lore-discussion

[iron tiger]

The Tenno are more than just warriors - Arbiters of hexis meanwhile the Tenno:

[analog glade]

only a 0.4% drop chance? its grinding time bois.

[limber prism]

Though guardians do have one thing that the Tenno don’t

Guardians have turned more god-like beings into guns than tenno have

[stiff fable]

good multiplayer?

[lilac aspen]

“Tenno, we need you to invade Terra to kill the Emperor of Mankind.”

“I dunno Lotus, I don’t wanna fight those Space Marines and the remaining Prima-“

“He has a 10% chance to drop platinum.”

“The Golden Corpse will die”

[stiff fable]

eh, we killed all the Orokin before we got to that point

[iron tiger]

You don’t need a god as a weapon when you are the god

[proper barn]

also to this i would say the orokin could have had more super weapons that where just hacked.

[limber prism]

One of the worst fates is fighting Slaanesh. She’ll just keep sending off to get new loot and getting strong

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[stiff fable]

actually funny story, one reason Hunhow wants Natah away from the Tenno is that the Tenno want to carve up Sentient bones for weapons

[limber prism]

I mean, fair

[stiff fable]

Sooo actually no! Tenno still win that one

[iron tiger]

The golden spear natah mentioned perhaps?

[limber prism]

But that is super ancient technology, not gods.

[lilac aspen]

“I will not fall for your trick.”

“New Update.”

“Shit”

[proper barn]

i assumed that was just the name of the fleet.

[stiff fable]

the difference is EXTREMELY blurred in Warframe

[limber prism]

True

Wally is likely the closest in terms of power to some entities guardians have faced

Closest example I can give is the Witness, but the Witness was at the least corporal. Wally is not

[stiff fable]

what with the literally coming back from the dead, biblically accurate Warframes, and actual immortals who don't die when they're killed

[iron tiger]

I wonder if we can turn mimic bones into amps and just have like giant maprico shooting energy out

[analog glade]

I can see sevagoth surviving a nuke, just to turn into his shadow, slay a few people who survives, and just respawning.

[lilac aspen]

The annoying thing of Warframes is they’re very capable of getting killed

It’s just Helminth casually vomiting more out/repairing any that aren’t vaporized

[brazen seal]

planet get evaporated
revenant: -1 charge

[iron tiger]

Didn’t ordis litterally chop some orokin in half and they started laughing at him?

[misty salmon]

Ordis, I could use my arcwing

[humble sierra]

yep

[stiff fable]

He did it to an entire birthday party-worth of them!

And Ballas came to mock him in person for it

[humble sierra]

They liked it so much they offered to make him one of them too, I think

[stiff fable]

that was before

[humble sierra]

ah

[lilac aspen]

That’s the major reason why the Tenno kinda inevitably defeated the Sentients

Not only did they bring weapons the Sentients couldn’t just take and merge with, but they were practically endless compared to them

You waste an army of Sentients to bring down one warframe and it just casually returns a day later fresh from the Helminth

[stiff fable]

He was their pet attack dog and wiped out a few cities for them

[humble sierra]

Mass murder, Offer, attemped murder, then Cephalon, gotcha

[limber prism]

I actually do want to mention something. While Warframes are super strong and all that, the enemies we fight aren’t exactly the end all of the universe. Corpus, Grineer, Sentients, and Wally are strong yeah, but it’s not exactly like Time traveling robots that managed to terraform an entire world into a time travel simulation engine, a empire of rhino people who blow up planets for fun, scavengers that managed to hack any and all techninology, a murder crusade led by shrimp monsters, literal zombies, spooky scary black and white ghosts, and finally creatures made of darkness that were shaped out of a godlike being that was made via ritual sacrifice of its entire species by digging around in the guts of a God

[stiff fable]

The old "kill one person you're a murderer, kill a thousand and you're a hero" deal

[stiff fable]

sooo I will point out that the average grineer we fight could rip a 40K space marine in half

[limber prism]

huh?

[stiff fable]

yeah

[limber prism]

Where the hell is that coming from?

[stiff fable]

early numbers the devs gave about forces involved

[limber prism]

Like from when the game first launched back in 2013 lore or recent lore?

[lilac aspen]

Oh shit
I was about to say

If actual numbers are involved this changes things

[stiff fable]

waaay back in 2013

back when Hayden was the first Tenno

we're talking single digit devstream eras

[analog glade]

DE are 40k fans too

[limber prism]

That might have been retconned over the last couple of years

[iron tiger]

Wdym, the infested are literally hivemind zombies that can infect robots and minerals. iirc they have 4th dimensional brains too

[stiff fable]

....that is actually true

[iron tiger]

Or ig minds

[stiff fable]

They're invading every timeline simultaneously, according to Kaya

[brazen seal]

where do u see something trying to destroy timelines

[limber prism]

God forbid the infestation, the Zerg, and the Flood show up to each other

[lilac aspen]

That’s what I said when if the Infested found the Blackwing Virus, the Tenno, Jedi and Sith have no choice but to team up

Because that is a massive problematic nightmare

[limber prism]

Anyhoo, if it’s that old of lore, there is a very good chance that it may have been retconned, namely because I don’t see Grineer marines bodying Warframes, corpus drones, or sentinels like a steroid abuser in a WWE match

[stiff fable]

it's mostly that devs have no sense of scale

they just spouted some numbers and people were like WAIT

[limber prism]

Let’s say for the purposes of this argument, they have some augmented strength, at least to help carry the armor

Not enough to fight a space marine, but more than an average human

[analog glade]

Well they carry their armor, and can carry a archgun without a gravimag.

[humble sierra]

The George R.R. Martin classic

[limber prism]

See, now that is just rule of cool.

You wanna tell Kahl he can’t carry it?

[lilac aspen]

I mean
Space Marines aren’t Warframe level strength so it’s believable to a degree that a Grineer army could be an annoyance to them

Especially since Grineer are cloned endlessly compared to the 10,000 limit per space marine chapter

It was it 1000?

It’s been a moment

[limber prism]

Only issue with that, is that space marines also get stronger due to their armor

Like spartan armor, it acts like a second skin. Only it increases their strength even more

[stiff fable]

the point is actually more that basic modern Grineer are stronger than space marines

....so the Orokin Empire would be able to eat 40K's factions for breakfast

[lilac aspen]

Doesn’t matter if I throw enough bodies at them in the end

Or start throwing bigger weapons at them

[limber prism]

Which again, I say isn’t true considering we don’t see a Grineer turning a Warframes head into a tomato

[stiff fable]

Warframes are actually just another tech level beyond that

[silk atlas]

Are we talking raw strength?

[stiff fable]

Like, in canon, the Orokin are a class-II civilization on the Kardashev scale

[humble sierra]

Mildly related but I think the Orks in Warhammer are also probably powerful too, from my understanding they have 'magic' based on their belief. Like, if you didn't tell them that an archgun was heavy to lift, they'd just assume it was slighty too big but still lift it

[limber prism]

I would say so. Unless their armor acts like a endo skeleton, which tk be frank doesn’t really look like it

[silk atlas]

Because a regular rocket does a Warframe in pretty good in story power.

[stiff fable]

They have access to resources and energy on the level of the output of an entire star

[limber prism]

To be fair, anything goes with the Orks…

[stiff fable]

without having to tap said star

[lilac aspen]

They are passively psychic
If they believe in it enough it warps reality to make it true to a degree

[limber prism]

The Orks in a nutshell.

[stiff fable]

No 40K faction has that

...except the Necron

[humble sierra]

better way to describe it, ty

[stiff fable]

putting that aside for now

[limber prism]

Oh god

Trayzn would have a FIELD DAY with Warframes

[stiff fable]

not dealing with that not dealing with that NOT DEALING WITH THAT

[humble sierra]

Warhammer factions are OP because they discovered T'au before we did

[lilac aspen]

Warframe Nightmare: The Infinite and the Divine storyline happens in their world

[stiff fable]

The main difference between Warframe and 40K is that the Warp is much safer than the Void

[lilac aspen]

[limber prism]

…you’re…you’re joking right?

[stiff fable]

Nope

long distance travel in the Warp is possible

[lilac aspen]

…
I’m sorry
Having a Demon burst out of my skull if my protective barrier is down is not fun

[stiff fable]

Long distance travel in the Void is NOT and comes with TERRIBLE CONSEQUENCES

[limber prism]

Last I checked, the Warp had FOUR demonic gods with legions of blood thirsty followers

[lilac aspen]

The WARP is not safe
It’s only “safe” because unlike Warframe, Warhammer actually was smart enough to develop proper shielding

[stiff fable]

The Void has one and he's already destroyed countless timelines

[lilac aspen]

And even then the second the shielding drops all hell breaks lose

LITERALLY

[stiff fable]

In fact he makes his body from the timelines he's destroyed

[stiff fable]

And sends little pieces of it to infect new timelines

[limber prism]

Where tf do you get this stuff from?

[stiff fable]

That's the Murmur

The Murmur are made of dead timelines

The Murmur are also little pieces of Wally's body

[brazen seal]

direct from wally

[lilac aspen]

It’s why if Wally entered 40k
They’d just fit in nicely as another Chaos God

[brazen seal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

[stiff fable]

'cept a VASTLY more successful one

[limber prism]

This conversation is starting to get wilder than this guys search history

[iron tiger]

I hope we get to see other void monsters either orokin made or void borne

[stiff fable]

Remember how I said Warframe's writers have no sense of scale?

[iron tiger]

The orowyrm was a great start tho

[stiff fable]

The problem's only gotten WORSE with time

[humble sierra]

And we love them for it

[stiff fable]

I mean it's super fun lololol

[iron tiger]

Wdym? Where did this start?

[stiff fable]

but I do kinda miss the days of "BALANCE THE SCALES TENNO"

[lilac aspen]

Eh
Not really?
The 4 Chaos Gods have almost got rid of the world

It’s currently taking a powerful immortal, yet slowly dying, psychic to sit on a golden life support throne that is also FURTHER enhancing his powers to actively keep them from breaching Earth.

Basically a Gigantic Sun of pure SOUL that is actively being fed a 1000 souls a day to keep it lit to hold them back

Meanwhile Wally can’t push one silly ship out of a hole. Or “Oh no, a time loop and LOVE, my weakness.”

[stiff fable]

THE CORPUS AND GRINEER MUST BE KEPT FIGHTING FOREVER

[limber prism]

Okay new question

[limber prism]

You think this guy would be able to get the Tenno to run scams for him?

[humble sierra]

Not sure if these were just fan misinterpretations or graphs made on stats but just imagine them, lol

[stiff fable]

That's mostly because Wally now has to play by the rules, if he hadn't lost his finger he'd just make it so he'd already won

Which honestly is the reason I don't like bringing this kind of scale into thing

It's extremely silly

[iron tiger]

Praghasa is not that big

[brazen seal]

wally now has to obey the time

[lilac aspen]

Meanwhile if you removed a chaos god’s finger you’d just screw anyone over because congratulations

You are in the presence of a Chaos God, it WILL corrupt you or just kill you from the influence

[stiff fable]

ya, cause and effect

[stiff fable]

funny thing is, there's a chance that the finger's doing that too

[iron tiger]

Imma say her mouth is probably the size of a murex

[brazen seal]

every place the reliquary drive is (wally's finger) someone see him

[stiff fable]

......but AGAINST Wally, because my working theory is that the original finger is the Unum

actually that's a good point, the finger on the Zariman literally turned the ghosts into Void Angels sooooooooo

[lilac aspen]

What I mean is if you have a Chaos God’s finger, you’d lose because it would allow the Chaos God to be there fully and entirely, without any rules in places. Whereas Wally is just making cameo’s unless something catastrophic happens to allow him to breach.

Kinda like inviting a vampire into your house.

[iron tiger]

So did the other realities fall into the void or did the void expand into those realities?

[stiff fable]

Yeah no, fair

.....yes

We actually have no idea how it went down

It's possible that they're still there, or now exist as the desert parts of the lab

Or just don't exist as anything more than possibilities that Are Not anymore

[iron tiger]

Is 1999 in the void?

[stiff fable]

Nope

[iron tiger]

Or a separate cosmos

[stiff fable]

it's the actual year 1999 in Warframe's history

[iron tiger]

But it’s not time travel?

[stiff fable]

It is time travel

100%

[iron tiger]

But in a time loop so the consequences of linear time travel don’t occur?

[humble sierra]

The loop will eventually end

[stiff fable]

They do, actually

[lilac aspen]

Basically Wally is better in terms of not many things can stop them. But if you do have something to stop them, it stops them hard.

Chaos Gods, there are people capable of resisting and people capable of annoying them immensely, but only The Emperor of Mankind is preventing them from breaching into Terra, nothing else can.

Literally the only other reason they ain’t doing more chaos is because each Chaos God keeps each other in check. If they worked together in an alliance, well that’s called the Horus Heresy

[stiff fable]

but you're repeating them over and over again

[humble sierra]

but for gameplay purposes it won't

[brazen seal]

ah yes

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-time-travel-avengers-endgame-gif-16972653

love it

[stiff fable]

It's actually a big problem, because the effects of events that are overwritten by time travel persist

1999 is being repeated so often that time there is "wearing down"

That's why Temporal Archemedia exists

you're trying to restore the timeline there by "correcting" certain things

Like dead Scaldra troops coming back, or Flare's last concert being overrun, or the Murmur breaking out

[lilac aspen]

I don’t care how bad the implications are
I AM NOT RESETTING MY ROMANCE

[brazen seal]

NOT EVEN FOR WISP ?

[iron tiger]

Sooooo by time wearing down does that mean a timeline becomes more void like?

[lilac aspen]

Maybe for Wisp

[stiff fable]

One possibility, the other is that cause and effect break

[brazen seal]

her look at us on the trailer tho

[lilac aspen]

Definitely for Wally, 100%

[stiff fable]

And that lets Wally mess with things again

[iron tiger]

So either they’ll switch or one is lost?

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/james-mc-avoy-wanted-fans-self-sweating-gif-5079413

[iron tiger]

Like reverse chemical reactions

[stiff fable]

Or stuff can happen without being set up

Like, you feel full when you eat

But you stop needing to eat

so if you do, you feel stuffed

or, better example, the Hollvania reactor goes off for no reason

no buildup, just boom

[iron tiger]

So the event leading up to an event aren’t always there, time can just change the status quo when it feels like

[stiff fable]

without causality, yeah

[lilac aspen]

I’m telling you
All of this could be fixed if Drifter simply dated Wally

[stiff fable]

existence just becomes meaningless randomness

[brazen seal]

RNG in real life

a 1% chance of the reactor explodes out of nowhere yearly
but u keep reviving that year endless

[iron tiger]

Where’d you learn all this from captain

[stiff fable]

Worst of all, Wally could just decide he wins automatically

[iron tiger]

So why doesn’t he

[stiff fable]

Because Wally has to follow causality

as a side effect of losing his finger

[iron tiger]

Ahhh

[brazen seal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

[iron tiger]

Are his fingers from multiple cosmos existing in one dimension

[brazen seal]

look left hand top one

he's missing the indicator

[stiff fable]

It's impossible for us to tell if the finger is symbolic or not and maybe irrelevant

[lilac aspen]

Wally should of been smarter
And not stick their hand towards the weird opening in the Void that the silly small Orokin went through

[iron tiger]

Is this his true form

[stiff fable]

but losing his finger cost Wally a chunk of his power

[iron tiger]

Or first form

[brazen seal]

this is where he's stuck

[stiff fable]

surprisingly, no

[brazen seal]

a wall made of bones

[stiff fable]

It's one more form

[iron tiger]

So his finger being cut locked his body into that form

[stiff fable]

anyway, Wally went from all "basically completely a god" to "just about a god"

Remember how time doesn't exist in the void?

Now, for him, it kinda does

[brazen seal]

actually
idk if he's stuck on that wall
I don't remember any reference for it rn

[stiff fable]

he can't just appear in a hole in reality and crack reality like an egg

[humble sierra]

As far as we know it's his True Form, but he might just have it as another form-- he could be completely formless, for all we know

[stiff fable]

Devs have said it's not his true form, at least

[iron tiger]

But isn’t he the embodiment of the whole void, so now the void should have so manner of time too?

[stiff fable]

it's possible he's making fun of the "Man in the Wall" name

[iron tiger]

And duviri is in a time loop as well

[stiff fable]

that's why he's mad

He CLAIMS he's the entire void and it is inevitable

[iron tiger]

This means time loops can be contained inside other times

[stiff fable]

But losing the finger strongly suggests he's not

[iron tiger]

Which reminds me of time dilation irl

[stiff fable]

Duviri is.... well, actually, Duviri is a transformed Zariman

The Drifter's Zariman

Complete with (imperfect, breaking down) void shielding

that's why there are pieces of it everywhere

[iron tiger]

Makes sense

[brazen seal]

the void is vast as .......
we know parvos granum was somewhere in there
then we have the murmur faction void region
then we have duviri region
then we have where the orokin towers are

[stiff fable]

But also Duviri was the result of a wish, granted by the Void unconsciously

for a safe place from the void

(That helped too)

The Void is in fact all-powerful, and can even protect you from itself

Hence why Wally has to work to try and break in and can't just obliterate it

[brazen seal]

~insert meme of operator confused on TNW

[grand owl]

After warframe 1999 my question is: Is th drifter's story done?

[stiff fable]

nope!

Drifter will return /mcu post credit scene

[proper crow]

Yeah duviri is pretty much a void manifestation via conceptual embodiment of the stories made by mother on deimos meant to mitigate the potential negative effects of void travel

[iron tiger]

So the void is like an actual body with some parts acting independently of others but if one thing is effected it can effect everything else

[proper crow]

Also the ship that we see on the star chart is actually the drifter's

[stiff fable]

Operator's

though of course they're the same Zariman, if you go back far enough

[stiff fable]

I don't know that comparing it to a body is entirely accurate. I like to call it a place of pure potential? Potential energy, potential reality.

[proper crow]

I could have sworn it was The drifters via some shenaniganry considering the ship had already come out of the void enough to get the tenno to safety

[iron tiger]

Both are connected to duviri but we only see one in duviri 😭

[brazen seal]

drifters = operator
same person

[stiff fable]

I think what the devs are going with is that the Operator's Zariman emerged in the past and the kids were evacuated, and the ship eventually disappeared again

[iron tiger]

That is a good word for the void POTENTIAL

[stiff fable]

at which point it became infused with enough "void stuff" that the people who died there came back as ghosts

[lilac aspen]

The Void is an agent of chaos
It has no sides
It doesn’t even side with itself

[proper crow]

Hmm.. I guess it wouldn't be the first time we've had a ship popping in and out of the void.. cough tempestarii

[stiff fable]

and the ship eventually became overrun with the fractals, growths and void angels

The Tempestarii is a GREAT comparison

[lilac aspen]

Void Angel Frame when DE

[stiff fable]

GOD YES

one of my biggest asks period

[humble sierra]

Absolutely not. In a Post-TennoCon interview, I believe they outright confirmed that Drifter will also have a way to Tau (but that's likely for the 2026 update)

[stiff fable]

A Tenno who tried to quit the old war and find somewhere safe, only to start hearing a song....

[brazen seal]

can't wait to change between operator and drifter midgame

[lilac aspen]

We need more unholy eldritch monsters

We already have a pregnant Seraphim frame descending from the sky to vaporize people

And now we’re getting a Demon

Give us MORE BIBLICALLY ACCURATE CREATURES

[proper crow]

I hate to be the one to ask this but.. source?

[humble sierra]

Someone came up with a Jade Deluxe skin that looks pretty sick

[proper crow]

Or at least where I can start looking?

[lilac aspen]

Dragging Lettie to Tau so she can start freaking out

[iron tiger]

Holy hell that looks amazing

[humble sierra]

I'll see if I can find it, it's been mentioned here a few times

[lilac aspen]

I’m okay not getting a Void Angel Frame if this ends up being Jade’s Deluxe

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-disney-the-emperor’s-new-groove-emperor's-new-groove-disney’s-emperor’s-new-groove-gif-9209845644877110421

[brazen seal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_3EMeb59wY&pp=ygUSd2FyZnJhbWUgaW50ZXJ2aWV3

[proper crow]

Cast and cry, cast and cry

[brazen seal]

somewhere in this interview

[proper crow]

Thank you

[lilac aspen]

DE
Stalker frame when
Give us Stalker
Give us the Father Frame so we have TWO dad frames (Umbra and Stalker)

[iron tiger]

I think it’d be ironic if jade got a void angel theme and the the void angel warframe got a sentient theme

[proper crow]

Duviri

[humble sierra]

Got this as well

[lilac aspen]

Okay but what if we drag that one out of Duviri to use instead

[stiff fable]

for maximum irony, Qorvex should get a Murmur theme

[stiff fable]

you know, that actually never ocurred to me

that the Operator would go to Tau for a different reason than the Drifter

[iron tiger]

That’s not ironic that’s unironic

[stiff fable]

Qorvex was built to be ultra poisonous to the Murmur!

[humble sierra]

Shacknews had a few articles too

[proper crow]

Oh okay that... Honestly makes a lot more sense.. I was a little worried, cuz it seemed like the update was going to be themed around the operator and it didn't make sense to me that they were adding more romanceable protos

[lilac aspen]

Drifter heading to Tau because of Entrati

Operator: “ADIS, BUDDY, I’M COMING BACK TO APOLOGIZE!”

[brazen seal]

oh, so the triad side quest will be related to Drifter's going to tau

[iron tiger]

I’m talking about the design though really

[humble sierra]

The Devil's Triad were described as a side-content to the Tau stuff too

[iron tiger]

He clearly has murmur geometry

[humble sierra]

Not even clear if they're related to Tau at all

[stiff fable]

Harrow Proto mentions that he's seeing visions of the future

[lilac aspen]

Just insanity clearly

[iron tiger]

Prob just entrati body guards

[stiff fable]

So it seems plausible that they're the trio in charge of the 1999 relic missions

get it?

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[brazen seal]

I do think Uriel has some big play in the old peace tho

[stiff fable]

relic
religion
I am hilarious

[lilac aspen]

Imagine if they get a DMC VA for Uriel Proto

[proper crow]

I'm fine with it I just can't wait for Uriel. I'm on the band that uriel is likely a former Orokin who spoke out negatively about the Orokin and got Warframed as punishment

[humble sierra]

Oh I just want 1999 Void Fissures for the sake of the 25% credit boosts after every few relics-- with the Chroma strat, I'll be rich.

[stiff fable]

imagine it's DmC Dante

[iron tiger]

Or better yet maybe they’re like personal religious figures to him

Scholars of sol and lua

[stiff fable]

And it's Tim Phillips voicing him instead :V

[brazen seal]

but it's harrow's proto that looks like vergil

[brazen seal]

btw
why the heck proto harrow has 2 eyeballs

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dmc-gif-11089662

behold, Uriel

[iron tiger]

He doesn’t?

[lilac aspen]

“Harrow, give me the void relic.”

“If you want the relic-“ Plastic chair scrapes loudly against Mall floor “You’ll have to take it.”

[proper crow]

All I'm saying is that it seems like DE is trying to explore the Orokin's complexities more, whether through Albrecht trying to fix his mistakes or not

[humble sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8agn7dJ9p8&ab_channel=PlayWarframe

[stiff fable]

oh no that IS what it was building up to ahahahaha

[brazen seal]

he kinda does actually

[iron tiger]

I only see one eye

[proper crow]

Are you sure that's not a lighting trick?

[brazen seal]

80%

I saw someone with a better screenshot tho

[stiff fable]

that's just guyliner, no?

or do you mean two pupils?

[brazen seal]

oh yea, that

[stiff fable]

lmao

[lilac aspen]

Chat we need Stalker and Jade Proto be so painfully loving to each other that it actively makes Wally beg us to get rid of them

[stiff fable]

real talk, I do wish we got a cuhrazy crew of protos

[lilac aspen]

Just Wally hijacks our KIM to text us
“DRIFTER! PLEASE! THEY’RE CUDDLING AGAIN!”

[humble sierra]

Probably a reference to his helmet having two 'eye' dots on one side.

[lilac aspen]

I want a Nerd crew
Limbo, Lavos, Dante Protos

[stiff fable]

A really weird bunch like Voruna, Xaku, Equinox, Sevagoth

[iron tiger]

Isn’t there a thing irl where liquid from the pupil escapes and leaves a loose water bubble in your eye

[proper crow]

All I know is that the time frame of the old peace is very specific... It's a time before the night of the Naga drums.

[iron tiger]

I forgot what it’s called

[humble sierra]

Yeah it's a condition called Polycoria

[lilac aspen]

Lavos Proto just always talking to the two Snakes, questioning why one is brutally violent and the other is calmly teaching

[iron tiger]

Oh my god thank you

[humble sierra]

It can sometime become two, regular looking pupils too

[stiff fable]

it's specifically based on the Christmas truce from WW1

[iron tiger]

I really needed to know because this is so freaky and cool

[stiff fable]

Where soldiers on both sides of the trenches stopped fighting on Christmas and spent the day having fun, trading rations, drinking and celebrating

[iron tiger]

I need polycoria in warframe rn

[proper crow]

Oh sweet, I can't wait for Santa to get added to the game as a warframe

[stiff fable]

only to get back to killing each other the next day

[iron tiger]

Freaky customization

[stiff fable]

that's just Grendel

[stiff beacon]

It's just baro before new years

[iron tiger]

We need another fat warframe

[proper crow]

... I was going to fight that but I hate that I can see it

[lilac aspen]

Only difference is the Christmas Truce actually didn’t go back to killing the next day

The leaders of both sides had to get move those soldiers and get other soldiers in

[iron tiger]

Fat vampire warframe!!!!

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-bnp-grendel-run-gif-17516575

[lilac aspen]

Because the Soldiers didn’t want to kill each other anymore
And if they did shoot, they deliberately did extremely poor shooting

[iron tiger]

I’ve asked this before but are the Tenno or corpus more advanced?

[lilac aspen]

Meaning whatever happened in Old Peace was enough to entirely revert the peace between each other

[stiff fable]

Tenno

[lilac aspen]

Technically Tenno

But Corpus can catch up if they get enough stuff

[stiff fable]

The big difference is that Tenno weapons tech is deliberately "not advanced"

[proper crow]

As of right now the time frame for the update seems to be the old war was happening, something caused a treaty, and likely something that happens in the old peace will be the reason that everything gets started back up again. Which then likely leads into kullervo and the night of the Naga drums, possibly to prevent the war from continuing on.

[iron tiger]

Ok just wondering cuz we do have a better elevators then them too

[lilac aspen]

Like Zenuka for example

[stiff fable]

Corpus use automatic systems that the Tenno reject due to the potential for Sentient override

But Tenno materials science is so far beyond Corpus that it doesn't matter

[proper crow]

The fact that the tenno can just instantly say no to most of their hacking says a lot

[stiff fable]

funny thing is that both Grineer and Corpus are trying to dig up Orokin stuff to close the gap

[lilac aspen]

The Tenno says no to everyone’s consoles

Truly the strongest power is their ability to hack everything

[stiff fable]

But the Corpus are getting distracted by Sentient tech

....which really backfires on them

[brazen seal]

the thing that saves 1999 was a parazon

[lilac aspen]

Tbf I would too
Since they are kinda the only other faction who have managed to fight the warframe for a good time

[iron tiger]

Sentient tech 🤤

[stiff fable]

So technically all the factions are way degraded from their Orokin era selves EXCEPT the Corpus

[lilac aspen]

If I can’t get my grubby hands on Tenno stuff
I’ll just grab their greatest enemy’s tech

[proper crow]

Which is funny cuz sentients are also technically countered by just.. bringing a second gun. Lol

[stiff fable]

The Sentients can't reinforce
The Grineer are literally degrading
The Tenno are mind whammied and don't have institutional support anymore

The Corpus are the STRONGEST modern faction!

[lilac aspen]

I mean
You say that but it still took the Tenno a war and multiple battles to beat them despite using normal firearms

[iron tiger]

The corpus started off from a single gemstone and then continued developing from there independently yes? Orokin technology was either destroyed by the Tenno or safely guarded

[stiff fable]

But they're fighting each other as much as everyone else

And they're also hard-countered by the Sentients just taking their stuff

[proper crow]

I know, I'm not downplaying the sentients, I'm just making light of it, the advice to fight the sentients is pretty much just engineer TF2. "If that don't work, use more gun."

[stiff fable]

They do use a bunch of Orokin tech, like the Crewman program was originally suggested by an Archemedian (and rejected by the Orokin)

[iron tiger]

What is the crewman program?

[stiff fable]

Literally, the basic Corpus crewmen

[iron tiger]

Lame 😂

[lilac aspen]

The fact
WE, 2025, could have a better chance at fighting the Sentients compared to the Corpus

[proper crow]

The trouble with the corpus though is that at the end of the day they're pretty much just people. They don't have the same capability of being able to flood areas like the grineer, or the insane adaptability of sentient things

[stiff fable]

that's why the creator got Jade Light'd

[lilac aspen]

Because our technology is “Primitive”

[stiff fable]

Kinda

The Corpus you see DO use clones

[brazen seal]

isekai'd

[stiff fable]

But mostly rely on proxies

Proxies, debt slavery, and drugs

[iron tiger]

They could definitely latch our grid, but not our weapons

[lilac aspen]

“Says here Sentients are weak to radiation.”

“Radiation you say?”

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-barbenheimer-barbie-oppenheimer-movie-gif-14455380668331281856

[stiff fable]

If they stopped fighting each other, the Corpus would probably conquer the Origin System

Which is why we keep Parvos in his box

[iron tiger]

Why is debt slavery a thing when there are automata that can do things for them?

[misty salmon]

people can be cheaper and self maintaining.

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/eldorado-money-gif-4767570

Line go up

[proper crow]

Yeah the biggest weakness of the corpus is pretty much that they're too human, and their entire society is built around a selfish monetary scheme.

[iron tiger]

Bro there needs to be a 3rd origin system faction actually introduced, I thought that was what duviri was gonna be, but the whole solar system being something beyond a dipolar hegemony is a little unsatisfying in terms of lore

[misty salmon]

well there's the infestation

[stiff fable]

That's the infestation

But everyone hates them, except when they can throw chunks of it at each other

[iron tiger]

They’d have to take up more space than we see surely then?

[stiff fable]

they're the most distributed

every planet

[iron tiger]

Ahh I see so a literal infestation

[misty salmon]

everyone is out with weedwackers trying to keep the infestation from growing, because once it does grow it's impossible to get rid of.

[iron tiger]

Nahh but seriously railpirates when DE

[stiff fable]

they wouldn't be a major faction tbh

[iron tiger]

Cascade bombs boiii

[stiff fable]

they'd be closer to a Nightwave story

don't get me wrong, they'd be interesting as heck

[iron tiger]

We can’t say for sure yet because we know nothing about them, I imagine they are mostly in the outer system and survived the new war the most likely because of hiding spots and “drifting ”

Nora night we know is a rail pirate

She has a ship that looks like a bug

[stiff fable]

she isn't afaik, just runs a pirate radio station

[iron tiger]

Imagine they’re big themed

[stiff fable]

during her face reveal she actually looks like a Dax

[iron tiger]

Nahh she’s a rail pirate

[proper crow]

I'mma be honest the only thing that's keeping the entire system safe is that the infestation doesn't have active access to space travel

[iron tiger]

I imagine rail pirates are like the Tenno

But less in power and greater in number

[stiff fable]

....except throwing meteors at planets >.>

[proper crow]

Yeah, but regardless.. as soon as any infestation strain can get into space the entire Warframe world is doomed

[stiff fable]

ehhhhh they're more like actual smugglers? Running goods like drugs and entertainment products and people through Corpus and Grineer blockades

[iron tiger]

So they’re black collar vs the corpus who are white collar

[proper crow]

The only reason why the entire system isn't infested is because the infestation can't leave. As soon as they do, it's pretty much like opening a huge water dam and watching the entirety of a village drown

[stiff fable]

Kinda, but their operations are tiny

[iron tiger]

Noooo don’t say that your ruining the potential they have

[misty salmon]

Maroo and Varzia, Darvo.... I would expect a lack of theming, both because it's easier to hide if you look like something else, and because they aren't likely to have the foundry support for standardization.

[proper crow]

Yes ruin them

[misty salmon]

Would be "nice" to have a bit more narmer running about perhaps.... they feel a bit under used at the moment.

[brazen seal]

they died with ballas

[stiff fable]

still shocked we're not getting a Praghasa node

[proper crow]

Screw narmer, I want to know more about pazuul.

[iron tiger]

Narmer open world on mars when DE

[iron tiger]

This is very true, though those guys are Tenno protected/sponsored

[iron tiger]

That is NARMER

[proper crow]

Technically, but it's more on the sentient side of things

What the hell is that ram

What happened to erra

[brazen seal]

ded

funny enough
he died twice it seems

[iron tiger]

When sentients die they can become an archon/eidolon

All archons are eidolons but not all eidolons are archons

[misty salmon]

might get more about the Ram and the other archons with the Tau content.

[brazen seal]

I've no idea abt archon lore
all I know is that I must hunt them once a week

[proper crow]

Yeah cuz like.. I know erra is dead, but what the hell is everything else

Just kind of shows up

Doesn't really get explained and they just left it there

[iron tiger]

The other archons were sentients that can infect other life

[blissful merlin]

Can’t wait for the lore of caliban prime

[iron tiger]

Specifically warframes

[blissful merlin]

Especially since he’s a big part of Tenno history

[brazen seal]

now that I think abt the blind margulis on demo
imagine if once we try to get back to old peace memories
we go back to the bliding margulis memory

[stiff fable]

they were created by Erra using pieces of special Sentients called the "Sentient Beasts" because they were modeled after extinct Earth animals

[humble sierra]

We probably won't get Narmer/Erra with The Old Peace, but I feel like they'll be relevant for the main Tau update. We discover they've been rebuilding the Solar rails or something like that

[misty salmon]

and the Beasts had been created in Tau as some sort of leadership/teacher/security caste... it's not entirely clear, but Lotus/Natah seems to have had a lot of respect for them.

[humble sierra]

Natah was taught Mimicry by Amar (the Wolf)

[stiff fable]

they're basically Amalgam units made by mashing together Sentient with Warframe instead of Corpus

right, they had a high place in the Sentient hierarchy

but under the Lords of Tau, whatever that was

assuming it's not religion

[hidden cove]

It's interesting that the Archons are made with Prime frames specifically

Idk what Boreal (the owl) is though

Nira (snake) is Mag Prime and Amar (wolf) is Rhino

I assume the Archons are made of dead Warframes from Tau

Are there even Prime Warframes canonically active in the Origin System? I assumed Prime Warframes are Old War, and come present time they've been lost to history and we have the base versions only

[strange plinth]

loki iirc

[misty salmon]

I think primes are canon active in Origin, but rarer. Varzia has to selling something

[hidden cove]

Then again, Prime trailers clearly depict Primes being active in present day, unless I'm missing something

[stiff fable]

Yeah primes are just around

[hidden cove]

Corpus weren't around during the Old War (basically only just being conceptualized by Parvos Granum) and yet Gauss and Grendel Prime are there in a Gas City during their trailers

[stiff fable]

Like, in your game, other players are the other Tenno

[hidden cove]

Vauban too

[stiff fable]

So if they have a prime, they're actuve

[hidden cove]

Saryn, she was on Earth wasn't she? Purging the Infestation

Good to see she did her job well

[stiff fable]

While you're correct with the analysis, the Corpus were fully active by the end of the Old War

[hidden cove]

Ah yeah, cool

[stiff fable]

The units and aesthetics would have been different, plus the scale

[south nimbus]

Yall wanna know what would traumatize the fandom? If someone turned themselves into a Warframe that we know

[hidden cove]

Ngl I could imagine that being a backstory for a future warframe

Guy is running from a faction that wants him dead, and he's carrying a batch of Helminth and uses it in an attempt to end himself before they get to him only to become a Warframe and wreck house

[strange plinth]

damn it, alad v

[south nimbus]

I got this idea for my dream I had where Kahl turned himself into a war frame to save more brothers from narmer and this quest to the Kahl warframe would also be the end of narmer

[hidden cove]

Ah yes, dreaming of Warframe. I've been there

[brazen seal]

ngl
potentially the lore of the devil frame

[hidden cove]

My dreams are always me wiping rooms with Mesa, which I already do IRL so lmao

Playing Warframe so hard I dream of committing mass genocide in the game the exact same way I already do

[south nimbus]

For some reason whenever I see that devil war frame I always think of “one two three you better not flee, Eiz Zwei Drew go ahead and cryy”

[misty salmon]

The 1999 comic has the protos basically doing just this... they're all on their way already, but Albrecht straight up leaves them in an untennoable situation with a second dose of helminth each.

[hidden cove]

It's interesting to think about Warframe from the perspective of people who aren't Tenno

For everyone else, it's Warhammer 40k

The Grineer won

When the power vacuum opened up after we slaughtered the Orokin, the Grineer won and took control

As far as I understand, the Corpus only still exist because the Grineer allow them to, because they so happen to have some semblance of usefulness to the Grineer

[strange plinth]

ehh
corpus are their own thing by this point
hell, they're supplying the grineer with weapons to continue fighting the corpus tmk

[hidden cove]

Bearing in mind the fact that there's countless actual Grineer but 60% of the Corpus units you fight are robots

[stiff fable]

Other way around, the Corpus are supplying the Grineer war effort

[brazen seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/682654292909490284.webp?size=48&animated=true

[stiff fable]

The Corpus are the single largest and more powerful faction, but their leadership is too fractured to leverage it

[hidden cove]

War against who? The Tenno?

[strange plinth]

whoever. mostly the corpus

[stiff fable]

The Grineer? The independent colonies, and also other Corpus factions than the ones selling them supplies.

[hidden cove]

Aye

[strange plinth]

that's what 14 board members will do lmao

[stiff fable]

The Corpus are SO big that parts of them can sell weapons to the Grineer to use on the Corpus and not notice >.>

[misty salmon]

it's a mutually beneficial war... the corpus get grineer money, and plausible deniability about why their competitors in the corpus just had their project raided, the grineer (queens) get something to keep a whole lot of grineer soldiers busy and not thinking too much.

[stiff fable]

True, but both factions theoretically want to win the war

[misty salmon]

they're willing to tell themselves that yes

[stiff fable]

For the Corpus board at least they'd rather not win than let someone else get the credit

[misty salmon]

and the infestation muscling in whenever there's a gap in the troop deployment, or a good pile of battle debris is probably not making it any easier for either side to press an advantage.

[hidden cove]

The fact that the Origin System was not only screwed before the Tenno returned, but is still screwed even while we're active because of the sheer vastness and head count of the main factions

[stiff fable]

Yep, the Tenno can't win the war

[hidden cove]

How many Corpus did we kill in that Fortuna event, as a distraction?

Like 10+ million?

[stiff fable]

Because significantly weakening one side lets the other one win

War economics is hell

[strange plinth]

our goal isn't even to win
its just keeping balance so that neither of them do

[stiff fable]

Yuuuup

[hidden cove]

We can't fix the Origin System, only stop it from getting worse

Either side winning and exterminating the other leads to a hellscape worse than it already is

[stiff fable]

We'd literally need an allied outside context third faction to manage it

[strange plinth]

screw it, bring in the murmur
they're not allied obv but it would be funny

[misty salmon]

just try to scratch out little safe places for the Ostron, and the Solaris, and for Grandma to run her little vent orphanage.

[brazen seal]

we can't even go sleep for a millenium that everything gets upside down

[stiff fable]

Unironically the Sentients would be our best bet, unless we could grow Steel Meridian and Perrin Sequence enough to swallow their core factions

[strange plinth]

true
so long as they can forgive past wrongs
and there's.. anything left of them other than hunhow, lotus, and pazuul

[hidden cove]

Unfortunately the sentients aren't exactly friendly

[proper crow]

Hunhow protects the origin system on lotus's behalf while we go to Tau, gives him something to do

Lol

[stiff fable]

I think it'll be other Tenno holding down the fort

[misty salmon]

Hunhow can't be arsed to get out of bed

[proper crow]

I should probably note that I was joking with that

[hidden cove]

Deadbeat grandfather

[stiff fable]

He's in palliative care cut him some slack >.>

[strange plinth]

talked to stalker, wrote an email, went back to sleep

[proper crow]

I just want to see grandpa more dammit

[stiff fable]

All gucci

[brazen seal]

we'll on old peace
trust

[hidden cove]

Wait are we gonna ride Praghasa to Tau?

[stiff fable]

Not if we're on Tau

Sentients can't travel via rail afaik

[hidden cove]

Last year we got access to the Hollvania mall as a hub before 1999 released now we got Praghasa in the sun

Maybe shes been feeding this whole time and she'll fly us to Tau

[stiff fable]

Just a Murex, sadly

[misty salmon]

we might just take the railjack or the orbiter with a repaired solar rail. But we'll see.

[hidden cove]

That's possible yeah

[stiff fable]

I kept expecting Praghasa

[dense nest]

united effort to rebuild the rail. like building relay back then

[misty salmon]

or we could test the limits of transference and just try possessing some old warframe in Tau

[brazen seal]

somatic link 2.0

range: unlimited

[stiff fable]

That's a possibility actually

[misty salmon]

I really doubt that the Orokin would have sent actual Tenno bodies to Tau during the Old Peace.

[stiff fable]

We had Warframes there, maybe they still are

[stiff fable]

Tauron Academy existing seems to suggesting we were there

[misty salmon]

yeah, but I think we were there in the sort of way that we are in combat when we swap out of the frame.

[hidden cove]

I'm excited for the Focus rework too. I hope Transcendence becomes an ability in addition to the void spear as like an ultimate and stuff like that

[stiff fable]

Er. Actually present?

[hidden cove]

Something tells me the void spear thing is just a cinematic though

[brazen seal]

100%

[stiff fable]

Every school is supposedly getting an ultimate

And that one has the Naramon symbol on the sword

[brazen seal]

imagine a 8 secs cutscene everytime u try to ult in the middle of a survival

[stiff fable]

It's most likely going to be the 4th operator ability

But require some kind of charge to use it

[strange plinth]

yeah. probably not spammable by any means
and i doubt we'd be in that long of a sequence and still be vulnerable to damage

[silk atlas]

Can't wait to shieldgate with ult

[strange plinth]

garuda's 4 comes to mind

[hidden cove]

OPERATOR MODDING CONFIRMED

With a new range of Operator mods

Lmao as if

[brazen seal]

melee influence on big naramon ult
plz DE

[stiff fable]

At least let us mod the ampz

[strange plinth]

annihilate the cone in front of you, and then the rest of the nearby area

[misty salmon]

but also pretty much immortal and able to punt back out to somewhere else if we need to... far less vulnerable than we were in pods on lua, or even in the chair on the orbiter.

[brazen seal]

I'm so confused on this
operator uses a mask when outside seemly like he's actually there in tau
then he snitches to his friend the answer RIGHT BEHIND HIM

like ??????????

are we there there
or are we there but in the reservoirs

[misty salmon]

that we actually had "real" bodies somewhere that could be attacked independent of the warframes was one of the big secrets of the whole warframe project, why the frames and the tenno were so often conflated, and one of the big betrayals by Ballas with Hunhow.

[stiff fable]

Yeah, like I said, the Operator is actually present

Which means TERRIBLE things are going to have to happen to everyone on Tau for that secret to be preserved

The big thing to remember is that the Sentients in Tau and the Sentients in the Origin System can't communicate

[brazen seal]

I'm not sure if the tenno were out of it anytime to you know
be trained to war

[brazen seal]

that's when hunhow jumps
destroy rail, attack lua, sacrifices himself

actually no
Lotus was already there

eeeeeerrrrrrrrr

[misty salmon]

hmmm, so whatever is going on with Old Peace may not actually reflect what's going on with the Old War in the Origin system... that doesn't confuse things at all

[stiff fable]

Hunhow was already on the Origin System side

[south nimbus]

On an unrelated note, do you think Excalibur Umbra Would call Caliban a Void-Lugger

[stiff fable]

yes

It's like calling an elf "knife ears" it's just what you do

[south nimbus]

I’m pretty sure in his conversations with stalker he said maybe it’s time to put down the weapons and retire

So yes

[strange plinth]

i'd been under the impression that hunhow (& the rest of the praghasa group) would make the jump after the old peace, restarting the old war

[brazen seal]

me getting lost in the lore again

[brazen seal]

same

[stiff fable]

as far as we know all of the sentients who went to the Origin System did so in the first wave

[brazen seal]

but Lotus being there would imply she came to origin way earlier

[stiff fable]

And never heard from Tau again

[brazen seal]

We crossed the gap, to bring a end to this
Hunhow, somewhere, somehow

[stiff fable]

now, that part is clearly not entirely true if the Old Peace existing is to be believed

[stiff fable]

yeah, that means the Orokin, not the Old War

[strange plinth]

for the tenno to be in tau would mean that they were sent over
operator and adis dialogue show that they were at war
if the peace ends, there has to be at least two waves, no?

[stiff fable]

again, Hunhow specifically didn't know about the Tenno until Ballas revealed it

[brazen seal]

but the sentients did attack the origin system first tho

[stiff fable]

No, because the Orokin can break the peace by destroying the Tau Sentients, which restarts hostilities in the Origin System

[misty salmon]

except that the Orokin can do whatever they like in Tau, because the Origin sentients are cut off

[stiff fable]

yuuup

[misty salmon]

... alternate theory to account for this... Old War starts, Praghasa and co arrive in Origin and start fighting, there is no peace here, it just keeps going... Orokin counter attack to Tau puts down the sentient rebellion there, Old Peace.... two independent things.

[stiff fable]

that's possible, actually

[glacial bough]

Praghasa and Hunhow only jump for the latter half

[strange plinth]

possibly
the operator still has to come back to the origin system
can't do that if the rail's broken
assuming that they're physically in tau as stated before

[dense nest]

The old peace maybe ballas deal with hunhow ballas get natah sentient can learn about warframe and tenno and adapt disquised as school.

[glacial bough]

All the names we know can only jump during this latter half

[brazen seal]

[misty salmon]

I still think we just used transference to be "in tau" around our warframe, while we were still bound to lua where the Orokin could keep us a secret, and under close control.

[brazen seal]

tho, based on Adrian
they only destroyed the rail at the "ending the war" part

[stiff fable]

The reason there can't have been two waves is that it means two "Praghasas"

and that just seems beyond reason

[brazen seal]

it can't go back ?

[stiff fable]

cannot

Making the jump lobotomized her

[misty salmon]

no it almost got destroyed getting here in the first place.

[strange plinth]

which isn't that big of a deal, i don't think?
they self-replicate
we know about the second because it "worked," and the first lost to the warframe + tenno combo

[stiff fable]

But there's no communication, remember?

[brazen seal]

I love this meme

[strange plinth]

where's the bit with no communication coming from
all i can think of is that tau went silent completely after the old war

[misty salmon]

it is a very useful meme for this channel

[stiff fable]

I thought it was "since" the old war?

which implied it happened during?

[glacial bough]

There doesn't have to have been fighting in the Origin technically. But we know for a fact Hunhow destroys the Rail after using it to get back. That can only ever take place after whenever this Peace is

[stiff fable]

That timeline never made sense given the counter invasion

[brazen seal]

DE really needs to publish an official timeline huh

[strange plinth]

the sentients were able to take over a ton of orokin tech before the warframes were made to counter them, though
which would imply that the sentients and orokin coexisted for a bit in tau, or the sentients were in origin prior to the old peace

[stiff fable]

(They were)

[strange plinth]

hopefully the actual release of old peace will shine some light on it lol

[stiff fable]

"Can you believe we used to be at war?"

[misty salmon]

Sentients attacked Origin before the Old Peace, definitely

[glacial bough]

They really can't have

[stiff fable]

but yeah the devs probably won't release a timeline until close to the game's ending

so they can keep moving stuff around as they like

[misty salmon]

they have to have... Warframes weren't developed until after the Sentient attack

[glacial bough]

After the War started

That doesn't need to mean attacks on Origin, it can mostly be events like the Mag Codex. The Orokin attempt to invade Tau and keep getting their teeth kicked in

[stiff fable]

The Orokin wouldn't start out invading Tau

[misty salmon]

Hmm... I thought the Mag codex fit in as an Origin counter attack on Tau

[stiff fable]

they didn't think the Sentients had become sapient

[strange plinth]

grineer were militarized in response to a mining base getting hit by sentients
which could happen in tau, but is far more likely to happen in origin

[brazen seal]

maybe if the orokin and the sentients coexisted a bit in Tau before the war even started

[misty salmon]

but my thoughts on the timeline has the Sentients rebelling before the Orokin actually got a settlement into Tau... if I flip that I could see the Old War starting in Tau.

[brazen seal]

we def know abt hunhow's attack

[glacial bough]

Not starting out, but first attempts at crossing over being failure would jump to fighting very quick

[brazen seal]

but then if there was only 1 raid into origin
how can Lotus be with the tenno when hunhow attacks

it is explicit said that she was born in tau

[glacial bough]

Lotus jumps back with Hunhow

[stiff fable]

isn't the entire point that the Sentients realized the Orokin would destroy Tau, and so decided to attack and destroy the Origin System first?

[glacial bough]

All the names we know jump together at the same time, and that can only happen after this Peace

[stiff fable]

Like, there's NO point in turning on the relay for the Orokin otherwise

and again, that would mean they know about the Tenno

Which cannot be true

[brazen seal]

so orokin and sentients did coexisted in tau for a brief moment before the actual war
makes enough sense

[glacial bough]

Dpeends on who's word you take. Ballas just says that and just that they went to War. Natah says that the Orokin sent a fleet

Both allow for the majority of the fighting to happen on Tau

[strange plinth]

ropalolyst dialogue leans more towards an orokin fleet sent first
"So the golden wrath came."
but it could just as easily be leaving out that the sentients attacked first, as all it says is that their light was "changed"

[stiff fable]

I dunno, that doesn't sound right

Because that would mean the infestation was unleashed on Tau, not the Origin System

[brazen seal]

I do think the golden wrath came is analogy to the warframes controled by the tenno bc of the next phrase
"then i was born"

which would not imply that early in the war

[strange plinth]

golden wrath could apply to anything the orokin did that worked, tbf
if they attacked first or if its the tenno
(most likely the tenno tho yeah)

[stiff fable]

I've always kinda suspected that she's older than the Tenno though

[strange plinth]

sentient mimic queen, made to burrow into the nest of the tenno
or at least that was her purpose at a certain point

[brazen seal]

so.....
sentients and orokin coexisted, sentients realise they bad
war starts
orokin create tech stuff and send to tau
sentients hack it and send it back
the only thing that slighty works is necramechs
but they couldn't survive long in tau prob ?
rest everyone knows

[stiff fable]

Yeah, her being remade into a war machine makes much more sense

[brazen seal]

the hacking part of the sentients would make some sense actually

[stiff fable]

given that's what happened to the OTHER sentients

[strange plinth]

nercamechs got bodied by a ropalolyst before they really got off the ground tbf

actually wait

"You know, I remember when the Tombjockey took its first faltering steps into the Lux-Severin Hotzone. Experimental Necramech. Low CoG, squat little guy, built for endurance.
Didn't make it seven paces before some wide-winged hell-clown I'd never seen before ripped it apart like a Kubrow going at a raggedy-kai."
Lux-Severin Hotzone
kinda could be anywhere actually

[stiff fable]

shakes fist at devs

ultimately the devs are probably going to retcon something, somewhere

[misty salmon]

hmm, only Tau locations we know of are... Boro Overlook, the School and Perintol Crater?

[strange plinth]

thought i had something but that just says that Father saw it happen
which kinda implies origin? but there's nothing saying he couldn't go to tau or have a recording or whatever to see it happen there afaik

[brazen seal]

WAIT

[misty salmon]

Lux Severin is Latin, roughly "Harsh light"

[brazen seal]

it does say sentients were attacking deimos
which made the orokin from citrine to explode deimos into infestation

the same infestation that wouldn't be there for warframes to exist

[stiff fable]

That's the Grey Strain they unleashed

[glacial bough]

That would already be after they made the jump back from Origin

[brazen seal]

[stiff fable]

Not the regular infestation that we fight elsewhere

[glacial bough]

Citrine already existed before Deimos got covered

[brazen seal]

damn
I feel dumber now
didn't thought of that

[misty salmon]

the infestation's been around for a very long time... the "techrot" of 1999 seems to be a possible precursor to the Helminth strain that we use.

[stiff fable]

it's not directly

The technocyte was tested in Hollvania, but wasn't just there

The techrot is basically the technocyte copying 1999-era tech, vs. the infestation copying Orokin-era tech

[brazen seal]

well, the big part of the old war do seem to happened after the old peace

long enough for warframes to become popular enough to be bodyguards and everything

[strange plinth]

a lot of the important pieces would i think
the first bit would be the orokin desperately trying to find something to counter the sentients before finally landing on warframe + tenno

[misty salmon]

Old Peace does have to somehow fit within the current Old War timeframe yes.

[lean garden]

I mean, its not complicated

[dense nest]

The most possible way

[lean garden]

the Old Peace just happens before the Outer Terminus Rail is destroyed, before Lua is attacked and before Lua is hidden in the Void

[brazen seal]

that part we know
now we wanna know if the old war actually started in Tau

[misty salmon]

yup, and after the Orokin get desperate enough to develop the Warframes and get the Tenno off of ice.

and into, other ice.

[strange plinth]

ice to more conscious ice

[brazen seal]

a cooler ice

[strange plinth]

could fit with what we now know as tau's binary stars
but was that planned at the time lmao

[brazen seal]

Can we see the names of the other 2 regions that we didn't go in the demo ?

Or is it all into that tau's moon

[misty salmon]

only that Perintol Crater was one other option when they went to Boro Overlook, didn't get a mouse over the third.

[hushed talon]

I just realised something (idk if this obvious with most people)
But its about the significance of the name Uriel, out 63rd warframe.
Despite its devilish appearance, The name Uriel, is often identified as a cherub or of angelic appearance. Seen as someone who stands at the "Gate Of Eden with a fiery sword" - Now this may give us an idea of what his potential abilities could be? Maybe an Exalted Weapon perhaps? possibly.

Another thing to mention, Uriel in often most religious beliefs is said to be the "Angel of Wisdom or Truth" and to "Delivers God's Message" - Now this highlights possible lore implications the game has, as well as to possible why DE utilised Wisp and Harrow to be our latest protoframe, with Proto Harrow taking the appearance of a Priest, whilst Proto Wisp is a Nun.

Now about "Delievering God's message?" - this could indicate Uriel's significance for the Old Peace Quest (ik hes gonna be more of a side quest but oh well).

I just found this interesting when I searched up the significance of the name Uriel.

[stiff fable]

Nice write up, but remember that Uriel is a demonic themed frame who's titled "the Heretic of Truth"

[hushed talon]

I know that, but I like how DE went around how his name is an antithesis of what he is.

I found it interesting

[stiff fable]

Warframe's split on whether names are used accurately or more for vibes

Like, Garuda has nothing to do with birds and a lot to do with Elizabeth Bathory

[strange plinth]

yeah
there's also the "in banishment" bit
so there might be a meaning behind that conflict

[hushed talon]

You, mean the French serial killer?

I actually didnt know that

[misty salmon]

and yet Albrect seems to be going to him for advice anyway.... I could see the Orokin finding the actual truth heretical as well.

[strange plinth]

she does have the pinning prey/enemy on a spike thing in common with shrikes, but yeah

[stiff fable]

Hungarian but yes

Or, Slovakian I guess, given the era

[hushed talon]

Maybe im thinking of something else, idk I just remember watching castlevania Nocturne and that name, was the name of a serial killer XD

[stiff fable]

Ah yeah that's where they got it from

Bathory is the one who murdered girls to bathe in their blood as a youth tonic

[strange plinth]

yup

[brazen seal]

Maybe when he was not a warframe he spoke the truth, orokin didn't like it and did it to him and now he's known as that

[stiff fable]

Seems plausible

[hushed talon]

Possibly why he was labeled as a heretic, then was forced to be a warframe. Taking on the devilish appearance.

[brazen seal]

Would be just another orokin magic of changing history to their favor

[vague lark]

Idea Nora should be Octavia's proto😭

[stiff fable]

Nahhhh

[hushed talon]

We need someone to do nightwave

[strange plinth]

she already got glassed, we don't have to helminth her too,,,

[hushed talon]

The glassmaker was such a weird nightwave

[stiff fable]

She's actually TOO fabulous for Octavia

[hushed talon]

I would miss hearing her voice when im in my base of operations too

[brazen seal]

Talking abt octavia
I wonder how much can DE hold to NOT make the naga drums music

[vague lark]

She gotta be black cuz she acts like it😭

[hushed talon]

I guarantee we will hear them in Tau 2026

[stiff fable]

She's based on the radio DJ from The Warriors

[hushed talon]

Give it atleasr a year.

[vague lark]

This is awesome

[vague lark]

I see

[stiff fable]

https://youtu.be/Nmy1VrHQETU

[hushed talon]

Damm that sounds soo good

[stiff fable]

Funny story, same actress was in a Carmen Sandiego show as the Chief

[vague lark]

Sounds like her

[stiff fable]

But yeah Nora's a full on homage

[hushed talon]

I wish we could listen to her radio show properly, if anyone remember Far Cry were the Villains would talk about the recent things thats happened in the game?
I wish we had that but for us.

[stiff fable]

Same camera angles and shtick

The big problem is that writing and developing for Nightwave was cutting into main game development

It's one of the reasons New War took so long >.>

[hushed talon]

Damm, I guess thats fair though

Tbf it was nice having unique story stuff ish having like, the wolf of Saturn 6, the emissary and the glassmaker

it felt like their was other stuff going on in the world of warframe.

rather than just us, dealing with whatever we had going on

[stiff fable]

Yeah, I think they could do more with that. We shouldn't be the main character of everything, makes the world feel smaller

[strange plinth]

yeah
a shame that nw eats into other production so much
i wonder if they could dedicate a team to it or something
or if they don't have the people to do that
dunno their uhh internal structure as far as that goes

[misty salmon]

wonder how much writer time it would take to do little sidestory vignettes in the inbox every once in a while. Nothing major enough to actually require our intervention, but silly stuff happening on the side. Boon manages to put a tag somewhere embarrassing on Neff's statue and just has to tell... somebody... so he steals the Tenno's contact off Duck (of course she knows) and boasts about it to us. Or Darvo's random sale stories, like the one where he got scammed by the mysterious heiress.

[strange plinth]

people would probably complain about inbox clutter or something
but that would also be nice
a little more work but some more random nora lines would also be cool

[unkempt lichen]

My bad if I didnt pay attention to the whispers in the walls quest but what is the dimension that shares the sanctum anatomica tile set? Is it the void or something else?

[stiff fable]

it hasn't been explained much, but it seems to be Wally's personal domain

[unkempt lichen]

Thank you. Its been bugging me for a while. I see all the the "statues" ig, of the man in the wall all over the sky box and it was hard to tell if it was an actual manifestation of the void or something wally created separate from it

But thank you

[reef citrus]

nora got glassed?!?!

[strange plinth]

briefly, yeah
by nihil, the glassmaker
she got her body back tho

[reef citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/vae-gif-15357506855217945854

i... dont remember that

[misty salmon]

that's the other problem with the nightwave events... a lot of dev work and you only actually get the story if you're there for it. The Nihil boss fight was very confusing having not actually done the investigation that led up to it.

the more recent temporary events have been tending away from packing all the story in the event itself, there's a quest or a node at least that discloses things for people who missed it.

[strange plinth]

yeah
prelate's just on deimos
wolf and nihil are in nora's shop
almost no explanation of any of it

[reef citrus]

a lot of lore is "hidden" behind past operations too

like how saladV got cured of the infestation

[normal mountain]

Or how he got Infested in the first place

[manic basin]

can anyone explain all of warframe lore in five words or less?

[strange plinth]

orokin bad

[misty salmon]

I could add three words to that, but I'd probably trigger an automatic censor bot.

[mystic lynx]

Balls, Albrecht, Wall, Infested, War

[strange plinth]

i mean i could add two more:
trauma. lots.

[misty salmon]

the five word maximum is really limiting the amount of explaining available

[strange plinth]

why did i glance over "Balls" entirely the first time

[manic basin]

thats actually gives a decent amount of info. thanks all

[tall echo]

Orokin shoot self in foot

[proper crow]

I still want more leverian entries... I want to know more about each warframe's history

I want to know about previous tenno and the cool stuff they did

Basically, I want world building

[strange plinth]

garuda,, please,

[proper crow]

the biggest one is, i hope during the old peace we see kullervo walking around

Or some rumblings of him

Considering he was partially the reason why the tenno rebelled from the Orokin

[pine orchid]

I second this
I know someone has said before that it's unlikely because it's a lot of work, and pulls away from the effort to write other parts of the story
but yknow, I'd still like some more lore on all the various warframes! and it'd be nice to have them in like one place
some have leverian entries, some are hidden in fragments in the codex, and some have quests dedicated to them

[proper crow]

Agreed, I also just want to know more about every culture, things like biology and stuff like that

I want to know how the infestation went from techrot to what it is now

[pine orchid]

yeah, ik there's a bit about ostrons in the plains of eidolon fragments even if they're a bit tricky to find, and I think the orb vallis fragments are the same?

[sly pagoda]

Hubris bites like bear traps

[stark arrow]

Family, Love and Trauma

[manic basin]

i like that one

[stark arrow]

That is not a joke

[feral cape]

Do hypens count?

[sly pagoda]

Love laugh warcrimes. 😉

[dire mountain]

Love, identity, and incredible violence

[manic basin]

another amazing description

[fallen iris]

Drifter and operator same age?

[strange turtle]

Depends on how you mean

[fallen iris]

Aren’t operators stuck at being teenagers or somthin?

[mental tartan]

Its ones of those "yes, but actually no" things.

[strange turtle]

I think they’re pretty probably close in how long they’ve been around chronologically, but the issue is that Duviri was in a loop so we don’t actually know

[mental tartan]

Biologically they are, physically they aren't.

I think

[fallen iris]

Immortal space teenagers

[strange turtle]

Not as far as we know

Like they could be, but we haven’t exactly been in the circumstances to learn it so far

They were around for a bit after the Zariman, then put into stasis/the dream, where they obviously couldn’t age physically and weren’t exactly completely aware of their actual self on account of the locked memories

[distant ivy]

can someone explain this ?

[strange turtle]

Some Warframes are made as Primes first, others have to earn it

[distant ivy]

i know her lore with the myrmidon and stuff, but how does that explain whats written here

[distant ivy]

so she earned it by defeating myrmidon?

[strange turtle]

Ivara’s leverian is about her earning being a Prime, yeah

Actually wait no, misremembered

Ivara Leverian was testing of the design, and potentially an earning of Prime since a dev apparently confirmed the base came before the Prime for Ivara

Mb

[tall echo]

No the tenno were just in cryosleep

[dense nest]

probably both void & cryo/ aged very slowly.

[tall echo]

Just cryo, rell perms transferenced into harrow to escape old age death

[polar sparrow]

So tenno age?

[tall echo]

Yes

[pale cedar]

They're still human

[polar sparrow]

They can't die though right? Since when we die in operator we just transference back

[pale cedar]

Rell died

A transference stream can kill you

[tall echo]

Note: you never hit 0hp in operator mode

[polar sparrow]

Huh

So op just jumps back in?

[tall echo]

Seems like it

[digital grail]

You do hit 0 hp as op you have to fight umbra no frame

Idk if you actually hit 0 I haven't replayed that in a while

[vapid moon]

i have a feeling ayatan stars are in reality those silver flowers encapsulated

[tall echo]

Ayatans existed long before tau was explored

[iron tiger]

Is there a theory as to why the warframe community is so amazeballs

[tall echo]

Because the devs are, although there's obviously a few bad apples

In the community not in DE

[iron tiger]

That is a good theory

[iron tiger]

Honestly the most toxic people I’ve met have been new players

Oddly enough

[tall echo]

Most I've seen were pretty old players

Elitists usually

[iron tiger]

Whattttt no way. What were they so elitist about?

[tall echo]

Various things, although the funniest was claiming that SP is easier than base star chart

[iron tiger]

What 😂

No typa sense

[normal mountain]

I've encountered that claim
The stupidity of it is incredible

[tall echo]

I think his main argument was that it's easier to maintain buffs bc there's more enemies

Comedic, honestly

[iron tiger]

They probably remember base being harder because they were noobs who didn’t have anything

Whereas steel path level players usually have everything

[tall echo]

Nah buffs are their core argument

But like buffs aren't necessary in base

[silk atlas]

If you know what you're doing I can definitely see that because enemy density is really nice for orbs, but the first 10 or so missions in SP when I unlocked it were a slog and a pain to get through.

[tall echo]

You can see that SP is easier than base star chart? Like the whole thing?

They weren't saying only endgame, they meant all of base

[silk atlas]

The entirety? Okay no.

[tall echo]

Including lvl 1-3 E prime

They should make an E prime prime where we fight orokin era grineer

[silk atlas]

In my mind the earlier levels were easier base, the later levels easier in SP

[tall echo]

I'm tired so my humor is decaying

[iron tiger]

So when we say rell got stuck in transference loop intentionally, who does it even mean? Like was the transference just a constant back in forth going in and out of your frame? Or something deeper?

I don’t see how that would stop Wally

[tall echo]

Transference loop? What?

[lean garden]

its what lotus says to try to explain why rell is suffering his condition

which we know, is obviously wrong

[tall echo]

Ah right, lotus, who is actively wrong in that particular quest

Which would be why I forgot

[iron tiger]

So it wasn’t a transference loop? How did he trap Wally?

[tall echo]

He just contained him in his mind

Wally is very weak without his fingies

[iron tiger]

Did he split Wally between his warframes brain and his own body?

[tall echo]

Just his own mind

[silk atlas]

His own body died, he's stuck in the frame.

[tall echo]

Transference into harrow was to prolong his life

[iron tiger]

Ohhhhhh snap

That is interesting

That’s a terrifying fate actually

Imagine you get stuck in like Grendel or something

[tall echo]

Also during the quest wally was starting to take over

[tall echo]

If it's unintentional maybe

Rell wasn't stuck he just knew his body was failing and he needed a solution

[iron tiger]

Wait so Wally is trapped in the void, but also trapped by rell in his mind, but when the chains broke it was in the void, but also Wally has fingers spread around from the original, and he is seen possessing us on occasion? How does that all work together exactly?

[tall echo]

You know that bit of wally that occasionally shows up copying your operator? That's what rell was containing

A fraction of the whole, but still a problem if left unchecked

[iron tiger]

But the chains still broke in the void? How did he chain his void form too?

[tall echo]

That's just duviri being weird, void wally wasn't contained

[iron tiger]

Seemingly he wasn’t, perhaps the red void storm described was a result of energy being released between realities

Or even Wally bleeding

[tall echo]

Things that op experiences affect duviri sometimes

Prime example being drifter getting stabbed with a ghost paracesis before lotus' hand drops down from the sky during the paradox quest

[pale cedar]

Rain of Chains

[iron tiger]

I thought that was just because they were the same person

[tall echo]

Duviri is very weird even by void standards

[pale cedar]

It happens because they are the same person

[tall echo]

Autocorrect moment

[lilac aspen]

Basically Rell was containing Wally quite well until we, the Operator, decided to muck about and do their stuff

Which I guess was either making Wally a bit stronger or it was simply coincidence and Rell was just weakening as we went about doing things.

Rell was Goated though

[tall echo]

Coincidence

[lilac aspen]

Who would win

One incomprehensible entity of great power
Or
Autism

[brazen seal]

autism

[tall echo]

Well it was a fraction of a severely weakened wally

[pale cedar]

Autism Prime

Autism base can't win

[iron tiger]

Was the Zariman drawn back into the origin system because of gate Ballas opened?

[tall echo]

Maybe

[brazen seal]

[lilac aspen]

[tall echo]

It's never stated exactly why it returned, it just pulled a palpatine

[pale cedar]

I think it more happened due to Operator and Drifter meeting each other

[iron tiger]

Why’d we even go to the Zariman in the new war

I’m so confusion on that

[tall echo]

Metaphorical

[iron tiger]

So it was a vision

[tall echo]

And before that, time loop

[pale cedar]

Because it was where we gained powers and part of our history

Wasn't the actual Zariman

[iron tiger]

Oh yeah because we relived our history in the void when Ballas through us in

[misty salmon]

I saw it as a place in both the void and origin where both the op and the drifter could possibly interact... since we can't exist in the same place at the same time.

[iron tiger]

Weird

[pale cedar]

The Tenno's personal timeline has been disrupted. Knowing he cannot kill the Tenno, Ballas has opted to imprison them within their own history. The Tenno will be unable to escape this loop without the paradoxical intervention of an outside force.

Continuing to monitor.

[iron tiger]

So drifter found us in our own history?

[lilac aspen]

Wally decided to just make sure the Operator didn’t have a second of relaxation

“Sorry Kiddo, you ain’t getting no break.”

[pale cedar]

He broke us out of the loop was teleported in when we made the deal as shown on screen

[tall echo]

Only got a break to help a dad

[lilac aspen]

Wally is not that mean
Clearly saw Stalker suffering and went “Oof, okay, one break.”

[iron tiger]

Be we needed this as a quest

It would’ve been on the same level as the old peace

[lilac aspen]

New quest where we just spend the entire time talking to Wally

[iron tiger]

Breaking out of duviri into a time loop of our own history, the escaping to the origin system

Missed opportunity

[lilac aspen]

Let us try to comprehend the incomprehensible and get a massive headache as DE cackles away at us trying to piece together the lore

[iron tiger]

Bro why are they so vague, who does they think they are

[lilac aspen]

That’s the neat part

[iron tiger]

[lilac aspen]

I don’t think even Wally knows

[brazen seal]

wally's version of the operator also be like

[lilac aspen]

We have seen Wally only using other people’s faces
Even its Wall appearance is based on that chart thing of a human body
But modified to reference what Albrecht looked like after he escaped: Blind and flayed to the point of what looked like a massive permanent smile.

The fact Wally has no base face is just part of its incomprehensible state

It’s the Void but also not the Void

Since like
The Void can do its own thing occasionally too without Wally wanting to

Like Duviri

[brittle siren]

Wait does the Chain of Harrow trailer have Uriel earliest model (at 0:26)?

[lean garden]

no

istg everytime someone says that I urge them to actually look at the shadow thing and then look at uriel

[stark arrow]

Nah, it's Vagavond from Duviri

[brittle siren]

Yeah idk why they keep saying that is Uriel

[lean garden]

because people like to think they see something and before checking it they tell everyone they know and their mother

@loud atlas Solar Rails are very much void tech equipment, the notion that they arent are unfounded

[iron tiger]

Any theories on what the Tenno promised Wally?

[bright temple]

Chicken soup

Wally’s just hangry

[pale cedar]

I wonder what happened to the Rails during HoD

[lilac aspen]

Clearly Operator offered Wally the flash light
But then forgot it somewhere in a random storage box and thus can’t give it to Wally

[bright temple]

It’s too dark to eat the soup

can’t find the spoon

[lilac aspen]

It would be
Hilarious if that was actually the deal

[restive river]

Their light

[restive river]

We got it back in the new war

[lilac aspen]

Nah clearly they tossed it in the box again and forgor

[restive river]

If Oro is real our light is that
Otherwise it could be anything from our creativity to our very identity

[restive river]

Maybe after they met up with Drifter

[lilac aspen]

Clearly we give Wally our Oro and then it gains proper empathy.
Then it becomes incredibly sad for what it did clearly
It lives in regret
Defeat Wally by making it feel Operator’s and Drifter’s combined depression arc.