lore-discussion

[proper barn]

yeppers.

[jolly delta]

ohhhh

i get warframe

[strange plinth]

an archimedean, she attempted to heal the tenno after they were recovered from the zariman
she was executed for this, because the other orokin wanted to weaponize them

[jolly delta]

but whos the twink guy on the moon

[sage moat]

margulis gave the tenno therapy, then the orokin leaders were like "these guys would make good soldiers" and margulis said "no" and was killed for it iirc

[proper barn]

Loid.

[sage moat]

theres like 12 twinks on the moon at this point please be more specific

[jolly delta]

loid i think

the hot one

[sage moat]

ALBRECHT gay lover not ballas

[proper barn]

Albretchs gay lover

Kullervo is Ballas gay lover.

[jolly delta]

also question what the balls is duviri

[lean garden]

pls, he didnt even succeed

[jolly delta]

is it like alternate universe warframe

[sage moat]

oh boy.

[proper barn]

no

that teshin is the one from the new war.

[pine orchid]

yesn't ig???

[lean garden]

Its like saying Nick is gatsby's gay lover, he's not, even as gay as they get

[proper barn]

shhhhhhhhhhh

[jolly delta]

ik who teshin is but who is he

[sage moat]

so in the void, thoughts and emotions can become real physical objects. the drifter was lost in the void with only his book --- Tales from Duviri, that taught him how to manage emotions

[jolly delta]

like lore wise

[proper barn]

Dax

that helps us.

[pine orchid]

Duviri is a "universe" but it's one that your Drifter 'birthed' from space trauma and a lot of void juice

[glacial bough]

I question if one has played the game at all from how this is going

[proper barn]

they have

[jolly delta]

so duviri isnt a real place but it became a real place because it wasnt

[proper barn]

just not watched any cutscenes.

for some reason.

[sage moat]

lets not pretend warframe lore isn't dense and confusing

[sage moat]

yknow? kinda. basically. yeah.

[strange plinth]

i mean
there's a lot of it
but none of it is particularly complex on its own i think

[jolly delta]

okay so basically warframe is just magical space drug juice giving people magic powers making them want to become god

[pine orchid]

and scattered all over the place, and as someone with audhd some of them being mission audio logs does not help

[lean garden]

Have you met warframe players? We rival Destiny players in literacy, doubly so if they play both games

[sage moat]

very dumbed down yes

[jolly delta]

aha

i understand it now

thanks guys

[sage moat]

warframe is an elite ruling class getting their heads so far up their own ass that they can't see past the shit they spew, then killing a bunch of people about it. then getting killed about it.

[jolly delta]

im approximately 12% more autistic

[sage moat]

elite ruling class = orokin
people who killed them = tenno! eventually. we were on their side for a little bit

[pine orchid]

I'd say the entire concept of Eternalism is quite complex-
at least if you really want to get into the nitty gritty of it and not just eternalism means spacetime shenanigans

[sage moat]

https://tenor.com/view/timeywimey-dr-who-david-tennant-gif-7863239

[jolly delta]

so basically people just fighting over who can be better and more immortal and autistically powerful pretty much

[sage moat]

yes except the tenno

also don't use the word autistically like that

[jolly delta]

im autistic

[pine orchid]

wtf does autistically powerful mean??? 😭

[sage moat]

thats fair! i still think some people here might not be comfortable with it

[jolly delta]

magic space wizard shenanigans

[proper barn]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxrS58JPiD5bO1dLmyXnq6Vb2FdQNmlAwn?si=iXRUOa1gxfEYnh-V

[sage moat]

let's be honest here, we're in the lore channel of the warframe discord server. i think most of us at least need to start questioning our neurotypicality

[proper barn]

@jolly delta watch this Clip

it's like 1 minute.

[jolly delta]

yeah that's fair

[pine orchid]

I'm autistic and I find it weird to be used like that-
especially when we have Rell the autistic Tenno, who the community loves but was outcast from the other Tenno because he was too different qwq

[proper barn]

should have watched the new war cutscenes

[proper barn]

watch the clip i linked

[jolly delta]

what's a donda

[proper barn]

fidget toy

[pine orchid]

think of it like a fidget toy

space fidget toy

[proper barn]

watch the clip

[jolly delta]

i see now

so the operator and drifter are the same person but no

[proper barn]

don't skip cutscens.

[pine orchid]

yes XD

[jolly delta]

aha

[proper barn]

yes. also the hand you get in duviri

is the hand you regrow her from in the new war.

of lotus

[jolly delta]

WAIT RELLS ACTUALLY AUTISTIC

[sage moat]

imagine there were two of you, and they were raised in radically different environments, and then suddenly you swapped places. that's kinda sorta what happened to the operator and drifter

[proper barn]

yes?

[jolly delta]

THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE

[sage moat]

correct!

[jolly delta]

OHHHHHHHH I GET IT NOW

[proper barn]

other characters also are ADHD

and stuff. Like Amir.

[jolly delta]

amir right

[pine orchid]

Amir feels ADHD + anxiety, poor baby

[jolly delta]

amir is goated

[sage moat]

not as explicit as rell's autism oh wait you're talking about amir yes actually exactly as explicit

[proper barn]

also when i said characters are gay

[jolly delta]

i like that guy

[proper barn]

i meant it btw.

[jolly delta]

i think i figured out how to summarize warframe in 2 words

[proper barn]

Ticker is trans canonicly too.

[jolly delta]

doomed yaoi

[pine orchid]

Loid's theme song(?) Yara Jeliira literally means "Behold my heart"

[proper barn]

Dagath was in a Poly relationship.

they turned out to be evil

[pine orchid]

I love Ticker so much

[sage moat]

yeah loid and albrecht are canonically a... well a really harmful and bad awful couple but a couple regardless

[proper barn]

but it was a fine poly relationship.

[jolly delta]

warframe is literally just doomed yaoi the game

[sage moat]

id say the void war saga definitely is

[jolly delta]

dude the entire plot of warframe is literally doomed yaoi

[proper barn]

"DOOMED" nah i'm getting out i'm built different.

[jolly delta]

it all makes sense now

[sage moat]

the new war saga and beforehand was more childhood trauma the game

[proper barn]

you can date the proto frames.

[pine orchid]

eeehh? the ones before that has straight obsessive toxic narcissistic 'love' (ballas)

[proper barn]

@jolly delta wait did you just think the Cavia

where just talking animals?

[jolly delta]

uh

[proper barn]

that's funny to me.

[jolly delta]

i refuse to elaborate

(what are they)

[pine orchid]

tbf probably the least weird thing in the game

[proper barn]

Cavia are animals exposed to wally and the void

[pine orchid]

if you play d&d, they're like awakened animals

[jolly delta]

oh yeah

[proper barn]

so they can talk they would have died if not for Fib.

[jolly delta]

i knew that

wait so let me get this straight

[sage moat]

god recent updates sure do make a whole lot of sense when you think about the narrative panel and how the lead writer for the game said that being shocking and surprising is a big goal of theirs

[proper barn]

bird Has ADHD Tagfer Has depression

[jolly delta]

albrecht, some science dude from 1999, is the man in the wall, and ALSO grandpa???

[proper barn]

Fib has guilty.

[proper barn]

not The man in the wall

he just was the first to see him.

[sage moat]

he time traveled to 1999 and is not the man in the wall, he's the guy who made/discovered the man in the wall

[jolly delta]

THEN WHO IS THE MAN IN THE WALL

[pine orchid]

ZEK! ZEK! ABA! ZEK! -bird 3 ❤️

[proper barn]

not married to grandma but yes

[jolly delta]

TIME TRAVEL?????

[pine orchid]

lmao what did you think 1999 was?

[jolly delta]

a year

clearly

[pine orchid]

well yes but like

[sage moat]

eldritch demon god created by or discovered by albrecht, something like an embodiment of the void??? something like that??? we don't have a ton of details

[proper barn]

@jolly delta

[pine orchid]

in the context of the game? XD

[jolly delta]

so all these guys were orokin?

[proper barn]

yeah

Loid isn't

but yes.

[jolly delta]

the year people made contact with the void?

i think

[proper barn]

no

[sage moat]

nope! wally invaded 1999

he was not there originally but he also time traveled because. void.

[pine orchid]

yeah no, it was time travel baybeeee!

[proper barn]

albretch did that before the old war.

[proper barn]

well ruslka also let him in.

[jolly delta]

so john wall time traveled to 1999 to invade the world with techroy

also what the piss is techrot

[proper barn]

no

[strange plinth]

infestation
and it was already there

[proper barn]

Techrot was already there .

[pine orchid]

ehh I dont think techrot was wally's thing

[proper barn]

Infestation goes back before 1999.

[sage moat]

techrot is the infestation, already there. arguably it originated in that time period! not 1999 exactly but a few years prior

[pine orchid]

techrot is basically a zombie virus, think of it that way

[proper barn]

tech zombie virus.

[jolly delta]

but like

its computers

[proper barn]

yes

[sage moat]

wally invaded with rusalka (the leader of the scaldra) and his own army, the Murmur

[pine orchid]

yeah

[jolly delta]

so is it a virus but literally

[sage moat]

its zombie computers

[proper barn]

yes

[jolly delta]

what are the scaldra

anti techrot?

[sage moat]

a paramilitary group in 1999

[proper barn]

we literally see signs about don't pirate otherwise you might get a "virus"

being a tech rot Virus.

[jolly delta]

you wouldnt download a crab

[pine orchid]

a longer explanation is techrot does this to you
human + computers = computer zombies*

[sage moat]

yes anti techrot but also like kinda a cult and a paramilitary group rolled into one

[proper barn]

they have anti tech rot stuff it just is also suffering.

[jolly delta]

so i can become warframe

[proper barn]

no

[jolly delta]

i think i get it now

[sage moat]

theoretically?

[proper barn]

Proto frames are also suffering.

[jolly delta]

it all makes sense

[proper barn]

Proto frames will eventually become a warframe.

[jolly delta]

wait but why did john wall time travel back to 1999

[sage moat]

proto frames are something i still just don't like on face but yeah they do also hate it its just slower

[sage moat]

to follow albrecht

[proper barn]

to follow albretch

[jolly delta]

so if you become a warframe you lose conciousness?

[proper barn]

no?

[jolly delta]

why would he do that is he stupid

[sage moat]

moreso you go insane, but yes

[proper barn]

yesn't.

Umbra was consicus

in his moon prison.

he is special though.

[sage moat]

yes but also when albrecht first met him, albrecht accidently cut off one of his fingers then hid it away so wally couldn't find it. think of it like a great eldritch being looking for the missing part of themself so they can become whole and destroy the world. thats exactly what its like.

[pine orchid]

he really likes albrecht, probably can compare it to an obsessive space god-child-man
Albrecht was his first friend! Xd

[jolly delta]

why is albrecht significant

i dont get it

[proper barn]

@jolly delta oh btw Duviri was a book made by Mother. you can hear her in duviri as the narrator btw.

[jolly delta]

he discovered the void?

[proper barn]

first person to travel to the void.

[jolly delta]

when

[proper barn]

unlocking Hyper Space travel.

[sage moat]

first guy to discover the void, arguably the creator of wally, the only guy who knows where wally's finger is, and most importantly, seemingly the only person who knows how to defeat wally

[proper barn]

before the old war.

[jolly delta]

so way after 199?

[sage moat]

beyond his vague words of "love" being the key

[pine orchid]

thousands of years after 1999

[jolly delta]

doomed yaoi 💔

[proper barn]

yes. it's the oldest point we have that's not 1999.

[sage moat]

yes! 1999 is significant because it may be where the great great great great ancestors of the orokin came to be?

[jolly delta]

but why would he travel specifically to 1999

[proper barn]

wally couldn't reach there

[jolly delta]

why

[sage moat]

(except he could)

[proper barn]

at first.

[jolly delta]

but why

its a random ass year

[sage moat]

too far? i don't think its explained in detail

[proper barn]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh?

[pine orchid]

not sure, the y2k might be important

[proper barn]

LET ME GET IT

i have the screenshot

[sage moat]

the techrot might be important too

[jolly delta]

wait i think i figured it out

its the same year resident evil 3 came out

[pine orchid]

yeah, though we dont have explicit explanation why albrecht went there specifically but it could be all sorts of reasons

[jolly delta]

which is why john wall cant go there

[proper barn]

we do have a explantion

[jolly delta]

it all makes sense

[blissful merlin]

LET VINNY GET THE SCREENSHOT

[proper barn]

let me fine it.

[pine orchid]

ah okie

[sage moat]

the doylist reason is because rebecca thought it would be cool

[jolly delta]

i think i understand warframe now

it all makes sense

[proper barn]

you don't

[jolly delta]

wait what are doylists

also who is rebecca

and what are dax

[sage moat]

its a literary thing. doylist = the out of universe explanation, i.e. "the writer thought it was cool"
Watsonian = in universe, i.e. "the character saw it as their only choice"

[proper barn]

@jolly delta here is why 1999.

[sage moat]

creative lead on warframe

[proper barn]

don't you love it?

[sage moat]

elite soldiers sworn to serve the orokin

[jolly delta]

OHH I GET IT WAIT IT MAKES SENSE

[pine orchid]

oh fu- I've never seen that before!

[proper barn]

i had

it's so funny.

[proper barn]

elite soilders that through kuva have to serve the orokin. or just who has the kuva.

[sage moat]

squildigook dividided by gwimblehorn multiplied by squeep carry the norgle is NINETEEN NINETY NINE???

[pine orchid]

I cant decipher the scribblings, but it has uh magic circles looking things??
leylines????

[proper barn]

uh huh.

[jolly delta]

okay so basically albrecht chose to go to 1999 since ♐︎□︎❒︎⧫︎■︎♓︎⧫︎♏︎ 📂︎🖲︎🖲︎🖲︎ ⬥︎♋︎❒︎♐︎❒︎♋︎❍︎♏︎ ♌♓︎♑︎ ♍︎♒︎◆︎■︎♑︎◆︎⬧︎ 𓎢𓅲𓂋𓋴𓅂 𓅱𓆑 𓂋𓄿𓉔 𓏏𓉔𓅂 𓎡𓅲𓇋𓎢𓈎 𓃀𓂋𓅱𓅃𓈖 𓆑𓅱𓇨 𓄿𓃭𓋴𓅱 𓅃𓄿𓂋𓆑𓂋𓄿𓅓𓅂

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW OHHHH

[proper barn]

teshin and Varzia are the last ones alive.

oh ballas and the family are the last orokin.

[sage moat]

wait isn't there a codex entry that says the reason albrecht went to 1999 was because ||CURSE OF RA 𓎢𓅲𓂋𓋴𓅂 𓅱𓆑 𓂋𓄿𓉔 𓏏𓉔𓅂 𓎡𓅲𓇋𓎢𓈎 𓃀𓂋𓅱𓅃𓈖 𓆑𓅱𓇨 𓄿𓃭𓋴𓅱 𓅃𓄿𓂋𓆑𓂋𓄿𓅓𓅂||

[jolly delta]

what about lotus

[sage moat]

lotus is a sentient

[proper barn]

sentient

yeah.

[jolly delta]

oh makes sense

[proper barn]

mimic queen made to inflitrate the orokin

and destory them from the inside.

[jolly delta]

by who

[proper barn]

The senteints?

[jolly delta]

who made her

[pine orchid]

Lotus has a bit of an identity crisis because of it, poor spacemom 😔

[jolly delta]

oh

[proper barn]

hunhow?

[jolly delta]

so the sentients were made by the orokin, but turned

[sage moat]

the sentients are self replicating yeah

[proper barn]

Hunhow is her dad.

[sage moat]

correct, them fighting was the old war

[proper barn]

"Turned"

everything turns agaisnt the orokin.

[sage moat]

there was maybe a truce in the middle of the old war? the old peace (upcoming update) will explain how THAT fits

[proper barn]

@jolly delta also Lotus did her job. mostly.

[pine orchid]

Sentients were like "wait a minute!!! you're just gonna pollute and destroy this other place too!! and we don't like it!" >:(

[sage moat]

I maintain that "the old peace" is a stupid name

[proper barn]

i love it

cuz it is so dumb.

[jolly delta]

also whos ordis

[proper barn]

Wait do you know what happened to the orokin?

[jolly delta]

is he just like a helpful silly little gu

[pine orchid]

I mean it's paralleling the Old War so like XD
Old War and Old Peace

[pine orchid]

yes, he loves the operator

[jolly delta]

wait

[proper barn]

guy turned into a computer.

[jolly delta]

what if the man in the wall is clem

[proper barn]

as all celphons.

[proper barn]

also he's not.

[jolly delta]

what if clem is albrecht from the future

[livid hare]

was a badass mercenary guy, turned into your wetnurse

[pine orchid]

Ordis has more backstory too but idk if you can handle all the info rn there's a lot XD

[sage moat]

spoilers on ordis lore (its really good i recommend watching a video): ||old super strong warrior who tried killing the orokin and got turned into a subservient butler to you for it||

[proper barn]

no

@jolly delta do you know what happened to the orokin?

[sage moat]

or odvinsko can just say it sure

[jolly delta]

they got killed by the sentients?

[proper barn]

no

lmao

[pine orchid]

no they got killed by us the Tenno Xd

[proper barn]

yeah.

[jolly delta]

oh yeah

same thing

[proper barn]

Lotus inflitration worked. she just refused to kill us.

[jolly delta]

potato tomato

[proper barn]

Which was the last part of the plan.

[sage moat]

they killed margulis cause she wasn't into us being used as child soldiers and then we were like ">:("

[proper barn]

yeah.

[jolly delta]

is margilus lotus and natah

[proper barn]

no?

[pine orchid]

which does make me hope we get to see the original Margulis in this new arc qwq

[proper barn]

Margilus was a archimedian that "loved" ballas or was loved by ballas.

[jolly delta]

ohhhh

[sage moat]

natah was made to imitate margulis, under the name of "the lotus"

[proper barn]

and she died

[jolly delta]

so lotus and natah are the same tho right

[sage moat]

yes

[proper barn]

yes.

Mimic Queen Drink.

[sage moat]

ehhh? mostly. there's some DID stuff going on there

[eager dragon]

My theory is that since it's been revealed in a recent Hex chat it's revealed the tech rot jump-starts the radiation wars and other events that lead to the Orokin, 1999 was a very convenient time to erase the tech rot with the nuclear reactor, preventing the Orokin from forming as we know them. Thus, Albrecth would not exist, and Wally would not exist (with him being enable to do anything as he was still cobfined to a single strand of khra due to his finger). This created a Paradox that was enough to stall Wally from getting to Albrecht.

[jolly delta]

so albrecht is not evil and acually a good guy?

[pine orchid]

when the Natah quest came around, my friend and I were like "omg I cant believe Teshin would deadname Lotus like that" XD

[sage moat]

albrecht is extremely complicated

[jolly delta]

what does deadname mean

[sage moat]

hes trying to be good, he really is, he's just making a lot of bad choices along the way

[proper barn]

EHHHHHHHH. 1 2 3 people wanna kill him that are our allies.

One of them being a Cavia 2 of them being protos.

[pine orchid]

like I said, a lot of the factions and characters arent just good or evil, they're more complex than that

[proper barn]

saying someones name before they "transitioned" or "came out" usually.

basiclly calling someone a name they don't wanna be called.

[eager dragon]

To be fair they are (rightfully) biased. Albrecht is simply pragmatic - he's taking on the indifferent choices so that we don't have to.

[jolly delta]

so warframe is basically just random bs strung together to make sense in the bare minimum

[sage moat]

teshin sure does know a lot and has a lot of powers that he shouldn't have do you think we're ever getting elaboration on that or are they leaving it at "he's super cool and awesome" and leaving him in duviri

[feral cape]

No

[pine orchid]

say I was born John
then I decided, no I don't like it I wanna be Natasha
so someone calling me John is called "deadnaming"

[proper barn]

you say that like he doesn't literally say he did the cavia experiments cuz he got high with loid.

[proper barn]

wrong

[sage moat]

you are 1000000% right however that is because every story ever is exactly this

[jolly delta]

im too tired for this

[sage moat]

no no no, the drink is correct.

[jolly delta]

im gonna sleep now

[pine orchid]

you probably are

[sage moat]

good night The Drink

[proper barn]

mods TAKE THEIR KIDNEYS

[jolly delta]

good night guys

[pine orchid]

gnight!

[proper barn]

goodnight.

[feral cape]

Albrecht is evil in a good way

[jolly delta]

i understand warframe 9.29% more now

[proper barn]

lul

[pine orchid]

nice number

[jolly delta]

this sentence is exactly why im going to sleep now

[eager dragon]

He was trying to get Wally to become dumber - were it had worked, it would have been completely justified. Even now, they are keeping the Murmur at bay with the help of the Tenno - something that just Loid wouldn't be able to do all on his own.

[jolly delta]

ikr

[feral cape]

You can not deny his actions are for the betterment of humanity or more accurately all of existence

[proper barn]

he literally still did it for the reason i said.

[feral cape]

But he also really sucks and would off you if that ment wally died

[pine orchid]

he said what 😭

[proper barn]

It was a "high-idea"

[feral cape]

Every action he takes is to stop wally he will take any action that stops wally

[sage moat]

now that that newb is gone lets talk about the real lore questions.
are we ever going to get to wingman for quinn? i wanna help him get a partner he seems lonely

[pine orchid]

if there's any more reason to hate what albrecht has done

[sage moat]

the operator collects parental figures like pokemon cards and i think they all deserve happy endings. hunhow included

[feral cape]

The only women hed like is uhhhh committed both relationship wise and isn't looking to travel now

[eager dragon]

To be fair, so were alot of scientific theories. I mean, quantum physics by itself requires you to get high to make head and tails of.

[pine orchid]

it might be a little difficult considering they're void ghosts now, but maybe he could get with one of the other holdfasts?

[pine orchid]

this is so real me in school trying to understand how smth is both up and down

[proper barn]

"I realized my error as I sweated by visionary nestawood cinders, beside Loid who curled pale and sick from chewing too much of the root. The catalyst was uniqueness. That attribute was what caught the interest of the bland and undifferentiated Void."

[sage moat]

hey hey wait wait i got an idea

[proper barn]

he literally was getting High with Loid who couldn't hang

[sage moat]

a real one.
Why is hunhow called the destroyer of worlds?

what world did hunhow destroy?

[proper barn]

probably some moons

[pine orchid]

I mean he was right in the end, but... the poor cavia he doesnt even take care of them after QwQ

[eager dragon]

Burn the old world to seed it with new life is my interpretation- being a terroforming engine and what not.

[sage moat]

what if he messed up tau? what if he's part of the reason the old war got reignited?

[feral cape]

"Destroyer of worlds" is a title

[sage moat]

also i need to vent my "adis is hunhow" theory. it makes no sense and its basically impossible but if i don't say it now ill never get it out of my head

[feral cape]

Also destroying the world doesn't mean that he destroyed the physical planet

[pine orchid]

i so getchu, go for it lmao

not the adis is hunhow part but the theoryworm part

[feral cape]

Uprooting all of human society is also commonly called "destroying the world"

[sage moat]

it just boils down to me thinking adis is the person who reignited the old war mixed with me wanting hunhow to be involved in reignited the old war there's no solid evidence.

[sage moat]

true yeah

[swift sentinel]

Sentient Destroyer of Worlds is an aspirational title

[pine orchid]

I can throw you a bone with
Adis piloting a Hunhulus?

[swift sentinel]

The fact the smaller Sentients can pilot/become larger ones means the Hunhow theory at least has a hook to hang on

Unlike so many Warframe theories

[sage moat]

i like that we all were really up in arms about the old peace at first and quickly settled on "oh yeah there was just a treaty"

[pine orchid]

yeah, though I still need to know how Adis is doing it like
is there a special interfacing mechanism in the Hunhulus for a Sentient?
can any Sentient do it or just Adis?
gameplay dialogue implies Adis is unique, almost like a prototype Sentient

[sage moat]

yeah sure that makes sense. "Why wasn't it mentioned?" cause it wasn't written yet dummy

i think adis is extremely special because the archimedean mentions him being examined by the seven for evolution

[pine orchid]

also in canon, the Orokin Empire can always do some revisionism because they'd do that

[pine orchid]

my personal pet theory is that Adis is special because they have Trasference tech fitted into them :p

[eager dragon]

It might be an attempt to give sentients transference- considering the similarity between the Hunhulus and Albrecht's Statutes (forgot their name), and the Operator saying "like me" when describing Adis.

[pine orchid]

and we've seen people, non-Tenno, use transference (and get stuck, like Silvana the Silver Grove)

[sage moat]

possibly, then that fits with my other no-evidence theory that adis is an experiment in seeing if the orokin can make a robotic body to transfer into. no more yuvans, pure immortality.
I doubt it! but you never know

[pine orchid]

Going further into possibly crack territory
IT'S TOTALLY BALLAS HE'S MAKING SENTIENT TRANSFERENCE PILOTS TO REPLACE US THE TENNO /hj

[sage moat]

...possibly? maybe this was his first attempt at getting rid of the tenno? making them obsolete? replacing them with something more easily controlled?

makes more sense than my "thousand year long power grasping" idea

[eager dragon]

That could work, actually. My personal belief is that this entire treaty is Ballas' work, and that whatever Orokin is leading the separatists (has to be an Orokin, 'cause Dax) has some personal beef with Ballas.

[pine orchid]

ooh that could make sense... we do see Ballas become a sentient hybrid after his little 'accident'

[sage moat]

oh i think ballas is leading the seperatists

[eager dragon]

After all, Ballas is constantly shown to "side" with the Sentients - he secretly was behind them, teh vitruvian, the ease with which he created Narmer, and how he appears to be the "face" of the treaty with what little we seen.

[pine orchid]

that's why Adis is paired up with a Tenno, to learn how we fight and control our warframes
that's why he has his own mech to pilot, something to mimic the warframes but more akin to Sentient

[sage moat]

i think this entire stint in tau is him playing both sides in order to garner sympathy with the sentients so when he destroys the orokin empire and flees to tau, they welcome him with open arms

[eager dragon]

I don't think so, not only due to the points I outlined above, but also because from a narrative standpoint it would be really boring to make him the main villain again.

[blissful merlin]

Can’t wait to show ADIS in 2026 he’s not the only one who has a giant ahhhhh mecha suit lmao.

[sage moat]

that's the thing, i don't think he is the main villain

[pine orchid]

it'd be boring to me personally to just have Ballas be the only main mastermind in everything, especially when we now have an opportunity to be introduced to more of the Orokin Empire

[sage moat]

i think what's going on with the seperatists is going to just be background info for the more relevant conflict between us and adis

[pine orchid]

maybe even more of the Seven

[sage moat]

that i can agree with yeah

[blissful merlin]

The transference noise continues to be satisfying to hear. No matter what’s going on in story, hearing the noise always sends a chill down my spine

[sage moat]

also i kinda hate thinking that ballas planned thousands of years in advance and collapsed a civilization so he would be the one god king instead of one of seven. its in character i just don't like it

[pine orchid]

I think I see Ballas' motivation as still being haunted by Margulis' execution
Margulis is his obsession
and he likes being in power as part of the Orokin Empire, he just hates everyone and everything that took his Margulis away from him

[sage moat]

i think the center stones we can agree on are that

1. we're doing this to get to tau
2. we're going to tau to find albrecht
3. adis will be important to either our history or our present

i think adis will directly be our key to tau somehow

[pine orchid]

I vote for both on 3!

[eager dragon]

Also the Operator will relieve more trauma (I'm basing this on that one frame flash of eye-less Margulis)

[sage moat]

i think us killing that sentient in front of adis is what reignites the old war, and i think modern-day adis is still alive. maybe he's the king of tau, or something

[pine orchid]

wait you right... do we think that is a clue that we might see Margulis take on a more central role in the old peace??

[sage moat]

OR tau is completely desolate and there is nothing left there, but i think that'd be unsatisfying so i don't think that'd happen

[pine orchid]

I swear if this is because Tenno DIDNT GIVE THAT BABY A HUG

[eager dragon]

I think it probably has something to do with Loid refering to these memories as "polluted". I doubt they are entirely false, but at the same time I don't think this is exactly what happened.

[lean garden]

unironically I think its not what reignites the Old War

I think its a foreshadowing of what is to come for you and Adis, and that reignites the Old War

[eager dragon]

Probably the first step. The Tenno killing in self-defense (even if they are effectively immortal) once shouldn't start the war. Destabilise the peace, sure, but not start the war.

[sage moat]

yeah that's what i mean

i don't think one sentient dies and they go "oh i guess they're betrayers now. kill them all"

[reef citrus]

i really hope its not the case

[pine orchid]

it looks more like the first crack in operator and adis' relationship tbh

I swear if we dont get an option to hug Adis I will RIOT

[reef citrus]

that sentient had a core override and during the demo the separatist npc( i think) said that the core override cant be reversed

[pine orchid]

WE CAN HUG THE CAVIA, LET US HUG ADIS

[eager dragon]

I do wonder though - why did the Operator kill the Sentient? We know the Tenno can't be killed (Ballas would have done that then), so why did they feel the need to kill the Sentient?

[pine orchid]

they said "you cant heal a core override" which I think can be interpreted differently imo

like, maybe Adis' healing is more physical for the Sentient, and a core override is more akin to mental? that's why Adis' powers don't work on it

[pine orchid]

could be adrenaline! they are child soldiers after all

[reef citrus]

a tenno cant be killed but a warframe can(correct me if im wrong)

[pine orchid]

a warframe can be destroyed Im pretty sure, we scraped off Umbra's remains and remade him in our Foundry

[eager dragon]

Yeah, but somehow I doubt the Tenno have that great of a connection to it. It's most likely war instincts from fighting the Sentients pre-truce.

[reef citrus]

adis called that sentient a hive-kin right?

and adis and that sentient are the only ones we see with that type of sentien face

[eager dragon]

Vomvalysts have something similar.

[pine orchid]

yeah, the sentients seem to use bug imagery
like how Erra says about Natah
"Queen of the aphids" or "You were meant to be a queen, yet you let the bees control you"

[sage moat]

BUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am a massive bug fan. why do you think titania is my number 1 favorite warframe

[eager dragon]

Worm has taught me how terrying bugs can be if only they had a central, sentient mind controlling them.

[sage moat]

oraxia, nidus, and inaros are also up there

[reef citrus]

maybe adis is a "hive-kin" and got mad at us for killing another of his type

[sage moat]

i think adis is more mad we killed something with thoughts and emotions than just mad we killed his cousin or something

[eager dragon]

Absolutely. Probably not "mad", but definitely... sad? Disappointed? Something along those lines.

[pine orchid]

I thought hive-kin is just their way of calling other sentients, like how we'd call ppl unrelated to us brother or smth

[pine orchid]

could be all of them at once even Xd
but it was enough to make him cry and turn away from us

[reef citrus]

sentient units in the origin system are more like battle drones unlike the sentients in the demo

[pine orchid]

imagine, instead of my brother in []
sentient version is like my hive-kin in hunhow XD

[reef citrus]

that sentient teacher is a summulyst btw

[pine orchid]

that is true, there's more pacifistic roles in the sentients in tau especially since their original purpose there was terraforming

[proper barn]

@cartilynvega you can Hug the Cavia

[proper barn]

Yes I knew that from playing Caliban a lot recently.

[pine orchid]

yeah, unlocked the option recently I was SOBBING fr 😭

[proper barn]

They are all so sweet.

[reef citrus]

i still need to rank up cavia to 5

[pine orchid]

that's why I said DE BEETER GIVE US HUGGING ADIS 😭

[proper barn]

Can't play EDA

[eager dragon]

Meh, it's not that hard, especially since Netracells now actually give standing (thank the Void for that change) (I think, haven't done them in a while)

[strange turtle]

10,000 ants and wasps attack

[pine orchid]

I feel like our story with Adis is gonna end with more trauma- wait
what if that's the reason we were put into cryosleep by margulis? because we were so distraught over our fight with Adis we started hearing Wally?
might be a stretch but idk

[eager dragon]

And Spiders. Silk is surprisingly useful. And just the spacial awareness alone is amazing.

[strange turtle]

No there’s a worm meme of that I just didn’t have the image

[eager dragon]

Ah, I haven't really seen much of the memes other than that one youtube channel.

[strange turtle]

I figured 50/50 you’d already seen it and just posted the caption

[reef citrus]

eda?

whats that

[eager dragon]

Aw Dang it! No, I'm afraid I hadn't seen it

[strange turtle]

Elite Deep Archimedea

[eager dragon]

Elite Deep Archemidea - it's Netracells on steroids.

[reef citrus]

i think i never played archimedea

[eager dragon]

I mean, if you're not at rank 5 I don't think you can play it.

[strange turtle]

You go to Necraloid on the second floor of labs I think after rank 5

[reef citrus]

i can play but never tried because lazy

[pine orchid]

but it unlocks at rank 5 cavia?

and you said you havent 😅

[reef citrus]

nvm i can play temporal* archimedea

that one i have unlocked

[eager dragon]

That is so fitting I can't 😂

[pine orchid]

I wonder if The Void and Voidtongue was ever part of religion in the wf universe
we've got at least 2 songs that sound like hymns in voidtongue, and now a priest and nun protoframe also speaking in voidtongue appearing next to the devil frame 🤔

[lofty rune]

losing my mind over these two example religious icons from liger’s concept arts for lyon/harrow, what do you MEAN you used your boys as icons, huh? what,,
(also arthur is captioned ‘second son/sun’, loid is captioned ‘first son/sun’, if anyone is curious)

[pine orchid]

they give me tarot card vibes, together with the other two above them

[pine orchid]

also I'm not super familiar with Liger yet, are Arthur and Loid their favourite characters from warframe?

or is it that they also designed Arthur and Loid?

[lofty rune]

liger designed both of them!

[pine orchid]

oooh! okay that makes more sense now lmao

[lofty rune]

loving how loid’s Bosom Window™ gets ever so slightly toned back for the religious iconography, but it’s too iconic to entirely remove

critical part of his design

[pine orchid]

a bosom window in this dualistic server?? perish the thought!

[lofty rune]

equal opportunity cleavage

[pine orchid]

these two though, personifications of sol and lua?

[eager dragon]

Isn't Liger like, the main reason why DE magically learned to make human faces?

[pine orchid]

is that also like... Ostron text above him?

[stray herald]

Oraxia boss fight be like

https://youtu.be/0-myM_7xc94?si=Yv9JnrMO1xdc9d7Q

[eager dragon]

I think that's the 1999 orokin script, no?

[stray herald]

I mean, the text is present in 1999 era

[proper barn]

@lofty rune okay So Albretch is someone from "a place where people don't die" like Albretch from the heavens. Also Arthur is like the leader of the hex the ones that help the tenno the most (and Albretch).

Not that wild to be fair.

Like someone from someone else that is all knowing

And has the cure to all things?

[lofty rune]

oh i missed the 1999 text above that guy i thought it was just the boys being special

[pine orchid]

idk I need to check, I was just sure that's not orokin orokin text since orokin text are longer and swoopier?

[stray herald]

Except dementia/alzheimer’s

[proper barn]

That give people power? I get it.

[proper barn]

I do wonder how he Knows Loid.

[proper barn]

Also who is this woman

[stray herald]

Arent they positioned and poised like tarot card characters?

[pine orchid]

idk man! it's just in a group of 4 together with Arthur and Loid in Lyon's art

[pine orchid]

I got that vibe too 🤔

[lofty rune]

the text above the guy here says “reflection”

[pine orchid]

reflection-- WALLY?!

[proper barn]

Well a lot of art is in this like portrait style to be fair it feels more like hoe people have like Saint Maria Little pictures and stuff.

[pine orchid]

(as in reflection of Albrecht lmao, I'm talking about wallbrecht)

[lofty rune]

honestly i’m just assuming they’re meant as little easter eggs since they’re not the most noticeable ingame, though i checked the trailer and they are there on lyon’s skirt

[pine orchid]

I think it's likely, with both loid and arthur being there
is albrecht also liger design?

yknow I'd actually be pretty down for wf themed tarot cards

but also, maybe the 'woman' is meant to represent Drifter? hence why their face is obscured
I just thought because Drifter's default outfit is like lots of wrapping cloths kinda deal

[stray herald]

He gotta wear smth when he got outside of duviri

[lofty rune]

i don’t think so! there’s no concept art of him on their artstation, anyways

[eager dragon]

I need a warframe themed chess game. In game, obviously.

Make it a substitute for chess.com

[pale cedar]

Komi

[eager dragon]

That's nowhere near the same, though.

[pale cedar]

Still a substitute

[eager dragon]

I want like, different movesets and stuff

I would even be happy if it's as different as Chinese chess, as long as the core idea remains

If anything Komi is closer to checkers, although it's still rather different (and simpler).

[next scroll]

i wonder what the importance of adis is in the sentient heirarchy, he seems like a pretty big deal. You can hear the love and adoration when the sentients call him "truth bloom"

[pine orchid]

sentient jesus-

<@&778745217037238293>

[modern steppe]

He definitely has a high place in the heirarchy, considering Archimedean Yatzam or whatever his name is scolded Adis for cheating, and how it’s important to show that he learned in front of the Seven, before being interrupted by the alert

The very fact that an Archimedean, a Sentient Archimedean, is scolding Adis for cheating, and mentioning that he would have an audience with the Seven, suggests a very important role for Adis

[next scroll]

oh yeah, he has to present himself to the 7. Maybe he is a prince of the sentients because the sentients do refer to him as a sort of youngin' (even tho they should all be the same-ish age since they cant reproduce post tau.)

[modern steppe]

Wdym can’t reproduce post tau

They didn’t do void travel for the first travel to Tau

That was for the second trip, and even if this was during the War, these are probably still Sentients who stayed in Tau

Outside of that, one thing I’ve heard that I like is that both the Operator and Adis are sort of envoys for both factions

[eager dragon]

Personally I think Adis is important because he has Operator-esq abilities, atleast in terms of transference - mainly based on him answering questions about the Tenno schools and the Operator refering to him as "like me".

[next scroll]

ah by post tau i meant from their return from tau to the origin system

[modern steppe]

They could very well be just the Sentients that stayed behind

[eager dragon]

Yeah, not every sentient went to war, most of them aren't actually evolved for combat if I'm understanding right.

[next scroll]

that could be yeah, i felt it was generally implied all sentients are infertile given it is said any loss of their numbers is permanent.

[modern steppe]

That’s only relevant for the Sentients in the Origin System

That group is still a a minor part of the entire Sentient population

[unique talon]

One doubt that I always have in mind is

Are we the Tenno and Warframes

That powerful as shown in gameplay?

And how strong were the prime versions compared to the regular ones?

[unique talon]

That would make sense for scientists sentients

[eager dragon]

Pretty sure in lore we are considerably more powerfull than in game. E.g. Atlas punching the asteroid or saryn cleansing the earth from the Infested.

[modern steppe]

we're not

Atlas didn't one punch an asteroid like Saitama would, he placed Rumblers on the asteroid to create a fault line which weakened the structure of the asteroid so he could destroy it

and Saryn didn't cleanse the earth, nothing suggests that

[unique talon]

There still technocyte in there..

So..

[tulip axle]

So, taking into account all the new lore stuff
The Unum, quills and whatnot, is that STILL an open, left as is plot, right? DE Never expanded on the whole sentient tower that feeds the ostrons flesh (tower which has kuva blood btw) and stops time, plus quills just have this mystery like plan 'cause they follow the unum and can foresee things to a certain degree through what unum says should be acted upon?

I'm guessing this should all tie back to it (the unum at least) at some point, more so seeing there's at least a lot of sentient and eidolon lore in how Gara (died) and Revenant (appeared)

[lean garden]

What the unum is is currently unanswered

may be relevant since shes the only ally we have that can view potential timelines

[tulip axle]

Yeah, can't help but think there's something there, like the unum was meant for much more but ended up getting shelved, it's also an Orokin tower in its original design and seemed like sentients were pretty adamant on destroying it with Gara staying to defend it and all afaik, but I guess it will be an open plot as others for a good while then

[lean garden]

shelved? probably not, I just think her role to play is not just yet

[tulip axle]

oh I meant shelved for later use, but agreed there, there's still many plot lines to unravel, just by what they opened up in the new war and mitw there should be a lot more to unravel before we get to the tower I guess

[hexed oxide]

can the holdfasts leave the zariman ?

[tall echo]

Unknown

[woven coyote]

Maybe if the place has suficient void exposure?

Kinda like the requirements of drifter and operator appearing at the same time

Could also be they are tied to some sort of comunal memory of the zariman

Can only make wild guesses at it

[indigo glen]

I want 1999 gang and drifters to go to tau along with operator

[strange turtle]

I think the Holdfasts probably could, but they don’t exactly get the chance or a reason to in their current circumstances

[strange turtle]

Can’t and won’t happen

Unfortunately

Old Peace and Tau are meant to and should focus on the Operator, and besides that the rest of the Protos properly to the present deserves it’s own at least semi-dedicated thing too

[hexed oxide]

me and eleanor helldiving into tau to fight orokin separatists anyway

unless they disable proto skins

[misty salmon]

How quickly this Demon forgets. The infestation hivemind is definitely aware of things in different temporal branches, and implied to exist outside of time, allowing it to provide knowledge of any potential timeline where the infestation hasn't been entirely eradicated. Finding a reliable and coherent hivemind node to talk to is, honestly not much worse than trying to decipher the oddness of the Unum and Quills.

[silk atlas]

Which they definitely won't.

[lean garden]

How quickly this demon can count the number of times the unum has tried to kill us on 0 fingers

[tall echo]

For old peace, probably will

[hexed oxide]

doesn't onkko also see different timelines ? or is that bc of the unum ?

[tall echo]

Unum

[misty salmon]

yeah, the infestation is a disorganized mess, and has major personal (brain) space issues, but there are definitely allies there as well as enemies.

[normal mountain]

Unum

[silk atlas]

The quest is gonna lock your loadout most likely so no need to even consider that, yeah

[tall echo]

Likely gonna be content after quest

[silk atlas]

Old Peace, quest, locks your gear so no skins period. Tau is gonna be the other missions and junk that Old Peace teased, so then you can use skins and whatnot there. That's how I see it

[peak ether]

Old peace is basically gonna be a prelude to tau right?

I wonder how long the quest will be

[brazen seal]

I hope as long as the new war to fill in the gaps of the old war

[eager dragon]

It probably will be closer to the Hex, but damn a New War length quest would be nice.

[winged flume]

Query; the large Sentient that is scanning the surroundings in The Old Peace trailer gameplay, is that what the Teralyst used to be before Gara destroyed it?

[eager dragon]

The Hunhulus? I don't think so. We don't know for sure, but it's probably not.

[winged flume]

Ah, alright. I'm doing catch-up from not watching TennoCon live on Twitch (nor being wealthy enough to go in person) as I was stuck doing Service member things. Tauron Academy and Rebecca alluded if not curtain pulled Caliban to us. Rad.

[distant ivy]

where did dr entrati get the infestation

[humble sierra]

Considering the demo/intro alone was 20+ minutes, hopefully a bit

[humble sierra]

He got the Helminth strain from Ballas' archives, essentially

[iron tiger]

What is tau damage in the lore do we know? What are its effects?

[humble sierra]

Entrati isn't responsible for the Techrot outbreak (but he may have made it worse)

[distant ivy]

but he's responsible for the protoframes, how much of it did he control? was the decided frame random or did he decide who gets which frame ?

[humble sierra]

Latter

[winged flume]

Ahahahaha, DE put a Wilhelm Scream in there absolutely

[humble sierra]

The Helminth strain was quite controllable in terms of abilities

It's why Arthur, Excalibur, ExcalPrime, and Umbra are almost identical

[steel compass]

As far as we know the planet was already doomed from our history.

[humble sierra]

In gameplay, it makes the victim more susceptible to other status/ elemental attacks,in lore it (no source, just guessing) could adapt to the target and make them weaker?

[sly pagoda]

The way it said “Excalibur Strain” for Aurthur. Yeah they are custom crafted infection soup.

[humble sierra]

Entrati presumably played to their strengths too

Giving Quincy a sniper, for example

[distant ivy]

he knew them personally enough to know or did a background check?

[iron tiger]

Woah that lore theory is actually pretty creative, reverse adaptation

[steel compass]

I think the helminth just adapts to whatever they bond with.

But that's just my head canon

[sly pagoda]

But entrati must have five finger discounted Temple strain since Ballas never wanted to deploy it.

[iron tiger]

They need to buff sentients tho they’re too weak to be scary

Buff tau damage rn

[steel compass]

Afaik flare was struck with techrot and didn't recieve the vaccine

Or i'm i tripping?

[normal mountain]

I bet he did that with all of them
According to something Kaya says, he also had some notes on Protea
Which is hilarious in itself

[humble sierra]

Gara Prime outright confirms the Orokin/Ballas had so much control, they could give her glass powers because of a joke

[humble sierra]

I think Entrati did give them Helminth too

[lean garden]

think? he's a warframe now, entrati did give him helminth

[steel compass]

Maybe he just chose for them at a superficial level.

Arthur looking like a leader, Eleanor being his sister (excal looks like nyx), Quincy a sniper, Amir (Adhd on crack), Lettie a medic and Aoi a Mechanic

Maybe he just picked the ones that might have more with their personality and quirks, but that's just thinking outloud tbh

No sources

[steel compass]

Don't quote me on this but in some kim texts they says they got struck by a techrot one day and lizzie showed up some time later with their transformation

Let me see if i can find them

[lean garden]

some time later... after Albrecht turned flare into the pre-temple protoframe

[steel compass]

Nvm i'm tripping

He got the vaccine

[humble sierra]

After they (Flare uses they/them) got infested, they created Lizzie by shredding on their guitar so much their fingers bled

[steel compass]

Let me guess.

Flare: psh you know how the story goes. magical mystery cure promises me that i'll become a performers the likes of which the world has never seen?

[steel compass]

Oh my bad sorry

[humble sierra]

Nw

Only offensive if you do it on purpose

[steel compass]

I deadass don't do that on purpose, it's just that my fingers go faster than my brain

I'm really sorry

[steel compass]

So their guitar is just their blood fused with the guitar itself?

[humble sierra]

Yep, with a dose of Helminth and feelings

[steel compass]

Like a new limb or just a blood soaked guitar?

Is lizzie made of flesh?

[humble sierra]

Parts of her

[steel compass]

Fair tbh

Speaking of protos btw.

It's confirmed the infestation is going to take over eventually right?

Kaya got her portal working to exit 1999 and go to our time/system w/e, can't we just stabilize them?

[glacial bough]

There's not a process to stabilize them

And if there was, the only one who would have any know-how is Albrecht

[timid crescent]

so Old Peace is a flashback to Tau, and 2026 we actually goto Tau?

[glacial bough]

Looks like

[timid crescent]

ah

also how the hell is Albrect going to Tau? I get in 1999 the nuke provided the energy for the traavel, but how does he do it

[timid crescent]

Aren't the protos stuck in a timeloop for 1999, and can't leave cuz they're stabilizing that reality from the murmur?

[steel compass]

i mean, she can leave and return at will it seems

what stops the others?

[steel compass]

yeah... we killed ballas

so Albrecht is the only one that knows those things now

[stiff fable]

For what it's worth, the protoframes in the Origin System is canon, you're using transference to bring them with you

[humble sierra]

He has some sort of teleportation powers too

[stiff fable]

Also, maybe Albrecht shot a rocket at Tau during the Old War, and is just teleporting to it in the future

[steel compass]

i'd guess more void bs

[snow vault]

I really don't wanna be critical of stuff that has yet to come, but the relationship between Adis and the Operator, at least at the moment; feels Really Dry and not at all like a relationship between friends.

It's more like a "we're incompatible personalities but we're stuck together." kind of Sibling relationship.

Like there was a moment where you say;

Let's go, "truth bloom!"
And Adis just responds
Adis.
...Where's the back and fourth?
Where's the Friendly retort or anything of substance?

And on the Inverse too, when the cephalon calls Adis a "Void Lugger", pretty sure if my Friend was called what I can only imagine is a Slur for Sentients, I wouldn't just stay silent about it.

It just doesn't have anything of substance that says "we're friends".

anyway I've said my thing so now I shall disappear.

[steel compass]

I feel like the moment they called Adis "truth bloom" was more of a jokingly kind of way

and Adis was mad that they called him that, but not knowing everything about that

like when a friend does something dumb and you call them by a nick name referencing that

[snow vault]

Yeah, that's the friendly bit, when Adis responds drly with just "Adis." as a correction, That's the bit that doesn't feel like friends.

[stiff fable]

It's like if your friend has a really dumb Steam nickname

[glacial bough]

That's absolutely a friend response

Adis has likely heard that joke a hundred times, and it still isn't that funny

[stiff fable]

Like "Excelsior Alphaomega" to use a completely normal and random example

[winged flume]

I'm getting moderately excited for the new old peace.

[steel compass]

... me btw, my history teacher and my classmates used to call me by my old steam nickname they found randomly

[sly pagoda]

Truth Bloom is their in game name. 😉

[stiff fable]

But like, the response from Adis is when it's not even a funny joke anymore to call them that

[steel compass]

that's fair

[snow vault]

there's no reciprocation, adis could Absolutely call us a "void devil" as a reciprocated, slightly unwanted nickname.

[steel compass]

It's like when you don't like your mother/father and someone calls you "mother/father's son"

[stiff fable]

Yes but Adis is the uptight proper friend

He doesn't do that kind of joke

[winged flume]

Adis my sweet lad, I want to protect him so much.

[sly pagoda]

Adis did not play Xbox Live though because it’s not xXxTruth BloomxXx. 😉

[stiff fable]

Shame about what you're going to have done to him

[winged flume]

Unfortunately, I wonder if this is what makes the Stalker hate us.

[steel compass]

Imagine Adis is just Hunhow (kidding)

[stiff fable]

Stalker hates us for killing the Orokin

[winged flume]

It seems, deeper than that.

[steel compass]

pseudo hates us

like he forgot a lot about his past

[stiff fable]

AND the Orokin mind controlled him, in addition to him forgetting about Jade...

[normal mountain]

To be fair, so did we

[glacial bough]

It's not. It's killing the Orokin and (to him) condemning himself and Jade

[steel compass]

He probably doesn't even remember being turned into a warframe, just assumes something happened and kept defending the orokin

[stiff fable]

Yup

He actually thinks for a bit he might have/be an Operator

[steel compass]

Like bro if he had the full story like we do.

He would've killed ballas before we've even met umbra

[stiff fable]

Hunhow gives him mad shit for it during Second Dream

[distant ivy]

So flare was hit with techrot or was directly injected with the strain? which is it

[sly pagoda]

Interesting thing is we never know if he ever had an operator.

We know Jade did.

[stiff fable]

Contracted techrot naturally

[steel compass]

but then discovering his memories with jade.

We haven't seen anything like that besides with umbra

[normal mountain]

Apostasy Prologue, guarantee it

[stiff fable]

After Flare was dying of techrot, Entrati showed up with Temple's shot

[distant ivy]

ooh so its both

[stiff fable]

Basically all of the protos are in the same boat

I still love that Flare is simultaneously: the inspiration for Temple, the Temple protoframe, AND the original Temple Warframe

[distant ivy]

damn

[unique talon]

Is Gauss prime faster than sonic?

[stiff fable]

No

[distant ivy]

titania is faster than sonic

[glacial bough]

...No

[stiff fable]

Gauss Prime isn't faster than Volt

[unique talon]

How so?

[sly pagoda]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Jade
Jade was eventually given an Operator, and sent on an assignment to Mars. Horrified at what the Orokin did to the child, Jade lulled her Operator to sleep and fought of her own free will to spare the child, believing that the Orokin's reckoning would one day come.

The interesting thing here is that taking away pain can go both ways it seems.

[normal mountain]

No
Razorwing Blitz won't even get her close

[stiff fable]

Straight up, Volt is faster than Gauss

[distant ivy]

then who is the fastest

[stiff fable]

It's Titania

[sly pagoda]

From what i can grasp in game, Titania with 4 stacks of Blitz, Titania is the fastest frame.

[stiff fable]

Because of Blink

[distant ivy]

titania is unmatched

[unique talon]

What about nova?

[restive river]

Kullervo:

[stiff fable]

Can't be faster than teleport spam

[unique talon]

She can literally open portals like Dr strange

[stiff fable]

Kullervo and Nova have a longer cast time

[restive river]

Ash?

Ig that’s only to enemies tho

[stiff fable]

So in a race Titania wins

[restive river]

Lore wise it seems Nova’s portals don’t have any limit to their range so

[normal mountain]

Maybe
As long as he doesn't Teleport into an enemy
The finisher cuts valuable time

[restive river]

In a race she wins if the distance is great enough

[sly pagoda]

Titania is faster than Sonic because a hedgehog ain’t immune to heat and viral 😉

[restive river]

[glacial bough]

There is something of a range limit. She has to chain portals to travel across a ship in her Leverian

[restive river]

Kaya makes a portal to a comet for Flare

[distant ivy]

garuda leverian when

[stiff fable]

You know, I have to say

[humble sierra]

Well right now there's a portal that exists between time and space that will have an exploding roomba on it

[stiff fable]

The best part about Tennocon was the Oberon rework announcement

[distant ivy]

and

[glacial bough]

Doesn't Flare just say they had Kaya's help? Unless she says on specifics

[stiff fable]

Someone get that woman some Shabiri Grapes

[sly pagoda]

Didnt the Tenno accidentally blind Marg?

[glacial bough]

Man that frame is just gonna keep circulating

[stiff fable]

Yes

I still think it was Rell specifically

[normal mountain]

Rell did it

[unique talon]

Garuda? What about hydroid?

[sly pagoda]

She just needs the blindfold like a WoW demon hunter.

[restive river]

I don’t believe specifics are said
Also *they not he

It def helps Kaya is very smart but she can’t exactly chain portals to a comet cause. She’d be stuck out there

[distant ivy]

its such a good random frame to throw in ngl i love this horror game

[sly pagoda]

And now I want a warglaives tonfa. :/

[restive river]

Give her the umbra blindfold

[unique talon]

Remember that the protoframes are a weaker version of the regular ones

[restive river]

Where is that said?

If true that makes what Kaya does even more impressive

[normal mountain]

No
They just need to learn their powers

[lean garden]

in the ama

[restive river]

Ah thank you :)

[distant ivy]

maybe she's the exception i can see that being true

[unique talon]

They're still regular humans that need to eat and sleep, warframes don't need any of that

[lean garden]

rebb basically describes them as the freshest of registered losers

[upbeat fox]

The Sentients originally don't like us, and they were the ones doing weird stuff to Margulis right?

But in the upcoming update, the Sentients are now going to help us?

[lean garden]

no mods

[restive river]

Eh she’s more so the smartest

[distant ivy]

thats what i meant

[restive river]

Warframes do need to be healed with damage but yeah

[glacial bough]

I can see it being done with her help, but I don't see Kaya getting them to a comet in one portal

[lean garden]

Sentients fought the empire, but obviously the Old Peace happened, and even more obviously it doesnt last

[sly pagoda]

Which devstream was that AmA?

[unique talon]

Talking about regeneration, what happens if a warframe loses a limb or head? Does it regenerate like umbra's face?

[restive river]

As far as I know she can’t chain portals from one location though

[restive river]

Helminth heals em

Frames can die though

[normal mountain]

I don't see any other way to do it
She's not full warframe, so she can't survive in space
So she can't chain the portals

[restive river]

^^^

[unique talon]

None of them can, they can either die if exposed to radiation for too long

Or in AOI bad ending case..

[restive river]

Kaya’s smart enough she can def figure it out in one portal

[normal mountain]

So, Kaya must have reached the comet in one portal

[unique talon]

How can a warframe die?

Or their tenno that dies?

[normal mountain]

Either

But Mirage and Limbo managed it

So did Jade

[unique talon]

But is just an empty infested armor

[lean garden]

eh, we dont know the state of limbos tenno

[normal mountain]

Still a living thing
Still capable of death

[lean garden]

nor mirage for that matter, since thats pre-tsd and lotus was keeping us secret

[unique talon]

Limbo might still be trapped in the void

[lean garden]

also jades tenno didnt die lol

[normal mountain]

Or the existence of it
Thank you, Drusus

[unique talon]

Have you forgotten what Lizzie said? Infestation cannot die easily, they are everywhere

[normal mountain]

True
We don't even know if Jade's Tenno was still "operating" her

[lean garden]

we know the kid wussant

but we also know the kid aint gone the way of the dodo

[unique talon]

She did not have a Tenno, since she was stalker's wife

Turned into a warframe

[normal mountain]

Pretty sure that's about the Infestation itself
Individual Infested can definitely be killed

[lean garden]

she very much did have a tenno

[normal mountain]

She did, actually
Jade Memory Feathers

[lean garden]

who she promptly put to sleep and took over

[unique talon]

Still confused, I thought it was stalker's wife herself

[normal mountain]

You know, there was that one kid in one of the New War flashbacks who wanted their parents
Wonder if they ended up as Jade's Operator

[humble sierra]

Warframes without operators are raging creatures. When we're out of them, they're hollow, but it's NOT the Helminth that's responsible for it

[normal mountain]

She is
But she also had an Operator

[normal mountain]

Some exceptions to that, but basically

[unique talon]

So two persons controlling one warframe you mean?

[lean garden]

huh?

one of those persons is the warframe

[humble sierra]

The Warframes aren't a suit of armor, they're people that have been warped by the Helminth

Stalker's wife IS Jade

[dapper nova]

look up jade's memory feather 5

[next scroll]

Now that I look at it does it not kinda look like old war era grineer have oxium armor?

[brazen seal]

quick question
was margulis known as "the greatest scholar of genetics" ?

[glacial bough]

No

[humble sierra]

Yeah it's more like a "greatest woman I knew" thing

[stiff fable]

no

Margulis was a therapist

[strange turtle]

These are unrelated situations

Well

Not unrelated, but it’s not what you’re thinking

[brazen seal]

That Margulis was executed right before peritol's trial ?
Yep, doesn't seem like it

[strange turtle]

This is just the process of them going through the options for the Tau project

[brazen seal]

I just always thought that the zariman came before the sentients went to Tau
But it seems that this isn't right

[peak ether]

I doubt it because Stalker has a bunch of warframe heads in his lair as hunting trophies

[silk atlas]

Unassisted they'd just die, yeah

[sly pagoda]

We do not know how much a frame can take damage wise before its beyond repair. Like an arm can probably be grown back.

I mean given how dark the lore can go though. I suspect when one was near death the Tenno just exited, waking back up in their link chair.

The frame just a piece of equipment

[rough rose]

it would be pretty sick if this quest set up Aedis to be the next main villain. We see how our action make her go to the sentients side here

and we fight it in tau in 2026

[timid crescent]

Jade herself IS a warframe. She had a Tenno yes, and the child shared the frame with her, but was traumatized, so Jade lulled the Tenno to sleep and fought on their behalf

[humble sierra]

Yeah it seems like that's the plan. Adis probably won't be on the same level as the Man in the Wall in terms of how long we fight him, but he's definitely going to be one of the bigger antagonists of Tau

[timid crescent]

So the Orokin sent them to Tau, they terraformed, had a war, had some peace, then the Old War?

[brazen seal]

The old war is all of it
Even the old peace in-between

[timid crescent]

I thought they said the old peace took place before the old war

[brazen seal]

Impossible
Before the old war the tenno didn't control warframes

The old peace is clearly between after the tenno start to using warframes and before the naga drums

[misty salmon]

Old Peace feels like after the Old War (because warframes exist) but before the Tenno betrayal (which I thought was the end of the old war, but may have been something else)

[brazen seal]

More like before the moon attack that we seen on the prologue of the new war

[timid crescent]

Oh I hasn’t considered that

I wonder what went wrong then lol

[brazen seal]

Afaik the end of the old war was after the collapse when the Lotus phased the moon into the void so the tenno would be out of reach to the sentients

[proper barn]

Came back?

[proper barn]

I Mean also them killing all the orokin.

[brazen seal]

That the zariman jump came first than the sentients going to tau

[proper barn]

I mean yes. Well failed Jump. We don't know

When it reappeared though.

[brazen seal]

On the crewman imprint here surely says that many other plans to reach Tau have failed
But we can't say if one of them was the zariman

[proper barn]

It probably is. Why mention it?

[brazen seal]

Wdym ?
The imprint talks abt peritol's trial
Which the 7 are deciding if they are going to sent sentients to Tau or not
Which ballas manipulates them to do so

[proper barn]

@brazen seal also I still think you're thinking about incorrectly. When the Zariman jumps it fails mid jump in the Void. We don't know when it re-appears in the origin system.

[brazen seal]

True

[proper barn]

Cuz the whole point of Wally in the Zariman and his deal is getting them out of the Void.

[restive river]

Zariman comes first cause if the sentients went first then the Zariman wouldn’t even need to exist or use the reliquary drive

[proper barn]

Probably

Yes.

[restive river]

Sentients get to tau
They make the rail

[misty salmon]

Zariman disappeared for "days" doing a test/preliminary jump from saturn to "the outer gates" according to the Ember Prime codex recording.

[restive river]

The sabotage of the rail doesn’t happen till near the end, likely after or possibly during the new peace

[digital echo]

pretty sure there was dialogue i think during one of the past events that the Zariman emerged some time "several years later", which is vague but gives us an idea of how long them kids were trapped in the void

[brazen seal]

Someone posted a screenshot of a interview that someone says that the orokin got impatient with the sentients and tried another way

[proper barn]

Ehhhh

I wanna wait and see.

[restive river]

Source?

Cause that’s new info if true

[proper barn]

It wouldn't be that odd but I wanna see if so.

[brazen seal]

lemme find it sec

[restive river]

Couldn’t have been days actually since by the time it came back the old war had begun and the frames had been tried and failed

[misty salmon]

nah, the Tenno got stuck on ice for a while after the Zariman. The Orokin couldn't decide what to do with them.

[restive river]

Can you source that exactly :?

[proper barn]

Okay maybe this happened and then the main jump?

[brazen seal]

#spoiler-chat message
#spoiler-chat message
the screenshot and the link that the screeshot were taken from

[misty salmon]

Ember Prime codex explicitly says "days", Rhino Prime codex mentions "this is where they keep them. The ones from the zariman"

[proper barn]

This might be true. Kullevro says he sees the turn of the Tenno but we don't know if that Means the Ship came back or if they where just implemented.

[digital echo]

thats definitely in reference to the insurrection

[proper barn]

No?

No it's not.

[misty salmon]

ember prime codex is quite clear that this is the disaster, the file got reopened days later and the ship was intact, but abandoned, except for the children.

[proper barn]

Oh it says she opened "the case" and then closed it and then opened it days later. Would we assume this would be right after the accident?

[misty salmon]

seems reasonable, also seems reasonable that the Orokin were in the process of covering things up and redacting that whole bit of history when the interview happened. Hence the whole "there were no children on board, that would violate protocol" bs

[restive river]

Factions within the Orokin
That does work timeline wise ig though since the sentients would be gone for so long

[proper barn]

@misty salmon WAIT I realize what this means now. It was several days for them to actually realize it wasn't space debris and like it says in the log "full environmental intact".

[proper barn]

Or this.

Either is possible.

[silk escarp]

I got a theory about the old peace. The zeramin got lost in its jump but the tenno made it out. The jump was originally to go to tau. With eternalism in mind, where all outcomes occur simultaneously, I think the lotus is showing the operator a different timeline where the orokin and the sentients were able to negotiate a peaceful end to the war, one where ballas doesn't go traiter. One where the zeramin made the jump successfully.

[brazen seal]

No different timeline

It's explicit said everywhere
It's our memory

[silk escarp]

And loids comment on polluted histories is a throwaway line?

[proper barn]

If see one more person

Say polluted histories to me

This is what the Site says.

[sly pagoda]

Loid probably does not know that Lotus walled off memories of the old war.

Kinda makes sense shes plugged into the Tenno for that scene. She’s dropping those walls.

[proper barn]

It took teshin breaking into out mind palace

To break some walls about the Zariman incident.

[silk escarp]

So the operator eventually made it to tau, got it

[sly pagoda]

My assumption is the old peace was a lul or even a long ceasefire. And then one side or the other ignited it again.

[silk escarp]

probably ballas' machinations in the background

[sly pagoda]

Or we will find out sentients have multiple factions too.

[misty salmon]

I don't think it's a throwaway line, but I think it has a lot to do with the ways in which everybody is telling their own version of history. The Orokin delete or redact anything and anyone that doesn't fit their narrative. The Sentients have several of their own versions. Lotus has multiple versions of her own history depending on how much of her programming she's working with. Can't really blame Loid for being sceptical of anybody's claim to be providing a factual accounting.

[humble sierra]

"Polluted histories" could just mean "messy stories"

Or yeah, Shiraxis' interpretation makes a lot of sense too

[sly pagoda]

Either way we are about to have more space trauma to discover.

I feel for the hex if the kid could spill all their space trauma for them. Arthur would need a lot of beers.

[brazen seal]

relives the zariman experience

[sly pagoda]

Considering we saw trenches in the gameplay. We had kids in trench warfare

[drifting narwhal]

Did yall see the small bit of blind margulis in the tennocon demo?

[misty salmon]

DE Writers: "Does this character need a therapy team? No? Rewrite."

[silk escarp]

XDD

[brazen seal]

"begin again"

[sly pagoda]

Tenno, we make the therapist need therapy.

[misty salmon]

Tenno: You don't understand... we are the therapist.

[proper barn]

This is still funny to me.

Drifter gets to go to 1999 and have a partner and meet David bowie

Operator is gonna have to re-live their wartime trauma

[lilac aspen]

“Oh boy I get to befriend/Rizz two new people!”

“Oh boy I get to relive my past sins!”

[strange turtle]

Given that he’s there for it in the first place and we’re doing it in his house I’d imagine we’d have told him beforehand

[proper barn]

3

[sly pagoda]

Trauma jokes aside, at least they do depict that this crap messes people up. And not that all war is just Muscles McFrag shootin and winning with no trauma.

[proper barn]

We just know 2 of them.

[proper barn]

Oh yeah. We fight Space Capitalists, Royalty, and a expansionist force.

[lilac aspen]

Imagine the Operator gets to visit 1999 temporarily and just sees Drifter causally eating pizza.

“You, Void-Lugger, You’re just partying!?”

[proper barn]

"I helped them with their trauma and I've minded love what have you done?"

[sick nebula]

Therapists need therapists.

That's how it works in reality, at least.

[humble sierra]

ngl I've seen this image so many times it's gotten funny

[strange turtle]

Actually he may very well have already known from Pom-2, considering this part of the Operator Report and all the other stuff we can’t access

The Tenno has recovered much of their lost training. Suitability to fulfil the role of CHOSEN OPERATOR has exponentially increased.

[sly pagoda]

Admittedly they are also maintaining a timeloop that is likely keep the rot contained to Hollvania

[humble sierra]

"Live Margulis Reaction" or something

[drifting narwhal]

That must have hurt

[strange turtle]

I didn’t see it so whenever people talk about what happened I can’t help but thinking of that old game with the maze and the jumpscare at the end

https://tenor.com/view/scream-level3-gif-13299332

Ok not a maze ig but still

[sage moat]

She's mogging

[sick nebula]

Where they're going, they don't need eyes:

'And that is when you violated procedure?'

Kaleen bowed her head, a tear welling in her sightless eye. 'They were children. They were afraid. They needed comfort.'

'So you broke quarantine and this happened to you.'

There was silence as Kaleen touched her face, 'So what have you done with them?'

The old woman gestured for the officer to take Kaleen away. The meeting was over. When Kaleen reached the door she twisted out of his grip and shot back, 'Why would you do that? Why did you put children on a military ship?'

'We didn't. That would violate procedure.'

There's something odd here, though:

Our Zariman didn't even have "real" weapons until the Incarnons formed.

But the investigator thought it was a military ship?

[silk atlas]

Yeah, it's a cover-up

[misty salmon]

I think that's part of the orokin redacting stuff. Ooops, we killed a bunch of civilians... let's call it a millitary experiment so we don't have to disclose that.

[lilac aspen]

Also perfect to try to further dehumanize the zariman children by adding that mystery

“We didn’t put children on a military ship.”

Makes it sound as if the children aren’t even people, but something that came out of nowhere during their experiments.

[sick nebula]

Kaleen also says "It was completely intact, full environmental, as if it had never left." which is nothing like what we observe on the Zariman now

[proper barn]

They mean the ship itself is fully intact.

And that you can breath air in it. @sick nebula

[lilac aspen]

I love VOID polluted air, smells like horrors beyond comprehension

And dead people
….
Why is someone knocking on a wall?

[proper barn]

Actually it's not knocking on a wall it's a Song

That makes people go crazy even thrax hears it.

Anyone that invades hears it current it is cuz the Void drive is on though.

[lilac aspen]

Thrax questioning what the Drifter is made of to survive the Zariman before Duviri was created

[proper barn]

Drifter/operator

"What's that song? Oh what terrible Cralde you where rocked in"

[lilac aspen]

Thrax saying he was like the Drifter’s father and I’m over here like

“Boy you better be glad I don’t have a ‘strangle’ option over your head right now.”

[proper barn]

Back to this. Current Zariman literally is this. There's isn't everything really broken. It's just some things are turned over and there's void Build up.

[sick nebula]

You can breathe air outside of it too.

[proper barn]

No? It's space.

[sick nebula]

There are tiles in the tileset where you step outside.

[proper barn]

Ehhhh. I still want to stand by my point that the Zariman is literally pristine.

[sick nebula]

I would call it intact, but not pristine

[proper barn]

You look at like the Chrisalist and your apartment and tell me this isn't like Top tier like "good looking" ship.

Literally the only thing wrong with the ship is stuff is turned over and there's void Corruption.

You show me anything that's actually broken.

(Not the finger)

[lilac aspen]

Quest where we play clean up simulator like that game where you go around cleaning up places

Except instead its Warframes with janitor gear cleaning up the Zariman

[misty salmon]

I question the investigators definition of "as if it had never left", but I suspect that the void manifestations are a more recent development, something that has grown in the intervening time while the zarimon has been... wherever it was between the Tenno being "rescued" and the reapperance during Angels.

[sick nebula]

That makes a lot more sense than claiming that "overgrown with Void-metal" counts as "pristine"

[misty salmon]

the blood stains and the hurried baricades, are definitely old.

[proper barn]

Yes actually we know that. Cuz the Holdfasts appear after the Tenno are off the ship.

[proper barn]

It was In the Void again after the tenno where rescued.

[sick nebula]

Oh, wait, nevermind, they don't actually say "pristine"

[drifting narwhal]

The void drive is still on?

[proper barn]

Yeah that's why the angels are there

[sick nebula]

I got confused because somebody here used the term, but the Ember Prime Codex makes no such claim

[proper barn]

Trying to eat it.

The grinner turn it on.

Cuz their dumb.

[drifting narwhal]

Thanks❤️

[sick nebula]

only "as if it had never left"

which... still doesn't quite fit "almost everything inside is covered in Void-metal growths", so those are probably a more recent addition

[timid smelt]

Did anybody notice in the demo of the new update that the things that shot in the back of the operators head when they were in the pool thing with Lois those purple things were the same as the lotus

[sick nebula]

You mean the underwater tentacles?

I assumed they were part of the Lotus's body.

[sly pagoda]

The lotus was plugged into the operator.

The interesting thing to me is i never knew the operator had hardware neurolinks. But it makes sense when they are in the chair.