostly due to my hyperactive imagination focusing on even the tiniest and most useless details, which ends up causing sleep deprivation.

Either way, 1999's reveal basically retroactively made me dread The Second Dream even though I already knew about the twist in that specific quest.
Let's just say that the rare times I even thought of how I'd imagine the Operator, my first instinct was to make 'em as ugly as I can out of spite.

[tall echo]

Consider that protos being part human was necessary for them to keep their sanity so they could be useful to entrati.
Also there had to be some way to repel wally with love and I doubt A would just make drifter make out with a random civilian

[brittle siren]

Do you know that protoframe is just warframe but they transformed much, much slower into fully flesh suit and also really painful

[unborn sedge]

I've been told, yeah. It doesn't change anything to my perception.

[lean garden]

Fellas, no amount of explanation is going to work on them

[tall echo]

I can't even begin to understand that perception

[digital grail]

Yeah some people just dont like DEs ideas i personally do

[unborn sedge]

Well, me neither! Even to me, I don't get how my mind works sometimes!

[hexed oxide]

Out of curiosity, how do you think excalibur is a space ninja ?

[lean garden]

I think its the "robot" section

because the protoframes would still very much fit under "space ninja" if you cross an eye

[brittle siren]

Excal is more samurai than ninja

[lean garden]

nevermind what happens in The Sacrifice...

[tall echo]

There's one actual ninja

[brittle siren]

Ash yeah

[digital grail]

Or knight if your picking from the name

[tall echo]

Well one stereotypical ninja

[brittle siren]

King not knight

[digital grail]

True

[brittle siren]

Excalibur literally Arthur sword

Wow that sound funny now

[tall echo]

I would love a historically accurate ninja frame

[hexed oxide]

They seemed fixated on the "space ninja/ninjas play free" advertisement warframe had, but from the first frames there were only one of them could arguably be considered a ninja

[tall echo]

(Note: not the sword from the stone)

[brittle siren]

Imagine Ash proto is a man from ninja cult

[unborn sedge]

Honestly, my first impression was that they were some kinda robots. That's about it.
I didn't think of the whole "Ninjas Play Free" tagline, I just saw cool "robots" and I downloaded despite being under 18 at the time of playing it on Switch back then.

[tall echo]

A realistic ninja frame would be hilarious

[digital grail]

When i finally connected the dots on proto excal being Arthur i chuckled a tiny bit (it took me to long)

[brittle siren]

Also funny that Excal exalted is more like a japanese katana

[digital grail]

I thought they were people in suits I was closer than I thought

[tall echo]

Also the narrator from bg3 being a voice in everyone's heads again

[unborn sedge]

But I still don't get how my mind even reacted like this cause at the same time...If these were just glorified suits of armor, I wouldn't have minded because armors are so damn cool!

So like...Ehhhhh...I dunno what's with my mind.

[brittle siren]

Look at Harrow proto, I think DE purposely make his back look more "painful" than the other

[tall echo]

Look at aoi's hands

[unborn sedge]

But honestly, considering previous cases of sleep deprivation I had over the game, I'm not complaining, if it makes me avoid the game more and more.

[digital grail]

I kinda hate and like the ex human techno organic super powerd meat puppets for traumatised children

[brittle siren]

Yeah but Harrow is his entire spine

[tall echo]

Your mind is like wally, incomprehensible

[brittle siren]

Tbh we now have actual human to talk with thanks to the implementation of protoframe

[hexed oxide]

Wdym "inconprehensible" ?

[tall echo]

Lose sleep over researching the lore, it's more fun

[unborn sedge]

No wonder I use the allegory of a television or radio to explain how it works...^^'

[hexed oxide]

What do you not understand about "XATA FASS XATA" ?

[tall echo]

Truth chaos truth

[hexed oxide]

Beautiful analogy from his part 😔

[brittle siren]

Btw what do you guy think a demon frame would have in his kit

[hexed oxide]

Fire and chains, lots

[tall echo]

Would be a shame to lose a player due to a weird mind though, the game is great

[brittle siren]

This kinda remind me in Phineas and Ferb, there is 1 ep that Doof is out of space and his echo was mix with "cookie" in between

[digital grail]

Hating an idea that's been around since dark sector is crazy (I mean proto frames not the trauma balls in human flesh)

[hexed oxide]

Saw a player quit because the game did not explain how to regain health

They were on saya's vigil too

[digital grail]

WHAT

[brittle siren]

Iirc it does show you to pick up red orb no 💀

[unborn sedge]

I just can't control it, my mind's been like this for the better part of a decade or so.
And like I said, sometimes I don't even get how it works regarding this or that.

Again, I know the Warframes aren't "robots" and all, there's also the Operators...
But it never bothered me until I first saw Arthur during 1999's reveal. Even though it's absolutely NOT the same kinda thing.

[tall echo]

The most valid quits I've seen were the ones that got filtered by tnw being a skill check

[hexed oxide]

I think the new strange is the first real skill check

[brittle siren]

Tbh just say that you prefer "faceless" character than one that have human face

[hexed oxide]

But then again i saw and heard ppl complain about mining being too difficult snd complex

[eager dragon]

In what unviverse was the New War a skill check. Or did they nerf it post release? (Grinds like the Necramech not counting)

[brittle siren]

Because all Warframe does not have human face features

[hexed oxide]

Very little frames even have "eyes", like mirage

[tall echo]

It actually requires some skill to get through

[unborn sedge]

It's moreso like when you have a badass character in an entire suit of armor...
Then when they finally remove their helmet or mask, they just look absolutely generic.

[eager dragon]

"Skill" as in roll to dodge and occasionally press 3.

[tall echo]

Goblin slayer moment

[brittle siren]

Yeah I get it, I do prefer faceless frame, but I do not hate them with human head on

[hexed oxide]

Veko's jackal fight

[brittle siren]

Veso quest when

[tall echo]

And aim

[unborn sedge]

But even just playing the game without going for the story is painful because of constantly hearing the Lotus as she was one of the reasons why I had a nasty case of sleep deprivation way back then.
I still remembered her voice very clearly despite not playing for a few years.

[hexed oxide]

I wish we could have proto frame heads on other skins

Eleanor with the nemesis skin

[unborn sedge]

In fact, I remember the Grineer's various death screams just as well.

[eager dragon]

To be honest the Teko section was more understanding what to do than anything else. I did struggle on the electric part though, not gonna lie, didn't even think of using the shield drone

[brittle siren]

Why ppl spelling his name wrong 😭

[hexed oxide]

Whose ?

[eager dragon]

You can disable alot of the transmissions

[brittle siren]

Teko is not even close

[eager dragon]

Oh, right, sorry

[brittle siren]

Veso

[eager dragon]

I meant Veto

[hexed oxide]

Joking, alad did the same 😭

[digital grail]

The protos aren't generic

[brittle siren]

But Teko is not even close 💀

[hexed oxide]

Called him 4 different names in less than 2 minutes

[digital grail]

Arthur ig is he is just John warframe

[proper crow]

Man, I miss Vega, he was cool

[hexed oxide]

That'd be hayden tenno imo

[brittle siren]

Btw nice pfp

[unborn sedge]

Well, considering I'm focusing ONLY on Arthur when it comes to whatever I can remember of 1999's reveal...

Yeeeeeeah, it's like he basically became my nemesis.

[tall echo]

Are you. Not aware of the community meme

[proper crow]

Thanks, gift of a friend of mine

[tall echo]

That's the name of my first lich

Vega taniss

[digital grail]

So you cant even remember what he looks like

[proper crow]

Mine was kubird hoss I think

[digital grail]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-arthur-typing-typing-fast-gif-7776421255537450874

[brittle siren]

I love him that's why 😭

[unborn sedge]

I do, but why would I bother?

[tall echo]

Vega taniss got butchered by the crew rework a while ago, never was the same since

[digital grail]

If your gonna hate atleast know what your hating

[tall echo]

I miss vega taniss

[unborn sedge]

Just because he's voiced by Ben Starr doesn't mean I should like his existence.

[brittle siren]

Also on call Liches need rework because they are so useless

Especially Coda one

[tall echo]

You could try to convince your mind to be less angry about everything

[hexed oxide]

I just want to get a zeke coda to scare noobs

[brittle siren]

Or idk just do all 1999 quest and ignore all of it

Tau is coming anyway

[unborn sedge]

It's easier said than done, with how it's been disillusioned by it.

[proper crow]

Good luck ignoring all of 1999 though, because its likely going to become important later

[tall echo]

Therapy, medication? Genuinely suggesting, not trying to be mean

[unborn sedge]

I have a therapist but other than that...Eh. Whatever she says, I put in the back of my mind.

[lean garden]

Given what got them mad in the first place, theyre not making it past the Sacrifice

[unborn sedge]

Oh don't worry, people told me about the Sacrifice on Twitter...Regarding that I should at least play it.

[brittle siren]

I mean beside the quest, the other is just side stuff

It optional

[eager dragon]

Getting spoiled about quests is so unfortunate.

[unborn sedge]

I do have a few friends playing Warframe but honestly, it's not easy for me to go and say "Hey, wanna play some Warframe?" when I usually play games for the story...unless I'm afraid of continuing it.
(at least no one is forcing me to do so, like what happened in another game)

[eager dragon]

I would know, I spoiled myself on everything pre-New War

(Since it hadn't come out at the time)

[proper crow]

Yeah, but it's still neat for lore and actually giving drifter a personality. I miss being able to have more convos outside birthdays

[brittle siren]

For lore enthusiasts hard yes

But for this guy, I think he should skip it

[digital grail]

Then play the story maybe you'll like what your refusing to try

[unborn sedge]

REFUSING TO TRY BECAUSE OF A STUPID TWINK YEAH

....Sorry, had to let that out.

[tall echo]

...that's not how therapy is supposed to be done

[proper crow]

I was lucky enough to play with a group that didn't spoil me on anything. I got to see pretty much all of the game for the first time. Second dream is a core memory.

[tall echo]

If you hate the game so much over a strawman then just quit tbh

[proper crow]

Part of a therapist is to listen and apply it to your life, if you're not doing that, then a therapist isn't effective.

[unborn sedge]

I don't hate the game. ...I just don't want to face the facts.

[digital grail]

What twink?

[tall echo]

You sure seem to hate it tho

[proper crow]

The facts are there, and are going to stare you in the face until you accept them.

[unborn sedge]

And if it ends up backfiring really harshly on me?

[tall echo]

Quit, find something else, burn the strawman

[proper crow]

Well, that would end up having been your problem. You're shooting yourself in the foot by just not allowing yourself to have fun

[digital grail]

Get up deal with it and go

I'm trying not to sound rude

I'm failing i can tell

[unborn sedge]

Frankly, I have a reason to be scared because I could end up getting some nasty sleep deprivation, if it doesn't leave my mind.

[proper crow]

I'm also not trying to be rude either I'm just pretty blunt when it comes to these things

[tall echo]

I gave up on that now bc it needs to much brain cell activity to keep up

[proper crow]

Insomnia? Or something else

[digital grail]

I never said I was succeeding i am very passive aggressive i think

[tall echo]

I strawman hate ds3 but at least my strawman has some semi good reasoning behind it

[proper crow]

I forget what does the term for strawman mean again?

[digital grail]

What's ds3?

[tall echo]

Dark souls 3

[digital grail]

Ah

I dont have strong opinions on any souls or souls likes

[tall echo]

To make up something to be upset at/about

I'm using it slightly incorrectly here tbf

[digital grail]

This sounds more like a medical problem than a warframe one

[tall echo]

I like all fromsoft games but ds3 tries to combine bloodborne enemies(aggressive and fast) with ds1 player control(slow)

[proper crow]

Oh that would probably be even worse for the strength builds huh

[digital grail]

Oh pain

[tall echo]

I got walled by an area with enemies that just don't stop attacking and I couldn't interrupt them bc either my weapon is too slow or it doesn't do enough poise dmg

[unborn sedge]

I still blame it on the game since, well, it's cause of the Lotus and the Grineer.
(And heck, I even nearly didn't sleep well because of the FRICKING BOY BAND)

[proper crow]

Ouch, reminds me of the royal Revenant in ER

[unborn sedge]

I DUNNO ANYTHING ABOUT THE BOY BAND AND I STILL DIDN'T SLEEP WELL-

[tall echo]

Try using an aoe heal near them

[hexed oxide]

What's wrong with the boy band ? My parents met at one of their concerts during the 90's

[digital grail]

Its set in the 90s of course theres a boy band but no that sounds medical

[proper crow]

Hah..haha.. I was a strength Faith dragon incantation build

I'm aware of that but it's just not beneficial

[tall echo]

Faith is the stat for the aoe heal spells

[unborn sedge]

I really didn't think it was even medical. I just thought it was because of my hyperactive imagination being the way it is.

[tall echo]

It's not because of the game, it's because of your mind

[proper crow]

Yeah, but id also rather not swap out all of my invocations JUST to deal with one particular enemy.

[tall echo]

Just swap out one, there's no way you don't have one replacable incant

[digital grail]

Ok medical is probably an overstatement

[proper crow]

I do, it comes down to character flavor too. I'll just struggle with them, that freaking flurry attack they do be damned.

[unborn sedge]

As if I wanted that to happen.
And yet I don't do anything cause my mind being like this is why I'm so creative.

I want to enjoy the game but all of this mess is basically not allowing me to.

[iron tiger]

Did the grineer during the orokin era have technology designed with less efficient processes than that of the orokin. Like did the orokin intentionally under develop their technology?

[tall echo]

There's prob a way to only get rid of the negative aspects

[unborn sedge]

I mean, I know people with ADHD have their medication...But I'm not officially diagnosed with it.

I don't even know if it IS a form of ADHD.

[digital grail]

You should probably try get a diagnosis

[lean garden]

Orokin Era grineer used orokin tech, the Grineer tech the Grineer use now its their own development, and hence why its subpar

[proper crow]

At some point, unless you can potentially actually work on stuff and find medication or find a compromise, it sounds like you just might have to cut your losses for your own health's sake.

If the game gives you sleep deprivation, it's not healthy for you.

[tall echo]

It sounds like it. I know some adhd folk and they have some kinda similar issues off meds

But I'm also not a professional

[proper crow]

Yeah ADHD is a pain, I've been diagnosed myself

[unborn sedge]

It's kinda funny actually cause I CAN tone it down if I focus hard enough on whatever I'm doing... 😅

So like, I could literally play the game if I focused hard enough on it, without everything else around it bothering me.

[proper crow]

I could be wrong and I am by no means a medical professional, but what you're describing to me sounds like overstimulation

[chrome frost]

oi fellas i wanted to ask something rather silly...do yall think that the entrati family can leave the flowers or are they more like worms connected to 1 large pile of infested flesh like tentacles of an octopus?

grandmother has some voicelines that suggest that they can move freely

[iron tiger]

But orokin era grineer tech looks a bit different from the tech we see in say lua wouldn’t you say?

It looks strikingly similar to modern grineer tech

[lean garden]

The Zariman looks different from Lua's own embellishments and its also orokin tech

[iron tiger]

That’s a very good point

[lean garden]

not the weapons

and we have seen orokin era grineer dropships

similar look, but you can tell where the grineer lack

[iron tiger]

Do you believe that the Dax had ships dissimilar to grineer ships the same way that the Tenno ships have a completely different look to them

[lean garden]

I dont know what ships the dax would have, perhaps we'd see some in Old Peace

[iron tiger]

They were probably given the derelicts tbh

Makes the most sense

[digital grail]

Orokin tech looking different makes sense depending on who made it and what its for and when its made

[chrome frost]

....derelicts? as in those giant structures in space?

[proper crow]

Yeah they probably wouldn't want to waste a lot of their actual materials on foot soldiers and such

[iron tiger]

The infested ones yes

[proper crow]

A lot of the orokin design that we see is probably meant to be fairly high to middle orokin class

[chrome frost]

oh i thought you meant the derelicts from railjack missions at venus proxima

[iron tiger]

Perhaps belric and rania were dax too

[iron tiger]

Actually they were probably in there too

[chrome frost]

i think that those two were archimedeans

basically orokin scientists, thats why they had a warframe assigned to them to be their bodyguard

[iron tiger]

Went to the wiki you are correct

[iron tiger]

Since you seem knowledgeable bau, was the Zariman a colony or military ship?

[lean garden]

colony

like indubitably a colony ship

[iron tiger]

But in the lore didn’t someone complain about children on a military ship?

[lean garden]

like they had no weapons save for ceremonial

[lean garden]

even in that entry alone its reasonable to believe that someone is lying about it being a military ship

[chrome frost]

Either way i do believe that the orokin wouldnt waste resources on their troups seeing them as lesser as well as thinking that they wont rebel, only giving the "fancy toys" to those whom they actually felt threatened by thus heres how the aircrafts would go:
Orokin (elites and or archimedeans)-fancy golden ships with all the comforts and a bunch of bodyguards be it dax or not

The Void devils (tenno/warframes)-not as fancy, still comfortable, good looking, essentially the same thing but without gold

The footsoldiers (dax/grineer)-literally only seats, all look the same, no comforts

so yeah the only ones who i think have distinct aircrafts/weapons would be the tenno, high ranking servants of the orokin and the orokin themselves

[eager dragon]

It was called a military ship to cover up the incident

After it failed

[lean garden]

"Who broke protocol? Who put kids on a military ship?"
"We didnt break protocol :D"
is how that exchange goes in the Ember Prime codex, there is only one way to interpret the type of ship the zariman was from that statement

[iron tiger]

Ahhhhhh

That makes a lot of sense

Thanks for clarifying

[limber prism]

That is a sentence and a half I thought I’d never hear

[chrome frost]

im asking questions because they move around

[limber prism]

I know it’s just…it creates a wild image in my head

[chrome frost]

meh its either they all have snake like bodies deeper in those fleshy flowers or their bodies go all the way down to a central infested mass

[silk atlas]

My crack theory on how they'll justify giving us loot for Tau if it still involves going through Lotus's memories is via Aya

[tall echo]

Funnier would be that we just put them somewhere in OS to retrieve them now

[strange plinth]

they did give us the quincy convo about storing stuff in aya just before this

[strange plinth]

a surprise tool that'll help me later

[silk atlas]

I'm just imagining Operator freaking out during the whole connection stuff while Loid looks at a large computer thing in shock as it slowly prints out a scratched light blue Aya symbol lmao

[silk escarp]

isn't the bulk of it simply the orokin era kit that's fallen into disrepair and they simply patched up back together over the centuries with further degrading efficacy?

[lean garden]

logistically it would be impossible to properly supply a constantly growing clone army if you repeatedly reused gear

but also as we can see from grineer weapons, thats not repaired orokin tech

thats raw grineer

[silk escarp]

ah

fair enough

[sly pagoda]

The Grakata is a fine example, simple rugged and high fire rate.

[hexed oxide]

what exactly are the grineer's plans ?

[sly pagoda]

Not the most accurate but when you spam out 300 lancers with them…

[hexed oxide]

solving clone rot was on the list but idk if it's anymore since regor died

[misty salmon]

Serve the Queen(s)

[tall echo]

Control

[shut lantern]

Probably still is, only they aren’t making progress as much since they lost his research and mind

[peak ether]

Solar domination

[proper crow]

The grineer's current plans are pretty much just continuing the Orokin plan of total solar domination and Dominion

Right down to employing continuity

[sly pagoda]

Given the physical state of lots of things in the system i would not be shocked if reversal of it is completely impossible at this point.

The equipment simply may no longer be viable. Given how many of their facilities seem to be in high disrepair.

[proper barn]

Well only the Queens who where orokin

But also Outcasts cuz they where twins.

[proper crow]

Yeah. Still doesn't change the fact that the entirety of the grineer system is pretty much built on Orokin star system subjugation/ exploitation of resources to the point of destruction.

[iron tiger]

Why is warframe lore kept so vague and in a bad way too

IMO

[proper barn]

I think it's vague in a good way and is great when we actually go into it in quests and such.

[proper crow]

I like how vague Warframe's story is because it allows you to feel like you're piecing together parts of forgotten History, that said... The way we find out the lore bits is a bit annoying

[next scroll]

warframe story telling is very inconsistent, its vague at times and very direct at other times so it can be a bit jarring, but i think it works if you dive into it, hard for a more casual audience tho.

[proper crow]

Namely all the things you have to scan

[iron tiger]

That’s why we have Helios

But ngl it’d be cool if we got lore from spy missions in the star chart

[proper crow]

Yeah... Which requires even more scanning before you can even start doing the scanning 😒

It's just kind of messy all around

[iron tiger]

Do quests really take up that many resources I feel like non quest updates look like they have more done in them

This doesn’t really count but angels of the Zariman quest was lackin but that update itself was fire

[tall echo]

The quest was just a glorified tutorial tbh

And then they made it pointless by having the holdfasts explain what to do every. single. time.

[humble sierra]

Same for Whispers, but at least the story was actually advancing there

with Angels, it was mostly just focused on the Angels themselves, which, so far, seems like a contained threat

[normal mountain]

I mean, the Angels are contained
But do we really want to risk things like that getting loose in the rest of the System?

[limber prism]

Angels of Zariman was more or less just a precursor to Duviri

Otherwise it had no bearing on the overall story other than to serve as a place of our greatest traumas

Btw, I had a thought. It’s always been discussed to death who would win in a fight, Guardians or Tenno. But a more important question…why? Why would they be fighting in the first place?

Realistically they’d ironically be good allies for each other

[limber prism]

I killed #lore-discussion

Long live the king.

[strange plinth]

for now
i'm sure there will be someone with a question soon
i know nothing about the guardians so i'm not able to answer yours lol

[burnt storm]

Steve is Dr. Entrati.

[sly pagoda]

I would somewhat feel sorry for any enemy that had to fight guardians and tenno at the same time.

Especially since there would be no counter. You can take away an area’s light(darkness zone). But given the Tenno are tied to the darkness of the void. It might make them more powerful.

Now why would they fight? The guardians want to be managed be DE instead of Bungie so they no longer have guns randomly disappearing to the vault. 😉

[brittle siren]

how much is grey on the scale of 2-7

[strange plinth]

yeah

[brittle siren]

bad joke

[feral cape]

You cant even take away an areas light darkness zones just make it a little tougher like punching through water even the vault of glass a functionally impenetrable fortress that all of time converges on where the vex are basically god even the light can still strike a wound into there because thats just how team diagurren rolls

[feral cape]

Turn child into gun

[stray herald]

The old peace demo makes me question the sentients’ motives in the old war. We were told that the sentients evolved to rebel the orokin bc of how they were capable of destroying environments, more of less in conflict with their original purpose.

The old peace is theorised to take place before the old war and might be the event that catalyzed the war.

What if the old war broke out bc the sentients no longer wished to conform to orokin society and be treated as inferiors. The ‘death’ of adis, the tauron student. He could be the martyr that called other sentients into action

The environment part might have been their metaphor for the orokin as pollution

[modern steppe]

they didn't evolved to rebel because of their capability to terraform

they "realized" the consequences of fully realizing the Orokins plan

[stray herald]

They did evolve to gain sentience

[proper crow]

Exactly. They pretty much realized the ramifications that would happen, and decided to try and fight back

[modern steppe]

there's also confirmation or at least heavy support that the Old Peace was during the war, by lead writer Adrian Bott

Adrian Bott: "...But I think even players who are very well-versed in the lore and have assembled everything up to now and have a really clear grasp of the timeline, I doubt any of them would have expected the idea of a temporary ceasefire and a peace in the middle of The Old War, which is what we’re looking at here."

[stray herald]

Dang, temporary peace

Guess that orokin anarch just didnt like befriending the enemy

Not bc sentients are just robots to be used and thrown away

Imagine she becomes the fungus frame and we get to see the priming starting process

Wait, is the fungi a protoframe?

[proper crow]

Not confirmed

It's likely that the protoframe will probably be Uriel, the devil Warframe, as he's arriving in the same update as the other two.

But again not confirmed.

[stray herald]

Rlly think uriel is just the stalker situation where his mind is still there

[proper crow]

Maybe

[hybrid silo]

What is the difference between Exploiter orb and profit taker orb?

[stray herald]

Different bosses entirely

Thermia for exploiter, profit taker is haha funny credit boss farm

[tall echo]

One collects thermia the other is used as a threat

[hybrid silo]

Lorewise not gameplay

[tall echo]

Also exploiter destroyed the original fortuna, deck 12

[brazen seal]

so third orb will only happen when profit taker destroy the current fortuna ?

[lean garden]

They really wouldnt, at least, the guardians who actually act like guardians wouldnt

[tall echo]

I don't think poilet taper was made bc deck 12 got deleted

[fallen iris]

So is teshin ||dead||??

I mean he’s chilling in duviri

[modern steppe]

That’s him

[strange turtle]

It’s confirmed on the website or somewhere

[proper crow]

I forget if it's explained if duviri Teshin is just.. Alternate universe teshin or not

[bright temple]

It’s the same Teshin

[misty salmon]

Fairly certain it's "normal universe" Teshin, who got tossed in and literally fell from the sky into Duviri

[proper crow]

Uh

Okay that isn't the weirdest thing

When and where???

How???

[misty salmon]

getting tossed in I think was New War, somewhere around when Ballas was taking out his trash by giving it to Wally

[bright temple]

When Teshin gets knocked into the void rift at the start of New War after getting the Narmer Veil, he winds up in Duviri

[misty salmon]

time being somewhat wonky when things cross into the void, I think he actually dropped into Duviri some time before the Lotus' hand arrived.

[proper crow]

Ah right wouldn't that add another layer of Wally being pissed off at the Orokin for missing fingies, so they set up a domino effect to kill them

[misty salmon]

Scholar's Landing lore from the Duviri set describes Teshin's arrival as he "fell from the sky into the lake on the island we now call Hermit's Landing"

and that he both made a full recovery, but also aged which the Duviri folk found rather strange.

then it goes on to provide info on Albrect's trip into Duviri

[brittle siren]

Wally is not gonna do anything to Galactus 😭 (when he is not hungry)

Also this is interesting
https://fixupx.com/triburos/status/1949150973265351016?s=46&t=5XSoAshUqsO-YG_gq2tB3Q

Triburos (@Triburos)

First time I've ever shared this I think;
︀︀
︀︀In my old 2018 Phantasma vid, during the opening Captura shot, something on a distant walkway spawns on one end & *QUICKLY* runs to the other end
︀︀
︀︀I was alone during that session
︀︀
︀︀Never saw it again & AFAIK no one else has seen it either

Quoting 4MOR (@4MORI4N)
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FixupX · Jul 26, 2025, 4:53 PM

https://youtu.be/Vk5huVshEuM?si=aESWLdmX6DqEIH_i

Sth really running in that captura scene

[hushed talon]

Yeah, Glactcus' abilities only really work if he doesnt starve. Wally, although is mainly an eldritch god and doesnt need food. I dont think he can really do much other than manipulate time and reality, which is on the same as Galactus. Also bearing in mind, we wouldnt know how the Void would damage Glacatus, as its more of an Anti-matter.

[restive river]

Wally’s not a god
And so long as Wally is in the void Galactus likely can’t do much

Emotions and void mix
So
Big feeling of hunger could just make big problems

Also goodluck touching Wally

[hushed talon]

Yeah, you could probably spawn something deadly. Even that or the void just conjure idk like a Steak? XD

[strange plinth]

eleanor has a convo about that doesn't she
or a mention at least
something like "would it conjure a hungry wolf, or a banquet to feed you"

[lean garden]

Plus like the critical thing about Galactus is that he's prime marvel marketing

[hushed talon]

Well from what we have experienced, probably the hungry wolf. But you never know.

[lean garden]

like Galactus isnt here to fight, he's here to make everything fighting him look good

[restive river]

Depends if you have enough control over the concepts and emotions in your head

[hushed talon]

Idk, maybe his galactus telepathy. He'd be more likely to conjeur a steak, thats if he'd be lucky enough to get into the void anyways.

Bearing in mind, the void is practically like, infinite. Wally, since its been in the void since its, idk inception? It could probably travel far enough away from galactus.

[restive river]

Thing is
Galactus may starve in the void if he can’t ce anything

Even if he does who knows how nutritious it’d be
Though the Drifter survived off it so it should be fine

Heck it could be Galactus gets there, is thinking about eating planets and he just keeps eating
Forever
Dude would just be satiated and beaten

[hushed talon]

Yeah he would be.

[feral cape]

Worf

Oh he has the vault of glass as a causal weapon thats certainly interesting

[feral cape]

He might just eat the void because apparently he can just eat planes of existence

Or in this case plates of existence ill be here all night

[restive river]

Wouldn’t satiate him much depending on when he gets in there

[frosty latch]

i'm confused , when is tau?

who are the tenno we saw in tau, and how did they get there?

[lean garden]

real tau is coming in 2026

we're going to memory tau in the Old Peace come Winter 2025

[lean garden]

that is You, and you got there during the Old War, during a time that would be called the Old Peace

[pulsar flax]

So, it's jut gonna be a glorified quest, like that 1999 demo thing or is it gonna have actual content to it?

[lean garden]

no clue, but based on the mission picker, its going to have content

also 1999 also has content lmao

[pulsar flax]

I mean the 1999 demo thing, like it showed like what 5mins of it, before it went back to the quest itself, mb

[lean garden]

Oh the Old Peace? its not going to be like the 1999 Demo, its more likely to be closer to how the actual 1999 came out

what we saw in Tennocon was the standard ~30 minute demo of the quest

which means that the actual thing is longer than 30 minutes

(or rather 23 minutes as the video time showed)

[pulsar flax]

Ahh okay, cuz like if it's just a glorified quest and we don't get to stay at Tau's Moon as a place (like 1999) then what's the point of the update besides "yo check this out in 2026"

[strange plinth]

at worst, memory tau will be only accessible in the quest, but it'll be the whole quest
but its safe to assume we get regular access to memory tau after

[lean garden]

we dont have enough information, but they did include a mission selector in the Demo, and our 6th focus school is supposed to be tied to it, so I imagine its more than just a quest

[pulsar flax]

Maybe, but eh I use Drifter so it seems it's a Operator quest only and well, my Op looks well, like a default char from the CC menu 😅

[lean garden]

well the good news is that the operator visuals rework is also coming in the Old Peace

[misty salmon]

it's coming with an Op glow up, so everybody's probably going to be mucking with their Op looks anyway.

[pulsar flax]

Oh hex, really?

[misty salmon]

or very surprised when they run it

[pulsar flax]

Ehh, still even if they do improve it, Drifter is kinda my go to, considering he's a adult and all, so maybe they'll allow you to use your Drifter?

[lean garden]

Eh, given the nature of the quest, I think this is operator only

because the Drifter never lived the Old War

[pulsar flax]

Sadly, so I guess I can just cover the face or is it gonna be one of them issues where (you must see the face) in like half of the quests in the game?

[pale cedar]

They might’ve if you consider the Sentients came first info we got recently

[pulsar flax]

I can only hope lol, cuz no matter how good they try to make it, the Op will always be a child (Yes I know I sound like Teshin)

[lean garden]

They wouldnt lmao

[strange plinth]

drifter still would've been lost in the void/duviri at the time, no?

[lean garden]

^

[pale cedar]

DE also try keeping it as player choice as possible

[pulsar flax]

I mean, the only thing I can consider, is keeping my male Drifter but make the Op, female, so in some weird way, can be a daughter? (Cuz you can do that btw, Have separates)

[lean garden]

Like the Zariman critically misses the start of the Old War

[lean garden]

well, wouldnt be a daughter since theyre the same person

[pale cedar]

1999 and Duviri were the exceptions

[swift sentinel]

I mean, that can be your headcanon, but the narative will always bring up that they are duplicates.

[pulsar flax]

No but I can make it my headcannon xD

[pale cedar]

Operator is only female for trailer stuff

[pulsar flax]

But eh, we'll see I guess in like Dec when the update comes out

[brittle siren]

I hope that even memory section will let us play like 1999

[brittle siren]

Also in that demo in particular they want to showcase the appearance rework

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[pulsar flax]

I hope so, cuz the update will kinda be a flop, all we're porb gonna get is a Focus rework (that still applies to Drifter), new outfits (that still applies to Drifter) and maybe better faces, but likewise (that still applies to Drifter)

And then a few weapons and that's that

[brittle siren]

Unless the void proceed to create stuff for him to eat, otherwise yeah he would be starve

[pale cedar]

I don’t get why they’re only fixing Operator face tbh considering how messy male Drifter faces are

[swift sentinel]

Dev time is finite

[brittle siren]

Probably just tease for OP since demo only OP memory

[swift sentinel]

Operator is older and needs an update more

[brittle siren]

Drifter may get the rework too

[swift sentinel]

Eventually

[strange plinth]

drifter is not getting a visual rework/overhaul yet

[pale cedar]

Nah they said Drifter isn’t apart of the face rework

[pulsar flax]

Yeah and if it's a rework, it will apply to the Drifter, cuz when you 1st do the quest of Old War (or whatever it's called) your Drifter copies your face

[brittle siren]

Not really no

[swift sentinel]

It just picks the same labelled faces, it's not really that close

[pale cedar]

Drifter and Operator faces are visibly different

[pulsar flax]

Werid, cuz when I did the quest the 1st time it had it match to match, besides the hair

[brittle siren]

Also do you guy think more Sentient weapon would appear in Old Peace

[swift sentinel]

It's probably a decent place for some new Sentient themed weapons

[pale cedar]

Drifter is older so an older face

[pulsar flax]

Anyhow, I wanted to drop by and see what's good, peace 👌

[brittle siren]

Also DE is going with the path "we are alone in this universe" theory since there is no hint of any other intelligent life form that not made by human

I have copium that at the end of Tau in 2026 we would get some hint but that probably never gonna happen

[pale cedar]

I hope Tau 2026 isn’t just we go there once and just leave

[brittle siren]

Very unlikely that we abandon Tau after coming there

[swift sentinel]

There'll probably be a narrative reason we stick around. There's normally something to justify the grind

[brittle siren]

I mean the Drifter stayed at 1999, it would make sense for some form of "home base" on Tau too

[brittle siren]

Imagine animal crossing playstyle in the main base of Tau

Also from Tau teaser seem like Orokin or the Sentient already inhabit the big planet

Also why there's orokin language marking on the ring of that planet

[swift sentinel]

Massive vanity project just like the Orokin

[lean garden]

well for starters

I dont think thats orokin script

[brittle siren]

Oh

[modern steppe]

what Orokin script

[lean garden]

It doesnt look like it has enough components to be orokin script

[swift sentinel]

Also, if you mean those red light, it doesn't look like 'civilization' lights to me

[lean garden]

the red lines in the back

[modern steppe]

that is not Orokin script 🥀

[brittle siren]

It have kinda circular shape though

[modern steppe]

looks more like Sentient energy barriers or whatever

[brittle siren]

Also we don't know what the Sentient build after Old War

[lean garden]

Oh yknow what they look like

from the warframe art book

[swift sentinel]

The demo takes place an and around a moon, that big thing in the back is probably the main planet

[brittle siren]

And from the looks of it, it has at least 3 moons

[swift sentinel]

4, counting the one the view is from. There;s two right in the middle and one by the rings.

[quiet canopy]

Hmmm, can someone maybe clarify how protoframes fit into the lore of the warframes? Like for the Hex there is a massive time gap between when they lived and when the Warframes were first conceived, so I am a bit confused as to wether they factor into the development of warframes or are just huamns given warframe powers via the infestation.

[strange plinth]

albrecht took existing batches of helmith back to 1999 to create the protos
they are all lost to time and do not influence the development of warframes

[stray herald]

The hex members ppl that became warframes thx to big al time traveling

I hamv stronk

Except flare

Flare hibernated in a meteor and rebelled with the rest of the tenno in the night of the naga drums

[strange plinth]

||they hide out on a comet in their good ending||
which still doesn't impact the development of warframes

[stray herald]

For now, they dont

[quiet canopy]

Huh, really need to play Techrot Encore for the full context

[stray herald]

Since the old peace is bringing new protoframes, and uriel’s vague connections to big al, and all that

[quiet canopy]

I do wonder if we'll see drifter go into the future alongside the operator

[strange plinth]

i doubt they'd change that now, though
they've avoided bootstraps n all that with the previous two groups

[strange turtle]

Most likely not rn

[pale cedar]

They can’t really do that

[strange turtle]

The drifter’s got a lot of focus recently, and yeah what Nemesis posted, plus the Tau stuff is very much personally connected to the Operator

[quiet canopy]

Ah, so both of them going to the old piece time period would not jive with existence, got it

[strange turtle]

They’re not going to the Old Peace

[strange plinth]

reliving memories, not going there